DaveC wrote:

Named Marshal (hates DoK)

Ooh, with that level of specificity *if true* I wonder/hope if a) there is a DoK hero to play as, and b) there are interparty relationships (at a generic faction-level, of course, to allow for additions down the line) which have a mechanical impact of level of support, assistance, or downright party abilities able to be offered between the characters... which could make for some really interesting situations!

 legionaires wrote:
Helsmith lore just dropped on WarCom. Do we think the pre-order will be announced this weekend?

Maybe this weekend or the next, is my guess.

#HashutDidNothingWrong

Oh, the glimpse of what looks to be a Fyreslayer is a welcome surprise. A long overdue wave 2 for them would be ideal, but it'll probably be another hero on foot

I guess I can ease some of my cynicism from the previous pages leaks from TGA.

Also, I'm sure there's no one-sided propaganda or any events missing important context in that Hashut Lore article! Why would Hashut lie?!

I don't think they need a wave two as such, but they do need their base troops to be redone to be more in line with the Warcry warband. Which this teaser seems to imply thankfully.

Weird, i thought what you guys are saying is OBR was dark aelf

 Overread wrote:
Also Nurgle isn't in a bad spot right now - it would be a tiny bit of a surprise to see GW go for them. At the same time though Nurgle clearly must sell well cause in 40K and AoS they generally do well wtih releases

GW loves Nurgle best - it shows in the rules.


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 nels1031 wrote:
Same poster on TGA that posted the above Ogor rumors also posted:

Festus(Monster, so fxxking huge)

Not sure I’m buying any of it, but I’m cynical of any rumor that doesn’t include pics.

I'm honestly astounded this hadn't happened yet. Festus ascended during the End Times.

The Hashut background was excellent but still would have loved it more in TOW.

yeah, after looking forward to CD in AoS for so long, I find myself strangely disappointed by whats coming, and would rather they had given me Legion of Azgorh in TOW.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
The Hashut background was excellent but still would have loved it more in TOW.

I feel the same about the beastmen. Shame they got relegated back there to suffer.

I'm afraid I missed something, are they making Hashut and Ogors for WarCry?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm afraid I missed something, are they making Hashut and Ogors for WarCry?

Ogors had the Gorgers for Warcry, will get an updated generic list, and Hashut has been confirmed as getting WarCry rules when they're released.

Lammasu just got hinted at in the latest Helsmith article on WarCom:

Stranger things still are whispered of in the shadows – transformations and mutations beyond those seen in the lower echelons, sorcerous beasts with the heads of duardin elders scheming in the shadows of Hashut’s temples.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cdfuejhk/who-are-the-helsmiths-of-hashut/

They always love to future-proof hints like that. They did it with the DoK when they hinted at future monster-girl units still unrevealed.

Heck one early book had artillery units whilst shadowbeasts are part of the lore since the very first appearance of Morathi

 legionaires wrote:
Lammasu just got hinted at in the latest Helsmith article on WarCom:

Stranger things still are whispered of in the shadows – transformations and mutations beyond those seen in the lower echelons, sorcerous beasts with the heads of duardin elders scheming in the shadows of Hashut’s temples.

Remember guys: These aren't Chaos Dwarfs. They just have the broad aesthetics, background, pantheon, and nostalgia units of Chaos Dwarfs.

It was totally worth killing Fantasy!

I mean, they've literally called them chaos dwarves. So not sure what point you're trying to make here, despite the signature sarcasm.

It's 10 years since the Death of Old World and a yearish since its rebirth - its time to bury the hate and embrace what is.

 Overread wrote:
It's 10 years since the Death of Old World and a yearish since its rebirth - its time to bury the hate and embrace what is.

Wow. It took me 10 years to buy into AoS (WarCry)?

I'm not sure what that says about me or GW.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, they've literally called them chaos dwarves.

Literally Chaos duardin, akshully...

I waited over 25+ years for this army to be released per my old signature. I really don't care what game it's for or what the game designers call it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, they've literally called them chaos dwarves. So not sure what point you're trying to make here, despite the signature sarcasm.

He's has 4chan energy, no point being made, just baiting people and being loudly aggrieved by anything, everything, and everyone. See the previous page's failed bait about women playing Ogres.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm afraid I missed something, are they making Hashut and Ogors for WarCry?

Ogors had the Gorgers for Warcry, will get an updated generic list, and Hashut has been confirmed as getting WarCry rules when they're released.

Thanks!

Little bit of a rules dump for our stunted chaos lad:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bbon9z5v/the-helsmiths-of-hashut-harness-the-power-of-caged-daemons-for-a-boost-on-the-battlefield/

*Insert Colbert Gif* Give it to me!

Lol, this reminds me of the feeling I had when I read the teaser for Skorne just prior to Hordes releasing years ago.

 legionaires wrote:
*Insert Colbert Gif* Give it to me!

Lol, this reminds me of the feeling I had when I read the teaser for Skorne just prior to Hordes releasing years ago.

If GW give me a baby elephant to kick for free candy, I will give them all the money.

Just watched the latest Ninjon video and he has the Helsmiths box.

If it's up for pre-order this month, then infulencers would have had it at least a month ago. Got to give them time to build and paint and such.

 legionaires wrote:
Just watched the latest Ninjon video and he has the Helsmiths box.

While the influencers probably have the boxes if it's due soon Jon was given some HoH minis to paint at Nova - he mentions it in another video (WHW) so the mini he's basing in this weeks video is likely the mini he painted at Nova.

EDIT: Nevermind just checked WHW and he confirmed it's from the box he was sent and that he took to Nova to paint and show off as GW didn't have any HoH at Nova.

I guess I have to get to the shop this weekend for the pre-order then.

And it comes next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hdrpv0rg/sunday-preview-helsmiths-of-hashut-and-necromunda-enforcers/

Also the much delayed Deathratte and Gitz spearheads.

Bring out your dead!!!

Been looking forward to that Spearhead releasing for the soulblight.

Those are both great spearheads.

Now heres the real question - do we expect a non FOMO spearhead for Helsmiths that mirrors the contents of the launch box?

Yeah there will be. The box makes a Spearhead, so whenever the full release is, they'll be a specific spearhead box to match it.

I hope this box will be a bit cheaper since it’s essential a spearhead, army book and cards. Older boxes had more models in them.

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
I hope this box will be a bit cheaper since it’s essential a spearhead, army book and cards. Older boxes had more models in them.

It's a bit cheaper than recent army box prices at $200 (£120, €155)

The Spearheads have the current price (which is due to rise in the price rises in October)

from TGA

Nice, i'm very in for two now.

if theres an upcoming spearhead that will be identical, just without the codex and extra gubbins, I see no incentive to buy more than one box of it now.

When armies that have existing collections come out then its often not "too" hard to find people that just want the codex/battletome from a starter set when the set is newly launched.

However a brand new army, most people who want the battletome are going to get that box so the market who just want the book is going to be way smaller.


Plus most of the time when you price up the savings you basically get the book and gubbins for free so unless you want the models superfast you can just wait for the individual release and pick them up for the same cost and no hassle of having to find someone to buy the book/gubbins .

I’ll probably get the launch box, for gaks and giggles. Its something different to paint!

Another rules dump:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3kfvbkog/pour-scorn-on-the-foes-of-hashut-with-daemonsmiths-bull-centaurs-and-ashen-elders/

 Overread wrote:
Bring out your dead!!!

Been looking forward to that Spearhead releasing for the soulblight.

It will be a nice grab for people who didn’t get the launch box. Good value, especially since a chunk of it isn’t locked up in the character, as the wight king on foot is still priced reasonably. Of course, he’s so old he’s on a square base, with the instructions telling you to cut the rim off it and glue it to a 32. Sculpt still holds up well though.

A couple weekends ago I played both the old vampire SH and the new wight one in back to back games. The old one felt like it had better stats, but less fun tricks. The wight one engaged me better as a player, had a lot more fun.

£120 doesn’t offer a lot of saving; basically the cards are free

You don't know what the prices of the individual kits are yet. Plus there's the extra 20% you'll get from third parties.

Anyone up to date on GW release practices have an idea/guess when the Hobgrot kit will release?

I'm very excited for it and need to save to buy a couple boxes.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You don't know what the prices of the individual kits are yet. Plus there's the extra 20% you'll get from third parties.

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to just buying buying the spearhead and army book separately.

 Gallahad wrote:
Anyone up to date on GW release practices have an idea/guess when the Hobgrot kit will release?

I'm very excited for it and need to save to buy a couple boxes.

Usually it's anywhere up to a month after the launch box.


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zanzibarthefirst wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You don't know what the prices of the individual kits are yet. Plus there's the extra 20% you'll get from third parties.

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to just buying buying the spearhead and army book separately.

Well if all you're after is the Spearhead, you'd be better off waiting for the actual Spearhead box rather than the army box.

Even if you got the new edition box for soulblight, the new spearheads adds onto it very nicely

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You don't know what the prices of the individual kits are yet. Plus there's the extra 20% you'll get from third parties.

Yeah but individual kits also get the same 20% so its a moot point.

Also GW has started putting the limited edition battletomes into the starter sets which "technically" makes them more of a saving though honestly the limited battletomes were typically a ribbon and some gilt edging to the pages so not a massive difference over the regular book. Nice to have to be sure, but I tend to consider it just a battletome price since I'm not collecting limited edition books to store.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Anyone up to date on GW release practices have an idea/guess when the Hobgrot kit will release?

I'm very excited for it and need to save to buy a couple boxes.

Usually it's anywhere up to a month after the launch box.


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zanzibarthefirst wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You don't know what the prices of the individual kits are yet. Plus there's the extra 20% you'll get from third parties.

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to just buying buying the spearhead and army book separately.

Well if all you're after is the Spearhead, you'd be better off waiting for the actual Spearhead box rather than the army box.

From how I’m reading it this isn’t an army box it’s a spearhead box with the codex and cards bundled in. Whether there is a different spearhead getting released remains to be seen.

How they play/little bit of designers comm:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l9lrl7je/the-helsmiths-of-hashut-forged-in-fire-built-for-victory/

did we see how they generate demonic power points yet, i forget?

Yeah it's in one of the earlier articles.

Also, bigger designers commentary:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bwkmlmwq/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-the-desolate-dawn-of-these-dark-duardin/

appreciate you gideon.
sounds pretty neat.
shooty guys sound like theyll be the business for this mechanic.

Noticed a post on a certain influencer's video today...Warhammer Quest is Nurgle. Yuck.

Suddenly Cursed City is looking appealing...

SamusDrake wrote:
Noticed a post on a certain influencer's video today...Warhammer Quest is Nurgle. Yuck.

Suddenly Cursed City is looking appealing...

Yeah, that was part of the rumor dump from someone over on TGA forum on pg 100. DaveC posted about the Ogor re-work and mentioned WHQ being Nurgle themed.

Oh...my...word...a forum full of AoS fans?

Inconcievable!

Right? Everyone knows no one actually plays AoS.

Exactly! What madness is this?

Im just here to make random comparisons to ToW and complain about the AoS lore I have not bothered to read.

SamusDrake wrote:
Oh...my...word...a forum full of AoS fans?

Inconcievable!

Its even got a ToW section, where people who play/played both games interact like mostly normal people(few of us are normal, lets be honest).

SamusDrake wrote:
Exactly! What madness is this?

Wait... this is the AoS Thread?

I'm not with these guys... I just play WarCry!

I feel like John Hammond is now saying "well, the Heroquest threads have been going for a few years now..."




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 Lathe Biosas wrote:


Wait... this is the AoS Thread?

I'm not with these guys... I just play WarCry!

SEIZE HIM!!! DON'T LET HIM ESCAPE!!!

Small addition to the Ogors rumours - they are not due until the latter part of 2026.

Seems odd to throw out a teaser image for something that far in advance.

I watched a first review of the book.

Seems decent. The shooty guys are probably the standout for the army.

https://youtu.be/yqWLBohG9mM?si=IPP6rJhLnGP1-Ger

I think I have finally figured out what looks off about the Helsmiths models: They don't have mustaches with their beards. I can't unsee it now.

Some do, some don't by the looks of it.

Next designers article, chunky one too:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lu865rsb/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-the-infernal-artifice-of-the-new-miniatures/

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I think I have finally figured out what looks off about the Helsmiths models: They don't have mustaches with their beards. I can't unsee it now.

yeah theyre scary... lol, little piggy faces. i like beards and mustaches!

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I think I have finally figured out what looks off about the Helsmiths models: They don't have mustaches with their beards. I can't unsee it now.

yeah theyre scary... lol, little piggy faces. i like beards and mustaches!

I don't necessarily have a preference, I just couldn't figure out why they looked sort of "off"

Seems a bit early for reviews to be popping up.

Would be handy to know whether there is any different spearheads featured in the army book.

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
Would be handy to know whether there is any different spearheads featured in the army book.

No, just the one, just the Helforge Host that is formed from the army set.

Incidentally, put the models together last night and, I have to say, they were an absolute joy to do. Everything 'clicks' together very well, there are next to no 'fiddly' bits - infantry (including the Hero) are typically only 5 or 6 different pieces. Lightning fast to put together.

The Dominator and Tormentor have more parts, obviously, but nothing taxing. Likely looking at something around a 20 minute build for each, a little over half an hour for all the infantry.

Thumbs up on that aspect!

Okay how posable are they? So meaning can you only put them in pre-defined poses together?

 Astmeister wrote:
Okay how posable are they? So meaning can you only put them in pre-defined poses together?

Yeah, not complete awesome on that front.

The Despot is absolutely a single build.

The troops... well, they all have options (heads, shields, spears or swords), a little posability in the angle of the arms and shields because of the way they go on, though they are supposed to fit just one way.

With the big Dominator you could actually do 3, maybe 4, models without them looking too samey.

However, not massively awesome on the posability front for anything. However, the infantry are 'general' enough that you could probably have 40 or 60 of them on the table and they would look more 'regimented' rather than photocopied, if you get my meaning. And you at least won't mind building that many, you will be through them in a flash.

Not sure all that helps

Part 3, fluff and colour schemes:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3jgzdu40/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-deep-lore-and-eavy-metal-painting/

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Okay how posable are they? So meaning can you only put them in pre-defined poses together?

Yeah, not complete awesome on that front.

The Despot is absolutely a single build.

The troops... well, they all have options (heads, shields, spears or swords), a little posability in the angle of the arms and shields because of the way they go on, though they are supposed to fit just one way.

With the big Dominator you could actually do 3, maybe 4, models without them looking too samey.

However, not massively awesome on the posability front for anything. However, the infantry are 'general' enough that you could probably have 40 or 60 of them on the table and they would look more 'regimented' rather than photocopied, if you get my meaning. And you at least won't mind building that many, you will be through them in a flash.

Not sure all that helps

Thanks!

Final designers comm and a short story:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/avlkg8zv/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-forging-the-rules-of-ruination/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ylhfookl/chronicles-of-ruin-forged-in-darkness/

And it's gone on the main site. Always confuses the hell out of me when it sells out there at full price, but the discounters still have stock in.

Even with GW main site sales down, a lot of people still feel safe buying from the official place instead of "unknown 3rd parties"

Also there are a lot more discounters out there, enough that not everyone will know all of them, so you almost always have a chance to stumble on the one shop that only sold two of their three allocated units because the audience of that one skews toward a different game.

Fair, just seems odd to me to go direct and pay more as the first choice.

I imagine because of a multitude of cases where third party store allotments fell short of interest in the past, many people see third party stores as a risk even if they offer better prices. Between that and giving you an exactish time when pre.orders start, I'm sure GW's online store has plenty of appeal.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fair, just seems odd to me to go direct and pay more as the first choice.

I've had the experience of deciding to buy from a 3rd party vendor and save 10% only to wait.... and wait... and wait...

I eventually found out that they had taken more orders than their stock allowed and were not going to tell us.

Events like this ha e made me gunshy when pre-ordering new stuff.

Honestly a lot of the UK 3rd party online stores are pretty good now at having live inventory. The only times it can break down are during exceptional situations like a 40K new edition launch.

And honestly don't blame the stores then because its bonkers demand on their systems; plus again most will resolve issues like double-charging if they happen.

Buying direct from GW has always been slower than 3rd party stores for me. Only things to buy from GW therefore are FW stuff other Shops don't want to sell or the occasional direct only stuff where the 6-8% you get elsewhere amount to hardly more than 2€.

And I missed the window in the US.

Don't worry about it, they seem to have gotten into a habit of holding stock back for a second wave. That new kill team box is sitting on the UK site currently after being sold out the first time.

That Minotaur Automata reminds me of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

They dont hold back for a second wave, its excess inventory that they are holding for replacement and damages, etc. After a period, whatever is left over after claims are processed gets released for sale. A portion of it is also apparently stuff that they hold for sale at the warhammer world store and certain other key shops (battle bunkers? They still exist?). Anything excess sitting on shelves after a while gets put online so that they can blow out the unsold inventory.

It probably includes people who preordered with multiple stores as a hedge against stock shortages then cancelled all but the cheapest one that actually went through.

While it sucks for folks who didn’t get the product, its always a good sign when it sells out. Wonder how much overlap there was with folks using it for ToW/Legacy WHFB.

I was hoping that the Dominator Engine would grow on me, but its not working for me so far. I think if it was a bit less stocky, I’d like it better. I don’t hate it, but I’m having trouble picturing it move.

it doesn't look like TOW fans were anything more than an absolute minority of the buyers of the box from what I can see browsing socials (facebook, reddit, various forums). I've found very few posts (actually none at all) of anyone indicating they bought one for TOW. Not even really seeing any posts from last week about people getting ready for the preorder.

Its a bit odd, as I had seen quite a few people post that they would be using these minis for TOW when they first previewed them, but Im not seeing the follow through at the moment.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Its a bit odd, as I had seen quite a few people post that they would be using these minis for TOW when they first previewed them, but Im not seeing the follow through at the moment.

They don't necessarily want all the stuff in this box (useless cards and army book, big bull golem having no TOW equivalent) and may just be waiting for individual unit boxes.

Just bluster. The same people yelled the same for the skaven, but I've seen barely a handful of that in over a year.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just bluster. The same people yelled the same for the skaven, but I've seen barely a handful of that in over a year.

Those people may have been put off by how bad Skaven are in Old World

I thought they were going to be played in the old editions. And if that's the case, then surely it's the same outcome for CD.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I thought they were going to be played in the old editions. And if that's the case, then surely it's the same outcome for CD.

Building a skaven army is a huge hassle, it takes dedication. I bet the ammount of people that want to buy and build a skaven army for a rank and flank game, or think it would be cool to have one, is way more people than would actually go through with the project.

Chaos dwarfs on the other hand would be a much more reasonable project for most people.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Its a bit odd, as I had seen quite a few people post that they would be using these minis for TOW when they first previewed them, but Im not seeing the follow through at the moment.

They don't necessarily want all the stuff in this box (useless cards and army book, big bull golem having no TOW equivalent) and may just be waiting for individual unit boxes.

This ^. GW made it clear that this set is just the same as the upcoming starter box, just with the added cost because of the FOMO box, LE book, and cards (even the AoS cards will be outdated by the time the individual release gets here). Anyone that wants these for CD are better off waiting for the new set in a couple of months and not paying the markup.

Its also on just gone on pre-order. Very few people are going to have their hands on the models for a couple of weeks at the earliest except for 'influencers' who are generally going to be aiming to push the models for AoS so they keep getting their GW freebies for the game. It would be weeks, possible months, before they really start showing up in numbers on old world tables.

Vorian wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just bluster. The same people yelled the same for the skaven, but I've seen barely a handful of that in over a year.

Those people may have been put off by how bad Skaven are in Old World

That was a very known known at the time that the Skaventide box was announced.

chaos0xomega wrote:
it doesn't look like TOW fans were anything more than an absolute minority of the buyers of the box from what I can see browsing socials (facebook, reddit, various forums). I've found very few posts (actually none at all) of anyone indicating they bought one for TOW. Not even really seeing any posts from last week about people getting ready for the preorder.

Its a bit odd, as I had seen quite a few people post that they would be using these minis for TOW when they first previewed them, but Im not seeing the follow through at the moment.

Theoretical: if I wanted the models for TOW, I would wait for the Spearhead box. Right now I would have to pay for a premium army book I have no interest in. The Spearhead is out in a few weeks for a lot less, without the book I do not want.

Practical: I personally do not want to buy these for TOW anyway.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Its a bit odd, as I had seen quite a few people post that they would be using these minis for TOW when they first previewed them, but Im not seeing the follow through at the moment.

They don't necessarily want all the stuff in this box (useless cards and army book, big bull golem having no TOW equivalent) and may just be waiting for individual unit boxes.

Use it as an Iron Daemon. Not only does it literally look like the name, the ID conveniently has two loadouts, one with cannon and one with smashy punchy gubbins. Plus the model will look even more badass converted with a chain harness for hauling gun carriages.

The CD Box is still available on the german warhammer website.

Remember that the Spearheads will get a price increase of about 5 Euro or so in October. So it might be an okay deal to buy the FOMO box for 124 at FLGS for ToW players.

I was personally very tempted to buy them for AoS but find the minis a bit to comicesque.

WH Day mini. He's alright, would make for a decent alternate lord

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ivmvh69w/warhammer-day-brings-a-new-commemorative-chaos-champion-and-a-space-marine-captain/

The alternate head is fantastic, the rest of the model is kind of soulless

Oh I really like that mini. Great pose, and an appropriate use of tactical rock for once.


I can easily see him making the painting competitions rounds in the coming year.

He'd also work great as a generic squad leader for AoS/OW

Absolutely gorgeous, exactly what I like about the chaos warrior aesthetic. Shame it's a limited mini unlike the marine.

The bare head is nice, but the rest is only okay. Doesn't immediately entice me to buy.

It strikes me as something that got made, didn't make the final cut for general release but somebody thought we have this, kick it out for something limited.

It's a real shame I will never be able to get that Chaos champion :(

Why? It says pre-order, so it seems like it will be akin to the ltd chaos sorcerer from a bit ago. And that was available everywhere.

Yeah, the Warhammer Days miniatures so far have been available both from GW's online store and independent stores. No extra hoops to jump through.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why? It says pre-order, so it seems like it will be akin to the ltd chaos sorcerer from a bit ago. And that was available everywhere.

I'm currently broke, and who knows how available it'll be when that changes.

I have at least three different projects in mind for that champion, so I looked up 2025 GW single character prices...

Damn.

The shoulders are a bit too big making it look too squary. Just a chaos warrior with nothing special about it.

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, the Warhammer Days miniatures so far have been available both from GW's online store and independent stores. No extra hoops to jump through.

This is great. This is really the first limited GW mini I have been interested in since the early 2000s, and having not bought an individual GW character in years I'm glad I'll be able to pick it up on the Webstore (assuming it doesn't get scalped).

It's a nice model, but Slaves to Darkness aren't exactly hurting for hero options. And as an Exalted Hero, it's not really going to be leading the whole army, is it?

I think it might be better in a ToW Warriors of Chaos army.

He is very old school and I like that.

When are warhammer day models available to buy?

Late October according to the article.

Per the article:

Warhammer Community wrote:...Warhammer Day is just around the corner – in late October.

...

This miniature will be arriving in time for Warhammer Day, and will be available while stocks last.

....

Like Urkhan, he’s available for pre-order before Warhammer Day, but he will arrive in stores on the day itself.

That probably means Warhammer Day is on the 25th of October, release is on that day, and pre-orders start on the 11th.

Unless GW has a weird understanding of what late in the month means.

I’m torn.

It’s a refreshingly simple design, which still exudes an air of menace.

But as a celebration mini? I’d expect something a bit fancier.

Maybe take off the sword hand and have him be the battle standard bearer...

I think its pretty stellar, if understated.

The multi-build Exalted Hero of Chaos that is currently available for Slaves to Darkness still beats it though, imo.

Supposedly new Battlescroll is dropping next week.

Nerfs via points adjustments to KO, Cities, DoK and I think it mentioned a few Kruleboyz units.

edit: There's a pic on TGA, but I'm workblocked.

Seems surprisingly soon after the 40k slate. I hope they leave KO's alone, i'm just starting to get a handle on them. And what have DoK done to deserve a kicking?

Warhammer Community Battlescroll article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xwmiiwgj/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-a-new-battlescroll-brings-balance-ahead-of-the-world-championships-of-warhammer

Neat, additional scrolls for Nighthaunt and Khorne.

Really enjoying Sigmar’s Toll on Warhammer+.

Episode 2 just dropped and it gave a look at how the Ruination Chamber spends their idle time while resting at a Bleak Citadel between battles.

It also integrated the 4th edition trailer into the episode, which was neat.

I really liked the Gryph-Stalker and how it repeated the cryptic words of its master, while staring down and sizing up their new visitors. The Lord-Vigilant was a cool dude too, weathered and weary but still down to scrap.

Must resist urge to assemble and attempt painting all of my SCE mini’s from the 3rd and 4th edition starter boxes!

Nice to hear it's so good. Want to see it, but not forking out for + when it's so little content otherwise. I suppose it's too much to ask that they'll stick it and Blacktalon on dvd at some point.

Blacktalon is also hanging in the air (cliffhanger) for quite some time. Annoying.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nice to hear it's so good. Want to see it, but not forking out for + when it's so little content otherwise. I suppose it's too much to ask that they'll stick it and Blacktalon on dvd at some point.

This is the thing I hate the most about the current streaming culture - bluray and dvd releases just don't happen for so many shows. Even fi they do happen they can often be super limited collectors releases more geared at collector/investor customers and thus are way overpriced.


I also dislike it cause it means shows can just vanish from the streaming services and there's no way to get them back.

Tbf the Warhammer + shows are niche within a niche.

Oh true GW is one of the few streaming services where I can give them a pass in that I don't expect them to go into large scale physical production (though a combined blu-ray per year's releases or something would be cool).


But the big streamers like Amazon, Netflix and such - they 100% could do more on the physical side.

 Overread wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nice to hear it's so good. Want to see it, but not forking out for + when it's so little content otherwise. I suppose it's too much to ask that they'll stick it and Blacktalon on dvd at some point.

This is the thing I hate the most about the current streaming culture - bluray and dvd releases just don't happen for so many shows. Even fi they do happen they can often be super limited collectors releases more geared at collector/investor customers and thus are way overpriced.


I also dislike it cause it means shows can just vanish from the streaming services and there's no way to get them back.

I'm glad I managed to catch the Willow sequel series on Disney+ before it was banished forever.

Spitewood and the next set of Underworld 4 pack warbands next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zca2thl2/sunday-preview-enter-the-spitewood-in-warhammer-underworlds/

So the Underworlds focus for the Helsmiths just dropped and this little snippet caught my eye.

I do wonder if this means the Kurnothi are gearing towards another new faction push.

They seem to be building that way, yeah.
Would be cool; the old wood elves split three ways: one each following their main gods, becoming more entwined with their domains and mutating while the last group decided that being humanoid was fine, thanks, and kept hanging around the humans and dwarfs.

YouTube rumour video saying we may be getting new Gargants and Ogors, and more details on the Nurgle Warhammer Quest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0iJCPoIijU

That bares out with the Ogor pic a couple of pages back. But i do wonder what they'll add for gargants? I do wish they'd do like..worshippers or like a cultist race that's tiny, that worships them and can run in like screens.

Vote for your favourite of the decade:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1u6vl6af/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-miniature-of-the-decade-help-choose-the-greatest-of-all-time/

It's a real hard split for me between Iridan, Ushoran and Tahlia

I chose Ushoran, Vizzik runner up.

Not even Astreia Solbright? Ever since my army got it's 12-month eviction notice, 4th edition has felt like an insult to injury more than anything to celebrate...

They do say in the article if you think any have been missed to tell them and they can add them. Astreia is baller though, I do agree.

I went with Lioness of the Parch.

Such a great manticore mini.

Voted for the Harbinger of Decay. Great model like his predecessor.

Surely the mangler squigs will win.
I guess it will be interresting to see second and third place.
Dragon Ionus would probably get a fairly high ranking.

It would be great if there was a picture of each option for those of us that don’t know every miniature by name. I’m sure there are some great miniatures I don’t remember

 Dryaktylus wrote:
Voted for the Harbinger of Decay. Great model like his predecessor.

Another great shout. That massive troll king was decent too.

I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

What was that about Nurgle Warhammer Quest? Don't make me watch youtube bottom feeders please.

Oh there's strong rumours knocking around that the new Quest is going to be Nurgle vs Cities themed. Apparently Nurgle in general is getting a massive wave this time around.

A new Quest game is exciting but Nurgle just isn't my cup of tea. Hopefully there could be Sylvaneth in the mix though...

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Yeah, Ushoran for me too, followed by Vhordrai and then in 3rd the lioness ( easily the best manticore from any line of miniatures)

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He was an age of sigmar release, hence no slaanesh head since she was locked up by the aelves.

SamusDrake wrote:
A new Quest game is exciting but Nurgle just isn't my cup of tea. Hopefully there could be Sylvaneth in the mix though...

He's not my taste either, but the Cities side has my attention. Preferably without the cockup that happened with Cursed City.

SamusDrake wrote:
A new Quest game is exciting but Nurgle just isn't my cup of tea. Hopefully there could be Sylvaneth in the mix though...

Depends on how the Nurgle forces look like. I don't like the comically look of much of the ranges (AoS and 40k) - but if they're more like the Harbinger of Decay, the Warcry guys and with stuff like diseased flagellants and plague zombies it could be good.

Nurgle often gets a lot of good love from GW with models. They aren't my cup of tea either, but Gw really does have some great designs for them.

Nurglites benefit a lot from a fitting paintjob, which is not something they're going to get from the 'Eavy Metal team. I find it's rarely the sculpt itself that makes them look comical but a paintjob aimed at clearly and unambiguously showing every detail of the model.

 Gallahad wrote:
It would be great if there was a picture of each option for those of us that don’t know every miniature by name. I’m sure there are some great miniatures I don’t remember

Same here. I went with the Archregent because I recognized the name and like the model a lot. Half of the names on the list mean nothing to me and I'm definitely not going to trawl GW's lovely webstore in search for pictures.

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

EDIT: Deleted, as inaccurate; corrected by another poster below.

Greenfield wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Archaon came out in 2014, with the End Times: Archaon book.

Wrong and wrong.

The ET: Archaon book came out in March 2015, and it did not come with a new Archaon model. The current Archaon model came out after AoS was launched.

 Darnok wrote:

Greenfield wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Archaon came out in 2014, with the End Times: Archaon book.

Wrong and wrong.

The ET: Archaon book came out in March 2015, and it did not come with a new Archaon model. The current Archaon model came out after AoS was launched.

You are correct. Just dug out the White Dwarfs. Archaon would have come out December 2015, having been announced for pre-order 28 November 2015. That'll teach me for checking my recollection on the internet. I'll correct my previous post.

I dont like the prospect of a quest game that has Nurgle and Cities matchup.

Dont mind the factions at all, but the quest games are better with a themed villain (nurgle) but the questing adventurers should be more uniqe or different models apart from the main factions.
Great opportunity to try out new concepts instead of doing a themed gang of CoS dudes (especially since CoS have been de-diversified from a hotpot of free peoles and races to become human army guys).

Ok, if they do a team of army veterans that go awol to make an unsanctiond raid in to nurgle territory to capture a reserv of chaos dwarf gold I might buy it.

The Black Adder wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Yeah, Ushoran for me too, followed by Vhordrai and then in 3rd the lioness ( easily the best manticore from any line of miniatures)

Ushoran is just such an amazing sculpt. Background is just icing on the cake.

 Fayric wrote:
I dont like the prospect of a quest game that has Nurgle and Cities matchup.

Dont mind the factions at all, but the quest games are better with a themed villain (nurgle) but the questing adventurers should be more uniqe or different models apart from the main factions.
Great opportunity to try out new concepts instead of doing a themed gang of CoS dudes (especially since CoS have been de-diversified from a hotpot of free peoles and races to become human army guys).

Ok, if they do a team of army veterans that go awol to make an unsanctiond raid in to nurgle territory to capture a reserv of chaos dwarf gold I might buy it.

Cities covers a lot of ground though, especially with all of the aelf and duardin options that feel like they should appear in a Quest game. They've not really tackled much of the non-humans who live in the Cities yet, and this seems an ideal situation to expand it out. An Aelf financier and Duardin pub-poet etc

 Jammer87 wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Yeah, Ushoran for me too, followed by Vhordrai and then in 3rd the lioness ( easily the best manticore from any line of miniatures)

Ushoran is just such an amazing sculpt. Background is just icing on the cake.

Yeah, I'd love to get one, but can't justify it until I've shifted a lot of back log. Maybe next year.

I just wish I liked the rest of the ghoul range. Ushoran has definite flair and looks like a fallen king, unfortunately the rest of the range lacks a unified aesthetic that makes them believable as knights, footmen and the court of a fallen civilization. I really wish they had more armour, trinkets and iconography that made them read as a unified whole instead of just poking bones anywhere and everywhere.

I know I'm not the only one who absolutely hates Ushoran. Like he looks cool straight on, but that's not what you get to see on the tabletop. From above he's just a great big meatball.

The Black Adder wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Yeah, Ushoran for me too, followed by Vhordrai and then in 3rd the lioness ( easily the best manticore from any line of miniatures)

Ushoran is just such an amazing sculpt. Background is just icing on the cake.

Yeah, I'd love to get one, but can't justify it until I've shifted a lot of back log. Maybe next year.

I just wish I liked the rest of the ghoul range. Ushoran has definite flair and looks like a fallen king, unfortunately the rest of the range lacks a unified aesthetic that makes them believable as knights, footmen and the court of a fallen civilization. I really wish they had more armour, trinkets and iconography that made them read as a unified whole instead of just poking bones anywhere and everywhere.

That's kind of the point. It's how they see themselves, not how everyone else sees them. The bones and gristle being their weapons and armour. Ushoran himself isn't actually insane, or at least no where near to what he presents himself as.

 cole1114 wrote:
I know I'm not the only one who absolutely hates Ushoran. Like he looks cool straight on, but that's not what you get to see on the tabletop. From above he's just a great big meatball.

Agreed. He’s not horrible from the right angle. But he’s got a lot of bad angles IMHO.

I voted for Katakros.

If only the rest of the faction matched his aesthetic...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's kind of the point. It's how they see themselves, not how everyone else sees them. The bones and gristle being their weapons and armour. Ushoran himself isn't actually insane, or at least no where near to what he presents himself as.

Ushoran's appears as though his armour is badly maintained, but you can see the trappings of what he once was. A unit like the Morbheg knights has lost too many elements that identify them as fallen knights. Its just a matter of personal opinion but I think their design language drifted too far from cannibalistic knight, whereas Ushoran is pitch perfect. If I was a crazy knight I'd wonder where my crazy squire put my armour. I'd also like to have seen some cultural design elements that echo those established by Ushoran's design.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I voted for Katakros.

If only the rest of the faction matched his aesthetic...

Agreed. The worst things is the noses.

The Black Adder wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's kind of the point. It's how they see themselves, not how everyone else sees them. The bones and gristle being their weapons and armour. Ushoran himself isn't actually insane, or at least no where near to what he presents himself as.

Ushoran's appears as though his armour is badly maintained, but you can see the trappings of what he once was. A unit like the Morbheg knights has lost too many elements that identify them as fallen knights.

They aren't fallen knights though. They're cannibal lunatics that think they are knights. The only one that was ever actually what his delusion projects is Ushoran, and that was way back in the Old World, before even the fall of Nehekhara in general.

He was like that in AoS for a while too. Before Nagash had one of his moments and stuck him in the fun house tower.

Yeah that's the fun part about the Flesheater Courts - they never were what they imagine themselves to be.

Or at least most aren't, some might well have once been nobles and knights before they were bitten and twisted with the curse

 Overread wrote:
Yeah that's the fun part about the Flesheater Courts - they never were what they imagine themselves to be.

Or at least most aren't, some might well have once been nobles and knights before they were bitten and twisted with the curse

Given that most ghouls are, well, just ghouls, and the large majority, it's not that unlikely that the knights and peers were indeed the higher-ups in the society before they became cannibals (and then that status was inherited). The curse could just have found deranged and fallen societies and just reminded them what they were once - and not created totally new ones.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's kind of the point. It's how they see themselves, not how everyone else sees them. The bones and gristle being their weapons and armour. Ushoran himself isn't actually insane, or at least no where near to what he presents himself as.

Ushoran's appears as though his armour is badly maintained, but you can see the trappings of what he once was. A unit like the Morbheg knights has lost too many elements that identify them as fallen knights.

They aren't fallen knights though. They're cannibal lunatics that think they are knights. The only one that was ever actually what his delusion projects is Ushoran, and that was way back in the Old World, before even the fall of Nehekhara in general.

Not really accurate. There are a few stories and lore snippets of actual literal nobles and knights who fall under the delusion and devolve into cannibalism, etc.

Also a couple of the named characters are mentioned to have been nobles or whatever before the delusion. IIRC Grand Justice Gormayne was actual a legal scholar or whatever before being overtaken by the delusion, hence hes still able to function in role when he has periods of lucidity

Also iirc theres at least one story about a kingdom or society that collapses into the delusion.

Yep the thing is you could have been anything before you were bitten - a serf, slave, trader, noble, knight, bandit, robber, murderer - whatever.

Some will retain some sense of what they were before and it will influence who they become as a ghoul; others might find new strength and rise to the top even though before they were a nobody; similar there are surely some gibbering fools (even by ghoul standards) who were once nobility at the height of power.

All changes after the bite when the delusion sets in.

The Black Adder wrote:

 Jammer87 wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
I went with Archaon. Surprised he's on the list, thought he was an End Times release

He justs scrapes in to the decade as a November 2015 release - AoS was July 2015

went for Ushoran, Vhordrai would be 2nd for me.

Yeah, Ushoran for me too, followed by Vhordrai and then in 3rd the lioness ( easily the best manticore from any line of miniatures)

Ushoran is just such an amazing sculpt. Background is just icing on the cake.

Yeah, I'd love to get one, but can't justify it until I've shifted a lot of back log. Maybe next year.

I just wish I liked the rest of the ghoul range. Ushoran has definite flair and looks like a fallen king, unfortunately the rest of the range lacks a unified aesthetic that makes them believable as knights, footmen and the court of a fallen civilization. I really wish they had more armour, trinkets and iconography that made them read as a unified whole instead of just poking bones anywhere and everywhere.

Agree a 100%

Ushoran is such a great minis,.but the rest of the range is just meh, and doesnt really translate the background.

And aa another poster said, such a fail that they didnt put a pic of all of the choices. No way am I navigating through their horrible website to look at all of them.

As for Nurgle WHQ, bring it on. Just hope that they go for sinister nurgle and not cutie nurgle...
If its the later, it's probably going to be a hard pass for me

And curiously, we have the X-mas Battleforces announced already:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/x02hi8xs/amass-a-new-army-with-four-age-of-sigmar-battleforce-boxes/

Very tempted by the Soulblight, and would have gone with the Dankhold one if they didn't make the same damn mistake of putting a special character in there

Nice boxes - Soulblight one I'm not actually tempted on as I've already got 10 vampire riders and 2 dragons and bats. That said I can see it being very popular very quickly, so probably a good thing for me it might sell out fast and I don't get tempted to a 3rd dragon (technical I need one for the mount+rider option)

They seem alright, but once again plagued by special characters.

To be fair that does at least cut down on customers soaking up the stock themselves. Scalpers are always a problem, but so too is when people buy two or three of the same boxed set.

The more who do that the fewer sets there are for more people to get. So more special characters means more chance people get one and are done so the stock spreads out to more people.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were alternate builds like Vhordrai. Although why Drycha (which every player has had for an age now) over something like Belthanos is beyond me.

And what do you know, the rumours were true:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/b7qzhmxz/announcing-warhammer-quest-darkwater/

A few of those look like beastmen!

Yes. And for some reason this seems to be set somewhere between Old World and Age of Sigmar.

I wish they dropped the "grim" on everything but that cover does nothing for me at all... Beastmen and Nurgle fighting some boring heroes in a swimming pool? Maybe should have been skaven in sewers or river trolls etc all seems just very disjointed for now.

Points if you only build the most expensive options:

Skaven 930
Soulblight 1,000
Gloomspite Gitz 1110
Sylvaneth 1010

I dunno prices.

Tempted to pick up the Troggs. I don't love AoS, but they would fill out the gap in my Gitz pretty perfectly.

Actively trying to sell the Sylvaneth stuff though

 cole1114 wrote:
Points if you only build the most expensive options:

Skaven 930
Soulblight 1,000
Gloomspite Gitz 1110
Sylvaneth 1010

I dunno prices.

Really makes the 40k offering look weak.

Points are higher in AoS so you don't need as many minis to get good points. There's some really rough ones on the 40k side, krieg and tau are egregious. But that comes down to internal balance issues with the codexes.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
And what do you know, the rumours were true:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/b7qzhmxz/announcing-warhammer-quest-darkwater/

Well that adds credibility to Booles rumours, there’s even Nurgle Troggs in there.

So just to add another from his posts the reason Fyreslayers aren’t getting a 4th edition Battletome is they are being combined with Dispossed in a Khazalid Holds book.

Hm, if that's true, that would explain why there's such a generic looking dwarf on the new quest.

The soulblight box is probably the most worth it of the bunch even if you own everything in them. Vhordrai alone is worth almost as much as the entire box set.

Bloody hell, that vampire box comes out at $690AUD.

I'm not sure what these christmas boxes typically sell for, but with a 20% discount there's no way it couldn't be good value, considering Vhordrai is $330 on his lonesome. (A frankly obscene price)

For the mini of the decade, I voted for Ionus. I freaking love that miniature, and had an absolute blast painting mine!

As for the Christmas boxes, none of them this year are for armies I play or have much interest in playing, so my wallet is safe for now. I might want one of the 40k boxes, but the AoS ones are just not relevant to what I'm doing.

 Snrub wrote:
Bloody hell, that vampire box comes out at $690AUD.

I'm not sure what these christmas boxes typically sell for, but with a 20% discount there's no way it couldn't be good value, considering Vhordrai is $330 on his lonesome. (A frankly obscene price)

I think i'll get the Soulblight one assuming the price is still around £120 rrp. I've been wanting a second, unmounted dragon and i've always wanted to use those bats as alternative warbats for MESBG.

As much as I want to believe its possible I can't see that set being £120 - £150 maybe

What were they last year? Like £125?

I have stuck in my mind that they were twice the price of a combat patrol/spearhead.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What were they last year? Like £125?

More than that
£147.50, €190, $240

So expecting £155, €200, $250

Last year all sets cost the same but they have varied prices between sets before

Some more cool visuals from the final episode of Sigmar’s Toll, though the CGI was pretty spotty at times in this episode

-Memorians (human companions to the Reclusians) squaring up against a Rat Ogre went about as well as expected
-Prosecutors are the best looking SCE imo, and their scene attacking Skaven Jezzails was fun
-The Lord-Vigilant was awesome again, though his mount didn’t get to be creepy like in the 2nd episode

Completes the tale of the heroine that was the star of the 4th Edition Trailer. The 3 episodestotal the better part of an hour worth of Skaven/Stormcast violence, sprinkled with some lore from both factions. Leaves room for more tales featuring the surviving characters on both sides, with how it ended.

Nice to hear it's good again. Only three episodes though? Not sure how to feel about that, even if they were longer than standard. Good to hear memorials got some action, even if it does go about how you'd expect.

Got my Urkhan the Dark Warden (Warhammer Day mini) ordered up!

I was umming and ahhing over him, but then i noticed he actually sold out on the main site, which is unsual. So i just got him from Weyland with some store credit.

The only downside is I really want to finish up my Soulblight collection but that model is going to tempt me to getting more for my very slow-grow slaves to darkness

Doesn't help that there's still a few of those Darkoath Army Set's kicking around to be bought

Expensive week incoming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gfojfzrt/sunday-preview-daemonsmiths-conjure-up-helsmiths-of-hashut-reinforcements/

The full Helsmiths release

Phew I'm safe from having anything new tempting me this week!

Great to see the Chaos Dwarves getting their big main release of models - hopefully they sell well and get a second wave at some point in the near future to really cement their position as a diverse army in the game!

Considering their launch box was a sellout near everywhere, i don't think they have much to worry about in that sense.

You say that whilst Daughters of Khaine are sitting there having been pushed in lore and selling out really well model wise and yet still having one of the smaller rosters in the game (bulked up in part by a few kits doing a lot of duel-build options and the Blood Cauldron covering a good chunk of multi-build options/leaders)

Not especially into the Chaos Dwarfs. But those dice are purrrrrdy!

If I were to get into the Chorfs, I'd put magnets in their feet so that I could swap them to square bases and therefore also use them in The Old World.

Euro prices from TGA

Battletome 50 € (new standard)
Urak Taar the First Daemonsmith 130 €
Daemonsmith: 32,50 €
War Despot: 31,50 €
Bull Centaurs: 51,50 €
Infernal Cohort: 43,50 €
Dominator Engine: 61,50 €
Deathshrieker Rocket Battery: 47,50 €
Infernal Razers: 38 €
Hobgrot Vandalz: 50 €
Dice: 25 €

Little fluff dump about Urak Taar:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/7nghweru/who-is-urak-taar-the-first-daemonsmith-and-just-how-old-is-he/

While Darkwater has been the focus a few more rumours have emerged

Skaven New Models

Crixxit of Clan Nictus
Night Runner
Gutter Runner

Pestilens planned for future release

Dwarves - at least 9 new kits for the new book.

More Skaven? I'm a touch surprised by that. Pestilens i guess i shouldn't be, as they've been kind of shunted to the side.

I wonder if the new guy in Darkwater is a preview of the new style?

Honestly I'd say those additions to Skaven would be well worth it; replaces some really old plastic models in the line. If they can do new plague priests then the core of basically the whole army is going to be nice and modern plastic/

Hmmm... no Stormcast. Is that a good sign or bad?

It's hard to justify any additoins mid-season to stormcast if they are going to be in every single starter set. Getting a starter set level of new models every 3 years is already an insane amount for a single army with no expanded subfaction system like Space Marines have.

Plus don't forget they often get event/storebirthday/new book character models drip fed out as well.

 DaveC wrote:
While Darkwater has been the focus a few more rumours have emerged

Skaven New Models

Crixxit of Clan Nictus
Night Runner
Gutter Runner

Pestilens planned for future release

Dwarves - at least 9 new kits for the new book.

For those not on TGA, this is from user Boole who has been right about everything (i think?) going back to the Rumor Dump on page 100.

What's Clan Nictus? I don't recognize the name

I guess I should finally pull the trigger on those skaven catapults before their price gets doubled by a new model...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What's Clan Nictus? I don't recognize the name

Presumably spies.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Hmmm... no Stormcast. Is that a good sign or bad?

Good. It means they're not being spammed at us like Space Marines.

Little bit of RoR:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wqpsylac/splash-a-little-zharrdron-handiwork-into-your-chaos-armies-with-two-regiments-of-renown/

I appreciate how easy these two are to do.

Sorry, didnt pay attention to all chaos dwarf stuff.
Are those evil canisters in the article part of a kit? Looks like they are 3D printed, but GW put them om the front of the army set as well.

They're not part of any kit so far. Unless they're some sort of future release.

Tempting artillery support for my StD forces...

New balance update for the WCW:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gdf3xzwi/world-championships-of-warhammer-balance-updates/

Just to add a little credence to the new blight kings rumour, i've just noticed the current kit is marked as sold out online rather than temp out of stock.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just to add a little credence to the new blight kings rumour, i've just noticed the current kit is marked as sold out on line rather than temp out of stock.

RIP. We're going to go from one of the most versatile GW kits to a buncha monobuild dudes, aren't we?

I would not understand new blight kings, because they're still quite new and pretty enough.

As an aside, ever since their release back at the end of WHFB, I felt that the Blightkings were meant to be a dual unit box. Except for the unit champion, there is a build for a shielded version and a build for dual hand weapons, and a couple builds where a Blightking could take a 2 handed weapon.

It always seemed silly and needlessly limiting to not make them a dual box like Wrathmongers/Skullreapers(also released at end of WHFB). Could have 1 build be a hammer(2 weapons), with the second build(shields) being the anvil, with an option of 1 out of 5 gets a special heavy weapon.

With that said, I did build and paint about 40 PBK’s because I wasn’t limited in how I built them. Each one was unique because I made extensive use of my Chaos Warriors bitbox.

In all my years of selling off armies, I miss that massive MoN army the most. Mainly because of all the work I put into the PBK.

All time classic kit and it’d be rough to see it go, if thats happening.

Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

I think you have to accept at this point legacy armies are not returning. Which is precisely why Cathay and such are making an appearance.

Agreed, plus lets face it if GW brings back a legacy army with old models for Skaven you can bet most people are going to buy the significantly better AoS models to use instead.

Furthermore each old-model legacy army GW puts into Old World means another almost full or half full army that needs resculpts if gW wants to see Old World sales continue after the big nostalgia bubble bursts. Bretonnia fans are really going to want new knight models for the core of their army now that they've seen GW do amazing new ones and Cathay is rocking a whole new army of amazing sculpts.


Right now the only army that isn't in Old World that I could see return is Dark Elves and that's purely because the bulk of the army has languished in AoS for 10 years without GW doing anything with it; save for one campaign book where you got to put the army back together.

scarletsquig wrote:
Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

Skaven are still using models released during WHFB. This includes (but may not be limited to) the Warp-Lightning Cannon, the Screaming Bell, and Thanqoul.

 BorderCountess wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:
Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

Skaven are still using models released during WHFB. This includes (but may not be limited to) the Warp-Lightning Cannon, the Screaming Bell, and Thanqoul.

Thanquol would never transfer to TOW, since the character hasn't been born at the setting's current time period.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:
Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

Skaven are still using models released during WHFB. This includes (but may not be limited to) the Warp-Lightning Cannon, the Screaming Bell, and Thanqoul.

Thanquol would never transfer to TOW, since the character hasn't been born at the setting's current time period.

What if it turns out TOW is an alternative timeline based on Thanquol going back in time to thwart his enemies, and in consequense undo skavens greatest triumph and ascension that was "the end times"

To be fair, “mad warpstone experiment rips hole in time/space, hijinx ensue” is not outside the realm of skaven technology.

 Fayric wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:
Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

Skaven are still using models released during WHFB. This includes (but may not be limited to) the Warp-Lightning Cannon, the Screaming Bell, and Thanqoul.

Thanquol would never transfer to TOW, since the character hasn't been born at the setting's current time period.

What if it turns out TOW is an alternative timeline based on Thanquol going back in time to thwart his enemies, and in consequense undo skavens greatest triumph and ascension that was "the end times"

Thanquol goes back in time to prevent the End Times, but no one listens to his crazy ramblings. Just to be sure, Sigmar sends a relentless Stormcast after the grey seer to terminate him.

A Stormcast who very much does not remember the Old World and is certainly NOT Felix

 Overread wrote:
A Stormcast who very much does not remember the Old World and is certainly NOT Felix

It goes on to save a young Gotrek and thus set in motion a most unusual set of circumstances.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Overread wrote:
A Stormcast who very much does not remember the Old World and is certainly NOT Felix

It goes on to save a young Gotrek and thus set in motion a most unusual set of circumstances.

And then losing a Khadoran relic that was gifted to him for his quest. A machine that Malakai Makaisson finds and then inspires him to rebel against the Engineers Guild.

 Overread wrote:
A Stormcast who very much does not remember the Old World and is certainly NOT Felix

Don’t be silly, the Eagle of Black Ridge only has the vaguest of information about the World of Legend but he does know where Thanquol’s nest-mother is supposed to be.
Unfortunately he could only bring his magic silver armour with him and none of the local artificers know how to make a long strike crossbow, much less one with a 400 yd range.

scarletsquig wrote:
Hopefully fully AoS skaven means that the army can be relaunched for TOW using the old plastics, since the separation of the two product lines is probably the real reason why lizardmen, skaven and vampire counts didn't get included in the initial wave of releases, too many WHFB kits still in the AoS line.

Thats not the reason, and they wont be.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think you have to accept at this point legacy armies are not returning. Which is precisely why Cathay and such are making an appearance.

Finally, people are realizing the truth.

And i think we have a preview of what the new Duardin units are going to look like:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9tnvytgp/grizzled-duardin-explorer-drolf-ironhead-sets-out-for-warhammer-quest-darkwater/

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think you have to accept at this point legacy armies are not returning. Which is precisely why Cathay and such are making an appearance.

Maybe not as full armies. As mercenaries or allies - sure, why not? Especially Undead - I mean on the map there's a Vampire keep next to Karaz-a-Karak and we still have Mousillion and Sylvania too.

If that were the metric, then we already had Ogres return as mercs.

I am not sure the duardin will return just because you saw this one mini. I thought the same thing about dark elves with the mistshaper and the warcry dark elves but it never happened.

There's rumours that Fyreslayers are not getting a battletome and the reason is that they are being absorbed into a new dispossessed battletome.

Well god damn, looks like i'll be getting my first Weta piece since the early 2000's:

https://www.wetanz.com/us/neave-blacktalon

I am not a stormcasts fan at all, but the WH + series was great (He-Man modern version a bit) and this model looks fantastic.

But the price is probably insane.


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Okay it's even known.

899 dollar is even more than I assumed holy moly.

 Astmeister wrote:
I am not a stormcasts fan at all, but the WH + series was great (He-Man modern version a bit) and this model looks fantastic.

But the price is probably insane.


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Okay it's even known.

899 dollar is even more than I assumed holy moly.

So... are you buying some for your fellow Dakkanauts for the Holidays?

☆

I could do a lot with 899 dollars - I wonder how many people will buy one immediately?

That's definitely too expensive for me. Maybe 100 euro would be okay.

 Astmeister wrote:
That's definitely too expensive for me. Maybe 100 euro would be okay.

I'll be getting one, but not until after Christmas. But have you seen the scale shot of her? The thing is like knee height.

No I did not.
But that's crazy and I would have to put it in my garden. ^^

You would need a special cabinet for it. I can't imagine where I would even put it.

So i think this is the first time..ever there's been a book from the lizardmen/Seraphon perspective?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htmsx5mm/adrian-tchaikovsky-interview-writing-the-seraphon-in-starseers-ruin/

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So i think this is the first time..ever there's been a book from the lizardmen/Seraphon perspective?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htmsx5mm/adrian-tchaikovsky-interview-writing-the-seraphon-in-starseers-ruin/

That's unexpected.

I think one of the Thanquol books had parts that were from the Lizardmen perspective, but they were never the main focus. Or it might've been Burning Shore, part of the Florin & Lorenzo series. Its been so long!

Edit: Looked into the authors curriculum vitae outside of Black Library and he’s an Arthur C. Clarke and Hugo award winner. I’ll have to keep an eye out for this novel.

Mini of the decade results:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rush3hdf/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-miniature-of-the-decade-the-winners/

Pretty happy with those results, although no 1 was a give. Would like to have seen Morathi and Ionus a bit higher.

Nothing I vote for ever wins... same with politicians now that I think about it.

You should have considered voting for something good.

I don’t recall exactly what I voted for but Be’lakor and Ushoran being top two seems about right, even if the order is wrong.

Were they scored by box weight?

Archaon in the top 3!!! That's hard to believe, its a terribly goofy miniature. The rest of the top 10 is very solid though

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Mini of the decade results:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rush3hdf/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-miniature-of-the-decade-the-winners/

Pretty happy with those results, although no 1 was a give. Would like to have seen Morathi and Ionus a bit higher.

Maybe I'm just biased against the faction but Ushoran as number 1? Among all these big centerpiece models with lots of details here's some big dude on a base.

The other 9 could really be shuffled in any order and I'd pretty much agree they're all well designed.

I really need Ionus in my collection. Such a nice model.

JWBS wrote:
You should have considered voting for something good.

I buy giant robots and stormcast. I'm lucky they even let me vote.

Katakros was robbed!

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I buy giant robots and stormcast.

So you're the one!

 streetsamurai wrote:
Archaon in the top 3!!! That's hard to believe, its a terribly goofy miniature. The rest of the top 10 is very solid though

I can only assume that there were a lot of 'faction votes', where people voted for their team rather than dial up a little objectivity.

Yeah I'm surprised at the number 1 and 3 spots. Archaon is from that earlier gw era post wfb where they were just going for big and added stuff on the big models. At least he doesn't have the spirit energy effect they were obsessed by then.... I think morathi suffers a similar issue being From the same era.

I'd put vordrai and ionus above him in terms of design quality.

But even belekor is mostly just big. He's a technically well made model but there's not a lot to him. Just a muscular body and wings.

I was particularly impressed by kroak when he came out as they augmented it in interesting ways and the floating effect was clever. I also thought that alarielle was a well composed model with interesting design choices. She's also from that earlier era but seems to have different emphasis. Her wings aren't giant, her headdress isn't monstrous like morathi, her beetle isn't even that big. It just has a nice proportionality while still being impressive.

1 surprised me if only because I never saw Flesheaters as being "that popular" (and lets face it one weighted element of the votes is "that's my army").

But still a fantastic model and not one I'd gripe at taking the win. It was also great to honestly see a good few earlier models like Morath and the Everqueen taking slots as we've had a good slew of really fantastic models since them.

Harbinger of Decay sculptor must really feel proud as that's the smallest model in the set by far and it secured a very strong position. Just really shows how awesome that sculpt is.

I must be missing something, that winning model is very meh to me, does nothing for me.

Top 10 looks great.
Didnt expect Alarielle to be there to be honest.

Also didnt expect Archaon to be third best, but it makes sense as he pretty much define and represent the original AOS feeling.
But even if he is iconic by now, he looks pretty dated and really show that early AOS design. I would think he is up for a remake sooner rather than later.

Giving it a little more thought, I would probably swap out either Belakor or Archaon for Tahlia Vedra. Stunning model and probably one the best manticore models ever made.

I thought the majority of the winners were great, most of the ones I'd pick are in there though I didn't give it a huge amount of thought so there would be a lot of recency bias in my case. Ionus, Harbinger, Vizzik, Belakor, Ushoran all very good models. Dankhold Troggoth, Trugg, Mega gargant, Lord of change, Slann starmaster would have been good picks too. Oh, and Fusil major ogor.

Have to say the top ten confirms that my tastes are very different to the average AoS fan. The Harbinger of Decay is the only one of those I really like. I voted for the Ogroid Thaumatheurge myself (ogre mage gw, ffs) because I think it's a great take on that monster.

 Da Boss wrote:
Have to say the top ten confirms that my tastes are very different to the average AoS fan. The Harbinger of Decay is the only one of those I really like. I voted for the Ogroid Thaumatheurge myself (ogre mage gw, ffs) because I think it's a great take on that monster.

I just can't see that many people voting for that SC dragon, alarielle or the abomination that is the reimagined dorghar.

I was a little surprised at the stormcast dragon winning - I think the new griffin wins out (but that one might be tainted because they had to lose another great mount to get that one) and the other solo dragon kit they've done for stormcast I feel is superior.

 BertBert wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Have to say the top ten confirms that my tastes are very different to the average AoS fan. The Harbinger of Decay is the only one of those I really like. I voted for the Ogroid Thaumatheurge myself (ogre mage gw, ffs) because I think it's a great take on that monster.

I just can't see that many people voting for that SC dragon, alarielle or the abomination that is the reimagined dorghar.

Uhh... I'm one of those people.

So my vote got the 7th place. How fitting.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Have to say the top ten confirms that my tastes are very different to the average AoS fan. The Harbinger of Decay is the only one of those I really like. I voted for the Ogroid Thaumatheurge myself (ogre mage gw, ffs) because I think it's a great take on that monster.

I just can't see that many people voting for that SC dragon, alarielle or the abomination that is the reimagined dorghar.

Uhh... I'm one of those people.

Ionus is a fantastic piece. Probably one of the best dragons they've ever done. And Alarielle is probably one of the best female models they've ever made.

I have to agree that Ionus is a great model. I like that they did smaller lurking sportsdragon instead of a huge mess for the sake of beeing big and imposing.

I definitely love Ionus, but then I'm biased because I just painted mine earlier this year (and it was a ton of fun to do!).

In hindsight, while this was cool, I wish they had got a bit more granular with the nominees. Top 5 Hero, Infantry/Monstrous Infantry, Monster, etc maybe spread it out amongst the grand alliances.

No Tahlia Vedra is bananas.

No Ork/Goblin model or however they call them in the top 10 which is basically the only AoS range I really like. Yeah, I guess I know why I'm not playing that game.

 nels1031 wrote:

No Tahlia Vedra is bananas.

It's the armchair!!
GW has this fixation on giving big mounts high backed armchairs for their riders to sit on.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Mini of the decade results:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rush3hdf/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-miniature-of-the-decade-the-winners/

Pretty happy with those results, although no 1 was a give. Would like to have seen Morathi and Ionus a bit higher.

Maybe I'm just biased against the faction but Ushoran as number 1? Among all these big centerpiece models with lots of details here's some big dude on a base.

The other 9 could really be shuffled in any order and I'd pretty much agree they're all well designed.

It's a poll based on asthetic preferences so every vote is biased in a way. I actually absolutely love that model and have no interest in the game let alone the faction. If he were ogre sized instead of giantic monster sized I'd have bought him for RPG purposes. I agree though that there has been a bias towards ridiculously large centerpiece models that should probably be dioramas over the past decade in their online polls.

 Overread wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

No Tahlia Vedra is bananas.

It's the armchair!!
GW has this fixation on giving big mounts high backed armchairs for their riders to sit on.

It's not an easy conversion to resculpt the saddle into something smaller. Im still looking for another female mini to replace the current one. The manticore is 11 out of 10 but the rider only a 7.

 warboss wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Mini of the decade results:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rush3hdf/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-miniature-of-the-decade-the-winners/

Pretty happy with those results, although no 1 was a give. Would like to have seen Morathi and Ionus a bit higher.

Maybe I'm just biased against the faction but Ushoran as number 1? Among all these big centerpiece models with lots of details here's some big dude on a base.

The other 9 could really be shuffled in any order and I'd pretty much agree they're all well designed.

It's a poll based on asthetic preferences so every vote is biased in a way. I actually absolutely love that model and have no interest in the game let alone the faction. If he were ogre sized instead of giantic monster sized I'd have bought him for RPG purposes. I agree though that there has been a bias towards ridiculously large centerpiece models that should probably be dioramas over the past decade in their online polls.

Oh, I thought we were supposed to only vote accordance to party lines.

☆

I do wonder if the GW staff's votes account for more than ours.

You say Warhammer Quest character, i say new Arch-knight

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qxcpcnsd/bren-tylis-the-renegade-saint-charges-in-to-warhammer-quest-darkwater/

She does not look happy or friendly XD

Its looking to be a nice simple group to paint up, but the manticore knight will have to be repurposed.

I know people were mostly voting off the very nice pictures that exist of models, but god Ushoran looks SO bad on tabletop/viewed from above.

 NAVARRO wrote:
She does not look happy or friendly XD

Not sure I want my warriors to look happy... or friendly.

 cole1114 wrote:
I know people were mostly voting off the very nice pictures that exist of models, but god Ushoran looks SO bad on tabletop/viewed from above.

The model or the big ass base? If the model/character himself, why? I haven't seen him in the wild.


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 NAVARRO wrote:
She does not look happy or friendly XD

Its looking to be a nice simple group to paint up, but the manticore knight will have to be repurposed.

I'd be constantly worried if I were in armor that took minutes to take off when I have to suddenly pee too. The art makes her look angry but the shading on the model makes her look undead to me.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
She does not look happy or friendly XD

Not sure I want my warriors to look happy... or friendly.

Hey now, hurting the feelings of Beasts of Nurgle is NOT cool. They are adorable.

Bren Tylis have a weird armour but cool sword. I think she would look ace in a more interresting paintjob. Not really sold on the pose, but the face looks great with that aristocratic involuntary snarl.

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
She does not look happy or friendly XD

Not sure I want my warriors to look happy... or friendly.

Hey now, hurting the feelings of Beasts of Nurgle is NOT cool. They are adorable.

Bren Tylis have a weird armour but cool sword. I think she would look ace in a more interresting paintjob. Not really sold on the pose, but the face looks great with that aristocratic involuntary snarl.

Does she have a lantern on her back?

 warboss wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I know people were mostly voting off the very nice pictures that exist of models, but god Ushoran looks SO bad on tabletop/viewed from above.

The model or the big ass base? If the model/character himself, why? I haven't seen him in the wild.

He looks like a big ol' meatball from above is the problem.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


Does she have a lantern on her back?

Thats actually, for once, a pretty reasonable use of lantern in AoS. If you wade through the nurgleinfested sewers of Darkwater with a great sword, that lantern is pretty convenient.