I noticed they've also got 20+ of Angel's book, though I'm pretty terrible at following guides so I'll probably avoid it even given how cool Joan looks.
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Too hard to pass up Infinity minis for $4 a pop though....
Could have maybe not also ordered a couple of x-wing ships
And of course now that I have several Hafza-link-able units I'm gonna need to get the hafza box/blister, or at least the starter =/
I dunno, the fact that they get highly specialized dudes that are basically the best at what they do is awesome, but they just have so much going against them at this point (almost no actual unit choices to start).
White Star isn't an organization, so I wouldn't expect them to have "actual unit choices".
As it stands, we know of two Mercenary Companies.
Beyhan Resources Limited: A massive entity of which the Kaplan Tactical Services is a small part. This is where one would expect unit choices.
White Star: A loose conglomerate of individuals and scum like Druze. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yuan-Yuan show up here either.
Kanluwen wrote: White Star isn't an organization, so I wouldn't expect them to have "actual unit choices".
As it stands, we know of two Mercenary Companies.
Beyhan Resources Limited: A massive entity of which the Kaplan Tactical Services is a small part. This is where one would expect unit choices.
White Star: A loose conglomerate of individuals and scum like Druze. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yuan-Yuan show up here either.
What I meant was they have no remotes, one TAG choice, no HI, and similar.
All the Merc option really has is special characters and basic doods.
Just having a hard time deciding between PanO NCA and waiting for some Mercs, but if the Mercs aren't going to come out for another year.
I almost did it to get the fancy Joan... but nah. I've got my limits.
Speaking of limits... female icestorm fusileer is pushing them.... damn that gun is tiny. I hadn't noticed until I was handling the bits... its maybe half sized? It's like the dudes have assault rifles and she's got an... Uzi? Maybe? Oh well.
Even if it does kind of suck, I wouldn't mind having a Seraph model. Though, I kind of wonder how compatible it would be with the Squalo. Depending on the Seraph's arm pose, it might be possible to get rid of the rage fist on the Squalo by way of simple arm swap.
Barzam wrote: Even if it does kind of suck, I wouldn't mind having a Seraph model. Though, I kind of wonder how compatible it would be with the Squalo. Depending on the Seraph's arm pose, it might be possible to get rid of the rage fist on the Squalo by way of simple arm swap.
I think of it more like a Tiger Woods fist pump of awesomeness. Complements that big Multi-HMG pretty well.
But the Squalo is a TAG 55mm base (Iguana size), and the Seraph is supposed to be a MiniTag 40mm base (Gecko size).
That would probabaly mean a different size and maybe Squalo Arm would look too big on a Seraph body.
Armoured Cavalry (Squalo series) belongs to the larger chassis family. Uhlan, Seraph, Tikbalang are their smaller relatives. Perhaps, if CB released them years ago, they'd be same sized.
The Stingray series is the Seraph, Tikbalang and Uhlan. The Jotum, Dragoe and Armoured Cavalry are the Squalo series, which are bigger than the Stingrays.
AG miniature volume 1 arrived yesterday... Honestly I am A bit disappointed. It is basically a giant catalog/add for vallejo/infinity. I understood and expected those two to be exclusive plugs except I also expected a much better explanation/guide to technique and less of, I used product X in step (picture) 1, I used product Y in Step (picture) 2....
I was hoping for more, when airbrushing soft highlights I set my pleasure to X and I hold the airbrush at Y distance. I am sure to hold the model at _____ angle and I pull back on the trigger to allow Z amount of air flow. Be sure to ______..........
Instead the none metal metalic section just explains what NMM is then runs through another product list. He doesn't even eplain where he switches from an AB to a standard brush ( I knew where but I know most noobs won't)
It's a pretty coffee table book, but it is no where near worth it price tag IMO. I doesn't do a good job at explaining actual techniques at all.
Not trying to be harsh, just thought I'd give an honest and brief review from someone that takes painting very seriously and although I admit I already know how to two brush wet blend and glaze, it doesn't excuse the book from really explaining how to do these techniques.
Hopefully others are gaining more then I am seeing. Again pretty book, might help you somewhat recreate the exact model he is showing, however not a great tool. You might be able to paint a red Iguana with the book, you probably will never paint a similar caliber gorgos however. Not unless you already could. : /
Huh sounds like my plan to regret not getting the new Joan model and sticking to AB how-to videos on youtube was not a bad one (for me at least).
I assume giving you specific pressures would be kind of pointless, but if they usually had the pressure set at X and noted they adjusted up/down to Y at a certain point, you could at least have an idea of what was changing. To highlight/shade the area thusly, I reduced the pressure setting, or somesuch. More of a tip than a bland explanation.
Picked up a copy at miniaturemarket today. I actually like the book, and the model is awesome . It is a very basic book, but the basics are where I tend to fail or skip, so a good reminder.
ImAGeek wrote: I don't know if your in depth airbrush guide like that would work. Surely it would be different depending on what airbrush you had?
As someone who has owned an airbrush for years, yes it would work. No it wouldn't matter. While design and extra features may vary a bit they all have the same functional parts. Yes, there is a leap from GW's single action AB and Angels Harder and Steinbeck but thats like the diference between the plastic brushes that come in a watercolor set and a basic size zero brush from Michals. The sad thing is, he doesn't even run down those differences between junk and standard quality. Don't believe me? Youtube search and you can find some run downs and guides by folks like Les Bersley. Again, not trying to be harsh just giving honest to goodness facts here. Yes the info is out there, but for 60+dollars for a paint guide from a guy that almost exclusively AB's he should at least give his opinion on why he uses the model he does. Instead it's just a product placement with no explanation to the novice.
If you want to learn to paint better I'd highly suggest GW series by Duncan Rhodes on youtube (i think it's Rhodes? a bit sleepy) which is MUCH better at explaining and giving tips to the laymen. Also, it's free.
Not trying to be a jerk, I love the guy and think he is an amazing painter, which is why I am a bit sad I over paid for what is essentially a product catalog.
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GrimDork wrote: Huh sounds like my plan to regret not getting the new Joan model and sticking to AB how-to videos on youtube was not a bad one (for me at least).
I assume giving you specific pressures would be kind of pointless, but if they usually had the pressure set at X and noted they adjusted up/down to Y at a certain point, you could at least have an idea of what was changing. To highlight/shade the area thusly, I reduced the pressure setting, or somesuch. More of a tip than a bland explanation.
Exactly. It doesn't explain angle, distance, pressure or even needle size!!! Which is huge for a beginner.
You go from this:
The first highlight is applied with Dark Grey and I also used the airbrush here too.
to this:
The second highlight is achieved with a mixture of 30% Dark Grey and 70% White. This was applied on the area of the first highlight but I reduced the size of the application.
It might be technically correct and useful if you already know the angles and techniques to reproduce that effect, but if you have never done it before good luck matching his results based on those directions.
Or this step:
9) Using the airbrush I finished the further highlights with White.
That tells me very little of what he actually did on this step. I can kind of figure it out by comparing to the previous steps, but it isn't teaching me much if I'm not already painting at a similar level to him.
I haven't gotten my copy of the book yet, but here is an unboxing video:
What's disappointing based on that video is that there doesn't appear to be a step by step for the Joan of Arc that comes with the book.
You nailed it. It just runs through steps listing product codes with color names. At the beginning of a section he will use a wikipedia definition of a glaze, but then it's literally just steps A to Z listing every color under the sun made by vallejo on a CB mini.
Maybe I am the only one, but I wanted his insight. His theories, his inspirations behind a model etc etc. A bit of heart and soul, not to mention the basics of how, when and why you would glaze or use a wash and what colors and situations it is best suited for.
Yeah the miniature mentor videos generally do a really good job of this. It's tougher to instill in a written tutorial, but for example this glazing tutorial does a pretty good job, as does this zenithal highlight tutorial. Many of Angel's "steps" could be broken down into entire page long tutorials if they are targeted towards beginner to intermediate painters.
This is why I don't buy how to art books unless the subject is more technical.
A lot of painting is actually in how you move the brush and choose exactly where and how you move it.
As above, I also recommend the Miniature Mentor videos, as you can clearly see where and how the painters apply the paint. Trust me, it's worth the money. I was subscribed for a year and learned the most from it.
From those videos, I finally understood how those guys were getting those amazing blends, including about how much to thin my paint, where to apply the paint, how to drag the thinned paint around so promote blending, how much paint to apply and at what rate to apply it (very little, almost imperceptible even on HD video), etc.
It gave me the skills to see what Angel was doing to that biker miniature. In step 9 for example, he previously applied white lines to edges, and went back over with a dark grey to tone back in the white so that it blends. Now, he's gone back and sprayed white back onto the same areas as before to strengthen the highlights.
Cheers for the links to all of the different tutorials guys, I've come across one or two before randomly on Youtube but it's nice to see they have a dedicated resource to call upon.
The YouTube Channels of SchnauzerFaceMinis and AwesomePaintJob have also taught me a decent amount of airbrushing+painting techniques. No Infinity, but Space Marines and World of Warmachine models are bland enough to extrapolate off of.
I agree that overall, videos tend to be much more informative than a book.
Even Angel Giraldez's facebook posts and blog posts are more interesting than a book due to their larger images.
Overall I'm happy with it. It reminds me very much of the Forgeworld masterclass books, and i expect I will use it in something like the same way. I found the sections at the beginning of the book interesting and useful where he takes a closer look at techniques. The truth is, master those techniques and it is not hard to see how he paints, which is why I paid for the book. You can also reverse engineer a lot of stuff just by looking at the pictures. It is a good book if you are interested in integrating airbrush and traditional techniques.
Can't say I've tried it yet, but I think it will improve my painting if I go through painting my own version of the mini (or something similar) step by step and trying my best to get every step to look like the photo in the book, I have a feeling I would learn that way.... that's the way the book is laid out so that's how we should use it.
My one contructive crit is please no busts. I found the busts to be less impressive and I bought the book to learn how to paint Infinity miniatures, and found the section on busts very unhelpful. The product placement I can understand since i am already happy with my airbrush, and already own Vallejo paints, and this is normal for books like this.
Scrub wrote: Cheers for the links to all of the different tutorials guys, I've come across one or two before randomly on Youtube but it's nice to see they have a dedicated resource to call upon.
Don't hesitate to share anymore, though!
Here are some lists of general miniature painting related tutorials to check out:
For paid content though the miniaturementor.com stuff is excellent. For $70 you can download every video they have released so far and then cancel if you want, and it is studio quality painters giving in depth tutorials on each step with video that has close up and clear views of almost everything they are doing. As much free content as there is out there, there is a lot of mediocre stuff to search thru to get to the great stuff. Seeing an expert do and explain things on video with clear shots of their work is worth it to me.
Absolutionis and Karazax. Thank you both! You've given me plenty of food for thought and more besides!
It would seem I have a lot to learn but I knew that already!
Picking up lots of useful information, just need to implement it now, hah!
Does Dakka have a thread on this topic anywhere? Might be a good idea for peeps to have a dedicated thread to hang out and share info with each other about great tutorials and artist?
Forgot who mentioned no step by step for the Joan d'Arc figure, but they ate on page 94-99. Getting time to look at it more while waiting for my car to be repaired.
I think the book is well worth it, it's pretty obvious what's applied where from the pics and I never expected it to be a how to guide for specific miniatures, maybe others did, but I didn't. Vallejo us featured heavily because he says that is what the uses, and to be honest Vallejo is now more widely stocked in my locale than GW paint!
Ok lots of useful insight into painting and reviews of the book and all, but it would all be better suited for discussion in our general discussion forum where we have had a thread dedicated to Angels book for a good long while and you could start a general painting tips thread if you like as well.
There is nothing wrong with puting a review of such an overhyped hard to find Infinity item in News and rumors. It's where people will look first before purchasing the second run and I'd rather inform people of what they are not getting for the steep price tag.
People keep comparing the book to FW Masterclass, except FWMC are MUCH better quality books, I have had my book for a few days and the corners are already damaged. Not worth the price tag IMO for actual book quality OR content. I have many more and texts from book stores on how to art that were of comparable quality for fractions of the cost, with better content.
Still waiting for my book. Supplier is E Figs on east coast, and preordered it the second I was able from my FLGS. Basically I just want the new Joan
ACTUAL infinity news though!!!
Mayanet for Ipads released version 1.3 aka all updated for N3 rules for stats/points/weapons. Download now! Its free! IT doesent have all the wiki stuff and thats kind of in a weird state at the moment, but it does link back to some of those rules if they are from the non core rulebooks.
Kind of sad when a 3rd part makes such a great army builder in their free time and releases it before CB does. and they pay them at CB to build it...
Well, there's one guy at CB doing all the Army 5 stuff, along with working on their web development I believe. He had a leave for a major family issue that took him away for like a month or so.
NuclearMessiah wrote: Ok lots of useful insight into painting and reviews of the book and all, but it would all be better suited for discussion in our general discussion forum where we have had a thread dedicated to Angels book for a good long while and you could start a general painting tips thread if you like as well.
Tannhauser42 wrote: It's nice that there is an army builder that is fully updated for N3. Too bad it is completely useless to me as I don't have an iPad.
CB, unfortunately, has to make their product compatible with multiple platforms, and they also have to get it right on the first try.
Again, it's not simply the fact that "they have to make their product compatible with multiple platforms".
They've stated that they want it to be some kind of crazy thing with pop-out links, an "animated assistant", and some other nonsense that is useless and bloating the development necessity.
They've stated that they want it to be some kind of crazy thing with pop-out links, an "animated assistant", and some other nonsense that is useless and bloating the development necessity.
My understanding is that the initial version is not even supposed to include all that. It's just supposed to be the equivalent of Army 4, in term of functionality, but based on HTLM5 instead of flash.
In other words, they don't even have the excuse of having all those features, it's just bad planning. They really, really, failed at project management for the release of N3.
Tannhauser42 wrote:It's nice that there is an army builder that is fully updated for N3. Too bad it is completely useless to me as I don't have an iPad.
CB, unfortunately, has to make their product compatible with multiple platforms, and they also have to get it right on the first try.
^^This would be the reason why.
mrondeau wrote:
My understanding is that the initial version is not even supposed to include all that. It's just supposed to be the equivalent of Army 4, in term of functionality, but based on HTLM5 instead of flash.
In other words, they don't even have the excuse of having all those features, it's just bad planning. They really, really, failed at project management for the release of N3.
^^ and this would be a good statement to the planning of the backend of the N3 release.
Or alternatively it's a free tool they don't have to give anybody....
Yes doing so also has benefits for them, but probably not as much as you'd think, as those who actually 'need' it are those heavily invested enough in infinity that they'd carry on playing anyway
if you're just starting and have a handful of minis a bit of paper is more than enough to make up your list
I am afraid that I have to agree that the transition was not great. The rules are spread over loads of books, not all of which CB provide as pdfs on their new website. They released the profiles several weeks later, in a single file so large and image heavy as to routinely crash my ipad. All in, I find it significantly more irritating and difficult to do army building now than in N2, even though the rules themselves have been significantly improved.
The army builder also being remarkably delayed - though still not as badly as the D&D5e tools - doesn't help either.
Ack. -V- has set aside work on the Army Builder for the time being to concentrate on the ITS 2015 stuff, according to his most recent post on the Infinity forums-- Well, el foro, not the forum.
I find the delay in the Army Builder has been a good thing. I have had to go through and pay more attention to the details of the lists I am making. A good learning experience. YMMV.
Since it is not mentioned here yet, Bostria gave a presentation at an event in Madrid this past week-end. Video in Spanish here;
I haven't watched it but the interesting things seem to be: 14000 copies of Angels book (guau!). Alguacil Hacker will come in a blister. New Moto.tronica terrain pack is in the works. 10000 copies of Icestorm sold in 2014 (Ha ha, they thought 5000 would be enough. Suckers. Oh wait....) and something like 10000+ copies sold of the N3 books ( they are nice books, BTW) . 80% growth last year.
People learn just fine fooling around with lists in an army builder too. YMMV
Sorry, I just hate weird comments like that. Silly rationalizing.
I think it's a mistake to focus on ITS instead of the builder in the same way it's a mistake to focus on ITS while the release is still in such an incomplete or disorganized state.
Their growth was greater, but that doesn't really help get the game going in areas when people starting communities have to deal with the lack of a point of consolidation for the game. ARMY 5 was supposed to be such a point, but now they're shifting work away from that towards something that would also clearly benefit from a point of consolidation.
That's fine, it's a forum after all. Head in sand doesn't help a game get better. Just look at how GW turned out.
And this is why I no longer recommend people buy the rulebook. Glad it did well for them financially, which is what they wanted, but it's a train wreck in terms of edition transition. The fact that it's free online is more an indication that people who bought the $80 thing wasted money.
How is this relevant to news still? Because not all news is positive.
March 12 for ARMY5 is at least some indication that they understand they need a point of consolidation, so they didn't delay it that long.
But people are still playing without fully updated expansion books and a half-baked FAQ. Just last week a had a guy break open the rulebook to try and find the rules for abilities and weapons that weren't there. Not his fault for thinking an $80 rulebook would be complete, or that the updated PDFs for expansions don't have an official link.
But hey, just in time for ITS right?
I may seem harsh, but we deal with this a lot in video game development which has tighter deadlines. I really hate seeing this in tabletop game development.
The rulebook should have been an 'all-in-one' deal for the rules to the game itself. They needed to have taken the time to get everything sorted for the one book. Having it spread over old editions is helping no one, and not increasing their sales.
However, in regards to unit profiles, I would have been fine if they had of left them out of the main rulebooks. You never know how things are going to change, so whilst having them there is nice, they would be better kept as a live list on their website/army builder.
Also, if you see how long the unit profiles is in the PDF they gave us to download, it would have been its own book just by itself! So long as the unit profiles were available to download when the rules were released, that would have been fine.
I am hoping their army builder comes online soon, I am interested in checking out how it all comes together, being that I am not an Apple user.
We all knew more than a year in advance that the rulebook would not include the expansions,
I do not get the free online comment, you wanted the book to be only available as a physical to pay copy?
The delay of some parts as regrettable as it may be has more depth and reason behind it than people realize and it is because foundations for a better system support and faster updates have been set for them to happen.
Honestly comparing CB to GW is as wrong a it can ever get, polar opposites come to mind.
As to why ITS is important? well it is important to most players so yes, it does become important.
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And since this is the news section and nobody posted it
From the Mayacast podcast
March miniature releases:
Akalis Spitfire
Bounty Hunter
Azrail Feuerbach, as big as the yan Huo
Yaogat Box of 4
Jaguars Box of 4
New ITS miniature - Le Muet, can be hired by every generic faction including Combined and Tohaa
Ooooh, interested to see what the new Bounty Hunter is like.
I'm trying to collect as many as I can of them, that way whatever is rolled on the Bounty Hunter equipment table, I can use a miniature that represents the characteristics.
And seeing Le Muet of course! Anything with that badge/icon has got to be cool..
Considering the amaount of information they did it the best way possible.
> HS and CP are optional rules, so they better stay in the books they belong to. The only thing missing is an N3-version of both books, but I think we will get some upgrade to these books some day in the future.
> Rulebook, fine as it is, it is already a fat book and cramming in additional optional rules would only have made it more daunting for beginners.
> Profiles are much better as a PDF since changes are much easier to facilitate without having a mix of book and printed out pdf.
> PDF being late? With this amount of data they better take their time and do a good job especially with regard to balance. How pushing them harms quality we just saw when quite some people got anal about the profiles not being released earlier.
It took me three minutes during a game to find the profile for a SMG. This is not a great play experience. Now that Mayanet is out things should be better, though.
The Azra'il I'm really interested to see. I never liked the old ones that much, and a big fat model could be fun to use (though it is better to be smaller, in Infinity) and also might be a great painting item.
HS and CP are optional rules, so they better stay in the books they belong to.
Nope. That's completely false. Those are not optional rules, and they should have been folded into N3, with the other rules.
What rules are in HS and Paradiso that are missing from N3? Im a new player still going through the N3 pdf so I'd like a heads up of what to not overlook in the other pdf.
Although it's not really important if I do miss rules. Im just going to play at home with my pano and nomad because the closest Lgs is too far out the way for me to bother going to midweek for their infinity night.
If all else fails, I'll just build an awesome table to collect dust on. Which isnt a hard feat since my house is permanently dusty no matter how much I clean.
What rules are in HS and Paradiso that are missing from N3? Im a new player still going through the N3 pdf so I'd like a heads up of what to not overlook in the other pdf.
Although it's not really important if I do miss rules. Im just going to play at home with my pano and nomad because the closest Lgs is too far out the way for me to bother going to midweek for their infinity night.
If all else fails, I'll just build an awesome table to collect dust on. Which isnt a hard feat since my house is permanently dusty no matter how much I clean.
Mostly, a bunch of weapons and weapons special rules, about half the Equipment and Special Skills, the Spec Ops rules, and the Fireteam rules.
Ooooh. New releases sound good. Except whenever a new resculpt is announced, I have an urge to buy the old one before it goes out of production. *sigh* I guess that means I'll have to have TWO Fuerebach Azra'ils and 8 Yaogats.
Alpharius wrote:In present day English it can be used to describe people who were once in a gang.
I'm not sure if it is quite the correct parlance to use (at least here in the UK!), although it did give me a laugh reading Kan's post - first time for everything I suppose!
I like how some of the Nomad figures look really gay, like they are enjoying themselves..
.. See what I mean?
Knight wrote: I've heard the new non-ITS bounty hunter is going to be on a motorcycle. Potentially interesting, otherwise nothing peaking my interest.
That's bloody brilliant news! OK for the 1 in 20 games where you roll the correct value on the booty table
Someone posted it on my local gaming group, along with new releases. We'll see soon enough, though honestly, if someone would bought the motorcycle I wouldn't mind him using it without rolling for it.
old Yaogats do at least have the distinction of actually looking like they have reasonably light armour to match their stats (arm 2), as opposed to the walking tanks that current vanguards actually resemble (arm 1)
Am I correct in thinking it is meant to be Army 5 released this week?
Knight wrote: Someone posted it on my local gaming group, along with new releases. We'll see soon enough, though honestly, if someone would bought the motorcycle I wouldn't mind him using it without rolling for it.
That's a nice idea actually, think I will probably be doing the same.
-Loki- wrote: Yaogats are back to ARM 3 after their brief moonlighting as lighter armoured jungle fighters in Paradiso.
It was the Suryats that got the "lighter jungle fighters" profile in Paradiso(I guess ARM 3 is "light" for a Morat. ), not the Yaogat.
Yaogat were introduced in Human Sphere and did not get updated profiles for Paradiso, if they did then they would be in the Paradiso section of the Unit PDFs rather than HS.
If they had anywhere near a complete range, with more options in the blisters/boxed sets? We would not be having this discussion as I would feel it is not unreasonable.
aldo wrote: It was already a rule last year
Nobody ever cared, same as CB couldn't even manage to enforce their no unit proxies policy at the Interplanetary.
There is a significant difference between allowing proxies from third parties and allowing proxies only from your produced range.
aldo wrote: It was already a rule last year
Nobody ever cared, same as CB couldn't even manage to enforce their no unit proxies policy at the Interplanetary.
There is a significant difference between allowing proxies from third parties and allowing proxies only from your produced range.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem with as much outrage as I think people are having.
Yes, you might need to proxie things; they're asking that you use CB models to do so. Its more about using models from other combines than it is about needing to proxie a model that has not been made yet.
Doesn't using infinity models add to the confusing far more than a third party is. Let's say someone proxies a nomad profile without a model for an aguacilles model. Everytime you see it you might mistake it for an aguacilles. Third party model you are not gonna have that problem.m
drazz wrote: I begrudge NO company for asking that participants at its own tournaments use only their own products.
This is not a GW vs PP vs CB or anyone else thing. This is a regular issue with official tournaments. I think its a non-issue personally.
Besides, they don't even say that you have to use WYSIWYG.
Agreed. I wouldn't expect any company to let other companies models be used at official tournaments. I wouldn't be against it if they chose to do so but I'm not against them only letting their own companies models be used.
warboss wrote: If the company is providing significant monetary support for a 3rd party event (beyond just a few posters/fliers and a mention on their site) or are running it at their own cost then they should have a say in what is allowed. I've never played a game of infinity let alone in ITS events so I can't say whether they'd meet those criteria.
They don't meet any of those criteria, at least when it comes to the ITS tournaments that have been run local to me. In fact those have all had $10 entry fees.
As far as I am aware as well, tournament organizers/their stores have to purchase the prize packs themselves.
Weird... my second post was only corrected after you posted... and it deleted the first post instead of the second even after I edited it. In any case, my original post is quoted in Kan's quote above.
warboss wrote: If the company is providing significant monetary support for a 3rd party event (beyond just a few posters/fliers and a mention on their site) or are running it at their own cost then they should have a say in what is allowed. I've never played a game of infinity let alone in ITS events so I can't say whether they'd meet those criteria.
They don't meet any of those criteria, at least when it comes to the ITS tournaments that have been run local to me. In fact those have all had $10 entry fees.
As far as I am aware as well, tournament organizers/their stores have to purchase the prize packs themselves.
The ITS tournaments run local to you don't have enforce the reasonable proxy rule you're so against though do they. The only ones where that rule is a must are ones run by CB themselves.
warboss wrote: Weird... my second post was only corrected after you posted... and it deleted the first post instead of the second even after I edited it. In any case, my original post is quoted in Kan's quote above.
It's because it wasn't actually a double post.
Dakka corrects those posts but it sometimes takes a few minutes and editing the double post is the same as editing the initial post, sooo...
warboss wrote: If the company is providing significant monetary support for a 3rd party event (beyond just a few posters/fliers and a mention on their site) or are running it at their own cost then they should have a say in what is allowed. I've never played a game of infinity let alone in ITS events so I can't say whether they'd meet those criteria.
They don't meet any of those criteria, at least when it comes to the ITS tournaments that have been run local to me. In fact those have all had $10 entry fees.
As far as I am aware as well, tournament organizers/their stores have to purchase the prize packs themselves.
The ITS tournaments run local to you don't have enforce the reasonable proxy rule you're so against though do they. The only ones where that rule is a must are ones run by CB themselves.
ITS tournaments are ITS tournaments when run by a Warcor.
Otherwise the only tournaments where these rules would be in effect would be in Spain(as CB attends those commonly), the Vigo Interplanetary, or any event where CB themselves are present(like Adepticon or GenCon).
And if THAT is the case, then these rules are completely unnecessary to begin with!
drazz wrote: I begrudge NO company for asking that participants at its own tournaments use only their own products.
This is not a GW vs PP vs CB or anyone else thing. This is a regular issue with official tournaments. I think its a non-issue personally.
Besides, they don't even say that you have to use WYSIWYG.
Agreed. I wouldn't expect any company to let other companies models be used at official tournaments. I wouldn't be against it if they chose to do so but I'm not against them only letting their own companies models be used.
What is the issue with this, am I missing something?
Also.. will someone please tell me where I can get 3rd party producers of miniatures not made by CB?!
Mountain out of a molehill. This is absolutely standard for any games company that makes their own figures and runs official events. GW, PP, FoW, FFG, all of them require models their company makes (PP doesn't even let you use proxies, period!). Only Mantic allows proxies from other game companies and that's because it's how they started their company: by PROVIDING proxies for other companies. Do you complain that Magic: the Gathering tournaments won't let you print out your own deck instead of buying the cards? Yet another internet nerdrage of a complete non-issue.
It also makes absolute sense, it's a company that gives you complete rules for free, obviously they bank on making their money selling the figures. And just like any tournament run by Warcors/Outriders/Press Gangers etc, the tournament organizers are always free to be less stringent on such requirements
What is the issue with this, am I missing something?
Also.. will someone please tell me where I can get 3rd party producers of miniatures not made by CB?!
The issue is that there are many profiles that do not have a physical model to represent them. So, it can be difficult to put together the perfect list and have the exact models to represent them.
Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged,
as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from
Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents
the unit and weapon option it stands for.
So there is nothing to stop you doing weapon or equipment swaps to make the miniature you want to represent, which I think is what is done anyway.
As well as this, I find in practice these rules are not really enforceable and people can generally use what they like as long as they aren't OTT about it.
I've seen armies consisting of 50%+ non-GW conversions and proxies being used at WHW. Someone I know had their army in the display cabinets there for months, and that had loads of 3rd party bits used. I can't see CB being any different to GW in this regard; In reality, no-one really cares.
You could always just use your SpecOps model as astand-in for anything. Aside from larger bases, I've used the Chandra SpecOps as a stand-in for dozens of things in the past.
The issue is that there are many profiles that do not have a physical model to represent them. So, it can be difficult to put together the perfect list and have the exact models to represent them.
Except that that's been true of pretty much every miniature line ever. You convert or you take somehting else, or you proxy and take the chance that you can't use it in an official tourney. But most TOs are pretty relaxed with these things, and often operate under Rule of Cool: if it looks awesome, people are very unlikely to tell you "no, you can't". Either way, this is hardly "news" or "rumors" as it's been in place for a year, and it's hardly unique to Infinity. Of all the times we've gotten an Alpharius "take it to the general discussion forum", I think this time applies most
What is the issue with this, am I missing something?
Also.. will someone please tell me where I can get 3rd party producers of miniatures not made by CB?!
There is no company producing 3rd party models, but Hasslefree's "SpecOps Miniatures" line has become a go-to for a lot of people to get Chasseur/Ariadna proxies.
It's gotten to the point where now when people ask about new Chasseurs, there are quite a few people that just point the Hasslefree SpecOps out.
Oh yeah, and it was quite common to see Space Marines or other 40k/Fantasy models doubling as HVT/Civilians--since they're easier to acquire en masse than actual civilian models.
NAVARRO wrote: Besides no one wants to see melon heads and monkey arms spacemarinez on a infinity force... thats just fraking awfull and almost criminal!
I hear you there - but CB has been having a fair bit of scale creep themselves lately, and while the models remain mostly proportionally, it is still a bit jarring at times...
The line about 'mostly' CB parts makes me fine with the ruling. If you wanna nab a missile launcher to represent a profile with no model, shouldn't be a problem now. Fair enough.
I, too, would prefer a JSA/Aleph bike, just to have options for my someday JSA biker gang.
NAVARRO wrote: Besides no one wants to see melon heads and monkey arms spacemarinez on a infinity force... thats just fraking awfull and almost criminal!
I hear you there - but CB has been having a fair bit of scale creep themselves lately, and while the models remain mostly proportionally, it is still a bit jarring at times...
Scale creep has really been blown out of proportion. The majority of models from across the years still look fine. The biggest issues have been with the Corregidor starter, which was actually slightly smaller then the scale of that time anyway, and the new Morats, which I always thought were purposely made bigger.
In general, what's changes has been propertions, not size. If I stand the old Rifle Jannisary, new Rifle Jannisary and HMG Jannisary next to each other (a rather good example as they exemplify 4 of the stages of Infinity scale - 1st edition, 2nd edition, 3rd edition and old vs new HI) they look fine regarding height, but the 1st edition model has chunkier arms and legs.
Here's all the relevant parts from Page 3 of ITS2015.
Spoiler:
MINIATURES
All miniatures used by the players must be from Corvus Belli’s
official Infinity range and must be assembled—with at least
their main components—and based, using the base supplied
with the figure or other of the same size.
Each figure must represent faithfully the unit it stands for,
including its equipment and weapon options. Should the
appropriate miniature not be available on the Infinity range,
you can use a different Corvus Belli miniature as a stand-in,
but you must clearly inform your opponent of what that
figure represents.
PROXIES
Under no circumstances can figures from other brands or
manufacturers be used as proxies.
CONVERTED FIGURES
Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged,
as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from
Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents
the unit and weapon option it stands for.
I dont see a problem with it. Its no different to other company wanting their own stuff used in their own tournaments. Like Kalamadea said, Rule of Cool usually applies to peoples tournaments so its not an issue.*
*Unless you have a fully unpainted Hasslefree Adriana force
Unenforceable, but otherwise i don't have a problem with it either. However, they still deserve the flak they're getting due to that rule interacting with their lack of profile coverage.
If they don't, either proxy it with a suitable CB mini (and inform your opponent), or convert a CB mini to do the job.
Not having those rules and taking a lack of said rules to its logical extreme means that I could just turn up with a bucket of green army men - hardly a good idea.
There's also the fact that it's practically unenforcable. The vast, vast majority of ITS events are run at little FLGS's by TO's with no affiliation with CB. And even if they're run by a warcor, I can't see them getting grumpy over a non-CB model.
It's basically a standard tournament rule for a miniatures company that makes its own miniatures. As always, it's up to the TO to enforce the rules, or not.
At worst, simply ask the TO before attending if they're fine with it. You'll unlikely be told no.
This is the fourth named bounty hunter? And in the Imperial sectoral you can use three ABH. That's an interesting start to a force. Probably really weak, but entertaining.
I dunno about revolver, I can't quite see the barrel thing. Even if isn't actually a revolver, it looks like it's meant to look like one.
So it's a space/future zombie bounty hunter? I agree, not sure if the head is working. The pose is fine otherwise, looks like the second hand maybe drawing a second pistol which is an improvement over ragefist (yet again).
Maybe it's just the angle... I swear that head is too darn tall.
Is he some sort of Tohaa bounty hunter? I really hope he's not a space zombie. Wonder what the "le muet" ("the mute") part is about? Presumeably something from his fluff. It's all very interesting.
The bottom half is fine. Maybe just saw off the top and stick a PanO beret there?
Maybe he's silent since somebody obviously lobotomized him? Actually can't you do that through the nose? I think he's got some massive head trauma anyway, that gash across the top looks like a can opener was taken to his noggin.
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So, Le Muet is a French Tohaa Bounty Hunter? For some reason, I can't help but be reminded of Cad Bane. Just give hime a nice, big, wide brimmed hat and he'll be set.
MINIATURES
All miniatures used by the players must be from Corvus Belli’s
official Infinity range and must be assembled—with at least
their main components—and based, using the base supplied
with the figure or other of the same size.
Each figure must represent faithfully the unit it stands for,
including its equipment and weapon options. Should the
appropriate miniature not be available on the Infinity range,
you can use a different Corvus Belli miniature as a stand-in,
but you must clearly inform your opponent of what that
figure represents.
PROXIES
Under no circumstances can figures from other brands or
manufacturers be used as proxies.
CONVERTED FIGURES
Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged,
as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from
Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents
the unit and weapon option it stands for.
I dont see a problem with it. Its no different to other company wanting their own stuff used in their own tournaments. Like Kalamadea said, Rule of Cool usually applies to peoples tournaments so its not an issue.*
*Unless you have a fully unpainted Hasslefree Adriana force
Yeah, I don't get why people would bitch about a copy-paste of what the ITS14 had in it. It never got in the way before.
MINIATURES
All miniatures used by the players must be from Corvus Belli’s
official Infinity range and must be assembled—with at least
their main components—and based, using the base supplied
with the figure or other of the same size.
Each figure must represent faithfully the unit it stands for,
including its equipment and weapon options. Should the
appropriate miniature not be available on the Infinity range,
you can use a different Corvus Belli miniature as a stand-in,
but you must clearly inform your opponent of what that
figure represents.
PROXIES
Under no circumstances can figures from other brands or
manufacturers be used as proxies.
CONVERTED FIGURES
Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged,
as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from
Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents
the unit and weapon option it stands for.
I dont see a problem with it. Its no different to other company wanting their own stuff used in their own tournaments. Like Kalamadea said, Rule of Cool usually applies to peoples tournaments so its not an issue.*
*Unless you have a fully unpainted Hasslefree Adriana force
Yeah, I don't get why people would bitch about a copy-paste of what the ITS14 had in it. It never got in the way before.
It's already been pointed out that this isn't anything new.
One person is not really "people". Whenever something new comes out, you just have to tune out the din of one person screaming loud enough to seem like multiple. Especially ironic considering these are ITS tournament rules. They don't affect people that don't go to tournaments.
After every succesful mission he performs his signature blistering electric harp solo?
Is 'rage-knife' going to be a thing now or is that an acceptable use of your off hand?
The re-paint makes it look like a decent model, nothing to get upset about missing out on, but decent. Really hard to work out what was happening with the official paint job.
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Thanks for the heads up RiTides, those look real cool.
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Pacific wrote: Haha! That most certainly does look like a rage knife! OMG!!!
Some pics on AG's facebook, check out his jacket
Spoiler:
I like him more now that I can see the other angles.
Figured I wouldn't care much for the Jaguars though. All of Corregidor has dudes in vacuum suits and (relatively) sensible gear. Why are these guys bare armed and not wearing helmets?
Figured I wouldn't care much for the Jaguars though. All of Corregidor has dudes in vacuum suits and (relatively) sensible gear. Why are these guys bare armed and not wearing helmets?
Jaguars are, for all intents and purposes, Penal Legions.
They're gangers who are given a choice: An eternal stroll without a spacesuit(it probably makes more sense in Spanish) or a stint in the newfangled Jaguar unit.
The unit was devised as an assault force for enclosed area, focusing on hand-to-hand combat(since they used to be gangers it was easier than training them in fire discipline and other military techniques). After they finish training and are put into a Jaguar unit they then get stationed in their home modules in Lazareto, taking over some policing duties from Alguaciles and essentially serving a "Solomonic role", averting gang wars and leaving the gangs alone as long as they don't stir up too much trouble.
If you want the full fluff bit, pages 115+116 in the N3 "Core Book".
Yeah, I read the fluff. Their background is pretty much the same as the Wildcats. I just would have preferred for them to have a more complete uniform, or at least a more interesting one. As it is, these guys basically just look like a Corregidor version of the Morlocks.
That's pretty much what they're meant to do though, right? Be Correlocks? Trade in metachemistry for... something?
I definitely prefer Morlocks but then, they're one of my favorite things about Bakunin. Having an equivalent unit type seems useful, but certainly not for me.
Trading in metchemistry for Vogged and Regular! Well worth it IMO. I can't recall what Morlocks CC skill is but Jaguars are CC21 MA L2. So pretty handy units, definitely buying some.
Heh, they're actually on the same page, adjacent even.
CC 22 with kinematika L1, MA L2, metachemistry.
Morlocks have 2 more wip, same physical, and what I noted above, otherwise very similar.
Jags can get a gluegun for only .5 SWC and 13 points though, so that's interesting. And there are no 6-8 point Jag options, like the chain rifle Morlocks or MorCRAPS.
Being regular does have it's advantages though....
Linkable in Corregidor! I think both would have value in a vanilla list: Morlocks for cheapness, assault pistols, and random metachemistry benefits, Jaguars for orders and dogged use. CB all over the game balance, as usual.
Awww yeah. Datasphere posted a couple vids from Rumble Highlights are coming releases in March/April: https://www.facebook.com/infinitydatasphere Yaogat box
Azra'il (HUGE model, looks awesome)
ABH on bike (reposed Sniper ABH from last year with boarding shotgun)
Also, Le Muet profile: Multi-Sniper and 2 breaker pistols, ODD, and Symbiont armor. MSV and non-MSV versions.
(profile assumed to be released soon since the model is ITS winner only at this point) [Carlos stated he can be proxied before next year's general release]
ski2060 wrote: Awww yeah. Datasphere posted a couple vids from Rumble Highlights are coming releases in March/April: https://www.facebook.com/infinitydatasphere Yaogat box
Azra'il (HUGE model, looks awesome)
ABH on bike (reposed Sniper ABH from last year with boarding shotgun)
Also, Le Muet profile: Multi-Sniper and 2 breaker pistols, ODD, and Symbiont armor. MSV and non-MSV versions.
(profile assumed to be released soon since the model is ITS winner only at this point) [Carlos stated he can be proxied before next year's general release]
Very nice info
Thanks for the profile, the rest we knew already and had the pics posted just a few posts prior to this one
MSR, ODD attached to his Symbiont Armor's Active profile(meaning when the Symbiont Armor goes down--the ODD goes down)--and MSV is potentially tied to it as well.
This got posted up from someone at the Dire States: Rumble on Route 66 event.
It's an Aquila Guard with two uhh...non profile bits. A Spitfire and Panzerfaust.
Hopefully it looks better from another angle. Though I don't really like the leg armour design either. Looks a bit too clunky for me. Disappointed in the jaguars too. At least the biker chick is looking good.
Bulky isn't bad. That's their background, older models of powered armor to intimidate.
That torso just looks incredibly small, skinny and long.
Anyway, still looking forward to seeing it in the metal.
Can someone mention some models in tabletop gaming that looked "bad" from one angle but improved to "good" from another? Not just "not AS bad" or "fixable" but actually good. I don't think I've seen any personally. I don't have a strong opinion either way regarding this model but I'm curious about the boilerplate response. For me, the robotech rdf models that looked like ass in grainy prototype pics still aren't good despite improvement and the taurox 40k transport still sucks (two recent "wait for more pics" examples).
I think it's a more valid response to a render than a metal model. I think 'not so good looking in previews, good looking on the table' is legitimate though. I would put the Taurox in that category though so you can interpret that how you like.
In this case I think enough of it looks ok that it could be good when it's in actual miniature form.
Liking the Yaogat. The original box sold me on the game, but they're due for an update to get them in line with the new design direction.
I like the small touches that refer back to the originals, like the more angular vambraces and visors. Everything is just cranked up to 11 now and looks properly brutal. ☺
Inanimate wrote: Liking the Yaogat. The original box sold me on the game, but they're due for an update to get them in line with the new design direction.
I like the small touches that refer back to the originals, like the more angular vambraces and visors. Everything is just cranked up to 11 now and looks properly brutal. ☺
What's the ETA on these? April?
Yeah they are a March release so should be in store in April.
Yes he looks significantly bigger than the current Azra'Il miniature. I have the original miniature and still quite like it, will have to think what it can be used for (perhaps a 'counts as' for a medium infantry, such as a Sekban or Djanbazan? He looks too heavily armoured to be a Ghulam)
The problem with the old Azrail model was simply its size. Again - huge, archaic power armour. The old Azrail was smaller than some MI and even LI of that time.
I would have like that old design to inspire the new design, but I'm absolutely ok with having them look like hulked out Sekban.
Vain wrote: Is the base the right type? I dont recall the Haqq/QK bases looking like that.
It is the right type, it's just in the first stage of being painted.
From L to R though?
PanOceania base. Akalis w/ Spitfire
Next two look to both be Nomad; at the very least the front one is. So that would be two of the four Jaguars.
Next base has not been detailed yet, so no real idea there. Probably a Yaogat though from the bulk concentrated on the upper body.
Base to the rear has been detailed and looks to be a Combined Army base, so again: Yaogat.
Base in front of that has not been detailed, seemingly, but dollars to donuts it would be a Yaogat.
The last one is going to be Azrai'l.
So missing from the shot is the ABH on Motorcycle and two of the Jaguars.
Has anyone noticed that photo shows Azrai'l carrying belt-fed feuerbach while render model has normal mag?
Or maybe angel just draw that line for no reason?
Considering ABH is already fully painted would explain its abscence. Looking at the line up and 2 missing jaguars im guessing the order of Video reveal will be
-ABH (already finished and photographed)
-Jaguars
-Akhali w/spitfire( may come before jaguars)
They took their sweet time & it will be worth the wait if it does all the stuff they list here. Good to see CB doesn't respond rashly to every single rage dump posted over their release schedules.
Now whether or not the site will crash immediately on launch I can't say...
Well, assuming that the army builder ends up as promised, (and I have no reason to doubt them) it'll be an incredible tool. Here's hoping that they can weather the inevitable storm of criticism in the meantime.
INFINITY ARMY 5.0 TOMORROW!
The new version of the Infinity Army—the official tool for creating Army Lists for Infinity—will be available tomorrow Wednesday, March 18, completely free of charge, through www.infinitythegame.com/army
This new version includes:
-All the troop profiles published to date updated for Infinity's 3rd Edition.
-An automated lists check system to help the new players.
-A new game engine based on PHP/HTML instead of on Flash, an engine supported by all desktop devices with an up-to-date browser.
In the next weeks, the creation and management of Spec-Ops custom profiles following the Experience Rules introduced in Campaign: Paradiso will be added to this version, completing so the set of basic functions.
But, that's not all! The new Infinity Army is going to be a continually expanding tool and new functions will soon be incorporated, functions like the possibility of saving your Army Lists to your ITS profile.
A smartphone version with a specific interface will be developed at a later date. The list management will be integrated with the organized system of the ITS tournaments and, among other things, players will be able to register for official tournaments right when they create an Army List.
The list of future improvements is quite extensive, so stay connected and don't miss any of them!
Maya is great but really looking forward to seeing how this turns out, I must say!
They took their sweet time & it will be worth the wait if it does all the stuff they list here. Good to see CB doesn't respond rashly to every single rage dump posted over their release schedules.
Now whether or not the site will crash immediately on launch I can't say...
This is good news!
It is also pretty funny that the person who finally updated you about the launch of ARMY in this thread was...you!
Guildsman wrote: Well, assuming that the army builder ends up as promised, (and I have no reason to doubt them) it'll be an incredible tool. Here's hoping that they can weather the inevitable storm of criticism in the meantime.
They'll weather it just fine. Helps that English is not their first language, I think.
According to -V-, it is desktop ready. He makes no promises about how it will work on phones and tablets. He will begin working on that once all the Spec-Ops stuff is finalized on the desktop version. I suspect that even after the release, there will be incremental improvements and additional features as people suggest things to him, and of course, find all the bugs that he and the testers have missed. An Off-line version would be nice too.
Heads up for those interested, Captain Haqqislam, the Man-TAG himself, Tariq is the Deal of the Day at Miniature market. $12 seems like a good deal for him.
The export to pdf button doesn't work for me and I don't see a print button, but I'm forced to use a crummy old version of IE here at work, so I might not have full functionality.
Henshini wrote: The export to pdf button doesn't work for me and I don't see a print button, but I'm forced to use a crummy old version of IE here at work, so I might not have full functionality.
I havent tried it this evening, but earlier on I created a force and exported to pdf without any issue on Chrome. It may be just too many people using it now causing the errors though.
Henshini wrote: The export to pdf button doesn't work for me and I don't see a print button, but I'm forced to use a crummy old version of IE here at work, so I might not have full functionality.
I havent tried it this evening, but earlier on I created a force and exported to pdf without any issue on Chrome. It may be just too many people using it now causing the errors though.
Well that's going to be a fairly big issue if they cant get an offline one sorted out.
There is a way to print to file (ie make a pdf) with firefox and chromium, at least on Linux systems... they do it natively. For Windows I think you need some sort of plugin called cutePDF.
Oh cheers for that Red Harvest, that looks like it will be very useful.
Although I guess the bloody website has to be working in the first place! Still getting a database error when trying to click on the entries.
None the wiser from looking at the official forum topic. Other than a comment that apparently an offline version is coming at some point (although that doesn't help our current predicament!)
I'm pretty sure you won't be able to download the entire SQL backend of the application with HTTrack, though if you fancied it you could always download the front end and build your own MySQL DB...
It might be faster than waiting for CB's site to stop being DDOSed by players!
...And the CB site is down :( Plus I get a 404 if I use a direct link to the Army5. Perhaps this will spur -V- to get something for off-line use sooner. The database for the thing cannot be too large. All the unit data for ALEPH toolbox is in one 311.3kb file. The Again I hear the PDF files from the Army 5 are enormous. :S
The Web site downloader did not work for me, at least with its default settings.
I hope that the Sibylla mini would be a bootleg release. It would be a perfect HVT mini. So would a resculpt of GoGo Marlene.
What are the rumored releases for this month anyway?
Azra'il
Yaogats
Biker ABH
and this is it?
Their website issues refuse to go away, don't they? I remember that they anted to close their forum down, presumably to save money on the bandwidth. But then they have so many cool things on the website (weirdly slow and clunky catalogue notwithstanding).
Their site probably just can't take all the abuse. I recall them taking their previews onto Facebook and other sites primarily because people would spam F5 on maybe-update days. With the game getting more popular and the Army Builder requiring much more processing, their servers are probably buckling still.
Still down. No biggie.
Is there a function in the new army builder to make a hidden list? So your TO and AD units aren't revealed? The ia-aleph app used to let you do that.
Knight wrote: Horrible noise in the background. I had hoped they'll put away the knife that almost every Akal needs to have, however aside of that it's nice.
They all have that knife for religious reasons though. What's wrong with it?
PsychoticStorm wrote: Its a nice homage to the old sculpt and the knife is part of the Akalis religion, so, why put it away?
Or you mean just not hold it?
Of course he means "just not hold it".
It doesn't read like that, so 'of course' is very presumptuous.
Knight is aware that the knife is a part of the Akali religion.
In any case, there is no reason for him to be holding his knife aside from the fact that CB likely did it as part of their whole "open chest, more details" drive.
The posing on the Akali looks fine but something about the knife arm when combined with it looks off.
The Spitfire kills it a bit and I question just what moment the artist wanted to show us. If he had lighter weapon such as pistol in the second hand it would look much better. Without the Spitfire or knife I could imagine him doing cautious advance and make a quick turn around a corner. A hacker profile would go nicely with this particular scene too. Although I also wouldn't mind, if they model a pistol and keep the knife sheeted once they get around that particular profile. Simply to diversify models.
Ooh, I knew the Akali would look good! Glad I was right. And gasp, he has BOTH FEET ON THE GROUND! Looks like Akalis are the only jump troops that get to do that.
He looks like he's stalking something that's around the corner. Maybe he's already shot an wounded someone, and now he's going in for a more silent kill to not give away his position more that he has to.
The Akal is amazing for one reason: It's an Homage to the original Akals, which had a guy in a very similar pose. It was one of the best sculpts of that early infinity era, and they still do well today.
It helped a lot in establishing infinity as having the nicest sci-fi minis with very creative designs.
Beautiful looking mini. Really like the shape of the helm with these guys, and the way elements of the shape have been copied into the other armour plates. You can tell some thought has gone into it.
I don't mind the knife, it adds some distinction to the Akali.
Kanluwen wrote: Azrai'l, Yaogats, Biker ABH, Jaguars.
Oh yeah, and the Akali with Spitfire.
Thanks for the answer.
I hope the Akalis Spitfire is not as mundane as the Ragik Spitfire. We should see this week.
The Ragik is pretty good. Nothing earth shattering but at least his pose makes sense.
Mundane, nothing earth shattering, I think we are saying the same thing here. If one has the HMG Ragik, the Spitfire Ragik is not enough to make one shelve the HMG and use the Spitfire instead. If you don't already have the HMG Ragik, the spitfire will be fine. Not every mini needs to be a home run ( or jonron )
I like this Spitfire Akalis, and most certainly will add it to my ASA despite its 1.5 SWC (ASA always gets hammered on SWC.) The knife pose is much better than the BS Akalis ( in the ASA starter). Beats the snot out of a rage fist pose, That is for certain. An Akalis hacker and a Spitfire make a nice little surprise from above. Add in Kirpal, and some cheap filler units to avoid being order starved early on and you have a fun little list.
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. It is a very basic book, but the basics are where I tend to fail or skip, so a good reminder.
Oh, don't bother. I won't read it.
