€85,- is a bit too much yeah..

I like how we discuss pricing but neglect the fact that most countries have places you pay less than RRP. Especially USA and UK. Whatever the RRP is then I'll be paying 25% less.

I'm glad GW are supporting this, it's great and I'd rather proper models rather than zombicide type plastic. As far as 40k rules go, it's unrealistic to expect minor units to impact the game much and viability is purely from the competitive point of view. Which is not really going to be BSF's target audience IMO.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I like how we discuss pricing but neglect the fact that most countries have places you pay less than RRP. Especially USA and UK. Whatever the RRP is then I'll be paying 25% less.

So you mean GW make that price so the "25% off folks" will be paying at the correct price while the rest just had to pay at 133.3% of the price?

oh wow thanks "25% off people"!

That's over 80% the price of BSF itself.

No thanks...

Bright side? It is Spikeybitz, so could be a figure pulled out their Jacksie for clicks.

Could also be true. So that’s, what, £80 or so?

£65,- if true.

$110 would probably be around £70 in GW conversion land.

Whatever it is, I'll buy it with a decent discount at some point.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I like how we discuss pricing but neglect the fact that most countries have places you pay less than RRP. Especially USA and UK. Whatever the RRP is then I'll be paying 25% less.

According to my calculations, 75% of $110 is more than 75% of $80. In fact, it rather appears that when the original number increases, so too does 75% of that number, linearly.
You will end up paying more, period.
Regardless of whether you are accustomed to paying 75% of RRP or full RRP, this set is disproportionally expensive to, say, the full Blackstone Fortress base set.

 BrookM wrote:
£65,- if true.

You get a bunch of cultists, 5 explorers. and some cards aswell as other stuff.
Probably 75-100 CHF range.
Which is excessive, again to no ones surprise.

Also am i the only one that questions the firebrand? As in, cut away the Chaos stars and you get a GSC flame hybrid? Atleast design wise?

However i am intrigued by the Mention of Stubcarbines.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
£65,- if true.

You get a bunch of cultists, 5 explorers. and some cards aswell as other stuff.
Probably 75-100 CHF range.
Which is excessive, again to no ones surprise.

Also am i the only one that questions the firebrand? As in, cut away the Chaos stars and you get a GSC flame hybrid? Atleast design wise?

However i am intrigued by the Mention of Stubcarbines.

Sicarian infiltrators have stub carbines 18" pistol 3 S4 /0/1

 0XFallen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
£65,- if true.

You get a bunch of cultists, 5 explorers. and some cards aswell as other stuff.
Probably 75-100 CHF range.
Which is excessive, again to no ones surprise.

Also am i the only one that questions the firebrand? As in, cut away the Chaos stars and you get a GSC flame hybrid? Atleast design wise?

However i am intrigued by the Mention of Stubcarbines.

Sicarian infiltrators have stub carbines 18" pistol 3 S4 /0/1

That doesn't sound like a half bad weapon actually. In essence it's a MP/SMG.

Even with 25% off, that's still a yikes from me.

£65 ish for 13 models and some cards.

Five of those are character models though, it's not as bad as traitor command I guess.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Five of those are character models though, it's not as bad as traitor command I guess.

Dropping out from a helicopter is less bad then from a plane.

callidusx3 wrote:
Price is out there and it appears to be US$110

Wow. Love this game and the models, but $110 is beyond the pale.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Five of those are character models though, it's not as bad as traitor command I guess.

Dropping out from a helicopter is less bad then from a plane.

Considering Mallex is £17.50 on his own and is comparable to the other characters in BSF, five characters at a similar price point isn't that terrible, so sure, helicopter is better than a plane.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Five of those are character models though, it's not as bad as traitor command I guess.

Dropping out from a helicopter is less bad then from a plane.

Considering Mallex is £17.50 on his own and is comparable to the other characters in BSF, five characters at a similar price point isn't that terrible, so sure, helicopter is better than a plane.

Except that Mallex is an actual character on his own sprue. These Escalation "characters" are 2-3 pieces miniature shoved into a tiny sprue together.

I'd pay the 110$ if they are each on their own sprue like Mallex.

And he's five pieces, there's really not that much of a difference...

I'm not defending GW's pricing, but it's worth noting that it's a decent deal for those characters if you can look past the likelihood they'll never see 40k game time.

EDIT: Some of the characters can definitely be used as generic models in 40k which is something you couldn't do with the base set.

I think my issue is ever believing that a plastic character on a single sprue, regardless of how cool it looks, will never be worth $35.

I guess I would have preferred a single new character, with one new enemy type, in an expansion if it would come in at around $50 or $60.

What is this 25% off stuff? I’ve literally never seen a GW product more than 15% off, as I thought that was a hard limit set by the company.

Quasistellar wrote:
What is this 25% off stuff? I’ve literally never seen a GW product more than 15% off, as I thought that was a hard limit set by the company.

GW has a maximum online discount rule, which means that stores that sell GW products can not advertise any discount greater than 15% (which is why places like GameNerdz require you to add GW daily sale items to your cart to see what the sale price is), and sales greater than 15% must be limited to short sales. You can't give a permanent discount of 25% to GW products without GW no longer selling to you.

Basically, 15% is the best you are going to get online, but a FLGS could potentially offer a greater discount (they rarely do though). This is specifically in the US though. I've heard of some UK stores that offer better discounts.

(Should be noted that Privateer Press and Asmodee/FFG have similar agreements, but Corvus Belli does not, and you can get Infinity stuff from places like GameNerdz for 25%-30% off).

Regardless, if $110 US s the price, that’s a HARD pass. I’ll just pick up combat arena, as I only really want the heroes anyway.

Quasistellar wrote:
Regardless, if $110 US s the price, that’s a HARD pass. I’ll just pick up combat arena, as I only really want the heroes anyway.

Good luck with that, as it's sold through at Barnes & Noble(the only place currently stocking it).

Also, it's $40 for just that.

UK independent stores do indeed offer up to 25% off. I regularly order from Dark Sphere who have 25% off online, 20% off in store, but if you spend over £100 in store you get 25% off there as well

robbienw wrote:
UK independent stores do indeed offer up to 25% off. I regularly order from Dark Sphere who have 25% off online, 20% off in store, but if you spend over £100 in store you get 25% off there as well

Do they ship outside UK? The Sterling will soon be worth less than bottlecaps so it is starting to seem really silly to pay the inflated Euro prices...

Damn everyone outside the UK really does pay a TON more for GW stuff. The currency conversion plus VAT plus local sales tax.

Also, I don’t really need luck to pick up a game at Barnes and Noble. I just walk in and grab it. $40 for a full (albeit simple) game with five models is actually reasonable for a board game.

Since the 5 explorer models are available for $40 (five models ($8 each), plus boards and cards) the chaos guys are basically $70 for 8 more models (also 8.75 model) These are slightly nicer than the old Dark Vengeance chaos cultists but those are $2 each so that's a crazy increase. (mad I wish one could still get the chaos cultists leaders from that)

That said it sounds like more work was done on the game design for this in terms of "story" and having the characters personalities come out in the rules in some manner. I can accept paying for it, but of course I'd like it to be cheaper.

Quasistellar wrote:
Damn everyone outside the UK really does pay a TON more for GW stuff. The currency conversion plus VAT plus local sales tax.

Also, I don’t really need luck to pick up a game at Barnes and Noble. I just walk in and grab it. $40 for a full (albeit simple) game with five models is actually reasonable for a board game.

To be fair, due to reasons we can't discuss on Dakka, the GBP is currently losing value at a great rate of knots, making the already wonky GW currency conversion worse.

Combat Arena consists of a small board, cards, and rules that are self-contained and don't carry over to BSF.

If Escalation follows the pattern set down by the other two? There's a book of fluff, a book of rules, new tiles, and some other bits. It's not just "oh look here's Cultists for $70".

I don't think it's too out there to pay around $20 for a new playable character with all their rules and stuff. And $30 for a new enemy type including 8 models of that new type, with some boards and new missions and what not would seem like a pretty good deal, I think. But having to get it all together for $110 seems like a lot. But if you're actually going to use all four of the new characters maybe it isn't. There's just already more than enough characters, so having to buy four more characters in order to get the new enemy type is less than ideal.

I saw this Combat Arena yesterday. Its 40 bucks, and it is in the same vein as those other board games that GW put out there in Barnes and Noble. I'll buy the Escalation stuff, because it's at a decent price for me, added to the discount I get. Your welcome to get the Combat Arena thought, I think they are pretty much the same figures.

Individual heroes are already going for £20 on ebay, at least the Admech one. Him and the Psyker I see as having the most potential for 40K, assuming she isn't just a primaris psyker and has some additional quirk.
Admech, depending a little on FW (though mixed FW detachments are not that uncommon with AdMech) might be a little more significant depending on points. Having a 4th cheap Enginseer equivalent opens up a cheap two battalion option - and an Omnispex you can pass on to other units is decent enough a buff (ignores cover Onagers/Plasma-kats etc).

If the character has an omnispex buff that would be ace, I could really get the extra use out of that especially if it's not just a "MARS" unit (I usually play stygies).

callidusx3 wrote:
Price is out there and it appears to be US$110

Ahahahahahahahahanope

 Crimson wrote:

robbienw wrote:
UK independent stores do indeed offer up to 25% off. I regularly order from Dark Sphere who have 25% off online, 20% off in store, but if you spend over £100 in store you get 25% off there as well

Do they ship outside UK?

They do, but only to countries in the EU/EEA/EFTA. I suspect the shipping costs might be high though.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I like how we discuss pricing but neglect the fact that most countries have places you pay less than RRP. Especially USA and UK. Whatever the RRP is then I'll be paying 25% less.

I'm glad GW are supporting this, it's great and I'd rather proper models rather than zombicide type plastic. As far as 40k rules go, it's unrealistic to expect minor units to impact the game much and viability is purely from the competitive point of view. Which is not really going to be BSF's target audience IMO.

When prices come up first it's "but who pays that price"... then its "but they have expenses"... then its "but you don't really need it"...

What it says about a company that asked $110 for this has very little to do with what we end up paying. Regardless of what we pay, GW already made that extra money before you ever bought it. The same year GW allowed independent retailers to start selling at discounted prices online, leading upto it and following GW raised prices by 15-20% across its different lines... negating most if not all potential savings. When you look at how GW defines itself to it's shareholders... everything they do is intended to get you comfortable with a higher price or just accepting that higher price. $110 is too much... not everyone can just go out and buy discount product for a variety of reasons... but even $80-85 is too much. GW's slowly raising the temperature to boil up some frogs.

By allowing retailers to sell at discounts GW is able to get people used to seeing and then disregarding a price. They see its $150, but sure they're getting it at a steal for $115... ignoring it could have been bought for $115 before... but now that $150 is in the back of your mind and when you or others see that model, they see it as a $150 model, not a $115 model... Next when GW raises the price from $150 to $170, you react by saying "but what does that matter not as if I pay that price" but eventually you will.

Even Getting Started boxes are just designed to acclimate you to spending around $100 at a time. Starter boxes will either get you used to fronting up more money than you want to spend for the half of the box you do want, until you can sell the other half... or it gets you to think of individual components with a nebulous value in the context of the set's price; that frames your point of reference around that higher number. You think of its value as a fraction of that set's price instead of saying has X,Y, and Z about this really elevated the value of raw plastic pellets into something that I should pay this much for... and you end up saying "I got a deal" when in fact in the context of other plastic products you very likely didn't...

Yep. I find it pretty remarkable how many people (across systems) seem to think things are good deals, like the $25-35 sort of prices for character models. Just because something is cheaper than something horribly overpriced doesn't mean it's a good deal, or even not overpriced: it just means it isn't as expensive as something more expensive.

While I know some people are more prone to jump on something when they see it at a discount, I think more people fall into the "I'd pay X amount for this product", regardless of how it gets there.

Sure, you have some people who simply live by the "never pay retail" mantra because it ...makes them happy or feel smart or something. I think most people are more in the above camp though. For instance, there have been some GW boxes at $150 which are actually almost worth that much, even without discount.

Other large boxes are simply not, even with discount. However the price gets there, I look at the value of how much money is being plunked down for what.

110 USD? Yikes! GW seems intent on making me never expand BSF. I really enjoy the game and the core box is a good value (to me), but these expansions are outrageous. At 75 USD if there was a lot of extra content outside the models, I would have definitely bought this. At 110 it's a very easy pass.

I can't think of another board game expansion that is over $100 (maybe Kingdom Death Monster?). It is pretty much unheard of to have a $110 expansion that can't be used without a $150 boxed game. At half the price ($55), it would still be on the upper end of most expansions.

I mean, even by GW standards, that's extreme. Rogue Trader was over $100, but you really only need a $35 book to play it. I really wish I could sit in on the strategy meeting where they decided to sell this game at twice the price of everything else on the market...

I'm fine with 110US$ expansion as long as there're effort and investment putting into it, not this cost-saving low effort product.

This would have been Warhammer-underworld style explorer pack with similar price. Oh wait they only charge WU expansion at 30$ because they had to compete with X-Wing.

Honestly, I'm really excited about the servitor, and that's it. It's the same reason I have the Kroot guy and the Imperial Robot.

KD has some big expansions: a couple are $150, but for that you get a greater daemon to imperial knight sized monster, a half-dozen human characters with a ton of extra parts (and one has a primarch sized character), and they come with hundreds of cards.

Both plastic and paper content are way more substantial than BSF. I like BSF a lot as a light and pretty dungeon crawl, but I don't think I like it $110 for a new boss; some probably minor variant goons; some new player characters, when I expect all of that content will be equally fluffy and basic.

FYI some 40k rules are up. The winner to me (as I’d hoped!) appears to be the techpriest. His archaeotech heal d3 wounds ability is different than the normal repair wounds ability that AdMech has, so you could potentially do both at once to heal 2d3 wounds on something. <EDIT> And THEN use the tech adept stratagem to do one again for a total of 3d3 repairs!

That’s not to mention his Omniscanner ability to give friendly units within 6” +1 to hit vs a single enemy unit. Get kataphron destroyers with plasma culverins within 24” and proceed to annihilate. It’s like the 2cp stratagem but free, except the range restriction.

Second place (imo) goes to the psycher’s psychic augment ability.

No doubt the cultists and rogue trader will continue to be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions.

40K rules preview:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/23/taking-it-beyond-the-fortressgw-homepage-post-1/

I like how Rogue Trader, obscenely wealthy individual with access to the best tech AM has to offer, has worse pistols than what some hobos can bang together from scraps in damp cave. Maybe she should have hired the baldy, not hoody boys when she was purchasing supplies?

Quasistellar wrote:
FYI some 40k rules are up. The winner to me (as I’d hoped!) appears to be the techpriest. His archaeotech heal d3 wounds ability is different than the normal repair wounds ability that AdMech has, so you could potentially do both at once to heal 2d3 wounds on something. <EDIT> And THEN use the tech adept stratagem to do one again for a total of 3d3 repairs!

That’s not to mention his Omniscanner ability to give friendly units within 6” +1 to hit vs a single enemy unit. Get kataphron destroyers with plasma culverins within 24” and proceed to annihilate. It’s like the 2cp stratagem but free, except the range restriction.

Second place (imo) goes to the psycher’s psychic augment ability.

No doubt the cultists and rogue trader will continue to be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions.

The Techpriest as well will likely be hamstrung by horrific keyword restrictions. It would be one thing if he represents a new 'class' of Techpriest, but if he's a character? He's going to be faction locked to Mars.

The price for the cultists is off.

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

35 for 7 guardsmen and a flamer? I thought that should be 7x5+6=41? (Not positive on chapter approved prices)

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The price for the cultists is off.

If you mean they got their weapons for free, same thing is true of the traitor guard from core BSF.

Nope, they pay for the flamer.
In their unit price.
Which makes these follows interesting.

35 for 7 guardsmen and a flamer? I thought that should be 7x5+6=41? (Not positive on chapter approved prices)

7X4 plus 7 pre ca i believe.

I'm almost positive it was post-5 point guard. BSF isn't that old.

Either way, IMHO 7 w/ GL/HS is way nicer than 7 w/ flamer, even if they end up with a 6+ save.

Don't forget the Traitor Guard get a Krak grenade too.

Woo. Important that Krak grenade...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Don't forget the Traitor Guard get a Krak grenade too.

Woo. Important that Krak grenade...

As someone that has a r&h army, any bsf villain unit makes me want to hammer my head on my table

Ayup, no splitting characters here.

Cultist half is interesting though!
The Firebrand is by himself:


Cultists are all one frame:


The Firebrand being by himself makes those "Renegades and Heretics" codex rumors a bit more plausible, in my opinion.

I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

There's a potentially interesting argument to be made about this with regards to the way the new Space Marines Doctrines work.

If your army includes any units that aren't Adeptus Astartes, you lose that perk...but if the unit doesn't take up a FOC slot does it remove stuff like that?

Cultists autoguns, upper left corner, agripna pattern i believe, same as fw renegades.

I seriously hope we get these in a cultist kit.
Pls

Just once i want propper autoguns.

No wonder why the Firebrand look so much better than the rest.

Prices up.

£65 base and about £50 off Wayland.

I'll take it at 50, 65 is a bit of a push for my tastes

These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

If only an 'upgraded' Obsidius Mallex figure had been included - that would definitely have made the price point more tolerable.

I still hope they have a pack in the works that features more unique enemies, per the spindle drones.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

Mole Mortars!

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I see that GW are still convinced not taking up a force-org slot is some kind of advantage.

To be fair, it used to be a pretty nice bonus - 3 editions ago Now that GW writers failed to notice memo that not one but two recent 40K editions pretty much require you to fill as many slots as possible, you might as well start giving points reduction for this 'rule'...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only bought Traitor Command this month!

Ah well. Shall await price and plan accordingly.

I bought it (and painted the two models) a couple of days ago, to get it out the way before getting this expansion.


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mortar_crew wrote:
These cultiists are cool.
It would be nice to have some heavy wea@pn team on this design.
Mortar...

mortars? In a cave? That won't end well.

Well from the pictures there are some very large spaces in the strutuctures, but
I agree.
I was thinking about their use in 40K anyway.

Clockpunk wrote:
If only an 'upgraded' Obsidius Mallex figure had been included - that would definitely have made the price point more tolerable.

I still hope they have a pack in the works that features more unique enemies, per the spindle drones.

Truthfully, had there been a second sprue of cultists, I would have gone for it. As is, its pretty much priced at double its worth to me.

Yeah, they really coulda spared another sprue of 7 goons. I might get one if I find a price I can take or down the line if I can get one in trade, but that price is awful for just the 7 goons and some decent characters.

At 110usd there is just no value in this boxed set for me. Disappointed as I really had seen potential in it, and the BSF in general. Doesn’t bode well for future WHQ’s of any variety.

Yeah, it's really light on models, and the entire WHQ line has simple enough content that it's hard to justify buying it for some flimsy rules.

Then again, everything for BSF has been overpriced.

okay, so if you made a maxed-out Servants of the Abyss list it would be:

Obsidius Mallex

A bunch of Traitor Commissars

Some Chaos Ogryn

A couple Black Legionaires

A unit of 4 Chaos Beastmen

2 units of Traitor Guardsmen

Unit of Cultists

Negavolt Cultists

Rogue Psychers


If these units were made "normal" (as in varying equipement and unit sizes, plus no restrictions on number taken) This would be a somewhat decent start to a codex.

 cuda1179 wrote:
okay, so if you made a maxed-out Servants of the Abyss list it would be:

Obsidius Mallex

A bunch of Traitor Commissars

Some Chaos Ogryn

A couple Black Legionaires

A unit of 4 Chaos Beastmen

2 units of Traitor Guardsmen

Unit of Cultists

Negavolt Cultists

Rogue Psychers


If these units were made "normal" (as in varying equipement and unit sizes, plus no restrictions on number taken) This would be a somewhat decent start to a codex.

Yeah if only mallex hasn't his great rule.

I agree the sets are too much. I will be looking to see if I can just pick up the cardboard components for the game and proxy the enemy models. The only hero models I'm interested is the paladin/knight character and the duelist.

I have found that the card components tend to go up on ebay at overly expensive prices because I think it's people who want the models and need to maximize their gain from the card.

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

 porkuslime wrote:
Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

According to GW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/06/white-dwarf-preview-septembergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/

It's a real shame there isn't a focus on the xenos rather than more Imperial retinue characters.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
It's a real shame there isn't a focus on the xenos rather than more Imperial retinue characters.

ya know, it's also a shame that we don't get the cultists, or electropriests, or traitor guardsmen as propper sets.

 Flinty wrote:

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

I disagree. On eBay just 7-10 days ago (in the U.S.A.), I was able to get non-miniature components for Escalation for $20 shipped. I acquired Traitor Command without minis for $18 shipped as well. Those are some pretty good deals. And being able to get Escalation's Imperium figures from Combat Arena at B&N for $34 makes it a pretty decent way of getting Escalation at about half off. Those cultist figures can easily be proxied by the old cultist figures (with some minor conversions for the grenade launcher and heavy flamer).

At these prices I am willing to pick up Warhammer Quest expansions. Sadly I haven't been able to find the Dreaded Ambul at an affordable price.

callidusx3 wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

I think it's better to buy the expansion yourself with a nice reduction from a 3rd party and then sell the models yourself. Even if you want to keep a couple of the characters, you can probably sell the rest of the models for enough to cover the cost of the expansion.

I disagree. On eBay just 7-10 days ago (in the U.S.A.), I was able to get non-miniature components for Escalation for $20 shipped. I acquired Traitor Command without minis for $18 shipped as well. Those are some pretty good deals. And being able to get Escalation's Imperium figures from Combat Arena at B&N for $34 makes it a pretty decent way of getting Escalation at about half off. Those cultist figures can easily be proxied by the old cultist figures (with some minor conversions for the grenade launcher and heavy flamer).

At these prices I am willing to pick up Warhammer Quest expansions. Sadly I haven't been able to find the Dreaded Ambul at an affordable price.

I did this exact same thing as well, $110 for an expansion was beyond the pale.

But if you buy it yourself and sell the models.yourself you are not at the mercy of waiting for others to present a reasonable deal.

I mean either way works, but I just think that you can get a better deal by being the seller yourself.

Chopstick wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
Evidently the September White Dwarf has rules for 2 Ogryn bodyguards, according to someone on BGG..

According to GW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/06/white-dwarf-preview-septembergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-2/

Spoiler:

Seems to me that those rules could have done with a bit of proof-reading, as unless I missed something, one of the Ogryns has an attack that they never use. Plus, the first rule of the supplied scenario is that no player can ever draw a discovery card for any reason, but a roll of 20 on the supplied event table specifically for the scenario says you should draw a discovery card.

Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?
...GW sometimes doesn't bother to test their content?

Free content is all well and good, but it'd be nice for it to be decently written.

Feeling like there's a bit of a rules bloat for BSF now with all of the White Dwarf articles they release. I don't collect WD and it's an effort to grab them for a couple of pages.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?


...GW doesn't bother to test their content 75%.

there fixed it for you.

I can't tell what's wrong with the rules from that one page.

See Tavis75's comments: one of the weapon stat lines isn't usable, and a scenario special rule precludes a result on the scenario table.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?
...GW sometimes doesn't bother to test their content?

White Dwarf containing garbled nonsense? Imagine my shock.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Thanks, GW.

What that sort of stuff makes me wonder is, are those errors because...

...of last-minute changes that didn't get caught?
...multiple people made assumptions or skimmed?
...GW sometimes doesn't bother to test their content?

White Dwarf containing garbled nonsense? Imagine my shock.

Wait so Erm...
.
wtf did i just read!?!
Accessability vs working tight ruleset?
Therefore working tight ruleset equal bad for accessability?!?

Wtf.

Yeah... it's like GW never got to the 21st century w/ gaming. There's, uh, a lot of hubris and assumptions in there. Then again, I guess that explains how the rules got where they are.

Also, Damocles, 100% in agreement with you on FAQ vs. errata. FAQ entries should be nearly completely unnecessary for seasoned players, and have little to no impact on the game: they are correcting a lack of clarity. Errata are correcting mechanical failings. They're just plain different categories of fixing play experience.

JJ articles - the Kirby Preambles of game design.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Also, Damocles, 100% in agreement with you on FAQ vs. errata. FAQ entries should be nearly completely unnecessary for seasoned players, and have little to no impact on the game: they are correcting a lack of clarity. Errata are correcting mechanical failings. They're just plain different categories of fixing play experience.

The problem is that GW often uses FAQs not to correct things but to outright change things. Worse, they sometimes use fluff justifications to explain away rules issues.

I will never forget the 3.5 Chaos Codex FAQ that stated that some Khornate rule (it's been a while) couldn't make you fly faster as "being angry doesn't make a Jetpack faster", ignoring the fact that the rule (Daemonic Flight) was not specifically jump packs but also covered big wings.

Drove me up the wall.

Everybody can make mistakes but I hate the absence of FAQ & Errata (see https://yaktribe.games/community/threads/collected-errors-typos-in-the-book-of-judgement.9166/) and GW high command stopping their rules writers from admitting poor editing and actual errors.

Painfully obvious in the Necromunda debacle, where obvious errors are explained as being correct (using lame excuses).

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
See Tavis75's comments: one of the weapon stat lines isn't usable, and a scenario special rule precludes a result on the scenario table.

As HBMC says, the one available page tells me nothing. Do you and Tavis75 have advance access to the magazine?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
See Tavis75's comments: one of the weapon stat lines isn't usable, and a scenario special rule precludes a result on the scenario table.

As HBMC says, the one available page tells me nothing. Do you and Tavis75 have advance access to the magazine?

Yep, my subscription copy arrived on Monday.

The event table one seems pretty clear-cut as an error (seems they copied the standard event table and just added a new scenario specific event in the middle without checking whether the rest of the events made sense).

I may be missing something with the Ogryn but he has a "Shield Bash" attack, and being a retinue character has a list of actions he can make in various circumstances, which never include the shield bash. Had a look through the rules in case there was some special case where he would use it and couldn't see anything, but it's possible I missed something.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Also, Damocles, 100% in agreement with you on FAQ vs. errata. FAQ entries should be nearly completely unnecessary for seasoned players, and have little to no impact on the game: they are correcting a lack of clarity. Errata are correcting mechanical failings. They're just plain different categories of fixing play experience.

The problem is that GW often uses FAQs not to correct things but to outright change things. Worse, they sometimes use fluff justifications to explain away rules issues.

I will never forget the 3.5 Chaos Codex FAQ that stated that some Khornate rule (it's been a while) couldn't make you fly faster as "being angry doesn't make a Jetpack faster", ignoring the fact that the rule (Daemonic Flight) was not specifically jump packs but also covered big wings.

Drove me up the wall.

Wasn't there also the infamous common sense ruling on Dogde in reaction to psy. As in use the background?

And then the psy power sometimes had multiple depictions... Like, Am i now allowed to dodge or not?
Or am i only alowed to dodge the bile of a nurgle sorcerer but not the lightning gascloud from slaanesh/ tzeentchian sorcerer?

Not Online!! sometimes is an old boy...

Ugh, really? Man, in a game with hive mind dinosaur bugs and missile machine guns and barbarian mushroom men and magic and space travel is the high seas of literal space hell that's been around for, what, a third of a century, with any number of retcons, they'll really pull "interpret it based on common sense lore"?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Ugh, really? Man, in a game with hive mind dinosaur bugs and missile machine guns and barbarian mushroom men and magic and space travel is the high seas of literal space hell that's been around for, what, a third of a century, with any number of retcons, they'll really pull "interpret it based on common sense lore"?

Granted that is old.
As in first 3 editions old.
The only thing that has changed is the Hybris of GW.
As in it increased

I've just emailed White Dwarf. May take a few days, but I'll copy the response here.

Does the new White Dwarf have cards for the Ogryns or just printed rules inside? I usually prefer the electronic version, but might buy the print one if it has cards this time.

Printed rules. The only card on it is the download code for Gotrek & Felix in Total Warhammer II

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Printed rules. The only card on it is the download code for Gotrek & Felix in Total Warhammer II

Thanks! Very helpful.

I tip my hat to Kevin Outlaw on BoardGame Geek:

I've fired them the question about shield bash. So hopefully they will address that at some point.

EDIT: They have confirmed it's a misprint (never!) and that shield slam is just an extra weapon action that unlocks when he inspires, so you can use it in the same way as the battle maul weapon action. I'm still trying to establish whether he's supposed to go up to 3 actions as well, as other retinue characters get an extra action when they inspire.

EDIT 2: And they say that he stays at 2 actions. However, I'm not convinced. They used the argument that ogryns are slow on the uptake, ignoring the fact that the other ogryn does get an extra action when inspiring.

EDIT- Got an email about them. You only get Discovery cards from the event table that expedition. You can thank me later.....

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/29/coming-soon-grym-watchers-abominable-intelligence-sporty-saurus-and-an-action-figure/

Basically:
1.New cards that ratchet the difficulty(you'll need the extra boxes).
2.The minis that came with BSF and Escalation.

Personally, I expect both boxes to sell out, but only to be used as proxies for Renegades and cultists.....

Whaat? GW is doing a sensible thing and releasing the renegades AND new cultists in stand alone boxes?

Inconceivable!


Though I note the Servants box is just half of the renegades and includes 1 marine, 1 psyker and 2 of the random stuff (ur-ghul, bots, beasts, dark mech)

Still... one of those and two of the newer cultists' box may well be a purchase.

I'm sure there's absolutely no reason at all why the Servants box contains what it does...


Blackstone Fortress contained doubles of that frame.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Blackstone Fortress contained doubles of that frame.

Yes? I'm aware.
I just would've liked both frames in the stand alone box as well.

Would've rather loved to see the heroes of Escalation go on sale on their own, but alas.

 BrookM wrote:
Would've rather loved to see the heroes of Escalation go on sale on their own, but alas.

They did, at Barnes and Noble US, with a bunch of extra cardboard and cards. Lacked the 40k rules datasheets though. Great price even, paid $38 for the Combat Arena box with the 5 models.

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/toys-games-warhammer-40000-combat-arena/33834794

Will these mean that they remove the silly limits on how many of these units you can include in 40K?

 Crimson wrote:
Will these mean that they remove the silly limits on how many of these units you can include in 40K?

What limits? Just use them as chaos cultists. Only problematic model is the guy with grenade launcher.

Voss wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Will these mean that they remove the silly limits on how many of these units you can include in 40K?

What limits? Just use them as chaos cultists. Only problematic model is the guy with grenade launcher.

They have their own datasheets and those have limits on how many units you can take. The rules allow only taking the amount that comes in one BSF box.

I'm aware. But they aren't really distinguishable from cultists, so use them as cultists. All the problems go away.

I like how the Community article says

All of these models also have rules for Warhammer 40,000 and would make a great addition to a Chaos army...

But you can't make a non-Auxiliary detachment because there are no HQs; and you can't just add the units to another Chaos detachment
The Ur-Ghuls can't be used in Chaos armies
The Spindle Drones are only half a unit
The Beastmen are only half a unit
The Negavolts are only half a unit

Sure, you can buy two boxes, but then you still can't make an actual detachment.

Assuming the datasheets in this box aren't updated to allow larger units in 40K

 parakuribo wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/29/coming-soon-grym-watchers-abominable-intelligence-sporty-saurus-and-an-action-figure/

Basically:
1.New cards that ratchet the difficulty(you'll need the extra boxes).
2.The minis that came with BSF and Escalation.

Personally, I expect both boxes to sell out, but only to be used as proxies for Renegades and cultists.....

Wait they listened? When is the September wd out?

September White Dwarf is already out.

Aeneades wrote:
September White Dwarf is already out.

so i should still be able to buy one for the rules.

Bit a shame that only one sprue is in the box for not the full squads.

guess better then nothing...

That's a really bad way to sell the core set. They should have just sold the two sprues as one boxset.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
That's a really bad way to sell the core set. They should have just sold the two sprues as one boxset.

(maybee add some options for the guardsmen?)

But yeah, have we a price yet?

so, the question is if the Servants of the Abyss is priced competitively with just buying a second copy of the game. I'm gonna guess it reaches 60-70 bucks, which means you could basically get a second set of explorers for marginal cost. not a bad deal if you want to paint a set for 40k.

Well, so far nothing with the Blackstone Fortress label has been priced with anything approaching sanity, so my guess is no, these won't be worth it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, so far nothing with the Blackstone Fortress label has been priced with anything approaching sanity, so my guess is no, these won't be worth it.

Safe bet.
I 'd buy the traitor guard and friends at 60 chf though.

Price, from Faeit, Spikeybit, BOLS.

Cultist : 15£/25US$

Servant : 25£/40US$

Actually pretty cheap especially Cultists, The firebrand himself is a full character on his own sprue.

Gonna get a few of those cultist box, shocking pricing for 2019 GW


So we did actually paid 110US$ for those cardboard and card

Escalation pack is crazy cheap for 8 unique minis. Half the price of a 8-man Warcry warband.

Also makes for the cheapest single-purchase Necromunda gang.

Depending on price banding and discounts I might be happy that Ihaven't bought any BSF dudes from ebay so far. Might be cheaper/come with "free" minis in comparison from GW. Is hell frozen over?

Chopstick wrote:
Price, from Faeit, Spikeybit, BOLS.

Cultist : 15£/25US$

Servant : 25£/40US$

Actually pretty cheap especially Cultists, The firebrand himself is a full character on his own sprue.

Gonna get a few of those cultist box, shocking pricing for 2019 GW


So we did actually paid 110US$ for those cardboard and card

I would be stunned if that was true, but even if it is, it'll easily be double that out here.

well if they're right I shall be delighted but i'm not convinced

I heard the same prices from a FLGS manager yesterday.

That would be great pricing from gw for once?

I've just ordered Escalation and the two card sets from Element Games.

Twixt 167 Crystals, their discount and UK prices, I'm genuinely feeling guilty.

Empathy with peeps in other countries.

BF-04 Blackstone Fortress: Abominable Intellect - Cards - £10 RRP

(if that hasn't been posted yet?)

and the other stuff is indeed priced as mentioned above (bargain)

Okay, I'm curious for input on playing the game solo. I have the base game painte,d and the Ambull in box. I played a few missions with a buddy, but I"ve since moved, and I doubt I'll have anybody to play with any time soon.

I'm ready to start over and play through solo, but there is not so much content, I'm not sure where to begin. Should I just play the base game, paint the ambull, and then add that after I finish? Should I buy escalation and paint that before I start?

Any input would be helpful!

I'm playing through it solo. It's quite good fun even in your own I view it as a challenge to see how much good kit you can grab in between missions and then totally tool up your team

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
BF-04 Blackstone Fortress: Abominable Intellect - Cards - £10 RRP

(if that hasn't been posted yet?)

and the other stuff is indeed priced as mentioned above (bargain)

Releases when though?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
BF-04 Blackstone Fortress: Abominable Intellect - Cards - £10 RRP

(if that hasn't been posted yet?)

and the other stuff is indeed priced as mentioned above (bargain)

Releases when though?

This Sat, as it was revealed to be up for preorder immanently last Sun

Tastyfish wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
BF-04 Blackstone Fortress: Abominable Intellect - Cards - £10 RRP

(if that hasn't been posted yet?)

and the other stuff is indeed priced as mentioned above (bargain)

Releases when though?

This Sat, as it was revealed to be up for preorder immanently last Sun

I should be technically able to get them at flgs then.
I guess my daemon side project can wait a bit.

Ah, as in preorder 5th Oct, release on the 12th - assuming that you don't know a guy...

For anyone that has the Escalation expansion, do you need to use the new hero characters in the escalation expansion to play through those missions? Or can you use the heroes from the boxed game?

Chopstick wrote:
Price, from Faeit, Spikeybit, BOLS.

Cultist : 15£/25US$

Servant : 25£/40US$

That's surprisingly nice.

How much would be them translating to GW euro taxed prices? (They don't make real currency exchange, € prices are always way more expensive than they should be with actual currency conversion rates...)

 Warpspy wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Price, from Faeit, Spikeybit, BOLS.

Cultist : 15£/25US$

Servant : 25£/40US$

That's surprisingly nice.

How much would be them translating to GW euro taxed prices? (They don't make real currency exchange, € prices are always way more expensive than they should be with actual currency conversion rates...)

There are EU price but I find them to be complete nonsense so I didn't list it.

October WD:

Big Dakka For Hire

Rules for using a new retinue character in your games of Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress – and a certain Flash Git known as Skarburn Zapdakka!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/04/white-dwarf-preview-octobergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-4/

Do hope these get collated into some sort of book later.

I'd go further than that and hope that not only do they compile everything in a book at some point but have actual physical cards rather than junk printed in the magazine.

That irked me with a lot of the Quest and Gore Chosen rules they had.

Yeah, as much as I like the game, the price is a dog. 100% spot on about the cards, too.

Do I smell Orks incoming? hmmmm….

Prices for EU are not correct, atleast for us, cultist are 25chf, the soa are 40.5chf

Switzerland’s not in the EU and doesn’t use the Euro, though.

Also, a typo in that image; the cultists are €20.

I hope.this means that GW has finally found and taken note.of a price ceiling for this stuff and even if it's too late for BSF, the next fantasy warhammer.quest will be better priced.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Switzerland’s not in the EU and doesn’t use the Euro, though.

Also, a typo in that image; the cultists are €20.

Whilest that is correct the cultists would be significantly cheaper as priced whilest the soa would be more expensive.
Still the price is astoundingly low.

From the webstore description, it appears that the new boxsets don't include the 40K rules for the units.

Which is odd - because if you need Blackstone Fortress to get the rules for the Servants of the Abyss, you'll already have all of the models which you can actually use, so why would you ever buy the expansion?

Because the new card set makes the game harder apparently requiring more models to play.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
For anyone that has the Escalation expansion, do you need to use the new hero characters in the escalation expansion to play through those missions? Or can you use the heroes from the boxed game?

Can anyone help me out with this? Do you need to use the Escalation characters to play through the Escalation missions?

I don't believe so. The expansion rules just states that the new characters get added to the roster of available explorers.

 Flinty wrote:
I don't believe so. The expansion rules just states that the new characters get added to the roster of available explorers.

Okay, thanks. Since it sounded like one of the missions involved finding the servitor, I wasn't sure if you needed to use the tech priest, or if it was written assuming you are using those four characters.

Nope. The servitor is controlled by the current party leader. So it doesnt matter who is currently on the team, and 3veryone gets a turn as leadership is rotated around the group.

Pre-order “soon”:

More to Explore
Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress is an amazing game, full of diverse characters and exciting missions. But why stop there? The Blackstone Fortress Annual is packed not only with 2019’s White Dwarf articles for the game, but additional rules to boost the challenge level, some epic side quests and rules for all the available Retinue Characters! This is the essential book for every Blackstone Fortress gaming group.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/01/coming-soon-chaos-cults-ogre-teams-war-in-rohan-and-more/

Sounds interesting, although I'm still playing through the original campaign

Did GW ever introduce rules for using any Rogue Trader Kill Team characters (Elucia Vahne, Prond, etc.) in Blackstone Fortress?

It would be cool to have more Eldar related stuff for BSF.

Yeah, I feel like they've missed the boat a bit by focusing so much on the Imperium and Chaos fight rather than focus on the weird and alien that would be expected from a Blackstone Fortress on the edge of known space.

Eldar corsairs!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Yeah, I feel like they've missed the boat a bit by focusing so much on the Imperium and Chaos fight rather than focus on the weird and alien that would be expected from a Blackstone Fortress on the edge of known space.

I said ages ago that cool expansion would have been the party delving deeper into the BSF, and finding larger version of the Spindle Drones, as the more invasive people get the more determined the automated defences become.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Yeah, I feel like they've missed the boat a bit by focusing so much on the Imperium and Chaos fight rather than focus on the weird and alien that would be expected from a Blackstone Fortress on the edge of known space.

I said ages ago that cool expansion would have been the party delving deeper into the BSF, and finding larger version of the Spindle Drones, as the more invasive people get the more determined the automated defences become.

I think it's one of the main failings outside of the expansions being pretty pricey. BSFs are massive and I can understand barely scratching the surface but I really hope they'll delve into it in the new year.

Side note, anyone looking at the annual? Depending on the price it might be a good buy!

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Sounds interesting, although I'm still playing through the original campaign

Did GW ever introduce rules for using any Rogue Trader Kill Team characters (Elucia Vahne, Prond, etc.) in Blackstone Fortress?

That is a negative.


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 Dr Mathias wrote:
Sounds interesting, although I'm still playing through the original campaign

Did GW ever introduce rules for using any Rogue Trader Kill Team characters (Elucia Vahne, Prond, etc.) in Blackstone Fortress?

That is a negative.

However if you pick up the Escalation card components you could probably use the Starstrider models as proxies.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
For anyone that has the Escalation expansion, do you need to use the new hero characters in the escalation expansion to play through those missions? Or can you use the heroes from the boxed game?

Can anyone help me out with this? Do you need to use the Escalation characters to play through the Escalation missions?

You can play with any team. You don't have to just use the new guys, they are additions with additional capabilities to bring to the table. There are a few more coming down the pipe as well. The Ranger, the Ogryn, the Ork with the snazzgun… The new team, as well as the Inquisitor from the Kill Team boxed set.


What Escalation is is an addition, it's as if you got to the higher spyers of the Blackstone fortress, and found more... interesting stuff. If I were a betting man, I would expect that we will be seeing some additional Chaos Space Marine contingents showing up as well.

An additional discussion- Those guys are going to die up there. You are going to need suckers... er reinforcements to take the dead mens places.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/05/blackstone-fortress-wrath-of-the-daemonkingw-homepage-post-2/

New article up!

More Chaos...

Well. That was misleading. Thought you meant new chaos models, not some jabber about a mission in the annual that uses a few chaos models from shadowspear.

That's on you I'm afraid!

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
That's on you I'm afraid!

All you wrote was 'new article up, more chaos.' For a product line that produces chaos figures and one random alien.
I was working with the information provided.

If you had said, 'article on the BF annual' it wouldn't have been misleading.

The Blackstone has obviously become much more accepting of Chaos controlling it since that whole incident with the cancrum...

It wouldn't hurt to add some more non Chaos foes.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The Blackstone has obviously become much more accepting of Chaos controlling it since that whole incident with the cancrum...

It wouldn't hurt to add some more non Chaos foes.

Pretty good opportunity for duke sliscus and corsairs. In fact, I’ve been a but surprised we haven’t seen any since forge world squatted their corsairs.

ZOAT coming up next, a 60$ one! (probably)



That said probably another pass for me unless it come with an explorer.

we got an ambull, we got a zoat - fingers.crossed.for.them to complete the rogue trader trifecta and give us 40k fishmen!

Now, heres the big question. Can I use it for gsc?

Catchcan Devil up next

Pretty good modern update.

Is the zoat an ennemy or a playable character?

I will happily pick one up. I miss the Zoats of old, and this one looks to be a ton larger.

I'm hoping it's at least plastic dragon ogre size.

If it was an enemy I wonder if we'll see any other vaguely Tyranid related baddies at some point?

I mean, I'd be totally fine playing him as a hero, but that's just me and my strange preferences...

It’s not specified in the article but the wording does sound like enemy rather than hero.

Probably an enemy, probably $60 and probably won't come with a new explorer.

I'll probably pick it up though - the nostalgia factor is strong in this one!

Yeah, the Zoat will probably be like the Ambul expansion. One big model with some tokens, cards and a mini campaign in which it’s the main adversary.

Aeneades wrote:
It’s not specified in the article but the wording does sound like enemy rather than hero.

Could be an enemy, could be a Retinue character.

Apparently he's called "The Archivist"?

I'm so hoping he gets 40k rules and the 'Unaligned' keyword

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm hoping it's at least plastic dragon ogre size.

If it was an enemy I wonder if we'll see any other vaguely Tyranid related baddies at some point?

I mean, I'd be totally fine playing him as a hero, but that's just me and my strange preferences...

What did you have in mind for tyranid related baddies? Catachan Devils?


A Zoat hero isn't that unreasonable. That's what they functionally were in WFB, and 40k Zoats free of the tyranid's pheromones could have hero profiles and psychic powers.

Voss wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm hoping it's at least plastic dragon ogre size.

If it was an enemy I wonder if we'll see any other vaguely Tyranid related baddies at some point?

I mean, I'd be totally fine playing him as a hero, but that's just me and my strange preferences...

What did you have in mind for tyranid related baddies? Catachan Devils?


A Zoat hero isn't that unreasonable. That's what they functionally were in WFB, and 40k Zoats free of the tyranid's pheromones could have hero profiles and psychic powers.

Catachan devils would be awesome. And would be a thematic release if that rumor engine is indeed related to plastic Catachan. Though, we already have a buggy enemy in the form of the ambull, and devils tend to be massive. (Unless they sell it as a young one, which you should kill before it grows too big)

Voss wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm hoping it's at least plastic dragon ogre size.

If it was an enemy I wonder if we'll see any other vaguely Tyranid related baddies at some point?

I mean, I'd be totally fine playing him as a hero, but that's just me and my strange preferences...

What did you have in mind for tyranid related baddies?

Grabber-Slashers and Mind-Slavers (and slaves).

BSF actually seems like a place for a couple Enslavers and some thralls to appear.

The Zoat is awesome.

Agree that the power of nostalgia compels me in this case.

...and the desire to use it in Wrath & Glory.

Ooooooh! I may fail my Will save on that Zoat! The nostalgia....it beckons!

New expansion

"No Respite"

So much excitement for Zoat...

GW: have some existing E-Z build Nurgle models in a pricey BF box.




Every other thing for BF has at least been a new sculpt, most of which were pretty good to excellent. This is...

I guess the Fortress isn't bothered by Nurgle incursions any more then..?

Voss wrote:
So much excitement for Zoat...

GW: have some existing E-Z build Nurgle models in a pricey BF box.




Every other thing for BF has at least been a new sculpt, most of which were pretty good to excellent. This is...

Actually sorta surprised they didn't throw the Zoat in this boxing of already available cheap nurgle minis then charge $250 for it.....

Dudes.

It’s more play. That’s never a bad thing,

Hang.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dudes.

It’s more play. That’s never a bad thing,

Hang.

Or at least wait to see how much the card element of the box costs before kicking off

damn i thought i quit buying expansions already. i can always be wrong

I'll be interested to see if this is cheaper than the expansions with new minis in

if so its excellent (although I wouldn't have said no to new poxwalker sculpts and a few more deathguard even if that was a bit more expensive)

I'm just getting tired of dealing with Chaos in this Xenos labyrinth. Hopefully the added gameplay makes up for it.

I hate having spare/extraneous miniatures. I already own these ones, and don't require any more poxwalkers.

And I wonder how much this'll cost compared to the 40K Starter that has the same minis.

Maybe it would have been better if these had been those three exclusive Plague Marines. Or some of those great space marine hero PMs

Can we now dispense with the extra punctuation marks in the thread title?

I know it’s unintended, but it is close to negative connotations, and at this point frankly pointless?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'll be interested to see if this is cheaper than the expansions with new minis in

if so its excellent (although I wouldn't have said no to new poxwalker sculpts and a few more deathguard even if that was a bit more expensive)

Considering those minis are $30 total (available right now), and the BF expansions have been $60, $60, and $110, it'd be a real travesty if they aren't.
The AoS box for Gloomspite is cheaper than buying that box and a half separately, even with the AoS cards.

GaroRobe wrote:
Maybe it would have been better if these had been those three exclusive Plague Marines. Or some of those great space marine hero PMs

Yeah, that would definitely have helped.

This is going to have to be pretty cheap.

 kilcin wrote:
I'm just getting tired of dealing with Chaos in this Xenos labyrinth. Hopefully the added gameplay makes up for it.

So much this. No more Nurgle (should be a campaign slogan for the Imperium), please. The ambull and now zoat are exactly what is needed. now just add more xeno tech smaller dudes.

What would be really awesome would be a set of xenos adventurers for next round. Like a sslyth, cryptek, big mek, and earth caste engineer.

Look like another 60$ expansion for 20-30 $ worth of miniature.

Should've been fine if this also include the super exclusive "plague marine reinforcement" that is now 40$ on the store.

The cards in front of the 'encounter' pack look like 'infection' and something 'level', which may be interesting, plus I would like to see how dangerous the grenade flail is. Let's just wait and see next week before we turn this aside. And yes, I would rather see something not chaos, like some inquisitor going after you or something...

Everyone wanting the Plague Brothers- They need glue, the E2B marines...well...don't. I really can't make it more obvious than that.

 bullyboy wrote:

 kilcin wrote:
I'm just getting tired of dealing with Chaos in this Xenos labyrinth. Hopefully the added gameplay makes up for it.

So much this. No more Nurgle (should be a campaign slogan for the Imperium), please.

I cannot agree enough.

What a low-effort release! Should have been a White Dwarf add-on, given how many of these minis people already own via starter sets and Conquest...

This is disappointing, the point of the Black Legion marines was that they were meant to be terrifying to meet. Now there’s 3 Plague Marines knocking about? BSF just builds you up then knocks you down hard.

Am I expected to pay £30+ for models I have half a dozen times just to get some new cards?

Kinda shame that they did not give us more xenos, or traitor guard instead. Nope they just had to give us these models, and i'd assume at a steep upcharge

One of the audio dramas, the Beast Inside, features a warband of Nurgle cultists trying to establish a foothold in the fortress. Probably not long now until the first Primaris beakie arrives.

Maybe they should consider packing some of their 30-35$ characters into this as explorer, and sell it for a slightly cheaper price than the total value. Game is already too simplistic and boring, different flavor of badie won't really help.

Would be an amazing plot twist if the Nurgle boyz were Explorers and the poxwalkers a retinue character (that happens to be multiple models like rein and raus) you could “hire” but that ain’t happening.

Chopstick wrote:
Maybe they should consider packing some of their 30-35$ characters into this as explorer, and sell it for a slightly cheaper price than the total value. Game is already too simplistic and boring, different flavor of badie won't really help.

When they repacked a lot of the clampack characters for kill team most of them ended up far more expensive than originally.

 parakuribo wrote:
The cards in front of the 'encounter' pack look like 'infection' and something 'level', which may be interesting, plus I would like to see how dangerous the grenade flail is. Let's just wait and see next week before we turn this aside. And yes, I would rather see something not chaos, like some inquisitor going after you or something...

Everyone wanting the Plague Brothers- They need glue, the E2B marines...well...don't. I really can't make it more obvious than that.

The Space Marine Heroes ones don't.

Euro price is equal to the Traitor Command box.

Traitor Command is AUD$105 (WTF?) for 2 miniatures plus the rules.

Those Death Guard minis are, combined AUD$50. So an extra $55 for rules/cards.

Ouch...

How much were the last couple of decks of cards they put out for BSF?

Wow this is actually a 60US$ box.


Put this in the top 10 prank that went too far.

If this really is a £37.50 box then it's probably the worst value box they've ever released.

You can get First Strike for £25 and you get 6 Primaris Marines in there as well.

Woof.....had this expansion been just the price of the two ETB kits combined and had some rules for the minis I could see picking up a kit for people to add some variety to their game, but at double that? Good luck moving this one GW.....these BSF expansions are just outrageously priced, but at least the other ones include new miniatures.

Ahahahah, oh wow GW.

...wait, you're serious? Eff that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Euro price is equal to the Traitor Command box.

Traitor Command is AUD$105 (WTF?) for 2 miniatures plus the rules.

Those Death Guard minis are, combined AUD$50. So an extra $55 for rules/cards.

Ouch...

Called it

Yeah, that's a terrible set at the price.

Radical thinking.

Maybe, just, I dunno, don’t buy it then?

Come now Grotsnik. You're better than that. And smarter.

But I genuinely don’t get it.

Expansion, so optional. People find it poor value.

What do we with things poor value?

Not buy them. I’m BSF daft, and have everything but the annual (I keep forgetting to buy it, but I will). This ‘un? Got the models already, so don’t fancy paying so much just for the card bits and additional rules. So I’m just.....not gonna buy it.

I’ll have that Zoat though. Oh yes, you’ll see.

Look like you answer your own question with your reason of not buying.


Maybe they should.......make new kit so people actually wanna buy it. Or at least have the price of the box not double the plastic value, or throw some cheap character kit in there as explorer., or using the "death guard reinforcement" kit instead....

That we’re agreed on. I just don’t get why it’s such a hot topic of conversation.

If perhaps this had a single exclusive, really nice sculpt? I’d get it.

But it doesn’t. Just a bunch of peeps harping on about ‘do not want’.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But I genuinely don’t get it.

Expansion, so optional. People find it poor value.

What do we with things poor value?

Not buy them. I’m BSF daft, and have everything but the annual (I keep forgetting to buy it, but I will). This ‘un? Got the models already, so don’t fancy paying so much just for the card bits and additional rules. So I’m just.....not gonna buy it.

I’ll have that Zoat though. Oh yes, you’ll see.

You`re making too much sence. You should stop that and start whining, you`re on the warhammer forums after all.

This set is no bueno, so vote with your wallet. People seem to confuse deluxe goods with mandatory taxes.
I just hope they make a fantasy version of Blackstone fortress one day... Again. The previous iteration is dead, probably partly because no new minis were introduced in the follow up to the Silver Tower. Lets hope the same thing doesn`t happen to BFortress

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Radical thinking.

Maybe, just, I dunno, don’t buy it then?

Yeah, that' what I've done so far.

Doesn't seem to be doing much. though, because they keep releasing more of these.


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
This set is no bueno, so vote with your wallet. People seem to confuse deluxe goods with mandatory taxes.

Maybe, just maybe, people are confusing low content boardgame expansions with low content wargame expansions. Probably because that's what they are.

And GW seems to be confusing low content boardgame expansions with deluxe goods.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Radical thinking.

Maybe, just, I dunno, don’t buy it then?

Yeah, that' what I've done so far.

Doesn't seem to be doing much. though, because they keep releasing more of these.


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
This set is no bueno, so vote with your wallet. People seem to confuse deluxe goods with mandatory taxes.

Maybe, just maybe, people are confusing low content boardgame expansions with low content wargame expansions. Probably because that's what they are.

And GW seems to be confusing low content boardgame expansions with deluxe goods.

Even if it`s a boardgame and not a wargame (thus DLCs have more content for an overall game in proportion), it is still optional. so I`m not sure in what you were going for with the first sentence.
I`m, pretty sure you know, what I meant, but just in case -It`s a box of extra things for a boardgame with miniatures, so in no way this is mandatory for people to obtain (even lower on the food chain of necessities than extra clothes, 5$ coffee in the morning, ect) , that`s why I categorized it as a deluxe good.

Nothing is, by definition, mandatory. You might decide not to buy the core game as that isn't mandatory either. As that doesn't add anything to the discussion I'm just obviating it.

Something doesn't need to be mandatory for people to think it's overprized, bad or missing the point of what it is. People don't need stuff to be mandatory to be allowed to criticize it, either.

This is kind of the thing you do in a discussion forum. You discuss, you give your opinion.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/11/no-respite-new-arrivalsgw-homepage-post-1/

Oh hey, filler article.

That actually remind me that space marine heroes 3 also have death guard marine...

Chopstick wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/11/no-respite-new-arrivalsgw-homepage-post-1/

Oh hey, filler article.

That actually remind me that space marine heroes 3 also have death guard marine...

Who knows where those wonderful Plague Marine models could turn up eventually.

Most of the series one models have ended up split across different board games.

I do think this set could have been an opportunity for GW to release the Death Guard reinforcements trio in a different manner.

The Death Guard Reinforcements are a hilarious price gouge already.

I mean, board game expansions tend to be a mugs game from the start: it's obviously a way to get more money out of a hooked fanbase. I think you loop in GW's ruthless pricing strategy, and this isn't surprising.

the price sucks, but so did the price for the Ambul and commissar/Ogryn.

Biggest problem here is that you probably can't bankroll the card bits of the expansion by selling the models as everyone who wants them probably already has them at an even lower price.

Im not going to buy the nurgle expansion.

I suppose on the plus side, Poxwalkers might make decent objective-sitters for pure Servants of the Abyss..?

Has anyone kitbashed some rules for new inquisition/ rogue trader, and Adeptus Mechanicus teams, yet?

Not in for these ridiculously priced First Strike leftovers.... If anything, the hell with them,and it is time to start talking house rules for Khorne, Slaneesh, Tzeench, and Nurgle minor troop demons, as well as Genestealers and Cult teams, and Maybe even Space Marine, and Xenos Teams.

The reason I'm annoyed about the price is because I want to have all of the expansions for BSF, but the BSF pricing strategy is making that almost unbearable. I eventually stumped up nearly £30 for the Commissar/Ogryn one, but I have these Nurgle models a dozen times over already, so I'll be paying £37.50 minus discount for just the cards. At least I got 2 nice models last time I got gouged. This one is a definite no from me, and will in all likelihood mean I won't continue buying in as I can't 'catch them all' to quote Pokémon.

It is what it is, but yeah it's frustrating that rules for a bunch of random expensive models are in the Annual, while rules for some models that are easily available and loads of people already have are locked in a box with yet another set of those minis.

As others have voiced, thats a pretty steep price for that expansion. In the least this expansion was a missed opportunity to release some of those blind box Japanese exclusive Deathguard.

Board Game expansions are generally expensive. Check out this one for Descent: Journeys in the Dark:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fantasy-Flight-Games-Expansion-Forgotten/dp/1616618361/ref=sr_1_4?crid=22XF79UA82QET&keywords=descent+journeys+in+the+dark+second+edition&qid=1581544573&sprefix=descent%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-4

I mean there are more minis in there but they are PVC minis and there is significantly less card, tokens etc or at least about the same. I think the price of these expansions is about on par with other similar ones for other games. Whether that is good value or not is subjective but i don't think you can reasonably say only GW is doing it.

But how often do we know exactly how much the included minis are "worth" because GW already sells them for much less via multiple different SKUs, and we see that the overall price of the new product is over twice the cost of said minis.

The lack of new sculpts means much less value for an already expensive expansion price point. Gw already sells the models included, and they have sold several small card decks independently of models. The actual new content is only equal to one of those de la plus a white dwarf article, but they are charging full xp price.

Compared to non-GW products is irrelevant. Kingdom Death monster cost 400$ does not mean GW boxed game at 300/200/100$ is a great or acceptable price.

Not a good value, not going to buy. EoS.

Dread Master wrote:
Not a good value, not going to buy. EoS.

That's basically been the case for this game since right after the core, at least for me.

Kinda suck having some cool models held hostage behind very expensive cardboard and cards.

Although I'm happy when the cultist box is only 25US bux, so there're good thing coming from BSF, under other brand I don't think they will be that cheap.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Board Game expansions are generally expensive. Check out this one for Descent: Journeys in the Dark:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fantasy-Flight-Games-Expansion-Forgotten/dp/1616618361/ref=sr_1_4?crid=22XF79UA82QET&keywords=descent+journeys+in+the+dark+second+edition&qid=1581544573&sprefix=descent%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-4

I mean there are more minis in there but they are PVC minis and there is significantly less card, tokens etc or at least about the same. I think the price of these expansions is about on par with other similar ones for other games. Whether that is good value or not is subjective but i don't think you can reasonably say only GW is doing it.

US SRP on that set is $35 which is nearly half the $60 for this. It's just old and not widely available anymore. I paid around £20 for each of those sets:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/descent-journeys-in-the-dark-second-edition/products/crusade-of-the-forgotten/

And in fairness, as the Descent product line went, those sets were not great value either.

Board game expansions can be expensive, but they are also assessed by a different measure - it's not the number or coolness of the minis, but how much extra content they add to the game. In that case, there's nothing to choose between this and the the other two smaller expansions. But having said that, they still feel overpriced for the amount of content they actually add.

To go back to Descent, they're broadly equivalent to the small box expansions like this one:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/descent-journeys-in-the-dark-second-edition/products/manor-of-ravens/

That adds two heroes, three monster groups, and six missions with new tiles for the missions. And is 50% cheaper.#

The larger Descent expansions are $60 and add loads of stuff (4 heroes, 5-6 monster groups, a full campaign 10-12 missions), new tiles and new mechanics.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/descent-journeys-in-the-dark-second-edition/products/labyrinth-of-ruin/

Albeit those boxes were around £45 in the UK and this can be had for around £30 here.

But yeah, as board games go, they are not good value expansions (except for Escalation).

Lets dial it back a bit.

Me, as explained, I'm a sucker for BSF. It are grate. And I've every expansion so far.

Yes, to the naked eye they look a bit expensive, but that's only if you're consider only the model content, yes? When what they also do is add further replay value to an already great game. Variety has a value unto to itself.

But so far, everything I've bought for it has come with Shiny New Models I cannot purchase anywhere else. So as well as the intrinsic value of adding models to my collection, variety to my game, exclusivity does account for some of the price.

This one? Well, not so much. I've already got the models through Conquest, and if I was desperate for them otherwise, I could source them cheaper.

Yes, it's largely arbitrary, but welcome to the very definition of Value. I think someone spending hundreds of thousands on a car they'll never get to drive at top speed, and which makes others assume things about the owner's manhood seriously needs their bumps felt. Others think the same of me (and possible the same manhood questioning, who knows) because of how much I spend on Wargames, Beer and LARP. Value is always subjective.

But this one, I'd say, is the closest BSF has come to be objectively poor value.

 aka_mythos wrote:
As others have voiced, thats a pretty steep price for that expansion. In the least this expansion was a missed opportunity to release some of those blind box Japanese exclusive Deathguard.

They can't necessarily do that, if the same deal as the earlier stuff exists. They're not manufactured by GW proper but rather another company under license.

I wouldn't be shocked if Death Guard and the BA Terminators get "Necron Labyrinth" styled boxes though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Lets dial it back a bit.

Me, as explained, I'm a sucker for BSF. It are grate. And I've every expansion so far.

Yes, to the naked eye they look a bit expensive, but that's only if you're consider only the model content, yes? When what they also do is add further replay value to an already great game. Variety has a value unto to itself.

But so far, everything I've bought for it has come with Shiny New Models I cannot purchase anywhere else. So as well as the intrinsic value of adding models to my collection, variety to my game, exclusivity does account for some of the price.

This one? Well, not so much. I've already got the models through Conquest, and if I was desperate for them otherwise, I could source them cheaper.

Yes, it's largely arbitrary, but welcome to the very definition of Value. I think someone spending hundreds of thousands on a car they'll never get to drive at top speed, and which makes others assume things about the owner's manhood seriously needs their bumps felt. Others think the same of me (and possible the same manhood questioning, who knows) because of how much I spend on Wargames, Beer and LARP. Value is always subjective.

But this one, I'd say, is the closest BSF has come to be objectively poor value.

Value is always subjective.

I don't play X Wing so some of the prices for a micro machine fighter with cards and tokens are silly expensive at first glance.

If I buy one however and two years later , I'm still playing a weekly game, I would definitely have had value for my money.

As an aside, I did buy the Tantive IV as it's my favourite ship from the films. I've still never played a game of X Wing but I feel I've had my value with it as a display piece.

It is a very nice model. And given it can sometimes be found quite heavily discounted on Amazon, a decent display purchase.

Counter example? Super Star Destroyer for Armada. Man, that is once nice looking, huge model. And of one of my favourite ship designs.

But. The cost. £166.49 from Element Game, who are normally pretty decent on price. And that's after discount. For me, that's too rich. And may even be so if I did play Armada.

Others will of course disagree, and they're perfectly entitled to.

But with this particular boxed set? Without the Model Exclusivity, and even Pedigree (Ambull tickled me, because old classic updated, ditto Zoat), for me it's value is inherently reduced, whether or not I already have those models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Counter example? Super Star Destroyer for Armada. Man, that is once nice looking, huge model. And of one of my favourite ship designs.

But. The cost. £166.49 from Element Game, who are normally pretty decent on price. And that's after discount. For me, that's too rich. And may even be so if I did play Armada.

You how much now?

I'm still umming and aaahing over buying a CRASSUS!!! after how many years.

To be fair, it is 2 foot long. So it is 100% an impressive piece, with FFG typically excellent detail.

But, for me, as I'd solely be buying it for display? Too rich for my blood.

Well, value is subjective. To me, this is a much better value than paying the same price for an expansion with a single ambull. It's more models and two different types of enemy, so seems like it will add more to the game. And the models are also potentially useful to me outside Blackstone Fortress, like for a Kill Team.

That said, it's still probably not enough for me to actually buy it for $60. But more likely than the previous expansions.

Looking at it from the perspective of people that haven’t got those models it’s not as bad (I know, who hasn’t right?), but a BSF player wouldn’t have them, only a 40k player.
So I guess this may still sell ok. Reason being the only negatives are from BSF players who are also big 40k nerds, I mean we wouldn’t be on the forums if we were just a casual BSF player most likely..
Just a thought..

What I'm afraid of , is that this kit releases and sells poorly and the GW bean counters look and go..."hmmm, looks like interest in BSF has waned significantly, send a note to the design studio to stop working on expansions for this dying game."

That's, IMHO, the real tragedy of this situation.

I'm not a huge fan of the Nurgle set, but I own all the other BSF items out there. I really like the traitor models and will definitely purchase the Zoat. If GW just focusses on the monstrous redesigns from the old glory days of RT, I will be a happy person.

I frankly suspect that the Traitor Guard and Chaos stuff are there for the newer players, while people who grew up with 1st Edition (like me) will get the creature expansions.

Things they should produce: Enslavers, Dominators, and Catachan Devils.

 Fango wrote:
What I'm afraid of , is that this kit releases and sells poorly and the GW bean counters look and go..."hmmm, looks like interest in BSF has waned significantly, send a note to the design studio to stop working on expansions for this dying game."

That's, IMHO, the real tragedy of this situation.

Or, it's a case of 4D chess by GW where they know that will be a concern to players, which in turn will rocket up sales of the Zoat because "we have to show that BSF content is still desirable everyone!"

In reality, I expect that GW's targets for this one are much lower than usual because their margins are going to be a lot higher without new models inside; as such lower unit sales might not really translate into a loss of profits. I'm quite ambivalent about this one as I do already have the models and unlike Escalation there's not going to be a great market for just the card content on the market I suspect. Might pick it up if a FLGS mis-marks the price though as that's how I ended up with Traitor Command but even if I didn't have the models I'm not sure it's really compelling in comparison to AT and SoB stuff (the latter of which has to start coming out at some point, right?).

Luckily we kniw the Zoat is coming and we may seen it in 1-2 months and show GW BSF interest it's still high for odd and new models and not just cheap cashgrab.

And then maybe maybe the next "big" expansion with more heroes this time bringing some odd and rare Xenos ones.

I’d really like a Xenos Explorer expansion.

I really like the Escalation models, but an increased Xenos presence is always welcome.

Perhaps a Tau, Dark Eldar, Freebooter and, erm....a Squat?


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 Fango wrote:
What I'm afraid of , is that this kit releases and sells poorly and the GW bean counters look and go..."hmmm, looks like interest in BSF has waned significantly, send a note to the design studio to stop working on expansions for this dying game."

That's, IMHO, the real tragedy of this situation.

Absolute good example of when to tell GW directly. They can then better gauge from feedback beyond a balance sheet.

Though given this is the first to use existing sculpts, it’s relatively low risk for them. It’s not as if they’ve sunk tooling investment only to see it potentially not be returned with profit.

BSF is an excellent show case for the small and the kooky. Stuff which won’t necessarily make sense in 40k, but works nicely as a sample.

Heck, they could get really wild, and introduce a new Eldar Aspect Warrior. I mean, there has to be an Aspect of the Lone Warrior? A sort of Ronin equivalent. Keeps no temple, operates on their own far from home. Think an Aspect to Rangers, as Dire Avengers are to Guardians?

Hell, I may even suggest such a thing!

I'm hoping for hrud to appear in an expansion.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm hoping for hrud to appear in an expansion.

...that would get old fast!

What you did there?

I see it.

With my eyes.

40k dad jokes... Emperor jokes, then.

Beats a Patriarch joke of summoning the Hive Fleet?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What you did there?

I see it.

With my eyes.

I couldn’t resist!

Might make it tough to represent them on the table...still, I’d love to see the Hrud finally in miniature form.

Hey! Have you guys heard about the black and white space marine on his black and white bike?!











No bane please..

 Snrub wrote:
Hey! Have you guys heard about the black and white space marine on his black and white bike?!





No bane please..

Malal is not fething Canon!!!!!!

So that's £37.50 RRP for No Respite - in line with Traitor Command, £2.50 higher than The Dreaded Ambull, but substantially lower than Escalation (as you'd expect - though, unexpectedly, Escalation wasn't showing in the BSF section of the GW webstore...).

Both the ETB Poxwalkers and Plague Marines are marketed as £10 sets by GW, though has been pointed out they've been available in a variety of sets at better value points.

Given the end price point, what do you think of the set?

(And as far as I know, Malal was never removed from canon, it's just not been written about directly for a while - who do you think inspired the Sons of Malice?)

 Dysartes wrote:
So that's £37.50 RRP for No Respite - in line with Traitor Command, £2.50 higher than The Dreaded Ambull, but substantially lower than Escalation (as you'd expect - though, unexpectedly, Escalation wasn't showing in the BSF section of the GW webstore...).

Both the ETB Poxwalkers and Plague Marines are marketed as £10 sets by GW, though has been pointed out they've been available in a variety of sets at better value points.

Given the end price point, what do you think of the set?

(And as far as I know, Malal was never removed from canon, it's just not been written about directly for a while - who do you think inspired the Sons of Malice?)

But just think of the savings in time as this is a one click buy .

Lol it's more expensive than the Ambull? That's GW price fuckery of a totally new level. What is actually happening up in Nottingham?

Ever increasing sales and profits it would seem?

A new level of crazy it seems. The oddest part is Warcry is doing the opposite- the Gloomspite and etc boxes add cards but are slightly cheaper than buying the models separately.
Which just makes the pricing on this seem more nuts and inconsistent.

Or BSF is subsidising warcry.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Lol it's more expensive than the Ambull? That's GW price fuckery of a totally new level. What is actually happening up in Nottingham?

With their rabid and rather captive audience, I genuinely believe various departments and sculptors are just taking bets and gambling on how high they can price something and people buy it --- then the winners swap cash at the Christmas party.

I'm usually pretty prce immune but even with a 25% preorder discount I'm leaving this expansion, especially after the titanicus release.

At most this should have been RRP £25.

With new models, or the plague brethren, or double the number of models, fair enough. But 9 models that could be had as part of Conquest for £12 ? Nopes.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ever increasing sales and profits it would seem?

Not off of this.

Elbows wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Lol it's more expensive than the Ambull? That's GW price fuckery of a totally new level. What is actually happening up in Nottingham?

With their rabid and rather captive audience, I genuinely believe various departments and sculptors are just taking bets and gambling on how high they can price something and people buy it --- then the winners swap cash at the Christmas party.

Honestly probably quite close to the money. Seeing how much they can charge for lowest-possible-effort filler products and still see whales buying.

It does fell like they’re probing the market at the moment to see what they can get away with. The out of the blue price point of Blood of the Phoenix was one. Then they’ve sold us a traitor commissar and friend for £37.50 and now they’re seeing if they can do it with existing models at the same price.

How are they figuring pricing stuff like this versus the Cultists of the Abyss box. Hell, I actually did a doubletake when I saw that was only $25US. I know there is card stuff in this expansion, but it's cardboard and ink, not gold leaf.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
How are they figuring pricing stuff like this versus the Cultists of the Abyss box. Hell, I actually did a doubletake when I saw that was only $25US. I know there is card stuff in this expansion, but it's cardboard and ink, not gold leaf.

While not defending the price I do have to point out the cardstock actually costs more than the plastic in the set.

Still insane price though.

Garro has WD, and is reporting rules for an Assassin in BSF, as a player character.

Downside? It's a one man or one woman show. One Assassin against the horror.




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His pics include the rules for the Eversor, but it's not currently clear if the other Assassins are options too?

One man mission same as the Solitaire.

And in the WD Feb 2020 description make no mention of anything else.

Asked Garro, confirmed it's just Mr Loonypants, none of his chums.