silent25 wrote: No god specific symbols and the red hues in the Chaos Marine shot make me think and hope for Word Bearers. Please let it be Word Bearers
What appears to be a hammer makes me think Warpsmith...
I'd love another warp smith. I hope they tone down the crazy on the figures and keep them generic (as CSM). Would love a much more HH styled generic approach to the CSM kits. I doubt it'll happen, but I'd like to be wrong!
I'm loving that they are broadening their horizons and releasing one-off or new theme models regularly now... I don't know how long it's going to take since they've been getting it intensely right (imho) for years now, but I remain shocked at the monumental turnaround GW has pulled off since the 'dark days'.
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm loving that they are broadening their horizons and releasing one-off or new theme models regularly now... I don't know how long it's going to take since they've been getting it intensely right (imho) for years now, but I remain shocked at the monumental turnaround GW has pulled off since the 'dark days'.
It's also the perfect way to expand 40K armies in meaningful ways without launching a new codex with the requisite number of releases.
cuda1179 wrote: Okay, so this looks like the forces in this box are :
Chaos: Chaos Lord, 2 Chaos Marines, Weird Drone things, a couple beastmen, a couple negavolt cultists, a handful of renegade cultists, Cultist leader guy, Ur-ghul.
Good Guys: Rogue Trader, Kroot, Eldar Ranger, 5 various henchmen, Giant Robot Dude.
As these two side are supposed to be equal-ish, I have to wonder how powerful the Robot Guy is to balance things. A Rogue Trader is good, but not Chaos Lord good. The rest of the henchmen would be about as good as the cultists and Negavolts. That means the Robot Guy is about equal to two Chaos Marines, an Ur-Ghul, the drones, and needs to pick up the slack from the Rogue Trader/Chaos Lord fight.
This is a co-op dungeon crawler. There is no reason to assume the forces will be equal size. In fact there should be a ton more adversaries than characters, as it won't always be the same adversaries in each mission.
They definitely won’t be equal.
As starfarer says, you’ll be picking certain models each mission to play against, well the game will.
I’d imagine the Chaos Champion could also just be the last story scenario that he’s in too..
silent25 wrote: No god specific symbols and the red hues in the Chaos Marine shot make me think and hope for Word Bearers. Please let it be Word Bearers
What appears to be a hammer makes me think Warpsmith...
Which would fit in thematically with the Negavolt Cultist.
Chaos has needed a ‘chaffe’ army for a long, long time. They exist in the background, but in the game it’s always The Big Boys coming out to play, with some sacrificial prawns.
But we know Cults and Renegades are the true threat of Chaos. The one that prevents The Imperium from being able to turn its back for even a second.
So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
Dread Master wrote: So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
From what's been said by GW proper, this is something we should regard as akin to Deathwatch Overkill or Silver Tower: a 'preview' of what's to come, with multipart sprues coming later.
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
Ehhhhhhhhh...we know there's Slaanesh stuff due at some point, but I can't see this being the spot for EC.
I think Kanlunwen is spot-on with the Warpsmith idea. Makes sense for one of those guys to explore ancient technology and bring along a score of dark mech cultists.
Abaddon would be too big of a calibre for the scale of this game. Contrary to Abaddon, a Warpsmith ist manageable for a group of andventurers.
cuda1179 wrote: Okay, so this looks like the forces in this box are :
Chaos: Chaos Lord, 2 Chaos Marines, Weird Drone things, a couple beastmen, a couple negavolt cultists, a handful of renegade cultists, Cultist leader guy, Ur-ghul.
Good Guys: Rogue Trader, Kroot, Eldar Ranger, 5 various henchmen, Giant Robot Dude.
As these two side are supposed to be equal-ish, I have to wonder how powerful the Robot Guy is to balance things. A Rogue Trader is good, but not Chaos Lord good. The rest of the henchmen would be about as good as the cultists and Negavolts. That means the Robot Guy is about equal to two Chaos Marines, an Ur-Ghul, the drones, and needs to pick up the slack from the Rogue Trader/Chaos Lord fight.
This is a co-op dungeon crawler. There is no reason to assume the forces will be equal size. In fact there should be a ton more adversaries than characters, as it won't always be the same adversaries in each mission.
For example in Silver Tower, there are forty-four adversary miniatures, and seven for the heroes.
The Drones definitely had me more excited for an original concept than just more generic galactic villains. Generic Chaos being the 'big baddies' in everything Games Workshop does (for the most part) is a little tiring.
However, I concede that the Chaos Marines definitely need a face lift, and perhaps the box wouldn't sell nearly as well if the main antagonists were a new race of cybernetic critters instead of Chaos.
Oh boy...my heart is a flutter. Plastic (and great looking from the art) Traitor guard? Beastmen and Ur-ghul? Dark Mech and new CSM. Awesome and Unique new heroes? Please take my money!
Dread Master wrote: So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
No and I doubt it very much. If they were to do emperor's children, they'd be more than dudes with bolters and boss with hammer/staff thing.
Fluffwise... it's a hard sell to get a storyline where the EC have a real interest in something like this (beyond a generic power is power so why not?). On the other hand, Iron Warriors or Black Legion- right in their wheelhouse, especially with Dark Mech representatives wandering about. Alpha Legion too, but for different reasons.
Completely unique models for footsoldier foes just isn't reasonable. For drones/cultists/negavolts (there seem to be quite a few in that 'throne room'), it makes more financial/production sense to simply replicate a sprue once or twice.
Dread Master wrote: So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
No and I doubt it very much. If they were to do emperor's children, they'd be more than dudes with bolters and boss with hammer/staff thing.
Fluffwise... it's a hard sell to get a storyline where the EC have a real interest in something like this (beyond a generic power is power so why not?). On the other hand, Iron Warriors or Black Legion- right in their wheelhouse, especially with Dark Mech representatives wandering about. Alpha Legion too, but for different reasons.
Completely unique models for footsoldier foes just isn't reasonable. For drones/cultists/negavolts (there seem to be quite a few in that 'throne room'), it makes more financial/production sense to simply replicate a sprue once or twice.
Maybe. Maybe not. The silhouettes of the CSM are rather plain, so it really could be any legion. Or even Red Corsairs. The hammer doesn’t necessarily indicate IW or BL. EC has got hammer wielding precedent with Eidolon. But I’m not privy to any inside info and am just conjecturing given what’s probably following in the release schedule.
First they lulled us into a false sense of security with the excellent but somewhat expected RT and his Kroot pal. But then its BLAM! have some Old one/pre fall Eldar drone thingy. Then while we are still reeling from that they hit us with Dark Mechanicus? I'm almost afraid for any more reveals after this. They are either going to feel underwhelming in comparison to the last two days, or so amazing I'll spend the weekend looking like the Orkmoticon.
I like the way the video sets up the Chaos forces as an opposing group of explorers. It would be cool to have rules for a game from there perspective, with there own heros and mostly Imperial hostiles.
Yeah, head to head plus the neutral "environmental" hazards would be great. Also, please, please, please have Kill Team rules for the new models and not just 40k.
With this and Rogue Trader you would have a nice starter for a Lost and The Damned Chaos force. Supoort it with a few Imperial Guard tanks, daemonforge vehicles, cultists and other allied Chaos stuff and there's a nice selection to chose form.
Dread Master wrote: So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
No and I doubt it very much. If they were to do emperor's children, they'd be more than dudes with bolters and boss with hammer/staff thing.
Fluffwise... it's a hard sell to get a storyline where the EC have a real interest in something like this (beyond a generic power is power so why not?). On the other hand, Iron Warriors or Black Legion- right in their wheelhouse, especially with Dark Mech representatives wandering about. Alpha Legion too, but for different reasons.
Completely unique models for footsoldier foes just isn't reasonable. For drones/cultists/negavolts (there seem to be quite a few in that 'throne room'), it makes more financial/production sense to simply replicate a sprue once or twice.
Maybe. Maybe not. The silhouettes of the CSM are rather plain, so it really could be any legion. Or even Red Corsairs. The hammer doesn’t necessarily indicate IW or BL. EC has got hammer wielding precedent with Eidolon. But I’m not privy to any inside info and am just conjecturing given what’s probably following in the release schedule.
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting they were IW or BL. Just that those legions would make more sense than EC from a story perspective with a Blackstone Fortress. The marine images are entirely generic, but they're so generic Emperor's Children seems even more unlikely, as this would be an opportunity to do their special weapons and exotic touches, not just random chaos marine #37.
A warband works too, but after the 6e/7e bland chaos codexes, my taste for random renegades is still low.
Ehhhhhhhhh...we know there's Slaanesh stuff due at some point, but I can't see this being the spot for EC.
Did you notice that one of the Renegade Guardsmen has a Slaanesh symbol on his chest? It's only partly visible and is intentionally obscured, and they challenge you to find it in the description of the video.
I'm not sure two vague half-circles constitute a hidden and obscured Slaanesh symbol, nor do I see them explicitly challenging you to find dark god's symbol.
Ehhhhhhhhh...we know there's Slaanesh stuff due at some point, but I can't see this being the spot for EC.
Did you notice that one of the Renegade Guardsmen has a Slaanesh symbol on his chest? It's only partly visible and is intentionally obscured, and they challenge you to find it in the description of the video.
Do you mean this quote?
The Imperium is not alone in seeking to stake a claim on the Blackstone Fortress – in its dark halls and vaulting caverns, the rot of Chaos permeates the stifling atmosphere. See which sinister foes you can spot in our latest teaser…
Nothing points to Slaanesh. Also worth mentioning that the "Slaanesh symbol" is purportedly on the torso for the middle figure in this group:
Spoiler:
It honestly doesn't look like the Slaanesh symbol. It looks like it's a clasp/buckle for some kind of ragged cloth the guy has attached to his chest plate.
Ehhhhhhhhh...we know there's Slaanesh stuff due at some point, but I can't see this being the spot for EC.
Did you notice that one of the Renegade Guardsmen has a Slaanesh symbol on his chest? It's only partly visible and is intentionally obscured, and they challenge you to find it in the description of the video.
Do you mean this quote?
The Imperium is not alone in seeking to stake a claim on the Blackstone Fortress – in its dark halls and vaulting caverns, the rot of Chaos permeates the stifling atmosphere. See which sinister foes you can spot in our latest teaser…
Nothing points to Slaanesh. Also worth mentioning that the "Slaanesh symbol" is purportedly on the torso for the middle figure in this group:
Spoiler:
It honestly doesn't look like the Slaanesh symbol. It looks like it's a clasp/buckle for some kind of ragged cloth the guy has attached to his chest
plate.
I just zoomed in on the pic in your link and man, I’m not saying it’s for certain, but it sure looks like a Slaanesh symbol.
It could just as well be a hook.... lol.
Well, other than missing the spar and lower crescent yeah it looks like it has some part of the Slaanesh symbol...
It seriously just looks like it's something holding a ragged piece of cloth to the torso. I don't think they'd release 'marked' Renegades right off the bat.
Dread Master wrote: So one of the criticisms of Silver Tower was that the two sprues for the minions was really just one and a copy. Do we think that perhaps the sprues for this games baddies are completely unique?
And also, for my money, the chaos marines are Emperor’s Children.
Recent GW boxes have followed a similar pattern. Soul wars, Dark imperium, death watch overkill, silver tower and space hulk all have one large sprue of minis that is duplicated in the box.
I think we will see the drones, the Renegade guard, the dark mech guys, the beasts, and maybe the urghul duplicated.
I would expect the final figure count to be around 50.
So
4 drones
8 Renegade guard
6 dark mechanicus
6 beasts
2 urghul
1 Renegade priest
3 marines
1 Abaddon (or alternative leader)
9 adventures
And a few more surprises.
I will be shocked if the price is not £95
Looking at the latest video, it was interesting to see Traitor Guardsmen and the 3 Chaos Space marines surrounded by what looked like some sort of demons or mutants. I know it isn't this, but it reminded me of the old Lost and the Damned army.
+4x Ghoul thingies (minimum)
+2x Drones (minimum)
+Approximtately 30 other figures (just at a glance)
+D6, D8, D12, and D20 +An initiative or encounter track
+A large beam template
+Five or six separate decks of cards
One figure appears to be a Chaos sorcerer --- unless it's a victim tied to a pole as an objective marker or something. Can only make out one Negavolt Cultist (off the board)
Yeah it's a pretty vague picture but at least its something. I cant even spot the chaos marines. The board does seem small and combat focused. And less so exploration focused...not sure how I feel about it. Looks like a game where you clear rooms but I hope its more than that. I'm sure we'll see a lot more tomorrow though.
+4x Ghoul thingies (minimum)
+2x Drones (minimum)
+Approximtately 30 other figures (just at a glance)
+D6, D8, D12, and D20 +An initiative or encounter track
+A large beam template
+Five or six separate decks of cards
One figure appears to be a Chaos sorcerer --- unless it's a victim tied to a pole as an objective marker or something. Can only make out one Negavolt Cultist (off the board)
It's an icon bearer. You can see that there is one in the video.
Hmm. Looking at it, I think that set up above the red thing is how the encounters are ordered. You lay down cards along the length of the long marker to... determine encounter order probably. It looks like there is a white line along the length of the marker... suggesting the hallway you're following into the fortress, perhaps.
Not sure of the significance of the numeric cards, or why the order is 2, 1, 3, 4, however.
I can't decide if the stacks at the end are the decks the encounters are drawn from or the final encounters. Or what the decks on the opposite side do. Foes, treasures, modifiers, perhaps.
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The 'iron giant' seems to be there on his lonesome by the d20 and the pile of chits. Looks big but not overly so. Nothing in the box like the Dread from the HH game or the Ogre wizard from Silver Tower.
Definitely looks a bit different from the Fantasy Warhammer Quest. I'm not super stoked on the hexes, but just by looking at the game components it looks like might have a bit more depth than the other two, which would be pretty cool.
I'm guessing GW is probably not too worried about the leak. They are probably showing the game off tomorrow at Blood and Glory anyways.
Also on a side note, how cool would it be if GW released Kill Team rules for the Traitor Guard and Beastmen to join your Chaos Space Marines warband.
There are some tiles apparently left out between the game area and the box of the game ... wondering if the players build the area during the game ... kind of like Carcassone
Tiberius501 wrote: Why are leak images ALWAYS unreadably blurry? It's insane to me that every single person who leaks images has an early 2000's brick phone.
Looks like there's a heap of cool looking blobs in this game though, and wasn't expecting the tiles to be hexagons. I'm keen to see the proper reveal.
I think it’s an enlarged and zoomed in photo from the full page/poster.
(Or as some would say - it’s all GW wanted you to see)
That would fit the exploration vibe. I’d be really pleased if they’ve used/developed the Betrayal at Calth mechanics; I really liked that as a game system.
Danny76 wrote: Well the reveal was meant to be at the weekend, but I wonder if this will change it.
It'll be treated like codex squads from now on. Every mention pushes it back a day. Oh and gw will send the inquisition eradicating all already shown previews from each and everyone's memory!
But to be serious, I don't think it will change anything, as the seminar is today evening. They will stick to that plan, everything else would be really rushed and take away some of the hype in the seminar
Danny76 wrote: Well the reveal was meant to be at the weekend, but I wonder if this will change it.
The blood and glory seminar is less than 24 hours from now and the only new thing you can make out from that picture is the hexagonal tiles. It won't change anything.
Thargrim wrote: The more I look at it the most concerning thing that stands out to me is the extra slim rules book. Looks a bit too slim if you ask me.
That does look pretty thin if you ask me also. Hopefully it's just the adventure book or something. Or it would be kind of cool if there was a variety of missions and you could roll/choose which to play and it had a progression system like the older Warhammer Quest games. That way they wouldn't have to cram in 20 different adventures, maybe just 8 or so with different variables/bosses and what not. I'm trying to be optimistic about this one, but I guess we'll have to wait for some game play info.
Those prices really took the wind out of my sails.. I was hoping to get it for my school as a part of the School Alliance, but that is way too much of our budget.
I do t know what was in Calth but it doesn't look like all the hexes are individual. It looks like there are a series of hex based rooms and corridors linked together to me. The patterns on the floor look a bit too well continuous for them all to be separate hexes.
Flinty wrote: I do t know what was in Calth but it doesn't look like all the hexes are individual. It looks like there are a series of hex based rooms and corridors linked together to me. The patterns on the floor look a bit too well continuous for them all to be separate hexes.
Calth had bigger map sections that had several hexes in them. This game propably has similar set up.
Hexes work better for movement than squares, so I'm not against the game using hexes.
General Kroll wrote: Really disappointed by the look of that, don’t like the look of hex tiles, there’s a wafer thin rule book.
And it was going so well.
yeah, not enough tiles and post-it rulebook
At least the minis shown so far are awesome , and that negavolt cultist is one of the greatest thing ever made by the big GW
I wouldn't believe that they showed every single tile of the game in this picture. I'm pretty sure they didn't show all of the tiles in similar pictures of "Space Hulk". There are likely to be more tiles in the game than shown. Also I don't mind a small rulebook, as long as the rules are clearly stated, interesting and an additional campaign book is included (i.e. as in the "Star Wars Imperial Assault" boardgame... or the old Hero Quest).
I'm more worried about no sign of such a campaign book. It would be a real bummer, if it's only meant to be "random" games with no progressing story. During the storytelling so far they spoke about how the floors in the blackstone fortress are always changing directions and such... I hope this is no indicator for completely random maps. That way they'd be able to sell it to the players as a "new" experience in every run... or add new "levels" by simply changing the victory requirements, which would require next to no effort.
I'm actually not too disappointed by the price, less than 100 Euro.
I may also be alone in linking a thin rulebook. I'd like a cool game that is not too complicated, that should be easy to play with family and friends not too familiar with GW games. Underworlds has so far gone down really well because it has such an easy to learn set of rules, even though there's plenty of depth and variety to be had. From the blurry pic there seem to be a lot of cards in this game, so I'm guessing there'll be plenty of different rules even if they're not in the book.
As for the tiles, I'm withholding judgment until we see more. Calth had those and all reviews I've read of that game say it is really fun. And they make sense to me when exploring a continually shifting fortress.
Insane Ivan wrote: I'm actually not too disappointed by the price, less than 100 Euro.
Ummm...The pic shows 125€.
Oh, whoops, I was looking at the GBP price, I see now. My bad. And then yes, that's somewhat disappointing; then the exact contents will make much more of a difference on whether or not it's worth it.
Ah I didn’t realise the seminar was tonight. Thought it was Sunday for some reason.
Is that the whole thing, I.e. Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Realms Of Chaos etc,
Or do they have multiple seminars across the event?
Tiberius501 wrote: Why are leak images ALWAYS unreadably blurry? It's insane to me that every single person who leaks images has an early 2000's brick phone.
Looks like there's a heap of cool looking blobs in this game though, and wasn't expecting the tiles to be hexagons. I'm keen to see the proper reveal.
I think it’s an enlarged and zoomed in photo from the full page/poster.
(Or as some would say - it’s all GW wanted you to see)
Ooh, renegade Guard. Hopefully they’ll come with autoguns or be able to slot into every existing Chaos army in place of Cultists. I’m really starting to dislike the current Cultist models the more I work on them.
These overhead shots usually show everything you get in the box, dumb to do otherwise from a marketing perspective.
Between the single suspiciously thin book, small amount of tiles plus (yawn) chaos baddies colour me un-enthused. As previously suggested, I strongly suspect that this will use a 'Lost patrol' moving and re-shaping map, recycling the tiles as you go deeper into the fortress. The fluff mentions the maze like and ever changing nature of the internal structure.
On a positive the adventuring party look like a cool diverse bunch and I am still hopeful for some innovative mechanics but I think I am growing a little wearisome of the GW boxed sets with very light rules treatment. I love that they are back to doing boxed games again but they need to step up with the rules depth some of them are offering. I just don't think their business model is designed to achieve this compared with other boardgames on the market.
A chaos/renegade marine with hammer is very cool and uniqe concept in 40k. I like it.
Also the lack of daemons mutants and "marked" units (so far) is nice and would speak for certain legions like IW.
Not sure the book is as slim as people are making out.
Looks to be the same thickness as a standard Citadel Slottabase. Whilst by no means thick, that’s still pretty far from a pamphlet or couple of dozen pages?
For reference, silver tower had 13 double sided tiles and shadows over hammerhall had 18 double sided tiles. So it seems likely that this game will have somewhere in that range and I'd expect them to be double sided.
I'd also expect it to have randomly generated maps like silver tower (as opposed to pre-defined ones like shadows over hammerhal) given the reference to the BSF constantly shifting and changing. In fact, silver tower used similar language to describe the dungeons. I think this is good as it will add repeatability and may account for there only being one (slimmer) book.
masterdoobie wrote: Those prices really took the wind out of my sails.. I was hoping to get it for my school as a part of the School Alliance, but that is way too much of our budget.
The Canadian price is identical to Silver Tower and Shadows Over Hammerhal - so exactly what I was expecting. I'll need a better look at the contents to see if it's worth it, but the price isn't a surprise.
Im a bit weary of these new games that keep coming out, its a toss up as to whether they are going to get any support at all and the last ones I bought I only really used the models and never really played the game more than once or twice.
Saying that I still want this one just for the models, they really are the selling point here as usual !!
It’s a board game. ‘Terrain’ was always going to be tiles. And if you aren’t looking for a new game why does the thin rulebook matter?
Because next to the rules there won't be much space for the lore or RPG content some were hoping for. Also, Speed freaks comes with terrain, so one or two thematic pieces would have been reasonable.
Not saying the product is bad, just that it's not what I was hoping for. Some of the miniatures are still a must-buy for me.
General Kroll wrote: Really disappointed by the look of that, don’t like the look of hex tiles, there’s a wafer thin rule book.
And it was going so well.
Good; more copies left for me, then.
Those product images are usually manipulated images; That's not simply a photograph of all the bits laid out at once. Tthe box and the rulebook are almost certainly not actual photographs of the items themselves.
I agree that the slim rulebook is a bit concerning. The tiles could be great if they are used well. It looks like there are several different configurations not just single tiles.
Silver tower had you removing rooms as you cleared, but as each board was tied to a scenario, once you had visited each room once it started to get quite repetitive.
If the hexes can be combined in different ways to create unique rooms it could improve the replayability.
I'm still looking forward to the reveal. Less than 12 hours to go!
Fayric wrote: Perhaps they have decided to provide BS fortress with regular updates just like the "popular" Necromunda gang war books.
Without knowing anything more, I'm wondering if this is their way of adding an "Underworlds" styled of game that can be played quickly with little listmaking necessary. They could add small little boxes with card products that expand the main game.
I guess they'll copy the Silvertower/Harrenhall approach. First set with small rulebook and all new minis, second set existing sprues repacked with meatier gameplay.
I have to admit that the image makes the game components look less than flattering, especially if you compare it to a billion KS games with enormous bosses. Especially for its price,
Without knowing anything more, I'm wondering if this is their way of adding an "Underworlds" styled of game that can be played quickly with little listmaking necessary. They could add small little boxes with card products that expand the main game.
Sure beats releasing a brand new game every time they want to release a Kill Team of Blanchitsu minis. It will be the closest to RPG minis we get without ever acknowledging the RPG du jour.
Disappointed that there aren't many tiles and they are pretty small. Obviously it will have a "rolling dungeon" thing going on, like in Silver Tower. But I still would have expected some larger or more open areas.
I don't get why anyone would have a problem with it being hexes, though.
As someone who loves all tiles great and small (well, maybe not small), the hexes don't bother me. Actual proper big rooms would be preferable, but hexes aren't inherently bad.
The issue is that they look tiny, and don't look like something you could make much of a layout with.
I suspect this might be a ‘rolling road’ affair. Where once you start exploring, there’s simply no way back. You have to press through and get to the end.
Would seem to suit the smaller board, and indeed the info from the second video, about the BSF closing off the way you came.
And if there’s any kind of timing on that, could introduce an interesting new threat?
Binabik15 wrote: I guess they'll copy the Silvertower/Harrenhall approach. First set with small rulebook and all new minis, second set existing sprues repacked with meatier gameplay.
I have to admit that the image makes the game components look less than flattering, especially if you compare it to a billion KS games with enormous bosses. Especially for its price,
Silver Tower had a rulebook and separate quest guide though. I wonder if maybe they are shifting some of the quest stuff to an app? They tried one with Silver Tower and it could make the game more expandable.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I suspect this might be a ‘rolling road’ affair. Where once you start exploring, there’s simply no way back. You have to press through and get to the end.
Would seem to suit the smaller board, and indeed the info from the second video, about the BSF closing off the way you came.
And if there’s any kind of timing on that, could introduce an interesting new threat?
First GW game I ever bought did that, but it did it with big nearly 1'x1' tiles.
Can’t see any of the models revealed already in that photo, the character teaser video had the giant robot with a mini gun. I call either fake or early prototype.
daemonish wrote: Can’t see any of the models revealed already in that photo, the character teaser video had the giant robot with a mini gun. I call either fake or early prototype.
The "giant robot" was with two Ratlings...
If you look at the photo, the "giant robot" is present.
Spoiler:
You're looking for the model on the tiles, towards the upper middle of the shot. Looks like it's on a 40mm base and it's in a white-ish color.
daemonish wrote: Can’t see any of the models revealed already in that photo, the character teaser video had the giant robot with a mini gun. I call either fake or early prototype.
The "giant robot" was with two Ratlings...
If you look at the photo, the "giant robot" is present.
I wonder if they’ll repurpose that silver tower phone app for characters here. It was pretty cool being able to download characters and keep track of upgrades.
daemonish wrote: Can’t see any of the models revealed already in that photo, the character teaser video had the giant robot with a mini gun. I call either fake or early prototype.
The "giant robot" was with two Ratlings...
If you look at the photo, the "giant robot" is present.
If that’s it I feel massively disappointed.
I mean, they're potato camera pictures but it does look to be the case.
Remember that it was never going to be huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. It has to fit on the tiles.
daemonish wrote: Can’t see any of the models revealed already in that photo, the character teaser video had the giant robot with a mini gun. I call either fake or early prototype.
The Negavolt Cultist is pretty easily identifiable as it isn't on the tiles so the shape can be clearly seen against the white background.
Don't be like me. I waited up all night for the Sega press conference, back in the day, as there was rumours of a Dreamcast 2. I was so excited, there was hundreds of us on a chat room, all discussing our dreams, and then... Sega announced that it was the previously disclosed Phantasy Star Online on Xbox.
I cried.
Go to sleep, enjoy the rest, wake up in morning, and hopefully the news is good.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I feel like people need to reserve the judgements and emotions for the official reveal.
I was about to say the potato camera picture doesn't throw me off an I'm still going to buy this game, but I guess I'll need to reserve judgment until later.
If you zoom in on the far right hand side level with the top lot of dice you've got what look like 4 snake (worm?) men,
the shape is fairly distinctive with an 's' bend in it
and just above them 2 of the spindle drones
below them is some sort of 3d terrain with either somebody standing on it or a statue, and I think 3 or 4 more bits that could be similar bits of terrain, although they're less clear
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: If you zoom in on the far right hand side level with the top lot of dice you've got what look like 4 snake (worm?) men,
Those are the Ur-ghuls.
phillv85 wrote: 8pm here in the UK tonight is 4pm in Washington DC according to google.
Yeah. UK made the daylight savings transition last week and we haven't yet. So its a 4 hour time difference instead of 5 until early Sunday morning.
Just to kill a bit of time, here is a rumor form 4Chan:
Someone I know got a good look at the contents. He doesn’t know all the details but here’s what I was told:
-Rogue Traders are called the Explorers and consist of the following:
-Rogue Trader
-Eldar Ranger
-Kroot Merc
-Astronavigator and servitor of some sort?
-Stormcast looking guy (don’t know what he is but has a Flamer Chainsaw)
-2 Rattling Pirates and their big robot.
Enemies are reportedly:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Marines (only 2 or 3)
-Negavolt Cultists
-Renegade Guardsmen (reportedly these models have options)
-Khornegors
-Ur-Ghul
-Skitter Drone
BertBert wrote: Just to kill a bit of time, here is a rumor form 4Chan:
Someone I know got a good look at the contents. He doesn’t know all the details but here’s what I was told:
-Rogue Traders are called the Explorers and consist of the following:
-Rogue Trader
-Eldar Ranger
-Kroot Merc
-Astronavigator and servitor of some sort?
-Stormcast looking guy (don’t know what he is but has a Flamer Chainsaw)
-2 Rattling Pirates and their big robot.
Enemies are reportedly:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Marines (only 2 or 3)
-Negavolt Cultists
-Renegade Guardsmen (reportedly these models have options)
-Khornegors
-Ur-Ghul
-Skitter Drone
In total there’s about 40 models in the box
Eh... it's not so much a rumor as a: we have seen the models' he's refering to already. Still, it's a time killer.
Hmm. Not sold on Khornegors specifically. The two beastmen in the video look pretty standard (the one facing away has curling horns), and while the other doesn't have much detail to the face, nothing jumped out as Khornate.
Mind you, I'm a little biased- It doesn't help that the old Khornate beastmen had a distinct look (doglike), and the new Tzaangors ended up being pretty consistent with old models/conversions and expectations of what they would look like.
Voss wrote: Hmm. Not sold on Khornegors specifically. The two beastmen in the video look pretty standard (the one facing away has curling horns), and while the other doesn't have much detail to the face, nothing jumped out as Khornate.
Mind you, I'm a little biased- It doesn't help that the old Khornate beastmen had a distinct look (doglike), and the new Tzaangors ended up being pretty consistent with old models/conversions and expectations of what they would look like.
I mean Tzaangors only look as they do, because of beak mutation and feathers. Take those off and you have what was in the video.
BertBert wrote: Just to kill a bit of time, here is a rumor form 4Chan:
Someone I know got a good look at the contents. He doesn’t know all the details but here’s what I was told:
-Rogue Traders are called the Explorers and consist of the following:
-Rogue Trader
-Eldar Ranger
-Kroot Merc
-Astronavigator and servitor of some sort?
-Stormcast looking guy (don’t know what he is but has a Flamer Chainsaw)
-2 Rattling Pirates and their big robot.
Enemies are reportedly:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Marines (only 2 or 3)
-Negavolt Cultists
-Renegade Guardsmen (reportedly these models have options)
-Khornegors
-Ur-Ghul
-Skitter Drone
In total there’s about 40 models in the box
Eh... it's not so much a rumor as a: we have seen the models' he's refering to already. Still, it's a time killer.
BertBert wrote: Just to kill a bit of time, here is a rumor form 4Chan:
Someone I know got a good look at the contents. He doesn’t know all the details but here’s what I was told:
-Rogue Traders are called the Explorers and consist of the following:
-Rogue Trader
-Eldar Ranger
-Kroot Merc
-Astronavigator and servitor of some sort?
-Stormcast looking guy (don’t know what he is but has a Flamer Chainsaw)
-2 Rattling Pirates and their big robot.
Enemies are reportedly:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Marines (only 2 or 3)
-Negavolt Cultists
-Renegade Guardsmen (reportedly these models have options)
-Khornegors
-Ur-Ghul
-Skitter Drone
In total there’s about 40 models in the box
Eh... it's not so much a rumor as a: we have seen the models' he's refering to already. Still, it's a time killer.
OK... What models are we talking about exactly...
Not models, but that’s all the stuff from the videos.
Everyone repeats after me :
- This isn't about the halo this is about the shape of the shoulderpads!
Which don't look like Stormcast shoulder pads. Far less ornate, the side cut is entirely different, and they're a lot shorter, with a flat end, rather than the complex taper of the Stormcast. It also isn't attached/molded to the upper arm armor in an even vaguely similar fashion.
BertBert wrote: Just to kill a bit of time, here is a rumor form 4Chan:
Someone I know got a good look at the contents. He doesn’t know all the details but here’s what I was told:
-Rogue Traders are called the Explorers and consist of the following:
-Rogue Trader
-Eldar Ranger
-Kroot Merc
-Astronavigator and servitor of some sort?
-Stormcast looking guy (don’t know what he is but has a Flamer Chainsaw)
-2 Rattling Pirates and their big robot.
Enemies are reportedly:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Marines (only 2 or 3)
-Negavolt Cultists
-Renegade Guardsmen (reportedly these models have options)
-Khornegors
-Ur-Ghul
-Skitter Drone
In total there’s about 40 models in the box
On the side of the explorers you are missing the confessor looking dude we saw in the video with the back turned
Voss wrote: Hmm. Not sold on Khornegors specifically. The two beastmen in the video look pretty standard (the one facing away has curling horns), and while the other doesn't have much detail to the face, nothing jumped out as Khornate.
Mind you, I'm a little biased- It doesn't help that the old Khornate beastmen had a distinct look (doglike), and the new Tzaangors ended up being pretty consistent with old models/conversions and expectations of what they would look like.
My first thought when I saw the images in the video was that we were getting Khorne daemons styled like the old Khorne Bloodletters, like the metal ones from 2nd ed until we got the plastic ones we have now.
timetowaste85 wrote: Honestly, the bad guy side sounds fun, but the heroes are very “meh” to me. Might try to eBay the Khornegors (or find an old box online).
If you're willing to eBay, you might as well be the one to do the selling yourself.
I'm thinking the MSRP on each of the individual characters will be $25USD(barring the 'big robot'...lol)--and if it's like Silver Tower? They came with separate instruction sheets for each model.
Put them down at $15 each(Ratlings as a pair rather than two separates unless you're feeling nice), big brobot at $25--that's $130 potentially recouped before eBay takes their cut.
Everyone repeats after me :
- This isn't about the halo this is about the shape of the shoulderpads!
Just looked through the entire Stormcast line, and I can't seem to find any shoulderpads that look like those. They do look very similar to SoB shoulders, but to me, they look like larger versions of Eisenhorn's pauldrons.
This might be a no phones and no livestream event. Might not see much until the two hours comes to an end. I'm gonna try and get in a match of blood bowl on ps4 in the meantime cause this could drag out.
The Games Workshop Leak Department has been hard at work, again, filling the internet with blurry pictures.
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Whoever made the prediction that the 2 bounty hunter guys were squats (more like ratlings they look though) and the robot was their mate in an exosuit called it so correctly they MUST have had some inside knowledge. Also, the exo-suit looks tau like even more in model form, it probably isn't tau linked but it looks like tau tech.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Whoever made the prediction that the 2 bounty hunter guys were squats (more like ratlings they look though) and the robot was their mate in an exosuit called it so correctly they MUST have had some inside knowledge. Also, the exo-suit looks tau like even more in model form, it probably isn't tau linked but it looks like tau tech.
Lastly, the traitor guard look amazing.
They're Ratlings. We've known there were Ratlings in from the time we had the name of this set.
I still maintain the robot is an AdMech operative.
I very quickly went from "not bothered" to "must buy". So the CSM have the same body but different heads, probably suggests a sprue of "bad guys" is repeated in the set?
ho-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE gak! I had no interest in this until that trailer. This is, bar none, the best box set GW has ever done in terms of amount of unique, well-designed, great sculpt, 40k-ass 40k models. I pretty much want every single model from that video and I want it now. Jesus. Talk about blowing Rogue Trader out of the water (great as though some of those sculpts were, many were not as great and the Nurgle side did nothing for me). What a triumph.
Kroot, Trader, Navigator, Priest and Redemptionette are my favourites from the "good" side. The Ranger is a bit of a let down for me - the pose is just akward and two-dimensional. Could be worse though. Ratlings and Exo Suit look a bit out of place - maybe I'll have to see them in person to form a final opinion.
The Chaos side is pretty much perfect except for the weird Beastmen, but the Renegades, Lord and Psyker dude more than make up for that.
There's two rogue psykers in that box one with the bulbus head and another with looks like horns trying to pop out of his head at the very end of the video.
Yeah, I'm sorry but Primaris have spoiled me, the poses of those chaos marines, even if the detail is more than fine, are underwhelming to say the least.
I was expecting something more similar to Dark Vengeance Chosen or DeathGuard marines, not... "Normal Chaos Marines but with a little more detail".
Of course, if the new multipart plastic box is like that I assume it will make many people happy. Just a new version of the same box (Like the tactical change or the new Tau firewarrior box) instead of a primarization of normal chaos marines.
What. A. Collection... Talk about dialing up the models to 11! They all look fantastic!
I just can't get over the Eldar, Kroot and Ratlings... superb models for a fantastic theme. Watching the vid has taken me back in time, I feel 12 again looking at all of that... safe to say I'm a lot older and little army men haven't elicited such a reaction in me for a loooooooong time.
All this and there are superb looking traitor guardsmen in the offing?
Although Blackstone Fortress is looking the business, at least in terms of models, a small part of me can't help but imagine if these models hold any significance to 2019 and beyond? Are there some seriously mean looking Kroot, Eldar and Chaos troops on the horizon for regular 40k?
Nicely done Games Workshop, a very sincere (as far as strangers on the internet cant be) congrats to the artist and concept designers from me on this one.
Galas wrote: Yeah, I'm sorry but Primaris have spoiled me, the poses of those chaos marines, even if the detail is more than fine, are underwhelming to say the least.
I was expecting something more similar to Dark Vengeance Chosen or DeathGuard marines, not... "Normal Chaos Marines but with a little more detail".
Of course, if the new multipart plastic box is like that I assume it will make many people happy. Just a new version of the same box (Like the tactical change or the new Tau firewarrior box) instead of a primarization of normal chaos marines.
Yep. the chaos marines are definitely the weakest part of the set.
The Traitor Guard are phenomenal but I'm not in love with the Beastmen. The CSM are very good but I agree that Primaris still look a bit better in my opinion.
We certainly have everything we need for an official Renegades and Heretics Codex now though. Lots of Chaos kits coming in the fuiture I'd imagine.
Of course everything else is just phenomenal. My favourite are the female IMPERIAL cultist with the chainsaw-flamethrower and the traitor Cadians.
I hope this means a multi-part chaos cultist box down the line.
Most of the heroes are incredible, bar the crusader who is a huge failure (really liked the concept, but the mini is bleh)
Ur ghoul and chaos marines are bland and dissapointing. Marines look like the one whe got in dark vengeance, in less cool, while the ghoul have the most rigid pose ever.
It seems like the beastmens have weird troll face.
Corrupted guards are really great though, especially the possesed psyker.
Galas wrote: My favourite are the female cultists with the chainsaw-flamethrower
The one with the Iron Halo? I'm pretty sure that is a new Sisters of Battle Repentia or some sort of character. Pretty sure she is Imperial but we will see.
ecurtz wrote: That chaos psycher is a thing of (grotesque) beauty.
When the worst looking model in the box is a mediocre Eldar you're definitely doing something right.
Bro, are you High? That Ranger is incredible. I hope to God that this means a full plastic kit is on the way to replace the old finecast nonsense.
She's totally fine, but other than the material isn't a huge step up from the currently available 12 year old ones IMO. Of course there's a reason all those classic Eldar are still around, so maybe the new sculpt suffers from being compared to classics.
The eldar and the chaos marines suffer from being technically better versions of existing things. CSM are not supposed to be exciting - it probably wold have been bad if they'd introduced a controversial change to their design. the fact that they are boring is good.
The rest of the stuff is nuts. Incredible. they may have topped silver tower.
Gotta say, very impressed all round with the set and it's probably something I'll buy.
I am disappointed with the ranger, the massive spirit stone doesn't coincide with the rest of the line and the chicken toed pose leaves it very jarring to look at.
I actually like the CSM, they don't need much to look good and the video actually makes them look better than the photo of them.
Pretty happy with the minis, though I could do without the Cadian uniforms on the renegades. The Chaos Marine basic fellas are boring, but I won't be using them. The Lord is excellent.
Unlike in the leaked picture, the new picture of the content overview shows actually four books in the size of the rulebook. So we might still be getting a nice campaign instead of random single games only!
Stumpy CSM? Whyyyyyy. I could've used some to finally get my ass into gear for true scale Word Bearers.
Most of the Imperial retinue is incresible. Traitor guard is ace. More of those almost-kill-teams-in- a-box, please. I advocated for such things for years (not as halves of 100+€ games, though, but whatever).
streetsamurai wrote: Must say that the box really miss a big bad boy. I know that the csm lord is supposed to play the part, but it's still a human sized model.
Yeah, Rogue Trader had a overabundance of big bad guys, and there one of those is lacking.
I'd rather have a ton of human-sized models than what they did with Rogue Trader, where the Imperial side (the good-looking part) was only 10 models because they had the huge Nurgle trolls in there. Here both sides look great and there are so many models.
Everyone keeps saying Cadian, but is there any Cadian insignia on them?
They just look like standard guardsman.
Remember Chadians just happen to wear the common to many standard IG uniforms.
I think it would have been weird if they were traitor Mordian or something. (And heaven forbid if they did greatcoats - imagine the uproar “oh they can do traitor greatcoats, why haven’t we gotten plastic greatcoat...”)
Mymearan wrote: I'd rather have a ton of human-sized models than what they did with Rogue Trader, where the Imperial side (the good-looking part) was only 10 models because they had the huge Nurgle trolls in there. Here both sides look great and there are so many models.
Yeah, thats why you should only have one big guy instead of like... 3-4? That Rogue Trader had. That consumes a ton of sprue space.
Danny76 wrote: Everyone keeps saying Cadian, but is there any Cadian insignia on them?
They just look like standard guardsman.
Remember Chadians just happen to wear the common to many standard IG uniforms.
I think it would have been weird if they were traitor Mordian or something. (And heaven forbid if they did greatcoats - imagine the uproar “oh they can do traitor greatcoats, why haven’t we gotten plastic greatcoat...”)
Yeah, the Cadian uniform is the standard imperial guard uniform across the galaxy, they could be from anywhere. But we all understand ourselves better if we say "Look at those cadian renegade guards!" instead of "Look at those renegade guards, wearing the Departmento Munitorum approved standard imperial guard equipment!"
Very impressed. I especially like Tad and the totally-not-a-Stormcast, as well as the renegades.
Gotta agree the elf ranger and the marines are the most dull. The elf is just a touch overdone in pose and extra bits and bobs, and the chaos marines.. I honestly want to go check and compare them to the chaos marines from the 6th/7th box set.
Ur-ghuls were also a bit... OK. But still, that's pretty impressive overall.
(Though Wrath and Ruin has first dibs on my money).
Danny76 wrote: Everyone keeps saying Cadian, but is there any Cadian insignia on them?
They just look like standard guardsman.
Remember Chadians just happen to wear the common to many standard IG uniforms.
I think it would have been weird if they were traitor Mordian or something. (And heaven forbid if they did greatcoats - imagine the uproar “oh they can do traitor greatcoats, why haven’t we gotten plastic greatcoat...”)
Other way around. Cadian gear is commonly used by others.
That said, I'm really hoping this might be a sign of a recut Cadian kit.
Danny76 wrote: Everyone keeps saying Cadian, but is there any Cadian insignia on them?
They just look like standard guardsman.
Remember Cadians just happen to wear the common to many standard IG uniforms.
I think it would have been weird if they were traitor Mordian or something. (And heaven forbid if they did greatcoats - imagine the uproar “oh they can do traitor greatcoats, why haven’t we gotten plastic greatcoat...”)
Other way around. Cadian gear is commonly used by others.
That said, I'm really hoping this might be a sign of a recut Cadian kit.
Not quite. It’s Cadian Pattern carapace armour used by most Munitorums and Forge World productions.so they all wear the armour.
(Unless by gear that’s what you mean, but it’s not made by the Cadian regiment is what I mean)
Not quite. It’s Cadian Pattern carapace armour used by most Munitorums and Forge World productions.so they wear the armour.
I more mean they aren’t ‘Cadians’
Nitpicking really They look great either way!
If you want to nitpick, the gear is produced by Kantrael--one of many Forge Worlds that supply Cadia...
But again:
Cadian gear has been called out for at least three editions now as being widely produced and emulated by non-Cadian regiments specifically to parrot the Cadians. You also have Cadian Regiments that might have settled elsewhere(Brimlock Dragoons IIRC) that have their gear as "heirlooms".
Not quite. It’s Cadian Pattern carapace armour used by most Munitorums and Forge World productions.so they wear the armour.
I more mean they aren’t ‘Cadians’
Nitpicking really They look great either way!
If you want to nitpick, the gear is produced by Kantrael--one of many Forge Worlds that supply Cadia...
But again:
Cadian gear has been called out for at least three editions now as being widely produced and emulated by non-Cadian regiments specifically to parrot the Cadians. You also have Cadian Regiments that might have settled elsewhere(Brimlock Dragoons IIRC) that have their gear as "heirlooms".
I fear they are gonna be pricey to pick up too, them and the few other bits I want.
I may have to pick up the box and sell off individual models I don’t want..
"I kicked out Valve it wasn't working anymore."
"Good for you. All these games you bought and never played."
"GW is moving back in with me."
"Wait, what?! All the minatures that are unpainted and you still haven't even assembled..."
"HE SAYS HE LOVES ME! IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME!"
Tyranid Horde wrote: Gotta say, very impressed all round with the set and it's probably something I'll buy.
I am disappointed with the ranger, the massive spirit stone doesn't coincide with the rest of the line and the chicken toed pose leaves it very jarring to look at.
Right there with you. The "sassy bad girl" Infinity-esque pose is a major drag. Totally out of character with the line and the aesthetic
Symbio Joe wrote: "I kicked out Valve it wasn't working anymore."
"Good for you. All these games you bought and never played."
"GW is moving back in with me."
"Wait, what?! All the minatures that are unpainted and you still haven't even assembled..."
"HE SAYS HE LOVES ME! IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME!"
Agreed, that Ranger is spectacular. It's amazing how different people's aesthetics can be.
Yeah, she's totally awesome. I really hope she gets some solid 40K rules.
I also think the model is awesome with enough details and lack of those to make some beautiful conversions but i can also understand the complaints of the Odd pose.
It's like the jumping keg leg (Callidus, Autarch) it looks good in a frozen in time pose for a photo but seems odd if you want a more in the *action* or *situation* model. Kinda similar to when Ulrik new models was released, some people like it for the martial contemplating battlefield but others dislike that specific pose.
Either way at a quick glance i can count up to 37 maybe 38ish models total.
The design is great, the execution of the pose is not.
Yeah I think the pose look super awkward too. Take aim or holding a rifle in 2 hand pose would have been fine. My prefer pose is kneeling on some scenery taking aim, like Illic Nightspear.
I have always been a fan of "open" poses, makes it a pleasure to paint since every part is reachable with no sup assembly painting required. They tend to photograph really well too.
These are fantastic models. Very good poses, nothing cartoony or over-designed (but every detail is excellent), and in my opinion most of them are really in tone with the setting.
One thing that might ruin this for me is if all heroes have to be in play regardless of how many people are playing. I'd rather the game scaled to the number of players or heroes being used. It could get too much of a drag if two people played this and had to do actions with all these heroes. I'd rather it was like silver tower where I picked one and then got on with it.
Thargrim wrote: One thing that might ruin this for me is if all heroes have to be in play regardless of how many people are playing. I'd rather the game scaled to the number of players or heroes being used. It could get too much of a drag if two people played this and had to do actions with all these heroes. I'd rather it was like silver tower where I picked one and then got on with it.
Any thoughtful designer would make encounter spawn based on number of player (like Silver tower did)
From the GW Instagram account. Easy to zoom in to reveal a few things.
The robot is "UR-D25" or "UR-025", "Imperial Robot", the lady with the flamer is a "missionary" ...
I count 36 minis total on the picture.
Looking at the tiles, it seems that some are corridors between rooms and that makes me think they will move around (also given the narrative in one video that GW released).
There are about 20 tiles not on the board as pictured, and which are on the side, again indicating that the board will be built as you play.
On the game board, it also looks like there are 2 layers of tiles at multiple places.
There are cards of Initiative, Encounter, ... and maybe Discovery and Expeditions? ... plus two other stacks I could not read the name of (Legacy?? .
There are two large cardboard templates that seem to be used to track what is happening during the game and to keep some cards on.
The template with cards on seems to have images of ships on it ...
The other one has 8 markers on one side, 4 of which have characters, while the other have an "hostile group" card ... and 4 markers on the other side, matching the hostile groups from the first side and the Encouter stack of cards.
Love this box!!!! The Aeldari Ranger looks like she just jumped down from the pole, so hard to take that pose seriously. The beastmen are dynamic and feral, the traitor guard have some great poses and are generally what I would imagine many have hoped for a great while now. Love the Chaos Marine boss and other Marines as well. Glad they went for a subdued design with the legionaries and the Champion looks menacing. My only gripe is that despite liking all of the heroes, none of them really calls out to me as the one I’d like to play. But taken as a whole probably the most exciting release in years for me!
I was up for more then 24 hours. I got bored of waiting. I slept.
Anyway, woke up to all'a this nonsense, so... what have we got.
Eldar Ranger: I'll say I was surprised just how very female she is. I think the mini looks great though. Preacher: Hot damn that is an incredible miniature. He's like a hyper-crazy bionic version of Kyrinov. Fantastic stuff. Missionary (if that's what she is... and if she is a she): Another fantastic miniature. Love the pose, the suitably silly/awesome flamesaw (I'll call it that 'til we know what it is). Ratlings(!): They're adorable. I actually really like them. Some people seem down on the idea of Ratlings being involved in this. I think it's a good thing to include. Mr. Robotto: Cool miniature. Interesting design. Hope it's something really old. Traitor Guard: Tremendous. Renegade Psyker: Gross, excellent. Ur-Ghuls: They're plastic. That's impressive enough. Beastmen of Some Variety: Not a good enough look. New CSMs: What the hell size base are they on? 40mm? They look enormous, but they also look like CSMs. I suspect they're PrimaChaos Marines, as there will never be another regular Marine release again. CSM Commander: Very characterful miniature. Cool lookin' hammer.
The pictures of the whole set show off what appear to be bigger rooms, but the pile'o'hexes off to the side still appears to be groups of single hexes or 3 hexes. We'll need a lot more in depth shots before I'm sold on the tiles. Yes, I'm very picky about that kind of thing.
The design is great, the execution of the pose is not.
Yeah I think the pose look super awkward too. Take aim or holding a rifle in 2 hand pose would have been fine. My prefer pose is kneeling on some scenery taking aim, like Illic Nightspear.
Except Ilic isn't aiming his rifle, he's holding it out to side very much like the female Ranger. The thing that I get from the Ranger pose is one trying to highlight a swift, graceful, agile being. The pose is very much a "dancer" pose, which is often exaggerated to show fluid movement (many dancers have to exaggerate movement so that people way back in audience can appreciate the movement). A static pose looks so "off" for many elves. That's probably why I like the Harlequin models.
The design is great, the execution of the pose is not.
Yeah I think the pose look super awkward too. Take aim or holding a rifle in 2 hand pose would have been fine. My prefer pose is kneeling on some scenery taking aim, like Illic Nightspear.
Except Ilic isn't aiming his rifle,
Yes I am ware that Illic is not taking aim, I mean the kneeling part similar to Illic,(or the Death Jester) but perharp I should write a longer sentence next time.
Favorite model: the new Sister of Battle. idk that she isn't officially a Sister of Battle because you know exactly what model I am talking to when I say “the new Sisters of Battle”, so I made my point.
Least favorite model: the eldar ranger. Pose looks absolutely terrible to me (or maybe it's because of the point of view they chose for the picture ?), the weird stockings thingy looks very out of place.
Like most of the model, not found of the basic CSM, the ur-ghuls are a lot of wasted potential because the basic design is great but the pose are weak, especially with duplicate, the renegade psyker looks ace. Navigator is interesting.
Damn. Apart from the Chaos Marines sticking with chibisize and the GW Studio take on robots continuing to leave me cold relative to the FW style, every goddamn thing in that box is appealing, and a lot of it is downright exciting.
The Renegade Guard are just...
Though they really do emphasize just how derpy the old plastic Cadians are.
The Ministorum Preacher and the "missionary" lady(?) are amazing. The floaty Chaos leader dude is both awesome on its own merit, and looks like it will finally make converting plastic Daemonhosts easy. A complete triumph on the basis of the miniatures alone, if the game turns out good as well I'll be extra happy.
We need a damn Skitarii HQ option, not another type of AdMech bot.
Speak for yourself, mate. The more robots the better!
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Galas wrote: Yeah, I'm sorry but Primaris have spoiled me, the poses of those chaos marines, even if the detail is more than fine, are underwhelming to say the least.
I was expecting something more similar to Dark Vengeance Chosen or DeathGuard marines, not... "Normal Chaos Marines but with a little more detail".
Of course, if the new multipart plastic box is like that I assume it will make many people happy. Just a new version of the same box (Like the tactical change or the new Tau firewarrior box) instead of a primarization of normal chaos marines.
Wow, couldn't disagree more, honestly. I think they look incredible! These look exactly the way that I'd expect non-Chosen Chaos Marines to look when sculpted in the same style as Dark Vengence.
I mean, they're also surely simplified poses relative to what we should expect from the full multi-part plastic kit.
Dread Master wrote: Looks to me like the new CSMs are bigger than the current lot but smaller than primaris. Can’t wait to get these in hand and painted up.
Yep, there's a comparison floating around out there. About the same scale as Plague Marines / TS
A) The robot has an assault cannon/mini-gun...this trend needs to die in a fire. We have 40K, a tremendous universe of possibilities and yet every GW design has the 1980's action movie obsession with miniguns. Really gets old (not to mention they rarely have an ammo feed appropriate for the gun). Unless you're wearing an MTV t-shirt, I don't want you carrying a minigun.
B) The CSM. This is a huge wasted opportunity. They're almost carbon-copies of the aesthetic from Dark Vengeance...just...larger and more boring. GW has finally put mass production behind things like MkIII and MkIV armour...they did a great job incorporating it in the Death Guard models, and yet we get another "generic Chaos" mark of armour that is kinda...nothing. I really wish GW would embrace the Horus Heresy origins which would look great on CSM models. Also..throw us some new helmets, or some old school bolters, or at the very least some chain mail bits, etc. The poses and styling of the new CSM seem really lazy...and not something I think was worth waiting for. I feel like someone totally different designed the traitor guard which are fresh, and interesting. I hope the new CSM kit (if one is indeed en route) is not based on this generic Chaos aesthetic they've been drowning in lately. The Lord, on the other hand, looks fantastic.
Dread Master wrote: Looks to me like the new CSMs are bigger than the current lot but smaller than primaris. Can’t wait to get these in hand and painted up.
Yep, there's a comparison floating around out there. About the same scale as Plague Marines / TS
@ Elbows : I get the disappointment. I think it has less to do with not embracing the Horus Heresy and more to do with working from the assumption that veterans of the long war have their own resources to Produce weapons and armor and the designs have evolved and also been altered by exposure to the warp. The plague marines of the death guard are less disposed to concern over maintaining or improving their equipment, so their armor and weapons have a more cobbled together and patchwork look that has at its base their original mark of legion armor. Just my two cents.
Looking forward to reviews of the game play. The minis look super awesome but I want it to be as good as Calth or Overkill and better than Silver Tower.
I also wonder if GW will make the Rogue Trader crew a possible option as heroes.
Loving the look of this so far, great variety and interesting models. The only real miss is the Ranger whos pose is too much like Corvus Belli or Raging Heroes for my tastes. Gonna be interesting to see how the actual games plays and whether it has some longevity to it.
Wow, couldn't disagree more, honestly. I think they look incredible! These look exactly the way that I'd expect non-Chosen Chaos Marines to look when sculpted in the same style as Dark Vengence.
I mean, they're also surely simplified poses relative to what we should expect from the full multi-part plastic kit.
Agreed. Dark Vengeance were also way too bus. Normal infantry models should not be crazy like they are.
So that’s another 9. At least 42 models in the box.
There’s also definitely at least one duplicate sprue in the box: apart from the similar marine poses, all Negavolt Cultists and Ur-ghuls look a lot alike in the picture. Definitely duplicates among the guard too.
Hope this is a sign of GW stepping away from forcing 8th Edition Chaos to be basically Heresy 2.0. Would love some non-Legion Chaos love, Renegades, Crimson Slaughter, proper old-school mutated Chaos Marines, etc.. to come back.
Dread Master wrote: Looks to me like the new CSMs are bigger than the current lot but smaller than primaris. Can’t wait to get these in hand and painted up.
Well if they want to avoid creating new type of chaos marines ala primaris without breaking scale they can't be primaris sized who are custodian sized who are head taller than space marines
Tyranid Horde wrote: Gotta say, very impressed all round with the set and it's probably something I'll buy.
I am disappointed with the ranger, the massive spirit stone doesn't coincide with the rest of the line and the chicken toed pose leaves it very jarring to look at.
Right there with you. The "sassy bad girl" Infinity-esque pose is a major drag. Totally out of character with the line and the aesthetic
I couldn't put my finger on it but you're right, it's very Infinity-esque.
I also don't see a sheath for her blade so I don't know where she's putting that.
Odd how there are no necrons though. You'd think they would be all over a blackstone fortress, considering how those were Old One weapons platforms. Unless that got retconned.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Odd how there are no necrons though. You'd think they would be all over a blackstone fortress, considering how those were Old One weapons platforms. Unless that got retconned.
Gotta save something for the inevitable expansion.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Odd how there are no necrons though. You'd think they would be all over a blackstone fortress, considering how those were Old One weapons platforms. Unless that got retconned.
Why would Necrons be all over it if it's an Old One weapon?
Orkmoticon.
