Another hard pass for me. No interest in the models this time around, and making it only two figures at their absurd character model price puts the nail in the coffin.
GW has definitely figured out the FFG school of sales now...you can jack up the price of anything when it comes with a few cards, tokens, and some pamphlets.
Elbows wrote: GW has definitely figured out the FFG school of sales now...you can jack up the price of anything when it comes with a few cards, tokens, and some pamphlets.
You know the best part? Probably those cardboard tokens are more expensive to produce for GW than the plastic sprues of the miniatures.
Chopstick wrote: Another 60US$ expansion and they can't squeeze in a single explorer to go along? Come on.....
That's actually a really good point. Enemy packs are fun (albeit expensive), but adding new playable characters into each pack would make it much more worth it. An ordo xenos inquisitor type, for the Ambull, a 'good' Imperial guardsperson for this new pack? Adding a hero with some new 'similarly flavored' enemies, makes each pack seem a lot more fun, and can potentially add more players too the game. Instead of just making more enemies/quests for the players you already have. In my BSF group, we can't always have the same people play every week, so we each have a particular character we use, and they come in when each of us can play. It makes things fun, as we get to try playing with different types of people, personalities, and ways of tackling challenges. Perhaps GW wants to make periodic BIG expansions, which will add in 2-3 more playable characters, but I think this would be much better.
I would love to see them add 'Rival' players to the game as well. Characters who specifically counter one (or more) of the player's characters on the board. Something a little more fun, and involving then just rando monsters for the 'enemy' player to push around. A Moriarty to mess with Holmes, a Master to thwart the Doctor, a Skeletor to curb stomp He-man!!!(myaaaaaahhh!)!!!! Plus, more cool character models...
My fear is that the characters they recently revealed as part of that arena combat game will either be stretched out into 2-3 $100 expansions, or, worse, get the Kill-Team Commanders treatment with overpriced boxes.
Putting them in one box as a $100 expansion. That'd be worthwhile.
You know if GW put half the effort they put into these monopose chaos guard into an actual multipose kit we could have an actual renegades and heretics codex. Just frustrating. They look good don't get me wrong, I just want to see them in 40k proper without being a 7 man unit forced to split 50/50 between lasguns/pistol ccw and one guy only getting grenades of all things
I’ll echo what many have said, despite how awesome looking these WQ:BSF expansions are, they simply feel very overpriced compared to what I am getting from a similar investment in W:Underworlds or Kill Team (most all have minis & cardboard). Thus I will not be buying these expansions.
MrMoustaffa wrote: You know if GW put half the effort they put into these monopose chaos guard into an actual multipose kit we could have an actual renegades and heretics codex. Just frustrating. They look good don't get me wrong, I just want to see them in 40k proper without being a 7 man unit forced to split 50/50 between lasguns/pistol ccw and one guy only getting grenades of all things
Bsf looks great by itself without needing them in 40k other than kill team they are good.
I agree that renegades got the worst index in the game and got nothing but hate abs nerfing by gw and I’ve been crusading for a real codex or at the very least an index to allow guard to be used with chaos just like brood brothers to genestealer cults.
But alas all we get is bsf as the only consolation prize and it’s expensive if your just using the models and not the rest of the game.
I’ve given up on love from gw so I’m just trying to find ways to make this work.
Doesn't change the fact that he has a point.
We now would have basically nearly every type of special unit for a R&H army beyond muties, however A the models are fixed in equipment B and worst of all in the rules.
7guardsmen with varia equipment is just euughh, same with the gellerpox / Rogue traders.
It is also rather aggrevating when you look at the rules for the models but you are not allowed to field them as aR&H choices. No instead we get these extremely limited models and 0 afterthought for an index that needs attention.
Also the guardsmen might had a lasgun on his shoulders, however gw didn't bother to actually allow him to use it.
All in all, it just feels like such wasted oppurtunity.
I don't think it's a wasted opportunity if they actually come out with their codex and use these models as a basis for a new kit. Seems like what has been done in the past.
Flinty wrote: I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun
Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.
FWIW, yeah, the only datasheet difference is that guy also has krak grenades while the other lasgunners just have frag.
You know that the model throwing the grenade does have any different wargear right? It’s just modelled differently they all have the same grenades and has the same lasgun as the other lasgunners
Flinty wrote: I would suggest that if they particular model was to be used in 40k, he would in fact get to fire his lasgun
Within the confines of BSF the grenades are a much better weapon anyway, so why wouldn't he use them.
FWIW, yeah, the only datasheet difference is that guy also has krak grenades while the other lasgunners just have frag.
You know that the model throwing the grenade does have any different wargear right? It’s just modelled differently they all have the same grenades and has the same lasgun as the other lasgunners
I know that he does have any different wargear, right.
GW does mechanically represent the grenade guys differently. Not a choice I'd make, but it is what they did. If that's not what you're getting at, I don't understand your (rhetorical?) question.
I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?
That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.
Eldar, Necron or Slann are more likely to turn up as Explorers, though.
After the Chaos models - that have probably been there right from the beginning during development - I’d rather see more of the Fortress’ own denizens than simply adding in Eldar or Necron for no good reason.
SamusDrake wrote: I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?
That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.
Why pass on the core game, which is great fun, just because one of the (many) expansions doesn't quite take your fancy? One 9f the benefits of this release method is that you're not tied into getting stuff you don't actually want because it's attached to some larger expansion. The down side is that the packs do seem a bit steep. Even more important then to only get the stuff that interests you. If loads of ambulls sell, but very few of the chaos command, then hopefully GW will direct their efforts elsewhere.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Eldar, Necron or Slann are more likely to turn up as Explorers, though.
After the Chaos models - that have probably been there right from the beginning during development - I’d rather see more of the Fortress’ own denizens than simply adding in Eldar or Necron for no good reason.
I can see both characters and enemies that are Aeldari, Necron, or Slann. Aeldari Corsairs or Drukhari especially would work well as enemies- there is no reason they would play nice with an Aeldari explorer, even if the explorer was the same kind of Eldar.
Likewise, there could easily be an outcast Cryptek/Lord hero exploring the fortress who is forced to work alongside the others for support, and fighting against Canoptek forces of a rival from another Necron faction. Or maybe the Necron antagonists could be Flayed ones, with a Flayed Lord leading them (=cool new models). Flayed ones would be likely to fight against other Necrons.
SamusDrake wrote: I was thinking of getting BSF after impulsing purchasing The Dreaded Ambull( Good miniature and interesting manuals ), but not so sure now. With all the possibilties of the ancient Slann, Necrons and even the Eldar( probably old enough to understand something of the Fortress ) - they chose more ex-imperial guard units?
That is soooooo boring, and if charging another £35 for two average characters, which are not much different from the Chaos characters in the core game, nah. Hard pass on BSF.
Why pass on the core game, which is great fun, just because one of the (many) expansions doesn't quite take your fancy? One 9f the benefits of this release method is that you're not tied into getting stuff you don't actually want because it's attached to some larger expansion. The down side is that the packs do seem a bit steep. Even more important then to only get the stuff that interests you. If loads of ambulls sell, but very few of the chaos command, then hopefully GW will direct their efforts elsewhere.
You are right that I could bite the bullet on the core game and just not purchase this new pack, but it makes me wonder if we are to expect mostly chaos-themed packs down the road.
That said, White Dwarf might balance things off with rules for other, existing models from other races...
There have been 2 packs formally released or announced and the imperial agents teased. Of the 3 only 1 is chaos related so far. Also the core box is entirely complete and self contained so worrying about whether or not you want to spend more money at some indeterminate future in upgrade packs seems a little out of sequence
Automatically Appended Next Post: While I don't like the models that much, if the quest seems worthwhile I might try and pick up the card stock and rule book cheap on eBay Easy enough to proxy models in if needed.
If this new expansion is the same price as the Ambull one, I might try to get the rules for a tiny fee (might even get them for free from someone at the shop), and convert a Chaos Ogryn and comissar. But at the same time, I'm not sure that many people would buy it just for the minis. There's nothing quite as unique as the Ambull, and if the 40K rules happen to be bonkers, people might just convert the minis themselves…
So I'm really hoping for a reasonable price here.
Flinty wrote: There have been 2 packs formally released or announced and the imperial agents teased. Of the 3 only 1 is chaos related so far. Also the core box is entirely complete and self contained so worrying about whether or not you want to spend more money at some indeterminate future in upgrade packs seems a little out of sequence
Automatically Appended Next Post: While I don't like the models that much, if the quest seems worthwhile I might try and pick up the card stock and rule book cheap on eBay Easy enough to proxy models in if needed.
See thats the thing - the core box is full of chaos dudes! At first I was like "Urgh, no thanks - don't fancy painting up those chaps", and then Ambull comes along "ah, it was just the core box and they'll be doing some thing different from now on", then the chaos is back and its "so really, someone at GW is obsessed with Chaos and BSF is what it is afterall". Not sure what to think of the Imperial chaps...inquisitors aren't they from a separate combat game? Just bolstering whats already there?
To be fair, its not something I feel that strongly about to the point of pitch forks'n'blood hounds, and I'm actually happy for the Chaos fans out there. Its just that so far the Quest series has been nothing but Chaos...the only one that seemed different was Silver Tower as the Tzeentch are visually unique compared to the other commonly barbaric factions of Chaos. One thing I will say for BSF - the player hero characters are pretty good and varied. Quite like the Eldar-ranger, the Tau Kroot-tracker and the robot...the rest aren't too bad either.
Thinking on it further, I do like that "Laybrinth of the Necrons" from Barnes & Noble, and it would have been an ideal theme for a Quest game - certainly a change from the angry-ones from the eye of terror...
All said and done, I'm well chuffed with the Ambull. Lovely miniature to paint and adding it to other games has been straight forward.
For me, it feels to early to treat the first two expansions out of the gate as the standard.
Right now, we're still at the stage of people discovering the game for the first time. So any expansions may well benefit from being smol. I know international prices don't match, but for me, £35 is about nice. Yes I'd have preferred cheaper, don't be silly. But £35 I don't feel is too much.
In time, we may see larger, more in depth expansions (such as a new group of explorers and adversaries), to tempt those of us who've completed the initial stuff back. Not only are more models always nice, but it would be interesting to see how a new group deal with the Ambull etc.
I'm still hoping for more BSF internal defence gribblies. Those drones are so not-40k in style that I want more!
Ideally, I think I'd like three, maybe four smol expansions a year, and one significant one. That'll help keep the experience fresh and challenging, without requiring constant outlay the way playing 40k does.
I don't really mind the price of the expansions. Just feel they are a bit too small in scope (especially the last one) to really get excited about them. I would have much prefered to pay a 100$ and to have a few more minis thrown in
Right now, we're still at the stage of people discovering the game for the first time. So any expansions may well benefit from being smol. I know international prices don't match, but for me, £35 is about nice. Yes I'd have preferred cheaper, don't be silly. But £35 I don't feel is too much.
The price is a major issue for me. The Ambots are "only" £25 and that box feels like it's much better value for money.
The international pricing makes the box even worse value for money. I have access to UK discounters through my family back in the UK, so I could potentially get the Ambull for £27. My local GW sells the Ambull for £44.22 after BC sales tax is added on top. The cheapest Canadian discounted price comes out to £35.50 but I'd need to spend twice that to avoid paying for shipping (which is not cheap over here).
Honestly, I want to buy from my local shop but I simply can't justify it. This one should have been cheaper. If it were the price of the Ambots I'd get it locally.
The price is a major issue for me. The Ambots are "only" £25 and that box feels like it's much better value for money.
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The Ambots are a couple sprues in a box. The Ambull is a single sprue. I assume after awhile the Ambull may get a clampack release, but it will be cheaper, like the Shadespire warbands.
But the addition of 31 cards, 3 oversize character cards, a cardboard counter sheet, the 16pg mission packet, and the special envelope w card all make it cost much more to produce.
The diminishing demand effect of game expansions, where not every buyer of BSF will purchase the expansion, is considered when pricing as well, I am sure.
Anyone buying it just for the miniature is not the target customer, so of course the price is higher.
I really think they should expand on the BSF Drone side of things, like the deeper you go, the more dangerous, aggressive and larger the drones get. Like the current ones are just the 'first line' so to speak, and delving deeper into the Fortress sees it really wake up and start to throw scary unknown gak at you.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really think they should expand on the BSF Drone side of things, like the deeper you go, the more dangerous, aggressive and larger the drones get. Like the current ones are just the 'first line' so to speak, and delving deeper into the Fortress sees it really wake up and start to throw scary unknown gak at you.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really think they should expand on the BSF Drone side of things, like the deeper you go, the more dangerous, aggressive and larger the drones get. Like the current ones are just the 'first line' so to speak, and delving deeper into the Fortress sees it really wake up and start to throw scary unknown gak at you.
I'd happily pay £35 for BSF expansions. Sadly I have to pay £52, so it's a pass for me.
Maybe the drones could be an otherwise extinct race in themselves either enslaved to the fortress or hiding there from an enemy that perished long ago. Could be cool to have a race with some actual technology and advncement that are not the Tau.
I'm going to be biting the bullet and will buying a copy of the base game this week and I've been debating getting the Ambull expansion with it. Has anyone played with that expansion yet and is it worth the money?
I'd also like to know if there has ever been a need for surplus models outside of the base game in certain encounters? eBay seems to be full of extras which I could pick up if need be.
No. You may have a situation where one or more Hostile groups is a couple of models short (for example, Hostile group 1 is 3 Ur-Guls. Hostile group 2 is also 3 Ur-Ghuls, but you only deploy 1 because there's only four in the box), but this is deliberate, I think - to avoid getting too swamped by hostiles. Reinforcements can potentially arrive for an understrength (or even zero-strength!) group.
You could buy extras and have additional Hostiles on the map, but that'd make the game harder.
Yeah, it would just be making the game harder. It makes the game kinda swingy, because sometimes you get like 4 dudes from 3 enemy spawn points and you wipe them out without batting an eye; those 3 points could also, on a bad day, swamp you with nearly 20 guys and, due to it being a drawn-out fight, you get two 4x respawns so you have 25+ baddies in the same scenario.
In short, like most GW, it's swingy, and you may end up house ruling.
FWIW, we've had some rough games but IIRC about 1/10 fights have ended up with any of us getting KOd. Not a hard game, but far more challenging than Silver Tower.
Definitely buy the base game and try it first....before buying expansions. It was pretty underwhelming for our gaming group and now I'm just painting the minis for use in our 40K campaign instead of using them for the game.
If you're looking for a serious, involved, or expansive RPG or strategy game, yeah, it's not impressive. Our group's full of busy and/or tired people, so a co-op romp that you can't sleep through but isn't horribly punishing definitely fills a niche.
And yeah, the expansions are too damned expensive to buy in to them without having played the core IMHO.
A question for those who have played BSF; given that it has expansions where the previous games did not( Well, none that I can recall ), should the core game have been slightly smaller?
By smaller I mean along the lines of 5 heroes and 25 hostiles.
Tyranid Horde wrote: I'm going to be biting the bullet and will buying a copy of the base game this week and I've been debating getting the Ambull expansion with it. Has anyone played with that expansion yet and is it worth the money?
I bought the Ambull set for £28 but not BSF itself. If you also plan to use the Ambull for 40K and can get similar discount then I'd recommend it. Otherwise watch some youtube playthroughs before purchasing.
Considering the Ambull is the size of an Ork Megaboss( £24 ) and the borewyrms, manuals, tokens, cards and packaging are worth about £10...the price seems logical, but feels like a £30 product at best. The models are a joy to work with and the materials actually make one want to buy the full game itself. Its quite interesting that there is an advert for First Strike in the box, as I've been thinking of pitting the Ambull against the primaris from that very box set...
I think BSF wouldn't have been hurt much by having one fewer non-human sniping classes, and I think that they probably could have swapped in another type of baddie, but I think the game could have been a little larger, if anything: add another boss or another alien type of goon.
I mostly think that the expansions should have been larger or cheaper. I've been tempted by both, but expect I won't get the Ambull unless either I finish the core painting or it looks like they'll be discontinued, and the chaos expansion is pretty uninspired so I probably won't buy it unless it's dramatically cheaper than the ambull one.
I think the 2 best parts of the new WHQ are much more elaborate character designs/trading (though the "inspired" mechanic is not the most exciting) and that fights are actually threatening, unlike ST at least.
Re: previous expansions, no, IIRC there weren't any unless you count rules for existing models as one side or the other.
That's why I think the expansions should be proper expansions like the ones from Old Quest - a named character (or characters) to fight, with a few scattered bodyguard/important troops miniatures to go with them, lots of new objectives, rooms, new tiles as well, plus all the other associated things. Plus it'd add new between-mission stuff, or expand upon what's already there.
I'll admit, once I saw the direction of the expansions my enthusiasm for BSF dwindled (and it was already "meh" from my game play experiences). High dollar baddies do not an expansion make.
I'm starting to feel like BSF player characters were just an excuse for GW to sell a bunch of models of stuff that only a few people were really screaming for.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really think they should expand on the BSF Drone side of things, like the deeper you go, the more dangerous, aggressive and larger the drones get. Like the current ones are just the 'first line' so to speak, and delving deeper into the Fortress sees it really wake up and start to throw scary unknown gak at you.
I'd happily pay £35 for BSF expansions. Sadly I have to pay £52, so it's a pass for me.
THIS, and a reproduction and rerelease of those older previously released Dark Eldar creatures in an expansion pack. I'm tracking them down myself, but it would be great to get them rereleased and given the 8th edition treatment of those fine-cast ones from before. Yeah, it's great to add in a team of Gladiators, but the creatures are what would really be great to see in the dark...
Currently no one has them yet, and there's been almost no info. If we're lucky, the commissar will be HQ since that would allow a very serviceable, cheap battalion from the Servants list, which would also fill a half-decent traitor force. One would expect the ogryn is elite: while that slot is pretty busy, it's not actually crowded, since the psykers are a free slot with Obsidius, and the Negavolts are such trash that I can't imagine anyone would take them.
FWIW, unfortunately there's no way to field the collection with a transport, so it's just a small footslogging force. I haven't experiemented yet, but I expect really what you're buying is a pair of cheap smite characters and the rest is filler for command points and bodies, if you're fielding the force as anything halfway competitive.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Currently no one has them yet, and there's been almost no info. If we're lucky, the commissar will be HQ since that would allow a very serviceable, cheap battalion from the Servants list, which would also fill a half-decent traitor force. One would expect the ogryn is elite: while that slot is pretty busy, it's not actually crowded, since the psykers are a free slot with Obsidius, and the Negavolts are such trash that I can't imagine anyone would take them.
FWIW, unfortunately there's no way to field the collection with a transport, so it's just a small footslogging force. I haven't experiemented yet, but I expect really what you're buying is a pair of cheap smite characters and the rest is filler for command points and bodies, if you're fielding the force as anything halfway competitive.
I’m hoping they are both hqs because if you take mallex The max number of troops is 2x traitor guard and not enough for a battalion unless they drop the restrictions
H.B.M.C. wrote: If that were the case it'd be cheaper not to make them.
I'm just venting. I find it kind of disappointing that BSF fails at one of the things that made Silver Tower more 'personal'- the fact that you probably had a model in your collection that could be played in the game, or could at least go out and buy one of those playable individuals (or make one from your own kits in some cases).
I can't bring myself to get really excited about any of the BSF main characters, though I do appreciate their unique appearance and aesthetics, none are something I would particularly enjoy playing as in a dungeon crawler/adventure game.
We're currently working on testing something, and very likely are going to play through the game as a collection of heretics/heretic astartes.
Urgh, you get the chance to play as some really character individuals in BSF, up against the odds and some scary CSM, playing as LSM loses a lot of that flavour, but to each their own
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: Urgh, you get the chance to play as some really character individuals in BSF, up against the odds and some scary CSM, playing as LSM loses a lot of that flavour, but to each their own
The conversion we're working on comes with a dramatic increase in what you're up against. We're working in Terminators and even a Hellbrute.
"Playing as set character individuals" has less appeal to our group than "playing as our own characters, using our own models".
Personally, I think that the scope of the game is pretty strong, as-is. It's also pretty hard to justify either variety of Marine in the setting, as loyalists are really hard-line and no one would trust CSM.
I could easily see re-skinning many of the characters as some sort of subtle chaos character (I mean, apparently the locals are ready to believe true AI is a basic beep-boop robot so probably wouldn't notice a little mutation), and the robot could get repurposed as a true renegade (not (yet) heretic) marine.
ulfhednir, yeah, I think they're a decent bit of design space. I wish they'd decided the unit was more on the heavy side, but their price is about right. I've only been playing armies with strong in-faction buffs, but want to try them out as soon as I'm not playing aura-buff characters as hard.
There's multiple factions assaulting the Blackstone Fortress, and plenty of weird incursions to boot. The game defaults to a particular Rogue Trader's group, but there's no reason there couldn't be other teams vying for the Fortress's secrets - from Space Marine kill teams, to Chaos Marine Renegades or a Necron Cryptarch or even a displaced Tyranid organism (or three) as allies or enemies.
In fact, I'd like to see an option where each player is running their own team to vie for the Fortess's secrets, with options to plot against or co-operate with each other, all the while having their own secret objectives.
Not quite a team (what you're wanting is basically for each player to play a solo campaign with some crossover elements - I can see a rough outline of how that would work), but you can definitely play the game out of the box in a semi-competitive mode. Certain Challenges already allow for that and there's nothing stopping you keeping the good loot for yourself (or, for example, holding on to another player's Inspired-triggering item).
Thanks for the advice guys, I didn't pick up the Ambull expansion and instead went for the base game (with 20% off RRP, woo!). I've been assembling the models this weekend and I'm seriously impressed by the renegade guardsmen. I haven't had a chance to play the game yet or even fully read the rules.
I really hope they don't add marines into the game, and I hope we don't see many more renegades or chaos expansions after the command set. More expansions on the alien side of the 40k universe please!
Tyranid Horde wrote: Thanks for the advice guys, I didn't pick up the Ambull expansion and instead went for the base game (with 20% off RRP, woo!). I've been assembling the models this weekend and I'm seriously impressed by the renegade guardsmen. I haven't had a chance to play the game yet or even fully read the rules.
I really hope they don't add marines into the game, and I hope we don't see many more renegades or chaos expansions after the command set. More expansions on the alien side of the 40k universe please!
You can expect one or two, I'm sure, but they aren't honestly needed. You will be fine for awhile with the base game, and it has a LOT of miles on it. Compared to the old game, its like 3 add ons in the base set with the selection you get.
The expansions are like add ons to a game. Do they have people from EA working on it?
Personally I like the expansions and it adds more to the game for when you finish the main campaign
ulfhednir86 wrote: The expansions are like add ons to a game. Do they have people from EA working on it?
Expansions like those are really common in board games, these days. I would say that board gamers tend to be disappointed if anything larger than a small game doesn't see at least a couple expansions.
ulfhednir86 wrote: The expansions are like add ons to a game. Do they have people from EA working on it?
Personally I like the expansions and it adds more to the game for when you finish the main campaign
IIRC, GW's Talisman had a bunch of mini-expansions, typically heroes. HeroQuest had something like four expansions, but two were UK-only, iirc. Space Crusade had two expansions, but also had expansions in their house magazine (orcs and tyranids) which were a pain to track down and find.
GW's old foe, FFG, has shown you can have plenty of expansions for a dungeoncrawl, as well as a second edition for it. But you certainly don't have to buy all of it, particularly if you haven't run out of content.
ced1106 wrote: IIRC, GW's Talisman had a bunch of mini-expansions, typically heroes. HeroQuest had something like four expansions, but two were UK-only, iirc. Space Crusade had two expansions, but also had expansions in their house magazine (orcs and tyranids) which were a pain to track down and find.
GW's old foe, FFG, has shown you can have plenty of expansions for a dungeoncrawl, as well as a second edition for it. But you certainly don't have to buy all of it, particularly if you haven't run out of content.
Just because Space Crusade got a mention, you can no longer use Space Crusade space marine minis at Warhammer World as Space Marines. Just, FYI.
Hi, i dont know if this is anywhere but i didint found it.
Is it possible to play this game without a master? Or do you need one like a classic role game?
Im tempted to buy it but i only know 2 or 3 people at most who would want to play so if any of us have to be the master it would be cool.
FlatAutumn wrote: Hi, i dont know if this is anywhere but i didint found it.
Is it possible to play this game without a master? Or do you need one like a classic role game?
Im tempted to buy it but i only know 2 or 3 people at most who would want to play so if any of us have to be the master it would be cool.
No need for a DM, you can play it solo if you like
I mostly want to know (and hope) that the traitor command guys are HQs on the tabletop so we can make it a battalion.
I can’t wait to get the expansion for both my tabletop army and to add to my blackstone fortress game when I get it this week. I hope it has its own quest line like the ambul expansion has.
I’m probably not going to get the ambul but it would be interesting if the traitor command units could be used as heroes in the game (maybe in the envelope you open after you complete the quest).
The ambull.expansion has some nice tweaks for rolling into the encounter pack. I was planning on hunting the thing down after I complete the main adventure but the additional challenges and combat layouts add an interesting twist even now.
I'm not really taken by the traitor command expansion, but hopefully there will be plenty of sets sans models being put up on Ebay by chaos commanders to scavenge
Flinty wrote: The ambull.expansion has some nice tweaks for rolling into the encounter pack. I was planning on hunting the thing down after I complete the main adventure but the additional challenges and combat layouts add an interesting twist even now.
I'm not really taken by the traitor command expansion, but hopefully there will be plenty of sets sans models being put up on Ebay by chaos commanders to scavenge
Don’t get me wrong I would love the ambul but I get 1 buy a year and the command works better with my traitor guard. Although the ambul would be great with my chaos and my space wolves (as an ice troll) for the tt and the campaign itself looks great. But I’m sure they would put some extras into the traitor command box to make it worth it. Like I said if they make it so the traitor commanders are usable as hero’s it would be awesome.
Do we have any more news on traitor command?
Tyranid Horde wrote: About as much news as we have on the Combat Arena game, which I'm patiently waiting for...
likewise. Did they do Kill team stats for the Ambull? I hope if they did then they also do it for the traitor commisar and ogryn as well.
Has anyone used the ambull expansion? Is it worth the money?
I've got it
The models.are nice and the extra challenges and map bits.are pretty cool. I haven't gone hunting yet, but I'm rolling the basic bits into my normal.campaign deck. Come across the ambull once so.far. on it's own my 4 guys took it down quickly, but it hits damn hard. I can see it being a.major challenge with other bad guys around.
I think it's worth it. Regarding kill team, it would just be the 40k stats that come in the set.
In Monday's Warhammer Community article for the preview of May's White Dwarf, there will be additional rules for the controller of the hostiles which might be fun:
Hostile Threat Detected
Some additional rules that grant the hostile player even greater powers to thwart the explorers. What exactly are ‘nemesis dice’? Trust us when we tell you they’re bad for the explorers. Really bad.
Am I the only one who is a bit worried that the Traitor Command and the Combat Arena game hasn't been released yet and that nothing new has been announced? I've decided that BF is going to be the one thing i play and paint this summer, and I'm almost done painting the core set and the Ambull - and now nothing's happening....
No, not really. I've still not finished the campaign from the base game - never mind the Ambull missions or the one from White Dwarf. If you've not started yet, concentrate on what you've got and don't worry yet about what's still to come.
If there's five of you playing, though, pick up this month's (May) White Dwarf; the additional rules for the Hostiles player gives them something more to do.
GW has bigger fish to fry at the moment. Something tells me the expensive Ambull expansion isn't flying off the shelves. The shine of the game has worn off and GW isn't racing to support it heavily or actively. I'll be shocked if expansions continue without pause.
I think they'll be used as gap-fillers for 40K when there's a big AoS release. It could be in the next couple weeks if Forbidden powers takes a lot of media hype / release slots, but next week's pre-order makes it look like smallish release.
Otherwise in July alongside Warcry.
aloisriegl wrote: Am I the only one who is a bit worried that the Traitor Command and the Combat Arena game hasn't been released yet and that nothing new has been announced? I've decided that BF is going to be the one thing i play and paint this summer, and I'm almost done painting the core set and the Ambull - and now nothing's happening....
No, lots of people are worried about it--but few seem to remember that those items were revealed at trade shows rather than at gaming events.
aloisriegl wrote: Am I the only one who is a bit worried that the Traitor Command and the Combat Arena game hasn't been released yet and that nothing new has been announced? I've decided that BF is going to be the one thing i play and paint this summer, and I'm almost done painting the core set and the Ambull - and now nothing's happening....
They seem to be covering the game in White Dwarf with new rules and missions( check out the current issue ), and then of course we can expect the additional characters, as was provided for the previous WHQ games. For example, they did the Zangor Shaman as a playable character.
The Ambull set wasn't that long released after being announced so the Traitor Command set should be up for release very soon. I'm betting on a pre-order in the next two weeks...
Escalation is the thrilling next chapter in the story of Blackstone Fortress, pitting you against a threat not just to Precipice, but to the Imperium itself. In this latest expansion, Obsidius Mallex has gained control of a portion of the alien space station’s apocalyptic power, and now threatens to bring it to bear against his foes. Before, you were battling for treasure – now, you’re fighting for survival.
Like the Dreaded Ambull before it, Escalation offers a new quest for Blackstone Fortress. However, the quest for the sinister Black Shrines offers new twists on the core gameplay of Warhammer Quest and promises to be a challenge for even the most seasoned pack of adventurers.
You won’t be going in alone, however. Escalation brings four new Explorers to the game (and one very loyal Servitor!), offering you new options for your adventures and allowing you to own some iconic characters in plastic, like an Adeptus Ministorum Crusader and Primaris Psyker. Escalation will be the first time fans outside of the USA can get their hands on these models (if you’re in the United States, you’ll also be able to track them down in the Combat Arena game).
It’s not just the good guys* getting some reinforcements, but the Servants of the Abyss, with a brand new set of cultists, led by a literal Firebrand. These guys feature a more occult and barbarous aesthetic than their Traitor Guard brethren from the main set, helping shed some light on the dizzying diversity of the Slaves to Darkness.
There’s also a comment I’m finding it hard not to read into in the same article.
UKGE reveal article wrote:These guys feature a more occult and barbarous aesthetic than their Traitor Guard brethren from the main set, helping shed some light on the dizzying diversity of the Slaves to Darkness.
Reading between the lines, possibly with more Hope than Realism, I’m seeing it as a tease of what’s to come for 40k.
An expansion with new heroes and new villains. Here's hoping for new tiles, but even without them this is a solid release. Far better than the pathetic Chaos Commissar/Ogryn nonsense.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm excited for how this ports to 40K. Cultists that have more options could do wonders for MSU word bearers.
We know exactly how it'll port to 40K. The new unit will be exactly 8 models in size, have a Firebrand with a Flamer, a Champion with Autopistol & Chainsword, one Cultist w/Heavy Stubber, one Cultist w/Grenade Launcher, and four Cultists w/Autoguns.
What, you were expecting options? This is modern GW. You don't get any options.
H.B.M.C. wrote: We know exactly how it'll port to 40K. The new unit will be exactly 8 models in size, have a Firebrand with a Flamer, a Champion with Autopistol & Chainsword, one Cultist w/Heavy Stubber, one Cultist w/Grenade Launcher, and four Cultists w/Autoguns.
What, you were expecting options? This is modern GW. You don't get any options.
For now, yes. That's just the consequence of these psuedo kits. The CSM made it to 40K. Traitor Guard and these guys will, too... eventually.
Cultists from the 6th edition box set never got a proper box with options, just a reduced sprue that took options away. I think your optimism is a bit unfounded.
But still, good to see a proper expansion for BSF, finally.
Quasistellar wrote: As amazing as the Crusader looks, it’s rather depressing that a model with a gigantic inquisition symbol can’t be taken in an Inquisition detachment.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
However...with the somewhat surprisingly expensive previous tiny-not-worth-it expansions...I fear to imagine what this could cost. Something tells me this'll be a friggin $100 expansion which would really sour the whole thing.
Quasistellar wrote: As amazing as the Crusader looks, it’s rather depressing that a model with a gigantic inquisition symbol can’t be taken in an Inquisition detachment.
It's not the Inquisitiorial seal.
That's the Ecclesiarchy's symbol.
Indeed you are correct. Seems they’ve completely separated them from Inquisition. (Old ones had inquisition symbol and a kinda hybrid inquisition/Ecclesiarchy symbol on shield).
Just more evidence that Inquisition is being abandoned completely?
Quasistellar wrote: As amazing as the Crusader looks, it’s rather depressing that a model with a gigantic inquisition symbol can’t be taken in an Inquisition detachment.
It's not the Inquisitiorial seal.
That's the Ecclesiarchy's symbol.
Indeed you are correct. Seems they’ve completely separated them from Inquisition. (Old ones had inquisition symbol and a kinda hybrid inquisition/Ecclesiarchy symbol on shield).
Just more evidence that Inquisition is being abandoned completely?
Just more evidence that the Ecclesiarchy is becoming a distinct faction once more, I’d say, rather.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
It's worth mentioning that Combat Arena isn't even available here in the US that I've seen. Nor is Dreadfane.
porkuslime wrote: I like the female cultists much better than the male ones..
I don’t. Can’t unsee the Chaos Cropped Tanktops. Seems like offering salads to vegetarians. “Everyone get your bondage harnesses on! Except you girls, no ‘free the nipples’ here!” Think I’ll try to write cheeky slogan on them...
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
It's worth mentioning that Combat Arena isn't even available here in the US that I've seen. Nor is Dreadfane.
Might not be out yet. Last year at the New York Toy Fair in February they previewed Blitz Bowl and Space Marine Adventures and they previewed bothgames again at Gen Con in August.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
It's worth mentioning that Combat Arena isn't even available here in the US that I've seen. Nor is Dreadfane.
Might not be out yet. Last year at the New York Toy Fair in February they previewed Blitz Bowl and Space Marine Adventures and they previewed bothgames again at Gen Con in August.
It isn't out yet. I'd originally typed a question at you, but then I dug a bit and saw that none of them are available.
This, again, goes to show:
People need to understand that trade shows aren't the same as wargame events.
Quasistellar wrote: As amazing as the Crusader looks, it’s rather depressing that a model with a gigantic inquisition symbol can’t be taken in an Inquisition detachment.
It's not the Inquisitiorial seal.
That's the Ecclesiarchy's symbol.
Indeed you are correct. Seems they’ve completely separated them from Inquisition. (Old ones had inquisition symbol and a kinda hybrid inquisition/Ecclesiarchy symbol on shield).
Just more evidence that Inquisition is being abandoned completely?
Just more evidence that the Ecclesiarchy is becoming a distinct faction once more, I’d say, rather.
Agreed. Good news for Ecclesiarchy rather than bad for the Inquisition.
Feel like you’re just trying to use the evidence to say they are dropping Inquisition, then when a fact comes, you just say the same thing again but including that new info..
I mean the Inquisition has had releases, albeit in Eisenhower special form, but clearly not being abandoned (and just look at BL and fluff, there’s a lot of mention of them, no less now than before..)
Its more likely its a one-off model that isn't indicative to a change in focus (positive or negative) of either faction. Sometimes they just like doing models they think are neat and never follow up trying to build a pattern for a whole army out of a single model..
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
There's a notable difference however between a 3rd party agent not reselling their products internationally, compared to main GW not selling a direct boxed game internationally.
Also unless I'm missing anything what has the New York toy fair got to do with German releases? It's an abstract leap to assume anything shown there is unique to US and Germany by default.
Lord Damocles wrote: There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
Did they say that these board games would be in wide release?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I seem to recall them saying that they'd be available later on and not just in that box. Lo and behold, they are. What's the problem again?
Voss wrote: Its more likely its a one-off model that isn't indicative to a change in focus (positive or negative) of either faction. Sometimes they just like doing models they think are neat and never follow up trying to build a pattern for a whole army out of a single model..
Oh in terms of getting a faction release for 40k? No this means nothing for any of them.
My reply was in terms of GW ‘forgetting about the Inquisition’ not being a thing. They just have an order / priority for things..
Whether they will ever get full 40k treatment... maybe
Lord Damocles wrote: There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
Did they say that these board games would be in wide release?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I seem to recall them saying that they'd be available later on and not just in that box. Lo and behold, they are. What's the problem again?
And this is just the same anger there was when SM Heroes first came out in Japan, people got mad, but GW never said it was going to be worldwide.
(Though in that instance look, years of persistence did pay off..)
(Though in that instance look, years of persistence did pay off..)
No, years of those who cannot be spoken of on dakka making money hand over fist doing that which cannot be spoken of on dakka and threatening GW's copyright in some markets (because that *IS* a thing) convinced them they may need to do something.
Not as keen on this cultists as I was on the others, but they are nice though. And variety is the spice of life and all that.
The heroes are excellent though. Techpriest and servitor are the standouts for me. The pistol wielding pirate girl is about the weakest for me though. So many ways they could have went with a pegleg and they went with that. The Crusader is nice, but now we have 3 of the same model with the exact same pose. Bit unfortunate.
Yeah, peg leg is pretty damn silly (good luck fighting on, well, pretty much anything? Lessee... soft will sink; wood will stick; gravel will shift; anything slick like a polished surface will slide; anything perforated or with cracks is straight out; stone will probably hurt your knee unless there's there's a ton of padding in that guard... uh, let's go with maybe painful, over unusable. Maybe also metal.).
On the Crusader, I think they were going with a "classic" look, but, yeah, it's a bit weak. Maybe when Sisters relaunch they'll have more than 1.5 poses
Many of these characters have a flat pose so they can all fit in the small sprue with less bits. Unlike say Silver Tower where everyone get their own character sprue.
I guess you can tell just from looking at the pictures, especially for the grunt cultists. The characters on the other hand do look a little flat, but as what will likely be push-fit what more can be expected?
No, but look king at how they pose I reckon this is the same sculptor for Blackstone Fortress and Rogue Trader Killteam., their pose always have a very flat 2d feeling. So I reckon this team would've been the same as those 2.
That's also remind me of the T-pose Ur-ghul and I hope no model had to suffer the t-pose curse just because the sprue space run out. As least the bored-pose CSM get a full-blown release and their own set with much better pose and sculpt.
Some of the models don't lend themselves well to the flat poses, but on the whole the models in Blackstone are pretty damn good and are way better than the Rogue Trader models.
Sorry, I edited the images while you were posting.
They (like the other BSF minis) look pretty dynamic to me, where appropriate. I mean, it's not capoeira-over-tactical-rocks like Infinity, but that's for the better IMO. The ones with grenades are flinging them, the ones with guns are shooting them. It's be nice to have a Crusader who's not doing that "at rest" pose with his sword and shield like the two we already have, but since those two are probably not long for this world, it's not a huge issue.
What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
Okay, disclaimer first. I don't have any first hand experience and didn't even know this stuff was available outside America.
According to an article Space Marine Adventures is available in German. The new games are supposedly late summer releases and I haven't found anything else on them. But it's safe to assume that they will also be German language versions.
Generally, Germany is too large a market not to get a translation, and those tend to dominate with original language versions simply not making it to general retail. Specialist stores like Fantasywelt tend to have Englosh stock or can at least reliably order it, but toy stores don't do that kind of niche business. In my experience anyway.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
Okay, disclaimer first. I don't have any first hand experience and didn't even know this stuff was available outside America.
According to an article Space Marine Adventures is available in German. The new games are supposedly late summer releases and I haven't found anything else on them. But it's safe to assume that they will also be German language versions.
Generally, Germany is too large a market not to get a translation, and those tend to dominate with original language versions simply not making it to general retail. Specialist stores like Fantasywelt tend to have Englosh stock or can at least reliably order it, but toy stores don't do that kind of niche business. In my experience anyway.
Aww, that sucks. Well, not for Germans, obviously I was just hoping it would be a way to order the products without having to pay import fees from the US, which makes it not worth the bother.
AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
9/10 models from the box had NONE, on a AUTOGUN.
Just NO.
Which box are we talkiing about? The Dark Vengeance cultists? because every other autogun-toting model (with the possibl exception of Forge World's renegades, as I've not looked a them in a while) had a stock; every Necromunda model in the current and previous ranges, for example, that psyker from early 2nd edition, and probably the models from 1st edition. Apart from anything else, a stock is a good choice to fill a void between a model's arms and torso to make it easier to cast in metal.
I can sort of forgive the cultists not having stocks on their scraggy homemade guns. They're basically angry civilians who don't really know what they're doing.
AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
9/10 models from the box had NONE, on a AUTOGUN.
Just NO.
Which box are we talkiing about? The Dark Vengeance cultists? because every other autogun-toting model (with the possibl exception of Forge World's renegades, as I've not looked a them in a while) had a stock; every Necromunda model in the current and previous ranges, for example, that psyker from early 2nd edition, and probably the models from 1st edition. Apart from anything else, a stock is a good choice to fill a void between a model's arms and torso to make it easier to cast in metal.
I can sort of forgive the cultists not having stocks on their scraggy homemade guns. They're basically angry civilians who don't really know what they're doing.
Nope, look at the GSC cultists, there is one ONE autogun in the neophyte set with a Stock. FW renegade rifles were the agripinaa pattern. It annoys me beyond reason though Still : FINALY A BUNCH OF PLASTIG AUTOGUNS WITH STOCKS!
A dangerous quest sees the explorers attempting to manipulate a wild Ambull into serving their purpose – a bold gambit for sure, but will it succeed, or are they just playing with fire? Catch the first four stages of the expedition in June’s issue”
A dangerous quest sees the explorers attempting to manipulate a wild Ambull into serving their purpose – a bold gambit for sure, but will it succeed, or are they just playing with fire? Catch the first four stages of the expedition in June’s issue”
Plus, using the BSF tiles in Kill Team games.
This is gonna be my first white dwarf in several months. This is only the second time they published a mission in it right? I have the one with the prequel mission for the two priest characters.
It will be interesting to.see what kind of rules the kill team.crossover comes.up with. It would be easy to.just use them as a set of zone mortalis or tunnel.fighting. GW mudmst have some specific weirdness in mind. Having AI driven spindle.drones.rampaging through the middle.of.your desperate gunfight could be entertaining though.
Flinty wrote: It will be interesting to.see what kind of rules the kill team.crossover comes.up with. It would be easy to.just use them as a set of zone mortalis or tunnel.fighting. GW mudmst have some specific weirdness in mind. Having AI driven spindle.drones.rampaging through the middle.of.your desperate gunfight could be entertaining though.
I was thinking that Ambull, or a Chaos Spawn, but I won't split hairs... Muhahahahahaha!
Apparently people are running negavolt cultists in Kill Team with high success if you run 12 of them and three traitor guard in a competitive setting. They seem pretty beastly.
Bumping this to discuss the renegade command expansion. Wasn't excited about it when it was first announced but considering they're alluding to a Renegades army based on their WH community post, maybe it's worth picking up.
Plus, the ogryn is a pretty cool model. I hope it's a decently priced boxset.
Plus, the ogryn is a pretty cool model. I hope it's a decently priced boxset.
remember, you're paying for the Blackstone Fortress content; if you aren't interested in that game it's probably not "decently priced".
From that promo pic of the Commissar, it looks pretty easy to "rehabilitate" him if you wanted - just need to fill in or trim off some minor elements of chaos iconography and find him a hat.
Plus, the ogryn is a pretty cool model. I hope it's a decently priced boxset.
remember, you're paying for the Blackstone Fortress content; if you aren't interested in that game it's probably not "decently priced".
From that promo pic of the Commissar, it looks pretty easy to "rehabilitate" him if you wanted - just need to fill in or trim off some minor elements of chaos iconography and find him a hat.
Yeah but even with the BSF content (which I am interested in), it can be hard to justify for some cards and datasheets.
£25 would be acceptable but I'd say these expansions of comparable size will be in the £30-40 bracket. Maybe they'll use the pricing they have for the Ambots.
If anyone wants to split the box (you get the minis, I get the rules), PM me; depends on what the kit ends up costing, but it should probably work out.
Apparently more price increases from GW on many kits.
Do you have another link, I refuse to click through to Spikey gakkers
I don't but it looks to be 10-20% increase on models.
The page also says "exclusive" so not sure if that is a marketing gimmick or its an actual exclusive interview.
Just saw an independent retailer who accidentally already had increased base prices for Necrons Lychguard and Immortals. Guessing it’s real. Looks like a huge range of price increases, all in 10-20% range.
Apparently more price increases from GW on many kits.
Do you have another link, I refuse to click through to Spikey gakkers
I don't but it looks to be 10-20% increase on models.
The page also says "exclusive" so not sure if that is a marketing gimmick or its an actual exclusive interview.
Just saw an independent retailer who accidentally already had increased base prices for Necrons Lychguard and Immortals. Guessing it’s real. Looks like a huge range of price increases, all in 10-20% range.
I'm surprised, no one mentioned Blackstone Fortress: Advanced Arsenal, 24x resource cards and Blackstone Fortress: Endless Peril, 30x exploration cards that will be up for pre orders as well.
As others have mentioned. £35 for two models? Bit steep. £35 to expand an existing game you enjoy, and two models to help that along the way? Not so much.
Ugh, they could easily snuck in a single explorer dude for both expansion and they would still profit at that price.
New explorer miniature are way more important, and are better selling point than...some random monster that you'll encounter once in a while, or probably only once and done.
Silver Tower understand this and they gave people lots lots of heroes to play as, even thought they're not balanced, but it's co-op game, so who care?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Nah man. It's steep. The BSF expansions have been, so far, priced beyond what they should be.
Indeed. I flogged my game off. Partially because I wasn't enjoying the game as much a I thought after a few play throughs but also because I didn't want to get nickle and dimed by these expensive micro expansions.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Nah man. It's steep. The BSF expansions have been, so far, priced beyond what they should be.
Indeed. I flogged my game off. Partially because I wasn't enjoying the game as much a I thought after a few play throughs but also because I didn't want to get nickle and dimed by these expensive micro expansions.
twas at this point that we compare a TG to online games that we probably should reconsider our hobby choices
The Ambull one was decent quality all round so I'll be adding this one. As Multipart clamshells th Se characters would easily be in the £12-£20 range each. I believe that the expansion also includes 2 new card decks as well to use in the base game .
$60 for a decent ogre and a run of the mill human character with some spikes? I'm borderline insulted by GW's pricing. The ambull was at least unusual and large. These are super-bland. Even finding a discounter, $45 for those would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Mostly, though, I'm worried at how pricey the big expansion will be.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..
Either the expansions sell well, and they don't need to change anything, or they don't, and then it's hard for them to know the reason why. They might conclude that people aren't interested in that type of game.
I'm very surprised by the prices, because of what they did with Underworlds. That's a game that has a constant release of cheap mini expansions. A typical Underworlds warband has a lot more plastic that what we've seen in the two Blackstone expansions, for exactly half the price (at least in €). There's a little less rule in a warband, but its's still more than just the plastic. Overall I'd say there's more content (rules + minis) in an Underworlds warband.
So I was initially expecting the same thing for Blackstone Fortress: small expansions with either a small group of guys or one big guy + minions (in that sense the troll + squigs is similar to the Ambull, even if the Ambull is bigger), the rules to play them (similar to the warband's profiles/unique cards) and a couple extra missions/artifacts (similar to the universal cards in Underworlds).
The comparison between the commissar/ogryn kit with an Underworld warband is actually quite shocking. In Underworlds, you wouldn't have just two guys like that. There's a big one and a leader, so not much room for more, but they would still have added something like a couple wardogs, just to flesh out the group a bit more. And it would be half the price…
spiralingcadaver wrote: $60 for a decent ogre and a run of the mill human character with some spikes? I'm borderline insulted by GW's pricing. The ambull was at least unusual and large. These are super-bland. Even finding a discounter, $45 for those would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Mostly, though, I'm worried at how pricey the big expansion will be.
The sad thing is, its entirely in line with GW's pricing for heroes. Primaris characters are $35, so the Ogryn alone would be about that price, and other heroes are often $25, which covers the Commissar. Plus you get the board pieces and cards or whatever, so from GW's perspective, I suspect they think of this as bargain priced. (ignoring the cost of plastic, which they seem to do).
So this is just a continuation of their current pricing policy.
Now, I wouldn't buy it, but it shouldn't be a surprise.
I think that it's just a lame choice, not really a surprise. Like I said, the Ambull's unusualness justified it more, but I think that GW's too fixated on their "character" line being somehow more valuable. I think their squads are generally okay prices (a little expensive, but nicely cut), but that just makes their characters look terrible.
I've said it before, but the Ambull compares so unfavorably with the Necromunda Ambots (2 in the box at a substantially lower price) that even though I initially wanted to be "all-in" on BSF, I was never able to justify the Ambull. This new box continues the trend of being well-overpriced, so I guess I'd like to thank GW for making my collecting decision an easy one to make.
I'm very surprised by the prices, because of what they did with Underworlds. That's a game that has a constant release of cheap mini expansions. A typical Underworlds warband has a lot more plastic that what we've seen in the two Blackstone expansions, for exactly half the price (at least in €). There's a little less rule in a warband, but its's still more than just the plastic. Overall I'd say there's more content (rules + minis) in an Underworlds warband.
So I was initially expecting the same thing for Blackstone Fortress: small expansions with either a small group of guys or one big guy + minions (in that sense the troll + squigs is similar to the Ambull, even if the Ambull is bigger), the rules to play them (similar to the warband's profiles/unique cards) and a couple extra missions/artifacts (similar to the universal cards in Underworlds).
It's a difference in the audience they're selling to. Underworlds is priced as a competitive collectible game. It's priced cheaply as a way to peel off players from other games of that type, like Magic. People who like building a concentrated package to play with, whether deck or squad, and have multiple self-contained options to choose from for a fast game against other players.
Blackstone Fortress is aimed at the premium boardgame crowd. The kind who'd be playing Gloomhaven or Mage Knight otherwise. For them, all that extra cardboard is the point, because that's what keeps the game fresh. They have a board set up for a weekly running game and organizers for their millions of tokens. They're usually more settled and have the extra income to shell out.
Expecting either of them to be priced like 40k, which is for another crowd altogether, isn't really useful.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..
Don’t count on it. Anything new for AoSWQ will likely be priced as high as Bsf or higher, as GW assumes their audience will just eat the increases.This just guarantees I’m much more selective about any purchases I make.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..
Are we talking about the same company with a trackrecord of fething over their buyers?
Like restricted sprues (cough terminator chainaxes or Reaper chaincannons?)
No if anything the recent news of pricehikes will further the pricing upwards even more.
Formerly Wu wrote: Blackstone Fortress is aimed at the premium boardgame crowd. The kind who'd be playing Gloomhaven or Mage Knight otherwise. For them, all that extra cardboard is the point, because that's what keeps the game fresh. They have a board set up for a weekly running game and organizers for their millions of tokens. They're usually more settled and have the extra income to shell out.
Speaking as someone who's more in the board game crowd than the 40k crowd at this point in my life, no, it doesn't look appealing to me, nor to the board game forum I'm on. Board gamers generally are on the lookout for cheap plastic crap with lots of content (PVC is sometimes considered fancy). If they're trying to get board game fans, they're going about it the wrong way, as Kingdom Death, which pretty much defines the upper end of prices, with $60 will get you give or take as much plastic and a huge number of cards and rules. GW's games look anemic by comparison. (Not talking about promos, as those are almost universally overpriced regardless of company.)
Clockpunk wrote: Does anyone have any info on what the Advance Arsenal and Endless Peril things are?
Reliable info? Nope.
But at reasonable guess based on various other current games? Two decks of cards- one of gear for the heroes, one of enemy encounter cards or modifiers to encounters. .
Looks like it'll be eBay for the cards and the minis will come at a later date. Being more than the Ambull expansion is ridiculous and I think GW need to check themselves.
Dread Master wrote: Why are people saying it’s more than the ambull expansion? At 60 usd, it’s the same price.
US price is the same but GBP and Euro got bumped up. Ambull is £35 €45 $60 but Traitor Command is £37.50 €50 $60 on the price lists circulated to retailers. It’s actually the Ambull that’s out of alignment with current GW conversion rates as Traitor Command matches the current equivalents at $60 like Sequitors.
Dread Master wrote: Why are people saying it’s more than the ambull expansion? At 60 usd, it’s the same price.
US price is the same but GBP and Euro got bumped up. Ambull is £35 €45 $60 but Traitor Command is £37.50 €50 $60 on the price lists circulated to retailers. It’s actually the Ambull that’s out of alignment with current GW conversion rates as Traitor Command matches the current equivalents at $60 like Sequitors.
fresus wrote: I thought Combat Arena was US and Germany only. And sold in toys/board game shops.
Dont know about the 2nd part, but yes.
The miniatures will also be available as part of a blackstonefortress expansion alongside those new female ones.
fresus wrote: I thought Combat Arena was US and Germany only. And sold in toys/board game shops.
Dont know about the 2nd part, but yes.
It's mostly a guess based on the fact that the reveals at the NY Toy Fair are usually US/Germany exclusive and sold at Barnes & Nobles and the like (like Space Marine Advantures last year), and that most country-exclusive products aren't sold in GW stores (like battle of Vedros, although the SM heroes series in Japan is sold in GW stores, so there are exceptions).
In any case, as it's not a standard product, it doesn't really follow GW's usual release schedule.
Kingdom Death is not a good comparison. The Manhunter expansion, for example, is $60 and only has ONE model, probably about the size of the ogre. It does have a lot of cards, but pretty hard to argue that it is a good value compared to Blackstone Fortress expansions.
I like that there is a new ship but at the same time, why not sculpt a Dark Eldar model, it's not like they have to do much considering the existing line is already all plastic.
"Also included is a new spaceship, the Eye of Vect, captained by the Drukhari pirate Veth Rayden, who brought the news of the Grendish 82nd back to Precipice."
I wish the set included a model for this Drukhari corsair- I hope they get a model!
Ya, a ship for a named character that does not appear in the expansion seems...
And a Dark Eldar character would be a great place to have a model (and retinue) that could be either a player character OR an enemy. Double the cards, double the fun.
Also, Eldar Corsairs proper please GW. Would be a fun expansion to fight something other than Chaos and a back door start ti a proper plastic Corsair army.
Blackstone Fortress: Traitor Command is available for pre-order this weekend alongside the Advanced Arsenal deck, which provides your explorers with extra weaponry and equipment, and Endless Peril, which adds even more variety to your expeditions.
as meaning 3 separate products. Assumedly 2 card-based expansions as well as Traitor Command.
If so it's all getting a bit expensive for what (to me anyway) is a good, but far from exceptional, game. The Warhammer Underworlds card expansion is £12 - and the Silver Tower Character set wasn't particularly cheap, so I must admit I'm a bit dubious as to whether this will be good value for me.
Yeah, if these prices continue, the game is just not that good. Like, I enjoy it, but I'm sure taking a pass on that $60 set, and worry about the next. Like, what is GW thinking? The game is fun, and probably the best of the recent WHQs, but it's not awesome enough to justify those prices.
Blackstone Fortress: Traitor Command is available for pre-order this weekend alongside the Advanced Arsenal deck, which provides your explorers with extra weaponry and equipment, and Endless Peril, which adds even more variety to your expeditions.
as meaning 3 separate products. Assumedly 2 card-based expansions as well as Traitor Command.
If so it's all getting a bit expensive for what (to me anyway) is a good, but far from exceptional, game. The Warhammer Underworlds card expansion is £12 - and the Silver Tower Character set wasn't particularly cheap, so I must admit I'm a bit dubious as to whether this will be good value for me.
I mean why give out propper expansions when you can follow a mini dlc policy.?
Well, the question as to why is, are people buying them? In a world with limited time and money, I'll probably go with the better deal unless the worse deal is just too cool to pass up.
You can print all the $15 card sets you want; if no one takes the bait on that overpriced nonsense (do I think that I'll get $15 worth of entertainment out of some newly configured rooms? no, I don't), then they've lost money, not made it.
Well 60 bucks for this expansion is yet another pass for me (even though like the Ambul I really like the models). I think the expansions would be fairly reasonable at 40 if they included some new cards, a new tile or two, etc, but 60 is just too much. It makes me wonder if the big expansion will cost as much as the base game, haha.
Honestly the decks of cards aren't a terrible deal depending how much content they add to the game.
I really hope GW does something with the Drukari pirate. A team of the Pirate, a Wych, a Sslyth, and maybe a beastmaster with a pet would be an excellent team.
Already been said, but the price for this expansion really does leave a dirty taste in the mouth. Maybe if the card decks were bundled with the minis and not separate we might be talking business.
I cannot help but picture a member of the Dwarven Merchants Guild rubbing his hands gleefully as I look at the price.
The star of the show is definitely the Ogryn here. The commissar isn’t great but has conversion potential. I bought the expansion and both sets of cards. It’s expensive if you just want the minis, but I’m happy to pay for more game, especially at 20% off.
I like that the ogryn has two heads, but what goes on the oxygen tank for the faceless head? It's got a hole for the hose, but the only part that goes there appears to be the masked head's part.
GaroRobe wrote: I like that the ogryn has two heads, but what goes on the oxygen tank for the faceless head? It's got a hole for the hose, but the only part that goes there appears to be the masked head's part.
GW probably expect you to use their greenstuff to fill in the hole.
Without the hose attached it looks like … a hose attachment with no hose attached. Paint the hole black, and I don't see a problem. It doesn't look particularly visible from a lot of angles anyway.
it's chaos, they tend to have shoddy and malfunction equipment.
Adeptus Titanicus Titan have all kind of cable that connect to their weapon or legs, but they won't connect past a specific angle, and in the instruction they even show you that. Which would leave holes where the cable connect.
You can simply cut that hose from the masked head and connect it to the tube, now it's simply a malfunctioning piece of equipment, no greenstuff work.
After a hard day (or night – it’s hard to tell in the void of space) of questing aboard the Blackstone Fortress, your brave explorers can take on fresh challenges when they return to Precipice with these new rules”
And not sure if everyone noticed but for a very brief period on August 1 Barnes and Nobles web site was selling Combat Arena, whose miniatures will show up as the hero’s in the Ascension expansion later this year. Sold out the same day.
Really want the heroes for my Baronial Court, but chances are it'll be hella expensive and with Aeronautica Imperialis on the horizon, not gonna happen any time soon.
Yeah. Also, the build will be extremely limited (prior to the assumed LatD release), since it'll only be in the Servants of the Abyss detachment, which will now consist of a mostly vanilla foot lord, a cheaper commissar you'll probably take instead if you have, two cheap smite batteries, 3 small cultist units, and some junk no one at all serious about not throwing away points will ever take.
I don't see what's lost by only one of those cheap-o cultist units having a grenade launcher.
How much do you think this expansion will be? The last expansion had two models and was $60 USD. I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least $100 or more.
I'm hoping that they charge closer to squad prices than character prices, 'cause yeah, they're dumb. I just couldn't stomach the traitor command prices so ordered the rules from a bits place. I'm sure I can find something to represent those models.
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm hoping that they charge closer to squad prices than character prices, 'cause yeah, they're dumb. I just couldn't stomach the traitor command prices so ordered the rules from a bits place. I'm sure I can find something to represent those models.
That's 2 squad, 50US$ each, 100US$ and all those cardboards and cards are free, what a steal!
The secret to guessing GW's pricing scheme is figure out how much you would want pay for it. Now forget that. Figure out how much you begrudgingly would pay for it. Forget that too. Now figure out how much you would initially consider outrageous and too expensive, but when the time comes, you'd probably end up paying it anyway, because you have a problem... That's the price it will be.
Experience has taught me that GW always seems to know the exact price to set something where you balk, rant, and fume, but still pay - but the previous BSF expansions were one of the few times where I didn't pay. That's why I think this expansion will be at least $100. That's the point where my eye rolling turns into a rude hand gesture, waving out of the car's sun roof as I drive away laughing.
I cannot believe it myself, but GW has successfully priced
me out with the Traitor Command expansion.
And I have been buying every traitor kits from FW for years
when they still produced them.
The value and price just don't add up for me on this one.
Pricing for BSF is strange if you compare it to stuff like AoS Underworld warbands (they are actually decently priced so you can pick up a box just for fun).
Its not strange when you compare the products though. Underworlds is done to bring in lots of new and perhaps younger players to the hobby.
BSF is more classy and aimed at the jaded veterans, and also aim at a serious boardgame market where the prices are usually pretty high.
Personally i refused to pay for the ambull, but grudgingly got the traitor command.
This will cost too much for me again I think. Traitor Command was the first time I saw something I wanted from GW but couldn’t justify to myself, despite being able to convince myself that buying almost anything is a good idea.
Yeah, but I already have loads of models that I can proxy in easily enough. Especially for the chaff type bad guys that get removed by the handful as soon as a.certain assault cannon starts singing
How much do you think this expansion will be? The last expansion had two models and was $60 USD. I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least $100 or more.
$60 is what I feel a reasonable company might ask for this set... The box looks like its the same size as the Start Collecting and Kill Team team boxes... so ~$100 would be consistent... but it's GW, so I'm going to guess $120.... because when they think they'll sell less, they raise prices instead of lowering them to the point that the sell enough.
In my gut I feel like this is a $90 GW priced box....so probably $100-110.00.
It'll still be rather exorbitant but not the obnoxious kick in the dick that the Traitor/Ambull nonsense was (so you'll feel slightly less bad about paying too much for minis)
I'm so frustrated about the Rogue Trader thing. I was so hyped when they first announced that there would be Rogue Trader miniatures, but the bloody rules are just so bad and restrictive. They don't even properly work in Killteam, let alone in 40K.
Between the Killteam RT set and various Blackstone weirdos there exists models for a really cool and eclectic collection of Rogue Trader related stuff, but the rule guys are just completely dropping the ball.
Crimson wrote: I'm so frustrated about the Rogue Trader thing. I was so hyped when they first announced that there would be Rogue Trader miniatures, but the bloody rules are just so bad and restrictive. They don't even properly work in Killteam, let alone in 40K.
Between the Killteam RT set and various Blackstone weirdos there exists models for a really cool and eclectic collection of Rogue Trader related stuff, but the rule guys are just completely dropping the ball.
I wish they'd rehire the guy who put together the rules for Titanicus and Blitz Bowl. He really seemed to have a grasp on balance, complexity, and fun.
Crimson wrote: I'm so frustrated about the Rogue Trader thing. I was so hyped when they first announced that there would be Rogue Trader miniatures, but the bloody rules are just so bad and restrictive. They don't even properly work in Killteam, let alone in 40K.
Between the Killteam RT set and various Blackstone weirdos there exists models for a really cool and eclectic collection of Rogue Trader related stuff, but the rule guys are just completely dropping the ball.
I wish they'd rehire the guy who put together the rules for Titanicus and Blitz Bowl. He really seemed to have a grasp on balance, complexity, and fun.
James has set up his own company. I believe he also posts in here from time to time. I was chatting with his partner a few months ago about games design events they will be hosting
I wish they'd rehire the guy who put together the rules for Titanicus and Blitz Bowl. He really seemed to have a grasp on balance, complexity, and fun.
Uggh no thanks, he flipped the lore around and completely ignore any estalished rule for weapons in lore and other publication just for his "balance". For example Knight -class avenger gatling cannon had range of an artillery guns while shooting faster than titan-class vulcan bolter, meanwhile it is too weak to pierce void shield despite having similar caliber to Vulcan-mega bolter in other publication. Low-tier plasma blast gun had blast while high-tier Plasma annihilator didn't.
These Cultists are also good for the God of Pleasure.
I was just hoping it would be a way to order the products without having to pay import fees from the US, which makes it not worth the bother.
Don’t count on it. Anything new for 
