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Post by: Cyporiean
The Question would be nice.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Alpharius wrote:Who else is in Batman's 'gang'? The Police? Other street/urban heroes?
I assume that, like Batman: NML, the GCPD will be another "gang". The Bat's "gang" will probably be various members of the Bat-Family: Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, maybe/hopefully even Spoiler and Azrael. I'd say Huntress, but then I'm hoping for a Birds of Prey "gang" down the line.
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Post by: Alpharius
Oh man, I'd love to have them put out an Azrael miniature!
Did he even make an appearance/get a mention in Arkham City?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alpharius wrote:I think the Police will be in there for certain, and eventually we'll see Nightwing and Robin. And maybe Batgirl too? Any other street level heroes we can plan/hope for?
Azrael maybe (as he does show up a few times during Arkham City), and Catwoman. Remember that it's based on Arkham City, and there was no Batgirl in that (Oracle was there, but I don't think an ex-Batgirl in a wheelchair will be all that useful in combat).
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Post by: Alpharius
While 'based on' Arkham City, I bet they'll expand it a bit, if possible, as it would be necessary for a healthy game with a bright future!
However, having said that, I'm psyched that Azrael's actually in Arkham City!
I haven't payed the game yet - soon! - but since he's in, hopefully that means he'll be getting a miniature and rules!
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Post by: Noir
They never said it was limited to Arkham City, it just the theme the are going for. There facebook page even makes it sound like they not going to just limit to it either.
With... "The game includes the most important characters created by Bob Kane, like Batman himself, Robin, Nightwing, etc. aided by the Ghotam City
Police trying to stop the gangs led by the most infamous criminals and psychopaths of the DC Comics universe, like The Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, the immortal Rash al Goul and many others. " and "Batman universe has a very rich and detailed background, with over 65 years of comic-books, tv shows, movies, etc." No where dose it say only Arkham City will be used.
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Post by: Alpharius
Right, we know that.
There was some discussion a while back about the specifics of licensing agreements, and how 'specific' this one might, or might not, be.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And then there's the fact that virtually every picture has 'Arkham City' on it, and that the visual design of every single mini so far is based upon their Arkham City appearance. Plus those quotes above list no character that isn't in Arkham City.
Therefore, slashing at this with Occam's Razor, we find that it's most likely an Arkham City game, with Arkham City characters, based on Arkham City.
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Post by: Alpharius
With Azrael, I hope!
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Post by: Noir
 H.B.M.C. wrote:And then there's the fact that virtually every picture has 'Arkham City' on it, and that the visual design of every single mini so far is based upon their Arkham City appearance. Plus those quotes above list no character that isn't in Arkham City.
Therefore, slashing at this with Occam's Razor, we find that it's most likely an Arkham City game, with Arkham City characters, based on Arkham City.
Or the style of Arkham makes better models in there eyes, so they called it Arkham City s everyone knows what there going for. It's never been said one way or the other, one limits what the could put in and there profit, the other lets them keep going for a long, long time. From a business point of view, not limiting it mean they can go pretty much forever.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Did you miss the Occam's Razor part?
The simplest solution is often the best, and if it walks like Arkham City, talks like Arkham City and smells like Arkham City then it's probably related to Arkham City.
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:Did you miss the Occam's Razor part? The simplest solution is often the best, and if it walks like Arkham City, talks like Arkham City and smells like Arkham City then it's probably related to Arkham City.
Perhaps, but the description of the game from their facebook actually reads more like a description of a game set during No Man's Land than Arkham City. The two do share similar concepts, but, as stated, sticking purely to Arkham City rather than using it as a draw for a larger player base would be very limiting to the future of the game.
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Post by: Compel
Isn't that cause Arkham City is heavily inspired by No Mans Land?
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Compel wrote:Isn't that cause Arkham City is heavily inspired by No Mans Land?
So was the latest movie, that's not really saying too much.
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Post by: jmurph
As to Batman's gang, given the abilities he is generally depicted as having, I would assume it would just be Bats v. the entire enemy gang (named baddie plus redshirts) if they are looking for an even match. Somebody like Azrael or Robin would need either each other or some GPD backup to call it even.
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Post by: plastictrees
But...where are all the tiny pouches? The spherical shoulders? The ribbon cape?
The terrible art of my youth is being trampled before me.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I guess most people who like comics and played Arkham City, just can't wait to see more characters in that brilliant Rocksteady design. 
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Post by: kojku
Not discuss more , in december :(was a surprise for december)
THE DARK KNIGHT
http://mistycball.blogspot.com.es/2012/12/the-dark-knight.html
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Interesting.
That's not an AC model.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Really nice models! Interesting to see that the Dark Knight will have different rules to the AC Batman, very good idea.
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Post by: FacelessMage
I guess we will keep waiting for the rules to actually find out. Won't we.
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Post by: Hindenburg
Let's see if they release rules quicker if we all make frustrated "stuck in the grocery store line" sounds.
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Post by: FacelessMage
*a lip smack with a somewhat loud passive agressive deep sigh with an eye roll and a look at a watch*
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
*grunts annoyingly while widly craning neck and reaching arms up, pretending to strech*
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Post by: Alpharius
Loud sigh, paging through tabloids, tells kids "No candy!"
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Commander Cain wrote:Really nice models! Interesting to see that the Dark Knight will have different rules to the AC Batman, very good idea.
He has is own rules? Like what? Not showing up in his own movie for an hour? 
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Post by: Grot 6
I for one would like to see The Hitman, and maybe the Jason Blood/Etrigan. 
Aside from that, the guys are really looking good there. Hope to have mine ordered sometime next week.
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Post by: Alpharius
Just spent some time looking around the internet, trying to find any new information or updates on this game...
...nothing!
Maybe 2013 will give us a bit more insight into this system!
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Post by: GiraffeX
I was hoping we would have some kind of rules even if it was just a beta version before Christmas, just means my money goes elsewhere for now.
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Post by: Knightflashman
HELLO
LORD OF THE RINGS 70MM
[B]BATMAN MINIATURE GAME 35 MM[/B]
[b]BATMAN MINIATURE GAME 35 mm[/b]
As a Christmas gift, we allowed a free download of the rules in this link
Basic Rules http://www.mediafire.com/view/?guzk65gh6yrrbd3
Special traits rules http://www.mediafire.com/view/?2nlb44mlex1q6lc
These rules are in Spanish and in the coming weeks will already be available in English free downloadable through our website
THANKS
KNIGHT MODELS TEAM
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Post by: Alpharius
Some very nice new Batman models in there!
Especially liking the Penguin's Gang, Catwoman and Nightwing.
OK, and Bane too.
Still hoping for an awesome Azrael too!
Also - off to download the rules, thanks!
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Post by: ironicsilence
 Alpharius wrote:Some very nice new Batman models in there!
Especially liking the Penguin's Gang, Catwoman and Nightwing.
OK, and Bane too.
Still hoping for an awesome Azrael too!
Also - off to download the rules, thanks!
I look forward to hearing your feedback on the rules
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Whoa, had this been confirmed before, that Knight Models had the license for both movie and video game properties?
That's pretty awesome... I am a much bigger fan of movie Bane (and comic Bane) then video game Bane, so this makes me very happy. Also, potentially Hathaway "Catwoman" and JGL as... you know. Exciting!
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Post by: FacelessMage
I can't wait to see them in english. In an easier to download format.
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Post by: Alpharius
I was going to try and translate them but... too much work, Spanish too rusty, no good programs available, etc, etc,.
So - let the waiting... continue!
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Post by: Motograter
Cant wait to get the rules in English either. Would also be nice if Knight Models actually supplied traders with the models
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I love the Penguin gang! Totally gonna paint him in Silver Age purple though. And I love me some Nightwing.
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Post by: Empchild
Being I'm putting in my next order for all of these next week I am glad they showed them... me think I will have to order a lot.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Empchild wrote:Being I'm putting in my next order for all of these next week I am glad they showed them... me think I will have to order a lot.
Hopefully the first set will ship soon!
Also, let me know when you're ready to accept orders for this group as I'll be sure to place my next order with you too!
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Post by: WaaaaghLord
I really dislike Batman (controversial I know) but these minis are awesome. I hope they can branch out into other comics, or even outside of DC itself, I'd love 28mm scale xMen or Avengers...
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Post by: Empchild
Alpharius wrote: Empchild wrote:Being I'm putting in my next order for all of these next week I am glad they showed them... me think I will have to order a lot.
Will do and i will probably order in 5-10 of each  .
Hopefully the first set will ship soon!
Also, let me know when you're ready to accept orders for this group as I'll be sure to place my next order with you too!
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Post by: Noir
 Anung Un Rama wrote:Commander Cain wrote:Really nice models! Interesting to see that the Dark Knight will have different rules to the AC Batman, very good idea.
He has is own rules? Like what? Not showing up in his own movie for an hour?
Since it seem the models will come with stat cards there is a good chance.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Hopefully some of our Spanish speaking friends can tell us how the rules are?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 WaaaaghLord wrote:I really dislike Batman (controversial I know) but these minis are awesome. I hope they can branch out into other comics, or even outside of DC itself, I'd love 28mm scale xMen or Avengers...
A Marvel set would be cool.
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Post by: Alpharius
Anyone know if the recently released Heroclix Batman vehicles will scale well with these figures?
Or, if 1:50 scale vehicles will?
Thanks!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
True 28mm scale (6 ft human = 28mm to top of the head) is suposed to be 1/56 in scale terms
so if my rough maths work is ok
1/48 = 32.6mm
1/50 = 31.4mm
Knight models say these are 35mm so you'd might be able to get away with 1/48 (although if the minis are too heroic in build things might be a bit off)
As far a heroclix goes I don't know what size they are equivalent to (but I found lots of folk asking). Maybe see if anybody at the FLGS plays and will show you one?
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Actually as an add on I've seen a fair amount of really cheap chinese knock off toys in what's meant to be 1;43 which might be just right for 'normal' cars,
check out your dollar stores (& tint the windows, the interiors will be junk)
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Post by: Platuan4th
Not sure how much this helps without a comparison between a Clix figure and the Knight Models figures, but:  And just so you know, it's packed like this: BQwk8JygwQ~~60_57.JPG) 100% base free.
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Post by: mike_houghton98
Noir wrote: Anung Un Rama wrote:Commander Cain wrote:Really nice models! Interesting to see that the Dark Knight will have different rules to the AC Batman, very good idea.
He has is own rules? Like what? Not showing up in his own movie for an hour?
Since it seem the models will come with stat cards there is a good chance.
So can we order these models through you?
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Post by: Cyporiean
You can order them from http://www.battleroadhobbies.com/ in the US.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Platuan4th wrote:Not sure how much this helps without a comparison between a Clix figure and the Knight Models figures, but:
And just so you know, it's packed like this:
100% base free.
I think it will scale OK with them - thanks!
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Post by: Empchild
Woot plug from CY you go girl!!!! Although I am STILL waiting cough cough knights models cough to get the first set in.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I need that Batmobile NAOH!
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Wait, can I buy just the car or do I have to buy boosters?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Well, look at it like this. You could get lucky and pull one your first box, in which case you pay less, or you could end up pulling it after 6 boxes, which will be much more than just buying one off eBay or other website that sells singles.
If you're not a Clix player or plan to become one, the outright purchase is probably worth it in the long run.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Platuan4th wrote:
Well, look at it like this. You could get lucky and pull one your first box, in which case you pay less, or you could end up pulling it after 6 boxes, which will be much more than just buying one off eBay or other website that sells singles.
If you're not a Clix player or plan to become one, the outright purchase is probably worth it in the long run.
HeroClix is, you must understand, a collectable miniature game. Just think of the various boxes like booster packs of M:tG cards (as indeed the boxes are called booster packs). If you are looking for specific things, Trolland toad.com are a quite good source for singles. Miniature market also carries singles.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Buzzsaw wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Well, look at it like this. You could get lucky and pull one your first box, in which case you pay less, or you could end up pulling it after 6 boxes, which will be much more than just buying one off eBay or other website that sells singles. If you're not a Clix player or plan to become one, the outright purchase is probably worth it in the long run.
HeroClix is, you must understand, a collectable miniature game. Just think of the various boxes like booster packs of M:tG cards (as indeed the boxes are called booster packs).
That was kind of my point, friend. I myself have been playing HC since the very first starter set was released. Personally, I've stopped buying boosters. I've enough Clix to fill 3+ large tackleboxes(and they DO). I really only want certain pieces(especially since they keep redoing the big names) from the newer sets, so I buy singles.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Platuan4th wrote:...
That was kind of my point, friend. I myself have been playing HC since the very first starter set was released.
Personally, I've stopped buying boosters. I've enough Clix to fill 3+ large tackleboxes(and they DO). I really only want certain pieces(especially since they keep redoing the big names) from the newer sets, so I buy singles.
Sorry, I meant that "you" in the general sense of people that didn't know about the singles market. Heh, I stopped buying (for the most part) since... Dark Knight Rises(?) came out. My storage medium of choice is Dollar store plastic bins... too many dollar store plastic bins, sigh...
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Post by: Tyr's hand
I'll have to see a rule book before I'm sold, but it's at least an exciting concept.
$20 says that the Joker and Harley Quinn are the two most used HQs.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I understand the concept of a CMG, I was just wondering how they are sold, since there have been a few times when certain vehicles and the like were sold in open boxes and since the box had the Batmobile on it, I assumed it would be a similar situation here.
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Post by: -Loki-
H.B.M.C. wrote: WaaaaghLord wrote:I really dislike Batman (controversial I know) but these minis are awesome. I hope they can branch out into other comics, or even outside of DC itself, I'd love 28mm scale xMen or Avengers...
A Marvel set would be cool.
I'd be all over a Marvel game. Imagining a Sentinel fig right now.
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Post by: Azazelx
This is from the new(ish?) X-Men Marvel Heroclix...
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Post by: adhuin
That's no sentinel mini. That's Wolverine-mini with a scenic base.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Wow. That looks way worse than the original Heroclix Sentinel.
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Post by: Dysartes
That was one of the Sentinels from the Giant Size X-Men set - the large models from that set did see a re-release in clear packs down the line, with different dials.
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Post by: ClaretStevo
Any news from the Supply Drop?
they are never online and i cant seem to find a phone number.
Had an order with them from the 15td of Dec not yet sent and cant seem to contact them in any way. Thei "contact us" always give me an error when trying to send a message
Im going to try facebook but after that the paypal claim is going in
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Post by: Alpharius
The Supply Drop should absolutely have better customer service, and definitely fix their e-mail issue, but please note that I don't think anyone in the USA has received their Batman figures yet either, maybe?
I think Knight Models severely underestimated the popularity of this line, along with their ability to supply the models...
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Post by: FacelessMage
Nope. My models ordered have yet to arrive.
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Post by: Alpharius
Isn't that what I said?
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Post by: Motograter
ClaretStevo wrote:Any news from the Supply Drop?
they are never online and i cant seem to find a phone number.
Had an order with them from the 15td of Dec not yet sent and cant seem to contact them in any way. Thei "contact us" always give me an error when trying to send a message
Im going to try facebook but after that the paypal claim is going in
I ordered first wave stuff on the 8th and he did say in fairness to him that he had been in hospital etc. Also Knight Models just havent sent out the stock. I asked for a refund and got one due to the wait and what I have heard from some people who have the models not being very good sculpts etc.
I would ask again and just keep at it
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Post by: FacelessMage
It is I was just agreeing with you.
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Post by: Alpharius
No worries - I did come across a bit harsh too, my apologies!
I can't believe that they still haven't shipped these over to USA customers yet.
Also:
Motograter wrote:
...and what I have heard from some people who have the models not being very good sculpts etc.
I haven't heard that! Any more details on what the problems here are?
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Post by: rosafari
There's a great batmobile in WHSmiths ( uk) at the moment for £2.99 - the start one of those collecitble figurine series - more details at Lead Adventure:
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49228.0
I picked one up today, the cockpit is slightly small (looks far more like a one seater) but otherwise is a nice model for the price. (Batman is very slender! but with a repaint may look ok with Zombicide figs or similar).
Of course if you want a different batmobile you can buy a later issue!
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I asked at my local store if he can order them directly. Haven't heard anything about that since.
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Post by: Alpharius
Sweet!
Now if there was only a USA subscription... 
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Post by: Empchild
I sent an um very pleasant and nice email asking for an update . Personally this is no way to.run a business.
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Post by: Alpharius
I hope the rules are really good, because the lack of updates from Knight Models on the status of miniatures shipments is really starting to turn me off of this game.
I really want to give them more of my money, but no rules in English + no models = WTF?!?
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Post by: thesupplydrop
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the delay in providing people with updates on here. I have been in hospital as stated previously due to unforeseen health issue arising and with the Xmas close down as well which has slowed us down!! I have updated our Facebook page with information regarding our large stock order with Knight Models.
Knight Models have been overwhelmed with the success of this range and have run out of their first stock run... This obviously puts a bit of strain onto the retailer as we then have customers chasing where their order is...
We have contacted Knight Models and they have informed us that their next stock run is inbound from their warehouse. With this in mind we should receive this in early next week and finally allow us to satisfy all our customer orders. This so far has NOT been good business and we feel that this delay can cause a negative effect on customers using many retailers again!!
Hopefully Knight Models can start to work more closely with retailers in the future!!
I do apologise very largely and hope that the wait wont be for too long now!
TSD
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Post by: Alpharius
Anyone 'in the know' know when English rules will be available?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
This is all we know (taken from Knight Models Facebook page (26 dec 2012)
As a Christmas gift, we allowed a free download of the rules in this link
Basic Rules http: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?guzk65gh6yrrbd3
Special traits rules http://www.mediafire.com/view/?2nlb44mlex1q6lc
These rules are in Spanish and in the coming weeks will already be available in English free downloadable through our website
THANKS
KNIGHT MODELS TEAM
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Post by: skrulnik
It's getting to the point where I am considering cancelling my pre-order just to protect myself in case Knight Models never comes thru.
I ordered on Black Friday, iirc. So times getting short.
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Post by: Alpharius
Has anyone in the World outside of Spain received any of these miniatures yet?
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Post by: Empchild
The tracking number i have from them shows it went international on the 21st.
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Post by: ironicsilence
I can forgive the supply issues...smaller company not expecting the demand...but size of company isnt a very good reason for keeping its customers and resellers in the dark..
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's BATMAN.
Anyone not expecting a huge demand is silly and should be considered as such.
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Post by: Empchild
 ironicsilence wrote:I can forgive the supply issues...smaller company not expecting the demand...but size of company isnt a very good reason for keeping its customers and resellers in the dark..
Man i wish all of my customers were like you. Some people have demanded refunds from me and are pricks about it.
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Post by: -Loki-
 Kanluwen wrote:
It's BATMAN.
Anyone not expecting a huge demand is silly and should be considered as such.
I dunno. They were previously selling STAR WARS so they're not unaccustomed to using popular IP. It's likely they didn't realise how much more popular the models would be with actual rules behind them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 -Loki- wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
It's BATMAN.
Anyone not expecting a huge demand is silly and should be considered as such.
I dunno. They were previously selling STAR WARS so they're not unaccustomed to using popular IP. It's likely they didn't realise how much more popular the models would be with actual rules behind them.
Star Wars has alternative options for models, ranging from Clix to garage kits.
Batman does not really have the same, at least when we are referring to the whole Batmanverse that is.
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'm fairly sure Batman has Clix and garage kits.
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Post by: Empchild
The thing is people need to be patient overall. Does this suck yes horribly but honestly it is far better then some of you think. Try dealing with Privateer as they can take months to fill orders. It may suck but in the end patience will win over more.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I guess it's a combination of the (arguably) best Batman version in years, a company doing really sweet models and a tabletop game to boot. If it just would've been Arkham miniatures I might've gotten a Bane, but I'm really interested in a system based around gang fights in Goham, instead of the huge super battles in Heroclix.
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Post by: Empchild
I am insanely happy to announce that Batman has landed in the States!!!!!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Good news for you and your (over)eager pre-order customers
I hope Knight Models can ship things a bit faster as the releases continue
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Post by: Alpharius
Empchild wrote:I am insanely happy to announce that Batman has landed in the States!!!!!
This is good news!
Any update on when we can order the next group from you?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Good news for you and your (over)eager pre-order customers
...?
I suppose a 45 day (give or take) wait (without an official updates from the company) is entirely reasonable.
Unless these were a pre-order, and we all missed that?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I hope Knight Models can ship things a bit faster as the releases continue
On this, at least, we can agree!
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Post by: Empchild
Alph i will be looking into that next week and most likely ordering at the end of the month.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Any news on the translated rules?
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I'm really interested in the "size" of the games. If I can play the Joker gang vs. the Penguin gang, where do the cops fit it?
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Post by: Empchild
 Anung Un Rama wrote:Any news on the translated rules?
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I'm really interested in the "size" of the games. If I can play the Joker gang vs. the Penguin gang, where do the cops fit it?
Why would you need cops, I mean gangs fight each other all the time .
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Post by: chaos0xomega
The cops fit into the hero gang vs joker gang or hero gang vs penguin gang games.... that question is like asking if "If i can play chaos marines vs eldar, where do Imperial Guard fit in?"
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Post by: Alpharius
Which, of course, you can do in 40K 6th, on either side!
We all just want the English rules... and the next wave of miniatures... and...
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Post by: FacelessMage
... and a pony.
We want a pony.
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Post by: Empchild
 Alpharius wrote:Which, of course, you can do in 40K 6th, on either side!
We all just want the English rules... and the next wave of miniatures... and...
A membership at Battleroadhobbies.com see what I did there .The rules in Ingrish would nice though I agree.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I just love the idea of a Gotham-based gang fight system so much. I hope Rhas' gets one as well.
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Post by: Empchild
My wife even loved the models and she asked me to paint her some...in the 15+ years of knowing me she has never asked that. The models are great quality though the packaging is a little bulky but eh.
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Post by: thesupplydrop
We too are pleased to announce that our stock arrived yesterday - and in turn received our full priority attention - and was dispatched yesterday! We have given our part of the service with quick turnaround!! Just a shame that Knight Models were on the slightly slow side due to unforeseen demand!
Anyways folks, the next line is up and available as a pre-order on our web site now. So head over and grab some great discounts now, and fingers crossed a faster service, hint hint Knight Models 
Give us English rules as an apology while your at it too
TSD
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Post by: Alpharius
 thesupplydrop wrote:We too are pleased to announce that our stock arrived yesterday - and in turn received our full priority attention - and was dispatched yesterday! We have given our part of the service with quick turnaround!! Just a shame that Knight Models were on the slightly slow side due to unforeseen demand!
Anyways folks, the next line is up and available as a pre-order on our web site now. So head over and grab some great discounts now, and fingers crossed a faster service, hint hint Knight Models
Give us English rules as an apology while your at it too
TSD
Good to hear, and nice to see our European friends now have the option to pre-order the next group.
Have they given you any indication that the turnaround time will be quicker than the last set?
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Post by: Empchild
Glad to hear things are working for you guys in Europe. My issue Alph with doing pre-orders atm like I did before is that I don't want to run into the issue I did last time and people demanding their money back. For a small business refunds can kill all of the profit you made(if any sometimes) but compared to Privateer Press Knights models is fast and that's sad. Try waiting upwards of 3 months for a restock 
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Empchild, does that mean no more preorders through you? I was planning on using battleroad as my exclusive knights minis dealer!
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Post by: thesupplydrop
Unfortunately what Emp is saying is true! The amount of demands we have had for refunds have all but left us with a pile of unsold stock, which in turn has sucked our profits right down the pan! But this is good in the long run as we now have it in stock on demand!
We are offering them still as pre-order and hoping that KM are faster with the next batch! After all our first order from them came within days...
The thing that did make it better for us was when customers were demanding refunds, we were just informing them that even the BIG companies (don't need to mention the names) are in this position at present and cant supply due to no product!!
TSD
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Post by: Alpharius
Not being a store owner, I totally missed how this was screwing with you guys.
1) Put items up for pre-order. Excitement builds. People order a whole bunch.
2) Order a whole bunch to fill all the pre-orders.
3) Company take a long time to deliver.
4) People want refunds.
5) Refunds given.
6) Stock finally arrives, only now there is excess due to refunds.
Ouch!
OK, much wiser to wait until miniatures are available to take any additional orders!
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Post by: ironicsilence
Seems like its kind of a non win deal for the small store owner, offer them for presale and a bunch of people cancel and you've got a ton of stock, offer them for presale as noncancellable and people would likely still freak out and turn into a customer service issue. Maybe you could do some sort of dakka only presale and only after making it painfully clear to the person ordering them that it might take a while to get the figs
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Post by: Alpharius
ironicsilence wrote:Seems like its kind of a non win deal for the small store owner, offer them for presale and a bunch of people cancel and you've got a ton of stock, offer them for presale as noncancellable and people would likely still freak out and turn into a customer service issue. Maybe you could do some sort of dakka only presale and only after making it painfully clear to the person ordering them that it might take a while to get the figs
I'd be OK with that option, especially with Empchild and Battleroad for us USA customers.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
My biggest incentive not to cancel was the 25% discount, cant beat that afaik.
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Post by: Alpharius
chaos0xomega wrote:My biggest incentive not to cancel was the 25% discount, cant beat that afaik.
Good point - and it certainly helped me stay in!
That, and I know empchild was good for it, no matter what!
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Indeed, same reason why I haven't dropped my order for the PanO military orders box that I have absolutely zero expectation of receiving anytime soon
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well there ya go. Scarecrow.
Still no rules.
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Post by: Empchild
I believe in service hence i have never screwed people over but with company's like this one or two refunds can kill all of your profit .
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Offer no refund presales with a 25% discount? Call it the dark knight fan club or something, offer it as a more limited form of your yearly subscription thing, say one time fee of 25 dollars gets you a year of purchasing pre-ordered knight minis at 25% off, id pay for that... (and itd def pay for itself).
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Post by: Alpharius
Got my Wave 1 Batman Arkham City miniatures in today!
Thanks Emp!
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Post by: Empchild
chaos0xomega wrote:Offer no refund presales with a 25% discount? Call it the dark knight fan club or something, offer it as a more limited form of your yearly subscription thing, say one time fee of 25 dollars gets you a year of purchasing pre-ordered knight minis at 25% off, id pay for that... (and itd def pay for itself).
I offer no cash refunds to.begin with but paypal disagrees. Glad yours finally arrived alph. The post office said it would be.days.ago so go figure.
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Post by: skrulnik
Got mine on Monday, and forgot to post.
Croc is a big boy, isn't he?
Anyone got more info on the game cards that are in the blisters?
I thought it was interesting how the ones in the Joker crew box look different from the single model blister ones.
Thanks Empchild!
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I got mine tuesday, didnt look at the cards but yea, croc is biiiig, im wondering if bane will be as big/bigger.
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Post by: Alpharius
Interesting to note that Croc's collar appears to be a separate and totally optional piece!
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Post by: Empchild
I still have yet to bust open a pack to be honest even though I am dieing too. Reason being I am finishing commissions and so much other stuff that I know if I do I will want to just sit and paint that. DAMN YOU PRIORITIES!!!!
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Post by: 75hastings69
Bane is nowhere near as big as Killer Croc
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Alpharius wrote:Interesting to note that Croc's collar appears to be a separate and totally optional piece!
By the time of Arkham City, Croc had managed to get the electro-collar off his neck. So it makes sense if you want to represent Croc as he is in AC rather than AA.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
chaos0xomega wrote:I got mine tuesday, didnt look at the cards but yea, croc is biiiig, im wondering if bane will be as big/bigger.
You wouldn't happen to have some Hordes Gatormen lying around for a size comparision, would you? I gave something in mind. 
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Post by: skrulnik
Anung Un Rama wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:I got mine tuesday, didnt look at the cards but yea, croc is biiiig, im wondering if bane will be as big/bigger.
You wouldn't happen to have some Hordes Gatormen lying around for a size comparision, would you? I gave something in mind.
Croc is heavy Warbeast big, but with a much more human shape than the Gators.
They supply him with a 40mm base, but if the rules don't require it, I'm thinking a 50mm will work better.
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Post by: Alpharius
I still can't believe we don't have rules in English yet!
Having recently finished ARKHAM CITY, I really hope we get:
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Post by: timetowaste85
Alpharius wrote:I still can't believe we don't have rules in English yet!
Having recently finished ARKHAM CITY, I really hope we get:
Please add the Red Hood. Thanks. Regardless of whether he had a role in AC (honestly idk), he deserves the limelight.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Alpharius wrote:I still can't believe we don't have rules in English yet!
Having recently finished ARKHAM CITY, I really hope we get:
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Post by: Alpharius
And how could I forget:
And:
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I'm pretty sure Mr. Freeze is on the way. He was among the original artwork for the game.
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Post by: Scottywan82
You blaspheme, sir. New 52 is awesome. At least the stuff I'm reading is.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
'Cept she's in neither of the two Arkham games, whereas all the others mentioned so far are.
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Post by: Empchild
So I think part of the reason is they have been expanding their staff as I finaly got a reply the other day for a updated order sheet from them. I would think it will be a little while so they can get themselves better situated.
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Post by: Noir
H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Cept she's in neither of the two Arkham games, whereas all the others mentioned so far are.
Plaese don't start that again, the Dark Knight Batman should of ended the only Arkham thinking already.
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Post by: Empchild
Ok Confirmed for Febuary and such: BANE THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, MR.FREEZE, TALIA AL GHUL, SCARECROW, JOKER´S CLOWNS, PENGUIN´S THUGS
This comes from a reliable source...my sales sheet .
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Post by: Alpharius
 Empchild wrote:Ok Confirmed for Febuary and such: BANE THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, MR.FREEZE, TALIA AL GHUL, SCARECROW, JOKER´S CLOWNS, PENGUIN´S THUGS
This comes from a reliable source...my sales sheet .
No Catwoman or Nightwing?!?
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Prices? And werent they released already?
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Post by: Empchild
Those are a January release alph prices are around the same as the.current ones
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Post by: Alpharius
What?!?
They are releasing models a bit quicker now!
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Post by: Empchild
I'm ordering all at once so mid to end of February most likely.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Noir wrote:Plaese don't start that again, the Dark Knight Batman should of ended the only Arkham thinking already.
Not really. Every single released mini is from the Arkham games with exception of two based upon a recently released Batman movie (ie. strike whilst the iron is hot). It is far smaller a leap in logic to assume that DKR Batman/Bane combo is a one-off than it is to say that we're suddenly going to get a whole slew of non-Arkham related characters.
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Post by: Alpharius
Empchild wrote:
I'm ordering all at once so mid to end of February most likely.
Good idea, most likely.
I'll wait for you to give us the OK to order from you.
Maybe we'll have the rules in English by then!
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Post by: Noir
H.B.M.C. wrote:Noir wrote:Plaese don't start that again, the Dark Knight Batman should of ended the only Arkham thinking already.
Not really.
Every single released mini is from the Arkham games with exception of two based upon a recently released Batman movie (ie. strike whilst the iron is hot).
It is far smaller a leap in logic to assume that DKR Batman/Bane combo is a one-off than it is to say that we're suddenly going to get a whole slew of non-Arkham related characters.
Nothing they every posted on there facebook page points to just Arkham, except the name of the game. Even the brubs for the game hint at a wider range then just Arkham. As it's not "Batman Miniature Game is a skirmish game based on the Arkham video game ", but "Batman Miniature Game is a skirmish game based on the broad Batman universe". Seem no one noticed that part.
Edit, and as there are 2 non-arkham models, they never said only Arkham characters and they bill the game as "the broad Batman universe", it's not much of a leap to say it not only limited to Arkham video game.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Noir wrote:Nothing they every posted on there facebook page points to just Arkham, except the name of the game.
You realise just how silly that statement is, right?
And everything they posted is Arkham. Look at the design of the minis (bar DKR Batman). They're all Arkham designs.
Now go get those wounds covered. Occam's Razor is cutting you deep today.
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Post by: Noir
H.B.M.C. wrote:Noir wrote:Nothing they every posted on there facebook page points to just Arkham, except the name of the game.
You realise just how silly that statement is, right?
And everything they posted is Arkham. Look at the design of the minis (bar DKR Batman). They're all Arkham designs.
Now go get those wounds covered. Occam's Razor is cutting you deep today.
Please point out were that statement is wrong.
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Post by: Empchild
[Hquote=H.B.M.C. 484456 5221880 5ef3b38ebb6368c7e7980509797d624e.png] Noir wrote:Nothing they every posted on there facebook page points to just Arkham, except the name of the game.
You realise just how silly that statement is, right?
And everything they posted is Arkham. Look at the design of the minis (bar DKR Batman). They're all Arkham designs.
Now go get those wounds covered. Occam's Razor is cutting you deep today. Even though this is entertaining to read they are doing movie models too. I was surprised by it but my order sheet says it's not just arkham.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Play nice children. Its pretty clear that they are going beyond the confines of the arkhamverse... then again considering that iirc thr dark night costume is available in-game it doesnt mean anything...
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Post by: Grot 6
Are the figures available yet?
How do I get my hands on some basic sets?
At this point, I don't even care which two factions, because these guys will go great with a few other games I have.
How much are we looking at per starter set?
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Post by: chaos0xomega
There are no starter sets really, nor are there really factions. There are a couple crew boxes (Joker and Penguin) but from what I've been able to gather you would need to buy some additional kits to actually be able to run them.
Start on page 1 and read it through til you run out of posts, that should get you up to speed.
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Post by: Empchild
 Grot 6 wrote:Are the figures available yet?
How do I get my hands on some basic sets?
At this point, I don't even care which two factions, because these guys will go great with a few other games I have.
How much are we looking at per starter set?
I have a few left on my webstore http://www.battleroadhobbies.com/arkam-city-batman/ to be honest though I would act quick as I am taking my remaining inventory to Templecon and it's a safe bet it will sell there next weekend. After that I hope to have a full restock with new stuff by the end of Febuary which by how slow they are shipping is pretty damn quick.
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Post by: skrulnik
Alpharius wrote: Empchild wrote:
I'm ordering all at once so mid to end of February most likely.
Good idea, most likely.
I'll wait for you to give us the OK to order from you.
Maybe we'll have the rules in English by then!
Same here.
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Post by: FacelessMage
Whoo Hoo!
My figures came today!
And I have to say Killer Croc is Huge!
I can't wait until I have time to assemble and paint them.
And when we get the english rules I will have a few friends up lined tup to play.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I just hope for a Catman(yes, I know I could easily convert Bats to one).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Talia and Freeze look great. Good pose on TDKR Bane as well.
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Post by: Alpharius
Loving them all - especially the movie version of Bane!
Now here's to hoping that empchild continues to carry them for USA customers, as I'm not sure where else to buy them in the States!
Plus, you know, English rules, please?
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Post by: Empchild
Better then I thought they would be. Love these minis.
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Post by: Azreal13
Alpharius wrote:Loving them all - especially the movie version of Bane!
Now here's to hoping that empchild continues to carry them for USA customers, as I'm not sure where else to buy them in the States!
Plus, you know, English rules, please?
Seconded for the rules.
I'm under no delusions that they're likely right at the top of the list, but I'm not going to buy any models until I've seen rules. I'm sure I'm not alone in this either.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I wonder when/if we'll get Mr. Hammer and Mr. Sickle. I imagine they'd make interesting 'mini-bosses' for a gang.
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Post by: Empchild
Prices in USD btw:
Bane movie version: $20.11
Freeze: $20.11
Talia Al Ghul: $20.11
Scarecrow: $20.11
Clowns $20.11
Penguins thugs: $20.11
Most likely I will round down and looking at my order sheet I am ordering in quantities of 5 personally. Now for those wanting the Comic book/cartoon style bane I believe he runs $37.75 and soyou know this is off of the current value from xe.com.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
As much as I failed to enjoy Rises, the Bane just clicks with me. Also, I'd field him just to annoy the hell out of my opponent by quoting him.
Kinda was hoping for the League of Assassins to become a full gang though.
And, the rules thing still bothers me a bit.
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Post by: Empchild
Anung Un Rama wrote:As much as I failed to enjoy Rises, the Bane just clicks with me. Also, I'd field him just to annoy the hell out of my opponent by quoting him.
Kinda was hoping for the League of Assassins to become a full gang though.
And, the rules thing still bothers me a bit.
My vendor partner was quoting Bane all weekend at Templecon, it was great the first day but by day three I wanted to shoot him.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
We still may get a gaggle of Ninjas and Ra's Al.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think we will see them as a full gang once the Demon himself shows up!
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Post by: Empchild
Alpharius wrote:I think we will see them as a full gang once the Demon himself shows up!
Here's hoping as that could be a fun gang.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Alpharius wrote:I think we will see them as a full gang once the Demon himself shows up!
The Demon would be great....
Gone, gone the form of man, Rise the demon Etrigan!
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Post by: Commander Cain
The latest releases are all stunning! Great detail, proportions, and most important of all, very true to either the movie or the game. Oh, and the prices are brilliant, very tempting to get a gang or two!
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Talia looks off to me for some reason, like her torso just doesnt look right...
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Post by: Rainbow Dash
why doesn't Mr Freeze look like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
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Post by: Empchild
Hurt yourself it's the arkham version and they dont have the rights to that movie.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash
Empchild wrote:
Hurt yourself it's the arkham version and they dont have the rights to that movie.
they couldn't get the rights to batman and robin but somehow got the rights to the dark knight rises!?
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Post by: timetowaste85
 Rainbow Dash wrote: Empchild wrote:
Hurt yourself it's the arkham version and they dont have the rights to that movie.
they couldn't get the rights to batman and robin but somehow got the rights to the dark knight rises!?
Most people involved in Batman & Robin would like it to be forgotten, and that means not being dragged out by a gaming company.
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Post by: Empchild
I would say more didn't want to as opposed to couldnt. They are a business and want people to buy their stuff not hate it .
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Post by: Rainbow Dash
I did hate most everything about Batman and Robin, except Mr. Freeze and his lame ice puns
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Post by: -Loki-
Empchild wrote:I would say more didn't want to as opposed to couldnt. They are a business and want people to buy their stuff not hate it .
Oh I'm sure there's people who would buy them for comedic reasons.
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Sad but true loki
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Post by: Manchu
Talia looks much better than I would have thought.
The thing about this game is ... I'm not sure it's really better than playing Arkham City.
Whoa whoa whoa.
Not everything ...
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd love some Entrigan too, but I meant Ra's al Ghul.
In Comic Book land, his name has been translated as "The Demon's Head" or some such.
And you know we'll be getting Ra's eventually...
I'm still waiting for the Arkham version of Azreal!
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Alpharius wrote:I'd love some Entrigan too, but I meant Ra's al Ghul.
In Comic Book land, his name has been translated as "The Demon's Head" or some such.
And you know we'll be getting Ra's eventually...
I'm still waiting for the Arkham version of Azreal!
Not just in comic book land: "Hamil Ra's Al-Ghul" (  ) is the Arabic name for the constellation Perseus, roughly "Bearer of the Demon's Head".
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Post by: Platuan4th
-Loki- wrote: Empchild wrote:I would say more didn't want to as opposed to couldnt. They are a business and want people to buy their stuff not hate it .
Oh I'm sure there's people who would buy them for comedic reasons.
Or "ironically".
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Post by: Empchild
Order sent and i will be posting all of this to our webstore later for those wanting to order what we have. Nornally i wouldn't dothat but the supply and demand has been big.
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Post by: Conrad Turner
 Manchu wrote:The thing about this game is ... I'm not sure it's really better than playing Arkham City.
Only if you can get your hands on the patch! Didn't get it on Steam so can't patch there, GFWL just sends me to an X-box site and I don't own one, can't find one outside of that, so am stuck battling Ra's as it won't give me the reverse batarang to defeat him! I'm sure that won't happen in the miniatures game!
Hubba hubba. why is it that I HAD forgotten that diamond in the rough!
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Post by: Manchu
TBH, she's a good actress who mailed it in on this one. But it's worth it nonetheless. And don't you think the outfit actually fits the Arkham City aesthetic?
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Post by: Alpharius
It actually does - though sadly I doubt we'll see her in model form.
I'd bet we get a more modern incarnation of Batgirl though - and that would be OK!
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Perhaps they'll do a fan favorites line. One can only hope.
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe one of our Spanish speaking users can do a little digging on the whole English rules availability question?
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Post by: Compel
Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet we get a more modern incarnation of Batgirl though - and that would be OK!
Well, tabletop wise, it'd probably be more useful than an Oracle model. - Although, that'd be a pretty good collectors piece...
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Post by: Alpharius
Is there an Oracle in the New 52?
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Post by: Compel
From my understanding, there is. sort of... Bab's was Oracle for 6 months or so but 'got better.'
However, she still is in the Arkham-verse
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Post by: Kroothawk
Manchu wrote:TBH, she's a good actress who mailed it in on this one. But it's worth it nonetheless. And don't you think the outfit actually fits the Arkham City aesthetic?
She never has been a good actress, esp. not in this weird movie. And a blonde niece of Alfred with an eye mask has nothing to do with Batgirl (red headed daughter of commissioner James Gordon with bat ear mask), not even when wearing leather fetish clothes.
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Post by: Manchu
No and good riddance. Automatically Appended Next Post: As if!
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Post by: Manchu
Babs doesn't need to be imprisoned in a wheelchair when other heroes aren't stopped by death. I despise the special interest group argument that DC needs to keep her in the chair to show that "handicapped people can be superheroes too." As Oracle, Babs was basically a high powered secretary -- NOT a superhero (unless you count comic adventures that occurred purely in virtual reality). If DC or anyone else was actually serious about depicting handicapped people as superheroes they would handle the topic with an A-lister rather than putting another B-list or lower female character "in a refrigerator" and pretending the result is poignant. That's WTF.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Manchu wrote:Babs doesn't need to be imprisoned in a wheelchair when other heroes aren't stopped by death. I despise the special interest group argument that DC needs to keep her in the chair to show that "handicapped people can be superheroes too." As Oracle, Babs was basically a high powered secretary -- NOT a superhero (unless you count comic adventures that occurred purely in virtual reality). If DC or anyone else was actually serious about depicting handicapped people as superheroes they would handle the topic with an A-lister rather than putting another B-list or lower female character "in a refrigerator" and pretending the result is poignant. That's WTF.
I never really thought of Oracle as a "high powered secretary"...
By the same vein of her "not being a superhero", I consider Batman to be the same thing.
They are individuals whose true power lies not in their fists but their intellects.
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Post by: Manchu
Kanluwen wrote:They are individuals whose true power lies not in their fists but their intellects.
Uh no. Please look at any Batman comic, movie, game, etc, and you will see him jumping all over the place and doing bat-fu. I don't have many red button issues but the idea that Babara Gordon should be kept in a wheelchair is one of them.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I wouldn't call Prof X (wheelchair) or Daredevil (blind) B-list. Both are Marvel though.
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Post by: Manchu
Well, I certainly wasn't calling either of them B-list.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Doom Patrol's Chief is also in a wheelchair, Doctor Mid-Night is (in some incarnations) blind, both DC characters.
I've always been fond of Oracle, but at the same time the ease with which various people bounce back from injury was always at odds with Babs' paralysis (Selina Kyle had her heart cut out and replaced and went back to her job as an acrobatic burglar).
Edit: to be somewhat on topic, any pictures of these models in the wild? How are they cast, what is the scale comparison, so on?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kroothawk wrote:I wouldn't call Prof X (wheelchair) or Daredevil (blind) B-list. Both are Marvel though.
Manchu wrote:Well, I certainly wasn't calling either of them B-list.
No?
Manchu wrote: If DC or anyone else was actually serious about depicting handicapped people as superheroes they would handle the topic with an A-lister rather than putting another B-list or lower female character "in a refrigerator" and pretending the result is poignant.
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Post by: Manchu
No. But it is interesting to see how you actually read my posts ... Automatically Appended Next Post: Buzzsaw wrote:any pictures of these models in the wild? How are they cast, what is the scale comparison, so on?
Best I can find: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RiKQnaU7sv0/ULuUCzOmDaI/AAAAAAAAG7g/1DzOrK3W9zo/s1600/batmancomparison.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8KWiahiHFYQ/ULuZnV1u5LI/AAAAAAAAG9Q/AaXm3RQjNSs/s1600/5756027.jpg
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm sure there's a better place to debate that topic - every new post in here makes me think the English rules have finally been released!
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Post by: vinsal
@alpharius - that's what i keep popping back in to check on in this thread. Every new update i come and hope to see some rules.
The minis are nice, but i don't want to commit to filler models for gangs until i see some rules.
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Post by: Alpharius
vinsal wrote:@alpharius - that's what i keep popping back in to check on in this thread. Every new update i come and hope to see some rules.
The minis are nice, but i don't want to commit to filler models for gangs until i see some rules.
Probably the best way to go for now - stick to the personalities, and wait (and hope!) for the best!
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Post by: Empchild
Alpharius wrote:I'm sure there's a better place to debate that topic - every new post in here makes me think the English rules have finally been released!
Why tell me that because now i just want to be sadistic. Does anyone have a link to the spanish rules. I have time so at this point i will just do a rough English version.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That's a little too cartoony for Arham City.
Weirdly though I've played the game so much that I know where in the city that is...
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd be OK with that version of Batgirl showing up though...
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Post by: RogueRegault
I'd far prefer Cassandra Cain.
Best fit for the Arkham City style, and a far better Batgirl than any of the other three. Barbara Gordon is good as Oracle, but lame as Batgirl.
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Post by: Grot 6
Do the factions come in starter sets, or do you have to get them by the blister pack?
How many figures make up a team?
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Post by: Empchild
Grot 6 wrote:Do the factions come in starter sets, or do you have to get them by the blister pack?
How many figures make up a team?
Yes penguin and joker atm have starters. From what i can figure it's a small skirmish game so tenish models.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Empchild wrote: Alpharius wrote:I'm sure there's a better place to debate that topic - every new post in here makes me think the English rules have finally been released!
Why tell me that because now i just want to be sadistic. Does anyone have a link to the spanish rules. I have time so at this point i will just do a rough English version.
SPANISH RULES
Basic Rules:http://www.mediafire.com/?guzk65gh6yrrbd3
Special Traits Rules : http://www.mediafire.com/?2nlb44mlex1q6lc
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Post by: happygolucky
Just wondering but where are the English rules? I cant seem to find them anywhere...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 happygolucky wrote:Just wondering but where are the English rules? I cant seem to find them anywhere...
There are no english rules, they were promised 'soon' just around Xmas but no sign of them, and no further mention of them by Knight models
so you can either imagine they are just round the corner,
or you can imagine that as the models are selling well (perhaps too well for Knight's production capacity) they might have put translation on the back burner
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Post by: Grot 6
I'd really like to see a Hitman Model in there.
This stuff really looks fun. Hope they can keep up the quality.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Grot 6 wrote:I'd really like to see a Hitman Model in there.
This stuff really looks fun. Hope they can keep up the quality.
this is my too often post in this thread saying i'd really like to see rules in english!
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Post by: happygolucky
I second English rules, would love to buy and play these models...
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Post by: kojku
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: happygolucky wrote:Just wondering but where are the English rules? I cant seem to find them anywhere...
There are no english rules, they were promised 'soon' just around Xmas but no sign of them, and no further mention of them by Knight models
so you can either imagine they are just round the corner,
or you can imagine that as the models are selling well (perhaps too well for Knight's production capacity) they might have put translation on the back burner
This Saturday the Batman miniature game distributor in Spain organized a presentation of the game in his shop. It was fun, many demonstration games, makeup artist, the sculptor of Knight models, contests, gifts. I remembered this forum and ask for the rules in English and they said that most likely this week will be!!
If want to see a picture of the boys event Forging Games ,makers of the rules( Ron&bones, Tale Revision game soon also),has posted an album on your facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ForgingGames
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Great news the english rules look to be getting closer
thanks for remembering to ask for us
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Anyone know if they will be releasing a rulebook at some point? (As in a formal set of rules vs a download)
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Post by: Empchild
chaos0xomega wrote:Anyone know if they will be releasing a rulebook at some point? (As in a formal set of rules vs a download)
I would imagine and hope so.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Empchild wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Anyone know if they will be releasing a rulebook at some point? (As in a formal set of rules vs a download)
I would imagine and hope so.
im sure they will...in spanish...with an english rule book many many months after
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Post by: Empchild
Lol nice.
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Post by: Alpharius
kojku wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: happygolucky wrote:Just wondering but where are the English rules? I cant seem to find them anywhere...
There are no english rules, they were promised 'soon' just around Xmas but no sign of them, and no further mention of them by Knight models
so you can either imagine they are just round the corner,
or you can imagine that as the models are selling well (perhaps too well for Knight's production capacity) they might have put translation on the back burner
This Saturday the Batman miniature game distributor in Spain organized a presentation of the game in his shop. It was fun, many demonstration games, makeup artist, the sculptor of Knight models, contests, gifts. I remembered this forum and ask for the rules in English and they said that most likely this week will be!!
If want to see a picture of the boys event Forging Games ,makers of the rules( Ron&bones, Tale Revision game soon also),has posted an album on your facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ForgingGames
Yes - thank you very much for remembering us here on Dakka Dakka!
Your English speaking brothers salute you!
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Post by: kojku
ironicsilence wrote: Empchild wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Anyone know if they will be releasing a rulebook at some point? (As in a formal set of rules vs a download)
I would imagine and hope so.
im sure they will...in spanish...with an english rule book many many months after
Wait for the Spanish version of warhamer many years
Wait for the Spanish version of FoW many years
Wait for the Spanish version of Confrontation 2 years
I'm waiting for the Spanish version of Malifaux many years later
I do not think much wait 5 or 6 weeks, I understand you're not used but for someone who speaks Spanish seems a bit exaggerated complaint
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Post by: Empchild
So wait...you mean the world doesn't revolve around us in the lands of English...i just can't believe that.
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Post by: kojku
Empchild wrote:So wait...you mean the world doesn't revolve around us in the lands of English...i just can't believe that.
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I think so
PD:No one has said anything, you have not looked at the pictures, but the sculptor showed the green in two very eseciales March news 
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Post by: ephrael
What is the terrain they are using in the pictures? It looks really good and adaptable for other games too. The Batman miniatures look amazing as well, that goes without saying.
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Post by: Azreal13
ephrael wrote:What is the terrain they are using in the pictures? It looks really good and adaptable for other games too. The Batman miniatures look amazing as well, that goes without saying.
It's all papercraft.
The mat is on this site
http://www.toposolitario.es/workshop/index.html
Not sure where the other stuff is from, but google paper sci fi terrain and you'll find it
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Post by: kojku
Photo of Green, new in March, shown by the sculptor in the presentation
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Post by: Cyporiean
Green Arrow?
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LOL, Green Arrow as a Green.
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Post by: Compel
I wonder if they'll do an 'Arrow' version of him...
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Post by: Kanluwen
It actually looks like they already are...
This might be my first purchase from Empchild! 
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yo dawg I heard you like green arrow?
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Green Arrow? AWESOME! I want him now. Wait, I want the English rules, and then I want a Green Arrow miniature!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Can we just have a Green Arrow game instead?
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Post by: greenskin lynn
do we really need to games that will involve batman making fun of his trick arrows
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Post by: kilcin
Awesome! Thanks.
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Post by: Alpharius
Finally!
Awesome!
Thanks!
Traveling for work... no time to really dive into this...
Eagerly awaiting the review of the rules...
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Post by: str00dles1
So I looked over the rules. For some reason I dont understand combat. If anyone would be so kind as to post a example of how attacking,hitting, damage rolling works?
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Post by: FacelessMage
I saw the links to the rules and litterally shouted for joy.
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Post by: Grot 6
So looks like it is official.
I need a kickstarter for my Game funding.
Rules are pretty rough, but doable. Please sir, may I have some more?
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Post by: RogueRegault
Manchu wrote:Babs doesn't need to be imprisoned in a wheelchair when other heroes aren't stopped by death. I despise the special interest group argument that DC needs to keep her in the chair to show that "handicapped people can be superheroes too." As Oracle, Babs was basically a high powered secretary -- NOT a superhero (unless you count comic adventures that occurred purely in virtual reality). If DC or anyone else was actually serious about depicting handicapped people as superheroes they would handle the topic with an A-lister rather than putting another B-list or lower female character "in a refrigerator" and pretending the result is poignant. That's WTF.
The problem is that Babs was a bland Mary Sue put in as a tv show tie-in who only became an interesting character after Ostrander wrote her into Oracle in Suicide Squad. The new 52 throws one great Batgirl and one half-decent Batgirl under the bus so Babs can go back to being a bland Mary Sue.
The new Batgirl comic somehow managed to be the worst comic of the New 52 in a line that had two different comics written and drawn by Rob Liefeld.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
RogueRegault wrote: Manchu wrote:Babs doesn't need to be imprisoned in a wheelchair when other heroes aren't stopped by death. I despise the special interest group argument that DC needs to keep her in the chair to show that "handicapped people can be superheroes too." As Oracle, Babs was basically a high powered secretary -- NOT a superhero (unless you count comic adventures that occurred purely in virtual reality). If DC or anyone else was actually serious about depicting handicapped people as superheroes they would handle the topic with an A-lister rather than putting another B-list or lower female character "in a refrigerator" and pretending the result is poignant. That's WTF.
The problem is that Babs was a bland Mary Sue put in as a tv show tie-in who only became an interesting character after Ostrander wrote her into Oracle in Suicide Squad. The new 52 throws one great Batgirl and one half-decent Batgirl under the bus so Babs can go back to being a bland Mary Sue.
The new Batgirl comic somehow managed to be the worst comic of the New 52 in a line that had two different comics written and drawn by Rob Liefeld.
Can I stop you here? We have a whole thread for comic book discussions. There, I even linked it for you and quoted your last post, so we can pick up the discussion there.
On-Topic: English rules! YES!
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Post by: Empchild
Or do what many others have done and buy a membership at battleroadhobbies and get 25% off... im sorry for the shameless plug I'm extremely happy for the rules and look forward to reviewing them today.
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Post by: reps0l
str00dles1 wrote:So I looked over the rules. For some reason I dont understand combat. If anyone would be so kind as to post a example of how attacking,hitting, damage rolling works?
It is confusing, or maybe just different. Here is how I interpret them:
For each Attack Counter ( AC), you can use it to make an Impact Roll.
For each Impact Roll, if you roll higher than your opponent's Defense you get to make a Damage Roll.
For each Damage Roll, if you roll higher than your own Strength you inflict Damage.
In 40k terms:
Attack Counters = # of attacks
Impact Roll = roll To Hit
Damage Roll = roll To Wound
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reps0l wrote:str00dles1 wrote:So I looked over the rules. For some reason I dont understand combat. If anyone would be so kind as to post a example of how attacking,hitting, damage rolling works?
It is confusing, or maybe just different. Here is how I interpret them:
For each Attack Counter ( AC), you can use it to make an Impact Roll.
For each Impact Roll, if you roll higher than your opponent's Defense you get to make a Damage Roll.
For each Damage Roll, if you roll higher than your own Strength you inflict Damage.
In 40k terms:
Attack Counters = # of attacks
Impact Roll = roll To Hit
Damage Roll = roll To Wound
Ok, so just so I can understand this..using batmans card as its the only one spoiled...
Batmans willpower is 8, so I get 8 six sided dice and I can put them on his move,defense,special, and attack bars.
I give him 3 on attack. I can spend all 3 to make 3 attack rolls.
If fighting another Batman, I need 5s as that is batmans defense. Lets say I get all 5s
I then roll and because his strength is a 3+, I need just 3 or higher and I wound batman.
If blocking, lets say the other batman had 3 defense dice in his DC pool. I could spend them all and I would need 5s to block because batmans attack value is 5?
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Just looked through the english rules and although rough and a little interpertation required due to the translation they look like fun.
Qudos for making the rules free!
Now to find a UK distributor.....
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Post by: Empchild
 DiabolicAl wrote:Just looked through the english rules and although rough and a little interpertation required due to the translation they look like fun.
Qudos for making the rules free!
Now to find a UK distributor.....
The supply depot has been dealing them but if you can't find an up to date one in the UK shoot me a pm and i can set you up.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Empchild wrote: DiabolicAl wrote:Just looked through the english rules and although rough and a little interpertation required due to the translation they look like fun.
Qudos for making the rules free!
Now to find a UK distributor.....
The supply depot has been dealing them but if you can't find an up to date one in the UK shoot me a pm and i can set you up.
Great, ill try my local guy and if he cant get it in ill take you up on that, cheers!
Still looking through the rules. I think you could play a few basic games easily enough and then scale it up with attributes and advanced rules. The scenery will have to be scratch built i guess. Still, i may be able to talk the missus into playing this one Automatically Appended Next Post: Possibly the worst crime discovered yet....
They labelled a quote with the wrong film!!! 
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Post by: kojku
Other photos of the presentation published by Forging Games (designers of rules) https://www.facebook.com/ForgingGames?ref=hl
Other new for March (arm is misplaced)
Deathstroke
Official tester ready to play demonstration games. They call ¡¡¡¡ Proooooooooteinnnnn Joker !!!!!
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Post by: reps0l
str00dles1 wrote:If blocking, lets say the other batman had 3 defense dice in his DC pool. I could spend them all and I would need 5s to block because batmans attack value is 5?
Yeah, looks like you got the jist of it. Just note, I think you block the Impact hits not the Damage.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Deathstroke? Sweet! Nice to see that they're including other DC charakters, but no one who could potentially beat every other charakter in the blink on an eye like Superman. Automatically Appended Next Post: reps0l wrote:str00dles1 wrote:If blocking, lets say the other batman had 3 defense dice in his DC pool. I could spend them all and I would need 5s to block because batmans attack value is 5?
Yeah, looks like you got the jist of it. Just note, I think you block the Impact hits not the Damage.
Maybe we should open a thread in another section to avoid filling the news thread with rules discussions.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Deathstroke and Oliver Queen?
Damn, I'm gonna be spoiled...
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Post by: timetowaste85
Why is my wallet screaming in agony? Oh...wait. Now I know. Time to find out it my semi-local store is getting these in...
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Post by: Empchild
 timetowaste85 wrote:Why is my wallet screaming in agony? Oh...wait. Now I know. Time to find out it my semi-local store is getting these in...
Atm in the U.S.A only myself and coolmini are allowed to sell as they are not taking anymore retail accounts just distribution (which i am looking at doing).
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Post by: reps0l
Empchild wrote:Atm in the U.S.A only myself and coolmini are allowed to sell as they are not taking anymore retail accounts just distribution (which i am looking at doing).
What is your webstore? I'd like to take a look.
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Post by: Cyporiean
reps0l wrote: Empchild wrote:Atm in the U.S.A only myself and coolmini are allowed to sell as they are not taking anymore retail accounts just distribution (which i am looking at doing).
What is your webstore? I'd like to take a look.
http://battleroadhobbies.com/
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Post by: str00dles1
So do the stat cards come with the models for the game? Or is that spoiled elsewhere. Id like to be able to see what their stats are/ abilities so I can decide what I might want to buy
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Post by: reps0l
Comes with the models from what I can tell. If you skim through the Special Traits book you can infer which characters get what traits. But nothing on base stats.
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Post by: Tyrion
Ahhh, this must have been removed all i'm getting is The webpage cannot be found. shoot :-(
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Tyrion wrote:
Ahhh, this must have been removed all i'm getting is The webpage cannot be found. shoot :-(
yep cannot get it too
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Post by: Grot 6
Think these guys will fit in good with Crooked Dice figures?
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Post by: Alpharius
Just head on over to the Knight Models main page and you'll see the links to the downloadable rules!
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Post by: kojku
Alpharius wrote:Just head on over to the Knight Models main page and you'll see the links to the downloadable rules!
Are also on the Facebook page designers rules https://www.facebook.com/ForgingGames?ref=hl
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Can you click the link for me Alpha... I'm too lazy.
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Post by: str00dles1
Anyone who has some of the minis able to post or pm me pics of the stat cards? Or maybe a link to them. I would like to test this before I dump money into it
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Do we have a thread for discussing the rules yet? Because I just looked into it and have trouble will the playing sequence already.
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Post by: Alpharius
Anung Un Rama wrote:Do we have a thread for discussing the rules yet? Because I just looked into it and have trouble will the playing sequence already.
I don't think we do, but feel free to start one over here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/30.page
Thanks!
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Post by: DiabolicAl
I found a UK Supplier and it just happens to be payday!
In for Bats, a couple of coppers, Joker crew, and Harley
Ill post pictures when they arrive
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Does anyone know if theres a campaign/career mode planned for the game?
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I would imagine as most of the scenerios play towards that.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Empchild wrote:
I would imagine as most of the scenerios play towards that.
Great, thanks for that.
DiabolicAl wrote:I found a UK Supplier and it just happens to be payday!
In for Bats, a couple of coppers, Joker crew, and Harley
Ill post pictures when they arrive
Which supplier is this? Supply Drop?
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Bought my joker crew. Anyone know if there's a full rulebook planned? Also, if there an official news blog or is it just what appears on the KM store?
Thanks
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Post by: grefven
I guess maybe their FB page?
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Thanks. Not a big FB user, but if thats the only source of news then I'll have to try and keep an eye on it.
Wonder when they are announcing the next batch of releases? Automatically Appended Next Post: Joker Crew pack didn't come with any cards or stats? Just me or has anyone else had this?
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Post by: str00dles1
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Thanks. Not a big FB user, but if thats the only source of news then I'll have to try and keep an eye on it.
Wonder when they are announcing the next batch of releases?
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Joker Crew pack didn't come with any cards or stats? Just me or has anyone else had this?
You should contact where ever you got it. It should come with stats cards for each guy. It is like Malifaux where the backing in the clampack is the cards. Automatically Appended Next Post: This might be helpful to some. It isnt much and I wish people would post immages or atleast type of abilities and stats of the guys. Here is a list of the stuff so far...
"formatted" this list in the following way - "Name" - " RP Cost"/"Type"/"Affiliation" (or any restrictions specific to the character)
Batman Allied
...
Batman - 130 RP/Leader/"Batman"
Nightwing - 85 RP/Sidekick/"Batman"
Gotham Policeman - 16 RP/Henchman/"Batman"
Agent Ron - 25 RP/Hencheman/"Batman"
Free Agents
Catwoman - 66 RP/Free Agent/Hates Joker
Killer-Croc - 95 RP/Free Agent/Hates Batman, Hates Bane
Mr. Freeze - 75 RP/Free Agent
Scarecrow - 57 RP/Free Agent/Hates Batman
Arkham City Gangs
Talia Al Ghul - 71 RP/Sidekick/Ra's Al Ghul, Afinity Batman
Bane - 150 RP/Leader/"Bane", Affinity Batman
The Penguin - 75 RP/Leader/"Penguin"
Royal-Penguin - 24 RP/Henchman/"Penguin"
Blue-Penguin I (Shield) - 13 RP/Henchman/"Penguin"
Emperor-Penguin - 31 RP/Henchman/"Penguin"
Blue-Penguin II (Machette) - 13 RP/Henchman/"Penguin"
Blue-Penguin III (Automatic Pistol) - 13 RP/Henchman/"Penguin"
The Joker - 90 RP/Leader/"Joker"
Harley Quinn - 61 RP/Sidekick/"Joker"
The Ringmaster - 32 RP/Henchman/"Joker"
Contra-Augeste - 21 RP/Henchman/"Joker"
The Clown - 15 RP/Henchman/"Joker"
August - 25 RP/Henchman/"Joker"
Triston - 26 RP/Henchman/"Joker"
Movie Characters
Batman - 120 RP/Leader/"Batman"
Bane - 96 RP/Sidekick/Ra's Al Ghul
Hope this can help people atleast see rep costs on how they might wanna build their force. Again if anyone could spoil stats and abiltiies of the guys it would be helpful to.
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str00dles1 that is awesome. Thank you.
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Also made tokens to represent the objectives (loot, enigma,ammo,titan 2x of each as thats the max) and lamp post and manhole tokens. 3 of each as each player places d3.
Never really done file sharing asside drop box. It says I can share an uploaded item to people who dont even have drop box. So here is hoping these work. I couldnt make perfect measurements ( or any really asside my best judgement)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m64xlwdmc7z7pb/objectives_batman.docx
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpsmlp23zsxyj6r/lights_sewers%20batman.docx
Let me know if they work, or if anyone wants to change sizes to make objectives 35mm/35mm sewers and smaller lamp posts ( as I dont see them being that big)
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Post by: Platuan4th
Is that list accurate? Interesting that Freeze doesn't have Hates Batman if so, might have to try a Bats/Freeze team up.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan, have you played Arkham City?
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The list is from a facebook group called Arkham City Limits.
It fits the game. You can even run bane and batman togeather. Each kinda aided batman in the game to some extent. Also take into account thats 2 guys vs a crew of jokers 6, or penguins 8-9 guys for bout the same points.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Unfortunately, no. Vidja Games falls rather low on my spending list, I buy when I happen to have extra money. Also, the library here doesn't have them to borrow(which is how I played Asylum) like they did in Colorado.
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Post by: Empchild
The new minis should arrive here soon so I will take some pics when they do. I for one am rather excited on the recent releases as they are pretty amazing minis. Also I saw a pic of Yaya Han in the Arkham catwomen costume and that made my day.
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Post by: str00dles1
Nice, what are you getting? Excited to see some card pics.
my group got batman, joker box, catwoman and penguin box but wont come til next week.
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Post by: Empchild
str00dles1 wrote:Nice, what are you getting? Excited to see some card pics.
my group got batman, joker box, catwoman and penguin box but wont come til next week.
My order was a restock on all of the past stuff plus 5-7 of each of the new items(already almost sold out on the store). Truthfully I am thinking of just starting to order at distribution levels soon as I have to keep doubling my orders just to keep up.
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Empchild wrote:str00dles1 wrote:Nice, what are you getting? Excited to see some card pics.
my group got batman, joker box, catwoman and penguin box but wont come til next week.
My order was a restock on all of the past stuff plus 5-7 of each of the new items(already almost sold out on the store). Truthfully I am thinking of just starting to order at distribution levels soon as I have to keep doubling my orders just to keep up.
Nice, hope they all come in soon!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Empchild wrote:str00dles1 wrote:Nice, what are you getting? Excited to see some card pics.
my group got batman, joker box, catwoman and penguin box but wont come til next week.
My order was a restock on all of the past stuff plus 5-7 of each of the new items(already almost sold out on the store). Truthfully I am thinking of just starting to order at distribution levels soon as I have to keep doubling my orders just to keep up.
Are you getting Green Arrow in yet? I might have to place an order...
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Post by: Empchild
No green arrow yet sorry but everything else arrived.
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Get those stat card pictures up!
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Post by: str00dles1
Misprints/Translations for Harley:
Tough on the weapon is actually Heavy ( So shes a 4+ to wound with the bat)
Disarry is actually Disorder (1SC) Every 2 DC spent on blocking and attack, get 3 block dice instead.
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Man I love those stat cards!
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