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Post by: RoninXiC
Da**... love his french accent  It's soooo cute  (I'm German... so maybe I shouldn't complain about accents )
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Tresson wrote: keltikhoa wrote:Raging Heroes wrote:WHAT'S HAPPENING IS CRAZY !!!!! WE'VE FUNDED IN 30 SECONDS AND WE ARE AT 100 000 $ AFTER LESS THAN AN HOUR!!!! WE CAN'T KEEP UP UNLOCKING THE STRECH GOALS, SO PLEASE SEE THE HEROINES, TROOPS, AND SUPPORT IMAGES TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE NOW, knowing that there is definitely more to come. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR AMAZING SUPPORT!!!!!!!!
I lol'd a bit
Why do I now have an image of their entire office running around with arms flailing?
Because you're mistaking France for the US. They are most probably knee deep in a nice Pinot Noir right now, with a hearthy bowl of bouillabaisse.
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Post by: Barzam
I probably would have backed this back when it was originally supposed to launch. Being able to get some well sculpted female troops in plastic would've been really nice. But, now that it's finally launched, it seems a little too expensive for me to back it. I dropped a ton on Deadzone and I'm likely to drop more because a lot of what Deadzone had to offer seemed like a good deal. For this though, the pledge levels seem awfully high for what you're getting. The lowest level in which you can get some basic troops is $95. If there were a $15 option to just get a box of troops, I might back it, but since there isn't and I'm really not all that interested in the heroes, I can't see myself putting money into this Kickstarter. Plus there's the lack of free shipping anywhere.
All that said, the Iron Empire seem to be the least cheesecake-ish of the bunch. Plus, they look like they'd go nicely with my Bauhaus forces. If I were to back it, I'd go for them.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It's like Kingdom Death
A decent sized fan base for minis which were hard to get (even though not limited release there were just so few of them),
and lots of us knew about it in advance (so much for folk getting bored by the wait)
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
There are still a few 350 captains left.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Five hundred people obviously think otherwise, but those prices look awful to me.
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Post by: Yonan
 Barzam wrote:I probably would have backed this back when it was originally supposed to launch. Being able to get some well sculpted female troops in plastic would've been really nice. But, now that it's finally launched, it seems a little too expensive for me to back it. I dropped a ton on Deadzone and I'm likely to drop more because a lot of what Deadzone had to offer seemed like a good deal. For this though, the pledge levels seem awfully high for what you're getting.
Raging Heroes minis have always been priced at a bit of a premium. As an owner of some - they're well worth it. Mantic does give great value (I'm in for $850 on Deadzone too), but Raging Heroes quality is substantially greater.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 AlexHolker wrote:Five hundred people obviously think otherwise, but those prices look awful to me.
It's not cheap, but that's not the point (at least for this KS)
there's some discount to the MSRP, but more important it lets them actually make the minis
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I'm still flabbergasted as to which faction to get. I love them all.
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Post by: RoninXiC
AlexHolker wrote:Five hundred people obviously think otherwise, but those prices look awful to me.
15$ for 5 individually posed miniatures is awful? Really? GW nowadays wants 35$ for 5 Dire Avengers! Automatically Appended Next Post:
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEfinately the Jailbirds for me!
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Post by: Barzam
I know Raging Heroes normal releases are boutique minis, my problem is just that $95 should really be getting you a bit more than 7 figures. I think if there were a low-end level that let you just get a single box of troops and that's it, I probably wouldn't have all that much of a problem.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Lieutenant Kotzen???
Kotzen means to vomit!
Also look out for the Lulus!
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Post by: decker_cky
Same here. I've got a bunch of old metal catachans, so some cheesecake females to go with the steroid enhanced males seems appropriate.
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Post by: Yonan
In my native Swahili it means "Virgin Goddess"!
... not really.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
 Kroothawk wrote:Lieutenant Kotzen???
Kotzen means to vomit!
Also look out for the Lulus!
Shhhhhh, everyone knows Americans don't care about the rest of the world.
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Post by: Lansirill
Barzam wrote:I know Raging Heroes normal releases are boutique minis, my problem is just that $95 should really be getting you a bit more than 7 figures. I think if there were a low-end level that let you just get a single box of troops and that's it, I probably wouldn't have all that much of a problem.
Get the $15 pledge for a single heroine. Add-on troop boxes to your heart's content. (I suppose I could be wrong in my assumption that you'll be able to pledge extra for add-ons, but that seems unlikely.)
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Again, they're French, they should have picked up on this...
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Post by: Grundz
NEED MOAR ADMECH GIRL!
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Post by: Barzam
Yeah, i actually can't do any add-ons. Besides, all I really want is 1 $15 box of troops, but to get that one box, I'd have to shell out $53 because I'd have to pledge at the $15, add on the extra $15 for what I actually want, then add another $23 for the shipping. I think I may just have to wait until these possibly see a release outside of the Kickstarter.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Lansirill wrote: Barzam wrote:I know Raging Heroes normal releases are boutique minis, my problem is just that $95 should really be getting you a bit more than 7 figures. I think if there were a low-end level that let you just get a single box of troops and that's it, I probably wouldn't have all that much of a problem.
Get the $15 pledge for a single heroine. Add-on troop boxes to your heart's content. (I suppose I could be wrong in my assumption that you'll be able to pledge extra for add-ons, but that seems unlikely.)
You can do that (but remember if you do you need to add the appropriate postage
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Post by: scarletsquig
Cool Kickstarter! Really like the concepts.
Also, well-established boutique company + lots of tits and ass = Kingdom Death levels of success. 
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I want to know what level is has to hit for plastics.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Personally, I'm probably going to be too tapped out to contribute much to the future "Nuns wiff guns" KS, so I'll be taking the opportunity to get a majority of heavier troops to simulate SoB.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The heavy troopers look great.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
RH has just said on the comments they are going to be adding more early birds,
so if you're on a 'normal' level keep your eyes open
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Post by: cincydooley
Wow... That took like, no time at all. Stretch Goal Time!
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Post by: RoninXiC
Irk... first Brian Blessed comment... no thank you sir!
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Post by: Grundz
yeah, $23 shipping seems extremely excessive, i've shipped 20+lb guncases overseas for around that.
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Post by: RoninXiC
It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
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Post by: Alpharius
Kurganovas and/or Jail Birds for me.
The Iron Empire... well, something had to get cut!
Cannot wait for the Motorcycle and Mech reveals!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I agree with the price complaints.
They look nice, I'm aware of their pedigree, but it quickly exits the limits of what small amount of cash I have left to spend.
I wouldn't mind getting a box of troops or a handful of heroines, but I'm really getting tapped on these massive money sinks of miniatures.
The other downside for me is there's no game attached.
I'm more of a boardgamer than a wargamer, so these don't hold as much value for me, but I can see where this would be a boon for others.
I'm going to keep checking up on this one in the hopes that they can figure something out with shipping. Maybe I can talk someone into splitting shipping with me so we can both get a few pieces.
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Post by: Slinky
Iron Empire all the way for me 
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Post by: overtyrant
Really looking forward to tge Mecha.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
There is an outline for the Iron empire biker.....sexiness. I can't wait
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Post by: Grundz
RoninXiC wrote:It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
Then thats bad presentation, I understand that weight doesn't matter for most shipping, either these are hilariously, needlessly big, the art book is massive, or you're getting soaked, as shipping is a (high) flat rate no matter what pledge, i'm guessing you're getting soaked, getting 1 mini costs the same shipping as the 995 " wtf hilarity" 100+ models package? comon dude.
It doesn't look like the KS needs me to pledge to meet goals, but with those shipping rates it doesn't make sense unless you want the art book and KS perks (I dont) or are spending so much that you dont care I'll just wait for them to be publically available and pay the 7 bucks for shipping like everything else.
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Post by: Hulksmash
So far they've unlocked an additional 2 Troop boxes, 3 heavy weapons, and 6 heroes. That includes the first three stretch goals. Doesn't seem like enough stuff unlocked for the additional 143k seeing as the 3 heroes were only about 4k each.
Still looking like this is going to be a good one
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Post by: AlexHolker
RoninXiC wrote: AlexHolker wrote:Five hundred people obviously think otherwise, but those prices look awful to me.
15$ for 5 individually posed miniatures is awful? Really?
Yes, really. I'd be willing to pay that for supplementary troops, but without an affordable backbone I'm not going to start an army from scratch. If they unlock the injected plastics at a decent price, I'll buy those. Only then will I be in the market for anything else.
GW nowadays wants 35$ for 5 Dire Avengers!
GW can go to hell.
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Post by: Grundz
 Hulksmash wrote:So far they've unlocked an additional 2 Troop boxes, 3 heavy weapons, and 6 heroes. That includes the first three stretch goals. Doesn't seem like enough stuff unlocked for the additional 143k seeing as the 3 heroes were only about 4k each.
Still looking like this is going to be a good one
I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting to pledge up so quickly and will be updating the page later today 
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Post by: Denkstrum
 Grundz wrote:RoninXiC wrote:It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
Then thats bad presentation, I understand that weight doesn't matter for most shipping, either these are hilariously, needlessly big, the art book is massive, or you're getting soaked, as shipping is a (high) flat rate no matter what pledge, i'm guessing you're getting soaked, getting 1 mini costs the same shipping as the 995 " wtf hilarity" 100+ models package? comon dude.
It doesn't look like the KS needs me to pledge to meet goals, but with those shipping rates it doesn't make sense unless you want the art book and KS perks (I dont) or are spending so much that you dont care I'll just wait for them to be publically available and pay the 7 bucks for shipping like everything else.
You can go on the USPS web site and calculate international shipping to France... in a medium flat rate box, they are quoting me $60. International shipping is expensive, and i'm sure they are still subsidizing it to some extent.
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Post by: overtyrant
Whats the difference between spin cast plastics and injection plastics? I dont mean the methods but the attributes between each plastic.
Also $23 for shipping is fine. Most KS international backers pay more and US backers don't pay anything, at least EVERYONE is paying for P&P.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I'm going to have to mix and match. I love the Techpriest and 42, but the Jailbird nurse is too damn cool. She's very Borderlands-esque. As for troops, I'm likely going Kuragnova to go with my Valhallans.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
That's why I went with General, I want all three.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Hmmm
moaning about stretch goals, and value already started in the comments
some people......
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Post by: Hulksmash
I'm alright with the value. I'm in at the $150. As long as I can pick add-ons to that total I'll be staying there. There isn't much of a value break at the $350 level and I like picking and choosing more than than the $10 it saves me.
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Post by: Ouze
RoninXiC wrote:It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
Well, there is a middle ground between expecting "a cannonball to ship to Australia for free shipping" and "A single $10 figurine having $23 shipping". I don't have any real beef with my, fairly large, order to be at that price point of shipping, but if I only wanted a single mini, or a few minis, there is no real reason to participate at all vs just waiting for them to be available at retail.
That being said, they're not really making money off the shipping at any level - they're including tracking and insurance, which you don't get at first class postal levels. Adding on registered mail to first class mail makes it $26 to France for a 6oz package.
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Post by: Barzam
 Ouze wrote:RoninXiC wrote:It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
Well, there is a middle ground between expecting "a cannonball to ship to Australia for free shipping" and "A single $10 figurine having $23 shipping". I don't have any real beef with my, fairly large, order to be at that price point of shipping, but if I only wanted a single mini, or a few minis, there is no real reason to participate at all vs just waiting for them to be available at retail.
And that is partly the reason I'll be sitting this one out. Shame too, because the Iron Empire heavies look pretty cool.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'd be alright with 10-15 shipping for a half dozen plastic figures.
I've gotten some heavy ass comics shipped from France for nowhere near 23 dollars, and if you're familiar with French albums, they can get BIG.
When I was picking up all those Gormiti figures a few years back I used to get them pretty regularly from France. I could order five or six at a time and shipping was never more than ten or eleven dollars. Mind you that was a year or two ago, and I know prices have gone up, but we are still talking lightweight materials to be shipped.
I'd be okay if it was shipped out to me in some ugly cardboard box rather than something nice and pretty to look at if it cut down on shipping costs.
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Post by: overtyrant
Barzam wrote: Ouze wrote:RoninXiC wrote:It's not excessive... The boxes will be quite large I guess. Some people just expect everything to be shipped with no further cost :(
Well, there is a middle ground between expecting "a cannonball to ship to Australia for free shipping" and "A single $10 figurine having $23 shipping". I don't have any real beef with my, fairly large, order to be at that price point of shipping, but if I only wanted a single mini, or a few minis, there is no real reason to participate at all vs just waiting for them to be available at retail.
And that is partly the reason I'll be sitting this one out. Shame too, because the Iron Empire heavies look pretty cool.
I've also decided to sit out on some KS from the USA (mainly KD and RBG) because of the shipping. For one mini it's expensive but from Lt and upwards it's fine.
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Post by: Lansirill
It would be nice if they could come up with cheaper shipping for small orders, I agree. I was going to order a mini direct from Hi-Tech but the international shipping made me not want to bother (and it was only $10 or so.) You could always try and find someone local to you that would add your pledge onto theirs to split shipping.
I can understand them not wanting to go through contortions over a few $10-20 pledges though. It may be more trouble than it's worth. (Which, of course, is kinda crappy if you're one of the people that get ignored for that reason.)
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Post by: Breotan
overtyrant wrote:Whats the difference between spin cast plastics and injection plastics? I dont mean the methods but the attributes between each plastic.
Spin-cast resin = GW Finecast. Hopefully a better quality resin instead of plastic/resin that GW uses but is still prone to bubbles. You need a vacuum chamber to eliminate most bubbles in resin.
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Post by: overtyrant
 Breotan wrote:overtyrant wrote:Whats the difference between spin cast plastics and injection plastics? I dont mean the methods but the attributes between each plastic.
Spin-cast resin = GW Finecast. Hopefully a better quality resin instead of plastic/resin that GW uses but is still prone to bubbles. You need a vacuum chamber to eliminate most bubbles in resin.
Thanks! So if they go for spin cast I hope they've got some series QC measures put in place. Have they said where they will get it done? I hope they don't go to china.
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Post by: Breotan
overtyrant wrote: Breotan wrote:overtyrant wrote:Whats the difference between spin cast plastics and injection plastics? I dont mean the methods but the attributes between each plastic.
Spin-cast resin = GW Finecast. Hopefully a better quality resin instead of plastic/resin that GW uses but is still prone to bubbles. You need a vacuum chamber to eliminate most bubbles in resin.
Thanks! So if they go for spin cast I hope they've got some series QC measures put in place. Have they said where they will get it done? I hope they don't go to china.
I think they were expecting to do it locally in France.
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Post by: overtyrant
Also I'm not to interested in the characters (lovely though they are), I just really want troop boxes and support boxes. I hope they add an option for mostly troops and support boxes. In fact I will email them now, though not to sure if they will get it though.
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Post by: decker_cky
Pretty sure finecast = finecast, and GW keeps the secret of their horrible material close to their chest (not that anyone wants it). Spincast resin is closer to Bones or Trollcast isn't it?
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Post by: Alpharius
overtyrant wrote:Also I'm not to interested in the characters (lovely though they are), I just really want troop boxes and support boxes. I hope they add an option for mostly troops and support boxes. In fact I will email them now, though not to sure if they will get it though.
Those options exist as add-ons, so you may be better served going that route...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
decker_cky wrote:Pretty sure finecast = finecast, and GW keeps the secret of their horrible material close to their chest (not that anyone wants it). Spincast resin is closer to Bones or Trollcast isn't it?
You're right on Trollcast being a spincast resin
however Bones is NOT a spincast material, it's injection moulded just the same as GW polystyrene or PP restic
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Post by: Inquisitor Wappellious
Here is a link to a blog post I did when I started working on the Sci fi Blood Vestals:
http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2012/10/calming-my-finecast-rage-raging-heroes.html
As I have mentioned many times in my blog posts, the resin can even be painted directly... no washing or even priming!
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Post by: Grundz
Denkstrum wrote:
You can go on the USPS web site and calculate international shipping to France... in a medium flat rate box, they are quoting me $60. International shipping is expensive, and i'm sure they are still subsidizing it to some extent.
Actually I did the same, and was flabbergasted that shipping is that much higher for fance, but i've shipped to spain, germany, the UK, italy, virtually all of EU for a fraction of the price, thats idiotic. The way it's presented it just seems like they're trying to filter out lower pledges that dont make sense. It hurts that I want like, 2 models, maybe a squad of 5 too, and this is going to cost me dramatically /more/ than if I payed retail and just got it from thewarstore later.
It would be nice if thewarstore neal or someone would step up and be a distro center for this KS, so they dont have to front shipping costs as much, and I would mostdef order some stuff through thewarstore at the same time as part of the order.
I do think the value is there, at the stated prices, just the " lol X2 that price for shipping" ebay-ish trick nonsense leaves bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by: overtyrant
 Alpharius wrote:overtyrant wrote:Also I'm not to interested in the characters (lovely though they are), I just really want troop boxes and support boxes. I hope they add an option for mostly troops and support boxes. In fact I will email them now, though not to sure if they will get it though.
Those options exist as add-ons, so you may be better served going that route...
Probably, I'm having a bit of a blonde moment here. Even though I'm a KS veteran I should know this answer, I should still be eligible for the SG rewards if I pledge $305+ right?
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Post by: Alpharius
overtyrant wrote: Alpharius wrote:overtyrant wrote:Also I'm not to interested in the characters (lovely though they are), I just really want troop boxes and support boxes. I hope they add an option for mostly troops and support boxes. In fact I will email them now, though not to sure if they will get it though.
Those options exist as add-ons, so you may be better served going that route...
Probably, I'm having a bit of a blonde moment here. Even though I'm a KS veteran I should know this answer, I should still be eligible for the SG rewards if I pledge $305+ right?
I'm not so sure about that - it should be an option, but I don't think they've gone with a TOTAL X gets you Y - it looks to be tied to specific pledge levels...
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So is anyone here thinking how awesome it would be to use the Iron Empire ladies as the Enforcers in Deadzone?
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Post by: overtyrant
Alpharius wrote:overtyrant wrote: Alpharius wrote:overtyrant wrote:Also I'm not to interested in the characters (lovely though they are), I just really want troop boxes and support boxes. I hope they add an option for mostly troops and support boxes. In fact I will email them now, though not to sure if they will get it though.
Those options exist as add-ons, so you may be better served going that route...
Probably, I'm having a bit of a blonde moment here. Even though I'm a KS veteran I should know this answer, I should still be eligible for the SG rewards if I pledge $305+ right?
I'm not so sure about that - it should be an option, but I don't think they've gone with a TOTAL X gets you Y - it looks to be tied to specific pledge levels...
That's what I was thinking. Have e-mailed them with the question. Will post there reply if/when I get one. Automatically Appended Next Post:  recruittons wrote:So is anyone here thinking how awesome it would be to use the Iron Empire ladies as the Enforcers in Deadzone?
I'm getting the iron ladies and using them as standard corporation troopers as I allready own 60+ enforcers plus whatever I get from the DZ KS lol.
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overtyrant wrote:
recruittons wrote:So is anyone here thinking how awesome it would be to use the Iron Empire ladies as the Enforcers in Deadzone?
I'm getting the iron ladies and using them as standard corporation troopers as I allready own 60+ enforcers plus whatever I get from the DZ KS lol.
Brilliant! I love it
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Post by: decker_cky
Denkstrum wrote:You can go on the USPS web site and calculate international shipping to France... in a medium flat rate box, they are quoting me $60. International shipping is expensive, and i'm sure they are still subsidizing it to some extent.
Worth noting that companies that ship significant amounts (and a Kickstarter that looks like it will end well over $1M definitely qualifies) can generally get pretty significant discounts on their shipping. I worked for a company that didn't even ship that much, but because of a corporate discount with Fedex, we saved roughly 30%.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
What I love most in this  Is how well it catches its inspiration 
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Post by: Alpharius
I guess they didn't plan for this much success but...
...I want more updates, please!
Heralds, get on this!!!
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Post by: Inquisitor Wappellious
I have been posting as much Raging Heroes stuff as I can ! I will be posting some of the Sci-fi blood vestals. Actually, at least one of them is in their opening video!
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Post by: decker_cky
From the front page.
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Post by: Lansirill
You know, that's the kind of thing that really ought to be put into an update. Along with all the stealth unlocks they've been posting. C'mon guys.
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Post by: BrookM
I'd say give them a moment or two to catch up and do "damage control"
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Post by: decker_cky
I think they even stopped unlocking stuff pretty quickly. For being an update for being 15 times the target, I think a more substantial stretch would be appropriate, so hopefully when they catch up, they can do a mega update saying everything that's gotten unlocked, and adding a nice freebie stretch.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
I would rather see an update with what it has been unlocked so far and at what point.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Lansirill wrote:You know, that's the kind of thing that really ought to be put into an update. Along with all the stealth unlocks they've been posting. C'mon guys.
They've done 1/5 of a million dollars worth of business in four hours. They might be a bit busy.
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Post by: skarsol
Busy doing what? For all the time they spent they should have this KS planned out to $10million. There's nothing to "do" till it completes and they get the money other than to maybe tell the sculpturs "Yup, you guys are gonna need to get on it."
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Post by: Alpharius
 Valhallan42nd wrote: Lansirill wrote:You know, that's the kind of thing that really ought to be put into an update. Along with all the stealth unlocks they've been posting. C'mon guys.
They've done 1/5 of a million dollars worth of business in four hours. They might be a bit busy.
Doing what?
For how long this one was delayed, they should be 'ready'.
Even if they didn't think they'd get here for a few more days, they're there now!
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Alpharius wrote: Valhallan42nd wrote: Lansirill wrote:You know, that's the kind of thing that really ought to be put into an update. Along with all the stealth unlocks they've been posting. C'mon guys.
They've done 1/5 of a million dollars worth of business in four hours. They might be a bit busy.
Doing what?
For how long this one was delayed, they should be 'ready'.
Even if they didn't think they'd get here for a few more days, they're there now!
Perhaps having meetings figuring out what other stretch goals they want to have. Perhaps picking their collective jaws off the floor?
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Post by: Lansirill
I get that they may not have pretty graphics ready for everything. That's absolutely fine. I also would completely understand being in a bit of shock after seeing this thing explode and not wanting to say anything they'd regret out of excitement. It's been 4 hours though, the initial 'Holy sweet god' has hopefully dulled a little bit... they should be able to function.
And, they *have* been functioning. They've been editing and adding pledge levels, and they've been updating the main page. Is it really that much more work to send out an update than it is to edit the main page though? I hope that they start running a bit tighter ship before too long, and I have every expectation that they will, but boy they're not instilling much confidence in me right now.
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Post by: skarsol
So then they were totally unprepared for success? That's not promising.
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Post by: Krinsath
skarsol wrote:So then they were totally unprepared for success? That's not promising.
But it does confirm that it is indeed RH doing it and not an impostor....
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Post by: Hulksmash
My only concern is that they aren't opening up nearly as many of the models as they probably should have for being nearly at 200k. Honestly, this should have opened every single hero and probably the other items they have up. At least based on their initial numbers.
I mean there were only 27 blacked out silouettes to start. That's only around 117k for all of them based on the first three stretch goals. So maybe all but 2-3 of them with the updates they've done on the heavies and suport weapons?
I'm really hoping they aren't going to start "stretching" after the initial rush. Instead of following what they likely had originally planned.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Unprepared for the confusion the initial pledges had, the mess of the additional wrong earlybirds did, the thing getting out of control and probably how kickstarter works from what I have heard it does not allow certain things to be edited, either after some time or at all and of course the swarm of messages that were asking for many things.
Should they have been prepared for it, I do not know I am willing to let them go on this one, its an experience I have not witnessed from the other side but seems to be a bit difficult, I am patiently waiting for a collective update to be posted.
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Post by: spears
Before i go trawling through the 50 pages of forum traffic on this, does anyone know if there were any pics of the minis next to fw krieg guardsmen?
I saw a couple of them towering over a marine which is a bit of a turn off.
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Post by: Lansirill
The artillery crews and heavy infantry are probably larger stretch goals than the individual heroines just because they involve more miniatures. Someone in the KS estimated (using $5k per heroine and $15-20k per artillery/heavy) that there are roughly $60,000 of stretch goals left unaccounted for (although the upgrades need to be counted in that $60k as well.) It *seems* like the stretch goals aren't being padded excessively, but who knows.
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Post by: Inquisitor Wappellious
You can prepare as much as possible, but training to land on an aircraft carrier and then doing it for the first time are somewhat different. It takes a lot of extra time to deal with the very clumsy interface that is KS. The way they make you do your text, add images, etc., is very tough. It is very easy to make a small mistake  Also, once things get going, and you add stuff, the interface is even harder to use! 
I wish it had improved, but it remains pretty much the same...
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
And so it begins, only really wanted the necropiestess but ended up pledging for lieutenant. Whoops!
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
I have no issues in general, but I was surprised with the system they had in place, that they only had the three stretches listed. You would have thought they would have had everything blanked out listed as stretches ready to go.
Just have the same blanked out art or question mark in the stretch goal holder.
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Post by: overtyrant
Just got a confirmation that they will be adding my idea as a pledge lvl, just waiting to hear from them about if the freebies would be added to it as is tge captain lvl onwards.
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Post by: Kroothawk
skarsol wrote:So then they were totally unprepared for success? That's not promising.
They worked several months nonstop on this project. Now give them a few hours to celebrate the success and get sober again. Sheesh!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
KS limits the number (& size of images) and amount of text on the main page which is why some of the other big projects have had issues
(and I've no direct evidence of this but I suspect this is not clear until something fails to load up proppely)
I suspect part of the problem may be they have hit that already with their image heavy start so everything will need to be re-edited, they'll need to decide what images to keep & what to drop etc
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Ah, yeah that might explain that the other project I am thinking of had like a A4 pic/table that had a rundown of about thirty stretches.
They went for a pretty looking front page and it crashed. Seems odd considering the amount of money this site must be making Kickstarter for basically just being a host.. they can't upgrade/sort that kind of issue.
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Post by: Cyporiean
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:KS limits the number (& size of images) and amount of text on the main page which is why some of the other big projects have had issues
(and I've no direct evidence of this but I suspect this is not clear until something fails to load up proppely)
I suspect part of the problem may be they have hit that already with their image heavy start so everything will need to be re-edited, they'll need to decide what images to keep & what to drop etc
Yeah, you can only get like 8~10 images on the front page before it starts breaking.. and the 'page editor' that Kickstarter has is awful. Less formatting options then Dakka's code allows.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
some commander & lieutenant early birds are now around if anybody wants to save a few $
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Post by: WolfStark
They did not really stop unlocking things, there is much unlocked already and there is coming much as far as I can see. But 200k on day 1, I think it is okay to not think it would be such a blast. Just give them time for an appropriate update.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
On a side note, this is the first time I've taken an early bird type pledge, if I want to add more funds to it, for whatever reason, it doesn't compromise my pledge as I'm updating the info etc at amazon?
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
Any ideas what kind of weapon options might be in troop boxes? These are almost too gorgeous to think about chopping up and concerting....
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:On a side note, this is the first time I've taken an early bird type pledge, if I want to add more funds to it, for whatever reason, it doesn't compromise my pledge as I'm updating the info etc at amazon?
Not if you just add things. Sometimes you want to change your pledge to another level, then the early bird bonus is gone of course.
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Post by: BrookM
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:On a side note, this is the first time I've taken an early bird type pledge, if I want to add more funds to it, for whatever reason, it doesn't compromise my pledge as I'm updating the info etc at amazon?
You can add things and pay for that post campaign with Paypal. From a message I got when I asked about adding things to my $40 pledge:
Hi Melvin,
We will indeed have a paypal option for after the kickstarter, you will then be able to up your pledge for some extra mini.
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain,
RAGING HEROES TEAM
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Cheers folks... forgot to add P&P.
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Post by: BrookM
Oh yeah, I'm not used to a campaign not auto-adding the postage.
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Post by: Hulksmash
20k for the Tech Priesty chick (i.e. 200k Stretch Goal) just completed/was put up...They already went from $4,333 average per model to 20k for this one.....
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Post by: BrookM
 BrookM wrote: Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:On a side note, this is the first time I've taken an early bird type pledge, if I want to add more funds to it, for whatever reason, it doesn't compromise my pledge as I'm updating the info etc at amazon?
You can add things and pay for that post campaign with Paypal. From a message I got when I asked about adding things to my $40 pledge:
Hi Melvin,
We will indeed have a paypal option for after the kickstarter, you will then be able to up your pledge for some extra mini.
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain,
RAGING HEROES TEAM
Just now got this message:
Hi again Melvin,
I realised I made a mistake in the way I formulated my sentence.
The paypal option will be available after the kickstarter indeed BUT it will be available in a few days DURING the kickstarter for those whishing to use paypal as a payment option.
I'm sorry for the confusion this may causen please let me know if something is not clear .
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain
RAGING HEROES TEAM
I don't think I see a problem there, but worth reporting I guess.
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Post by: cincydooley
Kroothawk wrote:skarsol wrote:So then they were totally unprepared for success? That's not promising.
They worked several months nonstop on this project. Now give them a few hours to celebrate the success and get sober again. Sheesh!
If the 'worked for several months nonstop on this project" then they should have all of this stuff ready to go.
For the amount of traffic they got on here, and for how generally well received their product is in the miniature community at large, I think this is a poor excuse.
Maybe I'm way off or haven't seen enough examples, but the disorganized beginning to a project seems endemic to the romance language countries in Europe...
Regardless, I'm excited to see more, but I wish they'd been more prepared with updating the project.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Wow I wondered over to see if its started and just wow!!!
sooo I remember people on another thread going on about people not wanting female minis
now got work through all the info on the page - its a little intimidating!
Several models are must haves - the Silent Hill nurse and Arushka
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Post by: Breotan
It's funny how nobody is biting on the "webinar" pledges.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yikes - so did I!
Hulksmash wrote:20k for the Tech Priesty chick (i.e. 200k Stretch Goal) just completed/was put up...They already went from $4,333 average per model to 20k for this one.....
Huh?
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Post by: Breotan
It's around 2/3 of the Kings of War KS in only a few hours.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 cincydooley wrote: Kroothawk wrote:skarsol wrote:So then they were totally unprepared for success? That's not promising.
They worked several months nonstop on this project. Now give them a few hours to celebrate the success and get sober again. Sheesh!
If the 'worked for several months nonstop on this project" then they should have all of this stuff ready to go.
For the amount of traffic they got on here, and for how generally well received their product is in the miniature community at large, I think this is a poor excuse.
Maybe I'm way off or haven't seen enough examples, but the disorganized beginning to a project seems endemic to the romance language countries in Europe...
Regardless, I'm excited to see more, but I wish they'd been more prepared with updating the project.
They probably had all stretch goals for 25,000$, 30,000$, 35,000$ up to 100,000$ ready.
Guess they are currently reorganising the strech goals, so that they remain stretch goals boosting the campaign. No need to boost it more in the next few hours, I guess
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Post by: Alpharius
5 hours and $200K in and just that one rather anemic update...
Heralds!
Where are the Heralds?!?
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Post by: Hulksmash
Alpharius wrote: Yikes - so did I! Hulksmash wrote:20k for the Tech Priesty chick (i.e. 200k Stretch Goal) just completed/was put up...They already went from $4,333 average per model to 20k for this one.....
Huh?
The first three stretch goals were $13,000 for 3 models. Or $4,333.33 per model to tool for being available. We dont' know what they were valuing the other 3 characters, 2 command units, or 3 artillery at but the 180k goal for the "gubbins" was the last Stretch. Since they haven't unlocked anything else since then and added this as the stretch at 200k it says they want 20k for this model. Over quadrupling the price to tool a character they were using earlier. It's a little dissapointing. What if we had pledged slower. Would we have gotten more models for our dollars?
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Post by: JWMarines
Man Kickstarter needs an accordion collapse mechanism for these things... scroll scroll scroll... oo forgot what my pledge is, scroll scroll scroll...
Anyway, time to bump in 20 for the tech priestess. Pretty sure I'm leaning Kurganova, but that model is too good to miss.
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Post by: Alpharius
Hulksmash wrote: Alpharius wrote:
Yikes - so did I!
Hulksmash wrote:20k for the Tech Priesty chick (i.e. 200k Stretch Goal) just completed/was put up...They already went from $4,333 average per model to 20k for this one.....
Huh?
The first three stretch goals were $13,000 for 3 models. Or $4,333.33 per model to tool for being available. We dont' know what they were valuing the other 3 characters, 2 command units, or 3 artillery at but the 180k goal for the "gubbins" was the last Stretch. Since they haven't unlocked anything else since then and added this as the stretch at 200k it says they want 20k for this model. Over quadrupling the price to tool a character they were using earlier.
It's a little dissapointing. What if we had pledged slower. Would we have gotten more models for our dollars?
Ah, gotcha now - sorry about that!
This one is running a bit... strangely now...
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Post by: Breotan
Hulksmash wrote:The first three stretch goals were $13,000 for 3 models. Or $4,333.33 per model to tool for being available. We dont' know what they were valuing the other 3 characters, 2 command units, or 3 artillery at but the 180k goal for the "gubbins" was the last Stretch. Since they haven't unlocked anything else since then and added this as the stretch at 200k it says they want 20k for this model. Over quadrupling the price to tool a character they were using earlier.
Well, to be fair, it does appear to have a lot more parts to it.
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Post by: CURNOW
guys just look at it this way ..with inflation riseing like it is by the time we actually get any of these models (im guessing 2016?) that $23 p+p may actually be cheap lol
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Hurray the mini that got me to pledge is unlocked, everything is proceeding exactly as planned *makes finger pyramid of evil contemplation*
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Post by: BrookM
I think that when the next update will hit, it'll be a massive one detailing everything that has been unlocked so far. Would be handy to say the least.
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Post by: Hulksmash
@Breotan
I don't think I'd have a problem with it if they'd opened more of the normal "heroes" as part of the run to 180k. But without that it seems like 4x the original asking price for something that might actually cost 2x as much.
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Post by: Breotan
I think people need to relax a little and let them figure out what they're doing. I know they expected success but I doubt they expected 200k in five hours. I also don't think they anticipated having to babysit the comments tab all day long, either.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:I think that when the next update will hit, it'll be a massive one detailing everything that has been unlocked so far. Would be handy to say the least.
That's a good idea - fire up the Herald Signal and make it happen!
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Post by: Kroothawk
 CURNOW wrote:guys just look at it this way ..with inflation riseing like it is by the time we actually get any of these models (im guessing 2016?) that $23 p+p may actually be cheap lol
You posted in the wrong thread, The Avatars of War thread is over there
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Post by: BrookM
Who's a herald again? 
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Post by: Breotan
Hulksmash wrote:@Breotan - I don't think I'd have a problem with it if they'd opened more of the normal "heroes" as part of the run to 180k. But without that it seems like 4x the original asking price for something that might actually cost 2x as much.
They're charging $20 for it. Who cares what stretch goal it comes in at if at the end of the KS we get everything we would have gotten anyway?
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Post by: Hulksmash
@Breotan
If you can't honestly see why it would be an issue for some people to just basically cut 100k out of the funding toward stretches and inflate the amount of the creation of new models I don't know what to tell you man.
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Post by: grefven
They should make a stretch goal to have all figures made in resin as an option. That'd make me pledge a little bit more. :p
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Post by: Kroothawk
Those worthy of course
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Post by: Raging-Heroes
Hello ALL!
What a ride! I have not had a chance to read the past 13 pages yet (but I will).
We're cranking out new images, answering comments, taking phone calls... It's insane!
I'll just try to answer a few quick recurring questions:
→ We are preparing a new image to more clearly show what's already been unlocked (we started out with 19 minis or boxes).
Necro Priestess Nepharya was the latest one, at $200,000.
We'll upload a new stretch goal in a few moments, for $225,000.
→ We've also unlocked a list of free upgrades that apply to all pledge levels.
→ No freebies ulocked so far, but they will be coming.
And for example, you can expect alternate version of Charlie, the Kurganovas' war bulldog (original one shown here).
→ What's the difference between free minis within a pledge, and freebies?
Free minis are the additional minis that are included in pledge levels CAPTAIN BOX and up.
Freebies will be unlocked extras that will be added for free to all pledges from the LIEUTENANT BOX level.
I would put that in the FAQ, except that the FAQ button has disappeared from the Kickstarter page... and their Help box is currently not working either, so I can't ask them to fix it...
→ Will there be a Paypal option? Yes, in a few days, we haven't had a chance to set it up yet.
More soon...
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Post by: keltikhoa
well crap. Hulksmash is right. their SG are getting much wider. which means the mecha SG is likely to be 2 mil
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Post by: JWMarines
Breotan wrote:I think people need to relax a little and let them figure out what they're doing. I know they expected success but I doubt they expected 200k in five hours. I also don't think they anticipated having to babysit the comments tab all day long, either.
This.
And it's day 1.
Also day 109 (since feb 15).
But still day 1 of launch. All launches have fun quirks.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Youch, just added up the totals and there is a bit of a hole for the heroes based on the pledge.
Troops and Support are covered easily, Support, just thanks to freebies, and troops I have a large excess of $200 to figure out what to do with plus the three free ones.
However heroes I have $200 for, and the total number of heroes currently come to $440, assuming the $15 jet lass if free as it seems to indicate.
If I want them all, going to have a stretch the funds a little further it seems.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm still confused at what levels get the additional FREE MINIATURES vs. the FREEBIES.
I would hope that the COMMANDER $230 level includes the FREE MINIATURES that are unlocked, because otherwise the 'sweet spot' for this one is the $345 level?!?
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Post by: Mr Morden
Must admit I finding it all a bit confusing compared to the other Kickstarters I have backed :(
I get that they are way better than they hoped but what are the stretch Goals, freebies etc - I can't see them on the page apart from one at 180,000?
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Post by: JWMarines
I'm still confused at what levels get the additional FREE MINIATURES vs. the FREEBIES.
I would hope that the COMMANDER $230 level includes the FREE MINIATURES that are unlocked, because otherwise the 'sweet spot' for this one is the $345 level?!?
couple posts up while you were typing, probably
→ What's the difference between free minis within a pledge, and freebies?
Free minis are the additional minis that are included in pledge levels CAPTAIN BOX and up.
Freebies will be unlocked extras that will be added for free to all pledges from the LIEUTENANT BOX level.
I would put that in the FAQ, except that the FAQ button has disappeared from the Kickstarter page... and their Help box is currently not working either, so I can't ask them to fix it...
Sounds like LT and Cmdr don't get free minis. Which does make the sweet spot the 350 area. Not as nice as the Bones sweet spot of $100 to be sure, but I've already dropped more on this than on that, and there's just been one addon I had to have so far... It's gonna get spendy.
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Post by: cincydooley
Breotan wrote:I think people need to relax a little and let them figure out what they're doing. I know they expected success but I doubt they expected 200k in five hours. I also don't think they anticipated having to babysit the comments tab all day long, either.
Again, at the risk of sounding like TFG, how could they not. Seriously.... look at any of a number of KS projects with cool looking miniatures and you can get a decent amount of insight on what to expect.
Honestly, I think the best idea for projects like this, from small publishers, is to be transparent. Have the statment ready for your first post, that says something along the lines of:
"Thanks for helping us fun XXXX project. At this point, we have stretch goals ready though XXXX Dollars. If the project extends past our initial projections on our first day, we will work diligently to update with new stretch goals tomorrow (or the next day, whatever)."
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Post by: Breotan
Guess we know who'll be selling blood tonight.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
I wonder why the heavy troopers command is unlocked, but not the heavy troopers, I would expect it the other way around.
In any case a troops choice should be costier to unlock than a single hero, it is after all a bigger tooling investment.
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Post by: Alpharius
$350 as the "Sweet Spot" is...not nice.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Alpharius wrote:I'm still confused at what levels get the additional FREE MINIATURES vs. the FREEBIES.
I would hope that the COMMANDER $230 level includes the FREE MINIATURES that are unlocked, because otherwise the 'sweet spot' for this one is the $345 level?!?
At the moment it is just 2 discount levels. On LIEUTENANT you get less heroes for free than on Captain level. All can be added for the 10$ or so, if you want them.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Heh, at least now I have an idea on how much I need to pen in for the Dark Elves one. Automatically Appended Next Post: Didn't the Kingdom Death one need quite a large footprint as well?
That's the closest kickstarter I can think of for a comparable range.
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Post by: WolfStark
Alpharius wrote:5 hours and $200K in and just that one rather anemic update...
Heralds!
Where are the Heralds?!?
Honestly? Tiredly looking at thousands pages at once.^^ From RH we got the meessage, they started with 19 items and unlocked are 8 and than there was already an update but without making and update. Until now we're all waiting for news but after that blast, I can imagine that it's a little hard to make it so fast, since people are asking questions privately (as Brook did) and just look, it's nearly 850 backers. We're still on day 1 so a bit of patience is needed.
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Post by: keltikhoa
From what I can tell the free mini is you get to pick extras depending on what lvl pledge.
Commander +1 Free Heroin
Captain +2 Free Heroin
Major +1 free support box +1 Free Troop box
General +3 free support box +3 free troop box
the FREEBIES are extra gubbins
extra weapon for "model x"
extra weapon for "model y"
extra head for "model z"
I could be completely wrong but that is the way I interpreted it
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Post by: Absolutionis
I agree. I had enough trouble justifying $300 for Herald of Death on Kingdom Death, and that eventually became one of the "sweet spots" even though the main one was the $100 tier (which was also discounted on Black Friday).
$350 on Raging Heroes is a bit high.
That being said, I won't be participating in this Kickstarter, but I wish them all the best. When the minis come out, I may pick-and-choose what I like best at full retail (or online discounted).
No doubt this Kickstarter will be a success. It's already hit $200k in the period of a few hours, and already has over a month to go. It'll far overshoot the $400k-$500k soft target for most major miniatures Kickstarters to be considered a success. I look forward to buying it when it is available for non-bulk buys.
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Post by: Kroothawk
keltikhoa wrote:From what I can tell the free mini is you get to pick extras depending on what lvl pledge.
Commander +1 Free Heroin
Captain +2 Free Heroin
Major +1 free support box +1 Free Troop box
General +3 free support box +3 free troop box
the FREEBIES are extra gubbins
extra weapon for "model x"
extra weapon for "model y"
extra head for "model z"
I could be completely wrong but that is the way I interpreted it
It's free Heroin E, not free heroin. Big difference
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
keltikhoa wrote:From what I can tell the free mini is you get to pick extras depending on what lvl pledge.
Commander +1 Free Heroin
Captain +2 Free Heroin
Major +1 free support box +1 Free Troop box
General +3 free support box +3 free troop box
the FREEBIES are extra gubbins
extra weapon for "model x"
extra weapon for "model y"
extra head for "model z"
I could be completely wrong but that is the way I interpreted it
This is exactly how I interpreted it.
I asked in email why you are forced into X troops and X support instead of just X boxes, he said some boxes will got more then the standard 15$
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Post by: JWMarines
Kroothawk wrote: keltikhoa wrote:From what I can tell the free mini is you get to pick extras depending on what lvl pledge.
Commander +1 Free Heroin
Captain +2 Free Heroin
Major +1 free support box +1 Free Troop box
General +3 free support box +3 free troop box
the FREEBIES are extra gubbins
extra weapon for "model x"
extra weapon for "model y"
extra head for "model z"
I could be completely wrong but that is the way I interpreted it
It's free Heroin E, not free heroin. Big difference
HAHA customs would have a field day.
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Post by: keltikhoa
lol oops...
so THATS why the shipping is so high... gotta pay to traffic it
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Post by: Mr Morden
I think that I will have anotherlook at it all in the morning when they have had a chance to absorb the good things and put the full info up
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Post by: pretre
And that made my decision for me. :(
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Post by: Ouze
I'm not sure that is the sweet spot. It depends how you slice it.
If you're in at the $230 spot, you get 6 heroines, 6 troops, 6 support, and the KS exclusive.
If you're in at the $350 mark, you get 10 heroines, 10 troops, 8 support, and the KS exclusive.
In other words, 45% more cash gets you 65% more heroines & troops and 33% more support. IMO, that's kind of a wash. If you can add on additional heroines for the $15/each mark, which presumably they will allow you to do at some point, then the question becomes how many troops do you need vs just tacking on a few more heroines and calling it a day?
In any event, I don't think the $350 level offers a disproportionately better deal then $230.
As for myself, I'm in at $230 but waiting to see how it develops. Kinda weird no freebies have yet been unlocked despite being at well over 1700% of goal, but we'll see.
Truthfully I think they're in a whole other dangerous area now. I've seen a lot of Kickstarters that have actually become victims of their own success because it scaled so much further than the every could have imagined. They have said they've spoken with plastic injection people, and at this point that seems like a pretty reasonable direction to head in, yes? Dreamforge was able to do plastic injection at $205,000..... Which leads to a whole new area of trial, error, and so on.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The have added free stuff
just not free minis (yet)
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Don't forget Captain up gets the freebies which commander does not.
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Post by: WolfStark
@Ouze
Well, there is something unlocked in terms of freebies.
EDIT: Okay they're calling it just free upgrade, freebies are not unlocked until now, so you're not wrong^^
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Post by: Kroothawk
It all depends on whether you want everything for 1, 2 or 3 armies. Personally, my sweet spot is the painter box level, as I won't start an IG army and just want some nice characters and the odd bike or mecha for painting.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Yeah, I'm just a bit of a odd un with three guard armies, that can happily use all three girl army types and has had this obsession of having a nigh on 50-50 gender split force for years.
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Post by: Hulksmash
For the love of....
The CAPTAIN level and above contains FREE MINI'S. Those FREE MINI's are dependent on the level (i.e. 2 Heroes, or Additional Troop and Support). Basically to give a slightly better deal. They are otherwise no different at this time from the other levels. And all add-on freebies have been stated as for all levels. Meaning there should be no difference at the end of the campaign between LIEUTENANT and CAPTAIN except for those two "FREE MINI's".
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Post by: JWMarines
keltikhoa wrote:From what I can tell the free mini is you get to pick extras depending on what lvl pledge.
Commander +1 Free Heroin
Captain +2 Free Heroin
Major +1 free support box +1 Free Troop box
General +3 free support box +3 free troop box
the FREEBIES are extra gubbins
extra weapon for "model x"
extra weapon for "model y"
extra head for "model z"
I could be completely wrong but that is the way I interpreted it
Unless they're going to add additional free minis to Captain+ it looks like LT is the sweet spot for the 'freebies' or just the additional sprues of options. I think I was wrong and you guys have it right. Though, looking at it the way you interpreted it, it doesn't really have a "sweet spot", more just a "how much crap do you want" spot. But the way I'm seeing it now here and on the comments on the KS page, it's looking like the "free minis" are already in the pledge levels.
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Post by: Ouze
For the love of god, stop quoting that guy's post before US Customs seizes all of the minis.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Hulksmash wrote:For the love of....
The CAPTAIN level and above contains FREE MINI'S. Those FREE MINI's are dependent on the level (i.e. 2 Heroes, or Additional Troop and Support). Basically to give a slightly better deal. They are otherwise no different at this time from the other levels. And all add-on freebies have been stated as for all levels. Meaning there should be no difference at the end of the campaign between LIEUTENANT and CAPTAIN except for those two "FREE MINI's".
Ok "Gift minis" happy now?
DEALS!
For this Kickstarter, the base price of these miniatures has been DRASTICALLY REDUCED, from 17 to 40% off right off the bat.
And that's BEFORE the stretch goals, the freebies, the free upgrades, and the gift minis included in all pledges from CAPTAIN BOX and above...
GIFT MINIS!
Like an extra good deal? CAPTAIN BOX levels and above all include additional FREE minis! This is not the same as the FREEBIES, which you will be unlocking further down the road, and that will be added to all Pledge Levels at LIEUTENANT BOX and higher.
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Post by: Hulksmash
You could already say that "Gifts" are the extra mini's as a thank you for pledging so high. Still pretty clear as it stands. It's people reading to much into basic language that's causing the issue.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Maybe, or maybe they are extra minis on top of others, its plural after all not singular.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Show me where Captain currently only gets a single extra model (hint, it gets two, which is plural).
About the actual figures:
I'm excited for the tech priesty chick. She looks awesome. My hope is that she isn't pure metal, putting her together looks like it could be worse than a GW metal Bloodthirster with all thos tendrils....
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
No gift miniatures have been unlocked yet IIRC.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
Ouze wrote:
Truthfully I think they're in a whole other dangerous area now. I've seen a lot of Kickstarters that have actually become victims of their own success because it scaled so much further than the every could have imagined. They have said they've spoken with plastic injection people, and at this point that seems like a pretty reasonable direction to head in, yes? Dreamforge was able to do plastic injection at $205,000..... Which leads to a whole new area of trial, error, and so on.
I think this is the truth of it. The initial stretch goals that we annihilated showed their conservative roadmap. Now what? Go back and unlock their previous planned SGs, despite the fact that it would have zero net effect on pledges, which is what SGs are for. Or spread them out from here on, which may off put some.
I think they could a unlocked a few more then the did for our our vault to 200k. Not the the whole bag, mind you. But more then just the smattering of heavy troopers.
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Post by: Kroothawk
My favorites are Doctor von X, the Mad Nurse, the Lulus and the Iron Empire bikers.
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Post by: Breotan
Hulksmash wrote:Show me where Captain currently only gets a single extra model (hint, it gets two, which is plural).
Captain gets "+ 2 Additional Heroines (or $20 worth of Heroines)"
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Post by: Saxon
The tech priest is the only model that I am remotely interested in... but the high postage cost means I will wait until 2016 to get it!
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Post by: Symbio Joe
So is a seperate paypal money pool considered?
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I'm starting to think they should have hid the shipping costs in the price. I can see this add shipping thing getting confusing and troublesome
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Post by: Minx
 Raging-Heroes wrote:Hello ALL!
What a ride! I have not had a chance to read the past 13 pages yet (but I will).
We're cranking out new images, answering comments, taking phone calls... It's insane!
Congratulations on a very spectacular start. Can't wait to see what else you've got in store for us.
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Post by: Breotan
So far, the math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money. Captain is the first pledge level where the money pledged is less than the initial value of items received.
Here's the initial breakdown (ignoring the KS exclusive since they all get one):
Lieutenant $165
$30 Heroines
$60 Troops
$60 Support
Initial value: $165 cash for $150 worth of figures.
Commander $245
$50 Heroines
$90 Troops
$90 Support
x1 Heroine ($10 value)
Initial value: $245 cash for $240 worth of figures.
Captain $365
$80 Heroines
$150 Troops
$130 Support
2x Heroines ($20 value)
Initial value: $365 cash for $380 worth of figures.
Take away the free Heroines and even Captain is $5 less value than the pledge level. Gotta say, as much as I want to see this succeed, I'd rather not pay MORE for my figures than the total value. I'm a little disappointed but will hold off joining the hatewagon until I see how the extras/add-ons change things.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Interesting. This has about 400 less backers but is about 50k higher than Deadzone's day one.
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Post by: overtyrant
Now everyting has calmed down a tad I just realized we're over 200k into this and no free 'minis' have been added yet. Will have to keep an eye on this as I dont get on to well with KS that only have add-ons for SG.
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Post by: pretre
Stretch Goal
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's amazing watching you guys - especially you Alpha - complain about every little thing. Shipping is too much (it's 20 bucks - deal with it). They're not updating fast enough (they just made over $200k in the first few hours - give them a second to catch up). The 'sweet spot' is too much (so you're trying to buy three armies at once?).
I mean really...
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Post by: pretre
 H.B.M.C. wrote:It's amazing watching you guys complain about every little thing.
There is nothing I can say in response to this quote that makes it any more perfect.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
For value you've got to add in the KS exclusive figure so
Lieutenant $165
$30 Heroines
$60 Troops
$60 Support
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl
Initial value: $165 cash for $165 worth of figures.
Commander $245
$50 Heroines
$90 Troops
$90 Support
x1 Heroine ($10 value)
$15 KS Exclusive rocket Girl
Initial value: $245 cash for $255 worth of figures.
Captain $365
$80 Heroines
$150 Troops
$130 Support
2x Heroines ($20 value)
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl
Initial value: $365 cash for $395 worth of figures
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Post by: Breotan
 pretre wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:It's amazing watching you guys complain about every little thing.
There is nothing I can say in response to this quote that makes it any more perfect.
Don't be silly. I'm pretty sure there's something we haven't complained about yet. Besides, if we weren't complaining, this wouldn't be Dakka, would it?
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
H.B.M.C. wrote:It's amazing watching you guys - especially you Alpha - complain about every little thing. Shipping is too much (it's 20 bucks - deal with it). They're not updating fast enough (they just made over $200k in the first few hours - give them a second to catch up). The 'sweet spot' is too much (so you're trying to buy three armies at once?).
I mean really...
I agree with HBMC on this one. It was barely a few hours in, and already people making broad assumptions and decrying this or that.
Day one isn't even over yet, for the Warps sake, it hasn't even been 10hrs yet.
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Post by: Ouze
Breotan wrote:So far, the math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money. Captain is the first pledge level where the money pledged is less than the initial value of items received.
(snip math)
Take away the free Heroines and even Captain is $5 less value than the pledge level. Gotta say, as much as I want to see this succeed, I'd rather not pay MORE for my figures than the total value.
but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ouze wrote:but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.
Because Kickstarters have a habit of bringing out the stupid in most Dakkanauts. Automatically Appended Next Post: pretre wrote:There is nothing I can say in response to this quote that makes it any more perfect.
Maybe if I complained about everything it would be, but I don't, so bite me.
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Post by: keltikhoa
Breotan wrote:So far, the math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money. Captain is the first pledge level where the money pledged is less than the initial value of items received.
Here's the initial breakdown (ignoring the KS exclusive since they all get one):
SNIPPED MATH
Initial value: $365 cash for $380 worth of figures.
Take away the free Heroines and even Captain is $5 less value than the pledge level. Gotta say, as much as I want to see this succeed, I'd rather not pay MORE for my figures than the total value. I'm a little disappointed but will hold off joining the hatewagon until I see how the extras/add-ons change things.
You are forgetting that the pledge value is less than the estimated retail.
Those $10 pledge heroines are estimated retail of 16.50 and the $15 ones are $18
SO
Lieutenant
Heroine $30 pledge value - $36-$49.50 retail (depending on which you choose)
Troop $60 Pledge value- $70.50-$80 retail
Support $60 pledge value - $70- $80 retail
Total $150 Pledge Value - $165 actual pledge (not including EB) - Retail Value $176.50 - $209.50
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I think Breotans point fails to take into account one fact,
They aren't discounting you by pledge levels. They discounted the units and heroines for the entire KS. I'd like to see your math hammer using not the KS price, but comparing the pledge level cost to what you are getting by its MSRP.
Edit keltikhoa did my math for me before allowing me to ask.
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Post by: Azazelx
Um.. I was going to post this last night, but I went to bed instead. I'm sure someone has already beaten me to it, as I'm posting as I'm catching up on the thread, but just in case..
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Post by: WolfStark
RH said a page earlier:
→ Will there be a Paypal option? Yes, in a few days, we haven't had a chance to set it up yet.
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Post by: Ouze
While some of the complaints are a little out there, I strongly suspect at the root of some of them is the fact that some people expected (for whatever reason) to find a nice, good looking yet inexpensive GW alternative army (a'la Mantic or Reaper Bones) and are a little dismayed to find out that, in fact, the best values for the dollar don't appear to kick in until you start hitting Warhound levels of cash.
(Also, I think all hobby related projects should measure money in units of Warhounds. But I digress).
So I could see why people might feel a little bitter by that, although I don't think RH has ever positioned themselves as a lower cost alternative. And indeed, you may want to wait and just get them retail, especially if you just want a few and the shipping is a deal-killer. Nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make it a bad project.
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Also, nice call on the Enema of the State album cover. I always liked that art.
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Post by: Azazelx
Hulksmash wrote:
I'm really hoping they aren't going to start "stretching" after the initial rush. Instead of following what they likely had originally planned.
That's clearly the case. As with many other campaigns, "stretch goals" often have little to do with how much it will cost to make something. With the amount of success this one has had, they're obviously changing tacks...
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Post by: Kroothawk
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:For value you've got to add in the KS exclusive figure so
Lieutenant $165
$30 Heroines
$60 Troops
$60 Support
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl
Initial value: $165 cash for $165 worth of figures.
Commander $245
$50 Heroines
$90 Troops
$90 Support
x1 Heroine ($10 value)
$15 KS Exclusive rocket Girl
Initial value: $245 cash for $255 worth of figures.
Captain $365
$80 Heroines
$150 Troops
$130 Support
2x Heroines ($20 value)
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl
Initial value: $365 cash for $395 worth of figures
This calculation is flawed, as it takes kickstarter discount prices for retail prices.
Example:
Lieutenant $165
$30 Heroines -> 49.50$ retail
$60 Troops -> 80$ retail
$60 Support -> 86$ retail
$15 KS Exclusive Rocket Girl -> worth 18 $ retail
Initial value: $165 cash for $233.50 worth of figures. And this is just with 1st day discounts and free stuff.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, I just want lots of female mini's and damn the cost. Although it seems the general level is pretty good on those stakes as well.
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Post by: overtyrant
I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?
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Post by: Kroothawk
overtyrant wrote:I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?
Maybe office closes at midnight
BTW, would be nice to add this handy graphic to the first post, as it is updated automatically:
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Post by: overtyrant
Kroothawk wrote:overtyrant wrote:I'll be using mine for Warpath fully knowing that it is going to be more expensive, it's just its gone past 200k and no sine of any free miniatures, yet?
Maybe office closes at midnight
BTW, would be nice to add this handy graphic to the first post, as it is updated automatically:
Lol that is a great achievement for not even there first day, I really hope it keeps climbing
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Post by: Ouze
I dunno how often you guys check Kicktraq, but in my experience it won't be too reliable for the first 4 or 5 days. After that, it's pretty solid up until the last 2 days, where there tend to again be a surge of pledges (or pullouts) that again render it unreliable.
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Post by: Breotan
Ouze wrote:but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.
Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.
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Post by: WolfStark
In the whole calculating thing you could also calculate in minis:
Lieutenant $165
Let's say
2x Heroines for 15 each (or 3 for 10)
20x Troopers for 15 each (15 when choosing Heavy)
12x girls with artillery 15 each
1*Rocket Girl
35 minis for 165$ = each for 5$
If I calculated right I think that isn't a bad deal from this POV
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Post by: Breotan
 WolfStark wrote:In the whole calculating thing you could also calculate in minis
You could calculate in any number of ways (I went with listed value. Others want to use retail. Still others want to account for freebees. Etc., etc., etc.) but the principle is always the same. The math clearly shows you get better value for putting in more money (as expected) with the sweet spot being $365 USD which (as has been pointed out by others) a little high for a line of miniatures.
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Post by: Ouze
Breotan wrote: Ouze wrote:but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.
Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.
But... the model you removed has an associated value that is included right now. Why does that model "not count"?
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Post by: Azazelx
I'm not too stressed about it. The DeadZone KS whch just finished had gakky value initially. While I don't expect a pile of BOGOFs or anything here, I got me EB pledge in, and now while I'll read this thread, I'm not going to stress about it (or even care all that much) until there's about 2 days left. By that stage, I expect that the values will have hiked somewhat, and if I decide then that the value is poor at that time, I'll yank most/all of my pledge. No need to stress for the next 30 days, though.
No big deal.
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Post by: WolfStark
@Breotan
I won't question that^^
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Post by: Kroothawk
For our American friends: Keep in mind that it is 1.00 AM now in Raging Heroes' office, so that might explain the low frequency of updates.
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Post by: gohkm
This is a great start to their Kickstarter. I'm beginning to regret not grabbing an early bird Major-level pledge, but what the hell. Can't wait to see what else gets unlocked.
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Post by: Breotan
Ouze wrote: Breotan wrote: Ouze wrote:but... why would you arbitrarily subtract something that comes in the box and claim you get less value than you pay in? This seems a little odd.
Wasn't arbitrary. I was looking at the value of the initial offering. A month from now I expect it will be very different.
But... the model you removed has an associated value that is included right now. Why does that model "not count"?
I don't see why this is so hard to fathom. The KS exclusive figure actually has two associated values; free and $15. I chose to use "free" because it wasn't a mini you were specifically paying for with your pledge where the Heroines, Troops, and Support were. I also pointed out the difference excluding the 1 & 2 free heroines at Commander and Captain. You don't like the way I calculated things? Fine. When people post the overall value of each pledge level like they did with Deadzone, you can count on them using retail price to calculate the overall value of each pledge level. Still, I expect the fact will still remain that Captain ($365) is the sweet spot here and that is pretty steep for a lot of people. gohkm wrote:This is a great start to their Kickstarter. I'm beginning to regret not grabbing an early bird Major-level pledge, but what the hell. Can't wait to see what else gets unlocked.
Don't sweat it. Early bird pledges usually open up as the campaign winds down and people bail out or move to a different pledge level. Just mark the last couple of days on your calendar so you don't forget and you should get one. Edit: Wow. Nearly 1000 backers and not even 24 hours out. I may well make the jump to Captain if this project gets enough revenue to go to hard plastic.
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Post by: Minx
Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?
Edit: SG summary $12k - $200k:
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Post by: Ouze
 Minx wrote:
Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?
From the Kickstarter, scroll to almost the bottom:
We split the casting between two foundries: One in metal and one in resin, so that neither gets overwhelmed with volume should this KS exceed expectations. And if this Kickstarter was to go extremely well, we also have back-up plans for injected plastics.
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Post by: Minx
Ouze wrote: Minx wrote:
Is that a realistic possibility / something that they have hinted at?
From the Kickstarter, scroll to almost the bottom:
We split the casting between two foundries: One in metal and one in resin, so that neither gets overwhelmed with volume should this KS exceed expectations. And if this Kickstarter was to go extremely well, we also have back-up plans for injected plastics.
Thanks, i must have missed that. Interesting.
Edit: new SG $225k:
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Post by: scarletsquig
Oh god, just noticed you guys have that Abe Lincoln guy in your kickstarter comments as well.
Have fun with that for the next month or so, if Deadzone is any indication he will be consistently and loudly negative about every single thing (even stuff that others like) for the entire month.
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Post by: Breotan
Yea, Abe's been parked there since launch. I don't mind when he makes valid points but he does tend to be more negative than he really needs to be.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I'm having trouble reconciling the the discounts on some heroines.
Msrp of 18...get it for 3$ off
Msrp of 16.50...get it for 6.50 off
Long term the 10$ heroines are much better choice.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Aaaaand .... 2000 % reached after less than 9 hours
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Post by: Breotan
Depends on how many $10 Heroines there are to choose from, I guess. Also, I would hope that the $15 and $20 Heroines are more complicated and/or bigger (not necessarily taller) sculpts than the $10 ones.
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Post by: gohkm
*groan*
This is going to be another really spendy Kickstarter.
I reckon RH should consider releasing a completionist pledge for the heroines - I'm probably going to buy them all!
Less enthused about the Troops and Support, though.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
Breotan wrote:Depends on how many $10 Heroines there are to choose from, I guess. Also, I would hope that the $15 and $20 Heroines are more complicated and/or bigger (not necessarily taller) sculpts than the $10 ones.
Bigger or complicated doesn't mean gak if you only get 3 off versus 6.50 off. Which was my point. Picking and choosing facts doesn't mean your point is correct.
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Post by: Guildsman
Does anyone know if they've mentioned adding additional units beyond what's been shown so far? At the moment, I'm only really interested in pledging for Drusilla, but if a whole squad of jetgirls was offered...
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Interesting.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
The Jet girls are slated for release when they release their Ruleset, later on.
Their ruleset meaning a Raging Heroes ruleset
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm sure that this one will turn out fine, and we'll all be happy in the end.
Sure, some of us will pull our pledges before it is all over, but...
..guess what happens when you use a crowdfunding site to fund something?
The crowd votes with their wallets, and voices their opinions.
Shocking, I know.
A $240K 'day' (that started at 11AM USA EST and 4PM UK/France time!) no less!
I don't think it is over the top to be a little disappointed in 1 anemic update and not a lot of 'unlocks', as well as a somewhat disjointed and confusing main page.
Still - we're all fans here, and I'll be in for the long haul!
Anyone know if we can use the 'heavy support' slots for the bikes and mechs?
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Post by: Grundz
Alpharius wrote:I'm sure that this one will turn out fine, and we'll all be happy in the end.
Sure, some of us will pull our pledges before it is all over, but...
..guess what happens when you use a crowdfunding site to fund something?
The crowd votes with their wallets, and voices their opinions.
Shocking, I know.
A $240K 'day' (that started at 11AM USA EST and 4PM UK/France time!) no less!
I don't think it is over the top to be a little disappointed in 1 anemic update and not a lot of 'unlocks', as well as a somewhat disjointed and confusing main page.
Still - we're all fans here, and I'll be in for the long haul!
Anyone know if we can use the 'heavy support' slots for the bikes and mechs?
you can always vote with your wallet, not order, and stop bumping the topic to the top
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Post by: Alpharius
Why the hell would I do that?
Weird...
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Post by: Breotan
Alpharius wrote:I'm sure that this one will turn out fine, and we'll all be happy in the end. Sure, some of us will pull our pledges before it is all over, but... ..guess what happens when you use a crowdfunding site to fund something? The crowd votes with their wallets, and voices their opinions. Shocking, I know. A $240K 'day' (that started at 11AM USA EST and 4PM UK/France time!) no less! I don't think it is over the top to be a little disappointed in 1 anemic update and not a lot of 'unlocks', as well as a somewhat disjointed and confusing main page. Still - we're all fans here, and I'll be in for the long haul!
Be careful, Alph. I have it on good authority that picking and choosing facts doesn't mean your point is correct. I agree with you though. This one is going to work out fine. Moving to plastic or not is will determine my final pledge amount. Other have their own goalposts. Man, I can't believe Tannhauser42 dropped a grand on this straight out the gate.  Then again, a plastic SoB army is pretty tempting - especially with these figures.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Alpharius wrote:A $240K 'day' (that started at 11AM USA EST and 4PM UK/France time!) no less!
I don't think it is over the top to be a little disappointed in 1 anemic update and not a lot of 'unlocks', as well as a somewhat disjointed and confusing main page.
240k a day? Day is not even half over
And you seem to have missed this picture posted earier in spoiler tags:
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Post by: Jimsolo
Okay...question, since I've never actually donated to a Kickstarter before...I have another paycheck coming within the funding period. I'd like to wait until after that so that I can make as large a donation as possible. Is there any danger of the Kickstarter ending early?
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Post by: JWMarines
You can always up your pledge during and usually after the kickstarter ends. I don't know if it can end early. Not sure what KS rules say about that.
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Post by: Barzam
I just messaged them about the possibility of doing a pledge level like the PRIVATE level, only with a troop box as the model choice instead of a heroine. We'll see if they reply.
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Post by: Alpharius
Kroothawk wrote: Alpharius wrote:A $240K 'day' (that started at 11AM USA EST and 4PM UK/France time!) no less!
I don't think it is over the top to be a little disappointed in 1 anemic update and not a lot of 'unlocks', as well as a somewhat disjointed and confusing main page.
240k a day? Day is not even half over
And you seem to have missed this picture posted earier in spoiler tags:
I did miss that - thanks for posting it again for me!
Something like that could have been in an 'official' Kickstarter update too...
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Post by: Krinsath
JWMarines wrote:You can always up your pledge during and usually after the kickstarter ends. I don't know if it can end early. Not sure what KS rules say about that.
They say "No, it cannot":
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creator+questions#faq_41834
Can projects raise more money than their goal?
Yes. If a project reaches its funding goal before time expires, projects continue to accept pledges until the funding deadline. There is no option to end a project early.
On average, successfully funded projects raise around 130% of their goal.
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Post by: Fafnir
God dammit... I've already spent my entire miniature budget for this year on the Kingdom Death KS.
...I suppose $15 here or there couldn't hurt...
...Or maybe $40?
I hate me.
If Ludmilla gets funded, I really won't have any choice BUT to pitch my money in.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
As I have time to digest this at leisure, it occurs that the number of hero choices are wildly misleading: at least half of the available heroines are greater then $10 (and it's very difficult to discern what actually costs what).
What's more vexing is that there seems to be no rhythm or reason for the pricing.
Can anyone offer insight to why Kruger is $15, but #42 is $10? Or why a heavy gunner is $15, but a sniper is $10?
As has been observed above, the degree of discount from MSRP is simply mystifying...
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Nope, it lasts exactly 32 days from start, and you don't get charged till the end of the KS. I think I've worked out my models just based on what we have unlocked now.
Lieutenant Early Bird - Faction: Kruganova Shock Troops
3x Heroines: Sniper Karmina Noxx, Commander Elektra, and I haven't really decided, but the unlocked Yaga Soul Weaver if we don't get the Orbital Strike Commander or one of the special characters I would prefer.
4x troops: 2x command squads, 2x squads
4x heavy support: If it all gets unlocked, two of the "normal" artillery pieces (1 and 2 seem to have the same weapon) one of artillery 3 (which appears to be a different weapon) and the sniper team
Extra Heroines: I'll probably grab the standard bearer and Kruganova as my extras and even though she's not my army, I am coveting the Necropriestess
Extra troops: 2x squads, 1x Heavy command squad, 2x heavy squads
Extra Support: If the mecha gets unlocked I'll think about it.
Total for me:
$152 (LT EB)
$20 (Extra Heroines)
$90 (extra troops)
$23 shipping
$285
Now this is basically an upgrade to the Commander level, but doing that would actually cost me more to get the squad of heavy infantry I want. Wooo. This Kickstarter is pricey.
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Herald Note:
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Someone asked here or else where about paying the difference on models. So in my example above with my LT box I get three $10 Heroines, but say I want two $10 Heroines and a $15. It is completely acceptable to increase your pledge and "pay the difference" on that final model per the team. That update will be on the KS FAQ in the near future if not already.
Edit: Buzzsaw, I'm asking for you.
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Post by: Ouze
JWMarines wrote:You can always up your pledge during and usually after the kickstarter ends. I don't know if it can end early. Not sure what KS rules say about that.
To expand upon what Krinsath said, they cannot successfully close a project early, but you can cancel a project at any time, and no one gets charged. They, uh, probably won't want to do that though. Automatically Appended Next Post: Grundz wrote:you can always vote with your wallet, not order, and stop bumping the topic to the top
Yeah, Alpharius - WTF is wrong with you, discussing the Raging Heroes kickstarter in the appropriate thread? Either fawn or move on, brah.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Buzzsaw wrote:
Can anyone offer insight to why Kruger is $15, but #42 is $10? Or why a heavy gunner is $15, but a sniper is $10?
My best guess is "Games Workshop-style" hero pricing. - essentially based on the role a model has in your force rather than the sculpt, size, amount of metal/etc.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
I really want to pledge but I recall reading on here that Raging Heroes is awful with making deadlines. Is that the case or am I thinking of another studio?
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Post by: Ouze
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:I really want to pledge but I recall reading on here that Raging Heroes is awful with making deadlines. Is that the case or am I thinking of another studio?
You are correct, sir!
Although, in all fairness - virtually every single kickstarter ever has delivered at least somewhat late.
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Post by: inqscott
Another studio starting with the letter A
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Ouze wrote: DarkTraveler777 wrote:I really want to pledge but I recall reading on here that Raging Heroes is awful with making deadlines. Is that the case or am I thinking of another studio?
You are correct, sir!
Although, in all fairness - virtually every single kickstarter ever has delivered at least somewhat late.
To be fair to Raging Heroes apparently starting a KS from outside the United States is a complete bear and they didn't factor that in when they set their initial launch goals.
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Herald Note:
Reply from the team for Buzzsaw and others with pricing concerns and questions.
Re: "the number of hero choices is wildly misleading: at least half of the available heroines are greater then $10": No. There are 25 Heroines at 10$ and 13 that are more expensive. So quite less than half. We used 10 dollar as a base, because this makes it the smallest common denominator for pledges as far as heroines as concerned. The same goes for troops and supports.
Re "(and it's very difficult to discern what actually costs what).": The prices of the minis are unclear. They are separated by sections, with heavy lines between sections, and the pricing is repeated several times in each section.*
Re: "Can anyone offer insight to why Kruger is $15, but #42 is $10? Or why a heavy gunner is $15, but a sniper is $10?"
With the experience of our past few years, we've become very aware of how the cost of a miniature can go up significantly because of just a slightly larger amount of metal, and so we price according to our expectations of how much metal will be required for that mini. However, we've also decided to make some of the minis we know will be more costly to produce available at a lower price, because we know that every one is looking for a good deal, so we're picking up the extra cost there.
*Personal note, I didn't have any trouble figuring out what was priced for what from the graphics.
And another note from the team concerning the Kruganova Sisters: (Myself and apparently a feth load of other people asked this one)
Some of you have asked if we would include the three sisters in the TGG Kickstarter.
In the end, we decided not too.
The key reason for this is because we know that it would be unfair to our resellers who already have them in stock and for sale.
As you may recall, the dollar value of TGG Kickstarter miniatures is between 20 to 40% lower than retail pricing, and that's not even counting the additional freebies and extras that will be tucked into the KS. Including the Kurganova sisters in the Kickstarter would mean undercutting retailers, and that's not right.
Retailers and shops are a very important part of the gaming community. They work hard for what is often very little pay to bring you the best possible gaming experience, but at this point in time, they are mostly excluded from the Kickstarter process.
While Kickstarter is an amazing opportunity for the entire gaming industry, its positive impact has not yet really reached the retailers. By the way, that's also one of the reasons we came up with the Drop Ship Programme, that can help pledgers get the TGG KS miniatures in several waves without having to pay additional shipping costs without having to wait for us to complete the entire TGG production.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
Ouze wrote: DarkTraveler777 wrote:I really want to pledge but I recall reading on here that Raging Heroes is awful with making deadlines. Is that the case or am I thinking of another studio?
You are correct, sir!
Although, in all fairness - virtually every single kickstarter ever has delivered at least somewhat late.
True.
I don't mind somewhat late. I just dread having something 6+ months behind schedule.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Herald Note:
Reply from the team for Buzzsaw and others with pricing concerns and questions.
Re: "the number of hero choices is wildly misleading: at least half of the available heroines are greater then $10": No. There are 25 Heroines at 10$ and 13 that are more expensive. So quite less than half. We used 10 dollar as a base, because this makes it the smallest common denominator for pledges as far as heroines as concerned. The same goes for troops and supports.
Re "(and it's very difficult to discern what actually costs what).": The prices of the minis are unclear. They are separated by sections, with heavy lines between sections, and the pricing is repeated several times in each section.*
Re: "Can anyone offer insight to why Kruger is $15, but #42 is $10? Or why a heavy gunner is $15, but a sniper is $10?"
With the experience of our past few years, we've become very aware of how the cost of a miniature can go up significantly because of just a slightly larger amount of metal, and so we price according to our expectations of how much metal will be required for that mini. However, we've also decided to make some of the minis we know will be more costly to produce available at a lower price, because we know that every one is looking for a good deal, so we're picking up the extra cost there.
*Personal note, I didn't have any trouble figuring out what was priced for what from the graphics.
Thanks for the quick update Kal!
*Snort* I was puzzled by those numbers for a moment, "25 at $10 and 13 at higher"? There certainly don't appear to have 38 available characters... which in fact they do not. That number counts all the unavailable characters as well as the available ones. I made the mistake of going off the above "what is available" image, which is hopelessly out of date (to the point one wonders what it is doing up on the front page...). It appears that they intend to eventually get the ratio to about 2:1, although it is currently at 3:2 (Jailbirds 3:2, Kurganovas 3:1, Iron Empire 3:3).
As for the pricing I am... slightly mollified? It's hard to quibble with their reasoning, but seriously now, to use the example I gave before " Kruger is $15, but #42 is $10", this is off material used? #42 appears to have a refrigerator for an arm an an enormous helmet, and is around 40% discount, while Kruger is a woman with a sword and a pistol, but Kruger would take more metal? Okay....
The list of "heroines" (err, and that one dude...) included below.
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Post by: JWMarines
I think Kruger comes with that sculpted pile of rubble at her feet in the pic. Like the one gunner comes with her foot up on an I-Beam.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Breotan wrote: Man, I can't believe Tannhauser42 dropped a grand on this straight out the gate. Then again, a plastic SoB army is pretty tempting - especially with these figures.
Heh, I figured "go big or go home." It will be cool to see how well these will line up with my Eisenkern army from Dreamforge (spent even more on that one, yikes!). Hell, at this rate, who even needs to buy GW's models anymore?
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Post by: Breotan
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Ouze wrote:Although, in all fairness - virtually every single kickstarter ever has delivered at least somewhat late.
True. I don't mind somewhat late. I just dread having something 6+ months behind schedule.
If that's the case, I got some baaaaaaad news for you...
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 Tannhauser42 wrote: Breotan wrote: Man, I can't believe Tannhauser42 dropped a grand on this straight out the gate. Then again, a plastic SoB army is pretty tempting - especially with these figures.
Heh, I figured "go big or go home." It will be cool to see how well these will line up with my Eisenkern army from Dreamforge (spent even more on that one, yikes!). Hell, at this rate, who even needs to buy GW's models anymore?
I like that idea a lot: I am really thinking about a combo of RH and DFG infantry for armies. Iron Empire looks to mesh very well with Eisenkern...
Mmmm, chocolate in my peanut butter...
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
So reviewing the Heroine list, I definitely want the new Ivanka Kruganova sculpt, Commander Elektra, Karmina Noxx and Irina Vega, the Tank Hunter hero sounds like a good pick too. Which gives me a total of 5... might consider the standard bearer and again, that Necropriestess... I want to add a 40mm based with tons of AD Mech iconography and put her in a display case forever.
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Post by: Jimsolo
I can't wait to field these as IG. Seriously, best minis I've ever seen.
I really, really wish there was a longer stretch-goal guide somewhere. I'd like to know when/if One Shot Blondie is going to become available.
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Post by: Makaleth
I might be daft, but I cannot see a male sculpt in this (what is the name?)
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Post by: Tresson
Anyone notice that Mimi looks kinda like Luca from Crono Trigger?
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Post by: Hulksmash
They've updated with the next few goals. There is no rhyme or reason to the pricing structure and still no freebies thru $310,000.00.
I mean seriously, 35k for a single model...
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Post by: pretre
Apparently it works. Sex sells.
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Post by: Barzam
So, I got a response from Raging Heroes about a low level pledge with a troop box instead of a heroine.
Loud'n Raging says:
Hi Barzam,
We are considering creating a pledge for this. How many box 5 would you want?
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain
RAGING HEROES TEAM
Pretty quick response and glad that they're considering it. And, maybe someone can confirm for me just to be sure, you have to add that $23 for shipping to a basic pledge, right? Or does that only get tacked on if you add in a paid add-on?
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Post by: Hulksmash
I just like to see some consistency on their stretches. This next single model apparently costs more than the multi-part squad coming up.
Add in that we know they were only originally expecting 4,333(average) per model and it's a bit annoying. I am truly hoping this goes plastic though, cause then I'll go nuts.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
On the super low pledges like "one heroine" it notes that they cover shipping. You'd have to ask for other levels.
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Post by: Krinsath
Barzam wrote:So, I got a response from Raging Heroes about a low level pledge with a troop box instead of a heroine. Loud'n Raging says:
Hi Barzam,
We are considering creating a pledge for this. How many box 5 would you want?
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain
RAGING HEROES TEAM
Pretty quick response and glad that they're considering it. And, maybe someone can confirm for me just to be sure, you have to add that $23 for shipping to a basic pledge, right? Or does that only get tacked on if you add in a paid add-on?
Every pledge pledge requires $23 shipping if you're in the US.
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Post by: pretre
Hulksmash wrote:I just like to see some consistency on their stretches. This next single model apparently costs more than the multi-part squad coming up.
Add in that we know they were only originally expecting 4,333(average) per model and it's a bit annoying. I am truly hoping this goes plastic though, cause then I'll go nuts.
Let's be fair though.
If the model comes as part of a package or they expect to have to ship X of them, they budget it at 4,333 per model. Then they find out that they are actually going to have to package, ship, give away 1000X, that might increase some of their fixed and marginal costs and they decide to up it to 35k per model.
Or they may just be milking the KS cow for all it is worth.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
I was hoping to see a few more sculpts on launch.
The new stretch goals do seem to be a little too...stretched out.
They could easily hit 1 mil just saying that's when they go plastic troop boxes.
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Post by: Ouze
And, it wouldn't be Dakka without a little misogyny, amirite?
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Project Update 2
Hi again!
We are humbled by what's been happening, achieving, nearly $250,000 and it's not even been 12 hours yet! The first few hours were a total blur. The emotions were overwhelming. Our hands sometimes shook so much we just couldn't type properly on the keyboard. And everything everywhere was calling for our attention, so we were jumping all over the place trying to catch up. There was a moment when we grew so numb that we just sat staring at our computers, not knowing what to click on or what to do... And phone and Skype were merrily ringing every few minutes from friends and family to share their happiness...
But nevertheless, we got quite a few things done...
We've managed to reply to over 100 Kickstarter emails, and that particular mailbox is currently sitting empty! :-)
We've also updated our FAQ (took us over 3 hours to find the button to do this!). We will continue to update it regularly. We also posted replies to our Raging Heralds (bless them all!), who have been relaying recurring questions and concerns and sharing back our replies to the community they belong to.
We also unlocked quite a few many miniatures, without having even the time to Update you about them. As the pledges grew from $12,000 to $225,000, we unlocked 14 stretch goals: 8 Heroines, 2 Troops Boxes, 3 Support boxes, and a 1st pack of Free Upgrades for 6 unlocked Heroines (see images below for detail). Remember that the Free Upgrades apply to ALL pledge levels.
We have also posted the 3 next stretch goals (see images below).
We'll now be off to catch some sleep. We'll of course be back online tomorrow. We want to give you many many many thanks for this unbelievable Kickstarter launch! Thank you for being part of this incredible adventure!
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Post by: pretre
Ouze wrote: And, it wouldn't be Dakka without a little misogyny, amirite?
Are we in the same thread? Are you saying I'm the misogynist in a thread devoted to selling miniature figures of scantily clad women when I just say the obvious as to why the KS is doing so well?
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Post by: Barzam
 Krinsath wrote: Barzam wrote:So, I got a response from Raging Heroes about a low level pledge with a troop box instead of a heroine.
Loud'n Raging says:
Hi Barzam,
We are considering creating a pledge for this. How many box 5 would you want?
Sincerely,
Jean-Romain
RAGING HEROES TEAM
Pretty quick response and glad that they're considering it. And, maybe someone can confirm for me just to be sure, you have to add that $23 for shipping to a basic pledge, right? Or does that only get tacked on if you add in a paid add-on?
Every pledge pledge requires $23 shipping if you're in the US.
See, I can't tell because it says "Shipping included for 1 Heroine. Otherwise, US add $23" It sounds to me like the 1 figure pledge is just $15 and that's it.
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Post by: Ouze
pretre wrote: Ouze wrote:
And, it wouldn't be Dakka without a little misogyny, amirite?
Are we in the same thread? Are you saying I'm the misogynist in a thread devoted to selling miniature figures of scantily clad women when I just say the obvious as to why the KS is doing so well?
OH, now they're women? A minute ago they were just a bunch of boobs.
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Post by: Yonan
Nice update, very happy with how the KS is progressing. Looking forward to more stretch goals, especially freebies and hard plastic.
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Post by: Hulksmash
pretre wrote: Hulksmash wrote:I just like to see some consistency on their stretches. This next single model apparently costs more than the multi-part squad coming up.
Add in that we know they were only originally expecting 4,333(average) per model and it's a bit annoying. I am truly hoping this goes plastic though, cause then I'll go nuts.
Let's be fair though.
If the model comes as part of a package or they expect to have to ship X of them, they budget it at 4,333 per model. Then they find out that they are actually going to have to package, ship, give away 1000X, that might increase some of their fixed and marginal costs and they decide to up it to 35k per model.
Or they may just be milking the KS cow for all it is worth.
I call BS. It's not a free model so that doesn't hold up.
The company is selling their items to us directly at us at 60-85% of retail cost. Which is still 10-35% profit (over what they likely sell whole sale so it's actually higher than that). In fact so far they have only given away a single model for "free" and it seems that is included in the actual cost of the pledges ($150 in models for a $165 pledge).
They're milking it. Which is fine to a point but knowing that Dreamforge managed to get quite a few sets of infantry tooled in quality multi-part plastic for less than this has already earned makes it a little annoying.
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Post by: Ouze
I think if they don't switch to plastic, they're leaving money on the table... yes? As far as profits.
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Post by: pretre
Ouze wrote:OH, now they're women? A minute ago they were just a bunch of boobs.
Someone's taking the internet a littttttle bit too seriously.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Does it really count as dedicated to selling models of scantily clad women when it's only 1/3 of the of the models available that really fit the definition of the term?
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Post by: pretre
I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Automatically Appended Next Post: KalashnikovMarine wrote:Does it really count as dedicated to selling models of scantily clad women when it's only 1/3 of the of the models available that really fit the definition of the term?
Perhaps not scantily clad, but certainly sexualized.
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Post by: Barzam
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Does it really count as dedicated to selling models of scantily clad women when it's only 1/3 of the of the models available that really fit the definition of the term?
The heavy troops really don't fit the scantily clad bill. That might be why I like them the most though.
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Post by: Ouze
pretre wrote: Ouze wrote:OH, now they're women? A minute ago they were just a bunch of boobs.
Someone's taking the internet a littttttle bit too seriously.
You can deflect away from how offensive what you said was all you like. The fact of the matter is that this is a kickstarter based around female models and you felt the need to to reduce it to "boobs sell". They're not women! Just life support for nipples!
And you know what, maybe it's from watching that Anita Sarkeesian video the other day, but I think... I think maybe seeing stuff like that in our hobby and not saying anything is part of the problem.
I barely know you, so I'm not saying you're a misogynist. But what you said here was incredibly misogynist, and you deserve to be called out on it.
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Post by: JAO249
Fantastic sculpts, about time someone made decent female sculpts. Not only that but the fact a kickstarter shows the sculpts to compare instead of 3d renders is welcome.
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Post by: pretre
Ouze wrote: You can deflect away from how offensive what you said was all you like. The fact of the matter is that this is a kickstarter based around female models and you felt the need to to reduce it to "boobs sell". They're not women! Just life support for nipples! And you know what, maybe it's from watching that Anita Sarkeesian video the other day, but I think... I think maybe seeing stuff like that in our hobby and not saying anything is part of the problem. I barely know you, so I'm not saying you're a misogynist. But what you said here was incredibly misogynist, and you deserve to be called out on it.
Look at the KS page and tell me that the driving force of the pledges is the sexualization of those models with a straight face. I may have said it in a flippant manner by saying 'Boobs sell' but I could have said 'Sex sells' and it would have been the same thing. This KS is successful because RH sculpts over-sexualized female soldier minis and the main demographic for most minis is males. It's pretty simple math. edit: So as not to distort the argument, I edited my original post to 'Sex sells'. There. The terrorists have won.
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Post by: Ouze
From the Kurganova releases I trust them more then most to be able to faithfully bring the 3d renders to an accurate rendering in resin\metal\whatever. All of the digital sculpts they did of the Vestals previously were very spot-on to the final product.
What a time to be a wargamer! All of these little startups, finally making it big.
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Post by: Alpharius
I suppose this was inevitable.
However - this thread needs to stay on topic.
If anyone wants to debate the ideas that may or may not be behind this Kickstarter and its runaway success, and maybe people's reasons for pledging or even commenting on it, a thread somewhere else would be a better place.
Thanks!
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Post by: ultimentra
I really want to buy a 40$ set, but having to include 23$ shipping is the deal breaker here.
I don't really get how they can cover shipping for the 15$ donation mini, because for the models I want it almost seems like a better deal to buy a couple of those.
4 nice models for 40$ is great, 4 nice models for 63$ is not. If I wanted to overpay for models I would buy some GW stuff at retail.
If they included the shipping on the 40$ set, or made it so you can get a troop box instead of just heroes, or maybe even made a 60$ set that you can get troops in I would buy one. The 23$ dollar shipping on top of the 40$ is just breaking this deal for me.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
JAO249 wrote:Fantastic sculpts, about time someone made decent female sculpts. Not only that but the fact a kickstarter shows the sculpts to compare instead of 3d renders is welcome.
Sorry friend, but read the captions. Those ARE 3d sculpt renders.
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Post by: Breotan
 ultimentra wrote:I really want to buy a 40$ set, but having to include 23$ shipping is the deal breaker here.
Or you could get together with some others on Dakka and pool your money into a single pledge, agreeing beforehand who gets what. That way you get what you want and only chip in for part of the shipping costs.
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Post by: lennymaybe
I was originally only going in for the $40 pledge, but somehow my hand slipped and I'm in for the $95 8 heroines and ks exclusive pledge.
The boyfriend is also keen to pick up a few of the heroines, so I'll probably be adjusting it up again later.
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Post by: Yonan
Breotan wrote: ultimentra wrote:I really want to buy a 40$ set, but having to include 23$ shipping is the deal breaker here.
Or you could get together with some others on Dakka and pool your money into a single pledge, agreeing beforehand who gets what. That way you get what you want and only chip in for part of the shipping costs.
Yep, this is common with Aussies pledging for kickstarters. Or other international shipments really, always tacking on models to friends orders ; )
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Post by: Alpharius
From the FAQ:
What's the difference between "additional minis" and the "freebies" you talk about?
The "additional minis" mentioned in the CAPTAIN BOX pledge level and above are "free minis" (as some are calling them). We call them "additional minis" because if you do the maths, you will see that they are included in your pledge level at no extra cost to you.
The "freebies" will be "unlocked extras miniatures" that will be added FOR FREE to all pledges from the LIEUTENANT BOX level and above pledge levels
I'm not sure that's entirely correct, from what we've been told/read?
Maybe they've messed up the FREEBIES and FREE MINIATURES rewards?
Or they didn't mean Lieutenant Box and above?
I'm sure it will all be sorted out eventually...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Have these images been shown?
That last one is tempting me with Iron Empire designs...
The current plan was to go heavy Kurganovas with the Jailbirds serving as specialists/veterans.
Maybe Iron Empire as Commissar types?
I guess it would also depend upon what RH's own rules are like too though!
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Post by: deleted20250424
I almost wish I hadn't come into this thread. I'm still reeling from MYTH, Robotech, DZ, and All Quiet.
Those are some seriously nice miniatures and the prices in the KS are friggen ridiculously cheap (IMHO) for the quality of what is being show.
I will drop $10 all day long on something of higher quality than I've paid $20 for.
Good news is, my wife loves what she sees, and she's not a gamer/player/collector.
That might be my in!
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Post by: Ouze
I thought this was fairly clear. Perhaps the ease with which I understood it means I also am mistaken.
The "free miniatures" are the Jetpack lady and an additional free heroine.
The "freebies" mean things like that bulldog one of the ladies comes with, different weapons, headswaps, etc.
Also Major Severina seems like she'd fit in well with a DKoK army, depending on scale.
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Post by: Lansirill
Lieutenant and above get the freebies, if we ever get to any.
Commander and above have some wording along the lines of "Plus blah additional $10 heroines/troops/whatevers". Once you get to Captain, if you add up the value of what you're getting in the pledge, it'll be greater than what the pledge itself costs. Hence they call the "Gift Minis" at that level and above.
Honestly? I think if you ignore the language about gift minis, and just go by what's listed in pledge descriptions, you'll see what's going on better.
Edit: And just to illustrate exactly how clear this all is. Ouze and I describe completely different things, since pledges well below Captain level get Rockettteer.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think the bottom line is, if there's this much confusion, it isn't clear.
Still - these miniatures will be quite nice when it is all said and done.
And we haven't even seen the bikes or the Mechas yet!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Azazelx wrote:I'm not too stressed about it. The DeadZone KS whch just finished had gakky value initially. While I don't expect a pile of BOGOFs or anything here, I got me EB pledge in, and now while I'll read this thread, I'm not going to stress about it (or even care all that much) until there's about 2 days left. By that stage, I expect that the values will have hiked somewhat, and if I decide then that the value is poor at that time, I'll yank most/all of my pledge. No need to stress for the next 30 days, though.
No big deal.
And if the artist formerly known as scipio is telling you to calm down during a Kickstarter, then you know it’s time to calm the feth down! Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:I barely know you, so I'm not saying you're a misogynist. But what you said here was incredibly misogynist, and you deserve to be called out on it.
You’re misusing the word. Misogyny would imply an intentional and conscious hatred of women. It’s pretty clear that we’re not buying these out of some sort of unresolved loathing for the fairer sex.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
ultimentra wrote:I really want to buy a 40$ set, but having to include 23$ shipping is the deal breaker here. I don't really get how they can cover shipping for the 15$ donation mini, because for the models I want it almost seems like a better deal to buy a couple of those. 4 nice models for 40$ is great, 4 nice models for 63$ is not. If I wanted to overpay for models I would buy some GW stuff at retail. If they included the shipping on the 40$ set, or made it so you can get a troop box instead of just heroes, or maybe even made a 60$ set that you can get troops in I would buy one. The 23$ dollar shipping on top of the 40$ is just breaking this deal for me.
You could rock the $40 pledge level then add on a troop box, that'd take you to $55 + S&H for 9 minis. Some more responses from RH from questions I've seen here on Dakka and else where. Especially for "show me the money" on some of the troop sculpts. "Fielding some requests for an update with Renders from the unit boxes (non hero)
Apparently you guys are doing too good a job with the heroines and people are worried the grunts will suffer in comparison"
Images of the Troops will be shown during the Kickstarter, and sooner rather than later. Also, please note that in the trailer, the Kurganova Regular Troops are shown. And at the time, the faces were not quite finalized
"At what level of funding do we clear all the unlocks?"
With this amazing start, you can be sure that everything will be unlocked by the end of this KS.
In other news we hit 250k and are four people away from 1000 backers and we are not even close to the 24 hour mark, I think that might be a record for Day 1 backing for wargaming KSes.
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Post by: pretre
"At what level of funding do we clear all the unlocks?"
With this amazing start, you can be sure that everything will be unlocked by the end of this KS.
There you go, Hulk. Fixed number of things already planned out, so they are trying to spread them out.
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Post by: Jimsolo
Cannot WAIT for those bikes. I seriously haven't been this excited about something since the birth of my son.
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Post by: decker_cky
Lansirill wrote:Lieutenant and above get the freebies, if we ever get to any.
Commander and above have some wording along the lines of "Plus blah additional $10 heroines/troops/whatevers". Once you get to Captain, if you add up the value of what you're getting in the pledge, it'll be greater than what the pledge itself costs. Hence they call the "Gift Minis" at that level and above.
Honestly? I think if you ignore the language about gift minis, and just go by what's listed in pledge descriptions, you'll see what's going on better.
Edit: And just to illustrate exactly how clear this all is. Ouze and I describe completely different things, since pledges well below Captain level get Rockettteer.
Before the FAQ, I would have disagreed with this. Reading the FAQ, this seems to be the proper interpretation. I'm certainly hoping that there's more substantive freebies than an accessory dog.
They really need to get rid of the "Funding 12,000" picture ( https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/644/973/d1a7fb4867f1f0f3cc5b487d404b3ff5_large.jpg ). It just confuses things since it's all unlocked, not a key pledge level, and it's all repeated in a better fashion below.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Another update from the wiped out staff. Apparently they've just visited a boulangerie for fresh croissants (seriously, so French!) but are using the carbs to power up and continue the assault.
"What does 3 $10 Heroines (or $30 worth of Heroines) mean?"
It means that you can, in this example, get three $10 Heroines, but you could also choose two $15 Heroines.
And if you want two $10 Heroines, and one $15 Heroine, it is completely appropriate to increase your pledge and "pay the difference" on that final model per the team.
And if you want more Heroines/Troops/Support than what is included in your BOX level, you can pick and choose what you like, total up their value, and increase your pledge by that amount.
You will be able to tell us your specific choices after the Kickstarter ends, when we send you the KS survey.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I thought as much. My pledge is for the $80 of Heroines.
I want the not-Tech-Priestess, and she’s $20, and I want Mrs. Lightning Claws and I believe she’s $15 (or will be). That’s $35 of my $80 limit, leaving me $45. If I get 5 more Heroines of $10, I just add $5. Not all that complicated.
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Post by: Jimsolo
As a complete side-note, I don't think I've ever seen sculpts that looked so much like the minis before. Is that just me gushing about how cool they look, or is that as unusual as it seems?
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
General Lightning Claws is indeed in the $15 category.
I decided to play with different ways to get my pledge the way I wanted it. So starting at the $80 level to get the following heroines: Ivanka Kruganova sculpt, Commander Elektra, Karmina Noxx and Irina Vega, the Tank Hunter hero, with Not Tech Priestess bringing me to $70, finish that off and add $5 with the Kruganova standard Bearer $85.
For troops I want four squads of grunts ($60), two command squads ($30) and then a pair of heavy squads and a heavy command squad ($60)
Puts me at $258 shipped and gives me access to all the heroines I want. A savings of $25 or so compared to my current set up at the LT level with the add ons I want and I lose out on my heavy weapons. (The $285 is without the Not Tech Priestess, she makes the number $305) and of course I still get the awesome art book and the KS exclusive mini. I do lose out on the "freebies" but so far that's just an alternate head with a barracks cover to swap out Commander Elektra's piss cutter* with.
*This ugly thing, also called a side cap: http://www.armedforcesmcss.net/cart.php?target=image&action=product_image&id=296
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
pretre wrote:"At what level of funding do we clear all the unlocks?"
With this amazing start, you can be sure that everything will be unlocked by the end of this KS.
There you go, Hulk. Fixed number of things already planned out, so they are trying to spread them out.
Who knew the French could be so cynical?
The only way I could pledge for this thing is when if they finally start making some plastics.
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Post by: HisDivineShadow
The more KS I see funding at insane levels while sticking with resin, the I wonder how Mark @ Dream forge did what he did in plastic with what he got, which was less then RH got in the first 12hrs. He must have literally taken none of it in profit.
I was hoping wed have more unlocked this deep in. We have only a glimmer of Iron Empire bikes and no clue on the mechas.
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Post by: Makaleth
 HisDivineShadow wrote:The more KS I see funding at insane levels while sticking with resin, the I wonder how Mark @ Dream forge did what he did in plastic with what he got, which was less then RH got in the first 12hrs. He must have literally taken none of it in profit.
I was hoping wed have more unlocked this deep in. We have only a glimmer of Iron Empire bikes and no clue on the mechas.
Also cost per person and per item was much higher.
This is 150+ mini's... where as DF was much fewer.
However I agree, Mark did an unbelievable job with that one... probably the best I have ever been involved in.
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Post by: conker249
 Jimsolo wrote:As a complete side-note, I don't think I've ever seen sculpts that looked so much like the minis before. Is that just me gushing about how cool they look, or is that as unusual as it seems?
Not unusual, they look amazing and kick-ass. From seeing other models from their site and in person, they have amazing detail, IMO. I am very excited.
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Post by: Swiftz0r
Hey all, I just wanted to introduce myself really quick. I'm one of the Raging Heralds. I'm getting ready to go to bed, however I will be on as much as I can tomorrow. Glad to see that the KS is getting so much hype!
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
$260k marker just about. Not bad folks.
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Post by: Azazelx
HisDivineShadow wrote:The more KS I see funding at insane levels while sticking with resin, the I wonder how Mark @ Dream forge did what he did in plastic with what he got, which was less then RH got in the first 12hrs. He must have literally taken none of it in profit.
Mark's Kickstarter in many ways was one of the early ones. Like Kings of War before it. That can clearly be seen in the initial projected delivery date of October 2012, and March for the later stages. If Mark was to do a second KS down the line, I think it would be looking at half a million to a million+ - especially on the back of other successful campaigns and his own product. My understanding was also that Mark was putting in a lot of his own money as well. I seem to remember someone talking about something around $20k, but I may be misremembering.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Sisters players are like "Woohoo!".
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Post by: BrookM
With 260k reached, mini three on my wishlist has been unlocked. Bit miffed that the rest of them are still locked away for an undetermined amount.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
 Makaleth wrote:I might be daft, but I cannot see a male sculpt in this (what is the name?)
Aleksandr Kurganov Father of the Kurganova sisters, what is he doing in this kickstarter is a mystery.
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Post by: tyrant of loserville
Dang, my war chest is depleted from DZ. Maybe I should go sell some plasma for a few weeks to make some extra funds for this. 
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Post by: Slinky
I've reworked my planned Praetorian IG army.
It's now half Praetorian and half Iron Empire. An odd combo, but it means I get to use these and the minis I want from Victoria Lamb
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