Wow, wasn't expecting the price of the one piece plastic Marines, there is price fluctuation and then there is taking the mick.
White Scars cover is poor in my view, can barely tell its a White Scar marine, should have had him sitting on a resting bike. First glance I thought it was an Apothecary, although it will save me some cash just getting the standard one.
Centurions are crazy priced as well, when I consider I can get three Kans for £28.50.
This will be the first time I pre-order from a deep discounter and just wait for the stuff to arrive.
I play space marines and I spend a crazy ammount of money on warhammer 40k, but the prices on this release are simply ridiculous. No reason whatsever for these pricehikes.
I don't really play Marines but some of these models look amazeballs. Sternguard and Vanguard Vets specifically. I also like the Stalker a lot, as well as the Chaplain. Hell, I like it all, except the Centurians and the cherub on the Librarian, which sadly doesn't look super easy to remove.
Are you bemoaning the prices of one marines army, and settling on playing another marines army? One that will, in all likelihood, cost only slight amounts less at most than the other?
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BrotherVord wrote: $60 codex, and a flying baby attached to an otherwise cool lookin, albeit $30 librarian.
Advanced Hobbyists might be able to assist you in using a knife to remove a plastic bit from your librarian.
$60 codex, and a flying baby attached to an otherwise cool lookin, albeit $30 librarian. Sad.
Also the chaplain bundle is just nuts
The cherub is optional and does not have to be attached to the Librarian to complete the model. I'll take any cherub bits people don't want, evil space babies are a weird, fun, creepy part of the 40K aesthetic and I'm sure I could have some fun using them on conversions.
The Chaplain bundle is a $41.25 US vehicle plus $35 Command Squad plus Chaplain for $90. That means the Chaplain model is only $13.75 US added to that price. The only thing that is bad about it is that many existing customers won't need the existing product in the box and they don't want to spend $90 just to get the new Chaplain.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Wow, wasn't expecting the price of the one piece plastic Marines, there is price fluctuation and then there is taking the mick.
The beautiful thing is that you can get pretty much the same stuff for much cheaper already. Hit eBay and get the AoBR Commander for about $10 (£7) and it's pretty much the same model, or at least close enough. Or if you really want the "same" model, get Sicarius in Finecast at $20 (£15). Hit eBay and you can get some Grey Knight bits to make a Librarian (torso, legs, staff, and shoulder pads) on the cheap. Just use spare arms and a stormbolter from your bits box and you're golden. You can get some Dark Angel bits and a chaos skull head off eBay to make an outstanding Chaplain on the cheap, too.
The only thing that is bad about it is that many existing customers won't need the existing product in the box and they don't want to spend $90 just to get the new Chaplain.
Yep, god bless internet bit sellers I guess, cause they'll be making a lot of money just selling off the chaplain sprues when they restock command squads and razorbacks.
I so, so , so want to get the LE Iron Hands codex, for no other reason than I have this horrible suspicion that GW will be using these LE books as a metric to determine who gets Supplements and in what order....but I just can't do it. I can't pay double the actual price for a different cover and colourised page edging.
Wouldn't the number of Iron Hands decal sheets sold be a better indicator of who is actually using them?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Games Workshop is down for me too.
Release week is going to be insane if this is anything to go by.
If IG ends up Feb, and Orks May, then maybe July or August? Basically, about a year.
Whoaaa the big Russian didn't see that coming, thought they would be a good deal longer. Hopefully we will see a couple of refreshed HQ models in plastic? With a lot of SM's Tac's seemingly coming down by 1pt and getting their own rules? Hopefully some of the SW's pricings will come more in line with normal pricings e.g. close combat HQ pieces being quite expensive e.g. Ragnar VS Sicarius, close combat TH/SS Termies less expensive, jump packs not being priced so high and hopefully Skyclaws will also not be so lame,
If IG ends up Feb, and Orks May, then maybe July or August? Basically, about a year.
Nice one, thanks.
I'll have my current ones painted by then, in time for the new ones.
Ph34r, I'm not bemoaning the fact that one army is costing a little more than another, I'm merely stating a fact that a brand new Marine army is going to cost me a hell of a lot more than a Space Wolf army of equal points.
Space Wolf Packs - £23 each... I get more parts and tons of left overs for WG, LF and BC.
The kits for SW are a lot more versatile and cheaper than the standard Marine kit.
The only cross over kits I have to buy are two Devastator kits and two - three Rhino.
Everything else is pure Wolf and waaaaaay cheaper than the new Marine stuff.
300ish days to wait for a new codex is fine for me and it's not like the SW one isn't aging well. It's still a strong book.
Didn't buy a LE codex because the price was too high, but even if I had the cash I'm not sure which I'd buy. I like the UM marine pose the most, but they're one of the chapters I'm into the least. Regular codex is pretty sweet looking, and I feel like the other LE codices could have had cooler artwork, or more action.
The big Russian didn't see that coming, thought they would be a good deal longer. Hopefully we will see a couple of refreshed HQ models in plastic? With a lot of SM's Tac's seemingly coming down by 1pt and getting their own rules? Hopefully some of the SW's pricings will come more in line with normal pricings e.g. close combat HQ pieces being quite expensive e.g. Ragnar VS Sicarius, close combat Termies less expensive, jump packs not being priced so high for WG and hopefully Skyclaws will also not be so lame,
Orks in Q1 sounds good also.
I think for SW, the less they do, probably the better. GH are still awesome troops, and I'd hate for GW to suddenly rock the boat, either by increasing cost or nerfing them. Also, we can kiss negating psychic powers on a 4+ goodbye. :( I can think of about a half-dozen things they could/should do for codex, but honestly, if all they did was add in anti-air tools you could probably keep the codex fairly good throughout sixth. They will re-do rune priests, which will be awesome if they get both biomancy and divination (takin' two ML2 rune priests erry match). Personally I'd like to see some tweaking on TWC and a way to add extra wounds to a long fang unit (fenrisian wolves maybe?), but I'm not sure we'll get those. They'll probably lower costs on bloodclaws, re-do SCs, and fix termie costs though, and that'll be nice.
It'll also be interesting to see how they handle Chapter Tactics in non-UM books. I'm guessing they just say counter-attack and acute senses are the CT rules and call it a day.
Orks codex needs an update, so that'll be nice, and likely very fun to read.
Also, interested to see how they deal with IG flyers.
MetalOxide wrote: Games Workshop page appears to be up, but very slow. Such bad quality service.
Same for me. Must be bandwidth issues related to the sheer amount of traffic. Perhaps they underestimated how many people on the Internet already knew about their "big secret"... I'll be going into my local GW to do pre-orders in half an hour, will be interesting to see if that's affected too, since as far as I can tell it all goes through the same site...
Even before the site went down, when I was on it their html was all over the place, full screen pics loading in the wrong places etc etc. Somethings going on all the same, and because of it they're really losing out.
I wonder if they didn't put the regular codex on there yet intentionally, hoping the desperate sheeple will go for the insanely priced one instead when they don't see it.
DogofWar1 wrote: GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.
They've done that very thing countless times before with other kits and didn't seem to care if people were outraged or not. "Our product is the best in the woooorld!" is all the justification they've ever needed.
DogofWar1 wrote: GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.
They've done that very thing countless times before with other kits and didn't seem to care if people were outraged or not. "Our product is the best in the woooorld!" is all the justification they've ever needed.
i had a GW rep point out to me that a box of gaunts was cheaper than before (This was YEARS ago, after the gaunts were split from the original two-in-one set they came in). After chuckling and pointing out that Gaunts used to be $1 each, literally $32 CAD for 16 hormagaunts and 16 termagaunts, and the price had changed to $36 for 16 of EITHER termagaunts OR Hormagaunts the customer service flatlined. They don't seem to take well to customers that have a memory of more than one week.
Adendum: looked at the new tactical box. the combi-bolter is to be praised. I'm miffed about the rest of the box, and there's some glaring bad decisions there. And what in seven bloody hells are those 3 proto-dreadnoughts? $100??? I think I'll just grab some terminators and "true-scale" them, thank-you-very-much....
Ended up opting for a codex, a Tac squad and a Sternguard squad. All for £67, if only they'd released for their August release it would have been far more but saving up for GD, gotta love the HH.
Was sorely tempted to get an IF cover but after seeing the actual pic I decided it wasn't worth it at the price, especially when I realised that the cover was just an image from the inside of the book.
If I was a Salamander or a UM I may have been tempted but not with that boring IF cover.
I pounced on the generic SM Codex tonight on order!! I play BA's so I see that there were about 4 to 5 chapter dedicated codice, seeing that I'm assuming a BA Codex will be out sooner...or rather later than sooner... Yes I'm a bit impatient.
I am really looking forward to an Orc Codex.
Well, it looks like Sept 7th won't come soon enough!! I did not order any of the new Marines or vehicles, I have plenty to do as seen in my projects in my gallery... sigh.
Automatically Appended Next Post: MAN! There is a lot of whining about GW! Why the devil?! I mean it's our hobby, if you don't like it leave it!! Play cards...
Yeah, I remember when a box of 30 Marines was $25... many many moons ago, so were many many other game companies who have all come and gone and I was left with a handful of models and empty promises. Ogre to name one... Really liked that one.
Look at it this way, we will all buy a little bit and in the time we save up for the next kit we'll have the recent purchase completed and on the table. end of
MAN! There is a lot of whining about GW! Why the devil?! I mean it's our hobby, if you don't like it leave it!! Play cards...
Yeah, I remember when a box of 30 Marines was $25... many many moons ago, so were many many other game companies who have all come and gone and I was left with a handful of models and empty promises. Ogre to name one... Really liked that one.
Look at it this way, we will all buy a little bit and in the time we save up for the next kit we'll have the recent purchase completed and on the table. end of
Agree that it's our hobby [I assume by hobby you mean 40k/Warhammer, there are other games]. I've been doing this for nearly 30 years and have been a loyal GW customer all of that time. I'm sure I'm not alone in being an avid consumer of GW products. Our reward for being loyal customers? Outrageous price hikes which stick two fingers up at people who love the whole 40k universe. Spent hundreds of hours creating a White Scars army on bikes, lovingly painted it up and want to add a themed codex? £70 please. DOUBLE the price of a standard codex for a dust jacket and gold paint on the edges of the pages.
I don't play marines so won't be buying any of these [I do really like the sculpts except for the Centurions, my favourite is the librarian with cherub]. If I wanted to buy some marines just to paint up I would get them from Forge World, who's prices actually seem reasonable in comparison and do [often far] superior sculpts.
I do however worry that new entrants to Warhammer will be put off by the prices and choose the cheaper alternatives such as computer games, and our hobby will die. It's always been a bit expensive but these prices are prohibitive. I've seen it happen. At my last gaming club the majority switched to Warmachine/Hordes mostly in response to the GW price increases/codex creep and it was impossible to get a game of 40k.
Because it's totally reasonable to reduce everyone's criticisms to whining, and not seeming to understand that instead of berating people over such opinions. You yourself are whining, and by your own logic, you really should be leaving.
Back on topic, while both the Sternguard and Tactical box set's look great, the price tag is pretty unreasonable. Even more so for the plastic HQ's, which at £18 per fig are simply ludicrous. Though I'll try and see if any of the online retailers are offering a good discount.
I've seen prices go up in many hobbies and many brands. That's not the issue. The issue is the BS and selling of .. Umm...dog extract... As gourmet chocolate. I did the math, and, what, $140 just to get the rules to play the game? Buy the full edition rules and limited edition army book and you are sitting at $240-260... And that's just the rules, and discounting DV. It's no Longer justifiably arguable that it's branding, the pricing is getting just ludicrous... That's not what *I* was getting at anyway. What I was getting at is that GW will gak into its own mouth before breathing and raving into your face expecting you to believe it was a breath mint they had. I have a huge beef with their pricing, but that isn't the deal breaker for me. It's the endless stram of BS and the treatment ofr customers like troglodytic nincmpoop expendable minions that did it for me.
So those characters are rather expensive, but the librarian is nice. It has separate legs and arms so it is easy to repose and combine with other kits.
I'm not sure why people are so excited a out the sternguard. £30 seems to be a lot for what you're getting. But then, I haven't seen the sprue pics, just white dwarf. I suppose 8 combiweapons may be helpful... Maybe. I remain unconvinced.
On the other hand, I might buy a new tactical squad for the extra combiweapon and mixing in with my other unassembled marines.
Vanguard seem unnecessary in my circumstances. I bought most of their relevant bits 2 years ago.
Centurions still look pants and 'arms crossed over their chests' just raises more questions.
Truth is, since I've got so many of the blood angels bits second hand, I just don't really see the need for getting any of these new releases except maybe the hunter/stalker if it ends up in 3 months time being a 'required' unit.
Apocalypse Damnos expansion and the codex seems to be all I need.
@ imposter. Not if these go like the current releases have been. If the new stuff is all coming out under "direct order only".... I haven't followed this thread or any of the other relevant N&R, but memory indicates a precedent...
Combi weapons are undervalued. Not sure about the new dex, but giving your squad melta guns or plasma guns with the ability to retain access to special ammunition for the bolters? That level of flexibility is handy, especially against an unknown opponent. The kicker is that with some clever converting, a combi weapon becomes a full-fledged specialist weapon. I'm seriously considering lifting my boycott to get my. Hands on a few sets of combi-weapons...
Sethorly wrote: Would you mind listing good online discounters for a UK buyer please? Or is that not allowed here?
Don't see why it wouldn't be. Dark Sphere are great. Wayland's good. Those are the only two I really know of other than Total Wargamer (but, judging by the thread in discussions, this company are fething up big time).
Sethorly wrote: Would you mind listing good online discounters for a UK buyer please? Or is that not allowed here?
http://totalwargamer.co.uk/ - this is the one I use, I think it's possibly the cheapest with 25-30% off. Shipping can be a bit slow so you need to keep on top of them.
poda_t wrote: @ imposter. Not if these go like the current releases have been. If the new stuff is all coming out under "direct order only".... I haven't followed this thread or any of the other relevant N&R, but memory indicates a precedent...
Yeah, even with the discounts, the one piece plastic figures are simply too expensive to justify. Also, @ Compel;
Sethorly wrote: Would you mind listing good online discounters for a UK buyer please? Or is that not allowed here?
http://totalwargamer.co.uk/ - this is the one I use, I think it's possibly the cheapest with 25-30% off. Shipping can be a bit slow so you need to keep on top of them.
Cheers. I think I'll stick with my first instincts though. Having a bunch of Blood Angels kits, there's no real need for me to get the sternguard one. Especially since I've got quite a bits box developed from 14 years, plus eBay.
Sethorly wrote: Would you mind listing good online discounters for a UK buyer please? Or is that not allowed here?
http://totalwargamer.co.uk/ - this is the one I use, I think it's possibly the cheapest with 25-30% off. Shipping can be a bit slow so you need to keep on top of them.
Don't Use TWG For GW Orders!
There are waay too many people waiting for orders, spread over three threads at least, in the Discussions forum.
One guy I believe is still waiting for, or only recently received, his Eldar pre-order.
There's issues there, whether they be TWG or GW issues, can't really say, but as the consumer, that's irrelevant.
I will echo Dark Sphere (where I've already ordered my book) or Wayland. Buddy of mine swears by Firestorm Games too, but can't attest to that personally.
Its mid morning on Saturday in the UK, I expect the issues on the US site have moved over as more people fall asleep/wake up in various places, I had no issues looking at the pre order stuff at 2am, can get the page to even open now.
livanbard wrote: ok, is the digital codex out? Even if I got the book, brazillian taxes will kill me.
Send a note to GW making it clear that they have to state that the contents of your package are written material - books. This way brazilian customs cannot tax you. They probably will, anyway, but you have to present support documents to prove that you're buying a book. It will take longer for the Codex to reach you, but you'll not pay more for that.
Compel wrote: I wonder, if someone is desperate for the limited edition codex, it's worth going into GW stores to get it.
Presumably they're on a VPN and so should be able to get into the site directly.
Lol.
I keep odd hours, in future I may offer an "order your LE thing for you" service, where I go on the UK site at 4am in the morning and secure said item with minimal fuss and before the masses are even conscious.
Is the sticker shock on these all that surprising?
Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?
The quality and look of the models is moot. People are invested in the hobby and will typically stay that way -- at least in my area, 40k is the only tabletop game that people play. I have a sizable Warmachine army now, but can't even get anyone else to try it. Rather disappointing.
Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?
It's always been an expensive hobby, but this is the first time I've ever winced when I opened the prices. £18 for a single character model is ridiculous, that used to buy you a tactical squad when I first started with GW.
DogofWar1 wrote: GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.
They've done that very thing countless times before with other kits and didn't seem to care if people were outraged or not. "Our product is the best in the woooorld!" is all the justification they've ever needed.
In this instance, the new Tactical Squad kit is a significant improvement. It is not a small change.
The price increase for the kit is surprisingly small given GW's usual practice.
Everyone has their own opinion on the right price for the kit but this one bothers me far, far less than most of their offerings.
I'm in for a regular codex and a Sternguard set. I don't need the other new kits, and I need different models (Drop Pod, Razorbacks, TFC) to round out my list.
Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?
Well, I know what happened with me.
All the prices are usually listed in $, and, say what you like, it doesn't feel like real money to a Brit, plus we don't know what the colonial tax is going to be on some items.
When I looked at a LE codex with £70.00 Add To Cart? On the page, that is when it all became very real, and that is when a nice cover and piece of ribbon became a lot less appealing.
Thing is, I'd have paid £50 without thinking about it, but this is just too much, especially as, have some have said already, it won't be worth anything in an edition, so I can't even think of it as an "investment"
Because it's totally reasonable to reduce everyone's criticisms to whining, and not seeming to understand that instead of berating people over such opinions. You yourself are whining, and by your own logic, you really should be leaving.
Back on topic, while both the Sternguard and Tactical box set's look great, the price tag is pretty unreasonable. Even more so for the plastic HQ's, which at £18 per fig are simply ludicrous. Though I'll try and see if any of the online retailers are offering a good discount.
Didn't you piss your pants in another thread over me saying that people are just complaining about the price?
Plastic molds are more expensive than finecast molds. Also imo, the increase in durability is easily worth that extra £3, and the librarian is a fething sweet model. I probably wouldn't bother with the captain and chaplain at that price, but the librarian is definitely worth it.
It makes perfect sense, Bubber. GW are SAVING you money.
Between fuel costs and parking charges for the town centre coming to more than the £3, buying the plastic librarian saves you money by you not needing to return the finecast one.
The GW site is having issues due to the sheer number of neckbeards wanting to get their hands on a codex with a special £35 dust jacket that matches the colour of their little plastic army men.
I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.
It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.
Medium of Death wrote: I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.
It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.
Yeah, the covers are a nice idea and the art looks pretty cool but there is no way I am paying £70 for it just so I could have a book that matches my army.
Medium of Death wrote: I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.
It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.
Yet, the current state of the site says they've still got sufficient numbers of people falling over themselves to give them their money.
Hell, until I got an "add to cart" reality check, I was almost one of them.
This is kind of sad. I was planning on the Ultramarines LE book. Easily justifiable, as I'm building and painting an Ultramarines battle company right now, and the release coincides with that, so why not? But at $115, I can get the regular codex, a box of the new sternguard and still have change left over for the bus...
geez. I still wouldn't mind having it, but $115 for the same book is a bit to hard to swallow. Probably going to have to pass. At least the regular dex has UM on the cover...
Medium of Death wrote: I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.
It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.
Yet, the current state of the site says they've still got sufficient numbers of people falling over themselves to give them their money.
Hell, until I got an "add to cart" reality check, I was almost one of them.
To be fair, it could be a lot of people looking at the new shiny. We have no way to say how many are converting in to sales. In saying that, you're probably correct. Still boggles the mind.
I remember years back when GW really started getting into producing plastic models & sited that plastics would lead to cheaper minis. Maybe that was the original motivation but it seems to have been lost along the way.
Probably due to old duffers like me that still have the original Lib models in lead & not really needing replacements & therefore having to increase the proffit margins to make up for fewer sales. But then I don't work in marketing.
Sidstyler wrote: I still think the new tac squad was a waste. Not only that but I'm more than a little ticked that GW thought it was necessary to replace the tac squad with a kit that looks almost exactly the same (until you start looking really close), but Tau crisis suits and Eldar jetbikes were good as-is.
Eh, it's a money thing. GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.
In fairness to GW, lots of people were precisely wishing for new Tactical squad box: poses in the old ones were disliked and it didn't have enough weapons options. Besides, with every starter set containing tactical marines, they're one of the easiest items to get cheap on secondary market.
I'm loving the new vet kits and the tactical squad, so many more options than before, people can knock GW all they want but there is a lot of stuff in these boxes, these are some of the best kits I have seen for a while and the prices dont seem as bad as I thought they would be.
Apart from the two HQ's, £18 for a single plastic mini ? That one takes the **** in my book.
bubber wrote: I remember years back when GW really started getting into producing plastic models & sited that plastics would lead to cheaper minis. Maybe that was the original motivation but it seems to have been lost along the way.
Probably due to old duffers like me that still have the original Lib models in lead & not really needing replacements & therefore having to increase the proffit margins to make up for fewer sales. But then I don't work in marketing.
I'm an old duffer like yourself (albeit one who ended up parting company with all his minis when I left 10 years ago) but I totally understand where you're coming from.
Know what would convince you to part company with your cash for another Libby to replace the one you have?
A really awesome sculpt of a Librarian
But GW doesn't take many risks these days, so they don't deviate from what they know works, at least well enough for their purposes.
I made the same point with the Eldar release, it is why we got a Wraithknight and not a new Avatar (FW toe stepping aside, a better example would be a model without a FW equivalent, but meh)
A replacement kit has to be sufficiently good to persuade those who own an original model to replace it, a new kit doesn't have those pressures.
I think that the fact that the only updated replacement kit we've gotten in some time is the hugely ubiquitous Tac Squad supports this theory.
But GW doesn't take many risks these days, so they don't deviate from what they know works, at least well enough for their purposes.
I made the same point with the Eldar release, it is why we got a Wraithknight and not a new Avatar (FW toe stepping aside, a better example would be a model without a FW equivalent, but meh)
Wait? What?
So things like the Wraithknight or the Centurions are "not taking many risks", but Forge World phoning in save bets like an Eldar Avatar or the gazillionth variant Space Marine for the Horus Heresy is?
But GW doesn't take many risks these days, so they don't deviate from what they know works, at least well enough for their purposes.
I made the same point with the Eldar release, it is why we got a Wraithknight and not a new Avatar (FW toe stepping aside, a better example would be a model without a FW equivalent, but meh)
Wait? What?
So things like the Wraithknight or the Centurions are "not taking many risks", but Forge World phoning in save bets like an Eldar Avatar or the gazillionth variant Space Marine for the Horus Heresy is?
Way to misunderstand my point, dude!
Just to clarify, it is easier to keep churning out the shiny, which means all your customers might buy it, than revisit something, when if you don't do a good enough job to get people excited, people may choose to hang on to what they have.
How many Eldar players owned a Wraithknight before the new codex hit? Compare that to how many owned an Avatar.
I wonder if it would be possible to get a fairly good resolution copy of one of the LE covers, print it onto some nice glossy paper, plastic duskjacket, then pass your own standard codex off as the expensive one?
Did you or did you not just say that GW breaking new grounds with things like Wraithknights or Centurions isn't taking any risks? If those releases aren't the things you'd consider taking risks by stepping out of the established 40K comfort zone, what would've been?
Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?
It's always been an expensive hobby, but this is the first time I've ever winced when I opened the prices. £18 for a single character model is ridiculous, that used to buy you a tactical squad when I first started with GW.
Honestly, you guys sound like old men complaining how much the Beano is now.
But how comes this is the first time you've ever winced once opening up the prices? I mean, £18 is about twice as much I'd pay for that lump of plastic[b], no matter how detailed it is. Add to that the Captain looks EXACTLY like the one from AOBR which you can get for several pounds on the internet.
Just to clarify, it is easier to keep churning out the shiny, which means all your customers might buy it, than revisit something, when if you don't do a good enough job to get people excited, people may choose to hang on to what they have.
How many Eldar players owned a Wraithknight before the new codex hit? Compare that to how many owned an Avatar.
Umm, what? This release has gazillionth new variant of
-Tactical marines
-Power armour captain
-Librarian
-Sternguard
-Vanguard
So I dunno, if that is not "revisiting something", then what is?
Did you or did you not just say that GW breaking new grounds with things like Wraithknights or Centurions isn't taking any risks? If those releases aren't the things you'd consider taking risks by stepping out of the established 40K comfort zone, what would've been?
How many Eldar players owned a Wraithknight before the new codex hit? Compare that to how many owned an Avatar.
Or Wraithguard? Or a Farseer? Or, ya know, goddman Tactical Marines!!!
It is.
His point was that it is a safer bet, financially, for GW to release new kits which nobody owns old versions of -which will sell based on a myriad of reasons from the increasingly rare "that's a genuinely fantastic model" all the way to "the rules for that are awesome"-, than it is to release newer versions of old kits which have to rely entirely on a combination of quality and the subjective appreciation of their existing customers to make sales.
Yodhrin wrote: , than it is to release newer versions of old kits which have to rely entirely on a combination of quality and the subjective appreciation of their existing customers to make sales.
If that is the argument, he willfully neglected the recent releases of things like Wraithguard, Farseers, Pathfinders, Broadsides, and.. in the new Space Marines release, pretty much everything except Centurions and the new Tanks, most famously a re-making of the Tactical Marines, easily the most-sold GW kit ever that literally nobody who has ever been in touch with GW will ever truly "need" outside from the aesthetic appreciation of the minor updates done to this kit.
Indeed, following this logic, there is literally nothing (!) in the GW range - 40k or Fantasy or Specialist Games - that would incur a "greater risk" than re-doing Tactical Marines.
Did you or did you not just say that GW breaking new grounds with things like Wraithknights or Centurions isn't taking any risks? If those releases aren't the things you'd consider taking risks by stepping out of the established 40K comfort zone, what would've been?
How many Eldar players owned a Wraithknight before the new codex hit? Compare that to how many owned an Avatar.
Or Wraithguard? Or a Farseer? Or, ya know, goddman Tactical Marines!!!
Why not do new Jetbikes for the Eldar release? People seem to be desperate for them?
"Because there's already a jetbike model that'll do, here, have a new flier"
No, I don't think a giant robot or anything labelled Space Marine is taking any sort of risk, not really.
Neither is a single sprue, mono pose HQ with a massive mark up.
Ok, I might have to concede slightly on the Wraith-whatevers, but even then, they took a popular unit, and made it more affordable (while no doubt maintaining their margin at the very least)
Look, say what you like, we are of course, discussing largely subjective things here, but I find each successive GW release, probably since Dark Eldar, which were so nice they convinced me not to just pick up the odd model to paint, as had been my intention when restarting the hobby, but to collect a whole army again, to be progressively more populated with daft, childish stuff that is so clearly aimed at the tween gamer it makes me squint, because that is GW's comfort zone and they seem very much set on taking the path of least resistance and just making the easy money, rather than pushing things forward.
Forge World, on the other hand, consistently make things I find interesting. This shows that GW clearly have the talent in house to shake things up, but they still seem to have two very different styles for the two divisions. While, even as a SM player, I think they are guilty of focusing too hard on the Marine side, I guess because the HH project has got away from them a bit, if they plan on as many releases for each book, its going to get silly, they are still making new and interesting looking models, even for the most common or garden GW factions.
Oh, and I think we can discount any material transition, GW have made no secret of wanting to be an all plastic manufacturing company, so anything that moved from metal or Finecast to plastic is as much about their wants and needs and likely any benefit to the consumer is at best only a factor and at worst merely a side effect.
A little bit of goal moving I'll put my hands up to, but when I saw the list that Zwei put up, it jumped out at me.
Why not do new Jetbikes for the Eldar release? People seem to be desperate for them?
"Because there's already a jetbike model that'll do, here, have a new flier"
No, I don't think a giant robot or anything labelled Space Marine is taking any sort of risk, not really.
Neither is a single sprue, mono pose HQ with a massive mark up.
Dude. Now you are cherry picking.
New models like the Wraithknight or Centurions aren't a risk?
But re-doing old models like the Farseer or Tac Marines isn't a risk either?
But a new mono-pose Avatar (which is pretty much a giant robot too, well a golem-type robot I guess) would've qualified for being risky?
Jeez.
If you group the models they didn't make (old or new) into "risky" and those they did make (old or new, including the plastic-to-plastic Tac Marines) into "not risky", the whole argument is a tautology.
Hedgehog wrote: Can anyone tell if the Stalker and Hunter guns share any pieces in common?
I'm wondering if you can make both and simply swap the guns and top plates...
You can make both from what I can tell of the sprue pics.
That's what I think too.
That is pretty nice if true - being able to assemble both and choose which one to field, or even do both if you've got a spare rhino chassis knocking about, would be handy.
I'm thinking a HK missile might be a good idea on these - that way you can still shoot something at normal BS even if there isn't a flyer or skimmer around.
Void_walker wrote: Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but the iBook version actually has an army builder in it for the SM digital dex.
Nifty idea but think a little late with the idea considering some of the other army builder products on the market
Wait what now.....The ibook ones might start coming with an army builder......Well damn that is handy as hell, especially if they do the rules pop up functionality
The ITunes store has the new painting guide for Space Marines: Tactical Marines.
It was free when I saw it. The only chapters are UM, White Scars, Iron Hands, and Imperial Fists with single page entries for Black Templars, Brazen Claws, and Invaders.
EDIT: The separate painting guides for the new vehicles, Sternguard, Vanguard, and Centurions are $2.99 USD.
There is also a 204 page painting guide for Space Marines that costs $21.99 USD and is available on 7 September. It appears to include all of the contents of the smaller guides.
Void_walker wrote: Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but the iBook version actually has an army builder in it for the SM digital dex.
Nifty idea but think a little late with the idea considering some of the other army builder products on the market
Whoa. Just... whoa. GW have been dragging their feet on a whole slew of issues for years, and this year it seems like they've turned around and gone, "You know what, let's just DO it." While there's still a lot of room for quibbling, this edition has seen the release of e-Rules, with rules pop-ups, 360 views, automatically updated FAQs and now an army builder? And now they're releasing the books in Kindle and Mobi formats as well through the Black Library site. And these versions are becoming cheaper than the printed version. I never thought I'd see it, but I have to take my hat off to them, they've done a great job.
Oh wait, they're a different company that got outsourced this job, aren't they? Well kudos to them, then, whoever they are.
As for leaving it a little late, I think the convenience of just being able to click on it and make an army list from your own iCodex with links to the right up-to-date rules built in will be a huge boost. And hey, it comes with the codex so why wouldn't you use it if you're going to get one anyway?
Also Itunes takes a flat 30% of any sales thats why it is more expensive than the kindle versions. But you get additional functionality from it so trade offs.
Leth wrote: Also Itunes takes a flat 30% of any sales thats why it is more expensive than the kindle versions. But you get additional functionality from it so trade offs.
Almost all of which functionality can be replicated quite readily by using embedded Flash in the epub versions, but we likely won't see that because then there's be no reason for people to buy the more expensive Apple version.
Well that is the pic of their army builder. Big copy of the dex is 104 in Oz and gives you pretty much all the extras that is coming out so painting guides and alternate mission books 1 and 2. So not bad value really
Is it wrong that I looked at the army builder screenshot and thought:
HFs on Tacs? No beacon option for the pod?
It does look very slick though. But it needs to be accurate, and the output options will make or break it IMHO. If it gets good reviews, I might spring for it. But I do prefer the old fashioned paper codex. Features like this are real value added though, for the digital versions. If I want 360s, I can hit GWs website. Dakka has plenty of painting guides. But an up to date army builder, without any hoop jumping, is something real. Sure, I can (and do) use army builder and battlescribe, but have issues with them both. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Any having luck with the site yet? I finally got on and the cart button wouldn't work, so I reloaded and it worked, but then it automatically updated it to 16 books and now the site is down again. This is no way to run a business.
I don't like the new captain. He's basically a gakky rehash of the AoBR captain for $30. Not worth it IMO. I also don't like that th only way you can get the chaplain is in that $90 box. Sure, it's actually a decent deal, but it still grinds my gears.
Well that is the pic of their army builder. Big copy of the dex is 104 in Oz and gives you pretty much all the extras that is coming out so painting guides and alternate mission books 1 and 2. So not bad value really
Am I the only one tickled by the prospect of finding that page in the back of the dead tree book?!
Medium of Death wrote: They call it a shakey business model that's starting to alienate their fans/customers
Claims to that effect have been repeated since the 80s. And much to their detractor's surprise the company stays in business every year.
And much to the detractors' lack of surprise, people still don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between "going by their financial reports, their strategy probably isn't sustainable in the long-term" and "Doooom, DOOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! GW is going to collapse within the next eight minutes because God is angry that Kirby molested a kitten, DOOOOOOM!"
Why not do new Jetbikes for the Eldar release? People seem to be desperate for them?
"Because there's already a jetbike model that'll do, here, have a new flier"
Actually they ran out of budget to do both new jetbikes AND new Wraithguard so Jes Goodwin went with the Wraithguard because they actually have more options now than they used too, while the bikes did not at that point in time. We'll likely see the new bikes eventually, just not right now.
Medium of Death wrote: They call it a shakey business model that's starting to alienate their fans/customers
Claims to that effect have been repeated since the 80s. And much to their detractor's surprise the company stays in business every year.
And much to the detractors' lack of surprise, people still don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between "going by their financial reports, their strategy probably isn't sustainable in the long-term" and "Doooom, DOOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! GW is going to collapse within the next eight minutes because God is angry that Kirby molested a kitten, DOOOOOOM!"
The real question is how long is "long-term"? Because as long as GW has been publishing things people have been saying their business model can't last. Heck they were saying that BEFORE that too from what I hear.
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Void_walker wrote: Don't know if anyone has noticed yet but the iBook version actually has an army builder in it for the SM digital dex.
Nifty idea but think a little late with the idea considering some of the other army builder products on the market
That was an idea that was pitched to them at the "Enter the Citadel" and they liked it, so I'm glad to see it made it. Now I wonder how well it works.
When the new plastic Farseer came out for $20, I thought, "It's a little pricy, but looks nice, easy to convert, I'll buy one"
Fast forward a few months...
New plastic SM characters. $30. Similar place in the army, and detail. Why the MASSIVE price increase over the comparable product from just a few months ago? Sure, they are a little bigger, and have a spare head to swap out, but that does not justify that kind of mark up.
Now, if the librarian had an option to swap the staff out for a force sword/axe/spear, or the chaplain came with both a normal backpack and a jump pack, I could see $30. It wouldn't be the fully customizable captain kit, but would help justify the crazy price hike.
And the captain is not just competing with the old multi-kit, but the finecast apoc captains from last month.
The box sets don't bother me. The prices are normal for GW. We didn't get an across the board price hike this year, so we knew the new stuff was going to creep up. But the characters are off the curve.
I for one think the new prices are fine, and in fact I see them as being entirely justified. I think many people jump at the price tag and forget that we are talking about QUALITY models here, not just any old sculpts. GW models are for the hobbyist who values his miniatures, not for those that would prefer poor quality "miniatures". GW miniatures really are the best miniatures in the world. It's hardly even disputable (just take a look at the amount of detail and sheer character on the new centurion models before you argue). I wish the GW haters would just stop hating on GW.
Anyway, the librarian and commander look absolutely fantastic! The centurions look amazing, and the one click mega bundle looks like something I just can't resist lol. Can't wait to place an order when the site stabilizes (no doubt due to the plebs oogling at all those new sculpts they call "overpriced").
Why the massive hike? Because apparently being GW's favored son is also a curse. Marines are so popular that GW can get even more fething stupid with their prices and it won't matter because people will buy it anyway, judging by how easily their site broke.
I just went to the nearest GW store to order up my Sternguard. The guys there told me they had just one guy working on the servers in the weekend... one guy.
I wanted the Librarian with the Cherub but then I saw the price of 25 euros and had to say no.
So is that image above actually legit? (The army builder.) They seem to have lost the Lascannon and gained a Heavy Flamer? And what's with the Seargent instead of just Sergant.
Medium of Death wrote: They call it a shakey business model that's starting to alienate their fans/customers
Claims to that effect have been repeated since the 80s. And much to their detractor's surprise the company stays in business every year.
And much to the detractors' lack of surprise, people still don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between "going by their financial reports, their strategy probably isn't sustainable in the long-term" and "Doooom, DOOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! GW is going to collapse within the next eight minutes because God is angry that Kirby molested a kitten, DOOOOOOM!"
Agree with this comment as some of those people who are so anti GW they are just like the glorified apoligists who tells us that GW does no wrong. So extreme the two point are that they are similar in nature on how they approach something.
KirbyFan wrote: I for one think the new prices are fine, and in fact I see them as being entirely justified. I think many people jump at the price tag and forget that we are talking about QUALITY models here, not just any old sculpts. GW models are for the hobbyist who values his miniatures, not for those that would prefer poor quality "miniatures". GW miniatures really are the best miniatures in the world. It's hardly even disputable (just take a look at the amount of detail and sheer character on the new centurion models before you argue). I wish the GW haters would just stop hating on GW.
Anyway, the librarian and commander look absolutely fantastic! The centurions look amazing, and the one click mega bundle looks like something I just can't resist lol. Can't wait to place an order when the site stabilizes (no doubt due to the plebs oogling at all those new sculpts they call "overpriced").
Sorry. GW does not make "the best miniatures in the world". There are many companies that are producing better models. Corvus Belli' Infinity range springs to mind. As for justifying the price, again, I disagree. It's blatant cash grab because Space Marines outsell everything else they produce. But, to each his own. If you are happy to pay their prices, good on ya.
KirbyFan wrote: I for one think the new prices are fine, and in fact I see them as being entirely justified. I think many people jump at the price tag and forget that we are talking about QUALITY models here, not just any old sculpts. GW models are for the hobbyist who values his miniatures, not for those that would prefer poor quality "miniatures". GW miniatures really are the best miniatures in the world. It's hardly even disputable (just take a look at the amount of detail and sheer character on the new centurion models before you argue). I wish the GW haters would just stop hating on GW.
Anyway, the librarian and commander look absolutely fantastic! The centurions look amazing, and the one click mega bundle looks like something I just can't resist lol. Can't wait to place an order when the site stabilizes (no doubt due to the plebs oogling at all those new sculpts they call "overpriced").
Sorry. GW does not make "the best miniatures in the world". There are many companies that are producing better models. Corvus Belli' Infinity range springs to mind. As for justifying the price, again, I disagree. It's blatant cash grab because Space Marines outsell everything else they produce. But, to each his own. If you are happy to pay their prices, good on ya.
Obvious troll post from user Kirby Fan was obvious
40k Radio must be tired of answering my questions because they ignored mine, but here are ones they did answer:
Q: What does the Auspex do?
A: Instead of shooting the model can reduce the cover save of a unit by 1, range 12".
Q: Who can take an Auspex?
A: Anyone who can take Special Issue Wargear
Q: What's the range for the Primarch's Wrath bolter?
A: 24"
Q: The Relic armor, what kind of armor is it exactly?
A: Artificer armor
Q: How many bikes can take special weapons? Is it 1 in 5?
A: Up to 2 models.
Q: Since you didn't mention Storm Shields for Chapter Masters and Captains, I am assuming they are still available at the same price as before as well?
A: SS are the same
Q: Also, are Storm Shields available for Libbies in power armour too now (at 10 pts per)?
A: Librarians only get it in Termie armor
Follow-up: You could always take the Chapter Relic SS.
Q: Can chapter masters and captains take relic blades and can they take them with terminator armor?
A: Yes, the option is in their profile, but Terminator armor Captains and Chapter Masters do not have access to Relic Blades.
Q: What's the limit on Relics?
A: Only one of each per army.
Q: Did I hear you right? The captain comes in artificer armor? Or does it the option for it?
A: He has the option to buy it for 20 points.
Q: So I can take 2 relics on one character?
A: Yes, but it'll be pricey.
Q: If I'm playing Black Templars, do I have to take an Emperor's Champion?
A: No, the Emperor's Champion is not mandatory.
Paradigm wrote: I think a 'Lightening claw' is a weapon put out to counter Grav-guns. The Gravs make you heavier, so presumably the claw 'lightens' you ....
Wyrmalla wrote: So is that "collection manager" a fake, or is GW just so terrible at error checking? There's at least eight errors in the Tactical squad entry alone.
It is 100% legit from the iBook library itself as they always give a few teaser pics of what you are getting.....ask someone with an iPad to have a look yourself.
I did notice there was a few spelling mistakes, but as always there is a few changes before the final product. I've bought a few and they even had the odd mistake in them.
Ouze wrote: the cherub on the Librarian, which sadly doesn't look super easy to remove.
You looked at the parts layout, right?
it's separate.
I did yesterday but it looked like all those scrolls and stuff are really on there, I didn't realize until looking again just now that the little shield it was carrying wasn't the shoulderpad and it's totally unattached - so, my mistake; and thank you. Now the only models in this release I don't like are the Centurions. Speaking of "looking again" at those sprue images
juanjopotro wrote:If you have problem to access to GW' site we have collected all the images here
Well that is the pic of their army builder. Big copy of the dex is 104 in Oz and gives you pretty much all the extras that is coming out so painting guides and alternate mission books 1 and 2. So not bad value really
Am I the only one tickled by the prospect of finding that page in the back of the dead tree book?!
Why is telion a seperate entry?! Can I buy him solo now?!
Dinamarth wrote: Am I wrong to not believe there are only 500 copies of each LE Codex?
From what I gather, yes. So instead of 2000 copies it's only 500 copies. I can see people paying over $200 on eBay for them. Espically the way the site is down, it's going to be really hard to get what LE you want.
Yup GWS web it still down , I have given up on trying to pre-order from then , I just pre-order a Regular codex version from Total Wargame for £28 with delivery. they have all the new releases way cheaper that from GWS website and they ship them on the 7th . So when i arrive in the Uk in the 18th i will have my new codex in my dinning table.
As a non-gamer I wouldn't really have a cause to be buying the Codex aside from the fluff/artwork content - which would be a huge waste of money. That said though, I would like to see GW release the LE covers as individual posters/prints whatever. They are pretty fething epic IMHO.
Well that is the pic of their army builder. Big copy of the dex is 104 in Oz and gives you pretty much all the extras that is coming out so painting guides and alternate mission books 1 and 2. So not bad value really
Is this an actual screenshot? If so, it looks very unprofessional to have multiple spelling mistakes on a promotional piece like this.
GarretAsh wrote: Yup GWS web it still down , I have given up on trying to pre-order from then , I just pre-order a Regular codex version from Total Wargame for £28 with delivery. they have all the new releases way cheaper that from GWS website and they ship them on the 7th . So when i arrive in the Uk in the 18th i will have my new codex in my dinning table.
From what 've read about Total Wargamer that might be slightly optimistic.
EA is a much bigger company than GW and had built the servers specifically for the game, and it turned out that they STILL couldn't handle the load. Heck, when World of Warcraft first launched it was so flooded with users that people couldn't get on and there were huge issues. So really GW's site issues aren't as bad as all that. If they're still having issues in a week, THEN we have more legitimate problems.
Dinamarth wrote: Am I wrong to not believe there are only 500 copies of each LE Codex?
Depends, why do you think that there's more then 500?
Actually.. that's an interesting point. I've made this point before after experience of working with company's that sell 'limited edition' items. Unless you have certification with the product that states that items number out of a total amount, then the 'LE' brand is meaningless beyond being a marketing element.
This is why you can have 'limited edition' packets of crisps, cans of Pepsi and other nonsense, technically it is no such thing.
So.. the clincher will be whether these special codecies have 'limited edition' certification contained with them. Otherwise, technically I don't think there is anything to stop GW making thousands of them - the only way you can run into trouble is if the certification sold with the items itself is not accurate (i.e. if it stated 'of a run of 100' but you actually made 1000 of them etc.)
I know BA codex won't be for at least a year, and I can't think of any reason to take Vanguards when they compete with Sterngaurds and Centurions, but that relic blade, that Relic Blade!
I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.
Dinamarth wrote: Am I wrong to not believe there are only 500 copies of each LE Codex?
Depends, why do you think that there's more then 500?
Actually.. that's an interesting point. I've made this point before after experience of working with company's that sell 'limited edition' items. Unless you have certification with the product that states that items number out of a total amount, then the 'LE' brand is meaningless beyond being a marketing element.
This is why you can have 'limited edition' packets of crisps, cans of Pepsi and other nonsense, technically it is no such thing.
So.. the clincher will be whether these special codecies have 'limited edition' certification contained with them. Otherwise, technically I don't think there is anything to stop GW making thousands of them - the only way you can run into trouble is if the certification sold with the items itself is not accurate (i.e. if it stated 'of a run of 100' but you actually made 1000 of them etc.)
GW does number all of it's Limited Editions (I've got a LE Rulebook because I thought it was awesome), but I don't know if there is an individual certification.
GarretAsh wrote: Yup GWS web it still down , I have given up on trying to pre-order from then , I just pre-order a Regular codex version from Total Wargame for £28 with delivery. they have all the new releases way cheaper that from GWS website and they ship them on the 7th . So when i arrive in the Uk in the 18th i will have my new codex in my dinning table.
From what 've read about Total Wargamer that might be slightly optimistic.
I LOL'd
Just got through to payment and then it went haywire, I'm left looking at some sort of table on a website from 'Cybersource Corporation'. Just want to give them £140 for two books. Can't believe how silly I sound
It stands to reason that unless people are heading off down to their local GW store to pre-order the LE editions, they too are experiencing difficulties getting onto the site. Hence, even if you can get click the cart button, it's still gonna take a while to get through the checkout stages.
Finally got onto the site.
I almost had a heart attack when I saw the prices, had to double check that I wasn't on the Australian page. There wasn't anything really exciting either...
Yup - I just about had an anaphylactic shock after seeing the price for the Centurions!
And am I right that they've removed their old line of Stern-/Vanguard sets. Aside from the finecast issues, of which I don't know if the 'guard sets suffered from them, I really liked the sculpts. It'd be a pity if they completely disappeared.
I dont understand where the shock for the centurrions is coming from?
Almost every kit that is similar size is more expensive, even in the plastics. That is not even getting into the finecast Remember each one is on a 50mm base
Tomb Spyders, More expensive - similar size - Plastic
3x crisis suits - smaller by far - 1 dollar less each
If I could access their site, I am sure I could find more examples.
You are getting enough bits to make two units with many different options. In addition as with all of these releases you are getting plenty of bits to convert other things and units if you so desired. Also it looks like the meltas and flamers will fit on a regular marine quite easily. I could go on.
Warpig1815 wrote:As a non-gamer I wouldn't really have a cause to be buying the Codex aside from the fluff/artwork content - which would be a huge waste of money. That said though, I would like to see GW release the LE covers as individual posters/prints whatever. They are pretty fething epic IMHO.
That... is a really good idea. I bought the Salamanders codex, and I would still buy it as a print.
Pacific wrote:Actually.. that's an interesting point. I've made this point before after experience of working with company's that sell 'limited edition' items. Unless you have certification with the product that states that items number out of a total amount, then the 'LE' brand is meaningless beyond being a marketing element.
This is why you can have 'limited edition' packets of crisps, cans of Pepsi and other nonsense, technically it is no such thing.
So.. the clincher will be whether these special codecies have 'limited edition' certification contained with them. Otherwise, technically I don't think there is anything to stop GW making thousands of them - the only way you can run into trouble is if the certification sold with the items itself is not accurate (i.e. if it stated 'of a run of 100' but you actually made 1000 of them etc.)
The product description notes that the back page is a numbered and signed certificate. I know getting to the descriptions is a bit of an issue with the server load, but I promise it's there!
edit: Product description from the page that was cached:
Limited to 500 copies, this special edition of Codex: Space Marines features a battle brother of Salamanders Chapter on the cover. Presented in a soft-touch hardback format, and wrapped in a clear dust jacket, the cover art is always on show.
Each of these 500 books features a numbered end paper and the Salamanders Chapter number and icon on the spine. Gold page edging and a green ribbon bookmark make this a sophisticated collector's piece.
Underline 2 shows the numbering.
Underline 1 does away with this "same book with a special dust jacket" drivel. It's a printed cover with a clear dust jacket.
In other news, HOLY CRAP GW is fast. I received the shipping notification today that my book is on its way!
Warpig1815 wrote: Yup - I just about had an anaphylactic shock after seeing the price for the Centurions!
And am I right that they've removed their old line of Stern-/Vanguard sets. Aside from the finecast issues, of which I don't know if the 'guard sets suffered from them, I really liked the sculpts. It'd be a pity if they completely disappeared.
I don't see why people are shocked about the centurions. Based on pics they're roughly dreadnought sized. $78 for three, so each is ~$26. Thats cheaper than the plastic Libby thats comming out.
Oh and looks like Crimsons Fists LE is sold out. Damn...
Warpig1815 wrote: Yup - I just about had an anaphylactic shock after seeing the price for the Centurions!
And am I right that they've removed their old line of Stern-/Vanguard sets. Aside from the finecast issues, of which I don't know if the 'guard sets suffered from them, I really liked the sculpts. It'd be a pity if they completely disappeared.
I don't see why people are shocked about the centurions. Based on pics they're roughly dreadnought sized. $78 for three, so each is ~$26. Thats cheaper than the plastic Libby thats comming out. .
And don't forget that you get 6 extra meltaguns and 6 extra flamers with that [Mod Edit - No Filter "work arounds" please - thanks!] box!
To be honest, this is the most impressed I've been with GW since starting up 40K. Now I'm no fanboy, but I do applaud them for rather sensibly moving back towards plastic - especially the Sternguard/Vanguard kits. Also, I like the way at the bottom of each new release, they're really plugging the 'unique miniatures' side of things. That kinda makes me think that a little bit of thought has gone into the production of these, not simply 'Here buy a kit, we really don't know what you'll do with it, but be sure to buy more later'. Now though, it seems somebody has twigged on that people tend to use bits all over the shop to kitbash and they've twigged on that people are more likely to buy them if they can use the spares on other projects. That, to me, speaks volumes.
@streamdragon - Holy Mother of God! I had a good idea!?! I would buy the codex, but it would be a waste of money for me.
Warpig1815 wrote: @streamdragon - Holy Mother of God! I had a good idea!?! I would buy the codex, but it would be a waste of money for me.
No. A really good idea. Then again, I'm the nerd who bought many of the lithographs Bioware put out for Mass Effect. That GW hasn't jumped on the poster train is really a surprising waste of good art.
In other news, HOLY CRAP GW is fast. I received the shipping notification today that my book is on its way!
I think this happened with 6th edition, back then I think it just meant that your order was sitting in their warehouse waiting to be shipped on the day of release.
In other news, HOLY CRAP GW is fast. I received the shipping notification today that my book is on its way!
I think this happened with 6th edition, back then I think it just meant that your order was sitting in their warehouse waiting to be shipped on the day of release.
Could be. Email said shipped on 31.08.2013, although I guess with no tracking information it makes sense it'd be sitting somewhere still.
So, stupid question... I don't play 40k, but I love the aesthetic, they've always been my favorite models to paint and display, etc...
How good of a value, relatively speaking, is the Strike-Force bundle? I love all the elements, and might even give the game a while if this is a playable amount of "stuff".
For frame of reference, I also own the previous 2-player starter... Black Reach? The one with Orks and Space Marines.
Two dreads, three tac squads, a scout squad, a terminator squad, a drop pod, a razorback and a captain. That goes a long way. It'd be interesting to see if command squads will be somewhat fun to play in the new 'dex and undoubtedly it'll hardly be the most competitive build ever but I'm sure you'll manage quite a few games with just that, casually.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Having never played 40k, would that Strike Force, plus my previous set, be enough for a decent sized game?
It should be, yes.
Captain x2
Command Squad
Dread x2
Terminator Squad
3x Tac Squad
Scout Squad
Assault Squad
Razorback
Drop Pod
With the current codex, that's about 1500 points completely naked. No options or upgrades what so ever. Depending on load out, you could do 1500 - 1750 easily. Could probably push 2,000 if you needed to, though it would naturally be a bit stretched.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Having never played 40k, would that Strike Force, plus my previous set, be enough for a decent sized game?
It should be, yes.
Captain x2
Command Squad
Dread x2
Terminator Squad
3x Tac Squad
Scout Squad
Assault Squad
Razorback
Drop Pod
With the current codex, that's about 1500 points completely naked. No options or upgrades what so ever. Depending on load out, you could do 1500 - 1750 easily. Could probably push 2,000 if you needed to, though it would naturally be a bit stretched.
Aye you would get 1750 out of it easily, so its more than enough.
Regardless, 1000-1500 is easily the most common number of points in a game right? I dont think ive ever had a game past 2000, so its more than ample aye.
Aye you would get 1750 out of it easily, so its more than enough.
Regardless, 1000-1500 is easily the most common number of points in a game right? I dont think ive ever had a game past 2000, so its more than ample aye.
Naturally it depends on the group, but we usually do 1750 - 2000ish point games. Take all night, but that's sort of the point.
Leth wrote: Also Itunes takes a flat 30% of any sales thats why it is more expensive than the kindle versions. But you get additional functionality from it so trade offs.
Almost all of which functionality can be replicated quite readily by using embedded Flash in the epub versions, but we likely won't see that because then there's be no reason for people to buy the more expensive Apple version.
Even though the apple version is only more expensive because Apple take a cut. So you think Games Workshop are trying to funnel sales into Apple products...why, exactly? Did they fake the moon landings too?
Warpig1815 wrote: As a non-gamer I wouldn't really have a cause to be buying the Codex aside from the fluff/artwork content - which would be a huge waste of money. That said though, I would like to see GW release the LE covers as individual posters/prints whatever. They are pretty fething epic IMHO.
That would be a great idea , i would probably buy one of each if they here not much expensive.
Perhaps GW is deliberately screwing with their site, making you think you won't be able to order the variant cover books in time and making everyone have a mad dash for their overpriced crap as soon as the site gets back up?!?!
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have always loved 40k fluff, aesthetics, etc... but always found myself scared off playing due to the legenday prices. As such i've played essentially every game BUT WH40.
However, I picked up the previous two-player box (its what I actually learned to paint on), and now find this bundle tempting. I was ready to drop $250 on random CMoN Kickstarter minis which I know i'd never play, so figure... what the hell, lets try this for real. :-p
Only problem is, i've got the LE Codex and Strikeforce sitting in my shopping cart, and it will not finish check-out. It keeps gaking the bed right on the final order confirmation/payment screen.
Well, i'm in the US, so as far as I know there are no US discounters online, are there?
Either way, I snagged it, and check-out finally worked once I stopped trying to check-out as a "Guest".
I'm honestly, oddly excited. Somehow this purchase feels much more "right" than throwing the same at CMoN for a game I know I dislike the rules for, and which would amount to a couple hundred minis for just plain painting purposes. Here i'll have a nice little chunk of painting, and turn my previous painting project into a proper playable army. Neat. :-)
Also, Dreadnaughts are my favorite "mini" in this entire hobby, across any game i've ever seen/played... so i'm happy to own another, anytime. :-)
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have always loved 40k fluff, aesthetics, etc... but always found myself scared off playing due to the legenday prices. As such i've played essentially every game BUT WH40.
However, I picked up the previous two-player box (its what I actually learned to paint on), and now find this bundle tempting. I was ready to drop $250 on random CMoN Kickstarter minis which I know i'd never play, so figure... what the hell, lets try this for real. :-p
Only problem is, i've got the LE Codex and Strikeforce sitting in my shopping cart, and it will not finish check-out. It keeps gaking the bed right on the final order confirmation/payment screen.
Yeah, id bite the bullet and take up 40k me mate. I have backed loads of kickstarters, and as you say, they just wind up getting painted a bit, and then sit in the cupboard.
40k stuff doesn't depreciate in value, and it doesn't decompose, so unless you go nuts, gak ain't that expensive. I started back into the hobby about 4 years back when I was getting out of the military, I bought AOBR with a mate, and since then have steadily added stuff, I buy bargains off ebay, and very occasionally, something new off a discounter. Ive probably spent more on Kickstarter than I have on GW the last few years, GW I have only spent what... new half of DV, new half of AOBR, and maybe 300$ off ebay and discounters in a 3-4 year period.
Thats it. And i've got a steady.. I dunno.. maybe 3500 points? More than I can ever use.
It isn't that expensive if you only play one army and you don't go nuts. If you get the Strikeforce and add that to your AOBR it will see you right. Spend $100 a year via ebay, and you will soon have a really big army, plenty of choice, and more units than you can field.
Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!
Davylove21 wrote: Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!
According to 40k Radio these kind of sets are replacing Battleforces in the long run and every army will get one eventually (I hope they do multiple different ones for armies so people can have more variety, but that's just me).
Davylove21 wrote: Strikeforce = step in the right direction. Every army should have a discounted army-in-a-box. I hope it's not limited time only - I won't be buying anything else this month after the Successors and Imperial Fists codexes!
According to 40k Radio these kind of sets are replacing Battleforces in the long run and every army will get one eventually (I hope they do multiple different ones for armies so people can have more variety, but that's just me).
That would be immense - my group spent the months around the Tau release trying to get a friend into the game. He liked the fluff, enjoyed the game and thought most armies were cool but when we told him battleforces weren't playable armies he lost his point of entry, DV just doesn't appeal to somebody looking to join in with four or five friends who already have their armies. This SM release is impressing me more and more
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.
I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.
I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.
Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.
I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.
Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.
Simple: Seperately the stuff is $106.25 USD, the package is 90 dollars so you only get $16.25 USD savings which is 15%. Not sure if the saving is worth it. All this assuming the new chaplain is the same price as the clamsack captain and librarian.
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KirbyFan wrote: I for one think the new prices are fine, and in fact I see them as being entirely justified. I think many people jump at the price tag and forget that we are talking about QUALITY models here, not just any old sculpts. GW models are for the hobbyist who values his miniatures, not for those that would prefer poor quality "miniatures". GW miniatures really are the best miniatures in the world. It's hardly even disputable (just take a look at the amount of detail and sheer character on the new centurion models before you argue). I wish the GW haters would just stop hating on GW.
Anyway, the librarian and commander look absolutely fantastic! The centurions look amazing, and the one click mega bundle looks like something I just can't resist lol. Can't wait to place an order when the site stabilizes (no doubt due to the plebs oogling at all those new sculpts they call "overpriced").
Sorry. GW does not make "the best miniatures in the world". There are many companies that are producing better models. Corvus Belli' Infinity range springs to mind. As for justifying the price, again, I disagree. It's blatant cash grab because Space Marines outsell everything else they produce. But, to each his own. If you are happy to pay their prices, good on ya.
Damn, I fed a troll... :(
Obvious troll post from user Kirby Fan was obvious
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm kind of a little bit disappointed that the Reclusiam Command is just a new chaplain with a bundled command squad and razorback. I was kind of hoping for an actual squad of Chaplains (Or maybe even a Grimaldus style retinue) - similar to the bundled Librarian models in the One-Click collections. On the up side of that though, at least the Chaplain kitbashes I have put together aren't completely redundant.
I'm annoyed that you can't get the new chappy separately. It's a nice model.
Well now that he can take his own Command Squad it's not a bad package. They even get their own DT right out of the box. It's basically an HQ choice, his retinue and their Pimpmobile all in a single box. I'm curious how the math works out on if that's a savings or not.
Simple: Seperately the stuff is $106.25 USD, the package is 90 dollars so you only get $16.25 USD savings which is 15%. Not sure if the saving is worth it. All this assuming the new chaplain is the same price as the clamsack captain and librarian.
That's not a bad deal then. Even if he's priced a little less you still save a little money (I doubt he'd be as low as his Finecast counterpart).
I think both the reclusium and strikeforce are not direct only. So you can get it for about 30% retail and then an additional 20ish percent off of that. So about 45% off retail Not a bad deal at all
I didn't want to buy WD, but as I sat in a quiet house while my kids were asleep, I purchased the ipad version.
Trying my damndest not to pre order anything now.
Seeing as though there are going to be a lot more Marine armies around, I'm thinking of going CSM, just to stick the boot in with the bonuses against SM.
To get back to new Space Marine characters, the problem is not IMHO the price, but rather what perceived value you get from them (well I guess you could then say the price is the problem - anyway, lets not get stuck to definitions). 25 euros from a single character model is high, but not unreasonably high if it provides something people want. For example -great quality -plenty of options -something new which has not been available previously
Lets start with quality. New plastic SM captain is a quite nice sculpt, however, it is not 25 euros nice, so right away it's a fail. Worse, the sculpt is based on previous model, AOBR captain. Whilst it is not exact same sculpt - and I've personally always liked AOBR captain - the fact is that any estabilished player will recognize the pose and associate it with a starter set, non-premium model. Personally, I bought my AOBR captain for 2 euros, so as can be imagined, I'm not about to rush paying 25 euros from nearly same model. What about options? Well, it has a second head, and that's it. Another fail.
Is it something new? Heck no. Even now, GW has many other Power armour Captains available. In addition, current and previous starter sets had ones as well. Even the material isn't an advantage over previous models, since there already is a plastic Power armour Commander available - with better options, cheaper price and arguably not really worse sculpting. Only thing the new one offers is combi-grav gun. Imagine if instead they had brought us plastic Terminator Captain. There is only one generic TDA Captain available and it's a Finecast conversion from a really old, not that great model. Or how about a Captain in Artificer armour? I don't think any exists. Unless the sculpts were truly terrible, people would have lined up to buy them, even for that price, because they would have been something new. By contrast, by putting a 25 euros price tag on a model which's equivalents most people already have, GW comes across as a rip-off (shock horror). Pretty much all same arguments go for the new Libby - PA Librarian models are plenty. In fact, current starter set has one. I guess it's all part of future transformation to all-plastic range, but it's just disappointing seeing them use design capacity for something so bland.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have always loved 40k fluff, aesthetics, etc... but always found myself scared off playing due to the legenday prices. As such i've played essentially every game BUT WH40.
However, I picked up the previous two-player box (its what I actually learned to paint on), and now find this bundle tempting. I was ready to drop $250 on random CMoN Kickstarter minis which I know i'd never play, so figure... what the hell, lets try this for real. :-p
Only problem is, i've got the LE Codex and Strikeforce sitting in my shopping cart, and it will not finish check-out. It keeps gaking the bed right on the final order confirmation/payment screen.
Yeah, id bite the bullet and take up 40k me mate. I have backed loads of kickstarters, and as you say, they just wind up getting painted a bit, and then sit in the cupboard.
40k stuff doesn't depreciate in value, and it doesn't decompose, so unless you go nuts, gak ain't that expensive. I started back into the hobby about 4 years back when I was getting out of the military, I bought AOBR with a mate, and since then have steadily added stuff, I buy bargains off ebay, and very occasionally, something new off a discounter. Ive probably spent more on Kickstarter than I have on GW the last few years, GW I have only spent what... new half of DV, new half of AOBR, and maybe 300$ off ebay and discounters in a 3-4 year period.
Thats it. And i've got a steady.. I dunno.. maybe 3500 points? More than I can ever use.
It isn't that expensive if you only play one army and you don't go nuts. If you get the Strikeforce and add that to your AOBR it will see you right. Spend $100 a year via ebay, and you will soon have a really big army, plenty of choice, and more units than you can field.
Thanks for the suggestion and wisdom man... The irony is that I am sure I spent $1000 on Kickstarters this year, and surely those games will never get played. I've actually been thinking that the games I sought out so that I could avoid the "GW pricing" ended up costing me more... and considering many of the games I love, I literally can't find another player without driving two+ hours... well, that isn't much of a hobby is it?
My SOLE problem, is that my wife is my main hobby co-hort... and that means buying two armies for every game we play. As such, she's sitting on gorgeously painted Orcs from the AOBR box... but that is all she has, even if I now own, 1500-1800pts of my own...
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Well, i'm in the US, so as far as I know there are no US discounters online, are there?
Either way, I snagged it, and check-out finally worked once I stopped trying to check-out as a "Guest".
I'm honestly, oddly excited. Somehow this purchase feels much more "right" than throwing the same at CMoN for a game I know I dislike the rules for, and which would amount to a couple hundred minis for just plain painting purposes. Here i'll have a nice little chunk of painting, and turn my previous painting project into a proper playable army. Neat. :-)
Also, Dreadnaughts are my favorite "mini" in this entire hobby, across any game i've ever seen/played... so i'm happy to own another, anytime. :-)
Often you can't order them in a "cart", but there are plenty of US discounters where you can simply email in an order request. Best you'll get is 20% off or so. The Strikeforce, already a good deal is an amazing deal with discount.
Spikey Bits, Discount Game Store, Atomic Empire, The War Store and Chaos Mail Order to name a few.
Obviously I'd always suggest supporting a local LGS when possible, but for others, there are great options out there to make your hobby dollars go the furthest.
Backfire wrote: To get back to new Space Marine characters, the problem is not IMHO the price, but rather what perceived value you get from them (well I guess you could then say the price is the problem - anyway, lets get stuck to definitions). 25 euros from a single character model is high, but not unreasonably high if it provides something people want. For example
-great quality
-plenty of options
-something new which has not been available previously
Lets start with quality. New plastic SM captain is a quite nice sculpt, however, it is not 25 euros nice, so right away it's a fail. Worse, the sculpt is based on previous model, AOBR captain. Whilst it is not exact same sculpt - and I've personally always liked AOBR captain - the fact is that any estabilished player will recognize the pose and associate it with a starter set, non-premium model. Personally, I bought my AOBR captain for 2 euros, so as can be imagined, I'm not about to rush paying 25 euros from nearly same model. What about options? Well, it has a second head, and that's it. Another fail.
Is it something new? Heck no. Even now, GW has many other Power armour Captains available. In addition, current and previous starter sets had ones as well. Even the material isn't an advantage over previous models, since there already is a plastic Power armour Commander available - with better options, cheaper price and arguably not really worse sculpting. Only thing the new one offers is combi-grav gun.
Imagine if instead they had brought us plastic Terminator Captain. There is only one generic TDA Captain available and it's a Finecast conversion from a really old, not that great model. Or how about a Captain in Artificer armour? I don't think any exists. Unless the sculpts were truly terrible, people would have lined up to buy them, even for that price, because they would have been something new. By contrast, by putting a 25 euros price tag on a model which's equivalents most people already have, GW comes across as a rip-off (shock horror). Pretty much all same arguments go for the new Libby - PA Librarian models are plenty. In fact, current starter set has one. I guess it's all part of future transformation to all-plastic range, but it's just disappointing seeing them use design capacity for something so bland.
Great post. $30 USD for a recycled mono-pose figure when you can still buy the customisable commander kit for $22.50 is just insane.
Yeah I saw that commander sprue and was not interested, no extra bits, not poseable... Although I like the crest, that is all.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ill get my mitts on a Space Marine box just to have, I like the Crusader idea, maybe use them for breaching fortifications... Need the anti-air SM Rhino upgrade. Loads of flyers taking the board now days.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Really want to get Orcs and Guard going. So Ill finish up some SP projects, will post pics, finish this modular Citadel board, and we shall see, by that time maybe more codice will be out. Shame the LE wasn't in a Crimson Fist ed... looking forward to BA Codex.
Great post. $30 USD for a recycled mono-pose figure when you can still buy the customisable commander kit for $22.50 is just insane.
I agree. I was majorly dissapointed by the prices of the HQ characters. The customizable captain with a poo load of options being €18 and the new one with barely any options being €25.
Really want to get Orcs and Guard going. So Ill finish up some SP projects, will post pics, finish this modular Citadel board, and we shall see, by that time maybe more codice will be out. Shame the LE wasn't in a Crimson Fist ed... looking forward to BA Codex.
Asherian Command wrote: On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?
I am only buying the book. Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!
Nah, there's still plenty of people out there. By making it limited it just has more perceived value, so people will jump on it. Seeing how a number of them are out of stock already, I'd say they're right. Also the vast majority of Space Marine players won't be getting a special edition one. I'm a die hard 40k fanatic and I still won't get a special edition one.
Asherian Command wrote: On the 500 copies thing. Maybe its because they know they have so few amounts of people left to play the hobby anymore?
I am only buying the book. Tell me how the book is if any of you enjoy it!
Nah, there's still plenty of people out there. By making it limited it just has more perceived value, so people will jump on it. Seeing how a number of them are out of stock already, I'd say they're right. Also the vast majority of Space Marine players won't be getting a special edition one. I'm a die hard 40k fanatic and I still won't get a special edition one.
Good point. But I would think making more than 500. Like a 1000 per codex would be interesting and would increase the amount of money they make by a bit.
Still making it more valuable but still having a chance of running on for a while before some rich bloke buys them all and puts them up on ebay.
Asherian Command wrote: Good point. But I would think making more than 500. Like a 1000 per codex would be interesting and would increase the amount of money they make by a bit.
Still making it more valuable but still having a chance of running on for a while before some rich bloke buys them all and puts them up on ebay.
The rarer the item the more some people would pay for.
Bumping it up to 1000 copies each (so 7000 total) *could* end up with more people buying them, but it also increases the potential of some chapters having left over Special Codices and that is a waste in the eyes of a company and decreases the perceived value of the Limitedness..
Asherian Command wrote: Good point. But I would think making more than 500. Like a 1000 per codex would be interesting and would increase the amount of money they make by a bit.
Still making it more valuable but still having a chance of running on for a while before some rich bloke buys them all and puts them up on ebay.
The rarer the item the more some people would pay for.
Bumping it up to 1000 copies each (so 7000 total) *could* end up with more people buying them, but it also increases the potential of some chapters having left over Special Codices and that is a waste in the eyes of a company and decreases the perceived value of the Limitedness..
The Chaos Daemon books had this problem. 4 books with a nice large number of each and they didn't sell out until about the end of the month. I think that caused them to set the bar lower this time.
squall018 wrote: Looks like the ultra marines le is sold out as well.
Salamanders, too (I snagged one!)
I bought an iron hands copy, though they are probably in little danger of selling out soon.
I got myself an Iron Hands one as well, and as happy as I am that the X Legion are getting some attention, not looking forward to the band-wagoners (or people accusing me of being one) as I've been playing an Iron Hands themed army for almost 2 years.
just downloaded the Enhanced Codex sample...
even more features and pop-ups in this one than the previous iBook Codices...
the most amazing part is that the interactivity has been taken to the next level, with every flavor text box also having an Audio track...
the book reads itself to you!!!
i love every little unique touch that they have done with the iBook format...
i know a lot of people have said that the features are unnecessary, but it is still a nice touch, especially considering that the Hardbacks, and iBooks versions, cost the same...
while i actually like the layout of the ePub versions a little better, as i can flip vertically or horizontally, and can zoom in on the pics better, i love the fact that GW is using interactive technology for digital books...
In other news, HOLY CRAP GW is fast. I received the shipping notification today that my book is on its way!
God-damnit: what time did you place your order? Mine went through at 6:30am on the UK site, they took the money, but it still reads as "Order being processed" on the GW site and I've not even received a confirmation email nevermind a shipping notification.
Leth wrote: Also Itunes takes a flat 30% of any sales thats why it is more expensive than the kindle versions. But you get additional functionality from it so trade offs.
Almost all of which functionality can be replicated quite readily by using embedded Flash in the epub versions, but we likely won't see that because then there's be no reason for people to buy the more expensive Apple version.
Even though the apple version is only more expensive because Apple take a cut. So you think Games Workshop are trying to funnel sales into Apple products...why, exactly? Did they fake the moon landings too?
Yes, that's right, I believe GW are are army of Morlocks commanded by the animate corpse of Margret Thatcher, and that David Cameron is both her half-undead-Tory half-CHUD son, and also secretly Kirby in a manskin suit
Or, alternatively, they invested in the iPad versions first, because Apple's tools and philosophy line up with GW's regarding controlling how their users consume content, and digital iStuff is marginally more difficult to file share than epub and mobi, and they want to ensure they see a return on that investment despite Apple's substantial cut so continue to give that platform preferential support in terms of features, in order to encourage those who have a choice which platform to consume content on choose the one in which they have the biggest stake.
Great post. $30 USD for a recycled mono-pose figure when you can still buy the customisable commander kit for $22.50 is just insane.
I agree. I was majorly dissapointed by the prices of the HQ characters. The customizable captain with a poo load of options being €18 and the new one with barely any options being €25.
Really want to get Orcs and Guard going. So Ill finish up some SP projects, will post pics, finish this modular Citadel board, and we shall see, by that time maybe more codice will be out. Shame the LE wasn't in a Crimson Fist ed... looking forward to BA Codex.
Isn't the Succesors one basicly Crimson Fists?
Maybe, but my first 30 Marines in 1987 were Crimson Fists, never heard of an Imperial Fist then so I was going on real time not game fluff, so maybe I'll get a LE.
I think the new captain is irrelevant. If you like the figure then buy it, otherwise use an existing one or make one from the Sternguard or Commander sets.
The librarian though, for the price I expect more detail. The horns on the skulls should have good raised ridges rather than looking smooth.
A librarian version helmet head could easily have been included.
More detail on the arms.
This is not a premium looking figure but they are pricing it as though it was.
As for the LE codex, at the equivalent price of £115 for NZ customers, it's a bit extreme and I'd love to know how many they sell here. Then again £20 for the librarian is ridiculous for a basic plastic figure. Downunder rant over.
Anyone notice how Vanguard Vets are now listed in the Elites section on the GW website? Did I miss something, because I remember them being Fast Attack in the old dex
Aces High 666 wrote: Anyone notice how Vanguard Vets are now listed in the Elites section on the GW website? Did I miss something, because I remember them being Fast Attack in the old dex
Yep the van vets moved so you still have plenty of slots for flyers
squall018 wrote: Looks like the ultra marines le is sold out as well.
Salamanders, too (I snagged one!)
I bought an iron hands copy, though they are probably in little danger of selling out soon.
I got myself an Iron Hands one as well, and as happy as I am that the X Legion are getting some attention, not looking forward to the band-wagoners (or people accusing me of being one) as I've been playing an Iron Hands themed army for almost 2 years.
I hear ya.
I've had an IH successor chapter since 4th ed. Mine were very Steampunk themed, with a mix of really old armour marks all painted in bronze and gun metal.
I miss that army. It got stolen back in 2005.
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jah-joshua wrote: just downloaded the Enhanced Codex sample...
even more features and pop-ups in this one than the previous iBook Codices...
the most amazing part is that the interactivity has been taken to the next level, with every flavor text box also having an Audio track...
the book reads itself to you!!!
i love every little unique touch that they have done with the iBook format...
i know a lot of people have said that the features are unnecessary, but it is still a nice touch, especially considering that the Hardbacks, and iBooks versions, cost the same...
while i actually like the layout of the ePub versions a little better, as i can flip vertically or horizontally, and can zoom in on the pics better, i love the fact that GW is using interactive technology for digital books...
I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.
Bonde wrote: I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.
I have to agree that the Sternguard is a delicious kit.
I'm not too impressed about the others - Vanguard, Tac Squad and the Stalker are nice but not eye-popping, characters are ok, and Centurions are still ugly and clumsy.
One thing I like is the return of the helmet crests. It's a fun detail - and looks great on the heads that sit on my CSM / Ork spikes
Malika2 wrote: Is it just me or is €25 for a single character rather expensive? I mean...I know Forgeworld charges a lot, but it seems GW charges just as much...
And even then, Forge World's figure quality is greater than most (if not all) of GW's figures. While Forge World is more expensive, it's generally a pair of figures.
Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but the rumour on the one-click SM-chapter for 9.984,75 € is true. It will be available 14th September (not sure about preorder).
Malika2 wrote: Is it just me or is €25 for a single character rather expensive? I mean...I know Forgeworld charges a lot, but it seems GW charges just as much...
Thanks for pointing that out. Now I won't feel so bad about buying the artificer armored Legion Praetor I've been wanting, since I was going to buy the plastic Captain anyway.
Sternguard are still cheaper than FW power armor, so that's something. Since all my marines are from Forge World, that makes Sternguard cheaper to buy than to make myself.
The Chaplain is limited release only with the command set...
As far as the LE codex goes I have decided after much deliberation to spend the extra money on new vanguard vets... but I guess it was an easy decision for me seeing as how Carcharodons are of unknown origin and I don't play any of the founding legions.
Kroothawk wrote: Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but the rumour on the one-click SM-chapter for 9.984,75 € is true. It will be available 14th September (not sure about preorder).
Don't say that it's true man, all those people that cried it was just a cheap attempt to drive web traffic to a blog will be wrong.
Bonde wrote: I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.
I have to agree that the Sternguard is a delicious kit.
The combi-guns alone make that a very attractive kit. Lots of nice bits for sergeants and/or commanders in that kit.
Malika2 wrote: Is it just me or is €25 for a single character rather expensive? I mean...I know Forgeworld charges a lot, but it seems GW charges just as much...
And even then, Forge World's figure quality is greater than most (if not all) of GW's figures. While Forge World is more expensive, it's generally a pair of figures.
Most definitely (too) expensive, but the quality of that new librarian is very high and on par with most FW stuff Imo (if you leave off the fugly cherub).
While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...
So this is what I now own...
- LE Codex
- Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one)
- Assault on Black Reach
- A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.
If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.
Also, I notice a LOT of models have optional weapons load-outs, even in that Strike-Force box. Without having played the game... how do I know/find out, what I should build the guys as having? I mean... if there a general wisdom? If these were bigger models I could at least magnetize them (well, I will the Venerable Dreadnaught)...
Finally, do different Space Marine chapters get different abilities? If I just want to paint my guys up with my own scheme and made-up fluff, am I mechanically at a gameplay disadvantage?
Thanks all! You've helped create a 40k Monster. :-p
Bonde wrote: I don't even play marines, but that Sternguard veteran kit made me giddy in a way only small plastic figures can. I'm thinking it will be a good combination with the old Sternguard kit to make a ten man squad for an Angels Sanguine allied force for my IG army.
I have to agree that the Sternguard is a delicious kit.
The combi-guns alone make that a very attractive kit. Lots of nice bits for sergeants and/or commanders in that kit.
The multitude of parts in the Sternguard set along with my bits box will allow me to turn that box into ten Sternguard and some well armed Sergeants.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...
So this is what I now own...
- LE Codex
- Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one)
- Assault on Black Reach
- A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.
If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.
Captain/Chaptermaster - Decent base HQ that lets you build what you want.
Command Squad - Lots of options even if you arent going to run them as a Command Squad
Two Tactical Marine Squads x 10 - Your Basic Troop that make up the minimum FOC Drop Pod - Great insertion vehicle, used best in odd numbers.
Razorback/Rhino - Make sure to assemble this in a manner that you can just change the top hatch to go from one to the other. Rhino = the usual Metal Box that Tacticals like to travel in / Razorback can hold 6 peeps (captain/command squad for example) but usually used as fire support.
Assault Marines x 5 - Too small to really use as is. Squad of 10 can make them decent but far from game breaking in the SM codex.
Sniper Scouts x 5 - Not a bad choice for camping on objectives.
Venerable Dreadnaught - Pricey but nice, though most people would run it as a pretty regular Dreadnought.
Assault on Black Reach
Another Captain / Chaptermaster - As above.
Tactical Marines x 10 - As Above, possibly get a Sternguard box and combine it with a Tac Box to make two Sternsquads.
Regular Dreadnaught - As above.
5 Termies - If that is your flavour, go for it but they will be very sad when they see all the cool poses and bling the Blood Angel Termis get in the Space Hulk box.
Fair enough box of goodies, but it depends if you want an army that is the best vs army that you like the best. Have a read and don't go too crazy before you buy too much more I guess.
Plus who knows exactly how the Codex will swing things.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: While there are a lot of eyes on this thread, and everyone here is being so kind, and helpful, can I ask a few general questions (while i'm also still in a buying mood)...
So this is what I now own...
- LE Codex - Space Marine Strike-Force pre-order (the $225 one) - Assault on Black Reach - A copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition which i'm willing to use the pieces from.
Finally, do different Space Marine chapters get different abilities? If I just want to paint my guys up with my own scheme and made-up fluff, am I mechanically at a gameplay disadvantage?
Thanks all! You've helped create a 40k Monster. :-p
Wait.. You bought the LE-codex but don't even know how chapters work?
I'll just explain my own thoughts and how I handled these issues: 1. I picked a tactic that I like and built an army around that.
2. I equipped my marines with the weapons that I am most likely going to use. For tactical marines I did something different: I already have around 35 models (more than I will ever field) so I am going to buy a tactical squad and give EVERY model a special/heavy weapon. So now I have 35 Tactical Marines and 10 Tactical Marines with special/heavy weapons, so I can use the model that I want.
3. Read the codex and the Chapter Traits, they all give unique abilities. Then you can pick the Chapter that fits your tactic/army/fluff the best (for me it's Raven Guard).
4. Painting hardly matters. Salamanders are supposed to be green, but there is nothing stopping you from painting a pink army and claim it's a Salamander-successor that follows the Salamander-rules.
If I own all of that, what would be some "essential" purchases to get myself up to a decent, playable army. I know I already own enough to play 2000pts or so... but that would be a pretty hodge-podge army.
We cannot answer this question because we do not know what tactic you want to use.
Also, I notice a LOT of models have optional weapons load-outs, even in that Strike-Force box. Without having played the game... how do I know/find out, what I should build the guys as having? I mean... if there a general wisdom? If these were bigger models I could at least magnetize them (well, I will the Venerable Dreadnaught)...
It's called TAC. If your army lacks AT, you should equip the models with AT-weapons. If your list has problems with Hordes, you should equip them with anti-Horde weaponry.
Leth wrote: He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.
Hmm, I didn't see that. In that case it might be awesome to build a droppod/dreadnought list.
I actually like the BA-list with that, they can get 8 dreads in pods for a 2k-list. Normal Marines can only take around 6, but that does leave them with more scoring models, so that's good.
spacewolf407 wrote: I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.
As for the comment about some LE codices not selling out yet, I think that White Scars and Iron Fists will get more popular with this new codex but they are PITA to paint correctly. Also, players that are just starting them probably are not ready to drop big money on a LE codex. They would really need their cash for models.
Iron Hands and Raven Guard are very cool but I think most players will stay away from them. That's actually a good thing for fans of those chapters. They probably prefer to remain hip and unique at their FLGS.
spacewolf407 wrote: I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.
Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.
Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.
The Chaplain is limited release only with the command set...
As far as the LE codex goes I have decided after much deliberation to spend the extra money on new vanguard vets... but I guess it was an easy decision for me seeing as how Carcharodons are of unknown origin and I don't play any of the founding legions.
So, since the meat of that same Command Squad is in the Strike-Force bundle, does that mean the exclusive Chaplain is too? He's an awesome model, but I don't see him pictured. Meanwhile i'd hate to have to buy the same set, just for him.
Leth wrote: He said he likes dreadnaughts, I would suggest building a list around Iron Hands then.
Hmm, I didn't see that.
In that case it might be awesome to build a droppod/dreadnought list.
I actually like the BA-list with that, they can get 8 dreads in pods for a 2k-list.
Normal Marines can only take around 6, but that does leave them with more scoring models, so that's good.
spacewolf407 wrote: I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.
Might have something to do with website-issues?
If the rumors are correct he should be able to make a 2k list with 8 dreads, Primary list with MOTF, 3 Dreads in Elite and 3 in HS, Ally list with MOTF, 1 Dreads in Elite and 1in HS
Making the Primary list Iron Hands and maybe salamanders for the ally, have the two dreads with flamers.
Oh, as an aside, thank you again to everyone making suggestions and providing help.
Yes, I bought a LE book for a game I haven't even played, but it felt right, and if I am going to give this a fair shake, I want to really do it right. Plus, if I look back on it, ten years later, how nice will it be to have had such a special introduction to the game? I mean, I know I already adore the setting, etc...
And yes, on pure aesthetics, I love Dreadnaughts and Terminators most. I cut my GW teeth playing Space Hulk growing up, some a Terminator with a shield and a thunder-hammer, gives me wood. :-p If I can build lists with Termies, Dreadnaughts and all the goodies I have already, i'd be a happy camper.
So, between my boxes, I own, what.... 30-40 Tactical Marines... I assume other than learning how to play and list build, the suggestion that I buy something that will let me load them out in fun ways is the best call.
So again, its Sternguard I want, if I want to convert a bunch of the Tactical guys? Or should I just buy some bits like flamers, etc... and make customized Tacticals for playing them AS Tactical Squads?
Firstly, I'm not sure if this has already been whined about before in this thread, so if it has, I apologize (I don't play 40k, so the bulk of this thread is irrelevant to me).
Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.
Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?
Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.
Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?
Yes. Page count for the Space Marines Codex is 176 it seems. All previous 6th Edition Codexes (Eldar, Tau, etc) had ~ 104 pages or so.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Firstly, I'm not sure if this has already been whined about before in this thread, so if it has, I apologize (I don't play 40k, so the bulk of this thread is irrelevant to me).
Am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the price of the codex? The existing hard cover army books were priced at 60 CDN dollars and the new space marine codex is priced at 70.
Is the book bigger or is this just another stealth price increase?
This is both the largest and the most versatile codex yet.
spacewolf407 wrote: I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.
Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.
Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.
Agreed, unfortunately the White Scars one just doesn't do the job, he really should be on a bike!
spacewolf407 wrote: I'm surprised the limited edition IF, WS, RG, and IH codexes haven't sold out yet. Not popular amongst the masses I guess.
Probably because thet're pretty boring looking cover not much is going on.
Yeah, especially the White Scars. It's a dude in white power armor, when it should be a cover picture of a White Scars biker tearing along at high speed.
Agreed, unfortunately the White Scars one just doesn't do the job, he really should be on a bike!
By that sentiment the Raven Guard cover should just be black with no art, the Imperial Fists should be hidden behind a giant wall, etc.
The White Scars aren't a Chapter/Legion that were just "Vroom vroom, we're bikers!". They're all about mobile warfare. Bikers play a part, but so do Razorbacks and Rhinos loaded with Tactical Marines.
They're also considered a bit "savage". I think the cover conveys that perfectly, with him having a severed Eldar(or Dark Eldar) head in one hand and the other strapped to his backpack.
MAN! 
There is a lot of whining about 
And what's with the Seargent instead of just Sergant.
