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Classic?
Classic????
*mumbles and grumbles in Old Grognard, something about kids and lawns, yells at cloud*
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Perhaps you would prefer the term
"correct" or "accurate" representation of a warlord titan instead of that bulbous rounded shoulder "mars pattern" thing that FW makes now.
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aphyon wrote:Perhaps you would prefer the term
"correct" or "accurate" representation of a warlord titan instead of that bulbous rounded shoulder "mars pattern" thing that FW makes now.
Well it is a better descriptor....
Damn Mars, taking the coolness out of designs for millenia!
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aphyon wrote:Perhaps you would prefer the term
"correct" or "accurate" representation of a warlord titan instead of that bulbous rounded shoulder "mars pattern" thing that FW makes now.
That blocky brutalist nonsense is an affront to the Beetle Backed Omnissiah!
Now I need to find another cloud to yell at!
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Haha yes ofc MDG was referring to the 'Beetleback' which was the first Warlord and the true classic.  Think the boxier one came along with the release of Armageddon was it? (Or was it Epic 40l?)
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I always remember these
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And there was this.....this..... abomination
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Pacific wrote:Haha yes ofc MDG was referring to the 'Beetleback' which was the first Warlord and the true classic.  Think the boxier one came along with the release of Armageddon was it? (Or was it Epic 40l?)
Epic 40k
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The Epic 40k Gargant and Great Gargant nailed it though.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Certainly the better face of that era of Epic. Still got a soft spot for the curvy Gargants though.
But man.....Eldar.
Poor, poor Eldar.
1st/2nd Ed Epic. I am grace, I am splendour
Epic Armageddon. hurr durrr I forgot to remove the scaffoldering bawss
Oh the Eldarity!
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Post by: Pacific
My work network is blocking that image but I know exactly which one you are referring to
That release was definitely poor compared to what came before. I had heard that at that time, around the Special Games period, a lot of the apprentice sculptors were cutting their teeth with that range so you ended up with a few strange releases for Necromunda, Epic etc
Those are great. My favourite, just for nostalgia's sake, will always be the 2nd edition Space Marine one which was a bit more rounded (although not to the extent that I will pay £70/80+ from ebay for it unfortunately).
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Post by: barnEbiss
Started working on creating my first epic armies, creating blood angels an ultra marines armies, did a test print up of a space marine dred I found on thingverse, did up two of them and painted them up in my selected chapters colors and got them test based..
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Nice Dreadnoughts!
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did up some epic scale Carnifex's I found on thingverse  still need to do final highlighting and base them.
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Y’know, with GW doing limited runs of OOP models, I’m wondering who I might need to offer Executive Relief to for Epic to be included.
I mean, surely the moulds exist? Somewhere, in a store room? The ones for plastic kits at least, given they’re all made of steel and that.
Provided they’ve not changed their machinery (I can’t rule it out), doing a production run would cost relative pennies, so wouldn’t need a massive number of orders to make it worth it. And even if relatively few are all that interested, you’d think we’d order a good couple of hundred quids worth (or more) each?
I guess the main limiter is something akin to “yes, we could do that, and it wouldn’t cost us much to do it. But it’s still at least one machine dedicated to churning them out, when it’s better off churning out the other kits we do, which sell well”.
I’d love them to do this. Whilst I get the moulds for metal models might’ve long since perished (again, this is partially informed guess work), if they are workable, go crazy please GW!
With enough warning, I for one would do what I could to save up enough money to buy enough gubbins to be able to field any and all Company/Support cards in any combination.
Do you think this is something a more or less organised campaign might achieve?
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Y’know, with GW doing limited runs of OOP models, I’m wondering who I might need to offer Executive Relief to for Epic to be included.
I mean, surely the moulds exist? Somewhere, in a store room? The ones for plastic kits at least, given they’re all made of steel and that.
Provided they’ve not changed their machinery (I can’t rule it out), doing a production run would cost relative pennies, so wouldn’t need a massive number of orders to make it worth it. And even if relatively few are all that interested, you’d think we’d order a good couple of hundred quids worth (or more) each?
I guess the main limiter is something akin to “yes, we could do that, and it wouldn’t cost us much to do it. But it’s still at least one machine dedicated to churning them out, when it’s better off churning out the other kits we do, which sell well”.
I’d love them to do this. Whilst I get the moulds for metal models might’ve long since perished (again, this is partially informed guess work), if they are workable, go crazy please GW!
With enough warning, I for one would do what I could to save up enough money to buy enough gubbins to be able to field any and all Company/Support cards in any combination.
Do you think this is something a more or less organised campaign might achieve?
Problem is Epic 40k by today's mini standards the old models do not hold up well to today's GW standards, even 3D printed mini's produce better detailed models then some of the old epic40k mini's, GW is not going to do a rerun of an old game that is out of date, they have hinted they would be expanding the lines of mini's available to the Adeptus Titanic's line.
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Post by: aphyon
They won't do it for the same reason they killed epic and BFG before.
1.you don't need as many models at cost to play=GW makes less money
2.cost to return benefit diminishes over time-see point 1
3.the expansion line is limited. take for example the chaos and imperial fleets- aside from the big batttleships that were in metal. every cruiser and battle cruiser (7 variants) could be made with the single 2 ship pack of plastic cruiser hulls with add on multiple deck slots that came with the kit and you only needed 3-6 to make a decent sized fleet.
4.overall interest/support-most players are not interested in 6mm or fleet naval battles like they are with 28mm when it comes to the hobby or play side of the game. it is more of a niche inside a niche part of the 40K base.
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Post by: Jackal90
Decided to take the plunge finally.
Going to slap my reaver titan on eBay and use that to get a printer finally.
Been putting it off for far too long.
Means building up my epic will be far easier.
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Painted up my hive Tyrant I printed up, now to do up some hive warriors and my strands of termagaunts.
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Well, I've made it through this thread in the past three days, which has inspired me to root around and discover how much Epic stuff is available as STLs. I finally set up my Elegoo Mars over the holidays (bought it last May, then a massive work crunch hit) and I've tinkered enough to feel confident with it. These two facts together have me scheming to put together some Epic forces again.
I'd play Epic 40K. The third edition dropped right as I had my first wargaming army - a 5th edition WFB Undead army - painted up to a solid, playable 2000 points. I'd tried to get into 40K 2e and just bounced off, for various reasons. But Epic40K treated me just fine...until the group of five of us playing became just me and a friend. Then he eventually slinked off back to his 28mm Orkz, too...
The old 2e stuff I have and have read has just always baffled me - it came from a school of wargames design just a bit before my time. I've looked hard at Epic: Armageddon and its successors and...I understand the choices made. And I don't understand why trading the ability to choose my own titan weapons in favor of tournament balance is a deal-breaker for me. But it is.
I'm also gloriously free of my old 3e-5e 40K Eldar army, so I don't feel obligated to start with a Ulthwe army this time! (Well, I still have the army, I just haven't played 40K in 3...4?...editions.) The idea of putting together a 'starter set' of Orkz vs combined Imperium is really appealing and won't let me go.
Maybe this is a passing fancy, but maybe I'll be back with some pictures soon.
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Welcome to the thread Psychopomp
Think that's the great thing about this scale and, weirdly, that it's a 'dead' system. No having to keep up with the latest and greatest, tournament meta and the rest and just being lead by the nose and forced to play some crap update. Instead you can have a collection of miniatures and then wheel these out for whichever system you want to play, and the only penalty might be a stand or two or you'll have to 'counts as' something else with a unit. I'm hoping to use Armageddon if I play any tournaments (as that seems to be the predominant system in the UK), also Imperius Dominatus as it's amazing for Crusade/heresy era and I'm hoping for some events later on this year, and finally 2nd edition Space Marine/NetEpic for games with a couple of mates as I used to love that system and Orks in it are so much fun.
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My plans are to have (at least) two armies in my collection so that I can bully friends into playing beer & pretzel games with me. 3e has always been a good system for that element, too.
This project might also finally push me into learning how to use Blender, too. I really like the look of the Vanguard Skinners as opposed to the old-school RT-era 'goofy' orkz I can find on Thingiverse (who, don't get me wrong, also have a lot of charm to them). But, the entire point of this project would be that I can 3D print what I want without having to make and wait on orders that have to ship from the UK. So, I might finally bite the bullet, learn the Blender UI, and have a go at my own 'Vanguard-inspired but not duplicated' sculpts!
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wait on orders that have to ship from the UK
I live on the west coast of the US he gets my shipments to me in a week, it is not that much of a wait at all.
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aphyon wrote: wait on orders that have to ship from the UK
I live on the west coast of the US he gets my shipments to me in a week, it is not that much of a wait at all.
Compared to a 3D printer it is. In fact, the DIY aspect of finding STLs I like, choosing what my army looks like, and maybe even learning the basic 3D sculpting to design anything I can't find is a big part of the appeal of the process.
I once did the 'try to chase down and buy Epic armies' before, not again. I ended up selling it off (with some nice turnaround, actually) between grad school and my current employment, to make ends meet. This time, I want to craft and paint, not hunt and buy.
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Ah, the thrill of the hunt and tracking down rare minis is part of the fun man!
Especially with the 'attic clearout' auctions when some parent is clearing out their departed kids stuff, and has taken one bad phone photo with the auction title 'Warhammer Stuff'. I love looking at the photos, zooming in and trying to work out what they are.
That being said I totally get the appeal of not having to go through that, especially if you are after specific miniatures and ranges, and not having to painfully and resentfully buy-it-now on some horribly over-priced mini! Vanguard and Onslaught miniatures have really helped me with that. I know the stuff isn't 100% dead on the 'official' designs, but for stuff like the alien races (orks and squats etc.) as well as the more varied pre-heresy stuff, think they have been invaluable. Definitely think they have helped push prices down on eBay too on the old original stuff, and I'm sure 3D printing will continue to have that effect.
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Post by: aphyon
Well there is that, but also as a classic battletech player i like having the minis in metal. but i have gotten a fair share of minis for games via online 3d printing services for various games where the model doesn't even officially exist......like my armada scale bellator class super star destroyer.
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Pacific wrote:Ah, the thrill of the hunt and tracking down rare minis is part of the fun man!
Yes, it certainly was when I did it seven years ago. Then I had to sell it all and would be starting over from scratch, which kind of kills the ol' enthusiasm.
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Post by: Jackal90
I gave up hunting epic models a while back when rebuilding my original tyranids.
Every auction I was going against scalpers that were happy to pay 20% over the price just to add it to their shop of triple priced items to corner it.
The time has come though.
Threw my reaver titan on eBay to clear up some cash and will be investing in a pair of Mars 2 pro printers.
Time to go big on epic again.
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Post by: JonWebb
Got plenty of Epic on the go at the moment, just wrapped up a Great Gargant for my Goff army.
Also started a small line of boutique figures to fill some of the gaps in the 3rd party market, starting with some Floating Castles that work well for Epic and also Man O War.
If folks are interested, they are available as resin casts.
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Those look very cool JonWebb!
I will get around to Chaos at some point and have got those on the list
Have to say listening to the Crown of Command podcast and review of the Ork and Squat Warlords review has got me super enthused about Orks for 2nd edition/NetEpic - just put a fairly large order in with Vanguard and next on the list is an Evil Sunz clan..
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Post by: barnEbiss
Some of my epic Tyranid prints I did over the weekend nearly have everything printed and can start bulk painting them to get them based.
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Got them painted up
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Those are very pretty 'Nids, the entire horde is bound to look pretty impressive.
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Biovores painted up
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My Tyranid army I am putting together..
Biovore brood 200
Tyrant brood 200
Genestealer 150
Hormagaunt brood 100
Termagant Brood 150
Zoanthrope brood 100
tyranid warrior brood 200
Lictor brood 200
Carnifex brood 100
Total points 1400
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Lictor Brood painted, also got my test gargoyles printed now to attach them to bases and get them painted.
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Sweet! By the way, can I feature the tech priests on Vanguard Miniatures' very unofficial Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you're on Insta.
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Malika2 wrote:Sweet! By the way, can I feature the tech priests on Vanguard Miniatures' very unofficial Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you're on Insta. 
Be my guest!
I haven't yet bothered with posting on IG, though I guess that's where all the cool kids paint these days. Which page we talking about?
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Very nice Sherrypie!
Lovely colour scheme and think the OSL on the plasma works well, I honestly thought you had added an LED until I read the comment.
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Sherrypie wrote: Malika2 wrote:Sweet! By the way, can I feature the tech priests on Vanguard Miniatures' very unofficial Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you're on Insta. 
Be my guest!
I haven't yet bothered with posting on IG, though I guess that's where all the cool kids paint these days. Which page we talking about?
I run the unofficial fanpage for Vanguard Miniatures: https://www.instagram.com/thewarsoftusculumnova/
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Sherrypie wrote: Malika2 wrote:Sweet! By the way, can I feature the tech priests on Vanguard Miniatures' very unofficial Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you're on Insta. 
Be my guest!
I haven't yet bothered with posting on IG, though I guess that's where all the cool kids paint these days. Which page we talking about?
Aaaaaand...they've been featured: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMjuLw-KY9C/
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Nice
And thanks, Pacific. Ever onwards through the painting queue...
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barnEbiss wrote:Some of my epic Tyranid prints I did over the weekend nearly have everything printed and can start bulk painting them to get them based.
Whose 'gaunts and stealers are those? I quite like the look of them and wouldn't mind printing some up.
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Post by: AegisFate
Got a 3d printer over the weekend and I've been going a little crazy, but a paint test Death Guard Rhino
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Hello there, fellow son of Barbarus. That's a sweet looking ride.
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Post by: Pacific
Very nice! Welcome to the thread, and that's a lovely looking DG Rhino!
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Post by: AegisFate
Got through on some more vehicles printed and ready for the paint queue and finished the Falchion for what I'm coming to call the 31st Heavy Armor Battalion of the 4th Great Company. Essentially just an excuse for mechanized infantry, pile of skirmishing tanks, and a trio of superheavies.
And an infantry test on some guys that didn't print out right due to some unfortunate issues.
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Very nice - looking forward to seeing the completed pics!
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a new arrival
some eldar fighters for my iyanden force.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Nice
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Hey all just a quick post
did a game of epic last night using index 8th ed rules 380 power level
iyanden VS krieg
This is how the armies looked on the table-
I will have more details and pics in my old editions topic for 40K
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/789567.page
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Post by: Pacific
Very nice!
Hey guys - Does anyone know what has happened re. Vanguard no longer stocking Onslaught Miniatures?
Shame it looks like I'll now need to order direct from the US (with all of the delays + tax that will include)
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Post by: amazingturtles
I hope this is ok to put here, but I've got some of what I'm assuming are epic imperial guard, but I'm not sure what they all are! I could use some help identifying them.
Here's a picture.
I mean, I'm pretty sure i know the leman russes, at least.
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Post by: Pacific
Hmm yes - these must be later plastic releases as I'm not familiar with them (maybe Albertorius or Sherrypie will confirm if they were from Armageddon or Epic 40k or are not?)
from the top: (Atillan) Rough Riders, command group (the Ogryn and Commissar look like they are originals there), imperial guardsmen, some kind of heavy weapon platform?
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amazingturtles wrote:I hope this is ok to put here, but I've got some of what I'm assuming are epic imperial guard, but I'm not sure what they all are! I could use some help identifying them.
Here's a picture.
I mean, I'm pretty sure i know the leman russes, at least.
Those are Imperial Guard from 3rd edition Epic, aka Epic 40,000. It was the mostest unpopularest of all editions, but it did have great models (except the Titans).
The tanks are indeed Leman Russes. You can tell they're 3rd edition because the tracks come separate.
The plastics are from the standard IG infantry sprue from 3rd ed Epic. From left to right, top to bottom:
1st row: Rough Riders on horseback
Traditionally you would put three of these on a single base to count as one unit, but you could get away with two on a base.
2nd row: 2x kneeling guys with commlinks; Commissar; Psyker; Ogryn.
Some of these could be grouped together onto one base as a command squad. If you had a few more Ogryns, you could instead put them on a base as a separate unit. The Commissar could also be placed in a regular infantry stand to give it a buff.
3rd row: Catachan guys and Valhallan guys (the Valhallans have the trenchcoats).
Both were just counted as regular infantry in 3rd ed Epic. The different sculpts were purely for decoration/fluff. I use the Catachan models as infiltrating troops rather than use Ratling models.
4th row: Heavy weapons platforms.
In theory you would put 4-5 of these on one stand, but they can also be mixed with other troops to pad them out. (I put two heavy weapons and 2-3 troopers in my heavy weapon units.)
All up, if you spread the models out on the bases a little rather than cramming the usual five guys onto each, you have enough for 2 Leman Russ Tank units, 1 Rough Rider stand, 1 Command stand, 2 infantry stands and 1 heavy weapon stand. At least, in 3rd ed Epic. I don't know what you'd do with them in other editions.
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I just managed to secure this awesome little lot of still-on-spure Epic for $150AUD (I assume good value but definitely worth it for the nostalgia)
I want to start going at it right now but I've got sooo much stuff to paint it's hard to focus on one thing!
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Post by: Pacific
Very nice!
If my knowledge of exchange rates is correct think you got a pretty good deal there!
Those plastic Land Raider were definitely a step up from the previous ones, the old RT-era like little boxy ones.
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Tardis pattern Land Raiders!
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Post by: Albertorius
Yep, those are indeed 3rd edition plastic guard models and metal LRs ^^. And also, yes, the 3rd edition box was awesome ^_^.
I am also partial to the rules, but eh
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Awesome!!!
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Thank you both Pacific and Zenithfleet for the ids! And it's nice to know i might be able to do something with them, some day. I've had these little guys sitting in a bag for a... long time.
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Hey guys - have finished some more Evil Sunz Epic Orks. This time the Nobz for the clan and a couple more Battlewagons. Once again the minis are mostly Vanguard. Definitely recommend their Wagons they are excellent, I've combined with some accessories (barrels, containers etc.) and added some crew to each vehicle.
Just another 10 stands of boys and 2 more wagons to go! (phew!)
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Lookin' krumpy, deez wunz.
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The barrels and crew really do add a lot to the wagons.
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Nice Job
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I'm back to paint Epic stuff, yay!
I've mostly been testing stuff, but I also managed to make a Vanguard Meganobz detachment:
I also did a first paint test of Wakes Emporium's excellent not-orks:
And I'm also test printing and painting Eldar stuff:
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All looking awesome!
If only Spain weren't so far away!
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Really loving the Orks! By the way, how big are the Wakes' Orks compared to the heavily armoured Skinners?
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Hmm, for a long time I've been kinda in doubt as to whether I've designed my heavily armoured Skinners too small. But I think I've gotten away with it
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Malika2 wrote:Hmm, for a long time I've been kinda in doubt as to whether I've designed my heavily armoured Skinners too small. But I think I've gotten away with it 
I'd say you have indeed
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Lovely work Albertorius!
From my experience of scales being a little bit out (from historicals and things like that), I have found you can normally get away with it as long as they are in different units and not directly next to each on the tabletop - and even then it needs a close look (or a blown up photo) to notice the difference. So I'm normally quite tolerant of it..
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Pacific wrote:Lovely work Albertorius! From my experience of scales being a little bit out (from historicals and things like that), I have found you can normally get away with it as long as they are in different units and not directly next to each on the tabletop - and even then it needs a close look (or a blown up photo) to notice the difference. So I'm normally quite tolerant of it.. Yeah, I'm not really bothered by it, but it's something to take note of ^^ Also, finished another test of Vanguard stuff:
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Man! You've really managed to make that beast come to life, especially considering how static the design itself is.
Which reminds me, you might wanna keep keep your eyes on Troublemaker Games for the next coming days/weeks...
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Malika2 wrote:Man! You've really managed to make that beast come to life, especially considering how static the design itself is.
Which reminds me, you might wanna keep keep your eyes on Troublemaker Games for the next coming days/weeks...
Oh? Well, well, well...
I'm also starting with the Chinork, which is a delightful model ^^
But, as I said, just barely started so far:
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Awesome stuff! Lots of interesting stuff coming for the Skinners soon, can't wait to see you paint them up!
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Malika2 wrote:Awesome stuff! Lots of interesting stuff coming for the Skinners soon, can't wait to see you paint them up! 
Just so you know, I am in a dire need of cool new stompas and gargants.
Putting it out there
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Love the Chinoork! How is the miniature? I would love to get one at some point.
The giant squig looks amazing as well - another thing to go on the shopping list!
Gargants-wise there are a few options around now. There are the Nuclear Shrimp games one, I also got hold of a couple of 'Steam Gargants' from a private seller on the Tactical Command forum which are nice. Bigger than the classic ones, so they scale a bit better with the modern AT titans.
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Albertorius wrote: Malika2 wrote:Awesome stuff! Lots of interesting stuff coming for the Skinners soon, can't wait to see you paint them up! 
Just so you know, I am in a dire need of cool new stompas and gargants.
Putting it out there 
I’d suggest keep your eyes on this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troublemakergames/smallscale-plastic-terrain-kits-iii-6mm-armies-vi-stls
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Very nice!
I shall be adding a pledge to that - will get the airfield at the very least.
Like that there is a very quick turn-around time on these releases too.
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Did you read the stretch goals? The first one sounds potentially interesting:
£20,000 - Plastic Skinner Ironclad Crusher Unlocked
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Good god I didn't see this answer xD.
Pledged for digital stuff, so I'll be keeping an eye on it Automatically Appended Next Post: Malika2 wrote:Did you read the stretch goals? The first one sounds potentially interesting:
£20,000 - Plastic Skinner Ironclad Crusher Unlocked
I did not. I want pics.
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Hey guys - quick question
Adeptus Titanicus - have just got hold of the starter set and am building me up some lovely Titans for Epic. Does anyone know if there are any 'shield counter' type bases available for them, as we used to use for Epic? (3-part bases, you had a small roulette inside with the shield number and you can rotate to show shields remaining as you play).
The alternative is for me to get some micro dice or similar and just build a little holder into the base terrain on the Titan.
Very grateful if anyone has come across anything!
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Niiiiiiiice
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Awesome battle shots sherrypie! Some great minis on display there too
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Thanks folks, the scale lends itself well to photography
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Wow amazing Sherrpie. Love the photos they look like something from a WD battle report. I like the first one with the Fellblade coming through the valley "Hello Boyz.. "
Out of interest what ruleset were you playing, Armageddon?
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Pacific wrote:Wow amazing Sherrpie. Love the photos they look like something from a WD battle report. I like the first one with the Fellblade coming through the valley "Hello Boyz.. "
Out of interest what ruleset were you playing, Armageddon?
"Hi Boyz, welcome to the party. Have a BLAST!"
Armageddon with EpicAU lists, yeah. The orks of Thelon Reach seem to be made for super sturdy boy hordes while their support vehicles are a bit on the expensive and not too shooty side in comparison to the traditional lists. I need to roll out more artillery in the future, given my basic legion list is mostly full of anti-armour lasers
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Looks dope. I played some Titanicus earlier tonite and was lamenting no new Epic....
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Racerguy180 wrote:Looks dope. I played some Titanicus earlier tonite and was lamenting no new Epic....
There is a really active Epic community on FB - not sure if you're able to find an opponent locally but it's pretty easy these days to get a couple of armies and get a mate to play!
This thread might help with starting, there is so much stuff out there now from 3rd parties and also 3D printing
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page
Don't need to be new and shrink-wrapped from GW to be able to play
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Simply epic!
Now think how much that would have cost in full scale.
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aphyon wrote:Simply epic!
Now think how much that would have cost in full scale.
Still less euros than points, it's not like I'm playing Krieg
*glances at the recent project pile of resin Krieg and metal Steel Legion miniatures*
...aw shiii...
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Sherrypie wrote: aphyon wrote:Simply epic!
Now think how much that would have cost in full scale.
Still less euros than points, it's not like I'm playing Krieg
*glances at the recent project pile of resin Krieg and metal Steel Legion miniatures*
...aw shiii...
That's why the guys i know playing krieg are all using 3rd party 3d printed minis that look somewhat like them but different enough to be unique...and cost about $.05 a trooper to print out.
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Post by: Pacific
Mother of God Sherrypie that is so damn impressive.
What a collection of miniatures there  I think you must surely have taken the 'lead' of largest 30k-era Epic force?
How many points-worth does that pretty pile come up to altogether?
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Pacific wrote:Mother of God Sherrypie that is so damn impressive.
What a collection of miniatures there  I think you must surely have taken the 'lead' of largest 30k-era Epic force?
How many points-worth does that pretty pile come up to altogether?
Hah, hardly. Maybe on this forum, but wouldn't necessarily count on that either. Yet
On quick napkin math, the forces presented here comprise about 20 000 points for Epic Armageddon with a surprisingly even split between the marines and the titanic units. I've seen some utterly bonkers numbers the French 30k lunatics have cobbled together, as well as the few people crazier about AdTitanicus than I am who have closing on a hundred titans in their collections. This is still almost sensible, like, you can fit it on one table without undue hassle. Which naturally is a situation that requires correcting soonishly...
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Battle reports, ahoy!
Last weekend saw some titanic action as the green line of Krytos and Solaria thundered forwards against the Ashen Gods of Favilla. On this wartorn industrial world, lightning and artillery bombarded the area incessantly as the comms lit up: the Very Important Ultramarines (in their Land Raiders, objective markers) must be extracted from the clutches of Death Guard before it is too late.
We had a bit of fun in a four player setup, giving control of the main flow of command to the players who had full maniples on the field while one lad wanted to test his Warmaster out as support and I played my Psi-Titan and some knights in support of the new player trying out a Corsair trio of my Reavers. We used a smaller hand of custom stratagems for expediency.
Both sides quickly sped forwards to claim one of the Land Raiders, before everything went to hell for the alliance.
Before the second Krytos Hound got a chance to vaporize the knights who came to claim the Raider, they executed a daring dash backwards and sped into safety, though one of their number was soon blown apart by a Basilisk battery.
The Hound in question, though, was utterly atomised by the arcane contraption in Aetheris-Anathema's hand as if its shields were not even there. A dark blast of unreality shot forwards and in an unnervingly silent moment, the inner parts of the Warhound ceased to exist this side of the Veil as the charred outer remains crumbled into wreckage on the ground.
At the green corner, the Ultramarines were being escorted into relative safety while the titans turned their guns against the incoming sneaky Cerastoi.
One did make it through the rain of plasma undeterred, though, and charged in. Slamming its lance through the heart of the other Warhound, they tangled together in death as the Hound exploded like a miniature sun.
In the other direction, the two big chonkers had been firing away at the incoming Reavers, of which Flagellum Dei got blasted apart in a radiation cloud as its tortured shields could take no more and huge balls of roaring plasma ripped through its structure. This, however, did nothing to prevent the horror that was the Psi-Titan from ravaging the Warmaster from afar. First shot tore through its sides, coolant leaking in torrents from the wound as it backed behind the large office building in vain hope of gaining cover. This was not to be, however, as the second beam of nightmares vaporized said office block in contempt and smashed into the god-machine behind. There was a screech of dying metal, followed by a blinding explosion as the remains blew sky high, unleashing the caged power of the plasma reactors within.
Alarmed and struck in the legs by the debris cloud, the Krytos Warlord Deus Invictrix blinked for a moment too long and allowed one of the Reavers, Ruina Superborum, to close in and grip it by the cojones with its fists. The wounded giant was soon toppled, smashed into the ground and screaming its last as it was sawn apart.
They day belonged to the Ashen Gods.
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Wow that is just so damned cool.. I love the shot of the knights hiding behind the building with the Warmaster looming in the background!
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Pacific wrote:Wow that is just so damned cool.. I love the shot of the knights hiding behind the building with the Warmaster looming in the background!
And a bloody good building it was, too. Gave enough cover and refused to melt to the first guns so well that the whole Banner wasn't lost and could make their charge later on instead of ceasing to exist then and there
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Post by: Albertorius
Lovely pics, Sherrypie! It's always so good to see beautifully painted armies duking out on cool terrain...
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Albertorius wrote:Lovely pics, Sherrypie! It's always so good to see beautifully painted armies duking out on cool terrain...
A normal game, you mean  ?
And cheers, a pleasure to present them to you good people.
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Post by: aphyon
Speaking of cool terrain, does anybody know what happened to gregsters lab? i love the epic scale gothic buildings but they seem to have disappeared from the vanguard site and i cannot find them anywhere else.
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Post by: Pacific
Hmm that's interesting they were there quite recently when I was looking so must be a recent change. And like you say they don't appear to be available anywhere else.
I've asked on the Tactical Command as I know the Vanguard guy posts on there, will let you know what he answers with.
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Post by: Malika2
I know that John was in talks with Gregster's Lab to get some stuff done through Print on Demand or something along those lines. No clue whatever happened there... :(
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Post by: Hellebore
Always wanted to play epic and now I've finally started building my Eldar army.
I love Eldar superheavy vehicle designs so couldn't resist having two of each vampire type.
Planning on painting them all using washes as it will help the detail pop.
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Wow excellent Hellebore, you have certainly gone straight in for the big guns there!
Do you know yet which Craftworld you will be going for?
Looking forward to seeing this develop
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Pacific wrote:Wow excellent Hellebore, you have certainly gone straight in for the big guns there!
Do you know yet which Craftworld you will be going for?
Looking forward to seeing this develop
I decided when I started collecting eldar in 2nd ed that I wouldn't go with one of the main craftworlds. Mine is Alai-Yannen and it is more of a coalition of clan controlled craftworlds than one single culture. It uses the iyanden Shinto shrine with the alaitoc sword through the middle as it's symbol.
If you're interested the basic background is as follows:
Early after the fall, several small craftworlds banded together for protection, each one bringing a strongly independent culture with them. As such they never fully integrated together, despite fusing their ships into a massive multi-segmented craftworld complex. Each ancestral domain is controlled by a specific clan and while they allow free passage between all segments of the complex, it's still very clear where each eldar's clan affiliation lies.
Leading Alai-Yannen is the triumvirate of the Clan council, Seer brotherhood and the Autarchy. Each has representatives from the clans, ensuring that no one clan has too much sway over the collective decisions of Alai-Yannen.
Now the cynical reason I created this was because I wanted to be able to field a counts as army using each of the big 5 craftworld rules, so each one is represented by one of the Clans in Alai-Yannen.
Eithiad - the Mausoleum. Most of the clan died in the centuries after the Fall due to constant raids and daemonic incursions. When they joined Alai-Yannen they did so with merely a handful of members. With vengeance burning hot as only an eldar can feel, the clan has gone to war with its dead for ten millennia, seeking some unknown end that will quieten their spirits.
Ystrafael - The Many Shadows. A daemonic incursion fractured their webway gate and the shards infected the infinity circuit, growing web way gates throughout the domain before it was stopped. Having spent so many millennia with dozens of webway gates spread across their domains, they've seemingly become like shadows in appearance and manner. But they are the most connected and reactive of the clans with their spies everywhere.
Kaela-Menshad – The Bloody Hand. A clan with an ancient warrior lineage spanning aeons, they refused to accept the destruction of the Fall and the shattering of Khaine. As their patron god, Khaine stood for all that was great about the eldar: sublime martial skill, the pinnacle of physical perfection and the unyielding fury of a righteous warrior. When Asurmen founded the aspects, the Kaela-Menshad initially refused to adopt his practices. They believed in the strength of their warrior traditions alone. It wasn’t until Asurmen’s proteges repelled a daemonic incursion ten times their number to protect Alai Yannen from annihilation did the Lords of the Bloody Hand see their value. From this moment on the Bloody Hand considered Asurmen and his first pupils, the Asuryata, as Khaine’s apostles and Asurmen his fated son. The clan dedicated itself mind and body to the Path of the Warrior so that now, every member has trod that path at least once and continues to train as veteran guardian squads when not wearing the war mask.
Uthaelu – Adamant Mind. Unlike the other clans this originally formed as a clan of ideology rather than one of blood. During the final days of the Fall, those who had resisted the descent into oblivion through asceticism and discipline came together to discuss how they might extricate themselves from the destruction surrounding them. This brotherhood of the mind escaped in their own ship, designed by the last great unsullied thinkers of the Eldar Dominion. They drifted alone in the cosmos for centuries, maintaining an unbroken meditative state. Their unbound minds explored, contemplated and learned, delving deeper into the recesses of the eldar mind than any had before. They shrouded their craft from attack and probed the skeins of fate to find one that might bring the eldar back to greatness. This lead them to the newly formed Alai-Yannen and for reasons they haven’t discussed with any other clan, they joined the coalition. Even now their clan is one of the mind and any that wish to join from the other clans may do so, but it is a permanent choice and once done may never be undone.
Faolchu Ra – The Winged Death. A storied and noble Clan of Alai Yannen, the Winged Death bears a terrible stain on their honour, a dark secret that sits beneath their untarnished exterior. Before Alai Yannen, their origins lay with the clan lords of Craftworld Saim Hann. In the centuries following the fall, each of the craftworlds was fighting a solitary war for survival and none fought harder than Saim Hann. It was during these hard times that the Faolchu Ra, then called the Thantefaelion, destroyed their honour. Saim Hann had not truly formed by this point and desperate for survival after a particularly brutal war with the orks, they turned on their fellow clansmen. Calling in Drukhari mercenaries to help them, they attempted to take control of the nascent craftworld from the wild rider lords. Bloody from war with the orks they were ill prepared for treachery from within. The fighting was brutal and the Drukhari delighted in the misery of their cousins. It was only when the Avatar roused itself from slumber, so great was the death and hatred flooding the infinity circuit and marched on the Thantefaelion did they realise how wrong they were. Imbued with just a shard of Khaine’s power and flooded with an entire craftworld’s worth of emotion, the avatar beat back the Thantefaelion until he slashed through the craftworld’s hull, cutting the entire Thantefaelion section from it in a massive blaze of volcanic fire.
The section was left to drift in space, with no functioning wraithgates or craft of any kind. By the time Alai-Yannen found them, the population had been cut in half and neither the Thantefaelion or the Drukhari were left, only the Faolchu Ra. From then on they have been paragons of honour, hoping to outrun 10,000 years of shame.
My plan is to build a large force that can represent any Eldar army list from EA. Along with some custom vehicles and new Titan patterns.
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Post by: Hellebore
Started my kitbashed eldar titan variants with the Wight armed with shuriken accelerator. Support scout titan.
Also decided to make a mk1 falcon using modern eldar aesthetics, which I'll use as a basis for other models.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, those are awesome!
Stunning, actually!
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Post by: Racerguy180
Would be cool to have the Phantom use a building to set the bipod on.
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Alpharius wrote:Yeah, those are awesome!
Stunning, actually!
Thanks. Credit goes in large part the models I used to chop up and make these, but I've always loved converting and this is the most fun I have in years.
Racerguy180 wrote:Would be cool to have the Phantom use a building to set the bipod on.
Cool image. This model is a scout though, so it's the same size as a revenant and the bipod is actually two anti grav stabiliser stalks (like you see on the ranger long rifles). The gun is mounted on a support arm over the shoulder from a unit attached at the hip.
I'll eventually do a version where it's stowed on the back and he's using his forearm weapons.
Next up is my Seraph Drop titan - the only titan that can make an orbital insertion....
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Decided to kitbash a modern tempest (the original scorpion superheavy) as a superheavy between a lynx and a scorpion in size, pulling on some of the aesthetics from the mk1 falcon.
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Post by: Panzerkanzler
I think I'm going to start playing, but where can I find a depository with 3d files? I think I'm mostly interested in files for marines, guard and mechanicus.
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Panzerkanzler wrote:I think I'm going to start playing, but where can I find a depository with 3d files? I think I'm mostly interested in files for marines, guard and mechanicus.
Dig around in Thingiverse, Cults3d, Yeggi etc. with tags like epic30k, epic, heresy, 6mm and so on. Try various synonyms, people tend to name their stuff somewhat cheekily to differ from the original names so there's plausible deniability (like "walking coffins" or "heroes' tombs" instead of dreadnoughts). For marines, the best resource is MoonJam's Galactic Crusaders line.
If you don't want to print yourself, there is also ample supply in third party designs. Vanguard Miniatures' metal models are excellent quality for all three armies you mentioned, for example.
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Post by: Sherrypie
I had to prepare at least something new for tomorrow's mega-Titanicus. Few days and maybe ~20 painting hours later:
*BWAAAAAAAAP*
Delictor Profectuum, the Eraser of Deeds, Annihilator of Achievements, walks!
This brings Legio Favilla to 13 painted titans, which... will probably not be enough, I haven't even built all my stuff
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Post by: Pacific
Well, that is absolutely amazing work Sherrypie.
Wonderful combination of colours and looks suitably mighty I think!
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Pacific wrote:Well, that is absolutely amazing work Sherrypie.
Wonderful combination of colours and looks suitably mighty I think!
Cheers Pacific.
One has to look the part when ending civilizations, it's only fair they see something impressive instead of plain ol' boring carpet bombers.
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Post by: dubman
oh, i just noticed this thread,
in , first impression i think there should be,
Drop pods, in Epic
second thought, Daemons,
and, in the end i dont deny the Nids in Epic
only guys, please comprehend , the rules dont override the beauty of the miniatures
behave yourself, the model doesnt need to look like Horror from outer space
Tzeetch blesses those who make error, to show wonderful miracle and cartoon beuty visions
duff,
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Post by: aphyon
Drop pods, in Epic
Like these
second thought, Daemons,
And these
and, in the end i dont deny the Nids in Epic.
Nids you say
If there is a 40K faction we can find it in 6-8mm
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Post by: dubman
well in regard to the greatest ever spoiler,
i am inspired greatly with my ideas that , base on some Fallout stories
basically i think, Warmaster is a most underrated game, in history
personally i think, its one of the best tabletop alternative to board gaming,
but, according to not so old Magic the gathering, set
Ikoria Lair of Behemoths,
which you can see on Scryfall ,
3 Borderless planeswalkers , japanese anime
35 Showcase cards , Fox Bird, Cat , Leviathan
Extended Art cards
Gozilla series monsters
cards with Companion, cards with Mutate ability,
i mean, i think sticking to Warhammer only , in epic is a bit dull idea
personally i see, "Gremlin" army
with very shtrong shpells,
i mean, Protection Aura
i think, that adding +1 , or +2 to armour save is a bit bargain in the game mechanics
designers could afford more in Battletop game
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Post by: Bubbalicious
Some stripes.. I mean Iron warriors for Epic 30k
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Post by: Albertorius
Woooot, so nice!
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Post by: Malika2
Niiiiiiice!
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Post by: Sherrypie
Good stuff, rolling around with those Sicarans is fun
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Post by: Pacific
Fantastic work - a very impressive looking Legion!
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Post by: Bubbalicious
Always liked the sicaran so now i hade a good excuse to paint, well, plenty of them.
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Post by: Sherrypie
It's a sleek design, I have a bunch as well. Bloody fast and shoot well in Epic30k, too.
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Post by: Albertorius
Testing the waters for some teeny teensy eldar:
The minis are gorgeous (if a tad too fragile) and I'm decently happy with the paint scheme.
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Awesome looking!
How in the hell do you paint something so small so well?!?
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Cheating, mostly xd
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Those look absolutely awesome Albertorius, more detail than my 28mm Eldar I think!
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Pacific wrote:Those look absolutely awesome Albertorius, more detail than my 28mm Eldar I think!
Heheheh, thanks!
I've painted the rest of the detachment now (well, the infantry at any rate):
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Some of the aspects I printed:
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Post by: Pacific
Well have to say those look absolutely fantastic!
Incredible level of detail.
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Post by: Albertorius
Pacific wrote:Well have to say those look absolutely fantastic!
Incredible level of detail.
Indeed, they're fabulous
I'm starting titans now too...
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But hey, painting titans is cheating. They're actually miniature sized and not made for ants...
Very nice work.
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Sherrypie wrote:But hey, painting titans is cheating. They're actually miniature sized and not made for ants...
Very nice work.
Dunno, for some reason I get much more stressed with titans than with anything else Epic xD
Thanks!
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Post by: churchofsolipsism
So much cool stuff in this thread. Love your army, it looks dark and brooding.
Man, I bet your army looks wonderful on the battlefield, surrounded with Epic-scale terrain... post more pics!
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Post by: Pacific
Fantastic work Albertorius, that's a lovely shade of blue. And I like the diorama piece on the base.
Is that miniature a 3D print?
I know what you mean about pressure with the Titans, after all they are the centrepiece of an army (definitely think it is worth spending the time to try and do as good a job as you can!)
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Pacific wrote:Fantastic work Albertorius, that's a lovely shade of blue. And I like the diorama piece on the base.
Is that miniature a 3D print?
I know what you mean about pressure with the Titans, after all they are the centrepiece of an army (definitely think it is worth spending the time to try and do as good a job as you can!)
Yup, everything is 3d printed, in this case on the Mars 3 (fun fact, the full Revenant print, with supports, "costs" 30g of resin).
And yeah, dunno... i know they will attract attention, so I get skittish I guess.
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Post by: aphyon
Well, you could say that last time i put my revenant on the table the Kreig player i was fighting dedicated all of his artillery to kill it turn 1.
So, it got loads of attention, although that meant he ignored my planes that were also carrying titan class weapons.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Some cute Triarii finished today. Roll out!
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Post by: Pacific
They look lovely, will they see action on the tabletop soon?
I have now re-started painting Epic again after a break doing other things, so look forward to posting some stuff here again before too long.
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Pacific wrote:They look lovely, will they see action on the tabletop soon?
I have now re-started painting Epic again after a break doing other things, so look forward to posting some stuff here again before too long.
Thanks. Sometimes later this week would be the plan, if the pandemic doesn't sweep in to prevent all the fun.
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I've finished off an Ork Settlement for a Great Crusade-era project I'm working on.
The idea is that during the Crusade the Empire of man is expanding and attacking ork-held worlds, which I thought would be fun for modelling.
I've gone for more of the 1st/2nd edition ( 40k) representation of Orks, where they are a bit more anthropomorphised and less bestial. In this instance they have got hold of a World Eater Rhino and are busy adding some more dakka and of course making it go faster  There is also a grot tending to a squig garden on one of the buildings.
Last image is an Evil Sunz clan which I've just finished off (mostly made up of Vanguard miniatures Skinners range)
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I done painted some more Orks! These are to go with my Evil Sunz clan and retinue and are done in unit sizes for 2nd edition Space Marine/NetEpic. Next up hope to get some World Eater special characters done (an Apothecary and Techmarine) and do some more terrain.
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A lively little settlement you've got there, Pacific
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Post by: Gitdakka
Hi! I just got into epic armageddon! I tried a game and like the rules. My minis are from vanguard.
Here are some flesh tearers and angels of porphyr I painted.
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Welcome! Welcome!
Those are some lovely little marines, an incredible level of detail you have achieved with them.
Are you painting up a full force for both chapters?
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Gitdakka wrote:Hi! I just got into epic armageddon! I tried a game and like the rules. My minis are from vanguard.
Here are some flesh tearers and angels of porphyr I painted.
Niiiiiiiice!!!
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Post by: Gitdakka
Thank you! I was thinking of getting all the minis for the "get started" scenarios, so there is quite a lot of work to do
I really like the lore for armageddon, so i'm trying to stick to those chapters who were there. I might do some mixed forces though, like having excorcists and flesh tearers make up one side.
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It's really good to have a project/target like that as it gives you a defined scope for what you want to achieve. Mine is 'paint Space Marine Legion and Ork Horde' which means I am just keeping going with no end goal in sight
I have just finished a couple of characters (Techmarine and Apothecary) for my Crusade-era World Eaters. These are a mix of minis from Vanguard ranges, as well as a few classic GW plastics mixed in. The Techmarine is accompanied by some Androids (from the old mixed plastic sprue I think). I know the colourings aren't correct for their Rhinos (or for the marines themselves actually) but I wanted a way for them to be identifiable on the tabletop.
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Post by: Gitdakka
They look sweet. Did you make the little banners yourself? What materials were used?
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Thanks man - yes the banners were just some small bits of thick printing paper with an old Epic banner pole - although I also use paper clips - paint and then varnish to keep sealed, then with a decal (I think from FW 30k range) on top.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Foil from bottle etiquettes or paste tubes is another traditional material, which is relatively easy to shape however you wish.
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Post by: Hairesy
I have looked at all the pictures in this thread and come to the conclusion that I have been wasting my hobby time. After this HH army is done I'm going Epic and never looking back.
Who wants to trade toys? LOL!
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Post by: aphyon
Well, it will definitely be easier on the bank account.
Especially when you can get all those big shiny FW superheavies in epic scale for fractions of the cost. i think my macharius's from vanguard were like $10 each.
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Not gonna lie, jealous of the massive 9000 point armies that fit on one paint table.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Hairesy wrote:Not gonna lie, jealous of the massive 9000 point armies that fit on one paint table.
Luckily, joining that club is very easy
So what armies will you be doing?
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Post by: Pacific
Welcome to the one true path, Hairesy!
And only 9000 points on your painting table? Well, that might be OK just for starters!
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Sherrypie wrote: Hairesy wrote:Not gonna lie, jealous of the massive 9000 point armies that fit on one paint table.
Luckily, joining that club is very easy
So what armies will you be doing?
Well I suppose I'll be looking to replicate my personal favorite Chapter, the Lamenters, of which I have a few points in 40k. That should be a good start, I've always enjoyed the Badab War so I it would be great if I could do another BW Chapter, one that my Lamenters could fight, say Minotaurs or Novamarines. Then perhaps I'll branch out into Chaos, always been a big World Eaters fan as well. Also don't mind Biel Tan either.
Seems as though the sky is the limit when the models are so small! Hopefully the wife agrees...
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Post by: aphyon
Well you have options, as you go through the old post you can see many of the finished armies myself and others have posted, rather you wish for 30K or 40K armies you can pretty well do whatever your heat desires. i built every 40K army i ever wanted in epic scale, that i would never have had the time or money to do in full scale.
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Post by: Hairesy
I was particularly intrigued by the fellow playing 40K rules with his 6mm figures. Seems like a great way to play with your minis while you build up the points level.
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Post by: aphyon
That would probably be me
We use the index 8th ed rules. it is super simple-no facings, no terrain interaction other than giving +1 to armor saves or blocking LOS. and there are only 3 stratagems that are available to all factions. we just halve all the ranges for movement and weapons ranges.
The detachment system at the start of 8th makes building an epic scale army however you want much easier than using the actual old epic rules (our guard player could not build his current force under the epic rules). it also gives the units a bit more flavor than the old epic rules.
It takes about 2 hours to play an equivalent 10K point game at this scale with those rules. it also gives real meaning to the usefulness of transports. things like the thunderhawk transporter, valkyrie lifter, the orca tau transport etc... become incredibly useful where in a normal 28mm game the table is too small for them to have any real impact other than as display models.
28mm 40K games have often been describes as a small section of the front lines where your forces are fighting as part of a larger battle. epic gives you the opportunity to be the entire battleline instead of just a section.
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Post by: Hairesy
I have owned a couple different flyers since 6th and always found them to be too big. Even on a 6x4 table they don't seem to have enough room.
Where should I look for minis? I'd prefer not to get them from overseas though. Canada Post is absolute crap and not likely to get better any time soon. What ought I keep an eye out for if I happen to find a decent game shop?
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Post by: Pacific
There are a whole bunch of different Epic rules Hairesy, I would definitely check some of them out as by many opinions they are some of the best rulesets that GW has ever released.
As well as being able to get hold of the original Space Marine or Titan Legion rules, here are a few listed below. This is from a new Epic player guide which is linked in my sig (and people are probably getting sick of me plugging  )
Armageddon (also called 'NetEpic' and 'NetEpic Armageddon' - the currently live & ongoing development of the 4th edition of the game) http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp/rules/ or https://www.net-armageddon.org/rules.html
NetEpic Gold (a 'finalised', and very nicely presented, version of 1st/2nd edition Epic Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine) http://www.netepic.org/netepic.html
Epic 40,000 (based on GW's 3rd edition of the game - the very fast/streamlined, but short-lived, one) https://app.box.com/s/u2lp17fjol5izgcihdcwz4liulm7v8mr
Imperius Dominatus From the creators of NetEpic Gold, Horus Heresy/30k ruleset. Rules and army lists freely downloadable from the website. Plans to release alien factions (everything from 40k and Epic historically)
There are a lot of different opinions on which system is superior, but what is undeniable is that each gives a different play experience. Armageddon (at least in the UK) is a really popular tournament game - it's a very 'tight' system of rules and very tactical. If you play it you will totally see what I mean, I would say it's a 'proper' wargame, for anyone that has played historicals or games of that nature. You have to use combined arms, really think about combinations of attack and defense, cross-fires etc.
I personally prefer NetEpic Gold because it's a community-revised version of Epic Space Marine 2nd edition (game from early 90s - probably GWs most popular and highest selling Epic game) which I loved, and some of the armies (Orks and Chaos in particular) are a lot more fun to play. It also gives more of a feel of a commander looking down on a mass battle and planning a strategy as you have to give orders at the start of a turn and then are stuck with them, so you have to try and predict what your opponent is doing - I really like that side of it.
Epic 40,000 was described by Jervis Johnson as the best version of the game. It's the one I have least experience of but is meant to be very fast and smooth to play.
The great thing of course is that with some very minor variations you can use the same miniature collection for all of them, and see which you like the most!
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Post by: aphyon
Hairesy wrote:I have owned a couple different flyers since 6th and always found them to be too big. Even on a 6x4 table they don't seem to have enough room.
Where should I look for minis? I'd prefer not to get them from overseas though. Canada Post is absolute crap and not likely to get better any time soon. What ought I keep an eye out for if I happen to find a decent game shop?
I live on the west coast of the US and i have had zero problems with vanguard miniatures. even based in the UK he gets my stuff to me within a week.
They have guard, eldar, orks, machanicus, space marines(including chaos) some large nids like the hierophant in 15mm
https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/defeat-in-detail-6mm/
The other big company is onslaught miniatures based in the USA
They have sisters, guard, tau, dark eldar, all the rest of the nids, kroot, chaos and even squats
https://www.onslaughtmini.com/11-6mm-sci-fi
Your other option is to look around for the 3d print services like scourge scenics for guard, space marine and ork vehicles.
https://www.scourgescenics.co.uk/shop/product-category/6mm
the only place i know of that has a large collection of necron stuff is trolls under the bridge.
https://www.trolls.cz/
damn they have a nice monolith mini now....must resist the urge
some of the other guys here like sherrypie and pacific can point you towards more of the 3d print stuff than i can.
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Thanks, both of you. Pacific and aphyon. Now I just need to drum up some funding! And convince my wife to let me spend it on yet more toys!
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I found at least with Epic it is much easier to sneak stuff in through the door, and a lot of stuff can arrive safely in a small Jiffy bag, which arouses a lot less suspicion
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Post by: aphyon
I'm glad i married a gamer. my wife doesn't care what i get, or how long i spend at the FLGS on game night. of course, i self regulate and spend more time on terrain now than building armies.
I am at the point i think i have enough stuff to keep me busy between the 10+ games i play to the point many of them have not seen the table in a while. lately classic battletech, warmachine and DUST have been in heavy rotation, infinity and heavy gear less so. although i am feeling the urge for some castles in the sky or epic 40K.
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Some ork vehicles I've just slapped with rust to finish them fast (and test the aforementioned rust ^^):
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Those look really great Albertorius. Will you be adding any crew to them or anything like that?
Those ones at the back are carrying some very large looking firepower! I would say a high chance the one on the right especially might do a 360 in the air if it fires
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Pacific wrote:Those look really great Albertorius. Will you be adding any crew to them or anything like that?
Those ones at the back are carrying some very large looking firepower! I would say a high chance the one on the right especially might do a 360 in the air if it fires
Thanks!
Yes, the plan is printing some orks to put as crewmembers at least on the flatbeds.
And you can never get enuff dakka, you know
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Post by: Sherrypie
They just need to drive forwards really fast to counteract the recoil...
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So i got a training game in for epic 40K using the index 8th ed rules at half ranges-
My opponent decided to try out my necrons. i went with the arch rivals the eldar. the war in heaven continues.
We were right around 300PL or 6K game of necrons VS eldar (iyanden).
With 4 superheavies on both sides it turned into a very bloody mess. the eldar made the necrons pay for it but, in the end they came up a bit short. both sides lost their HQs (the revenant exploding got one of the lords), the eldar lost all of their superheavies, and most of their heavy tank support. on the flip side the necrons lost 2 of 4 pylons but also most of their sizable air force. starting with 12 and ending with just 3.
The entire game lasted 5 turns and about 2 hours.
The eldar deployment
The necron deployment
The eldar go first and advance on the necrons
The necrons strike back
The battle rages with many casualties
The necrons push the eldar back
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Very compact for Gorgons, but looking nifty
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More epic battles- using index 8th ed rules with half ranges
Unfortunately, it was me loaning out my armies to fight myself again but at least it was a fun game-
Iyanden eldar VS DKOKI armor with imperial air and titan support-
The deployment-
The imperial force got to go first and it hurt-the volcano cannon on the reaver nearly deleted my revenant in one shot.
The ground battle was a bloody trade off but the save for the eldar came in the form of the super heavy flyers, that despite the imperial best efforts managed to swing around and demolish the opposite flank of the imperial force.
The eldar force may have won the day but they lost nearly all the wave serpents, a titan, a flyer and the scorpion super heavy tank was on 2 wounds.
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Post by: Chrissingy86
Well I finally got round to picking up a few models and actually attempting this again after about 20 years, I’m not going to lie the range and type of citadel paints nowadays blew my head off. So here’s my avatar of khaine bought from a decent gent on eBay for a steal at £7.00.
Intimidating but highly enjoyable.
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Post by: aphyon
Another epic game...i loaned out and helped a bit with somebody trying out epic scale play. pitting my space marines VS another guys thousand sons rubric terminator themed force.
This one was a real air war with 9 on one side and 5 on the other. the chaos forces went first and all through the game the lords of fate were with the 15th legion....so many rolls of 5+ were made, so while the forces of chaos took a beating they gave far better back.
This game would roughly equal a 7500 point game in 8th ed.
P.S. i forgot to bring some of my flying bases so a couple thunderhawks on my side had to fly on the ground.
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Post by: Pacific
I've finished a terrain piece for Great Crusade-era Epic, an airfield. The idea is that its an objective in the game and components of it get swapped in and out depending on who has control of it (I got this idea from an old Command & Conquer PC game which had a similar concept). Control of the objective will confer some limited game bonus, such as an airstrike/barrage that can be brought in each turn.
A fair few photos so I have hidden behind spoiler tags
The terrain is a mix of different bits with a few conversions.
The large hangers and control tower are from Blotz 6mm range (very reasonably priced MDF terrain Blotz Cityscape - I added a 40k Crozius Arcanium from a marine chaplain to the tower and added a few decals to make it more appropriate for the setting. The smaller green hangers and gun emplacements are small resin kits from ebay.
The runway itself is a Galeforce Nine Team Yankee modern roads set, with some extra markings to denote it as a runway (that game is 15mm so roads at that scale look just about right as a runway).
The miniatures are a mix of GW Aeronautica Imperialis for the Valkyries and Ork Bombers, classic GW for the Marine Land Raiders/Rhinos and Ork wagons. The infantry and other vehicles are most Vanguard Miniatures Novan and Skinner ranges.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Good stuff, Paz!
I like those types of objectives with small but tactile bonii during the game. When I wrote the scenario for our last year's Titanicus megabattle, we had half of the objectives on the table grant the players victory points and the other half gave them this kind of benefits (artillery base allowed bombarding, airfield allowed field supply, tank depot let you drive Fellblades around etc.). Livens up the table nicely.
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Epic & CnC, I absolutely love it! Great work, Pacific
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Thanks guys! I am trying to put together enough terrain for a big participation/expo game (I'm aiming for about 10k pts+ ) in October so still need to get a move on!
SherryPie - tank depot sounds like an interesting idea. Imagine having a dozen 'inactive' baneblades or fellblades sat there as a terrain piece (would you have to be one for 3D printing!)
I was just putting together some Ork Nobz stands, its really fun using a mix of different miniature ranges (and I think with Orks you can get away with it!) Got I think several editions of Epic in there (inc. some minis I painted about 30 years ago!) as well as some Vanguard Skinners range.
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
Pacific where will that be in October?
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The plan is Firestorm Games nr Cardiff at their new venue. Hopefully adverts for it will go up next month.
Myself and a couple of friends are running it, idea is people can come along and take control of sections of either army. Or even just have a look at the game & miniatures, I think there are a whole generation now that won't have known Epic as a game (but hopefully would be intrigued by it)
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Post by: Malika2
Little diorama by Crablezworth using my designs:
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Post by: Pacific
Those look fantastic! Lovely little diorama, I will have to order me some.
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Post by: Malika2
If you have a printer you can order them either from my Cults3d or through Vanguard. If you need printed versions, there are retailers out there who sell printed versions of my designs.
Check here for more on that: https://linktr.ee/bitsblitzdesigns
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Post by: Pacific
I've finished up a unit - World Eater Field Police (Consul-Opsequiari)
Malika - I think I mentioned this on my B&C thread but thanks a lot for coming up with this idea!
These are from an old piece of RT-era lore which has been brought back into the modern 30k books. The official example of them is with the Space Wolves (basically a police unit to make sure they follow orders!) but I thought it fitted with the World Eaters during the tail-end of the Great Crusade too. In Epic Space Marine, I'm using these as 'counts as' Commissars (which you get free with Imperial Army companies, and don't really make sense in a 30k/Great Crusade setting), with a small extra rule that means you can use them to allow Marine units to automatically pass morale tests if you want to - with a chance that the marine unit might lose a squad in the process of 'reinforcing orders' or the Field Police unit itself might get destroyed!
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Post by: Sherrypie
Loving the MP's, Paz. I've always enjoyed such elements in the lore and have similar officers in my 28 mm force to keep recruits in line
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Post by: Pacific
Thanks mate!
I'm hoping they will produce amusing scenarios in the game
Some final bits (for the time being) on the old World Eaters now. A few other elements to add but I will be pushing 10k of points (Epic Space Marine/Titan Legions) so really need to do some catch-up work with the Orks!
Firstly, a Shadowsword company. One of these I think had started to get lead rot (but they are so bloody expensive now I couldn't just throw it away  ). I've done my best to treat it using some guidance I found online, but will wait and see if it starts to turn to Nurgle I guess!
Then a marine Devastator company. I like the idea of World Eaters shooting stuff, so enjoyed making and painting these! Got to use a few of the new Vanguard champion minis for the Command stand, which are really cool, very characterful.
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Post by: Malika2
Niiiiiice
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Post by: Pacific
I have realised I've jumped up to almost 10k in pts (Space Marine/Titan Legions) for my Crusade-era Legion force and only about a third of that for Orks - whoops! So have got hold of some minis, including some classic GW and proxies for a Snakebite clan from Vanguard, and am finishing off others.
First up a pair of Snakebite Clan steam gargants. These are from a chap doing his own casts over on the Tactical Command forum
I've accessorised them with Vanguard miniatures - Gretchin crew, an Ork on lookout amongst other bits
Wasn't too sure about the steam effect, they are bits of cotton wool that are magnetised in place so can be removed if needed
A few additions to the bases, titan and gargant bases are a great opportunity for little dioramas I have found. An Imperial Army gun crew runs for it, while a biker boy carries out a highly dangerous manouever directly in front of the approaching Gargant
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Post by: Sherrypie
Great stuff, Paz! Dioramic basing is always great, as is the wool smoke effect.
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Post by: Malika2
Where are the Squiggoths?
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Post by: RexHavoc
Been very slowly working my way through more of my ork backlog. A very huge mega sized bad moon big gun and a whole bunch of crew. Just finishing up a batch of infantry, which includes rebasing a couple of my stands that had the old (horrid) sand basing.
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Niiiiiiiice
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
RexHavoc wrote:Been very slowly working my way through more of my ork backlog. A very huge mega sized bad moon big gun and a whole bunch of crew.
Just finishing up a batch of infantry, which includes rebasing a couple of my stands that had the old (horrid) sand basing.
Your Orks look awesome, great sculpts and well painted, where are the models from?
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Post by: Malika2
AllSeeingSkink wrote: RexHavoc wrote:Been very slowly working my way through more of my ork backlog. A very huge mega sized bad moon big gun and a whole bunch of crew.
Just finishing up a batch of infantry, which includes rebasing a couple of my stands that had the old (horrid) sand basing.
Your Orks look awesome, great sculpts and well painted, where are the models from?
You might wanna check out the Skinners range by Vanguard Miniatures: LINK
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Fantastic work RexHavoc! I have just painted those guys and can appreciate how small they are, that's a really neat job.
@Malika - the squiggoths are coming! I recently got some from a very helpful chap in the FB group - Im combining it with the Vanguard mighty Squiggoth, so it will be like mamma squiggoth being followed by its squiglets  (or whatever young squiggoths are called!)
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Malika2 wrote:Niiiiiiiice
Thanks bud!
AllSeeingSkink wrote: RexHavoc wrote:Been very slowly working my way through more of my ork backlog. A very huge mega sized bad moon big gun and a whole bunch of crew.
Just finishing up a batch of infantry, which includes rebasing a couple of my stands that had the old (horrid) sand basing.
Your Orks look awesome, great sculpts and well painted, where are the models from?
Yeap as above, they are mostly from vanguard (Though a plastic GW grot is in there too!)
Pacific wrote:Fantastic work RexHavoc! I have just painted those guys and can appreciate how small they are, that's a really neat job.
@Malika - the squiggoths are coming! I recently got some from a very helpful chap in the FB group - Im combining it with the Vanguard mighty Squiggoth, so it will be like mamma squiggoth being followed by its squiglets  (or whatever young squiggoths are called!)
Thanks! Yeah some of them are very detailed but so small!
Finished up some Bad Moon infantry today & rebased a couple of older stands with the new basing materials. I do need to add the snow and more tufts, but I'll rather do that in one huge batch when I've gotten through a lot more of the backlog!
My camera on my phone really hates photographing Epic, I'll have to fish my proper camera out soon or invest in something with a proper macro lens!
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Post by: Pacific
They look great! Think the different miniature types mix really well together.
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Post by: Gitdakka
I achieved my first milestone in my epic armageddon project. I'm trying to build up forces for all the tutorial scenarios in the rule book. Here are the complete forces for scenario 1A, 6x4 tactical marines split up to a "red and blue" side, consisting of flesh tearers, excorcists, angels of porphyr and ultramarines.
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Did some test prints of some Epic Ultrasmurfs. Posted over on the 3d printing forum also.
I had a bout of nostalgia when I saw the cover of my old Epic 40k armies book and had to do the old red gun style Ultras, lol. I dunno if I'll continue with that theme, the goal was to do HH era marines and they tend to be more blue-white-black-gold rather than blue-white-red-gold of the 90's Ultramarines.
Trying to decide on a base size, so I mocked up a blutac 32mm round base and 25mm square to see how they looked, I'm leaning towards square but maybe bigger than 25mm.
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The red really makes them pop right? I mean, they look amazing!
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Yeah, it does make them stand out, just not sure I’ll like it on a whole army, the typical HH ultra scheme is more subdued, but maybe at this scale it’s better to have some extra pop?
One thing that impressed me was the rivets on the rhino and predator printed at this scale, lol. The original STL didn’t have them, so I added them half expecting them not to print, pleasant surprise.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Very nice indeed, AllSeeingSkink. I wouldn't worry too much about the red, go for it if you like it and leave it off if you don't. Lots of variation within the legions, there's room for both subdued and more flamboyant schemes.
Personally I like the look of it, the result is delightfully retro with your bright blue.
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Post by: Pacific
They look fantastic AllSeeingSkink!
Agree that the colours pop really nicely.
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Some crappy pictures of an epic game I played over the weekend.
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"Some crappy pictures" is obviously a subjective term, they look bloody brilliant!
Wow that looks like a good game and I like the combination of terrain, and the Aeronautica minis go really well with it too. The important question, who won the game?
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Yeah, those look great to me.
I've been working on some Ultra infantry, not gonna lie, these guys took longer to paint than I was hoping, lol, probably about 10 minutes per model, which given how many I intend to paint was a bit slower than I was hoping. The vehicles go pretty quick though, got a dozen Predators and another 3 Spartans coming.
What do people think about basing? I can't decide. The dudes on the left are 40x15mm (same width but a bit deeper than the original Epic bases), the dudes on the right are 25x25. As I went for 8mm, the original 40mm wide bases maybe feel a bit too cramped now, and I haven't even printed any Terminators yet.
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Orderly lines like the strips on the left would fit Ultras well, methinks. Unless you want to put some more effort into scenic basing, in which case I'd go with 40 x 20 mm bases.
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I have reached the next milestone in my epic armageddon project, and now the forces for training scenario 2 are ready. Rhinos were great fun to paint
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Gitdakka wrote:I have reached the next milestone in my epic armageddon project, and now the forces for training scenario 2 are ready. Rhinos were great fun to paint
Those look awesome! Can I feature them on the very unofficial Vanguard Miniatures Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you’re on Instagram as well.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Looks great! How big is the vanguard infantry? I was wanting some not-DKOK epic but wasn’t sure if they’d be tall enough.
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Malika2 wrote: Gitdakka wrote:I have reached the next milestone in my epic armageddon project, and now the forces for training scenario 2 are ready. Rhinos were great fun to paint
Those look awesome! Can I feature them on the very unofficial Vanguard Miniatures Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you’re on Instagram as well.
Absolutely, go ahead!
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:Looks great! How big is the vanguard infantry? I was wanting some not- DKOK epic but wasn’t sure if they’d be tall enough.
I bought a squad of guardsmen to test paint aswell.
Notice in my picture thet the guardsmen are a bit smaller thah the marines.
It's hard to measure but seems like they are 7mm to the eyes and 8mm to top of helmet. This includes their metal rondell though, i just glued it ontop of a regular 25mm base, no slots.
The marines are 8mm to eyes, and 9mm to top of head
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Gitdakka wrote: Malika2 wrote: Gitdakka wrote:I have reached the next milestone in my epic armageddon project, and now the forces for training scenario 2 are ready. Rhinos were great fun to paint
Those look awesome! Can I feature them on the very unofficial Vanguard Miniatures Instagram fanpage? I can tag you if you’re on Instagram as well.
Absolutely, go ahead!
Awesome! Are you also on Instagram? I can tag you then
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No that's ok. I never use insta.
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Sherrypie wrote:Orderly lines like the strips on the left would fit Ultras well, methinks. Unless you want to put some more effort into scenic basing, in which case I'd go with 40 x 20 mm bases.
I don't see me doing much in the way of scenic basing. Was planning on throwing down some Vallejo Thick Mud texture paint, give it a wash and a drybrush and that's about it.
I'll probably do another army after this one, not sure which army yet, maybe a traitor Space Marine, or perhaps Tyranids or Eldar.
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Post by: Pacific
Some very good eyes evidently in this thread!
Beautiful work AllSeeingSkink and Gitdakka, looking forward to seeing what comes next.
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Thanks, my hands and eyes aren't what they used to be, I'm in awe of some of the stuff I've seen in this thread.
The omega symbols on the shoulder pads are probably the smallest things I'd attempt to paint, and they're pretty rough. But I found at this scale, even being rough they add some much needed contrast. Even just a dot on the shoulder pad looks better on the table top (maybe not in close up photos though). Luckily the omega is a pretty easy symbol to paint.
There's not much exciting coming from me in the near future, I have another 50 marines to paint, a few more Rhinos to get up to 8 total, another 3 Spartans, another 6 Predators, another 17 bikes... all of which were part of my test paints so nothing new. I have printed up some Contemptors, but like an idiot I did them with twin autocannons that are extremely delicate at this scale, lol, if I do any more of them I'll probably print them with Assault Cannons or something like that.
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So here we have more of the same.
I always wanted a Predator squadron, my favourite 40k tank, now after 25 years I finally have one (just in small scale  ).
After this I have a bunch of bikes and enough Tac Marines to fill those Rhinos already printed and ready to paint. After that I might take a break from the Ultramarines to do some Titans as I just bought the Adeptus Titanicus starter set (not so much for the purpose of playing AT as it was to get the Titans to add to the Epic forces).
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Why not both, great games as they are
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About to start painting some 6-8 mm HH, a lot of inspirational paint jobs in this thread. Thanks!
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I have no familiarity with AT (even the old versions). Is it a pretty simple game to pick up? I don't really want to learn another complicated set of rules right now and most GW games seem to be over complicated, Epic and Aeronautica Imperialis probably being the exceptions. I only glanced at the AT rulebook that came in the boxed set and thought "this feels like a weighty tomb" and didn't really look much more of it
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I have no familiarity with AT (even the old versions). Is it a pretty simple game to pick up? I don't really want to learn another complicated set of rules right now and most GW games seem to be over complicated, Epic and Aeronautica Imperialis probably being the exceptions. I only glanced at the AT rulebook that came in the boxed set and thought "this feels like a weighty tomb" and didn't really look much more of it 
Best game currently made by GW, like cooler Battletech without Excel spreadsheets. It's certainly crunchy mechanicswise, but intuitive to play once you grok the flow of the gameplay decisions. With only a handful of minis per side, they have space to be interesting on the resource management front (the game is about bipedal nuclear warships maneuvering to kill each other while riding caged explosions, after all). The starter box contains a fully playable force of about 1200 points, regular games being mostly between 1250-1750 points.
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Very nice work again AllSeeingSkink! That is a beautiful looking force you are building there.
On painting Epic it used to be super fast as you had so little detail on the miniatures - my orks used to be a main colour for whichever clan they were, blob of green on the head (maybe hands if you were feeling adventurous and boltgun metal on the gun). The titans and larger tanks were the opportunity to make a nice display piece but you could knock through a whole clan in the time it took to paint a couple of 28mm miniatures.
Now with some of the new proxy miniatures (Vanguard & Onslaught) and 3D prints, as well as slight scale increase, they are carrying enough detail to really go to town on them. This is nice, but it does mean they can take a long time to paint (and also have to be careful with eye strainI have found) - I try and add a bit of detail but still mostly use washes and drybrushes, and leave the chapter symbols to the mentalists! xD
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Pacific wrote:Very nice work again AllSeeingSkink! That is a beautiful looking force you are building there.
On painting Epic it used to be super fast as you had so little detail on the miniatures - my orks used to be a main colour for whichever clan they were, blob of green on the head (maybe hands if you were feeling adventurous and boltgun metal on the gun). The titans and larger tanks were the opportunity to make a nice display piece but you could knock through a whole clan in the time it took to paint a couple of 28mm miniatures.
Now with some of the new proxy miniatures (Vanguard & Onslaught) and 3D prints, as well as slight scale increase, they are carrying enough detail to really go to town on them. This is nice, but it does mean they can take a long time to paint (and also have to be careful with eye strainI have found) - I try and add a bit of detail but still mostly use washes and drybrushes, and leave the chapter symbols to the mentalists! xD
Thanks!
I think I'm just a slow painter, I'm painting them with a pretty simple technique, it just takes me a while, lol.
Your Orks are looking great! Love the cult of speed, would love to get a detachment of them done up myself some day if I can find some good models (I think I have a single blister's worth of the old metal buggies and that's about it, lol).
In general I'd love to get an Ork army going, I've been thinking of digitally sculpting a Great Gargant in the square-body style of the mid 90's, one of my favourite models but I'd like one slightly upsized to match the current Adeptus Titanicus scale, from memory they should be roughly the size of a Reaver. I don't have an original one, but from the pictures I've seen I'm guessing it's smaller than the new AT Warhound Titan.
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If you do find a good new Gargant design please let me know! I have been searching for a while and not found many good candidates at that scale.
There was a really great one from Nuclear Shrimp Games, which was apparently about 12-13cm tall, but sadly he isn't trading at the moment.
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I'll let you know if I see anything. What I want is something that is "inspired" by this guy...
I'm tempted to just buy one of the old ones off ebay as it's one of those models that inspired me as a kid, but it'll be a midget next to my Imperial stuff.
I feel like I could do a digital model of that in like a day or two because it's all angular surfaces (full time day or two, so probably a month or two in actual calendar time) but given my lack of free time I dunno if it's worth the effort, lol.
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Post by: Gitdakka
Painted up a squad of predator tanks!
And also a dreadnought
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Lovely work sir!
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65 Tactical Marines. Got 15 to go, but it's going slow as I've been getting pains in my hands that make it difficult to paint for long periods. If it weren't for that they only take a few minutes each to paint.
After these I've got a bunch of bikes, then I think I'll either print some more stuff or swap to something else. I do want to get some Terminators painted up to fill those Spartans, and I guess a couple of command squads, but haven't printed any of that yet. A Roboute would be nice too, but I don't have a model either physical or STL for him.
This isn't how they'll be based, this is just somewhere for me to put them while I figure out the basing, though I do kinda like the look of them deployed as a horde like that  My plan for basing is to print off bases, but have a small hollow in the bottom so I can attach some sheet metal, that way I can transport it all in a magnetic storage container.
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Those look fantastic! Change the camera angle, add a couple of Titans behind and you could do the cover of the SM 2nd edition boxset!
Are you thinking of classic bases type or something more exotic?
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Looking mighty fine, AllSeeingSkink.
In E:A gaming related proceedings:
Full on fog of war shenanigans afoot as our Kriegspielmageddon project rolls on to its sixth installment, Battle of Taranus Populus. Six players, some 20,000 points of troops on the field and all to fight for as Selen II's freedom fighters struggle for independence against the Imperial Guard and their Astartes allies.
Full report:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/786958.page#11445711
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Sherrypie I am lost for words for how cool that campaign looks. That's honestly a dream of mine to be involved in something like that, I hope it is as much fun as it sounds! Absolutely astounding.
Skinflint Games I know I said in the other thread but great job with those Boyz, that is an impressive horde you are amassing
I have finished a Termite unit for my Great Crusade forces. Always wanted to use these as the miniatures are so damned cute - although I have filled them with Berserkers to make them somewhat less cute now!
I loved the idea of the Berserkers being contained in the Termite (this is what happens when you don't follow orders and keep attacking the wrong stuff just to collect skulls!)
Then finally a 'Centurion' unit (counts as 'Chaplain') to lead the Berserkers, with a decorated base.
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Thanks Paz, it's a lot of fun. Currently one of the defending players has amused themselves by drafting the planet's official independence documents and I'm starting to run RPG spec- op raids between the main battles as well. On the roll like that
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I dunno if I'll try and do a whole force of them, but here's an Alpha Legion test paint.
I think the blue probably needs to be airbrushed, just ended up too messy, but it looks okay from a distance, lol.
Also wanted to try purple tinting instead of green (as AL are described as "indigo blue" in the Legion book). But unfortunately purple shade over blue doesn't really look purple, it just looks like darker blue.
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Made some progress with my marines, here are ultramarines devastators and command squad
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Lots of blue here nowadays, carry on fellas
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I bought a few Vanguard Siege dudes... they are maybe a bit too small
I dunno, they're really nice models, but I wish they were 1.5mm taller, lol. Dunno if I'll get more of them to fill out a regiment, they looked better unpainted because I don't have a steady enough of a hand to paint them well. I wish I could get STLs so I could print them out a bit bigger.
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Pacific wrote:
Skinflint Games I know I said in the other thread but great job with those Boyz, that is an impressive horde you are amassing
Cheers Pacific, still a Snakebite clan to add and tonight we will be mostly building Leviathans, Colossuses (Colossi?) and Cyclopses out of defunct asthma inhalers ;-)
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Very nice work chaps! And yes a lot of Blue Legions
Speaking of Snakebites Skinflint games I have just finished a Clan. The Orks are mostly Vanguard miniatures. There are some classic GW minis (the Squiggoths and Squig Catapults) and the terrain is a mix of some 3D printed buildings (mighty-minis- uk.com) and the grub mounds and little squig things are from CPmodels.co. uk. I've tried to come up with something that would be like the Snakebite Ork homelands, or the conception prior to 2nd/3rd edition when the mushroom fluff got added and Orks became more bestial.
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Post by: Malika2
Very nice stuff!
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Those Orks look great, you're tempting me to start a force of my own.
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Some predator tanks
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And some of my friends newly painted stuff
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Lovely stuff there Gitdakka. What sort of collection are you hoping to make?
Thanks for the kind comments guys! AllSeeingSkink - I would definitely recommend starting an Ork force  There is so much stuff around now, if you proxy with vanguard or 3D prints, its really easy to collect. Also if you ever decide to give the Epic Space Marine/Titan Legions/NetEpic rules a try the Orks are the most fun army you will ever play, they are just so characterful. But massively destructive too, people will laugh at how your squig has just turned round and stampeded your own troops, but then look down to see half of their army missing from the next shot
A big moment for me as I've finally managed to assemble a group shot of my Great Crusade-era World Eaters. These represent probably about 3 years of work on and off so it's been a long time getting here (I know a lot of people can paint the same at 28mm over the same period!) This is one half of the force, the other being Orks, that I'm hoping to use for a big participation/exhibition Epic game in March next year, at Firestorm Games in Cardiff.
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Pacific wrote:Lovely stuff there Gitdakka. What sort of collection are you hoping to make?
Thanks for the kind comments guys! AllSeeingSkink - I would definitely recommend starting an Ork force  There is so much stuff around now, if you proxy with vanguard or 3D prints, its really easy to collect. Also if you ever decide to give the Epic Space Marine/Titan Legions/NetEpic rules a try the Orks are the most fun army you will ever play, they are just so characterful. But massively destructive too, people will laugh at how your squig has just turned round and stampeded your own troops, but then look down to see half of their army missing from the next shot
A big moment for me as I've finally managed to assemble a group shot of my Great Crusade-era World Eaters. These represent probably about 3 years of work on and off so it's been a long time getting here (I know a lot of people can paint the same at 28mm over the same period!) This is one half of the force, the other being Orks, that I'm hoping to use for a big participation/exhibition Epic game in March next year, at Firestorm Games in Cardiff.

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@Pacific: what can we expect next in your army? You should ask John from Vanguard to give you his “non-Angron”!
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Looking mighty fine, Paz! Is the exhibition game going to be just your WE vs. your orks or will there be other armies massing on the same table as well?
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Thanks guys!
@Malika - Thanks I might ask him! That would definitely be a cool centre-piece. I have a few more bits and pieces to add to this force, then a bunch more Orks. I had a fun idea of using the Vanguard Chinork with some 'special ops' ork Freebooterz so I need to order one of those!
@Sherrypie - Its probably going to be just my WE vs. Orks, I'm hoping ultimately about 16k-20k (using 2nd ed/Titan Legions rules) on a 12ft board. I really want to recreate the look of the mega battles my local GW ran when I was a kid, and trying to appeal perhaps to people who remember Epic or perhaps haven't heard of the concept before. Hopefully after participating make them want to try the game too as I think the game not being widely played any more is such a shame.
As a 'surprise' there might be some Eldar raiders in the wings too, who will swoop in and start collecting slaves from broken units and things like that (and which can be used to help balance the game if it starts sloping too much one way).
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@Pacific
Thanks alot! I'm building all the forces for the "learn to play" scenarios in epic armageddon
That's one wicked world eaters army you got. My favourites are the retro dreadnoughts
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COR AUT MORS!
Excidium Ultimum, the Ultimate Ruin, Warmaster of the Ashen Gods, marches to war engines and weapons blazing. Pretty happy with the freehanded checkers, lines and banners, hadn't done those for a long time.
She's escorted by the XIV legion, who are certainly not the bigger people in this relationship.
Some close-ups on the legs. I'm satisfied with those checkers and especially with the knee-joint NMM.
The Grav Imploder is running pretty hot.
Freehanding banners was something I haven't really done, though not that different from regular acrylic painting I did a lot of as a teenager. It was fun... and thus something I'll probably have to do more of in the future, oh dear.
Naturally there are people about on machines of this size. You can spot one in the armpit and another loading the mortars on the shoulders.
Since legio Favilla is my pretentious art project, I also tested using a 0.1 mm pen to put some latin phrases in as appropriate (works, but reaaally didn't like ti stay put when the varnish was applied. Whoops).
- On her front armour the scrolls read "Solvet saeclum in favilla / Heaven and Earth in ashes ending", part of Dies Irae that inspired the legio's name in the first place.
- The skull pile banner reads "Mors certa / Death is inevitable".
- The bleeding heart has the battle cry "Cor aut mors / Heart or death", an ultimatum to submit and obey or die. Your money or your life, but cooler.
- The burning planet with a sword in it reads "Mors tua, vita mea / Your death, my life" in reference to the legio's purpose as an ultima ratio formation that is only sent to the fray when diplomacy breaks down so badly that the opposing side needs to be erased from the galactic memory in its entirety. By the death of their enemies, Mankind asserts its perceived manifest destiny to rule the stars.
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My goodness that is unbelievably good Sherrypie. No exaggeration that looks Golden Daemon-level painting. Is it being entered into anything? (If not it should be!)
I love all the details especially, and the troops on the base add the scale. Its like reading a story and noticing something new each time you look at it. Wow!
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Hehe, he even included a tactical "rock"
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Pacific wrote:My goodness that is unbelievably good Sherrypie. No exaggeration that looks Golden Daemon-level painting. Is it being entered into anything? (If not it should be!)
I love all the details especially, and the troops on the base add the scale. Its like reading a story and noticing something new each time you look at it. Wow!
Casual club show-off, mainly :p
I do intend to smash face with it in the mega-battle this weekend though, does that count?
aphyon wrote:Hehe, he even included a tactical "rock"
When you're this big, who's gonna eyeroll at your Morgan  ?
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...but where does one show it off if not at the game table, when it's meant to be a gaming piece?
And funnily enough, it wouldn't fly at proper painting competitions as things stand anyway, given the less refined style. I'm happy with it and all that, but for big name competitions it would need to have a lot more polish put into its colour transitions, blends and in particular with the NMM midtones to stand a chance against more technically competent works. It's not like various great blanchitsu works are tearing up the painting world either, despite their otherwise generally high artistic values.
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Rougher transitions are style in and of themselves when done well, I’ve always thought it a shame that wargamers treat super smooth blends as though it’s the ideal. In more traditional art the focus tends to be on value first, colour second, and blending is an artistic choice.
I’ve always wanted an oil-painting style army with rough blends, but I lack the artistic ability to do it right and most people would just think it messy rather than appreciate it for being an artistic style.
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Indeed, that's what I mean by otherwise high artistic values in things like Blanchitsu, Inq28, Dark AoS and other similar movements that often operate with deliberately rough results. It feels great and looks like "proper art", but it won't score highly in any competition that values perfect blending or the number of colour transitions crammed onto the smallest area possible. With the advent of widespread airbrushing becoming a part of the expected baseline for "good painting", this sometimes gets even weirder.
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Well its a beautiful miniature Sherrypie, regardless of what the 'fashion' for painting comps is at the moment!
Just a fun diorama/objective marker I've put together. It shows a recon unit of World Eaters out on patrol. They are happy that they'll remain undetected in their new low-signature mk6 armour, but they've failed to spot a Grot squig herder returning with his herd and who has now seen them!
The colour scheme was recommended to me on another forum as its a reference to an old Rogue Trader-era camo pattern.
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Very cool. The bright camo scheme works well at this scale.
One thing I'm struggling with my DKOK, if I use the same muted tones I use on my 40k DKOK, at Epic scale the models are basically invisible, I might as well use empty bases because at a couple of feet away the models don't stand out at all
I'm trying to decide whether I go for a more vibrant scheme on the DKOK or go the other way and stick with the muted tones but have bright bases (desert bases, red mars style bases, or something like that) so that the dark DKOK contrast against the bases (but then I want to carry that basing method through to any other armies!).
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Yep that is also something I have struggled with and especially with historical gaming/modern era as you can end up with an invisible army haha.
I would say, especially as we are dealing with fantastical worlds here and you shouldn't have rivet-counters breathing down your neck over the wrong shade of brown, I would go with what looks good and makes them stand out. At that scale you really need some level of contrast, even if its just for being able to see which miniatures you are picking up!
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What are those Marine models?
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A terrain piece finished!
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That terrain looks cool, where'd you source the models?
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Very nice! I love the shading work on the skylight it looks great.
A 3d print 'beaky specialists' or something like that, I got from a dude on Facebook. I had a couple left of marines left over from some field police units I did.
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@Allseeingskink
Thanks! Its from vanguard miniatures and their terrain section, this set in particular:
https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/gothic-towers-set/
A very nice kit I think. Pretty modular.
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Finished off my Snakebite Clan with the centrepiece for them, a Mega Squiggoth
*I messed up some of the photoshopping of the trees in the background - there is something poking from a tree if you can spot it?
The 'Mega Squiggoth' and Wildboyz are from Vanguard Miniatures 'Skinner' range. The Mega Squiggoth has some minor conversions (the gun on top I think is from a 2nd edition 40k Ork kustom gun, so has been in the bits box for a bloody long time!) You actually get some of those Orks with guns in the set, its a really nice kit. The South Asian-style wooden buildings are 3D prints from Mighty-minis- uk.com (who I think are fast becoming an essential destination if you are collecting Epic).
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Looks great as always!
Are those Skinners a bit bigger than the other Vanguard models? They look to be. I was disappointed with how small the Novan Siegers were (though they're probably good next to the old 90's Epic models, they're small next to the 8mm stuff I'm printing).
Pacific wrote:*I messed up some of the photoshopping of the trees in the background - there is something poking from a tree if you can spot it?
Surely that's just Jim, the sniper?
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Thanks man! Haha yes that's what he will now be known as.
Yes they are a mm or two bigger than the older Vanguard Skinners. I know not why (complete supposition, but I've noticed some of the older ones with very fine detail have either stopped being sold or else are constantly out of stock, like the kommandoes, so maybe too many were lost in production as miscasts?). I mixed them in with some standard Vanguard boyz (and even some old Epic ones!) - as they look quite ragtag anyway hopefully its not as noticeable as it would be if you had marines at different scales for instance.
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Mixed orks of different sizes looks just fine and dandy. Those smelly unwashed masses shouldn't stand in neat heigth-ordered ranks anyway
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Pacific wrote:My goodness that is unbelievably good Sherrypie. No exaggeration that looks Golden Daemon-level painting. Is it being entered into anything? (If not it should be!)
Just so you know, Paz, I did win the casual club comp's Monster category... by being the only contestant in it
(Though in fairness, it was only one vote away from winning the crowd favorite as well... my own vote of course, because I voted for the other guy who then won  )
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Ah that is fantastic news, well deserved even if it was a small field haha. Are you planning on fielding that bad boy in both Epic and AT?
I keep reading comments about an official GW Epic release of 30k next year (most recent was a 'definitely coming'). I have no doubt at all this will be timed to kill the Great Crusade Epic event I am due to be running in early March, but has anyone else heard anything concrete?
Will be really interesting to see which ruleset gets used as an influence for the new system, assuming its not a completely new one.
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I remain ever doubtful of new Epic becoming a thing before AT expands to xenos factions. Their previous work, Apocalypse, was a mash of various editions with hidden orders but E:A style weapons. Hard to say which direction it'd take, but at least it surely would streamline the assault procedures
As for the big fella, I need to at least paint some gun arms for it as well before fielding it as an Imperator-lookalike in a titan legio list for Epic.
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Printed up a couple of Falchions. I decided to upscale them a bit because, come on, these things are supposed to have 4 damage capacity  I tried to go for the old Epic vibe (where Superheavy tanks were roughly as tough as Warhound Titans minus the shields and 4 times tougher than Knights). I feel like 40k has downsized the Superheavy tanks and made them a bit wussy.
But maybe I overcooked it a bit and went too big? LOL.
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Quite a slog tonight. friend of mine used his 3d printer to put together a 3rd ed style armored company. since it ended up being 3,500 points we just did a mini apocalypse game with halved ranges.
He had 8 leman russes of various loadouts and 2 bane blades
i brought craft world Iyanden from the 4th ed codex. a farseer on a bike, lynx, 3 fire prisms, 3 wave serpents with wraithguard/wraith seer, a revenant titan, and 3 crimson hunters
We did a ton of shaking, stunning and ripping weapons off of each other. good fun, the eldar started out behind and started to turn it around near the end, but it wasn't enough-guard won but at a high cost.
More pics will be up soon in my old editions 40K topic.
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This thread makes me sad, I was a huge epic player back in the day, I had a ton of forces and loved imperial guard heavy tanks and artillery.
In St Louis, there were more players playing epic than there were playing 40k at one point, but the revision when they gutted the system
caused a local exodus of the game and it never recovered. But I do love seeing everyone's pictures of their stuff.
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Finnished some more units for my project. A chaplain, a dreadnought and a whirlwind battery.
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I can link to external URLs Gitdakka, what site are you using?
@AllSeeingSkink - I think those look great and the scale looks fine! I definitely liked one of the changes to NetEpic (from SM/ TL) that saw Super Heavies and other Praetorians (as they were then named) getting that extra durability, it always felt wrong some basic infantry flanking a Baneblade before and popping it with one shot in the weak rear armour! I think its the same in EA isn't it as well they are a bit tougher, so I think the scale works well to represent that.
@aphyon - that looks awesome I love the idea of a massive tank battle.
I have made final plans for a big Epic participation/expo game in March 23- hope no-one minds me posting the details here. Basically the idea is for people who want to give Epic a go but perhaps have never had the opportunity (maybe if its many years since they have played or they were not even born at the time!) So this is an opportunity to come and take control of some titans, an infantry or armoured company etc. as part of a massive battle. Myself and a couple of buddies are running the game, it's completely free and you can just drop in and out etc.
Would be great to see any Dakkanauts if they have the opportunity to come!
Link to the flier: https://sumocatretro.wixsite.com/greatcrusadeepic
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Ok lets try again...
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Got a bit excited on the 3D printer, now I have a lot of painting to catch up on
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Well that is a fine start.....for a small guard detachment. now you need- troopers, hydras, hellhounds, sentinels, air support, more artillery etc...
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Fair criticism, this is only about 1100pts worth of tanks (in 3rd edition).
Infantry is in the mail from Vanguard (even though I complained about their not- DKOK being too small, I bought a pile of them, lol). Not sure about what other tanks I'd like in the force... they always take me a while to clean up and support (seems my Chimera supports weren't great, a lot of them are misprinted on the bottom, but it's not too visible from above).
I'll probably stop when I get to 2 or 3k points to move on to something else. Also got a Knight detachment and 2x Warhounds in the works, plus the Ultramarines that can all ally with these guys.
Air Support is already here...
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I prefer the marauder destroyer over the bomber.
The venerable old T-bolts are a workhorse.
My guard units rely on the praetors and vendettas to deal with air threats. my biggest air wing belongs to my marines-3 t-hawks, 2 storm eagles, 2 storm hawks, 2 xiphons
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aphyon wrote:I prefer the marauder destroyer over the bomber.
The venerable old T-bolts are a workhorse.
My guard units rely on the praetors and vendettas to deal with air threats. my biggest air wing belongs to my marines-3 t-hawks, 2 storm eagles, 2 storm hawks, 2 xiphons
I have a couple of Destroyers, only 1 painted though. My Imperials have 2 regular Marauders, 1 Destroyer, 8 Thunderbolts (half in desert camo, half in the grey camo), 4 Lightnings, and an Arvus. Unpainted got another 2 regular Marauders, 1 Destroyer, 2 Lightnings, 4 Valkyries and another Arvus.
Not doing a great job at keeping up with the painting, lol. I could probably stop printing now and still have a year's worth of painting to do.
I am starting to print a Tyranid army... partly because I like nids and partly because I reckon they'll be a super fast army to get on the table to go up against these guys for when I want to do intro games and whatnot. The 3D models out there for Tyranids aren't as good. Some are great, many look like low res scans of 28mm models.
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I used the 3 month lockdown in 2020 to get all my main painting done. now i just do whatever i get new and get it done.
Just painted up 3 of the station forge version of the admech dune crawler for our full scale 5th ed games.
Took me a couple days to go from parts to finished. lots of magnets.
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Nice!
Lockdown for me sucked, I was working from home which made the line between "work" and "home" blurry and I didn't get much hobby stuff done. Find it easier to paint stuff when I was actually going to work and spending an hour after work once or twice a week.
I'm printing like a madman now because... 1. My printer has been very reliable (knock on wood), gotten through about 12 prints now without a major failure requiring draining of the vat. Just keep topping up the resin and on to the next print. That might change because I'm printing something new next. 2. I'm on Christmas/New Years break and I find it difficult to find time to print when I'm working.
Once the holidays are over in a week or two I'll likely swap from printing back to painting... or if the printer decides to fail and I can't be arsed cleaning it, lol.
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