Sadly due to rules nuance, including a Reiver in a Spectrus team imparts a serious handicap. I love the models, but their rules continue to just be awful.
Sadly due to rules nuance, including a Reiver in a Spectrus team imparts a serious handicap. I love the models, but their rules continue to just be awful.
What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.
I don't know how to feel about this. Feels like we're missing a part of the image?
A fifth incursor(infiltrator?) is definitely off one edge, presumably more of the Impulsor as well.
Its a bit weird that they've got 2 5 man units, but with the vehicle (and character), that's probably the full box. It certainly seems in line with the DW/SW boxes.
What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.
It breaks the squad's ability to forward deploy, and does not allow the squad to benefit from the Reiver specific anti-obsec strat.
What's the handicap? All I've seen is the summary on goonhammer that suggests that terror troops is always on if there is one and shock grenades are available.
It breaks the squad's ability to forward deploy, and does not allow the squad to benefit from the Reiver specific anti-obsec strat.
Ah. That's... kinda just weird. I figured if they had the gear, they could still advanced deploy. Yeah, that's pretty big.
My big problem with all of them is the characters and the price point (and the characters contribute to the price point problem). I just wouldn't buy multiples (nor would I buy if I had any of these characters).
Though I find this 'BA box' better for Deathwatch, to be honest. It makes for a good foundation for three different kill teams.
For a BA army, yeah, maybe you do want a couple shooting units in the list? I guess? But really, vanguard vets, maybe some sanguinary guard and death company instead?
As chapter BA really want oldmarines and their existing snowflakes.
Unsurprisingly, despite having phobos models, they clearly didn't add a new upgrade sprue.
Yeah, helping people collect the hobby isn’t in their job description haha.
Salt aside, it does just basically seem like Start Collecting!s were being bought more than the standard kits. So they wanted to do this style to make it a “buy once if you’re a new player” and then buy the normal kits from then on.
Is it me or is the BA one significantly better as a deal than the previous 2? The Impulsor at $75 really bumps it up. It's a pretty good buy for me as I could use these in my existing marine armies and don't currently have the librarian. Don't need BA sprues but they can still be used for DW pads on a few models, if not just selling them outright.
Old Blood Angels SC £60
Blood Angels Tactical Squad no longer available so instead using the normal Tactical Squad £30
Terminator Chaptain £20
Baal Predator £37.5
Blood Angels Upgrade Pack because Blood Angles Tactical Squad is no longer available so you would need this to get the same £9
Total £96.5
Savings £36.5
So Blood Angels have a new savings of 40% to the old one of 38%
Which would be way better compared to:
The Deathwatch which get a new savings of 32% to the old one of 46%
and Space Wolves have a new savings of 33.5% to the old one of 41%
Pretty meh IMHO. I was hoping for assault intercessors.
Maybe if Black Templars get a box towards the end of 2022 when we are half way through Primaris wave four(we all know this is not the last batch right?). but I wouldn't expect any of the new or upcoming Primaris kits to show up in these sets.
The BA box looks alright to my eye, I think the Impulsor makes it feel like a fuller box than the others(at least to me)? Although I am surprised they went for the generic Libby instead of the BA specific Lieutenant.
Pretty great box, but why oh why are they not Assault Intercessors?
Also, it appears GW has made a decision on Incursors Yellow Helmets, looks like I’ll have to repaint mine
Yeah, I'll be buying that BA patrol box. For my Deathwatch. Much better than the actual DW patrol box, assuming it's still £85. I don't need another 5 intercessors really, and the BA upgrade sprue is of marginal usefulness (my DW already have far too many BA and BA successor models), but all the rest is stuff I'd be buying anyway and it still works out cheaper than getting them individually.
yukishiro1 wrote: No, they're really stringing them out for some reason.
Well the pandemic and all has hit GW's production system hard. Plus they are backed up with releases for other systems too. Heck I suspect we got what was originally going to be two separate waves of Necron releases in one go already. I suspect starter sets, codex, terrain and such would have originally landed closer to Indomitus; then around September we'd have had the second wave and then a third wave later; instead we got waves one and two in one go and now there's a gap for the last which is likely going to be into next year.
It might even be that Indomitus wave 2 has pushed the new models further along as well.
The good side of it is that we've got time to buy and build without getting too overwhelmed in one go.
Why people put everything under covid? Gw has long history of stretching releases and as sisters showed it still exists.
Gw bases sales on impulse purchases and knows mini sells most of it's lifetime sales right away. Put too many necrons and players literally might not afford all at once and then with hype cooling down(can't keep hype for same models going all the time) costs sales.
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Voss wrote: My big problem with all of them is the characters and the price point (and the characters contribute to the price point problem). I just wouldn't buy multiples (nor would I buy if I had any of these characters).
Though I find this 'BA box' better for Deathwatch, to be honest. It makes for a good foundation for three different kill teams.
For a BA army, yeah, maybe you do want a couple shooting units in the list? I guess? But really, vanguard vets, maybe some sanguinary guard and death company instead?
As chapter BA really want oldmarines and their existing snowflakes.
Unsurprisingly, despite having phobos models, they clearly didn't add a new upgrade sprue.
If you aren't buying multiples gw is "mission accomplished".
I dare say we’ll have the multi-part Assault Intercessors by the time the Blood Angel supplement drops, as it’s the last one coming.
They wouldn’t release such a new kit in a starter box though, and I think the Death Company Intercessors will almost certainly be generic Assault Intercessors wth an upgrade sprue, not a specialised kit.
diepotato47 wrote: I dare say we’ll have the multi-part Assault Intercessors by the time the Blood Angel supplement drops, as it’s the last one coming.
No, it isn't - Dark Angels are last in this Supplement cycle, coming "early 2021" (presumably January), while the Blood Angels come out in December alongside the Death Guard.
AI coming out in the same month would be fitting, but I'm assuming nothing at this point
Gotta be honest, incursors look terrible in red, even more so with yellow helmets. If I do ever add phobos to my Dark Angels, they will be a mix of green and black. They work great in my Ravenguard colours though.
There's no indication that assault intercessors will be seen first in KT, it's just supposed that they'll be in KT. Imo it would be very surprising if they are tied to the KT starter as the first opportunity to buy them, that makes no sense on many levels.
I dunno that they are going to do multi-part kits for everything any more. None of the necron pushfit releases that have been released on their own got reworked into multi-part.
bullyboy wrote: Gotta be honest, incursors look terrible in red, even more so with yellow helmets. If I do ever add phobos to my Dark Angels, they will be a mix of green and black. They work great in my Ravenguard colours though.
I think they just look bad in Blood Angels red. I'm working on Blood Ravens, and while my Infiltrators (same it) aren't done, their armor is and they look nice in a dark red. But I agree, the yellow helmets are 'meh'. The Blood Angels need to hire a better uniform designer.
ScarletRose wrote: That's kinda the point isn't it? To price it and include characters so new players will buy 1 and current players will buy 0-1
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Is it? I'm really puzzled by a business strategy that centers around 'don't buy this product. Maybe once if you absolutely have to, but we'd rather you didn't.'
Red, gold and black go well together. Red, yellow and blue do not. And painting helmets a different color from the rest of the armor almost always looks bad, regardless of color. That photo unfortunately combines bad colors with a bad color scheme and the results are, well, predictable.
ScarletRose wrote: That's kinda the point isn't it? To price it and include characters so new players will buy 1 and current players will buy 0-1
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Is it? I'm really puzzled by a business strategy that centers around 'don't buy this product. Maybe once if you absolutely have to, but we'd rather you didn't.'
They want everyone’s next purchase(s) to be the full-price separate kits rather than the discounted price of the collection.
These boxes are the thing they put on the shelf to sell to parents of new players so lil’ Timmy can have a “whole army” in one shot.
That's simplistic, but I dunno if you're doing it deliberately for effect or not. Yes, they definitely want you to spend as much as possible, but for some people, you won't get much out of them at all unless they feel they're getting value.
yukishiro1 wrote: Red, gold and black go well together. Red, yellow and blue do not.
If the yellow and blue are on top of each other they do.
And painting helmets a different color from the rest of the armor almost always looks bad, regardless of color. That photo unfortunately combines bad colors with a bad color scheme and the results are, well, predictable.
That really depends. There are a lot of really good color schemes with off-color helmets, but it needs to compliment and/or reinforce other colors on the model.
A fully codex-colors cheme BA army invariably looks awful, especially if there are a lot of veteran sergeants and the company and squad marks are in there as well.
Its even worse than the full rainbow of aspect warriors because you can see individual parts of models throwing everything out of whack.
It always amused me that they tossed out the Black with touches of red and white color scheme of dark angels, but codified and doubled down on Blood Angels and their terrible mish-mash for various unit types and ranks.
Its a very 2nd edition primary color atrocity.
Yeah off colour heads can look really good, all just depends. I personally always liked this one a lot but there are loads of examples where it works great
This week you can preorder a set of playing cards that will be available for 10 minutes. If you miss them, don’t worry. You can always pick them up for five times the price on eBay
I'll give GW a little bit of credit for apparently giving you the option to order a full set of the six SM Heroes models, rather than forcing you to blind buy repeatedly until you get the set.
So, the Sunday Preview shows off the Space Marine Hero Death Guard models. Are they going to be available globally? I know the first wave got And I think the UK got access to the Terminators from series 2. I'd definitely buy a few of these guys, as long as the price isn't jacked up
yukishiro1 wrote: No, they're really stringing them out for some reason.
Well the pandemic and all has hit GW's production system hard. Plus they are backed up with releases for other systems too. Heck I suspect we got what was originally going to be two separate waves of Necron releases in one go already. I suspect starter sets, codex, terrain and such would have originally landed closer to Indomitus; then around September we'd have had the second wave and then a third wave later; instead we got waves one and two in one go and now there's a gap for the last which is likely going to be into next year.
It might even be that Indomitus wave 2 has pushed the new models further along as well.
The good side of it is that we've got time to buy and build without getting too overwhelmed in one go.
Why people put everything under covid? Gw has long history of stretching releases and as sisters showed it still exists.
because GW was having some production issues due to it's factory expansion, then covid hit and GW's basicly been unable to keep supply up with demand for anything,
changemod wrote: Honestly it’s amusing but confusing that marines have gone so long without any full kits relasing, just pushfit and characters.
Sadly, I think full kits are going the way of the dodo. I had hoped this edition would bring them back for Primaris Marines, but with everything we see for 40K and AoS now, it seems like GW has no intention of making models that way ever again.
changemod wrote: Honestly it’s amusing but confusing that marines have gone so long without any full kits relasing, just pushfit and characters.
Sadly, I think full kits are going the way of the dodo. I had hoped this edition would bring them back for Primaris Marines, but with everything we see for 40K and AoS now, it seems like GW has no intention of making models that way ever again.
We know for an absolute fact that we're getting full kits for Bladeguard Vets, Eradicators, Assault Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors, the new grav tanks and the primaris land speeders.
They aren't going away, they've all been shown off, at least partially. And thanks to the codex, we know the weapon options in each.
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GaroRobe wrote: So, the Sunday Preview shows off the Space Marine Hero Death Guard models. Are they going to be available globally? I know the first wave got And I think the UK got access to the Terminators from series 2. I'd definitely buy a few of these guys, as long as the price isn't jacked up
A good question. It'd be nice to know if its just a tease and they're only available to select countries.
yukishiro1 wrote: No, they're really stringing them out for some reason.
Well the pandemic and all has hit GW's production system hard. Plus they are backed up with releases for other systems too. Heck I suspect we got what was originally going to be two separate waves of Necron releases in one go already. I suspect starter sets, codex, terrain and such would have originally landed closer to Indomitus; then around September we'd have had the second wave and then a third wave later; instead we got waves one and two in one go and now there's a gap for the last which is likely going to be into next year.
It might even be that Indomitus wave 2 has pushed the new models further along as well.
The good side of it is that we've got time to buy and build without getting too overwhelmed in one go.
Why people put everything under covid? Gw has long history of stretching releases and as sisters showed it still exists.
because GW was having some production issues due to it's factory expansion, then covid hit and GW's basicly been unable to keep supply up with demand for anything,
And were those applying to extended release periods in sisters? 2019 releases? 2018?
Nothing so far has been something unusual. Just the standard release pattern for GW.
For GW it's simple. Impulse purchases is A and O. Models sell like 90% of lifetime sales in first few months the more the earlier to release date. If players can't buy kit because you release too much so they can't AFFORD everything GW will lose long term sales. People forget about kit when hype dies and goes to next hyped item.
There's reason why GW has gone for staggered releases rather than everything at once for decades. Last time I checked covid hasn't been with us for decades.
I was hoping they'd bring over the Death Guard sorcerer too, but it's still a cool set so I'll pick that up. And nice to not have to bother getting the blind packs.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: This week you can preorder a set of playing cards that will be available for 10 minutes. If you miss them, don’t worry. You can always pick them up for five times the price on eBay
I think we should ask H.B.M.C. if buying cards from GW is a good idea .
yukishiro1 wrote: I dunno that they are going to do multi-part kits for everything any more. None of the necron pushfit releases that have been released on their own got reworked into multi-part.
They're still charging for them as if they were multi-part kits though.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: This week you can preorder a set of playing cards that will be available for 10 minutes. If you miss them, don’t worry. You can always pick them up for five times the price on eBay
I think we should ask H.B.M.C. if buying cards from GW is a good idea .
in this case they're playing cards. like a poker deck. probly a safe purchase albiet likely over priced. I'd certainly not get em, but I can walk to a local casino and snag a free deck there if I want so...
Yeah, not gonna bother with those. They look like the same “quality” as the last lot, i.e. none at all. You can get fully-custom card decks from professional playing card printers with shrink wraps and gold foil seals and a proper linen finish for under $2 a deck if you order in the kinds of numbers GW would do for retail. But no, they have to print on the cheapest possible card stock with zero finishing and unsealed edges. If you were to actually play with them you’d end up with a marked deck inside of like two shuffles. Not that you can actually shuffle them properly due to the aforementioned lack of finishing. Just a terrible experience all around.
It’s becoming a little bit of a joke with the lack of releasing half the marines and the dregs of Necrons. I just want the Assault Intercessors and a Chronomancer, but at this rate we’ll be lucky to see it all before Christmas. -_-
Tiberius501 wrote: It’s becoming a little bit of a joke with the lack of releasing half the marines and the dregs of Necrons. I just want the Assault Intercessors and a Chronomancer, but at this rate we’ll be lucky to see it all before Christmas. -_-
Tiberius501 wrote: It’s becoming a little bit of a joke with the lack of releasing half the marines and the dregs of Necrons. I just want the Assault Intercessors and a Chronomancer, but at this rate we’ll be lucky to see it all before Christmas. -_-
Seriously. Gimme Heavy Intercessors damnit!
Well, Warcry is done, the 'big' AoS preorder is this coming weekend, I assume there's some Underworlds stuff lurking about, but this is probably the end or nearly the end of the non-40k stuff for the year. So... yeah.
Back to marines and hopefully the last couple necrons.
Tiberius501 wrote: It’s becoming a little bit of a joke with the lack of releasing half the marines and the dregs of Necrons. I just want the Assault Intercessors and a Chronomancer, but at this rate we’ll be lucky to see it all before Christmas. -_-
Seriously. Gimme Heavy Intercessors damnit!
Ditto. These are the guys you park on an objective dare your opponent to move them.
Little bit strange they put these Plague Marine Heroes out now when there's a Codex release for them one month away.
But I'm not complaining, good to see them finally and it's also great not to have to bother with blind buys, would have meant to pay horrendous ebay prices to get all of them.
Wayniac wrote: Yikes... so other than the codexes which are 8 copies every one of the upcoming stuff this weekend is limited to 2 copies per store. Combat Patrol, Outriders, Ghaz, etc. a store will only get 2 of each.
GW's still ahving production issues I guess
is it just me or at $65 is Ghaz priced sanely?
Like, that's what the primarchs and greater demons should be costing.
Wayniac wrote: Yikes... so other than the codexes which are 8 copies every one of the upcoming stuff this weekend is limited to 2 copies per store. Combat Patrol, Outriders, Ghaz, etc. a store will only get 2 of each.
GW's still ahving production issues I guess
is it just me or at $65 is Ghaz priced sanely?
Like, that's what the primarchs and greater demons should be costing.
Wayniac wrote: Yikes... so other than the codexes which are 8 copies every one of the upcoming stuff this weekend is limited to 2 copies per store. Combat Patrol, Outriders, Ghaz, etc. a store will only get 2 of each.
GW's still ahving production issues I guess
is it just me or at $65 is Ghaz priced sanely?
Like, that's what the primarchs and greater demons should be costing.
That's 5$ more than expected, but still Abaddon/Gulliman tier.
Wayniac wrote: Yikes... so other than the codexes which are 8 copies every one of the upcoming stuff this weekend is limited to 2 copies per store. Combat Patrol, Outriders, Ghaz, etc. a store will only get 2 of each.
GW's still ahving production issues I guess
is it just me or at $65 is Ghaz priced sanely?
Like, that's what the primarchs and greater demons should be costing.
This is ghaz next to a knight, then a greater daemon next to a knight.
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Weirdly I can't Google a greater daemon next to a knight but a lord of change/thirster is easily the same size as the knight. So I'd say ghaz is reasonable, greater daemons too expensive but should not be the same.
Wayniac wrote: Yikes... so other than the codexes which are 8 copies every one of the upcoming stuff this weekend is limited to 2 copies per store. Combat Patrol, Outriders, Ghaz, etc. a store will only get 2 of each.
GW's still ahving production issues I guess
is it just me or at $65 is Ghaz priced sanely?
Like, that's what the primarchs and greater demons should be costing.
That's 5$ more than expected, but still Abaddon/Gulliman tier.
Mildly annoyed the only SHM Death Guard model they're not bringing over here is the Malignant Plaguecaster, given that the previous one (from Dark Imperium) a) sucks and b) isn't even available any more.
Nazrak wrote: Mildly annoyed the only SHM Death Guard model they're not bringing over here is the Malignant Plaguecaster, given that the previous one (from Dark Imperium) a) sucks and b) isn't even available any more.
Mentioned this elsewhere but the Plaguecaster was the paint set not a blind box model.
Nazrak wrote: Mildly annoyed the only SHM Death Guard model they're not bringing over here is the Malignant Plaguecaster, given that the previous one (from Dark Imperium) a) sucks and b) isn't even available any more.
Mentioned this elsewhere but the Plaguecaster was the paint set not a blind box model.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Terminator Ancient from Series 2 the paint set model in Japan, but part of the regular blind boxes when S2 made it to the UK?
Nazrak wrote: Mildly annoyed the only SHM Death Guard model they're not bringing over here is the Malignant Plaguecaster, given that the previous one (from Dark Imperium) a) sucks and b) isn't even available any more.
Mentioned this elsewhere but the Plaguecaster was the paint set not a blind box model.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Terminator Ancient from Series 2 the paint set model in Japan, but part of the regular bling boxes when S2 made it to the UK?
True, but they only show 6 miniatures of the 7 and the Plaguecaster is not one of them. Pretty annoying. The Ancient was shown as a blackout on the retail box, I hope it is an oversight but I am not hopeful.
Nazrak wrote: Mildly annoyed the only SHM Death Guard model they're not bringing over here is the Malignant Plaguecaster, given that the previous one (from Dark Imperium) a) sucks and b) isn't even available any more.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not a bad point, given that it is a single frame that they can easily throw into the box.
But I'd hope that the new DG box actually contains the OOPDG characters.
I mean my hope is it's just the DG side of dark Imperium. that'd be a pretty solid box all considered
That box would be well over the 25PL they seem to want for these boxes though, and you can't really leave any of the sprues out.
Currently the only DGHQ on sale is Typhus, which is a pretty bad situation. Let's hope that modern CAD technology prevents DG characters from joining deff koptas and cultists in their fate.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Not a bad point, given that it is a single frame that they can easily throw into the box.
But I'd hope that the new DG box actually contains the OOPDG characters.
I mean my hope is it's just the DG side of dark Imperium. that'd be a pretty solid box all considered
That box would be well over the 25PL they seem to want for these boxes though, and you can't really leave any of the sprues out.
Currently the only DGHQ on sale is Typhus, which is a pretty bad situation. Let's hope that modern CAD technology prevents DG characters from joining deff koptas and cultists in their fate.
hmm lemme see
Lord of contagion 6
Malaginangt plaguecaster 5
7 plague marines 8
10 pox walkers 6
Tallyman 3
Feotid bloatdrone 7
yeah that'd be about 35 PL.
although if they did sort of a hybrid halfway pack of 5 plague marines, 10 poxwalkers, the bloatdrone, tallyman and a LoC that'd be 25 even. and would preserve MOST of the "lost kits" (let's face it, if DG had to lose one kit from DI forever, the malagnant plague caster would proably be best as you could just nurglefy the new sorcrerer mini)
It's 20 Poxwalkers and a Noxious Blightbringer, not a tallyman.
If you look at the sprues, you'll find that most of the models are spread across multiple of them, the plague caster is on the same sprue as the blightbringer, the plague marine champion and at least one plague marine,
Jidmah wrote: It's 20 Poxwalkers and a Noxious Blightbringer, not a tallyman.
If you look at the sprues, you'll find that most of the models are spread across multiple of them, the plague caster is on the same sprue as the blightbringer, the plague marine champion and at least one plague marine,
true they'd have to recut em I guess. ugh, sucks for death guard players, let's hope GW figures out a solution,
Jidmah wrote: Mostly sucks for *new* DG players. I've got triples of DI and Lord Felthius Cohort plus I think six or seven of the ETB plague marines.
Through ebay and conquest, DG has probably been the cheapest army to start in a long time.
maybe but we need to think about those new players. especially as if it's bad for new players then sales dip and future model support disappers and before you know it your newest model is old eneugh to drink in the USA
tneva82 wrote: Maybe DG gets new models with the codex to replace the dark imperium ones? One can hope.
Didn't happen with Marines(no way to get the Gravis Captain or Primaris Ancient), so I wouldn't expect it to happen for DG.
There is also no way to get a Judicar or a Bladeguard Ancient from the Idomitus boxset (or for the Necrons the Plasmancer, Reanimator, Skorpekh Lord and Cryptothralls) so they have to eventually do something about that or there won't be any way to get those models and I don't think they will put them into a Combat Patrol
Why people put everything under covid? Gw has long history of stretching releases and as sisters showed it still exists.
Gw bases sales on impulse purchases and knows mini sells most of it's lifetime sales right away. Put too many necrons and players literally might not afford all at once and then with hype cooling down(can't keep hype for same models going all the time) costs.
That’s funny, but completely baseless given the substantial portion of their catalog they keep in inventory. Production capacity is finite, and warehouse and shelf space cost money, so the evidence points to kits being profitable over a long lifespan.
Yeah, given how notoriously expensive this hobby is even among people that don't partake (a bit overblown imo but the trope definitely has some merit), the idea that 70-90% of the people who want a thing also have the spare money to buy a thing (and let's face it, most of us want loads of the stuff and stretch our never ending wishlists over literally years) in the first month or three after release is demonstrably not the case. You don't even have to delve into the logistics to see this fact clearly.
Jidmah wrote: Mostly sucks for *new* DG players. I've got triples of DI and Lord Felthius Cohort plus I think six or seven of the ETB plague marines.
Through ebay and conquest, DG has probably been the cheapest army to start in a long time.
Yeah this is true, I'm still hoping for a roll out of Conquest here for that reason. I checked stores across the border but alas, they could not get the magazine for me.
Buying them in stores has been a matter of luck here as well, you pretty much need the subscription if you want the magazines. I basically bought the DG half up to #32 from one of our marine players, sadly he terminated his subscription afterwards.
Were the other two sets of Space Marine Heroes available to everyone? Japan obviously had them, but I think the UK got at least the terminator ones.
If they considered giving us a few of the marines via little box set games as the equivalent of releasing them in the US, I'll be mad. I want some nicely proportioned first born, GW!
GaroRobe wrote: Were the other two sets of Space Marine Heroes available to everyone? Japan obviously had them, but I think the UK got at least the terminator ones.
If they considered giving us a few of the marines via little box set games as the equivalent of releasing them in the US, I'll be mad. I want some nicely proportioned first born, GW!
skrulnik wrote: We got the Terminator series in the US.
I was able to get them all at my local shop.
You're kidding me . Were they advertised on the website as well?
Actually, they weren't sold at GW stores. So independent stores had them, boardgame stores had them, but no GW shops in North America. I don't think they were sold through the website either.
skrulnik wrote: We got the Terminator series in the US.
I was able to get them all at my local shop.
You're kidding me . Were they advertised on the website as well?
Actually, they weren't sold at GW stores. So independent stores had them, boardgame stores had them, but no GW shops in North America. I don't think they were sold through the website either.
Not to be disagreeable, but they absolutely were sold via GW stores here in the US. My local did a painting contest around them
GaroRobe wrote: If they considered giving us a few of the marines via little box set games as the equivalent of releasing them in the US, I'll be mad. I want some nicely proportioned first born, GW!
I don't know what you want, USA had best release of these. Cheap, not random, in shops often doing sales, this is literally 'rest of the planet had it worse' deal...
Complaining about the US game releases is kinda petty. You got almost all of the models, CHEAP, with no random blind box BS. How was that a bad thing? And the games weren't even terrible...
skrulnik wrote: We got the Terminator series in the US.
I was able to get them all at my local shop.
You're kidding me . Were they advertised on the website as well?
Actually, they weren't sold at GW stores. So independent stores had them, boardgame stores had them, but no GW shops in North America. I don't think they were sold through the website either.
Not to be disagreeable, but they absolutely were sold via GW stores here in the US. My local did a painting contest around them
Maybe it was just Canada then. Series 2 (the terminators) were not sold in GW here - not for lack of desire on the part of the managers!
Series 1s were definitely sold in GW stores.
I picked up a few series 1 (the tactical marines). I don’t recall ever seeing the terminators at my FLGS, but I don’t get there with much frequency, and might have just missed the window they were available.
Nevelon wrote: I picked up a few series 1 (the tactical marines). I don’t recall ever seeing the terminators at my FLGS, but I don’t get there with much frequency, and might have just missed the window they were available.
Made for fun stocking stuffers that Christmas.
I saw the terminators mostly at Barnes and Noble. Honestly, I think there were still some there last time I went (only a few weeks ago).
I pulled three of that captain. I did not need three of that captain....
I stand corrected on the space marine hero games. I'm not sure why, but I thought they were waaay more expensive than they actually are. The expansion sets are a really good deal.
Good job obscuring that last model GW, then just showing the side of the box.
Not that I grasp the idea of showing off 5 models and refusing to show the sixth, but failing at it just seems absurd.
Also a hell lot cheaper than what re-sellers from japan are asking, I'm definitely getting a box when the codex drops, just for the flail and standard bearer.
I am aware. Still, the difference between the 6 heros and regular set of 7 is less than 8€, and from a business point of view it makes sense to not make them cheaper.
GaroRobe wrote: Were the other two sets of Space Marine Heroes available to everyone? Japan obviously had them, but I think the UK got at least the terminator ones.
If they considered giving us a few of the marines via little box set games as the equivalent of releasing them in the US, I'll be mad. I want some nicely proportioned first born, GW!
Series 1 - 13 figures
Japan had 12 in the random box. Plus the captain sold separately.
Rest of the world had 9 in the random box. To get the remaining 4 you need the Labyrinth of the Necron game and maybe one of the two expansions if you’re unlucky with the blind box.
Series 2 - 10 figures
Japan had 6 in the random box 1 of which is not in the rest of the world box. Plus the standard bearer separately in a paint set.
Rest of the world 9 in the random box 3 of which are not in Japanese box. To get the full set of 10 you need the Maeklus (the missing one from the Japanese box) from the Rise of the Orks game.
Barnes and Nobles has the series 2 blind boxes and the two Space Marine Adventures games and expansions. I found blind boxes cheaper on Amazon.
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Kanluwen wrote: Remember that the 'reinforcements' weren't. That triple box started out as a LE product, with art from John Blanche's concepts or whatever.
Then they took that stuff out, but left it at basically the same price.
Kanluwen wrote: Remember that the 'reinforcements' weren't. That triple box started out as a LE product, with art from John Blanche's concepts or whatever.
Then they took that stuff out, but left it at basically the same price.
The plan was to discontinue the three brothers for ever, but they brought them back due to popular demand. I see nothing wrong with them selling those three models as collector's items - there really is no need to ever buy them if you don't want those three specific sculpts.
They made a surplus of Plague Marine sculpts, and decided to sell three of them with a bunch of useless tat for a massively inflated price.
Then they got rid of the useless tat and kept them at the massively inflated price.
Meanwhile, the 3 Ezy-2-Build Plague Marines, all stemming from the same project that made them and no more than any other "collectable" ezy build mono-pose model, were a fraction of that cost. It was a scam, through and through.
Thanks to the Loot Group I was able to pick up the Series 3 Space Marine Heroes and the Plaguecaster/ Paint set on the Japan release.
I've bought a second set now to be painted up in my alternate Xandri Dust colour scheme for my Plague Marines.
I was never one really for Death Guard models but subscribing to Conquest cured me of that and I really enjoyed working on them.
Having a surplus of the easy build Plague Marines persuaded me to get creative with clippers, saw and a bits box.
For the near future, I'm looking forward to the Blood Angels Combat Patrol so that my Silver Templars gain some re-reinforcements plus a 'relatively' cheap Impulsor.
I saw that the full 6 pack and singles were showing as "In Stock" at Element Games yesterday at 10 am odd, not long after they were listed as unavailable. Personally I ordered mine from Firestorm Games...I just hope they can fulfill my order of a case if 6, fingers crossed.
Doohicky wrote: I got mine, just happened to be going into store anyway yesterday morning, so preordered the full 6 whilst there.
*looks at location flag*
Lucy, I think you got some 'splainin' to do...
Uk =/= England.
Stores are open in Northern Ireland.
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I saw that the full 6 pack and singles were showing as "In Stock" at Element Games yesterday at 10 am odd, not long after they were listed as unavailable. Personally I ordered mine from Firestorm Games...I just hope they can fulfill my order of a case if 6, fingers crossed.
Elemental games did same thing with indomitus. My friend ordered his copy from there. He still hasn't received it as they massively oversold.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
Semper wrote: Did anyone actually manage to get some of the Death Guard reinforcements? They were unavailable before I even knew they were coming to the UK!
I also didn't see anything on the marketing to say they were a limited release but apparently they were?
I've given up on GW.
I don't buy a lot from them anymore, but everything I see in an email from them I want is sold out by the time I get to the webstore. Not only sold out, but usually never to be made available again. Kinda pointless getting involved in playing a set of game rules where most of the components you want are limited edition.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's what I'm thinking too. Probably the first week of December.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Gee, ask Raven Guard players how they felt having to wait for the Imperial Fist supplement to drop to get Incursors(which have now gotten a huge kick in the nards thanks to the Haywire Mine no longer being a deployable and instead being a once per game attack) and Impulsors.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?
There's a pandemic that's put a spanner in the works for a lot of things, I'm really shocked you haven't heard. Also, Codex Space Marines was released one month ago, not six.
JWBS wrote: There's a pandemic that's put a spanner in the works for a lot of things...
And yet things keep coming out? They can release an entire new edition of Blood Bowl but not Heavy Intercessors? Not a Chronomancer?
Why haven't they released Bladeguard and Assault Intercessors and Gravis Captain too? On their pre-pandemic schedule? Yet they do release some things But not everything How very curious.
JWBS wrote: There's a pandemic that's put a spanner in the works for a lot of things...
And yet things keep coming out? They can release an entire new edition of Blood Bowl but not Heavy Intercessors? Not a Chronomancer?
Remember that 4-6 month period when nothing new (or even old) got made? We know they have the moulds but even with the best will in the world, making 25k sprues, putting them all in the hands of the socially distanced interns to pack them up and shrink-wrap, then finally getting them into the distribution channels for simultaneous global release takes time. Plus BB has a third-party tie-in with Cyanide which may be forcing their hand WRT specific timing. Oh and of course they’re still making Indomitus boxes because demand was unbelievable. And we’ll just ignore Warcry v2, and all the other AoS shenanigans going on. Oh and the ramp-up to the Xmas boxes.
Actually, who knows, maybe the big crimbo company box will have both heavy and assault intercessors in all their multipart glory, with an individual release to follow?
JWBS wrote: There's a pandemic that's put a spanner in the works for a lot of things, I'm really shocked you haven't heard. Also, Codex Space Marines was released one month ago, not six.
that excuse runs weak when you realize they did the same thing last time Marines got a enw codex and slowly trickled their releases out alongside the supplements.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Gee, ask Raven Guard players how they felt having to wait for the Imperial Fist supplement to drop to get Incursors(which have now gotten a huge kick in the nards thanks to the Haywire Mine no longer being a deployable and instead being a once per game attack) and Impulsors.
It sucks but it happens. You'll survive.
Two wrongs don't make one good. It even adds to the insult.
JWBS wrote: Why haven't they released Bladeguard and Assault Intercessors and Gravis Captain too? On their pre-pandemic schedule? Yet they do release some things But not everything How very curious.
It's not like you know any more than anyone else does, so I don't know why you're acting like this.
JWBS wrote: Why haven't they released Bladeguard and Assault Intercessors and Gravis Captain too? On their pre-pandemic schedule? Yet they do release some things But not everything How very curious.
It's not like you know any more than anyone else does, so I don't know why you're acting like this.
I'm being facetious because the line of discussion is kinda inane and so it amuses me. True, I know no more than anyone else, but maybe we should try to eliminate some of the possibilities in a Sherlockian manner?
What's up with this weird release schedule? Possible options -
1) To annoy people here on Dakka
2) A fungus-polluted water supply at GWHQ causing mass hallucinations among the GW management, making them think that this is a pretty cool way to do it
3) Worldwide ball bearing shortage
4) Pandemic
5) They're using a magic 8 ball to plan the releases and every time they ask "Heavy Intercessors?" the 8 ball replies "Ask again later"
JWBS wrote: Why haven't they released Bladeguard and Assault Intercessors and Gravis Captain too? On their pre-pandemic schedule? Yet they do release some things But not everything How very curious.
It's not like you know any more than anyone else does, so I don't know why you're acting like this.
I'm being facetious because the line of discussion is kinda inane and so it amuses me. True, I know no more than anyone else, but maybe we should try to eliminate some of the possibilities in a Sherlockian manner?
What's up with this weird release schedule? Possible options -
1) To annoy people here on Dakka
2) A fungus-polluted water supply at GWHQ causing mass hallucinations among the GW management, making them think that this is a pretty cool way to do it
3) Worldwide ball bearing shortage
4) Pandemic
5) They're using a magic 8 ball to plan the releases and every time they ask "Heavy Intercessors?" the 8 ball replies "Ask again later"
or 6) they're relasing marines slowly over a period of 4 months or so so that there is a miniature release with each supplement, this isn't some new covid thing. GW has done this before and we hated it then
There's also good justification in terms of sales hype and volume. If they drop everything in one go on a major release it creates a huge storm of attention; but your hobby fans only have X amount that month to spend and only X amount of time/cost justification that month.
If you instead spread it out then that X value gets topped up each month. So if you drip feed each block of releases become a major release with lots of sales.
If you drop it all in one go the risk is that only still only sell X worth of value and then sales in the following months reduce because you've lost the marketing hype.
That likely explains ONE of the reasons GW spreads out releases when there isn't a pandemic.
As for right now, the Pandemic is playing a nightmare for GW in terms of capping their production capacity; which was already under strain before Corona. Add to that a second Indomitus wave print because of exceptional demand and then the run up toward Christmas where, even without Xmas bonus boxes (we expect them but have no confirmation), we'd expect higher sales.
Ontop of all that the Pandemic has also shut down a lot of people's other interests (like eating out and going out) so stay-at-home hobbies have seen a huge rise in sales.
Whilst its great for GW in terms of income, its a pain for them because they simply cannot produce to meet demand right now. I suspect they are teasing things out. Heck I suspect the first wave of codex would have happened right after Indomitus went on sale, perhaps a week or two later. Follow that up and things like last wave of necron/marine models might well have been set for near Christmas. Instead we got a huge drop in October which was likely two or three spread out releases squished together.
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?
The roughly 1/2 of them that got no model update at all....generally for a couple codexes in a row?
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?
The roughly 1/2 of them that got no model update at all....generally for a couple codexes in a row?
completely differant things dude. we're talking about new units in the codex that are held off for a prolonged period of time. as I said generally the "6 month long trickle" isn't a thing, although yes sisters where hit with this and that was just as annoying.
Any rumours/leaks on what the last "xenos" codex going to be yet ?
Also, you guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due. Anyone rememeber what else was milling around fromt hat source ?
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?
Ah yes marine codex was released 6 months ago...wait no it's barely month.
Less hyperbole and you might be taken seriously once.
Months wait isn't unusual at all. But of course entitled marines feel they should be snowflake exception
Maybe Space Marine stuff will start coming in the middle of the month?
Probably will get Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans, and Gladiator with the Blood Angels release. We will have to wait for Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and Storm Speeder to come out with Dark Angels.
That's a joke. GW released a supplement in which a whole core unit (Indomitor Kill team) depends on Heavy Intercessors, and we are supposed to not play them until January?
I'm closer and closer to buying "third party" models. And I'm pretty sure many people will do the same as they lose their patience.
Yeah it's weird. Marines being treated like rest of factions.
what factions have had to wait 6 months after their codex to get a model release?
Ah yes marine codex was released 6 months ago...wait no it's barely month.
Less hyperbole and you might be taken seriously once.
Months wait isn't unusual at all. But of course entitled marines feel they should be snowflake exception
I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...
I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...
Well the current wave of marine kits is taking so long because GW did a massive xenos release in the middle of it. Then we know there's another xenos codex in January. So what exactly is your point?
I was refering to the prolonged release schedule that was codex 8.5 and the supplements there. I seem to recall a lot of xenos grumbling that we got nothing but marines releases. but hey, if you're happy with GW stretching out marines releases so we gt nothing but them until febuary...
Well the current wave of marine kits is taking so long because GW did a massive xenos release in the middle of it. Then we know there's another xenos codex in January. So what exactly is your point?
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I think it'll be middle of the road, we'll see marine kits every month until February with maybe a small death guard and the remaining cron waves.
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.
that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.
that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.
If you wanted people to understand what you're trying to say you should try to make more sense. You said "Wait six months after codex", then it was pointed out that the codex has been out for one month, so you said "Err, I meant the last bunch of codices". If this is what you meant, it is a complete non sequitur since we're actually talking about the upcoming releases. If you wanted to say something about the last bunch of codices you should have specified that. However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case. And you're now moving the goalposts for your point from "Wait six months" to "Potentially wait four months", which isn't even confirmed. All in all, it wasn't a failure of peoples' capacity to understand you, it was a failure of your capacity to form a relevant argument, Dudeface hasn't really rescued you here despite how "Glad that someone is capable of understanding what I'm actually saying" you might be.
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.
that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.
However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.
While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.
When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.
that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.
However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.
While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.
When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.
Ok fair enough I'll defer to your memory on that. Still I maintain that he's a bit wrong in what he's saying, then changing the parameters when gainsaid and claiming the disagreement is due to a lack of comprehension from others rather than a wonky argument coming from him.
He's not wrong though. There absolutely was a lot of complaining about 'too many marine releases' when the supplements dropped and Marine players got jumped on for saying they wished the releases had come out already.
The release pattern for the 8.5 book was: -Codex, White Scars, Ultramarines plus Tigurius and the Khan. -Week two was characters and the Invictor. Phobos Captain and Librarian plus the Wake the Dead Librarian. -Month two(September 2019) was Raven Guard and Iron Hands with their named characters(Shrike and the Iron Father) plus Eliminators and the Reiver Lt. -Month three(October 2019) was Imperial Fists and Salamanders with their named characters(Garadon and Agatone) plus Infiltrators/Incursors and the Impulsors. Each release had dice, cards, and an upgrade pack(barring Ultramarines who already had theirs).
And that was before the Shadowspear stuff was out in a SC too, so the codex dropped and it was across three months for all of the new units to come out in a format people could get. While it's certainly true that other armies need resculpts and the like, complaining about four items being released alongside of these supplements especially when at least half of those releases are Chapter specific is a bit daft.
Brian's point is with the 8.5 release they trickled marine kits out for 3-4 months and the forum was filled with incessant whining about how "it's all marines all the time!!!!!!!".
I'm glad someone is capable eneugh of understanding what I'm actually saying rather then using it as a hook to complain about how someone else's army hasn't gotten a new model in forever.
that's the point, the slow trickle of mainre stuff was (and is) annoying for Marine players as we might have to wait 4 or more months to get a model we need for an army build, it's also annoying for non marine players as it means months of nothing but marines for 40k. the 8.5 release would have likely been a LOT easier, for EVERYONE, to take if it was a one and done as it was by the end of it, marine players where unhappy, xenos and chaos players where unhappy. NO ONE enjoyed the lengthly release.
However, even if that's the case, it doesn't actually validate whatever point you were trying to make, as no one was waiting around for those models, the models came out at the same time as the rules in every case.
While I appreciate that time is a bit weird at the minute, I'd see someone about that memory of yours.
When the 8.5 'dex dropped, there were multiple units that were included in the book, which didn't get released until one of the subsequent waves of supplements came out. Off the top of my head, the Incursor/Infiltrator kit was one, the Impulsor a second and I think it also caught up the Eliminator full kit. Can't remember what the situation was with the Matrix walker. That's before we got the various characters that came out alongside each supplement as well - those characters were released alongside their rules, but in the case of the "standard" kit from that wave of Steroid Boys, there was indeed a delay between the full rules being printed in 8.5, and the kits actually hitting the shelves.
Ok fair enough I'll defer to your memory on that. Still I maintain that he's a bit wrong in what he's saying, then changing the parameters when gainsaid and claiming the disagreement is due to a lack of comprehension from others rather than a wonky argument coming from him.
except, yet again the others understood what I was saying just fine. keep in mind this isn't a case of "GW hasn't updated this mini in ages" it's "GFW has told us this mini is coming out and they're delaying it for a long time because... reasons"
Not Online!!! wrote: quartal numbers flattening and stretching earnings brian.
thats why.
could be. GW also seems unwilling to release more then a set amount of stuff each month, I think they belive it maximizes sales through impulse buying.... and, in fairness they might be right.
Kanluwen wrote: He's not wrong though. There absolutely was a lot of complaining about 'too many marine releases' when the supplements dropped and Marine players got jumped on for saying they wished the releases had come out already.
The release pattern for the 8.5 book was:
-Codex, White Scars, Ultramarines plus Tigurius and the Khan.
-Week two was characters and the Invictor. Phobos Captain and Librarian plus the Wake the Dead Librarian.
-Month two(September 2019) was Raven Guard and Iron Hands with their named characters(Shrike and the Iron Father) plus Eliminators and the Reiver Lt.
-Month three(October 2019) was Imperial Fists and Salamanders with their named characters(Garadon and Agatone) plus Infiltrators/Incursors and the Impulsors.
Each release had dice, cards, and an upgrade pack(barring Ultramarines who already had theirs).
And that was before the Shadowspear stuff was out in a SC too, so the codex dropped and it was across three months for all of the new units to come out in a format people could get. While it's certainly true that other armies need resculpts and the like, complaining about four items being released alongside of these supplements especially when at least half of those releases are Chapter specific is a bit daft.
Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.
Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.
Not Online!!! wrote: quartal numbers flattening and stretching earnings brian.
thats why.
could be. GW also seems unwilling to release more then a set amount of stuff each month, I think they belive it maximizes sales through impulse buying.... and, in fairness they might be right.
doesn't make it any less annoying.
It's the same why GW spreads out the supplements and other rules releases with corresponding models to inflate impulse buys, it allows them to project steady income, which is an issue because GW has responsibilty only torwards their investors and NOT torwards their custommers beyond the minimal standards enforced on plastic models.
Spikes would be considerably worse for their presentation torwards their investors which then would probably stronger interventions of the shareholders (not necesarrily to our advantage).it's also why GW is so risk adverse and not updating/releasing new factions because unlike SM those are not guaranteed sales.
Personally that is why i would prefer if GW were to be a private company, it leads to a diffrent behaviour and more longterm thinking... generally, depends who'd own the company...
except, yet again the others understood what I was saying just fine. keep in mind this isn't a case of "GW hasn't updated this mini in ages" it's "GFW has told us this mini is coming out and they're delaying it for a long time because... reasons"
Dudeface reiterated what you'd said on one of your later posts. The words weren't hard to understand but the argument made no sense in context with the rest of what you were saying and what / why others were disagreeing with. The comprehension problem is a red herring that doesn't exist, the actual bone of contention is that some people are disagreeing with you, because they disagree with you, not because they're too dim to understand you.
JWBS wrote: Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.
Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.
Codex, UM, WS was start of August 2019.
Mid-August was Invictor+characters.
Mid-September was RG+IH.
Mid-October was IF+Salamanders.
Three months, not two. Since the exact numbers matter apparently so heavily.
Sure, what was the time gap between Codex: Eldar and the Eldar model release in 8th?
What was the time gap between Codex: Orks and the new Ghazghkull model?
Codex: Space Marines and the entire new Chaos Space Marine model range they put out?Boy, wouldn't there be egg on your face if you got a shiny new 8th edition Chaos Space Marine codex and then whatever 1 year later without warning they dropped a dozen odd new kits, most of which replaced core units you just bought for your new army!
GW previewing new things they will release with the rules for those things in advance of the release of the thing is a GOOD THING.
Being able to review the in-game stats for a unit prior to buying it and figure out where it fits into your army is a GOOD THING.
JWBS wrote: Yeah but his initial point was that Marines are waiting 6 months for their units to be released. It was pointed out that this isn't correct, so he said "No err I meant the previous wave", which is still wrong, as you've shown, it was basically two months (White Scars etc, mid August, Imperial Fists etc, mid October), and much of it was released alongside the relevant rules.
Anyway, the complaint is pretty lame imo. There's a pandemic, there are delays, some people are upset that they don't have their soldiers right now and I'm unimpressed by the complaint and unsympathetic to the complainants.
Codex, UM, WS was start of August 2019.
Mid-August was Invictor+characters.
Mid-September was RG+IH.
Mid-October was IF+Salamanders.
Three months, not two. Since the exact numbers matter apparently so heavily.
Two months is very different to six months if we're talking in timescales of months. Like, appreciably, materially different. And if we have to be super exact (I didn't say this btw, I'm just a person that thinks two months is markedly different to six months), Codex WS was up for pre-order on the 9th of August https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/09/space-marines-preview-sons-of-the-great-khangw-homepage-post-1/, putting the release somewhere around the 13th of August 2019, which is mid August. According to you, IF was mid October. The amount of time separating the middle of August 2019 and the middle of October 2019, when calculated using Gregorian calendar commonly used in Britain and North America, is pretty much exactly two solar months.
Sasori wrote: I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.
Yeah, since there's been so many games to see what is or isn't frequently asked questions--I expected a huge list of things.
JWBS wrote:Two months is very different to six months if we're talking in timescales of months. Like, appreciably, materially different. And if we have to be super exact (I didn't say this btw, I'm just a person that thinks two months is markedly different to six months), Codex WS was up for pre-order on the 9th of August https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/09/space-marines-preview-sons-of-the-great-khangw-homepage-post-1/, putting the release somewhere around the 13th of August 2019, which is mid August. According to you, IF was mid October. The amount of time separating the middle of August 2019 and the middle of October 2019, when calculated using Gregorian calendar commonly used in Britain and North America, is pretty much exactly two solar months.
Cool, then you're still off by a week or so since my post concerned preorder dates not releases. If you can google up the date for WS' supplement, I'm sure you can find the rest easy enough. I have zero interest in reposting stuff I've posted ad nauseum simply because people didn't believe there was a wider spread of time for these releases than they thought there was. The point remains that the Marine releases were dragged out in a significant manner that up until this year wasn't really the case from current GW.
Additionally, it's worth mentioning since you brought up the "two isn't six" thing that the items we're waiting on now for the Marine book were previewed as far back as pre-COVID lockdowns. That's when we first saw the Gladiator.
the_scotsman wrote: Sure, what was the time gap between Codex: Eldar and the Eldar model release in 8th?
What was the time gap between Codex: Orks and the new Ghazghkull model?
Codex: Space Marines and the entire new Chaos Space Marine model range they put out?Boy, wouldn't there be egg on your face if you got a shiny new 8th edition Chaos Space Marine codex and then whatever 1 year later without warning they dropped a dozen odd new kits, most of which replaced core units you just bought for your new army!
GW previewing new things they will release with the rules for those things in advance of the release of the thing is a GOOD THING.
Being able to review the in-game stats for a unit prior to buying it and figure out where it fits into your army is a GOOD THING.
Wanting to use units or attend events using rules for models that can't be bought is bad.
Sasori wrote: I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.
Yeah, since there's been so many games to see what is or isn't frequently asked questions--I expected a huge list of things.
There are plenty of people out and about playing games.
I know that some of the Faction Discords have been emailing in questions to GW. On the Necron side, not being able to just answer some questions, especially about TSK, is annoying after a month.
JWBS wrote:Two months is very different to six months if we're talking in timescales of months. Like, appreciably, materially different. And if we have to be super exact (I didn't say this btw, I'm just a person that thinks two months is markedly different to six months), Codex WS was up for pre-order on the 9th of August https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/09/space-marines-preview-sons-of-the-great-khangw-homepage-post-1/, putting the release somewhere around the 13th of August 2019, which is mid August. According to you, IF was mid October. The amount of time separating the middle of August 2019 and the middle of October 2019, when calculated using Gregorian calendar commonly used in Britain and North America, is pretty much exactly two solar months.
Cool, then you're still off by a week or so since my post concerned preorder dates not releases. If you can google up the date for WS' supplement, I'm sure you can find the rest easy enough. I have zero interest in reposting stuff I've posted ad nauseum simply because people didn't believe there was a wider spread of time for these releases than they thought there was.
Off by a week, and yet still three weeks closer than you got. With your correction. My original was still markedly closer than your correction. That's weird, huh. Almost like your correction was entirely worthless. Your precision calculation, what with exact timings being of great import (your words, never said by me) was way further off base than the point you were attempting to correct. Excellent work.
The point remains that the Marine releases were dragged out in a significant manner that up until this year wasn't really the case from current GW.
Did something happen this year that might have had an effect on the release schedules? I think there might have been but I'm not sure. Maybe not. Maybe they're just fething with us. Or maybe something singular happened that makes this point a total non-point.
Additionally, it's worth mentioning since you brought up the "two isn't six" thing that the items we're waiting on now for the Marine book were previewed as far back as pre-COVID lockdowns. That's when we first saw the Gladiator.
Why is that worth noting? What does that have to do with the fact that two is definitely not six? Anything at all?
Sasori wrote: I expected more from these FAQs after an entire month.
Yeah, since there's been so many games to see what is or isn't frequently asked questions--I expected a huge list of things.
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Just because us has got things bad for gaming doesn't mean everywhere else has too. Plenty of games out there if you don't assume us is only country that plays warhammer.
Well that's annoying, my independent supplier has been told that he's probably not going to get any of the Deathguard Space Marine Heroes, despite putting in his order as soon as possible
(since I was the first in line for them I might just get lucky if he gets one)
the GW rep is claiming they sold them all online and aren't getting more (i'll be pissed of if true, I don't care if I have to wait for more to be made, that would be fine)
Not technically a “new” release, but I’ve just had my shipping email confirmation for the made to order Indomitus boxed set from the GW webstore. Which is nice
A bit random, but how long has Bjorn been gone? I can't find him or any iteration of the SW dreadnought or the wulfen on the US site. Now, I'm not going to weep if the wulfen are gone, but the lack of Bjorn is weird. He could be getting repacked, but you'd think that would have been released along with Ragnar
You guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff? (We laughed about ts never going to happen and he be trollin... )
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due. Anyone remember what other rumours were milling around from that source ?
Or better still know where the posts / images are?
You guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?
(We laughed about ts never going to happen and he be trollin... )
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due.
Anyone remember what other rumours were milling around from that source ?
Or better still know where the posts / images are?
sure except this isn't cult marines increasing to 2W it's "everyone" I mean assuming it's accurate most likely the decision process went along the lines of
"ok, let's try buffing CSMs up with 2 wound cult marines" *some play testing is done, this gets leaked* "well it's.. alright but not exceptional." "why not just make all marines 2 wounds?" "... I like that!"
You guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?
(We laughed about ts never going to happen and he be trollin... )
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due.
Anyone remember what other rumours were milling around from that source ?
Or better still know where the posts / images are?
sure except this isn't cult marines increasing to 2W it's "everyone" I mean assuming it's accurate most likely the decision process went along the lines of
"ok, let's try buffing CSMs up with 2 wound cult marines" *some play testing is done, this gets leaked* "well it's.. alright but not exceptional." "why not just make all marines 2 wounds?" "... I like that!"
I feel it was pretty on point. 2W khorne berserkers will be a thing I know some of the things was a new edition and Space wolves and Orks box which came to be..
I just cant remember what else was part of those leaks and these were a year out, and at this point I assume it was an actual roadmap from a meeting seeing how so many unlikely things have come to pass it cant bejust a troll and lucky guesses. Wana see that list and see what else might be in store
You guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?
(We laughed about ts never going to happen and he be trollin... )
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due.
Anyone remember what other rumours were milling around from that source ?
Or better still know where the posts / images are?
sure except this isn't cult marines increasing to 2W it's "everyone" I mean assuming it's accurate most likely the decision process went along the lines of
"ok, let's try buffing CSMs up with 2 wound cult marines" *some play testing is done, this gets leaked* "well it's.. alright but not exceptional." "why not just make all marines 2 wounds?" "... I like that!"
I feel it was pretty on point. 2W khorne berserkers will be a thing I know some of the things was a new edition and Space wolves and Orks box which came to be..
I just cant remember what else was part of those leaks and these were a year out, and at this point I assume it was an actual roadmap from a meeting seeing how so many unlikely things have come to pass it cant bejust a troll and lucky guesses. Wana see that list and see what else might be in store
honestly the 2 wounds thing seems like a luckly guess, in hindsight it seems obvious
You guys remember the french guy dropping us all the rumours a while back about 2W cult CSM and a bunch of other stuff?
(We laughed about ts never going to happen and he be trollin... )
Seems a lot/most of those were on point if a year late in materialising. But credit where credit due.
Anyone remember what other rumours were milling around from that source ?
Or better still know where the posts / images are?
sure except this isn't cult marines increasing to 2W it's "everyone" I mean assuming it's accurate most likely the decision process went along the lines of
"ok, let's try buffing CSMs up with 2 wound cult marines" *some play testing is done, this gets leaked* "well it's.. alright but not exceptional." "why not just make all marines 2 wounds?" "... I like that!"
I feel it was pretty on point. 2W khorne berserkers will be a thing I know some of the things was a new edition and Space wolves and Orks box which came to be..
I just cant remember what else was part of those leaks and these were a year out, and at this point I assume it was an actual roadmap from a meeting seeing how so many unlikely things have come to pass it cant bejust a troll and lucky guesses. Wana see that list and see what else might be in store
honestly the 2 wounds thing seems like a luckly guess, in hindsight it seems obvious
Hell no.. at the time people lost their minds how ridiculous it all sounded.
This was way back in 8th before SM 2.0 & supplaments I think.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Well that's annoying, my independent supplier has been told that he's probably not going to get any of the Deathguard Space Marine Heroes, despite putting in his order as soon as possible
(since I was the first in line for them I might just get lucky if he gets one)
the GW rep is claiming they sold them all online and aren't getting more (i'll be pissed of if true, I don't care if I have to wait for more to be made, that would be fine)
I emailed GW themselves and they confirmed the same. Apparently all sold out through GW and not coming back atm (they may pull an Indomitus?).
I did complain and say that nowhere on their marketing did they say this was a limited release. Awaiting any response (but what can they respond with?).
- Cult Troops like Plague Marines, Berserkers, noise Marines, Rubric Marines going to 2 wounds.
- CSM getting points reductions to match those of equivalent SM units.
- Lord Discordants and Plaguebearers likely going up in points.
- CSM Legions froms the CSM Codex will get new warlord traits and relics and stratagems in the upcoming supplements.
Basically a very lackluster rumor with the 2 wounds probably being the only thing that got people's attentions.
And indeed point cost dropping is incompatible since they are getting extra wound and point hike akin to loyal marines. So either rumour monger didn't have any real knowledge of new csm codex or he flat out lied about non-cult marines there.
New warlord traits etc meanwhile doesn't even require seeing new codex to know it is so. I can say that with full confidence myself
- Cult Troops like Plague Marines, Berserkers, noise Marines, Rubric Marines going to 2 wounds.
- CSM getting points reductions to match those of equivalent SM units.
- Lord Discordants and Plaguebearers likely going up in points.
- CSM Legions froms the CSM Codex will get new warlord traits and relics and stratagems in the upcoming supplements.
Basically a very lackluster rumor with the 2 wounds probably being the only thing that got people's attentions.
Fair enough. I guess my memory is failing me.
I thought I recalled a bunch of screenshots of stuff..
MaxT wrote: Not technically a “new” release, but I’ve just had my shipping email confirmation for the made to order Indomitus boxed set from the GW webstore. Which is nice
And it's arrived, I can now get excited like you lot did 4 months ago
You can look forward to the (un)freshly updated edition of Codex: Death Guard and this revolting new kit next month, so keep your Nurgle-blessed, cyclopean eye on warhammer-community.com and sign up to our newsletter for all the latest info. In the meantime, make sure you’ve got plenty of Plague Marines with which to form the backbone of your Death Guard force.
That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
I think, with the daemon engine character a sort of 'hold back and cruise slowly with the daemon engines' we'll likely see another artillery like daemon engine; maybe forgefiends being added to the DG codex? It's not a wish but GW like to sell the new model and its not as if this guy will be a speed freak plus the other newly confirmed model is a building, so... It also helps plugs the lack of firepower issue the DG have.
My wish is them not to be moved too far away from CSM and to possibly even double down on cross-codex mark related synergies. Ima definitely going to need dragging away from my soup synergies, especially as they've already balanced soup with the CP costs
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
I think, with the daemon engine character a sort of 'hold back and cruise slowly with the daemon engines' we'll likely see another artillery like daemon engine; maybe forgefiends being added to the DG codex? It's not a wish but GW like to sell the new model and its not as if this guy will be a speed freak plus the other newly confirmed model is a building, so... It also helps plugs the lack of firepower issue the DG have.
My wish is them not to be moved too far away from CSM and to possibly even double down on mark related synergies. Ima definitely going to need dragging away from my soup synergies, especially as they've already balanced soup with the CP costs
I'd wager a points raise for the infantry thanks to the extra wound as well, might be interesting to see what they do to offset the reduced firepower though.
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
Not a huge fan of the Miasmic Malignifier. Look at the flies on it. They're so flat and two dimensional. It also has some strong gnarlmaw vibes, which I wasn't a huge fan of. I think it could work for AOS though, since there's nothing too outrageously sci fi.
Dudeface wrote:That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
I don't think there will be anything else for their release just the terrain and the daemon engine guy, maybe new models for the Dark Imperium Characters if that doesn't get turned into their Combat Patrol but I don't think that will happen
JWBS wrote:Combat patrol would be good but I don't expect one, seeing as there was so much DG around from the last 40k starter, and no SCDG.
Death Guard didn't get a SC exactly because they where in the starter set
I think if there's a Combat Patrol coming, it's gonna be more than just the DG half. The Easy to Build versions of everything barring the Poxwalkers and Blight-Hauler got pulled too.
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
This, combined with the sprue layout, makes me think we'll just see the characters released and a combat patrol of the existing kits.
I think if there's a Combat Patrol coming, it's gonna be more than just the DG half. The Easy to Build versions of everything barring the Poxwalkers and Blight-Hauler got pulled too.
Just the Dark Imperium part would already be around 700 points no way they will put even more inside
I don't even think we will see DI with the Combat Patrol as that would be 200 points more than the 500 points needed for a combat patrol
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
Combat Patrol with the DG half of Dark Imperium.
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
Combat Patrols are replacing Start Collections so there won't be a DGSC
I think if there's a Combat Patrol coming, it's gonna be more than just the DG half. The Easy to Build versions of everything barring the Poxwalkers and Blight-Hauler got pulled too.
Just the Dark Imperium part would already be around 700 points no way they will put even more inside
I don't even think we will see DI with the Combat Patrol as that would be 200 points more than the 500 points needed for a combat patrol
Might be they take out the Plaguedrone then, since the multi-part is visually almost identical.
Kanluwen wrote: I don't think they can take the Plague Drone out without removing the characters.
Yep, the Drone shares the sprue with the Lord and five of the Plague Marines, so that's not gonna happen.
If the PL/points cost of Plague Marines goes up a bit, then they could just do it as the Nurgle half of Know No Fear, which is 5x Plague Marines, Lord, Drone and 10 Poxwalkers, which currently comes out at PL22. Or maybe that lot plus one additional character?
Automatically Appended Next Post: That said, I could see them not doing it at all since, as others have mentioned, there's a fair bit of the DI Death Guard stuff still sloshing about on eBay, which would impact potential sales numbers. But then there's the question of what happens with the units that were excusive to those sprues.
I dunno. DI Death Guard stuff has shot up in price. You used to be able to buy the lord of contagion for under 10 dollars, now he's up in the 30-40 dollar range. Same with the DI plague marines. $50 for the five man squad from Know No Fear.
That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
The problem with putting the Dark Imperium half into a Combat Patrol box is that it would effectively be almost a 100% markup of the original value.
I think it's more likely we'll see the actual multipart kits in the Combat Patrol and we'll get multipart kits of the characters that are missing. The Japanese Malignant Plaguecaster could come as a blister kit and replace the DI one for example.
They've shown though with the Necron warriors and Primaris outriders that they aren't afraid to put a full price sticker on items that were (or in the case of those two examples, still are) available for double cheap in a previous box.
GaroRobe wrote: I dunno. DI Death Guard stuff has shot up in price. You used to be able to buy the lord of contagion for under 10 dollars, now he's up in the 30-40 dollar range. Same with the DI plague marines. $50 for the five man squad from Know No Fear.
Can't speak for the US, but I picked up the whole lot for around fifty quid on ebay about a fortnight ago. There are some chancers putting stuff up for pisstake prices, as has ever been the case with ebay, but there still seems to be a fair bit of reasonably-priced stuff knocking about over here. Of course that could all change once we see what happens with the DG Codex and what does or doesn't get released alongside.
Dudeface wrote: That's an (un)pleasant surprise they're showing that off so early.
What's predictions for the DG release?
We know there's the terrain, the daemon engine fella they previewed and currently no way to buy a lord of contagion or malignant plague caster. Seems a good chance to get rid of the finecast prince as well, so 4 characters and terrain maybe.
Given they're getting a daemon engine fella, might be a good chance to release a new engine or two to move them further away from csm as well.
1. Was there a Daemon Engine previewed? They showed terrain that honestly I don't see does a lot for the army that wants to be close in.
2. I'm expecting still no Vet stats on Plague Marines, because Death Guard aren't allowed anything nice. That as well will help for the push towards all mech again.
GaroRobe wrote: That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.
GaroRobe wrote: That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.
In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out
GaroRobe wrote: That would be funny. Especially since it would cost $140, which is $20 less than what the entire boxset cost. They released the AOS starter models (and Shadow Spear) factions in Start Collecting sets, which would be more appropriate.
Shadowspear SM half was gutted, though. I fully expect them to throw the vanguard captain back in, then relabel it as CP with price hike.
In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out
Weren't di the armies sharing same sprues while shadowspear not? If so putting di on respective boxes would require doing whole new molds. Big difference
BrianDavion wrote: In shadowspears case they just designed it from the start to be able to take out what they took out
Not really. Two SM characters on single sprues were taken out. Separate CSM guy was left in their SC. That was doubly dick move considering CSM side was larger to begin with, and if they wanted to cut something, they could one, not both.
Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.
alextroy wrote: Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.
Ork one doesn't have HQ so nope. Daemons of Slaanesh has no characters at all. DoK one also technically has none, though you can put one of included miniatures on separate base instead of party bus and count it as a HQ, and that's just first three that come to mind. The CSM champion guy is also fancy enough GW could have declared on the box it's an Exalted Champion and called it a day. No, let's not try to invent shabby excuses for GW and call it what it is - shafting of SM players because GW believes primaris miniatures are so far superior to old squatmarines that they will sell tons even without SC (and it looks like they are right in that) or bad value, cut one. Same reason why primaris waited 4 years for SC and then it was the first one to be killed and replaced with moneygrab patrol a few months later.
Orks includes a Painboy, which is only an Elite. But didn't he used to be an HQ back in the past when this box was released?
DOS includes the Exalted Seeker Chariot kit, which can be used to make a Herald on Exalted Seeker Chariot, an HQ. DOK includes the Blood Throne, also an HQ.
No White knighting going on here. Just pointing out the facts.
alextroy wrote: Not really. Without the Master of Possession, the CSM half of Shadowspear had no HQ and they can't have a Start Collecting box without a HQ. The Vanguard Marine half included the Phobos Lieutenant model, so it was good to go.
Ork one doesn't have HQ so nope. Daemons of Slaanesh has no characters at all. DoK one also technically has none, though you can put one of included miniatures on separate base instead of party bus and count it as a HQ, and that's just first three that come to mind. The CSM champion guy is also fancy enough GW could have declared on the box it's an Exalted Champion and called it a day. No, let's not try to invent shabby excuses for GW and call it what it is - shafting of SM players because GW believes primaris miniatures are so far superior to old squatmarines that they will sell tons even without SC (and it looks like they are right in that) or bad value, cut one. Same reason why primaris waited 4 years for SC and then it was the first one to be killed and replaced with moneygrab patrol a few months later.
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when the Ork one was created IIRC the painboy was a HQ unit. Orks have needed a new SC since 8th as a result
alextroy wrote: Orks includes a Painboy, which is only an Elite. But didn't he used to be an HQ back in the past when this box was released?
DOS includes the Exalted Seeker Chariot kit, which can be used to make a Herald on Exalted Seeker Chariot, an HQ. DOK includes the Blood Throne, also an HQ.
No White knighting going on here. Just pointing out the facts.
Don't use facts, that's how folks get proven wrong!!
I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful
The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already
darthryan wrote: I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful
The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already
If they wanted to do that I'd say would have gone the Codex + supplement way they did for Loyalists.
I mean personally I wouldn't mind, all the units I lost in 8th(Bikes, Raptors, Obliterators, Havocs, Rapiers) formed their own detachment and out of Blightkings I've already built a master of possession, axe guy, warpsmith and Greater Possessed.
darthryan wrote: I have a feeling that they will just open up the csm tool box for DG in the new codex. Think about it if they allow access to everything in the CSM codex then you instantly have DG players rushing out to but Havocs and all the Deamon engines. They would basicaly release about 20 units for DG without spending a single penny.
Discolord every DG player would want atleast 1
Master of possession again every player would want 1
Havocs hell yeah
Oblitoraters yep
Dino engines would be useful
The only things nobody would want are basic marines and probably terminators as ours are better already
More likely they boost the rules for uniqe DG vehicles to make people buy them. Opening up for generic chaos would probably not be good for the sales of funky chunky engines.
With the likes of Blood Angels and Space Wolves being supplementized I'd say odds are fairly good of Death Guard going the same route, unless the codex has been spoiled at some point and I've missed it.
Notice how the Death Guard book is listed on its cover as a Codex while the Space Wolves, Deathwatch and Blood Angels are listed as Codex supplements? Case closed.
Billicus wrote: With the likes of Blood Angels and Space Wolves being supplementized I'd say odds are fairly good of Death Guard going the same route, unless the codex has been spoiled at some point and I've missed it.
So DG gets supplement now but with no parent the supplement is actually useless?
Billicus wrote: With the likes of Blood Angels and Space Wolves being supplementized I'd say odds are fairly good of Death Guard going the same route, unless the codex has been spoiled at some point and I've missed it.
So DG gets supplement now but with no parent the supplement is actually useless?
That makes little sense.
It has been said many times Death Guard are getting a full codex.
Billicus wrote: With the likes of Blood Angels and Space Wolves being supplementized I'd say odds are fairly good of Death Guard going the same route, unless the codex has been spoiled at some point and I've missed it.
So DG gets supplement now but with no parent the supplement is actually useless?
That makes little sense.
It has been said many times Death Guard are getting a full codex.
Yes.but if billicus claim would be true i pointed end result. that would alone be proof it's not supplement as you could not use it without core book. If gw had been planning supplement route main codex would be out. Not "here's your supplement, now wait unspecified amount of months to actually use it"
kodos wrote: DG get their full Codex now and get it replaced by a Supplement after the parent CSM Codex is done
The Forge World Legends document having Death Guard and Thousand Sons replace <Heretic Astartes> with each of their own unique <X Astartes> Keyword is more of an indicator that GW is doubling down with the separation of the Cult Legions from the rest of Chaos.
kodos wrote: DG get their full Codex now and get it replaced by a Supplement after the parent CSM Codex is done
The Forge World Legends document having Death Guard and Thousand Sons replace <Heretic Astartes> with each getting their own <X Astartes> Keyword is more of indicator that GW is doubling down with the separation of the Cult Legions from the rest of Chaos.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not it's an indication we might also see Daemons of <insert god here> added into the codices too.
kodos wrote: DG get their full Codex now and get it replaced by a Supplement after the parent CSM Codex is done
The Forge World Legends document having Death Guard and Thousand Sons replace <Heretic Astartes> with each getting their own <X Astartes> Keyword is more of indicator that GW is doubling down with the separation of the Cult Legions from the rest of Chaos.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not it's an indication we might also see Daemons of <insert god here> added into the codices too.
I mean, I said it seemed likely unless it's been spoiled and I've missed it, literally the next post was someone pointing out that yes, it has been spoiled and yes I had missed it, so I'm happy to retract the idea, don't need to go on and on about it
kodos wrote: DG get their full Codex now and get it replaced by a Supplement after the parent CSM Codex is done
The Forge World Legends document having Death Guard and Thousand Sons replace <Heretic Astartes> with each getting their own <X Astartes> Keyword is more of indicator that GW is doubling down with the separation of the Cult Legions from the rest of Chaos.
I'm genuinely curious as to whether or not it's an indication we might also see Daemons of <insert god here> added into the codices too.
One can hope.
The unit entries are in there, they just need some relics and not to break perks.
Sounds like Hedonites of Slannish and Death Guard to me. Are their more models for these factions to reveal than have been shown already? Or is something new, like Emperor's Children, being revealed?
"We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces."
So confirmation that there will be Battleforces and they will be shown off this week
Also Decay say Nurgle to me but I don't think Death Guard is getting more models for their release next month and AOS Nurgle hasn't gotten a new Battletome since 2.0 so maybe that?
The Slaanesh stuff is definitely Hedonites, based on the January Warhammer Store coin, unless it's a massive reveal that also includes EC (even if only by confirmation).
Can't really imagine what Nurgle might be if it's AoS, because it's a bit much for just a Battletome update to be included in the preview name. Maybe Pestigors, at long last, to also be a late appearance in the DG Codex?
Matrindur wrote: "We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces."
So confirmation that there will be Battleforces and they will be shown off this week
Also Decay say Nurgle to me but I don't think Death Guard is getting more models for their release next month and AOS Nurgle hasn't gotten a new Battletome since 2.0 so maybe that?
As discussed earlier there is 1 definite character and are other kits that need released.
Matrindur wrote: "We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces."
So confirmation that there will be Battleforces and they will be shown off this week
Also Decay say Nurgle to me but I don't think Death Guard is getting more models for their release next month and AOS Nurgle hasn't gotten a new Battletome since 2.0 so maybe that?
As discussed earlier there is 1 definite character and are other kits that need released.
Thats what I meant, I don't expect any more models than we already know about and them just repackaging DI somehow
Matrindur wrote: "We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces."
So confirmation that there will be Battleforces and they will be shown off this week
Also Decay say Nurgle to me but I don't think Death Guard is getting more models for their release next month and AOS Nurgle hasn't gotten a new Battletome since 2.0 so maybe that?
As discussed earlier there is 1 definite character and are other kits that need released.
We know of one new character and one new terrain piece.
There are definitely gaps in the line that need releases to fill them now the DI-based sets have rotated off sale.
Matrindur wrote: "We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces."
So confirmation that there will be Battleforces and they will be shown off this week
Also Decay say Nurgle to me but I don't think Death Guard is getting more models for their release next month and AOS Nurgle hasn't gotten a new Battletome since 2.0 so maybe that?
As discussed earlier there is 1 definite character and are other kits that need released.
We know of one new character and one new terrain piece.
There are definitely gaps in the line that need releases to fill them now the DI-based sets have rotated off sale.
I wouldn't be shocked if this release is about stealer cults size.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I fear it's just going to be tough love and a 'you should have got them sooner' with no replacements for the missing DI stuff
(and that makes me sad as i'd be buying them if we did get new stuff)
That's not really how GW operates these days, they want to be able to sell you anything that has rules and vice versa, so either the options would need to be cut or they need a way to sell the models.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I fear it's just going to be tough love and a 'you should have got them sooner' with no replacements for the missing DI stuff
(and that makes me sad as i'd be buying them if we did get new stuff)
That's not really how GW operates these days, they want to be able to sell you anything that has rules and vice versa, so either the options would need to be cut or they need a way to sell the models.
As it stands, I'm not going to try to predict which way they'll go in this case. It would seem awfully harsh to Legends options after one edition, but I can't rule it out.
Dudeface wrote: That's not really how GW operates these days, they want to be able to sell you anything that has rules and vice versa, so either the options would need to be cut or they need a way to sell the models.
Billicus wrote: With the likes of Blood Angels and Space Wolves being supplementized I'd say odds are fairly good of Death Guard going the same route, unless the codex has been spoiled at some point and I've missed it.
So DG gets supplement now but with no parent the supplement is actually useless?
That makes little sense.
It has been said many times Death Guard are getting a full codex.
Which is stupid. They lost a bunch of units and the inconsistencies are quite frankly hilarious bordering on sad.
Anyone talking about Death Guard getting a supplements has no clue what they are talking about. The overlap between Space Wolves (afaik the largest supplement) and Codex: Space Marine is larger than what most codices contain in the first place.
Grey Knights have more in common with marines than Death Guard have with CSM.
Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.
(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)
Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.
Agreed - though it'll be interesting to see how long the Knights wait for a shiny 9th ed 'dex.
(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)
although when you look at proportions the story changes.
you also BTW forgot GK Libbies which IIRC as basicly just terminator Libby's aren't they? they use the same model at least
(There are several other datasheets not included, as they have equipment differences compared to the CSM versions - same principle as used when evaluating the Grey Knights)
Grey Knights didn't get a supplement and neither will Death Guard.
Agreed - though it'll be interesting to see how long the Knights wait for a shiny 9th ed 'dex.
You missed chaos lord and sorcerer as well.
I do feel DG deserve a separate book but I want to seem split further and made more divergent, rather than go back to being chaos space marines with an extra troops choice.
Still ever so slightly showing the DG ahead, assuming my count of the datasheets printed in each book is accurate.
BrianDavion wrote: you also BTW forgot GK Libbies which IIRC as basicly just terminator Libby's aren't they? they use the same model at least
GK Librarians have different weapons to their Codex equivalents (including psyk-out grenades), so they're excluded for the same reason as the Chaos Lords, Sorcerors and Daemon Prince are for the Death Guard.
Jidmah wrote: Plague Bearers aren't DG and I'm fairly sure GK have dreads.
Both CSM and DG have Plaguebearers as an option within their Codex, correct? If so, then it's a unit overlap - I didn't think CSM got Nurglings, which is why they're not in the list.
And last I checked, SM dreadnoughts weren't psykers.
EDIT: There's always one missing tag, isn't there...
You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then
Jidmah wrote: You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then
They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.
It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
No, first gw makes dexes to get people to start these and THEN folds them back into CSM because sunk cost now applies and they can then sell two books instead of one.
Atleast that is how it will end, inevitably when gw decides it has to curb the "bloat", never mind that they could've handled it perfectly well for chaos marines on 80 pages as they have allready once achieved.
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
No, first gw makes dexes to get people to start these and THEN folds them back into CSM because sunk cost now applies and they can then sell two books instead of one.
Atleast that is how it will end, inevitably when gw decides it has to curb the "bloat", never mind that they could've handled it perfectly well for chaos marines on 80 pages as they have allready once achieved.
And that 80 pages were the best csm ever had it.
Kanluwen wrote:It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.
Which is aggravating. They could at least give us our second wound in a FAQ.
A couple guys in my club play Death Guard. I'm really looking forward to seeing the changes 9th edition brings that army, especially for crusade.
I'm most interested to see how they incorporate Psychic Awakening rules into the new book, as that'll be a good indicator for other armies which got psychic awakening rules, and are not Space Marines.
Jidmah wrote: You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then
They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.
It's a strange day, Slayer, when we agree on something
Kanluwen wrote: It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.
It'll be interesting to see if Saturday does anything with the roadmap - either by just revealing the two books for January - yes, I know one is almost certainly DA - or extending it to February or even March.
I'm also getting curious as to when any outstanding Necron or SM models will be being released - I figured we'd see some of the SM alongside each supplement, but so far we've only had the stuff that released with the Codex, haven't we?
Jidmah wrote: You are seriously considering the Chaos Daemons which are in the codex for summoning purposes only as Death Guard? Might as well consider every "Imperium" unit in the FW books as GK options then
They're present in both codices, but I think it can be agreed that the implementation of Daemons being plugged into a CSM army was done quite horribly and needs a rework.
It's a strange day, Slayer, when we agree on something
Kanluwen wrote: It's too early to say what they're going to do with CSM, seeing as how they aren't anywhere on the roadmap just yet.
It'll be interesting to see if Saturday does anything with the roadmap - either by just revealing the two books for January - yes, I know one is almost certainly DA - or extending it to February or even March.
I'm also getting curious as to when any outstanding Necron or SM models will be being released - I figured we'd see some of the SM alongside each supplement, but so far we've only had the stuff that released with the Codex, haven't we?
Technically, the Outriders solo box came alongside the supplements, so no. But... practically speaking, all the multipart kits (of which there are 6) and the Heavy Rifle Captain have yet to appear.
And the necrons are still waiting on 2 characters and a flayed one box, which could finish up the range on any random weekend.
I'd hope that Saturday will at least peel back the veil for January.
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.
I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.
I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.
Well it would not be the same as Marines - unless they are going for the DG are the same as GK which seems odd.
To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:
Spoiler:
Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown
Total: 25
You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.
Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.
You missed tactical, you know, the basic SM troops. Also I'd point out that many of the items on your Death Guard exclusion list are akin to excluding SW from taking Dark Knights or Death Company (Noise Marines, Rubrics, Bezerkers). And many others are akin to Centurions and SM flyers, SW couldn't take them before, now they can (pretty much any demonengine). They wouldn't break DG by being added much like they didn't break SW by being added. But hey, you forge your narrative.
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Not so sure, list of exclusions in space marine book for wolves:
Mr Morden wrote: It is bizare that CSm are not getting a baseline book to cover all the many and varied sub factions along the same line as Marines - but GW seldom makes sense or is consistant. Oh well another opportunity wasted.
Well, we don’t know they aren’t doing that. Could be the big 4 get their own independent books, and Black Legion, Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion get the big book + supplement treatment.
I’m not saying that I think they will do that, but it’s not impossible.
Well it would not be the same as Marines - unless they are going for the DG are the same as GK which seems odd.
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
To recreate the death guard exclusion list in spoilers to save space:
Spoiler:
Dark apostles
Lord of executions
Exalted champion
Master of possession
Warpsmith
Chaos marines
Chosen
Terminators
Greater possessed
Noise marines
Rubrics
Berzerkers
Mutilators
Raptor
Warp talon
Bikers
Vindicator
Maulerfiend
Forgefiend
Havocs
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Heldrake
Lord of skulls
Noctolith crown
Total: 25
You could try and shoehorn blightlords and scarab occult profiles over the top of terminators but they're so divergent I can't see how.
Likewise a handful could be given back, but they're different enough to warrant a book.
You missed tactical, you know, the basic SM troops. Also I'd point out that many of the items on your Death Guard exclusion list are akin to excluding SW from taking Dark Knights or Death Company (Noise Marines, Rubrics, Bezerkers). And many others are akin to Centurions and SM flyers, SW couldn't take them before, now they can (pretty much any demonengine). They wouldn't break DG by being added much like they didn't break SW by being added. But hey, you forge your narrative.
There's a massive leap between letting death guard use them (which is what they have now with cultists and chaos lords), because they don't get DR and an obliterator having DR and +1 toughness and mysteriously costing the same because its in the same core codex as everyone else's.
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
Also isn't one of the stupid elements of the current dexes is that certain generic Chaos units don;t get the relevant DG rules?
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.
If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.
Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.
Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
They didn't even do that inside the core Marine codex- Predator Destructor/Annihilator and Captain in Gravis Armor/Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle are both identical entries except one swapped weapon
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Like I said - opportunity missed - yet again.
Well, I'm glad they missed it, anything that keeps the right volume of flavour without ott bloat is a win.
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.
If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.
Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.
Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.
If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.
Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.
Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.
Oddly all the dg players and fans want everything to have the fnp equivalent.
Beyond the fact some of that list is already redundant with existing options in the deathguard codex. I.e. you want unique dg flavour terminators... and blightlords and death shroud? Why would you ever not take the supplement army that has nigh on 100% core with added options and more units on top.
To make it worse I don't really understand why you think having death guard chaos marines is even a feasible concept. They're plague marines, that's the point of them.
How many of the equivalent units can not be sorted with a couple of rules options and name option
REALLY Hopes some idiot will not go into a stupid whiny rant that doing this would be the same as Making Guardsmen and Titans the same - like idiots usually do.....
You have to differentiate a profile for a mutilator to cover all god specific legions and the renegades etc.
If you give it meaningful rules for being in deathguard (+1 t & dr), it will need to cost more points, it also has a different stat line.
Then repeat this for Ec, WE and Tsons and rules that fit if it isn't in one of those legions.
Or, you write its DG points and profile, separately... in a DG codex.
Look at it this way. They didn't just say "use tacticals" to represent grey hunters and they don't even have a different stat line. Why is it then rational to give units with different stat lines all printed in 1 entry with 5/6 different base costs with 4-5 different wargear lists based on a supplement you may or may not have?
Well GW has clearly shown they don't think all Death Guard have a FNP equivalent. So there's no point in having a separate codex.
All Death Guard units should have Disgustingly Resilient, and I bet they'll get it in the new codex. Everything not having it is just a relic of the poor design of early 8th edition codexes.
There's a massive leap between letting death guard use them (which is what they have now with cultists and chaos lords), because they don't get DR and an obliterator having DR and +1 toughness and mysteriously costing the same because its in the same core codex as everyone else's.
Which is why I didn't mention obliterators.
All Death Guard units should have Disgustingly Resilient, and I bet they'll get it in the new codex. Everything not having it is just a relic of the poor design of early 8th edition codexes.
I disagree. Vehicles should not. Death Guard Astartes infantry sure.
Oddly all the dg players and fans want everything to have the fnp equivalent.
Well why wouldn't they want all of their everything to have damage reduction. I mean I want everything I have to get fnp too. Guard, Mechanicum, you name it.
But not everything 
