Oh boy, if they don't include a good amount of customization and all the weapons options in the box to compensate for the 7 models, this is gonna get messy...
NinthMusketeer wrote: We get it, its bad and everyone who likes it is wrong. We would be nowhere without you to tell us how unbelievably gakky GW releases are, why we might even be enjoying the hobby completely oblivious to how miserable we were.
Where did say any of that? Where have I said that GW releases are "unbelievably gakky"? And yes, I would argue that everyone who likes the idea of 7 models for the price of 10 is wrong. How can one ever be happy about that?
But here's an idea for you Muskateer: Don't. Fething. Generalise.
I try to be rather specific with my comments, so my ire is directed at things in this release which are either less than they could be (Deathshroud) or things that are actually bad (7 models for the price of 10). I have stated time and time again what I like about this release, and other releases.
But, in case you missed it: I think this Death Guard release has been one of gross missed opportunities combined with a near-perfect aesthetic. The miniatures that we have received are simply breathtaking (and not in a "Help I'm choking on plague flies!" way). The new units (Drone, Plague Buggy and the Mortar) are incredible looking, the character models (other than the silly smoke-blowing sorcerer from DI) are incredible, and the new Plague Marines and especially the Terminators are fantastic. If there were any minis I don't like, it would be a couple of the stand alone characters and the Plague Zombies are a little too happy/jolly looking for my tastes, but that can be somewhat dealt with if you use a more drab colour scheme.
The actual releases have a few isses - the price for mono-pose miniatures and the reduction of 7 for 10 being the worst among them - and the rules leave a lot to be desired (with non-Nurgle units in a Death Guard Codex because no model/no rule).
I can take the good with the bad, and express both. If you want to generalise and just say "HMBCDVD always just hates things! OMG! Such a whiner!", then that's your deal. And also a bold-faced LIE.
I apologise, only specific things are bad and people who don't have a problem with those things are wrong. Thank you for illuminating us on exactly why we should be unhappy, lest we see different viewpoints than yours as legitimate.
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
Kharne the Befriender wrote: So what kind of stuff would have to come in the Plague Marine kit to make it worth the 50$?
Probably more than it'll have, unfortunately. 5 axes, 2 flails, 2 blight launchers, 2 plasma guns, 2 maces, knives, 10 heads, 10 chests, 10 arm pairs etc. Doesn't seem too unreasonable for $50 but I guess we'll know in a few minutes.
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.
Bloated with festering corruption, Plague Marines form the mainstay of the Death Guard, and unlike many Traitor Legions their numbers have only swollen as the millennia have passed. Sworn to Nurgle’s service, Plague Marines have disgusting, rotted bodies that stink of decay. The putrescent slime that oozes from their sores corrodes armour boils away skin, yet despite their horrific disfigurements they are fearsome warriors indeed.
This multi-part plastic kit contains the components necessary to assemble a 7-man squad of Plague Marines. Each is posed dynamically, with the usual Death Guard accoutrements – cracked, rotting armour revealing grasping tentacles, severed heads displayed proudly on belts, backpacks sloshing with unnatural diseases and pipework leading from rebreathers to Nurgle knows what foul concoctions. There’s an Icon of Despair included, so your unit can feature an icon bearer.
These models feature a wide range of weapons and heads, many of which are designed to fit a specific model – there are 8 boltguns, 4 plague knives, 3 bubotic axes, a blight launcher, a plasma gun, a meltagun, a plaguebelcher, a heavy plaguespewer (with backpack), a mace of contagion, a great plague cleaver, a plague flail, a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol. There are 2 weapon options available for the unit Champion: a specific plaguesword and power fist, and there are a total of 16 bare and helmeted heads. 2 specific arms are included for a model holding a blight grenade, with one hand pulling the pin.
This kit comes as 146 components, and is supplied with 7 Citadel 32mm Round bases.
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.
It's not particularly wrong to call a 7 object box priced the same as the 10 object standard an objectively bad deal.
It's not -literally- objective, but close enough for standard conversation, and I don't think any of us are seeking to split philosophical hairs here.
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.
What I wrote is not a strawman, I am afraid. But I keep seeing a severe lack of logic in the attacks to H.B.M.C., included personal attacks and (not you) moving the goalpost.
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.
It's not particularly wrong to call a 7 object box priced the same as the 10 object standard an objectively bad deal.
It's not -literally- objective, but close enough for standard conversation, and I don't think any of us are seeking to split philosophical hairs here.
Since the entire premise of his post was based off taking my sarcasm at face value I don't see why not. Or did he think I -literally- believe people who like the release are universally miserable? But even that is moot, since we all know that prices go up over time and a person could have a legitimate opinion that the 7-man box for the price of 10 is simply compensating for that, or that the new 7-man box is an increase in quality that justifies the price, or both. It's not an opinion I have myself but that does not make it objectively wrong.
Elaborating on the plague marine box itself now that we know the exact contents; I find it ridiculous that the box costs 10-man price for 7 and doesn't even have all the possible weapon loadouts. Sternguard pricing for a 5-man with all of the weapon options would have been bad but at least acceptable. One can get used to the price but no amount of budgeting, discounts, or bundles will eliminate the pain in the ass it is to equip a unit with, say, 3 plasma guns. It's not impossible or even very difficult to compensate for but I feel that extra step is significant if the kit is going to have less than the normal amount of models.
Hmm. The kit is at least better in the variety deparment than the Blighlords one. Not as much as I'll like , but I can understand the limitations of variety with all the straps, tubes, chainmal, clothes, etc... that they did with the miniatures.
One must accept that long coats aren't compatible with multiposability. You see it in Dark Angels Company Veterans, Skitarii, etc...
And I agree, the Biologus Putrifier is beautifull. But, I'm the only one that is a little... confused about the fact that the Icon Bearer and the Champion alternative sculpts cost the same as those Elite HQ's? I can understand that from a technical and objetive standpoint, they are the same amount of plastic, etc... so theres a reason for them to cost the same. But paying the same for a Hero than for a Sargeant ... feels a little wrong.
SilverAlien wrote: Uh.... so is no one going to comment on those... interesting PM sprues?
You are right. I have to say that it looks promising at least from the bits standpoint and we have to concede a point to the people that said that with all the options the sprue ended being too full for 10 models. I am not enthusiastic but I understand.
Still 1 box and heavy conversions from internet, I am afraid
I'm quite pleased with the Plague Marine kits, I'm going to grab 2 of them and do some extensive cross contamination between them and the DI plague marines, hopefully that'll make them more unique
I actually agree with your criticism fwiw, you just have comically thin skin when treated with the same contempt you treat others.
To be honest he reacted quite well to your baseless strawman.
Better than I expected, but it still amounted to 'my opinion is fact, other opinions are wrong.' Hell, he even said as such explicitly in regards to the 7-man box. As for the strawman comment I respect your clever sarcasm--using baseless strawman AS a baseless strawman is rather humorous.
What I wrote is not a strawman, I am afraid. But I keep seeing a severe lack of logic in the attacks to H.B.M.C., included personal attacks and (not you) moving the goalpost.
'HBMC is always negative' is a strawman that I did use once, and it wasn't appropriate when I did. It's also an argument I didn't make here, though that didn't stop him from making a, in his words, "bold faced lie" that I did.
Warhams-77 wrote: No worries, could you copy the sprue photos? My tablet refuses to
I like the axes, the third sprue brings back this classic weapon
This mini is magnificient. Would have like to see them going more with this theme than the one they chose. Aesthetically, nurgle is usally my favorite god with Slaanesh, yet, while I like some of the minis, I don't have the urge to start a PM army (and an urge to start a new army usally happens way too often).
LOL, can't get enough of these NZ prices. Typhus is actually 75 canadian dollars. Is money growing on trees over there? WTF can justify buying this?
Personally I'm kinda not pleased about the kit. I'm not pleased by a 7 man kit that lacking in options (for the unit, not random tat to put on them). I mean, really, toss out two marines and their clutter, add an extra of the relevant options.
Also, does the idea of losing poses but gaining random tat you can hang on them not bother anyone? More options for chest pieces and pauldrons don't actually make models look that distinct, when the options are clearly extreme distinct duplicates distributed differently. They have that issue of really unique looking guys with weird bits of repeated uniqueness.
This box is actually way worse than I thought, and my expectations weren't exactly high. I legitimately have no idea why I would choose these rather than converting something else.
Hmm, it looks like the Plague Marines are much more interchangeable and easier to pose than some people expected, but I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy a box. I for sure wouldn't use most of the special weapons, and the myriad of Blightkings bits I have look nearly identical to the CC weapons provided. It's a tough call, for me. I'll probably get one box to mix in with all my DI stuff anyway tbh.
SilverAlien wrote: Personally I'm kinda not pleased about the kit. I'm not pleased by a 7 man kit that lacking in options (for the unit, not random tat to put on them). I mean, really, toss out two marines and their clutter, add an extra of the relevant options.
Also, does the idea of losing poses but gaining random tat you can hang on them not bother anyone? More options for chest pieces and pauldrons don't actually make models look that distinct, when the options are clearly extreme distinct duplicates distributed differently. They have that issue of really unique looking guys with weird bits of repeated uniqueness.
This box is actually way worse than I thought, and my expectations weren't exactly high. I legitimately have no idea why I would choose these rather than converting something else.
SilverAlien wrote: Also, does the idea of losing poses but gaining random tat you can hang on them not bother anyone? More options for chest pieces and pauldrons don't actually make models look that distinct, when the options are clearly extreme distinct duplicates distributed differently. They have that issue of really unique looking guys with weird bits of repeated uniqueness.
This box is actually way worse than I thought, and my expectations weren't exactly high. I legitimately have no idea why I would choose these rather than converting something else.
To answer the question, it doesn't bother me personally and I actually prefer losing the posing but getting extra bits variety. I can use the bits in other conversions, not so much with extra poses. I also don't find that multipose offers much in the way of functional variety. But I can understand why someone would prefer things the opposite.
Also, agreed on the lack of weapon options being a negative.
the kit options look about as I imagined...one of each special/heavy/special-melee...which I wouldn't mind, if the price wasn't so bloody high...there's a lot of cool looking bits in there though, so I'll probably grab a box, at a 25% discount though.
the biologus putrifier is a bloody gorgeous model...might actually be my favourite death guard model...love everything about his general style, all the subtle "fly" visual cues, and all the little details...lovely. definitely getting one
standard bearer is pretty cool, I don't have any complaints about the model...but that price for a standard bearer is a bloody joke.
same goes for the champion, too expensive...and I really don't like that model, if he wasn't nurgle-fat, I'd say he'd suit emperors children or something more than death guard...the head, and the pose...feels a bit arrogant and pompous. yeah, I just don't like it....which is a damn shame, because I really really love his little helmeted nurgling buddy! he's adorable!
Luciferian wrote: Can someone help me find the third axe? I see the one with teeth on it, and I see the Blightkings one, but I can't see the other one.
One thing I am getting for sure is the Biologus Putrifier.
nope, I've just spent like 10 minutes looking for it...typo?
SilverAlien wrote: Also, does the idea of losing poses but gaining random tat you can hang on them not bother anyone? More options for chest pieces and pauldrons don't actually make models look that distinct, when the options are clearly extreme distinct duplicates distributed differently. They have that issue of really unique looking guys with weird bits of repeated uniqueness.
This box is actually way worse than I thought, and my expectations weren't exactly high. I legitimately have no idea why I would choose these rather than converting something else.
To answer the question, it doesn't bother me personally and I actually prefer losing the posing but getting extra bits variety. I can use the bits in other conversions, not so much with extra poses. I also don't find that multipose offers much in the way of functional variety. But I can understand why someone would prefer things the opposite.
Also, agreed on the lack of weapon options being a negative.
Yeah, I agree. Blighkings are limited in possability but the huge amount of bits allow for so much customization that the possability isn't that important. I can understand the limitation in possability because how Nurgle works and what you need, like I'll understand the lack of possability when they release Dark Angels versions of Primaris units with Robes.
The lack of weapons, I agree... probably I'll buy one PM kit and one Bligh Kings kit just so mix and match betweem them and other marines that I have to squeeze the last drop of nurgliness of this kits
Luciferian wrote: Can someone help me find the third axe? I see the one with teeth on it, and I see the Blightkings one, but I can't see the other one.
One thing I am getting for sure is the Biologus Putrifier.
nope, I've just spent like 10 minutes looking for it...typo?
Luciferian wrote: Can someone help me find the third axe? I see the one with teeth on it, and I see the Blightkings one, but I can't see the other one.
One thing I am getting for sure is the Biologus Putrifier.
nope, I've just spent like 10 minutes looking for it...typo?
Brutal! That's the one weapon I wanted loads of. Thank god for the Blightkings box. Oh well, as far as random bits go the box is actually pretty cool, at least to supplement your pre-existing conversion stock.
Luciferian wrote: Can someone help me find the third axe? I see the one with teeth on it, and I see the Blightkings one, but I can't see the other one.
One thing I am getting for sure is the Biologus Putrifier.
nope, I've just spent like 10 minutes looking for it...typo?
Bluebeard wrote: The champion has a helmeted variant, thank God. Looks much better that way.
ooh, I hadn't spotted that...yeah, that helmet makes a huge difference to the model...it is a weird helmet though, with the censer just lodged right in the middle of it where the faceplate should be...
God dammit. Enough with this nurgle stuff.......... The last 40k armies that was release/updated, bar those on the starter set, was TS. Almost a year ago. We only got PM and primarines in a year (I don't care for special characters). Really boring and disapointing.
The blight hauler does look cool though, if a bit too similar to the drone
I believe after Death Guard, Necromunda and Shadowspire, we'll have a Nurgle Daemon release, so bless nurgle Streetsamurai, your despair is a worthy offering for the Great Father!
Wow, the pics of the sprues have me totally jazzed to pick all the PM kits up. The Champion is great with the helmeted head option, and separate left arm so I can give him a useful weapon to go with the fist. The standard bearer and Putrifier are both lovely, and would also be useful for conversions. The big PM kit is way better than I was expecting. Separate arms and shoulder pads for most arms is great! Between swapping shoulders, backpacks, chests, heads, and weapons, they have plenty of options for variety. I don't miss the ability to turn the waists at all, it's the most annoying part of a regular Marine to assemble. Can we all stop complaining about the 'monopose' now, because that's mostly not true for the PM kit? The price and the one-each on special weapons do sting, but they are not dealbreakers. I just need to figure out how I'm going to drum up enough fat old plasma guns.
I really like the new Icon Bearer. I think it's a good update on the old metal one. Classic look with great modernisation. The Champ I can take or leave, but the most interesting things about the miniature are what's optional: The head, which I don't like, can be replaced. The two Nurglings, which I know a lot of people here* have problems with, are not sculpted onto his armour or anything like that, so are optional.
I want to take all the 'optional' Nurglings from these kits and make custom Nurgling bases. Or a little squad of unique looking Nurglings.
As for the 7-for-the-price-of-10 box, the price is still insane and yes, anyone who defends has been blinded by the strobe light GW installed near their mirrors and smoke machines, but even I can admit that the actual kit itself has more than I was expecting. I refer specifically to the chest pieces. Some here have expressed concern** over the abundance of big tentacled/toothed chest pieces, wishing for a more clean (or as clean as you can get with Nurgle) approach to their armour. It would appear that the kit does exactly that. Still has 1 of each gun, which is pretty lame but not unexpected. I'm happy for the chest options. It's what I was hoping for when these were first announced way back in that teaser video.
*Don't see me coming down on them for being "wrong" about that, whether I agree or not. But keep smacking me because I take offence to having to pay for 10 models yet only getting seven. **See above.
Warhams-77 wrote: Next Saturday will most likely be the Blight-Hauler's preorder date (top left)
How the hell did it get up there?
Galas wrote: I believe after Death Guard, Necromunda and Shadowspire, we'll have a Nurgle Daemon release, so bless nurgle Streetsamurai, your despair is a worthy offering for the Great Father!
Nurgle Daemon release. Hmm... I wonder what they'll add? I really hope those Stag Beetle things from the DI artwork make an appearance. Either that or snail cavalry.
NinthMusketeer wrote: 'HBMC is always negative' is a strawman that I did use once, and it wasn't appropriate when I did. It's also an argument I didn't make here, though that didn't stop him from making a, in his words, "bold faced lie" that I did.
Like so many others your biggest problem is that you're discussing me, rather than the points I'm making. Look past the username to things I'm actually saying. It'll help you make better replies than just borderline personal attacks and, has been pointed out, the usual cavalcade of strawmanning and goalpost shifting (that's not specifically or only you, BTW).
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hmm... I wonder what they'll add? I really hope those Stag Beetle things from the DI artwork make an appearance. Either that or snail cavalry.
my bet is BoN & GUO ... if we are lucky pestigor and herald with palanquin too
SilverAlien wrote: Personally I'm kinda not pleased about the kit. I'm not pleased by a 7 man kit that lacking in options (for the unit, not random tat to put on them). I mean, really, toss out two marines and their clutter, add an extra of the relevant options.
Also, does the idea of losing poses but gaining random tat you can hang on them not bother anyone? More options for chest pieces and pauldrons don't actually make models look that distinct, when the options are clearly extreme distinct duplicates distributed differently. They have that issue of really unique looking guys with weird bits of repeated uniqueness.
This box is actually way worse than I thought, and my expectations weren't exactly high. I legitimately have no idea why I would choose these rather than converting something else.
You know when everyone kept shooting me down in this thread mate?
This has been my point the entire time.
They're not unique if it's the same pose with slightly different details. It's an approach that would work fine for old 8th ed Fantasy with rank and file but really is jarring in 40k where models do not rank up and each model can effectively be seen and scrutinised.
Going to need to have a proper look at those sprues later today but...
Ugh.
It's what I feared. Fixed legs and torso backs, variety being your choice of torso front. Which completely kills cross range compatability - deliberately excluding the FW conversion kits. It also rather disappointingly writes off my idea of using the more mutated bits and mixing with a Possessed Box to do some DG Possessed.
So the PM box looks way better like expected. I can build a squad without bellymouths. The number of icons is OK, not the overkill from the DI box.
As Warhams-77 aleady stated, with this and a squad from DI, everybody should be able to fill in their troops. If they have the skill, to duplicate weapons.
As for skills: how are you going to paint your Biologus? I may need a tutuorial for his wings aka all that containers. If anybody knows one, please show me. I want my fly-angel to be superb.
Does somebody know a publisher for flyswarms, that could fit the DG style?
And what are this tentacle things in the terrain in some of the promotion shots? They are not part of the Eldar deadworld stuff.
The brethren are also on their last chance in Germany. Maybe we will see our starter collection sooner than we thought.
My mind is melting and I take everything about GW shying the expense of a third sprue for Plague Marines back. I still don't like the way they cut the bodies and only getting seven instead of a nornal squad size, but off to the zoom tool I go to count the options and bits for creating three more with Blightking and MK 3 bodies.
Edit: Soooo not that many useful bits. Mhm. But split-up shoulder pads taking up space...and the fan favourite Blightking butt-chainmail
I hope the demons release will have more useful gribbly bits and those small bellycrawler demon thingies from the DG pics are size-wise possible to combine with Skitarii and ghouls to make creepy bent, twisted and hobbling Nurgle cultists.
Galas wrote: I believe after Death Guard, Necromunda and Shadowspire, we'll have a Nurgle Daemon release, so bless nurgle Streetsamurai, your despair is a worthy offering for the Great Father!
Nurgle Daemon release. Hmm... I wonder what they'll add? I really hope those Stag Beetle things from the DI artwork make an appearance. Either that or snail cavalry.
I'm torn between calling that beast Nurglelysk or Nurgleratops.
And, personal creation (And position ) with this release:
I don't even play Nurgle but...this box is so bad ! 7 for 40€, and the legs and torsos are moulded together ?!
What the hell ? How are we supposed to customize OUR models we paid ? I hope it does NOT start a trend...
I really enjoy cross range compatibility.
Sorry for you, Nurgle guys. This is what you get by betraying the God-Emperor.
godardc wrote: I don't even play Nurgle but...this box is so bad ! 7 for 40€, and the legs and torsos are moulded together ?!
What the hell ? How are we supposed to customize OUR models we paid ? I hope it does NOT start a trend...
I really enjoy cross range compatibility.
Sorry for you, Nurgle guys. This is what you get by betraying the God-Emperor.
dont feel sorry, im pretty happy with the models, though more marines in the box would have been nicer. The amount of detail on them means you wouldnt be able to have as much posability and the like when compared to say standard marines. And ther is a lot of detail.. . Some may not like it but i think its great, each and every DG looks like a character, lots of individuality
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
Not like since day one has this tag been on there:
Available while stocks last.
I'll be interested to see whether they become available by themselves without the art stuff or if they just get left to (no pun intended) rot in terms of the mold.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
Not like since day one has this tag been on there:
Available while stocks last.
I'll be interested to see whether they become available by themselves without the art stuff or if they just get left to (no pun intended) rot in terms of the mold.
Actually, the tag was never there until today.
I know because when they first went up I scoured to check at any hint it was a, at least in the short term, limited release.
Mortarion - building him without the rock base. Going to be a fun balancing act but the idea is to just cover his base in skulls and murky water. Thank you based Skull Pack. No issues with him as a kit. I don't mind Morty one bit.
Plagueburst Crawler - Bit of a tight two sprues, seems that the weapons use the same connection so...easier perhaps for swapping in and out if you want? Still like the model - the 360 on the website makes it look so much better - even GW's packaging is lacklustre but I think 90% of that is the paintscheme they went with.
Tallyman - head is seperate. Nice. Can't do much with the rest but he was always the most OK with me of the characters.
Plague Surgeon - picked up on a whim. Regretting it. The head and hood are split and pretty much mandatory. Everything is fixed and there seems to be no real options there at all. I'll stick to using FW 30k Apothecaries and just do this one as is.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
But what about the molds? I mean the prices are so high because the molds cost so much money. I wonder what the excuse is this times if the molds don't cost so much now.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
Not like since day one has this tag been on there:
Available while stocks last.
I'll be interested to see whether they become available by themselves without the art stuff or if they just get left to (no pun intended) rot in terms of the mold.
Actually, the tag was never there until today.
I know because when they first went up I scoured to check at any hint it was a, at least in the short term, limited release.
I knew right from the beginning they were a limited release. I don't remember where I read it, but GW must have it clear somewhere because I snatched a box right away even though I won't have time (or money) to do a Death Guard army for a long time to come.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
Not like since day one has this tag been on there:
Available while stocks last.
I'll be interested to see whether they become available by themselves without the art stuff or if they just get left to (no pun intended) rot in terms of the mold.
Actually, the tag was never there until today.
I know because when they first went up I scoured to check at any hint it was a, at least in the short term, limited release.
I knew right from the beginning they were a limited release. I don't remember where I read it, but GW must have it clear somewhere because I snatched a box right away even though I won't have time (or money) to do a Death Guard army for a long time to come.
Want to know how the new Death Guard were made? Just fancy some awesome miniatures? The Plague Brethren is a special collector’s set, available only while stocks last, designed to commemorate this radically reinvented army. As well as three beautifully detailed Death Guard Plague Marines to add to your squads (perfect for rounding out your unit from Dark Imperium to an even 10!), this set features exclusive art cards featuring concepts by John Blanche as well as a 20-page booklet looking at how we designed the new Death Guard, offering some fascinating insights. The Plague Brethren is only available while stocks last, so don’t miss your chance to get your hands on these models.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
But what about the molds? I mean the prices are so high because the molds cost so muc money. I wonder what the excuse is this times if the molds don't cost so much now.
>b-but it's a business! T-they need to make money!
>d-don't be so entitled! Y-you just want everything for nothing!
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
But what about the molds? I mean the prices are so high because the molds cost so muc money. I wonder what the excuse is this times if the molds don't cost so much now.
>b-but it's a business! T-they need to make money!
>d-don't be so entitled! Y-you just want everything for nothing!
If GW is that expensive for you, then how come peecha chakka no wookie boonowa tweepi solo? Ho ho ho ho hooooo.
Arbitrator wrote: Plague Brethren went Last Chance to Buy because of course.
Not like since day one has this tag been on there:
Available while stocks last.
I'll be interested to see whether they become available by themselves without the art stuff or if they just get left to (no pun intended) rot in terms of the mold.
Actually, the tag was never there until today.
I know because when they first went up I scoured to check at any hint it was a, at least in the short term, limited release.
I knew right from the beginning they were a limited release. I don't remember where I read it, but GW must have it clear somewhere because I snatched a box right away even though I won't have time (or money) to do a Death Guard army for a long time to come.
Want to know how the new Death Guard were made? Just fancy some awesome miniatures? The Plague Brethren is a special collector’s set, available only while stocks last, designed to commemorate this radically reinvented army. As well as three beautifully detailed Death Guard Plague Marines to add to your squads (perfect for rounding out your unit from Dark Imperium to an even 10!), this set features exclusive art cards featuring concepts by John Blanche as well as a 20-page booklet looking at how we designed the new Death Guard, offering some fascinating insights. The Plague Brethren is only available while stocks last, so don’t miss your chance to get your hands on these models.
Elbows wrote: I'll admit...I'm honestly dumbfounded that people want a multi-part kit for something like poxwalkers.
16 unique sculpts is good enough, but a separated box with the 20 poxwalkers from DI could be good. But I doubt that we are gonna have it. We have the 6 poxwalker easy to build one, like the 5 mono pose cultists from DV.
if i need more poxwalkers I just mix cadians+zombies kits. Or just Mantic Zombies do the trick fine enough.
I think I've finally put my finger on exactly what's wrong with the new Typhus. I thought about it, what is it about an overweight guy, slightly off-balance, awkwardly swinging a hafted weapon around that bothers me so? Then I realized. He's Star Wars Kid.
Elbows wrote: I'll admit...I'm honestly dumbfounded that people want a multi-part kit for something like poxwalkers.
Yup same, they're cannon fodder, plus you can easily get 10 for about £8 on eBay, or less, they are also bit hard to swap out weapons on most of them or mix heads, then use different paint schemes to vary appearance. TBH it seems to me like GW is heading towards a situation where they do the posed, limited option, models, and specialist games do the "however you want it" models.
The new plague crawler kit is a good example, there are no generic vehicle sprues, limited variation BUT it's got to be one of the easiest vehicle kits to assemble ever of that type (hate trying to get rhino/raider variants classic together) and you'd struggle to add much customisation.
Pricing on stuff like the marines doesn't bother me, I'm buying the new releases at 25% off retail plus a measly .5% cash back, I'll no doubt be able to sell the spare parts from the marines like I did with the blightlords (£12 for 2 boxes of leftovers) and I doubted up on dark imperium and first strike, again at 25% off, then resold the primaris and rulebook, plus bulked out my blight walkers via eBay once the hype died down £18 for £30 from a seller in Poland).
You can make an army you want without spending a fortune, just have to be creative and play the market a little in terms of reselling, getting best discounts etc
Not overly convinced we are going to see new daemons, I think we're going to see a focus on shadespirethen Necromunda before the Xmas value boxes/hobby stuff for end of year. Should get a hint today if the daemon engine things are coming for preorder next weekend if warhammer community follows usual pattern.
if i need more poxwalkers I just mix cadians+zombies kits. Or just Mantic Zombies do the trick fine enough.
I finally found a use for the 90-odd Mantic Plague Zombies I had in the cupboard
Seriously, I bought 80 of the darn things on the Kickstarter b/c they were so blasted cheap ($45 USD for 80 hard plastic zombies). 80 Poxwalkers is what, 480 points?
Alternatively, GW ghouls. And now that I look at Grand Alliance Death units, Morghasts would make pretty spiff Daemon Princes of Nurgle
Pricing on stuff like the marines doesn't bother me, I'm buying the new releases at 25% off retail plus a measly .5% cash back, I'll no doubt be able to sell the spare parts from the marines like I did with the blightlords (£12 for 2 boxes of leftovers) and I doubted up on dark imperium and first strike, again at 25% off, then resold the primaris and rulebook, plus bulked out my blight walkers via eBay once the hype died down £18 for £30 from a seller in Poland).
Sorry for the odd-topic byt where do you get gw stuff at 25% off?
i think im going to get a blightlord box 2-3 plaguburst crawlers and maybe 2 of the PM box sets. love the stuff (including DI so far
Pricing on stuff like the marines doesn't bother me, I'm buying the new releases at 25% off retail plus a measly .5% cash back, I'll no doubt be able to sell the spare parts from the marines like I did with the blightlords (£12 for 2 boxes of leftovers) and I doubted up on dark imperium and first strike, again at 25% off, then resold the primaris and rulebook, plus bulked out my blight walkers via eBay once the hype died down £18 for £30 from a seller in Poland).
Sorry for the odd-topic byt where do you get gw stuff at 25% off?
i think im going to get a blightlord box 2-3 plaguburst crawlers and maybe 2 of the PM box sets. love the stuff (including DI so far
Just Google online retailers and you'll find some offering discounts.
Yeah that is pretty strange, isn't the 'Next Week' article usually up by now?
You have to wait till tomorrow.
As for the pox walkers: like other users already commented, there are a ton of kits and modells to make your own. I even butchered my Black Reach orks and made them into some. You have old models you wouldn´t use otherwise? Just cut a little here and there, let their bellies pop and paint them up like the rest of your horde.
And for chaos cultists there is a box from northstar and a sci-fi weapons sprue which get really close to the look of the GW cultists.
Alright, now that the new Plague Marines are out I must say that they are a nice kit. Overpriced for sure but nice. If they ever stick them in a Start Collecting! box I might add them to my unpainted pile of plastic.
broxus wrote: How many plasma-guns are in the box? Is it one plasma gun and one plasma pistol per box? Meaning only 1/3 of the ones I need for my basic 5 man unit?
It's akin to other troop boxes and doesn't have that many. The good news is that the 3 man plastic kit comes with a plasma gun backpack, so I'm planning to snip those off of there and fir them into the hands of my PM squad. Combine this with the DI plasma guy and it's easier to get plasma guns than to get any other special weapon. Not ideal, but at least the option exists.
broxus wrote: How many plasma-guns are in the box? Is it one plasma gun and one plasma pistol per box? Meaning only 1/3 of the ones I need for my basic 5 man unit?
Yeah, welcome to GW sales strategy.
One Plasma Gun in the multipart box. One in Dark Imperium, and one Power Fist + Plasma Gun in Easy To Paint.
OTOH, the blight launcher seems decent, so I'm thinking some squads with Plasma, some with Blight Launchers.
TheCustomLime wrote: To this day I do not understand why GW doesn't just make plastic weapon upgrade sprues. Reasonably priced they'd sell like hotcakes.
I remember when you could order any bit you wanted by mail, and later directly from the web store. Those were the days.
TheCustomLime wrote: To this day I do not understand why GW doesn't just make plastic weapon upgrade sprues. Reasonably priced they'd sell like hotcakes.
More profitable to make people buy entire box sets to get a few bits, I guess? OTOH, it makes Forge World more money, because they do sell a lot of weapons for Space Marines.
If people want spare blight launchers then the parts from the blightlords for the weapon are onky fractionally larger than the regular pm launcher in the easy to assemble kit.
Elbows wrote: The resin copied hauler is already available from Puppets I believe. Cheaper too. Go nuts.
That's the Crawler. The Hauler is the little Fart Tank with the missile launcher and melta. I'm still worried that's going to be a single model box for like $50 and make a squadron of 3 not at all reasonable.
It is most likely going to be $50.00. I hope they don’t release it in boxes of three unless they have the option to buy one individually. I don’t want to get stuck with buying more than I need and using 3 of them is next to useless in the game. Once a single model of them is destroyed you lose the hit bonus. Not to mention you can’t spread out cover save bonus on the table.
I wonder when we can actually purchase the haulers? We haven’t seen or heard much of them even in the codex. Is this going to be even released in the near future or is this a second wave item? It may be something similar to the Primarius Rhino that still has not been release.
I realise I may be incredibly late to the party on this but how big/small are the Death Guard marines compared to a 'normal' marine/CSM and compared to the Primaris marines? They certainly look bigger than standard marines.
Also, has anyone seen any alternative schemes for these? I really want to get some and try doing them in white, a la the original pre-Heresy scheme and like the Lords of Decay from the Vraks book. However I haven't seen any in colours other than green and my photoshop skills are non-existant so I can't mock one up in white either.
rivers3162 wrote: I realise I may be incredibly late to the party on this but how big/small are the Death Guard marines compared to a 'normal' marine/CSM and compared to the Primaris marines? They certainly look bigger than standard marines.
Also, has anyone seen any alternative schemes for these? I really want to get some and try doing them in white, a la the original pre-Heresy scheme and like the Lords of Decay from the Vraks book. However I haven't seen any in colours other than green and my photoshop skills are non-existant so I can't mock one up in white either.
The Plague Marines are just a tad shorter than the Primaris Marines, but in many cases they are more bulky. So they are definitely much larger overall than any pre-Primaris marines. As for alternate paint schemes, plenty of people are doing Heresy Era white paint jobs. Both the DI pamphlets and the Codex have a lot of alternate color schemes for different Vectoriums:
Also, has anyone seen any alternative schemes for these? I really want to get some and try doing them in white, a la the original pre-Heresy scheme and like the Lords of Decay from the Vraks book. However I haven't seen any in colours other than green and my photoshop skills are non-existant so I can't mock one up in white either.
Did you even try to google, at the very least?
Codex is full of alternative colour schemes, as is Warhammer TV (and YouTube more broadly, obviously), with painting guides on how to do them.
Could it be they are late on the hauler production/distribution ? The lack of photos and variants make me think it could be a late/last minutes add on to the codex...
I remember when people had to wait 5+ years between a Codex with a new entry and some teasing artwork (say, 2009 Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber) and the model's release.
A few weeks or months shouldn't kill anyone's Death Guard project. Have you truly already painted everything up and complete they released thus far (as far as you bought it)?
Warhams-77 wrote: There could also be other DG products which have not been teased yet.
They’d probably be in the codex.
True, but I meant something like First Strike or a DG Painting Guide. There hasn't been a White Dwarf batrep with Death Guard either, and with the Hauler not yet available for preorder there could be a small release not so far away. A box like Death Masque / Blight War would be too early I guess. Will we see the Hauler around the time Nurgle Daemons get released?
Not nearly as nice as the real model. I guess if you are on a very tight budget i could see getting it. However, I would rather save for the real one that is much better looking.
Yeah, the $20 dollar difference doesnt mean much to me when you place the models side by side - plus most people get some kind of discount on the GW version, so theres that as well.
Not nearly as nice as the real model. I guess if you are on a very tight budget i could see getting it. However, I would rather save for the real one that is much better looking.
I personally really like the Bitspudio one, but I do think the GW one is better. I planned on getting two Mortars anyway, so I bought both. Now they'll both have distinctive looks, and be easy to tell apart. My 'good guy' marines can all have their identical vehicles/armor, but I like my chaos stuff to look really different. You can accomplish that with just using other bits in a kit, or doing different conversions/ paint jobs, but I like that it looks like the two tanks were produced differently from one another, but still holding to a specific design. Sort of like having two types of cars from different manufacturers.
I'm hoping plenty of 3rd party companies make their own plague haulers (aka Nurgle Nuggit Racers (aaka Fart Karts)). As I'd love all of mine ( and I plan to get a few) to look very different from one another.
May just be me, but I'm really not a fan of this model. Also price wise, it's on par with the GW version to have it delivered so I may as well stick to the official model.
broxus wrote: It is most likely going to be $50.00. I hope they don’t release it in boxes of three unless they have the option to buy one individually. I don’t want to get stuck with buying more than I need and using 3 of them is next to useless in the game. Once a single model of them is destroyed you lose the hit bonus. Not to mention you can’t spread out cover save bonus on the table.
I wonder when we can actually purchase the haulers? We haven’t seen or heard much of them even in the codex. Is this going to be even released in the near future or is this a second wave item? It may be something similar to the Primarius Rhino that still has not been release.
Sorry, why is using 3 useless? Am I missing something here?
I don't have a lot of experience with the rules sadly so if you could explain that'd be great, thank you.
The Beast of Nurgle is also missing a new model, one that matches the art in Codex: DG. There has been a rumor engine pic which looks similiar to the artwork so it should be an upcoming release as well.
Or they're saving it (and possibly an alt. Lord of Contagion with the other weapon option in the Codex) for a Christmas bundle-box / Start-Collecting-box.
The Beast of Nurgle is also missing a new model, one that matches the art in Codex: DG. There has been a rumor engine pic which looks similiar to the artwork so it should be an upcoming release as well.
Spoiler:
Via B&C
Now granted, its 3 am here....
But that rumour engine pic is literally just the mouth on the beast of nurgle art.
Slime is identical.
Cross that one off?
can we not argue about how the "new beast of nurgle" model looks, when we don't actually know if there is even going to be one, let alone what it will actually look like, aside from a piece of artwork that *might* be a beast of nurgle?
...I mean, granted, there is a decent chance that there will be a new model, and that art could very well be based on it, but right now, we have no bloody idea really, do we?
that said, I'd honestly take pretty much any alternative over the current model, because that may just be the only GW model that I actually *hate*...
I may just convert up my own. getting tired of waiting
I do wonder if a boat thrall/bloat thrall overseer from Cryx plus mechanicus legs could do that. I have a Melta dread arm and the missile launcher bits already there.
I was thinking about converting it from the moment they put the smartass rule "buy three to make them work", I would use 1 for the cover in some build.
I'm hoping that they're reworking its rules or something. It has the perfect opportunity to have other weapons on it, like the Helbrute ones at least. That was probably the most disappointing thing about it. I'm hoping they rework the datasheet in the box and give it more options
changemod wrote: I'm not sure how they came to the conclusion the Beast of Nurgle should be humanoid.
Its just a fat tentacle nurgling. Which is a vastly better artwork then their current terrible metal derp model
Ancient sculpt aside, the current model depicts an actual beast.
At first I tought the same "The new artwork don't look "beast" at all". But I don't mind if they made the beast of nurgle like the arwork, if they give us the ultra-cool looking Nurgleratops. That will fill the gap of a "nurgle daemonic beast"
Kharne the Befriender wrote: I'm hoping that they're reworking its rules or something. It has the perfect opportunity to have other weapons on it, like the Helbrute ones at least. That was probably the most disappointing thing about it. I'm hoping they rework the datasheet in the box and give it more options
Like? I don't see that happening, as the kits already done. They would need to sculpt more stuff then make some upgrade kit, which isn't going to happen. It has missiles and a melta. What would you want it to have? Lascannons are not really a new style deathguard thing. Close combat weapons would look and be dumb for it.
Kharne the Befriender wrote: I'm hoping that they're reworking its rules or something. It has the perfect opportunity to have other weapons on it, like the Helbrute ones at least. That was probably the most disappointing thing about it. I'm hoping they rework the datasheet in the box and give it more options
Like? I don't see that happening, as the kits already done. They would need to sculpt more stuff then make some upgrade kit, which isn't going to happen. It has missiles and a melta. What would you want it to have? Lascannons are not really a new style deathguard thing. Close combat weapons would look and be dumb for it.
I wasnt thinking close combat, but they definitely could have given it the Plasma Cannon, or the Reaper Cannon. Hell they could have given it the option for Plaguespitters or the Blight Launcher. Even make it to where it could take dual melta or something. I find it hard to believe that missile+melta is the only thing they could put on there, and if it stays like that I will be disappointed. But of course this is all just the opinion of one guy on the internet
And also, I was saying that they should be in the kit itself. We haven't seen the sprues so we don't know for sure what's in it, until we do its all speculation
different enough to be worth thinking about, although i'd still be tempted to kitbash with the GW rotors with the Hitech central section but that gets expensive
ehh, not sure if I like that honestly...it looks kinda busy, also the wings give it a bit of a "zooming" vibe, as opposed to the "ponderous, sputtering hover" vibe I get from the rotors on the GW one...also, the 40mm base seems like an odd decision, surely that'd tip over?
Best guess, the Hauler is an easy-assemble model for some sort of bundle or board game box. I don't know why it wouldn't have any wargear options otherwise.
lord_blackfang wrote: Best guess, the Hauler is an easy-assemble model for some sort of bundle or board game box. I don't know why it wouldn't have any wargear options otherwise.
Ether that or its GW's new design philosophy to make limited option models to force people to buy other kits to fill niches they need.
For the Haulers I hopefully get a box of Servo Haulers for my bday today (but my brother had trouble sourcing one in stock locally and our usual webstores) to make two Renault FT light tanks crewed by traitor IG. If the conversions work as planned I'll later add a third one..
The things are daemon engines with few options and remind me of the Khorne cannons - maybe they'll be part of the upcoming Nurgle daemon release?
dan2026 wrote: What happened to the new Great Unclean One everyone said was coming?
And the new Beasts?
These will most likely be covered in the Nurgle Rotbringers army for Age of Sigmar.
Rotbringers are a mortal army and doesn’t have any daemons in it.
There's a bit of a disconnect here.
We know there is a book coming soon-ish(no dates) which will feature the Nurgle Rotbringers. It will probably have a fancy name that will not be "Nurgle Rotbringers". Look at the way that Blades of Khorne and Disciples of Tzeentch have been done.
dan2026 wrote: What happened to the new Great Unclean One everyone said was coming?
And the new Beasts?
These will most likely be covered in the Nurgle Rotbringers army for Age of Sigmar.
Rotbringers are a mortal army and doesn’t have any daemons in it.
There's a bit of a disconnect here.
We know there is a book coming soon-ish(no dates) which will feature the Nurgle Rotbringers. It will probably have a fancy name that will not be "Nurgle Rotbringers". Look at the way that Blades of Khorne and Disciples of Tzeentch have been done.
The book will include Daemons.
Not saying you are wrong.
But where was the AoS Nurgle book confirmed?
The 14th is Shadespire preorder, the 21st is Eldar, the 28th is more Shadespire, the 4th of November is Nids, There was a rumour a while ago that Necromunda was the 18th (same week as bloodbowl) so there may be the last of the deathguard on the 11th. Demons have been long rumoured to be coming in 2018
dan2026 wrote: What happened to the new Great Unclean One everyone said was coming?
And the new Beasts?
These will most likely be covered in the Nurgle Rotbringers army for Age of Sigmar.
Rotbringers are a mortal army and doesn’t have any daemons in it.
There's a bit of a disconnect here.
We know there is a book coming soon-ish(no dates) which will feature the Nurgle Rotbringers. It will probably have a fancy name that will not be "Nurgle Rotbringers". Look at the way that Blades of Khorne and Disciples of Tzeentch have been done.
The book will include Daemons.
Not saying you are wrong.
But where was the AoS Nurgle book confirmed?
Atia's been mentioning that it's on the docket for awhile. I think she said that there will be new Daemons coming in 2018, with the AoS Nurgle release, like how Disciples of Tzeentch went.
Spent a bit of time with the plague marine kit now, built up my first 7. There's no denying that each marine feels individual at the small warand scale. If you are only interested in bolters and one type of special weapon, you'll probably hate the kit after 2 boxes though as you will be using some of the same stuff over the army.
But with the spare bits I have left I can start on box 2 and make sure to use those parts instead so I don't get too many similar poses. All my built plague marines spread out look really cool, much more so than tactical marine kits where most guys are holding their bolters in the ready pose.
Put in the starter sets and you've got about 20-25 plague marines that are all looking unique and cool before you really have to worry about repetition across the army.
Kijamon wrote: Spent a bit of time with the plague marine kit now, built up my first 7. There's no denying that each marine feels individual at the small warand scale. If you are only interested in bolters and one type of special weapon, you'll probably hate the kit after 2 boxes though as you will be using some of the same stuff over the army.
But with the spare bits I have left I can start on box 2 and make sure to use those parts instead so I don't get too many similar poses. All my built plague marines spread out look really cool, much more so than tactical marine kits where most guys are holding their bolters in the ready pose.
Put in the starter sets and you've got about 20-25 plague marines that are all looking unique and cool before you really have to worry about repetition across the army.
Yeah, going beyond that point I think is the problem. It's easy enough to get the Dark Imperium, the easy-to-build, and the Dark Brethren, then you add the unique Plague Champion and Standard Bearer and you've got 15 unique Plague Marines. Add the 7 from the Plague Marine box and you're at 22. Add a second box and with some extra conversion you should be able to get to 25-26 totally unique Plague Marines. That's a lot of money to spend just to make every Plague Marine unique, though, and if you ever face another Death Guard player, they'll have all the same models as you.
I'm not a fan of the whole mono-pose business. I'd rather have models that are easier to convert. I've seen some people take a hobby knife to the various Plague Marine models and do some interesting things with them, but that's a lot of extra work for something, in my opinion, should be easy to do right out of the box. Even if it's just swapping arm poses and head directions like the Primaris Intercessors, at least I can mix quite a few more to make a bunch of unique ones.
But, all we have to do is wait for the Myphtic Blighthauler. I'm pretty surprised it's not out yet. I'm tired of Death Guard and am ready for something else to get some attention.
GW wants you to buy that big Christmas savings box with another 20 or so Poxwalkers. Got to add a little incentive in there.
hum...Someone was also seeing the lack of option as an indication it would be in a game box, but the 3 haulers' rules would make much less sense if it was not availbale in a single box...
Kijamon wrote: Spent a bit of time with the plague marine kit now, built up my first 7. There's no denying that each marine feels individual at the small warand scale. If you are only interested in bolters and one type of special weapon, you'll probably hate the kit after 2 boxes though as you will be using some of the same stuff over the army.
But with the spare bits I have left I can start on box 2 and make sure to use those parts instead so I don't get too many similar poses. All my built plague marines spread out look really cool, much more so than tactical marine kits where most guys are holding their bolters in the ready pose.
Put in the starter sets and you've got about 20-25 plague marines that are all looking unique and cool before you really have to worry about repetition across the army.
Yeah, going beyond that point I think is the problem. It's easy enough to get the Dark Imperium, the easy-to-build, and the Dark Brethren, then you add the unique Plague Champion and Standard Bearer and you've got 15 unique Plague Marines. Add the 7 from the Plague Marine box and you're at 22. Add a second box and with some extra conversion you should be able to get to 25-26 totally unique Plague Marines. That's a lot of money to spend just to make every Plague Marine unique, though, and if you ever face another Death Guard player, they'll have all the same models as you.
I'm not a fan of the whole mono-pose business. I'd rather have models that are easier to convert. I've seen some people take a hobby knife to the various Plague Marine models and do some interesting things with them, but that's a lot of extra work for something, in my opinion, should be easy to do right out of the box. Even if it's just swapping arm poses and head directions like the Primaris Intercessors, at least I can mix quite a few more to make a bunch of unique ones.
But, all we have to do is wait for the Myphtic Blighthauler. I'm pretty surprised it's not out yet. I'm tired of Death Guard and am ready for something else to get some attention.
The plague marine kit has far, far more than 7 unique plague marine options. Between alternate chests and arms there are dozens from that kit alone, plus the ten from starter & easy build. And really if you are running 30+ marines and a few of them happen to look the same as some other guy from another unit, it's pretty nitpicky to find fault in that. Look at the duplication players have to deal with from miniatures in any other company.
Edit: From looking at the sprue it seems that the backpacks are fully interchangeable, meaning there's probably over hundred unique 'sculpts' possible. The poses may be duplicated, but 'multi pose' kits are the same three-ish poses repeated anyway (sorry but I don't count a five degree difference in arm angle as a different pose).
This blog post from one of the sculptors of the new Nurgle kits might be of interest for some people. I only skimmed this thread for images, maybe it was already posted?
Interesting to see so many new names (to me anyway) attached to those designs, they've certainly expanded greatly beyond a few stable names in the last couple of years.
Clanan wrote: The wings on this one look smaller; is that just perspective? Otherwise I'd say they're more preferable to the above toddler jet wings.
Having looked on the website and seen different shots I actually like the model. As for the wings, I think it's actually a little add-on in order to prevent being sued for the mode bearing a rather closeness to the GW plague drones. Theirs have wings, they aren't drones, they are airplanes, really different~
Looking at the bits and pieces of the model, it can be built without the little wings as they are both separate attachments to the turbines, and personally I think it was designed for you to also have them removed and still have the model looking whole (and possibly better but would have to see this in practice to fully decide).
Only downside is that by removing the wings you then have to find a way to mount the little bomb and missile/gun attached to either wing (if you want them). Not a bad alternative but would have to see it all done or even in person to see if it would pass for a drone instead of a plane.
Mario wrote: This blog post from one of the sculptors of the new Nurgle kits might be of interest for some people. I only skimmed this thread for images, maybe it was already posted?
Wow no mention at all about the plague hauler. I am starting to worry this is one of those models we will never see.
BrookM wrote: Interesting to see so many new names (to me anyway) attached to those designs, they've certainly expanded greatly beyond a few stable names in the last couple of years.
There are 30 designers in the studio now. They have had that many for at least 5 years. The large number of designers working on the Deathguard is probably a combined result of the size of the release and a tight production schedule.
Mario wrote: This blog post from one of the sculptors of the new Nurgle kits might be of interest for some people. I only skimmed this thread for images, maybe it was already posted?
Wow no mention at all about the plague hauler. I am starting to worry this is one of those models we will never see.
They have specifically said that there won't be rules for units with no model. We'll see it sometime, just no telling when.
Is there a reason he had to work with so many people? Or is it just a case of no one person can do an entire range themselves that way.
It seems he was the lead sculptor and director (of the sculpting side of it) on that project so the job probably entailed more than just sculpting. It probably included some degree of project management and coordination with the other sculptors/designers/illustrators/writers. Sometimes you have to delegate and sometimes another person is better for a certain job (preferences, style, ways to work around manufacturing constraints, who knows what else). It was probably a scheduling issue. If you have one person sculpt everything then all other parts of project development kinda have to take breaks or wait for the lone sculptor to keep up. With more people (and he still did a good chunk of it or collaborated with others) things can keep going at whatever pace the combination of the involved departments allows.
Mario wrote: This blog post from one of the sculptors of the new Nurgle kits might be of interest for some people. I only skimmed this thread for images, maybe it was already posted?
Wow no mention at all about the plague hauler. I am starting to worry this is one of those models we will never see.
They have specifically said that there won't be rules for units with no model. We'll see it sometime, just no telling when.
If there's already rules, especially with descriptions, expect to see sooner rather than later when 3rd parties would have got first dip on it. They don't likely want to do that mistake again.
yeah, just checked it out...there's a little tentacle thing just above the plague probe(?)...the "mouth" area, on the main part of the DI drone, that gets in the way, so you'll have to cut that off for a couple of the different drone kit faceplates...and for all 3 of them, you may need to do a little filling, because none of them match up "exactly" - but they all "basically fit"
I recommend using the drone kit faceplate with the horns with flies attached to them, for the actual drone kit drone, because that faceplate has the worst fit on the DI drone, also because it has a toothy, open mouth where all the other faceplates have some kind of "eye" feature, if you were to use that faceplate on the DI drone, you'd have a big open hole there - I guess you could work something out of that with greenstuff or something, just saying though, that one would take the most work by far to make it work with the DI drone. - the other two faceplates from the kit work just fine with the DI drone though, provided you remove the little tentacle from the DI drone
Mario wrote: This blog post from one of the sculptors of the new Nurgle kits might be of interest for some people. I only skimmed this thread for images, maybe it was already posted?
Wow no mention at all about the plague hauler. I am starting to worry this is one of those models we will never see.
They have specifically said that there won't be rules for units with no model. We'll see it sometime, just no telling when.
If there's already rules, especially with descriptions, expect to see sooner rather than later when 3rd parties would have got first dip on it. They don't likely want to do that mistake again.
Well, that's just it. We've actually seen the model itself. It's in the codex. That would indicate something else is going on with the hauler release. Are they waiting for a bundle package? Are they waiting for Christmas? Are they adding more options to the kit and going to errata the rules? Did something happen to the mold?
I started to convert Servohaulers into WW1 light tanks yesterday to use as haulers. I'll be one short of a Tri-lobe and they won't have three tracks, but they look terribly cute next to Deathshrouds
Really strange that the lil guys have a) quite brutal weapons in the MM und RL AND more guns and melee and b) those are real MMs and RLs and not Corrupted Air Beam and Self-propelled Plague Shells or some other Nurgle-esque gun names. I'm still guessing they'll be somehow mixed wuth a demon release - maybe a big bix game featuring 40k Nurgle stuff. That'd also explain the zero options. It'd be really unusual to show the mini in the codex and not release it soon-ish, but maybe they rescheduled their 40k releases after the Primaris numbers came in? Or Necro was fast-tracked? Or the guy breaking the dwarf lord plastic mouöd struck again.
I'm still thinking that they are delaying the haulers so they can release them with repackaged versions of the characters and other items from DI. I'm guessing the lord of contaigen, Blightcaller, and (hopefully) the pox walkers will all see their own releases. Adding the hauler to that mix will ensure that more DG players have their wallets out, and will be more likely to pick up one of the other units as well. I just hope in the case of the two characters, they add a couple more options to their sprue. An alt head for each, and maybe their own fun nurgling pal! The Lord could have a manreaper option as well.
NurglesR0T wrote: However they release the Haulers, I'm hoping they are in a 3 figure box costed between Plague Marine and Plague Crawler box would great.
They're the same size as a blight drone: Dreadnought sized. You'll get them individual for £30 a pop.
I just got mine from the KS the other day, and was thinking the same thing. Just take those extra front plates from the Blight drone kit, and you're mostly there. Just gotta get the weapons from somewhere really.
I'm sorry, but I always though Multi Meltas and Missile Launchers were the LEAST popular heavy weapons options...
I assume people are using them for the - 1 to hit bubble. Since it seems like EVERY army is following this tend, might we see CC armies finally making a comeback?
Nightlord1987 wrote: I'm sorry, but I always though Multi Meltas and Missile Launchers were the LEAST popular heavy weapons options...
I assume people are using them for the - 1 to hit bubble. Since it seems like EVERY army is following this tend, might we see CC armies finally making a comeback?
Neronoxx wrote: Maybe, just maybe....
The blight haulers have an Age of Sigmar build?
That's one of the options I think are likely. Daemon engine with Fantasy variant coming with the Nurgle daemons or board game piece with seperate release.
Still wondering why it has a MM and ML instead of Nurgle-ish weapon names, though.
I will keep the second source anonymous for now (from a german forum) but he was mentioning a Codex: World Eaters among the Codex book releases until summer 2018.
These are early rumors, no date or other specifics given, but they might offer a first brief hint of what may be coming Chaos-wise in addition to the 'soon-ish' Thousand Sons Codex already mentioned by the official 40kFB page.
Warhams-77 wrote: This is the second time in the last weeks I read rumors online from reliable sources about a possible future 40k Khorne Release. Last night
Bob - War of Sigmar Disqus
Apart from what is announced 40k Khorne should be on high prio
I will keep the second source anonymous for now (from a german forum) but he was mentioning a Codex: World Eaters among the Codex book releases until summer 2018.
These are early rumors, no date or other specifics given, but they might offer a first brief hint of what may be coming Chaos-wise in addition to the 'soon-ish' Thousand Sons Codex already mentioned by the official 40kFB page.
Well with Hastings saying Angron is upcoming makes sense. He likely doesn't have like 3-4 year ahead knowledge so it's about time WE would be getting codex unless he was totally wrong and Angron is NOT coming. And his track record is pretty good.
Indeed. There also seems to be a Blood Angels vs Khorne and a Khorne Armageddon storyline waiting to be continued. And the Daemon part of Nurgle is probably not on its own, the 8th Ed Chaos Daemons codex might bring these and new Khorne models.
Now I've finally got my Plague Hauler, Blight Lords & Bloat drone it's interesting to see all are 2017 on the sprues so this really was a fast, fast release by GW standards
Why would they release Codex: World Eaters when World Eaters are in the CSM codex. They didn't do that with Thousand Sons or Death Guard. It seems like they will just be releasing Angron and possibly a new Khorne Berserkers kit (no new options) at most. Maybe a Khorne Terminators kit. But I wouldn't get my hopes up for a bunch of new stuff.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Why would they release Codex: World Eaters when World Eaters are in the CSM codex. They didn't do that with Thousand Sons or Death Guard. It seems like they will just be releasing Angron and possibly a new Khorne Berserkers kit (no new options) at most. Maybe a Khorne Terminators kit. But I wouldn't get my hopes up for a bunch of new stuff.
I'm assuming because that would place world eaters after the last index = codex as likely the first new army, while death guard and thousand sons have most/all of a coherent range and will get books before the last index to codex release.
World eaters and emperors children in the chaos marines book is likely only as a place holder until they can get their own slot/minis.
The blight hauler being easy build kind of makes sense. I mean, they really don't have a lot of moving appendages. They're just little nugget cars with mounted guns.
It would be cool if the character and unit(?) is just the lord of corruption from dark imperium with a weapon/head swap. And the unit is the plague brethren with different weapons (even if it's just not a melta gun).
The redemptor dread is really what surprises me the most, as the regular kit seems to sell out so quickly. I'd assume they'd just want to increase production on those.
The Easy-To-Build intercesors are 12€ for 3. So 4€ a piece. If you buy them in the box of 5 Intercessors, they are 5€ a piece (5 for 25€), but in the normal box of 10, they cost 40€, so they are 4€ a piece, the same as the Easy-To-Build ones.
The Redemptor and the Hauler are a little different because is the first time a Easy-To-Build exist for a kit that is only one model. So who knows. But I'm not expecting substantial discounts on them. Of course, I'll be very glad to be proved wrong.
talked to my local GW guys today and they gave me the pamphlet, looking closely im pretty sure the 3 guys behind the lord are blightlord terminators not plague marines, because they seem to have combi bolters. Also they said they couldnt tell me when they'd be out exactly but they did say definitely before christmas!
The Easy-To-Build intercesors are 12€ for 3. So 4€ a piece. If you buy them in the box of 5 Intercessors, they are 5€ a piece (5 for 25€), but in the normal box of 10, they cost 40€, so they are 4€ a piece, the same as the Easy-To-Build ones.
The Redemptor and the Hauler are a little different because is the first time a Easy-To-Build exist for a kit that is only one model. So who knows. But I'm not expecting substantial discounts on them. Of course, I'll be very glad to be proved wrong.
Same here. I'm pretty sure that GW is testing the water with these and theyll price them at nearly the same price of a similar ''normal '' kit. If it sells well, GW probably will probably release more and more ETB, and less ''normal'' kits, cause they are probably a lot more profitable (less options means less sprues)
I bought one of the first four Easy to Build because at the end of the day they where 3 more Plague marine sculpts, 6 more Poxwalker Sculpts, and 3 and 3 Primaris sculpts. With this probably I'll do the same.
Maybe not the redemptor because as it is a vehicle, the variety in sculpts isn't as important and the actual redemptor kit is very nice and customizable. So I'm waiting for the price point to know if it is worth it.
The normal is 55€. If this one is 40 or less, then I'll buy one.
maxdy746 wrote: talked to my local GW guys today and they gave me the pamphlet, looking closely im pretty sure the 3 guys behind the lord are blightlord terminators not plague marines, because they seem to have combi bolters. Also they said they couldnt tell me when they'd be out exactly but they did say definitely before christmas!
Yeah you're right, and they have the Cataphactii arches over their heads too
@maxdy746: THX also from me. Then they should show up in the next weeks. I´m also curios if this are new minis or just streamlined versions from the multikit.
Anyone with access to the Codex know if Land Raiders and Rhino's are something the Death Guard have access to, or do they have their own specific transport vehicles now?
How many Land Raiders would it be worth getting for a regular army for most games? Not sure what points value people play these days for their games on the regular, and have no idea how many Land Raiders it's worth taking any more.
Fenriswulf wrote: Anyone with access to the Codex know if Land Raiders and Rhino's are something the Death Guard have access to, or do they have their own specific transport vehicles now?
Land Raiders are about 115 points more than they used to be. But I think they have a good amount of firepower, make a great fire magnet, and will cut down on the number of drops when you stick a unit or 2 inside.
maxdy746 wrote: talked to my local GW guys today and they gave me the pamphlet, looking closely im pretty sure the 3 guys behind the lord are blightlord terminators not plague marines, because they seem to have combi bolters. Also they said they couldnt tell me when they'd be out exactly but they did say definitely before christmas!
Yeah you're right, and they have the Cataphactii arches over their heads too
While you're probably right about them actually being Termies, I will note that some of the regular Plague Marines do have those arches over their heads as well. The banner bearer and the guy running with the grenade out (both use the same basic sculpt) both have a similar "hood" thing over their heads. But year, you're probably right. Now I'm disappointed in this set. I was really hoping for some regular Plague Marines.
With how lacking are the normal Bligthlord terminators in poses and customization, I'll prefer 10 times more if they are 3 new sculpts and poses for Blightlords than more Plague Marines.
I feel pretty confident that they're Blightlords. The one on the far left has a Storm Bolter and Bubotic Axe that look just like the ones from the Blightlord kit.
I was a big fan of suicide drop termies in 7th and nearly cried when they bumped them to 5 minimum.
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I'd be very pleased if these guys get the same. A poor man's Deathshroud would be sweet.
I was a big fan of suicide drop termies in 7th and nearly cried when they bumped them to 5 minimum.
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I'd be very pleased if these guys get the same. A poor man's Deathshroud would be sweet.
Yes, the Plague Brethren come with a dataslate to use them out of the box as a 3-man squad. The EZ Build kits also all come with datalsates to use the box with however many guys it includes, like the 3-man Primaris and Plague Marine squads. I would expect the new boxes to work the same way.
There's 4 terminators on the box cover, Theres the Lord guy, 2 guys with a combi bolter and axe, and the guy on the far right has a plague spitter from what I can see
Kharne the Befriender wrote: There's 4 terminators on the box cover, Theres the Lord guy, 2 guys with a combi bolter and axe, and the guy on the far right has a plague spitter from what I can see
Maybe it's actually a 5 man box?
It’ll most likely be a box of 3 termites and the lord. Seeing as a lot of the other EZ build boxes are boxes of 3, I’m assuming that’ll be how it continues
Kharne the Befriender wrote: There's 4 terminators on the box cover, Theres the Lord guy, 2 guys with a combi bolter and axe, and the guy on the far right has a plague spitter from what I can see
Maybe it's actually a 5 man box?
This would be fantastic if they come with axes. A cheap way to get axes (maybe to even kitbash them onto plague marines?)
As I'm planning to have a list with 2 units of Blightlords, this EZ build box would be a great way to have some more variety in the unit (hoping these guys are different sculpts!)
I'm itching to see what the new lord looks like. Reckon we'll get some previews next week/ the week after? I'm not sure whether they'd show these new EZ build kits off before or after the Angels of Death codex releases
i might buy 2, i have a spare LOC so this will give me options for term lords/deathshroud and a 6 terms with decent loadouts(ill kitbash 1 heavy weapon to a reaper!
all way cheaper than buying the actual boxes!
I cant lie i really like the look of these guys more than the actual box kit(yes i love the lords face as well)!
I'm pretty sure it's not actually his face. If you look, it looks like some kind of half mask with a metallic round bit where the mouth is, making it look like a comedy grin. I might be wrong but I think the lighting and bad quality is giving the wrong impession
And I wasn't going to buy the Blightlords kit (too much mono pose for the price, some okay-ish sculpts, compared to the glorious Deathshroud), but this Tainted cohort is 100% win for me !
Plenty to work with here, but that Lord head has to go. But with the release date of 23rd December be wary of ordering if you want them for Christmas, I doubt they will reach you in time.
All of those models look cool, except for the lord imo. Maybe it's just the weirdo face but he's not appealing to me. I really hope it's seperate enough to swap out for something better
wow these are really great IMHO - need to be painted maybe a bit less clean and more rusty/grimy (again IMHO) I kinda like even the wierdo face - maybe better if painted a little differently (maybe a more rotten greenish skin would work better)
I continue to be amazed at how much is getting released for DG - I expect this is about the end of it though?
What is it the lord has in his hand? I wouldn't be surprised to see a dataslate for this tainted group just like for Plague Brethren. It'd probably explain the bare hand on that one termi.
The Hauler is nice but I went to a different direction with my guard (melee and grenade drones will use different models) and I am gathering bits to convert the only Hauler I need to buy.
Also, since GW decided to give the hauler a "the more you have the better they are" rule, this means that as a reprisal zero models will be bought. Said this, is good.
The termies are kinda nice, I love 2 of them, but one of the these two is still difficult to trim. Is another example of unrestrained design. The third is just a mess. Price is good.
Very cute nurglins, as always. I don't use them on the models because I look for a different tone for the army, but I put them on different bases to be used a s markers, CPs and so on.
The lord is ridiculous. Too OOT. Is like a Gonk character is mangas. The other Lord of Contagion is perfect, this guy is just ugly and they went too far with the spikes/fungus (as always) and the ooze (that should be left for converters, not as a basis for a model).
I am enjoying the building of my DG and It will go for a long time but this time I think I will pass.
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Nightlord1987 wrote: I wanna like the Blight Hauler... But Multi Meltas are just terrible. Would rather have 2 shots than the longer range.
I plan to convert one just because I want to eventually try to use it with foot slogging marines. But is not the best loadout combination, they really shot themselves on the foot and this lack of options is really irking me (thankfully my favourite units, Termies and Plagues are full of options).
What interests me the most on the termies is the 3 man min unit of Blights. Looks like the Lord has a Shooty grenade weapon now. Too bad I converted my LOC to have a manreaper already, and my termies have combi plasmas. I would like to field 3 instead of 5. Can't wait to see the rules for them.
What is with GW and their stupid smiles? I hated a lot of Age of Sigmar pictures because of the beasts with stupid smiles, now they are coming to 40K minis now? Ack. Makes me not want to buy this mini now. :(
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