puma713 wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:


Also, DG no longer use flamers apparently, having moved entirely over to plague spewing weapons to replace them.

That's right. Flames cleanse plague and filth away. We can't have that.

Also, Fire is a Tzeentch motif. Why would you use your rival's motif?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Yeah I'm all for all this Plague stuff. The only thing I'm a little iffy on is plasma and fist being the only things you can put on the champion. I'd of liked to give him a Blight Launcher or one of those cleavers

Champions/sergeants etc dont usually get access to heavy/'special' weapons (melta/plasma guns missle launchers etc), of which the blight launcher could be seen to be. That's a good thing. Theyre leading a unit and utilizing their cc effectiveness

Im just hoping we get a points drop for Pox Walkers.

6pt for a poxie or 7pts for a T5 5++ 5+++ Plaguebearer...

Plaguebearers are T4 and 8pts/model. They also don't add models every time they kill infantry.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Plaguebearers are T4 and 8pts/model. They also don't add models every time they kill infantry.

They've been made cheaper by a point in the Chaos book.

I'm willing to bet Pox Walkers are going to be cheaper, at least made 5pts per model, unless they receive some significant buffs. I think they should be toughness 4 without needing Typhus' buff, as they're humans made tougher through disease, and they should always hit on 4's, rather than going down to 5's when they're 10 or less men strong. Typhus should just up their strength, and shouldn't be depended upon to make them worth it. Surely they should also get the Plague Weapon rule, as they're attacking you with rusted, festering weapons and coiling tentacles of filth.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Plaguebearers are T4 and 8pts/model. They also don't add models every time they kill infantry.

They've been made cheaper by a point in the Chaos book.

I'm willing to bet Pox Walkers are going to be cheaper, at least made 5pts per model, unless they receive some significant buffs. I think they should be toughness 4 without needing Typhus' buff, as they're humans made tougher through disease, and they should always hit on 4's, rather than going down to 5's when they're 10 or less men strong. Typhus should just up their strength, and shouldn't be depended upon to make them worth it. Surely they should also get the Plague Weapon rule, as they're attacking you with rusted, festering weapons and coiling tentacles of filth.

That argument could be made for their 'weapons' though they weren't intentionally designed that way such as actual plague weapons

Cross posting new point costs for plague weapons (10 and 19 for new flamers if anyone forgot)

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Oh, my bad, misunderstood.
B axe 6, flail 10, great plague cleaver 15, mace Lucky Number 7

At 10 the flail seems the obvious choice, d3 attacks, 2 damage per hit which carries over. Cheaper than axe and mace which only gets you two attacks. Axe and knife is the budget option (assuming plague knives are still 0), and pretty decent, two attacks with a slightly better power axe isn't too shabby.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Yeah I'm all for all this Plague stuff. The only thing I'm a little iffy on is plasma and fist being the only things you can put on the champion. I'd of liked to give him a Blight Launcher or one of those cleavers

Champions/sergeants etc dont usually get access to heavy/'special' weapons (melta/plasma guns missle launchers etc), of which the blight launcher could be seen to be. That's a good thing. Theyre leading a unit and utilizing their cc effectiveness

But... the plague marine sarge already does, a plasma gun. It's odd he only has access to plasma now (no combos no plague spewed/belcher or blight launcher).

Wow, I was expecting something like 20 points for the flail. 10pts?! Really? That's a steal!

I'm not at all complaining, that's glorious. My unit calculation just went down by 20pts

185pts for a unit of 7 with a power fist, 2 flails and 2 belchers. Hell yeah.
Swap the belchers for Blight Launchers for only 8pts more seems pretty mean too.

That actually seems quite affordable and effective

Yeah, I think two flails, two blight launchers will be my default unless the DG codex has even more options (c'mon blight launcher sarge!). D3 attacks is a bit random, but that's still 2-6 wounds potentially, and with spill over that's enough two on a unit represent a big deterrent, 3 meq or 5 geq dead on average. Makes for a good objective grabber that can contribute ranged fire and still be scary if something tries to charge them.

What I'm less sure of is how they work as a dedicated melee unit. Axe and knife or double knife seems the way to go for the non flail guys (mace looks lackluster). It's like a more expensive melee chosen unit, but tougher and with a slightly better loadout.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wow, I was expecting something like 20 points for the flail. 10pts?! Really? That's a steal!

I'm not at all complaining, that's glorious. My unit calculation just went down by 20pts

185pts for a unit of 7 with a power fist, 2 flails and 2 belchers. Hell yeah.
Swap the belchers for Blight Launchers for only 8pts more seems pretty mean too.

That actually seems quite affordable and effective

Just from speculation, seems Plague Marine rhino rush may be in business.

combined with the blightbringer they can reroll the advance die and rush forward
with 2 cleaver and a fist you can even kill most tanks easy in melee

Sorry, I derped on the Plaguebearers.

I flicked to the Herald in the Index!

But yeh, they don't add models to the unit. Neither do Poxwalkers, unless you run 10+ with Typhus. A huge points sink.
(Ie, they don't kill marines)

DP with Wings and Plague Bearers is the way to go. Especially against Dark Eldar and Tau.
DE with Poison weapons always wound on a fixed number regardless of T and Tau basic weapon str 5.
I'd rather the 5++ and T4 base for 1pt extra.

But we shall see

I'm just hoping we have more competitive options rather than just spamming Brimstones. Which have been upped to 3pts each.

 puma713 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wow, I was expecting something like 20 points for the flail. 10pts?! Really? That's a steal!

I'm not at all complaining, that's glorious. My unit calculation just went down by 20pts

185pts for a unit of 7 with a power fist, 2 flails and 2 belchers. Hell yeah.
Swap the belchers for Blight Launchers for only 8pts more seems pretty mean too.

That actually seems quite affordable and effective

Just from speculation, seems Plague Marine rhino rush may be in business.

I guess the question is of they are more effective than berzerkers (or at least as effective)?

I mean, no obviously not. A plague marine with axe and knife runs at 1.5 a zerkers cost and has two attacks vs the 6 a zerkers has per phase, the only difference being two AP on the axe and slightly better chance to wound. If you go with double knives you at least are tougher for your points but even less powerful in melee. The two flails help but that's two per unit, and even those pay more to do compareable damage to a zerker.

Love that we're getting a wider array of weapons - although I'd have preferred Blight Launchers to stay at 2dmg a shot rather than D3.

The wait is killing me. Hopefully pre-orders are up before the end of the month

SilverAlien wrote:
Yeah, I think two flails, two blight launchers will be my default unless the DG codex has even more options (c'mon blight launcher sarge!). D3 attacks is a bit random, but that's still 2-6 wounds potentially, and with spill over that's enough two on a unit represent a big deterrent, 3 meq or 5 geq dead on average. Makes for a good objective grabber that can contribute ranged fire and still be scary if something tries to charge them.

What I'm less sure of is how they work as a dedicated melee unit. Axe and knife or double knife seems the way to go for the non flail guys (mace looks lackluster). It's like a more expensive melee chosen unit, but tougher and with a slightly better loadout.

That's what I'm thinking too, @SilverAlien. With new 40K DG I've now mapped out my future project with the 14th Legion: a Dusk Raiders army (relying heavily on Shapeways), my Heresy army led by either Mortarion or Typhon (got this covered already--but who knows what wonderful toys they'll put out), and just post-Siege of Terra/ Fall to Nurgle...so new 40K stuff and new demon primarch Mortarion.

Also, weird question, where were blight launchers 2 damage? They are d3 in my index.

SilverAlien wrote:
Yeah, I think two flails, two blight launchers will be my default unless the DG codex has even more options (c'mon blight launcher sarge!). D3 attacks is a bit random, but that's still 2-6 wounds potentially, and with spill over that's enough two on a unit represent a big deterrent, 3 meq or 5 geq dead on average. Makes for a good objective grabber that can contribute ranged fire and still be scary if something tries to charge them.

What I'm less sure of is how they work as a dedicated melee unit. Axe and knife or double knife seems the way to go for the non flail guys (mace looks lackluster). It's like a more expensive melee chosen unit, but tougher and with a slightly better loadout.

Yeah, I'm not too sure a dedicated melee unit would work either, they seem better as all-rounder support. As a dedicated melee unit, you could try going all axes and 2 flails and a fist, looking at 189pts, getting 2 fist attacks, 2d3 flail attacks and 8 axe attacks.

On average, the fist will kill someone, the flails will kill 3-5, and the axes will kill another 2-5 (depending on facing Meq or Geq).

So, I guess that's pretty good, as we have toughness going for us as well, but is it enough toughness for such a small number of guys trying to get into melee? We're still paying a lot for just 7 models, while melee armies like Tyranids spam their melee and run much faster than us, without the need of paying for transports. I'd also love to footslog, as it's fluffy, but that's putting them in the open.

Maybe though, moving that unit up with a big block of pox walkers would be good, because people always for some reason fear the pox walkers. Good distraction for the real melee dudes who'll definitely kill something if they live


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SilverAlien wrote:
Also, weird question, where were blight launchers 2 damage? They are d3 in my index.

That's so weird, I could've sworn they were 2dmg haha. Maybe it's in the DI DG army booklet

EDIT: Not DI book, cos they didn't have them there. I meant the box the 3 dudes come in with it and the stat card. But, it's D3 dmg on there too, so I have no idea where I got 2dmg from haha

Huh, that's odd because I've seen multiple people, some on a different forum, say the 2 dmg thing. Maybe people just repeated two average damage so much they forgot it was a d3?

Yeah must be. Well, at least it wasn't nurfed

Milkshaker wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wow, I was expecting something like 20 points for the flail. 10pts?! Really? That's a steal!

I'm not at all complaining, that's glorious. My unit calculation just went down by 20pts

185pts for a unit of 7 with a power fist, 2 flails and 2 belchers. Hell yeah.
Swap the belchers for Blight Launchers for only 8pts more seems pretty mean too.

That actually seems quite affordable and effective

Just from speculation, seems Plague Marine rhino rush may be in business.

I guess the question is of they are more effective than berzerkers (or at least as effective)?

Well, we're talking about Death Guard, not vanilla chaos.

Hopefully Death Guard will get a strategem like Salamanders have that give all plague weapons +1 damage. That will make those flails even better and help clear hordes.

MrGiuseppe wrote:
Hopefully Death Guard will get a strategem like Salamanders have that give all plague weapons +1 damage. That will make those flails even better and help clear hordes.

Interesting, or maybe +1 attack or to-wound.

I wonder if we'll get a stratagem for pox walkers called something like, "The dead will rise," (best name, 10/10) where we can set up a unit of pox walkers outside of 9" of an enemy, where "the bodies of the battlefield rise again," essentially giving them deepstrike. That would be really useful, because you could throw down a big distraction at the start of the game, to give your other units time to get into good positions

I'd say we already have Nurglings for that, but more options are always good. Still not sold on the new PMs being better than Possessed or Spawn. But I'll simply use all three together, somebody will reach the enemy ;-).

 Tiberius501 wrote:

MrGiuseppe wrote:
Hopefully Death Guard will get a strategem like Salamanders have that give all plague weapons +1 damage. That will make those flails even better and help clear hordes.

Interesting, or maybe +1 attack or to-wound.

I wonder if we'll get a stratagem for pox walkers called something like, "The dead will rise," (best name, 10/10) where we can set up a unit of pox walkers outside of 9" of an enemy, where "the bodies of the battlefield rise again," essentially giving them deepstrike. That would be really useful, because you could throw down a big distraction at the start of the game, to give your other units time to get into good positions

Oh that'd be wonderful. Anything to help poxwalkers get around the field better. So many stratagems that I hope we get.

I'm still curious what our chapter tactic will be. Won't be DR across the army as that's baked in to the units, and grey knights showed you get something in top of that. I am a bit disappointed we probably won't be getting multiple vectors/warbands with unique chapter tactics if it follows the grey knight pattern.

Well, I'm not too sure how they work, but I'm pretty sure they don't have multiple chapters of Grey Knights (correct me if I'm wrong). Whereas they've made a thing of Vectors and how each one has a different way of fighting in the DI booklet. While I don't think it's a definite, it's still a possibility that we'll get Vector tactics.

I hopelessly have my hopes up for it anyway haha

For me the winner here is a squad with fist, 2 flails, & belchers. Being able to advance and shoot 9" with the 'flamer' is more useful to me than the +1S & AP of the spewer. Then again, the blight launcher is also really good at assault 2 S6 Dd3. So, not much to go wrong with here IMO.

What about the following?

5 Possessed <Nurgle>
5 Plague Marines
- Champ with plasma/fist/sword
- 2 x spewers/belchers/launchers/plasmas (personal flavour)
- 2 x flails
Rhino w/combi melta

Sure, it comes in at around 350 points but I think I like the combo. One drop re: deployment. So, more chance of 1st turn too.

If DG Possessed get DR then that's a nasty tag team right there. There's no reason to assume we won't get Vets of the Long War as a stratagem either, since DG have been in it since day one too, +1 to wound re-rolling 1s on plague weapons is sick. Summon in a Nurgle Herald for Virulent Blessing & the Possessed will be wounding pretty much anything T2-T5 on 2+ & T7 on a 4+, we're sure to have Miasma of Pestilence too so that on them from a Plaguecaster is great too. -1 to hit never hurt...

Also, VoTLW on flails & maces, as well as belchers and spewers makes them great too. +1 to wound means belchers wounding T4 on 3+ & T3 on 2+ with 1s re-rolled. Flails & maces would be hard pushed to not be wounding most infantry based enemies on a 2+ (Rhino eqs @T7 on a 4+ re-rolling 1s)... I'm hoping to hell GW don't derp & we get that stratagem!

On foot I'd be temped to go with;

7 Plague Marines
- Champ with plasma/fist/sword
- 2 x launchers
- 2 x flails
- 2 bolters

If you're going to take axes then Possessed are a better choice IMO as they're D3 S5 2AP base, faster, and easy-ish to get them to S6+ too.

I'm slightly concerned that we won't be able to use any units from the Chaos Codex. So that awesome possessed unit may not be a thing. But I sure hope it is, because that would be quite glorious.

And VoTLW would be great, and I think you're right about us getting it. +1 to wound would be nasty and glorious

I think the overwhelming majority of the units we had access to in the index will be ported over into the DG Codex directly - perhaps the generic Chaos Lord will get removed along with the vanilla Sorcerer etc, but I'd be surprised to see Possessed removed if there isn't a direct equivalent being introduced.

Yeah, I'd be absolutely gutted if Possessed got removed, I converted 10 Gal Vorbak into Nurgle Possessed. Without the universal units (Possessed, Predators, Helbrutes, Spawn, etc) we would be at a low codex count (providing the Nurgle Vindicator thing is the only new unit we 'haven't seen' yet).

I'm pretty sure they said in one of their articles that possessed are getting buffed.

Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

Another possibility could be that possessed get +1W, T5 and DR for an increased point cost to make them even to our PMs.

After playing Helbrutes and the Drone on the weekend I'm really excited if they'll give DR to our vehicles as well (like seen on warhammer TV). It makes them so much more resilient really, the Drone is a real beast to bring down already.

Well I'd totally love for possessed to come over to our book, I'm just a bit skeptical with this sort of thing. I'm sure I'll be pleasently surspised though.

I'm going to assume the new Plague Crawler tank will have DR, and I'd really love for my Contemptor to have it too.

T5, DR possessed would be amazing, but they would totally require an upped point cost, most likely costing more than the PM's with axes.

But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

 Tiberius501 wrote:


But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

HQ:
Mortarion
Typhus
Lord of Contagion
Plaguecaster
Exalted Plague Champion?!

Troops:
Cultists
Poxwalkers
Plague marines

Elite:
Blightbringer
Helbrute
Terminators
Possessed

Fast attack:
Spawn
Drone
(there's room for more here... but we're Death Guard )

Support:
Predator
Plaguecrawler
Deffi

Since the CSM codex has all the Daemon troops in it I wouldn't be surprised at all if all Nurgle Daemons would make it into our codex! The lists in the rulebook which show combined forces of DG and daemons as well as the artwork with Mortarion make it quite plausible to me.

Also notice no replacement for Chosen/Havocs. After we've seen the weapon choices for PMs I simply don't think they'll release an additional set of plague marines to fill our special/heavy weapons out. After all, the DG was fluffwise all about every marine can do anything - which our PMs seem to be able to do.

Do we know if Death Guard will get cult chosen? I have a whole bunch of paint FW DG already & want to use the new DG as chosen due to their bigger size & detail.

I'm expecting news of the Death Guard Codex near the end of this week or next.

Here's hoping that it *IS* the next Dex to be released.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:


But I'm not sure, would DR be our "legion tactic"? "All Infantry and hellbrutes gain DR and T5 if they have the Death Guard legion Keyword"? But then, that would give us basically the best legion tactic of all time haha. Or would it just be on all of our entries, and they'll all be named "Death Guard [name of unit]" and be higher in point cost, with something else as our special rules?

I'm quite interested in how our rules and units will work.

Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

HQ:
Mortarion
Typhus
Lord of Contagion
Plaguecaster
Exalted Plague Champion?!

Troops:
Cultists
Poxwalkers
Plague marines

Elite:
Blightbringer
Helbrute
Terminators
Possessed

Fast attack:
Spawn
Drone
(there's room for more here... but we're Death Guard )

Support:
Predator
Plaguecrawler
Deffi

Since the CSM codex has all the Daemon troops in it I wouldn't be surprised at all if all Nurgle Daemons would make it into our codex! The lists in the rulebook which show combined forces of DG and daemons as well as the artwork with Mortarion make it quite plausible to me.

Also notice no replacement for Chosen/Havocs. After we've seen the weapon choices for PMs I simply don't think they'll release an additional set of plague marines to fill our special/heavy weapons out. After all, the DG was fluffwise all about every marine can do anything - which our PMs seem to be able to do.

I think Mortarion will be a lord of war like Gulliman.

God I'm excited to see what Mortarion looks like and what he can do

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

The DG have ranged weapons (boltguns)and access to flamers, blight launchers, plasma etc. They also have plague weapons and we dont know whether nurgle possessed will yet. They may also have certain other rules such as not being able to claim objectives or get -2 to hit when standing in cover etc. DG are still viable, its just that possessed will be hitting harder in cc. Also remember that some units (banshees, daemonettes) will be striking first in cc and in these instances id rather have DG to shoot some up rather than go toe to toe with them

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, Possessed are getting +1W in the CSM codex.
So for 22Pts you could get a unit with S5, T4, 2w, 3+/5++ and possibly DR (in DG codex).
I'm not sure how CC-Plague Marines can compete with that, as the new weapons cost them additional points so you'll have a PM with Axe for 25points, still only 1-2 attacks and 1 wound.

The DG have ranged weapons (boltguns)and access to flamers, blight launchers, plasma etc. They also have plague weapons and we dont know whether nurgle possessed will yet. They may also have certain other rules such as not being able to claim objectives or get -2 to hit when standing in cover etc. DG are still viable, its just that possessed will be hitting harder in cc. Also remember that some units (banshees, daemonettes) will be striking first in cc and in these instances id rather have DG to shoot some up rather than go toe to toe with them

I don't doubt their viability concerning what they've done since the beginning of 8th: sitting on an objective and firing blight launchers or plasmas. I was referring to their new CC-weapons, though. They now have a load of weapons - but will those be useful when we can simply take Possessed with two wounds and the same damage output? We'll have to see. I hope there'll be some stratagems or HQs to make plague weapons better. Re-rolling 1s to wound so far doesn't impress me on their 1 attack.

I just want to see some new Nurgle Daemon models.
I want to believe a new Great Unclean One is coming.

I expect a new GUO with the Daemons codex, he'll be better than the index version and probably similar to the Glotkin in size. Also, fwiw Beasts of Nurgle will get a new model as we've had teasers of something nurgley for months now. The other models are good/great imo and hold up really well against other more recent models.

I'd be okay with Possessed paying for DR or even not having it (or only having access to it via a stratagem) despite that not making sense, just don't remove them as an option damn you GW!

I think whilst the Possessed sheer close combat output betters melee Plague Marines (aside from the flail which 1:1 is hands down better than D3 S5 AP2 D1), you have to remember that the PMs get ranged options, 9" on both 'flamers' is good and the the ability to hit the opponent with that then either charge or overwatch is quite nice. A plasma gun and a powerfist too gives further utility. While PMs won't be a melee beatstick they will do a lot of the 24-0" stuff really well, lack of attacks is worrying but re-rolling 1s is a carrot at least. Plus T5 with 3+ & DR is nothing to sneeze at for resiliance, especially if you can get a Plaguecaster to cast a cheeky -1 to hit.

Possessed with DR may well be too good, but we'll leave that to the games designers and wait with baited breath. I think that sentence is the only time in my life were 'possessed' and 'too good' has been in the same conversation!

What I'm milling over in my head now is this... [i]If I take poxwalkers (80 @ 4 x 20) and am paying for 2 Blightbringers is it cheaper (and better) to run Plague Marines on foot and advance them using his ability or should I go for Rhinos too? More bodies or Rhinos for speed and security? I'm really not sure which...

I think Plague Marines are more about all-round support. They aren't particularly beastly at ranged or melee, but they can do either and help out whoever they need to. They're our jack-of-all-trades unit, like they should be, comparing them to the fluff. I like it, and it makes sense. And if they back each other up, their effectiveness stacks pretty quickly.

I'm expecting poxwalkers to get bigger unit sizes, maybe up to 30-40. If even Plague Marines can now be taken in blocks of 20, I can't see poxwalkers staying at 20 max. Also, going by their rule of getting +1 to their to-hit rolls if they're above 10 models leads me to believe that, if they're above 20 models, they'll get +2. That would make them good and worth taking big groups of them too.

I could see a couple of Blightbringers allowing your lines to advance more reliably being a cheap way of marching the men up the board, but I can also see everyone getting cut down still without the METAL MAWXES! protecting them, but maybe a nice horde of pox walkers will scare the enemy into putting most of their fire into them while your marines march up unaffected. It's what I plan on doing

If/when a new GUO does appear I wonder if it will be possible to make Ku'Gath out of it.
I'm going to probably say no and he will be a different kit like Skarbrand.
The amount of extra pieces would be just too high.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, exactly my thoughts. I think we can assume that the unit entries from the index will make it to our codex bar the ones that didn't make it to the CSM codex (i.e. palanquins, which is sad, really). I'd also think we might lose sorcerers and lords as we have our own versions, same with apostle. Not sure about warpsmith.
So what would our list consist of?

Losing access to generic HQs would really hurt, basically takes away all the decent aura abilities. It's another thing I'm worried about.

I think terminators are effectively going to be our chosen/havoc replacement, I'm hoping they have a lot of customization. I know that's more than likely to not be the case, but the sheer variety of options the new PM have makes me feel better about the chances.

I really like the new melee options for plagues, maybe we could even get a new ranged option that every PM in a unit and not only 2 can take (something like a "plague bolter"). I feel like the only problem PMs have is that they still dont feel as resilent as they should feel, although you can blame that on 8th i guess. It would be lovely to have 2W plague marines, but i feel like this would be a bit too much (especially because DG Terminators would have to have 3W, which would be ridiculous ). I also noticed that the DG list lacks hard hitting weapons and heavy Support, would like to see a bit more dakka in the DG codex.

 dan2026 wrote:
If/when a new GUO does appear I wonder if it will be possible to make Ku'Gath out of it.
I'm going to probably say no and he will be a different kit like Skarbrand.
The amount of extra pieces would be just too high.

I don't have it in front of me, but was Ku'gath in the Chaos index? For some reason I thought he wasn't. I'm hoping that when they get new kits, there will be a few builds for the GUO, much like the blood thirster. I also hope we finally get a Character KoS (other then Zara from forgeworld).

What do you think the chances are of getting a Lord of Contagion kit, which has a bunch of new weapons options. I feel like he, and the Pox/Bell/Dude will have more buildouts in the actual codex. A plastic Palaquin kit would also make sense, with the option for a DG lord, or Epidimius/generic herald.

I'm also really pumped about the new weapon options for PMs! I have a LOT of the old plastic ones, which I will be converting like mad, once the codex is in hand!

So regarding 'Plague Havocs', it could that they're a separate unit from Plague marines. Like how some vehicles or infantry kits are. That would explain why there were no heavy options for Plague Marines

expecting the actual leaks from this to start annnny daaay nowwww

 gigasnail wrote:
expecting the actual leaks from this to start annnny daaay nowwww

You're in the wrong thread then, since Death Guard isn't even up for preorder yet.

You want the CSM thread.

/shrug they're on deck next as far as anyone knows. i was hoping for leaks today, pre-order this week, pick up next week. pre-order next week as worst case.

but, hey. hope, road, disappointment, etc.

 gigasnail wrote:
/shrug they're on deck next as far as anyone knows. i was hoping for leaks today, pre-order this week, pick up next week. pre-order next week as worst case.

but, hey. hope, road, disappointment, etc.

We already know what's for preorder this week. We also know that the General's Handbook is being released this month. Realistically I wouldn't expect to see the Death Guard go on preorder until the 26th for release on September 2nd.

I'd say 19th coming out on the 26th. My guess is the genreal handbook and cards are this week.

What would be nice is if GW put up some kind of date teaser for when we expect to see some info.

*prayers to Nurgle*

Hopefully next week for previews, but no, it won't be DG preorders on the 19th as the General's Handbook is not out this week. I expect that will take next wek up and Nurgle will follow the week after, preorders on the 26th

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'd say 19th coming out on the 26th. My guess is the genreal handbook and cards are this week.

Bell of Lost Souls confirms what GW has already told us was going on preorder. The General's Handbook is not on preorder this week

We already know any cc oriented DG will not be viable, so there isn't much direct comparison to possessed. No unit that moves 5" and has 2a with weak cc weapons is useful. This edition is even more shooting focused so I don't see how you'd use anything other than the shooting variant.

The problem CC Death Guard have is...well...speed.

That and they're not berserkers.

They've never really been a CC unit. They've always been good at objective sitting and being an anvil for a hammer to charge but that's it.

I do not like this new determination to shove CC builds in our face or to try and get us to buy their new kit for whatever new weapon they've produced. End of the day I'm honestly unimpressed.

And probably looking at running my DG at Alpha Legion or IW successors if we get shafted over.

I would have liked to see more ranged rather than melee options for plague marines as well, but as long as we can take some of the new melee weapons for the DG Terminators its ok for me.
2 Attacks with theses flails and great cleavers could be devestating. I think what normal plagues need is either the option for more than 2 models per unit to take "special" weapons or more resilence. Or both

By way of helterskelter over on B&C: first clear short of Morty

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/6fiuF

Good model, paint job leaves a bit to be desired but if you can ignore that solid model imo.

It's alright.

I really like the model, but the paint scheme leaves much to be desired.

Agreed - model is good, paint job is garish

I'm not sure I'll be able to paint that model up in the same color scheme I've been using (varying shades of grey and off white with green and brown stains). It's got so much detail to it, and I'm not sure what I'd do with those wings.

Meh, it's alright I suppose. Not as much of a "omfgbbq must have" as I hoped, which I guess is good for my wallet

The paint scheme does feel a little Slaaneshi, and the pose isn't very dynamic; compare it to Magnus' regal, Lord Darkness look. But it's not horrible. I was originally thinking that I wanted Mortarion to be skeletally thin, to contrast with the rest of the legion and play up his Grim Reaper aspect, but that probably would have been too similar to the Nightbringer.

Kinda glad I've dropped the idea of going Death Guard. I think the model is a bit "meh", but I'd like to see a MUCH better paintjob before I pass judgment completely. Waaaaay too much detail, but if most of it can be clipped/removed...could be something worthwhile under all that silliness.

I will say though, out of the Primarchs we've seen...only Magnus hasn't been a trainwreck of a miniature. That saddens me as it doesn't bode well for future models.

Am I the only one who really likes it? The wings and face mask are particularly excellent. The paint job looks like it is the army painters one and not eavy metal.
I also like the general bulkiness of it. The old skeletal mini was far too much of a cliché. I will wait to see better pics and alternative paint schemes but so far I think this is my favourite of the plastic primarchs released so far.

He looks great, I can't wait to see the rest of this White Dwarf

Oh man im just in the starting process of my Nids and SW but the urge to run Death Guard as my 3rd army got harder to resist.. Anyone wanna buy a kidney? I only need one anyway

Chikout wrote:
Am I the only one who really likes it? The wings and face mask are particularly excellent. The paint job looks like it is the army painters one and not eavy metal.
I also like the general bulkiness of it. The old skeletal mini was far too much of a cliché. I will wait to see better pics and alternative paint schemes but so far I think this is my favourite of the plastic primarchs released so far.

I like the overall model and am very glad they kept him mostly human looking. That was a big worry of mine.

I think it is a bit busy as far as details go, but that's my only complain with the model and it's a bit of s nitpick. I suppose I was just expecting something closer to the amazing Horus Hersey model.

I like him but i'm not terribly keen on the wings as is

(although if you gave him a second pair like the AoS plague drone I think it would look better even though it won't fit the official descriptions of him)

Some bulky... things in the top left

SilverAlien wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Am I the only one who really likes it? The wings and face mask are particularly excellent. The paint job looks like it is the army painters one and not eavy metal.
I also like the general bulkiness of it. The old skeletal mini was far too much of a cliché. I will wait to see better pics and alternative paint schemes but so far I think this is my favourite of the plastic primarchs released so far.

I like the overall model and am very glad they kept him mostly human looking. That was a big worry of mine.

He's definitely still recognizably a Space Marine, whereas Magnus has almost nothing Marine left about him. Interesting contrast.


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Warhams-77 wrote:
Some bulky... things in the top left

Death Guard termies?

Not sure I like him. The model pose feels oddly similar to the Celestant Prime, with the upward wings, downward arms, as if they used the same base model... It's detailed and cool, but... oddily similar to that other model...

Warhams-77 wrote:
Some bulky... things in the top left

They look like Raptors

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Some bulky... things in the top left

They look like Raptors

They do indeed

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Some bulky... things in the top left

They look like Raptors

They do indeed

Actually, theyre the primaris jump guys on closer inspectiom. curved stands and assault white cross on pack. Foetid drone is in center.

Was looking forward t more new stuff. Ae we just gettiny Morty, terminators, death guard and the plagueburster tank?

Looks like a rejected captain planet villain.

Am i the only person looking at his gear he has a freaking gun. It looks like a large plasma pistol to me a very large pistol i want to know what it will do

Blah. Busy and overwrought. And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

What are the fiddly purple bits and hammer attached to the chains?

darthryan wrote:
Am i the only person looking at his gear he has a freaking gun. It looks like a large plasma pistol to me a very large pistol i want to know what it will do

It's probably the Lantern, his custom energy blaster. In 30K (based on 7th edition rules) it's S8, AP2, Assault 1 and Sunder.

His Reaper (Silence) is probably a juiced-up Manreaper.


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Voss wrote:
Blah. Busy and overwrought. And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

What are the fiddly purple bits and hammer attached to the chains?

They look like thuribles, with purple smoke coming out of some of them.

Voss wrote:
And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

I can tell you exactly how it's attached to the base.

By you. Repeatedly. All the time.

That thing looks like it'd wiggle and break from whatever is holding it up, all it'd take is one grilled-chicken fart nearby and it's gonna 'plink'.

The model is very busy. Don't care much for the paint job. But, just glad to see him

darthryan wrote:
Am i the only person looking at his gear he has a freaking gun. It looks like a large plasma pistol to me a very large pistol i want to know what it will do

Presumably is going to be similar to his HH lantern which was a more powerful plasma pistol.

Voss wrote:
Blah. Busy and overwrought. And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

What are the fiddly purple bits and hammer attached to the chains?

I think the purpose stuff is smoke and demon fly things but it's hard to tell. Not sure what you mean by hammer.

I actually love him. He's awesome as! I'd paint the robes and hood a dirty white/cream colour though, but he's great! Can't wait to get some more pics of him.

The gas mask looks awesome, his pistol looks really cool, looks like plasma canisters on it, like Darthryan said. I'm also glad that he stayed mostly human.

I could believe, from seeing this, that he's going to have pretty beastly stats.

As with many other people, I am happy with the model, eager to paint him up to match my stuff and dirty him up a bit more.

I so badly wanna see his stats. The models MAGNIFICENT <3 <3

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Voss wrote:
And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

I can tell you exactly how it's attached to the base.

By you. Repeatedly. All the time.

That thing looks like it'd wiggle and break from whatever is holding it up, all it'd take is one grilled-chicken fart nearby and it's gonna 'plink'.

I think I might be giving mine a scratch built "scenic" base just I can have something to anchor him onto that will weigh him down.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Voss wrote:
And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

I can tell you exactly how it's attached to the base.

By you. Repeatedly. All the time.

That thing looks like it'd wiggle and break from whatever is holding it up, all it'd take is one grilled-chicken fart nearby and it's gonna 'plink'.

I think I might be giving mine a scratch built "scenic" base just I can have something to anchor him onto that will weigh him down.

If you look at the tiny pics that leaked ages ago there are at least 4 contact points with the base. It is by no means perfect but it looks better than some of the recent floaty minis.

Magnus blew me away, and despite not being a big fan of Guiliman fluffwise, I have to admit that his model looks alright.

Not a big fan of Mortarion however.
He's hideous, and not in a "good/Deathguardy" way.
Might be the paintjob that ruins it though.

I like the model a lot! Exactly what I was hoping for. I'll probably change his paint scheme, but I don't think this one looks 'terrible'.

I'm glad he still has his respirator on, I didn't want some weird goofy baby face, like the Dark Imperium sorcerer. I never liked the face on the forgeworld 30k one either.

I always envisioned Morty having feathered wings, but I think it will look cool to have him with these bug-like wings, magnus with bird ones, angron will have his dragon wings, and not sure what type Fulgrim will have, but nice that there's some diversity at least so far.

lol at whoever talking gak about the paintjob. no clue

I think aside from the captain planet villain joke... he looks way too slaaneshi. What's with the purple-blue tentacles?

its a GW paint job. the guy isnt david soper painting nurgle lol

I think it looks dope. Slaaneshi? Don't think so.

A couple of different spot colors would solve that anyways, though personally a lot of gross injuries are purple and blue

I can see this being a long, long, long model to paint though, just like Magnus and the LoC, if you actually hit every detail to a high level this will take weeks.

Another win for GW if you ask me though. Only major mistep from them lately for me is that wtf 30th anniversary marine. I prefer my special edition stuff to be identifiable if I put it next to bog standard baseline troops

I'm sorry but the look of the old Epic miniature was just stupid. He couldn't be more uninspired and generic. (EDIT: This doesn't means is bad to like it. I like too the classical grim reaper figure, but for a Daemon Primarch... nah)

The Paintjob is very clear, yes. But because you want a clear paintjob that show all of the details in your marketing photos.

Chikout wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Voss wrote:
And I hate to think of how that is 'attached' to a base.

I can tell you exactly how it's attached to the base.

By you. Repeatedly. All the time.

That thing looks like it'd wiggle and break from whatever is holding it up, all it'd take is one grilled-chicken fart nearby and it's gonna 'plink'.

I think I might be giving mine a scratch built "scenic" base just I can have something to anchor him onto that will weigh him down.

If you look at the tiny pics that leaked ages ago there are at least 4 contact points with the base. It is by no means perfect but it looks better than some of the recent floaty minis.

I'm just shocked this photo leak from almost a year ago was accurate that has to be one of the oldest confirmed leaks of a model image.
The model looks great people bitchin don't give the model justice and can't see past that purple/pink paint job.

Mortarion looks amazing but could certainly benefit with a paint job that actually suits the model.

Something about it seems off to me. It isn't really all that that blinged put but it his armor just looks too busy to me all the same.

Yeah it's the scattershot placement of too much doo dads and little bits and things all over the place that really distract from him. His legs look like he has tumors in them or gout and are hilariously disproportionate to his whole body.

I think the only thing that looks good are his wings, but that's nott he main part of the model really.

Hmm... I have mixed feelings about Morty...

On the one hand a great many details that can be weathered and made to look proper with a good color selection that stays away from purple/neon pink.

On the other hand, his proportions and pose look just as cartoony as the plague marines. I was hoping for a more intimidating looking sculpt.

As always, more photos are needed. It's high time we saw the rest of this line. It's been 4.5 months since the teaser!

think nobody bothered to notice given is morty and all but ... anyone saw the models above him? ... new foetid drone?

 aracersss wrote:
think nobody bothered to notice given is morty and all but ... anyone saw the models above him? ... new foetid drone?

Pretty sure all the other models are the DI set of models, with some hard to see Inceptors by the drone.

The bloat drone looks to be the same as the current model so far as I can tell. Even the weapon appears to be the same.

so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

I think most of us just don't like bright purple on nurgle. A decent portion also aren't fond of what I think is bright green base (I'm colorblind so that doesn't apply for me).

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

So you're saying that because people are pointing out that a paint job dosen't do a model justice, in their opinion, then that means they're bad painters? Yeah. Cool. Sounds fair.

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice....

You don't have to be a good painter yourself to know that you don't like a paint job.
It's the same thing people have been saying about all the Death Guard so far. It's technically great paint job, and they know why it has to be clean, but the gaudiness of the overall effect doesn't do the Legion or their Primarch any favours.

I agree - it's not my style, and I prefer "dirty" Nurgle...

That said, if you disagree with someone please do so in a polite manner - we're talking about toy soldier paint jobs, after all!

Thanks all

This is not worth $220 in my opinion, which is what it will cost in Australia.

Brian888 wrote:

They look like thuribles, with purple smoke coming out of some of them.

Smoke? Ah. That's... well... hmm.
Smoke, eh?
An interesting attempt, to be sure.

I thought they were flaming meteors or comets.

SilverAlien wrote:
I think the purpose stuff is smoke and demon fly things but it's hard to tell. Not sure what you mean by hammer.

The hammer floating below the 'bulb' on the 'scythe.'
Something pink is holding it.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice....

You don't have to be a good painter yourself to know that you don't like a paint job.
It's the same thing people have been saying about all the Death Guard so far. It's technically great paint job, and they know why it has to be clean, but the gaudiness of the overall effect doesn't do the Legion or their Primarch any favours.

i'm saying that as a guy who people ask to do commissions all the time, I can paint a bad model with colors that don't compliment each other and people will love it regardless. I can show those same people a complimentary painted model with bad blending and they are none the wiser. So you don't like the "paint job" is that really what it is? What specifically. His choice to use a desaturated purple and red to paint the cloth on the model? Could that be a brown or grey? yes but the colors compliment each other so you are not disliking the "paint job" as much as the sculpt and color choices which are objective. I think the model looks great and the paint job is impossible to judge since we cant see closeups

Voss wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

They look like thuribles, with purple smoke coming out of some of them.

Smoke? Ah. That's... well... hmm.
Smoke, eh?
An interesting attempt, to be sure.

I thought they were flaming meteors or comets.

SilverAlien wrote:
I think the purpose stuff is smoke and demon fly things but it's hard to tell. Not sure what you mean by hammer.

The hammer floating below the 'bulb' on the 'scythe.'
Something pink is holding it.

That hammer is one of the Poxwalker models.

Yeah sorry, Morty is another miss. It's another huge expensive model with so much 'bling' on it that it takes away from what morty should be. The paint job isn't doing it any favors either. The 'flying' pose is just irritating, it's like when GW 'discovered' the pointing finger model and almost EVERY special character model was pointing for a few years there.

I wish they would take a chance and do something really creative with their 3-D sculpting/CAD designs and their mold technology instead of boring copy/paste with "insert faction bling" on their huge center piece models that are grossly over priced.

I know they got the talent, I know they got the technology, they just need the will to let the design studio be creative instead of letting marketing and upper management dictate what is made and how it looks.

photo is somewhat over exposed so could be effecting the paint job

but the model is very busy, can happen to nurgle models... just goes over that line from nurgly to a hot mess

I don't think it's too messy, I can see exactly what's going on. He has a hood and a mask, shoulder pads with the Nurgle logo and horns on, some pipes going from his chest to around his sides, a cloth robe on and some disease filled sensors hanging off of him.

I think the over exposure of the photo of a photo that's been photoshopped to be bright is giving off the wrong impression. While I'd paint him differently, the colours do compliment, though are possibly the reason he's looking a bit too busy. With a little less contrast in some places and a different colour choice for the robe/hood (I'd go dirty white), and seeing him in person, he'd look utterly beast, imo.

Everyone will have different opinions on what colours they want to paint him, but that's one of the main points of this hobby. GW are going with the purple because it's a main complimentary colour for green, so it picks out the detail and contrasts well. We don't have to paint it that way, it's just for photos. Please don't fight and cause the thread to be locked, I like this thread.

Also, by the looks of the old weird Russian leaked images, it looks like he can be built in a slightly different pose, with the arm currently holding the scythe pointing his pistol and the other arm holding the scythe down. I'd probably go with that pose if it's possible

Huh, I always imagined him as tall and gaunt, not fat and bloated. But it's a very nice model.

I think it's ugly. Not good ugly like the the FW GUO. Just too busy with silly wings. That said I'm not that keen on playing supercharacters - a hangover from the no special characters rule of most tournaments when I was first playing in 2E I guess, so I'm kinda glad I'm not desperate to use it!

I think the model is great I don't worry about purple this n that, GW paints there models so they contrast well for photos and marketing. Ever tryied photoing a heavily grimy weather model it hard to make it not look dull and it obscures the kit. They also choose officials paint schemes to go along with there paint by numbers way of doing the schemes at home so anyone can have a go. You can't do that when you used a batch of different products weathering up a model, some of which gw don't make because not all products are child friendly/safe to use as there products are. Let's be fair about it not run of the handle after one blurry photo. Personnly I convert a high proportion of my models just because it's fun. But currently I can't see anything I'd overly like to change, maybe the hanging bits, thin them out and the slime in his respirator thin that out, add more nicks and tears to the fabric n armour. Probably go cream n green on armour with black robes and a lot of rust/grime/filthrunning down over the details.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I don't think it's too messy, I can see exactly what's going on. He has a hood and a mask, shoulder pads with the Nurgle logo and horns on, some pipes going from his chest to around his sides, a cloth robe on and some disease filled sensors hanging off of him.

I think the over exposure of the photo of a photo that's been photoshopped to be bright is giving off the wrong impression. While I'd paint him differently, the colours do compliment, though are possibly the reason he's looking a bit too busy. With a little less contrast in some places and a different colour choice for the robe/hood (I'd go dirty white), and seeing him in person, he'd look utterly beast, imo.

Everyone will have different opinions on what colours they want to paint him, but that's one of the main points of this hobby. GW are going with the purple because it's a main complimentary colour for green, so it picks out the detail and contrasts well. We don't have to paint it that way, it's just for photos. Please don't fight and cause the thread to be locked, I like this thread.

Also, by the looks of the old weird Russian leaked images, it looks like he can be built in a slightly different pose, with the arm currently holding the scythe pointing his pistol and the other arm holding the scythe down. I'd probably go with that pose if it's possible

I'd also say the photo composition isn't great. The background clashes, and the foreground features more of the same colour scheme. Makes it tricky to see where Mortarion ends, and his son's begin.

Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

 fox-light713 wrote:
Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

It looks like God mode of Saint Seiya.

IMO, FW, as usual, looks sooo much better.

 fox-light713 wrote:
Here's a side by side (forge world image and other user edited image)

The FW one is far superior, the new one is just too busy. It may just be the paint scheme but it just doesn't look good.

Us the FW one everytime

Looks like next month's issue of White Dwarf.

Teased in March, released in September

Personaly i love the model i think he looks great and im just hoping his rules are up to standard. I expect he will either be
1. Terrible
Or
2.way over priced (cash and points)
Or as he is chaos possibly both

The side by side actually sells the new model more for me. The FW Mortarion is undynamic and dull, like most of their primarch models. I really don't like the new Mortarion either though. I need to see more angles and a better paint job first.

darthryan wrote:
Personaly i love the model i think he looks great and im just hoping his rules are up to standard. I expect he will either be
1. Terrible
Or
2.way over priced (cash and points)
Or as he is chaos possibly both

I have a bad feeling that he'll be terrible because he'll be overcosted. People complain about the current primarchs being too cheap, points wise (rightly so) and I'm willing to bet that Mortarion will be the time they start balancing the points and make him too expensive. His stats will probably be pretty beastly though

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

As usual, GW is having trouble painting Nurgle because the professionals can't make something dark and gloomy-looking like Nurgle miniatures should be, at least in my opinion. Look at those bright and happy colors. As far as the design of the miniature goes, what's up with how clean the cloth elements look? I don't see holes or tatters anywhere... I also think Mortarion would have looked way better with feathered wings. Also, as far as the silhouette goes, there's this weird sort of speaker thing with a spike and two little tiny sensors on it sticking up from his back that makes him look too busy, while it may just be the way he's positioned, but I think he looks a little wider than he should. Also, I didn't expect a daemon primarch to have a pistol, it feels a little banal for a daemon primarch. Then again, he looks about the same size as guilliman so maybe he needs it. Daemon Primarch of Nurgle, now with plasma pistols!

Overall I rate the mini 8/10, it's well made but not very evocative.

eosgreen wrote:
So you don't like the "paint job" is that really what it is? What specifically.

Mortarion was the Primarch of the least ostentatious legion and has historically rocked a muted pallet. The color pallet this dude went with looks like ass and makes the daemon primarch look like a deflated nerf ball that was dipped in dog vomit.

I'm very good at being specific, inquire for more. And post pictures of your work while you're at it. I'm curious to see what a presumably non-bad painter's magnum opus looks like.

I'll wait until the proper pics are available. This is a badly-exposed photo of a picture with unusual lighting effects.

As it happens, I hated the Forge World Mortarion model based on the photos. It was only when I saw it in person that the pose made more sense.

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Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

JSG wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

...You're being deliberately dense.

The only thing I'd change is the wings. I think the more bare, skeletal and feathers style teased in some art would suit rather thatn the long strips of skin with a few holes pumped into it. The rest, whilst I prefer the art of him being thin and decaying, sort of like the boogy man grim reaper, I can get over that.

Guys, can we keep the angry messages about what makes a good painting as PMs please? Don't want this thread to get locked

I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

Why do I now have an image of Mortarion in robes and a bikini...

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Guys, can we keep the angry messages about what makes a good painting as PMs please? Don't want this thread to get locked

Aww, but I want to know what he has to say.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

I do agree, but I also think that a more cohesive colour scheme could reduce the 'lots of stuff going on' effect as well. Each element in a different colour deliberatly shows how much stuff is on there, and I get why they do it that way, but from experience with the forgeworld one, the actual sculpt has a lot of details, yet painted as it is looks a very simple model.

I have started my DI death guard using bone as a base colour and built up with secret weapon baby poop wash and green inks to create a dirty off white with a hint of green slime and goop kind of look. Nurgle just does not work with a clean style and edge highlights.

If anything, the marketing people have it wrong with Nurgle, the clear and precise style really does them no favours.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just thought he'd be more robed and less... everything else.

Less CAD?

 Quarterdime wrote:

JSG wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

To know that it tastes bad? Yeah, you would.

...You're being deliberately dense.

Just specific.

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

 Formosa wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

Looks very 80s. I can imagine in 20 years we'll be looking back at this model, fond memories clouding the silly parts, like today we look back to the bright red skinned dragon ogres, neon blue ultramarines and other rainbow palettes of GWs beginnings.

However there are some things that cant be overlocked even by nostalgia. The Scythe head is ridiculously oversized and would break of in an instant if the weapon was used for anything else spare back scratching. And the pose lacks purpose, it looks like Mortarion is raising his shoulders towards the sculptors themselves asking "what now?"


PS: I really like the wings, they are unlike any GW has done before. They are not fly wings, but moth wings. They even have hair on them. Very heavy, daemonic and leathery.

Look, I know this is a thread about Nurgle & Death Guard, but that doesn't mean the posts need to be toxic to other users - the background of the models and names of their weapons should be as toxic as it gets.

I personally don't like the snot green & purple scheme he is painted in - technically it is a great paint job but it's not my preferred style - but I'll reserve judgement as to the actual sculpt when we have better (preferably unpainted) pictures.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Look, I know this is a thread about Nurgle & Death Guard, but that doesn't mean the posts need to be toxic to other users - the background of the models and names of their weapons should be as toxic as it gets.

I personally don't like the snot green & purple scheme he is painted in - technically it is a great paint job but it's not my preferred style - but I'll reserve judgement as to the actual sculpt when we have better (preferably unpainted) pictures.

It's my fault really. I just have a personal grudge against people constantly gak talking GW stuff with no basis. its so annoying. we have no good pictures yet the "paint job doesn't do it justice". do what? we can barely see him lol

So I think it's worth pointing out the people disliking the paint aren't harping on the painter's skill (obviously it took time and effort to do it) so much as very poor color choices that don't fit what most of us want from DG, making our opinion of the model overall lower.

So maybe don't act like a total nob and get the thread locked because you are trying to prove a point about how much more knowledgeable you are about the art of painting toy soldiers? Thanks!

Voss wrote:
The hammer floating below the 'bulb' on the 'scythe.'
Something pink is holding it.

That's just the tentacle on a poxwalkers, think that models been released already.

We can see him pretty well.

Hmmm, but that itself is dangerous ground to trespass on. It's also one of the most frequent internet fall backs when people can't defend something.

The "let's see you do better!" school of argument is useless. I am neither a sculptor, nor a painter and I can tell you I dislike the Mortarion model quite a bit. Do I need a list of fancy artistic terms to explain why? No.

The leaked picture is more than enough to get a very good look at the figure. The paintwork on it is likely fine (GW has decent painters in their employ - though nowhere near as good as some other professionals). Like most businesses their painters are likely working on very constricted timelines and probably put out a TON of models.

GW's been on a roll lately and has been doing really well, gaining back a lot of positive feedback and a lot of returning customers. That doesn't mean everything they produce is made of gold.

I think the Mortarion figure could be saved with some heavy cutting/modding (lose a lot of the extraneous detail), changing of the wings, and a much better/darker/more appropriate paint scheme. However it'll likely never be a top marks sculpt to me. I don't think we'll see many options with this one either given the way it's styled.

I think I would definitey clip off, or simply not fit, the chains and globes hanging off him

NoggintheNog wrote:
I think I would definitey clip off, or simply not fit, the chains and globes hanging off him

Censor the censers you mean?!!? :p

eosgreen wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Look, I know this is a thread about Nurgle & Death Guard, but that doesn't mean the posts need to be toxic to other users - the background of the models and names of their weapons should be as toxic as it gets.

I personally don't like the snot green & purple scheme he is painted in - technically it is a great paint job but it's not my preferred style - but I'll reserve judgement as to the actual sculpt when we have better (preferably unpainted) pictures.

It's my fault really. I just have a personal grudge against people constantly gak talking GW stuff with no basis. its so annoying. we have no good pictures yet the "paint job doesn't do it justice". do what? we can barely see him lol

It can be the most wonderfully painted figure in the world but crappy colour choices can ruin it.

There's no focal point, everything is sharply highlighted and all the details blend into each other because there's no depth, I'm finding my eyes drawn to the thing above his head instead of his face. I'm at a loose end so I fixed the over-exsposure on the photo, I also adjusted a few other things out of habit. No lie, focusing on his face for a few seconds started to make my eyes go funny because of all the crap surrounding it. The fact that they've lit it flatly and highlighted ALL the detail with harsh lines made it physically hurt to look at.

I think Morty would look pretty good with white armor. I am painting all my DG with old Legion colors and it looks more appealing to me. also allows me to double my HH DG for 40k.

 Elbows wrote:
Hmmm, but that itself is dangerous ground to trespass on. It's also one of the most frequent internet fall backs when people can't defend something.

The "let's see you do better!" school of argument is useless. I am neither a sculptor, nor a painter and I can tell you I dislike the Mortarion model quite a bit. Do I need a list of fancy artistic terms to explain why? No.

The leaked picture is more than enough to get a very good look at the figure. The paintwork on it is likely fine (GW has decent painters in their employ - though nowhere near as good as some other professionals). Like most businesses their painters are likely working on very constricted timelines and probably put out a TON of models.

GW's been on a roll lately and has been doing really well, gaining back a lot of positive feedback and a lot of returning customers. That doesn't mean everything they produce is made of gold.

I think the Mortarion figure could be saved with some heavy cutting/modding (lose a lot of the extraneous detail), changing of the wings, and a much better/darker/more appropriate paint scheme. However it'll likely never be a top marks sculpt to me. I don't think we'll see many options with this one either given the way it's styled.

i did post "doing better" btw, much much better and the argument in regards to painting matters. Bad painters tend to have bad POV. "i don't like the colors" ok well its nurgle... nurlge is purple green pink white brown red blue... wait so every color makes up nurgle? also the guy who paints these wins golden demons. Hes not just "an avg painter" hes above avg by a lot. aidyn daly look up his latest roboute guilliman which he rushed btw, rushed and looks that good.

one could argue the sculpt is too busy but thats not what was said, what was said was that "the paint job doesn't do the model justice" when it looks good to me in the confines of the sculpt and what nurgle tends to be color wise. The cape/cloak HAVE to be a color such as that to stand out and GW doesn't do the "natural" look which would more likely be like the nagash cloth on the latest slayer sword winner, rotted out and brown. Its pretty hard to make nurgle shiny and cartoonish but thats the GW style

Sim-Life wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Look, I know this is a thread about Nurgle & Death Guard, but that doesn't mean the posts need to be toxic to other users - the background of the models and names of their weapons should be as toxic as it gets.

I personally don't like the snot green & purple scheme he is painted in - technically it is a great paint job but it's not my preferred style - but I'll reserve judgement as to the actual sculpt when we have better (preferably unpainted) pictures.

It's my fault really. I just have a personal grudge against people constantly gak talking GW stuff with no basis. its so annoying. we have no good pictures yet the "paint job doesn't do it justice". do what? we can barely see him lol

It can be the most wonderfully painted figure in the world but crappy colour choices can ruin it.

There's no focal point, everything is sharply highlighted and all the details blend into each other because there's no depth, I'm finding my eyes drawn to the thing above his head instead of his face. I'm at a loose end so I fixed the over-exsposure on the photo, I also adjusted a few other things out of habit. No lie, focusing on his face for a few seconds started to make my eyes go funny because of all the crap surrounding it. The fact that they've lit it flatly and highlighted ALL the detail with harsh lines made it physically hurt to look at.

Yeah, that shade of purple isn't doing the model any favors. Most depictions of Mortarion has him wearing gauze or white cloth - why didn't they go for that with this model?

All in all it's a nice model. The 'eavy metal paint job probably doesn't do it justice.

A couple of things bug me though, I think the scythe looks a bit Skaven clan skyre and why does the smoke from his back blow a different way to all the other models in the picture?

The model looks great. It is weird and chaosy (why are there so many chaos player who wan their chaos marines to look like normal marines? If you don't like horns and tentacles, then perhaps you should have thought about that before betraying the Master of Mankind?) The insect wings are marvellous. The paint job is absolutely fine, it is not how I'd paint it, but there's nothing wrong with it; the muted green and purple work great together.

From what I can see of him, I like Mortarion quite a bit more than Magnus (and I do like Magnus). The wings are a really cool design, as is the helmet. I could do with a little less bling around the edges.

Marleymoo wrote:
All in all it's a nice model. The 'eavy metal paint job probably doesn't do it justice.

A couple of things bug me though, I think the scythe looks a bit Skaven clan skyre and why does the smoke from his back blow a different way to all the other models in the picture?

I almost get the impression that they put it on the wrong way round. It would be in the right direction if you flipped it. I'm probably going to take it off personally anyway, but yeah it hurts my OCD

eosgreen wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

Chill out

Marleymoo wrote:
A couple of things bug me though, I think the scythe looks a bit Skaven clan skyre and why does the smoke from his back blow a different way to all the other models in the picture?

Funnily enough, I think I remember reading that his scythe was originally a unique Necron artifact.

eosgreen wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

A: I can see enough detail.

Funny that, addressed what you said immediately.

B: I don't need 400 hours etc.

Omg ! I addressed what you said again !!!

C: yep, yep I do

Jeeeeejus, I keep addressing what you've said ! I'm such a cad

D: nurgle is not etc

Wow, I keep addressing what your saying, but I must be putting it in invisible ink or something.

And yep I'm a good painter, your not, see how easy that is to throw around a subjective comment, and glazing is the only way to see if someone is a good painter lol, nope, not everything has to be neat, some things look better with a slightly messy look, but I doubt you understand that.

What a shout someone at B&C suggested, swap the fly wings with the Morghast Skeleton wings. Just the right amount of skeleton to represent death, tattered wing to fill the Nurlge look with spiritis(fumes) coming off them. Will definitely be doing this.

Love the model though, only thing I would change would be the wings. I just don't like fly wings even on the drones, even though he's supposed to be Nurgle made manifest, to me he should still look like Death.

Agree that the purple is off putting and I think gold and tattered white will just look schmexy as cant wait to see other peoples take on him.

So now the other question.....so errrr since yall got a picture of morty, surely those Beasts of Nurgle and Terminators are on the next page?

I think it looks neat. Can't wait to see the terminators!

Not a fan of the paint job, but whatever, we'll be seeing lots of cool alternative schemes once the model is released.

Anyone else watching the CSM codex discussion on the twitch stream and am I hearing this right, we should see some DG preview today or something to do with DG?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Anyone else watching the CSM codex discussion on the twitch stream and am I hearing this right, we should see some DG preview today or something to do with DG?

If what you say is true....
I just poohed a little with excitement

What did they say exactly to make you think that?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Anyone else watching the CSM codex discussion on the twitch stream and am I hearing this right, we should see some DG preview today or something to do with DG?

If what you say is true....
I just poohed a little with excitement

Sorry I don't wanna be creating any false hype, the guy mentioned about something being put up on the community site today if not already and I think they are aware of the Mortarion picture so maybe we will get a proper look at him today?

Some ropey acting and a quick look/360 of Mortarion

OH !!!!!

That is one Fugly Model a face only a "father" could love, I'm actually glad as it diminishes my temptation to expand on my Dark Imperium Death Guard.
I was hoping for a more Reapery style model. Two down two to go, who will it be Khorne or Slannesh?

Actually Typhus could change things.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Anyone else watching the CSM codex discussion on the twitch stream and am I hearing this right, we should see some DG preview today or something to do with DG?

If what you say is true....
I just poohed a little with excitement

Sorry I don't wanna be creating any false hype, the guy mentioned about something being put up on the community site today if not already and I think they are aware of the Mortarion picture so maybe we will get a proper look at him today?

I know the most recent Chapter Standard post had to do with Nurgle, though that was posted ages ago.

Man, I hope they do post something, that would be great

Mortarion looks bad.ass

That slightly hunched over stance is stellar, that base, still gonna swap the wings out I think but that's certainly a Primarch

Dat Typhus. Dat Tallyman.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The only thing I'd change is the wings. I think the more bare, skeletal and feathers style teased in some art would suit rather than the long strips of skin with a few holes pumped into it.

I think the wings from the FW Bloodthirster would look more in keeping with how I imagine Mortarion, ragged and clawed. Those insect wings look a bit faeriesh.



Apart from that, I think it is a pretty good model although I am not a big fan of the colour scheme used (like most others apparently).

Ha the little Nurgling with a tiny banner on his base. Disgustingly adorable.

Is that a new DG Chaos Lord?! What's the other guy?

Mortarion looks as beast as I expected! And that dude with the Scythe looks really cool too! Hell yeah!

 Ghaz wrote:

Bringing it over to the next page.

I thought that was supposed to be Typhus.

I wonder what kind of role the Tally Man will fill on the field.

Looking at Morty's new model gives me a dirty tinkerbell vibe. All he needs is more glitter! I can't get that image out of my mind when I look at that model. He will forever be known as Tinkerbell in my gaming group.

Damn, September :C

Ah well, at least we're getting some love!
And I realise now that must be Typhus, considering the way he's speaking about Mortarion haha

 Ghaz wrote:

Wait, speaking of Typhus, is that Typhus looks like him.

Mortarion looks *way* better in that video.
Colours are muted and not as screamy, which fits much better.

Its o.k. in my opinion.

It is too busy, I dont like that thing above his head and there is too much swirly crap at the bottom .

Positives, I like his head and the wings, I like that the censers dont have stuff coming out of them and I really like his weapons.

Even the brief 360 view was enough to convince me this is a far better model than that awful, color saturated image portrayed.

Looking forward to further better images in muted colors. This is almost exactly as happened to me from initially seeing the bright yellow new AOS orcs to seeing Mark Bedford's dark metal ones.

Possible Typhus
Tallyman Of Nurgle
And Ol' Morty.

It is quite clear that the version we saw before was the army painters model, designed to stand out in army shots. The model in the 360 is the 'eavy metal mini, designed to look good in closeups.

I fully endorse this bad voice acting making typhus out to be a psuedo starscream of the deathgaurd.

Morty's base is really great as it adds this whole 'spreading plague from above' vibe and dynamic sense of movement aspect to the model but it's still all a little busy for me.

Loving the little clip and love the models too. I might splash out if they bring in a DG terminator kit or pick up Mortarian later on when I build up some funds.

Love Typhus' l'il tentacles!

So what do we think the Tallyman does?

Some kind of possible Chaplain/Lieutenant style equivalent perhaps? I'm assuming he'll be some kind of aura buffer. Love the model

 Formosa wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

A: I can see enough detail.

Funny that, addressed what you said immediately.

B: I don't need 400 hours etc.

Omg ! I addressed what you said again !!!

C: yep, yep I do

Jeeeeejus, I keep addressing what you've said ! I'm such a cad

D: nurgle is not etc

Wow, I keep addressing what your saying, but I must be putting it in invisible ink or something.

And yep I'm a good painter, your not, see how easy that is to throw around a subjective comment, and glazing is the only way to see if someone is a good painter lol, nope, not everything has to be neat, some things look better with a slightly messy look, but I doubt you understand that.

you, sir, and I mean no offence, are a mediocre Painter. fitting for tabletopstandard, but nothing more. very good painters are guys like Jarhead, Ben Komets or Banshee, whom are universes apart from you.

Don't think that's Typhus, looks to be the Champion of what was formerly known as the Deathshroud Terminators. In the wide shot with Mortarion behind him, you can see another scythe-wielding Terminator with the same fungal stacks to the right of the tallyman.

Given what we've seen with Kharn and Ahriman so far, I'd expect Typhus to be much more ostentatious and recognizable

someone base that Tallyman atop a hill of bananas...

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Don't think that's Typhus, looks to be the Champion of what was formerly known as the Deathshroud Terminators. In the wide shot with Mortarion behind him, you can see another scythe-wielding Terminator with the same fungal stacks to the right of the tallyman.

Given what we've seen with Kharn and Ahriman so far, I'd expect Typhus to be much more ostentatious and recognizable

I think you're right! *gasps* even better, Deathshroud Termies confirmed?!

I hope Typhus comes with a bare head.

Well as long as it comes with his killer facial hair...

Hmm....40k has been reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon. I demand a new race to be designed, a race of robots that can transform themselves into Imperial vehicles!

That Mortarion is much better than the one in the camera picture.

Also 'fudge the numbers' made me laugh more than it should have.

He looks okay, would look infinitely better in pre-heresy colors. If I end up purchasing him I'll end up doing him up that way.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Don't think that's Typhus, looks to be the Champion of what was formerly known as the Deathshroud Terminators. In the wide shot with Mortarion behind him, you can see another scythe-wielding Terminator with the same fungal stacks to the right of the tallyman.

Given what we've seen with Kharn and Ahriman so far, I'd expect Typhus to be much more ostentatious and recognizable

I'm leaning towards that same thought and hope you're correct. I was hoping for a much larger and more recognizable Typhus model. Similar to some of his art.

Bloodmaster wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Ruin wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
so annoying seeing bad painters say a paint job doesn't do the model justice.

A - we cant really see the detail
B - they don't put in 400 hours to these models
C - you don't have any idea what constitutes a good paint job
D - nurgle is virtually impossible to paint well without tons and tons of time put into it refer to david soper if you need to see what good nurgle looks like and then understand he spends 100s of hours

Ah that old chestnut. Tell me, do you have to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad?

Lol ok, yep you don't need to eat crap to know it tastes crap and to the op.

I'm a very good painter, soooo

A: I can see enough detail
B: I don't need to put 400 hours into a single mini to make it look like this
C: yep, yep I do
D: nurgle is not virtually impossible to paint without putting loads of time in, its one of the easier ones to paint compared to say, imperial fists, if you want them to look good that is.

So with all that out the way, it's a bad looking model and far too busy on the eye, the paint job isn't great, but I'm not complaining about that, it's just what gw wants deathfuard to look like, always found the muted nurgle scheme boring.

you are not a good painter lol at all. delusional. you are dead wrong also you didnt even address waht i said. I said nurgle is not the type of model that you can "edge highlight". I can paint those new primaris in 10mins and they will look insane. models with lots of skin and lots of diff color detail like this requires lots of glazing. Glazing = time. You can see detail on this model? the pic is garbage rofl. You cant see a single meaningful thing in that pic rofl. unreal man. I feel like mini wargaming nerds are like the far left or far right of politics. Outright insane

Your gallery doesn't even have a single mode that has good glazing/painting what would you know.

If topic gets locked thats fine I'm just sick of people ill equip to judge passing judgement

A: I can see enough detail.

Funny that, addressed what you said immediately.

B: I don't need 400 hours etc.

Omg ! I addressed what you said again !!!

C: yep, yep I do

Jeeeeejus, I keep addressing what you've said ! I'm such a cad

D: nurgle is not etc

Wow, I keep addressing what your saying, but I must be putting it in invisible ink or something.

And yep I'm a good painter, your not, see how easy that is to throw around a subjective comment, and glazing is the only way to see if someone is a good painter lol, nope, not everything has to be neat, some things look better with a slightly messy look, but I doubt you understand that.

you, sir, and I mean no offence, are a mediocre Painter. fitting for tabletopstandard, but nothing more. very good painters are guys like Jarhead, Ben Komets or Banshee, whom are universes apart from you.

From what you've seen, keep up with those assumptions

Mortarion is perhaps one of the best models Citadel has ever made.

It's also one of those things where you can easily separate wrong opinions versus correct facts - very little to be subjective about.

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Love the video

"Yes, we were just talking about you. Sorry..."

Apparently the Community page just changed their header to this

Ok, after that video, I love Mortarion. The pose is not like Celestine, floating like "Woaaaah!". He is moving forward, like a hooded Nazgul looking for his next prey.
Plus: I just love the little cherubin nurglings with cloth in their heads and the one with the daemonic symbol

With a clean up from the video. I'm liking this a lot.

The model looks fantastic with the 'Eavy Metal paint job. The colour scheme is much better than the first one previewed.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
With a clean up from the video. I'm liking this a lot.

I love how he's leaning forwards, slowly strafing the field. Really menacing. Love the cowled nurglings too

Finally! A picture that looks imposing and appropriate to the character. They still ruined him for me with the Tinkerbell first pic.

Teeny tiny Nurglings look ace!

About the Terminator of the video

Anyone who's hating on this new model line just can't be pleased. God GW, you're KILLING me here.

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm....40k has been reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon. I demand a new race to be designed, a race of robots that can transform themselves into Imperial vehicles!

Get over yourself, 40k has been an overblown, cartoony, heavy metal album cover since it's inception.

 Galas wrote:
About the Terminator of the video

Then someone else has access to the Destroyer Hive, because that's on the back of the Terminator.

ERJAK wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm....40k has been reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon. I demand a new race to be designed, a race of robots that can transform themselves into Imperial vehicles!

Get over yourself, 40k has been an overblown, cartoony, heavy metal album cover since it's inception.

I'm pretty sure ERJAK was being funny?

ERJAK wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm....40k has been reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon. I demand a new race to be designed, a race of robots that can transform themselves into Imperial vehicles!

Get over yourself, 40k has been an overblown, cartoony, heavy metal album cover since it's inception.

There's a difference between 2000AD and Hasbro.

But back on topic, I kinda wonder what that Tallyman will be, I mean...is he like a commander, or just some sort of logistics daemonology officer?

The video was hilarious. Although I thought Typhus would sound a little deeper and less like a muppet choking on a fishbone, but everything came so far out of left field that it works.

Model kinda disappoints me though. Dunno why but the current Typhus Model feels like he has more detail, and the Indominus Armor looks better on him.




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Also goddamnit, Mortarion and Typhus are probably gonna be expensive, but I must have those models.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galas wrote:
About the Terminator of the video

Then someone else has access to the Destroyer Hive, because that's on the back of the Terminator.

It might just be more based on the FW Grave Warden kit. These dudes have the chimney stacks. Also, I'm going to assume that you can make them as Grave Wardens, and maybe arm each with a Blight Launcher? If so, I'm going to be spending a lot of money on this kit haha


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 Malika2 wrote:


But back on topic, I kinda wonder what that Tallyman will be, I mean...is he like a commander, or just some sort of logistics daemonology officer?

I saw someone say on another forum that they reckon it could be like that old Daemon character who gave out stacking aura buffs to Nurgle Daemons the more enemy units the army killed. I'd say that's a pretty strong possibility, and could be pretty cool if true

He has the iconic Manreaper and those Destroyer Hive stacks, so 85% chance that's Typhus.

HOWEVER he also has tentacles coming out of his armor. While par for the course for the latest nurgle models, Wasn't typhus suppose to be fused to his armor big-daddy style? That would make the tentacles kinda wrong.

EDIT: Ignore what I said. Took a closer look at the video and another terminator shows up with the "Destroyer hive" in the background. That could just be a lord with the Manreaper.

Mortarion's pose in the video is 200% better than what it looks like in the picture. Very menacing.

Yeah it appears the destroyer hive or something similar is now par for the course.

It also seems clear we are getting deathshroud terminators which is good and bad. Good in that we get some terminators, which I wasn't taking as a given. Bad in that we likely won't have access to our old loadouts and the two ranged weapons we can see (destroyer hive or something similar and hand flamer strapped to the terminators arm or a new plague version) aren't going to be very useful for deep striking. Unless we can deepstrike close than normal or something.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
With a clean up from the video. I'm liking this a lot.

Can't wait for more leaks start to come through! Like the look of the termies too.

His scythe still looks dumb.

I dunno, I'm tempted by Death Guard because I really like Nurgle and have a lot of fun painting Nurgle stuff but I feel like Morty would be low on my list of priorities.

Okay, that video. Bloody amazing! I was certainly not expecting that.

Oh wow Morty looks way better in a more muted color scheme

i think the shiny wd picture doesnt help him

still not down with purple over green.

also dont even play nurgle but i want that tiny bearer.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I hope Typhus comes with a bare head.

Well as long as it comes with his killer facial hair...

Always thought that pic of Typhus looks like Tommaso Ciampa...

So, something else in the video, in the last shots you can see a normal plague marine (presumably part of ten man kit) with a special weapon. It looks similar to the released blight launcher, but could also be one of the new plague weapon in the recent CSM codex.

 Bottle wrote:
The model looks fantastic with the 'Eavy Metal paint job. The colour scheme is much better than the first one previewed.

I think its the exact same model, the colours are all in the same places, the wings especially are identical. Its just the WD one has had some monumental colour and level alteration in photoshop to brighten it all up.

Mortarions pose is not menacing. Its a childish effort to create something that seems menacing.

From a strictly technical standpoint he actually looks worse in the new pictures due to severe flaws in the sculptors perception of anatomy and the golden cut.

FudgeDumper wrote:
Mortarions pose is not menacing. Its a childish effort to create something that seems menacing.

From a strictly technical standpoint he actually looks worse in the new pictures due to severe flaws in the sculptors perception of anatomy and the golden cut.

What is your basis for comparison? Could you please show me a sculpt that represents your personal vision of menacing that has proper anatomy? I'm not calling you out, I genuinely want to see better because I love this model.

In the internet of today you don't need to make comparisons or give a reasonable argument. Just call something "childish" or "cartoony" without giving reasons for that and instantly desacredits the thing as inferior.

Praise be to the Plague God!

While I know we're all focused on Mortarion, how does everyone feel about the new Typhus? I'm a bit surprised to see him be a bit of a departure from the old model, especially with the hood.

Either way, quite happy with this lot. Not looking forward to the pricing, but I've been waiting quite a while for the new DG stuff.

It seems that isn't typhus. Apparently the thing that looks like a destroyer hive is common to a few models now, you can see it on the other death shroud terminator.

I can see a bit more potential in the updated picture from the video.

I'd still

-Swap the wings
-Change out the scythe
-Lose the plaguefly-censers
-Find a better way to mount it to a normal base

But with a good paintjob and those fixes I'd find it acceptable for sure. Basically take the whole thing from 11 to a nice 9.5 in the styling department and it'd be a winner.

 Elbows wrote:
I can see a bit more potential in the updated picture from the video.

I'd still

-Swap the wings
-Change out the scythe
-Lose the plaguefly-censers
-Find a better way to mount it to a normal base

But with a good paintjob and those fixes I'd find it acceptable for sure. Basically take the whole thing from 11 to a nice 9.5 in the styling department and it'd be a winner.

Those aren't plague flies, they're Nurglings. Robed, winged, cherubic Nurglings. It'd be a shame to lose them.

No...no it wouldn't.

I quite like them myself they are fun in an appropriate for nurgle way. Plus I imagine Morty hates them which makes it funnier.

SilverAlien wrote:
I quite like them myself they are fun in an appropriate for nurgle way. Plus I imagine Morty hates them which makes it funnier.

The joke is the nurglings are actually herding morty to where nurgle wants him to go.

otherwise he would collapse into a sloth like form and not give a damn.

just gotta say, that vid bought a smile to my face

He is not my jam. I expected him to be like in the artwork from a couple of sites ago, swinging his scythe over his head and slowly waltzing forwards while reaping his enemies. Does somebody know a similiar miniature?
This flying posture just doesn´t make it for me, but at least the wings are beautifull.
His right leg seem to be elongated and he has too much stuff hanging around his torso. I hate his left "look at the weapon I got" hand. Same as the Noxious Blightbringer from the DI box, which I cutted down a lot.
For 100€ there are too many cons for me, but I will wait for the 360 degree view.

I think the Lord of Contagion and his mathematician will be together with a Malignant Plaguecaster in a command box to build as the same as the 3 TS sorcerers were in a box. I also dig that abacus for the skull counting, he will be mine.

Please excuse my bad english, not my first language.

Oh, evil saturday morning death guard dudes. Was that video supposed to be funny? Because its more in soul-crushingly awful category.
Mortarion looks nice tho.

At the end of the dialogue in the video, did anyone notice the shoulderpads sticking out from the right? Looked like DG cataphractii terminators.

It wasn't as cringe inducing as it could've been. Faint praise I suppose, but for me the video is just an excuse to hunt out new details and models. Not a ton here though, sadly.

Also hoping we don't have to wait till September for any additional teasers and little bits of info.

Loving the 80's Saturday morning cartoon vibe they went for.

It's better than them taking themselves too seriously.

From what can be seen from the photo I don't think Mortarian is a patch on Magnus. Has a bit of a steampunk Batman Scarecrow vibe for my liking but it might just be the face which could be replaced I guess. Hold final judgement until see it up close and I'd say once it is released there will be far more suitable paintjobs among the community (think very dark grimey paintjobs)

The nurglings on the base are easily my favorite part. Morty has all his little buddies with him.

10/10, Cannot wait to put in a superheavy with Magnus.

Here's a re-paint on it, no purple, grungier, maybe some will change their minds a bit, I think the model is solid -

yup, much better. Looks less like a skittle now.

Ok that pic is a lot better

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Here's a re-paint on it, no purple, grungier, maybe some will change their minds a bit, I think the model is solid -

This is exactly how I was picturing painting mine when I get him. Darker, grittier. All the grimdark love that the setting needs, none of that cartoony stuff going on.

Love it. I think they nailed the 'angel of decay' vide that they were (presumably) going for. A more standard pose of walking around swinging his scythe would have been more badass, but the way they went with makes him seem more demonic, like a spectre of death that can't be fought. A more existential method of intimidating. It was brave of them to go for a novel wing design that breaks from the bird-bat-insect trio seen across fiction but they still look like they are little off, can't put my finger on it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Love it. I think they nailed the 'angel of decay' vide that they were (presumably) going for. A more standard pose of walking around swinging his scythe would have been more badass, but the way they went with makes him seem more demonic, like a spectre of death that can't be fought. A more existential method of intimidating. It was brave of them to go for a novel wing design that breaks from the bird-bat-insect trio seen across fiction but they still look like they are little off, can't put my finger on it.

The insect wings are a great idea that fits thematically, but I think the shape is off. Fly wings don't have swoopy tips like that. It seems like they tried to split the difference between angelic and insect wings, and they didn't quite hit it either way. Love the model in general, the vid and the above edited pic really sell it.

They look like moth wings to me, like a mix between an Atlas moth or a hawk Moth, just my interpretation though~

 matphat wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:
Mortarions pose is not menacing. Its a childish effort to create something that seems menacing.

From a strictly technical standpoint he actually looks worse in the new pictures due to severe flaws in the sculptors perception of anatomy and the golden cut.

What is your basis for comparison? Could you please show me a sculpt that represents your personal vision of menacing that has proper anatomy? I'm not calling you out, I genuinely want to see better because I love this model.

No offence but if you love this model you probably wouldn't understand anyway. its all about subtlety, knowing what to hide and what to show backed up by perfect structure of the subject body. I am not aware of such a model since most sculptors are inspired by cartoons.



PS: Look at the deathshrouds gauntlet, its a mini plague spitter.

One thing I noticed is that he still has the Death Guard Legion symbol on his knee. Yet none of the Plague Marines have the Legion symbol anymore. I actually wish you could throw some Legion symbols onto the DG models.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Love it. I think they nailed the 'angel of decay' vide that they were (presumably) going for. A more standard pose of walking around swinging his scythe would have been more badass, but the way they went with makes him seem more demonic, like a spectre of death that can't be fought. A more existential method of intimidating. It was brave of them to go for a novel wing design that breaks from the bird-bat-insect trio seen across fiction but they still look like they are little off, can't put my finger on it.

It's probably because they aimed for insect type wings, but gave them curved tip. They are more of an avian shape, but with membrane instead of feathers it just looks weird. Was hoping they would do a 360 on him in the video, but they don't show the back so not sure how easy it will be to replace.


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 Thanatos73 wrote:
One thing I noticed is that he still has the Death Guard Legion symbol on his knee. Yet none of the Plague Marines have the Legion symbol anymore. I actually wish you could throw some Legion symbols onto the DG models.

Probably so the plague marines could be "generic". There might be some bits in the multipart kits for the symbols.

I think they were trying to do something a bit different. Insectile but fleshy, giving them a more organic look than pure bug wings would have. Plus the angel motif. I actually quite like them myself.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Don't think that's Typhus, looks to be the Champion of what was formerly known as the Deathshroud Terminators. In the wide shot with Mortarion behind him, you can see another scythe-wielding Terminator with the same fungal stacks to the right of the tallyman.

 Galas wrote:
About the Terminator of the video

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Here's a re-paint on it, no purple, grungier, maybe some will change their minds a bit, I think the model is solid -

Yep it looks much better there, better when you cannot see the swirly stuff too !!
I am loving the nurglings !







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FudgeDumper wrote:
Mortarions pose is not menacing. Its a childish effort to create something that seems menacing.

From a strictly technical standpoint he actually looks worse in the new pictures due to severe flaws in the sculptors perception of anatomy and the golden cut.

Its chaos man, being anatomically wrong is what its all about, the wings are a perfect example, a warped mix of fly, bird and god knows what else !

Hey look, put Morty in muted colours without the garish purple and he looks pretty darn good.

And how can that Terminator not be Typhus?

Tallyman is interesting. Good to see his abacus has skulls for the counters.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Tallyman is interesting. Good to see his abacus has skulls for the counters.

I kinda want to see about fabricating a tally counter that looks that way now for tracking like command points and kill points and stuff... really have no idea how, but I reaaaaaalllllllly want to.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Tallyman is interesting. Good to see his abacus has skulls for the counters.

I kinda want to see about fabricating a tally counter that looks that way now for tracking like command points and kill points and stuff... really have no idea how, but I reaaaaaalllllllly want to.

Off topic a bit but its really easy with steel rods and some skull beads they sell them at art shops.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Some ropey acting and a quick look/360 of Mortarion

That was great and the model looks good. "Just fudge the numbers"

Warhammer is inherently silly; if you can't make some jokes about something that describes itself as "grimdark" then you probably don't find much to be funny at all.

Loving the new models, will definitely be picking them up when I can. I hope the Tallyman has good rules.

I hope tallyman's parts are easily removed

id love an inquisitorial accountant.

FudgeDumper wrote:
No offence but if you love this model you probably wouldn't understand anyway. its all about subtlety(...)

Oh, the irony.

 matphat wrote:
Anyone who's hating on this new model line just can't be pleased. God GW, you're KILLING me here.

yep ty. these guys just hate EVERYTHING with no reasoning. miserable people. models GREAT

I have Magnus, and was thinking of selling him off as I haven't gotten around to building him.

Now, I'm not so sure, as I really like Mortarion's desgin.

I would love to have some sort of stratagem/ army bonus or whatever they're called if we run all 4 daemon primarchs on the table together (once they get around to Angron and Fulgrim that is).

Some sort of 4 horsemen of the apocalypse type scenario. Heck, maybe let Abaddon join in the fun.

I really do hope that is Typhus speaking. With his lore he is the perfect star scream. And the whole Megatron/Starscream/Soundwave thing going on in this video is amazing!

If that is infact just a regular Termy, it seems weird that he'd talk down to the tallyman, who I'm guessing must be an HQ, or Elite choice. He could be a new lord of contagion model from a kit as well, or just a conversion. Either way, it's a cool model.

I hope we get swarms of flying nurglings!

I love that the tallyman has an abacus and a megaphone, a nice 'chaotic' mix of equipment. I hope we works like Epidimius does for demons (and formerly for anything Nurgly, even enemies), that he buffs all units.

Tallyman adding up stuff on his Abacus thing. Gets on Megaphone. "Hey dudes! We're doin good keep it up bros!"
A cacophony of upbeat farts echo across the battlefield...

Alternatively...

Frantically sliding beads on his Abacus. A piercing feedback breaks through the Megaphone. "Uhh... Guys. We're getting WASHED (derogatory for deathguard) out there!
one lone sad fart squeaks from a nearby Nurgling.

I'm pretty sure that's just a death shroud model isn't it?

38k years into the future and of all things that had to survive...it's the term "fudge the numbers".

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
38k years into the future and of all things that had to survive...it's the term "fudge the numbers".

The Chaos Defeat in Konor is fake news.

 skullking wrote:
I really do hope that is Typhus speaking. With his lore he is the perfect star scream. And the whole Megatron/Starscream/Soundwave thing going on in this video is amazing!

If that is infact just a regular Termy, it seems weird that he'd talk down to the tallyman, who I'm guessing must be an HQ, or Elite choice. He could be a new lord of contagion model from a kit as well, or just a conversion. Either way, it's a cool model.

I hope we get swarms of flying nurglings!

I love that the tallyman has an abacus and a megaphone, a nice 'chaotic' mix of equipment. I hope we works like Epidimius does for demons (and formerly for anything Nurgly, even enemies), that he buffs all units.

Tallyman adding up stuff on his Abacus thing. Gets on Megaphone. "Hey dudes! We're doin good keep it up bros!"
A cacophony of upbeat farts echo across the battlefield...

Alternatively...

Frantically sliding beads on his Abacus. A piercing feedback breaks through the Megaphone. "Uhh... Guys. We're getting WASHED (derogatory for deathguard) out there!
one lone sad fart squeaks from a nearby Nurgling.

For some reason I always read Garro's lines in Cobra Commanders voice.