Lord Kragan wrote: Maybe the battleforce boxes are a test-up to see if they are viable or not. Considering the IJ sold like hot-cakes as well as a few others we MAY see another re-run.
No; the Ironjawz sold really well (I'm surprised, there was lots of people complaining about the gargant), the Sylvaneth sold like cakes from an extremely talented respotry chef.
They are of course viable: make a basic army with two purchases only? that is really convenient and can actually answer what several other companies do with expansions to basic armies.
I do think this boxes could get a re-run easily; many Fantasy miniatures did it, and many people wanted to get some boxes (many of us I'm sure) but for different reasons they couldn't. Certainly they had a great demand, damn, the only boxes that didn't sold out in half of the world are the Khorne Bloodbounds, every other AoS boxes were sold out in just a week.
The only thing we all can do is asking the Battleforces to return via Facebook; not a spam campaing, but a consistent petitioin. If we can't get them as permanent additions, we could still get them every December, or each major vacation.
Osorios wrote: I'm amazed how different the models look with round bases. You wouldn't think that it makes a difference, but it somehow does.
I wonder why they didn't decide to have the box ship out in time for Christmas.
Kid's get cash and vouchers for christmas and go into GW store. They see age of sigmar and decide "WOW, i want to get into that" but they can't afford the big starter box. This is the perfect after christmas "cheap" option for kids to blow their cash on.
(kids including me,...)
Hey, we are all kid in our hearts and parts of our minds, that is a requirement for all of us .
Davor wrote: I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.
I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?
There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.
I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.
Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.
I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.
Binabik15 wrote: I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.
Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.
I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.
That's the thing considering the sylvaneth box got annihilated hell three of the forces are sold out only the khorne one is left. I want to get the spires of dawn box as soon as I can because I know I have a feeling in my bones people are going to blast it.
Davor wrote: I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.
I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?
There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.
Or maybe, just maybe, they are aware some players keep using the square bases and wanted to give more choice for their customers. For free.
Davor wrote: I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.
I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?
There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.
Or maybe they try to please those players that sweared to their patron gods to avenge "muh gaem" and will destroy AoS much like GW destroyed Fantasy.
What do you mean with ranked? competitive games or rows? because for the first you can play with roundbases or proxies, for the second yeah, agree.
Binabik15 wrote: I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.
Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.
I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.
Yeah, I find weird the general bashing the Ironjawz got at release but now they were the second Battleforce to sold out. That ruined me, I wanted to get the 4 AoS boxes for sake of completeness.
You can still get discounts from independet retailers, but not the practical all-in-one box.
shinros wrote: Not sure if this is exactly "news" but I think it's pretty neat.
Right I was just browsing the games work shop store when I came across this.
The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
P.S. ordered already, finally taking the plunge with AoS with a great value starter
The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
Maybe still it's helpful for those who may still play 8th or ninth age.
The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
A very good point. If the round bases do have slots, tho, that might have interesting implications.
The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
A very good point. If the round bases do have slots, tho, that might have interesting implications.
FWIW - just checked on the GW website and if you filter by faction the Spire of Dawn set pops up in:
Clan Moulder, Clan Verminus and Clan Skryre (makes sense, all the models in the set still have rules/models within these factions)
Eldritch Council and Swifthawk Agents - this is the interesting bit for me. Obviously the Archmage and Swordmasters are current EC units. I would guess that the High Warden and Reavers will be designated as SA and the Spireguard as another EC unit - thoughts?
Thanks to a great post on the grand alliance community for pointing this out(Olincay). It's not the greatest book in the world but it does kinda set the stage of what's going on and how life is like for a non chaos follower in a chaos controlled realm.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
GW have been making round slotta bases for over 25 years
Although It will be interesting to see if they provide solid or slotta bases in this set, I would have presumed slotta bases to match the models.
I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.
GW have been making round slotta bases for over 25 years
Although It will be interesting to see if they provide solid or slotta bases in this set, I would have presumed slotta bases to match the models.
As a GW customer since 1988 and a former employee I am well aware they have made round slottabases - BUT the Spire of Dawn set contains the new cavalry ovals for the Reavers and Skaven weapon teams, which have never been made as slottabases and large rounds for the Rat Ogors. Depending on size these may not have existing slottabase rounds (which were uncommon above infantry size).
My point was that I can't see GW tooling molds for 1 or 2 new kinds of base that their new kits will never use going forwards just to put into a rebox with old sprues that they are selling off for a ridiculously cheap price.
(I was going to say all of that in my original post and now wish I had have done to save me having to explain again!)
Chimera_Calvin wrote: BUT the Spire of Dawn set contains the new cavalry ovals for the Reavers and Skaven weapon teams, which have never been made as slottabases and large rounds for the Rat Ogors. Depending on size these may not have existing slottabase rounds (which were uncommon above infantry size).
My point was that I can't see GW tooling molds for 1 or 2 new kinds of base that their new kits will never use going forwards just to put into a rebox with old sprues that they are selling off for a ridiculously cheap price.
Do you really think GW would include 74 extra bases because 7 (old cav based) models would require a little modeling? It just doesnt sound like a reasonable way of going about it, throw in 7 extra cav bases sure but a whole extra set of 74 bases for the entire lot? just doesnt sound right.
I didnt count the ogres as they are 'plug foot' which would need minimal modelling skill to cut off to glue to a round base.
And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.
Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.
From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.
Everyone wins.
I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.
stonehorse wrote: And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.
Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.
From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.
Everyone wins.
I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.
Yup here I thought hey I could get a box for christmas! Yeah... not happening anymore.
I pre-ordered and split with someone else (they wanted Skaven, I don't even collect High Elves! But I guess I will have them for if I do). According to my GW, they weren't supposed to go on pre-order yesterday, they were supposed to go next week but someone goofed and they decided to keep it up (he said he got an email saying it was a mistake). So it sold on on pre-pre-order, a week before it actually was supposed to go on pre-order!
stonehorse wrote:And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.
Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.
From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.
Everyone wins.
I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.
New CEO or using same practices as under producing to so they sell out and create artificial demand? I clearly remember a lot of products selling out under the Kirby regime. So nothing really changing here.
Now if the new CEO is the new Messiah, let's see what he does with Dreadfleet and The Hobbit special edition starter set. Now that will be a true testament to his powers.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
At this point its speculative to say it was artificial since no one really knows the numbers… only thing clear is that they sold out so yeah a hit for GW.
NAVARRO wrote: At this point its speculative to say it was artificial since no one really knows the numbers… only thing clear is that they sold out so yeah a hit for GW.
I was just about to say this, trying to state such things when no one has such information is kinda pointless.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
I think it's sort of a weird parody of actual supply and demand. GW is so afraid that things will either go unsold, end up on eBay for parts, or (gasp!) people will wait and see if goes on sale (see: Recalling Dreadfleet to destroy it rather than put it on sale, lest people think they can just wait a few months and buy a product at discount) that they deliberately produce less than they should and it gets sold out immediately.
Chimera_Calvin wrote: BUT the Spire of Dawn set contains the new cavalry ovals for the Reavers and Skaven weapon teams, which have never been made as slottabases and large rounds for the Rat Ogors. Depending on size these may not have existing slottabase rounds (which were uncommon above infantry size).
My point was that I can't see GW tooling molds for 1 or 2 new kinds of base that their new kits will never use going forwards just to put into a rebox with old sprues that they are selling off for a ridiculously cheap price.
Do you really think GW would include 74 extra bases because 7 (old cav based) models would require a little modeling? It just doesnt sound like a reasonable way of going about it, throw in 7 extra cav bases sure but a whole extra set of 74 bases for the entire lot? just doesnt sound right.
I didnt count the ogres as they are 'plug foot' which would need minimal modelling skill to cut off to glue to a round base.
Yeah, to me that seems like something they'd do. It's a matter of completeness; chances are the people who put some models on squares are going to want all models on squares, so why not include them for a what is probably less than $1 per box. Plus I'd guess they have square slot bases to get rid of as things move to round.
I've seen a few people on Facebook say that their store managers told them that it was accidentally put up for pre-order a week early, so they took it down, hence why it says out of stock now. So there may well be more next weekend.
we may all just be overestimating how many units they can produce in a given time
for example the latest D6 generation podcast was talking to steamforged games about their darksouls game and their factory (one of the larger Chinese ones) can only do 10,000 units per month (doing nothing else at all)
so it's probably harder than you imagine for GW to find time to product lots of units of anything new (where they'll have to build up stock) alongside all the normal production work they'll be doing to keep their normal stock levels up
the more stock they build up the slower the releases have to be and the longer in advance they have to plan them
for example the latest D6 generation podcast was talking to steamforged games about their darksouls game and their factory (one of the larger Chinese ones) can only do 10,000 units per month (doing nothing else at all)
so it's probably harder than you imagine for GW to find time to product lots of units of anything new (where they'll have to build up stock) alongside all the normal production work they'll be doing to keep their normal stock levels up
the more stock they build up the slower the releases have to be and the longer in advance they have to plan them
I would take that as a reason except that only recently (as in the past few years) have things gone up for order and been sold out almost immediately on pre-order, before even becoming available for purchase in stores. GW in ages past never seemed to have any problem at all with stock.
I was tempted to wait for 20% off on retail, but it was flying of the site, and i could pick up at a store and save shipping, so i did it.
Funny enough, us store seems to have it in stock up to now, so i dont think it is sold out in other places because they pulled it off for next week.
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ImAGeek wrote: I've seen a few people on Facebook say that their store managers told them that it was accidentally put up for pre-order a week early, so they took it down, hence why it says out of stock now. So there may well be more next weekend.
it still selling on us, and rest of the world store. So i dont think thats the case.
sadysaneto wrote: I was tempted to wait for 20% off on retail, but it was flying of the site, and i could pick up at a store and save shipping, so i did it.
Funny enough, us store seems to have it in stock up to now, so i dont think it is sold out in other places because they pulled it off for next week.
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ImAGeek wrote: I've seen a few people on Facebook say that their store managers told them that it was accidentally put up for pre-order a week early, so they took it down, hence why it says out of stock now. So there may well be more next weekend.
it still selling on us, and rest of the world store. So i dont think thats the case.
It's sold out in the US, and the rest of the world, but it is still up in a couple of places (Australia and New Zealand for example).
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
And did you just admitted GW doesn't produce enough on purpose? I wouldn't be calling this conservatively at all. Let's call it for what it is, and under produced on purpose.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
This. It's not like GW can magically produce stuff on a whim. Smart production is in volume, to minimize unsold stock. Ideally, you make 1 massive batch which instantly sells out, except for1 unit that takes a couple days to clear. Like GW M2O.
Maximum sale, minimum turn, minimum hold = optimal cash flow, revenue & profit.
for example the latest D6 generation podcast was talking to steamforged games about their darksouls game and their factory (one of the larger Chinese ones) can only do 10,000 units per month (doing nothing else at all)
so it's probably harder than you imagine for GW to find time to product lots of units of anything new (where they'll have to build up stock) alongside all the normal production work they'll be doing to keep their normal stock levels up
the more stock they build up the slower the releases have to be and the longer in advance they have to plan them
I would take that as a reason except that only recently (as in the past few years) have things gone up for order and been sold out almost immediately on pre-order, before even becoming available for purchase in stores. GW in ages past never seemed to have any problem at all with stock.
Keep in mind that the release pace is much faster now than it was in ages past. It stands to reason that this would put a crunch on production, especially given the costs of expanding said production.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
And did you just admitted GW doesn't produce enough on purpose? I wouldn't be calling this conservatively at all. Let's call it for what it is, and under produced on purpose.
I am not saying this tactic is bad or anything.
Can you explain this? He gave a reason for why GW would produce less and be surprised by it selling out, which is an argument against them under-producing to drive demand. Further, without any numbers there is no basis here to make that claim other than pure speculation, so I'm not seeing where you are getting the reasoning from. Its coming across as just being cynical.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
And did you just admitted GW doesn't produce enough on purpose? I wouldn't be calling this conservatively at all. Let's call it for what it is, and under produced on purpose.
I am not saying this tactic is bad or anything.
The myth of companies undershipping to create hype is a frustratingly reoccurring myth. When a company makes a product like this it is not just production that costs.
They need to think about shipping, the cost of storage and shelf space in the stores. Honestly this is the biggest issue.
GW have been a huge volume of large boxed products recently. Many stores are very small with limited space. There are 12 more boxes at least in January. They need to clear the space.
In this case it is much more simple. When warhammer finished they recalled all the left over starters. They even bought back stock from the independent stores. I imagine these sets are simply all the reboxed starters. That is also why they include the square bases as they are already all there.
Not a myth at all. Thing is, you believe what you want to believe, I will believe what I want to believe. Don't agree with me, fine, but don't try and change my opinion unless you have actual facts.
Your facts are just like mine. Useless facts with no proof. I can counter what you said with just as much as useless facts so let's forget about this and agree to disagree.
Davor wrote: Not a myth at all. Thing is, you believe what you want to believe, I will believe what I want to believe. Don't agree with me, fine, but don't try and change my opinion unless you have actual facts.
Your facts are just like mine. Useless facts with no proof. I can counter what you said with just as much as useless facts so let's forget about this and agree to disagree.
You always either under or overproduce when you make something before people by it. Hitting the exact number is largely impossible, and underproducing is cheaper and has more tools for cost mitigation.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.
Shockingly they didn't have a problem with The Hobbit special edition and Dreadfleet to produce so much. So yeah, that is not an issue.
Which kind of explains why they produce conservatively, doesn't it?
And did you just admitted GW doesn't produce enough on purpose? I wouldn't be calling this conservatively at all. Let's call it for what it is, and under produced on purpose.
I am not saying this tactic is bad or anything.
The myth of companies undershipping to create hype is a frustratingly reoccurring myth. When a company makes a product like this it is not just production that costs.
They need to think about shipping, the cost of storage and shelf space in the stores. Honestly this is the biggest issue.
GW have been a huge volume of large boxed products recently. Many stores are very small with limited space. There are 12 more boxes at least in January. They need to clear the space.
In this case it is much more simple. When warhammer finished they recalled all the left over starters. They even bought back stock from the independent stores. I imagine these sets are simply all the reboxed starters. That is also why they include the square bases as they are already all there.
Well why would you rebox stuff, if your clearing it out. Some Warhammer products like State Troops still come in the Warhammer boxes. Why not white boxes? Also this was a pre-order, why the hell would you pre-order stuff that you are going to clearout?
We all know that "Island of Blood" was still selling, when they pulled the plug.
I really like to believe that GW, finnaly starts to understand, that promoting one kind of play ( skirmish with round bases ), wil[/img]l loose them customers.
I guess, if this was a clearance it could have gone to "Last Chance to Buy" with Warhammer box art.
One more thing:
Just read the last line: IN STORES SOON
Would go through the trouble of reboxing a product and putting them on the selfs of your stores, when you are clearing it out? Why wouldnt you just leave it in the warehouse and send it out via post.
Island of Blood is here to stay people, with optional square bases.
Davor wrote: Not a myth at all. Thing is, you believe what you want to believe, I will believe what I want to believe. Don't agree with me, fine, but don't try and change my opinion unless you have actual facts.
Your facts are just like mine. Useless facts with no proof. I can counter what you said with just as much as useless facts so let's forget about this and agree to disagree.
That argument doesn't work when your opinion differs from the established baseline. There is no evidence to believe that the situation is not the most simple answer of demand exceeding supply, making that the most valid assumption. Further 'we all have an opinion so yours and mine cancel out' is the classic argument of someone who wants to avoid admitting that the logic goes against their position. That's fine, but please don't try to undermine our position by saying it has no backing.
Davor wrote: Not a myth at all. Thing is, you believe what you want to believe, I will believe what I want to believe. Don't agree with me, fine, but don't try and change my opinion unless you have actual facts.
Your facts are just like mine. Useless facts with no proof. I can counter what you said with just as much as useless facts so let's forget about this and agree to disagree.
That argument doesn't work when your opinion differs from the established baseline. There is no evidence to believe that the situation is not the most simple answer of demand exceeding supply, making that the most valid assumption. Further 'we all have an opinion so yours and mine cancel out' is the classic argument of someone who wants to avoid admitting that the logic goes against their position. That's fine, but please don't try to undermine our position by saying it has no backing.
I am not undermining your position. Again, agree to disagree. Nobody has proven anything here. Most valid assumption is the world is flat. Or the sun revolves around the earth. We now know how that turned out to be. Just because my opinion "differs from the established baseline" doesn't mean I am wrong anymore that it means I am correct.
No, but all rational evidence suggests that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
GW wants to make money by selling toys, simple as that. They would far rather just collect dollars than to have people wait for another production batch. Especially during the hyper-competitive X-mas holiday season when everybody else is trying to take their dollars.
Now, if you can demonstrate how this supposed hype translates into more spend a couple months from now, after the X-mas season is over, I'd love to hear it.
Otherwise, you are once again making stuff up with no basis in even the most basic of marketing and sales.
Eh, we don't have to assume malice in this scenario when it's entirely likely that GW is just really bad at estimating how many boxes they should make.
TheWaspinator wrote: Eh, we don't have to assume malice in this scenario when it's entirely likely that GW is just really bad at estimating how many boxes they should make.
Its not that simple.
Lets look at freight as an example. Lets say 5000 SoD boxes fit into a 40' container. Do they order 4000 SoD and pay the same freight cost? do they order 5000 and maximize the volume in the container? Do they order 6000, fill a 40' container and then put the next 1000 in a LCL (Less than Container Load) which costs more per unit or do they order 10000 (2 containers) and have the extra sit in a warehouse waiting to be sold.
The smart money is on filling a 40' container to minimize freight cost/unit with guaranteed immediate sales and stock rotation.
Sales might be screaming 'but we can sell 6000!' but finance will be saying 'lets sell 5000 first and see how we go from there'
And thats just the freight side of the argument, that doesnt take into account storage of unsold stock (if they over order), etc etc.
TheWaspinator wrote: Eh, we don't have to assume malice in this scenario when it's entirely likely that GW is just really bad at estimating how many boxes they should make.
Its not that simple.
Lets look at freight as an example. Lets say 5000 SoD boxes fit into a 40' container. Do they order 4000 SoD and pay the same freight cost? do they order 5000 and maximize the volume in the container? Do they order 6000, fill a 40' container and then put the next 1000 in a LCL (Less than Container Load) which costs more per unit or do they order 10000 (2 containers) and have the extra sit in a warehouse waiting to be sold.
The smart money is on filling a 40' container to minimize freight cost/unit with guaranteed immediate sales and stock rotation.
Sales might be screaming 'but we can sell 6000!' but finance will be saying 'lets sell 5000 first and see how we go from there'
And thats just the freight side of the argument, that doesnt take into account storage of unsold stock (if they over order), etc etc.
For the most part neither of these things are a significant issue for GW.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is no evidence to believe that the situation is not the most simple answer of demand exceeding supply, making that the most valid assumption.
In which case it would be most sensible option for GW to produce more. If you can sell 1000 it makes most sense to produce 1000 rather than 100. Especially in case of plastic models that a) are dirt cheap to produce b) moulds are largest expense so the more sprues you sell the bigger profit those moulds generate.
This quick sold out pace indicates clearly there's demand for them so not producing more is just burning cash. And it's not like it was unexpected speed of being sold out...
For the most part neither of these things are a significant issue for GW.
Feel free to enlighten us with your insider information of the situation so we all may be blessed by your knowledge
Nothing insider about it. Most of GW's product is manufactured on their own site and stored on their own site, so freighting costs only apply to product sent to overseas depots, and storage costs are irrelevant as they're already sunk costs.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is no evidence to believe that the situation is not the most simple answer of demand exceeding supply, making that the most valid assumption.
In which case it would be most sensible option for GW to produce more. If you can sell 1000 it makes most sense to produce 1000 rather than 100. Especially in case of plastic models that a) are dirt cheap to produce b) moulds are largest expense so the more sprues you sell the bigger profit those moulds generate.
This quick sold out pace indicates clearly there's demand for them so not producing more is just burning cash. And it's not like it was unexpected speed of being sold out...
The idea is that they underestimated demand, it's not like they knew exactly what it would be ahead of time. If they were basing things off sales of Island.of Blood before it was discontinued then I can totally see how they would vastly underestimate things.
24 minutes ago, AoS page on Facebook:
'Well, that went fast...
You guys must really like those Skaven and Highborn models, because that set sold out in less than a day. Don't worry, we're making more, so none of you need to miss out on getting a set.
Select 'Email Me' to get an email notification as soon as it's back in stock. https://goo.gl/Shjhj1'
That being the case, I can sleep like a baby. I can just suggest them to re-release the Battleforces next December or maybe each time there is a campaing/season, or maybe even Made to Order!
This was a cool idea, those are some great models. I got the Island of Blood when it first came out but ended up selling everything and just keeping the mini rulebook.. but they were fun to build. I was gonna start a skaven army at the time, but changed my mind (as usual). I'd love to see em bring back Skull's Pass the same way, I could always use more goblinses.
This release feels very confusing.
I have the Elves from 2 IoB boxes, and bought lots of phoenix guard and silverhelms just before it was apparent "the end times" was actually happening.
Most of it stayed unbuilt as the whole AoS thing unfolded, and when most of the IoB units didnt even make it to the grand alliance compendium, I had pretty much given up on the high elves.
Now this.
I cant help it feeling like a mockery, like barely healed wounds opened up again. I really like the high elves, we go way back.
Now distrust and cynisism instead of the exitement I had from building those lovely sylvaneth.
What are they trying to accomplish with this release? Bring new life in to an old beloved range, or just sell the lasting stock of a range they really try to bury.
that post makes no sense fayric.
everything has always had a warscroll even if it was legacy. if theyre reprinting it theyre obviously not trying to get rid of old stock...
SaJeel wrote: Thats awesome =D, I glad they are communicating so well, Also hoping they will have expansion sets for it.
I wouldn't call it communicating well. If that was the case, GW would have eased the fears of Sisters of Battles with their great communication. Well, is not deserved. At least they are communicating.
shinros wrote: Honestly I am just waiting for a Death release my vampire lord is starting to feel a little sad. Maybe possibly new zombies as well.
Oh well it's good that they are going to do more, in the end it can only benefit GW since AOS, 8th and 9th age players will pick up the box.
Haha, indeed, hopefully Death gets some love in the near future. Nagash certainly isn't lacking for bodies to work with now that the summer campaign and All-gates war is over.
SaJeel wrote: For a large company, making a statement within 24 hours of a product selling out is good communication in my book
For some, GW can do no right and there's always some (often unrelated) slight they can call on. I think they're communicating well in the case of IOB/SOD. hm, slightly unfortunate acronym... (off, Bryan Ansell?) Those models are very nice ones as well for the most part (some of the Skaven are a bit sketchy, while some are awesome), but the High Elves are across-the-board lovely, and the price point is excellent.
I have 150 of those Skaven as slaves and another 150 as Clanrats. Given how low cost the IOB Skaven were back when IOB was the box set, it was an amazing value.
SaJeel wrote: For a large company, making a statement within 24 hours of a product selling out is good communication in my book
For some, GW can do no right and there's always some (often unrelated) slight they can call on. I think they're communicating well in the case of IOB/SOD. hm, slightly unfortunate acronym... (off, Bryan Ansell?) Those models are very nice ones as well for the most part (some of the Skaven are a bit sketchy, while some are awesome), but the High Elves are across-the-board lovely, and the price point is excellent.
Agreed, some people will stop at nothing to make themselves unhappy and that extends to AoS as well.
At any rate, I'm happy that GW got a response out so quickly to confirm that this ISNT a limited release. I was looking to get one maybe next month but would have been out of luck otherwise.
Around the Eye of Terror, and across the Mortal Realms, the fabric of reality thins and the greatest beasts of chaos stir behind the veil.
You Chaos fans out there have a had pretty good December so far, and it’s about to get better, because the Exalted Bloodthirster of Khorne will soon be rejoining the fight. These winged behemoths took a brief time-out from the battles on the mortal planes, while our warp-smith artificers re-consecrated their daemonic moulds, but they will soon be back to wreak violent mayhem on all who stand before them.
To mark the occasion, and since so many of you have asked about it, we set our rules writers the task of creating Warscrolls to let you use this Exalted Greater Daemon in your Warhammer Age of Sigmar games.
These are being worked on right now, and will be with you very soon…
New warscroll to be released with it. I'm hoping they do this for all four of their greater daemons (make them 'Exalted'). Especially an Exalted Keeper of Seekers.
As for GW can do no right, for me they have done a lot correct. I have spent a lot of money (well at least a lot for me) on GW in 2016 than I have in the last 5 years or so. So this has nothing to do with GW can do no right. What I find funny is the reason what I said so, is left ignored. I guess we can say, GW can do no wrong. Case in point.
SaJeel wrote:For a large company, making a statement within 24 hours of a product selling out is good communication in my book
And where is the communication within 24 hours when a portion of the community is freaking out over a potential product going on sale to clam their fears?
This has nothing to do with GW can never do no wrong. Just like it's not GW can't do no wrong. I just found it so weird someone would praise a company for something that should be done, not that they actually do it now, and if they are actually doing it, why are they not doing it all the time and only once in a while? Yes GW is FINALLY communicating. But them doing it well? That is a lot to be said about that.
But as there will always be "those people that GW can do no right" there will be "those people where GW can do no wrong". See I can point and shame just like some other people did.
Our Made to Order service has already brought back dozens of Warhammer 40,000 miniatures, and soon, Warhammer Age of Sigmar will get its turn.
So we want to know: what would you like to see?
We’re looking for suggestions for any older models for factions within the Grand Alliance: Order book - Aelfs, Free Peoples, Seraphon, Sylvaneth, Duardin - whatever. If there are any models for those armies that are out of production, but you would still like to add to your force, let us know, and we’ll see what we can do.
Davor wrote: As for GW can do no right, for me they have done a lot correct. I have spent a lot of money (well at least a lot for me) on GW in 2016 than I have in the last 5 years or so. So this has nothing to do with GW can do no right. What I find funny is the reason what I said so, is left ignored. I guess we can say, GW can do no wrong. Case in point.
SaJeel wrote:For a large company, making a statement within 24 hours of a product selling out is good communication in my book
And where is the communication within 24 hours when a portion of the community is freaking out over a potential product going on sale to clam their fears?
This has nothing to do with GW can never do no wrong. Just like it's not GW can't do no wrong. I just found it so weird someone would praise a company for something that should be done, not that they actually do it now, and if they are actually doing it, why are they not doing it all the time and only once in a while? Yes GW is FINALLY communicating. But them doing it well? That is a lot to be said about that.
But as there will always be "those people that GW can do no right" there will be "those people where GW can do no wrong". See I can point and shame just like some other people did.
It was a weekend. They can't say, 'don't worry it will be coming back' without knowing for certain that there is production capacity/existing stocks to do so. That they responded on the next working day is about as good as you can ever get.
Just as GW send out this post, the entire Bretonnia population appears on the distant hill.
I really do wonder if GW have anything planned for the knight aesthetic in AoS, it's a staple of fantasy, tbh I imagine free people from the Realm of Life would take up a Bretonnian like existence, would fit them well.
shinros wrote: Nice this would be a good time for Bretonnia players to get their hands on some stuff, for whatever game they play.
I second that! I have not stepped into AoS yet, and I am just waiting for Brets to appear. GW is missing a golden op here, there's $$$$$$$$$ being left on the table right now because Brets haven't been touched yet.
If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
There are some unrealesed Bretonnian figures in the hands of GW. Actually there was suppose to be a starter set, which included Bretonnians for 9th edition.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
There are some unrealesed Bretonnian figures in the hands of GW. Actually there was suppose to be a starter set, which included Bretonnians for 9th edition.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Except they're now likely to be Knights of the Free People etc, etc.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Why would it not surprise you? Is Bretonnia's overwhelming popularity simply oblivious to GW? Have they just been building the hype for the past 13 years and skipping them in 3 editions entirely? Get ready!! Here comes surprise Bretonnians..
GW can't make money off french history, so they're gone. That's the grim truth that really needs to be accepted about the Old World.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Why would it not surprise you? Is Bretonnia's overwhelming popularity simply oblivious to GW? Have they just been building the hype for the past 13 years and skipping them in 3 editions entirely? Get ready!! Here comes surprise Bretonnians..
GW can't make money off french history, so they're gone. That's the grim truth that really needs to be accepted about the Old World.
Not Brets specifically, but as unmercifulconker said, the Knight aesthetic is a staple of fantasy scenarios. While AoS has gone more comic book fantasy than high fantasy, many people would still expect to see dudes in armor on horseback, duelling with sword and lance. Probably not the same story, obviously, but the fantasy is a spot waiting to be filled.
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Why would it not surprise you? Is Bretonnia's overwhelming popularity simply oblivious to GW? Have they just been building the hype for the past 13 years and skipping them in 3 editions entirely? Get ready!! Here comes surprise Bretonnians..
GW can't make money off french history, so they're gone. That's the grim truth that really needs to be accepted about the Old World.
This mythical rubbish needs to die off asap. Plenty of companies make money from "generic" fantasy tropes, hell plenty of companies make money from IPs that are entirely Public Domain - GW's business choices are behind the decline of WHFB as a system, not the WHF setting. GW neglected and then killed the gateway skirmish game. GW changed the rules to encourage ever larger unit sizes, then compounded that decision by making dual-kits that contained line infantry with an elite unit alternate build and sold them at elite unit prices and box sizes. GW introduced tonal inconsistencies into the background because their need for relentless catastrofiction to flog giant plastic kits didn't work with the setting as-was. GW stopped supporting events. GW rolled back their support for clubs. GW made huge chunks of the range Direct Only, preventing even retailers who wanted to from cultivating a local WHFB scene since players couldn't even buy a complete army through their FLGS.
Not one of those problems required a new setting to fix.
The setting shift was a product of three things; GW's ongoing utter failure to understand IP law(because anyone who thinks AoS is somehow more protected than WHF was is having a laugh); GW's desire to push Land Marines as a low-effort sales boost; and a group of people at the design studio who've simply been around for too long, who got bored with WHF and rather than pass on the reigns to new folk who still had passion for the setting, they chose to tear down their old work like a hungover pretentious artiste slashing limply at the previous day's paintings with a butter knife as they grope aimlessly for another bottle of wine.
If they want to shuffle a few Knights of Bretonnian origins into one of the new human factions, then by all means let them if it means we see some new things get released!
Requizen wrote: If the call for Brets in made to order is loud enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see new knightly sculpts by 2018 (given production time and what not). If they're not in the works already.
Just pondering, though.
It would not surprise me if GW have new bret's somewhere deep in the development studio.
Why would it not surprise you? Is Bretonnia's overwhelming popularity simply oblivious to GW? Have they just been building the hype for the past 13 years and skipping them in 3 editions entirely? Get ready!! Here comes surprise Bretonnians..
GW can't make money off french history, so they're gone. That's the grim truth that really needs to be accepted about the Old World.
Not Brets specifically, but as unmercifulconker said, the Knight aesthetic is a staple of fantasy scenarios. While AoS has gone more comic book fantasy than high fantasy, many people would still expect to see dudes in armor on horseback, duelling with sword and lance. Probably not the same story, obviously, but the fantasy is a spot waiting to be filled.
Indeed I should of been more clear I think devoted of sigmar are going to get that when they get a battle tome at some point. They just fit the whole "crusading" theme in the grand alliance order book it's noted after the stormcast take a realm gate they come in to well... "cleanse" the land restore the sigmarite faith and well we all know how warrior priests and Flagellants do that right?
They would not give the devoted of sigmar a whole new hero model if they were not going to do anything with it I am not sure if we can take anything they say on facebook seriously but when asked about seeing "more" of them GW pretty much said Soon TM. As someone who also does an army of them all they are missing gameplay wise is heavy infantry and some cavalry.
Plus I think they fit the more "High" fantasy shtick GW are going with for AOS.
unmercifulconker wrote: Just as GW send out this post, the entire Bretonnia population appears on the distant hill.
I really do wonder if GW have anything planned for the knight aesthetic in AoS, it's a staple of fantasy, tbh I imagine free people from the Realm of Life would take up a Bretonnian like existence, would fit them well.
In Hammers of Sigmar a brief mention is made in the realm of fire of a chaos general defeating a army of 3000 knights who have a sacred river and are part of several kingdoms still resisting chaos.
So yeah, Bretonnia can pretty much pop up anywhere at this point once Free People are properly introduced.
There's also the high elves Order Draconis which has knights riding around the mortal realm using only horse and blade to fight of chaos and rally defeated kingdoms and tribes.
Not to mention the Azyrheim Lancehost which is a army out of Sigmar's realm which is composed of human, Aelf and Stormcast cavalry.
GW just needs to give the okay for the models and novels because the setting is filled with heroic knights already.
I think I came to understand why I would like to see a Bretonnian-like faction in Age of Sigmar while playing some WoW a while back. In it, there's the normal fantasy world (Azeroth) and then one world (Outland) with all the funky things like mushroom trees and floating rocks over abysmal chasms.
As cool as I think the Stormcast Eternals are, I would love to see their interactions with the "normal" people played out more on the battlefield.
How cool would it be to have a scenario, for example, in which normal humans in their more generic fantasy setting (forests, castles) are fighting chaos streaming forth from a realmgate/portal which is represented by totally different scenery with stormcast eternals sacrificing themselves to close the gate from the other side?
Yodhrin, as someone coming out of a relatioship with a painter and a dislike of nuking the Warhammer world I just had to exalt your post
I'd love Brets or even Empire/"Freeguild" knight making a big comeback. Pegasus knights (and those poor disfigured Demigryphs) were something not everyone liked, but they show how GW can add "special" knights to human cavalry armies. They can build on that for their cherished small units of huge things look, but a setting without human knights riding horses can't be good Fantasy. There, I said it. Disagree, but a hero on horseback is way to iconic (and more badass than someone riding a chubby lizzard with twisted feet) to ignore IMO.
And without a horse on the fiels to compare to a Juggernaught or Goregrunta or one of those demon steeds are less monstrous looking.
The writing was kind of on the wall for Brets after Nigel left and 6th turned them into peasant-whipping taskmaster caricatures (granted, from a different sort of caricature in 5th) and nobody on the team seemed excited about them, sadly.
PS: just incoherently ranting becaue I can't expand my 1500ish points Bretonnians without ebay.
I think anyone hoping for a release for their old WFB army is likely to be disappointed, I just don't think that's the way AoS is going to work. We'll be looking at new re-invented subfactions from here on out as GW look to expand the universe in a way that matches the new aesthetic rather than reviving the old fantasy armies. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the post AoS factions don't get left at one release as it seems all new all the time is the way they are going as a company now rather than the replacing of sculpts and expansion of existing armies that used to happen every release
Support for AOs seems really bad recently. When was the last real release? Sylvaneth in July???
I know we're supposed to get Arcanites soon, and Dwarves afterward, but they really need to step up the release schedule if they want to make the game interesting
Current speculation is that there was a holdup on the Tzeentch stuff, but who knows.
It's been 40k time, though, and I kind of understand it. When we had those AoS releases with TGH, Sylvaneth, Beastclaw, and Bonesplittaz in quick succession, 40k players were saying basically the same thing. They need to focus on balancing it a bit more, though.
That's how releases are looking to me; beginning of year AoS with 40k filler, end of the year 40k with AoS filler.
Which is fine by me as it gives my wallet a breather. (Lord have pity on me if I get into the 40k, though)
@Cromagz, I definitely agree and hope for that. New armies and expanded lore can only be for the better.
I'm have a mixed feeling of how long it's going to take to release the Free People. On one hand new humans would bring in alot of on the fence players as it's a relatable army that shows the setting does have heroic regular humans in it.
On the otherhand, there's just so much they can do with the Free People that it'd be a real shame if they rushed their release in any way amd came out as a bland army. More time and work means a greater quality.
Osorios wrote: I think I came to understand why I would like to see a Bretonnian-like faction in Age of Sigmar while playing some WoW a while back. In it, there's the normal fantasy world (Azeroth) and then one world (Outland) with all the funky things like mushroom trees and floating rocks over abysmal chasms.
As cool as I think the Stormcast Eternals are, I would love to see their interactions with the "normal" people played out more on the battlefield.
How cool would it be to have a scenario, for example, in which normal humans in their more generic fantasy setting (forests, castles) are fighting chaos streaming forth from a realmgate/portal which is represented by totally different scenery with stormcast eternals sacrificing themselves to close the gate from the other side?
That's the thing that kills interest in AoS for me. Their had been no room in the setting for normal people and fantasy races to do anything.
When chaos warriors are the most relatable faction you messed up. Everything has been focused on these immortal spirit things in armour.
Well first, Stormcast aren't immortal spirits. They're flesh and blood humans made bigger and stronger by Sigmar's power. (Kinda like mini-ogres. Ogres themselves were thought to be the Old Ones answer to chaos, being powerful and taint resistant, but were only half-completed.)
Secondly the fantasy races and humans have been doing stuff in the background. I'll be posting the Grand Order book pics shortly in the "AoS lore" thread so you can see some examples there.
Then there's the Summer campaign, of course, which had non-Stormcast forces hold the three cities.
Stormcast are easy to describe. They are fallen warriors Valkyried by Sigmar, armored by grungni, aenarioned by uh, Sigmar? They are fantasy Pax Swiss Guard with lightning hammers instead of FORCE rifles or whatever.
Baron Klatz wrote: Well first, Stormcast aren't immortal spirits. They're flesh and blood humans made bigger and stronger by Sigmar's power. (Kinda like mini-ogres. Ogres themselves were thought to be the Old Ones answer to chaos, being powerful and taint resistant, but were only half-completed.)
Secondly the fantasy races and humans have been doing stuff in the background. I'll be posting the Grand Order book pics shortly in the "AoS lore" thread so you can see some examples there.
Then there's the Summer campaign, of course, which had non-Stormcast forces hold the three cities.
Requizen wrote: Current speculation is that there was a holdup on the Tzeentch stuff, but who knows.
It's been 40k time, though, and I kind of understand it. When we had those AoS releases with TGH, Sylvaneth, Beastclaw, and Bonesplittaz in quick succession, 40k players were saying basically the same thing. They need to focus on balancing it a bit more, though.
Yup. The balance of releases since the launch of AOS has been poor. Too much time on Stormcast and Khorne, then just a week each for sylvaneth and ironjawz, then 5 months and counting without a new battletome. If they moved deathwatch forward and then put the two destruction battletomes in the middle it would be a bit better. Hopefully they can plan next year a bit more carefully.
terry wrote: The exalted stats seem a bit inspirationless, the slaanesh one just has more wounds, a better save and more attacks. No new abilities or anything
Nurgle too. I think they all are? Pretty lame, imo.
unmercifulconker wrote: Just as GW send out this post, the entire Bretonnia population appears on the distant hill.
I really do wonder if GW have anything planned for the knight aesthetic in AoS, it's a staple of fantasy, tbh I imagine free people from the Realm of Life would take up a Bretonnian like existence, would fit them well.
In Hammers of Sigmar a brief mention is made in the realm of fire of a chaos general defeating a army of 3000 knights who have a sacred river and are part of several kingdoms still resisting chaos.
So yeah, Bretonnia can pretty much pop up anywhere at this point once Free People are properly introduced.
There's also the high elves Order Draconis which has knights riding around the mortal realm using only horse and blade to fight of chaos and rally defeated kingdoms and tribes.
Not to mention the Azyrheim Lancehost which is a army out of Sigmar's realm which is composed of human, Aelf and Stormcast cavalry.
GW just needs to give the okay for the models and novels because the setting is filled with heroic knights already.
unmercifulconker wrote: Just as GW send out this post, the entire Bretonnia population appears on the distant hill.
I really do wonder if GW have anything planned for the knight aesthetic in AoS, it's a staple of fantasy, tbh I imagine free people from the Realm of Life would take up a Bretonnian like existence, would fit them well.
In Hammers of Sigmar a brief mention is made in the realm of fire of a chaos general defeating a army of 3000 knights who have a sacred river and are part of several kingdoms still resisting chaos.
So yeah, Bretonnia can pretty much pop up anywhere at this point once Free People are properly introduced.
There's also the high elves Order Draconis which has knights riding around the mortal realm using only horse and blade to fight of chaos and rally defeated kingdoms and tribes.
Not to mention the Azyrheim Lancehost which is a army out of Sigmar's realm which is composed of human, Aelf and Stormcast cavalry.
GW just needs to give the okay for the models and novels because the setting is filled with heroic knights already.
What do you think about the guys in the (mid of the) background of the first picture? Are those Tzaangor as well? They look a tad different (even though the blur makes it hard to see)...
SKR.HH wrote: What do you think about the guys in the (mid of the) background of the first picture? Are those Tzaangor as well? They look a tad different (even though the blur makes it hard to see)...
They are. I think they use staffs or a variant of 2-handed weapons.
SKR.HH wrote: What do you think about the guys in the (mid of the) background of the first picture? Are those Tzaangor as well? They look a tad different (even though the blur makes it hard to see)...
They are. I think they use staffs or a variant of 2-handed weapons.
Well, I was expecting that they release the Tzaangor with the same sprues as the Thousand Sons ones (minues the chain swords) and I'm not able to identify all weapons (--> one Looks like he is wielding a spear which I can't identify in the sprue pictures)...
SKR.HH wrote: What do you think about the guys in the (mid of the) background of the first picture? Are those Tzaangor as well? They look a tad different (even though the blur makes it hard to see)...
They are. I think they use staffs or a variant of 2-handed weapons.
Well, I was expecting that they release the Tzaangor with the same sprues as the Thousand Sons ones (minues the chain swords) and I'm not able to identify all weapons (--> one Looks like he is wielding a spear which I can't identify in the sprue pictures)...
I'm guessing they'll have a different extra sprue then (more substantial than the 40k one probably).
This will be a stupidly strong army, mark my words. Tzeentch getting a full discipline? Fast dudes on discs? Tzeentch Daemons are already great, this will be a massive boost to the god of Change.
Yeah someone who was watching the stream said this would be a "new" take on battletomes. I mean hell beastmen and humans are mixed together and I suspect daemons will be in as well.
Also slaves to darkness should benefit since they can be marked by tzeentch. I suspect this is the reason why Death has not been done yet since they suffer similar problems to tzeentch.
I was just debating what army I was going to collect next year. Almost ordered some Ironjawz after I saw the 40k stuff and assumed it would be heavily 40K for the first part of 2017, and this news drops.
Actually as much as I'm a Nurgle guy maybe I'll see about starting 1000 of these guys. I really like the Ogroid Thaumaturge already and the new disc riders look sick.
Requizen wrote: Actually as much as I'm a Nurgle guy maybe I'll see about starting 1000 of these guys. I really like the Ogroid Thaumaturge already and the new disc riders look sick.
Also he has a goatee in the image where he is melting the stormcast eternal. Honestly I am going to start this army tzeentch was my first introduction to warhammer.
Requizen wrote: Actually as much as I'm a Nurgle guy maybe I'll see about starting 1000 of these guys. I really like the Ogroid Thaumaturge already and the new disc riders look sick.
Nooooo. Stay on the path of life-death-decay-life! Change: not even once!
That vulture would look way better in muddy colours and attached to a Nurgle model, too I will haave to liberate one or two from the evil master of lies.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
With the second edition of the general handbook coming out next year we will see the direction the game will go down towards many people going by the facebook post have problems how battleline is handled with certain factions like Death and tzeentch being the main offenders along with summoning and magic and lack of synergy. They want things to be more "Open". I can easily see them folding in the wanderer's with the sylvaneth(example) if the theories are true that it's going to be a "tzeentch" allegiance book. Since it's called "Disciplines of tzeentch" it's a very open term instead of "Tzeentch Arcanites" I feel.
You have humans, beastmen and possibly(high likely) daemons together in one book. Along with the slaves to darkness exploiting that I mean chaos warriors marked with khorne can still benefit from the newer khorne blood bound abilities and your slave to darkness wizard will most likely adore the spell lores coming in this book.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
Considering that the Silver Tower acolyte's throw warp flames, and are boosted in that by having a Sorcerer nearby, they are pretty different.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
Considering that the Silver Tower acolyte's throw warp flames, and are boosted in that by having a Sorcerer nearby, they are pretty different.
Maybe I'm not articulating my point. I want more units like the Kairoc Acolytes. Here is what I mean:
Khorne Bloodbound is the tome for Khorne's mortal followers. This army has several units that are basically murder/death/kill themed versions of some Slaves to Darkness units. The Bloodreavers are Khorne Marauders turned up to 11. The Blood Warriors are Khorne Chaos Warriors turned up to 11. I would like to see the same treatment given the Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh when their mortal armies are expanded. For Tzeentch, I like that we already have a Tzeentch Marauder unit set to 11 in the Kairoc Acolytes. I want to see the rest of the Arcanites faction fleshed out in a similar way to how Khorne's mortals were. What I do not want is "give Slaves to Darkness models the Tzeentch keyward and you'll get X". I want more thought put into it. Tzaangors are cool, but I'm hoping they aren't the only new Tzeentch models in the book.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
Considering that the Silver Tower acolyte's throw warp flames, and are boosted in that by having a Sorcerer nearby, they are pretty different.
Maybe I'm not articulating my point. I want more units like the Kairoc Acolytes. Here is what I mean:
Khorne Bloodbound is the tome for Khorne's mortal followers. This army has several units that are basically murder/death/kill themed versions of some Slaves to Darkness units. The Bloodreavers are Khorne Marauders turned up to 11. The Blood Warriors are Khorne Chaos Warriors turned up to 11. I would like to see the same treatment given the Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh when their mortal armies are expanded. For Tzeentch, I like that we already have a Tzeentch Marauder unit set to 11 in the Kairoc Acolytes. I want to see the rest of the Arcanites faction fleshed out in a similar way to how Khorne's mortals were. What I do not want is "give Slaves to Darkness models the Tzeentch keyward and you'll get X". I want more thought put into it. Tzaangors are cool, but I'm hoping they aren't the only new Tzeentch models in the book.
Ah! I see what you mean I do think it's highly likely that is the case considering the Kairoc acolytes hell Tzaangor's seem to be a gor or bestigor set to 11. You even have a minotaur that can shoot fireballs and use the lore of tzeentch compared to a normal Mino/doombull only use their great strength and axe. I do think it's nice beastmen are getting some love man I thought I wonder never see the day of a tzaangor on a disc.
EnTyme wrote: I do hope there are more human models with this release. I like the Tzaangors, but my plan is to build an army of Chaos mortals for each god.
Considering slaves to darkness can take mark of tzeentch they should be able to use the book. Hell many people on the grand alliance community suspect that they are bringing everything tzeentch aligned into one tome instead of tzeentch "mortal" or "daemon" it will just focus on the tzeentch keyword which slaves to darkness can easily take.
Someone noted that they said on the stream this would be a new "take" on battletomes they are calling it "disciples of tzeentch" instead of tzeentch Arcanites for a reason and I suspect this is the reason why we haven't seen a Death battletome yet since both Death and tzeentch suffered from similar problems. I think Death if theories are correct will be based on this format. Since tzeentch suffered from not being able to use magic and their formations, summoning and battleline issues along with synergy problems just like Death.
I'm hoping for a more specialized unit like the difference between a Chaos Marauder and a Kairoc Acolyte. Specifically, I'd like to see a magic-focused Chaos Warrior. Khorne Bloodbound have their equivalents in the Bloodreavers and Blood Warriors.
I do think that they are going to change the way Battletomes work, especially for Chaos. Even though there is a book entitled Battletome: Khorne Bloodbound, there isn't a "Bloodbound" keyword and no Allegiance: Khorne Bloodbound. I actually like it this way. It means I can have a legal army consisting of a Brass Stampede from Khorne Bloodbound and a Ruinbringer Warband from Slaves to Darkness with everything having the same allegiance (Khorne Mortal). Hopefully, I'll be able to do something similar with the other 3 Chaos gods (sorry, Horned Rat. No one likes you) once their mortal forces are fleshed out better.
Considering that the Silver Tower acolyte's throw warp flames, and are boosted in that by having a Sorcerer nearby, they are pretty different.
Maybe I'm not articulating my point. I want more units like the Kairoc Acolytes. Here is what I mean:
Khorne Bloodbound is the tome for Khorne's mortal followers. This army has several units that are basically murder/death/kill themed versions of some Slaves to Darkness units. The Bloodreavers are Khorne Marauders turned up to 11. The Blood Warriors are Khorne Chaos Warriors turned up to 11. I would like to see the same treatment given the Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh when their mortal armies are expanded. For Tzeentch, I like that we already have a Tzeentch Marauder unit set to 11 in the Kairoc Acolytes. I want to see the rest of the Arcanites faction fleshed out in a similar way to how Khorne's mortals were. What I do not want is "give Slaves to Darkness models the Tzeentch keyward and you'll get X". I want more thought put into it. Tzaangors are cool, but I'm hoping they aren't the only new Tzeentch models in the book.
Ah! I see what you mean I do think it's highly likely that is the case considering the Kairoc acolytes hell Tzaangor's seem to be a gor or bestigor set to 11. You even have a minotaur that can shoot fireballs and use the lore of tzeentch compared to a normal Mino/doombull only use their great strength and axe. I do think it's nice beastmen are getting some love man I thought I wonder never see the day of a tzaangor on a disc.
They're definitely cool models. I love playing Beastmen in Total War: Warhammer, so I would imagine I'll end up with that army at some point as well. Hopefully by then we'll have Gors for the other gods as well.
I look forward to this release, as the individual models look quite fine, and the colours will look good with my khornate force. However these pictures doesn't set me on fire. The acolytes look very eqyptian, and to me that is the realm of tomb kings.
Reading over the Silver Tower units in AoS app, I find it hard to justify choosing kairic acolytes and tzaangors over Khorne bloodreavers in synergy with Khorne heroes. So I look forward to see what the DoT brings up.
Currently reading this new advent short story and right now in these 18 pages it's setting up awesome background information. For 2 pounds.
Also elf/alf fans
Spoiler:
TECLIS IS IN IT WITH ALL HIS AMAZING GODHOOD!
A Warhammer Age of Sigmar short story
In the age before Chaos, during a time of myth, the pantheon of gods ruled at Sigmar’s hand. As dark times return to the Mortal Realms, Sigmar beseeches the goddess Alarielle to heed a tale of those better years, one he hopes will restore not only her faith but the faith of all noble creatures.
READ IT BECAUSE
Sigmar's quest to reunite his old pantheon of gods has been one of the underlying themes of the Age of Sigmar so far, but we haven't seen much of the time when they did stand together. Well, here's your chance.
THE STORY
In the age before Chaos, during a time of myth, the pantheon of gods ruled at Sigmar’s hand. As dark times return to the Mortal Realms, Sigmar beseeches the goddess Alarielle to heed a tale of those better years, one he hopes will restore not only her faith but the faith of all noble creatures. Heed then the saga of the mage Bayla who seeks the Realms' End, a mythic place believed to hold a great secret. Beseeching the aid of wise Teclis and dread Nagash, Bayla's desire for knowledge and the fulfilment of his quest blinds him to the danger in his midst, one that could imperil his very soul.
I got a copy of spire of dawn the other day.
Some nice little bits of fluff from both elven and skaven points of view.
No scenarios, so it'll go best with the generals handbook. (i imagine we'll be seeing this as a bundle in the near future.)
Models are the same as ever, supplied with round and square bases.
The Tzeentch stuff looks awesome, i'm hoping for WD rules that allow these new things to be used in WHQ silver tower. Especially the alternate acolytes.
What an amazing leak, and I love the fact that not only my guesses were right about the staff and disc showed preivously on the Rumor Engine, but the model itelsef kicks butt!
Now, what do we have?
Tzaangors, Kairic Acolytes, the Moon guy that has that green vulture should be a special weapon guy. And if you noticed, right behing him there is a Scroll wielder, I'd say that it's their version of a banner.
That Greater Tzaangor on disk has to be the main leader.
Now, the Tzaangors on disks (and I think one of them has a bow) at the very bottom should be their answer to big cavalry units, which could be pretty awesome on the table, meanwhile the Tzaangors on foot just at the front center of them seems quite bigger than the rest, maybe they are their elite units.
I have a doubt, tho, could those Tzaangors be compatible with 40K?
What an amazing leak, and I love the fact that not only my guesses were right about the staff and disc showed preivously on the Rumor Engine, but the model itelsef kicks butt!
Now, what do we have?
Tzaangors, Kairic Acolytes, the Moon guy that has that green vulture should be a special weapon guy. And if you noticed, right behing him there is a Scroll wielder, I'd say that it's their version of a banner.
That Greater Tzaangor on disk has to be the main leader.
Now, the Tzaangors on disks (and I think one of them has a bow) at the very bottom should be their answer to big cavalry units, which could be pretty awesome on the table, meanwhile the Tzaangors on foot just at the front center of them seems quite bigger than the rest, maybe they are their elite units.
I have a doubt, tho, could those Tzaangors be compatible with 40K?
I can't wait to see if they will get a SC!
Yeah that elf appears to be the god of all knowledge and magic now well the good god of knowledge and magic. The short story pretty much shows that the elf/Aelf gods may have human followers here and there since they were a pantheon in the age of myth. The short story follows a human wizard trying to find the end of the realms and Sigmar and alarielle the everqueen go over his life and his travel there.
I suspect after this short story it won't surprise me to see Alarielle reaching out to the wanderer's again at some point in the future. Also details on the cosmology of the mortal realms in context of Realms end, also dwarfs/Duardin pretty much act how we all expect them to act considering the encounter with Grungi's Temple guard.
The short story starts with pretty much sigmar going over the past and how the pantheon are "divine" survivors of the world that was.
shinros wrote: Yeah that elf appears to be the god of all knowledge and magic now well the good god of knowledge and magic. The short story pretty much shows that the elf/Aelf gods may have human followers here and there since they were a pantheon in the age of myth. The short story follows a human wizard trying to find the end of the realms and Sigmar and alarielle the everqueen go over his life and his travel there.
I suspect after this short story it won't surprise me to see Alarielle reaching out to the wanderer's again at some point in the future. Also details on the cosmology of the mortal realms in context of Realms end, also dwarfs/Duardin pretty much act how we all expect them to act considering the encounter with Grungi's Temple guard.
The short story starts with pretty much sigmar going over the past and how the pantheon are "divine" survivors of the world that was.
I'm guessing 3-5 new units in the new book by looking at these images.
While I'm okay with Tzaangors on Discs (really, ANY Disc-riding unit would be awesome), I'd much prefer Chaos Warriors/Knights riding those discs instead. I'd like to see more Tzeentch Warriors, like Khorne got.
Yeah, I do like the tzaangors but I would have really like a tzeentch chosen kit like this:
Something more intimidating and bulky and ornate in contrast to the other models that have a lot of skin and feathers. But I guess since this is AoS and not the old world, that's the angle they are pushing. No more chaos warriors from norsca or kurgan tribes that are all bulked up.
plastictrees wrote: I'd like to see Chosen in that vein as well, but also understand GW wanting to move away from every Power having slight variations on the same troops.
If they bulk out Slaves of Darkness we may see Chosen in that vein. If they continue with the theme of allowing them to pick their marks and such. This way they can have Slaves of Darkness being a "Humanish" primary force that Chaos factions can take that would represent those sorts of worshippers.
plastictrees wrote: I'd like to see Chosen in that vein as well, but also understand GW wanting to move away from every Power having slight variations on the same troops.
If they bulk out Slaves of Darkness we may see Chosen in that vein. If they continue with the theme of allowing them to pick their marks and such. This way they can have Slaves of Darkness being a "Humanish" primary force that Chaos factions can take that would represent those sorts of worshippers.
Chosen do lack a plastic kit currently, and it would be easy to include parts for god-specific command groups on a generic sprue.
Shane; have you seen the LoC? Is it similar in size to the Bloodthirster? What's its pose like? Honestly, a larger plastic one that takes reference from the old metal one is okay by me. That is the most dynamic of the old GDs.
timetowaste85 wrote: Shane; have you seen the LoC? Is it similar in size to the Bloodthirster? What's its pose like? Honestly, a larger plastic one that takes reference from the old metal one is okay by me. That is the most dynamic of the old GDs.
Not shown anything on that yet. It's art on the front cover. Will let you know if they show anything on the LoC.
timetowaste85 wrote: Shane; have you seen the LoC? Is it similar in size to the Bloodthirster? What's its pose like? Honestly, a larger plastic one that takes reference from the old metal one is okay by me. That is the most dynamic of the old GDs.
Not shown anything on that yet. It's art on the front cover. Will let you know if they show anything on the LoC.
timetowaste85 wrote: Shane; have you seen the LoC? Is it similar in size to the Bloodthirster? What's its pose like? Honestly, a larger plastic one that takes reference from the old metal one is okay by me. That is the most dynamic of the old GDs.
Not shown anything on that yet. It's art on the front cover. Will let you know if they show anything on the LoC.
The new answers cover a few common questions and rules conundrum. There are no major game changers, but a few things get sorted out.
Some of the key points covered include deployment of Sylvaneth Wyldwoods, releasing Moonclan Fanatics, and clarification on a few rules from the General’s Handbook.
terry wrote: this answer makes the ring useless when you don't have a reserve for summoning:
Q: Does the Ring of Immortality require reinforcement points to
return the slain bearer to the table?
A: Yes.
To be fair, returning a VLoZD for free was pretty crazy. The point of reinforcement pools was to keep the game from going full 40k and being 2000 points vs 2700. Though certain armies can still game it a bit (cough cough Sylvaneth woods).
The rules FAQ 1.1 just got updated to 1.1.1 of sorts, the blurb about resolving damage has been updated. I think they are still working out a few kinks
Hmm. I see the dates are now showing December 2016 on the web store, but the linked PDFs are still the version 1.0 FAQs. Guess they are still working on it.
terry wrote: this answer makes the ring useless when you don't have a reserve for summoning:
Q: Does the Ring of Immortality require reinforcement points to
return the slain bearer to the table?
A: Yes.
To be fair, returning a VLoZD for free was pretty crazy. The point of reinforcement pools was to keep the game from going full 40k and being 2000 points vs 2700. Though certain armies can still game it a bit (cough cough Sylvaneth woods).
I didn't find the ring that bad even when my opponent used it with a vampire on terrorgheist (pretty bad since it has a death explosion) because the model only returned with d3 wounds left. With that restriction it wasn't out of line as artifacts go, but with paying full cost it's stupidly useless.
terry wrote: this answer makes the ring useless when you don't have a reserve for summoning:
Q: Does the Ring of Immortality require reinforcement points to
return the slain bearer to the table?
A: Yes.
To be fair, returning a VLoZD for free was pretty crazy. The point of reinforcement pools was to keep the game from going full 40k and being 2000 points vs 2700. Though certain armies can still game it a bit (cough cough Sylvaneth woods).
I didn't find the ring that bad even when my opponent used it with a vampire on terrorgheist (pretty bad since it has a death explosion) because the model only returned with d3 wounds left. With that restriction it wasn't out of line as artifacts go, but with paying full cost it's stupidly useless.
Indeed. If the model came back at full wounds, it'd be one thing. I think I'll let my death opponent use the ring without using reinforcement points.
This art suggests that we are getting new Duardin soon. With this and the rumour mill pic it looks like it will be a Slyvaneth style mixture of old and new minis.
Indeed, also someone(I think Cataphract) noticed a Tzeentch picture leak that looked like a Duardin armed with a sword. (Though the red hair might have been a beardy wizard, only got to see the top half)
The Dispossessed Ironbreakers are a main arm of the Azyrheim Stonebreaker Battalion that focus on destroying chaos fortifications.
Are we looking at a defense of an Order city, or it's destruction by Order forces having claimed it's too far corrupted?
Baron Klatz wrote: Indeed, also someone(I think Cataphract) noticed a Tzeentch picture leak that looked like a Duardin armed with a sword. (Though the red hair might have been a beardy wizard, only got to see the top half)
The Dispossessed Ironbreakers are a main arm of the Azyrheim Stonebreaker Battalion that focus on destroying chaos fortifications.
Are we looking at a defense of an Order city, or it's destruction by Order forces having claimed it's too far corrupted?
It looked like a bright wizard who typically do have the flaming red hair.
One of the teaser images was almost undoubtedly dwarven, and we know from the fluff that Tzeentch is focused on the realm of metal, where the duradin followers of Grugni supposedly are. All in all I'd say its a safe bet that duradin are coming soon.
NinthMusketeer wrote: One of the teaser images was almost undoubtedly dwarven, and we know from the fluff that Tzeentch is focused on the realm of metal, where the duradin followers of Grugni supposedly are. All in all I'd say its a safe bet that duradin are coming soon.
Plus we had that rumour engine pic that was almost certainly Duardin.
NinthMusketeer wrote: One of the teaser images was almost undoubtedly dwarven, and we know from the fluff that Tzeentch is focused on the realm of metal, where the duradin followers of Grugni supposedly are. All in all I'd say its a safe bet that duradin are coming soon.
Plus we had that rumour engine pic that was almost certainly Duardin.
Edit: just realised you said that...
Which one was certainly duadin? I would love to know, as a dwarf nut.
NinthMusketeer wrote: One of the teaser images was almost undoubtedly dwarven, and we know from the fluff that Tzeentch is focused on the realm of metal, where the duradin followers of Grugni supposedly are. All in all I'd say its a safe bet that duradin are coming soon.
Plus we had that rumour engine pic that was almost certainly Duardin.
Edit: just realised you said that...
Which one was certainly duadin? I would love to know, as a dwarf nut.
NinthMusketeer wrote: One of the teaser images was almost undoubtedly dwarven, and we know from the fluff that Tzeentch is focused on the realm of metal, where the duradin followers of Grugni supposedly are. All in all I'd say its a safe bet that duradin are coming soon.
Plus we had that rumour engine pic that was almost certainly Duardin.
Edit: just realised you said that...
Indeed, itsjust a matter of -when- at this point. January has been claimed by Tzeentch so we are looking at a February release most likely. Full reveal in later January?
I must say, that is one of the better pieces of art produced thus far for Age of Sigmar. From a purely technical perspective, the dynamics of the scene are skillfully invoked through the forced perspective and the use of lines to focus on the center action.
And with the appearance of the gyrocopter in the back and the Duardin troops in the front, we're likely looking at a very thematic force showing up quite soon.
As much as I liked the archetypical Dwarf lore in Warhammer, I never liked the "kneeless" aesthetic (which I know some people really liked); though as we now know Games Workshop is able to make larger dwarf figures (the fyreslayers) the new Duardin should be pretty amazing.
Osorios wrote: I must say, that is one of the better pieces of art produced thus far for Age of Sigmar. From a purely technical perspective, the dynamics of the scene are skillfully invoked through the forced perspective and the use of lines to focus on the center action.
And with the appearance of the gyrocopter in the back and the Duardin troops in the front, we're likely looking at a very thematic force showing up quite soon.
As much as I liked the archetypical Dwarf lore in Warhammer, I never liked the "kneeless" aesthetic (which I know some people really liked); though as we now know Games Workshop is able to make larger dwarf figures (the fyreslayers) the new Duardin should be pretty amazing.
I would expect new 'normal' Dwarves to resemble the 8th edition Dwarf release, as they are the same size as the Fyreslayers. The latter seem larger because of dynamic/spread posing but the only size creep present is in hats.
@Osorios, I really like the artwork too. The doorway making a halo over the beastmen's head is well done and a interesting way at showing who's taking the spotlight. (And if it turns out they're defending the town they corrupted then it's excellent foreshadowing as that's usually the pose of a heroic defender rather than conqueror.)
@BaronVonSnakPak, those are indeed ironbreakers. They're shown as the main force of the Azyrheim Stonebreaker Battalion which is backed up by human artillery and gyrocopters.
They're also the main siege army that turn demonic hell fortresses into bad memories. So what are they doing at this city?
If it was a reconquest then the Azyrheim Legions of Reconquest would be the obvious choice to send as Stormcast spearhead the assault and Free Guilders give support and take hold of the garrisons.
It could be in relation to the future Duardin release and the Stonebreakers acting as a diplomacy element to their foreign kin or it could mean some cities are too lost to chaos and need to be destroyed..
Certainly going to be interesting to see how things unfold. I even wonder if we'll see another summer campaign but with Order attacking the cities we previously defended?
Guys I had a prophetic dream last night. There will be a release involving Morathi and then Daughters of Khaine. Something with her taking over the Cult...and she will get a new model or we will see a new Witch Elfish looking model on foot.
I think they are still finding their sweet spot on models and cost. Not going to be sad about it though. That's a solid price for a GW 20 model infantry kit. Especially after normal discounts.
It'll be interesting to see what they price the Tzaangors at. Since the 40k ones are $40 for 10 we might see a similar price point since they won't want to eat the 40k sales but we might also see 20 for $50 since it wouldn't have the extra sprue.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also is the Disciples of Tzeentch softback? Because it's priced at what appears to be $25 US.
I wonder if we'll get a new Gaunt Summoner warscroll. That's the model from Silver Tower, but his warscroll talks about the familiars, which are thus far only available on the massive minion sprues. There are nine Gaunt Summoners at any given time, so it would stand to reason that GW could potentially release nine separate sets of rules.
£15 pounds seems really cheap for a battle tome that has three different(even if there related) armies in it. With it having points for the units could GW be planning on periodically updating it in the same way as the generals handbook? A softback book with a cheaper price tag could be there attempt to sweeten the pill.
GoatboyBeta wrote: With it having points for the units could GW be planning on periodically updating it in the same way as the generals handbook?
I imagine the Matched Play Profiles will be presented in a table like those in the General's Handbook, easily updated via a FAQ or in a new edition of the General's Handbook.
GoatboyBeta wrote: £15 pounds seems really cheap for a battle tome that has three different(even if there related) armies in it. With it having points for the units could GW be planning on periodically updating it in the same way as the generals handbook? A softback book with a cheaper price tag could be there attempt to sweeten the pill.
GoatboyBeta wrote: £15 pounds seems really cheap for a battle tome that has three different(even if there related) armies in it. With it having points for the units could GW be planning on periodically updating it in the same way as the generals handbook? A softback book with a cheaper price tag could be there attempt to sweeten the pill.
On the stream it was hardback.
Good point. I assumed it was paperback at that price but it was hardback yeah.
Then I'm voting for a WD misprint on the price. The only other tome for that price is Bonesplitterz.
Are Bonesplitterz even that cheap? Even Bonesplitterz and Pestilens are $35 here in the US and it's got the Tzeentch listed at $25. No complaining. I think it's a fantastic price point. But it might also be for the french version which might be paperback.
Bonesplitterz is £15 from GW here in Blighty. The only AOS books that are cheaper are the Destruction and Death grand alliance books at £10. WD usually prints the prices for a particular regions webstore.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Bonesplitterz is £15 from GW here in Blighty. The only AOS books that are cheaper are the Destruction and Death grand alliance books at £10. WD usually prints the prices for a particular regions webstore.
It has prices from all different regions in the photo, not just euros.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Bonesplitterz is £15 from GW here in Blighty. The only AOS books that are cheaper are the Destruction and Death grand alliance books at £10. WD usually prints the prices for a particular regions webstore.
It has prices from all different regions in the photo, not just euros.
I probably should have worded it better but yeah thats what I meant
Those dudes would make some great Tzeentch marauders. I really hope that Slannesh gets some love as my Warriors of Chaos could do with a bit of reinforcing.
Chikout wrote: Warhammer Tv just posted a teaser for disciples of Tzeentch with another piece of Loc art, just in case anyone doubted a new model is coming.
Don't doubt that its coming but I don't think that's a LoC as it doesn't have any arms. Looks to me more like the bird that one of the previewed Arcanites is carrying?
Chikout wrote: Warhammer Tv just posted a teaser for disciples of Tzeentch with another piece of Loc art, just in case anyone doubted a new model is coming.
Don't doubt that its coming but I don't think that's a LoC as it doesn't have any arms. Looks to me more like the bird that one of the previewed Arcanites is carrying?
For sure a possibility, but I bet the LOC* box will come with several options, and this may be one of them.
Chikout wrote: Warhammer Tv just posted a teaser for disciples of Tzeentch with another piece of Loc art, just in case anyone doubted a new model is coming.
Don't doubt that its coming but I don't think that's a LoC as it doesn't have any arms. Looks to me more like the bird that one of the previewed Arcanites is carrying?
That would be correct. It is the weird Warpbird or whatever.
Chikout wrote: Warhammer Tv just posted a teaser for disciples of Tzeentch with another piece of Loc art, just in case anyone doubted a new model is coming.
Don't doubt that its coming but I don't think that's a LoC as it doesn't have any arms. Looks to me more like the bird that one of the previewed Arcanites is carrying?
For sure a possibility, but I bet the LOC* box will come with several options, and this may be one of them.
I know he's a Lord of Change but I doubt he'd shed his arms. More likely to be art for the bird thing the Acolytes have.
Anybody else get Spire of dawn through the webstore? Mine arrived yesterday but it was in a generic white GW box. Guess they really did underestimate demand if they didn't have enough boxes ready.
angelofvengeance wrote: The bird thing is called a Vulcharc. They're drawn to magic users and feast on their magic energies.
Waaaay better name than the German one: Mageier. a REALLY bad pun on magic and Geier ( = vulture). It sounds like one of those filler Pokemon nobody uses after catching them.
Other stuff from Jan WD: The acolytes can freely mutates/shapeshift from fat merchant to thin scholar to those impossibly muscled war-forms, one of the Gaunt Summoners posed as Sigmar's chief architect during the founding of the Great Cities, building them on some super evil stone (Reichstein, so, Realm Stone?) which makes corrupting the inhabitants easier.
Binabik15 wrote: one of the Gaunt Summoners posed as Sigmar's chief architect during the founding of the Great Cities, building them on some super evil stone (Reichstein, so, Realm Stone?) which makes corrupting the inhabitants easier.
Woa, that's a big deal fluff wise. Did it say just 'great cities' or was it referring to the 'Seeds of Hope' from the global campaign?
As a sidenote, Realmstone seems to be like Warpstone only while the latter has an innate connection to Chaos and nothing good will ever come of it, Realmstone seems to be 'neutral' magic that is only as evil as it's wielders.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Woa, that's a big deal fluff wise. Did it say just 'great cities' or was it referring to the 'Seeds of Hope' from the global campaign?
From the White Dwarf article:
THE SEEDS OF CORRUPTION
From their very foundation, the Cities of Sigmar were marked and tainted by Tzeentch’s touch. One of the Master of Fortune’s most cunning minions, the Daemon known as the Changeling, posed as the master architect of the Cities of Sigmar, siting the new settlements on pockets of realmstone to accelerate the corruption of their inhabitants. To compound its treachery, the Changeling fostered hundreds of new cults dedicated to Tzeentch across the realms.
I find this tidbit more interesting though...
ETERNAL SCHEMING
There is not a part of the Mortal Realms that has not been touched by the cunning talon of Tzeentch. Whilst the Slaves to Darkness stalk the wastelands in his name, Kairic covens are to be found in mortal tribes and Cities of Sigmar, the seeds of treachery planted with their very foundation. Places of arcane power have been corrupted into twisted flux-cairns by the Tzaangor warflocks, and even the daemonic legions of Tzeentch have sallied forth to fulfil the impossible plots of the Architect of Fate. To many of the Mortal Realms, these actions seem random and unconnected, but not to the God-King, Sigmar. Upon his throne in Sigmaron, Sigmar has discerned a pattern in the madness and has realised that the Changer of Ways is working a mighty spell – although to what end alludes even noble Sigmar.
No, I think the timeline jumped a bit. These are the new cities that were founded at the end of the campaign. It might be why we do t see many mortal characters.
Automatically Appended Next Post: No, I think the timeline jumped a bit. These are the new cities that were founded at the end of the campaign. It might be why we do t see many mortal characters.
Binabik15 wrote: one of the Gaunt Summoners posed as Sigmar's chief architect during the founding of the Great Cities, building them on some super evil stone (Reichstein, so, Realm Stone?) which makes corrupting the inhabitants easier.
Woa, that's a big deal fluff wise. Did it say just 'great cities' or was it referring to the 'Seeds of Hope' from the global campaign?
As a sidenote, Realmstone seems to be like Warpstone only while the latter has an innate connection to Chaos and nothing good will ever come of it, Realmstone seems to be 'neutral' magic that is only as evil as it's wielders.
Well they did mention in the stream the story going on in the book is our fault due to the season of war campaign.
SEEE guys this is why you should of let nagash the god of spooky into your heart that way you would of been more safe from chaos.
TBF the Realms are Wars seem to have taken several decades, though an exact length hasn't been stated to my knowledge. At the very least the realm of life campaign in the godbeasts book is stated to have taken years, and that is just one campaign which we know came both after and before others that presumably took similar lengths.
Yes and if you remove one e from Mageier you get Magier = mage. They can be really strange with the localisation. I still remember how they translated leadership value into Moralwert ("moral value") which didn't help avoiding confusionin WHFB when you have a leadership test and a moral test (which are different) but you end up with Moralwerttest and Moraltest in german and people got things switched around if they didn't read carefully :/
Mario wrote: I still remember how they translated leadership value into Moralwert ("moral value") which didn't help avoiding confusionin WHFB when you have a leadership test and a moral test (which are different) but you end up with Moralwerttest and Moraltest in german and people got things switched around if they didn't read carefully :/
Sounds almost as confusing having wounds (as in HP), wounds (rolled) and wounds inflicted (damage) as different things.
In the city of Excelsis, in the heart of the Realm of Beasts, Corporal Armand Callis of the city watch stumbles upon a dark secret and finds himself hunted, with just a witch hunter for companionship.
READ IT BECAUSE
It's an in depth look at life in a city of the Mortal Realms coupled with a rip-roaring tale of action and adventure, not to mention a most intriguing mystery, as you might expect of the City of Secrets…
THE STORY
Excelsis is the city of secrets, a grand and imposing bastion of civilisation in the savage Realm of Beasts. Within its winding streets and shadowy back alleys, merchants deal in raw prophecy mined from an ancient fragment of the World That Was, and even the poorest man may earn a glimpse of the future. Yet not all such prophecies can be trusted. When Corporal Armand Callis of the city guard stumbles upon a dark secret, he finds himself on the run from his former comrades, framed for a crime he did not commit. Only the Witch Hunter Hanniver Toll knows the truth of his innocence. Together the pair must race against time to save Excelsis from a cataclysm that would drown the city in madness and fear.
The link does not work but FINALLY I have my wish a book with a witch hunter character. Honestly I do think we will see quite a bit of the devoted of sigmar in this plot line. I do think we are at the fleshing out stage a story centered on two humans, I do think with the white dwarf image and this book I feel devoted of sigmar are somewhere in the pipe. The excelsior war priest from the sliver tower and they have been mentioned more than the free people.
Part of their job is to keep this stuff from happening and keeping faith in sigmar strong in the cities.
Requizen wrote: Ooh, that looks neat. As much as I love Stormcast, I'm glad to see more books where they aren't the focal point. Plus, Tzaanuary hype!
Yeah the book just reminded me I had a witch hunter in my devoted of sigmar force he has killer rules against wizards, now I am not sure about doing a tzeentch army but finishing off my devoted of sigmar since I assume there will be a lot of people playing it, I am still going to grab the tome though.
The book is up on new titles the link is not working I think they may have trouble getting it up or it went up too early.
I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
They are described as such in the novels, at least.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
They are described as such in the novels, at least.
That doesn't stop Gaurdsmen and SM models almost being the same height. I realy want to see some mortal heros tho.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
I wouldn't worry about it. The priest model is significantly smaller than the Chaos or Stormcast models.
Played the new Escalation last night. Judicators suddenly seem like not the best Battleline when they're forced to deploy 9" in front of anything else (not forced to, I guess, but you want those objectives).
It's pretty fun. Forces different deployment and mindset about getting things into position. I really do love how every mission feels like it encourages a different list.
The Matched play game from yesterday's WarhammerTV, which used an escalation scenario, was great fun to watch. A summon-heavy Tzeentch army vs. classic Duardin with no Ironweld steampunkery. Seemed like a few key dice rolls played a big part .
And it was awesome seeing the Duardin army. I dislike Ironweld and didn't realize leaving them out was feasible.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
I wouldn't worry about it. The priest model is significantly smaller than the Chaos or Stormcast models.
A GW guy said the Warrior Priest is an eight foot-tall giant, so normal humans should be a lot smaller.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
I wouldn't worry about it. The priest model is significantly smaller than the Chaos or Stormcast models.
A GW guy said the Warrior Priest is an eight foot-tall giant, so normal humans should be a lot smaller.
The Excelsior Warpriest? As far as I could tell from his description in the game manual, he was just a normal, albeit extremely devout man.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I can live with the priest from Silver tower being an exceptionally big guy and the mortal followers of the dark gods being roided out on Chaos power(the Arcanites having a secret Hulk form is a nice fluff justification). But I just hope that when they do finally get round to any new "normal" human forces there not able to look a Stormcast in the eye without a step ladder.
I wouldn't worry about it. The priest model is significantly smaller than the Chaos or Stormcast models.
A GW guy said the Warrior Priest is an eight foot-tall giant, so normal humans should be a lot smaller.
The Excelsior Warpriest? As far as I could tell from his description in the game manual, he was just a normal, albeit extremely devout man.
Sounds like a Khorne Slaughterpriest to me, theyre big boys.
Indeed, he's been mentioned to be a tall warrior which suits the position on warrior priests in AoS as they're usually heroic leaders of warrior tribes or kingdom remnants that fight for survival and maintain their faith in Sigmar.
With the growing power of Order driving chaos back (barely) and cities and provinces being made I wonder if the Devoted will eventually bring in more civilized forces instead of just ragtag fanatics? Warrior priest regiments and cavalry, yes please.
Nothing yet but a few background hints like the Three Duchies(most likely gone now), a kingdom known as Volpone that had knights and a sacred river(heavily damaged) and the Flesh-Eater court's Bretonnian-like delusions.
My guesses are either the reveal of what's in the realm of light(ex.Teclis did worship Lileath and human & aelf knights fight together for Azyrheim while worshiping both Sigmar and Tyrion) or just the Free People settling down and making new kingdoms with some looking remarkably similar to Bretonnia.
dan2026 wrote: I wonder if we really are getting a new Lord of Change.
I feel we would of seen an image of big bird by now.
Yeah, I am surprised we haven't seen any new Tzeentch Daemons yet. With the Blue & Brimstone horrors being available for AoS and 40K and a LoC being pictured on the cover of the Disciple of Tz book, NOW is the time for those minis to be released.
dan2026 wrote: I wonder if we really are getting a new Lord of Change.
I feel we would of seen an image of big bird by now.
Yeah, I am surprised we haven't seen any new Tzeentch Daemons yet. With the Blue & Brimstone horrors being available for AoS and 40K and a LoC being pictured on the cover of the Disciple of Tz book, NOW is the time for those minis to be released.
I won't be surprised if they got a release durring the 4 weeks of tzeentch
I won't be surprised if they got a release durring the 4 weeks of tzeentch
Well the GW guys said something about "Tzaanuary" yet the 1st week is nearly up with no release. We usually get leaks/hints about stuff at least 1 week in advance, so that knocks off another week. So it looks like that "4 weeks of Tzeentch" is really only 2 weeks of Tzaangor stuff. We've either been lied to about the 4-week release, or half of that is in February, not January
I got all excited when they announced Disciples of Tzeentch, but after the initial models shown, we've had nothing but silence.
I won't be surprised if they got a release durring the 4 weeks of tzeentch
Well the GW guys said something about "Tzaanuary" yet the 1st week is nearly up with no release. We usually get leaks/hints about stuff at least 1 week in advance, so that knocks off another week.
So it looks like that "4 weeks of Tzeentch" is really only 2 weeks of Tzaangor stuff. We've either been lied to about the 4-week release, or half of that is in February, not January
I got all excited when they announced Disciples of Tzeentch, but after the initial models shown, we've had nothing but silence.
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I'm surprised as well. I expect to have a few more leaks at this point, but GW does tend to focus on one release at a time, and Fall of Cadia Part 1 comes out first, so all of the news has been focused on that. There has also been a major holiday since all the leaks, and GW took some time off with it. I imagine we'll start seeing Tzeentch leaks late next week.
In the new WD on the front page where the editor gives his thoughts I believe I read that the Tzeentch releases will continue in the next white dwarf. Likely saving the Lord of Change for that one.
Also the fluff sounds pretty awesome as well since tzeentch is going to focus on what the normal people are doing since tzeentch is waging warfare through cults and intrigue via corrupting people in the newly built cities.
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? he was being around since the rest of Ironjawz.
I will haave to liberate one or two from the evil master of lies.
