AndrewGPaul wrote: It's not the height, as such - it's wondering why Leman Russ is carrying that one bit of rubble around an otherwise empty battlefield with him.
The ever-increasing size of Primarchs makes things like the Talon of Horus, Wolf Helm of Russ and the Lion Helm (and other Relics that are bits of Primarchs' armour or weapons) increasingly ridiculous.
Jackal90 wrote: I won't object if moulder get some bomb rats!
I will object if they don't get rules for them though :(
Kind of a boring update to be fair from them.
Just 5 tiny models.
Edit: looking at the grenade and the canister I don't think AoS will get them :(
AoS won't get rules for them (unless someone there really loves skaven) but developing grenades is well within the realms of Skaven - heck they've already got most of the basic tech to establish them. They'd just do something like give it a warpstone trigger. In fact making a grenade and then teaching a little rat to run along and pill the pin itself is a VERY skaven way of approaching the idea of a grenade. Why throw them when rats can carry them far further and more reliably than a dumb clanrat trying to throw and not hit itself in the face! See see skaven are smarter than humans who would be all for standing up and getting killed to throw a grenade!
You could pay £19 for them if you want, but I don't know where the extra £7 is going.
"better" is subjective - I prefer these to the 3rd-party ones I've seen, which look more like hamsters to me. If I played Cawdor and had a Skaven army, I'd not bother with these. If I had a Cawdor gang and no Skaven, I'd pick these up.
Jackal90 wrote: I won't object if moulder get some bomb rats!
I will object if they don't get rules for them though :(
Kind of a boring update to be fair from them.
Just 5 tiny models.
Edit: looking at the grenade and the canister I don't think AoS will get them :(
AoS won't get rules for them (unless someone there really loves skaven) but developing grenades is well within the realms of Skaven - heck they've already got most of the basic tech to establish them. They'd just do something like give it a warpstone trigger. In fact making a grenade and then teaching a little rat to run along and pill the pin itself is a VERY skaven way of approaching the idea of a grenade. Why throw them when rats can carry them far further and more reliably than a dumb clanrat trying to throw and not hit itself in the face! See see skaven are smarter than humans who would be all for standing up and getting killed to throw a grenade!
Oh they have the tech, but image wise these IEDs are far too clean looking for skaven (I didn't word it very well to begin with)
Hell, skaven have a small orb capable of sucking people into a damn vortex lol.
It's just that skaven have a very typical look about their tech.
It's always cobbled together with wiring everywhere.
This is just too clean and manufactured looking.
My main issue is that I now want bomb rats for my moulder army XD
Not Online!!! wrote: Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?
Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.
How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.
Jackal - ahh yes that makes sense from a manufacture point of view. Then again Skaven can do both ends, poison globes are very neatly made and warplock jezzails are also very neatly made. Brass Bells are also very neatly cast as well.
I think Skaven botch it together at one end, but also are capable of very perfect construction where its important and counts. That said you could easily make the grenades look a little more wild with a tiny bit of greenstuff
Not Online!!! wrote: Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?
Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.
How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.
Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)
Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.
Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?
Not Online!!! wrote: Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?
Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.
How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.
Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)
Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.
It is very subjective and case specific.
I have a somewhat large collection of FW models and I've sold alot of what I've previously had.
The quality has been fine on 99% of it.
I've had 1 model I sent back because of quality and it looked as if the mould was on its last legs.
Only other issues I've had were a few cases of missing parts, which took a phone call to fix.
Overread- that's a pretty good point actually.
I mainly agree on the jezzails, but I feel those are simply down to sculpting as opposed to build.
If we ever get a plastic kit I'd think they had variation in them.
The globe's are simple to make in comparison as it's a single piece just filled with gas.
Converting wise though I completely agree, it really wouldn't take much work.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?
It seems like he's talking nonsense. Their resin is never of a particularly high quality but it's never failcast bad either, the problems with fit and warping vary depending on the age of the mould but thats obviously a result of their production methods and not the resin.
I think whats more noticable is that they are seriously lacking in quality sculpters, most of what they're churning out just isnt impressing people, I think Alpharius was the last model I saw that most people were impressed with.
Not Online!!! wrote: Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?
Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.
How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.
Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)
Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.
Dunno. All my Sons of Horus and Blood Angels, epic models when they sold them etc have been problem free.
I'm putting that claim on same level as all the "finecast is always crap" level. While I don't have much finecast models but let's see what I have been buying recently(within year).
ork weirdboy
witch king
aragorn
black guard of barad dur
badruk
Only issue out of those I managed to snap one sword from one black guard but was that me or material is hard to tell.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?
It seems like he's talking nonsense. Their resin is never of a particularly high quality but it's never failcast bad either, the problems with fit and warping vary depending on the age of the mould but thats obviously a result of their production methods and not the resin.
I think whats more noticable is that they are seriously lacking in quality sculpters, most of what they're churning out just isnt impressing people, I think Alpharius was the last model I saw that most people were impressed with.
Say that to my decimator, especially to the shoulder pads.
No, FW has inconsitencies, and whilest 50/50 might be an overstatement, that does indeed not change the fact that stuff like the SM flyers exists or that their resin isn't of good quality half the time.
Not Online!!! wrote: Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?
Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.
How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.
Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)
Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.
Dunno. All my Sons of Horus and Blood Angels, epic models when they sold them etc have been problem free.
3 Hour wasted on pads to bring them back to form certainly felt like it
Overall though their customer service is great though so there is that, which others don't have.
3 Hour wasted on pads to bring them back to form certainly felt like it
Overall though their customer service is great though so there is that, which others don't have.
My best so far Was a deredo I ordered arrived missing it's feet.
One call and they said they would send a replacement for them.
I get a whole deredo turn up.
So, an order of weapons and a GS mould later and I have 2 deredos lol.
In regards to FW flyers, the thunderhawk was fine.
It's the raptor that was a pain in the ass due to warped parts.
That's nothing to do with the resin though, that's down to the model being taken out too early.
So that's not an error with the resin.
Any resin will warp if not allowed to fully set in a mould.
Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.
Agreed its only vehicles I have had problems with, the tracks on the sicarians I got were a pain and I have seen quite a lot of warping on the larger tanks as well.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.
Sicaran, 2 vindicators with laser destroyer, 2 deimos rhinos, deimos predator, mkiib land raider without any issues except poor instructions. That's albeit one section FW could improve on. Takes bit more oomphing and aamphing before I'm confident I know how the pieces are supposed to fit.
Even start posting them a few at a time, like Custodes.
I also want more titan guns to come out. Last few weeks have been a joke in release terms. Maybe to not compete with Shadowspear?
They are probably doing light weeks because of adepticon..... next week? Have stock built up and have some “pre release” sales at adepticon, then have them for the website later.
I just wanted to say that the Nurgle Rotspawn for Bloodbowl is one of the few miniatures I've looked at where I've sworn and appended "...ew" when I first saw it.
Those would come from the GW studio now, not from FW.
We already know they're coming from Forge World in a book named Fires of Cyraxis.
Eventually.
That books been on the back burner/scrapped for ages now, and Games Workshop are now in charge of rules for Forge World stuff for 40k, not Forge World.
Those would come from the GW studio now, not from FW.
We already know they're coming from Forge World in a book named Fires of Cyraxis.
Eventually.
Same thing with the plastic Thunderhawk and plastic Sisters of Battle!
i would buy one in a heartbeat. Wait I can't use the latter part in a joke anymore.
I dont know what their problem is with this book. It should have been out last year. I'm holding off buying 30k robots to see how they get incorporated into current maniples.
Those would come from the GW studio now, not from FW.
We already know they're coming from Forge World in a book named Fires of Cyraxis.
Eventually.
Same thing with the plastic Thunderhawk and plastic Sisters of Battle!
i would buy one in a heartbeat. Wait I can't use the latter part in a joke anymore.
I dont know what their problem is with this book.
Alan Bligh's death was to FW what a live grenade is to an aquarium.
Yodhrin wrote: Has that actually been confirmed as a genuine thing yet?
The information came from people at the last Heresy weekender, in February.
Who did that come from and had they gotten that direct from Tony? I was there at the weekender and the feedback I got was that it was now dead, along with the Talons of the Emperor codex (not IA) that FW was working on and was due next.
I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Yeah that was from me...
Edit: Was hoping somebody had managed to nail Tony down on this, as my info was from Anuj and Neil, who by their own admission rely on Tony for approval.
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Does this mean that GW Main is in charge of Krieg/Elysian rules?
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Does this mean that GW Main is in charge of Krieg/Elysian rules?
The suggestion was that GW Main would do all 40k & AoS, and Specialist Games would do the rest (but GW Main seem to be doing the all-plastic games such as Kill Team & Underworlds as well).
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Does this mean that GW Main is in charge of Krieg/Elysian rules?
The suggestion was that GW Main would do all 40k & AoS, and Specialist Games would do the rest (but GW Main seem to be doing the all-plastic games such as Kill Team & Underworlds as well).
From what people like Looky Likey posted on here from the weekender, it seems to be more of a case that FW would still be doing their own rules but with considerably increased oversight/interferance from GW's main studio. Sounds like they got thoroughly fed up with it when working on the Custodes rules last year so Talons, Fires and anything else they might have been working on has been shelved.
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Does this mean that GW Main is in charge of Krieg/Elysian rules?
The suggestion was that GW Main would do all 40k & AoS, and Specialist Games would do the rest (but GW Main seem to be doing the all-plastic games such as Kill Team & Underworlds as well).
From what people like Looky Likey posted on here from the weekender, it seems to be more of a case that FW would still be doing their own rules but with considerably increased oversight/interferance from GW's main studio. Sounds like they got thoroughly fed up with it when working on the Custodes rules last year so Talons, Fires and anything else they might have been working on has been shelved.
In fairness to GW, some of it does also seem to be that FW struggled to keep up with rules in previous editions and with the GW policy having shifted to keep up with FAQ's and the like, FW would otherwise be even further behind.
Malevolence leaks, for those of you who are interested in such things. Super cool new consul types. Definitely gonna have to add a Mortificator to my Grand Company, though I am a little sad that it's not an actual HQ dreadnought.
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Does this mean that GW Main is in charge of Krieg/Elysian rules?
The suggestion was that GW Main would do all 40k & AoS, and Specialist Games would do the rest (but GW Main seem to be doing the all-plastic games such as Kill Team & Underworlds as well).
From what people like Looky Likey posted on here from the weekender, it seems to be more of a case that FW would still be doing their own rules but with considerably increased oversight/interferance from GW's main studio. Sounds like they got thoroughly fed up with it when working on the Custodes rules last year so Talons, Fires and anything else they might have been working on has been shelved.
In fairness to GW, some of it does also seem to be that FW struggled to keep up with rules in previous editions and with the GW policy having shifted to keep up with FAQ's and the like, FW would otherwise be even further behind.
I wonder if GW's own internal policies of rumour prevention also comes into play. I seem to recall that even something as big as Age of Sigmar was a big surprise for the FW team. So it might be that their delays aren't just their own internal issues, but that they are also kept out of the loop for so long that things get dropped on them suddenly. that might be a really big annoyance if they've just spent resources developing something that is then being shelved because they weren't told about major events/releases/updates coming in a few months time.
That said FW seems to really be in a lot of flux at present; their old AoS design team apparently got closed down and folded into something else within FW before they'd actually released anything save for a handful of AoS alternate heads for Stormcast.
I wonder if GW's own internal policies of rumour prevention also comes into play.
FW mentioned at the Weekender that all FAQ updates, temporary rule releases (such as Sanguinius's rules) all have to go via Warhammer Community now so it wouldn't surprise me if Community is also managing all public release information for FW.
LOLOLOLOL, some guy who writes articles at community added legion torsos to the article. Only to remove them later.
I guess this perfectly illustrates how flawlessly they all communicate
CragHack wrote: LOLOLOLOL, some guy who writes articles at community added legion torsos to the article. Only to remove them later.
I guess this perfectly illustrates how flawlessly they all communicate
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Yup, so ""tight"" that every SM and CSM list building discussion has someone declaring "just add 3 leviathans/deredeos/that one broken contemptor sub-variant, they only fire 40d6 S20 shots from 5 pts guns on rerollable 2+ BS, making the rest of the potential choices pointless in compar-- er, I mean, they are totes balanced, why people don't want to play with my recast pay-to-win what complete jerks"
Hell, even Shadow Spear discussion had someone declare every single new model garbage and terrible purchase because hellforged leviathan/deredeo guns are 50 times stronger for the equivalent points, yup, what great "balance" at work...
tneva82 wrote: Well fw heard of 40n 8th ed and need to write rules to it same time rest of the world heard of it
Yup, and that's why Alan wanted to migrate HH to 8th and was actually halfway through writing 8th edition HH rules despite dying before 8th edition was released... Oh wait
zedmeister wrote: I believe the general comment was that the main GW studio are keeping a very tight reign on 40k rules and Forgeworld aren't currently able to produce any new Imperial Armour books. So Fires and Talons are pretty much sunk for now and we're reliant on the main studio to give us rules.
Yup, so ""tight"" that every SM and CSM list building discussion has someone declaring "just add 3 leviathans/deredeos/that one broken contemptor sub-variant, they only fire 40d6 S20 shots from 5 pts guns on rerollable 2+ BS, making the rest of the potential choices pointless in compar-- er, I mean, they are totes balanced, why people don't want to play with my recast pay-to-win what complete jerks"
Hell, even Shadow Spear discussion had someone declare every single new model garbage and terrible purchase because hellforged leviathan/deredeo guns are 50 times stronger for the equivalent points, yup, what great "balance" at work...
tneva82 wrote: Well fw heard of 40n 8th ed and need to write rules to it same time rest of the world heard of it
Yup, and that's why Alan wanted to migrate HH to 8th and was actually halfway through writing 8th edition HH rules despite dying before 8th edition was released... Oh wait
He Ibris, just stop, do you really need to be proven wrong about FW P2W lulz a second time?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: So anyway, back to news. Is there nothing new this week apart from plugging the chaos marine upgrade parts? That's very dull if that's it.
Looks like it, unfortunately. Despite the fact that they have a large backlog of miniatures ready for release. Probably told not to release anything today to avoid "Stealing" from the new Chaos releases...
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: So anyway, back to news. Is there nothing new this week apart from plugging the chaos marine upgrade parts? That's very dull if that's it.
Don't know if it counts, but some of the pre-orders for Malevolence from the Weekender are out in the wild now and people are posting about it elsewhere.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: So anyway, back to news. Is there nothing new this week apart from plugging the chaos marine upgrade parts? That's very dull if that's it.
People have been posting tons of spoilers from Heresy Book 8. Great stuff, including Sanguinius, Jagatai and lots of juicy new units for all legions.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: So anyway, back to news. Is there nothing new this week apart from plugging the chaos marine upgrade parts? That's very dull if that's it.
People have been posting tons of spoilers from Heresy Book 8. Great stuff, including Sanguinius, Jagatai and lots of juicy new units for all legions.
Shame nothing was released today. I so want my quake and gatling cannons for my warlords! I'm much less bothered about leaks from an £80 rulebook for a game nobody in my area has played since 8th edition dropped.
Was his name always spelt Tsolomon Khan, or is that a misprint? I've always seen it as Solomon, and felt it's a great nod to Solomon Cain, though it could be people hearing "Tsolomon" as "Solomon" when asking questions at the convention.
GaroRobe wrote: Was his name always spelt Tsolomon Khan, or is that a misprint? I've always seen it as Solomon, and felt it's a great nod to Solomon Cain, though it could be people hearing "Tsolomon" as "Solomon" when asking questions at the convention.
It’s Tsolmon, yeah. It still is a nod to Solomon Cain, presumably, just made more eastern looking because White Scars.
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Platuan4th wrote: Oh lord, they felt the need to call out there's a section on rules for Daemon bases in the friggin' table of contents.
It’s just a page with the base size for each entry in the daemon list so you can use a variety of models for the entries. There’s not Bloodletters/Daemonettes etc in the list, there’s like ‘lesser daemon of the ruinstorm’ etc with loads of different options to differentiate. Lots you could do with it, someone elsewhere mentioned using Nighthaunt models which I like the idea of.
dan2026 wrote: I'm actually interested to see what a 30k Daemon army looks like.
I really like it, its like the old 3.5 version of the Chaos Marine with the level of flexibility. They have managed to create something very different from 8th edition demons but you can still reuse your existing models. I am worried about balance of the list though as there are so many different options/upgrades a few broken combos could have slipped through. Time will tell on that I guess.
I wonder if GW's own internal policies of rumour prevention also comes into play.
FW mentioned at the Weekender that all FAQ updates, temporary rule releases (such as Sanguinius's rules) all have to go via Warhammer Community now so it wouldn't surprise me if Community is also managing all public release information for FW.
They hired a communication team. It seems silly not to have every team and department funnel through the communication department.
CragHack wrote: LOLOLOLOL, some guy who writes articles at community added legion torsos to the article. Only to remove them later.
I guess this perfectly illustrates how flawlessly they all communicate
When did the Legion torso's get scrapped out of interest?
Red_Five wrote: They hired a communication team. It seems silly not to have every team and department funnel through the communication department.
Depends how well that team works, see the mistakes made over things like torsos and I know for a fact that stuff sits on their desk that is ready for release. I still don't have the rules for my Ordiantus Aktaeus, Anuj had given those rules given to the community team before the Weekender with the instruction to have them out in time for the Weekender yet they still sit on the Community teams desk. He can't give them to me so I'm stuck with a ~£300 model I haven't been able to use for weeks. When I chase them they give me a load of cobblers first about the rules not being ready, then them waiting for the model to be released. That's the opposite of what Forgeworld actually wanted for this model, Community shouldn't be making decisions like that.
Forge World Facebook advises that Sanguinius with Diorama Base is available online until 9th of May, after that date its only available at events and at Warhammer World.
CragHack wrote: Holy fething Emperor's balls, those prices! 156 euros for Sanguinius with base...
But i allready sold my Kidney......
No seriously they need to reevaluate their prices.
And that comes from a guy who lives in one of the richest countries in the world
Let me tell you something about statistics,
Statistically i would have 250'000 CHF in my bank account just for free use. Since i am Swiss.
My bank account total is 312.70 CHF. and about 70% of swiss people will have a somewhat similar bank account after paying all their Socials expenditure, taxes, etc.
Do not advocate for recasting in this (or any) thread on Dakka.
It's OK to post "the price is too high". It's not OK to post "I'll be buying a recast / here's where to buy a recast / etc etc". I had to make some edits above regarding this.
We want manufacturers to participate on Dakka, and this kind of posting has always been against our site policy. If you have any questions, just PM me - thanks.
hobojebus wrote: Things are only worth what you are willing to pay, vote with your wallets.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for niche luxury products. Even if everybody on a modest income who wanted one chose not to buy a Rolex because they're too expensive, Rolex aren't going to lower their prices because so long as they can rake in the cash selling at ludicrous prices to people for whom money is essentially meaningless beyond being a way to "keep score" they have no incentive to cater to the riff raff. FW may not be quite that ridiculous, but they've made it perfectly clear that they see their primary customer base as the people who can drop a grand and a half on a single model and not even feel it.
They're still a long, long way off pricing things high enough to upset their "whales", and those are the only people who's wallet-based voting matters.
RiTides wrote: Do not advocate for recasting in this (or any) thread on Dakka.
It's OK to post "the price is too high". It's not OK to post "I'll be buying a recast / here's where to buy a recast / etc etc". I had to make some edits above regarding this.
We want manufacturers to participate on Dakka, and this kind of posting has always been against our site policy. If you have any questions, just PM me - thanks.
We're serious about not condoning recasting in this thread. Since two warnings have already been posted, further posts of that nature will simply be removed (as I've just done).
If you are unsure of anything, please just PM me and I'd be happy to discuss - thanks.
Gael Knight wrote: That Sanguinius model is horrendous. Did forgeworld get rid of the decent sculptors that worked on the first few Primarchs or what?
Its really not. If you haven't seen the model in the flesh (with diorama base) you can't really judge. I was of the same opinion until I saw it at the weekender. Photos do not do it justice at all. its probably the best primarch model yet.
As such I was one of those guys and paid full price for the model and base. Sorry guys! I was fortunate enough to have the disposable income a few months ago before my upcoming wedding sucked up all the rest.
Biggest issue with the model is that the pose is for the diorama base. Without it it looks bit weird. With it it makes more sense.
Well. People wanted dynamic poses with leaping models and they are getting it
Sculpting wise etc I like it. Likely get it one day. Not with base though for sure since that's limited time available and hobby budget does not cover it before that runs out.
Yeah you need the base really. Although Modellers with any level of skill should be able to create a diorama base for him with their enemy of choice under his spear/sword. in that way its actually quite cool.
Gael Knight wrote: That Sanguinius model is horrendous. Did forgeworld get rid of the decent sculptors that worked on the first few Primarchs or what?
Its really not. If you haven't seen the model in the flesh (with diorama base) you can't really judge. I was of the same opinion until I saw it at the weekender. Photos do not do it justice at all. its probably the best primarch model yet.
As such I was one of those guys and paid full price for the model and base. Sorry guys! I was fortunate enough to have the disposable income a few months ago before my upcoming wedding sucked up all the rest.
Don't suppose you could take some measurements please? I am wondering if my Heresy Angel will be suitable size wise.
Gael Knight wrote: That Sanguinius model is horrendous. Did forgeworld get rid of the decent sculptors that worked on the first few Primarchs or what?
Its really not. If you haven't seen the model in the flesh (with diorama base) you can't really judge. I was of the same opinion until I saw it at the weekender. Photos do not do it justice at all. its probably the best primarch model yet.
As such I was one of those guys and paid full price for the model and base. Sorry guys! I was fortunate enough to have the disposable income a few months ago before my upcoming wedding sucked up all the rest.
Don't suppose you could take some measurements please? I am wondering if my Heresy Angel will be suitable size wise.
I havent built him yet. got loads to do before I get to him unfortunately. From the weekender, if I remember right, his height was maybe 4-5 inches. he's taller than the other Primarchs due to his wings and display base.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Yeah you need the base really. Although Modellers with any level of skill should be able to create a diorama base for him with their enemy of choice under his spear/sword. in that way its actually quite cool.
I have been trying to convince my friend to use replace the daemon with his Magnus model!
Fireball wrote: I am really mad at me for not doing the preorder on Friday ... now the display version is out of stock :(
They said it would also be available at big cons, so you just need to find a friend who is going to one and ask that they but it for you
Not so convinced...
In addition a new book for an (at least y me) unloved ruleset.
I am getting less and less interested…
Sad, considering how many FWHH minis I got.
Get rid of them silly hair ornaments and it would look half decent. Id love forgeworld to make some reasonable looking guns though. All the Heresy weapons look like something from star trek
I always thought that was intentional? A lot of the older tech across the whole setting has a retro vibe to it. I mean, Blackstone Fortress has a Dark Age pistol that looks like a classic ringed raygun.
They look good, but the Terminator has another example of "how do I draw this sword?" syndrome- the scabbard follows the flare at the tip, meaning it cannot be drawn without tearing the sheath...
IIRC most flared sheaths had releases on the back/inside curve. I read the binding on the WS one as that, but yeah, it really doesn't look like you could release it...
spiralingcadaver wrote: I always thought that was intentional? A lot of the older tech across the whole setting has a retro vibe to it. I mean, Blackstone Fortress has a Dark Age pistol that looks like a classic ringed raygun.
but it doesnt really fit with the SM aesthetic, and they just seem a little odd.
So, been flicking through my copy of Malevolence. Few things spotted already:
- Heavy references to Sisters of Silence Erinyes Pattern Jetbikes
- New Custodes Lord of War - Ares gunship - took a picture and is spoilered below. About the price of an Orion and comes with a 2-shot Arachnus Magna-blaze cannon. Two fire modes, either a S10 AP1 Exoshock, Armourbane, Instant Death or S8 AP2 Large Blast. Critical weakness on the Armour 10 rear though which will see it explode with 1 unlucky hit...
Automatically Appended Next Post: There's a brand new Purple, Black and Gold Custodes scheme which looks sweet.
Further references to Vehicles in the stories include:
- Custodes Equinox interceptors
- Coleoptera Scout Automata
- Multiple references to the Obsolete Kratos Tank
- Sabre strike tanks
Finally, special mention to the Dæmons of the Ruinstorm list. It's absolutely amazing and very much in the feeling of the ancient "Realm of Chaos" books and lists. First off, you choose your horde of Dæmons. Instead of choosing specific models, you select things like Lesser Dæmons, Dæmon Brute, Dæmon Shrikes each with their base size as a guide (lesser Dæmons on 25mm and 32mm bases, Brutes on 50mm bases etc). Next you select Rite of War style Ætheric Dominion. This is where you tweak your Dæmons to a specific power. Crimson Fury, for example, is very Khorne-esque (models get Rage and there are specific victory conditions). They have 6 dominions. 4 main powers, 1 undivided and, most interestingly enough, the Mirror of Hatred Dominion. This gives your Dæmons Hatred against other Dæmons. It also has something called the Infinite cycle - you get 1vp for killing enemy Dæmons, loose 1vp for loosing friendly Dæmons and you win if you have exactly zero victory points at the end of the game! Yes, this actually allows you to field a Malal style Dæmon force! The list is massively customisable allowing you to go mental with any models you like to represent the Dæmon horde but they do advise to try to keep them consistent. You could for example, field a bunch of Daughters of Khaine models to represent Dæmon Beasts or a mix of Sylvaneth to represent the Tzeentch style Maddening Swarn dominion. Or you could go all out and convert your insanity inducing swarm.
Do Forgeworld use the 'Eavy Metal team to paint their models or is it in house? I really like the Scars heads but the rest of the models don't do it for me.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Do Forgeworld use the 'Eavy Metal team to paint their models or is it in house? I really like the Scars heads but the rest of the models don't do it for me.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Do Forgeworld use the 'Eavy Metal team to paint their models or is it in house? I really like the Scars heads but the rest of the models don't do it for me.
Currently I think they're using Homer Simpson's makeup-shotgun.
zedmeister wrote: So, been flicking through my copy of Malevolence. Few things spotted already:
- Heavy references to Sisters of Silence Erinyes Pattern Jetbikes
- New Custodes Lord of War - Ares gunship - took a picture and is spoilered below. About the price of an Orion and comes with a 2-shot Arachnus Magna-blaze cannon. Two fire modes, either a S10 AP1 Exoshock, Armourbane, Instant Death or S8 AP2 Large Blast. Critical weakness on the Armour 10 rear though which will see it explode with 1 unlucky hit...
Automatically Appended Next Post: There's a brand new Purple, Black and Gold Custodes scheme which looks sweet.
Further references to Vehicles in the stories include:
- Custodes Equinox interceptors
- Coleoptera Scout Automata
- Multiple references to the Obsolete Kratos Tank
- Sabre strike tanks
Spoiler:
Finally, special mention to the Dæmons of the Ruinstorm list. It's absolutely amazing and very much in the feeling of the ancient "Realm of Chaos" books and lists. First off, you choose your horde of Dæmons. Instead of choosing specific models, you select things like Lesser Dæmons, Dæmon Brute, Dæmon Shrikes each with their base size as a guide (lesser Dæmons on 25mm and 32mm bases, Brutes on 50mm bases etc). Next you select Rite of War style Ætheric Dominion. This is where you tweak your Dæmons to a specific power. Crimson Fury, for example, is very Khorne-esque (models get Rage and there are specific victory conditions). They have 6 dominions. 4 main powers, 1 undivided and, most interestingly enough, the Mirror of Hatred Dominion. This gives your Dæmons Hatred against other Dæmons. It also has something called the Infinite cycle - you get 1vp for killing enemy Dæmons, loose 1vp for loosing friendly Dæmons and you win if you have exactly zero victory points at the end of the game! Yes, this actually allows you to field a Malal style Dæmon force! The list is massively customisable allowing you to go mental with any models you like to represent the Dæmon horde but they do advise to try to keep them consistent. You could for example, field a bunch of Daughters of Khaine models to represent Dæmon Beasts or a mix of Sylvaneth to represent the Tzeentch style Maddening Swarn dominion. Or you could go all out and convert your insanity inducing swarm.
I'm really interested to see how they fill out the Sisters & Custodes ranges. I wonder what the scout automata will look like?
Tyranid Horde wrote: Do Forgeworld use the 'Eavy Metal team to paint their models or is it in house? I really like the Scars heads but the rest of the models don't do it for me.
Neither, Forgeworld outsource their painting.
Not true. Borja Garcia is a full time forgeworld painter. Here is some of his work.
He's certainly done a lot of models that people have been moaning about.
Really? That Instagram portfolio is of a pretty high standard. Most of the models that people dislike were not painted by him. The space Wolf for example is not his work. There is at least one more forgeworld painter, but I think he is the only one who is active on social media.
I was thinking of Kria the Huntress from Necromunda, which on further inspection doesn't appear in that list, so I appear to be mistaken. Mind you, I liked that paint job, so I'm not sure which ones you lot like or dislike.
He's certainly done a lot of models that people have been moaning about.
Really? That Instagram portfolio is of a pretty high standard. Most of the models that people dislike were not painted by him. The space Wolf for example is not his work. There is at least one more forgeworld painter, but I think he is the only one who is active on social media.
There is a second painter who, as far as I know, doesn't have any social media presence. He is the one responsible for the gak paintjobs (example) most people complain about, he's also internal to GW and wasn't hired from outside. There's quite a lot of resistance to him being there but strings were pulled.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was browsing FW the other day and wondered why they still still had the Chaos weapons arms up when the body has been gone for a while. I thought this was one of the models that got cleared out as part of their range “rationalisation”; now wondering whether it was just a damaged mould or if they’re going to be rolling back some of the other cuts.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was browsing FW the other day and wondered why they still still had the Chaos weapons arms up when the body has been gone for a while. I thought this was one of the models that got cleared out as part of their range “rationalisation”; now wondering whether it was just a damaged mould or if they’re going to be rolling back some of the other cuts.
I wouldn't read much into the range as a whole based on the Titan models- the Titans have always been prestige pieces which are as much marketing as profitable. They don't really need to be hugely profitable, they are more a statement of GW's ability to produce massive centrepiece models and an awe-inspiring bit of marketing for little Charlie when s/he sees the thing in the window of a GW store.
Haighus wrote: I wouldn't read much into the range as a whole based on the Titan models- the Titans have always been prestige pieces which are as much marketing as profitable. They don't really need to be hugely profitable, they are more a statement of GW's ability to produce massive centrepiece models and an awe-inspiring bit of marketing for little Charlie when s/he sees the thing in the window of a GW store.
I wouldn't be so sure, FW have sold hundreds of the 40k scale Warlords alone based on the numbers seen for the certificates - they started at 1 for the Warlord. At approx £1250 per Warlord that is over £250k.
Warhounds are at about ~5500 last I saw, not sure if they started at zero for those, I think they did. My Reaver certificate number is approx.1400, last I saw was about 2500.
Haighus wrote: I wouldn't read much into the range as a whole based on the Titan models- the Titans have always been prestige pieces which are as much marketing as profitable. They don't really need to be hugely profitable, they are more a statement of GW's ability to produce massive centrepiece models and an awe-inspiring bit of marketing for little Charlie when s/he sees the thing in the window of a GW store.
I wouldn't be so sure, FW have sold hundreds of the 40k scale Warlords alone based on the numbers seen for the certificates - they started at 1 for the Warlord. At approx £1250 per Warlord that is over £250k.
Warhounds are at about ~5500 last I saw, not sure if they started at zero for those, I think they did. My Reaver certificate number is approx.1400, last I saw was about 2500.
My release day Warbringer was 200+, obviously they don't ship out in order but that suggests they were confident enough to make a few hundred of them ready for launch and the Warbringer is not THAT much cheaper than a Warlord (relatively). Reaver and Warlord were both under 50.
So did the tiny knight variations get shelved? It seems like the armiger platform could have a sweet cc type. The ankle biter. Tell a story about a squad killing real titans. Boom, sold.
AndrewGPaul wrote: It _would_ surprise me, because that's a Forge World model for Horus Heresy, and not a citadel model for 40k.
Doesn’t matter whether it is FW or GW, 30k design or 40k. There is plenty of cross over between the 2, with a lot of FW stuff having 40k rules filling gaps in the GW armies. We know Admech are getting a transport, and now, we have this released on pre-order.
Granted it doesn’t have 40k rules uploaded for it (yet, maybe) but it could still happen.
I don’t expect it to be the case, but, part of me also acknowledges the possibility.
I believe they specifically said it was going to be a perennial at the WHW store.
They also explained its genesis; the guy that designed the BB Minotaurs made both variants simultaneously as his first ‘learning’ digital sculpt and they decided to make the regular one generally available as it best represents the basic starting Minotaur but this guy (obviously) has Claws so they felt keeping it back as an exclusive would be better as not everyone is going to go for that option.
Mr_Rose wrote: I believe they specifically said it was going to be a perennial at the WHW store.
They also explained its genesis; the guy that designed the BB Minotaurs made both variants simultaneously as his first ‘learning’ digital sculpt and they decided to make the regular one generally available as it best represents the basic starting Minotaur but this guy (obviously) has Claws so they felt keeping it back as an exclusive would be better as not everyone is going to go for that option.
That's...not very sound reasoning. What makes them think that the only people who would want to go for that option can attend events/WHW? Of course, they don't think that, they think they have a cool variant that with an option that a lot of people will want to take, and they're leveraging that to try and drive event attendance.
AndrewGPaul wrote: It _would_ surprise me, because that's a Forge World model for Horus Heresy, and not a citadel model for 40k.
Doesn’t matter whether it is FW or GW, 30k design or 40k. There is plenty of cross over between the 2, with a lot of FW stuff having 40k rules filling gaps in the GW armies. We know Admech are getting a transport, and now, we have this released on pre-order.
Granted it doesn’t have 40k rules uploaded for it (yet, maybe) but it could still happen.
I don’t expect it to be the case, but, part of me also acknowledges the possibility.
The video was published under the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook account, not Forge World. So, it's not a Forge World unit, and not for Horus Heresy. So not this Mole tunneller.
But those Scars jeez they look extremly boring. The Ebon Keshig is pretty much just Tart Termis and the Golden Keshig are just Jetbike dudes with lances I had hoped they'll be mounted on Bullock Pattern Jetbikes. All special units from other factions look extemly unique while the Scars, who are the most different of all legions, is just vanilla borign
But those Scars jeez they look extremly boring. The Ebon Keshig is pretty much just Tart Termis and the Golden Keshig are just Jetbike dudes with lances I had hoped they'll be mounted on Bullock Pattern Jetbikes. All special units from other factions look extemly unique while the Scars, who are the most different of all legions, is just vanilla borign
The golden Keshig have their own jetbike pattern.
I like the Ebon Keshig a lot. They’re essentially a penal unit, it makes sense to me that their armour would be relatively unadorned, and sometimes they go overboard with the Legion specific detail. I picked a set up. Plus the specific Land Speeder looks awesome, in my opinion.
Brutes, Daemons of the Ruinstorm - allegedly summoned by Logar and not loyal to any one God.
Yeah, we'll make them 30k only. Wouldn't Want Chaos Undivided getting any ideas above their station or anything. My God Emperor, next thing you know, they they'll be demanding Daemon Princes of their own! FLUFF? HUH?
Yeah, we'll make them 30k only. Wouldn't Want Chaos Undivided getting any ideas above their station or anything. My God Emperor, next thing you know, they they'll be demanding Daemon Princes of their own! FLUFF? HUH?
I really dislike the current hyperfocus on the four gods. I liked the old times when there were all sorts of minor gods and unaligned beings. It made the warp to feel more wild and undefinable and well, uh... chaotic!
I really dislike the current hyperfocus on the four gods. I liked the old times when there were all sorts of minor gods and unaligned beings. It made the warp to feel more wild and undefinable and well, uh... chaotic!
ATMGW's mantra is 'If it does not have a mini it dos not exist'. Because we might not be able to copyright it if we don't (and even if we do) so we have to punish the players to protect our IP.
I really dislike the current hyperfocus on the four gods. I liked the old times when there were all sorts of minor gods and unaligned beings. It made the warp to feel more wild and undefinable and well, uh... chaotic!
ATMGW's mantra is 'If it does not have a mini it dos not exist'. Because we might not be able to copyright it if we don't (and even if we do) so we have to punish the players to protect our IP.
In fairness to GW they are about the only major miniatures producer on the market who have whole companies copy-catting their armies with alternative models. Heck millions of pounds have been raised starting companies making alternative Bloodbowl games and whole lines of models such as Raging Heroes.
So form GW's point of view it makes perfect sense not to load their game with stuff that they aren't yet producing. Companies like Privateer Press are safer because there aren't alternate lines being made of their models, they can put a "Warblechicken" in an army book and not sell it for 2 years and there won't be another company spring up and make it. GW on the other hand releases a new model and within a few weeks/months there are alternate options on sale.
The other side of the coin is that GW used to have loads of models that were not made and never ever got made. Tyranids had several hero variations that were never made into models. Now experienced gamers are happy to convert, but many beginners or those with less skill and free time to learn couldn't use that model without just using a proxy. Others might have been waiting for the official model to use - so there were gamers running around with armies that iddn't have the full options from the codex/battletome. GW's new attitude is fairer to newbies and safer for GW protecting its income. And honestly we get the same number of models as customers, the only difference is that we don't have years of using proxy/conversions for a model that GW hasn't released .
That dark angels terminator is one of the coolest models I've seen, hands down. The paint job on it is better than many other FW paint jobs and the iconography screams 'holy warrior' perfectly. Wow. Just wow.
OH WOW, those 1st Legionaries looks fantastic..... I think the DA's might be my allies to my Xana II Mechanicum. I could re-play the Rangdan Xenocides
Like someone above said, these DA designs blow the WhiteScars out of the water. That is such a shame as I really dig the WS, but hot damn those Dark Angels.... Forgeworld shut up and take my money!
I can't also wait for the new Acastus knight it looks amazing.
Holy crap. That contemptor is beautiful. Who ever sculpted that utterly nailed it.
The Leviathan isn't quite as nice, but is still pretty hot. I really like the banding (?) on both of them. Gives them a certain something.
And both those praetors are quite nice as well, although given the DA's whole shtick of forbidden weaponry and arceotech tomfoolery, the choice of weapons seemed somewhat subdued.
And hey whaddya know, the paintjobs aren't complete arse either. 1st Legion winning on all fronts.
As an enormous Space Wolves fan, I’m glad my FW models came out before these DA models. Imagine my expectations for the Wolves after seeing those, and then imagine how much more crushed I’d be with what we got.
I’m happy for the DA fans. Very nice looking stuff.
dienekes96 wrote: As an enormous Space Wolves fan, I’m glad my FW models came out before these DA models. Imagine my expectations for the Wolves after seeing those, and then imagine how much more crushed I’d be with what we got.
I’m happy for the DA fans. Very nice looking stuff.
Looks like they got some new sculptors or stoped using the interns for the 30k stuff and yes wolf and scars players have my sympathies.
Hopefully going forward both the models and paint jobs stay more like this and less like the past 18mths?
I would say these actual come close to justifying FW prices.
Albertorius wrote: Those are some stellar Black Templar minis, right there.
Right? If it wasn't for the sword and wing iconography, I would think these were Black Templars, not Dark Angels. Regardless, some crafty filing and placement of Templar Crosses would not be difficult at all on these guys for conversions.
It's been a long time since they've done anything HH related that caught my eye. But these dark angels are very nice, much better than the space wolf stuff. Too bad I don't play 30k. I just can't go back to doing resin, not a fan of the material. Also the lack of mk II crusader armor in resin or even plastic hurts. Had I any interest in starting a HH army I would prefer mk II over mk III as III is just a bulked up mk II and maybe a bit too clunky for my tastes. Mk II fits the knightly dark angels aesthetic much better.
I don't like Dark Angels as a rule but those sculpts are just gorgeous. They clearly gave the job to someone who cares much more about DA that the person who sculpted the Scars.
Thargrim wrote: It's been a long time since they've done anything HH related that caught my eye. But these dark angels are very nice, much better than the space wolf stuff. Too bad I don't play 30k. I just can't go back to doing resin, not a fan of the material. Also the lack of mk II crusader armor in resin or even plastic hurts. Had I any interest in starting a HH army I would prefer mk II over mk III as III is just a bulked up mk II and maybe a bit too clunky for my tastes. Mk II fits the knightly dark angels aesthetic much better.
Yeah I agree on the MKII. It's by far my fav HH armour and the fact that it's the only one(other then MKV) in resin still kinda sucks. I actually really like resin but the price would be a lot better in plastic. I do like my mechanicum tho.
So after waiting ~4 months for the rules for the new Mole to finally show up after I bought one at the weekender (despite being told the rules were sent to Community for publishing before the weekender started) and having bought a Knight Asterius at Warhammer Fest I wonder if I can ask Dakka for a favour? If you could spare five minutes to demand the rules for the Asterius from the Community team because I am getting fobbed off with that they will be released when the model will be released (as I was with the Mole), which could be months from now.
Looks like a repeat of the Legion Contemptor variants. Endless dreadnoughts with legion markings. And after they're done, there's the Deredeo. And by then a new Dreadnought Chassis will be out and they can start again...
zedmeister wrote: Looks like a repeat of the Legion Contemptor variants. Endless dreadnoughts with legion markings. And after they're done, there's the Deredeo. And by then a new Dreadnought Chassis will be out and they can start again...
I think Khan will be out before years end, but probably not both. He'll be next year, then they'll probably (hopefully) mop up some of the main characters still without models, before moving onto the emperor.
At one point there was talk of a second version of several as the get Chaosified. But no official word I don’t think.
Not on the emperor actually coming..
Khan, now that they did say they’d like to do one on jet bike and one not. As to whether will though, who knows
Danny76 wrote: At one point there was talk of a second version of several as the get Chaosified. But no official word I don’t think.
Not on the emperor actually coming..
Khan, now that they did say they’d like to do one on jet bike and one not. As to whether will though, who knows
There was official word that they would do the Emperor and chaos versions of some of the others, it was a few years ago now though.
Danny76 wrote: At one point there was talk of a second version of several as the get Chaosified. But no official word I don’t think.
Not on the emperor actually coming..
Khan, now that they did say they’d like to do one on jet bike and one not. As to whether will though, who knows
They def are at least considering bringing emperor to the game seeing he is mentioned in custodian list.
Not fan of idea. He is either bonkers good or silly weak in game
When I spoke to Simon Egan at the Heresy weekender he mentioned the emperor getting a model. Not explicitly but as a designer I figured he'd probably be in the know. Chaos horus would be cool as long as its not too cartoony.
I haven't seen these images in the thread, so here you go. A pair of Dark Angels tanks, shown off in the 30k seminar, showcasing their paintschemes on larger pieces of armor.
Danny76 wrote: At one point there was talk of a second version of several as the get Chaosified. But no official word I don’t think.
Not on the emperor actually coming..
Khan, now that they did say they’d like to do one on jet bike and one not. As to whether will though, who knows
I wonder if they Chaos versions have been dropped now, as seems like GW is producing models of the daemon primarchs and I guess the ones that don't go full daemon probably wont have changed enough to justify a new model, and I don't believe the daemon primarchs in 30k are going to look that different to how they look in 40k.
Horus seems a likely exception though as I imagine if they do a model of the Emperor it will be part of a pretty hefty display set of the confrontation on the Vengeful spirit, and of course GW proper aren't going to be producing a 40k Horus model, what with him being dead and everything.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: When I spoke to Simon Egan at the Heresy weekender he mentioned the emperor getting a model. Not explicitly but as a designer I figured he'd probably be in the know. Chaos horus would be cool as long as its not too cartoony.
If I were FW I would very seriously consider not giving him rules; just do the model as a collectors piece, to round our the set.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: When I spoke to Simon Egan at the Heresy weekender he mentioned the emperor getting a model. Not explicitly but as a designer I figured he'd probably be in the know. Chaos horus would be cool as long as its not too cartoony.
If I were FW I would very seriously consider not giving him rules; just do the model as a collectors piece, to round our the set.
If they did do that, people would be complaining that he has no rules, which would suck. Not 30k/40k related, but I'm surprised Forgeworld hasn't made a Sigmar model yet, for AOS. The Mortal Realms are full of gods, like Morathi and Nagash, so a Sigmar model wouldn't be completely crazy
AoS is a bit odd though in how its got the Gods on the Table and honestly Nagash and such actually feel quite significantly underpowered compared to their lore versions. Morathi is likely a touch closer as she's only a demi-god not an actual god (she missed out on godhood as she was languishing in Slaanesh's belly)
I'm interested in how they'd do the emperor and how people would paint him. I'm imagining something similar to xerxes in 300, as he's always described as being gold for some reason.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I'm interested in how they'd do the emperor and how people would paint him. I'm imagining something similar to xerxes in 300, as he's always described as being gold for some reason.
Well Xerces would seem more of a Slaanesh thing to me but...
I think you just balance the emperor in point cost.
He'd be quite easy to do rule wise in 8th edition. He's no different to a warlord titan in some ways. Yeah super powered, but with a high enough point cost, you could bring enough on the other sized to start taking chunks out of the wound count.
Maybe some sort of special rule where the power is held back in terms of psychic etc until he is low wounds (Inverse of the current way monsters and vehicles are) to represent him not unleashing his full might till he needs too.
That's 8th edition anyway, maybe something similar in terms of he gets better closer to death could be done for the heresy era rules.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: When I spoke to Simon Egan at the Heresy weekender he mentioned the emperor getting a model. Not explicitly but as a designer I figured he'd probably be in the know. Chaos horus would be cool as long as its not too cartoony.
If I were FW I would very seriously consider not giving him rules; just do the model as a collectors piece, to round our the set.
Definitely the way they should go I think
ditto
maybe they could do Malcador as well.
Chaos infused Horus is a 50/50 for me. If they did a final showdown set with Biggie and him, it would only work if they got the poses and stylistically spot on it would be an insane centerpiece. But FW would be walkin a fine line and could screw it up quite easily.
Nagash is a tricky one as A he had always had a model. B the new powerful remade model was still Fantasy, and as we know models come first so could have been a while before, like before AoS conceptualization and such.
Lore wise now, they are making him (rightly so) as powerful as all the other Gods, so I think he’s just stuck as he has a model already.
It’s like making an actual Khorne model I guess.
Morathi, I don’t think comes into the same thing. She’s powerful, but no where near the gods levels
In the seminar, the artist explained that he wanted this design to be a counterpoint to the Blood Angels Spartan, so it's another aspect of the "Angel of Death" motif. In this case, the skeletal avenger, who looms out of the darkness.
Danny76 wrote: Nagash is a tricky one as A he had always had a model. B the new powerful remade model was still Fantasy, and as we know models come first so could have been a while before, like before AoS conceptualization and such.
Lore wise now, they are making him (rightly so) as powerful as all the other Gods, so I think he’s just stuck as he has a model already.
It’s like making an actual Khorne model I guess.
Morathi, I don’t think comes into the same thing. She’s powerful, but no where near the gods levels
We know that they were working on AoS for a lot longer than most people thought. I'd bet money everything that came out during ET was a stealth AoS release, Nagash included.
In the seminar, the artist explained that he wanted this design to be a counterpoint to the Blood Angels Spartan, so it's another aspect of the "Angel of Death" motif. In this case, the skeletal avenger, who looms out of the darkness.
Have you over info about 30k Dark Angels please? About the rules, the fig and iconography?
In the seminar, the artist explained that he wanted this design to be a counterpoint to the Blood Angels Spartan, so it's another aspect of the "Angel of Death" motif. In this case, the skeletal avenger, who looms out of the darkness.
Have you over info about 30k Dark Angels please? About the rules, the fig and iconography?
Not a lot, but some things were said at the seminar.
They are going for a "Terran Tech" feel for the Dark Angels. With them being the first legion, and having joined the crusade before the union with Mars, they will have relics and gear that's not associated with Mars, but with the Terran tech clans.
For the upcoming book, they are not going to debate the loyalty of the legion. They're loyal and that's that for now. The more "questionable" characters will likely come in a later release.
They want to work on the hexagrammaton and the orders a lot more, and how they affect the Dark Angel ways of war. The art and miniatures they showed off were covered in iconography, which the designers say, is how thry see the Dark Angels. Lots of subtle clues about which orders, circles and other stuff this particular marine is involved with. Most of it useless unless you're also "in the know".
Sadly, no. Though we may be in for a wait, since they weren't on early release at the 'Fest.
The new Knights (big and two different small), the Custodes Assault Flyer, the Ebon Keshig, the Hobbit Holes and a LOTR character were on early release. So it is likely that we will see these released first.
That's Not to say that changes to the release pattern are impossible, but they usually release all of the early release stuff before going on to new stuff.
Danny76 wrote: At one point there was talk of a second version of several as the get Chaosified.
Why bother? Plastic chaos primarchs are supposed to look exactly like they did in HH (being immortal and all), just give them HH rules and be done with it.
Unless it's another episode of "we hate GW plastics, let's pretend Blood Angels deputy leader, archangels and honor guard didn't exist in HH" FW idiocy
tneva82 wrote: FW releases marines. "Release something other than marines!"
FW releases non-marines: "okay so this week they released nothin"
Mmm yes, I'm sure Halflings and a Treeman are of great use to a 40K or 30K player who wanted armies other than Marines to be given some FW attention.
Come on guys, at least read through your snark a couple of times before you hit Submit to check if they can stand even the most cursory application of logic
Duncan must be having a mental breakdown trying to keep all this painting stuff straight. Having to alternate between paint names and various GW and FW brandings for similar things along with rapidly switching between "don't forget to thin your paints" and "slather the (contrast) paint on" must be stressful.
This is actually gak. I had to sell my Salamander army off due to them discontinuing these paints last year. I had no way to keep the same paint color consistency.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: This is actually gak. I had to sell my Salamander army off due to them discontinuing these paints last year. I had no way to keep the same paint color consistency.
Seriously? Even two bottle from the same range won't be completely consistent. I can understand not wanting to mix paints, but if you already have a painted army........
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Selling an army because you can't get a paint seems a bit drastic. This is why I always advise learning to mix paint.
Unfortunately, due to inconsistencies in paint composition and materials, mix a perfect duplicate of a given paint is neigh impossible. It's the reason that people use empty paint bottles, becasue producing exactly the same mix and exactly the same shade a second time can be a pain.
also, it's hard to make exact duplicates of greens sold by GW if you don't know what pigments went into them in the first place.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Selling an army because you can't get a paint seems a bit drastic. This is why I always advise learning to mix paint.
Unfortunately, due to inconsistencies in paint composition and materials, mix a perfect duplicate of a given paint is neigh impossible. It's the reason that people use empty paint bottles, becasue producing exactly the same mix and exactly the same shade a second time can be a pain.
also, it's hard to make exact duplicates of greens sold by GW if you don't know what pigments went into them in the first place.
Or if GW discontinues the colors you use to mix another color .
Or if GW discontinues the colors you use to mix another color .
One reason not to use citadel paints. Have never had that problem with Vallejo.
Yes, because not everyone (multiple shops) around me continuous carry Vallejo. All carry GW and most carry Army painter, even then I run into times where they are out of stock as most people around me buy GW. I started with Ral Partha paints decades ago, but consistently return to GW because I’m used to their flow, and I know I’m I never the minority as I don’t like dropper bottles . Yes I paint straight from the pot.
I guess I'm just not that picky. I don't paint armies so maybe it's not my place to say, but I don't mind a slight deviation in unit paint hues. Very much like you'd have in real life. And I think it's always possible to get a colour close enough that you wouldn't be able to notice the difference, so long as you know which colours to mix.
By the way, quite a few of them paints will be available in AIR, BASE and LAYER formats. AIR comes in 24 mil, LAYER AND BASE in respective 12 mil bottles :>
I made my own sons of horus green for my loken by mixing vallejo uniform green with kantor blue, then adjusted the hues with gauss blaster green or the blue edge.. Can't remember then name.
Man I'm still salty about the White Scars... they are such a unique Legion with a super distinct aesthetic. I was looking so much forward to them being one of my fav legions since "Scars" and... they look more vanilla then the fracking Ultramarines. A Tartaros pattern Termi unit which just has Glaives and nothing more and the golden Keshig who are just normal bikers with lances... wow how amazing. They couldn't even give them the Bullock patern from the books?
Spoiler:
even their special units are extremly boring as a concept almost all legions have super unique fun unit concepts I mean the BAngles have a freaking Dread with a Jumppack what do we get boring vanilla Terminators, some reskinned bikes and a cool speeder wooow... whats next? The Khan is just a normal Praetor model with a sword or smth Sorry for ranting but I'm still extremly salty about this. The scars should've been on the same level of uniqueness like the Sons and the Wolves (ouch) but they are just super boring.
Yeah... What a missed opportunity. I mean, I get that they need to fit the generic line, but they could have had way more distinct ornamentation than mini-shields, tassels, greenstuff texturing, and a few do-dads and weapons.
alexkon3 wrote: Man I'm still salty about the White Scars... they are such a unique Legion with a super distinct aesthetic. I was looking so much forward to them being one of my fav legions since "Scars" and... they look more vanilla then the fracking Ultramarines. Sorry for ranting but I'm still extremly salty about this. The scars should've been on the same level of uniqueness like the Sons and the Wolves (ouch) but they are just super boring.
From a rules perspective they have AP2 close combat weapons at initiative, on CC terminators, a CC jetbike squad with AP2 at I again, An infiltrating unit with all LCs, and a unique speeder weapon loadout. My Varagyr would kill for AP2 at initiative stuff and free FNP. From a model perspective they are far better sculpts then the SW got, excepting perhaps the Deathsworn.
Sitting here as an UM player, which hasn’t even got its jump or terminator unit yet, nor all it’s characters, listening to other people complain about their legion options...
(Got Guilliman and the Invictarii and that’s it - no unique Contemptor, no Leviathan(fair though, wasn’t out yet) and our alternative head options got taken away)
At least I can run them as normal Guard...
what complete jerks" 
Seriously? Even two bottle from the same range won't be completely consistent. I can understand not wanting to mix paints, but if you already have a painted army........
Yes I paint straight from the pot.
