Haighus wrote: I like it as a piece, it is very IoM/Ecclesiarchy/Sisters of Battle.
Personally, I think I'd be unlikely to get it, except to use as terrain when making a cathedral perhaps
It is a nice set piece. Probably more of a buffing unit than an offensive unit though. It seems to be armed with 2 multi-meltas and doesn't seem that sturdy.
I'm thinking a character type unit that has a similar role to a CCB.
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H wrote: Is that the same Hospitaler we saw before? It looks slightly different, but I might be misremembering.
I dig all of them, they aren't perfect, but they are good enough. I'm ready for these even if my wallet definitely isn't.
There is a hospitaler behind the Pulpit, yes.
There's another character off to the side though, and I don't recognize it.
Haighus wrote: I like it as a piece, it is very IoM/Ecclesiarchy/Sisters of Battle.
Personally, I think I'd be unlikely to get it, except to use as terrain when making a cathedral perhaps
It is a nice set piece. Probably more of a buffing unit than an offensive unit though. It seems to be armed with 2 multi-meltas and doesn't seem that sturdy.
I'm thinking a character type unit that has a similar role to a CCB.
The weapons look more like flamers to me; they have the igniter bit and round vent-holes.
H wrote: Is that the same Hospitaler we saw before? It looks slightly different, but I might be misremembering.
I dig all of them, they aren't perfect, but they are good enough. I'm ready for these even if my wallet definitely isn't.
There is a hospitaler behind the Pulpit, yes.
There's another character off to the side though, and I don't recognize it.
That one appears to be another Canoness pose, based on the finial of her Rod of Office. The one on the pulpit itself has a totally different one. Maybe a higher rank?
H wrote: Is that the same Hospitaler we saw before? It looks slightly different, but I might be misremembering.
I dig all of them, they aren't perfect, but they are good enough. I'm ready for these even if my wallet definitely isn't.
There is a hospitaler behind the Pulpit, yes.
There's another character off to the side though, and I don't recognize it.
That one appears to be another Canoness pose, based on the finial of her Rod of Office. The one on the pulpit itself has a totally different one. Maybe a higher rank?
Maybe it is a Canoness Superior. A lot of people have been wanting to see these ranks integrated into the rules. I just hope it isn't a special character tied to a specific order.
There is also something of note in the bottom left I can't place. A staff or some kind of ornament. Wonder what it could be.
It also looks like that eagle mount thing was photoshopped to some degree, like whatever the lower part is mounted on was likely cut out to help it fit onto the picture. I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole model is mounted on a tank like the Exorcist and Immolator are, or, maybe, an even bigger vehicle...? One can hope.
You know, in all the discussion about vehicles getting Acts of Faith, I didn't even think to mention that it may be irrelevant when it comes to using Miracle Dice to no blow up. Destiny Dice can only be used to replace specific rolls. There are a lot of different rolls you can replace with them, but you can't use them for just anything. We should probably wait to see if Miracle Dice can even be used on "don't blow up" rolls before we start making it part of our strategy.
It also looks like that eagle mount thing was photoshopped to some degree, like whatever the lower part is mounted on was likely cut out to help it fit onto the picture. I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole model is mounted on a tank like the Exorcist and Immolator are, or, maybe, an even bigger vehicle...? One can hope.
There is a big empty space behind it, and I don't see a stand lifting the platform up. In fact, in the image it really does look like the platform is just floating.
Perhaps GW has learned how to photoshop and tease models in clever ways? Or maybe its a hoax?
Edit : On closer inspection, I think I do see a hint of a clear base. I'm not sure though.
Looking closer at the pic, those pengines appear to have new guns and the battle sister squad that's the clearest has a multimelta, TWO flamers AND a heavy bolter in a 10 girl squad.
Which is a nutty amount of weapons for 10 people.
Edit, might be regular melta.
The squad at the bottom has a new looking gun that might be a snub nose melta, might be something else.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: There is a hospitaler behind the Pulpit, yes. There's another character off to the side though, and I don't recognize it.
That one appears to be another Canoness pose, based on the finial of her Rod of Office. The one on the pulpit itself has a totally different one. Maybe a higher rank?
Yeah, I just don't recall seeing a Hospitaler with a book.
For clarity, I am talking about the one that I labeled as 3 in this picture.
1 is likely some sort of Canoness. 2 is likely a Dialogus.
H wrote: For clarity, I am talking about the one that I labeled as 3 in this picture.
Definitely looks like a hospitaller.
I'd be very happy if most things come with some "book" accessory/option. I converted all my old metal Sister Superiors to have books way back when the BoSL was the go-to option. I'd love to carry forward a sort of book theme.
ERJAK wrote: Looking closer at the pic, those pengines appear to have new guns and the battle sister squad that's the clearest has a multimelta, TWO flamers AND a heavy bolter in a 10 girl squad.
Which is a nutty amount of weapons for 10 people.
Edit, might be regular melta.
The squad at the bottom has a new looking gun that might be a snub nose melta, might be something else.
Four special weapons in a ten man squad? Stay off Scion turf, sisters!
ERJAK wrote: Looking closer at the pic, those pengines appear to have new guns and the battle sister squad that's the clearest has a multimelta, TWO flamers AND a heavy bolter in a 10 girl squad.
Which is a nutty amount of weapons for 10 people.
That's exactly the same amount of weapons you would get on 10 battle sisters in the beta dex, they'd just be two squads of five.
That's pretty clearly an image from the same photo shoot and editing session that produced the high res images currently leading the Community articles-- Gothic cathedral background, low-lying fog, etc. But I haven't seen that one before, and these images aren't great... is anyone seeing a high-res version we can scrutinize somewhere? Very cool implications, though, with new poses of old favs, potentially new HQs. If we can get a lieutenant-type HQ with a B-list aura to throw forward to fuel Miracle Dice... fun times!
ERJAK wrote: Looking closer at the pic, those pengines appear to have new guns and the battle sister squad that's the clearest has a multimelta, TWO flamers AND a heavy bolter in a 10 girl squad.
Which is a nutty amount of weapons for 10 people.
That's exactly the same amount of weapons you would get on 10 battle sisters in the beta dex, they'd just be two squads of five.
I'm well aware of that, But you COULDN'T get 4 in a squad of 10
With 4 weapons in a squad of 10, 10 becomes much more viable.
Plus it is indicative of more widespread datasheet changes than I personally thought we'd get.
Wonder how well it would look to spin it around, give it some form of legs, and use the massive Aquila as the back of some massive Throne. Though, only Guilliman could properly sit on something that size, but it has potential.
ERJAK wrote: With 4 weapons in a squad of 10, 10 becomes much more viable.
Plus it is indicative of more widespread datasheet changes than I personally thought we'd get.
I'd be happy if we had some incentive to do other than MSU special weapon spam... I know a few people were playing a bit of blob infantry, but my opponents hadn't seen more than six Sisters in one place in a long time.
ERJAK wrote: Plus it is indicative of more widespread datasheet changes than I personally thought we'd get.
Looking at the picture.
Back-most squad, 10 models, meltagun, heavy bolter
Middle squad, 9 models, one flamer
Front squad, 5 models, one partially obscured heavy weapon
Right side squad, 5 models, one heavy bolter
They are distinctly spread out into units. No indication at all of the four weapon 10 sister squad.
ERJAK wrote: Plus it is indicative of more widespread datasheet changes than I personally thought we'd get.
Looking at the picture.
Back-most squad, 10 models, meltagun, heavy bolter
Middle squad, 9 models, one flamer
Front squad, 5 models, one partially obscured heavy weapon
Right side squad, 5 models, one heavy bolter
They are distinctly spread out into units. No indication at all of the four weapon 10 sister squad.
The two sisters in the middle of the back squad look like they're holding flamers to me but looking closer it could just be their I symbol thing combining with the bolters clip to look like a flamer fuel tube.
I definitely want a higher rez picture to know for sure.
ERJAK wrote: The two sisters in the middle of the back squad look like they're holding flamers to me but looking closer it could just be their I symbol thing combining with the bolters clip to look like a flamer fuel tube.
Loving the War Pulpit Of Battle! Preach, and use burning heretics with heavy flamers as punctuation to make your sermons more persuasive!
It looks absolutely ridiculous, any sensible fighting force would thrive for the lowest profile, to avoid being shot to pieces. Ecclesiarchy is just "So, how much does a super-good force-field to allow us proudly defy the enemy firepower? Only the Imperial Credit equivalent of the entire earnings of a small hive? Yeah we'll take a few dozens. What, are we going to use them to protect our most important assets? No we just want Sister Isabella to float above us so she can tell us about religion when we are going to war, #justecclesiarchythings!".
ERJAK wrote: I'm well aware of that, But you COULDN'T get 4 in a squad of 10
You could do that since 3rd edition codex, iirc. It's an option called "max size dominion squad" or "max size retributor squad". If dominion squads can now be 10 flamers or 10 meltas, and retributor squads give us the goodie of 10 women heavy bolter squads I'm going to be pretty happy about it, though. Overkill, you say? YES!!! OVER!!! KILLL!!! MAXIMUM OVERKILL WITH EXTRA DAKKA AND MORE OBLITERATION!!!! (And still not enough to one-shot a knight )
GaroRobe wrote: Wonder how well it would look to spin it around, give it some form of legs, and use the massive Aquila as the back of some massive Throne. Though, only Guilliman could properly sit on something that size, but it has potential.
I'm wondering if the eagle would be big enough to cut the eagle off and put it on the face of a mars alpha warlord.
New units look promising - supposedly floating pulpit could make for some interesting kitbashing with the big glass panel perhaps.
The full boxes seem to contain some nice miniatures too, some decent heavy weapon wielders and the Sister directly below the 40k logo looks good as well.
Who's the figure with the red hood in the front, to the left? Don't remember seeing her before; pose seems similar to the metal Sister Superior. But I might just be forgetting something.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: New units look promising - supposedly floating pulpit could make for some interesting kitbashing with the big glass panel perhaps.
The full boxes seem to contain some nice miniatures too, some decent heavy weapon wielders and the Sister directly below the 40k logo looks good as well.
Who's the figure with the red hood in the front, to the left? Don't remember seeing her before; pose seems similar to the metal Sister Superior. But I might just be forgetting something.
She’s a sister superior. Same body as this one that leaked a while ago, different weapons.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Who's the figure with the red hood in the front, to the left? Don't remember seeing her before; pose seems similar to the metal Sister Superior. But I might just be forgetting something.
My guess is it's just an available alternate head for the Sister Superior. It looks like the "same" pose as the Superior directly above her in the back squad, or at least it looks remarkably similar to me.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: New units look promising - supposedly floating pulpit could make for some interesting kitbashing with the big glass panel perhaps.
The full boxes seem to contain some nice miniatures too, some decent heavy weapon wielders and the Sister directly below the 40k logo looks good as well.
Who's the figure with the red hood in the front, to the left? Don't remember seeing her before; pose seems similar to the metal Sister Superior. But I might just be forgetting something.
She’s a sister superior. Same body as this one that leaked a while ago, different weapons.
Ah, that would be it. Thanks.
Lord Damocles wrote:[...]EDIT: Also, the obviously duplicate poses are a little worrying. The Imagifers and Superiors, for example.
This actually convinced me to get the set once it's up for pre-order (assuming it won't sell out before...). The full sets appear to have quite some different bits, but in the same poses. The starter set has no bits (aside from head swaps) but some very different poses. Sufficient variation possible when combining the two (and not yet build some figures until the full sets are out, to swap arms around).
Bird tub is nice. Might become one of those things you get multiples of and not once assemble as the real thing.
Lord Damocles wrote: I'd prefer it if the battle pulpit had an Ecclesiarchy priest on it instead of a Sororitas - keep the preachers and the fighters separate somewhat.
It's early days and we might get lucky. Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Fantasy before it has several monsters and wagons with different crew/riders. So there's hope the same can happen here.
The character to the left of the pulpit, below the hospitaller, is most certainly the new Dialogus.
She matches the character we saw in the WHTV video over the weekend, which also tells us what the floating lectern/podium from 3rd bulletin is from.
EDIT: Ah, and i see they just confirmed that in the bulletin as i was posting haha.
Lord Damocles wrote: I'm more interested in the Sisters on the right who have pre-998.M41 robes. Hopefully they're not going to be passed off as Celestians.
The sheer number of different head options across the range looks to be impressive. Inevitably, not all of them are winners. That Junith head and the last Cannoness one look like they'll be joining the Immolator ones on the nope pile.
Looks like the battle pulpit is a character. Mildly disappointing, but a cool model. I imagine the script is part of the sculpt. Strength out of Faith indeed.
But hey, the basic Sisters squads let you build your Dominions and Celestians using extra bits.
The Imagifier looks fantastic, and the multipart canoness has good aesthetic options in the head area (halo instead of fleur, choice of hooded, bare, or helmeted head). Plus WEAPON OPTIONS.
sockwithaticket wrote: The sheer number of different head options across the range looks to be impressive. Inevitably, not all of them are winners. That Junith head and the last Cannoness one look like they'll be joining the Immolator ones on the nope pile.
Seriously? I absolutely love Junith's head. She looks old and dignified.
Benionin wrote: Looks like the battle pulpit is a character. Mildly disappointing, but a cool model. I imagine the script is part of the sculpt. Strength out of Faith indeed.
But hey, the basic Sisters squads let you build your Dominions and Celestians using extra bits.
The Imagifier looks fantastic, and the multipart canoness has good aesthetic options in the head area (halo instead of fleur, choice of hooded, bare, or helmeted head). Plus WEAPON OPTIONS.
Some really cool additions to the Sister's range, hope that their long suffering supporters are happy with the new hotness. My personal favourite is the new Imagifier, that icon is amazing.
Hmm. Some nice bits in the actual sisters kit. I particularly like the shaved head and the raised visor
Not at all shocked that its a battle sister/dominions/celestians kit, though I'm at a loss as to what the 'special components' are based on those photos. The sigil on the helmet?
Imagifier impresses me most out of all these models. A picture of refined faith and devotion, rather than someone screaming while festooned with junk.
While I'm glad there are real options in the actual canoness kit, the monopose nature and forearm swaps aren't exactly compelling. I do like the alternate chest plate and hooded head, however.
The pulpit is... a bit over the top, and whether that's good or bad is a matter of taste. The fact that its a named SC associated solely with a single order IS bad, however.
Battle Sanctum is presumable the standard terrain piece.
Zephyrim are presumably the dual kit option for Seraphim. (And I really hope they aren't just Seraphim with lightning claws...)
Head, icon, and weapon options?!? On a character? What in tarnation?
Also, not too surprised that the dias turned out to be an HQ model. Doesn't look bad, but I'm not sure if I'll end up getting one to convert. (Though, I know a lot of people are going to convert one up into something awesome and that'll change my mind)
Also, GW is basically admitting this will sell out instantly by posting when pre-orders go up (the exact hours!).
Yeah...is anyone else kind of pissed off by this?
To me this is them basically saying "this cool box set we've been hyping up? Oh yeah, we don't have too many of them ready and it's probably a limited release - good luck, you probably won't get one".
Either that or they're being deliberately ambiguous as to whether it's a limited release while giving the go-live date/time to drive sales as hard as possible. Which seems pretty slimy given that it's not like the hype train for this release needs that sort of help.
Feels a lot more negatively manipulative than normal marketing.
Considering one of the most common questions we get in any news thread is "When do preorders go up?", it's not exactly shocking that they would do this
The answer, BTW, is 1pm Eastern for North America give or take ten to fifteen minutes on Saturday November 16th.
Also, GW is basically admitting this will sell out instantly by posting when pre-orders go up (the exact hours!).
Yeah...is anyone else kind of pissed off by this?
To me this is them basically saying "this cool box set we've been hyping up? Oh yeah, we don't have too many of them ready and it's probably a limited release - good luck, you probably won't get one".
Honestly, I've been taking it as a given.
Too many things are set up that way lately.
Including, bafflingly enough, the ebook versions of the Necromunda Book of Peril and the new AoS Battletomes and 40k supplements(at least in the US store). I have no idea how that works, but somehow they ran out of digital books.
Hmmm, that's weird. I seem to remember somebody pointing out that the monopose models in the new army box were almost certainly not the final sculpts, and that the full kits would be multipose with options.
A bunch of people said that person was making wild assumptions and that all was doom and gloom and sisters would only ever be monopose Nu-GW nightmares.
I will limit myself to a small allied force for my Guard, I will limit myself to a small allied force for my Guard, I...no, that Heavy Bolter is too cool to not have several. Whoopsie.
Also, GW is basically admitting this will sell out instantly by posting when pre-orders go up (the exact hours!).
Yeah...is anyone else kind of pissed off by this?
To me this is them basically saying "this cool box set we've been hyping up? Oh yeah, we don't have too many of them ready and it's probably a limited release - good luck, you probably won't get one".
Either that or they're being deliberately ambiguous as to whether it's a limited release while giving the go-live date/time to drive sales as hard as possible. Which seems pretty slimy given that it's not like the hype train for this release needs that sort of help.
Feels a lot more negatively manipulative than normal marketing.
Yeah, it does leave a rather sour taste that immediately counteracts the excitement of the new pictures.
Some recent bulletins already referred to the "amazing" this and "exciting" that - I'd prefer them showing it, rather than telling us how great things are - and now "the hype is huge" (yeah, that's the point of everything you've been doing in the last 12 months isn't it?); "we expect it to sell very quickly" (if by that you mean "sell out", make more of the damn things).
Anyway....
A pity the box with relic didn't end up being part of some procession or other wishlisted new unit/terrain.
Although it's a nice part that may of course be given a new destination, and it appears there will at least be some other new units coming up.
Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.
Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.
What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?
A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)
I love everything. The only disappointment is the hover pulpit being a special character. I hope against hope that there is a generic variant, even though they didn't mention it.
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?
Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
Considering Seraphim are in the limited box and are called Seraphim? No, no they cannot.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.
What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?
A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?
Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
Nice job, gee-dubs!
No because they've already said seraphim like 100 times including in the box set.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
I know the fallacy of relative privation is popular around these parts, but "if nobody dies, it's basically fine" is some top-tier work there chief
For myself, I wasn't planning on getting the box at all, but a local bloke offered to buy the Codex and I thought, hey, at a nice 25% discount and rid of the dead weight of the book, why not? So it does rankle that it looks like we're getting another under-produced half year report fluffer rather than a proper release, since anywhere offering a discount will be lucky to get more than a handful.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Yes but considering this is the first time in this entire drawn-out preview process that we are getting language suggestive of a limited release and they're giving the exact date/time pre-orders go up as well, it really does seem manipulative to me.
They could have said it would be a limited run from the get-go rather than build (some people's) hopes up. Now they've quashed a bunch of hype I had for the box set and basically given scalpers a how-to on taking advantage of the situation.
The floating pulprit is great, I just dislike the head, which I will replace with the cathedral-helmet from the exorcist for maximum over-the-topness. ^^
About the dominions and celestians, I don't see which are the special components on the two examples.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
yeah this is the only thing that annoys me - money ready - but have to be lucky to get what i want....Sheesh
They might not have done, there is a limited chance to get this box before the bulk of it turns into a start collecting box but that's down to the limited ed box and the inclusion of the cards and dice, but we've no idea what the stock level is. It might sell out really quickly, but that doesn't mean there is only the same number of sets as Looncurse etc - you could get the new Knight/Admech set which was the first of the sets for months after release. I don't think any of these things are artificial shortages, it's just that production time is a resource and it has to be assigned and waste stock eating up space in a warehouse is very expensive (give it could have been making more Looncurses).
And whilst plastic sisters may have had a lot of hype and be a bit of an internet meme, it's going to be tricky to work out how to put that into context of how popular the army will be.
So this box lets the old collectors get something special (with the extra cards, limited ed book etc) in order to make it more of an event, that in turn lets you justify doing unique moulds for this kit (and thus then start collecting) which then makes the choice to have troops, FA and elite sisters being a single kit a little easier. The main release then comes out three months later in Jan, on the back of this hype and with enough notice to let you decide if the internet hype is going to translate into sustained sales to warrant doing an additional run on sisters books and models sooner rather than later.
So yeah, point is Sisters are still a gamble until they hit the shops and this box is launching a range they'll need to support for decades, combined with excess stock being a terrible thing in wasted potential and recurring costs, means that there might be a wait between the big PR splash and the sustainable production release. Think of it really being that sisters are being released in January as a real army, but they've tweaked their production schedule to get something out early.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.
And we still have no idea when that release is, correct?
My FLGS was asked to have their preorders ready this morning, fwiw.
The minis industry is in a weird place. Retail can't compete with wholesale on selection or price, so they're really only competing on the first week or two of sales. Anything beyond that is essentially a loss and they'll quickly abandon a product line that sits on shelves for any length of time because honestly no one's going to stumble in and pick it off the shelves. So GW is essentially playing to that with a constant stream of new releases and making sure they're limited enough to ensure that they're gone before the next one comes out.
WhiteDog wrote: Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.
And we still have no idea when that release is, correct?
With the return of the Imagifier does anyone think there is a chance they as well as Celestine will get the chance to generate miracle dice like they could generate AoF in the index?
Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.
Yes but considering this is the first time in this entire drawn-out preview process that we are getting language suggestive of a limited release and they're giving the exact date/time pre-orders go up as well, it really does seem manipulative to me.
They could have said it would be a limited run from the get-go rather than build (some people's) hopes up. Now they've quashed a bunch of hype I had for the box set and basically given scalpers a how-to on taking advantage of the situation.
So you’d have preferred they didn’t tell us it was limited or when to pre-order? Odd. Because scalpers gonna scalp, and at least you now have a heads-up. The limited edition strategy stops people going “that looks cool - I’ll buy it next summer”... Again, sucks if you don’t get one but you can log on and preorder just like anyone else so <shrug>.
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LunarSol wrote: My FLGS was asked to have their preorders ready this morning, fwiw.
The minis industry is in a weird place. Retail can't compete with wholesale on selection or price, so they're really only competing on the first week or two of sales. Anything beyond that is essentially a loss and they'll quickly abandon a product line that sits on shelves for any length of time because honestly no one's going to stumble in and pick it off the shelves. So GW is essentially playing to that with a constant stream of new releases and making sure they're limited enough to ensure that they're gone before the next one comes out.
Indeed. And it’s making them a lot of money. So their strategy ain’t gonna change!
dracpanzer wrote: With the return of the Imagifier does anyone think there is a chance they as well as Celestine will get the chance to generate miracle dice like they could generate AoF in the index?
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?
Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
Nice job, gee-dubs!
8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.
As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)
I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.
i see the words for modern Sisters is "over the top" and to me "overdesign" even more.
whats the overunder on Stern being a character at this point? im feeling pretty low.
the flying pulpit is a letdown for me. in my head, thats left to the ministorum to be that gaudy, but then my image of sisters is less religious ornamentation than others shown here. oh, but it's a order locked special character, to an order i never intend to play. Why does GW keep doing this? every faction i like locks the bulk of their special characters behind one subfaction. they didn't have to do it this time at all, and it's not much of a centerpiece option if only one of the 6 subfactions gets to use it. inner argent shroud vaguely annoyed. I wonder what it's stats are. another reason im not as interested in it is it's heavy flamer kit, and i tend to think longer ranged than that. if it can zip forward though and has decent toughness... maybe?
so Celestians are part of the same kit as battle sisters and dominions. Dominions are still here. YAY! Celestians.... did they even change though? I'm worrying about them having any new viability. It felt to me like they'd be perfect for an alternative melee sister, but if so little has changed they are still made from this kit with the new stuff... that's a bit concerning.
so cherubs are pictured in the new base unit set. what will they be doing to justify them, and im starting to worry about transport because of how much taller they keep making everything. feels like id have to order deeper storage just to transport all the new taller stuff.
i still don't like the new hospitaller over the older one. but the new dialogus and Imagifier seem nice. i really like the feel i get from the new imagifier, even though im not a fan of the icon (mostly size again). Maybe it's the lack of ornamentation compared to other parts the range, or the more serene expression, or something. the dialogus's face i don't really like, but all the books and scrolls is up my alley.
the Canoness... okay, highs and lows here. first off, i like the general look a LOT more than the first canoness they showed off, who didn't look like she was even going into battle practically in my eyes. loads of swap-options as well.but i have a thing were i don't like models with one foot on terrain. it happens so often now and it's minor on top of that i know, but seriously, id rather just have the foot on the ground flat, but it seems like foot on masonry is in this time period.
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?
Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
Nice job, gee-dubs!
8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.
As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)
I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.
On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?
On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?
Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
Nice job, gee-dubs!
8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.
As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)
I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.
online retailers should have them (and at a discount),
however especially when things are in high demand they can oversell either deliberately in the hope they can get extra stock, or accidentally (websites unable to cope with volume of orders, GW rep doesn't deliver the number of boxes they promised)
So if you HAVE to have it it's one of the few occasions that paying a bit more for a GW direct order may make sense
Twoshoes23 wrote: Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?
I knew i'd be a thing! I can hear her sermon now. " Ye Followers of the Emperor! Fear not, Repressors are in our ordained Codex! Behold their utilitarian versatility! May they bring the burninators to their destination in the Emperors grace.
MacPhail wrote: I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.
8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.
He's saying he already owns 8-12 of each.
I may or may not be an idiot
Yeah... I was noting how glad I am not to have to build depth. I won't blame anyone for going big on this army, especially now that I've seen a little of the rules and the sculpts, but that's going to be a huge investment to get the bits you need. Although it sounds like there may be plenty of hardware to go around if the BSS box also makes Dominions... now let's hope Stratagems and whatnot breathe some life back into meltas and flamers so I can pull those out and give the Betadex Wall o' Stormbolters a break.
Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.
What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?
A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)
Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.
What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?
A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)
I saw the new article and I am all aquiver with anticipation of the complete release. Glorious is the word I would use. I can’t wait to see more. I worry that I will lack the funds though as I remake my entire army.
Yikes... so much to unpack. Big reveals overnight, and still not all the reveals, which is even more impressive.
So, from the top (prepare for endless hate and complaining ERJAK!!!)...
1. New Sisters kit. Looks ace. Love the icon thingy. The Combi-Flamer looks rad. I really like the stripped down Heavy Flamer. That's a wonderful design choice there. Raised face-plate is a cool little extra, as is the Sister pulling the pin with her mouth (nice call-back to the metal mini).
Also this bit:
What’s more, this set also builds you Dominions, forward-scouting vehicle killers and special-weapon wielders, as well as Celestians, elite bodyguards who’ll carve up anyone who dares attack your Canonesses. These units are marked by their own special components.
Phew! I was worried about that.
Personally I can't really spot the difference (Celestians have scopes... I guess?), but I'm just happy that they're there.
2. New Champions. I've said before that the Hospitaller's base is too big and cluttered. Should'a just kept her on a regular base without the needless dying Sister. It makes the mini too specific, so that every Hospitaller has the same dying sister on their base all the time. Plus it'll probably jack up the price of that minis and, worse, force it into a box rather than a clam-pack release (which means even more $$$). The actual Hospitaller though is great. The base is the issue.
That Dialogus though. Wow. That mini is amazing, and given its predecessor, this is quite the improvement (even if I kinda like the original mini... but not for a Sisters army). Hover lectern is a nice touch.
The Imagifier is just awesome. Works so well the pose and the hood.
3. New Canoness Colour me shocked. Truly shocked. An HQ miniature with lots of different weapon options. Well done GW. We're very proud of you. However...
[cynic mode]I think they're only doing this as they won't want to invalidate all the existing Canoness minis that do have lots of weapon options. This will, sadly, not be the trend with HQ minis going forward[/cynic mode]
Even a variety of heads (ranging from helmeted to awful) and backpack icons, and weapons and whatnot. No hand-flamer, which is a little odd given the holy trinity, but still. Good stuff.
4. Junith Eruita Awkward name aside, this is a wonderful new concept for SoBs. I do hope that the mini can be removed from the pulpit as I've love to use that with some of my Ecclesiarchy minis (like Redemptor Kyrinov). Also it's more "weaponised religion" than the Dark Angels ever managed.
And then there's the final, and in my mind, most important part of this reveal:
And that’s just a sample of what’s on the way for Sisters of Battle – we haven’t even BEGUN to look at Retributors, Zephyrim, the Battle Sanctum, or the other datasheets in the codex yet…
... we haven’t even BEGUN to look at Retributors, Zephyrim, the Battle Sanctum, or the other datasheets...
Dark Angel Darkshroud: behold the wrath of the Emperor in this flying church...
SOB: Hold my beer.
I was on the fence with this release....but afetr a house refinance (saving $500/month) plus no mortgage payment next month, I believe I have been given a sign.
Someone on another forum pointed out to me that not only does the Canoness have multiple weapon, helmet and back-icon-thingy options... but there are two difference chest pieces there!
So many options on an HQ character. This is almost too much to handle. GW you spoil us!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Someone on another forum pointed out to me that not only does the Canoness have multiple weapon, helmet and back-icon-thingy options... but there are two difference chest pieces there!
So many options on an HQ character. This is almost too much to handle. GW you spoil us!
It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
So you’d have preferred they didn’t tell us it was limited or when to pre-order? Odd. Because scalpers gonna scalp, and at least you now have a heads-up. The limited edition strategy stops people going “that looks cool - I’ll buy it next summer”... Again, sucks if you don’t get one but you can log on and preorder just like anyone else so <shrug>.
No, I'd prefer if they had stated up-front that it was going to be a limited item rather than slow-rolling and building hype for it over many weeks and then at the last moment before pre-orders going "oh by the way this is a limited release".
Also providing the exact time of the pre-order for all regions is an extra step further in the direction of aiding scalpers - scalpers these days use bots oftentimes and having precise details like that basically guarantees as few "genuine" customers as possible will be able to get their hands on one.
I'm fine with limited release items existing because I can essentially ignore them, since there's basically no chance in hell I'll get my hands on one. I might pine for them, sure, but I won't really entertain the notion that I will or did have a reasonable shot at getting one, so it's no big deal. But spending all this time and energy building up hype about a product with no indication that it's going to be limited until the eleventh hour is another matter entirely.
Well there's been scuttlebutt going around that stores are limited in terms of how many copies they're getting/will be able to order.
It's hearsay at this point, of course, and we might not know the truth 'til the day the pre-orders go up. If that is true, though, asking your store to order you a copy might not be sufficient if they get more requests than copies of the product allocated to them.
Additionally, not everyone has a "local store". North America is a big place with tons of communities that have little/no support as far as anything like an LGS is concerned.
Again this is all the sort of thing that would be alleviated by a clear indication of a product's status as a limited item or not at the time it's announced. There's being coy about specifics and then there's being misleading about information relevant to consumers. The Bandai action figure, for instance, was revealed to be a limited product once we started learning anything about it other than its existence.
The general muttering that I've heard is that the higher ups believe they have 'made enough' to make everyone happy.
Now, the only thing they made 'enough' of was Blood of the Phoenix, which... yeah. They made 'enough' of that.
So, color me doubtful. Still, I'll be waiting outside my local GW for 4 hours waiting for them to open so I can be one of the first in line. Not gunna let this opportunity slip by me.
It's possible that it'll go the way of Shadowspear, where it seemed like a limited release at first, and for a while it was sold out, but they'll push out more to satisfy the ravenous demand and may even keep selling it afterwards. If they can make so much use out of the Shadowspear minis, to the point of making start collecting boxes out of them, I'm sure they could do the same with this sisters release. The extra bits, like the codex, dice, and tactics cards may be dropped in later publishing, but I'd be surprised if the minis were 'limited edition'. From everything I've heard, the box isn't LIMITED edition but SPECIAL edition, and that's a crucial difference when it comes to the release of certain products. Yes, the SPECIAL edition will likely disappear, but the models may be made available in another way.
Everything that they've shown off has been stunning. Also, I wouldn't mind the Cannoness being more expensive, since the main benefit of having all those weapon options is, of course, customization, but also... USING THOSE WEAPONS ON OTHER UNITS!!! Being able to customize cannonesses and other squad leaders with different poses of swords and pistols is great, and was for a long time the great benefit of multiple options in a single character. Seeing that come back for the first time in YEARS makes me very, very happy.
The ONLY thing that I'm upset about.. is that the war pulpit is a named character. I'd have much preferred that it had been a generic unit that any faction could take, rather than a specific order. Ah well, it could be that the order is the best one to take anyway, and it's not going to stop me from converting it and using it as something else (like making a special command rhino for my leader to ride in, for example)
And finally, if I had to fathom a guess to what a 'battle sanctum' is, I'd guess a piece of terrain, much like the chaos marines and genestealer cult got. Some imposing piece of terrain with a lot of decoration that likely drops down from orbit or is built very quickly or something.
JohnnyHell wrote:There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?
Don't you see how that's the problem? All those horrible local heretics will live, will thrive, if the cleansing flames and firepower of a Sororitas host remain absent. Can't have that now, can we?
Samko wrote:The floating pulprit is great, I just dislike the head, which I will replace with the cathedral-helmet from the exorcist for maximum over-the-topness. ^^
Oh, I like your thinking. That could well be the one context that hat would work in. Was certainly thinking of doing some sort of headswap and modifying the pulpit itself a little - don't care she is some named character, with some modifications and a different name she will be whoever leads your own army. Leave enough of the original figure in place and there will be no confusion or issues - it's quite a recognizable piece after all! Assuming there isn't the option for an unnamed build to begin with.
I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
The vast majority of people who have seen the pulpit and have commented have said they love it across 2 forums and 4 major 40k news sites comment sections as well as hundreds of comments across dozens of facebook pages, though I would personally still think it was great regardless. It will see plenty of play, especially if the rules are good, which is not totally unlikely.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
You shall burn for this statement ! I can't wait to run a list with both Grimnars sweet wolf ride and the floating pulpit, and let all the haters burn in the flames of their rage !
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
Thargrim wrote: True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I live in Oz. That's already a consideration I have to make.
I understand your point about dual kits though. Them costing more but still only giving you one unit is a major issue (look at the price of Fire Warriors for example, or triple kits like Deathwing Termies). But for single HQs? I don't have an issue with that. I mean one of my fav kits was the Marine Force Commander kit that had all sorts of options (very primitive by today's standards). The bits that were left-over on him went to other Marine kits. It'd be great if leftover bits on the Canoness worked just as well with the various squad leaders in regular SoB squads.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
What if the other side of it shows some sort exhausts or grav plates?
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
With GW upping cost of new releases we'll be lucky if they are marine level prices.
I'm looking at that War Pulpit, and thinking the Aquilla would make a great prow for a Battlefleet Gothic ship, perhaps a large flagship.
Honestly, I love all this, but I usually tone-down my models in accessories. I wonder if the war pulpit could be made from bits (left-over Razorback turret, a couple Cities of Death wall pieces, and viola.
4. Junith Eruita Awkward name aside, this is a wonderful new concept for SoBs. I do hope that the mini can be removed from the pulpit as I've love to use that with some of my Ecclesiarchy minis (like Redemptor Kyrinov). Also it's more "weaponised religion" than the Dark Angels ever managed.
Yeah I love the model, but not as a Sisters thing. I'm still a fan of the Sisters as the more business end of the mad religious fanatics faction. Happily though, as you suggest, there are other potential uses - in a Codex: Witch Hunters army, I can hopefully stick some gaudy priest(the BSF fattie perhaps?) on the Pulpit as a counts-as Karazamov, and use the lovely Junith model as a Palatine or Celestian Superior.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
With GW upping cost of new releases we'll be lucky if they are marine level prices.
If they are more than marine prices, aside from the few die hards of the sisters supporters I think that would lead to many sister armies being very small and dreams of people picking them up being DoA at that point.
cuda1179 wrote: I'm looking at that War Pulpit, and thinking the Aquilla would make a great prow for a Battlefleet Gothic ship, perhaps a large flagship.
Honestly, I love all this, but I usually tone-down my models in accessories. I wonder if the war pulpit could be made from bits (left-over Razorback turret, a couple Cities of Death wall pieces, and viola.
Speaking of the aquila prow, did anyone notice one head isn't blind/eyes closed as it probably should have been?
So I'm loving most of what I see, but seeing the pics of the regular squad, and the fact that it will have parts for celestians and whatnot, I can't help but feel that they've gone the route of least monetary investment for those.
I mean, it's pretty clear that the squad has duplicated sprues at the very least for the regular "foot" sisters, given that the legs seems to be used twice in just that ten-women squad (sometimes with different robes, though).
I'd said that it looks like the box will have two identical sprues and a third one with options. That's... not bad, all told, but not as good as I would have liked for a 10-squad with human sized minis. Particularly because I don't know how much they'll be asking for it.
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
You're projecting. The reaction to the pulpit has been almost entirely positive. It's peak 40k, and I strongly suspect that the only thing that will put most players off including it in their lists will be the price.
Albertorius wrote: I mean, it's pretty clear that the squad has duplicated sprues at the very least for the regular "foot" sisters, given that the legs seems to be used twice in just that ten-women squad (sometimes with different robes, though).
I'd said that it looks like the box will have two identical sprues and a third one with options. That's... not bad, all told, but not as good as I would have liked for a 10-squad with human sized minis. Particularly because I don't know how much they'll be asking for it.
But if that were the case then you'd have two Cherubs per box. Plus the two Sisters on tactical rocks would be the same rock, when they're clearly not the same.
Albertorius wrote: I mean, it's pretty clear that the squad has duplicated sprues at the very least for the regular "foot" sisters, given that the legs seems to be used twice in just that ten-women squad (sometimes with different robes, though).
I'd said that it looks like the box will have two identical sprues and a third one with options. That's... not bad, all told, but not as good as I would have liked for a 10-squad with human sized minis. Particularly because I don't know how much they'll be asking for it.
But if that were the case then you'd have two Cherubs per box. Plus the two Sisters on tactical rocks would be the same rock, when they're clearly not the same.
It does seem there are 3 duplicates, so probable you get a duplicate sprue with those 3 bodies.
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it appears there are only 2, unless the rock is optional
Albertorius wrote: I mean, it's pretty clear that the squad has duplicated sprues at the very least for the regular "foot" sisters, given that the legs seems to be used twice in just that ten-women squad (sometimes with different robes, though).
I'd said that it looks like the box will have two identical sprues and a third one with options. That's... not bad, all told, but not as good as I would have liked for a 10-squad with human sized minis. Particularly because I don't know how much they'll be asking for it.
But if that were the case then you'd have two Cherubs per box. Plus the two Sisters on tactical rocks would be the same rock, when they're clearly not the same.
It does seem there are 3 duplicates, so probable you get a duplicate sprue with those 3 bodies.
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it appears there are only 2, unless the rock is optional
I'm seeing some very similar legs, but... yeah. I'm thinking this is a sprue with 10 minis on it (or enough to make 10 without any duplicates, like the new CSM kit).
GW tends to do things in discrete units, and it's rare to see them break up a single sprue. Their sprues also tend to have set sizes.
The other alternative is 1x one sprue and 2x another, but even that seems unlikely.
Togusa wrote: The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
Just to add to the pile, I don't feel compelled to sing jingle bells the moment I see it, so no it's not nearly as bad. Actually been arguing with my self if it'd look better in gold or marble, that may decide the rest of my sisters theme to compliment it.
Returning player here, so please be gentle. I've seen a few people discussing likely price of this in relation to other kits recently released. Please could someone translate that into tangible £s. Appreciate it will still be a guess but want to figure out how much of an investment this might be should I go for it.
Second question - is this likely to sell out via GW online before it even hits discount online retailers? Many thanks
rollthebones wrote: Returning player here, so please be gentle. I've seen a few people discussing likely price of this in relation to other kits recently released. Please could someone translate that into tangible £s. Appreciate it will still be a guess but want to figure out how much of an investment this might be should I go for it.
Second question - is this likely to sell out via GW online before it even hits discount online retailers? Many thanks
210$ is IIRC price I read. Closest to that I could find is FW assault marine set at 230$ which is 150£(GW and FW conversion rates are same). So around 130-140£(don't bother to calculate with real exchange ratios. GW has it's own. Only real way would be to find another same priced item but as far as I can see they have no other 210$ priced item...).
but assuming that 210$ is accurate around that ballpark.
rollthebones wrote: Returning player here, so please be gentle. I've seen a few people discussing likely price of this in relation to other kits recently released. Please could someone translate that into tangible £s. Appreciate it will still be a guess but want to figure out how much of an investment this might be should I go for it.
Second question - is this likely to sell out via GW online before it even hits discount online retailers? Many thanks
210$ is IIRC price I read. Closest to that I could find is FW assault marine set at 230$ which is 150£(GW and FW conversion rates are same). So around 130-140£(don't bother to calculate with real exchange ratios. GW has it's own. Only real way would be to find another same priced item but as far as I can see they have no other 210$ priced item...).
but assuming that 210$ is accurate around that ballpark.
I think they meant the full kits next year. 210 dollars is the confirmed US price for the box this weekend, it’s £125.
I like the front of the war pulpit, but I feel like it needs something higher on the back; probably something arch-shaped to frame the rider. Luckily there's that giant piece of stained glass that most people think looks out of place on the Immolator... slap that behind ol' Junith and we'll be talking!
rollthebones wrote: Returning player here, so please be gentle. I've seen a few people discussing likely price of this in relation to other kits recently released. Please could someone translate that into tangible £s. Appreciate it will still be a guess but want to figure out how much of an investment this might be should I go for it.
Second question - is this likely to sell out via GW online before it even hits discount online retailers? Many thanks
The box set is coming in at £125 in the UK (which is where you are based on your flag), now assuming you actually want the codex this is almost certain to be the cheapest way to get the contents
Kawauso wrote: Also providing the exact time of the pre-order for all regions is an extra step further in the direction of aiding scalpers - scalpers these days use bots oftentimes and having precise details like that basically guarantees as few "genuine" customers as possible will be able to get their hands on one.
You act like scalpers didn't already have the time noted down to nanosecond the GW script refreshes their pages. If anything, having to compete with others might make their job a bit more difficult.
drbored wrote: The ONLY thing that I'm upset about.. is that the war pulpit is a named character. I'd have much preferred that it had been a generic unit that any faction could take, rather than a specific order. Ah well, it could be that the order is the best one to take anyway, and it's not going to stop me from converting it and using it as something else (like making a special command rhino for my leader to ride in, for example)
There is about 0% chance it's not generic. Every single recent big AoS kit got both generic and slightly fancier named character variant in it, all GW needs to do is including slightly different chest piece and head somewhere on the sprue to do it, trivial given its size. I really can't see GW limiting the sales of the box, if anything, I expect them to somehow encourage taking two of these.
In fact, the only issue with it being generic is the ordering of the names in the back, with the Order of Our Martyred Lady favoritism that would look a bit out of place in other Sister orders...
H.B.M.C. wrote: Raised face-plate is a cool little extra, as is the Sister pulling the pin with her mouth (nice call-back to the metal mini).
No complains like 'this particular arm can be only used with this one head'? I am shocked, shocked I tell you
A question, in case i missed something. are there any prominent sisters characters that aren't either currently or formerly Order of Our Martyred Lady?
I know ive been pulling for stern (who also is), but I just don't know of any that are from any major order. which is why im a bit bothered on this.
Seems with a fair few factions these days if you pass on the front subfaction you miss out on a bunch of options if your not willing to multi- detachment. seen this in Tau, Necrons, and Ad mech before, and with sisters you have more a few characters to one order lorewise... which is why im vaguely annoyed about this new one in addition to being cold on the model, and wish it was generic outright, or even kind of like the necron catacomb command barge, with our canoness of choice giving it for a spin. maybe with alternative weapon options.
Great, now im wondering how you'd make a less blinged out version if you are more on the FW exorcist launcher speed, which i am as of late.
Who is hoping the pulpit's got some serious mobility on it? even if i don't care for the looks, i want to be able to picture this thing circle-strafing/drifting firing flames.
I like what I'm seeing. The Imagifier is great. Also, GW should do more badass bald babes.
Soul Samurai wrote: I like the front of the war pulpit, but I feel like it needs something higher on the back; probably something arch-shaped to frame the rider. Luckily there's that giant piece of stained glass that most people think looks out of place on the Immolator... slap that behind ol' Junith and we'll be talking!
My idea (although mounted on a Rhino or something, but will work fine free-floating, too) is to give it the Immolator window on the back, add a floor spacer, and connect the pulpit and window with an arch on each side with a small stair to the ground.
Geifer wrote: My idea (although mounted on a Rhino or something, but will work fine free-floating, too) is to give it the Immolator window on the back, add a floor spacer, and connect the pulpit and window with an arch on each side with a small stair to the ground.
Geifer wrote: My idea (although mounted on a Rhino or something, but will work fine free-floating, too) is to give it the Immolator window on the back, add a floor spacer, and connect the pulpit and window with an arch on each side with a small stair to the ground.
Interesting idea, that could work!
I'm looking forward to seeing what's left over from the dual kits. Could be a lot of fun stuff that can be combined here, and if there's any faction that benefits from slapping on bits from GW's city terrain kits, it's Sisters.
I'll probably end up having more ideas again than time and money to implement them...
I'll go ahead and say I'm not too fond of Junith's hover-pulpit. Or Junith herself really. The it feels like it's missing the actual 'hover' plates we see in other imperial hover tech and the weapon being mounted underneath it feels wierd since there's space in either side or the 'chin zone' where it would look better. Also, the whole thing seems really top-heavy and the narrow base is asking for trouble.
Not really my problem if I'm not running an order that can take it though.
I'm curious what it'd look like mounted on Onager legs though.
Bdrone wrote: A question, in case i missed something. are there any prominent sisters characters that aren't either currently or formerly Order of Our Martyred Lady?
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men. I think there was an =][= added when the book was Witch Hunters, and he was a man as well.
Celestine is, I think, the only Sisters SC model which has been produced with a distinct datasheet, unless Veridyan got her own when I wasn't looking.
Other orders haven't seen much support at all, so I don't think many of them even have characters mentioned in fiction.
OoOML are the Ultramarines of the SoB, without as much hate being directed at them...
Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Looks like a conversion rate of 1 command point for 1 miracle dice. Not worth it as far as I can tell, unless there are more powerful effects that require miracle dice to fuel.
2 CPs to turn multimeltas into inferior lascannons. Entirely reliant on the cost of the multimeltas IMO.
Litanies of faith - handy if a cheap item or character ability, don't see it as a relic.
Argent shroud - no
Martyred lady - two potentially useful abilities. Pretty much guaranteed 1-3 miracle dice each turn.
A.T. wrote: Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Good IMO, these abilities look useful but don't force you into boring optimal strategies. We don't want another Tau on our hands.
Really happy with that Retributor strat, properly buffs the unit regardless of weapon choice and doesn't mess around taking up three different strat slots for them. Both those Orders look useful too, though obviously Martyred lady is more generically useful.
A.T. wrote: Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Looks like a conversion rate of 1 command point for 1 miracle dice. Not worth it as far as I can tell, unless there are more powerful effects that require miracle dice to fuel.
2 CPs to turn multimeltas into inferior lascannons. Entirely reliant on the cost of the multimeltas IMO.
Litanies of faith - handy if a cheap item or character ability, don't see it as a relic.
Argent shroud - no
Martyred lady - two potentially useful abilities. Pretty much guaranteed 1-3 miracle dice each turn.
Superior Lascannons actually, +1 rend +1 damage+melta at 18" is in my opinion better than +1 Strength and a little extra range.
That said, Ironhands are still out their with incredible lascannons and multimeltas aren't going to be competing with BASE lascannons after 2cp, they'll be competing with the BEST lascannons at 2CP. So yeah, they'll have to be cheaper.
A.T. wrote: Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Good IMO, these abilities look useful but don't force you into boring optimal strategies. We don't want another Tau on our hands.
Really happy with that Retributor strat, properly buffs the unit regardless of weapon choice and doesn't mess around taking up three different strat slots for them. Both those Orders look useful too, though obviously Martyred lady is more generically useful.
It just means being forced into footslog is more likely. Especially with Retributors likely being more useful now.
ERJAK wrote: Superior Lascannons actually, +1 rend +1 damage+melta at 18" is in my opinion better than +1 Strength and a little extra range.
If I had the choice i'd take my chances with the weapons that don't cost me 2 command points to shoot at a meaningfully shorter range.
But as sisters don't have the choice i'm wonding if there is a good way to get value out of them. Repressor bunker perhaps. For 2CPs it's a lot of text for not a lot of stratagem IMO.
ERJAK wrote: Superior Lascannons actually, +1 rend +1 damage+melta at 18" is in my opinion better than +1 Strength and a little extra range.
If I had the choice i'd take my chances with the weapons that don't cost me 2 command points to shoot at a meaningfully shorter range.
But as sisters don't have the choice i'm wonding if there is a good way to get value out of them. Repressor bunker perhaps. For 2CPs it's a lot of text for not a lot of stratagem IMO.
Captain Joystick wrote: The new article sure saids 'acts of faith' a lot. I guess we can put the idea that they've been replaced by sacred rites to bed.
And... Wow, ok. Maybe I am running martyred lady after all.
Captain Joystick wrote: The new article sure saids 'acts of faith' a lot. I guess we can put the idea that they've been replaced by sacred rites to bed.
The 40k facebook page explicitly said that the miracle dice are the acts of faith. Though as they often say they aren't the rules team.
Captain Joystick wrote: The new article sure saids 'acts of faith' a lot. I guess we can put the idea that they've been replaced by sacred rites to bed.
And... Wow, ok. Maybe I am running martyred lady after all.
People were saying Acts of Faith as they were, were replaced by miracle dice, not sacred rites. Which does appear to be the case, considering using a miracle dice to modify a roll is called an act of faith..
Captain Joystick wrote: The new article sure saids 'acts of faith' a lot. I guess we can put the idea that they've been replaced by sacred rites to bed.
And... Wow, ok. Maybe I am running martyred lady after all.
Acts of Faith is the miracle dice mechanic.
So how exactly do you "perform an Act of Faith" then? The Vessel of the Emperor's Will stratagem makes it sound like something else to me.
I like both of those Order Convictions. +1 to hit is lovely, extra Faith is shaping up to be good. Extra mobility is never a bad thing.
Beacon of Faith sounds like it's an automatic Faith per turn now, as opposed to the rubbish 4+ roll from before. Indomitable Belief takes a bit of a knock, but they mention that the Rod of Office will increase the aura by 3" and stacks with the Book... +6" on Auras is not to be sneezed at.
Litanies of Faith seems a little limited for a Relic? It does say turn, so that's a reroll on yours and your opponent's turn. I guess it depends on how many Faith you can generate. If it's relatively few, increasing the quality matters more. If we can absolutely spaff them out then rerolling a limited number is less useful.
Don't care about the 'replace a spent Miracle Dice' strategem. If it was 'gain back the one you spent' that would be great, as you could save the good rolls. But hey, it's a cheap dice.
I like the Retributor one, though. Caters to every build for them, and gives each one something they want. Would Argent Shroud HF Retributors work?
Captain Joystick wrote: The new article sure saids 'acts of faith' a lot. I guess we can put the idea that they've been replaced by sacred rites to bed.
And... Wow, ok. Maybe I am running martyred lady after all.
Acts of Faith is the miracle dice mechanic.
So how exactly do you "perform an Act of Faith" then? The Vessel of the Emperor's Will stratagem makes it sound like something else to me.
I guess by using one of the miracle dice. So that stratagem would replace the one you just used.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day...
Nothing looks as stupid as Kris kringle's sleigh.
I wish they would stop wasting design space on Tau, Nids.....and please make everything to Togusa's lofty standards.../sarcasm
ERJAK wrote: Superior Lascannons actually, +1 rend +1 damage+melta at 18" is in my opinion better than +1 Strength and a little extra range.
If I had the choice i'd take my chances with the weapons that don't cost me 2 command points to shoot at a meaningfully shorter range.
But as sisters don't have the choice i'm wonding if there is a good way to get value out of them. Repressor bunker perhaps. For 2CPs it's a lot of text for not a lot of stratagem IMO.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: Yeah pretty sure that's just the name of the action of swapping a die. "I'm going to use an Act of Faith to replace this 1 with a 6"
Wording suggests it's "i'm going to use this 6 instead of rolling the dice". If it does turn out to be a replacement it'll be more powerful.
The more I think about it, the less impactful Miracle Dice are going to be.
Reason? I play Disciples of Tzeentch and you start the game with 9 dice in the bank. I often spend 4-6 of those in turn one, because if I don't I might not get much of a turn two or any turn three at all. Most of those are spent on spellcasting, which are often quite powerful in AoS, especially for Tzeentch.
Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
John Prins wrote: Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
One dice if they go first. Possibly an unseen stratagem to start with D3 more.
To date we've not actually seen anything that inflicts mortal wounds. It was one of the things they couldn't do in the beta dex either but you'd have to think there will be at least one stratagem in there somewhere.
John Prins wrote: The more I think about it, the less impactful Miracle Dice are going to be.
Reason? I play Disciples of Tzeentch and you start the game with 9 dice in the bank. I often spend 4-6 of those in turn one, because if I don't I might not get much of a turn two or any turn three at all. Most of those are spent on spellcasting, which are often quite powerful in AoS, especially for Tzeentch.
Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
Apples and oranges. The usability of the dice is very different. Sisters have A LOT of d6 damage and d6 shot weapons they'd be very useful for, as well as things like overwatch and invul saves.
Also, correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure destiny dice can't be used in mortal wound rolls so how are you spending 6 in one magic phase? Especially if going second? Failing spellcasts isn't really something Tzeentch worries about.
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oomiestompa wrote: I hope Penitent Engines can both use Miracle Dice and explode when they die. Because combining those two will be very fun.
Arcos and penitent engines will almost certainly NOT have the AoF rule.
John Prins wrote: The more I think about it, the less impactful Miracle Dice are going to be.
Reason? I play Disciples of Tzeentch and you start the game with 9 dice in the bank. I often spend 4-6 of those in turn one, because if I don't I might not get much of a turn two or any turn three at all. Most of those are spent on spellcasting, which are often quite powerful in AoS, especially for Tzeentch.
Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
As far as I'm aware, we don't know how many Faith the Sisters will start with; the only information we have is on how to gain them. So maybe it's 9 again. Maybe it scales with Batallions like CP.
But even if we start with very few, it seems like Sisters have a much easier time generating them and we might not have a cap on the amount we can store.
As for having no synergy, that's just daft. Anyone who rolls dice has synergy with the mechanic, let alone a faction with D6 damage weapons available to every squad.
Apples and oranges. The usability of the dice is very different. Sisters have A LOT of d6 damage and d6 shot weapons they'd be very useful for, as well as things like overwatch and invul saves.
Also, correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure destiny dice can't be used in mortal wound rolls so how are you spending 6 in one magic phase? Especially if going second? Failing spellcasts isn't really something Tzeentch worries about.
Damage rolls and overwatch on melta and vehicle saving throws would probably be the most influential for a sisters's force. Otherwise, it's an army that relies on volume of fire, so a few miracle dice don't count for much.
And no, it can't be used for Mortal Wound rolls in AoS. Mostly I used dice to guarantee spells going off once I exhaust the opponent's counterspelling. Even Tzeentch can roll low, there are plenty of spells that cast on 8 or 9, and turn one spellcasting is so vital I'd rather not leave the big spells to chance.
John Prins wrote: The more I think about it, the less impactful Miracle Dice are going to be.
Reason? I play Disciples of Tzeentch and you start the game with 9 dice in the bank. I often spend 4-6 of those in turn one, because if I don't I might not get much of a turn two or any turn three at all. Most of those are spent on spellcasting, which are often quite powerful in AoS, especially for Tzeentch.
Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
As far as I'm aware, we don't know how many Faith the Sisters will start with; the only information we have is on how to gain them. So maybe it's 9 again. Maybe it scales with Batallions like CP.
But even if we start with very few, it seems like Sisters have a much easier time generating them and we might not have a cap on the amount we can store.
As for having no synergy, that's just daft. Anyone who rolls dice has synergy with the mechanic, let alone a faction with D6 damage weapons available to every squad.
Martyred Lady is so ludicrously better it's almost comical.
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How? I mean, ok, Celestine is a must. But gaining a couple of miracle dicr and a situational +1 to hit (How many times a unit survives being shot in a MSU sister army?) doesnt seem that much more powerfull than advancing with all of your army all the time without repercusion.
Galas wrote: advancing with all of your army all the time without repercusion.
That was never a problem with flamers, only -1 to hit with melta. I guess it could be useful for bolters and heavy weapons, though heavy weapons will still hit at -1. The way it is phrased, you can't use the dirty trick of not moving but still advancing to avoid the -1 ^^'.
I was stroling through the bulletins and saw this artwork:
Wanted to post link or image here, but cant do that as a new user, so you need to go to BSB:15 and check the last artwork in this article, with sister holding shield here (wchich also suggests that maybe we will get options to give celestians or some other units like canoness prostigium protectivas?)
Don't you guys think that this shows what might be the battle sanctum?
Something like the old Grail Reliquae for Bretonnia?
Also, Celestine is not a must, that's now a warlord trait and i bet you can put it on every warlord, not just celestine
Galas wrote: advancing with all of your army all the time without repercusion.
That was never a problem with flamers, only -1 to hit with melta. I guess it could be useful for bolters and heavy weapons, though heavy weapons will still hit at -1. The way it is phrased, you can't use the dirty trick of not moving but still advancing to avoid the -1 ^^'.
No one runs flamers and -1 to hit on melta was massive.
This increases the effective range of stormbolters and heavy flamers by D6 which can be huge, especially coming out of vehicles.
OoML is good, but I doubt you'll want your entire army to have it.
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Mc_Link wrote: I was stroling through the bulletins and saw this artwork:
Wanted to post link or image here, but cant do that as a new user, so you need to go to BSB:15 and check the last artwork in this article, with sister holding shield here (wchich also suggests that maybe we will get options to give celestians or some other units like canoness prostigium protectivas?)
Don't you guys think that this shows what might be the battle sanctum?
Something like the old Grail Reliquae for Bretonnia?
Also, Celestine is not a must, that's now a warlord trait and i bet you can put it on every warlord, not just celestine
Celestine is pretty much always a must, one way or another.
Got to give GW credit, rules seem solid and very fluffy.
While at first glance I thout martyred lady was superior to shroud, after thinking about it they are both strong but in different ways.
Martyred lady will force you to run big squads as you will not get the benefit if you go MSU at all. Extra miricle dice is good, but to avoid sticky morale loses you might be using them to stop your Retributor squad from failing morale. Still, glad it stacks with a character.
Shroud will give a lot of speed while maintaining firepower. Seraphim with inferno pistols just got scarier, while flamers went much better.
Srill,horses for courses. I'm just going to do a custom order and pick which one I fancy for a change.
Dr. Mills wrote: Got to give GW credit, rules seem solid and very fluffy.
While at first glance I thout martyred lady was superior to shroud, after thinking about it they are both strong but in different ways.
Martyred lady will force you to run big squads as you will not get the benefit if you go MSU at all. Extra miricle dice is good, but to avoid sticky morale loses you might be using them to stop your Retributor squad from failing morale. Still, glad it stacks with a character.
Shroud will give a lot of speed while maintaining firepower. Seraphim with inferno pistols just got scarier, while flamers went much better.
Srill,horses for courses. I'm just going to do a custom order and pick which one I fancy for a change.
It seems like opposite to me. +1 to hit on the 1-2 sisters you have left doesn't seem quite as valuable as cheap miracle dice+bullet sponges. OoML could see large units of retributors be good but giving a severely depleted battle sister squad +1 to hit is pretty meh.
It'll also benefit msu transport list due to exploding transports being one of the few reliable ways to kill only 1 sister.
How? I mean, ok, Celestine is a must. But gaining a couple of miracle dicr and a situational +1 to hit (How many times a unit survives being shot in a MSU sister army?) doesnt seem that much more powerfull than advancing with all of your army all the time without repercusion.
plasma
sub in 1's with mdice on purpose
pick up the model the next turn if you bought a nurse
free +1 to hit
How? I mean, ok, Celestine is a must. But gaining a couple of miracle dicr and a situational +1 to hit (How many times a unit survives being shot in a MSU sister army?) doesnt seem that much more powerfull than advancing with all of your army all the time without repercusion.
plasma
sub in 1's with mdice on purpose
pick up the model the next turn if you bought a nurse
free +1 to hit
Not many Plasmas in a Sisters army....
If the Chapter tactics work on vehicles (and thats an if as GW is massively inconsistant with this) not counting as advancing is handy.
Too bad that is that the floating pulpit is a unique character. Imagine if it was a Elite or Fast Attack choice - you could have three of them moving up behind your advancing sisters. :-)
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
With GW upping cost of new releases we'll be lucky if they are marine level prices.
If they are more than marine prices, aside from the few die hards of the sisters supporters I think that would lead to many sister armies being very small and dreams of people picking them up being DoA at that point.
That model is guaranteed to be DoA.
Instead of wasting money on it, I'll be buying more tanks for my sisters, rather than this thing.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
With GW upping cost of new releases we'll be lucky if they are marine level prices.
If they are more than marine prices, aside from the few die hards of the sisters supporters I think that would lead to many sister armies being very small and dreams of people picking them up being DoA at that point.
That model is guaranteed to be DoA.
Instead of wasting money on it, I'll be buying more tanks for my sisters, rather than this thing.
Good to see you've been reading the thread, Togusa, where you seem to be the only person with so extreme a reaction to this model.
A.T. wrote: Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Looks like a conversion rate of 1 command point for 1 miracle dice. Not worth it as far as I can tell, unless there are more powerful effects that require miracle dice to fuel.
2 CPs to turn multimeltas into inferior lascannons. Entirely reliant on the cost of the multimeltas IMO.
Litanies of faith - handy if a cheap item or character ability, don't see it as a relic.
Argent shroud - no
Martyred lady - two potentially useful abilities. Pretty much guaranteed 1-3 miracle dice each turn.
Argent Shroud looks fething amazing, that's what I'll be running as I get to double my move and still shoot each turn.
insaniak wrote: I love everything except the standard bearers. They're nicely detailed, but the standards themselves are stupidly large... Even with power armor, carrying around a chunk of marble the size of your own body stuck on the end of a stick seems impractical even by 40k standards.
The flying pulpit is all sorts of awesome, though. I'm picturing a boat-shaped skimmer made up of Grimnar's sleigh for the front and the pulpit for the stern...
The pulpit looks as dumb as the Space Wolf Santa. No one is going to play thing thing on the table.
I wish GW would stop wasting precious design space on ugly looking models that never see the light of day....
Thargrim wrote: It will probably be 40-50 bucks though, for a basic hq model.
As much as we (justifiably) complain about the price, I think that going back to multi-part/multi-option HQs will only do the game a world of good. So I'll take higher price for more options any day.
True, but when you have to decide between a basic HQ or a brand new PS4 game then things start to feel a bit weird IMO. Maybe i'll be wrong though, and the sprue will be really compact and cleverly arranged and it won't cost much more than a primaris captain/lieutenant. Most of the extra bits just go in a bits bag for me, this is why duel kits like the skitarii infiltrators bugged me, lots of leftovers that I just don't need.
I think we already see the writing on the wall with the costs, the floating tower will end up like 90$$ USD. The Sisters box will be at least the same cost as Primaris Marines troop boxes, the exorcist dual kit will be same price as the impulsor marine tank, the HQs will be around 40$ USD. Just look to the marine line for like models to guess on price of these releases.
With GW upping cost of new releases we'll be lucky if they are marine level prices.
If they are more than marine prices, aside from the few die hards of the sisters supporters I think that would lead to many sister armies being very small and dreams of people picking them up being DoA at that point.
That model is guaranteed to be DoA.
Instead of wasting money on it, I'll be buying more tanks for my sisters, rather than this thing.
Good to see you've been reading the thread, Togusa, where you seem to be the only person with so extreme a reaction to this model.
Tell me, why do you think it'll be DOA?
It's ulgy. It'll likely have trash rules. 40K Rewards "Boys over Toys" to borrow a phrase from the Orks.
This model will likely be points heavy, a sitting target. I'll likely rather have more basic infantry or whatever specialist squad is bonkers low points for their dmg output than this thing. Sorry my opinion triggers you all so bad.
initially i was kind of mad at how much various stuff Order of Our Martyed Lady gets, since my sisters army is descended from scattered minor orders under folk who come from the Argent Shroud orders.
because it's a lot, predicated on losing units or models, and when it comes up the accuracy WILL help...
But i won't forsake my original order for it as of yet. though i do wonder what the other orders gained. Bloody Rose or valorous heart was the one to beat before as i recall.
im happier with this effect than the last one as an Argent Shroud. that extra mobility will be useful, even if inconsistent. Well... hopefully.
so that WL trait only works on infantry now? hrm. well, one way or another, looks like Beacon of Faith is a WL trait worth picking up, but we'll see if it's a must. thankfully you don't Have to run celestine if you don't want to anymore, though you probably will anyway(did i ever name the spirit that appears to my forces? ach, ill find one, it sure isn't celestine by name.).
hrm. these strategems are... alright. command point for a miracle die is not what i wanted to see just yet for that. the storm of retribution is... vaguely okay? i wonder how it'll pan out if thats a per unit thing. i tend to run retributors purely with heavy bolters so.. i don't know if it's worth that number of command points offhand, but it'snice that it benefits no matter what weapon option the unit... Appears to have...
oh... we really aren't getting anything new for range bands on retributors. are we getting ANYTHING that'll use new/longer rangebands? so many bolter variants... im probably not getting anything i hoped for out of this for new stuff.
...Litanies of Faith is great, that's what i was hoping for when I heard about miracle dice, but i expected it in strategem form. what other relics are to come?
I like the flying pulpit, but I want to compare the size of it to a land speeder, I'm getting a crazy idea for a Talon Master conversion looking at it...
Well when I see every player running three of them, I'll come back an apologize. (That's not going to happen though and we all know it.)
Also, I gave you three examples.
Here they are again for convenience.
It's ulgy.
It'll likely have trash rules.
40K Rewards "Boys over Toys" to borrow a phrase from the Orks.
1 - Your opinion, not any kind of fact - an opinion not shared by the vast majority, judging by online reaction.
2 - Speculation - we’ll know in a week so any posturing now is silly.
3 - Tell that to Knights.
Finally, it’s a Special Character so you couldn’t run three anyway. Better luck with your next hot take!
How about we ignore Togusa's opinion and move on with actual discussion?
At first I was unimpressed with the Argent Shroud's ability, but then I considered the mechanics of the Sisters of Battle as a whole.
They're quite short ranged. Flamers are 8", Bolters rapid fire at 12" and meltas get their double damage at 6" and won't take a -1 for advancing. Heavy Flamers don't get to shoot if you advance, and even Multi-Meltas shooting at -1 will benefit from this because you can get into that 12" sweet zone that much faster.
This trait gets you up in the opponent's face that d6" faster, and if you can use a miracle dice on advance rolls, then maybe even a guaranteed 5" or 6", and still able to fire. Vehicles like the Immolator will be able to rush in and get things roasting or melting that much faster as well!
It won't benefit things like Exorcists or Retributor squads *as much*, but it will still help the army be very fast and relatively accurate, and most importantly ALWAYS SHOOTING. You never have to make the decision of advancing or shooting with anything in an Argent Shroud list. You can always advance. Is the enemy just out of your sweet flamer range? Advance and get on up there.
In practice, I think it's going to be quite good, even if it's a small sentence of a rule.
As for the war pulpit, I love it. I think it's a gorgeous model. I'll be getting two, one to use as is, and one to convert to thE TOP OF A FREAKING BANEBLADE
Well when I see every player running three of them, I'll come back an apologize. (That's not going to happen though and we all know it.)
Also, I gave you three examples.
Here they are again for convenience.
It's ulgy.
It'll likely have trash rules.
40K Rewards "Boys over Toys" to borrow a phrase from the Orks.
1 - Your opinion, not any kind of fact - an opinion not shared by the vast majority, judging by online reaction.
2 - Speculation - we’ll know in a week so any posturing now is silly.
3 - Tell that to Knights.
Finally, it’s a Special Character so you couldn’t run three anyway. Better luck with your next hot take!
1. Fine by me.
2. Let's see, just about all the new stuff they've put out this year has been really lackluster in the rules. Anyone running the new primaris tanks? No, no they're not.
3. I don't see many knights anymore, I do see armies footslogging their basic troops, bought up to 11 though.
4. Didn't know it was a special character. In my opinion, that makes it even worse.
I really hope the Hover Pulpit ends up being like thiskit where it's technically a special character kit, but does have the option for a generic leader.
A.T. wrote: Well, there go the castles. No more 4++ saves for vehicles.
Good IMO, these abilities look useful but don't force you into boring optimal strategies. We don't want another Tau on our hands.
Really happy with that Retributor strat, properly buffs the unit regardless of weapon choice and doesn't mess around taking up three different strat slots for them. Both those Orders look useful too, though obviously Martyred lady is more generically useful.
I'm irrationally mad at the WL trait change. The reason everyone took Indomitable Belief was all the other WL traits apart from Righteous Rage were actual trash and Righteous Rage was niche at best.
They haven't fixed the WL trait problem, just changed it...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really hope the Hover Pulpit ends up being like thiskit where it's technically a special character kit, but does have the option for a generic leader.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that as well and if they were smart that's what they'd do.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really hope the Hover Pulpit ends up being like thiskit where it's technically a special character kit, but does have the option for a generic leader.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that as well and if they were smart that's what they'd do.
Would be nice if there was a generic priest in that kit that could be on top, of if you build the special character one, you end up with a priest on foot. Like the necron CCB.
I mean it could be a generic Sister rather than a Priest, but yeah. That would be good.
Speaking of which, where's the Priesthood at? The Sisters have to go war with their chanting bearded lunatics wearing sack-cloth and wielding weapons that are just as much a danger to themselves as the enemy!
Well when I see every player running three of them, I'll come back an apologize. (That's not going to happen though and we all know it.)
Also, I gave you three examples.
Here they are again for convenience.
It's ulgy.
It'll likely have trash rules.
40K Rewards "Boys over Toys" to borrow a phrase from the Orks.
1 - Your opinion, not any kind of fact - an opinion not shared by the vast majority, judging by online reaction.
2 - Speculation - we’ll know in a week so any posturing now is silly.
3 - Tell that to Knights.
Finally, it’s a Special Character so you couldn’t run three anyway. Better luck with your next hot take!
1. Fine by me.
2. Let's see, just about all the new stuff they've put out this year has been really lackluster in the rules. Anyone running the new primaris tanks? No, no they're not.
3. I don't see many knights anymore, I do see armies footslogging their basic troops, bought up to 11 though.
4. Didn't know it was a special character. In my opinion, that makes it even worse.
So basically...
1. You're wrong based upon recent responses.
2. Lolz all around....Executioners are around, just look outside your cave.
3. Still around.
Bdrone wrote: A question, in case i missed something. are there any prominent sisters characters that aren't either currently or formerly Order of Our Martyred Lady?
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really hope the Hover Pulpit ends up being like thiskit where it's technically a special character kit, but does have the option for a generic leader.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that as well and if they were smart that's what they'd do.
Or like the new nurgal Greater deamon that makes a special character nurgal deamon or a generic one.
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
John Prins wrote: The more I think about it, the less impactful Miracle Dice are going to be.
Reason? I play Disciples of Tzeentch and you start the game with 9 dice in the bank. I often spend 4-6 of those in turn one, because if I don't I might not get much of a turn two or any turn three at all. Most of those are spent on spellcasting, which are often quite powerful in AoS, especially for Tzeentch.
Sisters are starting with maybe 2-3 at the start of turn one, depending on choices? And they don't have psykers handing out 4-6 mortal wounds per power. So Sisters don't have good synergy with this particular mechanic.
Their whole AT department is basically on weapons that have d6 damage and possibly d6 shots. Getting reliable damage output from those is rather handy. Not to mention that there are situations where quaranteed kill of a character for example is more useful than it automatic 5 for example might sound. Automatic 5 damage to knight isn't that big deal. Automatic 5 to W5 character? Splat.
Well when I see every player running three of them, I'll come back an apologize. (That's not going to happen though and we all know it.)
Ah yes how nice of you to make rigged claim that's literally impossible to fill Lol. Shows how unsure you must be when you make claim it needs to be fielded in 3's to not be DOA when it's unique so can be fielded max 1 to begin with ;-)
Guess you ain't betting any money then since you seem to know you would lose that bet.
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
Togusa wrote: 2. Let's see, just about all the new stuff they've put out this year has been really lackluster in the rules. Anyone running the new primaris tanks? No, no they're not.
Ummm...Yeah? The invictors and executioners are atm on top tables a lot. So...Yeah you are flat out wrong here.
3. I don't see many knights anymore, I do see armies footslogging their basic troops, bought up to 11 though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really hope the Hover Pulpit ends up being like thiskit where it's technically a special character kit, but does have the option for a generic leader.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that as well and if they were smart that's what they'd do.
Or like the new nurgal Greater deamon that makes a special character nurgal deamon or a generic one.
Bdrone wrote: oh... we really aren't getting anything new for range bands on retributors. are we getting ANYTHING that'll use new/longer rangebands? so many bolter variants... im probably not getting anything i hoped for out of this for new stuff.
...Litanies of Faith is great, that's what i was hoping for when I heard about miracle dice, but i expected it in strategem form. what other relics are to come?
The Sister's thing is Faith and the Holy Trinity, I'd be surprised if they added anything to the Retributors. But we do have vague promises of new things such as Zephyrim and the Pulpit, so who knows what else will sneak in there?
We've had Litanies and the Book of St Lucius confirmed. The others from the beta were the Blade of Admonition, Brazier of Eternal Flame, Mantle of Ophelia, and the Wrath of the Emperor. So a beatstick, an anti-psyker, a save booster and a decent pistol. None related to faith... But this seems like a big deal of a release, so maybe we'll see some of the older ones like the Axe of Retribution and the Cloak of St Aspira make a comeback too.
Tomorrow morning is going to be fun, going to be trying to order the 3rd Siege of Terra book from GW and the sisters box from a 3rd party at the same time, so hopefully the sell out times won't be too crazy (or GW will actually have released enough to meet demand!).
Bdrone wrote: oh... we really aren't getting anything new for range bands on retributors. are we getting ANYTHING that'll use new/longer rangebands? so many bolter variants... im probably not getting anything i hoped for out of this for new stuff.
...Litanies of Faith is great, that's what i was hoping for when I heard about miracle dice, but i expected it in strategem form. what other relics are to come?
The Sister's thing is Faith and the Holy Trinity, I'd be surprised if they added anything to the Retributors. But we do have vague promises of new things such as Zephyrim and the Pulpit, so who knows what else will sneak in there?
We've had Litanies and the Book of St Lucius confirmed. The others from the beta were the Blade of Admonition, Brazier of Eternal Flame, Mantle of Ophelia, and the Wrath of the Emperor. So a beatstick, an anti-psyker, a save booster and a decent pistol. None related to faith... But this seems like a big deal of a release, so maybe we'll see some of the older ones like the Axe of Retribution and the Cloak of St Aspira make a comeback too.
They all tie into Faith. The Blade of Admonition was the weapon thet ended the Age of Apostasy, the sword of a most revered Saint. I expect them to all return, though I wouldn't miss the Wrath of the Emperor.
One of the problems the Sisters have had over time is that there haven't been many SC models produced for the faction - and the two that were made in 2nd ed were both men.
It's like they encouraged you to smash in GW mail Orders for all those individual metal bits so you could convert to your heart's content. I'm looking at you 2nd Ed Imperial Guard Stumper McStart and the original Last Chancers.
Demand for this is very high and stock for this will be very limited. Rather than have a mad scramble on tomorrow morning we have opened a Register of Interest.
GW haven't announced the price yet but because of the very limited numbers we will not be doing our usual discount on this item. It will also be limited to 1 per customer.
If you wish to place your name on the Register of Interest list please fill out the form in the link below. The form will be removed once we hit our incoming stock numbers:
Please note we are not allowed to tell you how many we are receiving or what the discount will be until Saturday at 10am when we are officially allowed to discuss it. This is not us being secretive or having the chance to implement our advanced ninja training, this is us complying with Games Workshop policy
further evidence that this box is going to be in really short supply, and note they're NOT going to be offering the normal discount (any discount?)
Dr. Mills wrote: Shroud will give a lot of speed while maintaining firepower. Seraphim with inferno pistols just got scarier, while flamers went much better.
Didn't change a thing for flamers.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: That was me, there's too much stuff too fast now to keep the title up to date.
How about I just do [Adepta Sororitas] Tons of crap-Every Page
Sorry KK, didn't mean to sound rude. But yes it looks better even with a very generic title that doesn't need updating like "Army re-release" .
drbored wrote: They're quite short ranged. Flamers are 8", Bolters rapid fire at 12" and meltas get their double damage at 6" and won't take a -1 for advancing. Heavy Flamers don't get to shoot if you advance
You can always advance. Is the enemy just out of your sweet flamer range? Advance and get on up there.
Please please please people learn the rules. Flamers and heavy flamers are both assault weapons. YES, even the HEAVY flamer is an ASSAULT weapon. So is the Immolator special Immolation Flamer. That means you can already advance with a flamer/heavy flamer and shoot with it! You just get -1 to hit, but you don't roll to hit anyway.
The Argent shroud does nothing, NOTHING for flamers. It's useful if you get flamers in the same unit as non-flamers, though. But for a 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer dominion unit, (the one we all know and love for MAXIMUM FLAMERIZING when you don't care about being the most competitive) it's just 2 extra bolter shots at -1 to hit still. And for immolation immolators, it changes literally nothing.
Demand for this is very high and stock for this will be very limited. Rather than have a mad scramble on tomorrow morning we have opened a Register of Interest.
GW haven't announced the price yet but because of the very limited numbers we will not be doing our usual discount on this item. It will also be limited to 1 per customer.
If you wish to place your name on the Register of Interest list please fill out the form in the link below. The form will be removed once we hit our incoming stock numbers:
Please note we are not allowed to tell you how many we are receiving or what the discount will be until Saturday at 10am when we are officially allowed to discuss it. This is not us being secretive or having the chance to implement our advanced ninja training, this is us complying with Games Workshop policy
further evidence that this box is going to be in really short supply, and note they're NOT going to be offering the normal discount (any discount?)
Ooops, should have read that more closely - if there's no discount I'm not fussed.
Please please please people learn the rules.
Flamers and heavy flamers are both assault weapons. YES, even the HEAVY flamer is an ASSAULT weapon. So is the Immolator special Immolation Flamer.
That means you can already advance with a flamer/heavy flamer and shoot with it! You just get -1 to hit, but you don't roll to hit anyway.
Heavy Flamers are Heavy D6, right? So Argent Shroud would affect them.
Dr. Mills wrote: Shroud will give a lot of speed while maintaining firepower. Seraphim with inferno pistols just got scarier, while flamers went much better.
Didn't change a thing for flamers.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: That was me, there's too much stuff too fast now to keep the title up to date.
How about I just do [Adepta Sororitas] Tons of crap-Every Page
Sorry KK, didn't mean to sound rude. But yes it looks better even with a very generic title that doesn't need updating like "Army re-release" .
drbored wrote: They're quite short ranged. Flamers are 8", Bolters rapid fire at 12" and meltas get their double damage at 6" and won't take a -1 for advancing. Heavy Flamers don't get to shoot if you advance
You can always advance. Is the enemy just out of your sweet flamer range? Advance and get on up there.
Please please please people learn the rules.
Flamers and heavy flamers are both assault weapons. YES, even the HEAVY flamer is an ASSAULT weapon. So is the Immolator special Immolation Flamer.
That means you can already advance with a flamer/heavy flamer and shoot with it! You just get -1 to hit, but you don't roll to hit anyway.
The Argent shroud does nothing, NOTHING for flamers. It's useful if you get flamers in the same unit as non-flamers, though. But for a 4 flamers, 1 combi-flamer dominion unit, (the one we all know and love for MAXIMUM FLAMERIZING when you don't care about being the most competitive) it's just 2 extra bolter shots at -1 to hit still. And for immolation immolators, it changes literally nothing.
It did confirm that Repressors ARE NOT in the Codex, and that you can't get an Knight benefiting from Sacred Rites. And that you can change the loadouts on Penitent Engines. Whips were mentioned in that context; giant ArcoFlagellents?
Vague hints included 'Light of the Emperor makes you fast', 'One of the Orders is based on durability', 'Bloody Rose is great for Repentia'. They made oblique hints to a Warlord trait that sounded a hell of a lot like Beacon of Faith.
Not even a passing mention of the Pulpit or Zephyrim.
beast_gts wrote: Word is that the UK 3rd party / trade allocation is now completely sold out.
Yes that is correct, Indies are getting an allocation rather than what they have requested despite being asked for approx numbers earlier this month, GW have not made enough to go round. No word on a second run
It did confirm that Repressors ARE NOT in the Codex, and that you can't get an Knight benefiting from Sacred Rites. And that you can change the loadouts on Penitent Engines. Whips were mentioned in that context; giant ArcoFlagellents?
Vague hints included 'Light of the Emperor makes you fast', 'One of the Orders is based on durability', 'Bloody Rose is great for Repentia'. They made oblique hints to a Warlord trait that sounded a hell of a lot like Beacon of Faith.
Not even a passing mention of the Pulpit or Zephyrim.
Thank you for posting this.
Confirmation that the pengines have the loadout teased in the Art they showed is excellent, especially because it seemed like it was some sort of bolter weapon going with those flails.
'Hand of the Emperor' used to be the AoF that gave you +3 movement so it'll be interesting to see what 'light of the emperor' does. Anything that makes sisters faster is going to be very helpful.
Valorous heart was 6+++ so it's probably that one for durability. Bloody rose was +S +1A on the charge so it'll be amazing for repentia if it's the same or better.
Anything that sounded like convictions/AoFs on vehicles?
Souleater wrote: I wonder if this is a tactic by GW to get folks to order directly rather than through independent stockists?
Or did the indies come back with much larger requests than GW expected?
Likely the latter. After all, why bother with lines and ordering day 1 when you can order day -5 and guarantee you've gotten something? I personally have had bad experiences with preordering limited things through independent/trade shops, since sometimes they can make grand promises but not actually get what they ordered. Ordering direct is the best way to guarantee you're going to get what you want, even if you don't get the 15-25% off that the trade stores offer.
Anyway, not a surprise at all. They say they make plenty, but not only do you have fans that have been waiting 10-20 years for this release, but also the scalpers that started salivating as soon as they saw 'special edition'.
I'm reminded of a picture of a scalper that bought some 10-15 copies of Forgebane when it came out, just to pick it apart for bits and the knight armigers. It was this huge stack of Forgebane boxes. I can only imagine we'll see something similar after Black Friday, of one jerk scalper that bought as many as he could and is going to sell all the pieces for a 100% increase in price on Ebay.
It did confirm that Repressors ARE NOT in the Codex, and that you can't get an Knight benefiting from Sacred Rites. And that you can change the loadouts on Penitent Engines. Whips were mentioned in that context; giant ArcoFlagellents?
Vague hints included 'Light of the Emperor makes you fast', 'One of the Orders is based on durability', 'Bloody Rose is great for Repentia'. They made oblique hints to a Warlord trait that sounded a hell of a lot like Beacon of Faith.
Not even a passing mention of the Pulpit or Zephyrim.
Thank you for posting this.
Confirmation that the pengines have the loadout teased in the Art they showed is excellent, especially because it seemed like it was some sort of bolter weapon going with those flails.
'Hand of the Emperor' used to be the AoF that gave you +3 movement so it'll be interesting to see what 'light of the emperor' does. Anything that makes sisters faster is going to be very helpful.
Valorous heart was 6+++ so it's probably that one for durability. Bloody rose was +S +1A on the charge so it'll be amazing for repentia if it's the same or better.
Anything that sounded like convictions/AoFs on vehicles?
It may well have been Hand of the Emperor, not Light... My notes are a bit sloppy!
No comments on the convictions or acts on Vehicles. Someone asked about whether Penitent Engines could benefit from Sacred Rites, but there was no straight answer; 'Check the datasheets, and models with the Sacred Rites rule can benefit'. Or words to that effect.
Also, ripped this from a FB post from another person that watched the stream. Mostly same information, but a few other tidbits:
Ok, So the Warhammer TV stream was pretty much just going back over the stuff we've seen in the Bulletins over the last few days. Not really enough to justify a blog post, but I'll jot down the few new things we did learn:
*The are no psykers featured in the codex
*The Repressor will not be in the Codex.
*There are no "customer chapters" like we had in the SM and Elder codex.
*"The Hand Of the Emperor" is a Conviction that will "Get you into combat better"
*Priests, Missionaries and Father Jacobus will be in the codex.
*There are "many" named characters we haven't announced yet that will have "new and interesting" buffs and effects.
*There are a number of new units with datasheets that arn't in the beta-codex.
I hope this is useful to anyone who couldn't make the stream.
St.Katherine is the patron saint of The Order of Our Martyred Lady - she is the Martyred Lady. Her armour and sword are those now wielded by Celestine. So looks like another OOOML special character, sorry other orders!
drbored wrote:*There are no "customer chapters" like we had in the SM and Elder codex.
Yep. Looks like two pages of Fluff on the Orders Minoris, but no rules.
*Priests, Missionaries and Father Jacobus will be in the codex.
Unless I'm missing something on that table of contents, the latter isn't true.
*There are "many" named characters we haven't announced yet that will have "new and interesting" buffs and effects.
'Many' in this case being equal to exactly one. Assuming 'Triumph of Saint Katharine' is a special character. Junith is obviously announced already.
*There are a number of new units with datasheets that aren't in the beta-codex.
True. 2 SCs, 2 units and what's probably a building. 4 (maybe 5, if the sanctum turns out not to be building) is definitely 'a number.'
Mortifiers are actually interesting. Except for Sisters Repentia, all the 'sisters units' have a naming convention of <XXX> Squad, including the new Zephyrim. Mortifiers don't. Which makes me wonder if they're a variant of Repentia or even Penitent Engines, rather than my initial assumption of dual kit with Retributors. Repentia to Mortifiers has a thematic convention (as in mortification of flesh), though I don't know why they'd be heavy support.
Rubenite wrote: Speciation time: given that we haven't yet seen the multipart Seraphim, the Zephyrim could be an alternative build from a duel kit?
That's certainly my assumption. Zephyr means 'wind/breeze,' so apparently they're adding elite slot jump pack troops, hopefully with close combat weapons.
Could Mortifiers be another tank? Like an anti-infantry Exorcist?
Mortification was the religious practice of (among other things) causing pain to flesh to drive out sin.
Shame that Geminae and the Repentia Superior still seem to be separate units.
Imagifier very prominently there too. They're the one I most want spoiled rules for, as they're likely key to how effective we can make the Faith engine
Hoc Est Bellum wrote: Could Mortifiers be another tank? Like an anti-infantry Exorcist?
Seems unlikely, simply because the word is plural.
If they weren't listed between the Exorcist and Retributor Squad, they could be bikers or light vehicles in the FA slot, but they look to be heavy support, and more than one.
Breaking down the table of contents
HQ - Canoness
- Celestine
- Triump of Saint Katherine (new)
- Junith 'Flame platform' Emumblemumble (new)
- Missionary
Troops
- Battle Sisters Squad
Elites (in theory, Preacher and Arco-flagellants could be in the category above or below Elite, but I really doubt it, for now, sticking with the beta version slot makes sense, and Preachers don't really fit as individual troop choices)
- Preacher
- Geminia Superia
- Repentia Superior
- Sisters Repentia
- Celestian Squad
- Zephyrim Squad (new, probably dual kit with Seraphim)
- Dialogus
- Hospitaler
- Imagifier
- Crusaders
- Death Cult Assassins
- Arco-flagellants
Fast Attack
- Dominion Squad
- Seraphim Squad
Heavy Support
- Exorcist
- Mortifiers (new, I think they are likely a dual kit with repentia or penitent engines)
- Retributor Squad
- Pentitnet Engines
Transport
-Soroitas Rhino
-Immolator
Fortification or maybe Lord of War or maybe possibly conceivably Flyer because that one photo. But its a sanctum, so probably its a bloody building, and GW love, love, loves giving armies a terrain piece these days.
- Battle Sanctum
Mortifactors are almost certainly the shooting build penitent engine - if you look at the 'Bestiary' entry (Warriors of the Faith bit rather than the Army list) you'll see that there is no "Penitent Engine" but instead "Engines of Penitence" and no Mortifactor entry.
Would make sense that we've seen the combined art too.
Hoc Est Bellum wrote:
Mortification was the religious practice of (among other things) causing pain to flesh to drive out sin.
Tastyfish wrote:Mortifactors are almost certainly the shooting build penitent engine - if you look at the 'Bestiary' entry (Warriors of the Faith bit rather than the Army list) you'll see that there is no "Penitent Engine" but instead "Engines of Penitence" and no Mortifactor entry.
Would make sense that we've seen the combined art too.
Very plausible given the above point by Hoc. Whipping/lashing being the instrument of choice for causing pain to the flesh.
Tastyfish wrote: Mortifactors are almost certainly the shooting build penitent engine - if you look at the 'Bestiary' entry (Warriors of the Faith bit rather than the Army list) you'll see that there is no "Penitent Engine" but instead "Engines of Penitence" and no Mortifactor entry.
Would make sense that we've seen the combined art too.
That's a good catch- so Seraphim/Zephyrim and Penitent/Mortifactors are the most likely scenarios.
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