If I recall correctly, Wild Riders were only Forest Spirits in 6th (and 7th by extension), the 8th ed book no longer gave them the Forest Spirit keyword - which was odd, as the new plastic models made them far less Elven. Only the Great Stag (lord/hero mount) was still an actual Forest Spirit, weirdly enough.
I genuinely do not have the pre-6th edition book, so cannot comment on if Forest Spirit was a thing or not then: but yes, that was the point I was making. I just didn't feel like going through the whole "History of Wood Elves In Brief" summary today.
I will never understand what GW was thinking on that book or what they did with Wanderers at AoS launch.
Well, you were saying that the Wild Riders were Forest Spirits, which they weren't in their last incarnation in 8th as far as I'm aware. (Unless it was FAQ'd). Only in 6th-7th they were. And in 5th... I don't think they existed yet? Don't recall models for them at least.
Anway, it matters little.
Not sure what the exact initial or current lore for the Sylvaneth is, but I got the feeling 8th was already leading into them a little. Treekin for example used to be random forest spirits inhabiting dead wood if I'm not mistaken (6th), while in 8th those were suddenly Elven souls instead (which felt odd, given the supposed split between the Elven and pure forest factions within the army). Looking at the Revenants, it makes a lot more sense that the two were suddenly combined, as that was a direction they were already planning to go to perhaps.
Overread wrote: I still think GW isn't quite sure what to do with some legacy forces. Eg I get a growing feeling that part of GW wants to reunite the Dark Elf modes (the whole army is basically there barring the artillery and a few heroes/leaders). Meanwhile its impossible to predict if Kurnothi are going to be a united force with Sylvaneth; or their own thing or even a whole army and whatever way that goes the remains in Cities of Sigmar are still under question.
What's even left at this stage? Just Araloth, Eternal Guard and Wild Riders (plus dual builds). The Eternal Guard are one of several units of spears available (Dreadspears, State Troops), the Riders one of several cavalry options (Dark Riders, Cold Ones, Pistoliers). They certainly could be dropped or moved and nothing much would change I guess. Based on the Underworlds warband, it would have been a surprise to see them join the Kurnothi, but now that the Cursed City Elf, visually very... Elven... has become a thing? All those three could definitely fit right in.
If I recall correctly, Wild Riders were only Forest Spirits in 6th (and 7th by extension), the 8th ed book no longer gave them the Forest Spirit keyword - which was odd, as the new plastic models made them far less Elven. Only the Great Stag (lord/hero mount) was still an actual Forest Spirit, weirdly enough.
I genuinely do not have the pre-6th edition book, so cannot comment on if Forest Spirit was a thing or not then: but yes, that was the point I was making. I just didn't feel like going through the whole "History of Wood Elves In Brief" summary today.
I will never understand what GW was thinking on that book or what they did with Wanderers at AoS launch.
Well, you were saying that the Wild Riders were Forest Spirits, which they weren't in their last incarnation in 8th as far as I'm aware. (Unless it was FAQ'd). Only in 6th-7th they were. And in 5th... I don't think they existed yet? Don't recall models for them at least.
Wild Riders were an entirely new thing introduced in 6th. While they lacked the rule in 8th, the fluff mentions they're no longer truly Elves.
Intereatingly, the coin is Ghal Maraz, and not Vampire themed, which is out of sync with the other coins, as they’ve reflected a month’s major release.
Pure speculation? This coin was meant for AoS 3rd Ed, which may have been pushed back due to production issues?
Danny76 wrote: The article also says the coin will be gone for good when May comes to an end.
Where normally they aren’t sending them back or anything..?
My local had all but the Death Guard coin on offer and Im guessing as we have been in lockdown through most of the coins releases, they have kept them at stores so we still get the chance to collect them, im now wondering if past coins will disappear in a couple of days when we hit May!
When googling images of the coins the other day I also noticed a picture of a case/holder for the coins, how do we get hold of that, has it been mentioned by GW?
Danny76 wrote: The article also says the coin will be gone for good when May comes to an end.
Where normally they aren’t sending them back or anything..?
My local had all but the Death Guard coin on offer and Im guessing as we have been in lockdown through most of the coins releases, they have kept them at stores so we still get the chance to collect them, im now wondering if past coins will disappear in a couple of days when we hit May!
When googling images of the coins the other day I also noticed a picture of a case/holder for the coins, how do we get hold of that, has it been mentioned by GW?
GW Maidstone have their cases in now. Seems you just need to turn up with your six different coins, and sorted.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Intereatingly, the coin is Ghal Maraz, and not Vampire themed, which is out of sync with the other coins, as they’ve reflected a month’s major release.
Pure speculation? This coin was meant for AoS 3rd Ed, which may have been pushed back due to production issues?
While this coin does indeed not go with a new release, I could see GW considering the reveal of 3rd ed big enough an event to make a coin for that for May. They would announce a new edition during Warhammer Fest and at no other point, so whatever else might be a May release would always have that as competition.
Then for when the new edition drops, a monthly coin each for the starter box armies since GW typically doesn't release both armies in the starter box in the same month.
Is that what's going to happen? Who knows? I'm in the camp that doesn't believe GW would delay a new Warhammer edition if it can at all be helped. Anything surrounding it? Sure. The starter box/rule set itself? No. So I don't think this coin was originally meant for an edition launch and got rescheduled.
I would have spent £60 to get a VC coin too..
Still we don’t know when Vampires are coming. It could be the last week in May pre order to start, and be over a few weeks, or two separate drops like Sisters, Lumineth and others.
So maybe they’ll get a coin at some point.
Happy with my Death Guard coin and my Chaos one (Be’lakor: but does he have his own symbol? Or is this just a normal 8 pointed star, it does look a little different, but I don’t know if he has his own version of the star..?)
That has more to do with the Anvil of Blood, which is basically a "Build Your Own Hero". It's been a way for a lot of legacy items to see usage and for converters to really stretch their legs.
Kanluwen wrote: That has more to do with the Anvil of Blood, which is basically a "Build Your Own Hero". It's been a way for a lot of legacy items to see usage and for converters to really stretch their legs.
Ohhh, that makes sense. I don't really read the White Dwarfs so thanks for clarifying.
Kanluwen wrote: That has more to do with the Anvil of Blood, which is basically a "Build Your Own Hero". It's been a way for a lot of legacy items to see usage and for converters to really stretch their legs.
Ohhh, that makes sense. I don't really read the White Dwarfs so thanks for clarifying.
They brought them out with General's Handbook 2020 and have added a few via White Dwarf it seems. I hadn't kept up too well either, but Sam Pearson tweeted out about it today.
Two so far; one for OBR Mortisan/Liege and FEC Coutier/Abhorrent, then one for Khorne/Tzeentch mortal/herald/greater daemon heroes. Both have been extremely good, a step up from the regular Anvil (which is a high bar) in quality.
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Lot of models for one book, but still no Kragnos (yet). If this was meant to lead up to the next edition of AOS, I'm surprised they're ending it this early.
We still haven't seen
Spoiler:
Grombrindal
who was teased in the last BR book, which means we could have six models released for the book. It's possible he'd get released later on, and that plot points from the books will be addressed in future army releases.
So Monday will either show Kragnos or a new edition is my guess.
Judging by this:
You may have noticed that a lot of awesome Broken Realms-related things happen on Mondays. What’s that all about? There just so happens to be a Monday coming up pretty soon, and it’s the first day of Warhammer Fest – maybe it’s worth checking back to see if there’s more news…
Are we being too obtuse? You really should check back on Monday.
Head to the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook page and tell us what you think will happen in Broken Realms: Kragnos. What exactly IS Kragnos, anyway?
I do like the idea that if they feel they have to do campaign books, they write to a story with the appropriate factions, and not just shoehorn in every single faction in the game regardless of relevance.
Makes it far less tedious, and slightly more of an event than a sales gimmick.
I do like the idea that if they feel they have to do campaign books, they write to a story with the appropriate factions, and not just shoehorn in every single faction in the game regardless of relevance.
Makes it far less tedious, and slightly more of an event than a sales gimmick.
Some people really hate that though, one AOs discord went ballistic because not all of their factions were covered. But I don't think it was ever meant to be that?
I don't know, I never listen to their marketing. They are usually full of it lol
Are the Skeletons from Cursed City going to replace the current Skeleton box? I can't find info anywhere. I wish GW would be more clear about this, I need to know if I gotta buy them now before it's too late.
The current Skeletons look so much better, like they're marching to war. These new ones look like they're doing a striptease. Very disappointed in the static poses on the tree Zombies too...
IHateAoS wrote: Are the Skeletons from Cursed City going to replace the current Skeleton box? I can't find info anywhere. I wish GW would be more clear about this, I need to know if I gotta buy them now before it's too late.
From the previous preview, it looked like the Skeletons are getting replaced by a new box that's more similar to the cursed city skeletons (and that's true for zombies as well), but aren't just the CC sprues (which are probably mixed anyway).
IHateAoS wrote: Are the Skeletons from Cursed City going to replace the current Skeleton box? I can't find info anywhere. I wish GW would be more clear about this, I need to know if I gotta buy them now before it's too late.
From the previous preview, it looked like the Skeletons are getting replaced by a new box that's more similar to the cursed city skeletons (and that's true for zombies as well), but aren't just the CC sprues (which are probably mixed anyway).
Ah, thanks for the quick response.
I just checked and the Skeleton Warriors are out of stock on the official store. I'm sweating bullets already...
I do like the idea that if they feel they have to do campaign books, they write to a story with the appropriate factions, and not just shoehorn in every single faction in the game regardless of relevance.
Makes it far less tedious, and slightly more of an event than a sales gimmick.
Some people really hate that though, one AOs discord went ballistic because not all of their factions were covered. But I don't think it was ever meant to be that?
I don't know, I never listen to their marketing. They are usually full of it lol
Seeing most got just single battalion last book could easily cover rest. How many factions left? 3 pages can cover 9 factions
Danny76 wrote: No It was never mentioned it would be all or anything.
Not like Psychic Awakening for 40k where they said all factions would be covered.
I mean:
This is an exciting moment for Warhammer Age of Sigmar, with lore that pushes the storyline forward, updated rules, and plenty of new models on the horizon. Every major faction will be getting some attention.
This does imply that if you haven’t been covered, you aren’t a major faction, and I could see why that would annoy people. I don’t think there have been any Destruction factions covered so far, for example.
This does imply that if you haven’t been covered, you aren’t a major faction, and I could see why that would annoy people. I don’t think there have been any Destruction factions covered so far, for example.
That 100% checks out with GW's general treatment of Destruction. They're literally written like an NPC grand alliance, the kind of mobs you throw at the party in between fighting the main enemy of the campaign.
Which is weird, since they had at least a few stories on the Warcom site that were part of their Broken Realms series. Gordrakk was gathering a waagh, I think Ogors showed up, etc.
Well, the only thing we know about Kragnos himself is that he's super angry, but not if he's Chaos, or Destruction? (The other two don't seem likely, at least)
Once GW releases vampires that basically means pretty much everything in Death will have had a big release and update. The only army that "might" slip the net is Flesheaters, but they might also get some updates through soulblight as well with some shared models.
With Chaos already having had a lot of work done on it as well; right now only really Skaven needs a big update and that's more an overhaul than adding new things
It certainly leaves the door wide open to GW focusing on Destruction for a good while!
The list of factions who have gotten nothing is pretty short outside Destruction. Sylvaneth and Slaanesh we know are getting something in Cragnos so can count them out, which leaves:
-Blades of Khorne
-Beasts of Chaos
-Skaven
-Legions of Nagash (maybe getting replaced by SGL anyways)
Destruction is the obvious hole. I will be keen to see what they get come Cragnos.
Of those I'd say that Khorne did really well at the start of AoS model wise; Skaven have done well in preserving what they've got and the 2.0 rules put them back together. I think they are mostly sitting in the spot of needing a big range update in one go so I appreciate them sitting out for a bit of the drip fed new models - they don't need "more" options just an update of many of their current ones.
Beasts of Chaos I'm less familiar with in general.
LoN is hard ot predict what will happen to them; If its replaced with soulblight then that's that; if it sticks around then the soulblight updates most of the old models in the army anyway.
I do really hope SGL don't replace LoN. Not because LoN would be gone (it would just be a new version) but because it would rob Soulblight of the chance to be their own army. They would just be the mixed undead army 2.0, rather than specifically a vampire one.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The list of factions who have gotten nothing is pretty short outside Destruction. Sylvaneth and Slaanesh we know are getting something in Cragnos so can count them out, which leaves:
-Blades of Khorne
-Beasts of Chaos
-Skaven
-Legions of Nagash (maybe getting replaced by SGL anyways)
Destruction is the obvious hole. I will be keen to see what they get come Cragnos.
On another note there have been 4 battalion boxsets with every book so if Slannesh doesn't get one because they got the double box with the first one and LoN are gone that would be exactly 4 with Blades of Khorne, Beasts of Chaos, Skaven and Sylvaneth
(Which would also mean that Fyreslayers won't get anything more that those two warscrolls in Belakor not even a discount box which makes me sad)
I'm kinda glad that they've confirmed that the last book in the Broken Realms series will be Kragnos.
Maybe it's only 4 books because it's AoS and they know AoS doesn't sell as well as 40k. Maybe they learned from Psychic Awakening and toned it down #'s of books wise.
Either way, when that finally comes out we'll be clear into AoS 3.0 and see how busted up the realms really become.
drbored wrote: I'm kinda glad that they've confirmed that the last book in the Broken Realms series will be Kragnos.
Maybe it's only 4 books because it's AoS and they know AoS doesn't sell as well as 40k. Maybe they learned from Psychic Awakening and toned it down #'s of books wise.
Either way, when that finally comes out we'll be clear into AoS 3.0 and see how busted up the realms really become.
A lot happened narratively in those four books though. More in just one than in all of PA. Go on much longer and they'd have run out of factions to upend.
They’ve gotten better at doing a campaign run really.
I’d like to see more, they can do these 3-4 book runs. Shorter but more involved and more interesting.
Swap between the two systems each time.
NinthMusketeer wrote: AoS campaign books are everything people wanted from PA and didn't get.
At any rate, I am dreading the coming of AoS 3rd. I have a nagging feeling that we will be looking back at 2nd edition as the golden age of AoS.
I don't know, AoS 2.0 might be hard to beat in terms of impact, but lets not forget 2.0 was pretty much the grand rescue of the game and armies itself. Prior to that was the Age of Chaos in all but name for AoS. 2.0 shored things up a lot, introduced new things and steadied the boat. 3.0 could, if done right, actually be the proper golden age. Polishing some of the 2.0 elements, adding a few new ones and, importantly, giving even more models and options to some smaller forces that through 2.0 were either just introduced (eg Ossiarchs) or which didn't get a big update through that edition.
Plus it moves us further from the launch and 1.0 disasters/messes that came before.
NinthMusketeer wrote: AoS campaign books are everything people wanted from PA and didn't get.
At any rate, I am dreading the coming of AoS 3rd. I have a nagging feeling that we will be looking back at 2nd edition as the golden age of AoS.
I don't know, AoS 2.0 might be hard to beat in terms of impact, but lets not forget 2.0 was pretty much the grand rescue of the game and armies itself. Prior to that was the Age of Chaos in all but name for AoS. 2.0 shored things up a lot, introduced new things and steadied the boat. 3.0 could, if done right, actually be the proper golden age. Polishing some of the 2.0 elements, adding a few new ones and, importantly, giving even more models and options to some smaller forces that through 2.0 were either just introduced (eg Ossiarchs) or which didn't get a big update through that edition.
Plus it moves us further from the launch and 1.0 disasters/messes that came before.
I can understand the concern. After the very short damage assessment phase of 1st ed GW spent the rest of the edition integrating traditional structure into the existing game to rectify the situation, resulting in a mashup of the design paradigm that gave us the AoS launch version and proven rule set structure from older GW games that started with the first General's Handbook and revision of the army book contents and culminated in 2nd ed. The issue is, GW has since left damage control mode and has had time to think about how they want to develop AoS further.
Which means if you like the principles AoS was built on until now, there's a real chance that one of GW's infamous paradigm changes is going to hit and the next edition departs from what you like.
Doesn't have to happen with 3rd ed. It could happen halfway through the edition, as these things tend to go. Or the edition after. But with GW it's only a matter of time, because you can be sure it's going to happen eventually.
It’s very weird, but I actually really like Lauka Vai. If I thought I’d actually paint it I might pick one up for that. I also like that they Father Gascoigne’d Radukar.
Sightly sad that the only appearance of the Bloodborne is on Radukar's base, it would have been nice to get them as a unit choice. Having said that, I do really like all of the new models... expensive is un understatement for the release weeks...
I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.
How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.
How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.
Um, it's pretty clear it simply leaps from gothic ruin to gothic ruin, all across the 8 realms.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.
How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.
To each their own. I actually like the Vampire Centaur its unique.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.
How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.
To each their own. I actually like the Vampire Centaur its unique.
I mean... its got some super awkwardly placed wings that most artists wouldn't do, but just type 'dragon centaur' into google or deviant art and you'll get a lot of very similar things. And some things you can't unsee. D&D started really pushing... uh... 'half-races' about 20 years back, and it left a lot of permanent marks on the fantasy genre (though there was a lot of enthusiastic art even before that).
Plus its mostly just a lady dragon ogre that got mugged by a pair of superfluous Legion of Everblight wings, and just went on with her life.
At their worst angles, the pics look like someone left and unfinished vargulf on a table and someone just came along and randomly glued a vampire torso on its shoulders. It doesn't look like a single model to me.
Voss wrote: At their worst angles, the pics look like someone left and unfinished vargulf on a table and someone just came along and randomly glued a vampire torso on its shoulders. It doesn't look like a single model to me.
Especially since the belt / loincloth at a glance looks like it could be a head for the lower half.
But yeah, not a fan.
The Dire Wolves look okay, I was about to buy a bunch of Fenrisian Wolves to use as dire wolves since I don't like the old ones, but maybe I'll hold off.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I just can't get over how dumb of a model the vampire centaur is.
How does it walk or even fly? Does the body flop itself forward on the ground with its wing legs? It would be so awkward and ungainly, especially given how front heavy it is with the huge humanoid torso on it.
Um, it's pretty clear it simply leaps from gothic ruin to gothic ruin, all across the 8 realms.
When you never get old, the game of 'the ground is hot lava' never ends
Stick them on a horse they'd look good. I wonder how big they are, could be a pretty cool set if they included some legs so you could build one of them on foot.
How big is she? I couldn't tell from the video. She looks a bit bigger than the infantry models behind her in the video, but she also is closer to the camera so maybe not that much bigger?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: How big is she? I couldn't tell from the video. She looks a bit bigger than the infantry models behind her in the video, but she also is closer to the camera so maybe not that much bigger?
So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
Togusa wrote: So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
There are no FEC exclusive units in that picture. The Zombie Dragon has always been dual faction and the big ghoul things are a triple kit that builds two FEC units and 1 Soulblight unit
Togusa wrote: So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
You mean the Terrorgheist? Probably just a cross-Faction model now like the Zombie Dragon.
Togusa wrote: So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
Well I don't believe that FeC is going anywhere but it is a good question how these interact with each other some of these new stuff do have some ghoulish elements.
On the one hand I don't think GW will get rid of the FEC, on the other the only model they've got is the getting started set, one plastic leader and one finecast varghast and some Endless Spells.
They have perhaps the smallest range of models in terms of what's on sale.
That said GW has broken them off into their own army and with their own Battletome and they are often markedly distinct from the other vampire forces. I think in the end they will share some units, but won't be rolled into Soulblight. Especially since if GW get to releasing more FEC units they should be distinct from the other soulblights (though those wolf-footed ones would fit well in my view)
The Vampire centaurs look pretty cool, but really suffer from the lack of sensibility.
The thing is, the design and pose is more balanced and estethicaly pleasing than many other AoS "centerpieces". Also, no swirly magic-soul-aetheric mist flying around, and that is always great news!
The title of Lauka Vai save it -"mother of nightmares". Nightmares dont need to make sense, and there you have it -weird and frightening fiends from the castle of horror and madness. Sounds right to me.
The title of Lauka Vai save it -"mother of nightmares". Nightmares dont need to make sense, and there you have it -weird and frightening fiends from the castle of horror and madness. Sounds right to me.
The first time I saw her, I thought "oh she's riding a winged nightmare like in the old WHFB vampire count army book, that's why she has that title" and then I saw she was not riding anything.
Still, the fact it's a bit similar to old winged nightmares mounts makes me wonder if her title is an actual wink to that.
Was really looking forward to this release, but i've found it to be largely disappointing.
-Skeletons are a touch too armoured and a bit too generic for my liking . They've lost their VC "flavour".
-Wolves, while nice, just appear to be carbon copies of the Fenrisian wolves. Also look really out of place against the current dire wolves.
-Something about the blood knights is off too, although I can't quite place my finger on it. And again, enough has changed from the current knights that they'll look out of place along side them.
-Not at all impressed by Volga (What's with her feet?), Radukar (Just doesn't scream Vampire too me) or the Vamptaurs (Bizarre concept and horrible pose).
-Zombies and Fell Bats look interesting though, Would like to see more pics of them.
You mean naked skeletons with one or two skullcap helmets thrown into the bunch? Like, of all the skeleton plastic kits on the market, they're the least generic right now, compared to older VC kits that were...just skeletons. Though I guess the fact that you could glue different embossings on the shields was neat, wish they brought that back from the VC skellies.
I think I figured out what was bugging me about Lauka. Her frame is not compact enough, while her pose is too compact, likely because she needs to fit in the base area as much as possible.
How about cutting the beast at the waist and put the wings on her back? I think the two vertically aligned pairs of arms/wings do contribute significantly to the model looking weird.
I really like that her proportions are weird. I mean if the anatomy made sense it wouldn't be unnatural and horrifying. Which is what I imagine they were going for with it.
If anything of all the models shown it's the one I like the most.
-Skeletons are a touch too armoured and a bit too generic for my liking . They've lost their VC "flavour".
The armor, I get it. But saying they're a bit too generic ? When the previous kit was litteraly an undead skeleton showing their bones in the open ? That last one was the most generic of both kits, in comparison.
The style of armor of these new skeletons isn't that common on the market of undead skeletons as well.
-Wolves, while nice, just appear to be carbon copies of the Fenrisian wolves. Also look really out of place against the current dire wolves.
Fenrissian wolves are actually different :
See the head and shape of ears, it's not the same. They also don't have fur showing as much on the rest of their body.
They're different from previous dire wolves, indeed. And thank Sigmar they are. I won't regret these ugly abominations a single second :
Even their bones showing through their flesh made no sense, like they were glued on the body afterwards.
No wonder so many people used goblin wolf mounts instead at that time...
-Not at all impressed by Volga (What's with her feet?)
Vyrkos are bestial vampires and linked to wolves. Newborn vampires from Cursed City also have the same animal legs.
Snrub wrote: Was really looking forward to this release, but i've found it to be largely disappointing.
-Skeletons are a touch too armoured and a bit too generic for my liking . They've lost their VC "flavour".
-Wolves, while nice, just appear to be carbon copies of the Fenrisian wolves. Also look really out of place against the current dire wolves.
-Something about the blood knights is off too, although I can't quite place my finger on it. And again, enough has changed from the current knights that they'll look out of place along side them.
-Not at all impressed by Volga (What's with her feet?), Radukar (Just doesn't scream Vampire too me) or the Vamptaurs (Bizarre concept and horrible pose).
-Zombies and Fell Bats look interesting though, Would like to see more pics of them.
His Master's Voice wrote: I think I figured out what was bugging me about Lauka. Her frame is not compact enough, while her pose is too compact, likely because she needs to fit in the base area as much as possible.
Think I'll make her my next project.
Morathi is quite a bit bigger than these models, unless you've just used the wings for illustrative purposes. There are skulls on the base that suggest it's a 60mm circle.
I'd put money on the humanoid sections being the same size/scale as Sigvald, which might just mean his legs would be a reasonable if not expensive option for slapping one of their upper bodies on
His Master's Voice wrote: I think I figured out what was bugging me about Lauka. Her frame is not compact enough, while her pose is too compact, likely because she needs to fit in the base area as much as possible.
Think I'll make her my next project.
Morathi is quite a bit bigger than these models, unless you've just used the wings for illustrative purposes. There are skulls on the base that suggest it's a 60mm circle.
I'd put money on the humanoid sections being the same size/scale as Sigvald, which might just mean his legs would be a reasonable if not expensive option for slapping one of their upper bodies on
Well if you want your vampire to have a bare arse, then sure.
I'm actually okay with the monster vampires after looking at them a while. Not my favorite sculpts, but I am okay.
I think the main th ing I am disappointed in is there are really no vampire Infantry units. We got bloodknights, and a whole bunch of special characters/characters. I was really hoping for a few elite infantry options.
This is Vampire Counts- AOS version for sure, which is cool for some, but I was really hoping for something a bit different.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: How big is she? I couldn't tell from the video. She looks a bit bigger than the infantry models behind her in the video, but she also is closer to the camera so maybe not that much bigger?
Her base in in line with the zombies.
She's huge.
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Must have missed that image, was looking at the one in the video.
She's big, but not gigantic. If you could get a slightly bigger than normal horse she'd look beefy but not monstrous.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Morathi is quite a bit bigger than these models, unless you've just used the wings for illustrative purposes. There are skulls on the base that suggest it's a 60mm circle.
I'd put money on the humanoid sections being the same size/scale as Sigvald, which might just mean his legs would be a reasonable if not expensive option for slapping one of their upper bodies on
There's an image of Lauka next to human sized models posted on this page.
She's not Sigvald sized and that's not a 60mm base. I only hope it's an 80mm one, or Mortahi's wings might turn out to be too small for what I want to do.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Morathi is quite a bit bigger than these models, unless you've just used the wings for illustrative purposes. There are skulls on the base that suggest it's a 60mm circle.
I'd put money on the humanoid sections being the same size/scale as Sigvald, which might just mean his legs would be a reasonable if not expensive option for slapping one of their upper bodies on
There's an image of Lauka next to human sized models posted on this page.
She's not Sigvald sized and that's not a 60mm base. I only hope it's an 80mm one, or Mortahi's wings might turn out to be too small for what I want to do.
I think she’s closer to the Skeletons in that image than the zombies, for what it’s worth, and her base is higher than the zombies are. I don’t think she’s as big as you’re picturing. It’s hard to tell from photos like that.
-Skeletons are a touch too armoured and a bit too generic for my liking . They've lost their VC "flavour".
The armor, I get it. But saying they're a bit too generic ? When the previous kit was litteraly an undead skeleton showing their bones in the open ? That last one was the most generic of both kits, in comparison.
The style of armor of these new skeletons isn't that common on the market of undead skeletons as well.
-Wolves, while nice, just appear to be carbon copies of the Fenrisian wolves. Also look really out of place against the current dire wolves.
Fenrissian wolves are actually different :
See the head and shape of ears, it's not the same. They also don't have fur showing as much on the rest of their body.
They're different from previous dire wolves, indeed. And thank Sigmar they are. I won't regret these ugly abominations a single second :
Even their bones showing through their flesh made no sense, like they were glued on the body afterwards.
No wonder so many people used goblin wolf mounts instead at that time...
-Not at all impressed by Volga (What's with her feet?)
Vyrkos are bestial vampires and linked to wolves. Newborn vampires from Cursed City also have the same animal legs.
I will say the old dire wolves made great Chaos Hounds for my Nurgle Warriors Of Chaos army back in Fantasy days.
Togusa wrote: So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
You mean the Terrorgheist? Probably just a cross-Faction model now like the Zombie Dragon.
Isn't the little winged guys and the corpse cart also stuff from FEC?
Togusa wrote: So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?
You mean the Terrorgheist? Probably just a cross-Faction model now like the Zombie Dragon.
Isn't the little winged guys and the corpse cart also stuff from FEC?
The Corpse Cart is not shared it's Deadwalker Zombies. The Vargheists and Crypt Horrors have the same base model but with different heads and they have different rules for Soulblight and FEC.
Crypt flayers are an FEC unit with the wings from that kit, while Vargheists are a Soulblight unit with the same wings. Different heads as mentioned, but the main difference is the big back-mohawks vargheists have as compared to the rotty fleshy bits.
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
There’s also no reason for night haunt to have their own either then other than ‘because’. Could do the same with zombies and deathrattle, they just haven’t.
Vampires have always had the basic/ classic “bump in the night” things. Including a spectral unit (doesn’t have to be core) and hero is rudimentary.
Hell how about The Beast with 2 blood born on his base? No unit of those, kinda out of place.. but not more out of place than including basic vampire trope things
Nighthaunt are their own army and have their own Mortarch in Lady Olynder. Gone are the days of mixed Death armies outside of allied units. Soulblight Gravelords will have Vampires and Wight Kings in the leadership roles with skeletons, zombies, dire wolves and fell bats as the grunts.
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.
Vampires have always had the basic/ classic “bump in the night” things.
Vampires, at least in folklore and stories, have almost never been associated with ghosts. Just cause GW used to have them mixed in one big grab-bag of undeath doesn't mean it's somehow sacred. Ghosts have their own book now. I bet you will be able to ally some NH in if you want.
Undead began as one faction in WFB, then got split into sub factions - Tomb Kings and Vampires plus variations within them. AOS saw them reunited as one super faction then FEC split off then Legions of Nagash comprised the other Undead but Nighthaunts were split off......
The Grand Alliance of Death still does not have the living elements it has in the lore - but then Destruction does not have barbaric humans, elves etc
It is interesting (to me) intersting that they are expanding the vampires range to incoporate some of the bloodlines mentioned previously but was also hoping for a Cities of Sigmar option with some keywords changes for undead ruled cities of the living like Nulahmia
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.
It's a 'replacement' inasmuch that most of the units that are in the Legion of Nagash battletome (if not all of them) that are not in another battletome will be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee
By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..
With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.
It's a 'replacement' inasmuch that most of the units that are in the Legion of Nagash battletome (if not all of them) that are not in another battletome will be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to not consider this a replacement. I am curious how things work out mechanically. I'd really like it to be different from LoN, like the Gravesites, but I have a feeling it will be very similar.
I'm certainly not making the call yet, but the benchmark for me is simply if it has a majority of the units from the previous version. If yes I will totally call it a replacement, if no then I see it like calling Sylvaneth a replacement for Wood Elves.
Though if it has the same gravesites that would obviously supercede things.
I guess we'll have something working in a similar way...even if I don't like free summoned units.
Would rather like a more powerful mechanism of bringing killed miniatures back on key heroes like vampires and necromancers, but I'm not a GW designer.
Still scratching my head about how people couldn't believe new zombies and skeletons warscrolls wouldn't be in the Soulblight Gravelords book.
The Soulblight allegiance does currently exist and does not include them, so that is where people would be getting the idea. But IMO vampires would obviously be raising chaff to serve them so it makes more sense to have them in there.
Let's get the stuff in here from the fest thread. Damn though, these look fine. I feel this is how they wanted Stormcast originally, but somewhere along the line they got beefed up somewhat.
StygianBeach wrote: While I think the updated Sigmarine looks better than the OG, I dislike the whole betterer more magical armour idea in the fluff though.
I also liked the Champ of sigmar much more before I saw the artwork. I love the movement in the illustration. The model looks like far too calm imo.
Well remember each chamber has its advantage, them improving the Stormcasts overtime would make sense, But I am guessing these guys are much slower than their less armored buddies.
Supposedly Grungni has gotten in on improving the Stormcast, which would explain the gear upgrade.
I do have to say that new character is gorgeous I really like the armor design on her and the other new models previewed. And it is just so refreshing to have an armored female without fething boob plate. Wings are a bit plain but still waaaaay more practical than the light-beam ones which are nice for pictures and a nightmare for gameplay. I also think a more intricate paint job on those feathers will make them look much better.
It would have been nice of them to show the side that wasn't foreseeably in the starter box. I guess with the revision to the Sigmarine look at least there's some surprise there. It'll be good to see 360s of the spear boys and girls. They seem to look pretty cool. The mountain of armor, not so much.
Biggest thing about this is that maybe Destruction gets the same treatment in 3rd ed as Death got in 2nd ed and stops being the trash alliance.
Geifer wrote: It would have been nice of them to show the side that wasn't foreseeably in the starter box. I guess with the revision to the Sigmarine look at least there's some surprise there. It'll be good to see 360s of the spear boys and girls. They seem to look pretty cool. The mountain of armor, not so much.
Biggest thing about this is that maybe Destruction gets the same treatment in 3rd ed as Death got in 2nd ed and stops being the trash alliance.
Well after the Vampire release, and assuming that they release a new cross faction plastic vargheist; that will mean that Death is fully complete in terms of plastic support, modern plastics and no finecast. Sure Flesheaters and Ossiarchs are still on the "small" size in army diversity, but they are very functional forces in their own right. Indeed Death will be the first and only "complete" Grand Alliance in terms of being fully updated. So that leaves the table ripe and open for Destruction to get some Attention.
Chaos is honestly not that far behind. All four of the core Chaos Gods have had nice updates so far; Beasts are in not a bad spot, which leaves Skaven open for a big update to push them into modern plastics for more of their range.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yes its more Stormcast.
*shrug*
That said they are(so far) very cool looking new Stormcast and IMO a big improvement on the existing style.
Last Sigmarine release prior to Garrus Vakarian this year was 2018, 3 years with no models seems like decent gap?
As for the opponents, I wonder if it won't just be beasts of chaos, but like...done well this time?
lord_blackfang wrote: The teaser is suuuuper blatantly Fimir. To the point that the only way it isn't Fimir is if GW intentionally wanted to misdirect.
GW does that a lot Seraphon have had multiple models in the rumour engine that all turned out to be dead lizard skins on models - one was even on a space marine!
That said Fimir are way back into the Zoat era of wargaming. GW have shown that they are keen to bring stuff back from those times, but at the same time its such an old reference that it might be GW is going somewhere else entirely. There's been talk of those insectoid "silent ones" and such as well and it could be them instead; or marsh gobboes and spider scuttling gobbos and such.
Me neither. To me they were always just one random enemy from WHRP, it has to be the same weird obsession as with malal, the god of nostalgia after 80s.
I would be happy either way since Orcs and Goblins and Stormcast are my main factions.
Those 3 shield faces on the artwork banner do look so green skin.
Its safer for GW to release a flavour of goblins rather than an "extinct" faction in a starter. I wonder if they do an Indomitus thing and then break it down in smaller boxsets.
Well they did have some Forgeworld models for a time and even a hint that FW was going to expand them into a full army. Much like Chaos Dwarves and squats they are something that was that captured the imagination of some, but which have never arisen in a big way since the early days. They have stuck around long term and remained in the background.
Heck GW has been teasing people with Exodites for near on 30 years.
GW has a lot of these things that hang on and whcih have their own loyal and dedicated fanbase eager to see GW release them and to see what GW would do with them (and eager to see every rumour and hint as proof that they are coming).
lord_blackfang wrote: The teaser is suuuuper blatantly Fimir. To the point that the only way it isn't Fimir is if GW intentionally wanted to misdirect.
GW does that a lot Seraphon have had multiple models in the rumour engine that all turned out to be dead lizard skins on models - one was even on a space marine!
That said Fimir are way back into the Zoat era of wargaming. GW have shown that they are keen to bring stuff back from those times, but at the same time its such an old reference that it might be GW is going somewhere else entirely. There's been talk of those insectoid "silent ones" and such as well and it could be them instead; or marsh gobboes and spider scuttling gobbos and such.
I'm all for some spider goblins (preferably forest goblins and not scuttlings), but I think we'd know from the teaser. They'd have definitely added some creepy insect scurrying noises as a teaser. I do think we could be getting something Greenskin related. One of the new Slimcast appears to be standing over a traditional orc-y glyph
Are fimir really that outdated and old? Forgeworld brought them back, before canceling the line after only a unit and a champion. They were chaos followers and even popped up in Total War Warhammer. I'm not sure if they've been teased anywhere in AOS though; I figured the Fomoroid crusher was the reimagining of them, given his one eye and similar name.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd much prefer any of those things to Fimir, myself! I don't understand the grognards' fascination with them.
I'm not saying Fimir or bust, but truthfully even if I didn't remember Fimir from way back when I'd take an entirely different race over another variation of goblin without a second thought. I'd take killer squirrels over more goblins if it gave Grand Alliance Destruction a little more breadth.
I'm not a grognard and I dont remember the Fimir, so there's no nostalgia element for me rooting for them to come back.
It all boils down to the fact that they have GREAT design. They just have this wonderful presence of being baleful monsters full of ill intent even better then most of the chaos stuff does.
Honestly I think it's a huge pity they were damned by the twin sins of bad rules and bad-taste fluff.
Did they give more specifics when they think the 3.0 will be released? The only thing I remember from yesterday is the "coming months" and that can mean anything.
Its very difficult (with all the vampires and kragnos) but it would be nice if we have a preview of the full box next week or the next.
Preorder of the box 29th
And 29th other preview/celebration talking a little about the future of the edition, and other units that these 2 armies will have (maybe in one month or more)
something like that they did with 40k right?
I do not think it will happen, but it is the only explanation I can find for the sigmar coin, and that there are 2 more previews this month.
GW already has a campaign book and Vampires to get out of the door for AoS before 3.0 lands. I would estimate that as they typically look at a 3 month window for previews that 3.0 will come around late July/August period.
That might be a month or so later than originally planned, but is still well within the summer period.
I remember, FW on their stream once said that if anything goes out from their range, it might someday return in another form. So far this was true with Zone Mortalis and their paint range. So I don't see any reason why Fimir can't be another thing GW has taken under its wing.
CragHack wrote: I remember, FW on their stream once said that if anything goes out from their range, it might someday return in another form. So far this was true with Zone Mortalis and their paint range. So I don't see any reason why Fimir can't be another thing GW has taken under its wing.
A better example would be the renegade psyker that just got repurposed into a necromundan bounty hunter. FW stuff does return, albeit rarely. The rogue idol came back, for example. But still no chaos war mammoth
It's designed in the same ecosystem so some stuff comes back and some won't. Partly because what we get starts out likely in the same body of designs and inspirations at the back end.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Sooooooo any previews for the rules for 3.0 yet or all just speculation?
Well, the developer interview told us they're going to be the biggest and best Age of Sigmar rules ever, and we're all going to love them. So there's that!
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Sooooooo any previews for the rules for 3.0 yet or all just speculation?
Well, the developer interview told us they're going to be the biggest and best Age of Sigmar rules ever, and we're all going to love them. So there's that!
Tiberius501 wrote: I assume with 3.0 being announced, Vamps won’t release before that, right? Or will they release them before 3rd with a 2.5 book?
Interesting question. The amount of time we've been seeing vampire previews suggests before, which is odd. But between various delays and revised release schedules, I suspect there was a bigger planned gap between them.
At a guess, I suspect they were planned for late winter/early spring, then the broken realm books (with maybe some overlap), and then 3.0. As a result of everything, it all got squished, though its pretty clear the Broken Realms was a planned transition period, both release-wise and narratively.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Sooooooo any previews for the rules for 3.0 yet or all just speculation?
Well, the developer interview told us they're going to be the biggest and best Age of Sigmar rules ever, and we're all going to love them. So there's that!
AKA typical GW speak
Yep. Too bad GW isn't like other companies, who tell their customers that the newest release is really pretty bland and boring, or outright sucks.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Sooooooo any previews for the rules for 3.0 yet or all just speculation?
Well, the developer interview told us they're going to be the biggest and best Age of Sigmar rules ever, and we're all going to love them. So there's that!
AKA typical GW speak
When you go into a job interview, do you tell the interviewer that you're a huge piece of crap and that it'd be a terrible idea to hire you? Because if you don't you've got a stones, glass houses thing here.
zamerion wrote: funny that there is nothing related to radukar/cursed city..
We know this isn't all the releases. What's your point?
dream about expansions for cursed city hahaha
You mean the "speculation" that people started making up, claiming that stuff like the ratlord, wolf lady, and radukar unleashed were expansions for the game repackaged and rebundled within an extremely short amount of time?
We know that there's some stuff planned as Soulblight releases that explicitly called out Ulfenkarn early on. We saw Lady Annika, the Thirsting Blade and Kritz the Rat Prince back in March, before Cursed City went on sale.
Surprising, i thought they would have gotten Admech out the way first. But going to be getting some of those bats, they're going to be pulling triple duty.
zamerion wrote: funny that there is nothing related to radukar/cursed city..
We know this isn't all the releases. What's your point?
dream about expansions for cursed city hahaha
You mean the "speculation" that people started making up, claiming that stuff like the ratlord, wolf lady, and radukar unleashed were expansions for the game repackaged and rebundled within an extremely short amount of time?
We know that there's some stuff planned as Soulblight releases that explicitly called out Ulfenkarn early on. We saw Lady Annika, the Thirsting Blade and Kritz the Rat Prince back in March, before Cursed City went on sale.
I mean that I I find curious that none of the ulfenkarn miniatures come out this week. And it would be nice if they had been cursed city expansions. Nothing more.
I already knew the miniatures and the articles. Thanks for your great contribution.
It's a big release. There was no way they would drop the whole range at once, not when they can drag it out and screw AdMech over more.
I mean what do we know about that's missing right now? Wight King on Nightmare Steed, the new Dire Wolves, the named characters I linked, Radukar the Beast, the First of the Vrykos, and I feel like I'm missing something else.
As it stands, this is coming as a huge surprise and is making me think the AdMech printed stuff was on that stupid boat.
Thargrim wrote: Skeletons are just abysmal and uninteresting, couldn't imagine having to paint 20-40+ of those things.
Each to their own I guess. They look boss to me, and more heavily armoured to their original design, so will probably be slightly tough than zombies who will be super spammable.
Kanluwen wrote: It's a big release. There was no way they would drop the whole range at once, not when they can drag it out and screw AdMech over more.
The AdMech release is a codex and a single miniature. I could see them splitting up the Soulblight release and dropping the AdMech somewhere in the middle (they did that with Necrons IIRC).
Kanluwen wrote: It's a big release. There was no way they would drop the whole range at once, not when they can drag it out and screw AdMech over more.
The AdMech release is a codex and a single miniature. I could see them splitting up the Soulblight release and dropping the AdMech somewhere in the middle (they did that with Necrons IIRC).
Particularly if there’s boxed games stuff to release, a few could go at the same time.
Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Soulblight part two came the same week (next one?) as the Ad Mech book and model..
On the Skellies? Most important thing is that whilst they’ve presumably replaced the existing kit, they’ve not rendered existing Skellie units defunct.
Sure, these are more heavily armoured, but the weapon options and sizes look to remain the same.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and for sake of future reference? Whilst Sold Out, the existing Skellingtons are £20 for 10.
No conclusion to be come to at the moment of course, but figured it’d be useful!
I like that skeletons are better armored than the majority of freeguild soldiers. Though, given that the skeletons are all dead, I guess more armor didn't do them much good.
Also, the bat centaurs weren't naturally occurring. At least, not at first. The named character was transformed by a tzeentchian spell
I dunno. Yeah, its just a 10 man sprue twice. But the alternate builds are unique enough that it's harder to tell. The big give away are the roots, but even these can be clipped off to make the 20 zombies look even more unique.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yes its more Stormcast.
*shrug*
That said they are(so far) very cool looking new Stormcast and IMO a big improvement on the existing style.
Last Sigmarine release prior to Garrus Vakarian this year was 2018, 3 years with no models seems like decent gap?
As for the opponents, I wonder if it won't just be beasts of chaos, but like...done well this time?
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yes its more Stormcast.
*shrug*
That said they are(so far) very cool looking new Stormcast and IMO a big improvement on the existing style.
Last Sigmarine release prior to Garrus Vakarian this year was 2018, 3 years with no models seems like decent gap?
As for the opponents, I wonder if it won't just be beasts of chaos, but like...done well this time?
Its been that long? I guess that's the Mortal realms magazine effect It will be interesting to see how big the release is. Relatively limited like the Vanguard, or extensive like the Sacrosanct? Either way there is a lot of potential for stepping on the toes of existing units just due to the size of the existing range. But given how much better the new armour looks(so far) I wouldn't begrudge GW to much if they spent the next few years slowly rereleasing units in the new style.
So after a visit to the web store I noticed that both the warhammer bat swarms and Legion black coach are gone entirely. Not even sold out, completely gone. I am sure the community will have great sorrow in their loss.
The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
Some sites do have them. Gogogogogogo!
Sadly people tempted me into this "3D printer" world because it was apparently a cheaper drug than plastic
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
Some sites do have them. Gogogogogogo!
Sadly people tempted me into this "3D printer" world because it was apparently a cheaper drug than plastic
can confirm - its just as expensive
It's only expensive to start. Then it starts rapidly making up for the cost
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
Some sites do have them. Gogogogogogo!
Sadly people tempted me into this "3D printer" world because it was apparently a cheaper drug than plastic
can confirm - its just as expensive
It's only expensive to start. Then it starts rapidly making up for the cost
Are you implying there comes a point where someone owns enough dragon STLs that one doesn't need to own more?
Disagree, they'll look great as a shambling horde.
Yeah, they're pretty good. Boxes of 20 are a nice surprise and the zombies, at least, have customization option. While there are shared bodies, heads and accessories are swapped- for a couple I'm having a hard time findign the double (pitch-fork guy in particular, and the shovel and cleaver girls don't look all that similar despite sharing the same base body)
Not as sure of the skeletons, but the zombies definitely more options than the new orks got.
Between these kits, the wight lord, and the dire wolves, the vampires feel like the downside of this release.
Tiberius501 wrote: I assume with 3.0 being announced, Vamps won’t release before that, right? Or will they release them before 3rd with a 2.5 book?
I’m really intrigued by them! And there would be something very cool about knightly Stormcast fight vampires and skellies and zombies.
They have done stuff like that before, in both AoS and 40k and Soulblight was announced a whilecago and 3rd ed only yesterday so I assume they will be before the new edition.
Tiberius501 wrote: I assume with 3.0 being announced, Vamps won’t release before that, right? Or will they release them before 3rd with a 2.5 book?
I’m really intrigued by them! And there would be something very cool about knightly Stormcast fight vampires and skellies and zombies.
They have done stuff like that before, in both AoS and 40k and Soulblight was announced a whilecago and 3rd ed only yesterday so I assume they will be before the new edition.
No need to assume anymore.
We know they are coming right around the corner.
Soublight, Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine will all be 3.0 battletomes. Of course with the way GW does things it would not surprise me if by the mid to end point of 3.0 there are changes in the new tombs that come out then.
I mean I can't imagine that GW would update and release those 3 tomes only months before a new edition and not make them compatible.
AT this stage 3.0 is likely a refinement of what made 2.0 rather than a full ground up reworking like we got with 1.0 to 2.0
From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:
QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?
WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you
That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah, the vampires for the main release are pretty eh. But we got super lucky with the Underworlds team.
Except they're wildly out of scale. Which is shame. They were good models, but they shouldn't be standing as tall as a cavalry model.
Ghaz wrote:From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:
QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?
WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you
That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.
Well.... sometimes. Mostly that 'both editions in mind' line is just blather.
Aside from the new units and fluff, did the Lumenith battletome even change from its first incarnation?
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
PM me, I can help you if you want one of these boxes.
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
PM me, I can help you if you want one of these boxes.
It's a kind offer, but I'm really not in the market for it right now I'm sad not to have got one, but in the end I won't be missing out as the mortarch kit is the only one I "need" and they aren't going anywhere any time soon. Asides after the 3D printer, this year is all about Slaanesh (as much as I can focus on it) with my budget. So instead of boxes of skeletons I need to be thinking keepers and seeker riders and all that
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.
Overread wrote: Soublight, Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine will all be 3.0 battletomes. Of course with the way GW does things it would not surprise me if by the mid to end point of 3.0 there are changes in the new tombs that come out then.
I mean I can't imagine that GW would update and release those 3 tomes only months before a new edition and not make them compatible.
AT this stage 3.0 is likely a refinement of what made 2.0 rather than a full ground up reworking like we got with 1.0 to 2.0
Legions of Nagash and Maggotkin were aos1 books which were written for aos 2, had summoning abilities for example which only made sense in the edition change.
I forsee the last few books of aos 2 to be written for 3.
Overread wrote: The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.
PM me, I can help you if you want one of these boxes.
It's a kind offer, but I'm really not in the market for it right now I'm sad not to have got one, but in the end I won't be missing out as the mortarch kit is the only one I "need" and they aren't going anywhere any time soon. Asides after the 3D printer, this year is all about Slaanesh (as much as I can focus on it) with my budget. So instead of boxes of skeletons I need to be thinking keepers and seeker riders and all that
Not to worry, if you change your mind let me know. My local store has had one of those boxes on shelf for the last two years!
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.
Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.
Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.
Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.
All companies making models for armies (and not for, like, skirmish games or pen and paper RPG) know that and make kits that will repeat the miniatures eventually. 3d sculptors selling on sites like Patreon know that very well too. Check the excellent Fireforge fantasy zombie kit. It has its limits too.
Ghaz wrote: From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:
QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?
WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you
That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.
I want to note here and give GW credit where it is due; the last time they said this for AoS (with the 'tomes written at the end of first edition) it was very much true and they translated quite well into the new edition, notably more so than older ones.
Yeah, I don't think the next edition is changing like 40k V7 to V8. Giving more advantages to the second player in Double Turn has few to do with most battletomes rules and warscrolls (guess they can make rules more synergic on that aspect with some artifacts or command traits, but I don't expect that to be that common). And the "core battalions" they're talking about may be simply a generic way to build your army like for Battle when they had a specific pourcentage of points to spend in some categories to make it "legal".
Points are always subject to change with annual General Handbook, anyway. If the warscrolls and army rules are made with next edition in mind, this statement can easily be true.
At least they had the decency not to sell us a General Handbook 2021 before next edition. That would be the true scandal. Now that they made the announcement, chances of it happening are pretty much close to zero.
Actually, what will be causing trouble here it is their "AoS Crusade game mode". It's clear the 3rd edition battletomes will have army rules for this new mode like for 40k V9, and that means we won't have them for Soulblight Gravelords immediately (unless they really launch new battletomes at a fast pace like they initially wanted for 40k V9, who knows ?). But only the narrative players will grumble about this - the tournament guys won't care at all.
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah, the vampires for the main release are pretty eh. But we got super lucky with the Underworlds team.
Except they're wildly out of scale. Which is shame. They were good models, but they shouldn't be standing as tall as a cavalry model.
Ghaz wrote:From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:
QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?
WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you
That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.
Well.... sometimes. Mostly that 'both editions in mind' line is just blather.
Aside from the new units and fluff, did the Lumenith battletome even change from its first incarnation?
No, If anything I would expect a nerf at some point to the Lofted Arrows for Sentinels. And then maybe dealing with teclis's death star
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.
Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.
Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.
Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.
All companies making models for armies (and not for, like, skirmish games or pen and paper RPG) know that and make kits that will repeat the miniatures eventually. 3d sculptors selling on sites like Patreon know that very well too. Check the excellent Fireforge fantasy zombie kit. It has its limits too.
To be honest, I think the new zombies look pretty good in horde terms. There seems to be a bit of interchangeability, and given they're zombies it's gonna be pretty easy to make unique ones by hacking a limb off here and there and attaching them somewhere else. They're zombies, it's not like you have to do it neatly and resculpt it carefully, just hack something off, glue something else on and paint it like it's a wound.
The main thing I don't like about them are the branches (roots?) that seem to be way over done, and the ones carrying crap on their backs, hopefully they can be built without that crap on them.
The main thing I don't like about them are the branches (roots?) that seem to be way over done, and the ones carrying crap on their backs, hopefully they can be built without that crap on them.
I wouldn't hold my breath too much on that point, but we will know the answer next saturday. GW always shows the sprue on their webstore, so it should be easy to see what will be able to do with these roots / additionnal package before pre-ordering.
Here are the prices for the new Soulblight courtesy of tga. Overall not too bad by gw standards. The skeletons are actually slightly cheaper than before.
That's actually quite reasonable. It makes skeletons cheaper than per model than they were before, the Zombies are going up in price but the old Zombie kit was ancient. The Fellbats are about the same price, but again much nicer models. Blood Knights are getting cheaper but they were insanely priced previously.
Overread wrote: Soublight, Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine will all be 3.0 battletomes. Of course with the way GW does things it would not surprise me if by the mid to end point of 3.0 there are changes in the new tombs that come out then.
I mean I can't imagine that GW would update and release those 3 tomes only months before a new edition and not make them compatible.
AT this stage 3.0 is likely a refinement of what made 2.0 rather than a full ground up reworking like we got with 1.0 to 2.0
Legions of Nagash and Maggotkin were aos1 books which were written for aos 2, had summoning abilities for example which only made sense in the edition change.
I forsee the last few books of aos 2 to be written for 3.
Then again gw's written x in mind doesn't mean what you or i think neccessary. Sisters of battle supposedly was written 9e in mind but had rules that flat out got invalidated or made no sense with 9e, then are early ones to get 9e book.
Gw just releases stuff without worrying about future. Maybe soulblights gets next book in 2025, early 2022 also possibility...
I don’t think Lauka Vai is as big as some people think, but still fairly reasonable all round. I might actually pick her up and make myself paint her, because the models really grown on me.
lord_blackfang wrote: The Fell Bats are a bit iffy, almost twice the cost of the functionally comparable Spirit Hosts. Overall looks like a below average cost army.
Fell bats were never a replacement for Spirit Hosts.
Good thing overal to have those prices, with GW standards of course. As for the cost of building a whole new army of them...actually depends of the point costs of the units. I still expect it to be quite expensive, if it's anything like the old LoN.
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.
Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.
Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.
Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.
I have no idea what you mean here. I paint everything until it's done. Nothing gets more care or more (or fewer) 'compromises' Not sure how that would work.
I have no idea what you mean here. I paint everything until it's done. Nothing gets more care or more (or fewer) 'compromises' Not sure how that would work.
That's good for you. It's just not the case for everyone. Not everyone has infinite free time, after all. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that if you didn't the first time.
And yeah, of course you can still take cheaper cavalry boxes to "convert" their miniatures into Blood Knights as a lot of players did at the time of Battle. Even use spirit hosts as fell bats or whatever you want.
I have no idea what you mean here. I paint everything until it's done. Nothing gets more care or more (or fewer) 'compromises' Not sure how that would work.
That's good for you. It's just not the case for everyone. Not everyone has infinite free time, after all. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that if you didn't the first time.
And yeah, of course you can still take cheaper cavalry boxes to "convert" their miniatures into Blood Knights as a lot of players did at the time of Battle. Even use spirit hosts as fell bats or whatever you want.
Ah, well. Glad you took the time to specifically object, but then make a show of not explaining why you object.
godswildcard wrote: I’m wondering what units will end up as battleline. This is a very interesting release for me!
I'm betting Skeletons and Zombies, and probably Direwolves with the Direwolf lady
From the Day One preview article :
Dire Wolves
Dire Wolves are a Battleline unit for any Soulblight Gravelords army, fighting not only for the Vyrkos and their vampiric kin, but all manner of undead forces.
On the tabletop, the variety of Vyrkos Heroes, including Radukar the Beast and Belladamma Volga, all count as generals if taken in a Vyrkos army. That makes them a great option for players who like strong support from leaders and Wizards.
If you like armies full of massive fiends, like the incredible Lauka Vai we recently revealed during Warhammer Fest, you can’t go wrong with the Avengorii. They’re even able to take Terrorgheists and Zombie Dragons as battleline units… feel free to imagine the look on your opponent’s face.
The lord of the Crimson Keep is Prince Vhordrai, the Fist of Nagash. This mighty vampire leads his knights to war from the front, or more accurately from above on his zombie dragon. The well-drilled Kastelai cavalry values feats of skill and strength in combat, and they become even stronger as the blood begins to flow.
When they do sally forth from their stronghold in Nulahmia, the Deathrattle legions march in lockstep, in a menacing display of Neferata’s ironclad will. Add the fact that the Legion of Blood can take Black Knights as battleline units, and you have a reliable core of skeletal warriors around which to build your army.
If you want to showcase the dark majesty of Death, the Legion of Blood are peerless exemplars.
No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.
Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh
They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.
Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.
There;s going to be 20+, probably 30 of 40 of them. You will not spend time gawking and oohing and aahing at the zombies, you will look at the centerpiece models. They're visual background of the game, even if you care a lot.
A bit of interesting fluff on the Vyrkos Dynasty (e.g., Belladamma and Radukar):
This unusual dynasty has developed a distinct culture. The legends say their Soulblight curse cannot be traced back to Nagash, but rather to a godbeast – which would explain the strange nature of their affliction.
Ah, well. Glad you took the time to specifically object, but then make a show of not explaining why you object.
I did explain, you just didn't care.
And if you really want to make a unit of 60 zombies each painted masterfully with a very unique pose, sure it will look awesome. But like Cronch said :
There;s going to be 20+, probably 30 of 40 of them. You will not spend time gawking and oohing and aahing at the zombies, you will look at the centerpiece models. They're visual background of the game, even if you care a lot.
So yeah, the zombies may be not the ones you should really be focusing as making masterpieces, from a general point of view.
You do however you like, obviously, Voss. But complaining because GW makes a kit of zombies with some repeated miniatures as a general case ? Sounds like more a problem you specifically have because you want GW to adapt to your own priorities without caring what it means for everyone else.
Yep, units with unique poses for every miniature would have cost much more to the customers, and we wouldn't have a unit at that price for 20 zombies. You know it.
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Ghaz wrote: A bit of interesting fluff on the Vyrkos Dynasty (e.g., Belladamma and Radukar):
This unusual dynasty has developed a distinct culture. The legends say their Soulblight curse cannot be traced back to Nagash, but rather to a godbeast – which would explain the strange nature of their affliction.
It's good to have more Death factions without mandatory Nagash, indeed.
New Zombies can be built in (at least) 20 configurations straight from the box. If this is not enough, what is?
20 unique models is certainly better than old kit where every fifth model had the same pair of legs or torso. It looks like most models are 2-3 pieces each so they should be quite fast to build too.
The prices are surprisingly reasonable. These are definitely joining my grey legions.
jullevi wrote: New Zombies can be built in (at least) 20 configurations straight from the box. If this is not enough, what is?
20 unique models is certainly better than old kit where every fifth model had the same pair of legs or torso. It looks like most models are 2-3 pieces each so they should be quite fast to build too.
The prices are surprisingly reasonable. These are definitely joining my grey legions.
The Age of Sigmar website has a timer counting down to Saturday the 29th of May. Perhaps the pre-order date for 3rd edition.
More like big preview of box set etc.
No reason to think gw woucd deviate from pattere and release new edition months sooner and with less hype in normal times let alone when they are months behind schedule.
They are doing a Launch Box for the new edition.
No guarantee this time there will be a MTO after it’s all out.
Recommendation to grab ASAP just in case..
tneva82 wrote: Gw used to be able to do kits that had lot more than 20 poses though.
Then they decided "screw customers"
Those are all kits that consumers are complaining about because they are old and decrepit. Because when you aim for multiple poses you will have to do things very basic and action-man-y like the current Ork kit or the standard old Space marine kits with the hover hands and so on. Even then you had static leg poses and the torso got to be super spinny and weird sometimes.I mean, it was spinning torso, weird ass shoulder joints, and head. That was about it for posability and maybe some spinning wrist action.
You can either get beautiful and well crafted models or you can get all the poses you could wish for with stick man models. I don't think GW ever decided to "screw customers" but more just wanted to make better looking models. I'll admit I am biased though as I really do like the artistic quality of many of the recent models in recent years.
The Age of Sigmar website has a timer counting down to Saturday the 29th of May. Perhaps the pre-order date for 3rd edition.
More like big preview of box set etc.
No reason to think gw woucd deviate from pattere and release new edition months sooner and with less hype in normal times let alone when they are months behind schedule.
GW did say that there are 2 previews left in this month and we are already 1/3rd of the way through it. The countdown kinda indicates the big AoS preview will happen at the end of the month.
Or you can at least make minimum effort and make so you can slap any arms and heads on any model in any combination, which would be quite trivial when making skeletons who have absolutely no flesh which could make it look awkward
Theophony wrote: It'll be a new spawning of Lizardmen ushering in the great push against Chaos, hopefully with all new sculpts to fight alongside Kroak.
tneva82 wrote: Gw used to be able to do kits that had lot more than 20 poses though.
Then they decided "screw customers"
Those are all kits that consumers are complaining about because they are old and decrepit. Because when you aim for multiple poses you will have to do things very basic and action-man-y like the current Ork kit or the standard old Space marine kits with the hover hands and so on. Even then you had static leg poses and the torso got to be super spinny and weird sometimes.I mean, it was spinning torso, weird ass shoulder joints, and head. That was about it for posability and maybe some spinning wrist action.
Yeah. The 'multi-pose' generally boiled down to 2-3 poses that actually looked decent, and were worse looking than they could have been because they needed to accommodate the two dozen other pose options that looked awful.
No way the countdown is for pre-ordering the new edition.
Kragnos, remember?
I just remembered that Neferata and Manny existed: SC! Skellies is gone now. I wonder if they will re-launch it a Soulblight, replacing the Black for Blood Knights.
I didn't had the chance to buy neither the Battleforce nor the mentioned SC! back then...
I get the feeling AoS 3.0 is closer than many think. My FLGS just got asked to start hyping 3.0 so I get the feeling we might see a release in late June or first weekend of July.
So the countdown is probably for the full box reveal and then a month of hype and it comes out.
Eldarsif wrote: I get the feeling AoS 3.0 is closer than many think. My FLGS just got asked to start hyping 3.0 so I get the feeling we might see a release in late June or first weekend of July.
So the countdown is probably for the full box reveal and then a month of hype and it comes out.
That's my thoughts too. A full boxset reveal would be cool. Hopefully they'll sprinkle in some model reviews/teasers in the days leading up to it. Though that usually just gets people mad when they reveal something we've already seen
I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
jullevi wrote: New Zombies can be built in (at least) 20 configurations straight from the box. If this is not enough, what is?
20 unique models is certainly better than old kit where every fifth model had the same pair of legs or torso. It looks like most models are 2-3 pieces each so they should be quite fast to build too.
The prices are surprisingly reasonable. These are definitely joining my grey legions.
They look like 10 bodies with 2 configurations to me. If you buy more than one box they will all be clones. If that counts as unique then the old ones number in the thousands, because any part can be attached to any other, and you can angle them however you want to further break up the silhouette.
There's got to be a happy medium between Poxwalkers and Empire Militia (like ghouls), but personally I would take the Empire Militia every time over Poxwalkers.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Nighthaunt players are still waiting for a Guardian of Souls and a mounted Knight of Shrouds outside of the Soul Wars box. At this point, I'm afraid we'll see the Guardian of Souls/Lord Executioner/Knight of Shrouds sprue on sale for $90 US in the near future...
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Yeah, but... that hasn't exactly gone well for the Indomitus models, has it? If you want the stuff that didn't make it into the starter boxes, you're paying through the nose. To the tune of something like $500 total for a $199 box (including rulebook, which you don't get). And that's if you're doing the sane thing and buying the starter boxes rather than buying a single unit box that are ~half the cost of the elite starter for 1 out of the 4 units that are in it and none of the characters.
Pretty sure the content of the box "Indomitus Style" won't be just about the book with a special cover. It will also have more miniatures than the "real" starter boxes coming out later, certainly for a better "bundle price". And maybe a few exclusive miniatures too.
Reveal first, then a longer period of pre-order - but it will be sold out in mere minutes the day it will actually launch, obviously.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Maybe the zombie critics can post examples of other zombie kits that do the job better?
Here is my own unit made from the Fireforge zombie soldier kit and Fireforge undead peasant kit (two sprues of 6 different bodies with different arms / heads)
There is indeed a limit to the variation. And it was 12 different bodies in the end.
Mr Morden wrote: Interested to see how the lore has been adjusted - looks like some vampire bloodlines are now direct from nagash rather than via Neferata.
I can sort of see the idea of Beastial vampires being affected by Ghur.
Nefferata has always been from Nagash by proxy. She wouldn't have become a vampire if she didn't bastardize his elixir of life aka liche potion.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Nighthaunt players are still waiting for a Guardian of Souls and a mounted Knight of Shrouds outside of the Soul Wars box. At this point, I'm afraid we'll see the Guardian of Souls/Lord Executioner/Knight of Shrouds sprue on sale for $90 US in the near future...
Yes but the Soul Wars set is still on sale and I would expect once it goes off sale either another starter set setup or a new set will come out with those models inside it.
And yep its a pain GW does put exclusive things into getting started sets, but they are still on the market in some form.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Yeah, but... that hasn't exactly gone well for the Indomitus models, has it? If you want the stuff that didn't make it into the starter boxes, you're paying through the nose. To the tune of something like $500 total for a $199 box (including rulebook, which you don't get). And that's if you're doing the sane thing and buying the starter boxes rather than buying a single unit box that are ~half the cost of the elite starter for 1 out of the 4 units that are in it and none of the characters.
Yes and that's the same if you miss out a christmas bundle box or a duel army pack or any other limited volume discount box.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Nighthaunt players are still waiting for a Guardian of Souls and a mounted Knight of Shrouds outside of the Soul Wars box. At this point, I'm afraid we'll see the Guardian of Souls/Lord Executioner/Knight of Shrouds sprue on sale for $90 US in the near future...
Yes but the Soul Wars set is still on sale and I would expect once it goes off sale either another starter set setup or a new set will come out with those models inside it.
And yep its a pain GW does put exclusive things into getting started sets, but they are still on the market in some form.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
No need to wait and see.
Their article says the new edition has a Launch Box.
That’s exactly how Indomitus was marketed we just didn’t know exactly what that meant as much at the time.
Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Yeah, but... that hasn't exactly gone well for the Indomitus models, has it? If you want the stuff that didn't make it into the starter boxes, you're paying through the nose. To the tune of something like $500 total for a $199 box (including rulebook, which you don't get). And that's if you're doing the sane thing and buying the starter boxes rather than buying a single unit box that are ~half the cost of the elite starter for 1 out of the 4 units that are in it and none of the characters.
Yes and that's the same if you miss out a christmas bundle box or a duel army pack or any other limited volume discount box.
That... isn't the same at all. A christmas bundle box is always existing kits that you can currently buy. They don't vanish and pieces get put up for sale months later at a single sprue for... $140, nearly _three quarters_ of the price of the entire box.
Whatever bizarre equivalence you're trying to draw, that's just flatly incorrect.
To note: the current AoS starter kits are still available.
I am aware that this might as well mean nothing at all: I remember that, when the Chaos Warriors (Slaves to Darkness, aka StD) Battleforce was on the international store, it stood there the entire year until the next wave of Battleforces arrived, and then they just deleted it from the catalogue.
While I do see AoS 3.0 coming soon, therefore not having GHB this year, I wonder how much will they left BR: Kragnos in shelves.
I also wonder if they will make a version with scenery, like in 40K.
My final question would be if they will take their time in releasing the new SC! for Sacrosanct SCE and Nighthaunt. I'd really like they release them with their full contents, but
Are the sprues from Soul Wars easily divided by faction? Because if they are, the chances of them becoming new Start Collecting boxes eventually is high.
TheWaspinator wrote: Are the sprues from Soul Wars easily divided by faction? Because if they are, the chances of them becoming new Start Collecting boxes eventually is high.
Literally they are divided by faction. You can look at them here, and I am quite sure that all the modern Starter Kits from the last decade have been like that.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Maybe the zombie critics can post examples of other zombie kits that do the job better?
Here is my own unit made from the Fireforge zombie soldier kit and Fireforge undead peasant kit (two sprues of 6 different bodies with different arms / heads)
Very nice! I was looking for an idea of what people wanted, seeing that I can understand how the GW ones don't offer the same thing.
Eldarsif wrote: I get the feeling AoS 3.0 is closer than many think. My FLGS just got asked to start hyping 3.0 so I get the feeling we might see a release in late June or first weekend of July.
So the countdown is probably for the full box reveal and then a month of hype and it comes out.
FLGS doesn't know more than you or me. They learn of new preorders when you and I do. Sunday previews.
Full box preview+june hyping is actually what's to be expected. Less hyping than that(say 29.5 is the preorder date) would be the surprise. Especially as there's supposedly 2 more previews this month and doesn't look this week there's any.
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Sarouan wrote: I too think the counter is about the reveal of this new box.
To kick off our introduction to the new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, a box packed with brand new miniatures and a special edition of the rule book will be coming. Suffice to say the stunning new Stormcast Eternals we saw on Saturday are making an appearance, but who will they be fighting against?
I winced at these words. It sounds like "as long as stock is available, then forever gone", Indomitus style.
But well...wait and see.
Yes. That's what the big box is going to be. Smaller start sets permanent range is then later. No surprises there.
The only thing you'd miss out on is the cover for the rule book and whatever discount it offers
Otherwise everything else in the set will be coming out on individual sale, even if a few weeks/months later for some things.
Of course discount can be quite hefty. you pay 85e for skorpek lord, canoptek stalker, cryptek and 2 buddies. Indominatus with that and lot more was like 160e? So over half the price for tiny part of the box
So you are certainly encouraged to buy if you even THINK you might have one of the 2 armies in future...
Options at least. I have 170 or so and I suspect there's not single duplicate. Except maybe by accident.
Then take ogor gluttons. If it was designed now you would get 6 with only options being weapon combo. So 2 box and you would have all options. I have 24 of them and not even CLOSE to having duplicate models. And that's bad box in itself yet is better than current ones.
Stone trolls? I have 12. All unique. Now it would be 3 models and that's it. 12 I would have 4 times same 3 models.
All of those with zero cutting or sculpting ability needed. Having to be sculptor to modify looks is big step backwards.
