How do we know it's legit and not somebody's custom work?

 Mymearan wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Interesting to see it painted up as a Night Lord.

Well he is summoning a demon!

Right and the NL's were all that big on that stuff, right?

I would have expected this in Thousand Sons colors. I think that would look awesome.

Gorgeous model either way. Maybe I will be able to find one on eBay someday.


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 Yaraton wrote:
How do we know it's legit and not somebody's custom work?

Because it is here.

 Yaraton wrote:
How do we know it's legit and not somebody's custom work?

It's from the FW Bulletin.

If you were at Warhammer fest you may have picked up the latest event exclusive Forge World model. With the Forge World Open day coming up, the Forge World studio team decided that one exclusive model isn’t enough, so there’s another one coming! Check it out…

A Space Marine Librarian summoning a daemon? Sounds heretical to me, but it’s a fantastic looking model. Here’s a look at it unpainted, and you can see that there is plenty of fantastic detail in this model.

You’ll be able to get one first at the Forge World Open Day, and then at every event we attend this year. If you have a ticket for the Forge World Open Day, you have until Monday 11th July to place an order for collection at the event with free shipping. Just make sure you’ve selected the UK as your shipping destination and choose the Forge World Open Day from the list of events.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=9746930

It looks better unpainted.

HH rules FAQ has been updated:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf

Only change I noticed is the addition of the Arioch Claw rules. Is there anything I missed, or is this it? Missed a perfect opportunity to clear up Book 6 with stuff like BA Moritats and the Ironwing RoW that I've seen people debate about

*sigh* Oh well, looks like those of us hoping for a return to FW using their event-only models to do something interesting should probably just give up, afterall what's a chance to showcase niche or non-battlefield parts of the setting compared to the opportunity to buy yet another Big Shouty Space Manz?

And before anyone starts - it's a perfectly serviceable Big Shouty Space Manz, but it's just another Terminator character, the event models used to be genuinely special.

 Yaraton wrote:
It looks better unpainted.

Yeah but that's often the case with Forge World for a couple of reasons. In my opinion, the conventional, by-the-book Studio way of painting miniatures, with highlights and bright colours, doesn't suit FW at all. Having said that, I don't agree with you in this particular case.

Maybe it's HH fatigue and the fact that I seem to be one of the few who doesn't like Cataphract armour, but this does nothing for me. Neither have the last few special HH terminator models.

I don't really like it much either, not for eye-roll-and-sigh type reasons but just objectively - it's an awkward pose, weird constipated facial expression, odd arrangement of adornments on the armour... not much to like on the whole.

Besides, I don't recall reading descriptions of sorcerers summoning daemons directly out of their powerfists, is that a thing?

 Bull0 wrote:
it's an awkward pose, weird constipated facial expression, odd arrangement of adornments on the armour... not much to like on the whole.

You've just described how I feel about 90%* of marine models that come with a stock pose. The sculptors really do need to occasionally get up and try out what they're sculpting just to see if it's anything even approaching practical/realistic.







*Perhaps a slight exagerration, but certainly seems that way recently.

I dunno i feel like i would probably have the same facial expression as a daemon pops out of my hand :/

 Mymearan wrote:
Wow! Another event exclusive

[MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express yourself - Alpharius] I (someone who went to college as an English major) lack any other descriptive terms that sufficiently describe the way it makes me feel

Sorry mods.

Between this guy, the last one and the guy only coming out in UK stores. I'm super sad I will never have a chance to buy any of these minis unless I go threw recasters.

The Model Contradicts the Rules/Fluff

Its painted as Night Lords, but only Word Bearers would summon daemons...
(Plus only word bearers can summon daemons in the rules)

Maybe it's dark and he wants some light? So he summons this flame thing to light the way.

Wait

is it really nightlords?

the only part the lightning shows is one arm which is a lightning claw and the belt which i have no clue why its on the belt.

he also has a bunch of runes on his armor as well.

did word bearer libs paint there armor blue?

commander dante wrote:
The Model Contradicts the Rules/Fluff

Its painted as Night Lords, but only Word Bearers would summon daemons...
(Plus only word bearers can summon daemons in the rules)

Early on in the Heresy maybe. Midway through we already have possessed Sons of Horus (the Lupercii), Emperors Children summoning Daemons, Mortarion summoning daemon Grulgor back (And he hates that kind of thing), Fulgrim and Angron are already Daemon Primarchs...

Plus it's the Night Lords, they do what they want. He might come with rules that let him summon daemons or we might get a new traitor consul that can summon daemons or it might just be for flavour.


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 Desubot wrote:
Wait

is it really nightlords?

the only part the lightning shows is one arm which is a lightning claw and the belt which i have no clue why its on the belt.

he also has a bunch of runes on his armor as well.

did word bearer libs paint there armor blue?

Night Lords have runes too, and no Word Bearer librarians weren't blue. Blue Librarians is from the Codex Astartes I believe. The trim on the armour is also pretty NL, similar to Sevetars armour.

Well there goes my sorta justifications. i still dont think its a night lord unless im miss remembering things as i though nightlords had lightning all over the place. as well the lightning on the model follows the way the daemon is being summoned. like they painted on the energy flow on the model instead of it being a decoration.

There's no set pattern to where they had lightning, in Massacre some have it all over and some have none/hardly any.

Nothing on the model makes it specificity night lords except that they painted him as one. I also woudn't be surprised if when you get the model you get rules to field him and summon deamons in any traitor army. FW has been making a point that any event model should be usable in games.

He also has a chainaxe, which NL don't have. I suspect it's a 40k model tbh

Really like that model! much more of the style I prefer and seems very animated, would be great to use and convert

 Swampmist wrote:
He also has a chainaxe, which NL don't have. I suspect it's a 40k model tbh

It is a force axe with a serrated edge. Not a chainaxe.

 Mymearan wrote:
Wow! Another event exclusive

Just damn!

If this is their new 2016 Event mini for the rest of the year, I'll be definitely picking one up at the Forge World booth at GenCon in August.

Like it or not, that paint job is light years ahead of the usual FW work. Be interested to know who they used for the brushwork.

Interesting mini - but as an event exclusive I'll never see/own it anyway.

I want to make a traitor force just to include him, hot damn.

Looks like a wrong painted WB. Still, its just beautiful.

As a Night Lords player, I shake my head a bit fluff wise at this. But hey, at least FW is using our scheme on event models now. I'd paint him as a Word Bearer, Thousand Sons, or the Son of Horus that got possessed.

(the books all talk about the dislike of psyker and demons. Sevatar had choice words about them and the Gal Vorbak)

The Night Lords strike me as a legion without a unified opinion on basically everything. Some Night Lords would hate psykers and daemons, but I'm sure there were some among their number who dabbled in that kind of thing, especially later in the heresy.

Also, a Word Bearer Diabolist cannot take cataphractii armor... Lol.

I can only think of about 100 ideas for that Daemon manifestation bit snaking up from his hand. Why do I see myself buying a couple of these and cannibalizing one or two...

 foto69man wrote:
As a Night Lords player, I shake my head a bit fluff wise at this. But hey, at least FW is using our scheme on event models now. I'd paint him as a Word Bearer, Thousand Sons, or the Son of Horus that got possessed.

(the books all talk about the dislike of psyker and demons. Sevatar had choice words about them and the Gal Vorbak)

A strong underlying theme is the splintering of the Legions. That guy may well be a former Night Lord verging on black shield who does what he wants.


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 foto69man wrote:
Also, a Word Bearer Diabolist cannot take cataphractii armor... Lol.

I'm not saying this is the case, but Praevians didn't exist until FW wrote rules to go with the event exclusive miniature. This could be something new meant to just represent the first steps of librarians towards chaos sorcerers.

He could be a Space Wolf. Rune axe, communing with one of the natural spirits of Fenris.

Totally not psychic powers and/or sorcery.

Interesting mini, but I don’t see him fitting in on the table. Diorama? Heck yah! But he’s a little too overdone for a normal game IMHO.

Unpainted pics of the Tartaros guy:






I actually quite like him unpainted.

Nice! Would make a nice Legion Champion!

Head looks modular as well, so happy times for those who don't like that bit.

Oh wow! Unpainted, that Tartaros dude looks outstanding. Amazing the difference the paintjob made. Now I want one!

And I notice it is the barest hint of an eagle without being an actual Aquila, but is still a good homage to the Raptor that Unification vets wore. Very nice!

Which day is that guy for sale? Might have to make a trip to snag one.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Which day is that guy for sale? Might have to make a trip to snag one.

25th June I think. I wasn't gonna bother but I'm reconsidering.

Is he only available in the UK, or will he be available in GW stores everywhere?

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Is he only available in the UK, or will he be available in GW stores everywhere?

This is what i want to know too. The "finecast" the 100th NA store was made from seemed like a improvement over the finecast of yesteryear. It seems like they did something to fix the production issues. I wonder if they will use the same process for this guy.

 Lockark wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Is he only available in the UK, or will he be available in GW stores everywhere?

This is what i want to know too. The "finecast" the 100th NA store was made from seemed like a improvement over the finecast of yesteryear. It seems like they did something to fix the production issues. I wonder if they will use the same process for this guy.

This guys just straight up forge world resin, no finecast at all.

I called my local GW store today and they confirmed everything except the price. It's going to be "first come first served" and "while the stocks last". The guy I spoke to thinks that the approximate price will be about $60 CAN.

That Tartaros termie looks like Brock Lesnar

Babyface terminators for the win!

brilliant.

I fething love these. GW social medias are great.

Thats great fun

Loving that

Awesome!

FW should print t-shirts like that.

DICE!









And transfers!

Ah feth, still no red book.

I expect Alpharius to order at least a dozen of those Alpha Legion packs though.

£16 for 16 dice! Bloody hell...

Still no Mechanicum-dice or transfers.....

Anyone know what those squiggly symbols are in the middle of the world eaters transfer sheet? Can't make them out

For anybody ordering the dice just be wary that the initial batch that were sold at Warhammer fest had some quality control issues, my Alpha Legion ones certainly did. Hopefully they are all sorted now.

This is a 2 supposedly



And the die on the right, perhaps it is not very clear, has the hydra symbol sunken in the middle

I just realized that EC, DG and WE have pre-Heresy symbols on their dice and AL has the post-Heresy symbol. What's up with that?

 Yaraton wrote:
I just realized that EC, DG and WE have pre-Heresy symbols on their dice and AL has the post-Heresy symbol. What's up with that?

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

SERIOUSLY! Ugh. I mean, yay.... World Eaters. I like to see that. But where is House Vyronii!? COME ON FORGE WORLD! Why am I waiting years for these!

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
For anybody ordering the dice just be wary that the initial batch that were sold at Warhammer fest had some quality control issues, my Alpha Legion ones certainly did. Hopefully they are all sorted now.

This is a 2 supposedly

Sure that's not by design? They're Alpha Legion dice after all...

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

Durning the heresy then, from quite early on. They used both, and they brought it in pretty quickly. They had it by Istvaan V at least. But I'm pretty sure they did have it before too. In Extermination it says the Alpha/Omega symbol was 'used throughout the early great crusade, later almost entirely replaced by the Hydra symbol'. That implies it was replaced during the late great crusade.

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

"Legion" begs to differ.

It had nothing to do with being a decorative motif; it was used as an identifier by the Alpha Legion for its agents, safe houses, and other items associated with their operations.

 edbradders wrote:
Anyone know what those squiggly symbols are in the middle of the world eaters transfer sheet? Can't make them out

Pretty sure that they're kill tally markings.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
For anybody ordering the dice just be wary that the initial batch that were sold at Warhammer fest had some quality control issues, my Alpha Legion ones certainly did. Hopefully they are all sorted now.

This is a 2 supposedly

That's probably just a TS die that's undergoing the flesh change.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

"Legion" begs to differ.

It had nothing to do with being a decorative motif; it was used as an identifier by the Alpha Legion for its agents, safe houses, and other items associated with their operations.

At least, that is what they want you to think.

Or is it.

OR IS IT!?

Damn Alpha Legion.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

Durning the heresy then, from quite early on. They used both, and they brought it in pretty quickly. They had it by Istvaan V at least. But I'm pretty sure they did have it before too. In Extermination it says the Alpha/Omega symbol was 'used throughout the early great crusade, later almost entirely replaced by the Hydra symbol'. That implies it was replaced during the late great crusade.

So my initial post that Alpha Legion didn't use the Hydra symbol as a Legion symbol stands correct and you are just wasting my time with your I-know-it-all posts? I thought so.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

"Legion" begs to differ.

It had nothing to do with being a decorative motif; it was used as an identifier by the Alpha Legion for its agents, safe houses, and other items associated with their operations.

Point any quote from the same book where it specifically says that Alpha Legion was using the Hydra symbol as it's all-legion symbol.

NERD FIGHT!

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

Durning the heresy then, from quite early on. They used both, and they brought it in pretty quickly. They had it by Istvaan V at least. But I'm pretty sure they did have it before too. In Extermination it says the Alpha/Omega symbol was 'used throughout the early great crusade, later almost entirely replaced by the Hydra symbol'. That implies it was replaced during the late great crusade.

So my initial post that Alpha Legion didn't use the Hydra symbol as a Legion symbol stands correct and you are just wasting my time with your I-know-it-all posts? I thought so.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

"Legion" begs to differ.

It had nothing to do with being a decorative motif; it was used as an identifier by the Alpha Legion for its agents, safe houses, and other items associated with their operations.

Point any quote from the same book where it specifically says that Alpha Legion was using the Hydra symbol as it's all-legion symbol.

By the late great crusade, the original Alpha-Omega legion symbol had been almost entirely replaced by the hydra symbol, is what the quote from Extermination says. I'm not sure how that means your statement that it wasn't the legion symbol during the heresy is correct, when it says the opposite? All of the Alpha Legion marines in extermination have the hydra symbol instead of the alpha-omega one, except for the XXth legion marine from earlier in the crusade. It shows a marine from Istvaan V and says 'including the Learnean Hydra legion icon' when talking about the heraldry he wore. If you're saying it wasn't the legion symbol because not all the legion wore it, then the AL didn't have a legion symbol, because the heraldry and even colours they wore was always different to sow confusion in the enemy (and allies).

I'll be a know it all if you're gonna call me one.

I don't really think this is something worth having an argument about.

Thanks.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

Durning the heresy then, from quite early on. They used both, and they brought it in pretty quickly. They had it by Istvaan V at least. But I'm pretty sure they did have it before too. In Extermination it says the Alpha/Omega symbol was 'used throughout the early great crusade, later almost entirely replaced by the Hydra symbol'. That implies it was replaced during the late great crusade.

So my initial post that Alpha Legion didn't use the Hydra symbol as a Legion symbol stands correct and you are just wasting my time with your I-know-it-all posts? I thought so.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

The Alpha Legion used the Hydra symbol from very early on in the heresy if not even before. They used both throughout.

Ahh, no. Hydra doesn't come up as an Alpha Legion symbol before Heresy, only as a decorative motive.

"Legion" begs to differ.

It had nothing to do with being a decorative motif; it was used as an identifier by the Alpha Legion for its agents, safe houses, and other items associated with their operations.

Point any quote from the same book where it specifically says that Alpha Legion was using the Hydra symbol as it's all-legion symbol.

By the late great crusade, the original Alpha-Omega legion symbol had been almost entirely replaced by the hydra symbol, is what the quote from Extermination says. I'm not sure how that means your statement that it wasn't the legion symbol during the heresy is correct, when it says the opposite? All of the Alpha Legion marines in extermination have the hydra symbol instead of the alpha-omega one, except for the XXth legion marine from earlier in the crusade. It shows a marine from Istvaan V and says 'including the Learnean Hydra legion icon' when talking about the heraldry he wore. If you're saying it wasn't the legion symbol because not all the legion wore it, then the AL didn't have a legion symbol, because the heraldry and even colours they wore was always different to sow confusion in the enemy (and allies).

I'll be a know it all if you're gonna call me one.

The Hydra symbol was used before and during the Heresy as a means of distinguishing the different units withing the Legion itself, just like a good book by FW called Extermination shows. The Hydra symbol became a de-facto Legion symbol only during the 40K period.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
For anybody ordering the dice just be wary that the initial batch that were sold at Warhammer fest had some quality control issues, my Alpha Legion ones certainly did. Hopefully they are all sorted now.

This is a 2 supposedly

Spoiler:

And the die on the right, perhaps it is not very clear, has the hydra symbol sunken in the middle

Well that's unfortunate!

Hopefully they fix that.

I just want my Mechanicum transfers. And Space Wolves, but those I can't see coming out until closer to the release of the next book.

Never mind, reds8n said nope while I was typing!

Question about the Moritat: Are they all Legions or just Raven Guard?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Question about the Moritat: Are they all Legions or just Raven Guard?

All legions except Salamanders

 BrookM wrote:
Ah feth, still no red book.

I expect Alpharius to order at least a dozen of those Alpha Legion packs though.

While I'd still like a few, I really would have prefered the "A w/ chain" symbol.

But then it probably would have been the more 'modern' version with the 'Omega' oh so subtly sitting behind the "A", and I don't really like that one...

Ah crap i got a set of those alpha dice... better go check them for advantages

 BrookM wrote:

So hold on....
Alpha Legion Dice+Dynat+Saboteur= A 5+ to blow up a tank with an additional 10% bonus?
*Orders 2 sets of Alpha Legion Dice*

The dice are nice and all (except the lack of Imperial Fist dice currently...) but I would rather some interesting model or rules releases instead.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Ah feth, still no red book.

I expect Alpharius to order at least a dozen of those Alpha Legion packs though.

While I'd still like a few, I really would have prefered the "A w/ chain" symbol.

But then it probably would have been the more 'modern' version with the 'Omega' oh so subtly sitting behind the "A", and I don't really like that one...

The Alpha-Omega symbol pre-dates the reunion with the Legion's Primarch. It isn't an unsubtle hint, it is referring to them being the last Legion, but also the first Legion in terms of their prowess, a reflection of their ambition- the first and the last so to speak. The fact that the symbol is being phased out in the later Great Crusade suggests that Alpharius is actually deliberately suppressing it's use, not condoning it. Perhaps for the fact it does seem unsubtle in hindsight.

 Haighus wrote:
The dice are nice and all (except the lack of Imperial Fist dice currently...) but I would rather some interesting model or rules releases instead.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Ah feth, still no red book.

I expect Alpharius to order at least a dozen of those Alpha Legion packs though.

While I'd still like a few, I really would have prefered the "A w/ chain" symbol.

But then it probably would have been the more 'modern' version with the 'Omega' oh so subtly sitting behind the "A", and I don't really like that one...

The Alpha-Omega symbol pre-dates the reunion with the Legion's Primarch. It isn't an unsubtle hint, it is referring to them being the last Legion, but also the first Legion in terms of their prowess, a reflection of their ambition- the first and the last so to speak. The fact that the symbol is being phased out in the later Great Crusade suggests that Alpharius is actually deliberately suppressing it's use, not condoning it. Perhaps for the fact it does seem unsubtle in hindsight.

Er, I was going with the fact that the Alpha/Omega symbol is absolutely 'new' in terms of being introduced well after the original Alpha Legion background - and Legion symbol.

It has absolutely come about since the invention of Omegon!

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not a part of the new symbol!

It is new to the fluff, but it is a retcon. The symbol appears in use before the appearance of Omegon in the continuity of the Great Crusade, so whilst Omegon has probably influenced the design from FW's perspective, within the timeline of the GC and HH, the symbol has nothing to do with Omegon and is no hint of it, because it appeared before Omegon is reunited with the Alpha Legion. In fact, taking this into account, it may well be more likely that Omegon has taken his name from the symbol, along with Alpharius.

Fair point about not liking it because it is a retcon though.

 Haighus wrote:
It is new to the fluff, but it is a retcon. The symbol appears in use before the appearance of Omegon in the continuity of the Great Crusade, so whilst Omegon has probably influenced the design from FW's perspective, within the timeline of the GC and HH, the symbol has nothing to do with Omegon and is no hint of it, because it appeared before Omegon is reunited with the Alpha Legion. In fact, taking this into account, it may well be more likely that Omegon has taken his name from the symbol, along with Alpharius.

Fair point about not liking it because it is a retcon though.

I'm not so sure about that, but we can debate this elsewhere, if you like!

 Haighus wrote:
The dice are nice and all (except the lack of Imperial Fist dice currently...) but I would rather some interesting model or rules releases instead.

Yup need more Imperial Fist dice...

As for the Alpha Legion symbol, who really knows what is what or what it means? I think their Legion symbol should be a guy twirling his mustache all evil like going " neheh!"

Tell me they'll make them for all legions. I really want TS ones.

I would imagine they will - provided they sell well!

(And I'm betting that they do in fact sell well!)

I may pick up a set of Ultramarine dice, but I definitely would pick up a set of Mechanicum dice.

Solar Auxilia for me, though those guys are probably all the way at the bottom of the food chain.

Some one a few pages back did say that FW plans to make a set for each Legion, and that these are the first wave. Makes sense.

If they make WB dice, I will buy them.

The thousand sons dice will have tiny dice for the pips, and those tiny dice will have more tiny dice for THEIR pips.

For space wolves, replace pips with pups...

 BrookM wrote:

10% better? Ah, official "weighted" dice! Noice!

I reckon the Thousand Sons dice will arrive smashed, and to use them you scatter them across the table, and in the infinite possibilities of the shapes and geometries and patterns, you will revel in the beauty of creation and possibility, as did Magnus. And somewhere, within these infinite possibilities, there will be the result of your D6 'roll' for the game.

May slow the game down somewhat...



Edits: I messed up, with the whole duplicate posting thing. The forum didn't delete my duplicate post immediately, and I managed to edit the wrong post to mark it as a duplicate... an all round fail by me. Anyway, 'tis sorted now.

Is the Legion symbol a 6 or a 1.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Is the Legion symbol a 6 or a 1.

Its the 6 you can see a 1 in this picture

I'm definitely going to save for some Horus ones, but I'm hoping we will have more designs soon.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm definitely going to save for some Horus ones, but I'm hoping we will have more designs soon.

you mean like this?

(FW FB page)

Let me know when I.Fists arrive and I'm down.

Still no Mechanicum-dice.....

They did say on FB that they will be doing more.

No wonder GW hates Chaos! FW is stealing all the Chaos love for themselves!

:p

I asked about the Solar Auxilia, but alas, no reply as of yet. Here's hoping though.

I want Iron Warrior Dice. I'll actually pay Forge World's stupid shipping for 2 packs since they won't be back in town for me until Adepticon 2017 (Unless they are showing up to Nova in September).

I would kill for Raptors dice.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I would kill for Raptors dice.

But what would you do for a Klondike Bar, hmm?

The dice are nice.

Where is Dorn!?

*resets watch*

For some reason I don't think the person responsible for the dice is the same person working on a primarch sculpt. Rest assured, these didn't delay Dorn in the least.

 BrookM wrote:
I asked about the Solar Auxilia, but alas, no reply as of yet. Here's hoping though.

You should probably refrain from asking about dice, unlike this poor fellow..

I saw, I also saw their follow up post, which pointed out that it was all tongue in cheek and all that..

edit.

Also, did you take a picture of your screen with an actual camera instead of pressing "Print Screen"?

Wow, just wow.

 bubber wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm definitely going to save for some Horus ones, but I'm hoping we will have more designs soon.

you mean like this?

(FW FB page)

OOOOH those Iron Warriors ones are sweet...
They'd work for my Necrons too...

Sod legion dice, give me mechanicum ones already.
And while at it, fully release ursarax so I can spend my fund that's been sat here waiting.

Fantastic facebook post

still waiting on dorn and the dice set :/

why do you not want my money fw!

 Desubot wrote:
Fantastic facebook post

still waiting on dorn and the dice set :/

why do you not want my money fw!

Oh, they do. They just want everyone else's first.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I asked about the Solar Auxilia, but alas, no reply as of yet. Here's hoping though.

You should probably refrain from asking about dice, unlike this poor fellow..

Spoiler:

That is funny! NO ONE ASK ABOUT DORN or IF!!!

hahaha!

I'm gonna ask EVERYTHING about space wolves!

 BrookM wrote:
I saw, I also saw their follow up post, which pointed out that it was all tongue in cheek and all that..

edit.

Also, did you take a picture of your screen with an actual camera instead of pressing "Print Screen"?

Wow, just wow.

Yeah, I was on my computer when I saw it and couldn't be bothered to go on my FB app on my phone I make a living off being lazy

Should mention that after I took it I immediately went on the FB to show my friend xD

 Frozocrone wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I asked about the Solar Auxilia, but alas, no reply as of yet. Here's hoping though.

You should probably refrain from asking about dice, unlike this poor fellow..

Spoiler:

No one DARE to ask about Alpharius or Exodus!
If you do, ill do a Liam Neeson "I will Find you, and I will Kill you"

 Frozocrone wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I saw, I also saw their follow up post, which pointed out that it was all tongue in cheek and all that..

edit.

Also, did you take a picture of your screen with an actual camera instead of pressing "Print Screen"?

Wow, just wow.

Yeah, I was on my computer when I saw it and couldn't be bothered to go on my FB app on my phone I make a living off being lazy

Should mention that after I took it I immediately went on the FB to show my friend xD

There really needs to be a word for this type of roundabout laziness.

That's not lazy, this is something else altogether..

 Uriels_Flame wrote:


That is funny! NO ONE ASK ABOUT DORN or IF!!!

Too late:

Explains why we dont have Dorn. Probably already ready to go just people keep delaying it.

I want Death korps dice. Just saying out loud, in case it matters.

And yeah I suppose I could use something like these:


but I kind of want to avoid people making the assumption that my troops portray Germans. Pretty sure though, that those dice are made by the same company that makes the custom GW dice.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I would kill for Raptors dice.

You know, there are custom dice companies that will do sets as ordered. And if it's a small set for personal use, you probably won't have too many problems finding someone to do a "generic eagle head" symbol on them.

So most likely you won't have to kill for the dice, but rather just pay some extra for custom stuff

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I saw, I also saw their follow up post, which pointed out that it was all tongue in cheek and all that..

edit.

Also, did you take a picture of your screen with an actual camera instead of pressing "Print Screen"?

Wow, just wow.

Yeah, I was on my computer when I saw it and couldn't be bothered to go on my FB app on my phone I make a living off being lazy

Should mention that after I took it I immediately went on the FB to show my friend xD

There really needs to be a word for this type of roundabout laziness.

this isn't your normal everyday laziness... This is advanced laziness!

Well, BrookM will be happy:



Digital edition also available...

YES! YES! YES!


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And pre-ordered. My back can rest easy soon enough now, no need to lug around Conquest any more.

Also available in digital form: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/crusade-imperialis-army-list-tablet.html

 Peregrine wrote:
Also available in digital form: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/crusade-imperialis-army-list-tablet.html

Unfortunately, GW has decided not to do the mobi format anymore, and I can't seem to get a decent epub reader for my Kindle Fire.

So since I know little to nothing about 30k, how do these army lists work? Does each Red book replace the last? They seem to come out around every year or so, that's pretty quick turn around for rules even by GW standards.

The army lists featured in this book are the same as those found in Conquest and Tempest, with the fixes from the FAQ included, plus a new model or unit or two.

Mind, this book deals with the SOLAR AUXILIA, QUESTORIS KNIGHTS AND IMPERIAL MILITIA, not the Space Marine Legions.

Requizen wrote:
So since I know little to nothing about 30k, how do these army lists work? Does each Red book replace the last? They seem to come out around every year or so, that's pretty quick turn around for rules even by GW standards.

They have different lists in them. This one has the Questoris Knights, Solar Auxilia and Militia/Warp Cults lists, there's one that has the Space Marine list, one that has the legion specific rules and units released so far, and one with the Mechanicum. The legion specific one is on its second edition, and the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army list book is due at some point for a second edition.

They aggregate the unit entries for a faction from multiple big books into one smaller, cheaper volume, so you can play a full army without spending £££.

So we have the Marine one over two volumes (generic units and Legion specific,) Mechanicum and now the Solar Auxillia etc

There has been and update to the Legion Marine book, and one for the generic book is expected, but this new one doesn't replace anything, and will likely itself be updated in a few years when more units have been added via the big books.

I'm really pleased about this. I wanted the SA and QK army lists but didnt really fancy paying 70 quid for another HH book (they're lovely books but if I'm being honest I only really read the rules bits and they're kind of unwieldy for that).

Enough books! Give me my Iron Warrior dice!

...back to the end of the line with you now!

 Alpharius wrote:
...back to the end of the line with you now!

I really want Imperial Fists dice. I've e-mail Forgeworld several times for this as well as complaining about Dorn not being done sooner...

I'm happy it's getting a digital version right away. I love the dead tree black books but for gaming the digital versions of the red books are much more convenient.

It's a bit disappointing though that the digital version is almost as expensive as the dead tree format with shipping included.

Forgeworld order is prepared.

So this won't have DA correct? That's the only one I'd actually get

 jreilly89 wrote:
So this won't have DA correct? That's the only one I'd actually get

Right. This one won't have any Marines in it.

 Zingraff wrote:
I want Death korps dice.
...
but I kind of want to avoid people making the assumption that my troops portray Germans

But they are Germans...

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...back to the end of the line with you now!

I really want Imperial Fists dice. I've e-mail Forgeworld several times for this as well as complaining about Dorn not being done sooner...

You Sister of battle you >:|

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...back to the end of the line with you now!

I really want Imperial Fists dice. I've e-mail Forgeworld several times for this as well as complaining about Dorn not being done sooner...

You're killing me! Dorn will be last for sure now :(

Books and illistrations are gorgeous, but they dont' do a very good job advertising what you need to play the game. They reference the 40k rulebook too, which is confusing but they normally have a good explanation of any newer rules.

IA 4: Anphelion Project has been out of print a while ago. A friend rang FW today and apparently whilst unable to officially comment, the IA books are typically recalled 4 months before a new/updated version is released. Looks like an update is on the horizon?

Would be interesting, but didn't they redo that book last year with the Dimaecharon? Pretty sure I picked it up at Gencon last August. Maybe they'll update the Hierodule play-doh sculpts if they do update it.

Benlisted wrote:
IA 4: Anphelion Project has been out of print a while ago. A friend rang FW today and apparently whilst unable to officially comment, the IA books are typically recalled 4 months before a new/updated version is released. Looks like an update is on the horizon?

It wasn't long since updated anyway.

And yet they can't be bothered to touch the Badab War, which languishes now. The FAQs are like 3 years old now. Sheesh!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
And yet they can't be bothered to touch the Badab War, which languishes now. The FAQs are like 3 years old now. Sheesh!

I asked them about Raptors yesterday and got the following reply:

Forge World No news on an update at the moment.
I'm sure we'll get round to it.

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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Would be interesting, but didn't they redo that book last year with the Dimaecharon? Pretty sure I picked it up at Gencon last August. Maybe they'll update the Hierodule play-doh sculpts if they do update it.

They redid it, it lasted for awhile and then poof has been gone ever since.

I think IA3 is in the same boat.

And still no update on IA12. I would really like some useful stuff for Necrons, darn it.

any reviews with lists of updates to the lists in the new book? With the digital edition someone must of picked it up by now.

I have been woundering if the Warden in the new list would be like the normal 40k one, or have the option for double gat like the renegade ones.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Also available in digital form: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/crusade-imperialis-army-list-tablet.html

Unfortunately, GW has decided not to do the mobi format anymore, and I can't seem to get a decent epub reader for my Kindle Fire.

Same. Looked all over and can't find anything that works.

Make sure you have a E pud reader that reads Epub3, not all do.

 Lockark wrote:
any reviews with lists of updates to the lists in the new book? With the digital edition someone must of picked it up by now.

I have been woundering if the Warden in the new list would be like the normal 40k one, or have the option for double gat like the renegade ones.

It'll be a little while yet:

This is a pre-order title, available to download from 24 Jun 2016.

 Lockark wrote:
any reviews with lists of updates to the lists in the new book? With the digital edition someone must of picked it up by now.

I have been woundering if the Warden in the new list would be like the normal 40k one, or have the option for double gat like the renegade ones.

IIRC the knight shown in the Dawn of war 3 previews has a double gat as well. Wouldn't be surprised if GW/FW added it as an official option at some point.

Renegade Imperial Knights in 40k have the dual Gatling cannon as an option, loyalists do not as of now.

Chances are the Questoris Knights may have the new Porphyrion class listed (hopefully!), along with the carapace-mounted weapon systems and the three new plastic variants. Maybe even the Thunderstrike Gauntlet, though they may leave it out as the rules for that thing are.. cumbersome.

The Solar Auxilia will have Aevos Jovan added, but that's about it really.

And the Militia list will hopefully have a lot of misprinted gak fixed.

I'll have to pick it up, since I own like ten Knights and it's an easy way to play heresy games...

It's also a fun list to play around with, aeons ahead of the two Knight codex books done by GW.

 BrookM wrote:
It's also a fun list to play around with, aeons ahead of the two Knight codex books done by GW.

And the digital book is so much cheaper than the physical book. Like holy crap.

 BrookM wrote:
Renegade Imperial Knights in 40k have the dual Gatling cannon as an option, loyalists do not as of now.

Chances are the Questoris Knights may have the new Porphyrion class listed (hopefully!), along with the carapace-mounted weapon systems and the three new plastic variants. Maybe even the Thunderstrike Gauntlet, though they may leave it out as the rules for that thing are.. cumbersome.

The plastic knights are already in the errata, with all the options they have in the 40k codex.

Azeroth133 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Renegade Imperial Knights in 40k have the dual Gatling cannon as an option, loyalists do not as of now.

Chances are the Questoris Knights may have the new Porphyrion class listed (hopefully!), along with the carapace-mounted weapon systems and the three new plastic variants. Maybe even the Thunderstrike Gauntlet, though they may leave it out as the rules for that thing are.. cumbersome.

The plastic knights are already in the errata, with all the options they have in the 40k codex.

The errant and paladin don't get the thunderstrick gauntlet in the errata, just the top weapon mounts.

 BrookM wrote:
...
The Solar Auxilia will have Aevos Jovan added, but that's about it really.

And the Militia list will hopefully have a lot of misprinted gak fixed.

I'm hoping they'll actually add the Minotaur in as well. It was flipping pictured in conquest in a auxilia column but no entry appeared and then Ordo Reductor went and nicked it!

Id like the Legion weapons ASAP. I was all set to convert, then they announced them and no Phoenix Spears is causing quite the bottle neck in the production schedule. (Like I have a schedule..)

From the Forge World Facebook page:

No 'Acastus Knight Porphyron'?

Colour me disappointed.

I hope they rebalanced the Magaera. It's easily one of the best Knights in terms of looks.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I hope they rebalanced the Magaera. It's easily one of the best Knights in terms of looks.

Second.

Agreed. One of the best looking for sure.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...back to the end of the line with you now!

I really want Imperial Fists dice. I've e-mail Forgeworld several times for this as well as complaining about Dorn not being done sooner...

Bastardo!

While I am not going to make any of the armies in the book, I might make a small allied detachment of the Solar Auxillia. I guess I have to buy it...

We obviously need to wait and see but it strikes me all the other red books saw there respective armies see some new additions, but this looks like the GW warden knight and the rest are it.

Aside from the Surgeon-Primus the Solar Auxilia army list hasn't been tinkered with, it's a pretty padded out list as is I suppose and well.. they aren't Space Marines, so no real need to expand on, right?

I was thinking about how a good number of Imperial Militia players were hoping for something more or simply Rough Riders or Tauros or Centaurs, things that have models but could otherwise just represent more in the way of the mish-mosh of vehicles the great variety of militias might have used.

New unit? The heavy support slot is getting quite busy now.

Malcador moved to Heavy Support and the Sky Slayer jetbikes?!

Legion malcador is now a heavy support! I do wonder what the sky slayer jet bikes will be.

I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

Are the red pages from the new version of the Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army book?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

Oh...oh no. That would be just gross with the Ravenwing and their poisoned HBs. But I am betting you are 100% right on that. Wellllll... time to start my White Scars now!

And to clarify, I mean that they can do dedicated HB squads and get dedicated MM squads. No more compromise! Provided this rumor is true.

 Deathklaat wrote:
Are the red pages from the new version of the Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army book?

Not sure. That's not the format of the one I have.

 Deathklaat wrote:
Are the red pages from the new version of the Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army book?

Age of Darkness Army List - https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=16674297

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

Oh...oh no. That would be just gross with the Ravenwing and their poisoned HBs. But I am betting you are 100% right on that. Wellllll... time to start my White Scars now!

The current jetbike unit already has heavy bolters, so nothing new there, but only one in three can upgrade to a different heavy weapon. That's why I suspect this new unit can all upgrade their weapons, and might even get some additional rule like Tank Hunters.

Did the Red Books always declare that they were an expansion to Warhammer 40k on the back?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Did the Red Books always declare that they were an expansion to Warhammer 40k on the back?

I think so - 30k 'Age of Darkness' is technically a 40k expansion.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

Oh...oh no. That would be just gross with the Ravenwing and their poisoned HBs. But I am betting you are 100% right on that. Wellllll... time to start my White Scars now!

The current jetbike unit already has heavy bolters, so nothing new there, but only one in three can upgrade to a different heavy weapon. That's why I suspect this new unit can all upgrade their weapons, and might even get some additional rule like Tank Hunters.

Could also be a new unit with a forthcoming new sculpt. There were rumors of a new jetbike kicking around, IIRC.

beast_gts wrote:

 Deathklaat wrote:
Are the red pages from the new version of the Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army book?

Age of Darkness Army List - https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=16674297

Which is an update of the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List book.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

You mean like they can already?

Edit: sorry miss understood what you meant. I saw the other post you made now.

Still don't understand why the sentry gun is in fast attack.

It can infiltrate or deep-strike with the right upgrade.

Because Heavy Support is overloaded enough?
I mean they clearly aren't Elite, HS already has artillery of all sizes that can't deep strike and there are other issues with making them Troops.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Did the Red Books always declare that they were an expansion to Warhammer 40k on the back?

Yes, it says expansion on the back of my copies of the Crusade, Isstvan and Tahgmata books.

Turrets could be Fortifications or a sub-class of that (like, have a list of building upgrades for bigger Fortifications that includes turrets). That'd make a gakload more sense than fast attack!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'll bet the new jetbike unit is just a unit where all the bikes can swap out their heavy bolters for bigger guns.

Oh...oh no. That would be just gross with the Ravenwing and their poisoned HBs. But I am betting you are 100% right on that. Wellllll... time to start my White Scars now!

The current jetbike unit already has heavy bolters, so nothing new there, but only one in three can upgrade to a different heavy weapon. That's why I suspect this new unit can all upgrade their weapons, and might even get some additional rule like Tank Hunters.

Sorry, I was unclear. To get Jetbikes with like MMs and Volkites, etc, you had to drop an HB. Now you can get full squads of each, meaning no need to shoot your MM at a tank, wasting HB shots and vice versa.

Provided the rumor is that and not some stealthily added new unit!

Could be a good excuse to introduce a new pattern of jet bike. Something with mkii armour riders for example.

 Lockark wrote:
Could be a good excuse to introduce a new pattern of jet bike. Something with mkii armour riders for example.

Indeed, a 'precursor' to the Tempest perhaps? A single seat, multiple heavy weapons platform?

Not to derail the thread, but has anyone seen what an actual attack bike is supposed to look like?

Have folks just been adding additional weapon mounts to the current jetbikes? I've got the current models for the scimitars, but haven't tried to "convert" to attack bike mode.

30K Attack bikes are like 40k attack bikes. They aren't jetbikes. Some folks use outrider parts to "30K" up the 40K models.

Ah - good point. Didn't think about that when reading them but true enough as I see the unit type.

Tylos Rubio and Blackshield decals today:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Knight-Errant-Tylos-Rubio



https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Blackshields-Transfer-Sheet

Those Blackshields decals are awesome!

Are there any notable Blackshield guys in the HH btw?

There's the Reaver Lord (I think that's his name), though he eventually becomes a Knight-Errant (and as such has rules for being used as both).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
There's the Reaver Lord (I think that's his name), though he eventually becomes a Knight-Errant (and as such has rules for being used as both).

Which Legion was he from then?

Dark Angels I believe.

And his name is the Nemean Reaver. Confused him with the generic Blackshield Praetor-equivalent.

I do like the Rubio model, might pick him up in my next order. Especially as the pound has dropped 10% overnigh.,

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I do like the Rubio model, might pick him up in my next order. Especially as the pound has dropped 10% overnigh.,

I will be enjoying Forgeworld's Brexit sale as well!

Obligatory bitching about no Vyronii decals. Sorry, but how long does one have to wait for them to send their perfectly awesome sheet to the effing printers!? Been waiting since September!

Anyhow, enough of that... for now. The Blackshield ones are awesome, but like.... easily four disparate factions on it. Why not do smaller sheets for each unique group? I mean, if I buy this, I am stuck with a slew of decals I will just never use. Same for the Solar Auxilia one, now that I think of it.

Which Blackshiels warband is this?

Those decals are great. I guess I need to find out about these Blackshield factions.

I don't know about warband per se, but the back story basically allows you to use them as renegade/redeemed.

Love the deals though !!!

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I don't know about warband per se, but the back story basically allows you to use them as renegade/redeemed.

Love the deals though !!!

There are specifically named warbands though. All the symbols on the sheet belong to the ones named in HH6, I believe.

The only Black Shields I know about are the Deathwatch Marines that show up displaying no Chapter iconography.

What are the HH-era Black Shields about?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The only Black Shields I know about are the Deathwatch Marines that show up displaying no Chapter iconography.

What are the HH-era Black Shields about?

Basically the same idea. Splinter fleets and forces on the cusp of the crusade left to their own devices after the dropsite massacre. A lot of them dash their iconography. Almost a free company vibe. Very pirate/mercenary/independent vibe. They also use xenos tech and modify wargear.

Malcador seeks them out because a lot of'm didn't side with horus. The namean reaver, a "reaver lord" eventually becomes a knight errant in the service of the sigillite. Some cool stuff, interesting rules too.

Yes - Space Marine Pirates is what I was remembering!

Black Shields are those who have forsaken their parent legion, whether they are loyalist or traitor. Some are in it for the fighting, or because they disagree with how their legion goes about things, while others indeed become reavers or petty warlords carving out an empire of their own.

A couple examples of Blackshield forces that have been depicted...

Terran Raven Guard, who weren't trusted by Corax and survived the suicide mission he sent them on and fled into the Ghoul star.

Iron Hands so incensed by the loss of their Primarch they struck out on their own against the will of the Legion's surviving leadership.

Iron Warriors from remote corners of the Galaxy forgotten or abandoned by their primarch.

The key characteristic that differentiates them is the degree to which they're operating autonomously and for themselves. Where the shattered Legions are organized and utilizing legion resources, blackshields no longer have ties to their legions or the resources those legions have.

The Blackshields of the 30k era are pretty much the precursors to the Renegades of the 40k era.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The only Black Shields I know about are the Deathwatch Marines that show up displaying no Chapter iconography.

What are the HH-era Black Shields about?

They're "undecided" between Traitors and Loyalists, outcast, or otherwise renegade units of Marines. They don't belong to any legion in particular, and have their own tactics/rules/units/etc

I thought they were marines from the traitor legions who still sided with the Emperor. Who are those guys as they're not Black Shields?

Black shields can be both loyalists from traitor legions and traitors from loyalist legions, as well as independent forces that have not taken a side. The main feature is that for whatever reason they have cut there ties to there parent legion(s) and are operating on there own.

Gotcha - thanks for clearing that up for me.

So I just tried logging on to Forgeworlds website, and its not coming up. Any body know if this has anything to do with the decrease in value of the Pound due to the Brexit?

 Col. Kurtz wrote:
So I just tried logging on to Forgeworlds website, and its not coming up. Any body know if this has anything to do with the decrease in value of the Pound due to the Brexit?

Yep. It's a whopping 6% discount or so due to GBP dropping, so far

The leading (/most advertising) currency exchange site XE.com was out for a while today, though.

 Col. Kurtz wrote:
So I just tried logging on to Forgeworlds website, and its not coming up. Any body know if this has anything to do with the decrease in value of the Pound due to the Brexit?

Working just fine now.

Be sure your bank is recognizing the exchange rate change before you go hog wild!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Be sure your bank is recognizing the exchange rate change before you go hog wild!

This. If you read the fine print you'll probably see something like "we will use the most favorable (for us) exchange rate over the next 5 days".

I downloaded the digital version of the Crusade Imperialis book and noticed they made a change to the Knight Crusader. You can't exchange the Thermal Cannon for a Rapidfire Battle Cannon. You can exchange the Gatling Cannon for one though. I don't know why they made this change but it means my Knight Crusader is not a legal option for 30k unless I tear off the Battle Cannon and put the Thermal Cannon on.

Certainly an odd one, hopefully this is one of the infamous Forge World typos, as it would mean that my Crusader is also no longer legal.

That's an odd choice. Hopefully its a misprint.

No double gat cannon option on any of the Knights?

I emailed FW and they said it wasn't a typo, that's how they intended it. I'm kind of annoyed as I can't use my Crusader as is.

There's no double gat cannon options for any knight.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I emailed FW and they said it wasn't a typo, that's how they intended it. I'm kind of annoyed as I can't use my Crusader as is.

There's no double gat cannon options for any knight.

Magnets, ftw.

Also, booooo. Double gat would have been a nice touch.

It may well be a case of Crusaders being a newer load-out and something not utilized in the 30k era, or FW realizes certain weapon combinations simply outshine their own Knight patterns.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I emailed FW and they said it wasn't a typo, that's how they intended it. I'm kind of annoyed as I can't use my Crusader as is.

There's no double gat cannon options for any knight.

Magnets, ftw.

Also, booooo. Double gat would have been a nice touch.

Magnets would be great if it wasn't already assembled and primed.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Basically the same idea. Splinter fleets and forces on the cusp of the crusade left to their own devices after the dropsite massacre. A lot of them dash their iconography. Almost a free company vibe. Very pirate/mercenary/independent vibe. They also use xenos tech and modify wargear.

Malcador seeks them out because a lot of'm didn't side with horus. The namean reaver, a "reaver lord" eventually becomes a knight errant in the service of the sigillite. Some cool stuff, interesting rules too.

Nifty. I guess I need to get that HH book then.

I like the story and rules as well. I'm already knee deep in imperial fists though...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I like the story and rules as well. I'm already knee deep in imperial fists though...

Better than being fist-deep in Imperial knees, I suppose.

Hey Guys,
I've been a fair few pages back but cannot seem to find what rumors there are about what the next HH FW books are or will contain.

I'm just here for the blood angels!

 Alpha wrote:
Hey Guys,
I've been a fair few pages back but cannot seem to find what rumors there are about what the next HH FW books are or will contain.

I'm just here for the blood angels!

The next is Inferno, which is Prospero (Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Custodes, but of Sisters of Silence). Past that I don't think we know yet.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpha wrote:
Hey Guys,
I've been a fair few pages back but cannot seem to find what rumors there are about what the next HH FW books are or will contain.

I'm just here for the blood angels!

The next is Inferno, which is Prospero (Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Custodes, but of Sisters of Silence). Past that I don't think we know yet.

The rumor is Space Wolves and Thousand Sons each get a list and there is supposed to be just one singular list covering all the Imperial Agents like custodes and sisters of silence that were present. At the last FW event it was also said there are some Lunar Wolves present as well. There is also suppose to be a variant Auxilia list to cover the spyer guard.

Ahhh thanks!

They're here!

UPGRADING THE MECHANICUS

You might have noticed that we have more than a few upgrades available on the Forge World web store. There are heads, torsos and shoulder pads for every Legion; heavy and special weapons for Space Marines; weapons for Eldar and Tyranids; upgrade sets for Astra Militarum; doors and turrets for vehicles of all types; and plenty more.

One army we’ve not designed any upgrades for is the Adeptus Mechanicus. That is, until now. Check out what’s coming soon from Forge World Studio…







These upgrades for the Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii Rangers can’t be far away from production, so make sure you’re signed up to the Forge World Newsletter for all the latest news.

That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
 

My body is ready, but my wallet is not .

I am thrilled that they are pictured, but I bet they won't get released for a few weeks. I really want the Imperial Armour book first but I will take these and the precursor to plague drones, whatever they were called.

Dangit where is that IA book and the ursarax...

How could you possibly have designed a unit that is iron man chest laser jet pack cyborg bears and taken so many YEARS to release it?

glad to see they are upgrade kits, not full kits. I have 2-3 squads of skitarii unbuilt thanks to getting started boxes.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
glad to see they are upgrade kits, not full kits. I have 2-3 squads of skitarii unbuilt thanks to getting started boxes.

This may be the final push I need to get two more Get Started Skitarii boxes: more base Skits for FW upgrades.

Let's hope they're sold as upgrades, rather than bundled with the plastics.

Have we any idea of what troop types they represent? I too have a couple of Skitarii boxes knocking around so these will be instant purchases upon release.

They're Mechanicum Secutarii I think - some sort of Titan guard.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
glad to see they are upgrade kits, not full kits. I have 2-3 squads of skitarii unbuilt thanks to getting started boxes.

Same here. In fact I specifically decided not to build them when the first pics of these showed up a while back. Wanted to see what was coming first.

The guy on the left is bad ass. I love these upgrades for the Skitarii.

Aw, come on, ForgeWorld. Give us updated flyer rules or Knight Porphyrion!

 CragHack wrote:
Aw, come on, ForgeWorld. Give us updated flyer rules or Knight Porphyrion!

Or you know... my effing Knight decals. Yes, I am broken record.

But I want the new Knight too. That thing is a MONSTER! If the rules down change from the previews, it will make a great Knight Aspirant. Hehehe.

Probably best to email FW such requests directly!

Although I'd love for there to be an Official FW Representative Presence here, I don't think that's likely!

Poor soul wouldn't last more than ten posts before the toxic members of our little community swoop in.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Have we any idea of what troop types they represent?

The chaps with the shields are Secutarii Hoplites; typically used for boarding parties.
I made 5 of my own 3 weeks back, using a Tomb Kings battalion and leftover Vanguard bits, expecting these guys to come out in October.

The two with the gun things are Peltasts.

I heard they were releasing a load of Dark Mech stuff before the Secutarii. I'm pleasantly surprised.

The one thing i don't get about these new Skitarii are if they are just 40k or if they are going to be for both 30k and 40k. They were orginally unveiled at a HH weekender after all, but everyone is talking like these are only for 40k.

They will get rules in the next IA book. AdMech and RedScorpions vs Tau.

If FW gives them 30k rules as well, that would be awesome.

I think its pretty much that. They're intended for both 30k and 40k but their rules will be debuted in a 40k book. One of the next few books after Inferno for the HH series is suppose to cover the Martian civil war, Mechanicum vs Dark Mechanicum and we're suppose to see the 30k era Skitarii in that book. The fact that FW never shies away from selling Titans and has featured some Titan legion in the fiction of each HH book means FW could well have them show up sooner in a book preceding the martian civil war book.

Makes me wonder if we're going to see any equivalent to Doctrina Imperatives in 30k. My guess is that we'll get something similar but generally cooler.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think its pretty much that. They're intended for both 30k and 40k but their rules will be debuted in a 40k book. One of the next few books after Inferno for the HH series is suppose to cover the Martian civil war, Mechanicum vs Dark Mechanicum and we're suppose to see the 30k era Skitarii in that book. The fact that FW never shies away from selling Titans and has featured some Titan legion in the fiction of each HH book means FW could well have them show up sooner in a book preceding the martian civil war book.

So could we see Fires of Cyraxus VERY soon?

Yeeeeessssss!!!!

Saved two boxes of rangers myself, soooo glad i did!

I need to re-read the rules for the black shields. I may need to paint my DA force with these in mind...

Do we have an ETA on when thent IA is being released? The most I could find was "this summer". Finally, do we know how much of the 30k line will become 40k legal? I really want to pick up some of the FW automata (Castellax/Thanatar especially) but Id rather wait than spend that much on a toy I can't use.

 jifel wrote:
Do we have an ETA on when thent IA is being released? The most I could find was "this summer". Finally, do we know how much of the 30k line will become 40k legal? I really want to pick up some of the FW automata (Castellax/Thanatar especially) but Id rather wait than spend that much on a toy I can't use.

One of the few official forgeworld previews we have of the book has shown a Vorax and a Thanatar, so it'd be a bit trolly of them to not include those models in the book.

 jifel wrote:
Do we have an ETA on when thent IA is being released? The most I could find was "this summer". Finally, do we know how much of the 30k line will become 40k legal? I really want to pick up some of the FW automata (Castellax/Thanatar especially) but Id rather wait than spend that much on a toy I can't use.

This is exactly my thought process.

Are they SERIOUS! That is funny, but really annoying too. I would love to see them actually show what is what without me needing to do research in HH6.

They are trying to be edgy internet teens with memes.

its cute that they are trying to get with the times since they missed like 10 years, but i can see it getting annoying

I don't think that's an official FW picture.

There is an actual guide in PDF format on the FW homepage:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets//blacksheild-transfers.pdf

 Zywus wrote:
I don't think that's an official FW picture.

There is an actual guide in PDF format on the FW homepage:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets//blacksheild-transfers.pdf

It's an official jokey picture on their Facebook, but yeah they do have a proper guide on the site.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I don't think that's an official FW picture.

There is an actual guide in PDF format on the FW homepage:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets//blacksheild-transfers.pdf

It's an official jokey picture on their Facebook, but yeah they do have a proper guide on the site.

They are just killing it with the jokes. That guide is great! I may build a few small contingents just to use as an allied detachment here and there. Fun modelling opportunities!

Who are the loyalist Blackshields?

Or, I guess I'd like to know who are:

Gerasene Host
Ashen Claws
Foresworn
Third Covenant

Thanks!

So which guys do they represent from the Blackshields then? I don't know a great deal about them.

I'm no teen but enjoying GW with a sense of humor again this past year.

Someone may get to it before I do, but I have HH:6 at home and can get a little more detailed.

I actually like both models.

 Alpharius wrote:
Who are the loyalist Blackshields?

Or, I guess I'd like to know who are:

Gerasene Host
Ashen Claws
Foresworn
Third Covenant

Thanks!

Purchase yourself the HH6: Retribution and you will know... sorta. I mean, as much as anyone knows about these shady warbands.

I'm curious as to whether or not there is a reason for the Third Covenant being the "Third" specifically.

 Desubot wrote:
They are trying to be edgy internet teens with memes.

Not really. They're just making a joke.

 BrookM wrote:
Poor soul wouldn't last more than ten posts before the toxic members of our little community swoop in.

Sad, but oh so true.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Mechanicum-Ursarax-FW

£30

Those are sweet!

I usually enjoy the Mech stuff but these are a bit meh for me.

Pretty cool, but I do not enjoy the eye lenses. I much prefer the tinted glass dome of the thallax

I like everything about these models bar the Jetpack
Looks like something Orks would use

Love em, want em. May need to reposition the fella that's playing hopscotch mind o.O

It never fails. The week after i place an order, FW releases something i want.

Holy feth, they're jetpack techno-bears.

Re: larger thrust units on their backs, they are jump infantry, as opposed to their ranged brethren, who are jet pack infantry.

I don't really like those, for a number of reasons.

One of them being the slim waist. Seems like an unnecessary weakpoint. An armour plate there would solve a lot.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't really like those, for a number of reasons.

One of them being the slim waist. Seems like an unnecessary weakpoint. An armour plate there would solve a lot.

Yeah because the Admech designs make lots of sense. Perhaps to cut weight and ease thruster workload, or its electronically shielded. Either way a willful suspension of disbelief is needed to embrace our hobby. I do agree with you that perhaps a plate or something would remove the visually obvious weakness.

Chances are the waist is already quite armoured, as the important fleshy parts, the brain and part of the spine of the unfortunate soul encased within, are in the armoured head and torso.

I like the way that most FW follows a similar design throughout. The leg hip combos on theses guys even their overall silhouette looks like a tiny knight or a large thallax.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
I like the way that most FW follows a similar design throughout. The leg hip combos on theses guys even their overall silhouette looks like a tiny knight or a large thallax.

I think the legs are the same as the Thallax. These are basically CC Thallax.

Finally!
Took them long enough to release!

Ordered 4 sets of them and went on eBay to order 12 thallax heads.
Finally got my assault unit


Just need to release the Arlatax and macro explorator.
Still need to paint up a unit of 3 domitar yet though so I'm falling behind.




Edit: also waiting on the mechanicum drone thing.

I like them but I have to wonder why you wouldn't automatically go for the power fist upgrades? They're only I2 so you're not losing much with unwieldy, they keep the same number of attacks and they hit at str10, ap2.

Aside from being really short on points for the upgrade, I can figure out why one would stay with the Lightning Claws.

Power Fists also make their death ray hug kind of pointless too.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
I like them but I have to wonder why you wouldn't automatically go for the power fist upgrades? They're only I2 so you're not losing much with unwieldy, they keep the same number of attacks and they hit at str10, ap2.

Aside from being really short on points for the upgrade, I can figure out why one would stay with the Lightning Claws.

Power Fists also make their death ray hug kind of pointless too.

Because the claws look cooler?

 Jackal wrote:
Finally!
Took them long enough to release!

Ordered 4 sets of them and went on eBay to order 12 thallax heads.
Finally got my assault unit


Just need to release the Arlatax and macro explorator.
Still need to paint up a unit of 3 domitar yet though so I'm falling behind.




Edit: also waiting on the mechanicum drone thing.

I am excited to see that Scoria dude from HH6, personally. I can't imagine what he will look like.

And yes! The Arlatax better look amazing, given how brutal it sounds in the book!

Mainly because people don't want to trade blows with other power fists.
I rather run a 50/50 mix in a unit to try and limit return damage.

Considering axes and fists are both I1, I rather damage a unit first before taking return attacks.

That way I can fight specialist units without fear of killing some of them and losing a chunk of mine in return.
Also gives me enough fists to deal with armour too.


While I2 isn't great, it still goes before the weapons you don't want hitting your unit.
So I see a few claws as a must.



Edit: the Arlatax is pretty damn brutal to say the least, more so when boosted.
I've been tempted to convert one and test it though, as I feel they will make my domitar completely redundant.

I'm more interested in the not nurgle drone things though.
Look ace and I believe they will be a fast choice, but hoping the rules back them up.