They could fire cluster munition warheads though, and be able to blanket a large area with blasts? Using the Apocalypse barrage template, and with indirect fire capabilities.
Gamgee wrote: I think its obvious the new HRA will be a single target D weapon but anything else? Seems like a waste to have only a single shot so might be a few.
Maybe a line weapon? Hit the first target, keep hitting everything from there to the end of the table?
Double pistol HQ for 30k marines. Their special ability is "keep firing each pistol until you miss", at the cost of assaulting or shooting next turn. Fluff-wise is they're a rogue killer who is barely trusted by the rest of the legion and can only join a specific kind of squad.
ImAGeek wrote: Think they've made the new Knight bigger:
Spoiler:
That's not to scale. It'd be utterly ridiculous if it were - it'd be Warhound sized!
Oh em gee. That picture is from the last event, they've made it bigger since then. I'm not sure why they'd show a picture that wasn't to scale now it's nearer completion...
This is the actual model, or near enough. It's big.
FW had that Knight in a number of different sizes. The one pictured in the lineup with all three is a second draft and is the same size as the tan on in this picture:
I'd have preferred the smaller size. My guess is they decided to scale it up so the weapons would match up to Titan weapons rather than just being their own thing unique to this unit.
The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
BrookM wrote: A Knight with ranged D-weapons would be the bees knees, but it would sadly also be priced accordingly, unlike those mongrels the Tau and Eldar use.
Funnily enough there was a tournament a few weeks after the Taunar was released. It was an anything goes tournament. I mean anything base rules with clarifications to them on site. All the Tau lists (and pretty much all of them with Titan) got stomped thanks to Grav spam, drop pods, and deathstars. Invisibility Eldar took the win but a Tau'nar didn't make it into the top 50. And that way WAAAAY back then before even more power creep has set in.
It's a lovely great model but grav messes it up so bad it's not viable. We even had people math hammering (from these forums) it out there before the tournament and the results of the math hammering turned out to be correct. Among the top tier it's really not that great and viable in a competitive scene. Will likely smash most average players though.
Gamgee wrote: The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
"Ugly and silly" is kind of the Imperium's whole shtick.
Personally I think it's kinda cute, like a big metal turtle with guns.
Dunno why they're inventing more weapon types for the knight… I mean, I get it, magma lascannon = baby volcano cannon, yay. But why not just give the thing a pair of neutron lasers that can combine fire into a D-laser? The snap-fire rule would be quite useful on such a platform.
That said, it looks like the size increase has allowed them room to bolt on a couple of defensive stubbers so that's useful. Wonder if they'll make the thing lumbering like the fluff and limit it to 6" movement?
I think the pscaling was partly to facilitate bulking up the legs. They looked too small and the hips slightly too narrow last time it was shown off. Now the Knight doesn't seem like it'll be tipped over by a strong breeze because it's centre of gravity os too high.
Gamgee wrote: The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
"Ugly and silly" is kind of the Imperium's whole shtick.
Personally I think it's kinda cute, like a big metal turtle with guns.
Gamgee wrote: The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
"Ugly and silly" is kind of the Imperium's whole shtick.
Personally I think it's kinda cute, like a big metal turtle with guns.
Gamgee wrote: The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
"Ugly and silly" is kind of the Imperium's whole shtick.
Personally I think it's kinda cute, like a big metal turtle with guns.
Flip it over for massive damage? /archaic meme.
I'm still waiting for a Giant Enemy Crab unit.
You know crabs are pretty under represented in these sorts of games. A tyranid bug/crab thing could be just what they need. Something super tanky to actually make it into melee. Anyways I digress don't want to get this off topic.
Has anyone mentioned that they did a Q&A in the afternoon session, and said:
No plans for [the Titan(s) bigger than Warlord]
They are looking at making Imperial Titans we have not seen before.
It's about the only part I understood of the Q&A other than Russ will get Freki and Geri, but they'll be a separate release.
@Gamgee: The Knight Porphyrion is actually based off one of the old Knight sculpts from Epic.
Granted, the rules in 40k aren't great, but I quite like all these giant stompy robots on the tabletop. Adds a sense of scale to the game.
The tides may be changing now. Apparently some person who spoke to the plastic designers has revealed that there might be a plastic Warhound Titan in the future (we already know they are capable given the Aquila Strongpoint).
Forge World:
Other Titan designs are getting talked about again.
Another mid class Titan (between Reaver and Warhound) will be considered next.
Nemesis possibly will be the biggest Titan they do (will be Warlord based but with bigger guns / mounts).
The superbly talented Darren Parwood is working on something else big now. I believe this may be a light Battle Titan. We may not see it for a while though.
Gamgee wrote: The new IK looks silly. I normally like how most IK's look but this one is just silly looking. Like a turtle and a crab combined then hit with the ugly stick.
It does but then the Tau suits are even worse IMO - in contrast the Baracude looks ace..........
I do wonder how long it will be until Space Marines get thier own Titan
Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.
In the original Adaptus Titanicus game there were mentions of Titan types other than the main three(Warhound, Reaver and Warlord). The only one that ever got a model was the Emperor class, the rest were only ever mentioned in text iirc.
Adaptus Titanicus also had several named Warlord variants that were essentially different fixed weapon load outs(this was before you could mix and match weapons). Although they did provide the base Titan with slightly different stats. FW could use these as "inspiration" in a similar way to how they have used the old RT Marine dreads as a base for there 30k frames.
godardc wrote: Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.
Chaos have quite a few variants on top of the run of the stuff they nab from the IoM.
Mr. Grey wrote: Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness Army List book = the old Crusade Army List book, correct? Did they announce a general release date for that yet?
They were talking about the limited edition black "leather" version being out for the FW open day in July, along with the new IA book. They also said they have dropped the numbers for IA books as it got too complicated to number with the reprints; they are going to keep the numbers for the HH books.
The ursarax had sold out by the time I got to the front of the queue, gutted.
Heard that the mastodon had to be recut again to get the molds to work, even then they only last 5-7 goes. It was a straight choice between the mastodon and the Stormbird at this event, they chose the Stormbird even though they only had 5 ready (3 for Saturday and 2 for Sunday). Mastodon will be at the FW Open day in July apparently.
I think Jez said they had over 30 unused Titan variants that they can use for AD. Speaking of Titans, the Chaos Titan will not be done till after they finish the first round of Primarchs.
godardc wrote: Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.
Chaos have quite a few variants on top of the run of the stuff they nab from the IoM.
Chaos had a Slaaneshi scout titan, and then god specific variants of the warlord, of which the Banelord was the only one to get a model (almost 2 models)
I'll be that this new emphasis on new titans is due to the upcoming Adeptus Titanicus- to have more than just the 3 common ones. And if any of the new designs are wildly popular, they can scale up the CAD to make a full 28mm size one.
No plans for the Emperor in 28mm is clearly sane (it would be huge, and like 3000 GBP) but I hope they make it and the Warmonger in AdTi scale. I have 3 of the old plastic ones and would love a new one or two that saw FWs realism take on it.
Also curious if the Lucius pattern titans will make an appearance or if it will be all mars pattern.
godardc wrote: Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.
There's a few bits of information about Titan variants that I've been able to track down over the years:
Atlas class Titan - a testbed Titan used by the Diviso Investigatus for testing new technologies
Legatus Class Warlord Command Titan
Vulcan Class Warlord
Nemesis Class Psi-Titan - parts were sculpted and a very limited release happened
Others, such as the nightgaunt, eclipse and Death Bringer Titans were originally names for warlords with different weapon fits, but were most likely names for classes of Titans...
Psi titan would be a cannon/cathedral weapon for the warlords back and perhaps a different head. So the new night is no longer a bolt on kit to the questorius chassis? that thing is huge now is it gonna cost warhound price? For inspiration FW could build some of the chaos titan/knight patterns. The scorpion chicken slannesh has or the goofy khorn variant.
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
I encourage all titans since it means we Tau will make bigger ones in response. Can't wait to see the Tau titan means to be equivalent to the Reaver class. Then eventually the one to match the Warlord. I'll also accept super heavy fliers other than the Manta as well.
Man its gonna be a long wait for AT. Googling all that sweet urban terrain for games like Dropzone commander(2mm scale difference shouldn't be much of an issue with Titans) is really not helping
Gamgee wrote: I think they'll do the Emperor class eventually. But that might be many many years away. And once they start it will be even more years away.
They stated outright during the panel that they will not do it. Makes me wonder if the Warlord was a pain.
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
The problem is the strength of the materials involved. As it is right now, the Warlord is pushing at the edge of viability; if that body was actually full of more than air you'd start to get problems with the legs bending and the hip joints in particular starting to crack under the weight of the body above.
An Emperor class Titan, of either pattern, would pretty much have to include a reinforcing skeleton of some sort in the kit. Or be made of a different material than the resin Forge World normally uses. Either way it would mean additional engineering and testing, plus sourcing and supply issues, to where it may not be viable to sell.
Basically, even beginning to design the thing would be taking a significant risk that FW, for the time being, just doesn't have the resources to weather on its own. So yeah, not for many years yet.
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
The problem is the strength of the materials involved. As it is right now, the Warlord is pushing at the edge of viability; if that body was actually full of more than air you'd start to get problems with the legs bending and the hip joints in particular starting to crack under the weight of the body above.
An Emperor class Titan, of either pattern, would pretty much have to include a reinforcing skeleton of some sort in the kit. Or be made of a different material than the resin Forge World normally uses. Either way it would mean additional engineering and testing, plus sourcing and supply issues, to where it may not be viable to sell.
Basically, even beginning to design the thing would be taking a significant risk that FW, for the time being, just doesn't have the resources to weather on its own. So yeah, not for many years yet.
Well, with Adeptus Titanicus coming out, an Imperator or Warmonger Titan is very likely. Not for 28mm though. The Warlord as it is just isn't suitable for gaming where you're 24" apart. They have kilometre range weaponry but are fighting where the enemy can hit it with their axes! With the Imperator Titan, whose Volcano Cannon can fire at low orbit starships, would be ridiculous at that range!
In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40kFW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards
GoatboyBeta wrote: In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40kFW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards
TBH the scaling in the old Epic was so out of whack its hard to say from the models. Not sure if there is any old fluff giving actual sizes, even if there is its likely going to be revised as FW lock the scale down for the new 8mm Epic. But as Mr_Rose and zedmeister have pointed out the Warlord is pushing the limits of practicality in 28mm scale. Both in terms of materials used and sheer size.
GoatboyBeta wrote: TBH the scaling in the old Epic was so out of whack its hard to say from the models. Not sure if there is any old fluff giving actual sizes, even if there is its likely going to be revised as FW lock the scale down for the new 8mm Epic. But as Mr_Rose and zedmeister have pointed out the Warlord is pushing the limits of practicality in 28mm scale. Both in terms of materials used and sheer size.
The old sizes given were all over the place depending on which book or article you read. And, as for the artwork, again you had sizes and scales out of skew. Even Forgeworld were guilty when they made their Epic Titans. Thankfully, Forgeworld's resin vehicles, infantry and aircraft were all scaled to 6mm exactly. But, it did make the Leman Russ look a bit spindly and slightly trolley like!
Actually the sizes given in GW and FW studio material have been pretty consistent. It's only second and third party authors (and artists) who seem to think Titans are literal walking skyscrapers or, as in one particularly egregious example, taller than mountains….
Mr_Rose wrote: Actually the sizes given in GW and FW studio material have been pretty consistent. It's only second and third party authors (and artists) who seem to think Titans are literal walking skyscrapers or, as in one particularly egregious example, taller than mountains….
Modern stuff, definitely. Older material from Titan Legions era and the Adeptus Titanicus era had sizes all over the place!
I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?
I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).
They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.
GoatboyBeta wrote: In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40kFW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards
Cannot find all images online but the WD preview of Adeptus Titanicus showed several prototype, unrelesead Jes Goodwin Titan designs, like these
I hope the new AT game will not be 1 Loyalist Warlord accompanied by several Reavers and Warhounds vs 1 Traitor with similiar support. One of the better things about the original game was that large amounts of Warlords fought each other. Like Battletech's Mech Lances. Turning the game into a 'Deathstar vs Deathstar unit' battle (like 2nd Ed's Titan Legions did with the Emperor and Mega Gargants) is not what made the original both spectacular and tactical.
I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(
Still hope it will be more like the original boxed set - and that it comes with plastic models
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.
Sammoth wrote: I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities. {citation needed}
No, they're not. The structure on their shoulders is the size of a (small) cathedral, not a couple of city blocks.
Sammoth wrote: I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities. {citation needed}
No, they're not. The structure on their shoulders is the size of a (small) cathedral, not a couple of city blocks.
The artwork of them is as inconsistent as the miniatures, tbh. I recall artwork that gave the impression that when walking they can easily step over a few city blocks in a single stride. Descriptions of them mounting weapons normally meant for ship combat, and that their weaponary can threaten ships in low orbit also adds to the confusion. (40k ships are "X BAWKS HUGE" after all)
I think if anything what's exciting about a forge world titanicus game is that FW care alot about keeping things in scale, so we will probably be getting the most acuret depiction we can expect of a emperor titan scale wise.
Yes and we also have art of a warlord Titan stepping over a mountain.
GW is notorious for accepting art that contradicts their own background at least as much as they are for creating an internally inconsistent background in the first place.
Since when are regular Dreads 17' tall? That's about four feet taller than a semi-trailer. Maybe a contemptor or a levithan but not Stubby McWaddle-Toes...
Sammoth wrote: I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.
yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).
A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)
Breotan wrote: Since when are regular Dreads 17' tall? That's about four feet taller than a semi-trailer. Maybe a contemptor or a levithan but not Stubby McWaddle-Toes...
Heh! I didn't notice that.
Yeah, that thing's way off. Marines/Dreads too big, bigger titans too small.
Lockark wrote: I think if anything what's exciting about a forge world titanicus game is that FW care alot about keeping things in scale, so we will probably be getting the most acuret depiction we can expect of a emperor titan scale wise.
Emperor Titan or not, I'd agree about a more consistent model scale. Even if they had not decided to go to 8mm, having models consistently scaled would make the old epic stuff look out of place at best and in many cases comically undersized.
Sammoth wrote: I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.
yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).
A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)
My main disappointment with the Warlord model is that the head is slightly too small- if it was about 1 inch larger in each dimension it would fit the epic model a bit better, and probably have room for the full crew of 5 inside, rather than just 3. The rest of the scale seems pretty close to correct compared to the other titans.
Going from the old Codex Titanicus numbers, Battle titans are 10 to 25 meters tall, with Emperors from 25 to 40. Those numbers are a bit on the short side, but still work pretty well if you count them as measuring to the shoulder, not the highest point. Dies Irae, the Emperor, is noted as 43 meters tall, which if it included the cathedral would make its body shorter than the warlord, so 43 meters to the shoulder, and another 15-20 meters of cathedral, works pretty well for an Emperor. Going by roughly those numbers, a 28mm Emperor would be somewhere like 30" to the level of the platform on the back, with another 10-15" for the upper works. And those upper works are big. In scale, it's basically like putting a realm of battle tile on the top of the titan, then adding a couple Imperial bastions and a fortress of redemption up there.
The legs holding 50 troops, that would work out OK actually. The Bastion model is supposed to hold 20 troops, and the Imperator shin bastion is pretty comparable to scaling a bastion up by 50-60% in every direction. Say 4 levels in the front with 10 men in each, and then there is a small single level section in the back that would fit the remaining 10 men. Put a pair of mauler bolt cannons at the bottom of the foot to guard the doors, then it has a battle cannon at the top of the shin as well.
I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(
I think the main point of it is that unlike the original AT game and epic series they want all the models to be properly scaled to each other. The original epic line infantry, tanks, flyers, superheavies, and Titans were all produced at different scales consistent only with the other models of the same type. The original Warlord should have been 4.5 inches tall in the 6mm scale, not 2.5 to 3 inches.
I think they have a very good idea of what they're doing. Epic battles are all about the dwarfing scope and scale of combat and when a Warlord Titan stands more than 20 times the height of a space marine that's what you get.
I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(
I think the main point of it is that unlike the original AT game and epic series they want all the models to be properly scaled to each other. The original epic line infantry, tanks, flyers, superheavies, and Titans were all produced at different scales consistent only with the other models of the same type. The original Warlord should have been 4.5 inches tall in the 6mm scale, not 2.5 to 3 inches.
I think they have a very good idea of what they're doing. Epic battles are all about the dwarfing scope and scale of combat and when a Warlord Titan stands more than 20 times the height of a space marine that's what you get.
No doubt they have a good idea what they are doing. It's just that these are going to be some expensive Titans!
How much were the forge world reaver and warhound Titans?
Aye but in 8mm a Reaver is going to be hovering around Contemptor size, and they ain't £16
I'm setting my expectations at roughly £20 for a Warhound, £40 for a Reaver, and £70 for a Warlord(Terminator Character price, Contemptor price, Leviathan price) and if they come in less than that I can be pleasantly surprised.
I hope to Christ they're not more than that, as I really want to get into this one and it will be a struggle to justify even at the rate I expect them to charge.
Yodhrin wrote: Aye but in 8mm a Reaver is going to be hovering around Contemptor size, and they ain't £16
I'm setting my expectations at roughly £20 for a Warhound, £40 for a Reaver, and £70 for a Warlord(Terminator Character price, Contemptor price, Leviathan price) and if they come in less than that I can be pleasantly surprised.
I hope to Christ they're not more than that, as I really want to get into this one and it will be a struggle to justify even at the rate I expect them to charge.
Probably about right. I hope that they'll come weaponless which would be nice. Magnets will be the order of the day then.
Either way, it's going to be expensive. I've been waiting years for this to come to fruition, so will be saving and spending silly to get myself some Legions. I plan to re-build the first Titan I made years ago: A Siege Warlord with Corvus Assault Pod, Power Ram, Gatling Blaster and Barrage Missile!
Bugger, I'm turning into a big, grinning child thinking about this game. I keep getting all giddy!
Gamgee wrote: I think they'll do the Emperor class eventually. But that might be many many years away. And once they start it will be even more years away.
They stated outright during the panel that they will not do it. Makes me wonder if the Warlord was a pain.
I'm not convinced that after the (impressive) initial flurry of sales it hasn't sold as quickly as they hoped. Yesterday Alan Merret said that the old style dreadnoughts were scrapped because the contemptors had stolen all of their sales, so they seem more aggressive about retiring models that aren't selling...
ImAGeek wrote: Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.
It doesn't?
I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!
If you were running any Primarch and 4 Dreadnoughts, I would expect it to cost a decent amount. If you are going for an affordable 30k army, this isn't the correct approach.
ImAGeek wrote: Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.
It doesn't?
I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!
A lot of people mistakenly thought it was Castellax sized and should be the Castellax price. It's the size of a Contemptor and the price of a Contemptor with weapons.
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
Some of us didn't...
cuda1179 wrote: I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?
I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).
Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.
They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.
Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
Some of us didn't...
cuda1179 wrote: I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?
I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).
Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.
They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.
Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.
zedmeister wrote: Minor news, but the Badab War books have now sold out. A 2nd Edition will probably make an appearance at some point in the unknown future
That joins the Anphelion Project then. The list of available Imperial Armour books is getting smaller.
Sammoth wrote: I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.
yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).
A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)
My main disappointment with the Warlord model is that the head is slightly too small- if it was about 1 inch larger in each dimension it would fit the epic model a bit better, and probably have room for the full crew of 5 inside, rather than just 3. The rest of the scale seems pretty close to correct compared to the other titans.
Going from the old Codex Titanicus numbers, Battle titans are 10 to 25 meters tall, with Emperors from 25 to 40. Those numbers are a bit on the short side, but still work pretty well if you count them as measuring to the shoulder, not the highest point. Dies Irae, the Emperor, is noted as 43 meters tall, which if it included the cathedral would make its body shorter than the warlord, so 43 meters to the shoulder, and another 15-20 meters of cathedral, works pretty well for an Emperor. Going by roughly those numbers, a 28mm Emperor would be somewhere like 30" to the level of the platform on the back, with another 10-15" for the upper works. And those upper works are big. In scale, it's basically like putting a realm of battle tile on the top of the titan, then adding a couple Imperial bastions and a fortress of redemption up there.
The legs holding 50 troops, that would work out OK actually. The Bastion model is supposed to hold 20 troops, and the Imperator shin bastion is pretty comparable to scaling a bastion up by 50-60% in every direction. Say 4 levels in the front with 10 men in each, and then there is a small single level section in the back that would fit the remaining 10 men. Put a pair of mauler bolt cannons at the bottom of the foot to guard the doors, then it has a battle cannon at the top of the shin as well.
Personally I like to consider the measurements in the old material as a 'witness / propaganda estimate' - just a rule of thumb based on the impression of the size and features. More detailed specs of height, how many troops it holds etc. would be established when making a proper model of the interior space needed for each part. So I don't have any problem if a titan loses a few meters in height, if it fits the general description. It's still going to be plenty huge!
I think the current generation of scifi tends to aim more towards sci-realism, anyway. 80's material was bit more about stuff made out of unobtanium and making walkers size of a skyscraper, just because. Now people prefer things that are somewhat more realistic, or at least things that are bit easier to imagine how they actually work - for example, titans powered by small nuclear reactors instead of technomagic energy. Or maybe that's just me, but then again, that flavour of gritty dystopian realism is what I've always liked in 40k.
One guy from ATT managed to get one 'specimen' of the new Barracuda. No rules yet, but he has names for the weapons:
- Main Weapon
HBC
Swiftstrike Railgun (closer in size to the HRR)
Barracuda Ion Cannon
-Wing Weapon
Long-barreled Burst Cannon
Long-barreled Cyclic Ion Blaster
TLMPs remain, as also the 4 Seeker Missiles. The curious drone-y thing at the back is a Decoy Drone - I'd guess it's some kind of defense system.
zedmeister wrote: Minor news, but the Badab War books have now sold out. A 2nd Edition will probably make an appearance at some point in the unknown future
That joins the Anphelion Project then. The list of available Imperial Armour books is getting smaller.
The Anphelion Project has only just been redone, so I'm not sure why that's not available. It must just be sold out.
Awaiting for the next batch of prints I hope. It hasn't been long out, little over a year maybe and has been out of print for a few months now? Shame if they do take it out of production...
I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.
"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.
Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."
Nionex wrote: I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.
"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.
Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."
Just thought I'd throw that information in here.
Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...
The difference being there has been a model for the Power Armor, Terminator, and Dread versions of Cullen and rules for all 4 versions, not just fluff.
Nionex wrote: I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.
"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.
Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."
Just thought I'd throw that information in here.
Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...
Given that response I'd be afraid to ask them about the new stupid flyer book and how that will affect forge world units.
Crablezworth wrote: -snip-
Given that response I'd be afraid to ask them about the new stupid flyer book and how that will affect forge world units.
Well I sent them an email about that and at least they are thinking about what to do. Sent it the week before the new flyer book was released.
"Thanks for the email, Currently we do not know what is to happen with our range of flyers regarding the new Death from the Skies supplement, We have compiled a list of email and address's and names that have asked similar questions and we will be forwarding those on to our studio and writers at the end of the week once the book has been released.
I am sure our design team will review all of the questions and issue official rules or FAQ's once they are ready.
For now we suggest that gamers design their own house ruling or use similar stats from models of the like till any official rules are issued."
H.B.M.C. wrote: Didn't IA4 just get a second edition? How can it be OOP already?
It did indeed. I'm not sure what to make of Forgeworld's bizarre e-mail response. Trouble with their suppliers? Lost The Filesâ„¢ in an office move (like last time)?
Ashiraya wrote: I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.
Some of us didn't...
cuda1179 wrote: I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?
I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).
Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.
They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.
Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.
Tim
I've only ever seen one picture of the warlord prototype, are there more?
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Another fun set of Forge World teasers! I'm liking that Moritat, and the Iron Hill Dwarves look exceptional, totally interested in the new book! Hehe, now I know how much of my soul I'm going to have to sell to get that Mastodon and Stormbird, definitely the Mastodon!
@ timd and Kid_Kyoto: What I wouldn't give to get my hands on one of those Armorcast beetle-back Warlord titan prototypes!!! Or even just to see one in person!!!
Nionex wrote: I emailed Forge World about "The Anphelion Project" getting a reprint a few weeks ago and this is the response I got.
"Thanks for the email, At the moment we cant be of much use to you as we are still waiting to hear what is happening with the Anphelion project as well, we are not sure if there will be a reprint, update and reprint or whether the book will be gone for good.
Naturally Games Workshop as a global company to not disclose pre-release information so the only way we will all find out is once any news is officially announced on our apps, webstore, stores and newsletters so keep an eye out for more information."
Just thought I'd throw that information in here.
Wow. Just when you thought GW's stupidity in running a company couldn't get any worse...
I would imagine whoever emailed you back gave you an honest answer, waiting to hear from on high if they're going to redo the book at some stage. This redo would, likely be tied in with a GW release, nids or ordo xenos or something, to maximize potential sales.
It would also depend on how that particular book sold in the first place, I know that Raid on Kastorel Novem, for example, was not a big hit and a very slow seller, so it waits in production limbo and may never receive a second incarnation (potential mental note for you collectors out there). Anphelion's sales I am unsure of, but if it also wasn't a big hit, they may not bring it back and instead concentrate on a new book with those armies in the future.
So I would not put this down to stupidity so much as, what you were told, the future of that book is uncertain. I also think that GW's stupidity, of late, has diminished a great deal, with a changing of the guard at HQ, and calling this honest answer such is not productive or accurate.
The guy that ended up buying the Imperator Prototype passed away a few years back. Having met him a couple times I was half tempted to contact his widow and ask if she was interested in selling it to someone (me) that would give her a fair price. However, I then thought that it might sound a bit tacky.
As for the Armorcast Warlords, I know there are at least 5 in existence, although at this point I think there might be a few recasts out there too. As a fair warning, there is a guy from Florida (at least he was in Florida as of 2009) attempting to sell his AC Warlord. At least two guys have paid him for it, only to have their money gone and nothing to show for it. I almost got duped as well.
They work OK in epic scale, but I much much prefer the FW reimagining of them for 28mm rather than Armorcast's straight up up scaling (which they had no choice about but still)
There is no doubt that the FW ones are better in almost every regard. The Armorcast ones were easy to assemble though, and were designed to let you swap weapons.....something FW designs lack.
I wish they would have been able to do for the titans what they did for the Baneblade. When they released the super-detailed baneblade it rivaled the detail and quality of the later released ForgeWorld variety. I've actually compared my AC baneblade to my friend's FW one. In some ways it's a little worse, but in other ways it's actually better.
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
RiTides wrote:
Please pass on what you hear, I am really curious about AT!
Just hope the prices of those awesome robots aren't an indication of AT prices...
Will do, I hope to at least ask a few questions as it is something I've long waited for. Personally, I expect the warlord will be Thanatar sized with a price to match...
Yodhrin wrote:If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
I'm just hoping they start releasing the red books in digital soon. The Mechanicum one is so much more convient, both in game terms and in not having to order it from across the pond.
Just heard that Lion El'Jonson has been said to be the next Primarch after Magnus. Is there anywhere this has been said? Apparently they mentioned it at Warhammer Fest, but I didn't see anything about it
Rygnan wrote: Just heard that Lion El'Jonson has been said to be the next Primarch after Magnus. Is there anywhere this has been said? Apparently they mentioned it at Warhammer Fest, but I didn't see anything about it
That's looking a bit too far ahead to be reliable, I would think. We know Leman Russ is next, but after that, who knows?
Magnus is confirmed after Russ, they've been saying that since the last Weekender, but I haven't heard anything about Lion except for what I read on 4chan today
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
It seems unlikely, but for what it's worth GW would likely make rules to make every miniature cross compatible. A post AoS Mordheim would be a pretty crazy place and I think could add to the setting, a weird fantasy sorta "left behind" survival thing. In the original game the city was post apocalyptic, but now the whole world is post apocalyptic.
Rygnan wrote: Just heard that Lion El'Jonson has been said to be the next Primarch after Magnus. Is there anywhere this has been said? Apparently they mentioned it at Warhammer Fest, but I didn't see anything about it
I was following the event quite closely and I didn't see that anywhere. They said that Russ is next, then probably Magnus, and then Dorn and Alpharius, when the story involves them again/more. So I suppose there is room for the Lion before them two, but I haven't seen it said anywhere.
I'd agree with that. AoS has a lot of potential for a skirmish game set in a ruined city. But with Blood bowl and Titanicus they seem to be sticking to the original background settings. So there probably going to keep it in the historical Old world.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd agree with that. AoS has a lot of potential for a skirmish game set in a ruined city. But with Blood bowl and Titanicus they seem to be sticking to the original background settings. So there probably going to keep it in the historical Old world.
With AT no-one blew up the entire galaxy and scattered the bits in the warp yet and with blood bowl it was always a sort of parallel old world, not the one that exploded. Mordheim however was always explicitly set in the core old world; you can even see references to its location in later maps, and that just doesn't exist anymore. If they went back, they'd either have to make it "historical" and explain all the old world politics and why sigmarines aren't an option, or they'd have to explain how the city mysteriously rebuilt itself and became a Realm. Depending on what they want to do with the rules and campaign stuff it might well be easier to forget the specific background of the fall of Mordheim and create generic city fighting campaign rules for AoS.
Of course since nobody in the studio has mentioned it, nor have the reliable rumour mongers, all of this is pure speculation.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I'd agree with that. AoS has a lot of potential for a skirmish game set in a ruined city. But with Blood bowl and Titanicus they seem to be sticking to the original background settings. So there probably going to keep it in the historical Old world.
With AT no-one blew up the entire galaxy and scattered the bits in the warp yet and with blood bowl it was always a sort of parallel old world, not the one that exploded. Mordheim however was always explicitly set in the core old world; you can even see references to its location in later maps, and that just doesn't exist anymore. If they went back, they'd either have to make it "historical" and explain all the old world politics and why sigmarines aren't an option, or they'd have to explain how the city mysteriously rebuilt itself and became a Realm. Depending on what they want to do with the rules and campaign stuff it might well be easier to forget the specific background of the fall of Mordheim and create generic city fighting campaign rules for AoS.
Of course since nobody in the studio has mentioned it, nor have the reliable rumour mongers, all of this is pure speculation.
I could see what GoatboyBeta means. Even when Mordheim came out it was set 500 years before the then "present day" WHFB world... so it was already in a setting out of time. AoS is still technically the same "setting" its just one step out into the cosmological and after a step forward in time.
With something like bloodbowl there's not really the opportunity to cross over into AoS like there is with WHQ or a new Mordheim.
It would seem to make sense to have it in the AoS universe to enable them to have their new factions in and release AoS rules for Mordheim releases and Mordheim rules for AoS stuff (as we're seeing now with WHQ)
Regardless of the merits for and against AoS, tbh when you break down Mordheim to its bare bones, a city ravaged in ruins, gangs fighting over the scraps.. it really fits into the outlook of the new AoS world. Might be a great way to introduce a capital city of sorts, and flesh out the lore.
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
It seems unlikely, but for what it's worth GW would likely make rules to make every miniature cross compatible. A post AoS Mordheim would be a pretty crazy place and I think could add to the setting, a weird fantasy sorta "left behind" survival thing. In the original game the city was post apocalyptic, but now the whole world is post apocalyptic.
If they miss this opportunity to throw a bone to the fans of WHF by smearing AoS cack all over one of the fondest remembered games of the last twenty years, I can't even fathom how depressed and angry that would make me, especially as they seem to grasp how stupid an idea it is with Bloodbowl.
If they insist on making the actual movement and combat rules on the tabletop similar so it can serve as a gateway game, fine, I'll live with it, but keep that utter gak away from the setting.
EDIT: Honestly I would rather it never even got made, if some sad AoS-ified imitation is all that's on offer.
Vorian wrote: With something like bloodbowl there's not really the opportunity to cross over into AoS like there is with WHQ or a new Mordheim.
It would seem to make sense to have it in the AoS universe to enable them to have their new factions in and release AoS rules for Mordheim releases and Mordheim rules for AoS stuff (as we're seeing now with WHQ)
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
It seems unlikely, but for what it's worth GW would likely make rules to make every miniature cross compatible. A post AoS Mordheim would be a pretty crazy place and I think could add to the setting, a weird fantasy sorta "left behind" survival thing. In the original game the city was post apocalyptic, but now the whole world is post apocalyptic.
Yeah I would really love an AoS-ified Mordheim. There's nothing stopping the atmosphere and mood from being the same, they just get more possibilities to play with. It would also mean he opportunity to use some sweet AoS models in a true skirmish game. Really hope this is what they do.
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
It seems unlikely, but for what it's worth GW would likely make rules to make every miniature cross compatible. A post AoS Mordheim would be a pretty crazy place and I think could add to the setting, a weird fantasy sorta "left behind" survival thing. In the original game the city was post apocalyptic, but now the whole world is post apocalyptic.
Yeah I would really love an AoS-ified Mordheim. There's nothing stopping the atmosphere and mood from being the same, they just get more possibilities to play with. It would also mean he opportunity to use some sweet AoS models in a true skirmish game. Really hope this is what they do.
I don't get that though. I'm not having a go, I'm genuinely curious; what does an AoS-ified Mordheim offer you that AoS doesn't?
AoS is already a skirmish game, you can already play it at small model counts, you're already getting detailed campaign rules, Path to Glory already offers a progression system, and you can already use Sigmarines in it if you want to.
Any new content over and above that which would be offered by a "Nu-heim" game would be trivial and that tiny gain for you would come at the expense of a lot of gain for everyone who's not excited by GW's current fantasy offerings but would really appreciate a little bit of the Old World being brought back.
I actually really like the idea a few posts back of the same city, curses and warpstone and gold and all, but in the AoS setting. No need to explicitly refer to it as Mordhiem, but a story revolving around the legendary Lost City, whispered of across the realms as a place of great treasure and even greater treasure from the World Before, a myth for some, an obsession for others, a deathtrap for all... That could be pretty cool. A nice link back to the Old World, while still keeping it relevant and allowing it to evolve in the new (and I think much more interesting) setting.
That said, I don't need any reference to Mordheim of old whatsoever, I'd be fine with a small scale, well written narrative skirmish game, doubly so if it comes with a big box chock full of lovely minis like Silver Tower (although definitely more towards the tabletop rather than board game end of the spectrum, no tiles, free movement, customisable bands/characters ect)
Paradigm wrote: I actually really like the idea a few posts back of the same city, curses and warpstone and gold and all, but in the AoS setting. No need to explicitly refer to it as Mordhiem, but a story revolving around the legendary Lost City, whispered of across the realms as a place of great treasure and even greater treasure from the World Before, a myth for some, an obsession for others, a deathtrap for all... That could be pretty cool. A nice link back to the Old World, while still keeping it relevant and allowing it to evolve in the new (and I think much more interesting) setting.
That said, I don't need any reference to Mordheim of old whatsoever, I'd be fine with a small scale, well written narrative skirmish game, doubly so if it comes with a big box chock full of lovely minis like Silver Tower (although definitely more towards the tabletop rather than board game end of the spectrum, no tiles, free movement, customisable bands/characters ect)
Again though, your second paragraph is describing AoS post-"three ways to play" thingy, if that's what you want you have it already, there's no need to appropriate a Mordheim remake which will probably be the only chance of seeing anything from the WFB setting for a decade at least.
It just seems a touch selfish tbh; we get a small glimmer of hope that there's a chance of a possibility that the FW/SG guys might throw Oldhammer fans a bone, and the AoS fans immediately begin hoping that it instead becomes yet another product catered to them instead. You've got AoS, you've got Path to Glory, you've got WHQ:ST, you're getting this General's Compendium thing - is Mordheim, a product inextricably tied to its setting, staying Mordheim really too much to ask for the rest of us?
zedmeister wrote: Forge world Open Day tickets up as well. I've decided to grab myself one - first open day for me.
Want to collar them on Adeptus Titanicus and to try to grab Imperial Armour 14 if it's available.
If you run into anyone related to the SG team, could you pressure them to find out if the eventual Mordheim reboot is going to actually be Mordheim, setting & all, or if it's going to be like WHQ:ST, a "spiritual successor" in the AoS setting?
It seems unlikely, but for what it's worth GW would likely make rules to make every miniature cross compatible. A post AoS Mordheim would be a pretty crazy place and I think could add to the setting, a weird fantasy sorta "left behind" survival thing. In the original game the city was post apocalyptic, but now the whole world is post apocalyptic.
Yeah I would really love an AoS-ified Mordheim. There's nothing stopping the atmosphere and mood from being the same, they just get more possibilities to play with. It would also mean he opportunity to use some sweet AoS models in a true skirmish game. Really hope this is what they do.
I don't get that though. I'm not having a go, I'm genuinely curious; what does an AoS-ified Mordheim offer you that AoS doesn't?
AoS is already a skirmish game, you can already play it at small model counts, you're already getting detailed campaign rules, Path to Glory already offers a progression system, and you can already use Sigmarines in it if you want to.
Any new content over and above that which would be offered by a "Nu-heim" game would be trivial and that tiny gain for you would come at the expense of a lot of gain for everyone who's not excited by GW's current fantasy offerings but would really appreciate a little bit of the Old World being brought back.
None of those things (AoS/PtG) are Mordheim/Necromunda though. The rules, be they in-game or post-game, aren't similar at all. I really doubt the campaign rules will include detailed character progression for individual models. The setting of Mordheim isn't that unique though and it could easily be transferred to AoS without losing anything. It would also have the added benefit of allowing cross-compatibility for AoS models, which a revived Oldheim would not (at least not for newer models). If you want the old Mordheim back, you can still play it, I know I still play Necromunda!
Also I sort of love the idea of setting it in a city inspired by Sigil from Planescape, which would make complete sense in AoS (although I would be fine with retaining the classic style setting).
TBH its a fairly moot point for me as baring a major feth up with the game Titanicus is going to be taking all my moneys anyway The chevron stencils on the IW brass etch are a nice touch. I wonder if its some thing they might expand on in the future?
I want all these games, but I really hope they take their time. They need to be good and most of our wallets will need time to heal after the mass exodus of money.
You might have noticed that tickets for the Forge World Open Day 2016 are on sale now. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the fantastic new books and models that were talked about at Warhammer Fest will be on show at the Open Day, you might even be able to get your hands on a few of them ahead of them being availabe on the web store.
So what was shown off at Warhammer Fest? Here’s two of my favourites that were shown on the day…
The Mastodon is huge! It’ll be carrying your troops and dreadnoughts into battle soon.
The Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List collects together all of the units available to any Space Marine Legion – and this collector’s edition looks amazing!
Definitely getting the new limited black book. Hope they release a 4 book limited set with slipcase: Taghmata, Crusade List, Age of Darkness Legions and Imperialis book
Yeah, we are likely to see all the legion special weapons eventually.
Power Glaives for white scars.
Assault Cannons for termies
Terranic great swords.
power daggers most likely
and other stuff.
Yeah, from Warhammer Fest. New weapons for my DG hopefully come soon. That w/the recent shoulder pads for plastic Cataphractii will make a nice addition from the BaC box set for my legion.
The power spears and chain glaives look excellent, too.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah, we are likely to see all the legion special weapons eventually.
Power Glaives for white scars.
Assault Cannons for termies
Terranic great swords.
power daggers most likely
and other stuff.
I wonder how FW will pull off the styling of the terranic greatswords. We have some weapons in 40k proper that are just really big swords and they get the job done, but DA specific models have a lot of places they can go IMO.
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the skull is wearing a hard hat, awesome. I so need to print a bunch of those out on small stickers to attach to fortifications.
If there is anything that I've learned from the Black Library novels, it's that the Iron Warriors favorite battle cry is "Safety first!". That was of course preheresy though so Perturabo may have changed things in the meantime.
Well that was sure fast. Took a few minutes to think about buying "Snake" Stranski since he's so cheap, already sold out. Not a terrible loss since his rules are bad and he doesn't fit my DKoK army, but it would be nice if "last chance to buy" didn't involve camping on the page at 5am every night just in case something goes OOP.
zedmeister wrote: Argh, may need to get that Mk IV Ironclad dreadnought talon sooner rather than later...
The impression to me has been they are getting rid of the less popular and post-heresy dread options. GW has the 40k dreads so covered with plastic kits, i Imagen it's starting to get hard to justify the line.
They should of given boxnaughts 30k only options, then people would be buying the FW ones agien.
The impression to me has been they are getting rid of the less popular and post-heresy dread options. GW has the 40k dreads so covered with plastic kits, i Imagen it's starting to get hard to justify the line.
They should of given boxnaughts 30k only options, then people would be buying the FW ones agien.
Oh, definitely. Sticking two Power Claws and Graviton Guns on them is quite a cheap and nasty option. Graviton Cannons and Volkite options would have been really nice heresy era upgrades as well. The flamestorm cannon version is also pretty decent and, again, cheap. I've seen a few games where they tend to get ignored for being what they are and run up and BBQ large tactical squads!
Also, with Fire of Cyraxus coming soon, I'm tempted to actually get my long ambition of a Sons of Medusa/AdMech unholy alliance started. Decisions...
CragHack wrote: Oh, I wonder what's the reason for last chanceing Deldar Raven. New model, maybe?
Low sales would be my guess. The rules are garbage and DE have some fairly popular plastic flyer kits. Unfortunately FW doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to acknowledge) that good or bad rules have a significant impact on the popularity of a model.
CragHack wrote: Oh, I wonder what's the reason for last chanceing Deldar Raven. New model, maybe?
Not really the same design aesthetic as the rest of the army anymore is it? That was very much based on the 3rd ed Dark Eldar stuff.
Had the DE aesthetic changed that much in the latest reboot? A lot of the CSM model line goes all the way back to 3rd and the only thing off about anything is some scaling issues IMO
CragHack wrote: Oh, I wonder what's the reason for last chanceing Deldar Raven. New model, maybe?
Not really the same design aesthetic as the rest of the army anymore is it? That was very much based on the 3rd ed Dark Eldar stuff.
Had the DE aesthetic changed that much in the latest reboot? A lot of the CSM model line goes all the way back to 3rd and the only thing off about anything is some scaling issues IMO
Dark Eldar changed a fair bit with their reboot yeah. Every single kit was redone.
angelofvengeance wrote: Not really the same design aesthetic as the rest of the army anymore is it? That was very much based on the 3rd ed Dark Eldar stuff.
Completely unsurprised that it's being binned. It looks as dated as the original Dark Eldar models.
Peregrine wrote:Unfortunately FW doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to acknowledge) that good or bad rules have a significant impact on the popularity of a model.
Indeed. The very ancient Whirlwind Hyperios kit (now last chance to buy) is a perfect example. Pay all those points for a single twin linked, interceptor, skyfire Krak missile? Pass....
To be fair, the rocket Sentinel is probably by far the easiest FW Sentinel to convert- a plastic GW Sentinel plus plastic Valkyrie rocket pod is most of the required components.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why that Necron cannon, but not the other two?
They have probably stopped producing all three, and this is the one that is a bit more popular than the others, or had less stock remaining overall, and is therefore running out of stock a little sooner. The others will probably appear over the next few months.
The plasma annihilation-of-whatever-you-point-it-at-device looks really awesome so does the claw even if I'm not entirely sure what he expects to reach with that hand
If only that faceplate weren't that hideous...
Way too retro for my taste.
BrookM wrote: From Facebook, nothing new, but still fun:
Aww now that's just cute
Also, what is so practical about the Warlord titan? I appreciate its existence; it is a nice kit and a fine bit of casting, but how does one use it? Does one need a special box? How does one move it without tipping it over? Its like 2 ft tall isn't it? That's not much of a miniature.
SUPREMELY DESTRUCTIVE
Tau KX139 Ta’unar Supremacy Armour already carries an impressive array of weapons. But what to do if you need even more long range destruction? This year at Warhammer Fest a new missile-array for the Supremacy Armour was on show. Feast your eyes…
The Imposing KX139 towers over even Imperial Knights.
These weapons were meant to hunt massive foe!
If you were lucky enough to get a ticket for the Forge World Open Day then I hear you might be able to get hold of this mighty weapon system. Don’t worry though; it’ll be available on the Forge World web store soon afterwards.
And if you do have a ticket for the Forge World Open Day, you have until Monday 11th July to place an order for collection at the event with free shipping. Just make sure you’ve selected the UK as your shipping destination and choose the Forge World Open Day from the list of events.
And here I am waiting on something as simple as transfers that have been previewed. In September! At least you know Dorn requires sculpting and casting. Transfers? Just printing!
And here I am waiting on something as simple as transfers that have been previewed. In September! At least you know Dorn requires sculpting and casting. Transfers? Just printing!
And here I am waiting on something as simple as transfers that have been previewed. In September! At least you know Dorn requires sculpting and casting. Transfers? Just printing!
And yet every place where a gun could possibly go, there is one. It never ends.
Not at all! They have clearly established that big guns can have smaller ones attached, so there's clearly room to add a bunch of burst cannon arrays to those giant missile launchers…
That and the FW show exclusive miniature have looked a bit off, certainly not the best way to showcase Forge World to solely GW customers (as few as those may be).
zedmeister wrote: Nice builder idea. Hopefully they'll keep that around for AT. Also, note the magnet. Good to see Forgeworld supporting magnets by design. Nice touch
I wouldn't trust that magnet to not fall off at the slightest bump of the table, and crush whatever is under it. It would probably be good for a show model though, so you can swap weapons to try to sell the big mama jama.
Really looking forward to seeing these in 8mm scale Have FW dropped the two different grades of plasma weaponry(the exact names escape me ATM) available to the Warlord, or could there be bigger things to come?
I kind of want a head just to model a piece of terrain out of it. Does anyone know how big the head is? Ideally it'd be bunker-sized but I'm not sure...
MacMuckles wrote: I kind of want a head just to model a piece of terrain out of it. Does anyone know how big the head is? Ideally it'd be bunker-sized but I'm not sure...
Well this is it compared to the Princeps (the Mars pattern head but they'd be similar sized):
I wonder if this is a taster to see of FW stuff sells well in store. Would be awesome if they started selling the product line in store, even if it was just in limited numbers.
I still think the Mars Beta head is the best, but I am sad it doesn't come with a Princeps on foot like the other two. I got the show only model at least, but still.
Considering "Principessa" is the feminine version of "Princeps" and the words "Prince" and "Princess" are derived from these very Latin roots, it's not that far off TBH.
For interest- FW have now set up a Warlord Titan builder page so you can pimp yo' ride without having to mess about as much.
Just click on the various cog symbols on the Titan pic and choose your bits
I wonder if this is a taster to see of FW stuff sells well in store. Would be awesome if they started selling the product line in store, even if it was just in limited numbers.
Would be nice, but I doubt it will happen without major changes.
As it currently stands they cannot even keep one store stocked, even warhamer world has you often ordering stuff via the computer to come by mail at a later date.
I think the limited edition FW miniature is the signal that FW products are coming for real into the GW stores. How they would sell them is another question.
plastictrees wrote: Any better pics of the princess? Looks a bit goofy in a 2nd edition giant headed marine way.
most amusing autocorrect! Titans are now piloted by princesses
Considering all the other augmentation and surgery they go through, becoming a 'princepssa' is just one extra snip in the process
Maybe it's done to improve their performance - if you are piloting a gigantic war machine locked into a throne for days at a time, the last thing you want distracting you is a bad case of itch down there!
I don't think there's any way FW is coming to regular GW stores. They'd have to outsource production in order to keep up and I don't see them doing that again.
Yaraton wrote: I think the limited edition FW miniature is the signal that FW products are coming for real into the GW stores. How they would sell them is another question.
It would certainly make sense for them to aim for this, they would however, need to make an enormous step up in production, to make it happen currently.
I personally think its just trying to get more people from GW into the more expensive FW stuff, its not really advertised that much in some GW stores.
It might also be a way to just get people into GW stores.
Especially with the recent openings of stores in the US. The 100th Store mini sold out pretty quick (as did the 30th anniversary Space Marine).
Once you walk into a store, they can hook you with a few small purchases in addition to the special marine and hopefully you come back?
If they release a special mini in GW store only every couple months, people keep flocking to the store for the special mini and they get a few extra sales.
I don't know if it is accurate, or cost effective, but it is what I have been thinking with all of these GW store only releases.
I wonder if this is a taster to see of FW stuff sells well in store. Would be awesome if they started selling the product line in store, even if it was just in limited numbers.
Would be nice, but I doubt it will happen without major changes.
As it currently stands they cannot even keep one store stocked, even warhamer world has you often ordering stuff via the computer to come by mail at a later date.
Yeah they currently produce in quite a small scale don't they? But even if it's just opening up the possibility of free delivery to stores that would be something. And as others suggest, it will get people into the stores.
Weren't the plastic Horus heresy models supposed to be a way of reducing the demand on FW? Maybe we are going to see more of the really popular kits in plastic, leaving them to focus on the rest of their product line, and this will then allow them to cope with the increase in demand that will come from being able to order into stores.
Free delivery to GWs would get me going more for sure.
Re GWs stocking FW, I also don't think so. My local (Portsmouth) isn't the biggest store but it is much larger then some I've been to & they have trouble stocking everything as it is.
bubber wrote: Free delivery to GWs would get me going more for sure.
Re GWs stocking FW, I also don't think so. My local (Portsmouth) isn't the biggest store but it is much larger then some I've been to & they have trouble stocking everything as it is.
I'd also buy a lot more off them if it could be delivered to store Really hope they adopt this policy soon as would like to raid the Fantasy stuff they have before it goes Last Chance!!
The fact they take PayPal has probably netted them a fair few sales from me....it's far easier to make drunken impulse purchases late in a Saturday if you don't need to input your card details :p
If FW was to come to GW stores, my local GW store manager is gonna be p****d as he doesnt allow FW in ANYTHING
ANYTHING
Not even FW Chapter Tactics....
They don't here either. It doesn't net the store any income as far as Rountree is concerned, so the store's future is in danger if people start buying FW instead of models from them.
Januine wrote: A GW store and he won't allow any FW in..... Gotta ask .....why??
1.Hes the only Employee, so he tries to maximize sales (So people coming in dont see a FW model and think of buying that instead of a GW product from the store)
2. He still thinks its the old days when everyone thought FW was OP 3. Not everyone owns FW, so best to keep it out for balance (even if it was SoB fighting Tau, where FW would increase their chances of winning)
4.He Focus' too much on AoS
The Problems this Causes
1.Most of us play with FW/30k, This is Frustrating as we have to organize seperate places for us to play
2. Can't really discuss FW stuff to him, as he doesnt know anything about it, so we cant have suggestions for conversions ect using GW products
3. As said before, if you're facing an OP army (Tau, Necrons) with and UP army (SoB, Orks) it makes you want to offer your soul to Khorne
4. There is No variety, fighting basic armies with no cool models gets boring
5.Have to travel further to play FW in a GW store, sure its only 5 miles further in a different direction (still takes the same time on the bus) but i shouldnt have to do that, and even then the Store Manager of the other GW store still thinks FW is OP (despite the fact that there are several necron and tau players that use OP formations and Detachments in 1000 point games) and tries to make you buy stuff ALL THE TIME (its annoying)
6.If an Apocalypse/Large Game pops up, No FW makes it not worth going to, so us FW/30k players have to organize our own game(s) (who doesnt want to see Calgar,Lysander and a C'tan fight a Primarch whilst 3 Stompas are fighting 5 Shadowswords?)
7.Because he Focus' on AoS, a 40k game/tourny/whatever doesnt pop up often, whereas AoS ones do (and even then the points above explain why the 40k games are not that good as well)
Januine wrote: A GW store and he won't allow any FW in..... Gotta ask .....why??
1.Hes the only Employee, so he tries to maximize sales (So people coming in dont see a FW model and think of buying that instead of a GW product from the store)
2. He still thinks its the old days when everyone thought FW was OP 3. Not everyone owns FW, so best to keep it out for balance (even if it was SoB fighting Tau, where FW would increase their chances of winning)
4.He Focus' too much on AoS
The Problems this Causes
1.Most of us play with FW/30k, This is Frustrating as we have to organize seperate places for us to play
2. Can't really discuss FW stuff to him, as he doesnt know anything about it, so we cant have suggestions for conversions ect using GW products
3. As said before, if you're facing an OP army (Tau, Necrons) with and UP army (SoB, Orks) it makes you want to offer your soul to Khorne
4. There is No variety, fighting basic armies with no cool models gets boring
5.Have to travel further to play FW in a GW store, sure its only 5 miles further in a different direction (still takes the same time on the bus) but i shouldnt have to do that, and even then the Store Manager of the other GW store still thinks FW is OP (despite the fact that there are several necron and tau players that use OP formations and Detachments in 1000 point games) and tries to make you buy stuff ALL THE TIME (its annoying)
6.If an Apocalypse/Large Game pops up, No FW makes it not worth going to, so us FW/30k players have to organize our own game(s) (who doesnt want to see Calgar,Lysander and a C'tan fight a Primarch whilst 3 Stompas are fighting 5 Shadowswords?)
7.Because he Focus' on AoS, a 40k game/tourny/whatever doesnt pop up often, whereas AoS ones do (and even then the points above explain why the 40k games are not that good as well)
It just gets annoying sometimes...
He sounds like a pillock, since your lucky enough to have another GW nearby, I'd vote with your feet and go to that one instead.
commander dante wrote: If FW was to come to GW stores, my local GW store manager is gonna be p****d as he doesnt allow FW in ANYTHING
ANYTHING
Not even FW Chapter Tactics....
I wouldn't let you play the FW Chapter Tactics in a random pickup game, personally. And I say that as someone with a Raptor army.
Why? Because even with the FAQ, you're still looking at being at least two books out of date. Things are wildly different in terms of how Chapter Tactics work now, most notably the fact that Chapter Tactics has a very real effect on how/what Doctrines you can use.
That said...
1.Hes the only Employee, so he tries to maximize sales (So people coming in dont see a FW model and think of buying that instead of a GW product from the store)
Yeah...there's an alternative reason for this as well.
I've never had an issue with FW stuff and discussing it locally at my GW. The issue comes up when someone decides they are going to chime in about buying stuff via recasters...of which there's a very large market for FW recast stuff.
2. He still thinks its the old days when everyone thought FW was OP
Has he actually said that? Because I've seen this one used by GW employees, store tourney organizers, everyone as just a simple way to keep the whiners who think FW is broken quiet.
3. Not everyone owns FW, so best to keep it out for balance (even if it was SoB fighting Tau, where FW would increase their chances of winning)
I'm actually in agreement on this one. Not everyone is familiar with the books, and there's a lot of people running around using scans/PDFs of questionable origins or something like Battlescribe rather than actually having the book on hand. Nothing is more annoying than finding out later that someone was, for all intents and purposes, cheating thanks to them not actually knowing how things worked.
Actually I really really want it as well... And I'm nowhere near UK :( anyone know the price and if there have instances in the past of dakkaites helping each other out to get these event exclusives?
