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Post by: Reaperbryan
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
The Bones minis are really good, but there's only 16 of them. This purports to add 30 more.
The $100 level is 67 figures right now, the 60 level is 30 figures.
CHeck it out!
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Post by: Cyporiean
Backed at the $100 level.
I own a few of the metals of these new bones, but I can always use more.. and I was planning on buying a swarm of Bones Kobolds anyway.
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Post by: ruff
god I hate being broke.. LMAO..
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Post by: kenshin620
The bone stuff is really tasty imo, wish I could back this!
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Post by: malfred
This makes me think of an advent calendar.
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Post by: Schmapdi
I'm a big fan of the Bones material, and I love Reaper and am always happy to see another company move away from metal.
But I think I am finally reaching my Mini-company Kickstarter fatigue point...
Not that I won't be kicking in if I can - I posted on the Reaper boards for a ~$20ish "Pick your 6 favorite Bones minis" or something to that effect. I honestly don't want them all - even if 30 minis+ for $60 is ridiculously cheap.
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Post by: Oakenshield
It's a really good deal. I'm pretty sure that quite a few of those are pretty large pieces. I'm not going to be contributing since I don't really have any use for any of the models. If they do something similar with the chronoscope line I think I'd have to jump on that.
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Post by: Grot 6
Thats one of the best deals I've seen in a long time.\\
100 bucks for all of that? OH YEAH!!!!  
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Post by: Azazelx
Oh god, another one?
Also, this.
Schmapdi wrote:I'm a big fan of the Bones material, and I love Reaper and am always happy to see another company move away from metal.
But I think I am finally reaching my Mini-company Kickstarter fatigue point...
Not that I won't be kicking in if I can - I posted on the Reaper boards for a ~$20ish "Pick your 6 favorite Bones minis" or something to that effect. I honestly don't want them all - even if 30 minis+ for $60 is ridiculously cheap.
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Post by: bbb
I hope this goes well for them. None of those models are ones I'm excited to see get the bones treatment, but I hope they can have a good run and convert more and more of their models over to Bones.
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Post by: Necros
Would love to back but I'm totally tapped out right now thanks to sedition wars and dropzone commander and dust warfare and 40k 6th ed.
Time to buy another powerball ticket...
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Post by: Grot 6
Can anyone discuss the techincal aspect of the material? Is this resin?
What about the paint jobs to them? It says that you don't have to prime them, but if you did, would it melt the material?
How does it take to the glue?
And finally, after the paint jobs, people usually clearcoat them, does the clear coat do anything to the material?
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Grot 6 wrote:Can anyone discuss the techincal aspect of the material? Is this resin?
What about the paint jobs to them? It says that you don't have to prime them, but if you did, would it melt the material?
How does it take to the glue?
And finally, after the paint jobs, people usually clearcoat them, does the clear coat do anything to the material?
I can! They are Vinyl plastic, which is technically a resin, by definition, but really it's more like a Heroclick in durability, etc.
We have not found any primers that have adverse effects upon the figures, Testor's Dullcote as well as Krylon and similar clear enamels also work fine as sealants.
They take Superglue very well, as one of the first tests we made on the material was how easy they were to perform weapon swaps etc.
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Post by: bbb
Funded! Good job, Reaper 
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Post by: kenshin620
$70k goal are the Firegiants
Though these are available for vampire/undertakers only for an add on right now
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Post by: SilverMK2
If I played any kind of dungeon based games I would jump on the $100 level (and curse you American rip-off international shipping!).
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Post by: adamsouza
I'm in the same boat. Great figures, great deal, no use for them at the moment.
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Post by: kronk
I'd be all over the $100 deal if GenCon wasn't around the corner and I wasn't already swimming in unpainted miniatures...
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Post by: SilverMK2
Hmmm... just looked at the zoomed in bones set and may have to start saving up some money for the $100 set even though I have no real use for it and too many unpainted models/stuff 
And why is it another $20 shipping to send the 30 "dungeon attack" models and sophie on top of the $5 shipping listed for the $60 set of bones models? :S
Surely the weight and size cannot be that much different...
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Post by: czakk
SilverMK2 wrote:Hmmm... just looked at the zoomed in bones set and may have to start saving up some money for the $100 set even though I have no real use for it and too many unpainted models/stuff
And why is it another $20 shipping to send the 30 "dungeon attack" models and sophie on top of the $5 shipping listed for the $60 set of bones models? :S
Surely the weight and size cannot be that much different...
I don't know for certain, but if they are using USPS for international shipping, there is a huge price jump once you hit a certain weight or dimensions.
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Post by: Myrthe
WOW !! They met their funding goal in ONE DAY !!!!
This is going to be a fun ride !!
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Post by: SilverMK2
Well, I went for the $65 Mummy pack with international shipping. Could not justify to myself spending $120 for the next level up. Though I really want the fire Giants if it gets to $70k I still could not justify $130 just to get them 
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Post by: Azazelx
SilverMK2 wrote:Hmmm... just looked at the zoomed in bones set and may have to start saving up some money for the $100 set even though I have no real use for it and too many unpainted models/stuff
And why is it another $20 shipping to send the 30 "dungeon attack" models and sophie on top of the $5 shipping listed for the $60 set of bones models? :S
Surely the weight and size cannot be that much different...
I'm hoping it's because the $100 level (Vampire) is where they will be loading up the stretch goal extras/freebies. A smart move to have the shipping able to cover it up front, before they add more stuff. Otherwise, yeah, it's a bit excessive. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just noticed - the silhouette of the Purple Worm (in red) is included in the Vampire bannerhead. The Purple Worm is not included in that pledge level right now. Adding the existing models is an easy way to "add value" to the existing pledge levels - and going by the CMON campaigns, $100 seems to be the "sweet spot" that they aim to get as many people up to.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
scipio.au wrote:Just noticed - the silhouette of the Purple Worm (in red) is included in the Vampire bannerhead. The Purple Worm is not included in that pledge level right now.
If you look back through the various levels the red icons are used to sort of denote what a reward is. The Purple Worm is used to denote the Dungeon Attack Pack. The fighter guy with the big axe is used to denote the 30 new bones figures. Sophie on the bike denotes Sophie on the bike. So - if you follow the icons you get the attack pack, the 30 new bones and Sophie on the Bike (it appears to be the regular Sophie on a Bike since the Urban Legend version has a UL in the middle of its icon).
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Post by: Reaperbryan
SilverMK2 wrote:Hmmm... just looked at the zoomed in bones set and may have to start saving up some money for the $100 set even though I have no real use for it and too many unpainted models/stuff
And why is it another $20 shipping to send the 30 "dungeon attack" models and sophie on top of the $5 shipping listed for the $60 set of bones models? :S
Surely the weight and size cannot be that much different...
Any of those 3 alone is $5, which combines to $15, plus we added in a little for the stretch goals that we anticipate. Note also we're not asking for extra money added for shipping the Fire Giant Option - those will be part of the $25 for Vampire Shipping, making an Overseas Vampire with that option $135. This applies to future stretch and Option goals, as well.
I hope that helps.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Don't worry Reaper - I can see where you are coming from, I just can never figure out why it is so much more to post from the US to the UK than from the UK to the US
I wish you all the best - love the Reaper minis and have a few myself (I put in an order over Christmas to get the Burbon Street Sophie). Unfortunately this kickstarter has come along at a point where my funds are not the best and so for me personally to pledge enough to get the fire giants (the items I really want - may have to save up and get them at a later date ) there would have to be lots of extra stuff at the $100 level (and as others have said that does seem to be the case for lots of kickstarters) for me to raid the back of the sofa and give up food for a while and pledge the extra
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Post by: Reaperbryan
SilverMK2 wrote:Don't worry Reaper - I can see where you are coming from, I just can never figure out why it is so much more to post from the US to the UK than from the UK to the US
I wish you all the best - love the Reaper minis and have a few myself (I put in an order over Christmas to get the Burbon Street Sophie). Unfortunately this kickstarter has come along at a point where my funds are not the best and so for me personally to pledge enough to get the fire giants (the items I really want - may have to save up and get them at a later date ) there would have to be lots of extra stuff at the $100 level (and as others have said that does seem to be the case for lots of kickstarters) for me to raid the back of the sofa and give up food for a while and pledge the extra
All stretch goals add to the Vampire level, there are none planned to stack with any lower level.
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Post by: scarletsquig
New $90k stretch goal revealed - 10 free Undead (mix of skeletons and zombies) for everyone.
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Post by: Bolognesus
which explains why it doesn't seem like a very good deal -- yet.
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Post by: Slinky
I've backed this at the vampire level.
I don't really know why as I don't currently play any games these could be used for, but Kickstarter is funny like that 
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Post by: odinsgrandson
Schmapdi wrote:I'm a big fan of the Bones material, and I love Reaper and am always happy to see another company move away from metal.
I don't expect Reaper to be 'moving away from metal' just yet. Reaper has introduced new lines before, and they tend to keep the old ones even when they're becoming redundant (like the P65 heavy metal miniatures).
Although, I've been pretty impressed by their plastics.
I see it as something like Sedition Wars or Zombicide only without the game. Which might mean that they break the current records for minis for $100 (Sedition Wars ended with 100 minis, and I think Zombicide ended up with 112?). But Reaper is starting out a little higher, and I could totally see them breaking 120 towards the end.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
ThomasPolder wrote:which explains why it doesn't seem like a very good deal -- yet.
71 models for $100 isn't a good deal?
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Post by: Bolognesus
Sorry, I agree it's a lot of plastic. I might have been a bit harsh, haha!
It's mainly a lot of plastic which most of us will only use some part of (e.g. we'd be buying a lot of models we won't use - actual personal value does depend on this!) though.
I think for example the Ghast pack is fantastic value (and I'm pledging for that already) - not because of its price per model but because I have a use for all of it (would love to add that $90K stretch content to Ghast for a reasonable surcharge, more stuff I'd actually use!).
sorry, it might have been a rather subjective call
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Post by: Reaperbryan
ThomasPolder wrote:Sorry, I agree it's a lot of plastic. I might have been a bit harsh, haha!
It's mainly a lot of plastic which most of us will only use some part of (e.g. we'd be buying a lot of models we won't use - actual personal value does depend on this!) though.
I think for example the Ghast pack is fantastic value (and I'm pledging for that already) - not because of its price per model but because I have a use for all of it (would love to add that $90K stretch content to Ghast for a reasonable surcharge, more stuff I'd actually use!).
sorry, it might have been a rather subjective call
No harm. I was just confused. Thanks for your support!
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Post by: Vain
Well I don't plan on using all of those minis, but that is fine coz i am going splitsville with a friend of mine who has differing tastes (damn Elf-fondler)
So I am hoping the extra Stretch Goals that are met really boost the $100 point (well $125 for us Aussies)
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Post by: Schmapdi
He makes a really good point though - of the original 30, there's maybe 10 I really want., but no way to get them without also getting 20 I don't really want.
Further, it seems in order to partake in any of the stretch goals (Like the awesome tasty fire giants) I have to get another 36 I (+ a girl on a motorcycle) that I don't. That's just a lot of minis to have to take on to get a relative few that I'd actually reall want.
I wish you'd move to a Mantic-like system where:
a) I could only buy what I wanted of the original 30 (say 5 for $15 or 10 for $30)
b) I could add any of the completed stretch goals to my pledge for $10-15.
c) Any freebies would be based on how much I spent total, without having to choose a specific pledge.
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Post by: SilverMK2
I'd go with that, though I can see why they don't do it that way.
As well as the cost, I don't really have any use or want for any of the extra stuff at the $125 pledge level over the $65 level - and I'm not going to spend 125 so I can get the giants for an extra 10 (essentially making them 70 dollars) - the only stretch goals I'm currently interested in.
I can't really afford to do that - it would be a real stretch for me to be able to afford this and at the moment it would take a lot more to push me into fronting more money. Indeed, it is likely that I will not be putting in more than 65, despite being willing to pay a premium for the giants based on that pledge level (though obviously if I can get them for 10 that would be even better ).
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Post by: Bolognesus
...ookay $10 for that dragon is pretty damn good.
could international backers perhaps forgo the sophie on bike model to pay for shipping? I know it's a stretch but worth a shot
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Crazy thing is that once it goes into production - that Dragon probably won't be too much more than that (maybe $20 - but still).
I have the metal version and also the metal version of the Purple Worm (MSRP $2.99 in Bones) and the dragon probably weighs about twice the worm. If past practices hold with them - it should put the dragon around $10-15 MSRP in Bones. Add in a little more because the dragons come with the special plastic box now.
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Post by: Bolognesus
that gun case, you mean?
I suppose it's filled with something custom to pack the dragon and you don't get foam to make it into a paint case with it right?
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'd presonally really like a $XYZ pledge level, that auto includes all of the stretch goals... rather then having to constantly keep adding $10 to my Vampire level.
Mainly because I feel like i'm getting nickle and dimed to death with these "Add $10 for Awesome Figure!"
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Post by: scarletsquig
@Reaper - I was gonna pledge $10 on this for the dragon, but then I realised it was for vampire level and above only.
So, I'll give this a miss, I don't have a lot of use for the basic $100 for 30 sculpts + dungeon attack deal, there are a few nice ones that I'd use in there, but I'd never use/ paint the bulk of them. Plus, I'm not all that fussed about getting the expensive resin 54mm Sophie.
If I could just throw in $10 for that dragon, I'd be dead happy.
This is just from a wargamers perspective, I don't go for random selections of heroes, and tend towards wanting to buy units.
It would be nice to have a "wargamer-friendly" option at around the $100 mark that unlocks all the goodies.
Something like:
- No resin Sophie
- 30 kobolds
- 30 goblins
- 30 skeletons
- 20 orcs
..and nothing else, would be a HUGE hit amongst the wargaming crowd. Maybe a $109 level so that you can say "110 minis for $109!".
A dollar a figure, with usable wargaming units + all the freebies on top would see a lot more interest from us non- RPG'ers, especially if you can use one or two of the stretch goals to provide an alternate sculpt for each of the 13 different sculpts included in that level, to add more variety. We don't want assorted characters for RPG use (and we're not part of your existing fanbase of collectors, so the $25 resin sophie has little to no value to us), we want hordes of basic grunts for use as wargaming units.
Just seems to me that it's odd that you have these affordable units, but you're not aiming at the wargamer's market who really wants to buy hordes and hordes of them... which would really help you cover the cost of those expensive moulds!
So, yeah, that's my input on the structure of this thing, and what it'll take to appeal to me, and probably a lot of the wider gaming market outside of RPG's. It doesn't have to take attention away from the RPG side of things, you can do both. Good luck!
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Post by: Bolognesus
scarletsquig wrote:Just seems to me that it's odd that you have these affordable units, but you're not aiming at the wargamer's market who really wants to buy hordes and hordes of them... which would really help you cover the cost of those expensive moulds!
**this**.
along with those spiffy paint cases (I'd like one or two of those), that dragon (wouldn't have blinked at $20 either) the ghast level and some multiples of those orcs in the vampire level would work great.
...or at least let me swap that sophie model for the intl shipping
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Post by: odinsgrandson
The market that Reaper has been going for has been the RPG crowd.
Also, the crowd that likes to paint their random sculpts (like the Sophies).
I mean, their monsters all look like some D&D creature, and their heroes all fit at least one D&D class.
Of course, it isn't like they can't add a "Wargamers Bundle" and pull in more people. I'm just saying that it hasn't been their bread and butter in the past.
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Post by: Azazelx
Sean_OBrien wrote:Crazy thing is that once it goes into production - that Dragon probably won't be too much more than that (maybe $20 - but still).
I have the metal version and also the metal version of the Purple Worm (MSRP $2.99 in Bones) and the dragon probably weighs about twice the worm. If past practices hold with them - it should put the dragon around $10-15 MSRP in Bones. Add in a little more because the dragons come with the special plastic box now.
That's ....actually an incredibly valid point. The bones figures are so cheap that if the listed deals don't appeal you may as well skip it, (or wait till/if they add enough extras to the $100 level to interest you) and otherwise just buy what you want at retail for a little bit more. Automatically Appended Next Post: Guys - pledge a buck and then add the "wargamer's bundle" comments in the Kickstarter feedback. I'm sure it's not what they've planned at all but they may be willing to give it a go.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Reaper are generally good people to deal with. I am sure that if enough people are interested they would look seriously at accommodating their desires/needs in terms of what figures come at which price points (with in reason of course).
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hit the $90K mark a bit ago - Undead are in - working on Ebonwrath. The stretch following the dragon is posted:
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Post by: bbb
With this move to Bones I'd like to see Reaper put out some dungeon crawl rules and figure deals to go with them. That would be a good way they could release some packs of unit builders/dungeon encounters.
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Post by: Bolognesus
why another system? just some pathfinder (or similar) adventures to use the monsters line will do just fine
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Post by: kenshin620
bbb wrote:With this move to Bones I'd like to see Reaper put out some dungeon crawl rules and figure deals to go with them. That would be a good way they could release some packs of unit builders/dungeon encounters.
ThomasPolder wrote:why another system? just some pathfinder (or similar) adventures to use the monsters line will do just fine
Yea, theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules
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Post by: Slinky
kenshin620 wrote:theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules
As someone who has backed this but hasn't got any games to use the figures with, can you name/recommend any, please?
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Post by: Bolognesus
good old D&D and it's derivatives work fine; pathfinder is good; if you'd like a lot of instantly useable source material D&D 3.5 works wonders too. I'm sure someone will homebrew ready-made character sheets and adventures for these mini's by the time they come out - if I can find the money for vampire+intl+some extras I probably will if noone else does
I know I was bitching about value but that dragon pretty much convinced me by itself
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't think that's what he is looking for - less RPG and more Boardgame, I'd guess?
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Post by: kenshin620
Slinky wrote:kenshin620 wrote:theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules
As someone who has backed this but hasn't got any games to use the figures with, can you name/recommend any, please?
ThomasPolder wrote:good old D&D and it's derivatives work fine; pathfinder is good; if you'd like a lot of instantly useable source material D&D 3.5 works wonders too. I'm sure someone will homebrew ready-made character sheets and adventures for these mini's by the time they come out - if I can find the money for vampire+intl+some extras I probably will if noone else does
I know I was bitching about value but that dragon pretty much convinced me by itself
Yea basic P&P stuff works. You also have all the boardgame things like Warhammerquest, Cadwallon, Descent, Talisman, etc
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Post by: Taarnak
These go perfectly with the Goalsystem Delves rules in my opinion. In fact, that is the entire reason for me to pledge for the Reaper stuff.
There is a thread for that Kickstarter effort here on Dakka as well for anyone interested.
~Eric
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Post by: bbb
Exactly. I used to love Warhammer Quest and always liked that I could pull minis from the Warhammer range to use.
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Post by: spaceelf
They really should market to wargamers. If only all miniatures looked as good as Reapers.
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Post by: Alpharius
Taarnak wrote:These go perfectly with the Goalsystem Delves rules in my opinion. In fact, that is the entire reason for me to pledge for the Reaper stuff.
There is a thread for that Kickstarter effort here on Dakka as well for anyone interested.
~Eric
Now there's a good idea!
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Post by: Cyporiean
Folks Looking for a Wargame from Reaper... They have a couple.
Warlord is their fantasy game, and CAV is their mecha/sci-fi game. From what I've heard they are both pretty good.
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Post by: frozenwastes
The quality of Reaper's rules are indeed high, but they're the type of thing you need to have a pre-existing gaming group for. Reaper's rules have never hit critical mass to the point where you can rely on their being an existing local player base.
I'd go with the GoalSystem kickstarter as every rules the GoalSystem guys have put out have been rock solid.
Pathfinder would also be a good pick, even if you want to play it more like a board game. All the rules have been released as open content and is available in a wiki format here:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
and on Paizo's (the publisher of Pathfinder) website here:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/
I run a weekly Pathfinder game in which Reaper Bones make appearances. Sometimes we have sessions that are all talky-talky and other sessions are more like miniature gaming nights, so I know the rules handle it just fine.
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Post by: xeno99
Cyporiean wrote:Folks Looking for a Wargame from Reaper... They have a couple.
Warlord is their fantasy game, and CAV is their mecha/sci-fi game. From what I've heard they are both pretty good.
Were any of the minis in the Kickstarter for those two games though? I'm completely ignorant of Reaper beyond using their mini's for DnD/Pathfinder games when I can afford them. Never tried out Bones, but I'm intrigued so far.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
xeno99 wrote:Cyporiean wrote:Folks Looking for a Wargame from Reaper... They have a couple.
Warlord is their fantasy game, and CAV is their mecha/sci-fi game. From what I've heard they are both pretty good.
Were any of the minis in the Kickstarter for those two games though? I'm completely ignorant of Reaper beyond using their mini's for DnD/Pathfinder games when I can afford them. Never tried out Bones, but I'm intrigued so far.
There are a few Warlord figures that made it to this project, but (as has been pointed out) we do tend to focus on RPG players who have been our Bread and Butter for years, so we weren't approaching this with the thought process of "convert our wargame to plastic" but with a "lets provide players and GMs with inexpensive models".
That being said, I do understand the concerns of those of you that are not pleased with our offerings, but am not sure that our goal structure can be revamped at this point without causing some frustration among those who have supported. At the end of the ordeal, these models will be available in retail stores, and can be ordered online in the manner you describe, perhaps that will be some amelioration?
Oh - and the $25 Sophie model is not 54mm, she is our standard character size, and she is not resin, but white metal. We are asking for more than we would normally because this is a fundraiser, and it's kind of like buying a $4 candybar that's $1 at the store. And although Sophie by herself is not the best value, we are offering a pack of figures (even minus the value of Sophie) that is 80 plastic figures for $100. I do totally get that not everybody wants this precise selection, though.
This is definitely a niche product, where the niche is RPGs, and perhaps this was the wrong audience for it, but we are trying to spread the word, and I do thank you all for giving it a look! I hope you will continue to be patient with us as I post updates here.
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Post by: Zefig
I'm definitely looking at pitching in for this. I'm generally a big fan of Reaper, and this certainly looks like terrific value. There are definitely some models in there that I wouldn't buy on their own, but I'm kind of comparing this set in my mind with like the D&D and Pathfinder minis cases, and I think this is the clear winner when it comes to value, especially when you consider the number of low level grunts of various kinds that are included.
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Post by: Schmapdi
Reaperbryan wrote:
That being said, I do understand the concerns of those of you that are not pleased with our offerings, but am not sure that our goal structure can be revamped at this point without causing some frustration among those who have supported. At the end of the ordeal, these models will be available in retail stores, and can be ordered online in the manner you describe, perhaps that will be some amelioration?
I realize that - but it's more fun (and presumably better for Reaper?) to sell them via the kickstarter no?
And would it maybe be possible to remove the "sold out" pledges to free up room to create new pledges for those of us who want in on the fun without being swamped with 50+ minis?
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Sean_OBrien wrote:Reaper are generally good people to deal with. I am sure that if enough people are interested they would look seriously at accommodating their desires/needs in terms of what figures come at which price points (with in reason of course).
I will bring it up in our daily progress meeting tomorrow. What I am not sure of without discussing it with the rest of the board is whether new Pledge levels at this point in time would anger other supporters, who felt they were deceived by not being given /all/ the options. Gamers can be fickle, and we work hard to maintain community goodwill (except on Frother's, where my boss slings C*bombs with everybody else).
Apart from Scarletsquig's list of:
- No Sophie
- 30 kobolds
- 30 goblins
- 30 skeletons
- 20 orcs
would there be a better package that would appeal to the wargame audience that we aren't reaching now? Something that could be constructed form models you can see available in the KS now, or in our LE line (which will all be released as Bones also)?
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ It was just an idea, I really don't mind just buying them when they're released if adding a wargamer level is beyond the scope of what you're doing/ might anger existing backers. Just happy to see them get released!
Plus, it might be difficult to appeal to wargamers anyway, since a lot of the stretch goal freebies will be random characters anyway, and there is the issue that just having the one sculpt per race/weapon type might not be enough to get a lot of the wargamer crowd backing. It's possible that going for that angle might have had to be pre-planned rather than being something that you can add now (Like how sedition wars appealed to the wargamer market despite being a board game by providing alt. sculpts for existing mini types as stretch goals). There's definitely holes in the idea that I've thought of since suggesting it.
I already have a werewolf, ghost and ogre that I'm really happy with, and that dragon is an absolute definite buy when it is released, so you're not losing out either way.. really hard to buy your stuff in the UK, though.. there's only one webstore I know of that sells bones, and its always out of stock!
That bat swarm is going to be a huge hit with WHFB players, too.
Having fun trying to guess the stretch goals based on the gravestones at this point.
The big bat-winged one at the bottom seems like it is some giant demon of some sort.. then there's the one on the left that seems like its shaped like a paint bottle... then there's that giant mausoleum right at the end, which I'm presuming is a $500k goal?
Definitely one of the more fun images that I've seen made for a kickstarter, it really is like an advent calender!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Looks like there will be another dragon based on the tombstones as well...though it is a ways down the path in the graveyard. Shouldn't take too long to get their though - they have gotten $12K in the past 12 hours or so.
The real question is what is in the Mausoleum?
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Post by: Myrthe
Reaperbryan wrote:
Apart from Scarletsquig's list ...
... or in our LE line (which will all be released as Bones also)?
Hi Reaperbryan !!
Thanks for posting here ... I, for one, appreciate it and reading what you have to say.
While not a response to the "Wargamer" content question, I want to add my ENTHUSIASTIC vote for adding Reaper's Townsfolk models into this kickstarter. Maybe as a stretch goal group of them. That would be FANTASTIC !!!
Also, since you mentioned Reaper's Legendary Encounters ( LE) line, would Reaper ever consider doing a Kickstarter to ramp up production on that line if this Bones Kickstarter goes well ? It has potential but the pace of releases has been annoyingly slow.
All the best with this fundraiser. I'm in at Vampire (and counting)
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Reaperbryan wrote:Sean_OBrien wrote:Reaper are generally good people to deal with. I am sure that if enough people are interested they would look seriously at accommodating their desires/needs in terms of what figures come at which price points (with in reason of course).
I will bring it up in our daily progress meeting tomorrow. What I am not sure of without discussing it with the rest of the board is whether new Pledge levels at this point in time would anger other supporters, who felt they were deceived by not being given /all/ the options. Gamers can be fickle, and we work hard to maintain community goodwill (except on Frother's, where my boss slings C*bombs with everybody else)
Keep in mind - you can actually change your pledges at anytime between now and the end of the campaign (including backing out entirely). Shouldn't cause too many ruffled feathers if you introduce different levels/rewards.
In order to keep things a bit cleaner you can simply do add on sales. If they pledge $100 - they get the stuff for that level, but then they can also buy 2 dragons, 4 packs of skeletons...whatever they are after. Depending on how you work it - this could allow them to get their foot in with the low donation but then increase it substantially with a la carte additions. Kit should be able to sort it out pretty quick.
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Post by: czakk
Sean_OBrien wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:Sean_OBrien wrote:Reaper are generally good people to deal with. I am sure that if enough people are interested they would look seriously at accommodating their desires/needs in terms of what figures come at which price points (with in reason of course).
I will bring it up in our daily progress meeting tomorrow. What I am not sure of without discussing it with the rest of the board is whether new Pledge levels at this point in time would anger other supporters, who felt they were deceived by not being given /all/ the options. Gamers can be fickle, and we work hard to maintain community goodwill (except on Frother's, where my boss slings C*bombs with everybody else)
Keep in mind - you can actually change your pledges at anytime between now and the end of the campaign (including backing out entirely). Shouldn't cause too many ruffled feathers if you introduce different levels/rewards.
In order to keep things a bit cleaner you can simply do add on sales. If they pledge $100 - they get the stuff for that level, but then they can also buy 2 dragons, 4 packs of skeletons...whatever they are after. Depending on how you work it - this could allow them to get their foot in with the low donation but then increase it substantially with a la carte additions. Kit should be able to sort it out pretty quick.
On this line of thinking - the mantic buy one get one free / a la carte option generated a ton of interest
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Post by: frozenwastes
I'm not sure it's worth it doing a repacking of rewards to try to get the few people who might be interested in 30 of a single sculpt or two.
Instead, I'd handle that with the a-la-carte options like Mantic did. Invite people to add more contributions rather than presenting options that weren't available at the time they made the decision to support you.
Never, ever, ever make those who went with an existing pledge level feel like they made a poor choice.
@ReaperBryan - just wanted to let you know posting here was definitely worthwhile. I contributed and I also emailed the link to a friend who contributed. And I just sent an email to my local shop that there's an option for retailers. They already have a couple Bones display racks and they're doing well among the Pathfinder players here. DakkaDakka might have started as a wargaming site, but it's definitley expanded and includes people with a wide variety of miniature interests, including RPGs and small model count skirmish games.
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Post by: WanderingMinstrel
Yeah the mantic approach was pretty intelligent.
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Post by: Azazelx
Slinky wrote:kenshin620 wrote:theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules
As someone who has backed this but hasn't got any games to use the figures with, can you name/recommend any, please?
The D&D Dungeon Crawler boardgames - Ravenloft, Ashardalon and Drizzt.
Descent.
Dungeon!
Heroquest.
Advanced Heroquest.
Warhammer Quest.
Dwarf King's Hold.
Munchkin Quest.
I'm sure there's a ton more, but these are ones I (mostly) have, and are a good start.
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Post by: Surloch
I would be really interested in a pledge level that includes just 1 of everything. So no dungeon box, and no Sophie. You just are guaranteed one of everything produced as part of the Kickstarter. A sort of, "Set and Forget" so you don't need to keep adding $10 here or there to get access to new stuff like the current Vampire level. Mantic had this at the $110 level, you just got 1 of everything new.
If people want to add anything additional like Sophie's, Dungeon packs or even just more of whatever is being produced in addition to the single model they get by default, those they can bolt on similar to what Mantic did with their add on options.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Myrthe wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:
Apart from Scarletsquig's list ...
... or in our LE line (which will all be released as Bones also)?
Hi Reaperbryan !! Thanks for posting here ... I, for one, appreciate it and reading what you have to say. While not a response to the "Wargamer" content question, I want to add my ENTHUSIASTIC vote for adding Reaper's Townsfolk models into this kickstarter. Maybe as a stretch goal group of them. That would be FANTASTIC !!! Also, since you mentioned Reaper's Legendary Encounters ( LE) line, would Reaper ever consider doing a Kickstarter to ramp up production on that line if this Bones Kickstarter goes well ? It has potential but the pace of releases has been annoyingly slow. All the best with this fundraiser. I'm in at Vampire (and counting)
I am strictly forbidden from revealing stretch goals except at the appropriate window - ie 2 revealed, one "free" and one Optional Buy in - but I can say that you should definitely keep your eyes on the map. Regarding LE: Bones is more popular than LE has been, but the molds are the same molds. We were watching a pattern where a new mold for bones would happen only about once a year, like it had for LE for 5 years, and we really did not want that. but 5 years ago, we were unaware of Crowdfunding as a resource. So, what we've done is what we would have done with LE 5 years ago if we could - get enough molds for th line's own income to generate all restocks PLUS pay for regular and frequent new molds. BUT I think your question is going to be answered more by this: Bones and LE are and will be symbiotic. Bones' first 29 SKU's will be the 29 figures on LE molds. The next 30+ figures come from molds bought from this kickstarter, which can then be used to ALSO make LE versions of the figures! We are actually having a Bones-->LE planning meeting next week, to determine the timeframe and cost of the transition, to determine whether that can be done in house now that mold expenses are greatly reduced, or whether a second KS is required.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
$115K met - Ebonwrath is in. Working on the Big Bad Evil Guys.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Next up, we have two more giants – the Frost Giant King and Queen! They're each about 2.75" from tabletop to the tops of their heads, and are a perfect complement to the Fire Giants! When this level of funding is reached, you can get both of these amazing models just by increasing your Vampire or Undertaker Pledge by $10. That's right – BOTH figures for $10. Or Two of each for only $20! There's no limit with any of our Options on how many you can get!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
I am guessing that the $135K will be met fairly quickly. One of the benefits of the $10 option figures is that when they are met - there should be a wave of increased pledges to add them into existing pledges. With a good 600 backers eligible to get Ebonwrath - I wouldn't be surprised if it made up another $5K on its own with the options.
Granted, you would have a similar effect with an a la carte system, just not in the same pulses.
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So the pattern seems to be little then big (with the big being a $10 option). There looks to be another dragon way down the path - if I had to guess it will be Gauth. That leaves 5 other big stretch goals and 7 small stretch goals (which haven't been met yet). It would be hard to hazard to guess what will be in the small goals - they have a huge catalog of small figures, and they mentioned a few new items as well (with a huge stable of sculptors to work with - it shouldn't be hard to throw in a couple surprises). I would guess probably a pack of dwarves and a pack of elves will be in there. Beyond that - I am really at a loss.
On the large side of things though, I wouldn't be surprised to see their Hill Giant and their Giant Ape. Both are very popular, except the price (which being giant lumps of metal which double as door stops is significant). Another good candidate would be the giant eagle. The goroloth thing is another popular figure with painters/collectors. Then likely one of their smaller blister dragons (still rather large - but small enough to be packed in blisters as opposed to boxes). Think those are pretty good guesses (still somewhat vague on the remaining dragon...and the possible small dragon) for the large stretch goals.
The mausoleum really makes me wonder though. It would be outstanding if that goal was reached and they had to go back for more options. If the steps hold up and the trending does as well - they should pass the Mausoleum sometime around the 13th of August...which will leave another week and a half of additional goals for them to fill. I think they could make significant inroads with their Warlord line if they were Bones material. It would open them up to more massed formations and what not. Units of cavalry for $10 per 3 or so - would be hard to resist.
Bit of speculation though I guess. Even if I was on with one or more of my guesses - Bryan wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it.
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Post by: Azazelx
That's some pretty outstanding value on those Giants. I'm hoping that they can also start to create giant humanoids specifically for the Bones line - the current giants, nice as they are - are quite squat. Presumably largely because they need to stand under their own weight in metal. With plastics as in the Bones material, they should be able to open up to much larger figures (as we saw with GW's move from metal to plastic years ago, actually).
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Post by: Cyporiean
Just going to up my pledge to $200 now, and say a few days of nickle and dimeing with every other stretch goal.
The RPG group is going to love/hate this when it comes in...
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
scipio.au wrote:That's some pretty outstanding value on those Giants. I'm hoping that they can also start to create giant humanoids specifically for the Bones line - the current giants, nice as they are - are quite squat. Presumably largely because they need to stand under their own weight in metal. With plastics as in the Bones material, they should be able to open up to much larger figures (as we saw with GW's move from metal to plastic years ago, actually).
Weight might be part of the issue...though not a big factor. Their dragons are metal and some are huge with wings which weigh as much as the giants do. There are also several manufacturers of other types of figures who work in metal which are much taller and much slimmer.
I don't think you will see too many of them going much taller. Reaper bases a lot on what they can fit in a blister pack - and simply based on volume, it can't get too much bigger than these are. To make them look more imposing though, they often use poses like the ones these have where he is sort of half hunched over getting ready to smack something small...like a human. Keeping the size to something which can be blister packed and put on pegs is attractive to retailers which is good for their business.
You also have D&D to thank to some extent. The height figure which they give as well as the weight figure would indicate a stockier than a normal human build.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Sean_OBrien wrote:the pattern seems to be little then big (with the big being a $10 option). <SNIP>
Bit of speculation though I guess. Even if I was on with one or more of my guesses - Bryan wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it.
I can confirm that *some* of your guesses are spot on!
Also, the pattern is kind of more "one "add-on" then one "option" and we gave preference to Options that were Big than Options that were little figures. Most (but not all) of our options are these larger figures, under the thought process that they were a more expensive unit price, and we couldn't give one away for the same expense as giving 4 tiny dudes away.
Our packaging has up until dictated maximum size - although there s a factor of the fact that our casting machines will only hold molds of a certain size, and therefore we can only fit figures of x size or smaller on them. Now, this line has a larger limit on figure size that can fit on a mold, and we intend to create packaging that will accommodate the larger figures, so yes, you will likely see larger figures start being introduced at some point.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Should still present a pretty descent haul of miniatures for Vampire backers even without the options. Right now, you have the 30 new bones, 36 dungeon attack bones, 10 undead bones, 4 fighters and a Sophie - 81 miniatures for $100 ($125 for international orders). Just a touch under $1.20 per figure. I don't think there is too much doubt that another handful of the add-on stretch goals will be reached, so you will likely be at 100+ figures for $100 when it is all said and done with. Even if you only need half of them, $2 per figure isn't shabby at all.
With things like $10 dragons and $10 for 2 giants - it gets even better. Sure - they are a couple of inches shorter than the GW giant - but he looks anemic and spindly to my eye.
Then of course...you have that mausoleum...
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Sean_OBrien wrote:
The mausoleum really makes me wonder though. It would be outstanding if that goal was reached and they had to go back for more options. If the steps hold up and the trending does as well - they should pass the Mausoleum sometime around the 13th of August...which will leave another week and a half of additional goals for them to fill.
Oh, and I should have said earlier - the mausoleum opens up and we get to see what's *under* it! (ok, it's another map..not just one more goal, but lots more!)
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Post by: Prophecy07
Just want to say; as a wargamer AND and a roleplayer, I really love Reaper. I'm way more excited by this KS then I was about Mantic's, too; I just like the figures more.
Bryan, I'm certainly glad you posted here. I wouldn't have heard of this thing otherwise.
Also, I've been eyeing those frost and fire giants for over a year now, but just haven't been able to get myself to cough up the necessary scratch. This is a deal too good to pass up, though!
edit: pledged in at $100! I'm going to wait a bit on options to see what else comes up. I'm definitely in on one of those giants sets, though. Probably ebonwrath too....
Bryan, I'd love to see a caster pack similar to that fighter pack....*cough*
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Post by: scarletsquig
Something that might be of interest to Ogre Kingdoms players:
The Fire giants and Frost Giants would make great Firebellies and Yhetees for Fantasy.
$40 gets you 2 firebellies, and 6 Yhetees, same price as a single finecast firebelly from GW.
They're nicer, bigger sculpts too (especially compared to the GW yhetees!), with superior casting quality.
Throw in a dragon (because lets face it, who *doesn't* want that dragon?) on top and that's a nice pile of swag for $150 even if you ignore all the stuff that comes with the vampire level.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
$135K in and now working on the $155K Giants.
Elves posted for the $175K stretch, which look to include a couple of new figures which haven't been released in metal.
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Post by: Bolognesus
And now we're ready to show you what's under the next tombstone – How about some Elves! These aren't the kind of elf that makes toys at the North Pole or work for poverty-stricken shoemakers, these are fightin' elves! With gorgeous sculpts by Bobby Jackson and Jeff Grace, PLUS two brand new elves (concept art by Talin) this pack is a must have for every Bones collection – and what's best, it'll be added automatically to your Vampire or Undertaker pledge as soon as we reach this goal!
Remember, tell your friends about this – let's get these amazing rewards made, and available for sale at every game store in the world! There's something in Bones for everybody – inexpensive heroes and villains for RPG play, low price monsters and humanoids for wargamers, and gorgeous works of art by the most talented sculptors in the business for collecting, painting, converting, and display! Heck, you can even use these as tokens for board games – I mean, who wants to be a Shoe, really? Shouldn't Ms. Scarlet be a Sorceress?
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Post by: frozenwastes
Assuming a relatively stable progression in the targets for stretch goals, if contributes continue at around $10,000 a day, we'll eventually get to see what is available in the whole Bones advent calender.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Honestly - I am actually thinking that this will break the record (for this genre) set by McVey. Right now they are out pacing that KS campaign by almost double where they were at the same point. The last few days of this campaign should see 7 digits.
If the spacing between the stretch goals remains constant - that would mean all of this map, all of the next map and a good portion of a third map (assuming they are the same sized maps of course - 20 stretch goals per map). If half of the goals are free add-ons of around 4 figures each, that would mean an additional 200 or so figures for Vampire backers.
Granted - that is a lot of assumption, but I am willing to make that wager. Automatically Appended Next Post: One other nice thing which I noticed that might be of interest to some:
http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45093-does-this-kickstarter-mean-that-bones-made-in-texas/
Like most of these plastics - they are currently made in China. However, they seem to be looking at moving the manufacturing from there to the US.
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'd like to see these moved over here, and the services added to Repaer's already existing casting services.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
bbb wrote:With this move to Bones I'd like to see Reaper put out some dungeon crawl rules and figure deals to go with them. That would be a good way they could release some packs of unit builders/dungeon encounters.
Song of Blades and Heroes from Ganesha Games is perfect for Reaper (and many other) minis. Its a skirmish level fantasy game, especially good for dungeon crawl type scenarios. Its quite simple, yet still allows good tactical playing. It comes with the stats for 180 heroes, henchmen, monsters, etc. You can also create your own with the games creation rules, the associated Yahoo! group has a program to calculate the points, or theres a print-out available on BoardGameGeek.com under the games listing, if you prefer pen and paper.
Im currently working on stats for my Hordes Troolblood minis, and my wifes GW Chaos Daemons (and other assorted demons, and related nasties). Also going to do up some for my old school CHaos Warriors minis.
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Post by: Eilif
Slinky wrote:kenshin620 wrote:theres already plenty of dungeon crawlers already. I'd rather have Reaper concentrate on their minis than rules
As someone who has backed this but hasn't got any games to use the figures with, can you name/recommend any, please?
I'd echo Mad4minis suggestion of Song of Blades and Heroes. It's a fast play (45-60 minutes a game), generic Fantasy Warband system that my club loves. We use alot of Reaper figs (among many other brands) in our warbands. http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/07/song-of-blades-heroes-campaign-session_25.html
As to the Kickstarter itself. I'm thrilled to see this. I bought my first bones fig a couple weeks ago and was very impressed. I'm currently discussing splitting the $100 "Vampire" level with 2-3 other club members. It's pretty likely that when the month is up it will have 100 figures or so. That's an unbeatable deal, and just the thing for players of Song of Blades and heroes where you want as many unique and diverse figures as possible both characters and monsters.
The freebies so far look great, and though the Giant figs are not figs I would have dropped 35 bucks on (great figs, I just didn't need them) at $10 for two I'd be hard pressed not too! Also, it's great to see that the upgrades can be ordered in multiple. I imagine this will save a bit of squabbling when clubmates go in together on a "Vampire" level, and don't have to argue over who gets to buy the Giants and Dragon.
Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Eilif wrote:Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?
Reaperbryan wrote:Also, the pattern is kind of more "one "add-on" then one "option" and we gave preference to Options that were Big than Options that were little figures. Most (but not all) of our options are these larger figures, under the thought process that they were a more expensive unit price, and we couldn't give one away for the same expense as giving 4 tiny dudes away.
BTW - has anyone else noticed that the next tombstone to be revealed looks remarkably like a RMS bottle? It should be one of the options as well... Granted, it would still be 3 stretches away - but it is something different than the rest of them to ponder (well that...and 8th from here has a different shape too, but that is too obscure).
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Cyporiean wrote:
I'd like to see these moved over here, and the services added to Repaer's already existing casting services.
As would I! Not just for the idea of being able to put made in the USA on it, but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.
I do want to state that we will not have a specific dollar goal tagged with the phrase "have bones made in the USA" or anything similar. all rewards and goals are for product made. What we are planning is to use this project to help us accelerate our rate of transition, which began in January fo this year, and may take a year or two to complete, but we will get there. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sean_OBrien wrote:Eilif wrote:Reaper Bryan,
As each new tombstone is revealed, you seem to be alternating between "freebies for the Vampire level" and purchasable upgrades. Is this to be the pattern for the rest?
Reaperbryan wrote:Also, the pattern is kind of more "one "add-on" then one "option" and we gave preference to Options that were Big than Options that were little figures. Most (but not all) of our options are these larger figures, under the thought process that they were a more expensive unit price, and we couldn't give one away for the same expense as giving 4 tiny dudes away.
BTW - has anyone else noticed that the next tombstone to be revealed looks remarkably like a RMS bottle? It should be one of the options as well... Granted, it would still be 3 stretches away - but it is something different than the rest of them to ponder (well that...and 8th from here has a different shape too, but that is too obscure).
Yeah, it does bear a striking resemblance!
As for alternating freebies vs purchase options - that's true almost the entire way. There will be some (I hope) pleasant surprises in regards to that along the way.
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Reaperbryan wrote:but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.
And customs...there were times where I could actually go to the docks and look at stuff we were having shipped in, pick it up and take pictures of it, only to have to put it back and wait another 3 months before the paperwork cleared on it.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Sean_OBrien wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:but working with outsource vendors overseas, and long shipping lead times etc can be frustrating to me as the production manager - It means coordinating supplies made in house on one timetable, and outsource on another.
And customs...there were times where I could actually go to the docks and look at stuff we were having shipped in, pick it up and take pictures of it, only to have to put it back and wait another 3 months before the paperwork cleared on it.
Yeah - that has happened a time or twelve...
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Post by: Slinky
Thanks for all the pointers on games to play with these.
I haven't played D&D in years and years (used to play AD&D 2nd ed), so didn't realise that was so miniature-centred now. I've ordered the red starter box, will have to convince some people to join me
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Post by: Eilif
Slinky wrote:Thanks for all the pointers on games to play with these.
I haven't played D&D in years and years (used to play AD&D 2nd ed), so didn't realise that was so miniature-centred now. I've ordered the red starter box, will have to convince some people to join me
While it's more miniature-centric, D&D is still very much a role playing game and will use less figures than a skirmsh ruleset.
For Skirmish rulesets...as well as Song of Blades and Heroes, the upcoming ruleset "Fanticide" which has alot of well known GW alumni involved would be a great way to use these figures as it has a mechanic for stating up any figures you have for play.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
I may have to get in on this to use them for the IKRPG...
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
$155K stretch goal met. Working on $175K elves now.
The paint bottle tombstone stretch goal is in fact...paint. 2 different sets of 12 colors for $18 option each. It is set at $185K so it should come through pretty quick after the elves (being only a $10K as opposed to $20K stretch).
The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...
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Post by: czakk
Those paint sets look like they are available for all the pledge levels, not just the Vampire level - that's pretty sweet!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Yep. Pledge $1 plus $36 on the option and get 24 paints at roughly half off MSRP (little bit better than half off IIRC).
RMS paints are pretty good too.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Reaper Paints are excellent. The only downside (Like Vallejo, Army Painter, etc.,) is that the droppers can get clogged if you don't properly wipe them before closing if you happen to be messing like me.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Yah - I keep some T-pins handy for that. Nothing a quick poke can't sort out.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Not a fan of Reaper's paints, so I'll be skipping out on those additions.
Looking forward to what the next model will be.
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Sean_OBrien wrote:
The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...
I'm sorry - let me clarify - we developed them to promote this KS. They will be released to retail after the KS backers receive theirs, precisely not to frustrate you if you run out.
The wording was developed for this Kickstarter, not *exclusively* for...
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If my reasoning is right - it should be a collection of smaller things which you can kill. Looking at what they have released so far and thinking of things which were killed fairly often in various RPG games I have played - perhaps lizard men for the $205K stretch.
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Reaperbryan wrote:Sean_OBrien wrote:
The second set are Kickstarter specific paints (hence the lack of normal stock numbers). Neat, in so much as it is a KS only item - but I am not too sure how neat that would be if you ran out half way through an army...
I'm sorry - let me clarify - we developed them to promote this KS. They will be released to retail after the KS backers receive theirs, precisely not to frustrate you if you run out.
The wording was developed for this Kickstarter, not *exclusively* for...
Cool, while it can be hard to say for certain on a monitor - I am liking the Vampire flesh triad.
BTW - is Ed paying you overtime for this?
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Sean_OBrien wrote:
BTW - is Ed paying you overtime for this?
I'm salaried, I'm afraid. I do all my forum posting from home because I'm the Project Dev, and it's my baby. I want you guys to be as excited as I am. Plus, I used to play WH40K ('nids, Space Wolves, and had just started Tau when I got out of it), and this board was an excellent resource for me.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Sean_OBrien wrote:Yah - I keep some T-pins handy for that. Nothing a quick poke can't sort out.
T-pins. So simple, yet I didn't think of it. Thanks!
Reaperbryan wrote:I'm salaried, I'm afraid. I do all my forum posting from home because I'm the Project Dev, and it's my baby. I want you guys to be as excited as I am. Plus, I used to play WH40K ('nids, Space Wolves, and had just started Tau when I got out of it), and this board was an excellent resource for me.
Painted some bones today. Got the gnoll done and started on the kobolds. I'm painting them up like they're on the same team.
I'm definitely excited about this Kickstarter. Each day I see new posts on this thread, but I have to go to the kickstarter page first to see what the new stretch goal is for myself and then come back here to read about it again.
The undead paint set looks pretty cool.
I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
frozenwastes wrote:I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.
That appears to be the plan. You might want to bug your LGS regarding this:
Though - you will also need to bug Bryan regarding this:
This level is designed so that retail game stores can participate in this project. USA and Canadian Stores Only. Free Shipping
Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Sean_OBrien wrote:Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).
frozenwastes wrote:
I take it all the Stretch goal miniatures will also eventually be retail products as well? I'm committed to getting my bones from the local store and hope to see them there eventually.
Retailers overseas we WILL accept, provided they will let us bill them for actual shipping charges. They have to arrange that with us on a case by case basis, but I am aware of 3 that already have. There's a lot of stuff in that deal (and more added daily!) and it won't be cheap, as US Post to the UK and the Continent aren't what I'd call reasonable.
We are committed to making sure that everything offered EXCEPT Kickstarter Sophie will be made available through all of our distribution and retail channels.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Reaperbryan wrote:US Post to the UK and the Continent aren't what I'd call reasonable.
Funny as it might sound - back when I was doing that sort of thing...it was actually cheaper for us to ship stuff to Canada and then have it forwarded on to the UK. We worked with a company that we had other business with to do just that.
Ring up RAFM and see what it costs for them to ship things. I think they strapped the stuff to a goose though, because it took like a month to get over there from here.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Sean_OBrien wrote:Since he let it slide that he is the lead on this - it is his job to sort it out. I hear complaints from people on your side of the pond is that there are not too many stores which carry Reaper stuff. Bones would be an ideal material to help sort that (reduced shipping costs and all that).
I'm in Canada. I edited my location to get rid of an obscure pop culture reference. My local store already does regular orders directly from Reaper and I emailed them about this Kickstarter. My guess, though, is they will wait until products are released to actually order anything. I don't know when credit cards are charged compared to shipping time on the retailer's option, but I doubt they're going to want to have any money tied up preordering half a year or more in advance.
Instead, I'm guessing they'll add releases as they come out, use generic pegs until the new releases are numerous enough to justify ordering another Bones display rack and then add one every 12 figures or so.
Back to painting kobolds.
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Post by: czakk
The elves are funded, the paints are next and then dwarves after that.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Those are some pretty cool dwarves.
Incidentally, I find the best tool for removing mould lines from Reaper Bones to be emery boards (cardstock nail files). I get mine from the dollar store. Scraping with a hobby knife sort of works, but not as good as it does on metals. My miniature files also do alright, but tend to grind away too much, too quickly.
I also cut the emery boards to a point with a pair of scissors to get into tighter spaces. When a section is used up, I just trim it again and again so I can use the whole thing.
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Post by: kenshin620
$215k goal up. Orc horde!
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Post by: Reaperbryan
kenshin620 wrote:$215k goal up. Orc horde!
I also want to reiterate that you can get this by pledging $1, and adding $25 (so $26 total). No need to pledge higher. If you're in at the $15 level, shipping is then also already covered, so it's now $40 for both.
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Post by: frozenwastes
These are pretty big orcs aren't they? Much bigger than the orcs currently available in bones?
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Post by: Reaperbryan
frozenwastes wrote:These are pretty big orcs aren't they? Much bigger than the orcs currently available in bones?
Yes. In these images, you will note two small triangles on the right side of the frame. The first measures .5 inches from table surface, and the second measures 1.0" from table surface. With those, you can reasonable estimate size. Base size is a factor, but most of them are about 1.25 inches (30mm) tall, amking them 3-4mm taller than the existing orcs, which are not my favorites. I n fact, I lobbied really hard to get these made, so taht we had cool orcs.
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/manor%20orc
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Post by: devilution
I wish they would do something like this for their sci-fi range :(
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Post by: frozenwastes
Reaperbryan wrote:frozenwastes wrote:These are pretty big orcs aren't they? Much bigger than the orcs currently available in bones?
Yes. In these images, you will note two small triangles on the right side of the frame. The first measures .5 inches from table surface, and the second measures 1.0" from table surface. With those, you can reasonable estimate size. Base size is a factor, but most of them are about 1.25 inches (30mm) tall, amking them 3-4mm taller than the existing orcs, which are not my favorites. I n fact, I lobbied really hard to get these made, so taht we had cool orcs.
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/manor%20orc
Cool. I never noticed those little triangles before.
These guys are definitely a good size. I like the classic smaller orcs in the first Bones releases, but they don't have the wow factor of these brutes.
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Post by: wana10
Ooooooooh...I love the Reaper black orcs. The five already included (especially the Kargir Warlord) were already tempting me mightily but adding this in? consider me bought. I'm in.
Finally my Warlord armies will be all Reaper minis.
Quick question to Reaperbryan; will the Duke Gerard in the Fighters add-on include his Halo bit?
edit* One other question, all five of the orcs in the orc add-on were already in the vampire level. If you get the vampire level and the orc add-on am I correct in assuming you will then get 5 of each pose?
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Post by: Slinky
Only $12k until Gandwarf will be unleashed!
(saw that name on the KS comments, btw, not my invention  )
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Post by: Poison
I'm gonna do the Vampire level on this this weekend, my D&D game would love to have new baddies and whatnot.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
wana10 wrote:Ooooooooh...I love the Reaper black orcs. The five already included (especially the Kargir Warlord) were already tempting me mightily but adding this in? consider me bought. I'm in.
Finally my Warlord armies will be all Reaper minis.
Quick question to Reaperbryan; will the Duke Gerard in the Fighters add-on include his Halo bit?
edit* One other question, all five of the orcs in the orc add-on were already in the vampire level. If you get the vampire level and the orc add-on am I correct in assuming you will then get 5 of each pose?
Re: Halo - no, it is a Modified Gerard to have a sword instead of an axe and no halo. That conversion should be easy enough, however.
re: 5 of each: Yes. Vampire comes iwth 1 of each already. Orcpocalypse comes with 4 more of each, and then the BBEG pack comes with their leader.
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Post by: czakk
Cracked 200k! 5K until the Gandwarf.
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Dwarves are a Go!
Adventuring ladies next ^^^^
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Post by: Azazelx
Bryan - this might seem like a silly or even obvious question, but if you're wanting to expand the Bones like, why haven't you also included the entire range of figures in the Legendary Encounters series as well? Sure, there's already a lot of crossover, but it would surely make sense to apply the whole lot to the new range as well?
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Post by: -Loki-
When do these go for general sale? There's one I want in the new Klocke Classics range that I want, but never bought because cutting the pre sculpted base off while metal would be a nightmare.
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Post by: ruff
-Loki- wrote:When do these go for general sale? There's one I want in the new Klocke Classics range that I want, but never bought because cutting the pre sculpted base off while metal would be a nightmare.
use a dremel.. Its amazing how fast it comes off..
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Post by: Eilif
-Loki- wrote:When do these go for general sale? There's one I want in the new Klocke Classics range that I want, but never bought because cutting the pre sculpted base off while metal would be a nightmare.
IIRC, they are slated for March 2013.
ruff wrote:
use a dremel.. Its amazing how fast it comes off..
Yeah, a dremel will cut through like butter. If you don't have one, a cheaper option is a razor saw. I use this routinely for cutting metal miniatures when I don't want to mess with the dremel.
http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/saw-blade-765693/
I don't even bother buying the handle, just hold it in your palm, clamp the miniature if possible and cut away!
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Post by: frozenwastes
The angle on that gnoll is funny, but I think it's the same sculptor/style as the current bones gnoll. So it's cool to get one that has a different weapon but matches the currently available guy.
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Post by: czakk
That's Tre Manor's work, he's an excellent sculptor and I love his gnolls. Tre even has his own kickstarter going for his chaos warriors.
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Post by: ruff
czakk wrote:That's Tre Manor's work, he's an excellent sculptor and I love his gnolls. Tre even has his own kickstarter going for his chaos warriors.
Thats cool.. what is the link??
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Post by: Cyporiean
ruff wrote:czakk wrote:That's Tre Manor's work, he's an excellent sculptor and I love his gnolls. Tre even has his own kickstarter going for his chaos warriors.
Thats cool.. what is the link??
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/463179.page
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Post by: Eilif
frozenwastes wrote:The angle on that gnoll is funny, but I think it's the same sculptor/style as the current bones gnoll. So it's cool to get one that has a different weapon but matches the currently available guy.
I have the currently available Gnoll and it's a nice fig. There's actually a few other Tre gnoll sculpts that rignt now are only available in metal. hopefully they will be in bones soon.
You can see the Tre Gnolls and a few others here.
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/gnoll
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Post by: HeadClot
I am backing this at the vampire level with most of the trimmings and I have to say that Reaper is doing an awesome job keeping us up to date.
Reaper I love you! 
Edit: Just thought I would say one more thing - If you have not backed Reaper Minis bones project - DO IT!
It is the best way to bulk up an existing army for [retracted] and other games!
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Post by: Eilif
HeadClot wrote:I am backing this at the vampire level with most of the trimmings and I have to say that Reaper is doing an awesome job keeping us up to date.
Reaper I love you!
Edit: Just thought I would say one more thing - If you have not backed Reaper Minis bones project - DO IT!
It is the best way to bulk up an existing army for War hammer Fantasy battles and other games!
I'm a huge fan of the Kickstarter and have also backed at Vampire, but the statement underlined is important because it's unfortunately not true.
There may be some use for some of the kickstarter figs in warhammer (certainly some charachters and the skeleton figs and the orcs.) However, it's definitely not the ideal way to bulk up most Warhammer armies.
Now if you're playing a Role Playing game or a skirmish game like Song of Blades and Heroes, or Mordhiem, or if you're looking forward to upcoming games like Fanticide or Goalsystem Delves...
...then it's a great deal, but it's really NOT aimed at mass battle wargamers. If you're looking to bulk up a mass battle game like WHFB or somesuch look towards Mantic or Perry.
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Post by: HeadClot
Eilif wrote:HeadClot wrote:I am backing this at the vampire level with most of the trimmings and I have to say that Reaper is doing an awesome job keeping us up to date.
Reaper I love you!
Edit: Just thought I would say one more thing - If you have not backed Reaper Minis bones project - DO IT!
It is the best way to bulk up an existing army for War hammer Fantasy battles and other games!
I'm a huge fan of the Kickstarter and have also backed at Vampire, but the statement underlined is important because it's unfortunately not true.
There may be some use for some of the kickstarter figs in warhammer (certainly some charachters and the skeleton figs and the orcs.) However, it's definitely not the ideal way to bulk up most Warhammer armies.
Now if you're playing a Role Playing game or a skirmish game like Song of Blades and Heroes, or Mordhiem, or if you're looking forward to upcoming games like Fanticide or Goalsystem Delves...
...then it's a great deal, but it's really NOT aimed at mass battle wargamers. If you're looking to bulk up a mass battle game like WHFB or somesuch look towards Mantic or Perry.
Updated my Post and thank you for the clarification.
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Post by: Bolognesus
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Post by: kronk
I wonder how much the case will cost, after the kick starter (assuming it becomes a stock item).
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Post by: Bolognesus
(Substantially) more than $25, that much I dare to predict
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well the GW equivalent (holds 108 figs) is listed at £36 (about $56) excluding shipping
so my guess would be about $40 from Reaper after the KS
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Post by: HeadClot
I am sold with the amount of minis I will be getting I am getting of these cases!
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Post by: czakk
Cases? I'll take two thanks!
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Post by: HeadClot
czakk wrote:Cases? I'll take two thanks!
25 dollars apiece at the vampire level!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
HeadClot wrote:czakk wrote:Cases? I'll take two thanks!
25 dollars apiece at the vampire level!
Even better it's available at ANY level,
so pledge $1, then add $25 for the case (and another $5 shipping outside the USA)
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Post by: HeadClot
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:HeadClot wrote:czakk wrote:Cases? I'll take two thanks!
25 dollars apiece at the vampire level!
Even better it's available at ANY level,
so pledge $1, then add $25 for the case (and another $5 shipping outside the USA)
Thought is was available at the vampire level Only?
*Double Checks*
Looks like you are right! It is available at any level!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It's the 5 townsfolk that are vampire only,
the case is for everybody
bless you Reaper
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Post by: frozenwastes
The variety in miniatures in the Vampire level does indeed make it hard to use for a Warhammer Fantasy Battle army, but Reaper had always been by go to source for characters and unit leaders for WFB until I stopped playing WFB and switched to other rules sets. And as those were more and more skirmish and stand based rather than ranked up, Reaper became more appropriate.
Here's a youtube video of some Reaper Bones werewolves that have been converted to different poses for a ranked up unit game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e7t25R-PW8#t=14s
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Post by: Reaperbryan
scipio.au wrote:Bryan - this might seem like a silly or even obvious question, but if you're wanting to expand the Bones like, why haven't you also included the entire range of figures in the Legendary Encounters series as well? Sure, there's already a lot of crossover, but it would surely make sense to apply the whole lot to the new range as well?
It's already in the plan. It's not part of this Kickstarter because those molds are already paid for, but the first 29 SKU's in Bones are all Legendary Encounters figures, re-purposed for Bones. The next 30 are the "mummy level" items, and then we get into the stretch goal figures, which is (Currently) 33 more figures, and that does not include any future SKU's to be added.
Those 30 should be available in retail stores before the "Kickstarter FIgures" are. Automatically Appended Next Post: devilution wrote:I wish they would do something like this for their sci-fi range :(
We have a vocal audience asking for this. We have a vocal "fantasy ONLY" audience that has asked us not to.
There is no way we can please both groups.
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Post by: HeadClot
@Reaperbryan - Glad to hear that you are listening to both sides
I am one that is wanting Sci fi Reaper minis in this material.
But I am not strictly sci fi only. Like in previous posts I have mentioned that I am backing your Kickstarter!
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Post by: Azazelx
Reaperbryan wrote:
devilution wrote:I wish they would do something like this for their sci-fi range :(
We have a vocal audience asking for this. We have a vocal "fantasy ONLY" audience that has asked us not to.
There is no way we can please both groups.
Easy fix. Keep this Kickstarter for Fantasy. Do another one next year after this one has completely finished and pledges are fulfilled for Sci-Fi/Chronoscope. But you've probably already thought of that...
Good to hear on the LE stuff goint join the Bones. When will they start to hit retailers - this year? And do you intend to expand the LE figures with more prepaint versions of the Bones line? I'm personally more interested in the Bones line, but my roleplayer/non-painter friends are more keen on the LE stuff.
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Post by: HeadClot
scipio.au wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:
devilution wrote:I wish they would do something like this for their sci-fi range :(
We have a vocal audience asking for this. We have a vocal "fantasy ONLY" audience that has asked us not to.
There is no way we can please both groups.
Easy fix. Keep this Kickstarter for Fantasy. Do another one next year after this one has completely finished and pledges are fulfilled for Sci-Fi/Chronoscope. But you've probably already thought of that...
Good to hear on the LE stuff goint join the Bones. When will they start to hit retailers - this year? And do you intend to expand the LE figures with more prepaint versions of the Bones line? I'm personally more interested in the Bones line, but my roleplayer/non-painter friends are more keen on the LE stuff.
I would have to agree with this
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Post by: frozenwastes
scipio.au wrote:Good to hear on the LE stuff goint join the Bones. When will they start to hit retailers - this year? And do you intend to expand the LE figures with more prepaint versions of the Bones line? I'm personally more interested in the Bones line, but my roleplayer/non-painter friends are more keen on the LE stuff.
It's already started. 12 of them were the first Bones and 4 more have been released just recently:
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Bones/sku-down/77013
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Bones/sku-down/77014
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Bones/sku-down/77015
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Bones/sku-down/77016
I also noticed the Kickstarter talks about the Ghast level shipping March, 2013 and that includes some stuff that is LE stuff (the goblins). So I'm guessing the LE stuff will trickle out as Bones 4 or so at a time from now till then.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Okay you convinced me, here's my money.
Pledging for the Vampire level. I may expand it to add in the 2 paint kits. Always looking for a reason to buy more paint!
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sparkywtf wrote:Okay you convinced me, here's my money.
Pledging for the Vampire level. I may expand it to add in the 2 paint kits. Always looking for a reason to buy more paint!
You need a REASON?
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Semi related question to this thread: Does anyone own one of the "Dark Heaven Legends" Young Ice Dragon?
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Post by: Luco
ruff wrote:god I hate being broke.. LMAO..
I basically thought the exact same thing. Wish I could support.
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Post by: Prophecy07
Oh sweet elder gods, I could put that fire stuff to good use.
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Post by: Bolognesus
there's always your kidneys
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Bolognesus wrote:there's always your kidneys
Trust me I have been thinking about how to get money LMAO..
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Post by: ChaoticMind
Eldarain wrote:Semi related question to this thread: Does anyone own one of the "Dark Heaven Legends" Young Ice Dragon?
I don't have it personally but based on sculptor and release date more likely than not a beautiful mini.
I haven't seen a recent sculpt be derpy in person (Ebonwrath just has a bad photo giving her an overbite) and Sandra Garrity is a goddess of dragon sculpts.
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Post by: czakk
Going to blow through 285 sometime this morning I think. Bring on the next stretch goal!
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Post by: Grot 6
I think casting these figs in clear red is a pretty good thing. I was over on the KS page and asked if they were going to do the ghosts, specters, and other figs in these clear and different colored see plastics...
I have several games, Pulp city comes to mind, where some clear colored figs are good for minions.
As to the dragon question- I don't have it, but Reapers dragons are some of the best in the market. those plastic figs from Legends are ok, but some of the paintjobs need work. Haven't seen that particular one, but the other ones paintjobs are just in the OK,"Good to throw down on the table and play with right now"... sort of ok.
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Post by: kronk
How do you add onto a pledge? I've decided to add on one of the options to my pledge, but I can't figure out how to do it so that I get a particular "extra".
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Post by: Cyporiean
kronk wrote:How do you add onto a pledge? I've decided to add on one of the options to my pledge, but I can't figure out how to do it so that I get a particular "extra".
Click 'Manage my pledge' and increase by whatever amount.
when the kickstarter is over you'll get a survey asking what you want.
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Post by: Eilif
Grot 6 wrote:I think casting these figs in clear red is a pretty good thing. I was over on the KS page and asked if they were going to do the ghosts, specters, and other figs in these clear and different colored see plastics....
Over on the Reaper forum, they did hint that they plan to do some various appropriate figs in clear'ish plastics, but more details weren't offered
Cyporiean wrote:kronk wrote:How do you add onto a pledge? I've decided to add on one of the options to my pledge, but I can't figure out how to do it so that I get a particular "extra".
Click 'Manage my pledge' and increase by whatever amount.
when the kickstarter is over you'll get a survey asking what you want.
There have been some hints that you might be able to adjust your pledge when the kickstarter over, but just to be sure, it's up to you to pledge the amount that will cover all that you want. As Cyporiean says, if you want more stuff, just add that amount of $ to your pledge.
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Post by: czakk
Next stretch goal is up, two dragons by Sandra Garrity:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Some scale photos of the minis:
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Should have known by the time I got over here yall would be all over it.
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If there was any doubt before that wargamers were a fraction of the market...
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Post by: Surloch
Argh, haven't backed yet but these dragon's are going to push me over the edge. Going to be hard not to double up on them either so I have a backup incase I stuff up one as well sigh.
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Post by: Azazelx
Yeah, this is going to be quite expensive....
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Post by: scarletsquig
I'll definitely get the big and little dragons once they go on general sale.
Any idea what the RRP prices will be for the extras compared to the kickstarter prices? 50% discount for the Kickstarter?
The Dragons are just plain brilliant, going to buy the hell out of those for use in Kings of War... the smaller ones would be perfect as drakon riders to replace the fugly official sculpts, definitely going to go for at least 6 of those, possibly even a dozen or more if a second pack is being released later (like the ice giants following the fire giants).
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Post by: Alpharius
Haven't we reached the point where scarletsquig breaks everything down for us and tells us what exactly we'll get at the 'sweet spot' level?
Please?
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Post by: Azazelx
That would be this:
Optional extras are just that. Want Giants or Dragons? A few extra bucks, but they're optional. Reaper have really done their homework on this one. It's also likely to keep expanding as their pledges increase.
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Post by: Chad Warden
are the Sophie miniatures bones or metal?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Chad Warden wrote:are the Sophie miniatures bones or metal?
Sophie is Metal
Bones are Bones plastic
The fire elementals (upcoming stretch goal) are translucent plastic of some sort (ie NOT identical properties to bones) from what's been said on KS
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Post by: Azazelx
They appear to be metal. Short-run special editions.
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The sophie is metal. That was confirmed early on in a comment on Kickstarter..
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Post by: Alpharius
I wasn't interested... until I saw the dragons...
Combined with the giants...
It helped a lot when they posted he scale shots...
Must resist...
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Post by: kronk
They should be for sale separately later on, Alphy. The $100 buy-in is a great deal, but I don't need/want most of those figures.
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Post by: ruff
The translucent green figs are going to be awesome..
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Post by: Bolognesus
kronk wrote:They should be for sale separately later on, Alphy. The $100 buy-in is a great deal, but I don't need/want most of those figures.
OTOH they will cost more than they do now. if you were to eventually buy substantial amounts of these minis anyway you're better off getting them now; it's nowhere near $100 for the vampire minis anymore, then. besides, what DM can't design a campaign around his mini collection instead of the other way around?
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Post by: Slinky
Alpharius wrote:Haven't we reached the point where scarletsquig breaks everything down for us and tells us what exactly we'll get at the 'sweet spot' level?
Please?
Try this link:
http://greg.botch.com/bones/
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Slinky wrote:Alpharius wrote:Haven't we reached the point where scarletsquig breaks everything down for us and tells us what exactly we'll get at the 'sweet spot' level?
Please?
Try this link:
http://greg.botch.com/bones/
That link is excellent, and is exactly what I was looking for (Minus the always excellent and on point scarletsquig touch, of course!) - thanks!
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Post by: Eldarain
So for my HE army I was thinking of using Dragon Whelps as "counts as" Great Eagles. Would the smaller dragons in this kickstarter work for those? or are they too big?
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Post by: Eilif
There's a comparison shot a page or two back that shows the dragons next to an average sized wizard.
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Post by: Ehsteve
While I may not be a fan of the inconsistency of the aesthetic/quality of some the sculpts, it is very hard for me to argue with 60 minis for $125, especially with that many potential gribblies for tabletop D&D encounters plus only $25 for a case to fit the lot. That and there are those gems in the rough which make it all worthwhile
Had to scroll down a lot to find out exactly how many models the case held though.
Regardless, my tax refund is going straight into a $100 set.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Ehsteve wrote:While I may not be a fan of the inconsistency of the aesthetic/quality of some the sculpts, it is very hard for me to argue with 60 minis for $125, especially with that many potential gribblies for tabletop D&D encounters plus only $25 for a case to fit the lot. That and there are those gems in the rough which make it all worthwhile
Had to scroll down a lot to find out exactly how many models the case held though.
Regardless, my tax refund is going straight into a $100 set.
that would be 102 mini's for $125 by now.
about the case, bryan wade from outrider hobbies had this to say: Hey everyone, so a quick update. IF the tray redesign gets approved you will be able to fit 150 figures in this case.
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Bolognesus wrote:Ehsteve wrote:While I may not be a fan of the inconsistency of the aesthetic/quality of some the sculpts, it is very hard for me to argue with 60 minis for $125, especially with that many potential gribblies for tabletop D&D encounters plus only $25 for a case to fit the lot. That and there are those gems in the rough which make it all worthwhile
Had to scroll down a lot to find out exactly how many models the case held though.
Regardless, my tax refund is going straight into a $100 set.
that would be 102 mini's for $125 by now.
about the case, bryan wade from outrider hobbies had this to say: Hey everyone, so a quick update. IF the tray redesign gets approved you will be able to fit 150 figures in this case.
Bugger me that's a lot.
The sheer volume of minis is almost overwhelming. I assume all the metals are pewter rather than their lower-cost lead figures (of which I still have a few)?
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Bolognesus wrote:Ehsteve wrote:While I may not be a fan of the inconsistency of the aesthetic/quality of some the sculpts, it is very hard for me to argue with 60 minis for $125, especially with that many potential gribblies for tabletop D&D encounters plus only $25 for a case to fit the lot. That and there are those gems in the rough which make it all worthwhile
Had to scroll down a lot to find out exactly how many models the case held though.
Regardless, my tax refund is going straight into a $100 set.
that would be 102 mini's for $125 by now.
about the case, bryan wade from outrider hobbies had this to say: Hey everyone, so a quick update. IF the tray redesign gets approved you will be able to fit 150 figures in this case.
And I approved the redesign about 4 hours ago. Just waiting on a prototype model to get shots of the final thing. 6 trays, each with 25 pockets, instead of the 15 pockets shown.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
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Bugger me that's a lot.
The sheer volume of minis is almost overwhelming. I assume all the metals are pewter rather than their lower-cost lead figures (of which I still have a few)?
NO NO NO,
They are all in Bones Plastic (which is softer than real polystyrene or PP resin/plastic)
It looks to hold detail ok though
The only metal is the Sophie (succubus on the motorbike)
It's a great deal for the price, just don't want you pledging expecting metal then being dissapointed
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Post by: ChaoticMind
@ Reaperbryan, when the minis in translucent plastic go on sale after the Kickstarter will they still be translucent or will they shift over to standard Bones plastic?
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Post by: scarletsquig
@Alpharius: There isn't really a need for a big text post explaining everything with this one, there's only really one tier of free stuff open to the public, and that's the $100 vampire level.
Of course, simplicity has its pros and cons.. I can't for instance just go ahead and buy 2 big dragons and 6 little ones like I want to, it's not a pick n' mix shop like some other kickstarters are, gotta put down the $100 to unlock the extras.
Considering that $100 is actually $150+ for me as a UK citizen ($25 shipping + 25% minimum customs fees), not having the ability to place a smaller pledge prevents me from supporting this one... if I could make a $60 pledge made up of the extras I want I'd only have to pay $5 shipping and wouldn't have to pay any customs fees at all since it would come in at under the import limit.
Still following this with extreme interest though, since no-one else in the gaming industry is making affordable large plastic monsters at this point in time.
Stuff like the translucent ghosts are also extremely cool, since you don't need to paint them, they look awesome straight out of the blister.
Building up my shopping list for March next year, even though I won't be a backer.
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Post by: SilverMK2
scarletsquig wrote:Considering that $100 is actually $150+ for me as a UK citizen ($25 shipping + 25% minimum customs fees), not having the ability to place a smaller pledge prevents me from supporting this one... if I could make a $60 pledge made up of the extras I want I'd only have to pay $5 shipping and wouldn't have to pay any customs fees at all since it would come in at under the import limit.
This is kind of the problem I am having - the pay for "bonus" models are pretty much all I really want from the vampire level stuff, yet to get all I want I would still have to lump on the cost of vampire and the $25 postage which puts it way out of my price range. If I went up to vampire level, I would not be able to afford any of the extra stuff and would have the added cost of a much more likely customs bill as well...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
at least the large monsters will be out in plastic after the KS.
Yes they will proabably be twice the cost, but this may well prove cheaper for international buyers (if they don't want the rest of the vampire level)
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Post by: SilverMK2
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:at least the large monsters will be out in plastic after the KS.
Yes they will proabably be twice the cost, but this may well prove cheaper for international buyers (if they don't want the rest of the vampire level)
Looking at the cost of the current giants, they will be about 4 times the cost, given that individual giants are between about $20-$40 each, and they are in here 2 for $10...
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Post by: Bolognesus
@Scarletsquig
isn't there someone you know (at least tangentially, via forums or whatever...) who could buy a couple of extras for you? it'd just be the extra customs fee you'd pay on top of the stated price - and that's rather more doable.
I'm probably getting some extras along with my vamp pledge for some folks I hardly know too; can't imagine there wouldn't be any UK-based backers who could do the same for you and folks in a similar predicament
Reaperbryan wrote:And I approved the redesign about 4 hours ago. Just waiting on a prototype model to get shots of the final thing. 6 trays, each with 25 pockets, instead of the 15 pockets shown.
aww? I actually rather liked the idea of a mixed 30-slot tray and 15-slot tray layout...
with the shipping outrider hobbies tags on to us EU folks getting replacement trays is out of the question, too, if not via the KS. I'll probably get one or two still, of course. still a good deal.
...and sorry for my earlier (perceived) rudeness here; I'll gladly condede it's a smashing deal by now
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
SilverMK2 wrote:OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:at least the large monsters will be out in plastic after the KS.
Yes they will proabably be twice the cost, but this may well prove cheaper for international buyers (if they don't want the rest of the vampire level)
Looking at the cost of the current giants, they will be about 4 times the cost, given that individual giants are between about $20-$40 each, and they are in here 2 for $10...
Reaper actually answered a question about the approx costs of the Giants/ebonwraith in Bones inthe KS chat (remember in the current calatlogue they're metal)
Giants would probably be $7.99 to $9.99
Ebonwraith would be $19.99 to $24.99
(as far as my memory goes). Now these arn't price promises from them, but should give an idea of what to expect
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Post by: Bolognesus
would you know if Ebonwraith would include one of those spiffy cases at the $19,99-$24,99 price point?
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Post by: ruff
I doubt the dragon will come with a case. Seeing the metal figs come in a blister.
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Post by: Bolognesus
ruff wrote:I doubt the dragon will come with a case. Seeing the metal figs come in a blister.
Uhhm, you do realize he's a boxed set now?
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Post by: Eilif
Bolognesus wrote:ruff wrote:I doubt the dragon will come with a case. Seeing the metal figs come in a blister.
Uhhm, you do realize he's a boxed set now?
Reaper boxed sets do come in a case. AFAIK, the large dragons formerly came in boxes.
However, I'm pretty sure this was answered on the reaper forums (hard to be sure when the "bones" thread is 74 pages long) to the effect that the dragons and paint sets do not come with a plastic case.
I'm pretty sure that they said they haven't even decided if the kickstarter figs (asside from the retailer deal) will come in blisters. They might, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they came bagged (or in one bag) without blisters. I assume the multipart models would be bagged separately.
If you want the reaper "boxed set" style case: http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Case/latest
I'd advise skipping reaper and buying a pistol case of the same dimensions. Here's a few that cost less than half of a reaper case.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?sort=priceLow&catid=996&pagenumber=2
A pic of one
Reaper buys their cases from a company that also sells it as a pistol case and eggshell foam is eggshell foam, so I don't see a difference aside from the lack of silly sticker art
All that said, the miniatures case in the kickstarter is much larger, with precut trays, and an excellent deal at $25
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Post by: Bolognesus
I know it's just a pistol case, but look at the flag beside my name. do you think they sell pistol cases here (at least, at a decent price/availability?). bah.
the good thing about reaper is I'd get free shipping above €35 which really makes them the cheapest way to get such cases here.
the KS case is great and I'm getting two - for medium-big games.
for some smaller skirmish games those small cases are great - they're cheap, you can just throw one or two of them into a bag and they take a hell of a beating without as much as a scratch or chip on your models.
I'm not going to take a 16"x12" case to bring 10-25 mini's
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Post by: Eilif
Bolognesus wrote:I know it's just a pistol case, but look at the flag beside my name. do you think they sell pistol cases here (at least, at a decent price/availability?). ...
...for some smaller skirmish games those small cases are great - they're cheap, you can just throw one or two of them into a bag and they take a hell of a beating without as much as a scratch or chip on your models.P
I'd recommend just finding a plastic case (pencil case, slide case, Cigar box etc) you like the size of and putting two pieces of eggshell in it. I've got a number of cases that I've repurposed simply by putting in some foam that I scavenged from packaging (or you can buy it at the store). Most of these I found at resale shops. My favorite is a metal microscope slide case that's nice and thin and really strong. You can just put foam in it and go, but with foam cut the same way as my case tutorial...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362407.page
...I can fit about 30 figures in there!
Like you I have big cases for my armies, but when I go to play skirmish games, I just slide (pun intended) this into my bag. With scavenged foam, I figure I probably spend about 2-4 dollars one each of my repurposed cases.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Eilif wrote:With scavenged foam, I figure I probably spend about 2-4 dollars one each of my repurposed cases.
Crazy thing though is that on the high side - that isn't too much of a savings based on figures it can hold. The current design is 150 miniatures per case for $25. You get 30 miniatures for $4 in yours. To get the same number of miniatures, you would need 5 cases...$20. Not saying that yours isn't a good option, just pointing out that that case is a very good value.
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Post by: Bolognesus
@Sean
point is, that 150fig case is like bringing a bazooka to a gun fight for skirmish games
@Eilif
Yeah, I've seen your tutorial. it's a great way to make some cheap mini transportation - if you can get the foam cheap.
which, again, around here... blegh...
all they sell is a kind of isolation foam which I'd not want to use near my minis; it's kind of abrasive! (and even stiffer than battlefoam which is decidedly on the rigid side for my tastes...)
getting polyurethane foam is possible, but only in spray can form (and that doesn't form open cell foam, sadly...).
getting good open cell foam is possible but either stupidly expensive or in quantities of close to a m3.
which, for the metrically impaired, is ~35 cubic feet.
...so yeah, but, no
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Post by: ruff
Eilif wrote:Bolognesus wrote:ruff wrote:I doubt the dragon will come with a case. Seeing the metal figs come in a blister.
Uhhm, you do realize he's a boxed set now?
Reaper boxed sets do come in a case. AFAIK, the large dragons formerly came in boxes.
However, I'm pretty sure this was answered on the reaper forums (hard to be sure when the "bones" thread is 74 pages long) to the effect that the dragons and paint sets do not come with a plastic case.
I'm pretty sure that they said they haven't even decided if the kickstarter figs (asside from the retailer deal) will come in blisters. They might, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they came bagged (or in one bag) without blisters. I assume the multipart models would be bagged separately.
If you want the reaper "boxed set" style case: http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Case/latest
I'd advise skipping reaper and buying a pistol case of the same dimensions. Here's a few that cost less than half of a reaper case.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?sort=priceLow&catid=996&pagenumber=2
A pic of one
Reaper buys their cases from a company that also sells it as a pistol case and eggshell foam is eggshell foam, so I don't see a difference aside from the lack of silly sticker art
All that said, the miniatures case in the kickstarter is much larger, with precut trays, and an excellent deal at $25
Lmao this gives you a idea on the last time I bought one of the large figures. It's cool the come with a small case now.
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Post by: Eilif
Sean_OBrien wrote:Eilif wrote:With scavenged foam, I figure I probably spend about 2-4 dollars one each of my repurposed cases.
Crazy thing though is that on the high side - that isn't too much of a savings based on figures it can hold. The current design is 150 miniatures per case for $25. You get 30 miniatures for $4 in yours. To get the same number of miniatures, you would need 5 cases...$20. Not saying that yours isn't a good option, just pointing out that that case is a very good value.
Good point. The new Reaper case is an excellent deal and even though I've got a bunch of large plano cases -which cost 20 bucks after buying EVA base sheets and hold 180+ miniatures after modification- I'm still considering picking up one or more of the Reaper cases.
However, there really isn't a really good deal out there for small hardshell cases made specifically for minis. 16 bucks (even with free shipping) is a fair bit for a case that size that doesn't even have cut miniature cavities. The metal case above cost me 3 bucks, which is far better than just about any other small case option. For warband size cases, making your own is still the best deal by far. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bolognesus wrote:@Sean
point is, that 150fig case is like bringing a bazooka to a gun fight for skirmish games
@Eilif
Yeah, I've seen your tutorial. it's a great way to make some cheap mini transportation - if you can get the foam cheap.
which, again, around here... blegh...
...getting good open cell foam is possible but either stupidly expensive or in quantities of close to a m3.
which, for the metrically impaired, is ~35 cubic feet.
I recommend befriending someone (you probably know someone already) who works in a business where they get something fragile in the mail (alot of computer and tech companies are great for this) and having them get you some. I used to use (and still do a bit) small cardboard boxes to store minis. A friend of mine would periodically get small boxes in the mail at work that were not only a good size, but came with eggshell.
It's not likely to get you big sheets, but for filling small cases, it's just the thing.
Also, rolls of eggeshell foam are often sold quite cheaply at home stores as mattress pads.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Eilif wrote:Also, rolls of eggeshell foam are often sold quite cheaply at home stores as mattress pads.
ah thanks, that's something I can work with (even though I'd rather have flat sheets rather than eggshell).
...now let's stop derailing the Reaper KS thread Automatically Appended Next Post: 
new goal:
and auto-include options available as paid extras:
...and an expanded map. yay!
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[edit] - Ninja-ed [/edit]
A bunch of cool new updates.
The scale photo: 
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Post by: bbb
Not the demons I was hoping for, but glad to see some more big guys making it in. I'd love to see their big earth elemental guy at some point in Bones.
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Post by: Alpharius
scarletsquig wrote:
Building up my shopping list for March next year, even though I won't be a backer.
Same here, especially as:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:at least the large monsters will be out in plastic after the KS.
Yes they will proabably be twice the cost, but this may well prove cheaper for international buyers (if they don't want the rest of the vampire level)
Looking at the cost of the current giants, they will be about 4 times the cost, given that individual giants are between about $20-$40 each, and they are in here 2 for $10...
Reaper actually answered a question about the approx costs of the Giants/ebonwraith in Bones inthe KS chat (remember in the current calatlogue they're metal)
Giants would probably be $7.99 to $9.99
Ebonwraith would be $19.99 to $24.99
(as far as my memory goes). Now these arn't price promises from them, but should give an idea of what to expect
these are very nice prices later on down the road.
For when, you know, I might actually have money to spend after all the recent awesome Kickstarters + the new Infinity book!
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote:
Considering that $100 is actually $150+ for me as a UK citizen ($25 shipping + 25% minimum customs fees), not having the ability to place a smaller pledge prevents me from supporting this one... if I could make a $60 pledge made up of the extras I want I'd only have to pay $5 shipping and wouldn't have to pay any customs fees at all since it would come in at under the import limit.
You could always "go in" with someone else for just the extras you want.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
Eilif wrote:
However, there really isn't a really good deal out there for small hardshell cases made specifically for minis. 16 bucks (even with free shipping) is a fair bit for a case that size that doesn't even have cut miniature cavities. The metal case above cost me 3 bucks, which is far better than just about any other small case option. For warband size cases, making your own is still the best deal by far.
Outrider Hobbies is now making a laser-cut figure tray to fit our "boxed set dragon" case. Buy a boxed set, get the minis, get the case, get the foam from Outrider.
http://www.foamcorps.com/Reaper_c31.htm
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Post by: Eilif
Reaperbryan wrote:Eilif wrote:
However, there really isn't a really good deal out there for small hardshell cases made specifically for minis. 16 bucks (even with free shipping) is a fair bit for a case that size that doesn't even have cut miniature cavities. The metal case above cost me 3 bucks, which is far better than just about any other small case option. For warband size cases, making your own is still the best deal by far.
Outrider Hobbies is now making a laser-cut figure tray to fit our "boxed set dragon" case. Buy a boxed set, get the minis, get the case, get the foam from Outrider.
http://www.foamcorps.com/Reaper_c31.htm
Now this is a good deal! The price for the case by itself isn't worth it to me, but when it already comes with the figures buying a tray to fit in the case makes perfect sense. Great Idea!
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Post by: SilverMK2
I don't suppose there is any chance of a full sized picture of the different models compiled in the same place (kind of like the big vampire level image here) but for all the other extra models?
I know there were the goal pictures, but I was hoping for something a little bigger just to see some more detail.
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Post by: Azazelx
I know what you mean - it's as confusing as all hell now. I'm just planning to leave my pledge as-is for now, and make any adjustments in the last couple of days. I'm also hoping that Reaper will be doing a "pledge manager" of sorts after completion so we can shore up our purchaes. (my want list is going to be in the $500 range, and I won't have quite that much spare on the day).
Reaper Kickstarter email wrote:
And now a small announcement:
Things you should know!
Kickstarter only allows you to choose one pledge level. If you would like multiple levels, you need to select one of the levels you want. Then add the dollar amount required to receive all levels you want. Please note Crown Jewels are unique items and limited in quantity, so if you want one of these levels, you much choose this level to lock in your choice, and then add the dollar amount for other levels to your pledge. You can only select one limited level per Kickstarter account. That is their limitation, not ours. Several examples are listed below.
Liche Level (the boxed set of Reaper Con Sophies) DOES NOT include a Vampire Level. If you want both, when you pledge, select Liche or Vampire level, and adjust your total pledge amount to $210!
Add an additional $28 to your existing pledge to receive an extra Ghost-level Sophie. Add an additional $25 to your existing pledge to receive an extra Wraith-level Sophie.
To substitute a Ghost-level Sophie for the Wraith-level Sophie included in your Vampire level, please add an additional $3 to your Vampire pledge. This is the only substitution we are allowing.
All Crown Jewels include the full Vampire level pledge.
You must pledge at least the $1.00 Skeleton Level to qualify for the Options that are "available to everyone," by everyone we mean all backers.
Whether you pledge on day 1 or day 33, or during the first minute or the last minute, when you pledge the Vampire or Undertaker Level you will receive all no-charge stretch goals and be eligible to add all Options that we have reached.
After the project ends you will receive a backer survey via e-mail that will give you the ability to tell us how to apply any additional pledge beyond your selected level.
All Options and unlimited levels are unlimited. You can add to your pledge for as many as you want. Some Options require a minimum level to qualify for them.
INTERNATIONAL BACKERS:
If you are an international backer (not Canadian) do not combine the shipping amounts of multiple levels or Options, use the single highest shipping amount among your selections. Make sure you add the shipping amount to your pledge.
The international shipping charges in our Kickstarter program are designed for consumer-level shipments. International (not Canada) backers that select large quantities (5 or more) of a single Option or Pledge Level will need to contact us for additional shipping charges.
You will be responsible for any customs taxes, duties, and fees on your end. That is out of our control, and we will not mark any shipment in any way that is inconsistent with international law.
See the FAQ on the bottom of the home tab on our Kickstarter page for information about shipments and declaration of values so you can be prepared for their arrivals. We don't anticipate more than two shipments to you. If that changes, we will update the FAQ.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
SilverMK2 wrote:I don't suppose there is any chance of a full sized picture of the different models compiled in the same place (kind of like the big vampire level image here) but for all the other extra models?
I know there were the goal pictures, but I was hoping for something a little bigger just to see some more detail.
http://greg.botch.com/bones/
Is that helpful?
Each of the figures should be in there with links back to the metal version in their online catalog. Of course, there are still a few which are not connected - but those are some of the 15 or so new miniatures from this campaign.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Sean_OBrien wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:I don't suppose there is any chance of a full sized picture of the different models compiled in the same place (kind of like the big vampire level image here) but for all the other extra models?
I know there were the goal pictures, but I was hoping for something a little bigger just to see some more detail.
http://greg.botch.com/bones/
Is that helpful?
Each of the figures should be in there with links back to the metal version in their online catalog. Of course, there are still a few which are not connected - but those are some of the 15 or so new miniatures from this campaign.
That's awesome, and very useful.
Thanks
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scipio.au wrote:. I'm also hoping that Reaper will be doing a "pledge manager" of sorts after completion so we can shore up our purchaes. (my want list is going to be in the $500 range, and I won't have quite that much spare on the day).
Unfortunately this is unlikely. It sounds like the amount you pledge is what you have to pay when the kickstarter ends, with no mention of a payment plan. Luckly though, they should all be available in retail (slightly higher price) in 2013,
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Eilif wrote:scipio.au wrote:. I'm also hoping that Reaper will be doing a "pledge manager" of sorts after completion so we can shore up our purchaes. (my want list is going to be in the $500 range, and I won't have quite that much spare on the day).
Unfortunately this is unlikely. It sounds like the amount you pledge is what you have to pay when the kickstarter ends, with no mention of a payment plan. Luckly though, they should all be available in retail (slightly higher price) in 2013,
Reaperbryan has said that there will be a mechanism in place to increase your pledge after the ks closes - but if course they prefer you to pledge through the ks so goals get unlocked etc... I'd find you the exact quote but I'm on my phone.
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Post by: Reaperbryan
czakk wrote:Eilif wrote:scipio.au wrote:. I'm also hoping that Reaper will be doing a "pledge manager" of sorts after completion so we can shore up our purchaes. (my want list is going to be in the $500 range, and I won't have quite that much spare on the day).
Unfortunately this is unlikely. It sounds like the amount you pledge is what you have to pay when the kickstarter ends, with no mention of a payment plan. Luckly though, they should all be available in retail (slightly higher price) in 2013,
Reaperbryan has said that there will be a mechanism in place to increase your pledge after the ks closes - but if course they prefer you to pledge through the ks so goals get unlocked etc... I'd find you the exact quote but I'm on my phone.
Yes, we are almost finished with the Pledge Manager, but anything you "add" after the fact doesn't count towards stretch goals, so I strongly encourage you to have as much as possible in your pledge at the time of close.
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Post by: czakk
Next stretch goal announced - 6 more Heroes for Vampire pledgers. So .85 a mini now?
Also updated pics of the foam trays for the 25 dollar mini case.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
czakk wrote:Next stretch goal announced - 6 more Heroes for Vampire pledgers. So .85 a mini now?
And 2 of the 6 are new miniatures as well. Brings the total which will be new to the bones release up to 17 I think. So, even if you have a good selection of Reaper miniatures already, just with those 17 new ones you are only looking at a bit over $5 each. Not too shabby already and it still has a long way to go before it is over:
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Post by: Azazelx
Reaperbryan wrote:Yes, we are almost finished with the Pledge Manager, but anything you "add" after the fact doesn't count towards stretch goals, so I strongly encourage you to have as much as possible in your pledge at the time of close.
Of course, but you can't pledge what you don't have.
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scipio.au wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:Yes, we are almost finished with the Pledge Manager, but anything you "add" after the fact doesn't count towards stretch goals, so I strongly encourage you to have as much as possible in your pledge at the time of close.
Of course, but you can't pledge what you don't have.
That's what credit cards were invented for!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
scipio.au wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:Yes, we are almost finished with the Pledge Manager, but anything you "add" after the fact doesn't count towards stretch goals, so I strongly encourage you to have as much as possible in your pledge at the time of close.
Of course, but you can't pledge what you don't have.
Because of the large variety of options in this - a lot of people are going in for halves on the initial Vampire pledge and than sorting out who gets the freebies and adding on additional options to settle the fights. Pretty descent way to pick up a lot of character/monster options for wargames as well as fairly well make you set for awhile for RPG characters and "bosses".
With any luck over the next two weeks - there will be more variety added to the middle of the playing field as well. Reaper has a very deep catalog of stuff to choose from, it almost hurts just to think about what may or may not make the cut.
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Post by: SilverMK2
I think we need more monks, certainly at least a male and female monk
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Post by: Azazelx
Slinky wrote:scipio.au wrote:Reaperbryan wrote:Yes, we are almost finished with the Pledge Manager, but anything you "add" after the fact doesn't count towards stretch goals, so I strongly encourage you to have as much as possible in your pledge at the time of close.
Of course, but you can't pledge what you don't have.
That's what credit cards were invented for!
I don't have one - and this is a perfect example of why!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sean_OBrien wrote:
Because of the large variety of options in this - a lot of people are going in for halves on the initial Vampire pledge and than sorting out who gets the freebies and adding on additional options to settle the fights. Pretty descent way to pick up a lot of character/monster options for wargames as well as fairly well make you set for awhile for RPG characters and "bosses".
With any luck over the next two weeks - there will be more variety added to the middle of the playing field as well. Reaper has a very deep catalog of stuff to choose from, it almost hurts just to think about what may or may not make the cut.
Heh. I'm looking at Vampire ( maybe x2), a box of Sophies, the other biker-Sophie and 1 or 2x of most/many of the add-on extras. Not sure about the paints or a couple of figure cases as well. Hence my need for a pledge manager afterwards.
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Post by: czakk
Deathsleet for 10 dollars is the next stretch goal!
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Post by: ruff
czakk wrote:Deathsleet for 10 dollars is the next stretch goal!
This is crazy.. I will need to scrape up $150 for what I want right now.. lol.. God knows what else I will have to have later..
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Post by: Eilif
czakk wrote:Deathsleet for 10 dollars is the next stretch goal!
OOH, that is nice! I only need one large dragon though, so I'm probably going to force myself to choose between Deathsleet and Ebonwrath.
This is going to be a tough decision.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Eilif wrote:This is going to be a tough decision.
Personally I would go for Deathsleet.
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Eilif wrote:OOH, that is nice! I only need one large dragon though, so I'm probably going to force myself to choose between Deathsleet and Ebonwrath.
This is going to be a tough decision.
'Oi Boss! I'z foundz da error
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
@Eilif - Don't worry, I have a suspicion that the choice is only going to get harder. They have 12 big dragons, only two of which have been included so far. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch more of them in the next 12 days - and the ones which are still to come look even better.
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Post by: Eilif
You guys are killing me. I don't need more options and trying to sneak more than one big dragon (that will rarely see the gamign table) past the wife is a dangerous proposition!
Just found this pic over on the reaper forum that only makes the decision harder.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Eilif wrote:You guys are killing me. I don't need more options and trying to sneak more than one big dragon (that will rarely see the gamign table) past the wife is a dangerous proposition!
Well, they are only $10 big dragons...
Do what my wife does when she comes back from the mall with a UHaul truck of stuff in tow...say "I didn't spend $300 - I saved $600".
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Post by: SilverMK2
"What do you mean I got loads of models in the post? I've had those for ages! Just had them shipped from [insert parents/family/etc] as they've been looking after them for me!"
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SilverMK2 wrote:"What do you mean I got loads of models in the post? I've had those for ages! Just had them shipped from [insert parents/family/etc] as they've been looking after them for me!"
Why have I never thought of this ?! It's BRILLIANT in it's simplicity !!!
So far I'm partial to the Black Dragon ... the scales on the latest are a bit over-large for my tastes.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Myrthe wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:"What do you mean I got loads of models in the post? I've had those for ages! Just had them shipped from [insert parents/family/etc] as they've been looking after them for me!"
Why have I never thought of this ?! It's BRILLIANT in it's simplicity !!!
So far I'm partial to the Black Dragon ... the scales on the latest are a bit over-large for my tastes.
Either that, or just spend a day "cleaning" your game room and throw the miniatures out when you are done. Chances are good she won't even notice the new stuff is there if you move enough stuff around.
Regarding the White Dragon - most of the early Reaper Dragons were based on the D&D artwork from the period. If you look at this picture of a White Dragon it is a good match to Deathsleet:
http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00058.htm
In that same manor, Ebonwrath is a good match for the old artwork for the Black Dragon:
http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00054.htm
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Post by: Grot 6
Figure per figure, I think this is one of the better deals out there.
I'm in deep, by the way.
Those dragons, are around 30 bucks or so, if I recall.
As long as they can fix that darned bubbles, and cureing of the resin, I'd be good to go with them.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Grot 6 wrote:As long as they can fix that darned bubbles, and cureing of the resin, I'd be good to go with them.
Bubbles? Resin?
These are actually injection molded with plastic (not HIPS, but plastic of some form). Their shouldn't be bubbles and no need to wait on resin to cure (or the problems related to bad resin casts/mixes).
But, yes - the projected MSRP on the dragons will be in the $30 range according to Reaper. Right now - they go for $60+ in metal. So, if you buy in now you get a awesome deal. If you wait till they are available retail, you only get a good deal.
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Post by: Slinky
Not long to go until the contents of the mausoleum are revealed!
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Slinky wrote:Not long to go until the contents of the mausoleum are revealed!
I know I cant wait..
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Post by: Cyporiean
thats fantastic!
Upping my pledge.. again.
$215 if my math is right to get all of the models... so far.
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Post by: kenshin620
Wowzers the Vampire Level is getting incredible!
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Post by: Slinky
kenshin620 wrote:Wowzers the Vampire Level is getting incredible!
I'd go so far as to say "unmissable"
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Post by: Eilif
Ho-Lee-Crap!
I started a thread a couple of days ago at Reaper forums asking how much folks would pledge for a Chronoscope Bones kickstarter.
Am I clairvoyant, or did I just miss the boat again?
You decide!
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Post by: frozenwastes
The Chronoscope line going Bones is excellent.
I'm starting to think Reaper's long term plan might to be switch the majority of their prodcution to Bones eventually.
They release 12 old sculpts as Bones and 1 in 3 miniatures sold becomes Bones. What's going to happen when there are over a hundred? They've also confirmed that they are slowly moving production over to their Texas location (with no final timeframe to be announced as they don't know how long it will take).
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Post by: czakk
Found a pic of that giant in play:
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The big question is not how many bones vs metal they sell,
it's are they selling LESS metal now bones has come in.
My guess is a lot of the bones sales so far is in addition (as it's so cheap, and so few sculpts)
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But I bet they plan to do their large figures that way
a dragon at $70 is hard to sell, at $25 it's nearly an impulse buy
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Post by: czakk
Tin prices could shoot up again if Indonesia manages to actually enforce it's embargo on tin concentrate leaving the country without being smelted into bars and the 25% tax on mining. This is a good hedge against that.
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Post by: kenshin620
czakk wrote:Found a pic of that giant in play:
Poor giant looks a tad too big for that base!
These big models are excellent
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Post by: frozenwastes
From what I understand, ReaperBryan has said they sell one in three miniatures being bones and have not had any drop in metal sales since Bones was released.
That giant skeleton is rather large. I've never been a fan of giant figures in a pose where they are striking down at smaller targets. It's neat and all, but I find it looks a bit strange when there are no targets nearby. I much prefer a more "ready for action" pose for large centerpiece type models.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Luckily, the material is easy to cut - and skeletons are cake to repose.
You sort of have to wonder how many of those will be pressed into service in Tomb King armies? $57.75 for a Finecast Bone Giant versus $10 for a Bones Giant Skeleton.
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Post by: Wutwut
I've been debating the possibility of getting hosed by customs (being like all foreign and stuff) and the "deal" not being that great because of it but...
HOLY CRAPOLA Chronoscope?!
The Bone Giant is very very good as well, but TEN extra figures and some of them I had on my wishlist for a while now (but have a big list to go through ), Chronoscope is going to break me, tsk and I've just splurged on an airbrush, I guess one can always be business like and just report this as a 2013 "future" expense.
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Post by: frozenwastes
That's an excellent point. It actually looks like reposing that thing would be really easy. Cut the hips and reattach the legs at a slightly higher angle, cut the ankles as needed and then cut a few vertibrae to straighten his back. Perhaps change his arm angle and the angle he is looking at.
It might also work to throw it in boiling water, straighten the back and then plunge it into ice water to set it in the new position.
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Post by: Azazelx
frozenwastes wrote:From what I understand, ReaperBryan has said they sell one in three miniatures being bones and have not had any drop in metal sales since Bones was released.
That giant skeleton is rather large. I've never been a fan of giant figures in a pose where they are striking down at smaller targets. It's neat and all, but I find it looks a bit strange when there are no targets nearby. I much prefer a more "ready for action" pose for large centerpiece type models.
I understand what you mean. I think reposing one of these large bones figures would be pretty easy if you're inclined to convert your models at all - especially compared to metals. In fact, you've just given me the idea to to just that with this guy - so thanks! Automatically Appended Next Post: frozenwastes wrote:That's an excellent point. It actually looks like reposing that thing would be really easy. Cut the hips and reattach the legs at a slightly higher angle, cut the ankles as needed and then cut a few vertibrae to straighten his back. Perhaps change his arm angle and the angle he is looking at.
It might also work to throw it in boiling water, straighten the back and then plunge it into ice water to set it in the new position.
You could also do that, then drill out the spine and insert some brass rod into it. That won't ever bend back!
I tried to repose the wings from their prepaint Gargoyle figure, and they looked like they would stay in place - until the following morning when they'd bent back again...
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Post by: czakk
Wutwut wrote:I've been debating the possibility of getting hosed by customs (being like all foreign and stuff) and the "deal" not being that great because of it but...
HOLY CRAPOLA Chronoscope?!
The Bone Giant is very very good as well, but TEN extra figures and some of them I had on my wishlist for a while now (but have a big list to go through ), Chronoscope is going to break me, tsk and I've just splurged on an airbrush, I guess one can always be business like and just report this as a 2013 "future" expense.
You'll have to check the shipping FAQ for international customers, but I think they will be declaring your pledge value on custom forms, so 100 bucks for vampire, instead of the MSRP of all the figs. That might help.
Found it:
We will determine the customs declaration value of your shipment based on the Pledge Level(s) you chose in your backer survey. We will use the single highest pledge level you have chosen as your customs value.
As examples: if you want two Vampire Levels your receipt will show $100 as that is your single highest Pledge Level. If you are a Ghast Level and added paint and Orcs your receipt will show $15.00.
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Post by: Wutwut
czakk wrote:
Found it:
We will determine the customs declaration value of your shipment based on the Pledge Level(s) you chose in your backer survey. We will use the single highest pledge level you have chosen as your customs value.
As examples: if you want two Vampire Levels your receipt will show $100 as that is your single highest Pledge Level. If you are a Ghast Level and added paint and Orcs your receipt will show $15.00.
Damn it dude stop finding holes in my excuses not to buy extra stuffs!
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Post by: BrookM
Plastic Chronoscope minis.. OMFGE.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
scipio.au wrote:frozenwastes wrote:From what I understand, ReaperBryan has said they sell one in three miniatures being bones and have not had any drop in metal sales since Bones was released.
That giant skeleton is rather large. I've never been a fan of giant figures in a pose where they are striking down at smaller targets. It's neat and all, but I find it looks a bit strange when there are no targets nearby. I much prefer a more "ready for action" pose for large centerpiece type models.
I understand what you mean. I think reposing one of these large bones figures would be pretty easy if you're inclined to convert your models at all - especially compared to metals. In fact, you've just given me the idea to to just that with this guy - so thanks!
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frozenwastes wrote:That's an excellent point. It actually looks like reposing that thing would be really easy. Cut the hips and reattach the legs at a slightly higher angle, cut the ankles as needed and then cut a few vertibrae to straighten his back. Perhaps change his arm angle and the angle he is looking at.
It might also work to throw it in boiling water, straighten the back and then plunge it into ice water to set it in the new position.
You could also do that, then drill out the spine and insert some brass rod into it. That won't ever bend back!
I tried to repose the wings from their prepaint Gargoyle figure, and they looked like they would stay in place - until the following morning when they'd bent back again...
frozenwastes wrote:That's an excellent point. It actually looks like reposing that thing would be really easy. Cut the hips and reattach the legs at a slightly higher angle, cut the ankles as needed and then cut a few vertibrae to straighten his back. Perhaps change his arm angle and the angle he is looking at.
It might also work to throw it in boiling water, straighten the back and then plunge it into ice water to set it in the new position.
Some of the stuff I have heat bent stayed bent, some of it rebent. Usually if it was fairly thick, it would rebend unless I let it warm for a considerable time period (guessing it didn't warm all the way to the center - so the core retained the memory of the original position).
The big thing though is that with these being a nice light plastic you don't have all the issues with the cutting, drilling and pinning. When I reposed on of my giant skeletons, I had him upright with a knight figure in his off hand and both hands over his head (sort of roaring like you see in the movies). Had to cut almost every joint (not fun with metal), pin each joint (because gravity is a bitch) and finally putty a bit more than I would have liked to because I needed to use a sawzall to cut him up (not really - but the jeweler's blade still didn't leave the cleanest of cuts). The plastic, I can cut with a hobby knife...if I feel like pinning it, it drills out very easily and I shouldn't have to worry about wobbly model syndrome.
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Post by: Eilif
Sean_OBrien wrote:
Some of the stuff I have heat bent stayed bent, some of it rebent. Usually if it was fairly thick, it would rebend unless I let it warm for a considerable time period (guessing it didn't warm all the way to the center - so the core retained the memory of the original position).
I've not worked much with Bones, but working with other Vinyl PVC figs, this has been my experience. Some stays, some doesn't.
Sean_OBrien wrote:
The big thing though is that with these being a nice light plastic you don't have all the issues with the cutting, drilling and pinning. When I reposed on of my giant skeletons, I had him upright with a knight figure in his off hand and both hands over his head (sort of roaring like you see in the movies). Had to cut almost every joint (not fun with metal), pin each joint (because gravity is a bitch) and finally putty a bit more than I would have liked to because I needed to use a sawzall to cut him up (not really - but the jeweler's blade still didn't leave the cleanest of cuts). The plastic, I can cut with a hobby knife...if I feel like pinning it, it drills out very easily and I shouldn't have to worry about wobbly model syndrome.
This is the real bonus. PVC'ish figs are a breeze to cut, the lightness means that you don't have to worry about joins of heavy limbs and such. I've converted alot of of these kind of figs and it's so easy that it actually makes buying multiples of one fig more realistic as you know you can easily convert them.
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Post by: ruff
The option is awesome.. But the includes are ehh.. I am more Fantasy, but they could be fun to paint..
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
If you haven't looked at the map - it has been updated too. Looks to be another paint bottle, a cross, one with horse shoes on it, a pile of bones and a gold treasure chest (guessing the gold treasure chest should be around the $1 million mark).
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Post by: kenshin620
This is getting way too good!
However I am going to have to wait to the 16th to see what Dreamforge is doing before I commit some funds
Too many kickstarters....
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Post by: Eilif
The Chronoscope figs are toing to be avaialble as an add-on pack for only $11
Also, this pack will be available as an add-on for only 6 bucks!
As I'm splitting the Kickstarter with 3 others, I'll definitely be buying a separate pack of the IMEF figs for myself. That's at least $30 bucks in metal for $6 in bones! It's great to know that they will be available in retail later so that I can always add to the squad if I need too.
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Post by: draftamike
100 Dollar pledge given! + some for add-ons in the end.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Just cracked the half a million dollar mark. No additional rewards, but wow - that is a big number. Still have another 11 days to go till it is finally wrapped up and there are a lot of people headed towards GenCon with propaganda.
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Post by: Polonius
I don't know what I'll use it for, but I love that dragon!
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Post by: Eilif
Hmm, nothing in the clockwork Dragon or Bedeviled particularly interests me, but at this point we've got so many great figs coming our way for our 4 way split of vampire that I could get nothing else and be perfectly satisfied.
That said, it's always nice to have more figs to add to the trade pile!
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Post by: ruff
That dragon is pretty bad ass.. lol
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Polonius wrote:I don't know what I'll use it for, but I love that dragon!
Empire Steam Dragon of course.
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Post by: frozenwastes
I'm really looking forward to getting these in Bones. I'll probably make a small squad of them.
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Post by: pretre
Hold crud is this a good KS. If it is anything like the mantic one, it is only going to accelerate as we get closer. I'm in for $100.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Looks like the treasure chest at the bottom will be the $1 million stretch goal judging by the number of tombs and the current bigger stretch goals that combine both a freebie and an optional extra together.
And yeah, the Mantic one exploded in the final day with over $150k pledged in one day. Sedition Wars and Zombicide did the same thing, only over the course of 3 days of massive pledge amounts, and they had much smaller daily amounts pledged.
And all those had much smaller pledge amounts per day, whereas this Reaper one has steadily been at $20k/day minimum, rising up to $50k/day quite often.
I can see this breaking the million dollar mark, Reaper is being very wise to extend the caverns beyond that treasure chest!
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We're talking velocity though. The mantic one took off on the last couple days.
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Wow. almost 800k to 1.2 mil? Daaaamn.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Yeah, we're just wondering how nuts the closing days will be. I wouldn't be surprised to see $300k pledged on the final day alone with this one!
As soon as it hits 200 minis for $100, pretty much everyone and their dog is going to want in simply due to the sheer "bucket of minis" appeal of it.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Reaper has said they have 'Plans' up to 4 million, though which thing goes out as which stretch are flexable
The don't belive it will go that far, but are taking precautions
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, didn't mantic have to have emergency management meetings to try to come up with new ones?
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Post by: scarletsquig
pretre wrote:Yeah, didn't mantic have to have emergency management meetings to try to come up with new ones?
Mantic had terrible planning and had to pull everything out of their ass after they predicted that they'd only make $20k out of it.. no concept art other than what they had already on file, no greens, no clear reward structure until 2 weeks in..
Reaper is the exact opposite, this is extremely well planned. Going to the effort of hiring an artist to do a cool advent calender map was an extremely smart move, it makes it both easier to understand and a lot more appealing.
I'm amazed that they have plans up to $4 million, though! Now there's a company with confidence!
Does the map dig right down to the centre of the Earth?
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Post by: kenshin620
scarletsquig wrote:
Does the map dig right down to the centre of the Earth?
Reaper Bone Dinosaurs anyone?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My guess is they have 'plans' to bring every Reaper mini (that sells) into plastic
Plus quite a few cool new ones too
no harm in being prepared
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Post by: Fix
Where did you guys hear the $4 million figure?
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
scarletsquig wrote:pretre wrote:Yeah, didn't mantic have to have emergency management meetings to try to come up with new ones?
Mantic had terrible planning and had to pull everything out of their ass after they predicted that they'd only make $20k out of it.. no concept art other than what they had already on file, no greens, no clear reward structure until 2 weeks in..
Reaper is the exact opposite, this is extremely well planned. Going to the effort of hiring an artist to do a cool advent calender map was an extremely smart move, it makes it both easier to understand and a lot more appealing.
I'm amazed that they have plans up to $4 million, though! Now there's a company with confidence!
Does the map dig right down to the centre of the Earth?
Reaper is ran by some very efficient people - the head of which was an accountant in his former life. They also have a huge back catalog and 20 years or so of sales information. They also have a staff artist who they can tag when they want something drawn up. They are also genuinely nice people (which Mantic seem to be as well - but it does help).
The KT projections tend to run extremely low for these types of campaigns. He uses a fairly simple linear formula to calculate where it will go. If you compare this to any of the other similar campaigns - you will see that on this day of the campaign, they tend to have only made 30% of their total pledges. Add to that GenCon with the various minions moving about and Reaper's ruthless efficiency - and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see $2 million. Once it gets a little bit further along though, the value of the buy ins will make it almost impossible for anyone to ignore and not get into (already we are approaching 72 cents per miniature).
There are a good dozen or so miniatures which can be used in GW games as well - and I think Reaper may manage to corner the Australian market (given how much GW likes to bend them over and all). Automatically Appended Next Post: Fix wrote:Where did you guys hear the $4 million figure?
Reaper Bryan has said it many times on the KS comments and in their forums.
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Post by: drazz
HUGE load of minis. Happy they're doing well monetarily, but I just don;t need all those figs.
Anyone willing to go in on a Vampire level and split the models?
EDIT: Or, anyone that's already paid Vampire level willing to take donations from me to get some of the add-ons?
PM me
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
Pledged the 100 level, plus some tidbits. My RPG group accepted to buy it together, and we will use them for lots of things... This is explendid right now, but i hope they go better...
It is now at 548, they where at 524 at the mid of the day... o.O
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Post by: ruff
Since they got close to the bottom of the first map they have had 40K+ days over the last 3 days.. Its going to explode at day 5.. I cant wait to see it happen..
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Post by: ruff
Goblins are definitely cool not to say the dragon isn't cool, but I can just a pile of them running toward PC's.. lol..
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Post by: bbb
Not a fan of those goblins, but the dragon is great. Any idea how much the big models will cost when officially released?
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