Seeing the whole dragon, his head does seem quite big, and it isn't a good sign when the photographer seems to be holding the miniature to stop it from falling over.
General Seric wrote: Seeing the whole dragon, his head does seem quite big, and it isn't a good sign when the photographer seems to be holding the miniature to stop it from falling over.
Maybe it will be stable enough when it's transferred into the bones material. It's pretty light material compared to the current dragon (which looks to be 75% green stuff).
To be fair, 90% of the models I have need to be glued down so they don't fall over. It doesn't seem odd at all to me that an unfinished green needs a bit of supporting. For that matter, I think it looks like the wing isn't attached at all and he's using the backside to give leverage enough to hold it in place without obscuring the model.
... However: the head is awesome, the body is good, but they don't fit with each other. :(
General Seric wrote: Seeing the whole dragon, his head does seem quite big, and it isn't a good sign when the photographer seems to be holding the miniature to stop it from falling over.
The dragon is not fixed to the scenery it's standing on.
lucasbuffalo wrote: The models proportions are actually look perfect compared to the concept art.
you're right. it's actually beefier than the concept art because the concept art has almost nothing connecting the front and back halves of the dragon.
The sculpting looks so smooth. Normally at this stage you can still see tool marks but not on this one! It does look a little unbalanced but I think the angle of the shot has something to do with that.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I'd like to see another angle, but something looks really off about his proportions.
You're right, but I think there is more sculpting to be added done for the front of the neck/torso and possibly the back as well. Notice how the neck plates just sort of end with nothing below? I think more will be added there.
The pic makes me very glad I didn't order him. Not because of the sculpt ( I think it will be pretty cool when finished) but because it's so large it is virtually useless for tabletop wargaming, and I'm not the sort to display dragons on my shelves. So, if I ever got around to painting it (and if it's not used for a game I probably wouldn't), it would just sit in a box.
I have an ebonwrath and the small dragon pack coming and that will likely be all the dragons I'll ever need.
Would guess the issue is more relating to the figure not being done yet as opposed to an intrinsic problem with the balance. Once it is done - I would guess that it will stand upright on its own.
Regarding the artwork/sculpt - if you look at the concept it is fairly dead on (the head might actually need to be a little more pointy and long). The ribcage and torso are tiny on the artwork and it is reflected on the sculpture.
Once I get mine, I will probably extend the sternum much like you find on real life birds to give the illusion of an enlarged attachment point for the pectoral muscles to power the big wings. Granted, that would probably use up half a stick of GS given the size of it - but I think that should be enough to bring it into balance with what I think it should look like.
That is, indeed, a lot of minis. I hope that they figure out a better way to ship them that in individual plastic bags. That would be a lot of garbage.
JoshInJapan wrote: That is, indeed, a lot of minis. I hope that they figure out a better way to ship them that in individual plastic bags. That would be a lot of garbage.
I think the video is pretty clear that that is the way they will come. I like the bags as it will keep the minis separate and easier to sort.
The bags are far better than blister packages for all of them which would have more plastic, more card, a bigger shipping container and more postage. Also it's nice to see that there aren't other unnecessary packaging materials so the box is about as small as it can be.
Yep - I can't really think of a way to package them with less packaging. They could in theory just toss them all in...and while Bones is a durable material...I am guessing that more than one postal agency in the world would manage to shake, drop and kick the boxes so hard that they cause the various interlinked figures to pull apart.
Now add into all of that all the dragons, giants and demons that were available as options. I think it will be a long time before something quite as epic comes along again (at least till Reaper Bones KS 2.0).
The packaging is perfect imo. Could you imagine if they were all blistered with cardboard backings? I'd have to hire someone on craiglist to open them all.
All those little plastic bags (especially if ziplock) can also potentially be re-used when bitz trading with your fellow wargamers. I use little ziplocks that size for bitz all the time.
Yea, getting the Bones box will be like getting a huge supply drop of plastic baggies for me I can totally convince myself that it is not just toys, but also raw materials now!
I keep imagining myself receiving those miniatures... the 200 dolars i will dish into the mail center is nothing compared to the joy of opening a box full of those miniatures...
The other solution is to pledge for as many other KS's as possible before they show up. That way you can safely stop buying after the Reaper box shows, and yet still have a flood of mini's incoming for the next year or so.
I don't speak italian, so I don't know if this is suggest retail or what. Clearly some prices are wrong (cthulhu, kaladrax, nethyrmaul etc for 2.49 for ex), but that's been reported as being an issue over on reaper's site already.
Other than the ones that are obvious mistkes, the retail prices on Bones look pretty excellent. At a local store I grabbed a few blisters without really paying attention and pulled out a 20 and got a 10 back and some loose change and I was like, what?! It was weird getting such good value for the money.
WHen I was home on vacation, I picked up the basic Bones fighter that everyone seems to have and used it as my little test piggie painting project.
In the whole?
The figure is light. If the one I picked up was any indication of the wieght of the others, your not going to have a wieght issue in the execution of the first run of Bones. Postage wieght won't be an issue at all.
I used primer on mine. No isues, what so ever. It took to primer, and no cracking, brittleness, or issues that you would have expected on spray painting soft plastic. If anything, the material was very durable.
Issue I had was the point on target of conversions.
You won't be able to do very good using additional reapers stuff such as those weapons packs and arms/ legs/ tenticles from the components line.
Sticks to a base quite well, and Zap a Gap was fine to use in the attachment.
I'm curious to see if the wings on the dragons pin well and the gapping that usually becomes an issue with the metals.
I'm also curious as to how the material reacts with miliput/ green stuff/ filler.
Uuuh, the figures might get top heavy if you use metal bits? (I can advise low denomination coins epoxied under the base, if that's and issue?)
If it's not that, it might be that bits won't be available separately as they were on the metals, anymore.
Well, first off: I believe they stated during the project (nearly) all Bones minis will still be available in metal and anyway, the whole bones mini will probably cost about as much as one or two of the metal bits so that wouldn't really be an issue either, I'd think?
Issue I had was the point on target of conversions.
You won't be able to do very good using additional reapers stuff such as those weapons packs and arms/ legs/ tenticles from the components line.
I don't understand what you're saying here - could you give us some additional thoughts on this?
Thanks!
Sorry for the confusion.
Basicly, Reaper has additional weapons/ conversion bits packs. Metal ones.
AND in the off chance I have a Bones mini, and I want to change a sword. ( For example, I take my fighter, with the bendy "Bones" sword casted on the mini, and I want to cut it off and add an Ax/ additional weapon.)
I will have an issue with adding the changed over metal weapon to the Bones figure. I would consider recommending boring out the weapon, but even then, your going to have issue with the figure.
All in all? Yes, they are in fact available in metal, but for us converters out there, are you suggesting that you trade off the bones( cheaper) mini for the metal original, ( P90's or whatever thier called?)
I should quite think they would be the opposite. If anything, I'd get a body for a dragon in metal, and his/ its wings would come in the Bones material.
Those OG gamester minis from the old days have rather LARGE wings, hjeads, arms BTW. I'm looking also at you, oh giant BONE giant.
The figure I bought for the test was akin to one of those figures in the game "Zombies". (The little zombie guy, not the player token.)
Seeing a rather larger figure, such as the Giants, or even the larger figures such as the Gnolls is going to be very interesting indeed.
Even if they do something as specific as the reissue of the Giant Spider, you do realize how big these guys I'm describing are?
One giant spider I have in metal is around 3" around. the legs themselves are around 2 inches to 2 and a half inches.
In this Bones material, i might be so bold as to say that there might even be an issue in the support.
Bottom line- Support, and conversion pieces.
The bone material might have an issue in there, particularly in the larger figs.
Are you sure that there is going to be a problem? Isn't the Bones material hardish plastic? I have had no problem putting metal bits on plastic figures before.
So far, conversions of Bones figures will have little to no issues, in my experience.
This is an in-progress conversion of the Bones Minotaur, excerpted from my Modelling Log here on Dakka:
Taarnak wrote:
I am converting the Minotaur that I got. The pose was too hunched, his head was protruding from his chest, and the musculature needed work. Also, I wanted to add a bit more Greek flavor to him.
Here is where he is at right now:
I lengthened his torso at least a quarter inch. Then re-sculpted pretty much all of it. Then his head was put on top of his torso and the neck sculpted to add it into the torso. The sword blade was made from plasticard.
Everything white (exept the sword) is the original Bones miniature. Green parts are Kneadatite, grey parts are ProCreate. Lots left to do, but I am very happy with him so far.
There is tons of sculpting material here and the only time that I had any trouble with it is when it is spread out very thin on a part of the model that flexed. When that happened, the sculpting material tended to lift up on the edges.
The sword blade is made from laminated plasticard and pinned in place on the hand. Superglue held it all with no issues. Even the extensive pinning done inside the torso was no issue.
I think we'll be fine with Bones conversions using the Reaper metal weapons. It is basically the same as what I have done above.
It's actually a fairly flexible plastic, but only on bits that are relatively thin, so human sized arms can be twisted with ease. I have seen someone replace the bones swords of a figure with metal swords and there wasn't an issue with bending though, so I'm unconcerned.
However, seeing that price list makes me sad that I passed on the demons and dragons sets. Those two were significant discounts!
The only issue I had with Bones and conversions exists with other light materials like resins and plastics...that is one of balance.
I did a conversion of the minotaur to include a big axe instead of the sword. The axe was metal and he kept falling over. I had to put a fair amount of weight in the base in order to keep him standing up. The arm hasn't shown any signs of sagging though, and other than the balance issues - it is very easy to work with (cuts cleanly and takes superglue like it was made for it).
Yep, Balance is the only issue I could forsee. That's fairly easy to fix though. I put a penny or nickel on the bottom of most all my plastic figs.
However, for really imbalanced metal or plastic/metal figs I keep a stock of lead fishing weights in my hobby gear. With a big pair of pliers or a hammer it's easy to flatten them to fit under the base, and you can easily glue a couple on the side opposite the imbalance to make it steady.
So, Reaperbryan on the Reaper forums said that the list posted here has some pricing inaccuracies (it's legit, but Alliance just didn't price things correctly in relation to Reaper's own MSRPs), so don't count on that being gospel. I will say, I'm freaking so happy I got 2x vampire pledges and most of the options. I'm definitely picking up Rauthoros and the Shadow Dragon once they hit retail.
a quote from the Bombshell Babes kickstarter thread..
Reaper has just received five semi-trailer loads of plastic Bones figures at their factory and will be utilizing most of their staff to sort all these out for the next couple of months. This may affect our casting schedule as they reallocate their labor pool to these tasks. We are looking at alternatives for casting if this becomes an issue.
Those prices make me feel all warm and tingly from Nostalgia - but still enough above what I paid during the Kickstarter that a big grin is plastered on my face.
I believe the stated value for the Vampire package alone at retail was $515. Additions will cause that 80 percent discount to fall a bit probably since I expect most of the big models to be only 2 to 3x what they cost in the KS.
Grot 6 wrote: If anyone's interested in trading the chronoscope stuff, let me know.
I'm interested in trading out mine when it shows up. When the time comes, I'll spout out more about it.
Not sure if you are specifically looking to make the trade happen with Dakka members...but Reaper had set up a trade thread on their forums specifically to help facilitate trades like this. You might be able to expand your selection pool a bit there as opposed to here.
DiabolicAl wrote: Gotta be a misprice. Isnt that cheaper than the KS prices?
Think they were both $10 through the KS campaign, though I would have to double check. The big dragons were more - but those were both what would probably be considered small dragons by Reaper's standards.
One of the nicest things about Reaper, is that they more or less use actual costs to figure out their price points.
It could prove to be an amazing shift once they get their shop set up for in-house plastic production. If it allows them to make a significant increase to their release schedule - then you may well see them start to cut into a lot of the flashier game lines with prices that are impossible to beat.
Sean_OBrien wrote: It could prove to be an amazing shift once they get their shop set up for in-house plastic production. If it allows them to make a significant increase to their release schedule - then you may well see them start to cut into a lot of the flashier game lines with prices that are impossible to beat.
I hope so - I do like Reaper as a company (even though I have only ever ordered from them once). All the models I have seen (and own) by them have been flawless and well detailed and they seem to have a good sense of humour as well as business.
Well, Bryan over on the Reaper forum has described how they are sending things out when the time comes.
Three palettes - one US, one Canada, one Everywhere Else - when a palette is full it goes out.
Orders are placed on the palettes with the smallest number of items going first. (A Vampire pledge is considered to be one item) Simply because an awful lot of folks only got a single Vampire. (Poor fools!) Inside of that order is by when the Pledge Manager was filled out.
So... mine is going to be a bit down the list -
Vampire x1 $100
I've only just seen the new Bones range properly in a LGS and I'm hugely impressed by the quality and the prices. Given that Reaper isn't widely distributed in the UK I don't see them for sale often and they can be a little pricey.
I bought the Great Worm for £3 today!! And looking online, it's $3 in the US, that's crazy cheap for a figure this large. I liked it in metal but it cost more and it would be pretty heavy. Also there is very little clean up needed on this figure and the detail looks great.
The Bones version of Kaladrax is going to sell for $75 US?!!!
(The Kickstarter was $10!)
The Auld Grump. or... maybe it's coming out in metal, too?
Am I misremembering, or during the campaign, was it implied that Kaladrax came with a female necromancer-type miniature?
It is a huge figure, it probably uses just as much material as Nethyrmaul the Undying.. But instead of height you have width and length.. Kinda sucks it will cost that much for a extra one, but I am glad I got it before they came out..
The Bones version of Kaladrax is going to sell for $75 US?!!!
(The Kickstarter was $10!)
The Auld Grump. or... maybe it's coming out in metal, too?
Am I misremembering, or during the campaign, was it implied that Kaladrax came with a female necromancer-type miniature?
It is a huge figure, it probably uses just as much material as Nethyrmaul the Undying.. But instead of height you have width and length.. Kinda sucks it will cost that much for a extra one, but I am glad I got it before they came out.
Lots of work on the steel molds would be my guess as to why so pricey - a separate mold for each wing, the head, each leg, probaby two for the base....
As for the female figure with Kaladrax - Not just implied - stated outright!
Let me rummage a bit.....
Creator Reaper Miniatures on August 25, 2012
Comments moving too fast: @I forget who asked: Hyrekia is included, and is not integral to the Dragon - she is a separate part.
If it were metal it would be more than $75, Ebonwrath and Kaladrax's first version are currently $70 and are less material.
Reaper is honest and prices are based on production costs and reasonable profit. Considering any other company that would produce a comparable dragon would charge $100+ a price tag of $75 sounds fair.
I'll bet Reaper is just a bit regretful that they only priced it at 10 bucks. It's probably the most under-priced figure in the lot. Even the art didn't quite capture how big it is.
I almost wish I'd bought one now except that I know I'd never actually paint or use it.
Has anyone have a pic with the 2 dracoliches side-by-side for comparison. Got the award for the studio paint job and havent decided which of the 2 I want.
I got one in the KS, but I lost a lot of enthusiasm for Bones' ability to create large beasts now. I love Bones, but for just a bit more, I could get a Crusader, a model of superior quality that I can assemble as I wish. $75 seems like a lot for a creature with throat ribs and out-of-style chunky mummy guts because they couldn't solve the chest cavity issue. $50? Sure. $75 just seems like a lot for a model that will always feel like a compromise in quality somewhere.
I assume Nethyrmaul is similarly priced? I hope Cthulhu isn't too expensive. That figure was such a "meh" it was heartbreaking.
Really? Have you seen the price lists for the rest of the bones. They are half the price or less of comparable metal figures. 75 bucks seems like alot to some, but if you look for resin or metal of comparable size, you're easily in the range of $150-200.
Cheap is relative. but bones prices are is significantly cheaper than comparable models.
Colfax wrote: Has anyone have a pic with the 2 dracoliches side-by-side for comparison. Got the award for the studio paint job and havent decided which of the 2 I want.
Really? Have you seen the price lists for the rest of the bones. They are half the price or less of comparable metal figures. 75 bucks seems like alot to some, but if you look for resin or metal of comparable size, you're easily in the range of $150-200.
Cheap is relative. but bones prices are is significantly cheaper than comparable models.
I have painted Cang by Cool Mini Or Not as a commission - $300 retail at CMON, and I do not feel that he was over priced.
You probably are willing to pay $75 for a nice, large dragon, even if he does have flaws and assembly issues. For me, that price just crosses a line of price for quality. It doesn't matter what PP or Mierce or whoever would charge for a similar model, because I would never, ever buy one of those. The people who spend that kind of money will buy Kaladrax no matter what he costs. There are probably more customers with a similar frame of mind to mine, however. The question becomes, is $75 cheap enough to lure in this untapped market? Or is it still so high as to keep the dragon out of consideration? For me, $75 for a Bones dragon that looks like a supersized dino-museum skeleton keychain is just not a good deal.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: You probably are willing to pay $75 for a nice, large dragon, even if he does have flaws and assembly issues. For me, that price just crosses a line of price for quality. It doesn't matter what PP or Mierce or whoever would charge for a similar model, because I would never, ever buy one of those. The people who spend that kind of money will buy Kaladrax no matter what he costs. There are probably more customers with a similar frame of mind to mine, however. The question becomes, is $75 cheap enough to lure in this untapped market? Or is it still so high as to keep the dragon out of consideration? For me, $75 for a Bones dragon that looks like a supersized dino-museum skeleton keychain is just not a good deal.
Probably...though not so much because of the $75 big dragon, but the dozen or so smaller dragons (still the size of a lot of "big" miniatures from other companies) which come in at impulse buy price points. There is also a huge market for all things dragon. For those customers, $75 is a steal as they are also buying resin dragons of comparable size and detail for $300+. The $75 price point moves it down several brackets off from the big ones that might sell to a fewnhundred people ever to being affordable to anyone who wants one without too much difficulty.
Probably...though not so much because of the $75 big dragon, but the dozen or so smaller dragons (still the size of a lot of "big" miniatures from other companies) which come in at impulse buy price points. There is also a huge market for all things dragon. For those customers, $75 is a steal as they are also buying resin dragons of comparable size and detail for $300+. The $75 price point moves it down several brackets off from the big ones that might sell to a fewnhundred people ever to being affordable to anyone who wants one without too much difficulty.
Your point about the smaller dragons is right on. That's probably where I formed my opinion on price for quality for bones dragons--the much better quality Garrity dragons which are selling for, what? $25?
Those dragons are an amazing deal. Kaladrax doesn't feel like one. I guess when I see Papo/Schleich/Safari quality I expect to see a similar price (or less since Bones are not prepainted).
I think I saw the size at 14x11x14 tall, which is pretty significant. I am trying to think of comparable sized figures (miniature or toy) and most are a good bit smaller than that.
A lot will depend on the figure itself when they finally show up in peoples' hands, but I am generally pleased with Reapers quality for their price...so I remain cautiously optimistic.
Plus, there is a really good chance that it will look better than the $54 War Sphinx.... (But then there is a really good chance that an old sneaker, glued to a base, then painted, will look better than the $54 War Sphinx....)
Maybe it would be more fair to say that it looks better than the $58 Arachnarok Spider, which does at least look better than a shoe glued to a base....
Okay, okay... better than the $58 Zombie Dragon... if you insist on actual undead dragon thingies. And that does look better than either the giant spider thing or that whatever-the-heck-it's-supposed-to be.
Mostly, just not impressed with the GW big critters at this point....
A bit of news on shipping from Reaper Bryan in the KS comments yesterday
"Bryan Stiltz about 19 hours ago
We're preparing the floor space now to begin shipments next week. As for why we're not doing on-site pickups, it's a time thing. Basically, if you drive all the way out to our shop, we feel like you deserve a tour. Normally we're quite happy to offer tours to individuals or groups that happen by. During fulfillment though, if 20 people come in to get their stuff, we either have to stop twenty times and give the tour (which takes about half an hour) or we have to be terribly bad hosts, get your product, and shoo you out the door. I'd much rather be the polite host and not ask you to leave us alone so we can get more accomplished, and to do that, we have to ask you to please not come up during fulfillment.
I truly am sorry - Interacting with you all is what makes this the greatest job ever"
Automatically Appended Next Post: so prepare for bonesy goodness (remember smallest orders go out first)
Okay, okay... better than the $58 Zombie Dragon... if you insist on actual undead dragon thingies.
The Auld Grump
I just can't agree with you here. Now the Zombie dragon is also out of my price range, but it is a damn lovely model, and sprued plastic to boot. It has bones that look like bones and not raised ridges on a central core of plastic. It has a choice of configurations, and thus lots of spare parts for later conversions. The riders look great. If anyone other than GW sold it, it would have a great reputation. Kaladrax just seems more limited in comparison.
Of course, I said the same kinds of things about Mantic's Wildcard, and that model turned out to be excellent in real life, so I could be wrong. Hopefully we'll see some painted examples of Kaladrax photographed from different angles.
Okay, okay... better than the $58 Zombie Dragon... if you insist on actual undead dragon thingies.
The Auld Grump
I just can't agree with you here. Now the Zombie dragon is also out of my price range, but it is a damn lovely model, and sprued plastic to boot. It has bones that look like bones and not raised ridges on a central core of plastic. It has a choice of configurations, and thus lots of spare parts for later conversions. The riders look great. If anyone other than GW sold it, it would have a great reputation. Kaladrax just seems more limited in comparison.
Of course, I said the same kinds of things about Mantic's Wildcard, and that model turned out to be excellent in real life, so I could be wrong. Hopefully we'll see some painted examples of Kaladrax photographed from different angles.
Sorry - I think that the zed dragon from GW looks way too cartoonish for my tastes.
It has lots of configurations, yes, but they all look cartoony. Trust me, that was a model that I really wanted to like - and it does look better than the craptastic Sphinxes or the rather horrible giant spider (another model that I wanted to like).
But given the choice... I will take Kaladrax over the zombie dragon. And have, given that I added the Bones version and have already painted the original metal version.
As for changing the configuration - it is wicked easy to change the configuration of the older metal Kaladrax, not as easy as the plastics, but the bones are easy to cut apart, reposition, and pin. Mine comes around and over a ruined building, and did not take that long to convert.
This new version... maybe not as easy, but I can't really say yet. At the least I would say that the plastic has too much memory, and will likely revert to it's original positions unless really hot water is used.
And, for the record, I have a lot of undead dragons... from a lot of companies, including the original zombie dragon from Ral Partha, back in the eighties and the toy undead dragon by McFarlane Toys. Not liking the new GW plastic zed dragon bothered me.
Sean_OBrien wrote: Those dragons are an amazing deal. Kaladrax doesn't feel like one. I guess when I see Papo/Schleich/Safari quality I expect to see a similar price (or less since Bones are not prepainted).
Uhm, Did you ever see the higher price point Schleich dragons Antylar & Faraun? They were not Kaladrax Reborn's size, looked like hatchlings and were closing in on the $50 retail price tag, if not past that. BTW, If you like them, there is a limited edition Red Faraun on ebay ATM.
I'm not saying big K is perfect, but at his price point, I'm pretty sure he is under what Schleich would charge for his equivalent. Safari limited doesn't have any of their higher quality dragon in big K's size, but I think the Retail of their larger sauropods bear out a Safari skeletal dragon in Big K's size would clock in near the $70 if not more.
@AuldGrump Fair enough. We just have different tastes in our dragons, especially zombie dragons. (For me, a living dragon is always more desirable than a zombie dragon.)
@FranktheDM I must admit that I haven't shopped for Schleich/Safari dragons in years and years. I probably wouldn't spend that kind of money on any toy dragon, and I love dragons. I guess my main point is that Kaladrax is not a very impressive model, in my opinion, especially for his price.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: @AuldGrump Fair enough. We just have different tastes in our dragons, especially zombie dragons. (For me, a living dragon is always more desirable than a zombie dragon.)
@FranktheDM I must admit that I haven't shopped for Schleich/Safari dragons in years and years. I probably wouldn't spend that kind of money on any toy dragon, and I love dragons. I guess my main point is that Kaladrax is not a very impressive model, in my opinion, especially for his price.
I don't know... he seems pretty darned impressive to me for a $10 model.....
For $75... I would wait until I needed one, which, given that I have more than a dozen undead dragons.....
But I do like him better than the GW zed dragon.
The most commonly used undead dragons that I have are the Chaos Dragon by Grenadier, way back when (1986?), and the RAFM Necrodrake. My first undead dragon (the original Ral Partha that I mentioned above) looks kind of weedy these days, but the Colossal Lords undead dragon by Grenadier? Still awesome. (But too fragile to use.)
Think that is the big thing - he is an impressive even if he is still a big lump of plastic in the middle. I think I might pop him open and carve out the meat between the ribs when I get mine all the same though in order to help enhance the skeletal nature of him.
In other news...
From the Paizo Forums from ReaperBryan:
"I'm almost ready to start shipping, but the biggest real news is that after crunching numbers, my estimate of this only taking 3 weeks was stupidly optimistic. This is going to take at least 5 weeks, and possibly longer. Add to that ReaperCon happening in the middle of that fulfillment, which is going to halt everything for at least a week while we do that..."
They still haven't gotten the final shipment. It is in country - but it is buried behind the bureaucratic nightmare which is customs. I am sure it doesn't help that the shipping manifest says something like "bones" on it.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: @AuldGrump Fair enough. We just have different tastes in our dragons, especially zombie dragons. (For me, a living dragon is always more desirable than a zombie dragon.)
@FranktheDM I must admit that I haven't shopped for Schleich/Safari dragons in years and years. I probably wouldn't spend that kind of money on any toy dragon, and I love dragons. I guess my main point is that Kaladrax is not a very impressive model, in my opinion, especially for his price.
I don't know... he seems pretty darned impressive to me for a $10 model.....
For $75... I would wait until I needed one, which, given that I have more than a dozen undead dragons.....
The Auld Grump
That was pretty much my point. For $10, he was totally worth it. For $75? I started to notice his flaws a lot more. I sure wouldn't buy one at that price point unless it was exactly what i needed (which it would never be). There is a price point between those numbers, probably around $50 or so, where it could still be enough of an impulse buy for me not to care (or have to take the time and weigh upon the fact) that the "skeletal" dragon has a detail-free solid core and goofy anatomy in places.
$75 is the price of a starter box or a sweet pledge on some upcoming Kickstarter, and that fact will cloud my eyes every time I look at a $75 Kaladrax. Now, if he came with a mini rule and fluff pamphlet, and was costed as an entire army for, I don't know, Kings of War or something, then I could see him being a consideration. It would be a lot easier to justify spending $75 on one model that I can't even assemble into a pose I like under those circumstances. Maybe.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: @AuldGrump Fair enough. We just have different tastes in our dragons, especially zombie dragons. (For me, a living dragon is always more desirable than a zombie dragon.)
@FranktheDM I must admit that I haven't shopped for Schleich/Safari dragons in years and years. I probably wouldn't spend that kind of money on any toy dragon, and I love dragons. I guess my main point is that Kaladrax is not a very impressive model, in my opinion, especially for his price.
I don't know... he seems pretty darned impressive to me for a $10 model.....
For $75... I would wait until I needed one, which, given that I have more than a dozen undead dragons.....
The Auld Grump
That was pretty much my point. For $10, he was totally worth it. For $75? I started to notice his flaws a lot more. I sure wouldn't buy one at that price point unless it was exactly what i needed (which it would never be). There is a price point between those numbers, probably around $50 or so, where it could still be enough of an impulse buy for me not to care (or have to take the time and weigh upon the fact) that the "skeletal" dragon has a detail-free solid core and goofy anatomy in places.
$75 is the price of a starter box or a sweet pledge on some upcoming Kickstarter, and that fact will cloud my eyes every time I look at a $75 Kaladrax. Now, if he came with a mini rule and fluff pamphlet, and was costed as an entire army for, I don't know, Kings of War or something, then I could see him being a consideration. It would be a lot easier to justify spending $75 on one model that I can't even assemble into a pose I like under those circumstances. Maybe.
I do still think that he is worth the $75 price tag, but I will also admit that being worth $75 and my actually spending $75 are two different things.
That said, I would more likely spend $75 for this than $50 for the zed dragon by GW.
And... a passing thought... how easy would it be to drill out cavities in the Bones material that would be big enough to take a small glow stick? The 'bracelet' kind for the neck, the normal kind for the torso.... Paint the bones with opaque colors, and the spaces between with stains, inks, and/or lacquers.
Id guess that the chest is actually hollow on those. We had had some plastic parts done up, and our engineer said that you try to make everything the same thickness...so you probably have 1/8" side walls and a hollow core. Being virgin PVC, something like an LED or CFL lightbulb should light it up niceley with a little shaving in the thick spots.
Would make for an interesting lamp, to be certain.
Regarding fluff and rules, that is one of the big differences between Reapers core demo and GWs. The customers who Reaper is generally selling at already have fluff and rules for something like this. Whether it is a D&D dracolich or a different systems take on the same creature...they all know what it is, and have rules for it.
I really want to see some pictures of Nethymrmaul the Undying.
I will also be seeing as soon as it arrives just how easy or otherwise it is to chop the bits between the ribs/etc out of Kaladrax - also might see if I can repose him similar to a Trevigon, or even get him flying
Shipping of Bones is go, repeat shipping of Bones is go!
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Cindy A. from Sterling Illinois was the first one out! Thanks Cindy and enjoy your Bones.
Automatically Appended Next Post: and this is how the shipping will work,
people who ordered 1 vampire level (then 2, 3 etc)
then those who ordered 1 vampire level + 1 option eg figure or paint set (then 2 vampires + 1 option etc
Orders will be split into USA, Canada (ships en mass to RAFM in canada for distribution), ROW and in general they will rotate between them based on the scheme above
JWMarines wrote: so... 1 vampire + 25 options is going to be a while. Oh well, at least they're going out!
3x Vampire and over 60 options. Plus Australia. I guess I'll be in the last batch. I also see I ordered 4x Kaladrax...
Actually you get lucky by being Australian this time,
There are fewer international backers than US/Canadians, so yours will be sent earlier than the equivalent sized order from there
(of cource transit time may still get into play)
Automatically Appended Next Post: News just up from Reaper Bryan
The complete Vampire package will have a MSRP of $399 (yes Reaper will be selling them as a full set after KS fulfilment is done)
this will represent a 20% Discount of getting all the models individually.
which makes our (Vampire + backers) $100 deal all the sweeter (and will also please those who jumped in late at, I belive, $150)
Has anyone come across the new sculpt of Hyrekia that comes with Kaladrax? I can only seem to find the old version, and the impression I have is that a new version comes with the big guy.
Buzzsaw wrote: Has anyone come across the new sculpt of Hyrekia that comes with Kaladrax? I can only seem to find the old version, and the impression I have is that a new version comes with the big guy.
hot off the press:
KS backers will get a new Hyrekia but in a separate bag, not in with Kaladrax, and the retail version of Kaladrax won't have her
(I don't recall seeing a decent picture of the finished mini)
Yep...should start seeing a whole lot of pictures of a whole lot of miniatures soon. I have been seeing lots of people posting that they have recieved tracking numbers.
Will be interesting if Kit can get the counter working to display how many have shipped...have a felling that might become the new F5 for a lot of people.
I will also be seeing as soon as it arrives just how easy or otherwise it is to chop the bits between the ribs/etc out of Kaladrax - also might see if I can repose him similar to a Trevigon, or even get him flying
Tervigon? How about a Harridan? Its going to be big enough...
Could someone link me to the thread where people are organizing what they want to sell/trade from the sets? I'd like to get my hands on 2 of the "Fire it up" sets (the 4 translucent red models that were included in every Vampire, and were a $5 add-on).
Also, is there a thread in N&R about these shipping? Someone mentioned there was, and another was locked as a duplicate, but I never got a link to the original "it's shipping" thread.
timd wrote: Tervigon? How about a Harridan? Its going to be big enough...
That would be my thought for a flying version, but I think it will be too big to really stretch it into a flying pose; hence coil it up a bit like a Trevigon - perhaps around a ruined tower.
Hadn't seen that one come in (saw a few people in England who had received tracking numbers though). How was customs for it? I understand they like to go after you guys for that sort of thing pretty hard.
We will determine the customs declaration value of your shipment based on the Pledge Level(s) you chose in your backer survey. We will use the single highest pledge level you have chosen as your customs value.
As examples: if you want two Vampire Levels your receipt will show $100 as that is your single highest Pledge Level. If you are a Ghast Level and added paint and Orcs your receipt will show $15.00.
So while it might be a bit rough on those who have just a single vampire level (comparatively), higher pledges (for example mine at a ~$300 total pledge), of which I believe there's a lot, will get off at the same cost. shouldn't be much over GBP25/EUR30 or so. I hope.
And customs guys usually don't know much about minis, so they might well think that several hundred bucks worth of toys is only $100 (hell I hope so, customs over $300 is NO fun )
I was thinking about that last night when I saw that (not yours in particular...but in general) - and because of the way that Reaper is splitting up the shipping...it is possible that all of the international orders will be shipped before the US orders get into the more complicated orders.
They had said they were going to alternate US, Canada and International shipments each day - and that 80% or so of their backers were from the US...so, yep - probably have all of those international orders underway before they are halfway done with US orders.
Well I got one of the painted model pledges and got an email back saying that they are still waiting for the optional models from china and still got a little bit to choose what I want painted.
Yep, they have it set up to send the message automated when they get the postage tracking thing through their fulfillment system as I understand it. So, when they print the label for your box...you get your email.
And an update from Reaper Bryan on the KS Comment stream...
Bryan Stiltz about 2 hours ago wrote:
@Jason Zavoda - I'm sorry we have not popped in every day to give updates. We are working on shipping, and have completed thousands of orders by this time, with more going out in the next week. We are pushing as hard as we can to get out absolutely every order possible before ReaperCon, and in the last week, Until just now, I have not even going into my office to look at my e-mails, let alone this thread, as I have been managing the shipments.
Beyond that, you raise a few points - one: that we have been allowing walk ins to pick up their orders - yes. If you call us and tell us, then we will print your order, and get your items gathered in a box by our retail outlet. When you come in, you get your box. I'm not sure why that makes you upset, but I will not deny that we are doing it. My crew, the ones that are fulfilling the orders, are not doing this part of the operation, it is being done by store personnel, so it has zero impact on our fulfillment times.
Two:The definitions of tiers: You are correct. I have referred to the tiers but not defined them. I do not at this time intend to give a comprehensive list of what each tier entails. I couldn't if I wanted to, because it's not as easy as "if you got components X,Y,Z you're Tier 2, and people who got A, B, C are tier 3.". It's a function of quantity of items, estimated box size (estimated by volume of the previous factor), estimated weight, and ... other stuff. I am always welcome to go into as much detail as I can when explanations help, but frankly, if I said that today I've got a crew on Box 1, a crew on Box 2, and a third crew prepping box 3, until I tell you further the exact dimensions of each of those 3 boxes, that data doesn't help you. Suffice it to say, we're working on it, we have the entire shop working towards this goal, and I'm not likely to have much time to jump in here and post - and I'm the only one that has the backer account that can post.
I appreciate your feedback - I'm sorry that you have been unanswered while I have been busy, but some of the information you ask for I just cannot give. When will your order ship, exactly? Well, I don't know. Am I going to get through 1,211 orders today or 1,467? Will you be in the 256 that's a maybe (in between those two examples), and ship today or tomorrow? I cannot tell you that until the end of the day, and by then, you've either gotten your e-mail or you haven't. We do not stop at a pre-determined number each day, if we get to X shipment early, we just keep going. That makes identifying a specific day impossible. I can tell you that we created a timetable internally that estimates our progress, and I'm 2 days ahead of schedule, but I'm going to be obtuse and not share that timetable - and I;m doing it in case I lose ground later. I don't want to promise a few thousand backers that I will be finished by day X and then because of an unforseen problem, fail to meet that.
@Cleanthes - I cannot post things like "today we're doing X+Y+Z" because I have different teams, each with a stack of a given size box, working on orders presorted to fit into that box, so we're doing orders with just Vamp+1 paint set, orders with vamps, cases, and (about)10 small add ons, and guys with vamps and cases and large addons, all at once.
Everyone, please be respectful towards Jason, he is excited about his shipment and just wants it quickly, and I totally appreciate that. Jason, if you would like to discuss this further, my e-mail address is bryan@reapermini.com, although I warn you right now I haven't checked my e-mail in 4 days.
In closing, I do appreciate everybody's patience, enthusiasm, and even the impatience. If ANYBODY needs their order flagged because of a move, surgery, or emergency, please please please e-mail us and we will do everything we can to catch it.
What I find encouraging is that he gives two example numbers above 1000 for their daily shipments...now, those might just be random...or they might actually represent real daily numbers (or close to them). That would put things on a good track for having almost all the orders shipped by the ReaperCon break.
Of course...it could just be wishful thinking on my part.
Oh wow. What a bummer! I played in their Monday night Commander games for almost all of 2012 and no one even mentioned the kickstarter on the sales / games floor.
Well, everyone enjoy your high-quality low-cost minis.
Man I hope they are getting through over 1000 orders shipped a day!
Although I almost don't want to get an email confirming shipping, because think of the surprise when I get the box at work and can spread it out throughout my desk!
They may very well be going through 1000 a day for the single vampires. For the most part, that's print label, affix label and ship. They'll slow down when those orders are all done and they're moving onto orders that contain more items and require more precision in picking and packing.
I suspect my 2x Vampire, 3x Paint Set, and 40+ add-ons is going to be way down the list. :(
Pretty sure Bryan had said single vampires were done last week.
Most the stuff I have been seeing people get confirmations for since Thursday of last week have been 3-5 options.
Granted, you will have some slowing as they get into the various add on options (like getting extras of items in a normal Vampire kit). However, you should also have process improvement, as the spirit to live leaves the pickers and they become like robots pulling bones without thinking.
hubbsey wrote: I've never used Kickstarter before. Have I missed the train for this one? Is it still possible to submit pledges?
If you really really like the minies in the Kickstarter I heard somewhere reaper will sell the vampire package at $399 MSRP. Also you can pick up individual items through their website, its still a deal if you compare what other companies are offering.
Another route is the ebay route, I saw a few posting for the vampire package, maybe you will get lucky and grab a deal.
hubbsey wrote: I've never used Kickstarter before. Have I missed the train for this one? Is it still possible to submit pledges?
If you really really like the minies in the Kickstarter I heard somewhere reaper will sell the vampire package at $399 MSRP. Also you can pick up individual items through their website, its still a deal if you compare what other companies are offering.
Another route is the ebay route, I saw a few posting for the vampire package, maybe you will get lucky and grab a deal.
Seriously, an awesome paintjob on an awesome looking mini...
Feth you Alfndrate of the past, Alfndrate of the present needs his bones crack so that Alfndrate of the Future can look back and say, "well feth, I'll never get this painted!"
Keep in mind that once they are available in normal retail channels - you should be able to pick that one up for around $55 or so...which although pricier than the KS price, it is still an amazingly good deal when compared to other large figures.
Some sites like Miniature-Giant offer up to 36% off on Reaper products - so if you get together a large enough order...it could be down below $50.
I probably won't though. To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely pleased with what I got, just a little sad that I'm missing out on that piece. I didn't think I would, but the model has turned out better than I thought.
Edit:
UGH D: Well there goes my chances of seeing my KS rewards during April... :-\ I haven't gotten my "shipped" email, and they aren't processing any more until after the 23rd of April because of ReaperCon...
Alfndrate wrote: I probably won't though. To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely pleased with what I got, just a little sad that I'm missing out on that piece. I didn't think I would, but the model has turned out better than I thought.
Edit:
UGH D: Well there goes my chances of seeing my KS rewards during April... :-\ I haven't gotten my "shipped" email, and they aren't processing any more until after the 23rd of April because of ReaperCon...
Looks like they are planning on keeping working the shipments over the weekend as opposed to stopping them today for Reapercon...
I have a feeling I will be one of the people down the road to get my stuff since I have a Vampire, Cthulhu, and Kaladrax... and the link from Sean someone mentioned that none of the big three had been shipped :-\
I figure to be near the end as well. I added the clockwork dragon, the demons, the forces of nature, and the pathfinder red dragon. (Yes, I not only delayed my shipment, but avoided every incredibly awesome model they did in this KS...)
I also ordered three of the paint sets, which I haven't heard anything about shipping.
One the one hand, I'm in no hurry between Adepticon and moving in May. On the other.. I wish I had made different choices.
So far the most complicated order I have seen shipped was Vampire plus 6 options...and then there is this:
Bryan Stiltz about 2 hours ago
@Charwoman Gene: I had no idea that that guy stole my identity before I even had it! Funny stuff, though!Everybody - please do not read too much into the Dakka comment. YES we are still receiving in trucks. We ordered tens of thousands of each model, and have received a few hundred, or a few thousand, or in some cases, all. I loathe to give specifics, as every time I do somebody jumps on the words as applicable to everything, so I'll give one very vague example. There's an item we have received only 80% of our order for. We have exactly (with +200 units) enough to fulfill, but not enough to ship to distributors, so I am anxious to get those in so we can package them. Are there products that we haven't done yet? YES. Vampires plus paints and a few (1-7) add ons can all fit into my smallest box, and we're working on those first. We have not added in C'thulus and kaladraxes etc. to our filters yet, because those boxes are the size of a vamp and change my calculations considerably. Giants and such also cannot fit inside the vamp box, so they're in the next wave of shipments. And no, I probably won't announce when I begin that wave, I'll probably just do it.So is everything in? No. Is it a problem, not really. Anything I don't have enough of now, I will soon enough.
Somebody speculated (wrongly) that Reaper didn't have some of the figures at all yet and it caused a mild wave of panic/oh noes
(yes they are still getting shipments in but remember they are planning to sell them after KS fulfilment both themselves and via distribution and this is stuff for that)
but it's just progressing as planned.
As far as I can tell what they are doing is using one size of box (which may well be the recycled boxes pairs of vampire boxes came in), if it can fit in there cool, if the pledge needs a bigger box you've got to wait till they move to the next box up
Is that the dragon from before or after the adjustments they mentioned they were going to do it? Looks like the bones around the neck aren't as fat. Pretty sweet model too.
I ended up getting all the dragons (well, all of everything and then some...except the Orcpocalypse thing...). Reaper do a wonderful job on dragons, and I have everyone of their metal ones...I figured that bigger and lighter that wouldn't need me to put on my back brace to move them about (not really...but those big pewter dragons are heavy) could not be a bad thing.
In other news...they must be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, because Bryan had time to comment on this thread:
"I am aware of having suggested over a dozen product ideas for future Kickstarters. Â Warlord was one of the many ideas suggested. Â Cloning me (and a few others) was also suggested."
Hrmmm...inexpensive, plastic, warlord armies? They have a lot of nice figures through that range.
I think the fire and ice giants are Warlord figures, same with the spidertaurs, the big demon, I think one or two mummies, the big frost wyrm...with all the little guys, I would need to check them. There was a thread in their forum that listed them out and what could be used as logical proxies...pretty sure they had covered most the factions.
gunslingerpro wrote: Still no email. Kaladrax is a gift and a curse, or so it would appear.
Ditto
I feel your pain, unfortunately...they are dealing with Reapercon now and have a couple hundred people hanging out in the factory and warehouse talking with their paint folks and sculptors...and generally having a good time. We should see shipments start back up rather quickly after it gets done and they will be getting into more complicated and larger orders too based on the confirmation emails and recieved packages.
No E-mails for me. I got Vampire - Sophie + figure case + 4 add-ons (fish people, Hydra, Frost Wyrm & spider-elf people). Guess I'll be waiting 'til the end.
H.B.M.C. wrote: No E-mails for me. I got Vampire - Sophie + figure case + 4 add-ons (fish people, Hydra, Frost Wyrm & spider-elf people). Guess I'll be waiting 'til the end.
Yours will likely go out before mine.. I got a lot of add-ons lol.. But we know people are getting emails.. Its just a matter of time..
H.B.M.C. wrote: No E-mails for me. I got Vampire - Sophie + figure case + 4 add-ons (fish people, Hydra, Frost Wyrm & spider-elf people). Guess I'll be waiting 'til the end.
/hug
Me either and I just got Vampire plus Orcpocalypse and no sophie. :(
Just been watching the Video of the bones set up at ReaperCon... Man, I'm glad I grabbed Kaladrax and Cthulu, even if I have to wait an extra month thanks to them.
Also, you can hear Reaper-Bryan talking about how Kaladrax was actually meant to be a fair bit smaller, except they read the sizing wrong at the Chinese factory (It was meant to be 11" wide, but they though it was supposed to be 11" Tall, and scaled it up to that), so thanks random factory people for making out miniatures even more epically scaled
The situation for Canadian backers it a bit complicated
The original plan for RAFM to act as a distributor in Canada (so nobody had to pay import charges) did not go ahead, possibly because they didn't make a great job of distributing the metal Sophies
(not sure whether this was down to them, or down to customs messing them about, but a whole bunch of stuff ended up shipped back to Reaper)
So an alternative plan was to deliver via USP but with Reaper acting as an import broker.. that way no fees for the backs to pay.
Canadian government said, sure, no problem, just fill in this paperwork and we can get this set up... Reaper filled in the papers and are still waiting for the Import Broker licence
So as soon as the Canadian Government get it signed and returned Canadian shipping can go ahead
(Reaper are still packing/labelling stuff for Canada, and all of it will be stuck on UPS trucks as soon as the paperworks in)
The original plan for RAFM to act as a distributor in Canada (so nobody had to pay import charges) did not go ahead, possibly because they didn't make a great job of distributing the metal Sophies
(not sure whether this was down to them, or down to customs messing them about, but a whole bunch of stuff ended up shipped back to Reaper)
So an alternative plan was to deliver via USP but with Reaper acting as an import broker.. that way no fees for the backs to pay.
Canadian government said, sure, no problem, just fill in this paperwork and we can get this set up... Reaper filled in the papers and are still waiting for the Import Broker licence
So as soon as the Canadian Government get it signed and returned Canadian shipping can go ahead
(Reaper are still packing/labelling stuff for Canada, and all of it will be stuck on UPS trucks as soon as the paperworks in)
Thank you for the info on this Orlando!
I don't think this is right, as usual, Canadian backers got the shaft.
Thanks Reaper, not that you cared enough to reply to my email! I had to hear it from Orlando. :(
They actually posted in the comments of their "Oh, Ship" update, in the general comments section and also on there forum. I know several of the Canadian backers have been having a laugh about the speed of government approval for a couple weeks now.
On the email, it is unfortunate you didnt get a response...no doubt it was just a ball that was dropped. Reaper is a pretty small company (around 20 people the last time I was there) and they have business as usual plus 19,000 some odd orders with customers no doubt sending emails on a regular basis looking for updates. Normally they respond in a couple days time for any of my messages...but I wouldnt chalk it up to malice or disrespect...just the unfortunate case of having a lot going on at once.
In other news...
Kaladrax and Nethermaul side by side (the smaller skull is from the metal version of Kaladrax).
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Reaper shut down all KS related activity around Wednesday last week to prepare for ReaperCon which is going on in their factory this weekend
(this was scheduled before the KS was even announced)
so depending on when you emailed this might be why they haven't been back to you yet
It's been about 2 weeks with no reply or I'd give the ReaperCon reason a bit of a chance.
Unfortunately, as any Canadian knows, we tend to get Fethed when it comes to anything being shipped in or any promotions or anything else like this. This warranted an actual UPDATE, not posting on the comments section about it. I checked 3-4x and don't see it on the updates, I don't doubt it might be in the comments though (The delays for Canadians).
It's unfortunate that most companies seem to ignore Canada or give us a second rate explanation (not even a full update, just a comment as to why our shipping is fully delayed), but I guess this is my fault also for not living on the Kickstarter site/reaper forums and checking it regularly?
Just saying, it's disappointing this didn't warrant an update. I've been checking my email every friggin day for a tracking # since the original shipping post.
I'm starting (starting) to get a little salty about the shipping delay. I can understand development taking longer, I can understand customs delays, and I can even understand the difficulty of getting a ton of orders out.
It's just annoying that some people got their stuff over a month ago.
Polonius wrote: I'm starting (starting) to get a little salty about the shipping delay. I can understand development taking longer, I can understand customs delays, and I can even understand the difficulty of getting a ton of orders out.
It's just annoying that some people got their stuff over a month ago.
How complicated was your order.. If you got any of the big figures you will be delayed til the end. I am in the same both I have a half dozen addons, but I got all but the cthulhu figure.. They are shipping not unlike most kickstarters that have more problems with production.. When I get the figs I will be a happy dm, but alas I wait for that email saying yes its shipped lol..
Polonius wrote: I'm starting (starting) to get a little salty about the shipping delay. I can understand development taking longer, I can understand customs delays, and I can even understand the difficulty of getting a ton of orders out.
It's just annoying that some people got their stuff over a month ago.
How complicated was your order.. If you got any of the big figures you will be delayed til the end. I am in the same both I have a half dozen addons, but I got all but the cthulhu figure.. They are shipping not unlike most kickstarters that have more problems with production.. When I get the figs I will be a happy dm, but alas I wait for that email saying yes its shipped lol..
But that's the problem, my order is simple, and because I chose to get the big guys I'm having to wait until the end. They had originally stated that orders would be shipped out by complexity, starting with the simplest orders, and then moving up from there. People with more addons than I did and the same number of vampire levels I got (1), are getting their stuff before me simply because I went with the big guys, whom they didn't say were going to hold up orders until the end, until the orders started shipping... If I had known that, I would have gotten far more stuff because then I would be waiting anyways...
I think that with the length of the shipping window, they're putting out orders to "mask" production delays.
Which, I guess, is fine. At some point I'd like them to ship me my Vampire, and hten the rest of the stuff when they can (like Mantic did with KoW).
I'm not livid or anything, and I doubt I'll do much with the models after getting them, but I bought three paint sets, which I am looking forward to using.
Reaper being 3 months off from delivering your rewards is actually a pretty amazing feat, considering the absolutely incredible amount of logistics involved here. Especially when you consider the March delivery was when they were planning the delivery of only 30 newly tooled bones (and the Sophie) and a bunch of goblins, kobolds, and rats!
Plus, I'd rather wait a little longer for my $65 off Kaladraxes and $50 off Nethymaul than pay the full retail for it later. But that's me, I place a greater premium on the cash savings than on promptness of delivery. It's why I can stand ordering from China shop websites and wait the 4 weeks for delivery
Polonius wrote: I think that with the length of the shipping window, they're putting out orders to "mask" production delays.
That was my original thought too. I can see them taking a week off for ReaperCon, I know that OTL closes down shop when we visit a convention, and Reaper was hosting one! (albeit a somewhat of a small one).
Which, I guess, is fine. At some point I'd like them to ship me my Vampire, and then the rest of the stuff when they can (like Mantic did with KoW).
I'm not livid or anything, and I doubt I'll do much with the models after getting them, but I bought three paint sets, which I am looking forward to using.
I'm not livid either, and I won't paint the durned things when I get them, but they will supplement the few DnD figs that I have for my games, I just wish that they would have been a little more forthcoming with the knowledge that my stuff would be part of the last to ship because of my large models...
Polonius wrote: I think that with the length of the shipping window, they're putting out orders to "mask" production delays.
That was my original thought too. I can see them taking a week off for ReaperCon, I know that OTL closes down shop when we visit a convention, and Reaper was hosting one! (albeit a somewhat of a small one).
Which, I guess, is fine. At some point I'd like them to ship me my Vampire, and then the rest of the stuff when they can (like Mantic did with KoW).
I'm not livid or anything, and I doubt I'll do much with the models after getting them, but I bought three paint sets, which I am looking forward to using.
I'm not livid either, and I won't paint the durned things when I get them, but they will supplement the few DnD figs that I have for my games, I just wish that they would have been a little more forthcoming with the knowledge that my stuff would be part of the last to ship because of my large models...
Dear Reaper,
Here's some advice not to suck so hard:
#1. Make shipping arrangements before you start shipping things.
#2. Don't alienate an entire country full of customers.
Thanks,
Will
p.s. - I suggest all Canadians stop supporting Reaper products. This clearly shows what they think of us as consumers, not even important enough to ship our stuff out, they would rather try and save a $1/package shipping.
Eh, it's all balls, and partly UPS's fault at this point. They are really gumming up the works, from what I hear
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here we go, I found a quote from ReaperBryan about the whole importing license and UPS issue with Canada...
"We are working on details that would define us as an import broker, and responsible for our own fees. We'd bulk ship to ourselves in canada, pay our fees, and the UPS would pick up there and deliver.
If it doesn't work that way, we will let people know. If it does, there will be an update to Canadian backers notifying them what to expect.
We had not even realized this was an option until our UPS agent approached us last week, and so we're still working on it.
Our goal is to make sure that you receive your parcels with both minimum delays and minimum fuss, and ideally zero unexpected fees."
This does strike me, a bit (perhaps unfairly), of reaper busting balls to get greens, masters, and production up, and feeling awesome about getitng everything done in time. Only to suddenly realized they have a warehouse full of product and no plan to ship it all out.
I can just imagine a bunch people feeling elated about doing the damn near impossible, only to crash when they find out what they missed.
I am a little bummed not to have gotten my vampire +bigguns and things yet, but so far it is better than Relic Knights, so I am not too put out. I am actually pretty surprised they made their initial estimate to ship at all given my other Kickstarter experiences.
Still... things are starting to slide from "eagerly looking forward to" and "wondering when the hell it is getting here.'
Approx 18,000 backers for this Kickstarter exist. Reaper began fullfilment shipping in late March. KS shipping is being done in stages with the simplest orders first, that is to say the just a single vampire box is simpler than a vampire box plus anything. Canadian Shipping is a little stalled with government paperwork. This is a high priority of Reaper's to resolve. Other international shipping has been successful. At this point, End of April, none of the larger models (Cthulu, Kaladrax, etc) have shipped. Reaper is committed to completing the shipping of this KS before Origins occurs in June. These Bones will not release into retail distribution until all Backers items have been shipped.
Some additional threads linked in the above thread:
Remember an order with anything like Cthulhu, Kaladrax, Nethermyaul etc is is more complex that a similar order with an 'ordinary' add on
simply because they are so big they need a different sized shipping box.
At least to start with reaper are re-using the boxes that the Vampire sets came to them in (each box held 2 vampires) both to save costs and to 'save the planet'.
These boxes won't fit the big guys at all so until they run out of them completely, or have shipped everything else, we'll have to wait (and yes i'm waiting too)
As to the poor Canadians they really do seem stuck. The original plan to ship via RAFM in Canada was basically killed when Canadian customs sent back a whole bunch of metal Sophies Reaper had sent to RAFM for distribution, apparently because this would have meant the recipient's dodged tax
(some speculation on my part as to why, but the sending back happened)
So Reaper could try sending the main stuff to RAFM again (probably with the same result, packages get sent back or worse destroyed, and backers get nothing)
or Ship directly to Canada (so the backers would get an unexpected tax bill along with their stuff)
or register as an import broker so they (reaper) can pay the taxes direct, and then have UPS deliver the stuff. The Canadian government said this was fine, as could be sorted fast, so reaper did the paperwork and is now waiting, and waiting, and waiting
The vast majority of backers only got vampire + one or two add ons
(I want to say 12,000+ of the 20,000 or so but I can't for the life of me say where I've got the number from)
so it may be that they just haven't finished the simple stuff yet
(since it's business as usual in addition to shipping, rather than doing a mantic and basically closing down for a week so everybody can ship)
And now we have an official update (and it shows my speculation was wrong): they've shipped all the can until more stuff arrives from china
Update
First, our Canadian customers.
During the run of our Kickstarter campaign, we promised that we'd get you your stuff without you being nailed with a bunch of customs fees. To that end, we've had to apply for non-resident importer status to Canada. This way, we absorb the cost of the customs fees, and you get local delivery of your pledge packages. Unfortunately, we're caught in a bureaucratic morass of red tape. We were led to believe that we would be finished with this part of the process in December 2012, but we've been there for months now. Happily, we've received word from our customs broker that we're very close to having our application finalized, and as soon as we have the all clear, you'll start receiving your things. We're terribly sorry for the delay, but this was the only way to do it without saddling you with the import fees.
tl;dr: We're stuck in red tape, but the end is near, and we start duty-free shipments to Canada soon.
Now, everybody else.
You know we've been partnering with a company in China to manufacture your Bones figures. They sent us the first of several staggered shipments for fulfillment: five shipping containers with the Vampire boxed sets. We've received and processed those containers, even renting more storage space to hold it all. We also broke down a number of those vampire boxes to process add-ons that were included within the Vampire box. Then we started fulfillment, and we blasted through several thousand pledges much more quickly than we anticipated.
Now we're waiting on shipment two from China. These containers include many of the larger add-ons. We have documentation that we will receive them any day. As soon as we do, we'll continue fulfilling the orders that include the items that arrive in this wave of containers. We didn't expect to go so fast with the first wave, and China took longer to ship wave two than originally promised.
On the bright side, if past performance is any indication, there won't be a huge turnaround time between our receipt of the Bones and shipping them to you. Once we get to your order, our system will send you an email with tracking information for our US customers and a customs confirmation number for our international customers.
tl;dr: We've shipped all we can and are waiting for more stuff from China so we can send out the rest. We'll email when we fill your order.
There isn't anything we would rather be doing that sending you your stuff, and we will be resuming that process as soon as humanly possible.
We appreciate your continued patience and again thank you for your support.
Sincerely,
Ed Pugh
CEO, Reaper Miniatures
they've shipped all the can until more stuff arrives from china
"Re: Additional trucks - the Container we are anticipating arriving this week is not the last one. We know everybody want their rewards - believe me, I want to ship them out and be able to call this project finished, also. We appreciate the patience, the support, and the enthusiasm."
so it looks like more delays are possible in the future
We are currently waiting on only 4 more shipments (Containers) from China, the last of which should be leaving China about one week from today!
It normally takes 3-6 weeks from ship date to arrive at our dock, with 5 weeks being the Average.
As things arrive over the next few weeks we will be able to resume shipping orders, but we are thinking that the bulk of your orders will be waiting for that last shipment to arrive.
We appreciate your patience and support throughout this process!
~Ed
so (sad face) it looks to be 5-7 weeks before they can start shipping the majority of stuff. Longer than I'd hoped (and I'm sure longer than they wanted).
I only hope the poor Canadians stuff is sorted out by the time this lot arrives
So I have some time... Before I put these on a shelf and pretend like I'm going to get around to painting them all any time soon... Oh painting queue, you're a cruel mistress.
I'm tempted to email Reaper and ask if I can add to my pledge. As they are officially going to be late, I'd like to grab some of the cool models that I passed on. I understand that as a supporter, I dont' have a lot of recourse, but it would be a classy move, kind of like how Mantic reopened the BOGO.
Polonius wrote: I'm tempted to email Reaper and ask if I can add to my pledge. As they are officially going to be late, I'd like to grab some of the cool models that I passed on. I understand that as a supporter, I dont' have a lot of recourse, but it would be a classy move, kind of like how Mantic reopened the BOGO.
I agree, but more because I want to drop one add on for another. No reason for a bone giant now that I no longer have a skeleton army...
Polonius wrote: I'm tempted to email Reaper and ask if I can add to my pledge. As they are officially going to be late, I'd like to grab some of the cool models that I passed on. I understand that as a supporter, I dont' have a lot of recourse, but it would be a classy move, kind of like how Mantic reopened the BOGO.
so (sad face) it looks to be 5-7 weeks before they can start shipping the majority of stuff. Longer than I'd hoped (and I'm sure longer than they wanted).
I only hope the poor Canadians stuff is sorted out by the time this lot arrives
Gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed by this. I understand that it's Reaper's first Kickstarter and involves lots of "new" for them, but 3 months over deadline is quite a miss.
I was planning on getting the Reaper figs in time to paint a warband up for our club's Song of Blades and Heroes summer campaign which starts mid June. Based on the original shipping dates I had more than enough time and a big leeway window, but apparently that wasn't enough. Looks like I'll be painting up some swap-meet fantasy lead instead.
Still happy with the great deal on alot of figs and I don't think it will affect my future patronage of Reaper, but I did want to voice my displeasure that a company with as good a CS reputatio as Reaper had such a misstep.
so (sad face) it looks to be 5-7 weeks before they can start shipping the majority of stuff. Longer than I'd hoped (and I'm sure longer than they wanted).
I only hope the poor Canadians stuff is sorted out by the time this lot arrives
Gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed by this. I understand that it's Reaper's first Kickstarter and involves lots of "new" for them, but 3 months over deadline is quite a miss.
I was planning on getting the Reaper figs in time to paint a warband up for our club's Song of Blades and Heroes summer campaign which starts mid June. Based on the original shipping dates I had more than enough time and a big leeway window, but apparently that wasn't enough. Looks like I'll be painting up some swap-meet fantasy lead instead.
Still happy with the great deal on alot of figs and I don't think it will affect my future patronage of Reaper, but I did want to voice my displeasure that a company with as good a CS reputatio as Reaper had such a misstep.
I'm pretty much in the same boat, Reaper has always done some fantastic work in my opinion (I've got gobs of their stuff), and the delayed shipping thing just sucks in general. Will I still buy from them? Yup! Will I probably need to once I get my Bones stuff? Probably not .
Reaper at least shipped out all the sets without the huge sized add ons.
Yes, but there was a lack of communication on reapers part. When they said they would ship the least complicated orders and move into the more complicated orders well they never said what constituted as a complicated order. So Alf ordered 1 Vampire pledge, Clockwork Dragon, Cthulhu, and Kaladrax 3 addons total. So in my mind it wasn't complicated they didn't alert us to the fact that ANYONE with a large model add on would be some of the last shipped, which is kind of a comminications misstep. And they did start shipping on time for the most part, let's not forget that fact.
Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
recruittons wrote: Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
Don't care for your racist remark.
Also, anyone with just a base vampire and no add-ons actually has NO Import fees or taxes to pay at a $75 value. Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
Ever got a KS package from anyone else, such as CMON? No import fees, even at $500+
recruittons wrote: Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
Don't care for your racist remark.
Also, anyone with just a base vampire and no add-ons actually has NO Import fees or taxes to pay at a $75 value. Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
Ever got a KS package from anyone else, such as CMON? No import fees, even at $500+
Having worked in the import business, I suggest you are overly optimistic about how smooth the importing processes are. The rules are never as clean cut as they should be, and the enforcement is never as transparent as the rules. It is actually a little surprising anything gets shipped internationally at all, the way things are.
Also, I don't think "froggy" is racist. Unless you are a frog. Or a toad, perhaps.
recruittons wrote: Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
Don't care for your racist remark.
Also, anyone with just a base vampire and no add-ons actually has NO Import fees or taxes to pay at a $75 value. Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
Ever got a KS package from anyone else, such as CMON? No import fees, even at $500+
Having worked in the import business, I suggest you are overly optimistic about how smooth the importing processes are. The rules are never as clean cut as they should be, and the enforcement is never as transparent as the rules. It is actually a little surprising anything gets shipped internationally at all, the way things are.
Also, I don't think "froggy" is racist. Unless you are a frog. Or a toad, perhaps.
No need to play innocent, most people are aware 'froggy' is a term used to refer to the French. Canada has a large french population and it is our second language. The French are known for complaining to the government a lot.
I am positive 'get froggy on your government' was indeed not meant in a pleasant way.
recruittons wrote: Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
Don't care for your racist remark.
Also, anyone with just a base vampire and no add-ons actually has NO Import fees or taxes to pay at a $75 value. Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
Ever got a KS package from anyone else, such as CMON? No import fees, even at $500+
recruittons wrote: Get froggy on your government and UPS, then. One, the other, or both are taking FOREVER getting Reaper their importer license so that you don't have to pay the tons taxes on your pledge.
Don't care for your racist remark.
Also, anyone with just a base vampire and no add-ons actually has NO Import fees or taxes to pay at a $75 value. Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
Ever got a KS package from anyone else, such as CMON? No import fees, even at $500+
Vampire level is $100 (not $75)
Not if you dropped Sophie which took off $25. They also announced before-hand you would be able to do that.
My pledge for Vampire was exactly $75.
You have successfully locked your Bones pledge stuff into our system.
Here's what you got:
-- Vampire x1 $100
And you paid:
$75
While our system can't change your choices now that you've locked them in, you can update your shipping address and email using the following link:
IdentifyZero wrote: Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
You may have payed $75, but the total value of miniatures in a Vampire pledge is much higher than that.
Also, NEWS FLASH, most of us reading this thread really don't care that you didn't get your package, or specifically why, we're still waiting for ours as well.
IdentifyZero wrote: Brokerage fees & Import taxes are only supposed to come into effect @ items valued $100 and up. Further to the point, NONE of this stuff was purchased items, they are gifts/bonuses for giving our pledge on Kickstarter.
You may have paid (Corrected that for you) $75, but the total value of miniatures in a Vampire pledge is much higher than that.
Also, NEWS FLASH, most of us reading this thread really don't care that you didn't get your package, or specifically why, we're still waiting for ours as well.
The total value is not what is used for customs declaration, the value is in fact what you paid.
Further to the point, most of us reading this thread really don't care that you don't care someone else didn't get their package, or specifically why.
TLDR: I shared my opinion and thoughts, the same as anyone else on this thread. You don't like it, don't read it.
No need to play innocent, most people are aware 'froggy' is a term used to refer to the French. Canada has a large french population and it is our second language. The French are known for complaining to the government a lot.
I am positive 'get froggy on your government' was indeed not meant in a pleasant way.
No, we Americans call the French frogs, not froggy, at least on the east coast. Around here we use froggy to say active or optimistically busy. Also, I don't think anyone in America thinks the French or anyone in Europe are hard on their governments.
Further, "French" isn't a race, it is a nationality. So it would be nationalistic, not racist. Maybe ethnocentric if you wanted to push it.
So yea, you can find offense anywhere you look for it, but getting your panties in a bunch over this is a bit much.
No need to play innocent, most people are aware 'froggy' is a term used to refer to the French. Canada has a large french population and it is our second language. The French are known for complaining to the government a lot.
I am positive 'get froggy on your government' was indeed not meant in a pleasant way.
No, we Americans call the French frogs, not froggy, at least on the east coast. Around here we use froggy to say active or optimistically busy. Also, I don't think anyone in America thinks the French or anyone in Europe are hard on their governments.
Further, "French" isn't a race, it is a nationality. So it would be nationalistic, not racist. Maybe ethnocentric if you wanted to push it.
So yea, you can find offense anywhere you look for it, but getting your panties in a bunch over this is a bit much.
You're not fooling anyone, you clearly meant the term in a derogatory way. You can put flowers on top of a pile of feces but it doesn't change that it is a pile of feces.
You made a derogatory remark about another people/race/country/nationality/ethnicity and now you want to try and brush it off as something else. Bravo. Simply admit to your folly and move on.
I would like to point out that you're not really giving credit to your cause here man. Wehrkind didn't make the remark, Recruittons did. If Wehrkind told you to get froggy on your government and then said what he said in your post your post would have some semblence of being correct here. Instead you're just coming off as someone trying to create drama where there is none.
Much like Wehrkind, I've only ever heard "get froggy" or "feeling froggy" to refer to someone feeling lively or perky, or being anxious to do something. Feeling froggy (from my experience) seems to almost do more with sex , but to get froggy on someone is to be jumpy and anxious, on the verge of starting a fight.
You're coming off like an inconsiderate donkey cave because for your indignant reaction to an American colloquialism.
So how's about you light a fire under the arses of your government to get things in motion? There it has been said in such a way that no racist or nationalist views can come from them!
So how's about you light a fire under the arses of your government to get things in motion? There it has been said in such a way that no racist or nationalist views can come from them!
You must be mistaking me with Reaper. They should have been on this, it is in no way my job or responsibility.
Implying to us Canadians we should be responsible or doing something to speed it up is ridiculous.
It's akin to me saying, all of you Americans need to pitch in and help bring down that 15 trillion national deficit!!!!!
No, I think some individuals on Dakka need to stop defending these companies and stop implying, the consumer should be doing 'work' or anything similar for the manufacturer they bought it from for free in order to get their product.
Anyone who is implying, this is the fault, responsibility or job of Canadian backers to clear up, not only forget their meds, but their brain.
Reaper screwed up, why are some of you clowns attacking us Canadians over the issue?
No, I think some individuals on Dakka need to stop defending these companies and stop implying, the consumer should be doing 'work' or anything similar for the manufacturer they bought it from for free in order to get their product.
Anyone who is implying, this is the fault, responsibility or job of Canadian backers to clear up, not only forget their meds, but their brain.
Reaper screwed up, why are some of you clowns attacking us Canadians over the issue?
We're not attacking Canadians, we're attacking the fact you're getting indignant over a single sentence (the get froggy comment). The reason why I posted the "light a fire under their asses" was because it was a way to get the exact same point across without the "froggy" comment. I realize that you can't do anything to get the government to move faster. Why can't you, as a backer of the kickstarter, instead light a fire under Reaper's ass? I've been trying to get them to speed up my stuff, and I'm not even dealing with the Canadian import issue you are! Calm down dude, they're just toy soliders and monsters that we paid pennies on the dollar for.
Edit: Also, thanks for taking the time to read my carefully constructed post to simply pull a single line out of it and use that to fuel your indignation over this entire situation.
Actually, if you live in a representative democracy, you have a person that, you know, represents you in government. They will often send a letter to an agency trying to get things sorted out. If a bunch of canadians all wrote their MPs, it actually could help.
But, you're lazy, entitled, socialists up there, too busy trying to stay warm to actually better your own lives. I mean, if you cared about yourself, you'd just move to the US anyway, amirite?
Guess who is off-topic? You guys are.
Guess who is gonna catch the hammer next time they post in this thread for anything but a surgical strike of an on-topic post?
Azazelx wrote: Looks like August for me then. If' I'm lucky! Hey, that will be a few weeks short of a year...
Has it really been that long? Yikes!
Yup, I remember getting advertisements during GenCon, and pledging ended like a week after that (August 25th to be exact). The levels of cash they raised and the progress has been staggering, it's just apparently not going fast enough because of the big models :-\
Update from Reaper Bryan on May 15th on the Reaper Forums. I didn't see this earlier. Linky
People that are angry are assuming we knew that the final container would ship May 21 all along.
I'd like to post the timeline as I understood it, and as we posted about it when we began shipping:
**Expected timeline**
~may 25: Shipments begin -> March 30: Next container (A) ships, to arrive late April -> April 15:next container (B) ships to arrive early-mid May -> Late April, Container A in hand, resume shipments after ReaperCon; ALSO final container ( C ) ships to arrive late May -> Early may, ship next phase, using Container B -> Late May: Container C in hand, complete shipping, with an understanding that Early June might be needed for some processing, but we'd know more once we started.
**Actual timeline**
Late April, Container B did not arrive as expected. Customs was the delay, so we held our breath and crossed our fingers and waited for it to arrive, when it was clear that we needed to explain the delay that we had genuinely hoped would not exist, we posted an update. People were angry. Then the Manifest or Container C, which has shipped, did not include all of the items we were missing (this was late last week). We inquired, and discovered that, due to the size of the models, Container C would need to be made into additional containers. A revised schedule was requested, and when one was given, a new update was posted (yesterday). Again, people were angry.
As of this time, Container A is in hand, B & C are on the water, and D & E ship with a window of May 17-21. That's within the week, and I consider that to be good news - much better than the vague "soon" we'd been getting and repeating. We gave the latter date, assuming delays, although to be fair I don't think the earlier date changes timetables much. I'm not sure there's anything we could have possibly done differently. We acted in good faith on the information we had, and continue to do so.
Usually on the water means on the boat before his gets confirmed at the dock. Until the containers hit land it is pretty vague on when they will get there. Once on shore though it is usually just a question of getting them off the boat and only a truck, assuming no problems with paperwork or customs deciding to take a closer look. If the latter, that can take a while.
Alfndrate wrote: So... they don't have Container B or C yet? Or does "on the water" just mean "not yet here"?
It was posted on May 15th, and I haven't seen another update since, so I certainly don't know. I'm hoping that it's on land and clearing customs, but my experience with large containers says 2-4 weeks to clear (I haven't had fool with that in 10 years, though).
Well once it's on the water here's what it looks like to get it to US ports. Hopefully they opted for Long Beach so they don't have the extra time for the ship to offload in Long Beach and where ever else it offloads on it's way to Houston. But that's a haul from Long Beach to Texas, so the freight forwarding charge would be hellish - $2-4k per container with that distance.
United States, Los Angeles 20 days
United States, Long Beach 20 days
United States, Houston 32 days
United States, New York/New Jersey 34 days
Those estimates are for Hong Kong, but it's likely shipping out of Ningbo or Shenzhen. And that's before customs gets it's hands on it, so add another week to that, plus a couple days to get the container from the port to Reaper's warehouse dock.
Whenever they say it hops on the boat in China, add about a month to a month and a half for Reaper to have it.
Yea, Long Beach is an absolute bear to ship into. Probably best to ship there and rail it to Houston, though I have had containers sit at Long Beach for over two weeks waiting for someone to figure out what they are supposed to do with it. Never been there personally, but that place must be a huge confusing mess.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Reaper Bryan has previously said containers from China tend to take between 4-7 weeks (average 5) to get to them at Reaper HQ
(I can't remember if the number includes customs, or if he'd factored that out of the estimate)
Having to go through customs isn't a gunarunteed thing, it just happens sometimes and can add a few weeks to the process.
I have seen entire shipments of food destroyed because one of the containers being shipped contained *GASP!* HAGGIS!
And, for the record, I like haggis... but U.S. Customs wants to keep us safe from sheep offal....
And I really hope that Canada finishes with the danged paperwork - I swan, the U.S. and Canada Customs services have been in a pissin' contest since 2000.
Not one, or the other, both of 'em, in a battle of the bladders.
I missed this post last week from ReaperBryan: Linky This is the last post he's made, and I haven't seen other news on it.
23 May 2013 - 01:35 PM
Hey, I found two seconds to jump on here and confirm that the last boat is on the water, and I have a scheduled arrival time in hand for when it arrives at the Customs Depot in Dallas. I will not be sharing that precise date, because I cannot guarantee fast clearance through customs, but I promise an Update when it arrives. We have already been in contact with our customs agent to make sure that the required paperwork is pre-filed, and those documents that cannot be filed until arrival are at least filled out and standing by to be faxed. We've learned a few things about speeding things up, and hopefully we've learned enough!
Right now, and this is why I won't be on much at all until Fulfillment is over, I'm working on trying to clear out the factory to make room, put what we do have in place, and set up the lines for fastest possible fulfillment. I'm also working my normal production job, so I've had to sacrifice my time on here with you.
I'm still looking at two more "waves" of shipment - one between now and the final wave, that will include everything we have, and (fingers crossed) the Canadian shipments that aren't waiting for Wave 3. The second wave will be speed testing the system for the final wave, and it should go really fast.
I have no precise dates, but that's kind of where I am right now.
Upshot: Expect not to see much of me until July. I'm Probably not even going to see your responses to this.
Heisler, Qwyksilver, Ladystorm, and Shakandara have my Phone #. For urgent issues, one of them will text me, and I ask that if one of them says "Bryan told me" that you assume they're telling the truth, and that I really did tell them that. I trust them, and ask that you guys give them your support.
Have they official said when a majority of these models will hit retail?
I am in the need of some very specific reaper models, but it appears like many of them (like the spirit of the forest) went from a 27$ metal model to a 7$ plastic model.
I also have seen the blow up over some of the retail prices ending up cheaper than the Bones add-on price so I was just curious if they are basically waiting for the KS to be done before retail models are released?
nkelsch wrote: Have they official said when a majority of these models will hit retail?
I am in the need of some very specific reaper models, but it appears like many of them (like the spirit of the forest) went from a 27$ metal model to a 7$ plastic model.
I also have seen the blow up over some of the retail prices ending up cheaper than the Bones add-on price so I was just curious if they are basically waiting for the KS to be done before retail models are released?
They were going to release retail when they finished shipping the kickstarter orders.. At least that is what they have said..
I can totally convince myself that it is not just toys, but also 
Trust me, that was a model that I really wanted to like - and it does look better than the craptastic Sphinxes or the rather horrible giant spider (another model that I wanted to like).
