I believe that Kronk is correct about ruff being correct.
It is an interesting...theory that Reaper is delaying pricing info due to the fact that retail pricing is in fact cheaper than Kickstarter add-on pricing.
I haven't heard anything about the prices changing. As a kickstarter backer, I'm happy with the value I'm getting. If they found out they can do it and charge a buck or two cheaper now, I honestly don't care.
Paizo.com is taking pre-orders on just about everything from the KS right now, and I can tell you that there are definitely things that are cheaper now than they were during the KS. I know the two elemental add-ons are now cheaper (if the paizo listings are correct). If I remember correctly, they were $15 as an add-on, but are now $12 or $13 if you buy both at retail. Other than that, I believe there are maybe 1 or 2 other things that came out to less than their add-on prices.
I don't think Reaper is intentionally delaying pricing info releases, I just think that it's unimportant compared to what else they are dealing with when it comes to the project. Of course, this is entirely speculation on my part.
Right, I figured bones wouldn't see retail until the KS all shipped, does that seem to be slipping to July or August? Or are they shipping in waves, so when a wave of models is shipped, that wave becomes available at retail. I have noticed 'some' bones models are available retail now via their site.
I don't think there are many with price issues, I just have heard the elemental (the models I want) have been a point of contention. I just want them, and don't mind paying for them
There we go. Okay, from what I can tell from Paizo's price listings, the two elementals are $14 at retail (both are 6.99 list price on Paizo's shop). From there, it looks like everything else is more than the KS prices, although some things are much more discounted than others.
nkelsch wrote: Right, I figured bones wouldn't see retail until the KS all shipped, does that seem to be slipping to July or August? Or are they shipping in waves, so when a wave of models is shipped, that wave becomes available at retail. I have noticed 'some' bones models are available retail now via their site.
I don't think there are many with price issues, I just have heard the elemental (the models I want) have been a point of contention. I just want them, and don't mind paying for them
Nothing is going to be shipped to retailers until ALL the KS orders are out of the door (and the retailer specific Undertaker level pledges will be the very last of the KS orders to ship)
that said some independent retailers did buy in at Vampire + Add-ons level so you may see some stuff showing up (not in blister packs) in stores earlier than this.
Nothing is going to be shipped to retailers until ALL the KS orders are out of the door (and the retailer specific Undertaker level pledges will be the very last of the KS orders to ship)
that said some independent retailers did buy in at Vampire + Add-ons level so you may see some stuff showing up (not in blister packs) in stores earlier than this.
That's my understanding as well. We've seen the new bones at a local FLGS, but they are just the polybagged loose figs from the Vampire KS.
nkelsch wrote: Right, I figured bones wouldn't see retail until the KS all shipped, does that seem to be slipping to July or August? Or are they shipping in waves, so when a wave of models is shipped, that wave becomes available at retail. I have noticed 'some' bones models are available retail now via their site.
I don't think there are many with price issues, I just have heard the elemental (the models I want) have been a point of contention. I just want them, and don't mind paying for them
All of the Bones that you see on this page existed prior to the KickStarter, or were released around that time, independently from the kickstarter. I suppose they might be the test launch. Once those started selling well (and I heard they sold initially VERY well), they did the Bones Kickstarter to do everything in house in the future or whatever their plans are.
They said during the KickStarter that they weren't going to sell any of the KS Bones models until they were done shipping the KS packages, IIRC.
I wont be bothered if some models end up a buck or 3 cheaper then I got them for, I will be bothered if mass amounts of bones start to appear in retail stores before I get my stuff.
I also have seen the blow up over some of the retail prices ending up cheaper than the Bones add-on price so I was just curious if they are basically waiting for the KS to be done before retail models are released?
Reaper Bryan posted about it somewhere, the only ones I remember were the 2 forces of nature (elementals),
I think because they ended up needing less tooling (fewer parts)than expected
I dug out Reaper Bryans post from the reaper forums and here it is
"The purpose of Bones as a product line was to provide an affordable yet high quality alternative to gamers and hobbyists. It does that well, in my opinion. The purpose of the KS was to raise the funds to jump-start the line from 29 models to 60, and ended up being well-liked enough to take it out to just over 240.
Retail pricing was determined in a vacuum - we used our pricing models and the costs we still pay (shipping, packaging, labor, overhead, and buying the individual units themselves) and determined reasonable price from that. The fact that we could put $0 in the "mold cost" column, because the KS funded that kept prices down even further - and in this case, at least, that made the difference.
We're sorry about the Forces of Nature. As the line grew, the quote changed, and those models in particular had a larger reward rate than expected - so the Per Unit came in cheaper than anticipated, and we were able to charge less. We *could* have artificially priced them at $7.49 (to make them equivalent to KS price) or $7.99 or higher (to make the KS have been cheaper), but we felt that would be cheating."
Thanks!
Found the thread and the RRP $6.99. As it happens, I bought (ordered? pledged for?) two sets of the Forces of Nature. So it seems I've paid $2 over the RRP for those 4 minis. While some people might think from my posting history that it's the sort of thing that would send me into an apoplexic rage, I'm not without a sense of perspective, so I find that I don't care at all.
It did make me browse through the Reaper KS page again though and see all the models due to come. I reeeealy wish I hadn't done that. August is both so close and yet so far. I can't even properly comprehend how much stuff is going to arrive. (And my wife and I's KoW ones will come in August, as well!)
I'll need some more boxes to hide stuff in (I know many of the more D&D PC type figure will never see the light of day again)
fortunately for me I think the hoped for Bones arrival date will be a fairly KS free zone for me (more because of delays to other projects than careful planning though!)
First, a quick note about Origins. We had been looking forward to seeing you there, but unfortunately we won't be there this year in a booth. Our brother Tim Peaslee will be running demos, so be sure to say hi to him when you're there. We can't do a proper booth this time around because we simply can't spare the labor right now.
Why can't we spare the labor?
Friday, June 7th, we received two 40ft containers full of Bones! For those of you keeping track at home, those containers were filled with over 470,000 models. We're still looking for the last container to be delivered next week, but we have enough to start shipping now.
What's next?
We've unloaded the containers (we have the bruises to prove it). We're getting those models organized into our system and firing up our fulfillment line this week.
We know we're behind our estimated ship date of March, so we've added a second shift for fulfillment so we can process the packages very nearly 'round the clock. We're doing everything we can to blast through these pledges so you can receive your Bones as quickly as we can manage it.
Anyone that is going to Origins, seriously go checkout Tim Peaslee, he's from the store I used to go to during my days in college, he's fantastic and super nice about painting and gaming in general
Been looking through the kickstarter pictures at all the fun things I will (hopefully) be getting soon and really looking forward to playing with it all - even kind of excited to put some paint on it
Not sure if they've resumed shipping yet? The update only says they are "firing up" this week...
Yeah. And if you're getting stuff that's in the final shipment (that Reaper are still waiting on) they won't be sending stuff out to you, either - until that final shipping container arrives. They're doing what they can.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was so excited I bought a half-dozen Bones figures from my FLGS the other day.
Alfndrate wrote: Beginning to suspect it won't be until Late August until I get my stuff shipped out to me...
I'm beginning to suspect you're right. But at least they're coming! Are there any ideas on what's in the last container? If there were, it would be a big clue to see who's stuff IS coming in latest.
And the news we've been waiting for (well sort of)
The FINAL shipment is out of customs and on the road to Reaper HQ, Reaper Bryan posted in the KS comments
Bryan Stiltz about 7 hours ago
I have received confirmation from the carrier of the delivery date for the final truck, and it has now cleared Customs.
It will be delivered to our factory on Tuesday the 18th, which is precisely on time! We're going to scurry to ship as much as we can before then, and then as much as we can after it, too!
It will be delivered to our factory on Tuesday the 18th, which is precisely on time! We're going to scurry to ship as much as we can before then, and then as much as we can after it, too!
the end is in sight
NO. just, NO. You do *not* get to fethin' claim that at this point.
It will be delivered to our factory on Tuesday the 18th, which is precisely on time! We're going to scurry to ship as much as we can before then, and then as much as we can after it, too!
the end is in sight
NO. just, NO. You do *not* get to fethin' claim that at this point.
Hi there! We're running a final systems check before we get your stuff shipped to you. Before we start on your package, we wanted to verify that the address we have on file for you is still your best address. It wouldn't be good for anybody if we shipped to the wrong place and you ended up waiting while we sort out a shipping return!
We're sending your shipment to the following address:
Nunya
007 Nunya Lane
AwesomeTown, TX
If this is correct, then great! All you have to do is sit tight until you get an email with your shipping confirmation. If this is not correct, please visit your pledge manager at the following address to update your shipping information.
Hi there! We're running a final systems check before we get your stuff shipped to you. Before we start on your package, we wanted to verify that the address we have on file for you is still your best address. It wouldn't be good for anybody if we shipped to the wrong place and you ended up waiting while we sort out a shipping return!
We're sending your shipment to the following address:
Nunya
007 Nunya Lane
AwesomeTown, TX
If this is correct, then great! All you have to do is sit tight until you get an email with your shipping confirmation. If this is not correct, please visit your pledge manager at the following address to update your shipping information.
I just got one of those, too... I didn't think it would be till August because I got all of the things. But, I'm trying not to get too excited. I'm convinced its going to show up when I'm out of town, last week of June.
Hi there! We're running a final systems check before we get your stuff shipped to you. Before we start on your package, we wanted to verify that the address we have on file for you is still your best address. It wouldn't be good for anybody if we shipped to the wrong place and you ended up waiting while we sort out a shipping return!
We're sending your shipment to the following address:
Nunya
007 Nunya Lane
AwesomeTown, TX
If this is correct, then great! All you have to do is sit tight until you get an email with your shipping confirmation. If this is not correct, please visit your pledge manager at the following address to update your shipping information.
I just got one of those, too... I didn't think it would be till August because I got all of the things. But, I'm trying not to get too excited. I'm convinced its going to show up when I'm out of town, last week of June.
I am moving to Massachusetts in like... a week, so I feel the same way. If it isn't here by then, it will sit with round 2 of things to move in like a month!
Hi there! We're running a final systems check before we get your stuff shipped to you. Before we start on your package, we wanted to verify that the address we have on file for you is still your best address. It wouldn't be good for anybody if we shipped to the wrong place and you ended up waiting while we sort out a shipping return!
We're sending your shipment to the following address:
Nunya
007 Nunya Lane
AwesomeTown, TX
If this is correct, then great! All you have to do is sit tight until you get an email with your shipping confirmation. If this is not correct, please visit your pledge manager at the following address to update your shipping information.
Got the same message. We didn't order the clockwork dragon, but we did order the "Neyr-whatever the Undying". Don't know when I'll get a shipping confirmation, but it's nice that things seem to be moving along.
I am moving to Massachusetts in like... a week, so I feel the same way. If it isn't here by then, it will sit with round 2 of things to move in like a month!
...well, at least now we know that's not connected. My 14 or so large upgrades might well just have me at the back of the line regardless of what precisely they are, anyway
I am moving to Massachusetts in like... a week, so I feel the same way. If it isn't here by then, it will sit with round 2 of things to move in like a month!
Sweet!
Where in Massachusetts?
On a farm near Harvard, MA. Girlfriend got a job and I decided to tag along. Can't complain about a free apartment with everything paid.
Just to add to the list, I also got the clockwork and got the email.
Bolognesus wrote: ...well, at least now we know that's not connected. My 14 or so large upgrades might well just have me at the back of the line regardless of what precisely they are, anyway
Dunno about that. I got at least one of everything made in Bones material and I got my e-mail yesterday. No Sophies, Cases, or Paints though.
pretty sure it was just a "hey we haven't shipped in a while, is this thing still on? Oh, and make sure your address is still correct." email. I got all the dragons, and paints, and a case, and an email. We'll see when shipping notifications start going out.
Bolognesus wrote: ...well, at least now we know that's not connected. My 14 or so large upgrades might well just have me at the back of the line regardless of what precisely they are, anyway
Dunno about that. I got at least one of everything made in Bones material and I got my e-mail yesterday. No Sophies, Cases, or Paints though.
~Eric
Cases might be the thing, then. Have two of the buggers in there. Well, that's another completely futile enigma cleared up
Just to clarify: The check email was sent out in limited batches because the mail sever only allows so many a day. They were in no particular order and will not be the same order as the shipments. I look forward to someone saying they got their actual shipping email. It should be happening. We've sent out some orders to debug the systems, the last truck gets here tomorrow and then the real fun begins!
Literally as I type this, I'm listening for the sound of the last truck pulling into our dock with the last Container. We should be able to begin the final push this afternoon! It will still take an estimated 8-10 days, though, so we do still need to beg patience.
Please remember that they only have so much space, so of course they need to get orders out asap to fit the newer items in the building! If I'm not mistaken, there was talk before of putting things that couldn't fit into storage.
We did. In addition to the new addition to the building, we had to rent a facility that's equal to our original size. The sum total of Containers received was 10, of which I can fit 4 in the "old" building, and 3 in the new. In order to make it all fit, though, and still have room to ship, we put most of it in the rental and set up the shipping lines and apparatus - perhaps I can get Kit to take pics or a short video of fulfillment, so you can see how much space it takes up.
Just a heads up from the ReaperBryan on their Forums.
Scheduled to get here Monday, which is the day I am moving across the country. Guess I won't be getting them until July (or maybe have someone ship them to me!)
I don't know how they calculate "orders", though. Is a Bones + 1 add-on 1 order or 2? My gut says 1.
one. That's why there's wildly more line items than orders.
Probably. Line items are only 13x times more than orders. Is each "Vampire Package" of 100+ models just 1 line item, you think?
Yes, it's one pre packaged box, otherwise line items would be closer to 100X more than orders using the WAG (wild guess) method
If you look at their preview gallery it will be available eventually for around $400.
They had stated originally that they were shipping simpler orders first, and moving on up from there. Lt. Coldfire got Vampire and 2 addons, I got vampire and 3 addons (all large models), and Cyp... well Cyp put a Reaper employee's kid through college
I'm Vamp + 21... or Vamp+ 25 if multiples of the same addon count for +1 each.
Though, honestly, it's easier to pick orders as you start clearing out all the cartons stacked literally everywhere. Plus your team gets better at it because they start to memorize where every SKU is located on the shelves. So, considering that, I would expect that as they start getting to the more 'complex' orders the pick time will remain about the same. Packing might take longer on bigger orders, though.
Just got my stuff in.... effing drool. Lots of bent staffs and what not (easy to shape back), but the detail is PHENOMENAL. Maybe I jut had low expectations, but I'm blown away at the quality of this stuff.
Oh and the big dragons are friggin epic. Just put Kaladrax together in like 5 mins goofing around at work, it's all "insert tab A into slot B" style. So beautiful it hurts.
Feth me sidways that's a beautiful dragon, so glad I got him. A little envious that I didn't pick up Nethyrmaul, but the Great Old One shall keep my company as I sleep.
Yep everything is individually wrapped for the most part. The big things are REALLY easy to assemble, like my 4yo could assemble. There is a lot of bend staffs, bones, etc but the material is like a rubbery plastic so easy to bend back. The pieces don't feel "cheap" and seem damn near indestructible.
Spoiler sadness though that Nethyrmal is a bit of a let down, but only because Kaladrax is so epic. Neth is a little taller then Kala, but 1/2 of it is a rock. Regardless for the cost he's awesome.
Clockwork dragon has a few flaws, but saying that is just being spoiled. Nothing that about 5 seconds with a hobby knife and hot water won't fix.
I am going to burn everyone's eyesight away when I get my bones... gonna lay out in my swim trunks with my bones models covering my chest and groin take a picture and put the text, "I want you to draw me like one of your French Girls" over it.
Very glad I got Nethyrmal - think he looks great from the pictures posted above. Kaladrax looks better than the official pictures I have seen as well... still tempted to cut away the bits between the ribs - can anyone with the are they hollow or solid?
SilverMK2 wrote: Very glad I got Nethyrmal - think he looks great from the pictures posted above. Kaladrax looks better than the official pictures I have seen as well... still tempted to cut away the bits between the ribs - can anyone with the are they hollow or solid?
They're probably solid, unless there's some sliding mold technology at work. However the good news is that a dremmel with a cutting wheel can quickly get rid of all that fleshy inner area and make a nice skeletal dragon
99% sure it's solid except maybe a small pocket i nthe core of the chest. Cutting out the core of Kala would be a serious pain in the arse. There is a small join line on the right side of the ribcage, but cutting out all that core would take a lot of cleanup work and remove a lot of the stability. If you putt it off though it would be an epic conversion.
What is the material between the bones supposed to represent? What color would you paint it? Dark grey? Bloody skin tones? Purples/pinks like organs?
I'm confused.
Green. Undead glowing green... maybe it can be painted like a rot-laced membrane barely containing the evil that powers him. I think "MUHAHAHA" is suppose to follow statements like that.
Hm. 755 orders shipped yesterday. Just under 12k orders left to ship. If packing time doesn't change especially (with more familarity being countered by more complex orders) that means about 4 weeks of Mon-Fri to get all the items shipped.
Assuming my lot goes out in the final day or two (3x Vamp + cases + paint + at least 2 of each add-on) add three weeks for shipping that load and it'll be just a week or two short of the 1yr-anniversary.
Just an update for those interested. I sorted through all my stuff into three big bags. Stuff I like and have a use for, stuff I like bt don't have a use for, and stuff I don't like to sell. I was rather surprised when I ended up with a nearly 60/40 split of stuff to keep vs sell. I was planning to only keep minimal things and seel the rest, but the models really are impressive.
Mold lines on the dragons were cleaned up and the pieces superglued together. The material is VERY easy to work with and the super glue hold is like granite. When it gets down to the smaller or skinnier pieces the flew of the material makes it rather difficult sometimes. If you have ever tried to cut or scrap 60/40 yellow/blue green stuff it's the same consistency. It's a very odd substance.
I tested boiling water re-straightening of 5 models and was shocked at how the pieces went right back to the correct position with little to no effort. I have one of the super thin staff wielders out to see if it goes back but after 5 hours it's still relatively straight.
BlueDagger wrote: Mold lines on the dragons were cleaned up and the pieces superglued together. The material is VERY easy to work with and the super glue hold is like granite. When it gets down to the smaller or skinnier pieces the flew of the material makes it rather difficult sometimes. If you have ever tried to cut or scrap 60/40 yellow/blue green stuff it's the same consistency. It's a very odd substance.
I tested boiling water re-straightening of 5 models and was shocked at how the pieces went right back to the correct position with little to no effort. I have one of the super thin staff wielders out to see if it goes back but after 5 hours it's still relatively straight.
So what you're saying is that this "Bones" stuff is finely cast.
BlueDagger wrote: Mold lines on the dragons were cleaned up and the pieces superglued together. The material is VERY easy to work with and the super glue hold is like granite. When it gets down to the smaller or skinnier pieces the flew of the material makes it rather difficult sometimes. If you have ever tried to cut or scrap 60/40 yellow/blue green stuff it's the same consistency. It's a very odd substance.
I tested boiling water re-straightening of 5 models and was shocked at how the pieces went right back to the correct position with little to no effort. I have one of the super thin staff wielders out to see if it goes back but after 5 hours it's still relatively straight.
So what you're saying is that this "Bones" stuff is finely cast.
There is a chasm of differenct between finecrap and bones. Bones doesn't break by just looking at it wrong lol. Actually the bones material seems damn near indestructible (within reason).
I am a heavy chap, and while at origins, I had a couple bones models that I was evangelizing about during some game demos.
At one point, I tossed a Vampire Cleric gal up into the air of the convention center, and had her land on a concrete floor, and then *I* jumped up and down on the fig. No damage.
People's jaw's a dropping.. really impressive material.
BlueDagger wrote: Yep everything is individually wrapped for the most part. The big things are REALLY easy to assemble, like my 4yo could assemble. There is a lot of bend staffs, bones, etc but the material is like a rubbery plastic so easy to bend back. The pieces don't feel "cheap" and seem damn near indestructible.
Spoiler sadness though that Nethyrmal is a bit of a let down, but only because Kaladrax is so epic. Neth is a little taller then Kala, but 1/2 of it is a rock. Regardless for the cost he's awesome.
Clockwork dragon has a few flaws, but saying that is just being spoiled. Nothing that about 5 seconds with a hobby knife and hot water won't fix.
Wow, thanks for the pics! Nice set of dragons there
BlueDagger wrote: I'm not sure if they are new or not since I don't know reaper's line well, but there is some really nice looking lizardmen in the set.
I am pretty sure they were new as the KS images just show them as concept art.
So my bones delivery is out for shipment. The real question, will it get to my house before I leave for Massachusetts, or do I have to wait till the middle of July when I come home for round 2 of moving?
Any wagers? I am hoping it gets here before we go, but I probably won't be packing it in the car anyways.
SilverMK2 wrote: I think I am annoying my wife with how much I keep telling her I am looking foward to these models and how I wish to see a shipping email soon
My wife generally goes into full on 'smile and nod' mode when I talk about kickstarters.
I call shenanigans depending on whether it was you or Misk that backed the kickstarter If it was you, Kronk's words might have credence, if it was Misk obviously your statement is flawed
I call shenanigans depending on whether it was you or Misk that backed the kickstarter If it was you, Kronk's words might have credence, if it was Misk obviously your statement is flawed
Misk doesn't have access to the Kickstarter account
A UPS shipping label has been created. Once the shipment arrives at our facility, the tracking status--including the scheduled delivery date--will be updated.
Alfndrate wrote: I just looked at my tracking information, it should be at my house tomorrow... I just looked at the weight... I just got 8.2 pounds of minis
Out of interest guys, how much stuff comes to that weight?
Alfndrate wrote: I just looked at my tracking information, it should be at my house tomorrow... I just looked at the weight... I just got 8.2 pounds of minis
Out of interest guys, how much stuff comes to that weight?
Most of the weight is the Vampire Box, which comes with all of this!
Alfndrate wrote: it looks like it was opened and also had plastic shipping straps put on it.
this is exactly what mine looks like. They are reusing boxes that the stuff was shipped in from China and then they just shipping strap it instead of taping it. Everything was a-okay.
Yep, it stands to reason that the vampire sets make up most of the weight. What I mean is - what's in a pledge that comes to 8lbs? 1 vamp and 3 big dragons? 2x vamp and one figure case? That sort of thing...
Got mine earlier today, the detail on them is great, and they seem almost indestructible from my tests. However, I received 2 left wings with my Cthulhu, and no right.
pretre wrote: So quick question... People just using hot water to fix bent parts?
I used boiling water on mine, and they bent back into their original positions while in the water, I only had to position 2 or 3 further of the 40 or so I put through.
JWMarines wrote: How long are you guys leaving them in the water to get them back into shape?
I was doing about 20 seconds for mine, but they seemed to return to their original shape in about 5 seconds most of the time (in nearly boiling water).
Alf (or anyone with Kaladrax), does he come with the "priestess" model (Hekatria?)? There was some talk at one point that she was going to be included, then not, so wondering how it finally shook out.
Heh, of course I could wait for my 2 to come on Thursday... mmmmm, two bone dragons. What am I going to do with two bone dragons?! Aaaaaaaahhhh!
Buzzsaw wrote: Alf (or anyone with Kaladrax), does he come with the "priestess" model (Hekatria?)? There was some talk at one point that she was going to be included, then not, so wondering how it finally shook out.
Heh, of course I could wait for my 2 to come on Thursday... mmmmm, two bone dragons. What am I going to do with two bone dragons?! Aaaaaaaahhhh!
Do you know what she looks like? In my box, I got Kaladrax, Cthulhu, and Wyrmgear (Clockwork Dragon) in their special bones packaging, then I also got Mr. Bones and this woman with a staff/spear, and then I got my big white box filled with my bones figures.
She is definately meant to be included (in KS purchaces of Kaladrax, not retail ones),
as Reaper Brian specifically mentioned that they could not start shipping Kaladraxes immediately as Hekatria was coming in on the last container to arrive.
So I imagine she'll be a separate human sized mini in the 'add on' pile, not actually in the vampire box
Yeah, I noticed a separate female model outside of the vampire box along with Mr. Bones, Kalandrax and the demons I got. That must have been Hekatria. I tossed her to the side Chris Brown style to open up Kalandrax though, and now she's mixed in with the other 200+ models. She's lost for now.
Yeah, the Vampire order is a single line item. My box came with 4 line items, the "Vampire box" (and it's pile of minis), Cthulhu, Wyrmgear, and Kaladrax... so if you have a 35 line item order, I seriously hope you decide to dive into a kiddie pool and swim in bones .
Has anyone taken a look at their giants? I haven't had the chance to open up my vampire box and look at everything...
Anyone have issues with REALLY spongy models? My Kaladrax's head and tail spike are super soft, like kitchen sink sponge soft. His legs are less than load bearing as well. Some other models are like that too, with others the same size and volume etc being much more rigid.
Wehrkind wrote: Anyone have issues with REALLY spongy models? My Kaladrax's head and tail spike are super soft, like kitchen sink sponge soft. His legs are less than load bearing as well. Some other models are like that too, with others the same size and volume etc being much more rigid.
I found that on the models I've assembled, Kaladrax's head and Cthulhu's head seem to be softer with a little give... not sure how I feel about that, but so far it hasn't bothered me.
Edit: The legs and tail on my Kaladrax was the same density as his body
Wehrkind wrote: Anyone have issues with REALLY spongy models? My Kaladrax's head and tail spike are super soft, like kitchen sink sponge soft. His legs are less than load bearing as well. Some other models are like that too, with others the same size and volume etc being much more rigid.
This is the first I've seen that noted... interesting! I'll have to try jumping on it when I'm over at your place next
Thanks for the info, Alf. I never got C'Thulhu's head to compare!
Kally's tail and body were really rigid, then his head and tail are pillows, with legs in between. Some other models are like that too, like one of my Dark Elves, the sorcerer looking one, is like made out of cloth. I can get her extremities to move by breathing really hard on her...
Alpharius wrote: Are you seeing any miniatures with The Wehrkind Spongy Factor (WSF), as described above?
I'm not sure I would call it "spongy", but the material used for the skull of Kaladrax is definitely not the same as the material used for the body. The body, including the spines on the vertebra, are quite rigid, while the head is rather softer. The fairly thick horns that Kaladrax has are very, very soft and easy to bend.
Alfndrate wrote: Yeah, the Vampire order is a single line item. My box came with 4 line items, the "Vampire box" (and it's pile of minis), Cthulhu, Wyrmgear, and Kaladrax... so if you have a 35 line item order, I seriously hope you decide to dive into a kiddie pool and swim in bones .
You have successfully locked your Bones pledge stuff into our system.
Here's what you got:
-- Vampire x3 $300
-- Large T-Shirt x1 $22
-- 2X-Large T-Shirt x1 $22
-- Ball Cap x1 $18
-- Sophie Box Set x1 $110
-- Fire Giants x2 $20
-- Ebonwrath x2 $20
-- Frost Giants x2 $20
-- Starter Paint Set x1 $18
-- Undead Paint Set x1 $18
-- Mind Your Manors x2 $20
-- Figure Case x4 $100
-- There Be Dragons x2 $30
-- Demons x2 $30
-- Deathsleet x3 $30
-- Mister Bones x4 $4
-- Undead Giant x2 $20
-- Mythos Monsters x2 $20
-- Clockwork Dragon x3 $45
-- Red Dragon x2 $20
-- Starter Set 2 x1 $18
-- IMEF Paint Set x1 $18
-- Spider Centaurs x2 $20
-- Fire Giant Warriors x2 $20
-- Forces Of Nature x2 $30
-- Frost Wyrm x2 $20
-- Nethyrmaul x2 $50
-- Deep Dwellers x2 $14
-- Griffon x4 $16
-- Hydra x2 $30
-- Kaladrax Reborn x4 $40
-- C'thulhu x4 $40
-- Jabberwock x2 $20
-- Kickstarter Sophie x1 $25
-- KS Sophie UL x1 $28
Of course, mine is undoubtedly going out in the last couple of days...
They've got hiccups in the Canadian & International shipping at the moment
USPS has got to arrange a special truck/trucks to park at their loading dock for international shipments & they won't commit the truck so no international shipments till they do(this makes Reaper Bryan sad)
Canada's western provinces apparently need yet another sort of paperwork (sigh) and the UPS rep they need on site seems to have temporarily evaporated so Canada is stalled as well (poor Reaper Bryan really wants to get this all finished)
so they are going full speed ahead on US shipments.... lucky US backers!
USPS has got to arrange a special truck/trucks to park at their loading dock for international shipments & they won't commit the truck so no international shipments till they do(this makes Reaper Bryan sad)
USPS has got to arrange a special truck/trucks to park at their loading dock for international shipments & they won't commit the truck so no international shipments till they do(this makes Reaper Bryan sad)
Canada's western provinces apparently need yet another sort of paperwork (sigh) and the UPS rep they need on site seems to have temporarily evaporated so Canada is stalled as well (poor Reaper Bryan really wants to get this all finished)
I wonder how long this has been "in inaction", so to speak? Since they've been shipping for 2 weeks now, I wonder why we're only hearing about it now?
Automatically Appended Next Post: And yeah, no update for something like this?
Yesterday was (I think a ROW day) and when the expected truck was not there (or they got a call saying it was not going to appear) they switched back to US shipping.
The Canadian stuff was (I think but could be wrong) Wednesday when they suddenly found that the needed an extra form for parts (the west?) of Canada, goodness knows why the USP rep didn't catch it earlier, but a couple of hundred orders had actually shipped out. Some have made it into Canada, others were/will be turned back at the border(again!).
So back to waiting for the USP rep to be around to tell them exactly what to do (and finding and filling in more forms)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Yesterday was (I think a ROW day) and when the expected truck was not there (or they got a call saying it was not going to appear) they switched back to US shipping.
The Canadian stuff was (I think but could be wrong) Wednesday when they suddenly found that the needed an extra form for parts (the west?) of Canada, goodness knows why the USP rep didn't catch it earlier, but a couple of hundred orders had actually shipped out. Some have made it into Canada, others were/will be turned back at the border(again!).
So back to waiting for the USP rep to be around to tell them exactly what to do (and finding and filling in more forms)
I found Bryan's comments. It read to me that ROW will take 2 days from start to completion (so they haven't been cycling through the three "territories" as they earlier said they would) and so we're now dependant on a super special truck from somewhere to come and sit there for 2 days because for some reason they can't go on any of the normal USPS trucks that appear to be fine to sit there for as long as needed to be filled with their daily orders. (That they also use normally for non-KS deliveries, I imagine.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: I should stop following the shipping details and this thread. They're just pissing me off.
Alpharius wrote: Are you seeing any miniatures with The Wehrkind Spongy Factor (WSF), as described above?
After going through all my Bones, I did find one figure like this, the female elf pirate. It seems to be made of a very soft rubber, and is extremely bendable.
On the issue of miniatures unable to support their own weight, I am having that problem with Deathsleet, which sags under the weight of its wings.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Yesterday was (I think a ROW day) and when the expected truck was not there (or they got a call saying it was not going to appear) they switched back to US shipping.
The Canadian stuff was (I think but could be wrong) Wednesday when they suddenly found that the needed an extra form for parts (the west?) of Canada, goodness knows why the USP rep didn't catch it earlier, but a couple of hundred orders had actually shipped out. Some have made it into Canada, others were/will be turned back at the border(again!).
So back to waiting for the USP rep to be around to tell them exactly what to do (and finding and filling in more forms)
I found Bryan's comments. It read to me that ROW will take 2 days from start to completion (so they haven't been cycling through the three "territories" as they earlier said they would) and so we're now dependant on a super special truck from somewhere to come and sit there for 2 days because for some reason they can't go on any of the normal USPS trucks that appear to be fine to sit there for as long as needed to be filled with their daily orders. (That they also use normally for non-KS deliveries, I imagine.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: I should stop following the shipping details and this thread. They're just pissing me off.
Haven't you figured it out yet?
The U.S. is at war with Canada, this is a demoralizing tactic....
Unfortunately The Canadians are playing these games too, so the folks waiting for their Bones are getting it from both sides....
There are now only two people in my group that have not gotten at least a shipping notice.... I expect that I will be the last one, standing forlorn as everyone else pours their boxes on the floor and rolls around in them....
The Auld Grump - my girlfriend's cat (Khatt) has already done so....
Did anyone else notice an "extra" packed into their box? I was pulling everything out of the big bags that the vampire level comes in, and at the bottom of that box was an extra baggie filled with the NOVA team... did anyone else get something like this?
Reaper Bryan and a few volunteers are actually in this weekend concentrating on packing up the really huge orders (US/ROW & Canada) that will slow the line down during the week.
They're also having to hand check each Kaladrax as there have been too many reports of missing parts from backers for comfort (the left and right front legs seem to look similar enough that some got miss-packed in Chinese factory)
Dakkamite wrote:So is there any way to buy one of these sets now that the kickstarter is finished?
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Yes you will be able to buy the Vampire Box at retail once all the KS backers have had their stuff shipped
Last I heard it will be around $400 (sold separately the minis would come to about $500)
Reaper themselves will certainly be doing this, not sure if it will be going out to dirstribution and game stores too
(you may also want to take a look on Ebay as some are selling whole Vampire Boxes and they seem to be $250-300 at the moment)
Alfndrate wrote: Did anyone else notice an "extra" packed into their box? I was pulling everything out of the big bags that the vampire level comes in, and at the bottom of that box was an extra baggie filled with the NOVA team... did anyone else get something like this?
Reaper has a tendency to add extras from time to time. I have ordered kits from them and on the invoice it includes a note about the possibility of extras included as a thank you. I've gotten a couple of models that way and some paint. By the way the Holiday Green "Christmas Wreath" is one of the best greens I've ever seen and used. I choose the skeleton level on the KS and still got a Mister Bones. So it's really just reaper being awesome.
Yeah, Christmas Wreath green paint was a fantastic inclusion during the 12 days of minis promotion a couple years ago. They also included mini candy canes. I can remember it well because it was one of the only things to make me feel really warm and happy and in the holiday spirit 'round then.
I still have no shipping notice... and not expecting it for a while. I'm the prettiest of them all!
Out of interest, how long does the US shut down for around the 4th of July? Obviously Thursday the 4th, but are either Wed 3rd or Friday 5th likely to be a holiday as well?
Azazelx wrote: Out of interest, how long does the US shut down for around the 4th of July? Obviously Thursday the 4th, but are either Wed 3rd or Friday 5th likely to be a holiday as well?
Depends on the company. Banks and the post office are generally only closed on the day of.
Got our Bones in, and Zeus promptly decided we should finish doing 'real work' before opening the box:
Then the power went out and that stopped any 'real work' from happening, took the bone over to a decent window and opened it up, everything looks good aside from some bent swords and the spongy head on Kaladrax.
To the folks with Spongey model syndrome, are you going to ask Reaper for a replacement?
Bent weapons are an acceptable part of metal, resin and vinyl models, but if any of my model figures are spongey enough that they indent when pressed, I'll be asking for a replacement.
Same here - I'm sure, given their track record for Customer Service, they'd be happy to help make a somewhat dissatisfied customer into an extremely satisfied one!
So basically, once their tracker on their website shows everything has been shipped, are they going to release the KS figures for retail? I wasn't able to back this, but I've eagerly been awaiting my chance to mass a quick cheap army of IMEF Marines and Nova Corps troops.
Barzam wrote: So basically, once their tracker on their website shows everything has been shipped, are they going to release the KS figures for retail? I wasn't able to back this, but I've eagerly been awaiting my chance to mass a quick cheap army of IMEF Marines and Nova Corps troops.
Yes, in fact a number of them are already up for preorder on Paizo and a few other sites.
I am going to probably ask for a replacement on a few really spongy models, yea. Kaladrax's head might be workable, but a few weapons and staves are so soft they are going to bend with the touch of a brush. I tried already, and they are more flexible than the bristles, so that's a no-go for me.
However, just for bent stuff, reshaping is easy just by dropping in hot water. Interestingly, if you reshape it, then drop it back in the hot water you can watch it go back to the original shape. That was fun.
I suspect that the spongy model stuff was a deliberate choice made when casting to allow parts with overhangs to be removed from the molds. If we start comparing models, I bet we would find that all of the same parts are spongy.
So far I've found Kaladrax's head & tail tip, We Be Goblins, Medium Fire Elemental & Red Dragon. I'm sure more will be found as I dig through the rest of the vampire box.
RanTheCid wrote: I suspect that the spongy model stuff was a deliberate choice made when casting to allow parts with overhangs to be removed from the molds. If we start comparing models, I bet we would find that all of the same parts are spongy.
So far I've found Kaladrax's head & tail tip, We Be Goblins, Medium Fire Elemental & Red Dragon. I'm sure more will be found as I dig through the rest of the vampire box.
Possible, but I hope not. I can't imagine any faster way to discredit bones as a miniatures material than deliberately spongey parts.
My Kaladrax head, (possibly his tail), Cthulhu's head, I didn't notice it on the goblins (I can check again tonight), possibly the sword on my Storm Giant, and that's all I really noticed it on. My fire elementals were fine, but I'll check again.
Medium fire elemental is the one with wings right? If so she fell behind my bookcase D:
Looks like they've changed their shipping order again (without communicating anything) but someone dug out of the comments that they're not going to start doing RoW orders until they're below 4000 (rather than the US/CA/RoW they stated earlier. They say they're "waiting on a truck from UPS" for RoW, which seems a bit odd at the least. It's also looking like surface mail now...
Alpharius wrote: WSF is very much a deal breaker for me - that is in no way acceptable!
Have Reaper seriously not commented on this yet?
I wouldn't panic until I have it in hand if I were you. The Minotaur that I bought to test out the material was pretty soft. Not "spongy" but still very soft.
Interesting to see if it is commented on by Reaper though.
Alpharius wrote: WSF is very much a deal breaker for me - that is in no way acceptable!
Have Reaper seriously not commented on this yet?
I've not seen anybody bring it up on the KS comments or on the Reaper forum (and I'm ROW and waiting for mine to ship, but if I have the problems I'll ask them)
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Latest on shipping from Reaper Bryan on the KS comments (4 separate posts)
First and foremost the reason I haven't given news about ROW is because I don't have any. We are waiting for word and until we have the go ahead (read: until they send a truck) from the post office we are stuck. We don't have the room in the shop to prestige the boxes and hold them until the truck gets here, and I'm sorry but it sucks for everyone.
I have no news regarding ROW. We continue to await the truck, although we are glad that we discovered the Kaladrax problem before shipping ROW so we can be sure your orders are all accurate. This is purely selfish, as shipping replacements overseas is horrifically expensive.
If we finish US with no word on ROW from the postal service, we will at that point have room to prestage the orders. We will not return to normal production until all the orders are done as far as we can get them. I speak daily with our uPS rep and the postal service rep, and promise to update as soon as I have news that isn't "no news".
(and this is clearly probably even more frustrating for Bryan than it is for those of us waiting as he had a family holiday booked and paid for starting today but can't go as the Bones shipping isn't done so he scrambling to cancel hotels/rearrange bookings & having to explain to wife/kids why they can't go away)
After checking all the miniatures, I have found that my medium fire elemental, we be goblins, Cthulhu's head, and one of the pirates all seem to have the WSF.
Yeah, I started it because I thought it would be most likely to attract Reaper attention there.
No response yet, but I wouldn't entirely blame them if they concentrated on shipping before worrying about this. Normally not shipping a bad product would take precedence, but I don't imagine they have the time to QC check every Kaldrax and storm giant right now and folks are likely more excited about getting their shippment than they will be disappointed if a couple of figs are spongey.
Just a note- you can compress them slightly, but you have to really try to do it. It's not something you can just pick up and mash, you have to have a vice-like grip on it.
Just went back to my Cthulhu, the model is as solid as a fething rock. The head is the only piece that is in question on him, and you can't do much to it. The head seems fine on the model and I can't compress it much. The only thing that is "bendy" are the spines and the tentacles coming from his mouth.
I didn't notice the WSF with my We Be Goblins, but I did notice that they were flimsy, and I chalked that up to them not having thick enough legs to have a solid base.
No, it is not. My Storm Giant Queen does not have that bulge.
My Cthulhu's head is spongy as well. Even the thick tentacles flop around and bend like those little rubber choking-hazard toys you can buy out of gumball machines. I'd be more concerned if I thought I might ever getting around to painting him. On the other hand, my wife might want to paint him up, so I'll probably ask them to correct the flaw... unless it's a "feature".
My Kaladrax has two left arms and his tail (the second smallest section) is miscast. However, I have to admit that the model looks much better in person than in the official Mantic Reaper photos.
I am also missing an elf paladin and a nova hero (Marcus Garvin), but have an extra Nova sergeant. My fire giant has 2 right chains and no left chain. The mage Juliette is miscast in that her hand is a flipper.
I still have to sort some of my models, but so far the majority of them have been great casts, even if the hot California sun has warped most of them.
No, it is not. My Storm Giant Queen does not have that bulge.
My Cthulhu's head is spongy as well. Even the thick tentacles flop around and bend like those little rubber choking-hazard toys you can buy out of gumball machines. I'd be more concerned if I thought I might ever getting around to painting him. On the other hand, my wife might want to paint him up, so I'll probably ask them to correct the flaw... unless it's a "feature".
My Kaladrax has two left arms and his tail (the second smallest section) is miscast. However, I have to admit that the model looks much better in person than in the official Mantic Reaper photos.
I am also missing an elf paladin and a nova hero (Marcus Garvin), but have an extra Nova sergeant. My fire giant has 2 right chains and no left chain. The mage Juliette is miscast in that her hand is a flipper.
I still have to sort some of my models, but so far the majority of them have been great casts, even if the hot California sun has warped most of them.
I noticed my Fire Giant came with two right chains as well- and neither fit. I just shaved the ends and glued them into place. Still looks fine.
Cthulu's head was spongy as well, and a few other odds and ends(Bone Giant club for starters). Not to mention if it has a blade, haft, or bit poking out, it's going to be bent all over the place. I spent about two hours last night boiling water and fixing things. One base on a Lich(i think) was warped so bad it won't straighten out.
I haven't been following much of the Bones topics. My buddy and I were going though the box of Bones he traded a friend for, and I was shocked by the large amount of super bendy weapons. Just the pressure of touching a spear or staff could bend it 90 degrees. Also all the small figures like the goblins were bent flat all the way to their bases at the ankles.
I know all the ways to heat-bend such figures into shape, but I can't see a reason to spend any time painting any of the figures for him, as I can't be in any way confident that the paint will stick, even with a primer. Most of them are softer than the figures from the D&D or Star Wars CMG lines. Seems like the paint will scratch right off, even if it's not just outright cracking and flaking on the bendy sections.
Actually, you'd be surprised how well paint sticks during a bend on Bones. I have a few myself, all painted up, and I put them through a bit of light rough treatment (Not throwing them off a roof, or anything, but bending thin bits in half, etc) and never had an issue. Flaking and cracking just never seemed to manifest, although rubbing off can happen if it's improperly sealed or if the plastic goes unwashed.
BUT, you absolutely MUST wash them before painting, and it is always best to apply an unthinned coat of paint first thing, if you're not priming. Those two things will greatly increase the survivability of the paint on the mini.
paint them with un-thinned acrylic for the first coat (really important, thinned paint sticks really badly to bones, once you've got a layer of paint on you can go back to your normal procedure)
and think about whether you really need to varnish over the top
acrylic paint will flex with the plastic (even when it's bent 90 degrees) it's only if you've got an inflexible undercoat (like gesso) or top coat (like thick gloss varnish) that you'll get cracking
Then something wasn't washed correctly. Because the kid who traded them to my buddy had painted one of the knights up with GW paints, and I could take the paint off with just rubbing it with the the pad of my thumb.
I've been painting minis for more then 15 years now, and this is one of the mediums that definitely worries me- especially on the flexible parts.
AegisGrimm wrote: I've been painting minis for more then 15 years now, and this is one of the mediums that definitely worries me- especially on the flexible parts.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'll absolutely agree with Recruittons here
wash the bones,
paint them with un-thinned acrylic for the first coat (really important, thinned paint sticks really badly to bones, once you've got a layer of paint on you can go back to your normal procedure)
and think about whether you really need to varnish over the top
acrylic paint will flex with the plastic (even when it's bent 90 degrees) it's only if you've got an inflexible undercoat (like gesso) or top coat (like thick gloss varnish) that you'll get cracking
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'll absolutely agree with Recruittons here
wash the bones,
paint them with un-thinned acrylic for the first coat (really important, thinned paint sticks really badly to bones, once you've got a layer of paint on you can go back to your normal procedure)
and think about whether you really need to varnish over the top
acrylic paint will flex with the plastic (even when it's bent 90 degrees) it's only if you've got an inflexible undercoat (like gesso) or top coat (like thick gloss varnish) that you'll get cracking
Anyone tried them with Vallejo acrylic primer?
I did and it adhered fine. Not tried a bend test yet but as soon as I can (away from home for a few more days), I'll let you know how that goes.
Azazelx wrote: Oh, I'm meaning on these "spongey" bits, not on the more general Bones material (I have a fair few Bones here that I've bought over the last year+).
Ah, gotcha.
Looks to be awhile before I receive mine yet, but since I'll likely get it before you do, the offer still stands. Ill put some on the extra flexible bits and see what happens, provided someone doesn't beat me to it.
Wehrkind Spongy Factor... sounds like I am the poster child for ED...
I emailed Reaper when I got done digging through my set about the sponginess and missing bits, and they said pretty much what Cyp posted, that they would get back to me when they are done.
Wehrkind wrote: Wehrkind Spongy Factor... sounds like I am the poster child for ED...
I emailed Reaper when I got done digging through my set about the sponginess and missing bits, and they said pretty much what Cyp posted, that they would get back to me when they are done.
Good to hear - please keep us updated!
WSF is no joke!
Though you should see what some on the 'official' Reaper forums are focusing on - like the one character who claims there cannot be a problem, as there's no way the material could be 'sponge-like', therefore, there is no problem!
Huh?
I'm looking forward to Reaper's official word on this, and the solution both for people unhappy with it, and moving forward.
Heh, yea Alph, I scrolled through a few pages of that, giggled at the fact I was mentioned, then proceeded to throw up a little in my mouth at the discussion before deciding it wasn't worth commenting on. Obviously Reaper is is the right hand of THE LORD and could never have had a subcontractor make a mistake in a few production batches. In light of this new revelation I have mended my ways, and after a brief and glorious castration have set about to spread the good news to all!
Actually, I am watching the Avengers with my wife and just waiting to see what Reaper says. Also contemplating making/buying a set of armor for my cat to be posed in, as apparently I am becoming an interwebz phenomenon. Those theoretical royalty checks should start coming in any second!
When I find my camera I will take a few short videos of some of the worst bits, which are less rigid than the paint brushes I would use to paint them :(
Automatically Appended Next Post: PS: I do really like and respect Reaper as a company, and have had some lovely chats with some of their staff. One of whom owes me one silver medal from a few years back; I have yet to call it in because a post it note with 'I owe you one silver medal" in a wooden case is too awesome to lose. Nothing but love for the company and their people, and I am sure everything will be fine.
The fan boys on the forums however... wow. It makes me weep a little for humanity.
Wehrkind wrote: Heh, yea Alph, I scrolled through a few pages of that, giggled at the fact I was mentioned, then proceeded to throw up a little in my mouth at the discussion before deciding it wasn't worth commenting on. Obviously Reaper is is the right hand of THE LORD and could never have had a subcontractor make a mistake in a few production batches. In light of this new revelation I have mended my ways, and after a brief and glorious castration have set about to spread the good news to all!
Actually, I am watching the Avengers with my wife and just waiting to see what Reaper says. Also contemplating making/buying a set of armor for my cat to be posed in, as apparently I am becoming an interwebz phenomenon. Those theoretical royalty checks should start coming in any second!
When I find my camera I will take a few short videos of some of the worst bits, which are less rigid than the paint brushes I would use to paint them :(
Eh? I read through that same thread, and think you're being waaaay over dramatic about it - 99% of posts are just normal people trying to get to grips with the issue. Buglips is about the only over the top one, he's a bit of a fanataic, but he's also done a whole bunch of paint and durability tests for bones (which I've been following since the kickstarter began). I never saw anyone say it couldn't possibly be a manufacturing problem, or that it shouldn't be taken seriously.
At any rate, I'm betting the Kaladrax and Chuthlu heads are just made softer so they can be molded as single pieces - springiness to get them out of the molds - though it could well be some were made far softer again by mistake. I'll be very interested in seeing the video - bones that are too soft to paint will be an issue, and one I've heard of in relation to some of the early bones figures.
Eh, perhaps I am more sensitive about people making uninformed statements and questioning the motives/sanity of people who think they might have gotten a bad product by mistake. Too many posts came across as attacking the people saying they had a problem, or just straight saying they did not in fact have a problem, despite any evidence to the contrary. Might just be me though.
I'll definitely post the link to the video when I get it done today though. Assuming I can find that bloody camera...
Wehrkind wrote:Eh, perhaps I am more sensitive about people making uninformed statements and questioning the motives/sanity of people who think they might have gotten a bad product by mistake. Too many posts came across as attacking the people saying they had a problem, or just straight saying they did not in fact have a problem, despite any evidence to the contrary. Might just be me though.
I'll definitely post the link to the video when I get it done today though. Assuming I can find that bloody camera...
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Wehrkind, I read it the same way.
When I started that thread on the reaper forum, I didn't expect quite how fanatical a few of the fans would be. They did raise a few good points, but it did seem to be alot redirecting the issue to make it a matter of folks not understanding the Bones material, and basically asking folks not to bother Reaper with it right now. I found it mildly offensive have it suggested that the onus was on the customer, and not the retailer, but it should be noted that this was from FANS, not from Reaper. Reaper hasn't responded to the issue. A bit odd, but I have every confidence they will address it after the products have shipped.
I read the first few pages of that thread, and haven't gone back simply because I'm waiting for a reaper rep to step into the thread. Have I missed anything?
Just to be clear, since I was probably writing the auto-appended post while Maddermax was writing his reply:
PS: I do really like and respect Reaper as a company, and have had some lovely chats with some of their staff. One of whom owes me one silver medal from a few years back; I have yet to call it in because a post it note with 'I owe you one silver medal" in a wooden case is too awesome to lose. Nothing but love for the company and their people, and I am sure everything will be fine.
The fan boys on the forums however... wow. It makes me weep a little for humanity.
It wasn't anything Reaper was saying, or possibly even the majority of the posters. Just seemed like for every person saying "Hey, I think I have that problem too. Is this normal?" there was at least one guy immediately saying his models were actually fine and perfectly consistent across the board, and possibly questioning his heritage and whether his parents were married upon his birth. That's all.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, as promised. Apologies in advance for the slight blurriness and length.
I learned 2 things today... 1) I've been pronouncing wehrkind incorrectly for what... 2 years? 2) He owns calipers... I haven't seen calipers used for something other than measuring fat D:
Edit: As someone that played with Bones last year, the "rubbery" factor seems to be what I experienced at GenCon with one of the gnoll models, but I'm not an expert and would defer to Wehr in such casting matters.
Hehe you and pretty much everyone else I have ever met have been surprised at the pronunciation Good thing I didn't go with Owguimut as my online persona so many years ago
I am definitely no casting expert when it comes to this Bones stuff, just was tossing out ideas as to what could be causing it to be like that. I was quite surprised to find it actually was a little more rigid today than it was before, and it reminded me of my own work pouring stuff too soon.
Thanks for posting that, Wehr*! Lots of good info. And, yeah, I read that Reaper thread as more than a bit hyper defensive and denialist from some of the posters, but at least there were others who were more rational.
I just got my UPS shipping notice today... 16.9 pounds, vampire +21, expected delivery July 11th!
*I've mentally mispronounced it forever, too.
Edit - correct line count after getting reaper mail with items listed.
They need USPS to send a truck for them the pack ROW into and nothing has shown up yet
If they finish the US stuff they will pack & store ROW (as there will then be space to do so) so it can be trucked out as soon as one show
from what's been posted by those close to reaper (but important to note not any reaper staff) it sounds as if USPS might reject a huge load of international packages even if Reaper hired a truck to 'dump' it on them, as has been pointed out they've had massive jobcuts recently due to sequestration (that failure to sign off on the budget)
so we wait and hope, and as Reaper have publicly stated they're not selling or distributing bones until all KS orders have gone out be certain to DO want to ship it all as fast as possible
I'll check when I get home, my Kaladrax has been assembled since the night I got my box, the same with Cthulhu. Whose head did seem firmer last night, though his tentacles still have give, which I'm okay with.
Have to agree with the rubbery qualities of Kaladrax and how they are getting to be less, just a bit. It might be that fresh out of the box, he was far warmer being in the box and is now properly cooled? I mean, it feels almost exactly like a latex rubber, as far as texture and flexibility is concerned. I'll be emailing Reaper once fulfillment is over about this, and the single missing mini from one of my vampire boxes (I was missing Berkeley from the Zombie Hunter set, the girl with the chainsaw. I ended up getting two of the sheriffs )
Nice video, I really enjoyed it! I was hoping to see the head of the dragon that has the WSF, though... any chance of a follow-up?
High Chancellor Pudding cup was actually yelling at a fly that had the audacity to fly around and not land in his mouth. Unfortunately, said fly landed in my iced coffee and died of caffeine overdose. I discovered that on the last swig. Had to gargle with like a gallon of Listerine :( Still, the auditory version of a photobomb
And yea... people have been assuming it is Where-kind for a long time. Also "Weird-Kind", but I think that was just that one girl in my WoW guild. I used to get a little punchy waiting for raids to start And I am not even going to pretend I can say 'Gymnogyps' or 'Alfandrate' correctly. Or even spell them so.
As to the dragon head, it might be a little stiffer now. I sort of poked it a bit at the beginning, thought "Hey, that's odd," made a note of it then moved on to counting the rest of the pile. I don't have anything directly comparable size wise other then other parts of the model. The legs are a bit too bendy I think too, and yet the body is rock solid with just a tiny bit of flex on the dorsal ridges/vertebra. So go figure.
Next time you swing by RiTides I will show you. It's a pretty cool model, even if roughly cat sized. The next video might involve new challengers appearing.
EFT fixed the pronunciation of my name, there is a character named Alfindrate, and the spelling for him is closer to the phonetic spelling of my name. Though it's more like Alf-in-dreight (like crate or weight or wait)
Wehrkind wrote: Anyone have issues with REALLY spongy models? My Kaladrax's head and tail spike are super soft, like kitchen sink sponge soft. His legs are less than load bearing as well. Some other models are like that too, with others the same size and volume etc being much more rigid.
Alpharius wrote: Are you seeing any miniatures with The Wehrkind Spongy Factor (WSF), as described above?
Tales from a Lazy Gamer: The Vampire kickstarter box is super convenient right now. We played a quick D&D game on Sunday and I just left it next to my DM stuff and grabbed minis out as we went. Had the players grab PCs at the start of the game. And I don't feel bad about throwing them in after they die.
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