Hulksmash wrote: And if the Giants get funded then I crumble.....I wanted all the fire/ice/storm giant models and the fact that I can swap out sophie means I could get all of them and all the models for $105.....That's just to damn good to pass up. I'm sure I can find a use, even if just painting, for some of those models.
I seem to be blind... where is it mentionned what you can get for swapping Sophie ?
I think the material is actually one of the strong points for these mini's. It allows them to have sizes available that would be unfeasible in a heavier material, and you could probably even drop one and it would survive.
While the material is softer than usual, it is strong and won't snap or break like resin.
I like to think of them as a sort of Fantasy action figure line, collectibles like all the old toys I used to have as a kid, except with the added bonus of I get to paint and work on them, plus they have excellent detail.
Surloch wrote: I think the material is actually one of the strong points for these mini's. It allows them to have sizes available that would be unfeasible in a heavier material, and you could probably even drop one and it would survive.
I agree. So far everything they've done could be done in resin or metal, but it's far sturdier and more resiliant in Bones.
I love the heft of metal, but the price of Bones wins for me. Also, for large and/or fiddly models, Bones is ace!
Also, it's not really that bendable. It's flexibility only really comes into play with really thin items like chains and spears and those are the areas where you most want flex because with metal, plastic or resin, you can get breakages. With Bones you just get bend.
Having met some of the fine people at Reaper Miniatures and been to their Denton, Texas facility, I can say that this couldn't have happened to a more dedicated and miniature-hobby-friendly company.
I have more than my share of Reaper miniatures that I've painted for D&D, and I can't wait to get my kick starter haul!
Well, we just did something really big, so let's do something tiny! Something you've been asking for a long time! Gnomes and Halflings! These 4 Half-Sized Heroes will be automatically added to your Vampire or Undertaker Level pledge when we make this goal!
DaveC wrote: Well I was a backer for 2 days then I watched some video reviews of the bones range I hadn't realised how bendy and soft the plastic used is whilst it holds the detail great it's just not a material I'm interested in even at such a great bargain price so I'm out best of luck to Reaper hope they have a great surge right at the end and you all get many many more minis.
The paint stays on. The detail is amazing. Does it really matter that if I intentionally push on his weapon, it moves a bit?
Yep it does to me that's just my opinion and that's how I feel about the material no point trying to change my mind my $125 won't greatly affect anything. As i said great deal best of luck to them hopefully lots more stretchs and minis to go for all
DaveC wrote: Yep it does to me that's just my opinion and that's how I feel about the material no point trying to change my mind my $125 won't greatly affect anything. As i said great deal best of luck to them hopefully lots more stretchs and minis to go for all
That's cool. I was just worried you might be missing out ona great deal because you though the paint might come off or the detail wasn't as good or soemthing.
The only think I don't like about the material is that mould line removal is taking about 50% more time. I'm sure I'll get faster once I get used to the material.
MightyGodzilla wrote: Dude I just signed up for the Vamp, and I'm going back in for $40 more for the $15 clockwork dragon and the $25 dracolich. My wallet hates me for buying so much on one paycheck. Two Hot Toys 1/6 scale figs, 6th ed Box set, and now this (I gotta tell someone who won't slap the gak outta me). My wallet.....it hates you all.
I have to admit, this is the first I've really heard about/paid attention to the "Bones" material - is it really a big deal or a potentially negative thing?
Alpharius wrote: I have to admit, this is the first I've really heard about/paid attention to the "Bones" material - is it really a big deal or a potentially negative thing?
Especially on the larger miniatures?
I heard that it was similar to finecast, but with the proper casting techniques.
Havent used it myself, but that alone makes it sound good.
Just poking my head in here to provide anecdotal evidence that the Bones material is pretty awesome.
Just finished a Bones Minotaur the other day, and everything went really smoothly (I picked it up at my FLGS to test out a model before committing to the Kickstarter). The tail and his cleaver were bendy, since they were rather thin, but they went right back into place and never stayed out of position for long. It held the paint I was using (Vallejo and Citadel) very well, no need to base it at all.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: Bones is awesome and I wuv it ever so much. Spend all your money on this thing.
Hmm, with the ability to swap out sophie, even more tempted to jump on this. Would take the other two male/female Giant sets and add $10 for one of the Dragons.
Ga'h, gonna have to think it over. So much stuff though, some one from Reaper just said to buy all the figs plastic/metal that you get in the Vampire level is $1086, that's madness.
High quality acrylics (Vallejo, Reaper MSP, P3, Coat d'Arms, Citadel, etc.,) are actually quite flexible when dry, so they stay on the slightly bendy parts just fine.
It's slightly more flexible than finecast, but with no casting imperfections. There are slight mould lines that take a bit more time to remove than metal ones. I use an emery board cut to a point. Files are not great at removing the mould lines, but a knife blade probably works the best if you're in a hurry.
Do I wish it was a little harder and less bendy? Definitely. Is it still great? Yes.
Alpharius wrote: I have to admit, this is the first I've really heard about/paid attention to the "Bones" material - is it really a big deal or a potentially negative thing?
Especially on the larger miniatures?
I heard that it was similar to finecast, but with the proper casting techniques.
Havent used it myself, but that alone makes it sound good.
Not finecast, not resin - it is a proper plastic (yes...resin is plastic...blah, blah, blah). Bones is PVC as opposed to Polystyrene like hard plastic miniatures or polyurethane like resin cast figures. Same type of material as they use to plumb houses with - only a little more flexible of a blend. It is injection molded in big metal molds, like you do with a proper plastic - so no bubbles, not miscasts. The reason that a flexible plastic was chosen over a rigid plastic was that a few years back, Reaper was looking at the rising cost of metal and trying to figure out how to give their customers more value. They could redesign or create new miniatures and do them in hard plastic. They could do resin, though those are even more labor intensive than metal. Or they could use a softer plastic which is able to be injection molded and still have some level of undercuts. They chose the last option.
I posted these links a few pages back. They primarily talk about the material and how it compares to metal...since that is what was new about it. I like it a lot. Some people won't though I am sure.
It's PVC, so basically the same stuff as HeroClix, MageKnight etc.. only without the crappy pre-paints by $5/day-earning Malaysians.
Moving the casting over to Texas will only be a good thing for the quality, too... the main issue with outsourcing things to the East is that the companies over there often aren't familiar with the quality standards expected of the product and treat it in the same way as the cheap childrens toys they also make.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Ah thanks for the link, answers my question, probably means it is less likely I'll be getting on board, but still considering.
Tough month, 40K 6th box, Werewolf Kickstarter due anytime, possibly CSM at the end of the month.
Not sure I can stretch this to fit, will wait to see the actual pre order for the 6th box and any extras before I make my final call.
Keep in mind, this one ends in 34 hours. Not sure if that will fit the pre order for the boxed set.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Should either be up at midnight, or tomorrow morning, think its midnight based on the 6th book release.
Cooilio
Since GW started to implement their "state secrets" policy, I have just become generally more annoyed with them. What has leaked looks like it should be interesting - but it is an interesting contrast between this and that (on so many levels). Figure I might pick up the boxed set after all the clamoring has died down and I can get em cheaper on eBay or through a discounter.
This though - deal ends on Saturday...so for me, it is a no brainer. Plus, I like dragons and giants...this has those in spades.
Oh its an amazing deal. The only stumbling block is the scale for me. If they where GW scale, I'd have pledged already, but the slightly smaller sizes means its only useful for a couple of games.
As I don't use miniatures when tabletop roleplaying, it becomes what board games can I use them in. Less attractive if the scale removes them from pretty much anything GW has done.
Still might pledge though, just for the range of figs it'll add to Descent.
Yeah, that's why I'm not in on this one... I don't do RPGs, just wargames, and can't use most of the stuff. I also have too many random models already so I don't need more just for quantity's sake.
I'm sure lots of folks will find use for at least some of the models, though, and they won't have to use all that many to make it worth it...
But I wouldn't really have a use for the vast majority, and my funds are going to Dreamforge
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Oh its an amazing deal. The only stumbling block is the scale for me. If they where GW scale, I'd have pledged already, but the slightly smaller sizes means its only useful for a couple of games.
As I don't use miniatures when tabletop roleplaying, it becomes what board games can I use them in. Less attractive if the scale removes them from pretty much anything GW has done.
Still might pledge though, just for the range of figs it'll add to Descent.
They are GW sized. Not sure where that rumor keeps popping up from.
Back in the 1990s - Reaper was a smaller scale - in line with Ral Partha at the time. Since the late 1990s and onward though - they have been scaled to match quite well in terms of height as GW figures. Some of them are more slender though. Not true scale slim, but less thick than say a GW Cadian. There are plenty of pictures out there on the internet which show side by side comparisons as well, so you don't have to take my word on it either.
Remember, if you are thinking about this, or are one that is just pledging $1, and expecting to buy at this price with the survey that Reaper has already said they will not allow that. Although, pledging $1, and getting 1/2 paint is also a good deal, and a fig case that holds 150 minis for $25 is not a bad thing either.
Great value. Main reason I am getting it? I was watching Youtube painting videos and the painter mentioned that he really improved his painting bu painting other types of minis. Made me decide to buy some. Well, right about that time this KS started.
Besides, I figure the Chronoscape and Pathfinder figs will get painted and sold, the Nova and IMEK will get kept to add variety to Sedition Wars. The Zombie Hunters I will paint and sell/trade to someone that got in on Zombiecide etc.
A word of warning for UK lot, the taxman will fething rape you.
My missus got her mom to send her 60$ glasses last week, and she stupidly put "60$ value" on the shipping form. It arrived and they wanted £22 to be allowed to hand it over.
£14 for fees and an £8 customs charge!
So you will get raped by the taxman if its $100. Id expect to have to hand over £30 at least.
Anyway, I reckon Ill only use about 30 of the minis, but its too good a price to pass up. I'm also getting mine sent to my mate In Missouri, and then I'm going to visit him for Easter and bring them all home myself!
If anyone has a mate in the states, Id recommend getting them sent there, because that $25 extra will rapidly turn into $75 extra if the fething tax man has his say! :(
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Oh its an amazing deal. The only stumbling block is the scale for me. If they where GW scale, I'd have pledged already, but the slightly smaller sizes means its only useful for a couple of games.
As I don't use miniatures when tabletop roleplaying, it becomes what board games can I use them in. Less attractive if the scale removes them from pretty much anything GW has done.
Still might pledge though, just for the range of figs it'll add to Descent.
They are GW sized. Not sure where that rumor keeps popping up from.
Back in the 1990s - Reaper was a smaller scale - in line with Ral Partha at the time. Since the late 1990s and onward though - they have been scaled to match quite well in terms of height as GW figures. Some of them are more slender though. Not true scale slim, but less thick than say a GW Cadian. There are plenty of pictures out there on the internet which show side by side comparisons as well, so you don't have to take my word on it either.
Thats when I knew of them, back with grenadier and Ral Partha, if some one can show me some of the current figs scaled next to GW I might be more interested, although I was under the impression they are not heroic scale, hence the look out of proportion next to the GW range, and I'm a stickler for that sadly.
Not the most helpful answers but this is from the help section on kickstarter
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They are GW sized. Not sure where that rumor keeps popping up from.
Back in the 1990s - Reaper was a smaller scale - in line with Ral Partha at the time. Since the late 1990s and onward though - they have been scaled to match quite well in terms of height as GW figures. Some of them are more slender though. Not true scale slim, but less thick than say a GW Cadian. There are plenty of pictures out there on the internet which show side by side comparisons as well, so you don't have to take my word on it either.
+1 for this - they are the same heroic scale - but Reaper tends to have less ham-fists and the like... er... usually.
I use their Dwarf and Elf heroes in my Dwarf and Elf armies - mix perfectly.
Thats when I knew of them, back with grenadier and Ral Partha, if some one can show me some of the current figs scaled next to GW I might be more interested, although I was under the impression they are not heroic scale, hence the look out of proportion next to the GW range, and I'm a stickler for that sadly.
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So, with it winding down what is everyone else in for?
I am in for Vampire atm, trying to decide what I want for add ons.
I think I might go with
Mind Your Manors
Demons
Mythos Monsters
Undead Giant
Pathfinder Red Dragon
Fire Giant Warriors
Forces of Nature
Deep Dwellers
Nethermaul the Undying
Trading out Sophie to cut the cost a tad.
Then I am thinking about the paint sets and probably a figure case.
I am really on the fence for the paints, since I usually buy a color as a I need it. But with a million new figures to paint I could almost definitely put them to use.
That and I don't necessarily have a use for any of the minis, so I am sort of on the fence with the add ons. They are all awesome and a great deal though, which is sucking me in. I may cut down on the add ons.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Oh its an amazing deal. The only stumbling block is the scale for me. If they where GW scale, I'd have pledged already, but the slightly smaller sizes means its only useful for a couple of games.
As I don't use miniatures when tabletop roleplaying, it becomes what board games can I use them in. Less attractive if the scale removes them from pretty much anything GW has done.
Still might pledge though, just for the range of figs it'll add to Descent.
They are GW sized. Not sure where that rumor keeps popping up from.
Back in the 1990s - Reaper was a smaller scale - in line with Ral Partha at the time. Since the late 1990s and onward though - they have been scaled to match quite well in terms of height as GW figures. Some of them are more slender though. Not true scale slim, but less thick than say a GW Cadian. There are plenty of pictures out there on the internet which show side by side comparisons as well, so you don't have to take my word on it either.
Thats when I knew of them, back with grenadier and Ral Partha, if some one can show me some of the current figs scaled next to GW I might be more interested, although I was under the impression they are not heroic scale, hence the look out of proportion next to the GW range, and I'm a stickler for that sadly.
Understand that - scale creep can be a bugger to keep on top of. Luckily for me, someone else was kind enough to post up a bunch of pictures above...saves me from hunting, or worse...digging out the camera.
The big thing that you will notice differences on are things like the proportions of waist to height (Reaper is slightly narrower) and head to height (Reaper heads are not quite as large) and hand/foot to head (Reaper hands and feet tend to be smaller). On the table - they look good together. If you get right on top of them - you will likely notice the differences.
MightyGodzilla wrote: Dude I just signed up for the Vamp, and I'm going back in for $40 more for the $15 clockwork dragon and the $25 dracolich. My wallet hates me for buying so much on one paycheck. Two Hot Toys 1/6 scale figs, 6th ed Box set, and now this (I gotta tell someone who won't slap the gak outta me). My wallet.....it hates you all.
Which HT figures?
@Scipio.au
I picked up the SDCC Captain America Rescue Version on Monday. And Nick Fury ought to be here today or Monday. Cap a is truly awesome fig the pics just don't do justice. And we all know Sam Jackson is a bad motherfuc.....shut yo mouth! Anyways two of those on one paycheck makes me wonder about my sanity.
But to the Kick! Man I can't believe they broke 2 mil last night. Loving the giants! Want to see what's after the halfling heroes, because I think that strech will be hit too.
Clockwork Dragon!!! That fig is inspiring. Enough that I'd like to run a D&D game where he's the end boss! Can't wait to paint him. Stuff like this is why I luvs me the Reaper.
And now some more monsters! Bring on the Constructs! A Flesh Golem, Stone Golem, Iron Golem, and Clay Golem, ready to menace your players, or just serve as brutes to give them nightmares!
Alpharius wrote:I have to admit, this is the first I've really heard about/paid attention to the "Bones" material - is it really a big deal or a potentially negative thing?
Especially on the larger miniatures?
It's definitely softer than the usual styrene. I haven't handled clix figures much, but it seems similar.
Scraping mold lines with the flat of a knife didn't work well, but it cuts easily, and files work just fine. The feel of the material is a little strange to get used to.
I also tested out the "no primer needed" claim. I dabbed on some old GW foundation paint, let it dry for ~10 minutes and tried to gently rub it off. No go. I worked at it for a good couple of minutes and eventually managed to work most of it off the highest ridges, and smudge some color around. Some Vallejo model color rubbed off very easily for whatever reason, but all the citadel stuff stuck tight. I finished painting it with GW stuff, and I'd say the finish is probably as good as if I painted a metal figure and varnished it.
JonnyB wrote:I have to ask. I don't play Chaos, but might as Allies with my Cron. Could those Demons be used as a Greater Demons? Would they be size appropriate?
That's exactly what I plan to use them for. I like the second pic in Sean_Obrien's post best. The one on the right is on a 2" base, which is almost identical to a 50mm square fantasy base. So maybe a bit shorter than a Bloodthirster, but still comparable IMO.
Slinky wrote:I don't really know why as I don't currently play any games these could be used for, but Kickstarter is funny like that
I feel the same way. I want a bunch of the options, but I don't have much use for most of the 'fantasy adventurer' types. And yet, I find myself trying to rationalize why I should get them anyway.
It's definitely softer than the usual styrene. I haven't handled clix figures much, but it seems similar.
Scraping mold lines with the flat of a knife didn't work well, but it cuts easily, and files work just fine. The feel of the material is a little strange to get used to.
I also tested out the "no primer needed" claim. I dabbed on some old GW foundation paint, let it dry for ~10 minutes and tried to gently rub it off. No go. I worked at it for a good couple of minutes and eventually managed to work most of it off the highest ridges, and smudge some color around. Some Vallejo model color rubbed off very easily for whatever reason, but all the citadel stuff stuck tight. I finished painting it with GW stuff, and I'd say the finish is probably as good as if I painted a metal figure and varnished it.
I've compared it to the "clix" figures and it's a fair bit different. The Clix plastic has some bend to it, but feels slightly dry and brittle. You can bend them slowly but you can also snap them with a quick break. The bones plastic is bendier and feels denser. I bought the purple worm and the Gnoll to test it out - you can bend, twist and smash it and it won't break - just snaps back into place. It feels like a really dense detailed board game piece.
I also did the multi-paint test and totally agree with you - Foundation paint - or the Reaper HD high def paint - work amazingly well. I put a layer of foundation paint then ink and layer with normal paint and I was not able to scratch off the paint once it was wholly dry. I was very impressed.
I've compared it to the "clix" figures and it's a fair bit different. The Clix plastic has some bend to it, but feels slightly dry and brittle. You can bend them slowly but you can also snap them with a quick break. The bones plastic is bendier and feels denser. I bought the purple worm and the Gnoll to test it out - you can bend, twist and smash it and it won't break - just snaps back into place. It feels like a really dense detailed board game piece.
I also did the multi-paint test and totally agree with you - Foundation paint - or the Reaper HD high def paint - work amazingly well. I put a layer of foundation paint then ink and layer with normal paint and I was not able to scratch off the paint once it was wholly dry. I was very impressed.
I've never actually handled a Bones mini, but I figure there enough people who have. Is the plastic used in the Bones minis anything like the plastic used for the models in the SuperDungeon Explore game by SodaPop? I have handled that stuff and I do own quite a few Heroclix and Cryptek's description of Bones plastic made me think of SDE. If the plastic is like the SDE plastic I think that'd be very very cool to get a pile of miniatures in. Although gluing that SDE dragon....grrr!
I've compared it to the "clix" figures and it's a fair bit different. The Clix plastic has some bend to it, but feels slightly dry and brittle. You can bend them slowly but you can also snap them with a quick break. The bones plastic is bendier and feels denser. I bought the purple worm and the Gnoll to test it out - you can bend, twist and smash it and it won't break - just snaps back into place. It feels like a really dense detailed board game piece.
I also did the multi-paint test and totally agree with you - Foundation paint - or the Reaper HD high def paint - work amazingly well. I put a layer of foundation paint then ink and layer with normal paint and I was not able to scratch off the paint once it was wholly dry. I was very impressed.
I've never actually handled a Bones mini, but I figure there enough people who have. Is the plastic used in the Bones minis anything like the plastic used for the models in the SuperDungeon Explore game by SodaPop? I have handled that stuff and I do own quite a few Heroclix and Cryptek's description of Bones plastic made me think of SDE. If the plastic is like the SDE plastic I think that'd be very very cool to get a pile of miniatures in. Although gluing that SDE dragon....grrr!
Oh and new molds, less mold lines! Yay!
No - Bones is softer and more rubber-y than the hard plastic SDE uses. It's nice stuff though.
This is killing me.
I don't know if my will can hold out for 26 more hours.
I've got to find some way to keep myself from looking at this damned Kickstarter again.
MagickalMemories wrote: This is killing me.
I don't know if my will can hold out for 26 more hours.
I've got to find some way to keep myself from looking at this damned Kickstarter again.
MagickalMemories wrote: This is killing me.
I don't know if my will can hold out for 26 more hours.
I've got to find some way to keep myself from looking at this damned Kickstarter again.
Eric
Just turn off your computer and take your little lady for a nice dinner and some drinks.
Don't think about Reaper or their new plastic miniatures line. You can always just buy the ones you want individually lat...
OH MY GOD!!! GET IN HERE AND LOOK AT THIS NEW STRETCH GOAL!!! Are you kidding me!
ve used all the various miniature materials and even repainted a bunch of prepaints (D&D, mage Knight, Heroclix, etc) . I find bones to be superior to all other vinyl type figs (similar physical properties, but much better detail) and on par with plastic and metal figs for detail and quality. I realize that the springy nature of Bones will worry some folks, but it really is quite firm (unless you purposely bend it) and it doesn't affect the paintjob, As a miniature casting material, I have yet to see where Bones is inferior to metal, hard plastic or resin.
Alpharius wrote:I have to admit, this is the first I've really heard about/paid attention to the "Bones" material - is it really a big deal or a potentially negative thing?
Especially on the larger miniatures?
I think it's actually a positive, especially for larger models. It holds it shape well (it won't melt in a car like some resin or plastiresin) and yet is light and flexible enough that a fall to the floor won't damage it. Also, it's much lighter than metal, so larger models benefit alot from being made in Bones as wings, limbs and other extensions won't break as easily as with metal or resin.
The one drawback is that Bones isn't yet made in multipart kits, so they're not customizable as easily as GW-style plastic kits. It is extremely easy to cut however, and superglue will bond it very well.
It's definitely softer than the usual styrene. I haven't handled clix figures much, but it seems similar.
Scraping mold lines with the flat of a knife didn't work well, but it cuts easily, and files work just fine. The feel of the material is a little strange to get used to.
I also tested out the "no primer needed" claim. I dabbed on some old GW foundation paint, let it dry for ~10 minutes and tried to gently rub it off. No go. I worked at it for a good couple of minutes and eventually managed to work most of it off the highest ridges, and smudge some color around. Some Vallejo model color rubbed off very easily for whatever reason, but all the citadel stuff stuck tight. I finished painting it with GW stuff, and I'd say the finish is probably as good as if I painted a metal figure and varnished it.
This was roughly my experience also. Bones doesn't file or scrape. Flash (though there's usually almost none) has to be cut away or you can reportedly get an emery board to "file" it off. I bought one and tried it out and it wasn't any more difficult to cleanup than a metal/plastic/resin fig, you just use a different technique.
As for the no-primer thing, I used my usual Craft paints in the Folk Art and Delta brands and they stick great and cover well. The exception was the Folk Art metallics which took two coats to cover, but that was probably a paint issue.
MagickalMemories wrote: This is killing me.
I don't know if my will can hold out for 26 more hours.
I've got to find some way to keep myself from looking at this damned Kickstarter again.
Eric
the options boy.... the options!
I understand that afterward, people will be able to "trade" the vampire stuff for the options/extras listed. It may very well be that I'll be getting a handful of dragons and megamonsters instead of 200 miniatures....
I love that I'll finally be able to justify hulk-ifying the one golem. I've wanted to do one for a while but couldn't bring my self to spend the money on a totally silly mini I'm not really interested in. But at 2-3 dollars it's only a matter of finding the green stuff.
Yeah, that's why this one doesn't work for me- so many various different kinds of models, and I could only use a few... but I can see the value overall, I just don't think it would be worth it for me.
I'd feel bad about having 150 of the minis destined to be stuck in my wardrobe for all eternity, doomed to the "never going to paint" pile, while I paint and use the other 50+ that I have a use for and the big dragon.
Awesome Kickstarter though, most well-managed KS by any tabletop gaming company, ever. Having accountants run the joint definitely helps. I love how they are still able to offer freebies to everyone even at this late stage, by calculating their expenses and making the stretch goals gradually longer so that they can still afford to make the freebies happen.
kronk wrote: I think the only thing you can trade in the Vampire level is the Sophie, but perhaps that will change.
check the videos, one of them mentions that if you don't want X, you can trade it for Y, and one of them was sophie. They hinted that when the survey or manager or whatever comes out, that you'd be able to do quite a heck of a lot with it, which suggests to me that everything is interchangeable or swappable. They're probably doing themselves a favor, because if someone only wants a few big items and is willing to trade all of their wee stuff for it, then, hott damn, it saves them money and labor.
As for all the comments about unwanted minis
Turn them into lots, and sell them off for a wee ammount... Or find a D&D ring or whatever that didn't realise this deal was going on and sell them the unwanted stuff. They'd be willing to take it....
Then there's the fact that you could always make a game board with lots and LOTS of statuary... maybe a grave-yard centered on heros past. Or just monochrome them, wash them and use them as gaming pieces for your other board/social games.... Make a chess set, or a hnefatafl set. The list of uses is endless, honestly.
You did it??? YAY! One of us, one of us, one of us...
TBH I'm not planning on painting anything. What I'm planning is having an epic pile of minis to chop up, use as is in D&D, light on fire, whatever strikes me as cool at the time. For this low price, I don't need to worry about messing up and having wasted an expenditure, which keeps me from mucking around too much with GW minis any more.
Speaking of, I may need to get more Griffins for feather wing bits.
I'd feel bad about having 150 of the minis destined to be stuck in my wardrobe for all eternity, doomed to the "never going to paint" pile, while I paint and use the other 50+ that I have a use for and the big dragon.
Awesome Kickstarter though, most well-managed KS by any tabletop gaming company, ever. Having accountants run the joint definitely helps. I love how they are still able to offer freebies to everyone even at this late stage, by calculating their expenses and making the stretch goals gradually longer so that they can still afford to make the freebies happen.
Id imagine that they could be losing money on a per piece basis, but with 2 million dollars to spend on tooling they could quickly make that back in new sales after the kickstarter rewards have gone out.
This group of vile dark wizards make excellent Character miniatures, or enemy miniatures, whether as bosses or low level wizards to fight! And like the Golems, they're a Bonus!
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!!
We are going old school for this next goal. Every Vampire or Undertaker Level pledge will receive Frog God Games pdf of Swords & Wizardry Complete Rules. Play the game the way it was meant to be played... Original edition rules, original edition feel. Put those miniatures to work in this award winning game.
I'd feel bad about having 150 of the minis destined to be stuck in my wardrobe for all eternity, doomed to the "never going to paint" pile, while I paint and use the other 50+ that I have a use for and the big dragon.
Awesome Kickstarter though, most well-managed KS by any tabletop gaming company, ever. Having accountants run the joint definitely helps. I love how they are still able to offer freebies to everyone even at this late stage, by calculating their expenses and making the stretch goals gradually longer so that they can still afford to make the freebies happen.
Id imagine that they could be losing money on a per piece basis, but with 2 million dollars to spend on tooling they could quickly make that back in new sales after the kickstarter rewards have gone out.
Not too likely. Reaper has been very cautious to make sure that they actually cover their costs and provide for a nest egg to fit their new shop with the tools needed for plastic production.
Necromancers!!!!! I'd paint all of those. buy! Buy!! BUY!!!
Gonna up mah pledge for some extra stuff now. Little more participation, little less standing on the backs of the bruised. Muahahahaha!
@Scipio.au I picked up the SDCC Captain America Rescue Version on Monday. And Nick Fury ought to be here today or Monday. Cap a is truly awesome fig the pics just don't do justice. And we all know Sam Jackson is a bad motherfuc.....shut yo mouth! Anyways two of those on one paycheck makes me wonder about my sanity.
But to the Kick! Man I can't believe they broke 2 mil last night. Loving the giants! Want to see what's after the halfling heroes, because I think that strech will be hit too.
Clockwork Dragon!!! That fig is inspiring. Enough that I'd like to run a D&D game where he's the end boss! Can't wait to paint him. Stuff like this is why I luvs me the Reaper.
Nice, I just got my Baby Doll a couple of weeks ago and got word that my Red Skull and Boba Fett will be in next week. Ordered a SDCC Cap as well - he looks great.
Latest Reaper update -
We are going old school for this next goal. Every Vampire or Undertaker Level pledge will receive Frog God Games pdf of Swords & Wizardry Complete Rules. Play the game the way it was meant to be played... Original edition rules, original edition feel. Put those miniatures to work in this award winning game.
Looks like they've been looking at all the "I'd like to get all these figures but what would I use them for?" posts here and elsewhere and have decided to address that. Smart guys, to a T.
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I think we've blown reaper's lid. It's pretty clear they were not expecting to take it this far, i mean, look at the map. It's just the same cell now that keeps flipping. I know it takes time to create an original and true extension, but I think they're done. They may have products lines up, but by and large, they're done. I mean, 13'000 orders, on top of what the company already does anyway? seems pretty tall, and probably will keep them busy for a while.
scarletsquig wrote:I'd feel bad about having 150 of the minis destined to be stuck in my wardrobe for all eternity, doomed to the "never going to paint" pile, while I paint and use the other 50+ that I have a use for and the big dragon.
RiTides wrote:Yeah, that's why this one doesn't work for me- so many various different kinds of models, and I could only use a few... but I can see the value overall, I just don't think it would be worth it for me.
I'm a huge, huge bones fan (I have all the releases so far and I'm just finishing up painting the last few) but I won't be participating in the kick starter for a similar reason. If they release them in batches of 12 like the launch, or 4 like the latest release, then I'll probably eventually buy a lot of the range. If March 2013 rolls around and they suddenly dump 60+ releases on the local store, I'll probably get less of them. If I got the kick starter, it'd be even worse as I'd have 200+ miniatures just sitting there as I paint them around my other projects. I find my enjoyment of the miniature wargaming hobby increases when I don't get overwhelmed by the size of my unpainted miniatures pile. I've been working on cutting that down to size and this KS would undo my progress.
I've told about five or six people about it and they all went Vampire though.
Just a quick bit of advice for those holding out till the last few minutes KS crashed in the final hours of Sedition Wars (due to thunder storm knocking out Amazons servers) and there was no time extension given so if you want in don't leave it too late probably won't happen again but you never know.
Is that the official pre-Necromancer count? I thought it was like 210 ...
Vampire Level = Zombie Level + Ghast Level + Wraith Level + Mummy Level. Currently 225minis: 224 Bones Plastic, and 1 Metal Sophie*.
The Necromancers will add another 4 to that total when they are reached. Reaper also has a series of finale options and "goals" to say Thank You to their supporters. They are keeping those under wraps though and will be announcing them at various timed intervals until the end of the campaign tomorrow.
Not sure what it will be - but they have done a good job so far, I don't expect they will go out with a whimper after this. As an added incentive - they are only two spots away from being the 3rd most funded Kickstarter campaign ever. Already, they are #4 in Games and #5 overall. They should overtake Wasteland 2 sometime in the morning and will need another $500K to take the #3 slot from Double Fine.
BlueDagger wrote: F... I caved. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the stuff, but when I can sell minis for a dollar per and make over 100% profit.. *shrug*
Please PM me when they arrive. I'm sure I'll be interested in some and first class mail up to Canada is reasonable enough. By which I mean, I'd be happy to pay $1 a miniature + shipping for a decent amount of them. I just don't want all 200+ of them dumped on me at once, so no Vampire level for me.
I totally plan on buying Bones kickstarter singles off of people selling them.
BlueDagger wrote: F... I caved. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the stuff, but when I can sell minis for a dollar per and make over 100% profit.. *shrug*
same here.. let me know when you get the stuff.. I will gladly trade with you..
Going to be close on this one, next will have to include an option or no hope of making it. They broke the momentum over last day or two, still getting lots of new pledges, but average total has decreased I think.
Quick question, what are folks thoughts on the Reaper paint sets? Assuming they are of quality, they seem like a decent deal, but I can't say I have heard anything about them.
Buzzsaw wrote: Quick question, what are folks thoughts on the Reaper paint sets? Assuming they are of quality, they seem like a decent deal, but I can't say I have heard anything about them.
I haven't used them beyond the sample dropper bottle I got randomly (weren't available around here until recently) but the one I have is nice to use, and their paint has quite a good reputation on the interwebs. I intend to get one of each of the sets.
I'd put the quality slightly above the pre-146 Citadel paints and just below vallejo model range. They were nice and thin straight out of the bottle, good metallics with very fine flakes (unlike their Pro Paint line, terrible metallics from that), decent coverage and a great selection of colors. Some of the trios are awesome and shade each other perfectly, some are too similar or too big a step and still require mixing to get smooth shadows and highlights. I wouldn't call it the best paint out there, but it's very good stuff.
The bottles are wonderful. Very close to Vallejo style bottles, but the caps are not interchangable and they are just a bit shorter. They do clog easily which you can fix by drilling out the nozzle with a pin vice (it's actually the bit of plastic at the base of the nozzle piece that causes the issues). The nozzles on Vallejo bottles will sometimes come loose and stick to the cap when you open them, I have many times poured half a bottle onto my palette before realizing it and I have never had that happen with the reaper bottles. Reaper sells empty bottles 3 for $3 USD, great for storing custom mixes. They also seal very well, I transfered all my citadel paints into them years ago and they're still usable.
Buzzsaw wrote:
Quick question, what are folks thoughts on the Reaper paint sets? Assuming they are of quality, they seem like a decent deal, but I can't say I have heard anything about them.
Reaper paint = awesome, simple as that. Also 1/2 off retail is an amazeing price.
As for actual reasons coverage and viscosity are good out of the bottle, washes are stupid easy to create if you have another bottle filled with your thiner of choice, and triads. Triads are sets of three paints where there's a mid tone, highlight and shadow. This means no need to mix colors for highlighting most of the time. Also the dropper bottles make costom colors easier to reproduce.
Edit because Reaper is creating a lot of discussing with this kickstarter.
Surloch wrote: Going to be close on this one, next will have to include an option or no hope of making it. They broke the momentum over last day or two, still getting lots of new pledges, but average total has decreased I think.
Nah, we just have tapped out the Australian market - so it looks like it slowed down. The US is still in bed, and this being the weekend we will have 8 hours of solid primetime pledges.
The next stretch goal is likely to be more like this, however that is really sort of irrelevant. Reaper is doing an end of campaign event and they have several things planned which will be part of that event at specific times. I don't know the items or the times - but expect it to be something like at Noon...the remainder of the Pathfinder Iconics are added. At 1 PM Gauth is added as an option. At 2 PM mind flayers are added. At 3 PM a Hill Giant option is added.
Will it be those specific things at those specific times? Don't know. However, you will want to keep an eye on this once it is in the last 5 or 6 hours. Those reveals will probably start up around then (there is a "You are invited to..." video some place, that if it weren't god awful early I would link to which should give a good idea of the time though.
WarOne wrote: Getting dangerously close to 3 Million....
Dangerously close? Over 200.000 still to go. That's almost the entire Relic Knights KS and about 5 times the current DreadBall Kickstarter total still separating them from that line.
WarOne wrote: Getting dangerously close to 3 Million....
Dangerously close? Over 200.000 still to go. That's almost the entire Relic Knights KS and about 5 times the current DreadBall Kickstarter total still separating them from that line.
It's a juggernaut . I'm happy that they look to become the 3rd highest backed game of all time, though, since that will get them on the "most backed" featured page
Vampire and Undertaker backers will receive a free PDF copy of Matt Forbeck's (Author of Reaper's CAV:The Big Dance Novel)latest novel: Shotguns & Sorcery: Hard Times in Dragon City!
Oh, and that's not the only surprise we have! At set times today (and we won't tell you when!) we'll be revealing all new Goals! Today is going to be crazy, and full of surprises!
Hold on to your hats, Boneheads, today is going to break all the records!
Aerethan wrote: I don't think they'll be beating the Ouya any time soon though at 8.5 million. I probably should have bought into that one.
Don't feel too bad about missing that one - in terms of deals/money saved, you basically are getting free shipping, and maybe the ability to reserve your user name?
Although I'd bet "Aerethan" will still be available for you!
RiTides wrote: It's a juggernaut . I'm happy that they look to become the 3rd highest backed game of all time, though, since that will get them on the "most backed" featured page
3rd biggest 'game' including videogames?
Not a fair comparison - videogames reach a FAR wider audience than board/card games, where I think Reaper is now #1 all time in terms of Kickstarters, and will probably remain there.
Until one of the Big Boys launches a Kickstarter...
Sean speaking of tapping out the Aussies, it has just passed midnight here. So I'd gladly keep an eye on it, but will be asleep. Feeling a little jaded on this with the last announcement. There's a reason why not many Kickstarters do this sort of stunt, because you alienate the foreign market. Which often accounts for around 50% of the total. That's a lot of people to let down.
Luckily if recent goals are anything to go by we won't be missing much.
I'm probably just tired and it is way after my bed time so don't anyone take my cynicism to heart , this is just the last leg of a month long journey and I was hoping it would end in a better note. I am still in for around $400 and really looking forward to it, but not as hyped as I was a few days ago.
Hold on to your hats, Boneheads, today is going to break all the records!
Not with these kind of rewards!
Think they should be OK. The big things should come with the timed releases - not the pledged releases. They are actually having an event at Reaper HQ (live webcast once it starts too) - and if they tried to figure out what the last would actually be based on pledges...that would be nearly impossible.
The familiars pack looks like it might have been a slip up - it is gone from the list right now (posted the wrong image or something like that). However, that is probably an indicator of the first free timed option. Will be popular with the RPG crowd and even useful for wargamers as something to detail out characters with.
Records are still breaking though. Already today they have nearly 1000 new backers and $200K in new pledges. Likely will see an entire Sedition Wars worth of pledges today alone.
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Surloch wrote: Sean speaking of tapping out the Aussies, it has just passed midnight here. So I'd gladly keep an eye on it, but will be asleep. Feeling a little jaded on this with the last announcement. There's a reason why not many Kickstarters do this sort of stunt, because you alienate the foreign market. Which often accounts for around 50% of the total. That's a lot of people to let down.
Luckily if recent goals are anything to go by we won't be missing much.
I'm probably just tired and it is way after my bed time so don't anyone take my cynicism to heart , this is just the last leg of a month long journey and I was hoping it would end in a better note. I am still in for around $400 and really looking forward to it, but not as hyped as I was a few days ago.
I understand that - and don't worry too much, they have designed their pledge manager to take the time zones into account. Anyone who is in for atleast Vampire or above will be able to pick up options after the fact that they wanted at the option price. Anyone who is not at that level though will not have the same pricing.
I think it comes down to the hard target of figuring out how to schedule these last reveals though. Dollar amounts would be impossible to end where they wanted to (not sure - but I am guessing something like Gauth). Timing them is really the only option. Be sure to have a look in the morning though. Should be a good amount of new stuff for you.
And I was doing so well holding out. I was still actually thinking about waiting and waking up at 5am (here in Hong Kong) to take one last look and make a final decision. But then the Backers hit the Necromancer goal before I went to bed. Can't wait to see how this turns out in the morning!
lord_blackfang wrote: When does the credit card charge go through? Immediately after the KS ends?
I ask because my card is almost tapped out so I probably won't be able to get all the options I want.
As noted, the charge is directly after the end of the campaign. However, I believe Reaper will be doing some sort of pledge manager that will allow you to add funds later for options. I believe that they also said that the pricing may be different unless you pledged Vampire or higher, but don't hold me (or them) to that.
RiTides wrote: It's a juggernaut . I'm happy that they look to become the 3rd highest backed game of all time, though, since that will get them on the "most backed" featured page
3rd biggest 'game' including videogames?
Not a fair comparison - videogames reach a FAR wider audience than board/card games, where I think Reaper is now #1 all time in terms of Kickstarters, and will probably remain there.
Until one of the Big Boys launches a Kickstarter...
Alph, I was referring to this page, where Kickstarter lists the most funded projects in terms of category. I agree, they should have a separate section for board games/miniatures rather than video games, but it's all combined.
Here it is as just the Games category, with Sedition Wars / Ogre / Zombicide sitting at 5/6/7 until this one goes final:
I don't know how to list most funded ever all as one list, but I believe it's just the Pebble watch that beat out those top video games, right? So other than that, it pretty much IS the "most funded" of any type list on Kickstarter.
lord_blackfang wrote: When does the credit card charge go through? Immediately after the KS ends?
I ask because my card is almost tapped out so I probably won't be able to get all the options I want.
As long as you are at Vampire ($100) you will be able to add extra cash in the reaper pledge manager to buy any and all options at the price listed here
Reaper have hinted that if you are NOT at vampire level the options you can access may cost more
lord_blackfang wrote: When does the credit card charge go through? Immediately after the KS ends?
I ask because my card is almost tapped out so I probably won't be able to get all the options I want.
As long as you are at Vampire ($100) you will be able to add extra cash in the reaper pledge manager to buy any and all options at the price listed here
Reaper have hinted that if you are NOT at vampire level the options you can access may cost more
Hard to pass this deal up, but I haven't played fantasy in so long and I need to conserve my funds for the dreamforge kick starter. I might be a last minute vampire , but what will I do with them all?
Theophony wrote: Hard to pass this deal up, but I haven't played fantasy in so long and I need to conserve my funds for the dragon forge kick starter. I might be a last minute vampire , but what will I do with them all?
Clearly OT, but what is the "dragon forge kick starter"?
Well that is a little underwhelming for $3,000,000; I already have a huge list of books I hould like to read, so I have no interest in adding another.
I think I will pledge soon, but I am having trouble deciding on my extras. I will already be getting the deep ones, but I can't decide on which dragon. What is the opinion on the dragons? I like the red dragon but it seems a little small.
Theophony wrote: Hard to pass this deal up, but I haven't played fantasy in so long and I need to conserve my funds for the dragon forge kick starter. I might be a last minute vampire , but what will I do with them all?
Clearly OT, but what is the "dragon forge kick starter"?
ph34r wrote: I agree with the sentiment that the last few stretch goals have been underwhelming. I am still undecided, we'll find out in the next 5 hours.
I went into it to get at the paint for half/off the retail price, as for the models it's hard to image that you get access to almost the entire miniature range that reaper has for 100 bucks. But again go in between 20 and 40$ US and load up on paints if your blah about the models..
Excellent! You have now unlocked Matt Forbeck's latest novel!
So, What's Next?
Kicktraq.com is a website that keeps daily charts and data on Kickstarter projects. Right now, the highest number they predict us being able to reach is $3,339,192. We should do better than that. So, right away, let's DREAM BIG!
And by BIG, I mean, the littlest reward miniatures yet - but the most for any update! We're jumping in with both feet this morning asking to beat Kicktraq's projections, and offering up these 12 adorable familiars as a reward – in addition to the other 228 Miniatures already in Vampire – Bringing your total to 240 Miniatures!!!
Oh, and that's not the only surprise we have! At set times today (and the first one's coming very soon!) we'll be revealing all new Goals! Today is going to be crazy, and full of surprises!
Hold on to your hats, Boneheads, today is going to break all the records!
N4 of all time? That alone is a huge statement about our little hobby... Congrats to Reaper and all backers. To be honest never espected such huge hit.
Man, I went to bed last night and they were getting close to the Necromancer unlocks. I figured I'd wake up today and see 3 or 4 crazy new stretch goals already passed.
But I find a .pdf and some familiars; underwhelmed.
With only 3 hours to go and the familiars a long ways away still, it doesn't seem like we'll get a lot more unless the last few stretch goals are 20k apiece or something.
We've found a Secret Door! If we raise $200,000 from this point - (total $3,320,00) we'll add this Option - Kaladrax Reborn, Concept Art byTalin! You can see his assistant, Hyrekia in the image, for scale!
So let's unlock this big Skeletal Dragon, and keep those Familiars going!!
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(that's about the same amount the familiars hit on)
lord_blackfang wrote: Did they just give us Familiars for "free?" Or is it a glitch?
The Bryan has just spoken
Creator Reaper Miniatures 1 minute ago
Familiars are acheived. There is only one active Goal. Everyone's Vampire Pledge is Now 240 Bones + Sophie in metal.
Kaladrax is a new goal, 3 hours to go
We have familliars (Yay)
I suspect this may be the way they planned stuff to work (or plan now)
Hope Dead Dragon arrives on the next reveal even before 200K
Schmapdi wrote: The new method seems to be confusing a lot of people. I think they should have just stuck with what brung em.
Whatever. I doubt it hurts them to throw in a bit of free stuff to keep the momentum going.
This is insane.
At the moment, they are asking 200.000 for just a single added dragon sculpt (still.. nice dragon and all).
Imagine someone else here.. perhaps a indie-sculptor.. would throw up a Kickstarter to fund the sculpt and production of just a single dragon, even a nice and shiny one, and would set the limit at 200.000??
Hell, 200.000 is just what the entire Relic Knights KS passed a day or two ago... for the whole game with all extras.
Noisy_Marine wrote: *Sigh* I really want that collection of Sophies. I'm a sucker for limited edition stuff.
Remember it's actually 10, not 9 coz they photographed one of the wrong ones for the group shot
(artist sophie if I remember correctly
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Comments moving too fast: @I forget who asked: Hyrekia is included, and is not integral to the Dragon - she is a separate part.
Reaper's a great company, but I thought the point of Kickstarter was to help new startups and whatnot to get funding, not to provide a platform for well-established businesses to get funding from their fanbase.
Ostrakon wrote: Reaper's a great company, but I thought the point of Kickstarter was to help new startups and whatnot to get funding, not to provide a platform for well-established businesses to get funding from their fanbase.
FLAME WAR ALARM
You may be right. But tread carefully with this subject.
Eh launching a new line for an established business is perfectly fine for kickstarter. If anything it helps the little guys by gaining exposier for kickstarter as a whole and potentiall other kickstarts. I started with a game from an established company but have since backed 12 projects of which 7 are new companies I wouldhave never otherwise seen.
Ostrakon wrote: Reaper's a great company, but I thought the point of Kickstarter was to help new startups and whatnot to get funding, not to provide a platform for well-established businesses to get funding from their fanbase.
I'd prefer a Kickstarter campaign with a ton of benefit to me the "investor", than a public stock offering which accomplishes the same thing: retooling/machinery upgrades (not naming which company did this) but all I get is higher prices, crapcast, and a company focused on earnings/share and profit.
lord_blackfang wrote: Servers are about to give out, I don't think we'll manage another 90k in 50 minutes. The pledges slowed to a crawl the last few minutes.
Wouldn't be too bad - but it took me 3 minuted to get the stupid pledge manager page to load. Hopefully they take a part of their 5% haul off this and get a descent load balanced server set up.
adhuin wrote: It's funny how the Mantics original kickstarter felt bigger than this.
Now I check back and see it went only for 354k!
Almost 10 times less than this.
It felt much bigger.
The Mantic one gave away ~100 figures including a lot of large models for $175 pledges. This one is doing a similar thing, only on a much larger scale... lower pledge amount and a lot more minis. The great thing about plastic tooling is that the more minis you sell, the lower the total cost of manufacturing each mini becomes as the low materials cost starts to outweigh the high tooling cost... which is perfect for a kickstarter and giving away a ton of free stuff.
The lower $100 sweet spot helps quite a lot, it lets people invest without having to overspend.
The Mantic one gave away ~100 figures including a lot of large models for $175 pledges. This one is doing a similar thing, only on a much larger scale... lower pledge amount and a lot more minis. The great thing about plastic tooling is that the more minis you sell, the lower the total cost of manufacturing each mini becomes as the low materials cost starts to outweigh the high tooling cost... which is perfect for a kickstarter and giving away a ton of free stuff.
The lower $100 sweet spot helps quite a lot, it lets people invest without having to overspend.
Yeah. Maybe it was their customisability. I got exactly what I wanted (which was 27 trolls + lot of freebies), instead of default set + options. (Which are awesome, but I'd love to pick and choose.)
True I agree, but I have been a collector of the sophies for a little while now.. I just wished I could have gotten one of the trophy sized ones.. I will be keeping her.. I added a dragon and the giants to my pledge
Just to make sure, if I backed at the vampire level can I add money after it's closed to get cthulu and the bone dragon? Like everyone else the site isn't loading very well for me right now, and I'd rather leave bandwith for others if it doesn't matter.
Just to make sure, if I backed at the vampire level can I add money after it's closed to get cthulu and the bone dragon? Like everyone else the site isn't loading very well for me right now, and I'd rather leave bandwith for others if it doesn't matter.
If your backed at the 100 dollar level you should be fine when the pledge manager comes out.. but if we didn't hit cthulu due to server problems, I don't think they will give it up..
Crapped out completely with 2k left to go. Classy job, Kickstarter. You cost us Cthulhu (although I wouldn't be surprised if Reaper let us have him anyway!)
Necros wrote: hmm it looks like people are dropping out .. it was at 3.41, i refreshed and it was 3.406
It's more likely that people are upping their pledge amounts. Supposedly it strips their original pledge fromt the total as it processes adn recalcs the new one via Amazon.
Doesn't look like we will make Cthulhu, he had become what I was most looking foward to with this kickstarter (beyond getting Reaper minis for $0.42 each). Maybe they will throw him in because we were so close?
Project Update #56: C'THULHU ACHIEVED!
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WE DID IT!!
OFFICIALLY The #3 KICKSTARTER OF ALL TIME!!
You guys have been absolutely AMAZING!! This has been the most incredible Ride!
YES! I was hoping they would add Cthulhu even if we missed him slightly (or we hit him, really have no clue since Kickstarter crashed). Now my deep ones will have their master...
"if you pledge $1 for skeleton level then extra for 1000 cases, we will have words" or something to that effect was said somewhere relatively early on in the campaign.
point being, if retailers/distributors start taking the mickey on this there might be words I believe, but aside from that, nothing you US based backers need worry about.
options >4 of a single type incur extra shipping for us outside the US, but nothing grievous.
Not a fair comparison - videogames reach a FAR wider audience than board/card games, where I think Reaper is now #1 all time in terms of Kickstarters, and will probably remain there.
Until one of the Big Boys launches a Kickstarter...
Also not fair to compare it to Videogames in terms of outlay. You pay US$40-60 for a AAA computer or video game that could last for anywhere between 5 and hundreds of hours of gameplay, with nothing else ever to buy. Miniatures? a little more expensive....
It beat the video games, anyway . Only lost out to a video game console and pretty darn cool watch!
I do think there may need to be a separate Kickstarter interface or the like for things of this scale, so that smaller start-ups and the like don't get overshadowed in their projects.
Personally, I like to direct my funds to smaller ones, but since my friend pledged for this I am considering if I want any of the add-ons
BlueDagger wrote: Eh launching a new line for an established business is perfectly fine for kickstarter. If anything it helps the little guys by gaining exposier for kickstarter as a whole and potentiall other kickstarts. I started with a game from an established company but have since backed 12 projects of which 7 are new companies I wouldhave never otherwise seen.
Excellent point, and I am in a similar position.
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RiTides wrote: It beat the video games, anyway . Only lost out to a video game console and pretty darn cool watch!
I do think there may need to be a separate Kickstarter interface or the like for things of this scale, so that smaller start-ups and the like don't get overshadowed in their projects.
Personally, I like to direct my funds to smaller ones, but since my friend pledged for this I am considering if I want any of the add-ons
Add-on a Vampire level for yourself. You know you want to....
RiTides wrote: Is there a limit on how many of a particular "extra" people can add? Like, can they add 2 of that skeletal dragon?
I remember Zombiecide limiting to 3 per extra add-on, I don't know if any of these are / if they've said anything about that.
Nope - you "could" order 10 of everything if you wanted.
They have an additional shipping fee that they levy if you get 5 or more of any one item for overseas customers. For example, if you wanted to do a fire giant army and get 6 of the sets of warriors, you would need to add $10 for the extra shipping. The first 4 are covered with the base shipping, the 5th and 6th one each accrue a $5 fee. If you wanted to group together with a bunch of friends (or are just one person who wants a lot of miniatures) you could get 5 Vampire packages. The first 4 would be covered by the base $25 shipping. The 5th one would get an additional $25 shipping fee.
What is a little bit odd sounding though is that you could get 4 of everything and only have to pay the base $25 in shipping - but if you get 5 of one of the smaller options - it adds $5. Mostly to keep it simple I guess - but, odd none the less.
Now that it is all over and done with, it was an impressive run. While I think the final day might have been handled differently - I think if they would have, it would have just lead to the servers crashing earlier and more often. At least with the way they did it, a lot of fence sitters managed to get on early in the day and it wasn't till the last few hours when the big dragon and Cthulhu were revealed that the sites started going down.
Regarding the big company versus little start-up... Ehhh. Reaper is probably bigger than a good chunk of the miniature companies out there, but smaller than the big ones. If you take a look over at their site, they posted up some videos from their HQ for todays finale party. While I am sure they are comfortable, they do not look to be living high on the hog. Kickstarter ends up being a great thing for them, just as much as it does for the really little guys. Reaper backing several different projects also ended up driving backers to them as well. Somewhere around half the people who backed Tre over at RBG ended up getting pushed their because of the Reaper campaign. So that is good too.
I think for other privately held companies, they should look hard at it for doing big projects. There are a lot of them out there who could benefit from something like this too. Enable them to really push out a lot of great products and convert from expensive metals to the less expensive plastics. Until a company like Privateer Press or Corvus Belli decide to do a plastic conversion campaign - Reaper should be sitting pretty at #3 for some time to come. Granted, it would be pretty neat for both of them to come along and have 3 of the top 5 most funded Kickstarter Campaigns be miniatures.
Just wait till after my bank account has recovered some.
I make it $397 for all options + a case and swapping out Sophie for $25 of extras. + International shipping obviously also.
So for example I'll get one of every option, 2x cases (1 using Sophie trade) and I backed at $400 so I have $3 extra for Reaper to take as a bonus.
It's an insane deal when you think just how many mini's we'll be getting and many of them will be of display size. Really can't wait. First / Second quarter next year is going to be huge with Mantic, Sedition Wars, Reaper and Red Box all having releases around then.
I say to myself that's it, can't back any more but I know that Tre is planning another before then and Mantic has Dreadball up at the moment not to mention Dreamforge as well.
If the companies have any compassion at all they will wait a few months before hitting us up again as it's going to take at least till Jan before I have a disposable income again. I imagine many are in the same boat too.
And now we all play the waiting game for our surveys and then until possibly March for the Rewards, but hey I'm okay with that considering how many models we're talking about here.
Here is my tribute to the success of the Reaper Miniatures Bones kickstarter:
I like stretch goals and I cannot lie,
You other backers can't deny.
That when a goal get reached with an itty bitty wait
And a model in your face you add funds!
Wanna add so much,
Cause you saw that level was stuffed,
New goals they be swearin'
I'm hooked and I can't stop sharing!
Oh Kickstarter, I want more figures,
And more new pictures.
My forums tried to warn me,
But that stretch you got makes m-m-me give money!
Ooh, Reaper minis,
More models you want to send?
Well, use me, use me,
'Cause you ain't an average indie!
I've seen the pledgin'
Hell yeah with stretchin'.
Pledge's set, yet,
More options I gotta get!
I'm tired of seeing things,
Sayin' Kickstarters are lying.
Take the average backer and ask him that,
He'll have a heart attack.
So, backers!
(Yeah!)
Backers!
(Yeah!)
Has your pledge made the stretch?
(Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to make it!
(Make it!)
Make it!
(Make it!)
Make that next goal up!
Starter got backed!
Though now I have to decide if I would rather have the fire and ice giants, or the last bone dragon and C'Thulhu... not cool reaper!
If only I could get the two female giants as a set and trade in the males for the bone dragon...
I had the same problem. the way I solved the giant dilemma is thinking about price, 2 female giants during kickstarter =$20, after oficial release =$20 +or- $3. No great savings there.
If the males don't interest you go for dragon and C'Thulhu, if you do want the males agonize over the choices or up your pledge by $20 in the Reaper pledge manager when it arrives.
Though now I have to decide if I would rather have the fire and ice giants, or the last bone dragon and C'Thulhu... not cool reaper!
If only I could get the two female giants as a set and trade in the males for the bone dragon...
I had the same problem. the way I solved the giant dilemma is thinking about price, 2 female giants during kickstarter =$20, after oficial release =$20 +or- $3. No great savings there.
If the males don't interest you go for dragon and C'Thulhu, if you do want the males agonize over the choices or up your pledge by $20 in the Reaper pledge manager when it arrives.
I've decided to get the frost giants and the $10 bone dragon; although I love the face of the female fire giant, I think that I would be happy to pick her up at a later date and get the bone dragon instead. Same with C'Thulhu.
Also, painting this horde should take me long enough that I can save up enough to get them
Though now I have to decide if I would rather have the fire and ice giants, or the last bone dragon and C'Thulhu... not cool reaper!
If only I could get the two female giants as a set and trade in the males for the bone dragon...
I had the same problem. the way I solved the giant dilemma is thinking about price, 2 female giants during kickstarter =$20, after oficial release =$20 +or- $3. No great savings there.
If the males don't interest you go for dragon and C'Thulhu, if you do want the males agonize over the choices or up your pledge by $20 in the Reaper pledge manager when it arrives.
I've decided to get the frost giants and the $10 bone dragon; although I love the face of the female fire giant, I think that I would be happy to pick her up at a later date and get the bone dragon instead. Same with C'Thulhu.
Also, painting this horde should take me long enough that I can save up enough to get them
If you are interested in Cthulu - you may want to pick him up now as opposed to later. The last two options will probably have the largest increases in price over their current option price. Granted, even at full retail, they are silly cheap.
One wonders how seriously Reaper's production and order-filling times are going to get stretched because of this. I doubt their process is elastic enough to accept an extra 15k orders for stuff without hiccuping.
Sean_OBrien wrote: If you are interested in Cthulu - you may want to pick him up now as opposed to later. The last two options will probably have the largest increases in price over their current option price. Granted, even at full retail, they are silly cheap.
Yeah, I figured as much, which is why I plan to get the one I really want (bone dragon) now rather than later. The Cthulhu was more for lolz rather than because I really want it
Ehsteve wrote: Here is my tribute to the success of the Reaper Miniatures Bones kickstarter:
I like stretch goals and I cannot lie,
You other backers can't deny.
That when a goal get reached with an itty bitty wait
And a model in your face you add funds!
Wanna add so much,
Cause you saw that level was stuffed,
New goals they be swearin'
I'm hooked and I can't stop sharing!
Oh Kickstarter, I want more figures,
And more new pictures.
My forums tried to warn me,
But that stretch you got makes m-m-me give money!
Ooh, Reaper minis,
More models you want to send?
Well, use me, use me,
'Cause you ain't an average indie!
I've seen the pledgin'
Hell yeah with stretchin'.
Pledge's set, yet,
More options I gotta get!
I'm tired of seeing things,
Sayin' Kickstarters are lying.
Take the average backer and ask him that,
He'll have a heart attack.
So, backers!
(Yeah!)
Backers!
(Yeah!)
Has your pledge made the stretch?
(Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to make it!
(Make it!)
Make it!
(Make it!)
Make that next goal up!
Starter got backed!
Agamemnon2 wrote: One wonders how seriously Reaper's production and order-filling times are going to get stretched because of this. I doubt their process is elastic enough to accept an extra 15k orders for stuff without hiccuping.
A lot of this stuff isn't shipping until March 2013 - so I think they'll be OK.
Plus, given what we've heard about their overall 'smarts' and the number of figures they can cast per day, they'll probably be just fine...
Agamemnon2 wrote: One wonders how seriously Reaper's production and order-filling times are going to get stretched because of this. I doubt their process is elastic enough to accept an extra 15k orders for stuff without hiccuping.
A lot of this stuff isn't shipping until March 2013 - so I think they'll be OK.
Plus, given what we've heard about their overall 'smarts' and the number of figures they can cast per day, they'll probably be just fine...
Not only that but reaper is one of the oldest and biggest ones around... their catalog is one of the hugest.
Agamemnon2 wrote: One wonders how seriously Reaper's production and order-filling times are going to get stretched because of this. I doubt their process is elastic enough to accept an extra 15k orders for stuff without hiccuping.
A lot of this stuff isn't shipping until March 2013 - so I think they'll be OK.
Plus, given what we've heard about their overall 'smarts' and the number of figures they can cast per day, they'll probably be just fine...
Yep, since they know it is coming - and they have a few years of sales data...they will likely just increase production on metals for the first few months of 2013 in order to have a months worth of extra stuff on the shelf. Once the plastics show up, they can push their entire staff over to filling boxes of plastic figures and shipping those out. It may take a few weeks to clear them all, but if you figure somewhere around 6,000,000 miniatures with 30 full time Reaper Peeps to work on it...each one only has to handle 10,000 miniatures a day in order to get all the orders out within one month...10 hour days, 1000 miniatures an hour...250 or so miniatures per box...4 boxes an hour per person.
Huge numbers, but entirely reasonable. I would hate to be the USPS guy though who comes around for the daily mail pickup though. An extra 1200 parcels each day for a month would likely drive him to go...well...postal.
Sean_OBrien wrote: If you are interested in Cthulu - you may want to pick him up now as opposed to later. The last two options will probably have the largest increases in price over their current option price. Granted, even at full retail, they are silly cheap.
Yeah, I figured as much, which is why I plan to get the one I really want (bone dragon) now rather than later. The Cthulhu was more for lolz rather than because I really want it
I am wondering how many will get repurposed as some form of Nurgle Greater Demon (Great Unclean One or something along those lines). He sort of is half way there depending on how you paint him up - and you can afford to do a lot of modifications to a $10 figure before you get to the £104.00 price tag of the Forge World figure. Projected to be taller than the FW one, but if it were in the same pose - they would likely be comparable.
Well I didn't get on board, but very impressed by the final figure. I think there are a couple I will pick up in the future, but not enough interest in there to warrant a purchase in what is a bit of a tight month.
Agamemnon2 wrote: One wonders how seriously Reaper's production and order-filling times are going to get stretched because of this. I doubt their process is elastic enough to accept an extra 15k orders for stuff without hiccuping.
Well.
Don't forget the dimensions this KS was working in financially too.
On the last stretch, they asked for a +200.000 for the undead Dragon and +100.000 for Cthulhu.
That is 300.000 in itself funded for just two plastic minis. Nice minis (presumably), but just 2 minis.
The entire Relic Knights KS with 6 or so factions, a board game, cards, tokens, several dozens of miniatures isn't 300.000 in total. The entire Kings of War KS by Mantic was, which was considered rather successfull, did just over 300.000 in total.. again.. full game and all.
Imagine "Sculptor Joe" posting a new Kickstarter and asking for 300.000 to sculpt and produce just 2 miniatures?
Sure, Reaper has this "on top" of all their other stuff, but they should also now have the padding to make it happen.
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It is also noteworthy to take a look at some of the numbers crunched by Appsblogger
Yes, they got funded, but did they deliver?
Still waiting on your Kickstarter reward? Don’t worry, you’re not alone. Based on a sampling of projects in the Design and Technology categories3:
Only 25% of projects delivered on time!
According to Prof. Mollick’s model, after 8 months of delay, 75% of finished products (as opposed to give-aways like t-shirts) will have been delivered.
The larger the project, the more likely it will be delayed and the longer it will be delayed.
Reaper may be one of the companies that breaks the trend, but generally speaking, the more a Kickstarter is overfunded, the more likely is a delay and the longer is the delay it seems.
And besides with numbers such as these it's realistically feasible to set up a separate packing line for fulfillment of KS orders besides their regular enterprise...
Bolognesus wrote: And besides with numbers such as these it's realistically feasible to set up a separate packing line for fulfillment of KS orders besides their regular enterprise...
Honestly with the way they run their company, I dont think they will need a separate packing department..
Bolognesus wrote: And besides with numbers such as these it's realistically feasible to set up a separate packing line for fulfillment of KS orders besides their regular enterprise...
Honestly with the way they run their company, I dont think they will need a separate packing department..
you're probably right. Having been beancounters in a former life probably does help and yes, they exude professionalism on every level
I am wondering how many Cthulhus will get repurposed as some form of Nurgle Greater Demon (Great Unclean One or something along those lines). He sort of is half way there depending on how you paint him up - and you can afford to do a lot of modifications to a $10 figure before you get to the £104.00 price tag of the Forge World figure. Projected to be taller than the FW one, but if it were in the same pose - they would likely be comparable.
Was thinking more in terms ot Tyranids for the Cthulhu fig.
Loose the wings and add a couple of enhanced gun arms from the T'Fex and you get a Ymgarll GC that could probably sub as an upright Heirophant.
so I don't need more just for quantity's sake.
. I'm happy that they look to become the 3rd highest backed game of all time, though, since that will get them on the "most backed" featured page 
