so maybe ..."coming SOON to a kickstarter near you....3d Terrain for AvP"? If they used the cardboard 3d terrain for another kickstarter to demonstrate the game at the open day, maybe it was thought to be not necessary/a stretch goal too far?
eddieazrael wrote: so maybe ..."coming SOON to a kickstarter near you....3d Terrain for AvP"? If they used the cardboard 3d terrain for another kickstarter to demonstrate the game at the open day, maybe it was thought to be not necessary/a stretch goal too far?
Hiya, I understood that 3D terrain was part of the deal.. except that (and apologies for being uninformed) the commentary here suggests that maybe the terrain never happened/has been delayed? I'll admit that I've only taken part in 1 kickstarter (the Conan one) but I'd expect that most models/stuff would get released for general retail eventually - but have seen no mention of terrain.
we have no reason whatsoever to think that the 3D terrain isn't happening. Prodos have never said as such or even hinted at it, it's just that they were going through the 3rd iteration of design (at least) when the whole IP debacle and the KS got pulled. They've said little about it since though we have seen photos of a corridor piece from one of the gaming conventions. The version we've seen however is basically the second version we were originally shown, and has has never been declared to be the final version. They've said many many times that ALL models will be available in retail with the exception of the berserker.
Right now, all we can do is wait and see what they've created.
warboss wrote: So just how many months does it take out of curiosity for no news to stop being good news?
haha - good question. It's hard to say, though the number of fanboys defending Prodos at every disappointment is growing less and less, so I think the tide of support is turning slowly. I do hope they manage to deliver before things turn properly ugly.
Having missed Salute, it looks almost certain that they'll now miss the opportunity to launch at UK Expo, and with that will go yet another broken promise to deliver to (some) backers. Their ability to consistently underestimate the length of time every single stage of the process will take is quite astonishing.
Well, it is now Monday, and the Friday update with instructions some of us need to follow still has not been sent out. And the Prodos Proclaimed 31 May deadline for following the not yet sent out instructions is coming....
warboss wrote: So just how many months does it take out of curiosity for no news to stop being good news?
haha - good question. It's hard to say, though the number of fanboys defending Prodos at every disappointment is growing less and less, so I think the tide of support is turning slowly. I do hope they manage to deliver before things turn properly ugly.
Having missed Salute, it looks almost certain that they'll now miss the opportunity to launch at UK Expo, and with that will go yet another broken promise to deliver to (some) backers. Their ability to consistently underestimate the length of time every single stage of the process will take is quite astonishing.
Can I ask where you have got this info biggusdoggus?
I agree it did seem a bit unlikely that the KS would be available for collection at the UK games expo, but the last update they put on their FB page was that they were still hoping to have them there?
Their last update did say they were hoping for a release at UK Expo. The update before that said they were hoping for a release at Salute. The time before they hoped we would be getting at Christmas, and the time before that they were hoping to make their November delivery. Now I know I'm being a little harsh in that there have been a few more updates in between, but while they use words like "soon" and "hope" I just thing there's a pattern forming.
They need to organise a way for backers to tell them in advance that they want to collect from Expo- Expo is now 4 days away. Let's face it, it ain't happening. I think they want to do it, and they want to get it to us, but they've proved time and time again to be poor at estimating timing. I wish they'd be a bit more honest with themselves, and maybe that would lead to them being more realistic with us.
Yes right, completely see your point with the prior form.
I'm actually going to the Games Expo this coming weekend, but I'm not getting my hopes up. If it's there, it's there.. if not, well, hopefully it will be a busy show and I'll be distracted by other shiny things.
yeah I'll be there as well, mostly to go shake Colin and Wayne's hands over on the Battle Systems stand and congratulate them on another brilliantly run kickstarter which looks like it will deliver if not bang on time, certainly within a month of their original estimate. Oh and to take a peek at their next one (urban - good for zombicide / pulp / 7tv, or even infinity).
and then I shall wander round trying not to spend too much money on shiny stuff.
biggusdoggus wrote: yeah I'll be there as well, mostly to go shake Colin and Wayne's hands over on the Battle Systems stand and congratulate them on another brilliantly run kickstarter which looks like it will deliver if not bang on time, certainly within a month of their original estimate. Oh and to take a peek at their next one (urban - good for zombicide / pulp / 7tv, or even infinity).
and then I shall wander round trying not to spend too much money on shiny stuff.
You're not contemplating giving the guys at Prodos a bit o' stink palm for this kickstarter, are you??
We have more facts!
Amazing news guys! We have 51 copies of AvP available at UK Games Expo, exclusively for Kickstarter Backers to come and collect their Boxed Game!
You will need to come to our trade stand (M12 - Monarch Suite)
We will need a couple of things from you though, firstly, please print out your pledge manager and give this to us. In return, we will pass over your copies of AvP: The Hunt Begins Boardgame! Secondly, please bring some form of photographic identification. A Passport, UK Drivers License or European Citizen's Card will suffice.
It will be first come, first served and we will only be handing these out from the moment the show opens on Friday (14:00) until the show closes on Saturday (17:00). If there are any copies left on Sunday, they will still be given out to KS backers which are entitled to them, or otherwise sold to avoid having to take them back.
Whilst we are in the UK, our packing and dispatch team is working hard to get the first copies of AvP assembled and shipped. Shipment will be starting next week.
Many thanks again for your patience, we simply cannot wait to see the looks on your faces when you see this product in your hands!
Cheers!
Prodos Games LTD
The cynic in me wants to ask how many copies they'll have for sale to newcomer con goers compared to the 51 copies for long suffering backers. In any case, congrats to them on getting something finally done.. soonTM.
According to their wording - they will have exactly zero for sale to newcomers, these are entirely for Kickstarter backers, and will only get sold if they aren't all claimed by closing time on Saturday. I'd be inclined to believe them!
Will be going myself, but I'd actually quite like the giant box full of fragile resin models to be securely posted to my home, rather than have to lug it around a convention. Would be good to see it in person, though!
Hopefully they will only be sold to newcomers by closing time on Sunday! I'm a backer but am only attending on the Sunday.
Guessing the odds that they will have any left on the Sunday will be pretty slim! Might send an email on the offchance..
++EDIT++ Post by Jarek on FB
We should be getting 300 more by Friday Next week which will go out to backers. The production is ramping up to 800 a week from 3rd / 4th week onwards.So yes this things are not happening overnight. USA is going on a boat week after next (8 days) the courier comany can't do any earlier. Anyway I am going offline we are somewhere in the middle of Germany and 900 km left to Birmingham frown emoticon
Does this mean that the kickstarter exclusives will be available too, or just the retail box? Also, an aside question but anyone know how many sets of the Battlesystems 3D sci fi terrain that was showcased at the AvP demo are required to cover the AvP missions? (in case anyone has asked this earlier.)
If I remember correctly it's only the boxed game that is fully 100% approved, so only the 51 copies of that will be available to bakers to pick up at the show.
FYI I'm very jelous of any of you getting to pick your set up at the show.
eddieazrael wrote: Does this mean that the kickstarter exclusives will be available too, or just the retail box? Also, an aside question but anyone know how many sets of the Battlesystems 3D sci fi terrain that was showcased at the AvP demo are required to cover the AvP missions? (in case anyone has asked this earlier.)
As JoeRugby says think it's just the boxed set.
But, I'll take a look around at the show when I'm there, you never know they might have got some other casts and releases ready for the day.
I'm getting an intellectual property dispute message when I try and look at the KS page, lol.
Tried looking through the first dozen pages of the topic and even the links from back then no longer work..
Some people on the FB page were mentioning they were re-opening the pledge manager at some point.
Well, as a final thought for this KS, I have been waiting for years for miniatures like this! I really, really can't wait! That looks like a big-ass box with a lot of stuff in it!
Lots more exclamation marks!!! Woohoo!!!
Well! Went to the Games Expo today in Birmingham, UK. Asked if they had any copies of the KS left, apparently it had been like a 'black friday' sale on the first day of the expo with a massive throng of people and all KS copies gone within 5 minutes! So, zero chance at all for me to pick one up strolling in mid-morning on Sunday, lol
But, I was assured KS copies will be on their way in coming weeks - apparently it will be in order of pledge date, first come first serve.
Prodos did have the temple setup again with the Predators and Aliens racing towards it, have to say it looked absolutely fantastic !
Pacific wrote:Well! Went to the Games Expo today in Birmingham, UK. Asked if they had any copies of the KS left, apparently it had been like a 'black friday' sale on the first day of the expo with a massive throng of people and all KS copies gone within 5 minutes! So, zero chance at all for me to pick one up strolling in mid-morning on Sunday, lol
But, I was assured KS copies will be on their way in coming weeks - apparently it will be in order of pledge date, first come first serve.
Prodos did have the temple setup again with the Predators and Aliens racing towards it, have to say it looked absolutely fantastic !
Heh yeah same here. I didn't get to the expo until Saturday morning and they were gone by then. Oh well, I should get mine in the post in the next 4 - 6 weeks
Alex C wrote:Minis look amazing! Never doubted they would Where's his free Face Huggers though?
Cards look nice, but the tiles look flimsy. We shall see how they hold up.
Book seems a nice size!
I don't think you have to worry about the tiles. They aren't Space Hulk thick - more like the card Battlesystems use - but I was worried about them too until I got my hands on the display copy Prodos had on their stand
One thing I'm not sure has been mentioned - the starter box is very, VERY heavy. I was told over 6KG (~13.5 pounds) You can see from the photos that it's not especially deep, but is one of the densest-feeling game boxes I've ever picked up. Enough so that I had an opportunity to pick my copy up on Friday, but didn't fancy lugging it home on the train!
So you'll definitely want to just use the base box for storing the cardboard/tokens/rulebook - although I doubt anyone was planning on throwing their resin models in there!
That said, the resin does seem to be remarkably resilient, as promised. They were storing a lot of the painted (tabletop) display models by throwing them loosely in a cardboard box under the table, no packing material, and I saw the Alien tails being bent to some quite extreme angles without breaking.
They also look amazing in real life, although the "truescale" humans look like they might be fiddly to paint. Not convinced that the Queen is worth £35 though, and the power loader doesn't feel hulking enough!
Mymearan wrote: What freebies did the backers get that us retail peasants won't? Is it only a few face huggers?
And a Berzerker Predator, but I think that comes later.
Facehuggers should have been in that unboxing video though. They were supposed to be added to the board game boxes for KS backers.
Unless they're just rushing boxes for retail and we get huggers with wave 2...
Really, the Kickstarter just meant that you were getting things for cheaper - the higher your pledge, the more "free choices/cash credits" you got, and the cheaper the base game got. Also, I believe the add-on miniatures were guaranteed to not have a base retail price lower than the Kickstarter prices, although obviously retail buyers are likely to get them at a discount anyway. Quite a good deal, if you didn't have a wait a very long and indeterminate amount of time for delivery!
To be honest, I don't really mind not having Facehuggers with the boxed game. I have plenty of Tyranid Rippers to fulfil that role until I get them lol.
I assume if Fox are still approving add-on stuff, but the base game is good to go, after all the delays the best decision was to give everyone what was available now rather than wait for longer.
CptJake wrote: I sure hope they give m a chance to change the shipping address before they ship it to my old house.
Could you not just go to the pledge manager and change it like they suggested a few weeks back ?
You mean when they put out this:
9. Pledge manager changes and address update. By Friday we'll have an update for you with instruction how to do changes in the PM, postal address update and locking the PM. PLEASE make sure that you have done final alternations to your pledge, including the updated postal address by 31st of May. IT will affect the shipping date if the pledge manager is not locked. Please do not send emails to request that we update your postal address as we don't have capacity and capability to do it manually. All information will be available in a forthcoming update.
No i just went on the pledge manager anyway and changed my address as we've been able to do from the start .
The only bit locked is the part where you say what you want.
I read the above as "make sure you check your postal address is correct and change it by the 31st of may ,we will put a how to guide up" ok they didn't do the guide but the pledge manager was still open .
Hey Guys here is your Friday update for June 5, 2015.
Shipping to backers will commence on Monday, due to needing a reprint of black text on the back of the Alien faction cards.
If you can please close your pledge managers to ensure your shipment of the board game goes smoothly. However if you don’t need any change in your address for shipping leaving it open will be fine.
Pledge manager link: http://calc.prodos.co.uk/panel#login
The pledge manager will be re-opened later before we start shipping wave 2, so you can add more stuff if you wish when you see the final models.
Here is an instructional video for using the pledge manager.
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Is it too soon to start getting a playing space ready?
Alex C wrote: Any news on if they started shipping yesterday as planned?
I don't know if they actually started on Monday, but Jarek confirmed late yesterday afternoon that some boxes definitely have left Prodos Towers bound for backers this week.
We're yet to hear from any backer who has received a parcel, or even an email shipping notice for that matter. (we have no confirmation that shipping notices are being sent out).
Take it with a pinch of salt, but they were saying at UKGE that they were shipping them out in backer order number (presumably by hub). So you can guess approximately where you are in the queue by when you backed - I don't know if the entire process is going to take days or weeks.
it'll take weeks. they need to manufacture at least 2000 boxsets just to meet backer requirements, and likely it's probably nearer 2500 or even 3000 (and they've promised to deliver to retail in time for a launch on 30th., so that's a fair few more). They previously told us they would be able to make 300 sets in the week following UK Expo, ramping up to 800 per week in subsequent weeks, so by any sensible calculation it's going to take at least 4 weeks simply to make the sets they need, likely 5 or 6 weeks.
they said on tuesday that some sets had already left Prodos Towers bound for backers. It's now Thursday and we're waiting for anyone to report delivery....
and yes I cam confirm they said they'd be shipping in backer number order. They aren't using any "hub" shipping - all sets are being shipped direct to backers from their facility in Poland.
I'm backer #19 so I should be one of the first out the door but I'll believe it when I see it. I'll let you know if it turns up in the next few days - no shipping notification yet anyway but we might not get one.
Rob from Prodos said yesterday that no shipping notification was given during WZR, so he expects (to his own admitted disappointment) that this will be the same.
According to the draft rules they released a while back:
Draft Rules wrote:
Some models aren’t supplied with a base at all. You should always feel free to mount the model on any size base for modeling or aesthetic purposes, however, please take note that models will have to follow the rules of the models placed on the base it should be mounted on. Each Stat card specifies on which size base the model should be mounted on.
We have 3 types of base sizes:
Small Bases are 30mm in diameter.
Medium Bases are 40mm in diameter and are used for example HQ/Elders, Alien Warriors.
Large Bases are 50mm or more in diameter and used for Large Models and Light Vehicles.
Monsters often do not have a base or have a special base (Alien Crusher). These are regarded as'Large Bases' in the Game Rules unless specified otherwise.
Top right of the KS page there is a small picture of your KS avatar with a down arrow, click the arrow, then click backed projects in "My stuff" it will bring up a new page of all your backed projects you might need to click "show more pledges" to extend the list, go down to AVP click on it and a new window will open showing your pledge details which includes your backer number.
EDITed sorry don't know my left from my right today
It appears it doesn't matter they are sending them out randomly knew it was to good to be true
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here is your AvP update for Friday June 12, 2015
Orders began shipping on Thursday due to a delay getting the reprinted cards ready and waiting for the special order shipping boxes to arrive.
The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.
The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.
So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.
quite how random shipping can be considered fair is beyond me, they've lost me totally on that one.
and they confirmed on Tuesday this week, in two different places, that they had already started shipping. I guess since they can't blame Fox, it's now we see Prodos' true colours.
DaveC, you need to now comment that it's not fair that the shipping is being done randomly, that might then stop the shipping altogether
Chap I know was one of the few who managed to get a box, trampling a few kids and knocking over some old people in the process at the Expo last weekend. The miniatures look FETHING INCREDIBLE.
And I don't use the word fething or write with capslock lightly!
cincydooley wrote: I still have to figure out if I have to reclose my Pledge Manager. I should probably get on that so I get my things.
You should be able to access the pledge manager through the old link, then when you verify information to the right there should be a close button. At least on mine it was on the right side, had to select it to close mine.
This is the type of thing Prodos should have put out to all backers via a KS message a few days before they just put it out for the general public. Kind of a "While your waiting for your KS copy, please enjoy going through the rulebook PDF!"
The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.
Man, sometimes these guys' PR is really puzzling . They can ship in whatever order they like, but to say it was because some high backer number folks complained is foolish because then they'll make some of the low backer number folks upset! (or at least mildly irritated, etc)
Looking forward to what you think of the game DaveC and others!
The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.
The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.
So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.
Thanks,
Prodos Games LTD
So there is no reward for backing earlier? That's pretty perverse.
The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.
The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.
So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.
Thanks,
Prodos Games LTD
So there is no reward for backing earlier? That's pretty perverse.
Why do I get the feeling that the "IT department" is a guy named Bronislaw who also packs boxes and answers the phone at part of his many hats?
Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.
Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?
Also, after watching an unboxing video I noticed there are multiple identical sheets of corridors, each of which has multiple copies of the same corridor. Honestly that is disappointing. The same three ammo crates repeat over and over and over and over as you battle through your missions... When I look at similar games, this becomes even more disappointing. I don;t think my newer Space Hulk (for example) has many repeated tiles among the corridor pieces, surely not among the longer ones.
CptJake wrote: Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.
Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?
It will be really annoying if they have a outdated rulebook in the box. They have had so long to get the rules right this right while FOX approved the IP/story gak.
CptJake wrote: Also, after watching an unboxing video I noticed there are multiple identical sheets of corridors, each of which has multiple copies of the same corridor. Honestly that is disappointing. The same three ammo crates repeat over and over and over and over as you battle through your missions... When I look at similar games, this becomes even more disappointing. I don;t think my newer Space Hulk (for example) has many repeated tiles among the corridor pieces, surely not among the longer ones.
This sounds terrible... I had seen tile repetition during the KS but had hoped that was just something in the prototype... It's not diffficult to cut and paste different items onto a blank corridor, it's this kind of corner cutting that shows prodos don't truely care for the game ... Just the licence and the money it brings in.
I'm guessing it was due to the approval process. Repeating the same tile twice means you don't have to wait for two images to be approved. I suspect that was more of the issue rather than it being cheaper or Prodos being unable to creatively come up with more. I agree though that it still isn't a good excuse but it's where the game apparently is (I can't watch the video ATM).
don't get too excited that they are two sided. The flipside is exactly the same graphics as side 1, but with different colours - a red "emergency lighting" hue rather than the green.
Prodos have said that they have plans for missions/rules that will require the use of the red side, though those don't exist just yet. I'm confused as to why they'd bother though since the double sided tiles are supposed to be KS exclusives (I guess that's another thing that's gone out with the bath water)
Oh and to make things worse, because of the lug design, it's not possible to build a layout that uses a mixture of both sides of the tiles.
The corridor tiles are not quite identical, there are actually three types - normal, infested and half infested.
Of the 34 corridors I have in my box, they have the following mix..... 18 normal, 11 infested, 4 half infested and 1 that joins the predator pod to the ship tiles. Granted within each type of corridor there is no further variant, and to be honest, you're going to need better eyesight than mine to be able to tell the difference in game play. Incidentally, for what it's worth, the rulebook says there are 32 corridor sections - another error, albeit minor.
Regarding the rulebook, yes the released PDF is significantly different to the one that appeared in that first batch of 50 box sets, both in layout and content, with the new rulebook containing a turn sequence flowchart that doesn't appear in the original (one obvious change, I'm sure there are others). I'd agree, that does suggest they sent the wrong files to the printers (or the printers used an old version rather than a newer one and nobody from either company bothered to QA check). I wonder when they realised - probably when they split a box open for demo at UK Expo. They probably therefore handed out boxes to backers in the full knowledge that there was a problem, but said nothing. In fairness however, they have said they will be sending those 50 backers a replacement rulebook with wave 2, though that does mean that since wave 2 is (by my guess) 4-6 months away, most backers will have the v1.1 rulebook in hand way before those lucky 50.
Since the release of the pdf rulebook (v1.1) we've found countless errors with it. The rules seem ok, though it's early to say, but there are many many spelling mistakes, more grammar errors than I care to count, and some people have suggested there are some layout issues that make comprehending the rules harder than was necessary. Some have described it as "not newbie friendly", and I'm inclined to agree. Prodos had opened a thread inviting feedback on facebook, but within a few hours of doing so, Jarek threw a hissy fit and deleted it. It seems they really don't appreciate criticism at all - a trait we knew well from the KS process. At the time, there were at least 3 known mistakes that actually affect game play.
My general feeling is that Iike the figures a lot (though I've broken an Alien tail trying to insert it into the body - my fault really - should have filed the lug a little more, but stupidly went with brute force and ignorance instead - take care! (it's easily fixed with a dab of superglue). I'm impressed with the quality of the board game components - good card, nice finish, though I think the artwork is a little dark and really rather bland (a design issue rather than production). Certainly they are perfectly playable and feel like they will last a good long while. The cards are good quality, and the dice are, well, dice. All good stuff. For me it's the rulebook which lets them down. At first glance it looks good, until you realise it contains lots of grammar and spelling errors (they jump off the page at me, others may be more forgiving - none of them affect gameplay), and the book contains almost no fluff - no Steve Perry story, nothing really that sets the scene. It's like we've been given the basics and nothing more. If I were a fan of the genre and new to gaming, buying this for my first gaming experience, I'd be very disappointed since I'd expect it to be chock full of cool writing. For the length of time they've been working on it, they really have missed a huge opportunity to make this something special.
I could probably rant on a while longer about what's wrong with it, and that would be without having played a game yet and so not needed to study the rules in minutiae. Those that have played it have largely given good feedback of the experience.
CptJake wrote: Is it your understanding that copies currently shipping have a newer printed rulebook than those initial 50 given out?
Yes, that's the impression I've got. They've only said they'll be sending the newer rulebook to the first 50, which suggests pledges being shipped now contain the v1.1 rulebook.
I sure as hell wish Prodos would use either the KS messaging or at least their own forums to put out this type of info.
and tell me about it. We've banged on about the need for them to communicate via KS messaging or even better the email database they have from the pledge manager until we're blue in the face.
I'll admit, I've struggled to square the maths on that one myself.
My bet is they realised at the Expo. That was the weekend of 30/31 May. They were supposed to have begun shipping the following monday, but it didn't happen until the thursday of the following week (11th), ostensibly because their special shipping boxes hadn't arrived. A week and a half for a full reprint of the rulebook? I guess that's possible. If that's what they did, and that's the real reason for the delay, I find it frustrating that once again they didn't feel they could be honest, but there seems little point in pushing the issue.
Automatically Appended Next Post: then again, the rules were only released to us this week, and it was only at that point that they admitted changes from the version already delivered to the 50. Maybe they've just ordered reprints now, and haven't shipped a single box yet - maybe that's why we're yet to hear a report of anybody outside of those 50 actually receiving their pledge.
CptJake wrote: Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.
Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?
It will be really annoying if they have a outdated rulebook in the box.
Panic...
Please, it's not like Sedition Wars suffered for having an outdated rulebook in the box.
On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).
DaveC wrote: On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).
I'd hate to have this game channeling palladium (for delays and suprise wave shipping), sedition wars (for outdated rulebooks upon receipt), and Games and Gears boards for "we shipped it.. oops, no we didn't!" delays.
DaveC wrote: On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).
I'd hate to have this game channeling palladium (for delays and suprise wave shipping), sedition wars (for outdated rulebooks upon receipt), and Games and Gears boards for "we shipped it.. oops, no we didn't!" delays.
and yet we know for a fact that all those things have happened. It was all at once, then 2 waves with add-ons first and boardgame to follow, then it was boardgame first and add-on to follow. We know that even the newer v1.1 rulebook has at least 3 fundamental rules errors in it (though it isn't the train smash that SW was perceived to be, and they actually responded in the affirmative when asked last tuesday whether they had already shipped any units out to backers, only to admit 3 days later that in fact they only started on the thursday.
So yeah, eyes down for a full house on that one.
Oh and they changed their tune on the reasons behind the KS being taken down, admitting that is was done intentionally rather than "by mistake" earlier this week as well.
Seriously, you couldn't make it up. And still the fanboys defend them to the hilt.
In their "defense", they changed their tune about the KS take down months ago. It was still a falsified reason to do so and a douche move but it isn't a newly admitted douche move. But yeah, I agree with most of the above although I wouldn't put a 2-3 day "white lie" about shipping starting in with games and gears and their multiweek to multimonth "mistakes" regarding shipping starting.
oh I agree - they aren't even close to Games and Gears, but I just wonder why there was any reason to tell the white lie in the first place. Why bother to say on Tuesday that you've started shipping only to say on Friday that you started to ship on Thursday and the delay was due to some issues with getting the packaging delivered. Why not admit that you're being held up by that (if indeed that was the real reason - see earlier points about rulebook reprinting). In what way does the lie make the situation any better?
It's the mentality that I don't understand. I know they aren't alone in committing thee faux pas, but it's also certainly true that some KS are up front at every stage and benefit significantly from being so, and I'd name Battle Systems as an obvious example.
Automatically Appended Next Post: then again, in one post last Friday, Jarek said that "most backers will receive their parcels next week" - ie this week. This despite the fact that they'd already admitted they'd only shipped 150 units., and it takes at least a week for parcels to get out of Poland and to their destinations in Europe, let alone the rest of the world. 150 parcels? most? hmmmm.
I think half the time Prodos are guilty of just saying stupid stuff without considering whether that they've written makes any sense, and certainly without considering the ramifications. In short, they just don't do customer relations very well at all.
So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.
Manchu wrote: So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.
The box game was only ever supposed to be a board game. Miniatures rules were going to follow later (as I understood it).
Manchu wrote: So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.
Is it space hulk board gamey, dust "whatever the versions were that switches from board game to wargame by just changing the map" like, or D&D/SWM prepaints where it effectively just was a minis game on a board/map?
I say board game because it looks like all measurement and LOS considerations are tile-based. I reckon it could be converted to a miniatures game but honestly the mechanics seem unnecessarily complicated for either a board game or miniatures game. Miniatures look pretty ace, however.
If they let people take games from salute with the 'wrong' rule book they could well be in trouble with Fox for shipping unapproved stuff so they keep quite hoping nobody will tell on them ?
Manchu wrote: So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.
The box game was only ever supposed to be a board game. Miniatures rules were going to follow later (as I understood it).
Correct. the wargame is the hardback rulebook (and freely downloadable pff) that will be released alongside the wave 2 add-on minis.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: If they let people take games from salute with the 'wrong' rule book they could well be in trouble with Fox for shipping unapproved stuff so they keep quite hoping nobody will tell on them ?
If they shipped last week then people would of had them by now . I get alot of stuff shipped from poland and its normally 3-4 days .the polish postal service is actually very good.
CURNOW wrote: If they shipped last week then people would of had them by now . I get alot of stuff shipped from poland and its normally 3-4 days .the polish postal service is actually very good.
but they only shipped 150, and we don't know who to because they are shipping "random" order. Maybe they started with the 150 who live in Outer Mongolia ....
I do recall one of the updates from Prodos a while back saying that Fox had called for an extensive re-edit of the rulebook to remove all of the fluff and to make it more universe-consistent. I get the impression that Prodos originally wanted to make this slightly more their own, and it's a shame that the end product is steering away from this.
That said, few settings have more evocative "fluff" than the Aliens universe, and it's not hard to be engaged by the basic narrative of something toothy and horrible in the darkness trying to eat you.
My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.
And, on BGG a guy mentioned there were 8 identical punch boards for the corridors.
Didn't Prodos say that they'd hired S.D. Perry to write their fluff pieces? Besides Alan Dean Foster, isn't he The Guy who writes fiction for the Aliens and Predator franchises?
I guess I keep thinking of the flavor text from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, and how much we are missing out by not having more of that.
CptJake wrote: My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.
Exactly what happened.
Prodos was already late delivering the game so they just removed the fiction rather than re-writing stuff to go through multiple approvals again.
I can understand why they did it. Whether it's a good thing or not is up for debate. Personally I'm glad things weren't delayed further by trying to wrangle Fox-approved fiction in there. I just want my game. I can make my own fiction up.
I do wonder if they'll have it in the Wargame rulebook though, as they have a little more time with that.
CptJake wrote: My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.
And, on BGG a guy mentioned there were 8 identical punch boards for the corridors.
Who cares? Clearly I do. And it isn't 8 identical bits, it is 8 identical boards of bits, each of which has multiples. And the same 3 ammo crates grace different bits giving a very 'same' look to it all.
I fully understand some folks, such as yourself, don't care about that. But compared to say, Space Hulk, the board layout will look pretty boring, and that detracts from the game quite a bit in my opinion. The visuals of the Aliens/Predator universe are a large part of what got me to back the game. To get lazy and reuse the same tiles/artwork over and over is a huge missed opportunity.
But again, I do understand that others don't care. lol
yeah, I care, 48 tiles with the same grouping of three crates! Thats very gak! It would have made me think twice about backing if I'd known up front if I'm honest.
If they knew they would duplicate the tile this many times why not just have blank corridors!
Hey guys here is your update for Friday June 19, 2015
We have shipped over 400 packages this week, we are still in process of ramping it up further, next week there will be more, and we will have some pictures for you guys soon.
Just to let you know we have cleaned up the AvP forums on the main Prodos Forums for you come and discuss rules questions and the like. It will make things easy to find the answers to questions that you are searching for, if it’s already been asked. http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewforum.php…
We are fully testing the Pledge manager over the weekend to see of the notification system will work. If it does we will roll out notifications as soon as possible.
I will say, if you backed this game because of the tiles, rather than owning high quality minis of predators, aliens and marines, you have something wrong with you
CptJake wrote: Lord forbid someone backed a KS for a board game and actually wanted a good game out of the project...
Inb4 "game over, man, game over!" post. Oh crap... I do agree that this was advertised IIRC (at least the core box) as a board game so having varied tiles is a reasonable expectation.
Still, as the corridor contents seem to have an impact in the rules (if theyare infested or not) I can see the 3 crate looks as a quick visual shorthand. (I'll admit that that is the benefit of the doubt to a high level...)
The other thing i noticed on the unboxing video is blank space on the cardboard frames. Surely they should have optimized the frames better evn if it is just for more tokens. Wasted space is wasted opportunity
Pacific wrote: I will say, if you backed this game because of the tiles, rather than owning high quality minis of predators, aliens and marines, you have something wrong with you
Really, I mean that
There are tiles? o.O news to me, I was only buying it for the minis.
But yeah, looking at the tiles in that pic that was posted, thats some really lazy design work...
well it looks like I've been ejected from the facebook group.
Jarek, responding to concerns that nobody has yet reported receiving their boxset even though shipping started 13 days ago, pointed out that there are only about 400 backers in the group.
I suggested that if that number is correct, then by only updating facebook (as they have done recently) rather than sending out KS updates or using the email database they have thanks to the pledge manager, they are essentially keeping 80% of their backers in the dark.
and now I can't see the group at all. it would appear that they can't cope with having the truth pointed out.
Who ever would have thought that a company that has the KS page taken down, in part to avoid folks asking hard questions and in part folks pointing out uncomfortable truths would then go on to ban people from their facebook group.
I get closer and closer to committing to selling off everything I eventually get from them just because I really want no part in anything Prodos related.
to be honest, I'm not all that surprised. If anything is a surprise it's that they took this long, but seriously, I've never typed anything that might be considered offensive on there (unlike many of the fanboys who remain) and while I've asked hard questions, and pointed out telling facts, I've always been fair, and even defended them on occasions when others tried to make ridiculous demands or statements.
Their inability to understand how important the customer / business relationship is, is remarkable.
Automatically Appended Next Post: so my guess is that they've been telling porkies again, and in fact they haven't shipped out 550+ units so far. They don't like it when you get too near the truth, and so by inference, I was indeed close to the truth. They are intentionally keeping as many backers in the dark as they can, and the only credible reason for that is that they have something to hide.
It'll be telling what their priorities are if stores get their supplies because they're incoming money whereas backers who pledged over a year ago are outgoing costs.
warboss wrote: It'll be telling what their priorities are if stores get their supplies because they're incoming money whereas backers who pledged over a year ago are outgoing costs.
you say "if" like there's a chance that stores won't get theirs as a priority.
I suspect this is the very issue that Prodos are battling with right now - that they have committed (whether through choice or because Fox have forced their hand on pain of huge financial penalty or whatever) to provide stock to retail in time for a 30th June launch while at the same time have shipped to backers before then. It's pretty easy to assume they can't do both - they almost certainly don't have enough time and/or manpower to get it all done in time.
for sure, given that quandary (if it exists), they'll end up servicing the retailers before coming back to finish the backer order - they really don't have much choice. What is annoying is that they got themselves into this mess in the first place. At some point in time they signed a contract with Fox. It seems to me that at that point, they should have stressed the importance of dealing with backers first (at least making the units needed for backers first and setting them aside before starting to make retail, if not shipping all of them), and setting that requirement in stone. That they now may be dealing with retail ahead of backers (I fail to see how they have a choice at this point), shows that they failed to protect their relationship with backers in that initial contract. Either such a clause was never put in, or it was not robust enough to withstand scrutiny, That's entirely their fault (though I'll accept they were probably a little naive in their dealings with Fox)
So once again they are caught between a rock and a hard place, and probably can't even communicate the fact since it will seriously piss off one side or the other.
Pretty much all their problems likely boil down to poor contract negotiations though when you think about it.
yep you're right, but you're assuming they have enough boxed games made up. They don't. They have the individual components, but they need to pick/pack each boxed game, and then shrink wrap it - that's a time consuming business - not a hard one, but it's time consuming.
They talked about ramping up to production of around 800 per week by now (no idea whether they've achieved that). If that was the case though, they'd still need another 2 weeks minimum just to make enough for the backers alone, and retail need theirs in the next week. We have no idea how many boxed games retail companies will have ordered, but you'd think it would be 10-50 units minimum order, and there are dozens, probably hundreds of retail outlets (including online) worldwide.
The numbers don't stack up - they just can't make up the boxed game fast enough.
The shipping isn't the issue they can only produce so many units per week 400 or so I think and they only started to assemble finished products 2 weeks ago so there is no way they can produce enough units for both retail and backers before June 30th and like Biggusdoggus I suspect retail will get priority.
It's now 2 weeks since the initial batch of 150 backer units and nearly 1 week since the next 400 shipped and still no reports of delivery I now suspect that the real reason that they went for random rather than backer order is so that no one would know for definite when or if theirs had shipped if they had stuck to backer we would know for definite if they had shipped those initial 150 as I would have mine at this stage. There's a lot of misinformation or half truths going on here.
DaveC wrote: I now suspect that the real reason that they went for random rather than backer order is so that no one would know for definite when or if theirs had shipped if they had stuck to backer we would know for definite if they had shipped those initial 150 as I would have mine at this stage. There's a lot of misinformation or half truths going on here.
warboss wrote: It'll be telling what their priorities are if stores get their supplies because they're incoming money whereas backers who pledged over a year ago are outgoing costs.
you say "if" like there's a chance that stores won't get theirs as a priority.
I suspect this is the very issue that Prodos are battling with right now - that they have committed (whether through choice or because Fox have forced their hand on pain of huge financial penalty or whatever) to provide stock to retail in time for a 30th June launch while at the same time have shipped to backers before then. It's pretty easy to assume they can't do both - they almost certainly don't have enough time and/or manpower to get it all done in time.
That assumes that they also don't want the added "hassle" of extra money coming in right away or soon (depending on their retail terms) for those units just shippied units whereas every backer box going out is nonrefundable almost no strings attached money going out the door. It reminds me of an old bit I remember seeing on TV as a kid. I think it was Abbot and Costello but they were divvying up some stuff and the heavy set one was doing the dividing.
One for you (places one item next to the skinny guy)
One for me (places one item next to himself)
Two for you (places the second item next to the skinny guy)
Two for me (places two items next to himself)
and so on.
In this case, it might be one dozen backer boxs out, one retail pallet out.
no, not at all. They want retail. Hell, they NEED retail. Retail = cashflow, and they need that big time, not least because they probably need to fullfil further payments to Fox. I think we all get that.
I don't think anyone would be remotely surprised that they are (maybe) servicing retail first or amongst the backers. The real problem here is where they've made certain statements over timescales, and realistically they can't meet them. They've done this throughout the kickstarter, at almost every single point. Remember when they said they'd be shipping us stuff before Christmas? They were still saying that until mid November - just 3-4 weeks away, yet here we are now some 6 months later.
They've repeatedly given timescales that were ridiculous, and when you crunch the numbers, the current promises to both backers AND retail are equally unrealistic. It's probably no wonder that Fox are less than happy about that.
They've repeatedly given timescales that were ridiculous, and when you crunch the numbers, the current promises to both backers AND retail are equally unrealistic. It's probably no wonder that Fox are less than happy about that.
And worse, when you ask questions about it or point out what they are saying cannot be correct, they shut you down if at all possible. That (to me) clearly indicates the problem is more than just bad estimates/overoptimism. It is indicative of dishonesty and deception. THAT is and has been my major issue with them.
Remember that Prodos also does work for other companies, which stretches them even further. How much their contract work takes away from wave 1 and/or 2 of AvP fulfillment I don't know, but I don't think Prodos has many staff, do they?
Final product does look great though, and I really don't mind the duplicate tile art. Looking forward to getting mine, though I'm sure I'm last on the "random" list.
They've repeatedly given timescales that were ridiculous, and when you crunch the numbers, the current promises to both backers AND retail are equally unrealistic. It's probably no wonder that Fox are less than happy about that.
And worse, when you ask questions about it or point out what they are saying cannot be correct, they shut you down if at all possible. That (to me) clearly indicates the problem is more than just bad estimates/overoptimism. It is indicative of dishonesty and deception. THAT is and has been my major issue with them.
Indeed, but while the problems have been of their own making (if you boil it all down to a contract that has forced them to pander to Fox rather than commit to backers), I'm not sure the deception is necessarily intentional, at least not vindictively so.
Consider their current predicament. Clearly they can't tell Fox to go take a hike on the release date, especially now it's announced and the market expects. In any event they've now spent all of our money and a fair bit more getting the product done, and I suspect the delays (whoever's fault that is) have cost them even more. They are now desperate for cash flow themselves, so they really have to meet that 30th deadline and service retail. So they can't tell Fox and retail they'll be late, nor can they afford to even if there are no further financial penalties. On the flipside, they can't come to the backers and say our delivery is going to be further delayed because they have to ship to retail - even the fanboys will revolt at that one.
So I don't believe they are being vindictive in not giving us the whole picture, I believe that thanks to a build up of different issues that they felt they couldn't tell us about, they are now backed into a corner. Their only option is to keep quiet and hope people won't ask awkward questions, and that's why they react badly when people do raise those issues and point out things like their maths is wrong and they can't possibly do what they say they are going to do.
Contrast them with other kickstarters who choose to be very very open with backers. Those companies generally get a really clean ride through the process even when things don't go to plan. An informed backer is almost always a happy backer. A backer who feels he's not being given the truth is almost always going to be upset.
Somewhere along the line Prodos have lost sight of the plain fact that the 2000 backers they have right now are likely their core customers. They didn't care enough about that to protect their KS commitments in that contract, and that's ultimately been their problem throughout the process.
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angelofvengeance wrote: While I appreciate that I'm finally going to have my stuff for AvP, I will never back another project with Prodos' name on it.
Final product does look great though, and I really don't mind the duplicate tile art. Looking forward to getting mine, though I'm sure I'm last on the "random" list.
Ha and there I was thinking I was going to be last on the random list
angelofvengeance wrote: While I appreciate that I'm finally going to have my stuff for AvP, I will never back another project with Prodos' name on it.
you're not alone in that.
Me three.
Unless it's like something so EPIC I can't help myself with shiney syndrom (30-32mm tall marvel minis maybe.... (knight minis ones are too big etc ect)
But even with the above affliction how they have reacted at times in the campaign, especially the now only communicating through facecrap has soured them to me.
It would appear the we shipped 400 units last week was incorrect if they can only process 40 per day that's only 200 per week (max 280 if they work 7 days) and don't email us about shipping ( because I don't think anything has gone out yet)
I'm glad I ordered what I wanted as Prodos won't be getting my custom again.
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Here is your Friday AvP update for June 26, 2015:
1. Shipping - please don’t send us an emails about when your pledge will be shipped, once your order is processed you will receive a confirmation email -please wait for an email, we are processing approx. 40 a day at this stage.
2. Production, we are still ramping things up, thus the numbers of how many have been shipped are lower than we had hoped. We are working closely with the manufacturer (that is 100km away from us) on the issues.
3. Please make sure that you have the pledge manager updated with all the correct information, please double check, you need the following: Real Name and Surname (no nick names) and full address. If you fail to do so it will delay your shipping.
4. If you need to change any info in the Pledge manager please log in at: calc.prodos.co.uk 5. If you are having any issues with logging in, please email Michal at michal.pawlaczyk@prodos.co.uk, please give him at least 48 hours to respond. (we are working through weekends as well)
Cheers,
Prodos Games LTD
DaveC wrote: It would appear the we shipped 400 units last week was incorrect if they can only process 40 per day that's only 200 per week (max 280 if they work 7 days) and don't email us about shipping ( because I don't think anything has gone out yet)
Technically the amount of orders processed in a day doesn't impact how many orders could have been shipped in a previous week. Those orders could have been stockpiled and ready to go ahead of time. Given the amount of people with unboxings, playing the game and posts I've seen, 40-200 are both too small of a number as well. Now whether that 400 also includes the amount that were picked up at Salute, that is a different story. It isn't uncommon for a company to include those in the numbers of "Shipped/Delivered" when making a count.
I don't think there are enough people who actually got their copies to have a "general consensus"... that seems to be a part of the issue regarding the rules. The few reports we have from the convention where they handed out copies is that the minis are nice and the tiles are repetitive.
I've seen the minis at a couple of conventions this year and they are absolutely, drop-dead awesome. But, I'm saying that as a massive fan of both franchises, and someone who has seen the films too many times to count. If you're in the same demographic as me then I can say with good confidence that you'll feel the same way about them too.
As for the gameplay I'm afraid I don't know much about it. Really, I'm hoping for something that has at least a semblance of gameplay, has had enough playtesting to ensure it's more or less a level playing field for each faction in the missions. Prodos aren't newbies to the industry so I've got some confidence that the game will be playable*
"This screenshot from the excellent color theory and exploration site, kuler, shows what happens when you apply complementary color theory to flesh tones. You see, flesh tones exist mostly in the orange range and when you look to the opposite end of the color wheel from that, where does one land? Why looky here, we have our old friend Mr. Teal. And anyone who has ever taken color theory 101 knows that if you take two complementary colors and put them next to each other, they will "pop", and sometimes even vibrate. So, since people (flesh-tones) exist in almost every frame of every movie ever made, what could be better than applying complementary color theory to make people seem to "pop" from the background. I mean, people are really important, aren't they?"
No people on the game board and they use nothing but TEAL...
Disappointing if they are shipping to retailers before fulfilling backer orders. I realize they probably need the revenue stream but it's sad that they forget their existing commitments. Still waiting on my final wave of Wolsung because Prodos "forgot" to do some work for Micro Art Studios (their words, not mine).
I'll just be glad when I have everything in hand and can enjoy the great game and minis instead of worrying about fulfillment.
Alex C wrote: Disappointing if they are shipping to retailers before fulfilling backer orders. I realize they probably need the revenue stream but it's sad that they forget their existing commitments. Still waiting on my final wave of Wolsung because Prodos "forgot" to do some work for Micro Art Studios (their words, not mine).
I'll just be glad when I have everything in hand and can enjoy the great game and minis instead of worrying about fulfillment.
Me too!
It will be nice to not keep coming back to this thread, it's fething terrible !
The OP is asking about the rules in the rules discussion sub forum so I guess the rest was deemed off topic and deleted nothing more than that I doubt Prodos had any hand in it.
It's disappointing to see just how much stock went to retailers over backers and I have still yet to see anyone confirm they got either a shipping notification or delivery
Good times, had a mild troll of Wayland FB picture showing that.
Great to see Prodos just not giving a fig now, i doubt i will ever see the extra stuff we got as backers, let alone the stuff i have paid for and asked about in the pledge manager, i forsee a retail box being thrown my way, and the rest of the stuff will just die quietly, and Prodos Trouser the extra £40 on top.
carlos13th wrote:I have to admit what I have seen of how this kickstarter was handled would make me only purchase something from them if it was in my hands at a store.
Very much my stance. Prodos have said they'll never do KS again, but even if they changed their mind and came up with the best product ever, I'd still wait until I could pick it directly off a shelf.
Rick_1138 wrote:Good times, had a mild troll of Wayland FB picture showing that.
Great to see Prodos just not giving a fig now, i doubt i will ever see the extra stuff we got as backers, let alone the stuff i have paid for and asked about in the pledge manager, i forsee a retail box being thrown my way, and the rest of the stuff will just die quietly, and Prodos Trouser the extra £40 on top.
Happy Days
For all the troubles so far, I don't think that's likely to happen. We know for certain that most if not all the models required to fulfil KS backer pledges in wave 2 have been made - we've seen the piles of crates of them.
Not had a notification from my FLGS of them having received their retail pre-orders yet, but I'm pleased for the KS backers who get product in their hands before me - do unto others etc etc.
"Am I the only one that got my copy of the game last friday? I wasn't a Kickstarter backer and I do live in Poland..."
This irks me somewhat. PRODOS stated that all KS backers would recieve their copies before anyone else.
Once Prodos made the decision to sell the "KS Only Resin Version" via retail, I assumed they would get it to retail even as they were shipping KS copies. Not that I was happy when they did so, I just saw it coming. I figured they had one or more motivating factors (were contractually bound to begin sales by some date/needed the cash flow/wanted to gin up excitement and sales to a new set of customers and so on). I also suspect from their perspective it is a ton easier to send 50 or so copies to a single address than to send them out to 50 different addresses.
Prodos and G&G are on my naughty list. Both are late and lied excessively.
By comparison Grindhouse is extraordinarily late with incurrsion but I have nothing but praise for how they have dealt with the projects speed bumps, I will buy pretty much every thing they release in the future.
Panic...
So some (may be a lot) backers probably won't see theirs until the end of July a full month after retail and why has it only now occurred to them that they got the logistics wrong this isn't their first KS. I guess it now suits them to string out the shipping in the hope of shipping everything in one go.
I notice this update didn't go to facebook (yet) - they are starting to get some disgruntled posts there in the last day or two.
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Here is your AvP update for Friday July 3, 2015
We are in talks with another Board Game supplier to increase manufacturing output of AvP. Our current manufacturer is excellent and of stellar quality, but the output is simply too low.
We are talking with 2 UK based companies to partner with to help aid us with shipping to backers. We simply do not have the capacity in our own warehouse to process at the rate we feel is required to complete shipment on our own. The UK was our largest market and we are confident we could cut down shipping time considerably by agreeing to one of these companies, even if the cost is considerably higher than doing it ourselves.
Please be aware that there are some further delays shipping to UK recipients due to the Calais strike, we apologise for this matter which is out of our control but we are on the phone the courier daily to find out more news, just know that they are coming. This has allegedly ended today, though we are naturally quite cynical after a week of troubles. We have asked the courier if they can take an alternative route, but it seems they cannot (we believe this is due to an agreement they have with this particular ferry port, but we may be wrong). If you have a tracking number from us and the parcel was last scanned in the Netherlands, this is why.
In any case, we expect to have all packages sent to EU backers by the end of the month as long as we agree to terms with a shipping partner.
We have shipped retail copies of AvP to shops due to contractual obligations. We are not taking any more retail orders for AvP until we catch up on Kickstarter backer shipments. We also understand this is hard to swallow, but we want to ensure you that this decision was not made with malice or greed in mind.
USA Backers can pick up their copies of AvP at GenCon Indy at the end of July. More information regarding this will be coming in the next week or so as we confirm some things here on our end.
It is very important to note that we will not be selling AvP at Gencon. Even if there are copies left, they will be used to fulfil Kickstarter pledges which have not, by that stage, been collected or shipped. The few US backers that have received shipping notifications were a lucky anomaly caused by the Pledge Manager update for shipping notifications.
There is movement on the Wave two Add-ons we should have all the packaging approved very soon. If we get approval next week we will be able to start shipping them within 30 days. This means that some backers may receive almost all of their KS rewards in one shipment. The following items are still early along in the approval process and will take a bit longer: Predator Young Bloods, Resin Terrain and the Wargames rulebook. It should also be noted that our release schedule to retailers of the add-ons will be staggered, whereas Kickstarter backers will receive them in one batch.
We would like the tone of this message to be a massive thank you for your patience and an equally massive apology for the delay. We'd like to end this update in the hope that you guys are aware we are trying to pull out all the stops to make sure you are all happy.
Please be aware that there are some further delays shipping to UK recipients due to the Calais strike, we apologise for this matter which is out of our control but we are on the phone the courier daily to find out more news, just know that they are coming. This has allegedly ended today, though we are naturally quite cynical after a week of troubles. We have asked the courier if they can take an alternative route, but it seems they cannot (we believe this is due to an agreement they have with this particular ferry port, but we may be wrong). If you have a tracking number from us and the parcel was last scanned in the Netherlands, this is why.
In any case, we expect to have all packages sent to EU backers by the end of the month as long as we agree to terms with a shipping partner.
We have shipped retail copies of AvP to shops due to contractual obligations. We are not taking any more retail orders for AvP until we catch up on Kickstarter backer shipments. We also understand this is hard to swallow, but we want to ensure you that this decision was not made with malice or greed in mind.
Was the decision to mislead backers about shipping KS boxes in the quantities you claimed made with malice or greed, Prodos? Also, don't you have contractual obligations that PRE-DATE your retail ones with KS backers that you chose to ignore? The above combined with the shipping strike makes this KS really seem like they're trying to follow the Palladium crowdfunding model.
"We retail copies of AvP to shops due to contractual obligations. We are not taking any more retail orders for AvP until we catch up on Kickstarter backer shipments. We also understand this is hard to swallow, but we want to ensure you that this decision was not made with malice or greed in mind"
Guess that gun to their had forcing them into a contract like that was a rough ordeal to go through. I'm sure the prospect of cash flow never entered into the equation.
Anyone who missed the kickstarter should head to gencon, the fact they said they won't be selling it there means they absolutely will be selling it there if past communications are anything to go by.
Please be aware that there are some further delays shipping to UK recipients due to the Calais strike, we apologise for this matter which is out of our control but we are on the phone the courier daily to find out more news, just know that they are coming. This has allegedly ended today, though we are naturally quite cynical after a week of troubles. We have asked the courier if they can take an alternative route, but it seems they cannot (we believe this is due to an agreement they have with this particular ferry port, but we may be wrong). If you have a tracking number from us and the parcel was last scanned in the Netherlands, this is why.
In any case, we expect to have all packages sent to EU backers by the end of the month as long as we agree to terms with a shipping partner.
We have shipped retail copies of AvP to shops due to contractual obligations. We are not taking any more retail orders for AvP until we catch up on Kickstarter backer shipments. We also understand this is hard to swallow, but we want to ensure you that this decision was not made with malice or greed in mind.
Was the decision to mislead backers about shipping KS boxes in the quantities you claimed made with malice or greed, Prodos? Also, don't you have contractual obligations that PRE-DATE your retail ones with KS backers that you chose to ignore? The above combined with the shipping strike makes this KS really seem like they're trying to follow the Palladium crowdfunding model.
Since they signed contract(s) with Fox prior to the KS their contractual obligation to deliver to retailers may not have occurred after the one to the KS backers
not to say it's not a crappy way for them to behave, especially the apparent exaggerations in their early shipping reports
Since they signed contract(s) with Fox prior to the KS their contractual obligation to deliver to retailers may not have occurred after the one to the KS backers
We assume they signed contracts with Fox prior to launching the KS. For sure it seems logical that they did so, but I've always found it mildly concerning that they made absolutely no mention whatsoever of Fox on their KS page. In fact Fox didn't get mentioned in dispatches until fairly near to the time when things started to go slightly off the rails.
If it were me, I'd have had a paragraph on that initial KS page saying something along the lines of "We have a licencing agreement with 21st C Fox, and will be working closely with them to ensure we bring you the best possible product".
They may well have signed a contract at that point, I'm not suggesting they didn't, just that it's odd that Fox wasn't mentioned once until they started laying the blame for delays at Fox's door.
Automatically Appended Next Post: as for the current situation, it's clear now that they've been fire fighting a clusterfeth for the past god knows how many months - arguably since before Christmas, since even in November they were insisting they would make a Christmas delivery, and it's only now that they've backed themselves into a corner badly enough that they've felt they have to come clean (or maybe only cleaner).
I find it galling that over the past 6 months they've booted countless backers from their forums for expressing concern and doubts, and pretty much every single one of those backers has now turned out to be right. Prodos have been caught out for the purveyors of repeated miss-truths that they are.
As Panic said a few posts back, once bitten, twice shy. I won't be backing any Prodos project again, or indeed any project that is run by any company that has any current Prodos director at the helm. (and trust me, they have their fingers in many pies).
I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think Prodos is brilliant. Their commitment to their licensed IPs is nothing short of breathtaking. Seriously, they are bringing to life the very soul of not one but two franchises about shady middle management types carrying out their superior's' cold, amoral agendas with a series of half truths and omissions that put trusting, naive schmoes through hell. Perfect.
Haha! Are Weiland-Yutani corp types in the KS? I can't recall.
Backer 1: How many Kickstarters for you is this, Prodos?
Prodos: Thirty-eight. Simulated.
Backer 2: How many fulfillments?
Prodos: Uh, two. Including this one.
Backer 3: gak...
Backer 4: Oh-ho, man...
I'm not sure I'm quite ready to have some of the Prodos people locked in a room with a Xenomorph, but I can understand the sentiment!
I saw the game on sale in Firgeforge games (you have to laugh really!) they had several boxes left.
Once I had stopped crying/muttering, I had a close look at all of the unpainted miniatures. Have to say they look fantastic.
Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?
Also, any ideas about decal slogans for the armour of the marines? (Although I'm thinking at that scale it's probably going to take some free-hand attempts..)
Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?
Quite a few people have invested in ark/sulaco and sulaco hive bases from Fenris Games. Othere sare going down the clear acrylic route, and I've seen quite a few making their own with green stuff.
Out of interest, has anyone bought any additional resin bases to mount these minis on?
Quite a few people have invested in ark/sulaco and sulaco hive bases from Fenris Games. Othere sare going down the clear acrylic route, and I've seen quite a few making their own with green stuff.
So Prodos don't have stock to send to backers but are selling the game from their own site.
http://shop.prodosgames.com/en/8-alien-vs-predator Per a facebook post someone ordered it yesterday and it was dispatched today.
Contractual obligations to retailers are one thing but stock they have on hand for their own store should be going to backers first.
In my opinion, the stock from their store to new purchasers is not the whole sin. The greater part of the sin is the time it takes to process and ship those is time not spent fulfilling existing KS orders. I could care less if they had a warehouse stocked to the ceilings with (what should have been the KS exclusive version) box games so stock on hand was not an issue. Even in that case sending us KS backers our copies should take priority well over fulfilling web store orders.
Warehouse burnt down, sorry, no games. We're retireing on the insurance.
Don't be ridiculous. They'll contain the fire before it gets out of the corner of the warehouse reserved for KS backers. The rest of the copies earmarked for other sources will be safe.
Don't be ridiculous. They'll contain the fire before it gets out of the corner of the warehouse reserved for KS backers. The rest of the copies earmarked for other sources will be safe.
I know, I was just riding a dead horse, if you have that saying. If not, I can explain.
By now I'm really oogeling the idea to demand my money back, which was in the runs of roughly 500 GBP. By now I lost interrest in this game.
Yeah, I know, won't get it back.
It was bad enough seeing copies sat their in a local store the other week. Prodos sending copies direct from mail order is another entirely, and not really acceptable when by all accounts there are huge numbers of backers still waiting. Their FB page has got pretty spiky actually looking at it now, you can see why.
I'm a patient person but think this latest development is very, very poor on Prodos' part. As BrookM says, one wonders if they're having a problem with revenue stream and really need the money.
It is really really sad.
I have written them a very sarcastic mail via their contact form and, oh wonders, Michael reacted ...
Blah blah don't have your address (which was on the receipt) and will send out (hold on to your seats) the day we receive these information.
Well, they've gotten that information - again - today, so let's wait and see.
If you actually have to yell at them to get things moving, good luck folks, this company will go crashing more sooner than later.
Ah, so just the usual.
And there I thought, stuff like that would only happen in North Korea, China and Turky ... mh, maybe Prodos is planing dictatorship o the (games) world ...
Well, pals, like that, hardly likely.
Hey come on, you're allowed to get excited about Starcraft Minis!
I won't have any problem with handing over money in one hand while the other hand receives miniatures. The problem for Prodos is obviously when that other hand gives an 'IOU', for whatever reason that might be..
I was going to buy a core set at retail but I'll stick with my prepainted clix for now. I'll still consider getting some of the figs that I don't have like a female predator when they get around to them but my purchases right now are about 1/5 to 1/10 what they would have been had prodos conducted themselves better.
Oh, yeah, there's this gem the Prodos rep posted in the Starcraft mini game thread:
In regarding this product, it's not KS projects, we are not doing any more KS as the business is self sustained with current line of the Products and services the Prodos provides to other companies.
BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.
They got this. No worries folks, they now know how to handle these big corporations.
US and Canadian backers now have to wait until August or September
Hello, here is your AvP:THB update for Friday July 10, 2015
We are looking to increase the number of packages shipping a week, by using a UK based business partner (to be announced) to ship the UK packages, out of the 700 UK backers 300 have already been shipped, once our partner is in place things will speed up, know that we are working on this. Once this partner is in place the Polish facility will be able to focus on other the European and Asian (including Australia) backers. We have already shipped some European backers and the first Australian backers this week.
US backers will have an option to pick-up their AvP board games at Gencon, to be able to pick up your copy at Gencon you must email sales@prodos.co.uk the email must contain your first name, surname and order number, then at pick up you must present an ID with your name on it. All other individual USA and Canadian orders will begin shipping from our US partner (to be announced) following Gencon. All US and Canadian backers will be shipped to backers by September.
September is the reconfigured Retail launch for the USA and Canada. No more boxes will be shipped to US shops before then.
Wave 2 approvals are still pending, but should be sorted out soon.
As always we appreciate your patience and understanding.
Cheers,
Prodos Games LTD
Soon?
But interresting ... so the UK is not part of Europe?
Odd, last time I checked a map, it was.
My numbers estimate, it will take until somewhere around November, until they've shipped base game boxes to all backers.
I know, mini-KS get delayed on a regular basis, but with the exception of one other, this is the worst, when it gets down to being late and the rest of the handling.
That other one won't fulfill and hardly makes a peep, with updates every half a year or so, promising unicorns and the coming of the almighty, the moment he starts fulfillment.
A guy on the FB page posted this picture of a Marine mini, and recipe for the colour scheme. Was looking around for what scheme to go with and this seems like a pretty good start
So once I again I here of more Uk folks getting box sets from FLGS bet not heard of one KS delivery. Anyone would think none had sent to backers so far.
What? You demand to be serviced?
C'mon, where would be the profit in that? They already got our money, more than a year before retail (and hell knows how long before the rest of the stuff comes).
Say, when did the Nostromo launch? Maybe that's the anticipated fullfilment year ...
I just re-read the latest KS message from Prodos and the following got me wondering:
Prodos wrote:September is the reconfigured Retail launch for the USA and Canada. No more boxes will be shipped to US shops before then.
So....
What are the odds that after GENCON, instead of shipping US backers their copies, they realize the retail orders will need to be packed, palleted, and ready to get into the retail distro chain because they will have some contractual obligation to have them to stores by some date. As a result, US backer copies will be even later (once more are printed up).
When backers core boxes get pushed to the back of the queue and retail is widely availible I wonder why collections from FLGS couldn't be arranged. The game doesn't seem to be flying off the shelves either. Probably because anyone interested backed it orgiginally or had plenty of opportunity to preorder a kickstarter copy a year later on Prodos' webstore.
PomWallaby wrote: When backers core boxes get pushed to the back of the queue and retail is widely availible I wonder why collections from FLGS couldn't be arranged. The game doesn't seem to be flying off the shelves either. Probably because anyone interested backed it orgiginally or had plenty of opportunity to preorder a kickstarter copy a year later on Prodos' webstore.
Thats actually a good point. Were a relatively close knit community within the wargaming world, and the bad press the AvP kickstarter will be getting will have been noticed by those not part of the event.
So that will have been going round in peoples perceptions prior to retail launch. So now we have the game released to retail and its not doing massively well, and there is no word of mouth to tell people its a good game etc, that the initial backers would have done with the game if they had originally received it before retail.
I wonder if its all goin wrong for them and we may never see the stuff, i know its a bit doom and gloom, an TBH they are probably fine, but what you see going on and can put together from updates all leaves a poor taste in the mouth
Just about what I said months ago.
Prodos may be good at minis - not so good at tiles and haven't taken a look at their rules by now.
But in understanding their customers, they are just as bad as in communication.
Staying true to your promises is another version of marketing. Right at this moment, the only one with worse marketing is Kim from North Korea.
A little example, using myself: I love Robotech, it's what brought me into anime (please, no ranting that it isn't a true one, because it butchered three shows - I know that) and the english language. I learned mainly by watching stuff like Fun Factory, DJ Cat Show and the like on the available british channels. When I heard of PBsKS it was too late and I considered getting the game later with this and that and whatnot.
But PB has up to this day done everything they could, to prevent me from doing so. No answers to mails, being late and so on and on what you can read in the comments of their KS. Dunno if I'll ever get it (It's unsure, the backers will ever get all their stuff.
Them being late wouldn't have been a concern of mine, hell, I'm waiting for years one of their sourcebooks to get from preorder to available. But as it seems, a lot of companies simply seem to forget, where their money is coming from.
Or in case of Prodos, who's money they already spent.
What's annoying is that they had 95% of the figures ready 6-8 months ago and if they had been better at planning could of bagged them all up ready so that all they needed to do was add small bag 1 and 2 etc to the main box and could off packed 100s a day rather than the poor number they say they are doing
CURNOW wrote: What's annoying is that they had 95% of the figures ready 6-8 months ago and if they had been better at planning could of bagged them all up ready so that all they needed to do was add small bag 1 and 2 etc to the main box and could off packed 100s a day rather than the poor number they say they are doing
That would have made their push to sell the KS exclusive version via retail before sending out Backer pledges even more efficient.
Just received a shipping confirmation ('course, core game boxes only)
The only scary part is, on that confirmation it says 3 shippings - with the other two being left empty ... but if they actually oogle the idea of 3 waves ...
I'll keep you posted, if and when it finaly gets here.
Just received a shipping confirmation ('course, core game boxes only)
The only scary part is, on that confirmation it says 3 shippings - with the other two being left empty ... but if they actually oogle the idea of 3 waves ...
I'll keep you posted, if and when it finaly gets here.
Congrats dude I think your the first backer I've heard of on these forums (or anywhere come to think of it) getting a shipping notification.
If you actually get your stuff, the fanboys will use you as "proof" that Prodos is doing a bang up job of getting those boxes out to backers because, gosh darn it, you're important!
warboss wrote: If you actually get your stuff, the fanboys will use you as "proof" that Prodos is doing a bang up job of getting those boxes out to backers because, gosh darn it, you're important!
They can try, and I'll go all Xeno-Queen on 'em.
I wasn't the most friendly when I wrote them - well, as friendly as sarcasm goes. Told 'em, I'm absolutely stunned and happy, I can buy the game in their online shop but as a backer, I have to wait until what we call in german "Sankt Nimmerleinstag".
I'm disgusted with how I'm being treated as a Kickstarter backer.
I hyped your project during the campaign and brought you in lots of extra backers.
You've lied continuously.
Your now saying that backers must wait for delivery due to production problems while you have 222 copies listed on your webstore ready for delivery today!?
Right now I want my stuff that's ready delivered straight away or a full refund.
you guys are beyond a joke.
disgusted.
Gary Keenan
I've reported them to Kickstarter for keeping the KS page closed via a false IP dispute.
there can be no dispute the product is at retail.
I've also reported them to Kickstarter for not fulfilling pledges while selling at retail.
Please be advised that currently, emails asking for where your order is aren't being responded to. My job is to email retailers about where there orders are and that takes me 8 hours a day near-enough. Now imagine that task x1000 people waiting.
From experience, it's better to communicate openly on the status of all parcels at once, than to individuals. I know it's not the best customer service and I would prefer to call everyone with a daily update, but it's just not realistic right now.
Some are turning to humour now, because really what else there at this point?
Please be advised that currently, emails asking for where your order is aren't being responded to. My job is to email retailers about where there orders are and that takes me 8 hours a day near-enough. Now imagine that task x1000 people waiting.
From experience, it's better to communicate openly on the status of all parcels at once, than to individuals. I know it's not the best customer service and I would prefer to call everyone with a daily update, but it's just not realistic right now.
The catch is that the above requires them to "communicate openly on the status" of ANY kickstarter parcels which apparently they haven't been doing for months.
Yeah, had mine closed as well.
Address yadda yadda.
It's a genius move to reopen the PM, tell everyone but don't tell them, everybody has to close yet again to make sure to receive the goods and then to have an excuse, why they haven't shipped.
Now imagine, if only every 10th backer has reclosed, that leaves a lot of BS reasons the can dish out, why retailers took priority - because PM was still open and it's not their business to let you know of this backer.
Stupid backers, be more money giving and less product demaning - to quote Homer very losely.
Luckily not every company is like that. Remeber those pics with the BattleSystems terrain back in the day? BS is not too far away from fulfilling their second KS within the same time, Prodos took for their single one. Wouldn't wonder, if they complete a fourth, until we have all the stuff we payed for.
And about refunds, remember about a year back: Blah blah blah backer has died (blah on their blah, not the death) we offered refund, but family declined.
So you have to die first, to get your money back. THAT is sad.
Reading that bit about retail comma taking 8 hours is just ridiculous. They even admit it's piss poor customer service. They basically now see KS as last people to supply to. They've used all their KS resin stock to supply retail and their own web store, and screw you guys.
If someone could direct me to where I need to go to complain to KS I would appreciate it, though I realise it won't do anything.
Rick_1138 wrote: If someone could direct me to where I need to go to complain to KS I would appreciate it, though I realise it won't do anything.
Sorry to tell you, but that's an absolute waste of time.
They will respond, with pre-written textblocks telling you, there's nothing they can do.
The only time I ever received a reaction from KS was when they banned me for a week, after I told a ... well, let's say, I told a less than average intelligent person just that and he went crying.
I'm disgusted with how I'm being treated as a Kickstarter backer.
I hyped your project during the campaign and brought you in lots of extra backers.
You've lied continuously.
Your now saying that backers must wait for delivery due to production problems while you have 222 copies listed on your webstore ready for delivery today!?
Right now I want my stuff that's ready delivered straight away or a full refund.
you guys are beyond a joke.
disgusted.
Gary Keenan
I've reported them to Kickstarter for keeping the KS page closed via a false IP dispute.
there can be no dispute the product is at retail.
I've also reported them to Kickstarter for not fulfilling pledges while selling at retail.
Just imagine the basic idea behind that.
They are about a year late and think, anybody waiting that long will actually still add to the long due order.
Makes you wonder, are they really that stupid or do they think their backers are nothing but moneygiving runts.
Sure, some might have jumped at it, but then there are people who open spammails again and again and get viruses on their PCs.
Moses Bad wrote: Just imagine the basic idea behind that.
They are about a year late and think, anybody waiting that long will actually still add to the long due order.
Makes you wonder, are they really that stupid or do they think their backers are nothing but moneygiving runts.
Sure, some might have jumped at it, but then there are people who open spammails again and again and get viruses on their PCs.
If you read the Prodos forums there ARE folks just wanting to pledge MOAR and who still think Prodos can do no wrong.
CptJake wrote: If you read the Prodos forums there ARE folks just wanting to pledge MOAR and who still think Prodos can do no wrong.
OK, maybe I should rephrase that.
They think everybody's so dumb AND only, because they chose to ignore/delete/bann all realistic comments - not even calling them negative.
Maybe they shipped out shrooms to some folks.
We all know what we get ourselves into, when backing a mini-game-KS, but up to this point, only one company I backed is actually worse than Prodos.
I'm hoping that I may at least eventually get the game for this.
Not the worst KS that I have backed (that goes to Foroftten Realms, for which I don't think I will ever get the minis..) but Prodos are making a good effort..
Mine was Drake II
Starter makes a peep every now and then (every six months roughly) gives empty promises which read like "I have not busted the money of one but two successful funded campaigns, please don't sue me".
Unfortunately, I can't.
Moses Bad wrote: Mine was Drake II
Starter makes a peep every now and then (every six months roughly) gives empty promises which read like "I have not busted the money of one but two successful funded campaigns, please don't sue me".
Unfortunately, I can't.
I am very interested in how his visit to the Dragons Den to get funding goes. I can't see the tiniest chance of him getting any funding.
Aeneades wrote: I am very interested in how his visit to the Dragons Den to get funding goes. I can't see the tiniest chance of him getting any funding.
Oh, I think he does have a chance ... like an unattended baby during a zombie outbreak.
Wait, I have to re close their incredibly broken pledge manager again? You're fething kidding! Last time took weeks of putting up with their useless it guy, now I have to do it again?
@ Pacific, thanks! Muchly appreciated! Unfortunately, my work won't let me onto that site, so I'll have to see what shinnanigans are going on when I get home. O_o
They're apparently going to let GenCon attendees pick up copies for friends; if anyone is really itching to get theirs, I'd be happy to pick copies up. Will only cost you shipping.
I probably have room to mule up to 4 additional copies, so if you're interested PM me.
Hi everyone! I'm looking for an AvP:tHB pledge. I will be at Gen Con and can pick it up.
Any of you looking to sell? If so, send me a PM please so we can discuss it.
I will also be demoing at the Ninja Division booth. If you'd like to trade your game for product from the Ninja Division booth, let me know and we can talk.
This is Rumour Control, here are the Facts' for Friday July 17, 2015:
By now, I find this sort of insulting ...
First batch of approval of the second wave has come back to us today.
Alien Queen, Facehuggers, Alien Warriors, Alien Royal Guard, Predalien, Alien Crusher, Power Loader, Colonial Marines Sergeant, Weyland-Yutani Commandos, Sentry Guns, Female Predator, Linn Kurosawa (AvP Arcade), Dutch Schaefer (AvP Arcade), Predator Hellhound, Predator Berserker.
These are the pre-production versions. Production samples will be sent next week in full retail packaging to 20th Century Fox for approval of the models and packaging. The rest of the items have just been sent, at pre-production, for approval too.
How Timey Wimey.
All of Wave 2 will ship to Kickstarter backers before we sell anything to retail. At retail release we will be releasing 1 or 2 items per faction every 2 months or so, so backers will get them all far before retailers have access to them. We think that this is the right way to treat this situation given what has recently happened with the boxed set. We have checked and this is perfectly fine.
Right, haven't we heard this rumour ... sorry ... tune before? Seeing is believing - I haven't seen corebox yet and you can guess the rest.
Prodos Games LTD is proud to announce Ninja Division Publishing LLC as the North American publisher for Alien vs Predator: The Hunt Begins. Alien vs Predator will be joining Ninja Division Publishing’s range of incredibly successful products including: Super Dungeon Explore, Ninja All-Stars, and Relic Knights.
There is also great news for North and South American Kickstarter backers, in that Ninja Division will be handling your Kickstarter shipments. They have kindly agreed to handle the Wave 1 fulfillment of the Alien vs Predator Kickstarter for those territories in one great big push during the month of August. This means that everyone will get their products at roughly the same time, rather than the staggered shipments which would occur with the fulfillment handled by Prodos Games direct. Wave 2 fulfillment is still planned to be shipped by Prodos Games direct, at a later date.
Emphasis on later ... maybe their quota of soon has finaly run out.
Ninja Division Publishing has also allowed a space for Prodos Games on their stand at GenCon 2015! Kickstarter backers can come to the booth to receive their copy of Alien vs Predator directly. We will also be answering questions and showing off some of the fantastic figures from the game. Please be advised that the game will not be available for general purchase. The available copies are only for Kickstarter backers. While we will bring as many copies as we can, the game will be available on a first-come-first-served basis. Any remaining copies at the end of GenCon will be sent back to the Ninja Division Publishing warehouse and shipped to other patiently waiting Kickstarter Backers that could not attend the event.
We are still shipping from Poland to all territories except for North America and South America. These will be handled by Ninja Division as stated previously.
Like ... we can check it out, huh?
We are still negotiating teaming with a UK distributor to get the UK shipments out at a faster rate.
We have increased our output to a guaranteed minimum 120 copies a day, we are in the process of ramping up.
And how many of those are retail and how many are backers? With 120 a day, they should be done in a month ... wait, isn't that like end of next week, according to what they said when they'd start?
This past week, almost our entire KS shipment capacity has been allocated to creating a bulk shipment to Ninja Division to fulfil Kickstarter shipments in North and South America at Gencon and following the event.
You may pick up pledges for your friends at Gencon, as long as you have a printed copy of their pledge manager.
Ah, now I know, why I have a notification and nothing else ...
We are not selling to retailers at the moment for 4-6 weeks, whilst we fulfil KS shipments. Obviously, we have the first batch that we are still working through simultaneously, but we know that taking more orders will be non-conducive to completing the KS in a fast and efficient way.
Because you have already fulfilled the retailers?
We are keen to move forwards in a positive light, we are aware of the issues, complaints and problems with this project so far and we are working to resolve them positively. We would once again like to stress that people are entitled to be upset by some of the actions made and that we hope we can provide support to those people and meet their expectations in the future.
Oh, this is pure comedy. "Positive light", dudes, you are walking in utter darkness. "We are aware" And you don't care, see your handling in the forums or FB or all in all. Wait ... is anybody here upset by some of the actions or almost if not all of them? I know, I'm the latter.
. They can ship in whatever order they like, but to say it was because some high backer number folks complained is foolish because then they'll make some of the low backer number folks upset! (or at least mildly irritated, etc)
