Didn't notice anything too shocking on the mold lines myself. Yeah they're definitely there, but it's not like buying a Catachan infantry box these days *Vietnam flashbacks* I'd say they're a bit worse than some brand new kits, but nothing too crazy if that makes sense.
I'm happy with the box so far, but you can tell GW may have been a little too aggressive with the release date just based on various clues in the box. Especially the codex. Few, if any, of the new models have pictures to show them off. Would explain it being monopose models. I'm guessing they looked at what they wanted to stick in the box, realized some of the kits wouldn't be ready in time, and decided better to have something then nothing. Also, it's annoying the canoness datasheet gives the limited model an illegal loadout, unless the rod is just for show, which I worry it is knowing GW.
I am excited to give it a try, unfortunately the contents of the box don't really let you do more than ally in a small patrol in a 500-1000 pt game at the moment so I won't be able to do much.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Pistols list
Bolt Pistol, Hand Flamer, Plasma Pistol, Inferno Pistol.
Canons can’t take Hand Flamer.
While I could be mistaken, I don't think they ever could in recent codex's. If they could, it was probably when they could still take jumppacks and eviscerators. I still miss giving my Seriphim Superior an Evicisator.
Well, here's my lightning conversion of a Mortifier/Anchorite and Zephyrim squad
Oh and swapped some heads for more traditional looking ones, since I've always hated the helmets.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Argh. Part B50, why do you exist? Other than to fly off into a corner, of course.
There's a much worse part than that in the set.
Very serious warning: do NOT under any circumstances clip part B27 off the sprue from behind - you WILL accidentally cut through the hanging Inquisitorial seal thingy, since when viewing the piece from the back the required cutting point appears to be higher than it actually is.
As for B27… I have to say that barely fazed me. But I’m weird; I clip the part off at the runner then clip the gate off the part one ever it’s detached from the sprue.
Correct! I expected they would be a bad match for the upcoming real thing but then I saw the genuine Mortifier and yikes the actual flails are extremely similar
BrianDavion wrote: So anyone else noticed that the cannoness on the back of the box doesn't martch the one they give us?
Yeah, I noticed that. Saw the box picture last week and thought the same thing.
I was looking through the codex carefully and they had a picture of EACH canoness.
It's possiable, even likely the canonness in the box set won't be avaliable, at least not right awayaltrhough it's on it;'s own sprue so if so it seems an odd choice given they could have used the resources to make a new type of SoBHQ. could be though they're releasing both and doing it so that people who run two canonesses aren't all running multiple monopose HQ models.
So. 6 sisters. 18 HP. That's 3HP for each Sisters. Not too bad!
If we can use pins or magnet to keep the relics holders in place, it can be an awesome way to remember which relics are active!!
...I prefer the limited Repentia leader to this one. still don't care for the Repentia either.
now that ToSK on the other hand, is incredibly detailed. ive already picked out 3 of the 5 relics. my favorite things about this model are the Serene general air instead of more screaming, which i feel should have been a bigger things with this model passover, and the individual sisters models on this base.
I really like the hooded cloaks and candle design to most of them, but that one sister leading the charge is quite frankly the exact thing i wanted out of this release. not raging but focused, with that shield and posture!
makes me wish they had made a more generic sister melee unit WITH a shield like i was hoping they would allow.
Still not feeling the effectiveness of such a model as of yet though. it's about as big as i expected around, akin to that image they showed off sometime ago. did not expect the extra height from how many cherubs they added to the thing though, and really not partial about cherubs in general.
I got my set and I took some Comparison pictures for a client and thought I'd share for the curious.
Spoiler:
I'm happy with them, no problems putting them together but a few little gaps that'll need some varnish and parts might be difficult to get paint to, but we'll see.
That ToSK is gorgeous!
My old sisters will look like midget next to them. Except no rule difference, unlike what marines got.
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This is what they should have done instead of the primaris thing :(.
I am pleasantly surprised with ToSK. Definitely going to be removing the 3 top cherubs, but very pleased with it otherwise. Already planing on how to magnetize the sisters on it for wound/relic tracking purposes. What size base it that anyway?
Repentia definitely look better with paint on them. Still not a big fan of the actual outfits, but getting used to them. Anyhow beats the former S&M gear look as far as I'm concerned.
Now that we see them all coloured-in, I'm somewhat less of a fan of the power armour ports. Will probably paint them very differently or shave them off; the issue is that they now distract from the other metal bits like the pins and pointed bands embedded in their flesh.
Speaking of which, were people asking for some more painful looking pins and things? New kit certainly got you covered - also for some more classic-looking hoods.
The Triumph looks better every time I glance at it. The heavy robes of the surrounding figures, the calmness of the whole procession, the gear on the leader.. great kit. Yes, the first thought in my mind was "by the Emperor, how is anybody going to transport that thing with those fragile cherubs floating around", but in this particular case they really do add to the scene, making it much more impressive, and more support structures (or flight stands) just wouldn't look as good.
Glad they kept the figures relatively close together to keep the whole thing a reasonably sensible size at least.
Depending on the price, I might be tempted to pick it up and use the pieces for all kinds of other things. Make the attendants into characters (love the look of those heavy robes), make the leader into a fighty Canoness and keep the rest for scenery/objective markers/maybe even to put on top of a tank, because why not, if they can put stained glass windows up there, this is nothing.
I like the Triumph. I might actually have to get two, one for the Triumph itself and another for the future Inquisitor that's hiding in the procession.
Geifer wrote: I like the Triumph. I might actually have to get two, one for the Triumph itself and another for the future Inquisitor that's hiding in the procession.
I think all of the sisters on it could be used for additional poses of battleline Sororitas.
This is a fosho purchase for myself. The conversion possibilities of this, the pulpit and whatever the terrain ends up to be seem limitless.
1x Heavy Flamer
1x Heavy Bolter
4x Meltaguns
4x Flamers
Between 2x and 4x Storm Bolters (I think...)
Sprue has all 10 Sisters on their, and their poses appear to be very set in stone.
Interesting. I think I'm counting 31 or 32 heads.
Obviously there are 17 on the third sprue, 7 on the second (4 grouped and 3 more individually), and 7 or 8 on the first (2 pair on the lower half with a fifth below, 2 pair about in the middle of the upper half and maybe an 8th to the right of the reliquary, but I'm not 100% on that last one)
Most of the ones on the third sprue are helmets.
H.B.M.C. wrote: There are many helms because Celestians get fancy helmets.
Well, that's an interesting thing, as there may well not be enough helmeted heads for both.
I'm reasonably sure all 17 on sprue three are helmets. I'm not so sure that _any_ of the other 14-15 heads have helmets.
2 of the heads on sprue two might be, but they also might just be full views of the hair, with no face showing.
If so, i guess you could use a 'celestian' head as the sister superior for a battle squad, but if not, you've got a couple models with extra (or lacking) iconography, or no helmets.
I actually rather liked the S and M repentia, these new kits being plastic is cool but not nearly as dear to me. However I do play DE so that may explain my love of the old models..
1x Heavy Flamer
1x Heavy Bolter
4x Meltaguns
4x Flamers
Between 2x and 4x Storm Bolters (I think...)
I think I’ve identified the missing storm bolter parts, at least partially by eliminating regular bolter parts; let me know if you think I missed or misidentified anything:
That's very helpful... for anyone who isn't colour blind.
I have great difficulty telling the difference between the colour you've chosen for bolters and the colour you've chosen for Storm Bolters. Everything else I can work out on my own.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's very helpful... for anyone who isn't colour blind.
I have great difficulty telling the difference between the colour you've chosen for bolters and the colour you've chosen for Storm Bolters. Everything else I can work out on my own.
Galas wrote: Is this the most densely special weapon packed kit out there? Maybe only the devastator kit can compare.
This is how you do it, GW! Feth the chaos terminator kit.
A closer match would be the sternguard kit, which, IIRC, has 2 of each combi AND special. Plus a HB and a HF for a 5 man box. Of course, it’s $50 for 5 guys.
I was honestly expecting 2 of each special in the basic troop box, and only one heavy. If you wanted more/different heavies, the retributior box would have them (like if you want non-ML options for your tac squads) and if you wanted to spam specials, just buy more boxes.
Pleasantly surprised by the contents of the sprues.
it's defiantly a good kit. I could find some stuff about this release I could complain about if I wanted to, such as sisters really need another SoBHQ choice that we didn't get etc. but by and alrge I feel they've done right by sisters with this release
The Sisters kit is looking great, plenty of options!
I'm happy with the minis but the scale is really strange, some are even as tall as a Primaris
What do people think of the colour schemes? I'm struggling to pick one.
Personally I really like the Valorous Heart rules but the Ebon Chalice looks great, as do the other minor orders.
As usual I can't decide!
After Ravenwing, Raven Guard and Deathwatch, I know what colour I'm not doing (even though I also feel Ebon Chalice looks great). Sacred Rose looks good too, but so much white. I may go custom.
warspawned wrote: What do people think of the colour schemes? I'm struggling to pick one.
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Whichever you choose, I suspect you'll want more than one. I'm on my third in a series of coordinating schemes, one the reverse of the other, and it gives me the flexibility to deploy multiple Orders (plus I'm sick of painting white!). I'll probably end up painting these new plastics in a few schemes to fill out the ranks of my various Battalions.
warspawned wrote: What do people think of the colour schemes? I'm struggling to pick one.
Personally I really like the Valorous Heart rules but the Ebon Chalice looks great, as do the other minor orders.
As usual I can't decide!
Planning a custom Order, but might make them partially similar to whatever Order they have descended from and use those rules. Will have to take a closer look at the rules, background and existing colour schemes once my book/box arrives. Couldn't care less about the in-game benefits of the Order in question - rules change from one edition or FAQ to the next, while I will have to look at those figures and paint those colours for many years to come!
Leaning towards Ebon Chalice too both for the colours and background, but thinking of having the habit entirely white, then maybe a dark red for the hair. Gold trim on the black armour, just because it looks real fancy. Also planning something pretty heretical for the background, inspired by the Cathars. Still, it will be a while before the Order of the Pure Flame can be found on any gaming tables.
Noticed that they’ve snuck in some nice cr new snippets of fluff relating to psychic awakening ,
Spoiler:
like the planet where the citizens faith manifested as the ability to project fire - very reminiscent of Keeler from the Heresy era - and the minor order that seems to be reborn every time it’s eiped out
I like the deep red and bone drapes (wounded hearts). But it isn't the colours I'm going for. I also like the Order of the Thorn a lot as coloured there.
But I'm thinking of a custom colour scheme, thinking something like striking scorpion green but with white helmets. Bone coloured drapes.
I went with bone white and Warpstone rather than Scorpion, but I've built 3500 points of Sisters with various combos of green, white, and gold... see the link in my sig if you want. Now that there are so many worthwhile Order Convictions to use interchangeably, I'm glad to have gone with an original scheme and nonspecific order.
The Order of the Dauntless Heart have always worn cream robes lined with scarlet, with purple weapon casings, but after the advent of the Great Rift split the Order’s parish in half, the survivors in both halves, each fearing the other half lost to the rift and out of contact, have each independently changed their armour to ashen grey in mourning.
Still they endure, however, carrying on their work in stoic silence, refusing to seek additional aid for to cry for help would defame the memory of the six Companions of St. Lucia who silently endured torture to ease the saint’s own suffering, whose memory and sacrifice the Order was created to honour.
I'm liking the scheme talk so far - anyone who paints their minis Scorpion Green deserves a big thumbs up from me
I typically paint 'canon' schemes as I usually paint for others or my store these days.
Either that or I love the background and go from there - plus I don't have to think too much and can get straight to painting.
If I try a scheme of my own I usually fail - either colour choice is off or my technique to get there is all shot. I don't know why So that normally leaves canon schemes or a piece of art/other people's schemes I tweak accordingly.
I'm interested to see what people come up with over the coming months for sure.
MacPhail wrote: I went with bone white and Warpstone rather than Scorpion, but I've built 3500 points of Sisters with various combos of green, white, and gold... see the link in my sig if you want. Now that there are so many worthwhile Order Convictions to use interchangeably, I'm glad to have gone with an original scheme and nonspecific order.
Purple and Gold Sisters Order...inspired in perfection? Great for Advent and the fact I have 60+ painted loyalist Emperors Children...but I’ll stick to the Bloodied Rose.
Well the Rebributor box is coming, so maybe that box'll be as generous as this and give us x4 HB, x4 MM and x4 HF (Retributors can get Heavy Flamers, right?).
Built and painted 5 Battle Sisters and built the Mistress Repentia and 2 of her charges. Not terrible to put together, but I did miss a couple of mold lines during assembly. Went with an original colour scheme, white armour, sky blue robes and purple weapons and trim. Came out a bit Elsa from Frozen before adding all the metallics, but very happy with it. Gonna keep the same colours across the army I think but change the layout a bit on some units.
Only intended to get a small allied detachment of Sisters but definitely going to get the St Katherine band and a few other things.
Not sure which Order I'm going to paint mine either. My metal ones are Martyred Lady, but I don't like to mix sculpts that are so different in proportion. I'm thinking Wounded Heart or one of the silver ones. It'll be a while until I can undercoat them anyway, so I'll keep thinking on it.
Quick question for all ye pre-orders customers.
Did GW contact ye and say they were canceling the order with the book because they messed up!
Now their telling me dont worry the army box will be still sent out.
But the order is now gone off my account and no new order.
I have no idea when I will get the boxset. If ever!
First time I actually made one of these pre-orders and this crap happens,
tirnaog wrote: Quick question for all ye pre-orders customers.
Did GW contact ye and say they were canceling the order with the book because they messed up!
Now their telling me dont worry the army box will be still sent out.
But the order is now gone off my account and no new order.
I have no idea when I will get the boxset. If ever!
First time I actually made one of these pre-orders and this crap happens,
Bah!
I wish I even knew. My order is still sitting on:
Estimated delivery date: Pending
Shipment information sent to FedEx
tirnaog wrote: Quick question for all ye pre-orders customers.
Did GW contact ye and say they were canceling the order with the book because they messed up!
Now their telling me dont worry the army box will be still sent out.
But the order is now gone off my account and no new order.
I have no idea when I will get the boxset. If ever!
First time I actually made one of these pre-orders and this crap happens,
Bah!
Nope I just had the initial confirmation and then it arrived, day after I got "its shipping" notice but thats fairly normal
tirnaog wrote: Quick question for all ye pre-orders customers.
Did GW contact ye and say they were canceling the order with the book because they messed up!
Now their telling me dont worry the army box will be still sent out.
But the order is now gone off my account and no new order.
I have no idea when I will get the boxset. If ever!
First time I actually made one of these pre-orders and this crap happens,
Bah!
I wish I even knew. My order is still sitting on:
Estimated delivery date: Pending
Shipment information sent to FedEx
Same here...information sent to FedEx as of last Wednesday...but no movement of the box. Usually I get GW items in about 3 days here in Texas...
BrianDavion wrote:among the majorious orders there's so many black armor schemes... :(
thats one thing I'll give Marines, even if you go with just the 1st founding chapters there's a lot of variation in colour.
That was kind of the point though. Marines were flamboyant, prideful and individualistic, even during the 1st Founding. by contrast, Sisters were austere, reserved and plain. At least originally. Their ornamentation was minimal (for a 40K force), and their look was more severe, uniform and subdued, focusing on simple black, white and red color combinations. The more elaborate iconography and flamboyant decorations were left to the Ministorum units like the missionaries and Confessors. The church was decadent and rich. The sisters were plain and pious. Of course that all changed with the Witch Hunters codex.
BrianDavion wrote:among the majorious orders there's so many black armor schemes... :(
thats one thing I'll give Marines, even if you go with just the 1st founding chapters there's a lot of variation in colour.
That was kind of the point though. Marines were flamboyant, prideful and individualistic, even during the 1st Founding. by contrast, Sisters were austere, reserved and plain. At least originally. Their ornamentation was minimal (for a 40K force), and their look was more severe, uniform and subdued, focusing on simple black, white and red color combinations. The more elaborate iconography and flamboyant decorations were left to the Ministorum units like the missionaries and Confessors. The church was decadent and rich. The sisters were plain and pious. Of course that all changed with the Witch Hunters codex.
yea that said I think you'd wanna try and keep their armor within catholic colour theory (I linked an article earlier) and it's worth noting MOST canon orders do so.
when one looks at what the colours mean it's no wonder black, white and red are so pre-dominant (in hereldric tradtion silver = white so the argent shroud are, from a heledric POV in white armor)
Finally got an update to my order. So glad it's expected to be delivered only a week late. Games Workshop keeping pace with it's normal behavior I see.
mmzero252 wrote: Finally got an update to my order. So glad it's expected to be delivered only a week late. Games Workshop keeping pace with it's normal behavior I see.
My tracking number is finally active, and I should see it on Friday. Just as well, its been a busy couple of weeks...
Racerguy180 wrote: So far I've built the Canoness, Repentia Superior, Seraphim Superior & the Penitent engine. Lots of cool detail to paint.
WtF? That's a ton of spare sets. My FLGS didn't have diddly. Been SOL. Man that's some distribution crap for ya.
Maybe your FLGS didn't anticipate a lot of demand and didn't order a lot.
I mean, this is a model line that has been functionally extinct for over fifteen years.
Or,could be the opposite. Nobody at his store wanted them.
they got 30 in total and 15 of them were preorders. Other than myself the only people that bought the set were those that wanted the "special" codex. Everyone else that currently plays Sororitas is just waiting for the regular codex.
Racerguy180 wrote: So far I've built the Canoness, Repentia Superior, Seraphim Superior & the Penitent engine. Lots of cool detail to paint.
WtF? That's a ton of spare sets. My FLGS didn't have diddly. Been SOL. Man that's some distribution crap for ya.
Maybe your FLGS didn't anticipate a lot of demand and didn't order a lot.
I mean, this is a model line that has been functionally extinct for over fifteen years.
Or,could be the opposite. Nobody at his store wanted them.
they got 30 in total and 15 of them were preorders. Other than myself the only people that bought the set were those that wanted the "special" codex. Everyone else that currently plays Sororitas is just waiting for the regular codex.
Yeah, besides the "pre-orders" our FLGS got 10, all sold the day of.
my FLGS got 4 boxes in, they all sold within 10 minutes (the first 3 sold out within the time it took me and to other guys to grab the bx and get it rung through the cash register)
though it did vary, I heard one story that a guy in Onterio waited in front of his local GW from 6 am, only to be the only person to show up for a sisters box
warspawned wrote: I got my set and I took some Comparison pictures for a client and thought I'd share for the curious.
Spoiler:
I'm happy with them, no problems putting them together but a few little gaps that'll need some varnish and parts might be difficult to get paint to, but we'll see.
That ToSK is gorgeous!
That sucks. It's the same thing that kept me out of Necromunda's rerelease. The size creep is disappointing.
warspawned wrote: I got my set and I took some Comparison pictures for a client and thought I'd share for the curious.
Spoiler:
I'm happy with them, no problems putting them together but a few little gaps that'll need some varnish and parts might be difficult to get paint to, but we'll see.
That ToSK is gorgeous!
That sucks. It's the same thing that kept me out of Necromunda's rerelease. The size creep is disappointing.
a bit of a size creap is to be expected given the age of the old sisters minis I guess.
The sister looks a lot more human scale than heroic scale in that comparison. Longer shins and torso, smaller head and hands, and smaller bolter, though Astartes equipment is meant to be oversized compared to mortal versions.
GW has learned that heroic proportionet female figures look like crap, so thats why most female models have much more realistic proportions than the male ones.
And thats why normally I prefer them. For example, Stormcasts.
Ah...size creep.
Soon everything GW make will match the Primaris marines, then the Primaris will have to become super Primaris and the cycle goes round again.
So no longer are we just re-buying rules every few years, but the figures as well.
I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.
marke wrote: I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.
I dunno, sometimes it can be a nice bit of detail. I noticed the sister with a flamer has a charred corpse at her feet. I approve
that said that type of stuff need to ALWAYS be optional with a way of building it without having that. when the model requires said detail to stand up on the stand, that is annoying.
marke wrote: I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.
I'm gonna disagree with you on the sculpted flame/smoke. The Dark Apostle, Adrax Agatone & the infiltrator with smoke grenade are some of the best looking they've ever done. the new Sororitas models continue this trend.
Galas wrote: GW has learned that heroic proportionet female figures look like crap, so thats why most female models have much more realistic proportions than the male ones.
And thats why normally I prefer them. For example, Stormcasts.
I can get behind this reasoning. I've painted a Lord Castellant because it's a great model due to composition and some stylistic choices, but as someone who prefers realistic proportions I'm much more of a fan of the female Sigmarine my Knight Questor conversion is based on. The difference is like night and day. They both follow the same armor design, but the female one is much more appealing to me as it sticks closer to actual human anatomy.
It's still all horribly heroically proportioned because that's just GW's chosen style, but it's good to have model lines where it's less pronounced for people like me.
If anything good came of letting us wait this long, it's that GW has figured out human and female anatomy in time for plastic Sisters.
Now they only have to do that for Terminators and I'll have everything I could ask for.
Except plastic Flayed Ones...
marke wrote: I'm really glad GW increased the size of marines. They look better as do the new sisters. Now they only need to stop making everything look like a christmas tree and stop adding those useless excessive details.. especially the sculpted effects like flames, smoke, spell effects etc. They're just ugly.
I'm inclined to say that Primaris look better because of better proportions, and increased size is a positive side effect of that.
SIsters getting bigger was never in doubt. GW screwed up with plastic Cadians (whether by accident or design) and they've taken that as the basis for human size ever since. With the caveat that GW sucks at sticking to one scale, which makes things a little more complicated than that. But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.
With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.
As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.
Geifer wrote: [q But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.
Except now the primaris are sized to 8 foot custodians. So for 7 feet marine fail. But then again fluff doesn't try to pass primaris as 7 foot warriors.
Geifer wrote: [q But there was no doubt that if the seven foot Marine was ever to be portrayed correctly, Marines would need to get bigger. That's the one thing Primaris actually got right.
Except now the primaris are sized to 8 foot custodians. So for 7 feet marine fail. But then again fluff doesn't try to pass primaris as 7 foot warriors.
True, but that's a problem of selling us Primaris Marines as their own thing instead of resized Marines for whatever reason. It's dumb and inconsistent, which is probably why GW chose to do it, but whatever.
You don't need to drag Custodes into it either. Humans are 6ft tall, Marines are 7ft tall, Primaris are 8ft tall. Give or take, as per the background. Yet modelwise, Marines are incorrectly as tall as humans, Primaris are scaled correctly to Marines but not to humans, and Primaris are scaled to humans as regular Marines should be. All the while humans aren't going anywhere while Marines have no future and yet Primaris size references and tries to be different from both.
I can't wait for the time when old Marines get dropped and the farce that is the Primaris and old Marine background is silently swept under the rug and we only have one variety of Marine again. Then Primaris models will be correctly scaled to normal humans and the only thing you have to worry about is why your super duper Custodes are midgets.
With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.
As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.
Smoke effects belong in the trash, though.
I bet the Ecclesiarchy does control for troops, looking for the best of the best overall. gotta be able to work with the armor and equipment and all. plus with the fact a lot of the worship in the imperium has to do with the human form as i understand it, it makes sense to me. that said i am not convinced with this scale, nor am i happy with the overall larger scale.
that said, the "bling" is getting way to much for me, in several different ways. most of the sisters vehicles for example id likely remove a sizable number of the bits. to another extent, i don't like built in dynamic posing. i prefer my models standing, more "at rest" instead of bounding off rocks, pillars and such. those things bug me.
Galas wrote: GW has learned that heroic proportionet female figures look like crap, so thats why most female models have much more realistic proportions than the male ones.
And thats why normally I prefer them. For example, Stormcasts.
Stormcasts would look substantially better if the majority of them had the proportions of the female ones.
With Sisters I'm not convinced that they fit the established human size. I've not had the time to assemble any of my new ones and only have the Sister Superior we got in summer to go on, but GW either screwed up or they want Sisters to fall between average humans and Primaris, maybe because the Ecclesiarchy can pick whom to recruit and they have a minimum size requirement for their armed forces to look properly impressive or something. But they do seem to be taller than normal humans.
As for bling, I think GW was on to something when they made 3rd ed and 4th ed Marines that started out plain but had blingy bits you could add if that's your thing. Even though there's a design compromise in there, it's a good way to satisfy both sides. Sadly GW doesn't seem to do that anymore to a noticeable extent. I'm happy with the decorations Sisters infantry have, but I'm sure that if they had wanted to, it would have been possible to add separate backpack braziers and purity seals and stuff to let people customize their models as they see fit.
Smoke effects belong in the trash, though.
I bet the Ecclesiarchy does control for troops, looking for the best of the best overall. gotta be able to work with the armor and equipment and all. plus with the fact a lot of the worship in the imperium has to do with the human form as i understand it, it makes sense to me. that said i am not convinced with this scale, nor am i happy with the overall larger scale.
that said, the "bling" is getting way to much for me, in several different ways. most of the sisters vehicles for example id likely remove a sizable number of the bits. to another extent, i don't like built in dynamic posing. i prefer my models standing, more "at rest" instead of bounding off rocks, pillars and such. those things bug me.
well the stuff in the starter box is monopose and those tend to have the bling build on, so we'll have to see what the full kti is like.
Well, they seem smaller enough to look decent side by side...
I guess, but the scale still is fethed (again.) If the Marine is only seven feet tall (like normal marines) the Sister would be about six and half feet. That is pretty damn even for a tall woman. And of course if the marine is eight feet tall (I still haven't seen proper source for the Primaris being this tall) then the Sister is over seven feet tall...
Galas wrote: Can someone compare a modern sistern to a skitarii or a genestealer cultists? The modern GW normal human scale.
But maybe new sisters of battle are in Greyfax scale.
They're maybe half a head to a head taller than GSC neophytes, it's hard to say exactly since most GSC are hunched. They don't look out of place, but they're definitely bigger.
is it just the angle or is the SOB taller then the repenta? if so then the explination is simply that power armor, for whatever reason, adds some height
Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?
One can hope!
AFAIK not a single FW model is on the legends file, only GW models who did not go into codcies.
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?
One can hope!
AFAIK not a single FW model is on the legends file, only GW models who did not go into codcies.
So, this means nothing
Even in That case it means something. Specifically that it will stay tournament legal(and with that generally legal) and ergo conversions are safe to do.
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?
it'd be nice but I doubt it, has FW released any models for 40k (specificly not HH models that can also be used with 40k) in the last year or two? FW seems to be focusing entirely on specialsit games these days
SIsters getting bigger was never in doubt. GW screwed up with plastic Cadians (whether by accident or design) and they've taken that as the basis for human size ever since. With the caveat that GW sucks at sticking to one scale, which makes things a little more complicated than that.
Even in a single kit. Some of the Cadian arms have delicate feminine hands, others look like they're earing oven mitts... The pointing hand is especially egregious.
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?
it'd be nice but I doubt it, has FW released any models for 40k (specificly not HH models that can also be used with 40k) in the last year or two? FW seems to be focusing entirely on specialsit games these days
Seeing it would be rereleasing previously done kit seems fairly low effort to grab some money when customei base increases suddenly.
Well one can hope. If not then at least one can safely convert one without woirying how often you get to use it
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?
it'd be nice but I doubt it, has FW released any models for 40k (specificly not HH models that can also be used with 40k) in the last year or two? FW seems to be focusing entirely on specialsit games these days
Seeing it would be rereleasing previously done kit seems fairly low effort to grab some money when customei base increases suddenly.
Well one can hope. If not then at least one can safely convert one without woirying how often you get to use it
Redoing mold isn't that expensive for resin. Didn't make much sense before with not many sister players(most either already owning one or not buying anyway) but with codex and plastic release pool of people to sell will grow exponentially.
No quarantee but as same guys are doing fw and gw rules seems odd they would treat them differentely for legends. And if they were planning to rerelease now with codex is pretty much most logical time.
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
My theory is fw rereleasing with codex. If they are rereleasing that's the most logical time. If not why not in legends?
Twoshoes23 wrote: Anyone else notice how the Repressor was included in the Chapter Approved via points and NOT in the Sororitas section of the new Warhammer Legends website? Good news for the future of repressing maybe?
plastic repressor in a year as the sisters first post codex release?
One can hope!
AFAIK not a single FW model is on the legends file, only GW models who did not go into codcies.
So, this means nothing
Even in That case it means something. Specifically that it will stay tournament legal(and with that generally legal) and ergo conversions are safe to do.
Actually, not.
With legends being a thing now, and (I think) all armies getting codecies out-how long is it until indcies are no longer welcomed in tournaments?
Not long I reckon.
And you got to remember that a LARGE swat of FW, including the represor, have never been updated beyond index status.
Actually, not.
With legends being a thing now, and (I think) all armies getting codecies out-how long is it until indcies are no longer welcomed in tournaments?
Not long I reckon.
And you got to remember that a LARGE swat of FW, including the represor, have never been updated beyond index status.
Well lucky that repressors aren't in the indexes GW has phased out but on their separate book. Whole FW line won't get invalidated nor did they here. Stuff in legends series will get out of tournament use. FW kits not.
Repressor is safe. Maybe one day if GW decides to do new books for FW kits that changes but so far all quiet on that front. With lead times as it is seeing new book with sister FW kits is like year or two away EARLIEST.
tneva82 wrote: Redoing mold isn't that expensive for resin. Didn't make much sense before with not many sister players
Except the Repressor has been in demand for years. Previous to GW's announcement of the return of Sisters the availability of the Repressor was probably the number one topic in most places where Sisters were discussed. (Was it still available? does anyone have one to sell? How do you convert it? What are good alternate models?). It regularly sells on ebay very fast (I don't think I've seen one in years that made it through its auction without a bid). There were even several makers who offered their own versions for sale (or as a free printable file). So really, anytime in the last 10 years would have been a great time for FW to re-release the model.
And its not as if FW has a problem doing super short run models. Some FW releases have a lifetime run thats ridiculously small. I don't know how often FW replaces their models, but other resin casting companies I've worked with have replaced theirs as often as every 50 models.
I'm guessing that the reason its gone out of print is that they no longer have the master. The master was either lost, broken or is enough poor enough shape that it can't really be used anymore. Apparently that happens quite a bit (I believe thats one of the reasons a lot of the FW Imperial Guard stuff was retired). Very likely creating a new original isn't a huge priority, even if it would be profitable.
It might be in demand by sister players but how much did sisters sell during that time? GW has sales numbers. If there's loud, loyal but small group that's not much of a potential.
Are you really claiming new codex and plastic models isn't likely to result in not that insignificant boost to sister players?
And if master is gone then yeah that would be bit of issue but even then it reinforces idea that NOW would be logical time to redo it if they ever were. There's going to be boost in demand soon for it.
Now of course it's possible they have no intention to rerelease but then why not put them in legends? Same guys who did legends are also responsible for FW model rules so they had authority to do. Seems odd to have repressor be special excemption.
jake wrote: I'm guessing that the reason its gone out of print is that they no longer have the master. The master was either lost, broken or is enough poor enough shape that it can't really be used anymore. Apparently that happens quite a bit (I believe thats one of the reasons a lot of the FW Imperial Guard stuff was retired). Very likely creating a new original isn't a huge priority, even if it would be profitable.
Even if so, this just begs the question why they won't have a guy spend 1-2 hours recreating it in CAD. It was literally a resin box + cylinder with some details, something so simple even amateur would be able to do it. The only any sensible reason would be if they wanted changing it to be upgrade for new Sister Rhino, but it seems to be so similar to old one there is no reason why it wouldn't fit both...
SIsters getting bigger was never in doubt. GW screwed up with plastic Cadians (whether by accident or design) and they've taken that as the basis for human size ever since. With the caveat that GW sucks at sticking to one scale, which makes things a little more complicated than that.
Even in a single kit. Some of the Cadian arms have delicate feminine hands, others look like they're earing oven mitts... The pointing hand is especially egregious.
GW has weird conventions, too. They can and do make pretty delicate boots, but once they make bare feet, they're humongous.
On that note, I can't make it out from the picture above, but I have to wonder if the new buff Repentia fit inside the new power armor. Catachans certainly had more impressive biceps that Marines could have ever hoped for, if you know what I mean.
I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
The proper term for miniatures is literally Scale Models. Thats why Scale is important.
Scale makes our armies and battles feel right. Thats why mixing 20mm scale miniatures with 32mm scale miniatures feels wrong and looks butt ugly.
tneva82 wrote: It might be in demand by sister players but how much did sisters sell during that time? GW has sales numbers. If there's loud, loyal but small group that's not much of a potential.
Are you really claiming new codex and plastic models isn't likely to result in not that insignificant boost to sister players?
And if master is gone then yeah that would be bit of issue but even then it reinforces idea that NOW would be logical time to redo it if they ever were. There's going to be boost in demand soon for it.
Now of course it's possible they have no intention to rerelease but then why not put them in legends? Same guys who did legends are also responsible for FW model rules so they had authority to do. Seems odd to have repressor be special excemption.
Loud, loyal, and small is what FW is built on.
Why else would you shell that much money for their kits? They're exorbitantly expensive. They're resin, so they're a nightmare and a half to work with. They're often available only one place, so you never even deal with store margins for third party sellers.
This is what they do, yet for whatever reason they aren't supporting the Repressor.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Pretty sure marines stayed the same. None of the current kits grew overnight or anything...
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Pretty sure marines stayed the same. None of the current kits grew overnight or anything...
Obviously older kits haven't changed. But Deathwatch Veterans, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Primaris, new Chaos Marines, the Heroes series, are all noticeably taller than what came before.
Lord Damocles wrote: Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
They havent. The first part of your statement is alright, but "to be more in scale"? That's just, like, your opinion man! I think GW made them bigger because they think it looks cooler, don't care about scale at all.
Lord Damocles wrote: Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
They havent. The first part of your statement is alright, but "to be more in scale"? That's just, like, your opinion man! I think GW made them bigger because they think it looks cooler, don't care about scale at all.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Pretty sure marines stayed the same. None of the current kits grew overnight or anything...
Obviously older kits haven't changed. But Deathwatch Veterans, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, Primaris, new Chaos Marines, the Heroes series, are all noticeably taller than what came before.
Ah. So by 'just grown' you mean the gradual change that started back at the 6th edition starter box?
And I'm still not sure why you're including primaris in there, since they're supposed to be (and are) taller than marines.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Except also growing head taller in fluff. Primaris aren't in scale marines. They are in scale primaris that are taller than marines.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Except also growing head taller in fluff. Primaris aren't in scale marines. They are in scale primaris that are taller than marines.
Citation needed for them being head taller in the fluff. In thew art they're depicted almost the same size, the Primaris being only a tiny bit taller.
Hollow wrote: I always find the scaling debate regarding GW miniatures to be utterly ridiculous. Nothing is in scale or makes sense and it's not really meant to. It's a cartoonish OTT representation of a cartoonish OTT idea.
Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
Pretty sure marines stayed the same. None of the current kits grew overnight or anything...
Yup, totally the same:
And the Deathwatch/Thousand Sons are even taller than these termies...
tneva82 wrote:It might be in demand by sister players but how much did sisters sell during that time? GW has sales numbers. If there's loud, loyal but small group that's not much of a potential.
Are you really claiming new codex and plastic models isn't likely to result in not that insignificant boost to sister players?
And if master is gone then yeah that would be bit of issue but even then it reinforces idea that NOW would be logical time to redo it if they ever were. There's going to be boost in demand soon for it.
As was already pointed out, FW's target customer base is "loud, loyal but small". According to FW themsleves a LOT of FW kits never sell very man copies, so its not as if the potential to ONLY sell a few hundred Repressors to an established fanabse that was begging for them and eagerly buying both used and bootleg models wouldn't be worthwhile. I think its much more likely that they simply didn't have the manpower, and wanted to spend their time on new things.
And no, I'm not claiming that "new codex and plastic models isn't likely to result in not that insignificant boost to sister players?." Where did yo even get that idea? Ro was that response for someone else?
I do agree that now would be the perfect time to redo the master (if it was indeed missing or destroyed).
Irbis wrote:
jake wrote: I'm guessing that the reason its gone out of print is that they no longer have the master. The master was either lost, broken or is enough poor enough shape that it can't really be used anymore. Apparently that happens quite a bit (I believe thats one of the reasons a lot of the FW Imperial Guard stuff was retired). Very likely creating a new original isn't a huge priority, even if it would be profitable.
Even if so, this just begs the question why they won't have a guy spend 1-2 hours recreating it in CAD. It was literally a resin box + cylinder with some details, something so simple even amateur would be able to do it. The only any sensible reason would be if they wanted changing it to be upgrade for new Sister Rhino, but it seems to be so similar to old one there is no reason why it wouldn't fit both...
Probably because it takes longer than 1 to 2 hours to create a model? I mean, do you really think that its that simple?
Yodhrin wrote:Yup. The fact GW consistently doesn't give a gak about it doesn't mean it's "ridiculous", nor does it mean we have to give them a free pass for it.
Failing in quantity is still failing.
You're right that GW hasn't given a shot about scale in the past. Thats always been true, going back to Rogue Trader. GW models have rarely had a consistent scale across the line. You would think that after decades fans would just accept that instead of getting angry about it at literally every release.
in terms of a boost to sisters, I've met more then a few people starting a sisters army (myself) and even talked to one guy whose not gotten into 40k, who said he was always promising himself he would if they ever did plastic sisters
As was already pointed out, FW's target customer base is "loud, loyal but small". According to FW themsleves a LOT of FW kits never sell very man copies, so its not as if the potential to ONLY sell a few hundred Repressors to an established fanabse that was begging for them and eagerly buying both used and bootleg models wouldn't be worthwhile. I think its much more likely that they simply didn't have the manpower, and wanted to spend their time on new things.
In fairness, this is exactly why Forgeworld exists. They sell things that aren't popular enough to justify mass market production and distribution using a direct sales model and material with a lower initial investment.
As was already pointed out, FW's target customer base is "loud, loyal but small". According to FW themsleves a LOT of FW kits never sell very man copies, so its not as if the potential to ONLY sell a few hundred Repressors to an established fanabse that was begging for them and eagerly buying both used and bootleg models wouldn't be worthwhile. I think its much more likely that they simply didn't have the manpower, and wanted to spend their time on new things.
In fairness, this is exactly why Forgeworld exists. They sell things that aren't popular enough to justify mass market production and distribution using a direct sales model and material with a lower initial investment.
Yeah. Totally. My guess (and its just a guess) is that the Repressor disappeared for a bunch of reasons, including a lost or broken mold (and lack of time or interest to fix it), more interest in perusing projects other projects and lack of overall manpower. Its almost certainly not a lack of demand (although if demand is the only metric theres very probably several other kits with higher demand that they could bring back).
I wish I knew more about how FW operated. I've read some interviews and articles over the years and its always very interesting.
The proper term for miniatures is literally Scale Models. Thats why Scale is important.
Scale makes our armies and battles feel right. Thats why mixing 20mm scale miniatures with 32mm scale miniatures feels wrong and looks butt ugly.
No, the term miniature means a small version of something. GW has never produced scale models and after Rogue Trader has never even mentioned a ground scale—for which it’s miniatures have never been in scale with. Hell, the miniatures aren’t even in scale with themselves since their hands, heads and weapons are Gwar-ishly oversized.
So can we just accept size creep and enjoy well produced models that are indeed head and shoulders better than their 1987 originals.
Lord Damocles wrote: Which would be a fine argument if Marines hadn't just grown by a head to be more in scale...
They havent. The first part of your statement is alright, but "to be more in scale"? That's just, like, your opinion man! I think GW made them bigger because they think it looks cooler, don't care about scale at all.
Don't suppose you have a picture of it assmbled and unpainted and/or a picture of it on sprue?
on another note entirely, I'm watching the PA2 trailer again and the sisters in that are in white PA with red robes... what order is that? I've seen it depicted a few times but best I can detirmine GW's never given us the name of it
BrianDavion wrote: Don't suppose you have a picture of it assmbled and unpainted and/or a picture of it on sprue?
on another note entirely, I'm watching the PA2 trailer again and the sisters in that are in white PA with red robes... what order is that? I've seen it depicted a few times but best I can detirmine GW's never given us the name of it
Away being painted I am afraid- I will see if I can find the instructions.
BrianDavion wrote: Don't suppose you have a picture of it assmbled and unpainted and/or a picture of it on sprue?
on another note entirely, I'm watching the PA2 trailer again and the sisters in that are in white PA with red robes... what order is that? I've seen it depicted a few times but best I can detirmine GW's never given us the name of it
Away being painted I am afraid- I will see if I can find the instructions.
thanks, I'm curious if the lettering on it is part of the mini or painted on (annoying the only preview they give is painted)
BrianDavion wrote: Don't suppose you have a picture of it assmbled and unpainted and/or a picture of it on sprue?
Careful asking for pictures like this! That's how you get pictures posted! NSFW
Spoiler:
Wait actually it was SFW! Amelia Novella for scale only . Notice she isn't on the black plastic base. To answer the question, the flowery embroidery and the lettering on the side are extra plates that you can glue on or not, the lettering on the front is an integral part of the front plate. I also got the big flamethrower model, you can see it in the background. One of the front plates was bended quite a bit, I put it over boiling water to soften it and unbend it. All in all don't expect perfectly fitting pieces, it requires some work on the assembly. And the models come with tons of small extra part, I didn't use them all, they went to my bitz box. Want pictures of the extra bitz too?
Got a phone call from GW this afternoon about my box set. They had to do a second print run, it will have all the same stuff as the first run and I should get it on the 19th. They said that the limiting factor is the paper parts.
Smaug wrote: Got a phone call from GW this afternoon about my box set. They had to do a second print run, it will have all the same stuff as the first run and I should get it on the 19th. They said that the limiting factor is the paper parts.
While this is going to be annoying for you, this is, IMHO good news. Sisters where delayed as long as they where because certain people at GW where apparently convinced no one would buy a female army, and these boxes are very VERY well selling, now however sisters look to be a VERY popular army. This'll proably lead to more female representation in other armies too
I don't want to look back through dozens of pages so I'll ask once:
Is there any rumors/confirmation that there will be another run of army boxes at a later date?
Obviously the individual squads/models and codex will come out separately after the new year. I usually get several hundred dollars for Christmas to spend at my local store to spend on 40k and I would love a second chance at an army box like the one just released that was sold out in like 10 minutes.
jivardi wrote: I don't want to look back through dozens of pages so I'll ask once:
Is there any rumors/confirmation that there will be another run of army boxes at a later date?
Obviously the individual squads/models and codex will come out separately after the new year. I usually get several hundred dollars for Christmas to spend at my local store to spend on 40k and I would love a second chance at an army box like the one just released that was sold out in like 10 minutes.
There are plenty of boxes available online. A quick search on ebay shows several boxes at or below retail cost.
jivardi wrote: I don't want to look back through dozens of pages so I'll ask once:
Is there any rumors/confirmation that there will be another run of army boxes at a later date?
Obviously the individual squads/models and codex will come out separately after the new year. I usually get several hundred dollars for Christmas to spend at my local store to spend on 40k and I would love a second chance at an army box like the one just released that was sold out in like 10 minutes.
even if not hang onto your money because we're getting multipart releases in january
BrianDavion wrote: can't hurt, might be worth looking into once I have my core force assmbled. damnit jan/febuary's going to be pricy.
Plenty of smoke launcher, small graal square, and =I= symbols.
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BrianDavion wrote: This'll proably lead to more female representation in other armies too
Well, I'm not sure. I mean, you know, GW has already been doing pretty well in that regard lately. If you look at AoS, for instance, the Stormcast got (boobplaty) female members, the Chaos barbarians got (non-cheesecaky, beefy) female warriors, and the Chaos warrior proper just got some female heads too! Really among the new models, the only one that are missing female options are the new Dwarves, and maybe the Orcs and Gobelins, skeletons being skeletons… For 40k it's similar, later non-CSM Chaos release all had some female options I think.
It's a bit hard to say since GW is still in a state of transition. Yes, Age of Sigmar has visibly made steps in the right direction. You can also see the difference between the all male first wave of Genestealer Cults and the second wave that has a number of female sculpts. How far apart were those released? Two and a half years?
Then you have not so shining examples in Necromunda where four of the house gangs are mixed but only Van Saar and Delaque have a token female per five man sprue while Cawdor and Orlock don't have a female sculpt at all. The extra annoying thing with the latter is that there's even artwork of a female Orlock ganger in one of the first Gang War books. And the gangs were conceptualized and realized pretty much at the same time, and as the former two houses show the sculptors very well thought of the appeal the inclusion of female miniatures might have, while not following through with the idea with the other houses.
I don't know if GW is going to draw any conclusions from the popularity of Sisters, but if they do I hope it means they won't be quite so hesitant and inconsistent in the future. If that's what they were planning to implement all along, so much the better, but a little reinforcement can't hurt.
Is there any events etc which would be likely to tell concrete launch date for sisters? Want to get hands on new sisters so i could get first game under belt asap.
Concrete no, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took the same slot GSC did last year- preorders start the last week of January, actually on sale in February across two weeks.
The Codex
The new codex itself features all these units and more. For those who do miss out on the Army Set, January is right around the corner, so you’ll be able to pre-order it in no time.
features the repentia and rather than January, they say 'sometime next year.' I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second wave... later.
Its going to be a minimum of 8 kits (plus the cannoness), if they shove all three vehicles in one box. That's unlikely to all come out at once.
Cannonness
Judith
Triump of Sainty K
Seraphim/Zepharym
Battle/Dominions/Celest
Retributors
Pentinent/Mortifier
Rhino/Incinerator/Exorcist
Repentia
Based on the models, it's pretty clear that exorcist and immolator are a double kit, but rhino is its own kit. The first two being "deimos pattern plastic rhino chassis", the third not being deimos, lol.
Given the lack of images of seraphim/zephirym (other than the monokit from the army box), odds are pretty good those will be last. Maybe rets as well, thinking about it. Has there been any pic with a multimelta sister yet?
Codex release is somewhere between the 11th and the 1st.
I'd lean toward the first.
features the repentia and rather than January, they say 'sometime next year.' I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second wave... later.
FFS, that would be massively annoying. A lot of people want to start a brand new Sister army and not being able to buy all models in January would make things difficult. Having this gap between the limited edition box and the actual release is already irksome enough.
Wonder why after all the blinging up of the vehicles that they have no general upgrades etc?
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Smaug wrote: Got a phone call from GW this afternoon about my box set. They had to do a second print run, it will have all the same stuff as the first run and I should get it on the 19th. They said that the limiting factor is the paper parts.
Alos understand that all employee orders were cancelled and those boxes heading to customers - part of the reason for 2nd print run.
features the repentia and rather than January, they say 'sometime next year.' I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second wave... later.
FFS, that would be massively annoying. A lot of people want to start a brand new Sister army and not being able to buy all models in January would make things difficult. Having this gap between the limited edition box and the actual release is already irksome enough.
You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
Voss wrote: Given the lack of images of seraphim/zephirym (other than the monokit from the army box), odds are pretty good those will be last. Maybe rets as well, thinking about it. Has there been any pic with a multimelta sister yet?I'd lean toward the first.
The only arco flagellants I've seen so far have also just been the ones from the recent box, so those also seem a likely candidate for a later wave. And the battle sanctum of course.
Don't mind the wait too much; it's not like I'll have the box contents fully painted before the proper releases hit, and by the time I'd be done with those the next wave is probably there. Would like to kitbash some of the various kits though, so I hope the second wave won't be too long after the first.
Togusa wrote: You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
We don't actually know that Sisters interrupted their schedule. Given the copyright date on the first concept work we were shown, either they dropped everything and began working on Sisters immediately after the Community Survey (which, frankly, seems unlikely), or they had started at least concept work before the Survey which apparently gave them the idea.
It would be strange to assume that GW would return to Genestealer Cults of all things, but have no idea that there was potential demand for Sisters of Battle. And they were already pushing more female models in various ranges by that point...
features the repentia and rather than January, they say 'sometime next year.' I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second wave... later.
FFS, that would be massively annoying. A lot of people want to start a brand new Sister army and not being able to buy all models in January would make things difficult. Having this gap between the limited edition box and the actual release is already irksome enough.
I really want to have actually enough minis to make a 2k list with, if the rest of the release isnt till later on in the year, gak will impact fan.
In the meantime, I guess I can just ally them with my Metalica. not ideal but i guess doable.
Togusa wrote: You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
We don't actually know that Sisters interrupted their schedule. Given the copyright date on the first concept work we were shown, either they dropped everything and began working on Sisters immediately after the Community Survey (which, frankly, seems unlikely), or they had started at least concept work before the Survey which apparently gave them the idea.
It would be strange to assume that GW would return to Genestealer Cults of all things, but have no idea that there was potential demand for Sisters of Battle. And they were already pushing more female models in various ranges by that point...
I suppose that is true. It may have started with Rise of the Primarch and Rising Storm.
Togusa wrote: You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
We don't actually know that Sisters interrupted their schedule. Given the copyright date on the first concept work we were shown, either they dropped everything and began working on Sisters immediately after the Community Survey (which, frankly, seems unlikely), or they had started at least concept work before the Survey which apparently gave them the idea.
It would be strange to assume that GW would return to Genestealer Cults of all things, but have no idea that there was potential demand for Sisters of Battle. And they were already pushing more female models in various ranges by that point...
I suppose that is true. It may have started with Rise of the Primarch and Rising Storm.
If Celestine had been planned to be anything but a standalone any such concept work would have been made as part of her creation, not afterwards. Certainly not over a year afterwards.
Similarly, Celestine being released only in a box with an Inquisitor and a humongous Techpriest wouldn't have allowed GW to draw any conclusion which part of this box was popular with the people that bought it and would not have tipped them in favor of redoing Sisters.
No offense, but trying to spin this any other way than how GW said it happened is real conspiracy theory material.
As for taking another release's spot, I don't know if this has changed in the meantime but the production facts GW used to talk about back in the day were that an army/codex release took 18 to 24 months from inception to release and GW's concrete release plans spanned 24 months into the future. If this is still the case, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, GW may have had ideas how to proceed in the beginning of 2020 but nothing would have been carved in stone by the time they resolved to do Sisters. Sisters would have just been put at the very end of the concrete release plan.
Actually i'm certain GW will keep an eye on the secondary market and what split box set minis are going for
so by looking at what Celestine, the techpriest and inquisitor sold for they'd get an idea of releticve popularity
any they may (not certain how the kit was listed) also have got an idea from their website where kits can be bought under several tabs (eg sororitas/Mechanicus/Inquisition)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Actually i'm certain GW will keep an eye on the secondary market and what split box set minis are going for
so by looking at what Celestine, the techpriest and inquisitor sold for they'd get an idea of releticve popularity
any they may (not certain how the kit was listed) also have got an idea from their website where kits can be bought under several tabs (eg sororitas/Mechanicus/Inquisition)
Well, I'm sure it helped that Celestine was basically a staple of every index-era meta list, Belligerent Carl was an auto-include but only in one army, and Coolhat McIhavenodistinguishingfeatures the inquisitor lady just...has no purpose or reason to exist and should just be a generic inquisitor with some weapon options.
I really, really, REALLY wish Gw's design studio was using these box set releases to justify giving armies more options rather than making them special bespoke named characters with no real reason to take them except when they goof up and give them some bonus over the generic version of the model for free.
"Hey, here's a chaos lord with a thunder hammer for this boxed game, now Chaos Lords have the option to take that wargear!"
"here's a bunch of new cultist stuff, here's new weapons that your cultists can take because they're in this kit!"
It wouldn't amaze or surprise me if GW has a lot of concepts waiting to see the light of day...maybe. Seems likely that designers might come up with stuff all the time that's not planned for any time soon, or is planned, and then doesn't fit into the release schedule, or is just stupid bonkers stuff that they doubt will ever see release.
It could be Sisters were in this pile. Either that or they did just get to work when they saw the overwhelming response to the community survey. I'm not complaining either way. They look good. And there's been a better number of female miniatures mixed in amongst other groups too. I'm not going to bother asking for better racial representation across miinis because honestly I'm just happy when we get somewhat decent looking, if all-Caucasian (pretty unlikely in the 41st millennium but whatever) face sculpts. I'll just continue to paint the skin tones a variety of shades.
If Celestine had been planned to be anything but a standalone any such concept work would have been made as part of her creation, not afterwards. Certainly not over a year afterwards.
Similarly, Celestine being released only in a box with an Inquisitor
...who also was a Sister of Battle at one time.
I think that GW is constantly thinking of things and lots of dead ends or abandoned stuff happens without us knowing. After GSC I’m sure there was lots of questions of what else could we resurrect. That Heroes of the Imperium box set can easily be seen as a backdoor poll for interest in Sisters, at least from the designers who allegedly wag the dog.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if the 2 BSF Rogue Traders are a trial for a codex RT/Imperial Navy/Space Pirates?
Little Column A, little Column B.
On the face of it, they’re a unique selling point for BSF and that Kill Team set. A chance for the designers to just have a little fun.
But, they’re also a toe in the water regardless of the original intent. And if they’ve proved as popular with others as they have me, that won’t go unnoticed.
If Celestine had been planned to be anything but a standalone any such concept work would have been made as part of her creation, not afterwards. Certainly not over a year afterwards.
Similarly, Celestine being released only in a box with an Inquisitor
...who also was a Sister of Battle at one time.
I think that GW is constantly thinking of things and lots of dead ends or abandoned stuff happens without us knowing. After GSC I’m sure there was lots of questions of what else could we resurrect. That Heroes of the Imperium box set can easily be seen as a backdoor poll for interest in Sisters, at least from the designers who allegedly wag the dog.
But the problem is as pointed out the Celestine didn't really give any real concrete data about how much SISTERS sold as it was sold in bundles. Did bundles sell because of celestine? Or cawl? Or greyfax?
Good luck figuring that one when all sold together.
tneva82 wrote: But the problem is as pointed out the Celestine didn't really give any real concrete data about how much SISTERS sold as it was sold in bundles. Did bundles sell because of celestine? Or cawl? Or greyfax?
Good luck figuring that one when all sold together.
Good point. Too bad there was no way to know if anyone broke up the box and saw what sold the most or even if the models were ever sold individually to see which ones sold the most. I mean there is just no way of knowing.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if the 2 BSF Rogue Traders are a trial for a codex RT/Imperial Navy/Space Pirates?
I really hope so!
I really hope not!
Another Imperial faction? Come on folks. The Imperial Navy? What would that even be?! An all flyer force? Just barrage after barrage of orbital artillery?
And Space Pirates? Wha....? What's cool at Pirate Faire is not cool on the table top.
And that's supposed to make things better? Then it's not just three different models that may compete with each other, you can't even say why people buy Greyfax if she's the deciding factor.
Did people buy her because they like Inquisition? Because they like Sisters? Both? Did they buy her because the box advertises her as an Inquisitor? Did they buy her because they are familiar with the background material and like her as a former Sister?
tneva82 wrote: But the problem is as pointed out the Celestine didn't really give any real concrete data about how much SISTERS sold as it was sold in bundles. Did bundles sell because of celestine? Or cawl? Or greyfax?
Good luck figuring that one when all sold together.
Good point. Too bad there was no way to know if anyone broke up the box and saw what sold the most or even if the models were ever sold individually to see which ones sold the most. I mean there is just no way of knowing.
Feel free to be as sarcastic as you like, but there's reasonable doubt that monitoring third party sellers can provide GW with solid enough data to base their decisions on. It can give them an impression of how popular things may be, but it involves at least a measure of guesswork since GW is not privy to the motivations and numbers of each seller and it doesn't give any better an idea of the buyers' motivation either.
The more important point is that they have no first hand data of their own to compare and corroborate with. It's not just that they're supposed to base the decision to do a u-turn on their long-standing policy on Sisters on incomplete data, which you could argue is the case for any data, but they cannot even accurately tell where the faults and holes in that data may be because they're grabbing it off a public platform when they can, if they catch it, and with no insight whatsoever into the sellers' books.
On the other hand, GW did a community survey to ask people what they want. They flat out stated plastic Sisters are a result of that survey. There was enough of 2017 left after getting initial results of the survey for an artist to sketch some designs for the sketches to get a 2017 copyright. The release of Sisters falls exactly into the 18 to 24 month window for a new army project we know GW works with.
Isn't it enough for you that GW did the right thing in doing the survey and more importantly decided to then proceed and give people what they asked for? Do you really need GW to have the uncanny foresight to finally get around to making new Sisters models just in time to beat the survey that tells them there is enough demand?
Nobody's questioning that GW has changed their approach in recent years and that they are open to exploring things they flat out dismissed under earlier. Nobody's questioning that this shift in attitude is vital to accepting that people actually want Sisters.
Feel free to be as sarcastic as you like, but there's reasonable doubt that monitoring third party sellers can provide GW with solid enough data to base their decisions on. It can give them an impression of how popular things may be, but it involves at least a measure of guesswork since GW is not privy to the motivations and numbers of each seller and it doesn't give any better an idea of the buyers' motivation either.
Is lack of 3rd party listings(sales numbers GW has zero ways to get) because model is not popualar so nobody bothers to buy? Because they are so popular nobody has spares to sell? Does tons of listings mean there's huge demand or nobody is interested?
# of listing can be interpreted 2 ways. Without actual # SOLD nobody knows(which short of asking and somehow getting answer or hacking into system of 3rd party sellers GW has no real way to get in realistic way)
Not to mention if powerful character you can easily soup into others selling well doesn't tell does army itself sell well. Saint was basically plug and play soup addition for cheap price. Bit different than full army.
I'd not be suprised if we found out there was some inital design work (even if just sketches) for sisters done in advance, but the survey was what convinced the GW brass to give it the go ahead
BrianDavion wrote: I'd not be suprised if we found out there was some inital design work (even if just sketches) for sisters done in advance, but the survey was what convinced the GW brass to give it the go ahead
this is reasonable. They had to do drafts/work ups for Celestine & Gemini so much of the groundwork was laid before. Since we know they work in CAD, taking the initial size, proportions, etc and fleshing out the rest would take little development time. Add in the 2ish years to that and....bam plastic Sororitas.
The biggest thing to take away from this is,
There
are
now
plastic
Sororitas
!
tneva82 wrote: # of listing can be interpreted 2 ways. Without actual # SOLD nobody knows(which short of asking and somehow getting answer or hacking into system of 3rd party sellers GW has no real way to get in realistic way)
Anyone can check numbers sold on eBay. It's the "completed listings" checkbox. Not saying GW would bother to do that, but it isn't difficult.
tneva82 wrote: But the problem is as pointed out the Celestine didn't really give any real concrete data about how much SISTERS sold as it was sold in bundles. Did bundles sell because of celestine? Or cawl? Or greyfax?
Good luck figuring that one when all sold together.
Good point. Too bad there was no way to know if anyone broke up the box and saw what sold the most or even if the models were ever sold individually to see which ones sold the most. I mean there is just no way of knowing.
Maybe that's exactly what happened?
2016: Wow, that triumvirate set sold really well. People must really like Cawl. Lets really push the mechanicus.
2018: Oooooooo. They were buying the girl thing. Maybe we should make more of those.
You know, GW actually could send out more polls to their email base. I would have NO issue answering a dozen questions or more concerning my hobbies, or even specific products. I know they had their HUGE POLL earlier this year, but too much information is never enough for businesses, and voluntary data is gold.
Granted, they would probably also get a TON of worthless data from people solely focused on their army and hating on the rest, but it should be relatively easy to tell.
Case in point: Why did I buy the Heroes Box? Because of Celestine.
Togusa wrote: You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
We don't actually know that Sisters interrupted their schedule. Given the copyright date on the first concept work we were shown, either they dropped everything and began working on Sisters immediately after the Community Survey (which, frankly, seems unlikely), or they had started at least concept work before the Survey which apparently gave them the idea.
It would be strange to assume that GW would return to Genestealer Cults of all things, but have no idea that there was potential demand for Sisters of Battle. And they were already pushing more female models in various ranges by that point...
I suppose that is true. It may have started with Rise of the Primarch and Rising Storm.
If Celestine had been planned to be anything but a standalone any such concept work would have been made as part of her creation, not afterwards. Certainly not over a year afterwards.
Similarly, Celestine being released only in a box with an Inquisitor and a humongous Techpriest wouldn't have allowed GW to draw any conclusion which part of this box was popular with the people that bought it and would not have tipped them in favor of redoing Sisters.
No offense, but trying to spin this any other way than how GW said it happened is real conspiracy theory material.
As for taking another release's spot, I don't know if this has changed in the meantime but the production facts GW used to talk about back in the day were that an army/codex release took 18 to 24 months from inception to release and GW's concrete release plans spanned 24 months into the future. If this is still the case, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, GW may have had ideas how to proceed in the beginning of 2020 but nothing would have been carved in stone by the time they resolved to do Sisters. Sisters would have just been put at the very end of the concrete release plan.
All I am saying is they had a designed direction. I do not believe they didn't have all the artwork ready well before they made the announcement of the survey results. There is no way that they hadn't had any idea that Sisters were a thing. I'll never, ever buy that line.
Sacredroach wrote: You know, GW actually could send out more polls to their email base. I would have NO issue answering a dozen questions or more concerning my hobbies, or even specific products. I know they had their HUGE POLL earlier this year, but too much information is never enough for businesses, and voluntary data is gold.
Granted, they would probably also get a TON of worthless data from people solely focused on their army and hating on the rest, but it should be relatively easy to tell.
Case in point: Why did I buy the Heroes Box? Because of Celestine.
Easy questions, easy data.
One of the first things they teach you when learning how to take polls is how to parse the useless data, or at least extrapolate useful data from it. Even the kind of rants we see from posters like An Actual Englishmen could be useful. "Many Orc players are very passionate about their army, but not likely to branch off into others."
As for taking another release's spot, I don't know if this has changed in the meantime but the production facts GW used to talk about back in the day were that an army/codex release took 18 to 24 months from inception to release and GW's concrete release plans spanned 24 months into the future. If this is still the case, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, GW may have had ideas how to proceed in the beginning of 2020 but nothing would have been carved in stone by the time they resolved to do Sisters. Sisters would have just been put at the very end of the concrete release plan.
From what I heard at a GW-shop, three times the normal amount of “starter” boxes were produced for the sisters (about 100k pcs).
The clerks at a shop don't know, they're not kept in the loop on manufacturing details.
For one thing, a starter box like this doesn't happen regularly, and certainly hasn't recently. So three times the 'normal amount' doesn't mean anything at all, because there isn't a 'normal' to compare it to.
It be like three times the normal amount of nuns showing up at my house.
One of the first things they teach you when learning how to take polls is how to parse the useless data, or at least extrapolate useful data from it. Even the kind of rants we see from posters like An Actual Englishmen could be useful. "Many Orc players are very passionate about their army, but not likely to branch off into others."
It's not really a mystery why people like the Sisters. GW was like, people like Joan of Arc, so let's make an entire army out of Joan of Arcs, and that's way more than the six Joan of Arcs that Infinity has. Just on the number of Joan of Arcs alone, GW has everybody beat. Thus success. It's so obvious, you don't need market research. 6 Joan of Arcs = good. 60 Joan of Arcs = better.
Sqorgar wrote: 6 Joan of Arcs = good. 60 Joan of Arcs = better.
Or is it 'Joans of Arc' like a Court Martial becomes many Courts Martial?
Any hoo.
I finally had the peace and quiet to put my figures together last night and am quite happy with the result.
Apart from the champions, I have opted for the helmets but with each of the standard Sisters/ Seraphim having helmet and bare head options, there is some variety to be had.
I covered this box set out of normal funds so I still have my splash fund for the early 2020 releases. That money goes to my FLGS seeing as they guaranteed me the box set. Good service receives rewards.
I also have my stripped metals ready to go as well. As a Valourous Heart painter with my original army, the metals may have to go as the Valourous offshoot Order just for some variety.
I went for mix heads. As I got 2 sets there's 4 of each poses for basic squads, 2 for smaller so loooooots of duplications. Ergo at least heads differ. Also both helmet heads look at opposite directions etc.
Too bad full kit looks to be fairly monopose as well :(
Togusa wrote: You cannot just will an entire product line into existence. I understand the frustration, but seriously, they've done a massive amount of goodwill with this project, interrupting their preexisting development schedule for the fans who stuck with it through the years. If I have to wait to get my hands on the entire line until Febuary, March or even May, I'm happy to do so.
We don't actually know that Sisters interrupted their schedule. Given the copyright date on the first concept work we were shown, either they dropped everything and began working on Sisters immediately after the Community Survey (which, frankly, seems unlikely), or they had started at least concept work before the Survey which apparently gave them the idea.
It would be strange to assume that GW would return to Genestealer Cults of all things, but have no idea that there was potential demand for Sisters of Battle. And they were already pushing more female models in various ranges by that point...
I suppose that is true. It may have started with Rise of the Primarch and Rising Storm.
If Celestine had been planned to be anything but a standalone any such concept work would have been made as part of her creation, not afterwards. Certainly not over a year afterwards.
Similarly, Celestine being released only in a box with an Inquisitor and a humongous Techpriest wouldn't have allowed GW to draw any conclusion which part of this box was popular with the people that bought it and would not have tipped them in favor of redoing Sisters.
No offense, but trying to spin this any other way than how GW said it happened is real conspiracy theory material.
As for taking another release's spot, I don't know if this has changed in the meantime but the production facts GW used to talk about back in the day were that an army/codex release took 18 to 24 months from inception to release and GW's concrete release plans spanned 24 months into the future. If this is still the case, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, GW may have had ideas how to proceed in the beginning of 2020 but nothing would have been carved in stone by the time they resolved to do Sisters. Sisters would have just been put at the very end of the concrete release plan.
All I am saying is they had a designed direction. I do not believe they didn't have all the artwork ready well before they made the announcement of the survey results. There is no way that they hadn't had any idea that Sisters were a thing. I'll never, ever buy that line.
They had a design direction since the mid nineties. Vowing to stick to the established aesthetic has its perks.
alphaecho wrote: Or is it 'Joans of Arc' like a Court Martial becomes many Courts Martial?
As a nerd, I am obligated to answer your question with a detailed answer.
Joan of Arc was born Jeanne d'Arc, daughter of Jacque d'Arc. So d'Arc is the family name (it's a little bit more complicated than that, as both Jeanne and d'Arc are modern spellings, so she was more likely born Jehanne Darc, and may not have even taken the Darc name at all, but I digress). She's called Joan of Arc because Joan was the closest English spelling to Jeanne and "of Arc" was a literal translation of her family name.
So, to answer your question, "Joan of Arc" is a proper name, so the correct pluralization would be "Joan of Arcs".
alphaecho wrote: Or is it 'Joans of Arc' like a Court Martial becomes many Courts Martial?
As a nerd, I am obligated to answer your question with a detailed answer.
Joan of Arc was born Jeanne d'Arc, daughter of Jacque d'Arc. So d'Arc is the family name (it's a little bit more complicated than that, as both Jeanne and d'Arc are modern spellings, so she was more likely born Jehanne Darc, and may not have even taken the Darc name at all, but I digress). She's called Joan of Arc because Joan was the closest English spelling to Jeanne and "of Arc" was a literal translation of her family name.
So, to answer your question, "Joan of Arc" is a proper name, so the correct pluralization would be "Joan of Arcs".
Cripple X wrote: Is there any indication that we will get Frateris Militia models along with the full Sisters release? The recent Regimental Standard has me wondering.
Are there rules for them? I haven’t seen any rules for them on the legends site or are they in the index? As far as models I would go with Cawdor gangers.
tneva82 wrote:I went for mix heads. As I got 2 sets there's 4 of each poses for basic squads, 2 for smaller so loooooots of duplications. Ergo at least heads differ. Also both helmet heads look at opposite directions etc.
Too bad full kit looks to be fairly monopose as well :(
tneva82 wrote:I went for mix heads. As I got 2 sets there's 4 of each poses for basic squads, 2 for smaller so loooooots of duplications. Ergo at least heads differ. Also both helmet heads look at opposite directions etc.
Too bad full kit looks to be fairly monopose as well :(
I tried to do a mix as well. I also swapped some heads that I thought looked better on different tosos. looking forward to the full release (hopefully they'll have a cheap ETB box of 3 Sororitas like Marines) just to see what I can do with them. Not really care about monopose or not as long as the sculpts look as good as these do.
Cripple X wrote: Is there any indication that we will get Frateris Militia models along with the full Sisters release? The recent Regimental Standard has me wondering.
Are there rules for them? I haven’t seen any rules for them on the legends site or are they in the index? As far as models I would go with Cawdor gangers.
No rules, although I'd absolutely LOVE it if they did a "War of Faith" book for PA that included supplement rules for each for each of the SoB Major orders, and regimental rules for a new frateritas milita "Regiment" for the guard
Racerguy180 wrote: as of last night Game Kastle in Santa Clara had four left.
I'm getting more and more tempted to pick up another box.
I'd give it a pass, the models are nice looking but the battle sister squad isn't exactly optimized, you don't need the second codex, and the pentient engine likely isn't going to be as commonly used as the new thing it's a double kit with. not saying the box isn't awesome, but multiple boxes proably isn't the best way to go for an army
Racerguy180 wrote: as of last night Game Kastle in Santa Clara had four left.
I'm getting more and more tempted to pick up another box.
I'd give it a pass, the models are nice looking but the battle sister squad isn't exactly optimized, you don't need the second codex, and the pentient engine likely isn't going to be as commonly used as the new thing it's a double kit with. not saying the box isn't awesome, but multiple boxes proably isn't the best way to go for an army
You can sell codex, cards and second canoness easy peasy though. I ended up paying 100e for my second box(list price 160). And if you have any flamers in sob's might just as well have 2 so you get that one flamer squad anyway and more storm bolters are always handy. You'll be needing like dozen of them easily.
I'm going Valorous Heart. I like the lore behind the Order and the added bonus of negating the AP of quite a few common weapons is an added bonus.
Though I'm going to go with purple cloaks with an orange lining.
In Christianity purple is favored during Lent and Advent, both seasons of penance. The Order of VH are constantly seeking penance for any and all perceived sins. So black and purple seems to make sense.
Orange is symbolic of endurance and strength. The increased survivability to the units due to the VH Conviction rules represent increased endurance.
That and VH has more Repentia present than other orders. Nuns with chainswords longer than they are tall? Yes please!!
Twoshoes23 wrote: Are we due for a FAQ? Anything obvious that should get changed?
Bunch of stuff.
Boxset canoness has illegal loadout. At least 3 different valid interpretations of how AoF work are out there atm (ignore lemondish), mortifiers can't run and shoot with their assault heavy bolters (though technically assault weapons in general can't either and they still haven't fixed that.) Confirming that dominions can't scout their transports and it wasn't just a copy paste error, some other minor things.
Plus, it would be an easy moment to fix the points on the few units that are clearly too expensive. Triumph, Celestine (even though I love her), the geminae, and the immolator are all a fair bit pricier than they should be. 10-20% at least.
Twoshoes23 wrote: Are we due for a FAQ? Anything obvious that should get changed?
GW has noted it will wait for full release "to get more feedback" so virtually quaranteed to be in february. Doesn't look early january release for sisters so late and then 2 weeks. 25.1 for pre-orders and 1.2 for store date would be my guess fulfilling both GW mentioning january in regard to sister release and february for rumoured february release.
Big one is box set canoness. Either GW will move that configuration to legends due to "no model currently on sale for that configuration" or alter weapon options(most likely "may replace bolt pistol and chainsword for power sword and either boltgun or plasma pistol. In addition it has rod of office" to make the model legal but not allow say inferno pistol because reasons.
MD system with fast dice rolling also keep getting questions so even if rules are atm clear it's definitely FAQ material because it literally meets what FAQ means. And of course it's possible GW just made mistake originally and wrote rules very clearly to mean opposite what they didn't want and they change how it works.
Not much else. Surprisingly error free book. Biggest issues are more of design issues but that's not for FAQ to really do and frankly some isues aren't going to be solved except by new codex(MD dices for example being very unscalable is pretty hard to fix without doing such an extensive change that FAQ is not appropriate slot for it).
Not sure if French version exclusive but there is also some nice typo where some weapons that should be S: +2 or S: +3 became S:2 and S:3 (while other just above are correctly written as S: +X) which is nice! “Oh, my penitent engine hits you at S3, he isn't feeling very well today!”
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Not sure if French version exclusive but there is also some nice typo where some weapons that should be S: +2 or S: +3 became S:2 and S:3 (while other just above are correctly written as S: +X) which is nice! “Oh, my penitent engine hits you at S3, he isn't feeling very well today!”
that's a typo in the french version it correctly displays +3 str in my english version
It makes sense when you consider that the bulk of the army is still unreleased - why do two passes and two FAQ/Errata close together when you can do one and cover more in one sweep.
Overread wrote: It makes sense when you consider that the bulk of the army is still unreleased - why do two passes and two FAQ/Errata close together when you can do one and cover more in one sweep.
Then again that assumes there's going to be found more things for same thing in second time. And annoyingly leaves bunch of players with model that can't be legally used in many tournaments. At least that much would have been nice to get quick fix. It's not even unclear like MD. It's flat out impossible to get legal configuration that matches very common wysiwyg rule. It's not like lack of grenade that's not big deal for many wysiwyg tournament requirement. It's flat out not going through.
Overread wrote: It makes sense when you consider that the bulk of the army is still unreleased - why do two passes and two FAQ/Errata close together when you can do one and cover more in one sweep.
Because all of the rules are currently released, and the FAQ/errata deals with rules and not models.
Yeah I think Wayland has likely sourced a bunch of them from somewhere. That or someone in marketing mucked up and launched the info early before GW/other stores are allowed too release that information. I know that many retailers will deal through distributors, however considering how powerfully the sisters stuff sold I'd have been surprised if Distributors were left holding significant levels of stock in the system.
Overread wrote: It makes sense when you consider that the bulk of the army is still unreleased - why do two passes and two FAQ/Errata close together when you can do one and cover more in one sweep.
Because all of the rules are currently released, and the FAQ/errata deals with rules and not models.
Yes but you can bet a large number of potential customers are not using models they don't have. With the Tome having totally new models GW is likely holding off until the main release event when all the models (or majority) go on sale along with the book. Remember right now there are many potential Sisters players who still don't have book nor models (and are not willing to part with money at inflated prices on ebay/FB)
My LGS still has 3 boxes left from November. Owner said he ordered 5 but so far only 2 have been sold. I'd scoop up one but need to wait until next payday which is Feb 1st so by time I can afford it the regular releases will probably be available at least for pre-order so what would I do with extra codex and cards?
Except plenty of players have tried and top of that faq stuff is where you don't need to play. We are not talking about balance issues but unclear/flat out can't play mistakes.
I would be willing to bet all questions in faq have already been asked. People who bought the set have already read it and all the questions tend to be ones you find out on first reading
New models look nice, I'm really fond of the Retributor Superior! She looks so badass! Hopefully she comes with options so not all retributor superior looks the exact same though. Also is it just me or are Retributor's new heavy weapons much slimmer now?
Are Zephyrims a double kit with Seraphims? They seem to have different jumppack at least: So sad they went for this extremely uninspiring weapon loadout instead of lances and shields!
I wonder if the new big statue has any rule effect, is it the Battle Sanctum from the codex?
New Arco have 5 different body poses for 10 models, but have different heads and arms which makes this less of a problem:
I wonder if they are still on tiny-teeny little microscopic bases like in the box set. I mean, those are the model with the biggest overhead and the tiniest base size in that box! Here it doesn't seem as bad so I think they gained a base size.
Penitent engines are pretty much as expected:
Mortifiers are pretty much as expected, a penitent engine with a different pilot/victim:
You can see the Anchorite (Mortifier "superior" with fully enclosed pilot) at 0:23 in the video, may post screenshot later). And some more of the Triumph just after that.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wonder if the new big statue has any rule effect, is it the Battle Sanctum from the codex?
Yep, that's it
Well then the super-high floors make it not very convenient for actual gameplay. But sticking some Valorous Heart Retributor squads all over the Sanctum, with one Imagifier with Stoicism and possibly a Canoness with Indomitable belief, seems great fun! You can taunt your opponent that your retributors are more resilient than his terminators!
As much as I love the Battle Sanctum (it is, after all, MOAR TERRAIN!), I really was expecting a SoBfortification, and not just another ruined building.
Retributor superior does indeed look good, as do the arco flagellants (nicely disorderly mob of flesh and tech). Good to see the Pengines/Mortifiers have some poseability. Wonder if there will be enough spare parts in the boxes of those and the Zephyrim to possibly convert the boxset models to the alternative builds.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I wonder if the new big statue has any rule effect, is it the Battle Sanctum from the codex?
Yep, that's it
Well then the super-high floors make it not very convenient for actual gameplay. But sticking some Valorous Heart Retributor squads all over the Sanctum, with one Imagifier with Stoicism and possibly a Canoness with Indomitable belief, seems great fun! You can taunt your opponent that your retributors are more resilient than his terminators!
Also no own los blocking terrain but good firebase for hb retributors. Others suffer range issues
It's a pity the Retributers don't have any sort of suspensor harnesses like the old heavy bolter Sister - that might have provided some explanation for how they can move and fire without penalty.
..the Retributors are okay, i guess. extra wait for the gun piping, which is a solid detail, but Damocles is right, they don't have the old harness anymore, do they?
the Zephryim are just as i expected. i still think them lazy because they are hardlocked to so few options, of which seraphim already had, just in different amounts. crazy banner though. is that the pennant?
as to the Sanctum, i wasn't sure what to expect, but that? that i really didn't see coming. it does look nice, but put onto a random battlefield i... i don't know. first instinct is to say "what kind of sanctum even is this when it feels more like a shrine". then my next thought is to figure out how im gonna transport it. nah, i don't like it much.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's a pity the Retributers don't have any sort of suspensor harnesses like the old heavy bolter Sister - that might have provided some explanation for how they can move and fire without penalty.
ceorron wrote: Retributors and Zephyrims look ace. Zephyrims will be dual kit with Seraphims for certain.
Except GW did say for seraphim "sometime next year" at the same time they mentioned january for general release. So unless that was blunder or silly attempt to hide seraphim comes january indicates they are separate.
(logically dual kit makes sense but gw isn't always logical and there are dual kit wannabes that weren't dual kits after all so...)
18 or 25 will be expensive date(25 on worst case if it's 2 week preorder)
ceorron wrote: Retributors and Zephyrims look ace. Zephyrims will be dual kit with Seraphims for certain.
Except GW did say for seraphim "sometime next year" at the same time they mentioned january for general release. So unless that was blunder or silly attempt to hide seraphim comes january indicates they are separate.
(logically dual kit makes sense but gw isn't always logical and there are dual kit wannabes that weren't dual kits after all so...)
18 or 25 will be expensive date(25 on worst case if it's 2 week preorder)
They’re a dual kit. They share the same legs/bodies between the two options.
Which doesn't quarantee anything. With CAD they can simply slap in all the relevan pieces to new sprue and hey presto you have 2 sprues with shared pieces.
tneva82 wrote: Which doesn't quarantee anything. With CAD they can simply slap in all the relevan pieces to new sprue and hey presto you have 2 sprues with shared pieces.
Have they ever done that before with something like bodies and legs though? With CAD it’s also easy enough to tweak the poses or at least the details on the parts. They’re identical. I don’t see any reason to think they’re anything but a dual kit, tbh.
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