And if you don't think those pods are "functioning as part of my army" just as much as a Basilisk or whatever would ? Well....
With the weapons gone, what actions can you take with the drop pod once it's on the table?
Contest/hold an objective?
How is it going to contest an objective if it can't shoot?
I don't know about you, but I really doubt a unit of soldiers are going to see the harmless drop pod and say "well, looks like we're stuck. That immobile, unarmed hunk of metal is completing impeding our ability to walk over there and secure that area. It's not as if we can just shoot that thing without our own weapons unmolested."
A preacher can at least shoot back and is somewhat a threat.
Sir! Our heavily armed and hovering Valkyrie that is full of weapons can't hold the objective!
I love this place.
Rumours out for the upcoming chaos books, including massive reveals of the Worldeaters (Probably fake but hey ho), but instead of discussing them we have multiple pages of discussion on an updated existing model which will have minimal impact on anything in real terms. Not a complaint, I genuinely find it funny
Doohicky wrote: I love this place.
Rumours out for the upcoming chaos books, including massive reveals of the Worldeaters (Probably fake but hey ho), but instead of discussing them we have multiple pages of discussion on an updated existing model which will have minimal impact on anything in real terms. Not a complaint, I genuinely find it funny
Are there new DG rumors or just the set that included T6 plaguemarines, T7 terminators?
There's an EC Codex scan going around and we can now confirm that between the Codex and WD, neither Combat Patrol nor Boarding Actions roster includes Noise Marines...
Prometheum5 wrote: There's an EC Codex scan going around and we can now confirm that between the Codex and WD, neither Combat Patrol nor Boarding Actions roster includes Noise Marines...
Doohicky wrote: I love this place.
Rumours out for the upcoming chaos books, including massive reveals of the Worldeaters (Probably fake but hey ho), but instead of discussing them we have multiple pages of discussion on an updated existing model which will have minimal impact on anything in real terms. Not a complaint, I genuinely find it funny
This has been the hot topic on various 40k Discords all day. Overall the codex seems to move away from stacking movement bonuses towards long-bomb early charging, and instead opening up a lot more tactical use of reactive moves, consolidation, and moving through obstacles.
As a WE player I'm pretty excited to see several fresh ways to play the faction. The Berzeker & Eightbound themed detachments look solid, and the jakhal one is a fun idea with them running around after a Lord of Skulls to worship it.
But most interesting is the 'goretrack' transport rush detachment. It has lots of new shenanigans like Berzkers jumping out & surging when a Rhino is shot at, or embarking a transport in the fight phase.
A few days late but just saw the article on the new drop pod. Only GW would try to spin the removal of the option of opening/closing drop pods as some sort of a quality of life feature/improvement. If it ever bothered someone they always had the option of gluing them open or closed (whether on purpose or inadvertently due to wanton glue application like a friend did, lol).
Next up, they'll be slapping their own backs on the removal of the boltrifle option bits to avoid confusion on the tabletop and analysis paralysis in army building!
* The rumour engine image is indeed from a Black Templar HQ unit, but he didn't elaborate on what it is.
* He was unaware of Lady Malys, as far as he knows the DE were going to get a multipart/option Archon kit (I wonder if that would fit with the separate rumour from elsewhere that Asurman and Malys were originally intended to be released with a scrapped additional Arks of Omen book and were held back, hence DE getting two character kits).
* "Lots" of Space Marine stuff coming, more than thought.
the very first drop pod model we got was a paper template in white dwarf to cut your own cardboard model and add parts from the imperial guard tank accessory frame
* The rumour engine image is indeed from a Black Templar HQ unit, but he didn't elaborate on what it is.
* He was unaware of Lady Malys, as far as he knows the DE were going to get a multipart/option Archon kit (I wonder if that would fit with the separate rumour from elsewhere that Asurman and Malys were originally intended to be released with a scrapped additional Arks of Omen book and were held back, hence DE getting two character kits).
* "Lots" of Space Marine stuff coming, more than thought.
I know DE need more, don't shoot the messenger.
"Lots of Space Marines, and two Dark Eldar because we forgot to release one of them years ago" unfortunately sounds exactly like 40K is handled usually
* "Lots" of Space Marine stuff coming, more than thought.
What else do Marines need?
Chapter-specific drop pods?
As rumours stood it was special characters for each vanilla chapter, assault termies, drop pods, van vets, multipart outriders and a speeder of some flavour. So if it's more onto of that then it sounds like 11th box content.
* "Lots" of Space Marine stuff coming, more than thought.
What else do Marines need?
nothing, Marines need nothing for 4 Editions now but this doesn't mean they get all new stuff every time simple because they are Marines
and most of the stuff vanishes over time again, because everything they don't need isn't bought as well but just taken either because it comes with the core box or is cheap
Leagues of Votann do, but they're still new.
Space Marines haven't needed new stuff since before Centurions came out. And Primaris is just to phase out the old models, and simplify the range.
Releasing Marine stuff is obviously a good idea. Just look at the amount of discussion it has generated in this thread compared to any other rumours.
They are box office, they generate talk and sales.
I was thinking the other month they've really slowed down the marine releases lately, the upcoming wolves will be big for marine fans. I'm wondering if they'll do primaris devastators any time soon, that would be nice.
Skinnereal wrote: Leagues of Votann do, but they're still new.
Space Marines haven't needed new stuff since before Centurions came out. And Primaris is just to phase out the old models, and simplify the range.
How did Primaris simplify the range? If anything I find Primaris made SM overly complicated and turned them into Eldar with triple the amount of aspect warriors.
The Tactical Marines of old are now split into
two units (normal, heavy Intercessors), the scouts are now split into 6(!) units, one of which is still called Scout (+4 Phobos armoured units, +Eliminators),
Devastators are now about 5 units, some of which can jump around, assault marines are still that.
All of these units have fancy special rules, fancy armours, some can jump, there are no unified weapon profiles anymore, every Primaris weapon is some kind of special Lascannon, special Plasma, special Nerf missile gatling gun and so on.
As someone who doesn't play SM the Primaris range nowadays is totally impenetrable to me, while in earlier times as a CSM Player I could about guess what loyalists do and would only be surprised by some guys that could take plasma cannons when I couldn't, or Long Fangs that were mean cheats.
Platuan4th wrote: They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.
Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.
Platuan4th wrote: They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.
Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.
They would still have "Devastator heavy weapon" as the only equipment and then choose perhaps devastating wounds or lethal hits for flexibility.
Even the havocs would look better with their mandatory mix of weapons.
Platuan4th wrote: They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.
Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.
Eliminators have las weapons, desolators have missile launchers, hellblasters have plasma.
Yeah they kinda have everything covered, dont forget eradicators w multimelta.
I think people dont think of some of those units as "devastators" because the packaging on some of those units isnt "heavy fire support squad". Eliminators arent packaged as heavy units w lascannons, they are stealthy units w las snipers that can shoot holes in tanks
chaos0xomega wrote: Yeah they kinda have everything covered, dont forget eradicators w multimelta.
I think people dont think of some of those units as "devastators" because the packaging on some of those units isnt "heavy fire support squad". Eliminators arent packaged as heavy units w lascannons, they are stealthy units w las snipers that can shoot holes in tanks
They even all use the "Heavy Support Squad" insignia that used to be the "Devastator Squad" emblem and fill the role in Chapter Organization charts.
This could be a 10.5 Marine codex in which to boost sales at the tale end of 10th.
Also, GW would add a couple new pieces for Marines as well as remove the rest of Firstborn items.
It seems there have been a few things they just updated (Terminators and Drop Pod) but drop things like vehicles with the Rhino chasis, , Devastator Marines, Vanguard Vets.
Then, the process replacing all the Marine stuff (and having us buy new) that began in 8th is complete.
Platuan4th wrote: They already do two versions of Primaris Devastators.
Sure, and Reavers were Primaris assault marines and Gravis were termies. I mean real devastators, like they eventually did with real termies & assault marines.
Eliminators have las weapons, desolators have missile launchers, hellblasters have plasma.
What are you wanting them to add exactly?
Just Primaris with the classic devastator silhouette. I haven't kept up with the rules I'm sure they'd have to change or add new (old) unit/weapons to the codex.
For the older editions where First Born were more utilized, they ran into the problem of survivability and points. The only thing the writers could do was drive points down down down. They couldn't make First Born more survivable than the equivalent unit of Primaris, they JUST released a huge new bloated range of miniatures.
The rumors for DG indicate that DG writers have taken the other (imo much better) path. Same minis, much much tankier, better rules, and presumably way fewer models on the table than right now.
I think the world in which we got TruScale marine sprues instead of Primaris bloat (or Primaris armors but following Codex organizational schemes like Tactical, Assault, Dev) would have been better.
Then again, maybe they would have tried to release a Primaris Stalker/Hunter kit or a Primaris fighter craft.
I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.
The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers
Not really apropos of anything, but I’ve recently been pondering the differences between First Born pattern squads (Tactical, Assault, Devastator) and Primaris pattern squads.
The Firstborn, being laid down after the second Founding, were kind of Take all Comers. When out on your patrol, you have to hedge your bets equipment wise. Where last year your campaign was against human traitors, this year it might be Eldar. So it didn’t do to overly specialise your squad’s equipment.
The Primaris ones though? The entire Imperium is on an All Out War Footing, and will be for the foreseeable future. And as you’re more likely to be in a given theatre for extended periods against relatively set foes? You can afford to specialise. And as that equipment is newly minted and issued? You’ve the matériel resources to do so.
James12345 wrote: I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.
The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers
Considering they just showed us primaris Grey Hunters with classic boltguns and gear, they obviously can go that way if they want to.
James12345 wrote: I could see tactical squads returning in the next edition starter box.
The primaris are far superior to firstborn in my eyes. I wish they had just bitten the bullet and done a complete range refresh straight away instead of the bloat we have now, eg with scouts and reivers
Considering they just showed us primaris Grey Hunters with classic boltguns and gear, they obviously can go that way if they want to.
Regardless, intercessors are 9 years old next summer, which by marine standards means it's refresh time more or less.
No Poxwalkers in the DG boxes, good. Lot's of Jakhals for WE though. But then they're more fitting to the legion than grinning zombies or angry birds are - they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.
Dryaktylus wrote: they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.
...or just put Cultists back in.
...the new background for Goremongers even talks about the World Eaters using large numbers of non-Jakhal cultists...
Dryaktylus wrote: they should have revived diseased flagellants for DG and thrall wizard bands for TS as another option, now that normal cultists are gone.
...or just put Cultists back in.
...the new background for Goremongers even talks about the World Eaters using large numbers of non-Jakhal cultists...
Sure - I'd like to see cultists, traitor guard etc. in those codices. But those are not exactly the troops that should appear in the CP or battleforce boxes for CSM legions.
GW is always clever enough to make DG boxes that mix units I still need and stuff I already have plenty of... though since I never bite it's maybe not that clever after all. I'll just get what I want with the usual 20% at some point and won't regret not having to get rid of all the stuff in these boxes I wouldn't need.
The Rhino looks a little sad in that Promotion pic. I hope GW still sells Green stuff to help that poor thing.
GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.
I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.
Lord Damocles wrote: GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.
I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.
That is more or less what WE are getting per the rumors. FWIW, the vehicle detachment seems pretty spicy to me.
Lord Damocles wrote: GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.
I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.
I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.
Doohicky wrote: They pretty much match up with the detailed WE leaked rules don't they?
Not completely, the army rule saw more changes than they allude to in the article.
I reckon this is classic WarCom not thinking about how readers interpret what they say.
What they're trying to say is that the core of the army rule functions in the same way: roll 8 eight dice looking for doubles & triples to activate two abilities. There's a solid chance that the article writer either didn't notice (or didn't even check) if all of those abilities all work in the same way as in the WE index.
there is a very good chance the writer doesn't know 40k at all beyond that it is a model line from the company they work for and the only information they know is what was given to them for the press release
Lord Damocles wrote: GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.
I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.
I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.
Lord Damocles wrote: GW shows such creativity with the Poxwalker detachment, vehicle detachment, daemon detachment, Terminator detachment, we heard you liked plagues so here's more plagues to go with your plagues detachment, and the sticky objectives detachment.
I hope they don't do anything crazy with the World Eaters - I don't know if I can take the excitement of the Jakhal detachment, the vehicle detachment, the Eightbound detachment, the daemon detachment, the even more fighty detachment, and the more angry detachment.
I'm a bit lost as to what you were expecting at this point. To give them an uppie downie detachment (Nurgle that is). The four chaos gods are already a bit pigeon holed, hard to give them more than a couple options that aren't focused on more than a couple of units.
Congratulations on identifying the problem.
And you on proposing a reasonable and balanced solution. Shame GW havent gone that direction. Oh wait. I seem to have confused you with someone else, my apologies.
It's a shame there are only 6 detachments when we had 7 vectorium rules before. I guess a psyker detachment doesn't work in an edition without psykers, especially when you send what is left of former psyker options to legends.
Looks like that confirms the extra toughness on DG. Not a fan of dev wounds on a weapon with lethal hits as lethal hits lowers chances of getting the dev wounds, but suppose it's still something
Doesn't look like the Lord of Poxes fills any niché the DG would lack... it's just another Character in an army full of characters and a special rule that therefore is in competition with at least 8 other character special rules.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: Doesn't look like the Lord of Poxes fills any niché the DG would lack... it's just another Character in an army full of characters and a special rule that therefore is in competition with at least 8 other character special rules.
He is the only beatstick(ish) power armoured character.
No other power armoured model has a ws2+ S8 D2 weapon. All the others hit on 3+ or 4+.
In fact I would say the other power armoured characters are all support characters, none really are much use in CC themselves.
Well, I suppose that may not be true in new codex, maybe the heavy CC weapons have been improved to hit on normal WS.
He is the only beatstick(ish) power armoured character.
No other power armoured model has a ws2+ S8 D2 weapon. All the others hit on 3+ or 4+.
In fact I would say the other power armoured characters are all support characters, none really are much use in CC themselves.
Well, I suppose that may not be true in new codex, maybe the heavy CC weapons have been improved to hit on normal WS.
The ONLY character we have currently that comes close to being a CC 'beatstick' in power armour is, of all things, the Plague Surgeon. The rest just have a measly pokey stick while hes been swinging at damage 2 with decent AP all edition. Would certainly be nice to have the new guy alongside him to have a melee blender in a rhino, but we don't even know if we an double up on characters yet.
BorderCountess wrote: Why is the Lord of Poxes a better fighter than the Slaughterbound?
Because the rest of the WE codex is an elaborate assortment of melee buffs to be layered on top.
Just as one example, a Onebound can be A8 S10 AP-2 D3 on the charge by adding a detachment rule & enhancement, and that's before you trigger his once per game ability or armywide blessings for dev wounds into infantry / lethal / sustained or strats.
BorderCountess wrote: Why is the Lord of Poxes a better fighter than the Slaughterbound?
Because the rest of the WE codex is an elaborate assortment of melee buffs to be layered on top.
Just as one example, a Onebound can be A8 S10 AP-2 D3 on the charge by adding a detachment rule & enhancement, and that's before you trigger his once per game ability or armywide blessings for dev wounds into infantry / lethal / sustained or strats.
For the not-really-melee armies, the best you get is a nice model with a solid statline. When you have a one dimensional all fight phase all the time army, there has to be extra layers to make it work.
A Slaughterbound led unit could for example:
1. Make sure 2 of the easiest to activate blessings are on (6" pile in/consol and fight on death)
2. Charge a unit and pile in as far around them as possible (6" move to play with)
3. Wipe the unit, then consolidate into a nearby unit (6" move to play with)
4. The new unit has to hit you
5. Fight back on death and kill them too (fight back on a 4+ or be in the detachment that has a strat to make it happen without rolling)
6. Slaughterbound regens dead models to let you try it again next turn
Lord of Poxes is neat but he isn't getting close to that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Some random datasheets on Warcom today. Death Korps have had their word salad wargear options tidied up somewhat, and the Chaos Daemons index has had a revamp - seems like only vanilla chaos marines and knights can take index daemon allies now (presumably the specific daemon detachments are now the only access that Death Guard/Thousand Sons/World Eaters can use).
The Lord of Poxes' blade looks like a thunder hammer that hits on two's. I wonder if the Gift of Poxes aura will work when inside a transport.
I like the Slaughterbound's model, but his melee profile should at least have sustained hits. Also, I would much rather have an ability that buffs the whole unit it's leading rather than Possessed Lord.
Some random datasheets on Warcom today. Death Korps have had their word salad wargear options tidied up somewhat, and the Chaos Daemons index has had a revamp - seems like only vanilla chaos marines and knights can take index daemon allies now (presumably the specific daemon detachments are now the only access that Death Guard/Thousand Sons/World Eaters can use).
It would be really nice if GW would announce these updates.
Only thing missing would be the Herald, Chariot, Soulgrinder and Skullcannon.
KDK had no named characters before and now I can take Kharn, Angron, that other guy, and Skarbrand.
I see it as a win.
And before anyone calls me a simp or white knight, I literally could not care less about the competitiveness of the army or the detachment. I won exactly 3 games with the original KDK army and played far more than that.
It's not about winning, it's about running forward like a madman and summoning daemons with the power of "friendship/blood".
The only named character in the OG KDK was Skulltaker, so instead of one there are now four named characters for KDK.
I don't include the Herald mounts as separate units in the numbers because they're not properly separate units. Artificial datasheet inflation is all mounted options are.
And again, I'd given that my previous options for the last 2 editions were not playing the army type at all, I'm pretty happy with it.
Tastyfish wrote:You still get your 25% allied daemons, just those ones aren't going to be Legion of Blood....
Not since the updated Daemon index was quietly released a couple of days ago. Legion of Blood is all there is, no other Daemon ally options exist.
Lathe Biosas wrote:Besides the Daemon issue, are WE going to get better or worse?
Solid side-grade.
The bad-ish news:
1. The loss of army wide advance and charge is big, especially as you still won't be doing anything in the shooting phase.
2. Berzerkers having a minimum unit size of 10 might make them even less present in army lists.
3. Terminators are still just chaos terminators painted red (they even go faster).
4. With less access to Daemons, WE actually have considerably less datasheets (although tbf most of those were not commonly used).
5. Eightbound and mortals are still stealing the show, actual WE space marines are also in this codex from time to time.
6. Mass turn 1 charging with your best units is probably no longer viable.
The good-ish news:
1. The army is still very fast, it just doesn't come from advance and charge anymore - big pile in and consolidate and boosted movement stats across the board will get you where you need to be.
2. Being more likely to be able to consolidate into another unit is a huge boost to the fight on death blessing/Hellbrutes reactive fighting.
3. A max size squad of Berzerkers multi charging into everything possible, consolidating/fighting on death, then blood surging into everything possible seems on brand.
4. The new additions to the army (Slaughterbound and Goremongers) are good looking models with decent rules.
5. Mass turn 1 charging is still an option, except it now involves mostly weaker units than before.
Tastyfish wrote: You still get your 25% allied daemons, just those ones aren't going to be Legion of Blood....
The Index was updated so that only 'pure' Chaos Marine armies can ally with daemons. However, the Community article does say "Just like the Emperor’s Children before them, mortal champions can entreat daemonic allies, and every Codex includes a detachment that lets you field them in greater numbers."
I mean, technically running daemons at all is indeed greater numbers than the zero that other detachments have access to, but it sure does imply that the demon detachment is on top of some standard daemon allying rule.
Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!
warl0rdb0b wrote: Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!
Its interesting reading the DG leaks.
Because so many abilities read as "this causes/benefits from afflicted - and so presumably that's a big thing".
But... with any fast army getting a model into 3"/6"/9" really isn't that difficult - or at least not outside the first turn. I guess DG footslogging lists perhaps can't guarantee that as easily though.
warl0rdb0b wrote: Looking like the Death Guard rumours are at least reasonably accurate, the 6 inch DS for Deathshroud is confirmed when dropping near to Afflicted units, so going to interesting to see the different ways we get to cause that to trigger. Also, 4 wounds per Deathshroud now, which is nice!
The entire codex is leaked. I can link it here if that is allowed?
There are so many ways to afflict models through strats, enhancements, unit abilities and strats.
Gert wrote: God forbid anyone ever be happy at all right guys?
I mean that would just be terrible if someone wanted to get back into 40k gaming because something they've been wanting came back.
I mean, you could already play World Eaters allied with the Index Daemons in tenth edition, and this new Codex trims the options from that a tad. All that is really returning is the name.
Wow looks like the Death Guard Combat Patrol sold out in AUSTRALIA before it even went online! (From 3rd party supplier stores). I expected the battle Force box to sell out but yeah well anyway ok that takes care of those plans lol.
lost_lilliputian wrote: Wow looks like the Death Guard Combat Patrol sold out in AUSTRALIA before it even went online! (From 3rd party supplier stores). I expected the battle Force box to sell out but yeah well anyway ok that takes care of those plans lol.
Does GW not like Australia? It seems like you guys get shafted all the time.
Nonsense. The box isn't even up for preorder today.
It's great value with popular models, meaning they are a target for resellers. Most likely they are just limiting pre-orders so regulars can get their boxes.
Pandemic sadly created a whole new (and rather large) scalper wave that targeted loads of firms. Even niches like Warhammer get hit by them.
At the same time popular sets that are one-off discount sets do naturally sell out well anyway. Esp since GW moved away from the double army into the single army ones. It's why a good many 3rd party stores often start to limit them per customer as well.
It's not just scalpers its "I'll buy two or three and have all the options I'll ever need" customers (ergo probably a good percentage of regular Dakka users!). If every customer you have goes and buys two of something suddenly you've half as many customers that you can sell finite stock too.
We also know that GW will hold back stock for retail and I've also got a feeling that they have been experimenting with staggering on the webstore too. Putting a bunch out at 10am launch time (local) and then a second wave at a somewhat random time later.
selling out at 3rd parties before the official pre-order starts is nothing new
this is more or less because shops get noticed in advance on how many copies they will get and give this information to returning customers first or have waiting lists to work around scalpers
problem is still low supply from GW for retailers to push their own online shop
It's not just scalpers its "I'll buy two or three and have all the options I'll ever need" customers (ergo probably a good percentage of regular Dakka users!). If every customer you have goes and buys two of something suddenly you've half as many customers that you can sell finite stock too.
Hadn't seen the stealth update to Daemons on Wednesday, also apparently some update to Eldar Legends and Death Korp - but not familiar enough with either to see what.
Jidmah wrote: Nonsense. The box isn't even up for preorder today.
What do you mean, Jid? Both of the boxes for both DG & WE went up for pre-order today, going by GW's UK site.
Correct, apparently I'm the one spouting nonsense. For some reason preorders went up much later for Germany than they usually do, so I assumed they would be coming out next week.
When I re-checked at noon, both boxes were sold at all the stores I usually order from, some also sold out of data cards and dice.
The DG box is just about perfect, so not really surprised its been swept from the shelves. Its probably a £40~ discount per box with usual FLGS discounts.
You can argue that multiple Lord of Poxes might be pushing it, in which case the saving is about £20. Which isn't so hot.
Not so sure its an issue of Scalpers. I mean this isn't obviously to me a scenario where you buy up copies of the Lion (will people do this with Fulgrim perhaps?) and then shove them on ebay for 3 times the price. But with the possible caveat of that Lord of Poxes issue, you could probably buy all the boxes and slowly distribute them out on ebay for a reasonable profit.
If you were starting or expanding a DG army though its hard to go wrong with this range of units.
Only ways its bad is if you already have 6 or more blight haulers (2 modeks per unit now in case you missed it) or 3 PBCs , which probably describes a lot of DG players
chaos0xomega wrote: Only ways its bad is if you already have 6 or more blight haulers (2 modeks per unit now in case you missed it) or 3 PBCs , which probably describes a lot of DG players
Quite a few players also have maxed out on blightlords or at least have more than they would reasonably field. And let's not forget that many people have converted Chaos Lords which are now being re-used as lords of poxes. It's a great box for starting or reselling, not so much for players who started with dark imperium.
The combat patrol on the other hand... can't wait for it to come back in stock.
Yeah the CP is great, the rhino is a letdown but ill use those w my canilla csm army and buy some deimos rhinos to use w/the DG (and sex them up a but w some nurgle and dg upgrade bits).
One amusing bit I noticed is the fluff text decribes it as containing a "powerful" rhino, which makes me think that whoever they have writing this stuff has no idea what a rhino is nor have they ever played 40k.
chaos0xomega wrote: Yeah the CP is great, the rhino is a letdown but ill use those w my canilla csm army and buy some deimos rhinos to use w/the DG (and sex them up a but w some nurgle and dg upgrade bits).
One amusing bit I noticed is the fluff text decribes it as containing a "powerful" rhino, which makes me think that whoever they have writing this stuff has no idea what a rhino is nor have they ever played 40k.
or it originally had something else, and when they swapped it to the rhino they just did a find&replace
No releases this week, but the last line of the Sunday article is “Does anyone hear howls upon the icy winds?” so I assume next week is going to be Space Wolves.
The new vampire stuff is basically all regular release for AoS.
Warcry itself feels like its stalled. Honestly my impression is that its going to be removed as a product and replaced with something else that fills a similar slot, but which isn't at its core built around chaos vs chaos. It might also come with GW reworking how the kits for it function and interact with AoS. One issue with Warcry is that models would have different weapons and base sizes and yet in AoS they'd be "one unit" profiles. It either had things looking messy as a unit or had lots of multiple sub-profiles that just made them more workload to run than they should.
I feel like GW might be rebranding and building something that's basically like Killteam for 40K - regular infantry packs that get skirmish rpg level rules. Thus taking a bit of flare from the smaller game, but making it work seamlessly with the core larger game.
Overread wrote: ... you mean soulblight right - howls from the undead and dragons.. not wolfies, couldn't be wolves
I mean, yes please? I’m game for that personally, but was not my first thought.
I need the vampire on skeletal steed real bad, but figured we just got the launch box, so it’s probably going to be a month for the full release.
Since the howling bit is in the part that talks about what's on Warhammer Community this week, I assume we'll get another model reveal for Space Woofs. GW said that there are more models for them than what was shown at Adepticon.
LunarSol wrote: Those are all fantastic. Mjolnir is a little silly, but optionally silly.
Agreed, they're some lovely looking models, along with the rest of the range that was already previewed. Its not my army, so its not really a big concern for me but Arjax and his silly hammer could have ended up in the bin without me shedding any tears. I'm happy that the santa sleigh is gone though
Looking at the range as a whole I do wonder if we'll ever see a decent set of releases for White Scars, the two chapters step on each others' toes in a multitude of ways. Animal iconography, furs, birds, a focus on assault, stormseers, runes etc all seem like big areas of overlapping design space.
Njal looks like he is still wearing terminator arms. There is something off on the proportions I think. I might also avoid the little knives on guys armed with twin lightning claws
Otherwise, what a great looking load of angry beardies
So Wolf Guard now come in either power armour with axe/sword and shield (or axe/sword) or Terminator armour with... axe/sword and shield (or storm bolter).
Really great release for the wolves so far (if you look beyond the horrible painting style the sudio provide).
I have spent years rebuilding my space wolves in no-nonsense primaris style, I just start getting some wolf bling cravings.
Nice to see them going back to the really old power armour Njal, but the terminator Njal is simply one of my most favourite 40k models, so Im not really impressed.
They are all a massive improvement on their current/previous models.
Saying that...
I'm not a fan of some of the leg poses, they look awkward. This is something that I've noticed with some of the Emperor's Children releases too, many of the legs are splayed wide, like the designer is desperate to fill the width of the base.
as a SW player, none of those really gets me exited
yeah, finally true scale SW models, but except for the size not really different enough or so much better that I am gonna replace my current models with them
First new release in a long time that's made me think for a second "Hey maybe I would like that army!" despite the scale change with the rest of my collection. Grimnir in particular is a great model, just oozing atmosphere like the absolute best GW models can do at times.
Quixote wrote: I was on the GW Store site when ai noticed that Lieutenant Titus was available for Pre Order
(Pre-orders ship on or after launch day 5/10/2025).
Is he really that popular that people will spend 42 bucks for his glue free model from the Space Marine Adventures game?
Everyone is just so starved for Space Marine Lieutenant models.
Terminator Armour never fits normally as the head was below the shoulders or the neck in a 90° forward, this is just the most recent "lore" on why the proportions for the armour doesn't git and with the SW models they somehow stick with it instead of making normal one (like the previous version)
On one hand, the new kits all look good- more detail and leaning into more viking and berserker look than werewolves and wolves as horses. On the other, 2 seperate kits for basic troops, 2 variants of wolf guard, and 5 characters so far makes this a bigger release than EC except for fulgrim
MajorWesJanson wrote: On one hand, the new kits all look good- more detail and leaning into more viking and berserker look than werewolves and wolves as horses. On the other, 2 seperate kits for basic troops, 2 variants of wolf guard, and 5 characters so far makes this a bigger release than EC except for fulgrim
MajorWesJanson wrote: On one hand, the new kits all look good- more detail and leaning into more viking and berserker look than werewolves and wolves as horses. On the other, 2 seperate kits for basic troops, 2 variants of wolf guard, and 5 characters so far makes this a bigger release than EC except for fulgrim
Russ confirmed?
No need with all the shiny new kits. And right after a different primarch.
Next edition Legions of the Damned supplement lead by Ferus Manus maybe?
MajorWesJanson wrote: On one hand, the new kits all look good- more detail and leaning into more viking and berserker look than werewolves and wolves as horses. On the other, 2 seperate kits for basic troops, 2 variants of wolf guard, and 5 characters so far makes this a bigger release than EC except for fulgrim
Russ confirmed?
No need with all the shiny new kits. And right after a different primarch.
Next edition Legions of the Damned supplement lead by Ferus Manus maybe?
LOL, I know you are joking, but please don't tease me with that, as it would be epic as heck.
I think Russ is unlikely at this point, as I'm sure his model would have been leaked or rules seen by some rumormonger. However, he MIGHT possibly be linked to a campaign instead? Four Chaos Primarchs to two loyalists is a bit unbalanced, and there are only so many loyalists they could pull out and Space wolves are one of the BIG named chapters. I mean, what are the other options? A daemon-like Corvus Corax that is part shadow (which actually would be cool, but low player base), or Vulkan that has finally healed and gotten therapy for his mental issues?
MajorWesJanson wrote: On one hand, the new kits all look good- more detail and leaning into more viking and berserker look than werewolves and wolves as horses. On the other, 2 seperate kits for basic troops, 2 variants of wolf guard, and 5 characters so far makes this a bigger release than EC except for fulgrim
Russ confirmed?
No need with all the shiny new kits. And right after a different primarch.
Next edition Legions of the Damned supplement lead by Ferus Manus maybe?
LOL, I know you are joking, but please don't tease me with that, as it would be epic as heck.
I think Russ is unlikely at this point, as I'm sure his model would have been leaked or rules seen by some rumormonger. However, he MIGHT possibly be linked to a campaign instead? Four Chaos Primarchs to two loyalists is a bit unbalanced, and there are only so many loyalists they could pull out and Space wolves are one of the BIG named chapters. I mean, what are the other options? A daemon-like Corvus Corax that is part shadow (which actually would be cool, but low player base), or Vulkan that has finally healed and gotten therapy for his mental issues?
Russ coming with an end of edition narrative thing ala Lion is very on form.
Dysartes wrote: Having seen the Space Wolf sculpts, is anyone else wondering who in the Studio really doesn't like the Blood Angels?
I look at the SW minis and it feels like they let the sigmar sculptors loose for once. It has that dark intensity and gentle ability to reinvent the wheel that 40k releases rarely have these days.
Funny, I actually really liked the power armored reveals they did of the Wolves, to point I was thinking of grabbing some, but these Terminator ones just look...not that great to me. GW feels all over the place with Terminator armor, sometimes they seem to actually work a bit to fix the insane proportions of arms popping out of ears, and then the next terminator kit brings it back. Like man, maybe I gaslit myself into thinking otherwise, but I swear the new generic Terminators mostly fixed the proportion issues.
The new Wolf Terminators are surely built off the basic CAD bucks for the updated Terminator kit and the proportions seem to match. I think they look great but I wonder how flexible the kit will be. I don't need to collect SW but I'd love to make a Space Hulk/Boarding Actions force.
Here's hoping they don't invalidate too many squad weapon combos. I REALLY hope it isn't a case of "one guy can upgrade a power weapon to a fist", or "all the guys can trade their power weapon and storm bolter for lightning claws". I want mixed squads dang nabbit, preferably with the option of Cyclone/dual claws.
cuda1179 wrote: Here's hoping they don't invalidate too many squad weapon combos. I REALLY hope it isn't a case of "one guy can upgrade a power weapon to a fist", or "all the guys can trade their power weapon and storm bolter for lightning claws". I want mixed squads dang nabbit, preferably with the option of Cyclone/dual claws.
Dudeface wrote: I look at the SW minis and it feels like they let the sigmar sculptors loose for once. It has that dark intensity and gentle ability to reinvent the wheel that 40k releases rarely have these days.
I think that nails it - at least as far as the character models are concerned. The best of these new Space Wolves look like the artwork - something WH40k minis rarely achieve.
cuda1179 wrote: Here's hoping they don't invalidate too many squad weapon combos. I REALLY hope it isn't a case of "one guy can upgrade a power weapon to a fist", or "all the guys can trade their power weapon and storm bolter for lightning claws". I want mixed squads dang nabbit, preferably with the option of Cyclone/dual claws.
Going from the article my assumption is you have the Pack leader with either claws or that axe, stormcannon guy fixed with fist and three other Termis with Power weapons and either bolter or shield. Hammers and Cyclone launcher seem to be gone entirely. So, your squad HAS to be mixed basically.
vipoid wrote: Surely I can't be the only one who thinks it looks like someone put this guy's head in the wrong place?
Spoiler:
He has the proportions of the new terminators, which is to say better than they used to be, but not really realistic. He's also leaning forward, which additionally shifts his head lower relative to the arms.
There's no primaris terminators, the terminator armour is adjustable for any height of Space Marine.
Eh, we're about to the point where the idea of the rubicon surgery is going to be a footnote anyway. That whole fluff just exists to justify older kits until all the resculpts were complete. Marines are just primaris height now, regardless of how old they are.
Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model(s) they may be getting? Keeping my fingers crossed for Vect on Dias, but wouldn't be surprised if it's Court of the Archon.
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model they may be getting?
When are the Dork Eldar supposed to get a new Codex?
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model they may be getting?
When are the Dork Eldar supposed to get a new Codex?
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model they may be getting?
When are the Dork Eldar supposed to get a new Codex?
Not for a LONG time. First we have Death Guard, World Eaters, Space Wolves, 1000 Sons, Crusade book, Space Marines 2, Grey Knights, Knights, Chaos Knights. After that, perhaps Votan, but DE might be before Votan.
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model they may be getting?
When are the Dork Eldar supposed to get a new Codex?
Not for a LONG time. First we have Death Guard, World Eaters, Space Wolves, 1000 Sons, Crusade book, Space Marines 2, Grey Knights, Knights, Chaos Knights. After that, perhaps Votan, but DE might be before Votan.
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model(s) they may be getting? Keeping my fingers crossed for Vect on Dias, but wouldn't be surprised if it's Court of the Archon.
We also really need Master & Beasts and Grotesques. Those plus the Court, an Archon and Malys would be a big deal.
Don't sell your release short - you're also getting a mace, and Malibu Stacy's new hat...
As for cuda's list of books to come out - we know when the first two will drop, as they're up for pre-order now. If they're willing to pair "small release" Codexes, then I wouldn't rule out a weekend where both 1k Sons & GK get released together.
Space Wolves will need a launch box weekend as well as a main release weekend; Crusade books have a habit of popping up alongside other releases.
I could see the Woof release box going up for pre-order mid-May, with the 'dex side of things being mid-June. If they do a paired release for GK & 1k Sons in July, suddenly the release schedule for the rest of the year looks a lot more open for DE (and Votann, and anyone else who ain't got a book yet that I'm forgetting) - though some clarity as to what this other SM release is would be nice.
cuda1179 wrote: Dark Eldar rumors/confirmations. From Valrak: Looks like someone got a reply from GW themselves about the Lady Malys. They confirmed she IS in the codex, and there are more DE models (that's plural) to go with her.
I thought GW would give DE the short stick here and just have 1-2 characters. However, three character models and nothing else would be a bit weird. There is a rumor of a multi-part Archon with weapons options, but what is the third (or possibly more) model they may be getting?
When are the Dork Eldar supposed to get a new Codex?
Not for a LONG time. First we have Death Guard, World Eaters, Space Wolves, 1000 Sons, Crusade book, Space Marines 2, Grey Knights, Knights, Chaos Knights. After that, perhaps Votan, but DE might be before Votan.
Squats showed up on the roadmap, and Dark Eldar didn't. That seems to suggest that Squats would be first among those two.
Don't sell your release short - you're also getting a mace, and Malibu Stacy's new hat...
As for cuda's list of books to come out - we know when the first two will drop, as they're up for pre-order now. If they're willing to pair "small release" Codexes, then I wouldn't rule out a weekend where both 1k Sons & GK get released together.
Space Wolves will need a launch box weekend as well as a main release weekend; Crusade books have a habit of popping up alongside other releases.
I could see the Woof release box going up for pre-order mid-May, with the 'dex side of things being mid-June. If they do a paired release for GK & 1k Sons in July, suddenly the release schedule for the rest of the year looks a lot more open for DE (and Votann, and anyone else who ain't got a book yet that I'm forgetting) - though some clarity as to what this other SM release is would be nice.
Why do you keep grabbing my quote about Nicholas Cage films and applying it to everything?
Lathe Biosas wrote: I should probably do a little research, but wherever Nicholas Cage and the Wicker Man are, I'd rather not be(e).
Back on topic, why have we seen more rumors about the Dark Eldar recently than other factions that were closer to release?
Back on topic, why have we seen more rumors about the Dark Eldar recently than other factions that were closer to release?
Was this a mistake or intentional, do you think?
Seems like a pretty simple explanation is that:
a) Malys (and Asurmen) were originally produced to release with Arks of Omen, but were cancelled
b) A GW studio staffer got a pre-release copy of the model (they often get lots of free models)
c) The model was eventually sold on when this staffer needed some cash.
Given how it was reported to be sold alongside lots of older kits new on sprues, it was probably a mistake.
BorderCountess wrote: Squats showed up on the roadmap, and Dark Eldar didn't. That seems to suggest that Squats would be first among those two.
Given how Imperial Knights got leapfrogged from their position on an earlier roadmap, I'd say there are no guarantees anymore, even of something as simple as order of release.
Necroagogo wrote: Anyone remember that big terrain MTO they ran back in December? Just got the shipping notification from GW for my Sector Imperialis objectives.
I do hope that GW are not just throwing in more Questoris-pattern Knights without addressing the lack of House troops. If they can't find the time and resources to do it then just put the profiles for Skiitari Rangers and Chaos Cultists in the respective codex books and be done with it.
SamusDrake wrote: I do hope that GW are not just throwing in more Questoris-pattern Knights without addressing the lack of House troops. If they can't find the time and resources to do it then just put the profiles for Skiitari Rangers and Chaos Cultists in the respective codex books and be done with it.
My God I would love that. The grotmas detachment kinda loses value when you're supposed to buy a 2nd codex for it.
SamusDrake wrote: I do hope that GW are not just throwing in more Questoris-pattern Knights without addressing the lack of House troops. If they can't find the time and resources to do it then just put the profiles for Skiitari Rangers and Chaos Cultists in the respective codex books and be done with it.
My God I would love that. The grotmas detachment kinda loses value when you're supposed to buy a 2nd codex for it.
Particularly when you recognize that their non-inclusion in the codex makes it unlikely that GW will support the option beyond the life of the current edition
