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Post by: Kroothawk
Added 22nd September:
zhangyi over at Warseer wrote:so it's clear now, that DE will be released during two months. October we will have warrior, witch elves, blood throne, Kharibdyss (dont know what is it), and a plastic shadowblade.
as we can see GW has put bg, chariot and dark riders to next month along with innocence (the 40K table game,i'm 95% certain that it will be in November). for good reason we can split our money to two months. that's really kind.
Emphasis by me.
Hi,
minor update from a Spanish Blog on the 2013 Mystery Box, that seems not to be Bloodbowl:
http://www.misolvidadasfiguras.es/2013/08/inquisition-para-octubre.html
(translation by Rickyard over at faeit212):
It was confirmed in Games Day that it was going to be a skirmish game based in Warhammer 40k universe, no other details given.
By the last things I read (and sure I have missed some entry), it was discussed to be released about the end of september but last thing I got confirmed, and I quote: excluding a disaster the october launch will be a warhammer 40k skirmish boxed game called Inquisition. I don't have any other detail about the game or the minis that will be included, but it seems that they will be 28 mm. and not like Inquisitor scale models. I am personally charmed that they are Inquisitors so I will expand my collection.
So they are leaving the new Space Marine release for september (don't know if it will be still any mini left to be known a month before its release) and for october.
As a reminder, here the old rumour by TastyTaste over at BoK:
Rumor Has It: Blood Bowl isn’t coming, but no one expects the…
Posted by TastyTaste on Jul 15, 2013
Well we are closing in on that time of year again. The time of year when people start to wonder what little surprise Games Workshop is going to pull out of their hat for a special limited release. If GW keeps their every other year track record you can expect something.
Everyone and their mother claims it will be Bloodbowl 2013, sadly I have news for you it ain't coming. Besides Games Workshop licenses Bloodbowl out to any 3rd-party developer who can write a check; Blood Bowl was just one of those rumors that makes sense to a fan-boi, but not (remember Dreadfleet) Games Workshop. Speaking of misfires Games Workshop cannot afford to take random risks. Now, GW has consolidated (killing off specialists games) there IPs, they are turning to making new products.
With a lust for a Space Hulk type gravy train GW will return to what makes them the most money: the Warhammer 40k universe.
So, what is up GW's sleeve?
GW is about to enter the skirmish scene with the release of
Warhammer 40k: Inquisition
Inquisition is designed for 2-4 players and each side will use custom cards and dice. Army sizes consist of about 5-10 models per side. A whole new set of models drawn from Blanche artwork will accompany. The game should be flexible as you can make and design your own Inquisitorial retinue. As for rules complexity that is anyone's guess, but the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.
Beyond that GW, seems to be taking cues from Kickstarter projects like Sedition Wars and home-brewed rules like Inq28 for Inquisitor. This also might not end up as a limited edition run, but that all depends on sales, and if any support is continued will be done through digital expansions and updates.
As it is that is all I have for now, but if my sources hold true expect more information as it comes!
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Post by: sennacherib
Interesting. Looking forward to seeing how this all pans out.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I hope the minis are nice. I don't mind monopose, since you don't tend to *I think* spam inquisitorial retinues in a list.
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Post by: Alpharius
This could be awesome...
This SHOULD be awesome...
C'mon GW, don't let us down! 
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Post by: BrookM
I'm still pretty stoked about this. 
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Post by: Mr. Burning
consider my interest piqued. Hopefully the rules will be adequate to tweak for skirmish gaming in the grimdark universe.
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Post by: Azreal13
I can't be unhappy when something I posted in a "what's wrong with GW" thread months ago as something I would implement if I was in charge comes to pass.
Now GW, don't let me down, get behind it and exploit its full potential, don't just go "here's a thing what we did, buy it now!" and abandon it like you normally do.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
How about.....
Our new Inquisitor box game is set in a backward world full of mutants who live in underground cities,
Isolated and alone disguised Inquisitor Bilbo Baggins and his servitors (disguised as short humanoids native to the world) battle to survive and impose the emperors will
(you guessed it this is just a way to re-use the countless millions of unsold Hobbit box sets with some hastily re-written rules)
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
Would it be possible that they'd make the game to the same scale as 40k. It'd really allow for some nice conversion options and such.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Oddly this has me more excited than for a Blood Bowl anniversary release, never expected that.
Hopefully they'll be more to it than a skirmish game ala Space Hulk, squad advancement of any kind via games will drag me fully into it.
Wallet's not happy mind, with this, and rumoured Druchii, Orks and Imperial Guard within the next six months-ish.. going to be a costly period.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Might not be limited edition? That's just crazy talk, it makes too much sense!
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Post by: BrookM
But it would be great news, in a not so sarcastic way for once.
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Post by: tastytaste
 Kroothawk wrote:Hi,
minor update from a Spanish Blog on the 2013 Mystery Box, that seems not to be Bloodbowl:
http://www.misolvidadasfiguras.es/2013/08/inquisition-para-octubre.html
(translation by Rickyard over at faeit212):
It was confirmed in Games Day that it was going to be a skirmish game based in Warhammer 40k universe, no other details given.
By the last things I read (and sure I have missed some entry), it was discussed to be released about the end of september but last thing I got confirmed, and I quote: excluding a disaster the october launch will be a warhammer 40k skirmish boxed game called Inquisition. I don't have any other detail about the game or the minis that will be included, but it seems that they will be 28 mm. and not like Inquisitor scale models. I am personally charmed that they are Inquisitors so I will expand my collection.
So they are leaving the new Space Marine release for september (don't know if it will be still any mini left to be known a month before its release) and for october.
As a reminder, here the old rumour by TastyTaste over at BoK:
Rumor Has It: Blood Bowl isn’t coming, but no one expects the…
Posted by TastyTaste on Jul 15, 2013
Well we are closing in on that time of year again. The time of year when people start to wonder what little surprise Games Workshop is going to pull out of their hat for a special limited release. If GW keeps their every other year track record you can expect something.
Everyone and their mother claims it will be Bloodbowl 2013, sadly I have news for you it ain't coming. Besides Games Workshop licenses Bloodbowl out to any 3rd-party developer who can write a check; Blood Bowl was just one of those rumors that makes sense to a fan-boi, but not (remember Dreadfleet) Games Workshop. Speaking of misfires Games Workshop cannot afford to take random risks. Now, GW has consolidated (killing off specialists games) there IPs, they are turning to making new products.
With a lust for a Space Hulk type gravy train GW will return to what makes them the most money: the Warhammer 40k universe.
So, what is up GW's sleeve?
GW is about to enter the skirmish scene with the release of
Warhammer 40k: Inquisition
Inquisition is designed for 2-4 players and each side will use custom cards and dice. Army sizes consist of about 5-10 models per side. A whole new set of models drawn from Blanche artwork will accompany. The game should be flexible as you can make and design your own Inquisitorial retinue. As for rules complexity that is anyone's guess, but the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.
Beyond that GW, seems to be taking cues from Kickstarter projects like Sedition Wars and home-brewed rules like Inq28 for Inquisitor. This also might not end up as a limited edition run, but that all depends on sales, and if any support is continued will be done through digital expansions and updates.
As it is that is all I have for now, but if my sources hold true expect more information as it comes!
Thanks for reposting Kroothawk I still don't understand why the first post was ever closed in the first placed....
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Post by: squall018
This sounds pretty great, especially if they are gonna use the 28mm scale. Hope it isn't limited, but I have a feeling I will be picking it up one way or another.
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Post by: jah-joshua
well, if it is following Space Hulk and Dreadfleet, it is bound to be a one-time deal...
if it is, i'm poised for pre-order...
if it's not, i can wait a while...
either way, i'm ready for some cool Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Nut's Chiropractor
I hope this is true and I certainly hope GW pulls out all the stops. Bloodbowl was never my cup of tea (the rules are brilliantly designed but the concept never tickled my fancy) but I -adore- the look and feel of the Inquisition and would like to see a decent 40K skirmish game (that's still supported with up-to-date rules, unlike Necromunda). I am cautiously hopeful.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I'm typing this from my fridge. This is the only location in the house where I do not run the risk of spontaneously bursting into flames at the thought of 28mm Inquisitor.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
 Alpharius wrote:This could be awesome...
This SHOULD be awesome...
C'mon GW, don't let us down!
You haven't seen the Centurions, have you? 
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Post by: Oaka
I can dream:
Inquisition the Game will include miniatures for new Xenos races (Hrud, Demiurg, etc.), as more radical Inquisitors tend to allow them, as well as adding some different models to existing Xenos (Kroot, Jokaero, etc.).
These new sculpts will then be expanded for the Codex: Allies supplement due out next year.
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Post by: dienekes96
Dare to dream. I'm quite excited for this slice of 40k.
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Post by: Oaka
If I were in charge of marketing, I would certainly release a limited edition Jokaero and Kroot model with the game to pique the interest of Grey Knights and Tau players.
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Post by: Shadox
This will be sold out so fast 
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Post by: ph34r
Sounds amazing. If the models are good this will be the first GW yearly special that I buy into.
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Post by: Happygrunt
If it isn't limited release I will be sold. If not, I will still buy it, but I will not be as happy.
With this and IG rumored for November, this is going to an expensive couple of months.
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
Honestly, if GW gives this game updates and supports it like it supports 40k/Fantasy, I'd snatch it up. I totally love the 40k universe, but I just can't afford an army.
~Tim?
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Post by: overtyrant
Eh no, when the game basically just ends up either stalling or caging and extremely unbalanced teams it does not suggest that the rules were brilliantly designed.
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Post by: notprop
So inquisition 28mm we heard but not limited?
So a fantastic (we hope) boxed game to start and i guess is a giant robot second wave for every Ordo.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
YES! YES! YES! 
I truly hoped the previous rumours were true, fantastic! A quick 40k skirmish game is what I need to introduce this wonderful universe to more people and see if I can share and explain why I think this is all so awesome!
*BRO-FISTS* EVERYONE!
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Post by: Ecarhil
Looking forward to it.
Btw every month we got a new realease and that is just wonderful. 
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Post by: Nut's Chiropractor
overtyrant wrote:
Eh no, when the game basically just ends up either stalling or caging and extremely unbalanced teams it does not suggest that the rules were brilliantly designed.
Well I can't say I'm an expert as I only played a few games, the rules seemed very fun and the games ran incredibly smoothly. I dunno, I've never been a competitive player (of any system) and I don't have a great eye for rules but from my (extremely limited) experience they seemed incredibly fun, just not something I'm really into. I suppose 'brilliant' might of been hyperbole...
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Anyway, this topic ain't about Bloodbowl so I best stay on topic.
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Post by: Fafnir
GW, you now have my attention for the first time in over a year. Don't screw this up.
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Post by: Ironwill13791
I will definitely be interested in getting this. Damn. This, and C:SM are going to kill my wallet 7 different ways. I still have stuff for my CD and DA to get too. WHHHHYYYYYY.
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Post by: Brother SRM
I loved this when I first heard this rumor, I love it now. I just hope it won't be limited not so much for myself, but for everyone else. I'm gonna get it as soon as it comes out, no doubt about it, but I'd like to find people to play with or get more models down the line if they're as nice as I'm expecting.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
About 2 or 3 years too late for me to buy in, but good news nonetheless.
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Post by: Coyote81
I really hope there are Deathwatch models in this game. If there are I will transform my entire space marine army into Deathwatch! Burn the Xenos!
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Post by: kestral
I really hope this involves models that are unique and more interesting than the basic 40K ranges. This could be the first time I buy a stupidly expensive thing from GW.
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Post by: master sheol
i dont know if this box will be true or not...
but i cant really beleive that GW that is closing Specialist games will make a new skirmish game just after having closed Necromunda...
If this boxed game will be true i expect a limited edition boardgame... something like a Inquisitorial version of Star Quest...
My 2 cents
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Post by: Brother SRM
 Coyote81 wrote:I really hope there are Deathwatch models in this game. If there are I will transform my entire space marine army into Deathwatch! Burn the Xenos!
Well, if it's a skirmish game, I think converting an entire army might be a bit much! Considering a single 1-3 Marines in Necromunda could probably obliterate an entire gang, I wouldn't expect to see more than a handful, if that.
master sheol wrote:i dont know if this box will be true or not...
but i cant really beleive that GW that is closing Specialist games will make a new skirmish game just after having closed Necromunda...
If this boxed game will be true i expect a limited edition boardgame... something like a Inquisitorial version of Star Quest...
My 2 cents
I think it's believable that they'd want to just cut everything and start over fresh. Sucks since I love Necromunda, but not surprising.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
kestral wrote:I really hope this involves models that are unique and more interesting than the basic 40K ranges. This could be the first time I buy a stupidly expensive thing from GW.
Looooook at the dark vengeance plastics. The plastic potential is near limitless. Feeeeeel the desire coursing through you. Now pick up your Wallet. SPEND, and your journey to the dark side will be complete!
I'm in.
I even pledge to paint it all within one week of purchase! 
Under this window!
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Post by: tastytaste
master sheol wrote:i dont know if this box will be true or not...
but i cant really beleive that GW that is closing Specialist games will make a new skirmish game just after having closed Necromunda...
If this boxed game will be true i expect a limited edition boardgame... something like a Inquisitorial version of Star Quest...
My 2 cents
This is the same thing said when folks thought their was no way Allies were going to be allowed in 6th. I think this makes the best sense start from scratch use the new plastic models and go from there.
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Post by: infinite_array
 Fafnir wrote:GW, you now have my attention for the first time in over a year. Don't screw this up.
My sentiments exactly. If the game can be played as an enjoyable skirmish game that's capable of using the swiss-cheese 40k terrain that nearly every gamestore has (and that Infinity is basically incapable of using), I may buy into this game.
And that's from a guy who's been GW free for about 3 years now.
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Post by: Harriticus
My guess is GW will be destroying remaining copies of these by December.
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Post by: Moopy
They keep toying with skirmish games and keep abandoning them. It's like they're trying to quit smoking and relapsing.
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
 Harriticus wrote:My guess is GW will be destroying remaining copies of these by December.
Still bitter about Dreadfleet?
~Tim?
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Post by: sennacherib
Harriticus wrote:My guess is GW will be destroying remaining copies of these by December.
They didn't manage to destroy the remaining copies of that Gem the published by the name of Dreadfleet. I have seen several copies of that for sale recently.
*** Doh. Ninja'd.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Harriticus wrote:My guess is GW will be destroying remaining copies of these by December.
If it has 40k scaled minis that could be used in 40k/Necromunda/Inq28 in any way whatsoever, it'll sell like hotcakes. Rumor has it that that's kind of the point, so it'll sell.
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Post by: Sidstyler
But only an extremely limited number, to a few thousand people worldwide, and then never again.
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Post by: xruslanx
I think the thinking is that veterans will be attracted to it, because the models will be compatable with their existing collections, and that newcomers will be attracted to 40k, since they'll already have some models in the box set that they can use in the "main game".
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Post by: IceRapture
I'm definitely interested.
Now I just need to pray for a Ravenor model.
Please please please please......
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Post by: Fafnir
I would hope that the kits are diverse enough and the rules open enough to encourage lots of customization and diversity. Give us some basic frames for our Inquisitors and their entourages, and then let us go crazy putting them together. That would get me all hot and bothered pretty quickly.
And if it allowed expansion from outside models, even better. I have a bunch of inquisition themed models that would love to get some action.
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Post by: frozenwastes
This could be the best release by GW in over a decade, or it'll be useless one and done with not enough produced for everyone who wants one.
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Post by: IceRapture
It is my hope that even if the rules/game is garbage, it will be adding high-quality models to interesting areas of the range (odd-xenos for Tau, HQs for Guard and Grey Knights, Cultists and HQs for Chaos).
I can hope...
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Post by: Brother SRM
 IceRapture wrote:It is my hope that even if the rules/game is garbage, it will be adding high-quality models to interesting areas of the range (odd-xenos for Tau, HQs for Guard and Grey Knights, Cultists and HQs for Chaos).
I can hope...
I doubt they'll just cherry pick some random dudes for random armies in the game.
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Post by: IceRapture
 Brother SRM wrote: IceRapture wrote:It is my hope that even if the rules/game is garbage, it will be adding high-quality models to interesting areas of the range (odd-xenos for Tau, HQs for Guard and Grey Knights, Cultists and HQs for Chaos).
I can hope...
I doubt they'll just cherry pick some random dudes for random armies in the game.
No, I mean they'll likely be making some interesting new xenos, chaos, and inquisitor retinues models that will look great converted for, or just added into actual 40k armies.
A couple odd xenos alone would be great for giving more variation to converted/indoctrinated Tau squads.
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Post by: overtyrant
It's to much of a smart move to release a supported 40k skirmish game that people would buy in droves. GW will simply not do it as they will most probably believe that it will cut into there other sales. If anything it will be a limited release with a set of models ala space hulk I.e not generic models but characters.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
i am intrigued, i hope it is Inquistomunda with some nice plastic figures
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Post by: filbert
I'm the lone dissenter. Very disappointed. I would much rather have had a Blood Bowl game. The problem as I see it is that BB lends itself much more to being a one-off box release that can be pumped out and requires little or no after-support whereas something like Inquisition, whilst it can be released stand alone, would seem to require or at least benefit more from continuing support and further releases to supplement the box set and I can't see GW providing that support.
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Post by: Fafnir
Considering the nature of GW these days, I'd be much happier with a good pump-and-dump over a long running product steadily run further and further into the ground.
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Post by: reds8n
Maybe the omnipresence of Inquisitorial warbands modelled and painted in WD has been leading up to this.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
 reds8n wrote: Maybe the omnipresence of Inquisitorial warbands modelled and painted in WD has been leading up to this.
The entire box will be made up of modified Nurgle Chaos Lords! D:
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
This is only thing I'm planning to buy from GW in a long time. It must be an £80 box, knowing them?
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Post by: Emperors_Champion
Already got mine pre-ordered/saved/dibbed/shotgun'd with my FLGS!
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Post by: Kroothawk
My prediction: They make it limited, produce stock for only 2 days and then celebrate selling out so fast (Space Hulk strategy). 
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Post by: Sigvatr
Screw that, I want my Blood Bowl.
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Post by: Steve steveson
I am pant soilingly excited about this. I hope that it is a long term thing. I could see how they could very easily support it long term with little investment.
Bring out a box set to start with then just bring out a update book/box once a year to add in new characters/races etc. No need to even make new minis, just run mostly with 40k minis. Maybe add a few characters in, which will also be useful for 40k. As long as they make stuff for every race they can get buy in and people in to 40k. Just have to be carefull not to tread too much on FF's work (Why don't they sell the RPG books in GW? It seems very odd)
I am not too hopeful, but fingers crossed.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
If it's limited edition it'll have to be amazing just to get me to consider buying it. If it's not I'll defiantly buy it in November.
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Post by: evildrcheese
I'll certainly be buying this, sounds right up my street. I love =I= related stuff.
Just hope that if it is indeed limited edition they do a big enough run. I suspect they'll be a huge demand for this game.
D
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Post by: Crimson
I hope it isn't limited. They don't need to constantly churn new models for it, just keep it in print and maybe do some random expansions now and then.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
It'll be limited and a one shot, I'd expect nothing less.
Wonder if there'll be a bit of terrain in the box?
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Post by: xruslanx
 Crimson wrote:I hope it isn't limited. They don't need to constantly churn new models for it, just keep it in print and maybe do some random expanisions now and then.
Yeah I don't why people are talking like gw has released 12 one-off boxes every year for the past decade and this is just the next one to come along. If it sells well there could well be expansions, the setting lends itself to them.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Space Hulk, Dreadfleet and Hobbit were all limited edition box sets. That's why.
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Post by: filbert
xruslanx wrote: Crimson wrote:I hope it isn't limited. They don't need to constantly churn new models for it, just keep it in print and maybe do some random expanisions now and then.
Yeah I don't why people are talking like gw has released 12 one-off boxes every year for the past decade and this is just the next one to come along. If it sells well there could well be expansions, the setting lends itself to them.
frozenwastes wrote:Space Hulk, Dreadfleet and Hobbit were all limited edition box sets. That's why.
Not only that but GW have just spent the last few months quietly dropping their Specialist Games section (or at least, stopping producing the models). I think it is a very valid concern that any potential future releases will be one-off, possibly limited edition, and probably unsupported.
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Post by: xruslanx
The hobbit was not a one off it was the first of three - it has two guaranteed sequels.
Dreadfleet was crap so that only leaves us with one game, space hulk, that was released and then forgot about. Which sucks yeah, but you can't build up a pattern from a data sample of one. You may as well say the Inquisitor game will just have terminators and genestealers in it.
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Post by: Crimson
I hope that getting rid of the Specialist Games was to make room for this new game.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Space hulk originally got some White Dwarf support. I wouldn't be surprised if they squeaked a few scenarios or additional rules in to WD for this game if it sells well enough.
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Post by: Shaozun
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:This is only thing I'm planning to buy from GW in a long time. It must be an £80 box, knowing them?
I hope it's $100 like Space hulk.
Even $150 would be stretching it, but I wouldnt' exactly mind. Dark Vengeance is $165 and I'm tentative about that at $120 on ebay as it is.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Shaozun wrote:Fenrir Kitsune wrote:This is only thing I'm planning to buy from GW in a long time. It must be an £80 box, knowing them?
I hope it's $100 like Space hulk.
Even $150 would be stretching it, but I wouldnt' exactly mind. Dark Vengeance is $165 and I'm tentative about that at $120 on ebay as it is.
I'd expect it to cost at least as much as the dark veneance box, if not a little more.
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Post by: master sheol
my impression about this release (if it will really happens and i have still some doubts) si that will be a one-shot limited game...
some cool minis and scenics inside a box with a book covering all major and minor races in the galaxy...
it could be a necromunda 2.0 but based on the armies we have now...
so you will buy the box and use the rules to play skirmish games wth warbands of any model you want...
then after the box will be sold out the rulebook only will appear in 40k section like any other expansion (apocalypse city of Death and so on) and you will buy rules only playing with the miniatures form GW range...
in this way GW will make you pay for the KILL TEAM rule set...
my 2 cents
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Post by: Fayric
To be honest, the last year GW has done some unexpected moves.
Bringing in fullscale allies, bringing back supplements, releasing codex/armybooks like they had hellhounds on their trail, changing the WD loggo
My point being, there has been lots of moves most people would hotly argue against as they were rumors.
This game could be way out of their usual pattern (as I hope! a "new" necromunda would be really sweet)
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Post by: Theophony
Can't wait to see hat happens when this is online order only and not available through flgs. Popcorn at the ready.
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Post by: Rayvon
Damn I was hoping for BB, not really a fan of small scale skirmish games, though the minis might be nice i guess !
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Post by: Fishboy
Kroothawk wrote:My prediction: They make it limited, produce stock for only 2 days and then celebrate selling out so fast (Space Hulk strategy).
For a few years GW has been trying to produce a one off game that leads into the 40K univers that they can sell in standard stores like Toys R Us. Maybe this is that step but then again....
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Post by: Alpharius
Allies was a completely expected addition to the last 40k rule set.
A small scale skirmish game, while completely welcome, is almost completely surprising!
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Post by: Brother SRM
 Fishboy wrote:
For a few years GW has been trying to produce a one off game that leads into the 40K univers that they can sell in standard stores like Toys R Us. Maybe this is that step but then again....
Source on that? I think you got their marketing brief from the Space Crusade era...
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Post by: Rayvon
Fishboy wrote: Kroothawk wrote:My prediction: They make it limited, produce stock for only 2 days and then celebrate selling out so fast (Space Hulk strategy).
For a few years GW has been trying to produce a one off game that leads into the 40K univers that they can sell in standard stores like Toys R Us. Maybe this is that step but then again....
That would make sense, therefore i can safely say that it wont happen !
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
This should be interesting.
If they want this to be an "entry" type game, I hope it comes with an "entry" type price point.
I too am hopeful we see new xenos to purge.
And as for this talk of GW trying to get a foot in the door to the mass market retailers- what's stopped them from attempting something like Space Crusade/ Heroquest on their own?
If I can find Munchkin, Catan, and Pandemic along with a few oddball Fantasy Flight games laying on the shelf at my local Target, I don't get why GW doesn't try to whip something together to chase after that same demographic (I got my copy of Heroquest in 8th grade from Target*).
Maybe this will be the one.
*I'm still bitter to this day that I never EVER came across a copy of Space Crusade in my area of CA. After reading a glowing review of it in Dragon magazine I wanted it SO BAD. I had to settle for Space Hulk at the time instead.
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Post by: notprop
GW tried putting products into big chain store before but pulled out when they were being squeezed to reduce their costs goin forward.
As we know GW are somewhat intransigent on such matters.
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Post by: Backfire
 filbert wrote:I'm the lone dissenter. Very disappointed. I would much rather have had a Blood Bowl game. The problem as I see it is that BB lends itself much more to being a one-off box release that can be pumped out and requires little or no after-support whereas something like Inquisition, whilst it can be released stand alone, would seem to require or at least benefit more from continuing support and further releases to supplement the box set and I can't see GW providing that support.
I disagree...Blood Bowl single box release would be problematic: the game has many factions, which ones to include to the new box? Existing BB players are mostly either "meh, it's not my team, pass" or "cool, but I already got tons of those". By contrast, Inquisition vs whoever doesn't need extra factions, if the models are any good people will buy the game just for them to convert them to 40k, and once the print run is gone, zillion existing 40k miniatures means that there is plenty of room for people to devise home rules and new factions and characters. Problem with the Dreadfleet was that it wasn't compatible with anything existing. Concept seems idiot-proof, it only leaves the matter of execution... I wonder how much, if anything, it has to do with old Inquisition. Isn't that some sort of quasi- RPG?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Fishboy wrote: Kroothawk wrote:My prediction: They make it limited, produce stock for only 2 days and then celebrate selling out so fast (Space Hulk strategy).
For a few years GW has been trying to produce a one off game that leads into the 40K univers that they can sell in standard stores like Toys R Us. Maybe this is that step but then again....
Correct. Then they released the proven perfect introductory box for 40k, made no advertising at all (not even on Game Day germany a day before release), then made it limited (so that the following two Codices of Blood Angels and tyranids couldn't profit from the new fantastic models) and produced stock for 2 days. Yes, that was Space Hulk. Dumb strategy as hell, but celebrated as a huge success internally.
Did they learn? Well, look at their idea of drawing everyone into the Hobbit game.
Concerning Bloodbowl: I wouldn't have bought a box, because you get everything you need much better now from other companies.
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Post by: NoggintheNog
Backfire wrote:
I wonder how much, if anything, it has to do with old Inquisition. Isn't that some sort of quasi- RPG?
Yes, it was very story driven, and GW's product direction would suggest the new one will share nothing with it but a name.
However, Blanche's piece in white dwarf has essentially been a promotion tool for 28mm inquisitor bands since at least the WD relaunch and probably before it, so perhaps it signifies a change in direction.
I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
NoggintheNog wrote:Backfire wrote:
I wonder how much, if anything, it has to do with old Inquisition. Isn't that some sort of quasi- RPG?
Yes, it was very story driven, and GW's product direction would suggest the new one will share nothing with it but a name.
However, Blanche's piece in white dwarf has essentially been a promotion tool for 28mm inquisitor bands since at least the WD relaunch and probably before it, so perhaps it signifies a change in direction.
I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.
Ehh, GW is always talking about 'Forging a Narrative'.
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Post by: Crimson
NoggintheNog wrote:
I don't think a limited edition will do anything beyond lining ebayers pockets, they need an actual lead in product that people can buy, in a shop that doesnt necessarily have a GW logo over the door.
Yes! A Hero Quest box bought from a supermarket was my first GW game and how I learned that the company existed.
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Post by: stormwell
Actually kinda wishing that GW gave a bit more support to Specialist Games, probably added Combat Patrol to them as a skirmish game.
I'll probably look at the rules when it comes out, though tbh I'll probably buy and use non-GW models for it.
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Post by: Red Viper
Kroothawk wrote:
Correct. Then they released the proven perfect introductory box for 40k, made no advertising at all (not even on Game Day germany a day before release), then made it limited (so that the following two Codices of Blood Angels and tyranids couldn't profit from the new fantastic models) and produced stock for 2 days. Yes, that was Space Hulk. Dumb strategy as hell, but celebrated as a huge success internally.
Did they learn? Well, look at their idea of drawing everyone into the Hobbit game.
GW's decisions are baffling. When stuff sells out quickly, they seem to think it's a success instead of thinking "Maybe we should make more." Space Hulk at Target/Toys R Us would have been huge. It's a great game with great models.
I hope the Inquisition game is real and I hope it's not a limited run, imperial/chaos only. If it's either of those things, then I probably won't play.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Red Viper wrote: Kroothawk wrote:
Correct. Then they released the proven perfect introductory box for 40k, made no advertising at all (not even on Game Day germany a day before release), then made it limited (so that the following two Codices of Blood Angels and tyranids couldn't profit from the new fantastic models) and produced stock for 2 days. Yes, that was Space Hulk. Dumb strategy as hell, but celebrated as a huge success internally.
Did they learn? Well, look at their idea of drawing everyone into the Hobbit game.
GW's decisions are baffling. When stuff sells out quickly, they seem to think it's a success instead of thinking "Maybe we should make more." Space Hulk at Target/Toys R Us would have been huge. It's a great game with great models.
If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.
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Post by: Crimson
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.
It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kanluwen wrote:If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.
1.) The price for the Space Hulk box was okay (70€, Hobbit is 100€) and still suitable for an introductory game for 40k.
2.) If you could sell triple the number of boxes (or 10x with a broader distribution), selling out in 2 days is not good enough.
3.) If you have the sculpts and plastic moulds for new fantastic BA Terminators and Tyranid genestealers, and BA and tyranids are next and no other BA Terminator and genestealer models in sight, not using the expensive moulds is just dumb.
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Post by: PaperworkNinja
I can't believe it's not Dark Future!
This could get me back into gaming. I'll have to see if the local shops are running any introductory games or not.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
Sign me up for 2 boxes of this on pre-release day.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
IceRapture wrote:I'm definitely interested.
Now I just need to pray for a Ravenor model.
Please please please please......
This one is for you
I bring you Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn and Cherubael
They are a nice selection, but slightly off topic, and causing a fair load on the page, so I've put them in spoiler tags. Cheers - MDS
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Post by: gorgon
Crimson wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.
It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.
It still requires machine time though, and time you spend doing SH is time spent not prepping for a codex/army book release for your core products. There are also shelf space concerns, warehousing, and many other marketing considerations.
I also happen to think they didn't underestimate the demand by much. Stores around here had copies months after the release.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
I can't get excited because GW will find some way to spoil it. Everyone is hoping that it'll be an ongoing thing. But that doesn't fit with their approach of recent years which is to avoid games that distract from their big sellers, 40k and fantasy. They don't want people buying a game that only needs a dozen figures.
Their first way to screw it up is to make it in limited supply and not giving it support. Even if you can get a copy for a sensible price that hasn't been bought up by eBay scalpers you won't find a community of many other players who also own it.
Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a new Necromunda. But if they do want to sell a skirmish game then they'll probably make up for lower figure sales by putting Hobbitesque prices on them making it totally unpalatable.
All of which is a shame because I find the Inquisition and darker side of the Imperium the most appealing thing in 40k by a long way and would love a range of figures. But I predict poor support and availability and absurd prices will ruin it.
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Post by: SheSpits
If i get lucky enough to get a box, ill probly have an even harder time getting people to play it.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 gorgon wrote: Crimson wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
If you make a limited edition with a hefty price tag and it sells out quickly...
I would say that is a success.
It is a success, but also means that you could have easily sold more. Main expense is making the moulds, and once you got them it is easy to make more boxes.
It still requires machine time though, and time you spend doing SH is time spent not prepping for a codex/army book release for your core products. There are also shelf space concerns, warehousing, and many other marketing considerations.
I also happen to think they didn't underestimate the demand by much. Stores around here had copies months after the release.
Then whoever was running those stores needs their Businessman Organ checked by a doctor, because those things became atrociously expensive on ebay -very- quickly.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
IF they want it to be an opening into 40k, they need to back the thing. If they want to do it in limited runs then fine - re-stock twice a year or so maybe a waiting list, but not a finite number as so many already GW fans will buy it for the collecting notion that there won't be many for newbies into the hobby.
I totally want this, but I'm not going to be able to afford it for months due to other expensive purchases, and it will make me sick to have to pay over RRP to get one off ebay.
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Post by: RiTides
Well, I will keep an open mind about this although I would've loved it to be Bloodbowl! (And been much more likely to purchase it)
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Post by: Lockark
Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one? Like. What is their track record on this sort of stuff?
I'm currently having cautious optimism about this rumor.
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Post by: Red Viper
 Lockark wrote:Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one? Like. What is their track record on this sort of stuff?
I'm currently having cautious optimism about this rumor.
Tastytaste is pretty damn accurate: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/448304.page
118 true, 15 false.
He's certainly not just making stuff up.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Lockark wrote:Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one?
The update is new, the old rumour is old. Thought that was clear enough.
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Post by: jah-joshua
endlesswaltz123 wrote:IF they want it to be an opening into 40k, they need to back the thing. If they want to do it in limited runs then fine - re-stock twice a year or so maybe a waiting list, but not a finite number as so many already GW fans will buy it for the collecting notion that there won't be many for newbies into the hobby.
I totally want this, but I'm not going to be able to afford it for months due to other expensive purchases, and it will make me sick to have to pay over RRP to get one off ebay.
why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
i actually hope it's a limited release, just like Space Hulk...
collecting LE's is my favorite part of this hobby...
i'm a collector, not a gamer...
to each their own...
cheers
jah
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 jah-joshua wrote:why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.
God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...
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Post by: Ironwill13791
 His Master's Voice wrote: jah-joshua wrote:why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.
God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...
I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.
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Post by: willb2064
 Yodhrin wrote:
Then whoever was running those stores needs their Businessman Organ checked by a doctor, because those things became atrociously expensive on ebay -very- quickly.
In North America it was pretty easy to get a copy of Space Hulk in a local store months after the release. It only sold out in 2 days in the UK/Europe, and eBay prices went crazy there, but not here (and due to the size/weight of the box it wasn't worth shipping copies across the Atlantic).
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Post by: Starfarer
 Howard A Treesong wrote:I can't get excited because GW will find some way to spoil it. Everyone is hoping that it'll be an ongoing thing. But that doesn't fit with their approach of recent years which is to avoid games that distract from their big sellers, 40k and fantasy. They don't want people buying a game that only needs a dozen figures.
Their first way to screw it up is to make it in limited supply and not giving it support. Even if you can get a copy for a sensible price that hasn't been bought up by eBay scalpers you won't find a community of many other players who also own it.
Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a new Necromunda. But if they do want to sell a skirmish game then they'll probably make up for lower figure sales by putting Hobbitesque prices on them making it totally unpalatable.
All of which is a shame because I find the Inquisition and darker side of the Imperium the most appealing thing in 40k by a long way and would love a range of figures. But I predict poor support and availability and absurd prices will ruin it.
If they do it right it doesn't have to distract from their big sellers, but draw you into them. If theoretically you could play any faction as a skirmish force, and you buy a box of, say, Dark Eldar and a blister or two for characters, then you get into the background and buy the codex. Then you're a few purchases away from a new army. That said, if it is just Inquisition and Chaos/Mutants/whatever it may not be as accessible as a entry game.
That being said, it will be a success for the simple fact that it is 28mm 40k models. Dreadfleet, and by extension, a hypothetical Bloodbowl have no crossover potential, and therefore have a much lower appeal. Hopefully they learn from Space Hulk and the success of Dark Vengeance and do not make this a limited edition thing. It kills player support when everyone is hoarding copies for some future date to sell at inflated prices. Had people actually played Space Hulk instead of keeping them in plastic and asking triple on ebay it may at least have a core following who keep it alive like people did with other Specialist Games.
If it does end up being a limited set, I'm still getting it without hesitation. I've sold off my 40k armies for the most part, but I still enjoy modeling 40k models and would still break open a box set/ skirmish scale now and again to use them. If it has character development similar to Necromunda, I would be ecstatic.
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Post by: jah-joshua
 Ironwill13791 wrote: His Master's Voice wrote: jah-joshua wrote:why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.
God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...
I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...
i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Brother SRM
jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...
i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Brother SRM wrote: jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...
i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.
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Post by: IceRapture
Yodhrin wrote: Brother SRM wrote:
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.
You realize he's saying he enjoys collecting AND painting the LE stuff right?
He's not saying his enjoyment of the wargaming hobby comes from schadenfreude, he's a collector and a painter which is a completely legitimate division of the hobby.
jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
Please read the comments before letting loose the hate.
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Post by: jah-joshua
i actually sell everything i paint, so i'm not depriving anyone of anything...
not one single purchase is still in shrink wrap...
i'm just expressing why i like the hobby...
i am looking forward to this game for the minis...
instead of playing, i paint...
simple...
@Brother SRM: sorry my typing annoys you...
it's just my brain on autopilot, and the fastest way for me to type...
i do format my painting guides and business emails correctly...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Lockark
Kroothawk wrote: Lockark wrote:Is this new rumour a confirmation or a repost of the original blood of kittens one?
The update is new, the old rumour is old. Thought that was clear enough.
It feels like alot of the new rumor is just repeating the old rumor.
So I was wondering if anyone knew their track record.
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Post by: Eilif
I haven't bought a new GW product in a couple of years, but this is really interesting. If the following conditions are met:
1) The game has campaign/growth mechanics included a'la necromunda
2) Two playable factions and enough other stats to make it worthwhile converting or proxying other figures.
3) Is $100 or less
4) Is in line with Necromunda in terms of complexity.
...then it's almost for sure that I'll split it with a friend or even buy it outright myself. A skirmish level game in the 40k world has the potential to package up more than enough awesome to get me out of my general malaise regarding GW.
On the other hand if it's just a boardgame with no campaign mechanics, then I'll probably pass it by.
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Post by: catharsix
Yodhrin wrote: Brother SRM wrote: jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
[TOO MANY ELIPSES...]
cheers
jah
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.
Absolutely. The only thing that makes a "collector's" item special or specific to the "collector" is that they have more money probably. I'm much more impressed by people who can take something that ANYONE can buy, and then does something special to it through their own skill.
-C6
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Post by: Yodhrin
IceRapture wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Brother SRM wrote:
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.
You realize he's saying he enjoys collecting AND painting the LE stuff right?
He's not saying his enjoyment of the wargaming hobby comes from schadenfreude, he's a collector and a painter which is a completely legitimate division of the hobby.
jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
Please read the comments before letting loose the hate.
He specifically stated he would prefer that any Inquisition boxed release be limited edition, because he likes to collect things. The only reason to prefer a thing be limited edition over general unlimited release assuming the contents are the same is because you derive satisfaction from knowing that you own something other people can't.
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Post by: migsula
Well, well....
Official +I+munda from Games Workshop. Sounds absolutely fantastic and would be a massive hit, with Hobbyists around the world having done the advertising for the concept since 2008
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Post by: jah-joshua
 catharsix wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Brother SRM wrote: jah-joshua wrote:
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
[TOO MANY ELIPSES...]
cheers
jah
Why do you format your posts like this? It's strange and a little annoying to read. Regardless, you can still collect the box set even if they make more than a couple dozen copies of it. Toys are more fun when they're not sitting in their shrink wrap.
Agreed, I've never understood that mentality. I mean, I own "collector editions" of things, videogames etc, but I bought them because of the stuff that came in them, not because I found some kind of perverse joy in knowing that because I owned something, someone else I'd never met and never would was deprived of the chance to own it. I bought the LE of Dark Vengeance because I wanted the Chaplain, but I'd still have bought it if there was nothing limited about it and they'd only made a regular edition.
Absolutely. The only thing that makes a "collector's" item special or specific to the "collector" is that they have more money probably. I'm much more impressed by people who can take something that ANYONE can buy, and then does something special to it through their own skill.
-C6
no, i don't have more money than most others, i just have a passion for collecting rare minis...
please, take a look at my gallery of 40K minis, and then tell me that i don't do special things with bog standard minis...
@Yodhrin: it's not about owning something others can't, but about painting some things that others don't own...
this is, in my opinion, a good business decision...
now that i've quit doing commissions and studio work, i will be spending half my time on LE's, and half my time on stock minis...
with two different budgets, for two different types of customers...
it's smart business, paint something rare to attract the pure collector, and also something stock for the gamer...
i understand that my opinion may not be popular, but you don't need to judge me as some villain, or put words in my mouth...
call me mercenary all you want, but i'm not trying to lord over anyone, or gloat about my toy soldiers...
i'm simply trying to make a living with my skills, and attracting customers with rare gems is a very valid idea...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Squat Kid
I want an entire box of plastic Jokaero... lol
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Post by: Kilkrazy
The bickering about limited editions is rather off topic.
Practically speaking, all of GW's new (board)game releases have been limited editions of very large size. No-one who wanted a Space Hulk or a Dread Fleet had any trouble getting one at release as long as they had the ready cash. However there have been no reprints in later years.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
jah-joshua wrote: Ironwill13791 wrote: His Master's Voice wrote: jah-joshua wrote:why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.
God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...
I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...
i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
It's a bit hard to explain to University that I have to shift back the paying of my tuition fees as I *must have* the brand new shiny box of toys from GW that can't wait as it's limited edition as I may miss out.
Not everyone spends all their money on GW bro... I am not buying anything of the new space marines.... Automatically Appended Next Post: Like I said before anyway, don't make it limited edition, get a finite amount produced at first and start a pre-order for the next batch 6 months down the line if they need too, i can wait 6 months, even if I miss out on some cool special edition model in it. I want the rule book mainly, NOT the models, I'll make my own warband.
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Post by: Crimson
 Kilkrazy wrote:The bickering about limited editions is rather off topic.
Practically speaking, all of GW's new (board)game releases have been limited editions of very large size. No-one who wanted a Space Hulk or a Dread Fleet had any trouble getting one at release as long as they had the ready cash. However there have been no reprints in later years.
But that's the thing. After the initial release there will be no new players. To most people the game is dead and forgotten.
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Post by: DeffDred
At first I was incredibly excited! Then I saw one word...
Blanche.
I have now become mildly curious.
Just to remind everyone...
tags added, artistic partial nudity ahoy so etc etc yadda yadda
reds8n
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Post by: Malika2
Isn't that picture from his Femme Militant line?
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Post by: BrookM
 DeffDred wrote:At first I was incredibly excited! Then I saw one word...
Blanche.
I have now become mildly curious.
Just to remind everyone...
Funny, he also did these:
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Post by: Azazelx
Yodhrin wrote:
He specifically stated he would prefer that any Inquisition boxed release be limited edition, because he likes to collect things. The only reason to prefer a thing be limited edition over general unlimited release assuming the contents are the same is because you derive satisfaction from knowing that you own something other people can't.
I'd like it to be general release as well - or at worst simply made readily available for x months rather than "2000 units worldwide"-type limited.
However, I so see the appeal of collecting rare and limited models. Not because I'm denying others having something, but because it's just cool to get and to have something that's hard to get. This can range from the Sgt Centurious I got years ago from a friend to a few unreleased figures I managed to get off eBay to the old WFB3-era models I've been buying and collecting recently. I got the original Dragon Ogre last week. I'm fething stoked about that - partly because it's rare and hard to get, but also because I always wanted to own it back in the day. It wasn't limited back then, but it certainly qualifies as "rare" now.
If they release this product as an ongoing release, I think the first batch of them will be limited - as in with a limited figure inside them as DV and Hobbit had (and an inflated price to go with it!). - Following ones will lack the limited figure. If it's simply a one-off splash release like Space Hulk or Dead (in the water) Fleet, the box itself will be the limited-edition exciting-thing.
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Post by: frozenwastes
I much prefer Blanche's art style to the cartoony look of current 40k miniatures.   Maybe the new space marine plastics will have even more screaming cartoony guys! Yay!
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Thanks for reposting Kroothawk I still don't understand why the first post was ever closed in the first placed....
It was closed because after the initial post there was not a single shred of any worthwhile rumor or information and the entire thread from post #2 onward was just a bunch of worthless blather. Frankly, I can't believe we have another thread on this so soon because again we have one post claiming this is true and already there are five pages of non-substantive posts in response.
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Post by: Steve steveson
Ye. We have allot of pointless guessing at whether it will be a limited edition based on nothing more than space hulk (which has always been a stand alone box, with a few expansions) and Dreadfleet (a horrendous flop). So, ye, basicly we have nothing other than there SHOULD be some sort of box set next month and it MIGHT have some sort of skirmish game based on the inquisition. Possibly.
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Post by: DeffDred
Oh, I'm quite aware. Now if you'll excuse me I need to pour bleach in my eyes. Automatically Appended Next Post:  frozenwastes wrote:I much prefer Blanche's art style to the cartoony look of current 40k miniatures.
Maybe the new space marine plastics will have even more screaming cartoony guys! Yay!
Are you suggesting that Blanches ...artwork... is not cartoony?
And the new helmetless heads are stern and bearded.
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Post by: Crimson
People who don't like Blanche should seriously just quit 40K. Whole look of 40K is based on Blanche's artworks, it is he who has given 40K such strong imagery that sets it apart from other scifi franchises.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
Crimson wrote:People who don't like Blanche should seriously just quit 40K. Whole look of 40K is based on Blanche's artworks, it is he who has given 40K such strong imagery that sets it apart from other scifi franchises.
Sorry, but no. I'm collecting all the 40k codexes that have been released and I can't touch the Deamons one with a 5-foot pole because of the artwork. I like many of Blanche's works, BrookM posted here several examples of fantastic looking images of his, but the deamons ones, gaack, there's not one I truly enjoy. I respect the man and his vision, but don't expect all 40k fans to enjoy his work: I feel he's a "either you love ir or you hate it" case. Oh, and I hate how he paints his minis. Again, I understand the effort and skill require to convert and paint the way he does, but how I hate the extreme "grimdarkness" of his painting with so many muted browns and darks. Again, it's all a matter of personal taste. And to finish: I really, really, really want leaked pictures of the minis C'mon GW, you have been excellent with the C: SM, don't disappoint us now!
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Post by: frozenwastes
DeffDred wrote:Are you suggesting that Blanches ...artwork... is not cartoony?
No, it's not. It has a 1970s indy comic book feel to it, but it is not at all like anything you'd find during Saturday morning cartoons. That's what I meant by cartoony.  "I'm a Space Marine! No wait... I'm Duke from GI Joe."
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Post by: Azazelx
frozenwastes wrote:I much prefer Blanche's art style to the cartoony look of current 40k miniatures.
Maybe the new space marine plastics will have even more screaming cartoony guys! Yay!
Blanche has two art styles. I like his finished works far better than his napkin-scribbles.
I picked up the two newish Black Library hardcover art books recently. (The Emperor's Will/The Emperor's Might). Not to mention the FFG 40k RPG books. There's tons of high quality 40k art out there right now.
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Post by: Necro
I am hoping it is a board game so I can play it with my young nephew. I am really looking forward to this release and just hoping its well done and have ongoing playability.
I love anything Inquisition so I think I will buy it at any rate.
Here's hoping it good
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Post by: Azazelx
Crimson wrote:People who don't like Blanche should seriously just quit 40K. Whole look of 40K is based on Blanche's artworks, it is he who has given 40K such strong imagery that sets it apart from other scifi franchises.
Brian Ansell
Jes Goodwin
Ian Miller
Kev Adams
Bob Naismith
Adrian Smith
Michael and Alan Perry
Pete Knifton
Sid
Paul Bonner
Mark Gibbons
John Sibbick
Wayne England
Davis Gallagher
Tony Cottrell
Gary Harrod
Kevin Walker
Trish & Aly Morrison
and it goes on and on... - not so much in the last decade or more, but in the first decade the design studio was literally an artists' studio with creatives bouncing ideas off one another in all kinds of ways. Blanche was there, one of them and certainly deserves a lot of credit, but passing over so many artists is either ignorant, misguided or insulting.
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Post by: Crimson
I didn't mean to dismiss other artists, creating 40K imagery certainly was a group effort, but Blanche was the main force behind the weird gothic look of the Imperium. (Jes Goodwin is similarly the guy who is mainly responsible of the Eldar aesthetics.)
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Post by: Malika2
So what is the source of these rumours?
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Post by: yukihyou
Crimson wrote:People who don't like Blanche should seriously just quit 40K. Whole look of 40K is based on Blanche's artworks, it is he who has given 40K such strong imagery that sets it apart from other scifi franchises.
Some of Blanches artwork is fantastic, the Gothic buildings, the whichunters, the mechaniucum, SoB
But some of it is just awful, his vision is fine as long as others are there to balance it out and the figures are not direct copies of his art, I prefer his earlier work, lately it just seems brown and red.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Whether or not you personally like Blanche's work or style, bear in mind that he oversees and mentors much of the inhouse artist's and what they produce. He's been there since the beginning and his influence flows through many of the above named artists, the sculptors and the design team.
I'm thankful to him for his continued contributions and glad he's still there, linking the current GW to the very first days of inhouse production. In recent years, many of us have been concerned about the shift in aesthetic in minis and I feel without Blanche at Nottingham, that might well speed up or change the entire range and aesthetic completely, leaving us with World of Warhammercraft looks forever.
I'm off to look at a 3 headed minotaur with a back banner of the Mona Lisa!
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Post by: yukihyou
That was so good.
Blizzard and GW have crossed swords a few times,Steam Tanks, the Zerg/ Tyranid argument.
Also Andy Chambers going to work for them. I honestly understand He has been there since the beginning and thats fine, good on him surviving the Kirby Era, But really I think he does need balance, though if the box art is as good as the SoB cover I may just buy it for that alone.
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Post by: Kirasu
Spacehulk was good because the models were good and compatible with 40k. Dreadfleet was a joke of a game because A) the game was fairly bad and B) the models were useless for anything other than dreadfleet. Take a look at all the very successful boardgame kickstarters.. they mostly include 28mm scale models for use with 40k or similar games
GW is finally realizing this and not giving us more garbage called dreadfleet.. People like multi-use products!
Oh, and C) Dreadfleet was WFB..
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Post by: Ixquic
Dreadfleet also was a wash since it was a single overpriced boardgame for over a hundred bucks in a field where an expensive item is about $60-80. It didn't have the help of nostalgia for Space Hulk and the buying frenzy fear from the "buy this right now on release or you'll never get it!!" lie when people saw boxes of Space Hulk in stores months afterwards and knew better. It was also max two players which limits groups from investing in it. This game sounds pretty awesome so I'm actually excited for a GW product and it's been a long time since that happened.
Also Blanche is great. I understand his art isn't for everyone but the people that REALLY don't like any of his work (those that start whining whenever he is even mentioned) make me feel like they want bland generic stuff. His style really makes the gothic horror of the 40k future Imperium stand out and once you take that out the result feels a lot more sterile.
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Post by: jah-joshua
endlesswaltz123 wrote: jah-joshua wrote: Ironwill13791 wrote: His Master's Voice wrote: jah-joshua wrote:why not just just shift those other expensive purchases aside, and get this box first???
that's exactly what i will be doing...
Space Marines can wait...
And there you have it, the reason GW is so hell bent on doing LE rather than adding competitive products to their range.
God forbid the game is actually good and people want to play it instead of 40k...
I love it. That is the exact way the elite stay elite.
yeah, one guy who likes to collect and paint rare minis is what's wrong with this hobby...
oh wait, from my perspective, nothing is wrong with the hobby...
i just sit back and enjoy collecting rare minis...
i love the Space Hulk set, even without playing the game, because the minis are beautiful...
same goes for Dreadfleet...
no matter what anyone thinks of the game, the ships are amazing...
i happen to love cool minis...
simple...
i'm not interested in gaming, nor in being elite...
i just want to enjoy the hobby my way, and i know i will enjoy some Inq. 28 minis...
cheers
jah
It's a bit hard to explain to University that I have to shift back the paying of my tuition fees as I *must have* the brand new shiny box of toys from GW that can't wait as it's limited edition as I may miss out.
Not everyone spends all their money on GW bro... I am not buying anything of the new space marines....
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Like I said before anyway, don't make it limited edition, get a finite amount produced at first and start a pre-order for the next batch 6 months down the line if they need too, i can wait 6 months, even if I miss out on some cool special edition model in it. I want the rule book mainly, NOT the models, I'll make my own warband.
the way you phrased "expensive purchase" in your original post threw me off...
Uni tuition is something people usually refer to as a bill, or a fee, but an expensive purchase brings to mind a car, big screen t.v., or a new 40k army...
pardon me for thinking you were purchasing a product...
cheers
jah
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Post by: cincydooley
[/ Ixquic wrote:Dreadfleet also was a wash since it was a single overpriced boardgame for over a hundred bucks in a field where an expensive item is about $60-80.
Well that just isn't true. Pretty standard now for a big boardgame including miniatures to be $100.
Super Dungeon, Zombiecide, Incursion, etc.
Mage Knight has like, 5 small minis and is $80 bucks.
Just saying $100 isnt overpriced for a game with nice minis these days.
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Post by: Dr Mathias
Crimson wrote:I didn't mean to dismiss other artists, creating 40K imagery certainly was a group effort, but Blanche was the main force behind the weird gothic look of the Imperium. (Jes Goodwin is similarly the guy who is mainly responsible of the Eldar aesthetics.)
If anyone should get credit for generating the weird gothic 40K aesthetic it is Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill, the creators of the comic 'Nemesis the Warlock' in 2000 AD. Yes I know Blanche and others ported it to 40K but to anyone that has read the series, its pretty obvious.
Contorted, gothic, angular, freaky imagery ( 40K Mechanicus adepts are virtual copies of Emperor Torquemada's many servants in the comic)
Undying Emperor of Terra relying on an arcane apparatus
Oppressed far future xenophobic humans vs. aliens
Hive worlds
Inquisition
Terminators shouting 'Cleanse and Purify' and every other thing marines say when killing xenos
Gigantic humanoid weaponized walkers (Titans)
That's off the top of my head, there's more upon more. It's amazing.
The Redeemer comic was pretty much 'Nemesis the Warlock' in style and feel, although not as raw nor as innovative.
Early 40K= 40% WHFB, 30% Nemesis the Warlock, 10% Judge Dredd, 10% Dune, 5% Star Wars and 5% good old fashioned heavy metal.
Back on topic, at least a little bit, has there been anything at all that suggests this rumored release is Blanche related? Other than the possibly irelevant fact he did most of the concepts for Inquisitor 54mm?
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Post by: jah-joshua
@Dr. Mathius: the only clue seems to be that the Blanchitsu articles in the mag have been Inq. 28 related this year...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Dr Mathias
jah-joshua wrote:@Dr. Mathius: the only clue seems to be that the Blanchitsu articles in the mag have been Inq. 28 related this year...
cheers
jah
Aha, thanks, I haven't looked at WD for a few months. That's pretty interesting.
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Post by: Brother SRM
I wouldn't read into those much at all. Blanchitsu is just him showing off cool minis that echo his artwork really closely. Apparently he plays Inq28 plenty, but I don't think that column has secretly been advertising this game a year in advance.
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Post by: Alpharius
It certainly is, isn't it?
I hope we don't have too much for of that, especially after you posted that not so explicit warning about it...
Anyway, if this really is a Sept/Oct. release, we should start to hear a lot more about it soon.
I hope.
I plan on being 100% optimistic about this one - I will continue to hope for the best because if done right and supported, it would be just what GW and its 40K setting need about now...
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Post by: Red Viper
Alpharius wrote:
I plan on being 100% optimistic about this one - I will continue to hope for the best because if done right and supported, it would be just what GW and its 40K setting need about now...
My mindset as well.
Blood Bowl is already a thing and has good rules for good times. GW's models are dated, but luckily there are a lot of nice looking options out there.
Having some sort of 40k skirmish game could be a lot of fun, I'm just hoping for some Xenos.
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Post by: Malika2
But erm...has there been any reliable source for these rumours? I keep hearing about random Spanish blogs and German Games Days...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
 Dr Mathias wrote:
If anyone should get credit for generating the weird gothic 40K aesthetic it is Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill, the creators of the comic 'Nemesis the Warlock' in 2000 AD. Yes I know Blanche and others ported it to 40K but to anyone that has read the series, its pretty obvious.
THIS.
God, this. I've been picking up a bunch of 2000 AD's collected works and Nemesis more than anything had to have been a huge influence on what was to come.
O'Neil has always been one of my favorite artists; it's just his art I think was getting way too ahead of itself and the grotesqueness of it can turn a lot of people off (much like Blanche).
It's sad that the only Nemesis figure I have is that lame Heroclix one. I bet I could cobble him together out of spare Tyranid parts...
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Post by: Malika2
If we're going to enter this kinda discussion, what about comic artists like Enki Bilal and Juan Giménez?
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Post by: Erzanj
Just googled "Nemesis the Warlock", and stumbled upon this :
Administratum scribe, anybody ? . Always interesting to see what inspired early GW writers and artists (especially since I'm not familiar with all that stuff, being born in '91 and all. :p)
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Post by: Brother SRM
There's no reason you can't be familiar with Judge Dredd and Dune if you were born after Rogue Trader! I enjoy the hell out of both, and it's fun to see where all the 40k inspiration comes from.
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Post by: DeffDred
Crimson wrote:I didn't mean to dismiss other artists, creating 40K imagery certainly was a group effort, but Blanche was the main force behind the weird gothic look of the Imperium. (Jes Goodwin is similarly the guy who is mainly responsible of the Eldar aesthetics.)
Blanche says "Hey I had an idea so scribbled this stuff and spilled red ink all over it!" Then he hands it to the real artists who can turn the ideas into a marketable product.
Jes Goodwin is responciblefor more than just Eldar...
Dark Eldar, Skaven, High Elves, Sisters of Battle, Space Marines, BFG, Tyranids, Chaos Marines, Bloodthirster, Adeptus Arbites, Titans, Necromunda, Inquisitor.
Jes Goodwin creates the look of the 40k universe. Blanche just like to draw bondage chicks with bionic arms and faces.
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Post by: Oakenshield
I really don't see this one happening, especially with the rumor hitting so close to release. Seems like an awful lot of wishlisting. If it does happen I'm afraid the rules would just be dumbed down scenario's like those that come in the starter sets. Even if the rules are absolute crap, if the minis are anything like the quality and aesthetics of the Dark Vengeance minis I'll be scouring ebay and bits sellers for as many as i can collect.
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Adding to the slightly on topic/off topic discussion of the art:
John Blanche rules, Jess Godwyn rules, and Rick Priestly would be the first to tell you that almost all the foundation for 40k was lovingly borrowed from other franchises.
http://talesfromthemaelstrom.blogspot.com/2011/09/rick-priestley-interview.html
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Post by: Erzanj
Brother SRM wrote:There's no reason you can't be familiar with Judge Dredd and Dune if you were born after Rogue Trader! I enjoy the hell out of both, and it's fun to see where all the 40k inspiration comes from.
Of course you can. I just wasn't exposed to most of those when I was younger (well, I did saw the movie adaptation of Dune. And Judge Dredd. But my memories are fuzzy. ^^), so I'm still catching up.
Sorry for the off-topic, I just wanted to clarify. Back to our hypothetical heretic-burning simulation game !
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Blanche has some great artwork, like in the new Daemon dex. I especially like the single Spess Mahreen standing amidst a sea of Pink Horrors.
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Post by: KaryudoDS
Erzanj wrote:Of course you can. I just wasn't exposed to most of those when I was younger (well, I did saw the movie adaptation of Dune. And Judge Dredd. But my memories are fuzzy. ^^)
Probably best to keep those fuzzy. I was never really into Dune but I saw a couple seconds of Judge Dredd the other day and just sighed. Dredd being an improvement seems a vast understatement.
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Post by: Nut's Chiropractor
I'm cautiously hopeful for this. For one reason or another, GW's big boxed sets like IOB and DV are of a very high quality, with very nicely designed models at a decent price (for GW at least.) Hopefully this Inq24 box will be the same.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
 Malika2 wrote:If we're going to enter this kinda discussion, what about comic artists like Enki Bilal and Juan Giménez?
Totally off topic, but preaching to the choir dude!
Getting both of their works in English is a PAIN.
I like a lot of Barreiro and Alcatena's work. The general weirdness that permeates Alcatena's artwork always seemed to gel with a Warhammer vibe.
I would be in seventh heaven if we could see the return of Genestealer cults. What a great lead in then to a new Tyranid codex!
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Post by: Malika2
Hmm, I have digital version (in English) of Enki Bilal's Nikopol Trilogy and Juan Gimenez/Alejandro Jorodowki's The Metabarons!
But yeah, to get back on topic. Any reliable sources regarding these rumors?
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Post by: Pacific
The ancient DNA of the company has begun to stir, re-awakening of the goliath that once be-strode the wargaming world and conquered all before it. The newcomers who have prospered and spread out across the lands look on fearfully as the prone and moss-covered colossus starts to wheeze and then slowly draw in one great inhalation, a shower of moss and masonry falling to the ground and scattering the encampments of younglings who had begun to spring up like mushrooms on its dormant form..
Alpharius wrote:This could be awesome...
This SHOULD be awesome...
C'mon GW, don't let us down!
Bloody hell well colour me (very pleasantly) surprised! Let's hope we are left with a (relatively) low price entry point into 40k and a fun game.
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Post by: Azazelx
DeffDred wrote:
Jes Goodwin is responciblefor more than just Eldar...
Dark Eldar, Skaven, High Elves, Sisters of Battle, Space Marines, BFG, Tyranids, Chaos Marines, Bloodthirster, Adeptus Arbites, Titans, Necromunda, Inquisitor.
Jes Goodwin creates the look of the 40k universe. Blanche just like to draw bondage chicks with bionic arms and faces.
I've just realised that my copy of The Gothic and The Eldritch is MIA since before my previous move. Got to get into the book boxes in storage and rescue it. Along with most of WD 100-300, my Warzone books, and a bunch of roleplaying books...
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Post by: Malika2
But Blanche is also GW's art director if I'm not mistaken. Blanche really created the twisted feel for 40k all the other artists are applying to their 40k art.
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Post by: Fafnir
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Fafnir wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.
We also don't see a lot of his work, since he's still the custodian of the look of 40k and much of it stays at the concept stage for GW. He's responsible for more than just the kind of abstract and daemonic artwork we see in the borders of WD articles.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Brother SRM wrote: Fafnir wrote:I've said it before, and I'll say it again, say what you will of his technical skill, his actual ideas have managed to shape the entire 40k universe into something distinct from the other sci-fi worlds that are often compared to it, and are invaluable. His work may not be pretty, but it sure as hell is interesting.
We also don't see a lot of his work, since he's still the custodian of the look of 40k and much of it stays at the concept stage for GW. He's responsible for more than just the kind of abstract and daemonic artwork we see in the borders of WD articles.
Ah yes, but, you see that doesn't count, according to the "Scribble Brigade", because other people then use his work as a base and change it. Essentially, they argue that concept artists the world over are irrelevant to the creative process. Or at least, they would, if they could bring themselves to acknowledge that is the logical outcome of the arguments they use against Blanche, rather than pretending he's a unique and special case in order to justify their personal dislike of his style.
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Post by: yukihyou
Well back to the subject matter at hand. Ive been told:- less than 20 figures, not much terrain if any , some counters and templates, range rules and 3-4 book type things
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Post by: porkuslime
told by.....who?
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Post by: yukihyou
Some guy who works at a LGS , who was told by a marketing rep. salt needed
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Post by: Malika2
I heard from some guy somewhere who knows another guy that GW are going to make a Thunderhawk model with spring loaded missiles.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Guys who work at stores, GW or not, know just as much as we do.
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Post by: Theophony
Less more often than more.
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Post by: Manchu
 Oakenshield wrote:I really don't see this one happening, especially with the rumor hitting so close to release.
This is the new normal. If anything, this rumor started a little further ahead of many contemporary rumors (that prove true). Automatically Appended Next Post: What does that mean? Automatically Appended Next Post: Malika2 wrote:But Blanche is also GW's art director if I'm not mistaken. Blanche really created the twisted feel for 40k all the other artists are applying to their 40k art.
Jess Goodwin was doing pictures of Elves for D&D in 1984 that would later become the GW standard. I agree that Blanche has provided a huge amount but the elements of WHFB's and 40k's art styles don't all lead back to him.
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Post by: Malika2
Hmm, I think there's a difference between style and feel.
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Post by: Manchu
You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.
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Post by: Mr. Konrad
I am really looking forward to see what the new miniatures look like. The rules....eh..... who needs another game? The current "community" edition of Necromunda is really good. There is an "Inquisimunda" out there too. A 6th edition Killzone is in the works I hear. Guys play the Inquisitor game in 28mm, right?
It does seem sort of ironic that this would be coming out so soon after GW finally put Specialist Games out of it's lingering misery.
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Post by: Brother SRM
That's what I'm figuring! Worst case scenario, I get another cool Necromunda gang
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Post by: DustGod
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:Whether or not you personally like Blanche's work or style, bear in mind that he oversees and mentors much of the inhouse artist's and what they produce. He's been there since the beginning and his influence flows through many of the above named artists, the sculptors and the design team.
I'm thankful to him for his continued contributions and glad he's still there, linking the current GW to the very first days of inhouse production. In recent years, many of us have been concerned about the shift in aesthetic in minis and I feel without Blanche at Nottingham, that might well speed up or change the entire range and aesthetic completely, leaving us with World of Warhammercraft looks forever.
I'm off to look at a 3 headed minotaur with a back banner of the Mona Lisa!
I agree with Stompa (did I just say that?!?)
Warhammer and especially 40k has been shaped by the style and designs of Blanche… he’s sort of the guy who really made it “grimdark” and his works influence almost all thing Imperial.
He’s the reason everything looks like it does for the most part.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 Mr. Konrad wrote:It does seem sort of ironic that this would be coming out so soon after GW finally put Specialist Games out of it's lingering misery.
How is that ironic and not, you know, good business sense?
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Post by: Malika2
 Manchu wrote:You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by: jah-joshua
Malika2 wrote: Manchu wrote:You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
i think, in this case, you are both right...
Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...
John Blanche has had two very different art styles (his original finished illustrations and his newer loose sketches), and had a larger influence on the over all aesthetic of the two settings (fantasy and sci-fi)...
behind these two come a long list of brilliant artists, sculptors, and mini painters that have also contributed to the style and feel of the settings...
the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...
anyway, it will be interesting to see if this game actually comes out, and if it will have some new art...
GW art has always been brilliant, for the most part...
cheers
jah
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Post by: pgmason
Theother thing to consider is for most of the last couple of decades Blanche has been the Art Director, as well as one of the artists. He's the one who commissions the artwork and writes the briefs to a large extent. That's given him enormous influence over the look and feel of both Warhammer and 40k.
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Post by: Medium of Death
If the mono-pose chaos marines & cultists from DV are anythign to go by then I'm very much looking forward to seeing what is planned for this release.
I'm expecting great things if this rumour is proven to be true. Please don't let me/us down GW!
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Post by: DeffDred
jah-joshua wrote:Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...
He did way more than just influence. The models are created by him. He is the defining power behind the look of 40k.
Saying Blanche is the creative factor behind it all is like saying George Lucas is the driving creative power behind the SW saga.
Lucus had an idea... an army of people made the universe as we know it today.
the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...
I have all GW publications. Blanche makes me puke. Sketches are done in pencil. Blanche uses ink and watercolor. Thus when he signs his name... the artwork is a finished piece.
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Post by: Fafnir
You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.
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Post by: DeffDred
Fafnir wrote:You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.
Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.
They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.
Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?
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Post by: jah-joshua
DeffDred wrote: jah-joshua wrote:Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...
He did way more than just influence. The models are created by him. He is the defining power behind the look of 40k.
Saying Blanche is the creative factor behind it all is like saying George Lucas is the driving creative power behind the SW saga.
Lucus had an idea... an army of people made the universe as we know it today.
the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...
I have all GW publications. Blanche makes me puke. Sketches are done in pencil. Blanche uses ink and watercolor. Thus when he signs his name... the artwork is a finished piece.
when i said Jes had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the minis, i was talking about his sculpting...
i know he is a good sculptor, because i collect his minis...
as for Blanche, if you have all GW publications, then you should own Ratspike...
that book has some of Blanche's best work...
it also happens to be about 22 years old...
as i said, the man has had a long career, and two distinct styles...
also, the covers of big box games like 40k 4th. ed., Battlefleet Gothic, and Epic were all amazing paintings by him, not to mention the original Sisters of Battle codex...
i never said he was the creative factor behind all of 40K, i said him and Jes are both talented and influential...
not to mention the long line of artists who have worked alongside them...
i said he has had a larger influence of the overall aesthetic of the two settings (warhammer and 40K)...
being the Art Director will have that effect...
you don't have to agree with me, or like any particular artists work, but there is no need to put words in my mouth...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Orock
Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k? Or is this pretty much that. I would love a game where they had rules for every 40k army to play skirmish, but be different than the 6th ed rules, make each model count a lot more.
No interest at all in looking like the villan from the 5th element with a servo skull flying around me, as I "accuse" the innocent of herasy with accuser class bullets.
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Post by: Yodhrin
DeffDred wrote: Fafnir wrote:You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.
Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.
They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.
Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?
Funny, since the Impressionists pretty much torpedo your entire whinge, considering they were a group considered by the art community of their time to be talentless hacks, and even the term "impressionist" is derived from a negative satirical piece published in a French newspaper. Today they are considered up there with the Renaissance when discussing important periods in art history; you can deride Blanche all you like, but don't pretend you have some objective basis for that derision - he has technical skill, you personally dislike the style he creates with that skill.
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Post by: Fafnir
DeffDred wrote: Fafnir wrote:You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.
Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.
They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.
Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?
The impressionist paintings themselves were quick sketches of solitary moments. Doesn't make them any less of a form of 'art.' The entire point of the movement was to make the paintings as quick as possible, in order to capture the feel of a specific venue at a specific moment, rather than taking time to do the absolute details.
Just because sketches are done quickly, does not lessen their importance or value. In many cases, a sketch can represent an idea in its most immediate and unmolested form, since it is generally meant to be done just to get a general idea out onto the paper. Some artists' best work comes in the form of sketches. Looking at the work of other artists, a lot of the times, their 'unfinished' work can be their most interesting.
That said, the issue of value concerning GW's books rarely has anything to do with the artwork in it, but a slew of other issues.
But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.
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Post by: Alpharius
Youch!
C'mon guys - you're making it hard for me to continue to stay positive about this one!
I understand that news and rumors on this one are hard to come by right now, but please, let's all try and stay polite and on topic in here, OK?
Thanks!
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Fafnir wrote:
But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.
Dude, you need to dial that ego down... I actually agree with everything you said but this absolute lack of class at the end just doesn't do any of them any justice.
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Post by: Lockark
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Fafnir wrote:
But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.
Dude, you need to dial that ego down... I actually agree with everything you said but this absolute lack of class at the end just doesn't do any of them any justice.
I thought it was a funny little note for him to finish his post off on. I think we both read that in a whole different tone my friend.
Needless to say, I'm still looking foreword to more substantial rumours and details about this game.
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Post by: notprop
Fafnir wrote:..But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.
How long until they train you to finish something?
I keeed, I keeed!
I'm with Alph on this one, lets keep the vibes positive that this will happen.
I personally hope there is a bit of complexity to the rules certainly not abstracted to the level of 40k. Necromunda as a starting point rather than Inquisitor would be my preference.
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Post by: Fafnir
For what it's worth, I meant that in a more jovial way than anything else.
That said, I finish things occasionally. I just hate them most of the time and have to start over again is all.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
JB's stuff is exactly that sketches, Ian Miller's and Adrian Smith's stuff convey it much better IMHO.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Orock wrote:Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k? Or is this pretty much that. I would love a game where they had rules for every 40k army to play skirmish, but be different than the 6th ed rules, make each model count a lot more.
No interest at all in looking like the villan from the 5th element with a servo skull flying around me, as I "accuse" the innocent of herasy with accuser class bullets.
Psst... click my sig.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k?
They did, it was called Necromunda in 1995. Mordheim was actually a Necromunda-like game for Fantasy.
I bought Necromunda and Man O' War and never bought another such game thereafter seeing how GW treated those games:two years past release they were all but forgotten by GW with little to no support.
I did buy Space Hulk 2009 (it's fabulous) and even Dreadfleet (love the models and the game is passable fun) precisely because I didn't have to worry about support or buying expansions. Space Hulk is a great stand-alone game.
GW deliberately divested itself of board game production about two decades ago and more recently it closed its subsidiary Black Industries which produced GW board games and role play games, hence the last two board games were special limited run sales boosters. GW licenses FFG to produce board games based on Warhammer ever since they closed Black Industries. While most people here seem to understand that I repeatedly see comments that indicate that there is a need to repeat this explanation.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Orock wrote:No interest at all in looking like the villan from the 5th element with a servo skull flying around me, as I "accuse" the innocent of herasy with accuser class bullets.
Well, then we can all be shot at with hearsay bullets! Heresy... herasy... hearsay... news and rumours...
Thank you, I'll be here all night, ladies and gentlemen!
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Does anyone remember if the last space hulk got a big WD push before it came out?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Its existence was denied on Games Day Germany one day before release, so no. Only when it was sold out was it safe to talk about it in WD.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Kroothawk wrote:
Its existence was denied on Games Day Germany one day before release, so no. Only when it was sold out was it safe to talk about it in WD.
So we can probably expect the same type of treatment with this one 
With all the leaked SM pics I was worried about the lack of new rumors. Still jazzed about this rumor.
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Post by: evildrcheese
 Insurgency Walker wrote: Kroothawk wrote:
Its existence was denied on Games Day Germany one day before release, so no. Only when it was sold out was it safe to talk about it in WD.
So we can probably expect the same type of treatment with this one
With all the leaked SM pics I was worried about the lack of new rumors. Still jazzed about this rumor.
It does seem odd that we've heard nothing further, but are getting rumors for Nids in Nov...
D
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Post by: rustproof
Everything you have been told is a lie.../thread
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Post by: Red Viper
You said that in the last thread too.
Are you for serious or just messing around. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by: Alpharius
It is a 'joke' that has been inflicted upon us ever since GW famously said it...just before they 'revealed' Space Hulk to the world...
...even though the world already knew it was coming.
I think.
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Post by: Ozymandias
It predates Space Hulk, it was the tagline to the original Inquisitor game. They had a big =I= in WD with the words "Everything you have been told is a lie." This was back when they actually announced things more than -3 days* in advance.
*It's negative 3 days because by the time they announce it, it's already sold out.
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Post by: rustproof
I haven't the faintest clue, I just think its quite a fitting statement considering not only the subject matter, but the situation with the unknown quantities of gw's release schedule. (I hope it is true because its like 6th edition for me, straight from my wishlist..) Automatically Appended Next Post: Also there was a website with a code to figure out, as a child I rang the trolls at lenton to get the answer to see what the site was, he said: "The end always justifys the means, try to keep this in mind" or something..TEAJTM was the password and it was a site about Brother Artemis of the Deathwatch if I remember right.. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Ozymandias wrote:It predates Space Hulk, it was the tagline to the original Inquisitor game. They had a big =I= in WD with the words "Everything you have been told is a lie." This was back when they actually announced things more than -3 days* in advance.
*It's negative 3 days because by the time they announce it, it's already sold out.
^^This
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Post by: Red Viper
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by: Alpharius
I thought it was specially used in reference to the "Mystery Box" the year Space Hulk came out too though?
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Post by: Dullspork
As somebody who owns stores and speaks frequently with GW I can tell you that this is true - for the most part. Every now and then I get confirmation of rumors but only when release dates are so close that it doesn't really matter anymore. Most of the time my rep doesn't even know about the rumors on the net or chooses to pretend that he's not heard of them. I like torturing him with talking about things that I know he can't talk about.
Oh, and I contractually couldn't speak about anything publicly even if he told me stuff.
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Post by: Puscifer
I really hope that this skirmish game is being released.
I'm finding tabletop army scale games waaaay too expensive to continue with and skirmish games seem to be the way fwd.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Alpharius wrote:I thought it was specially used in reference to the "Mystery Box" the year Space Hulk came out too though?
Indeed, GW crew on GD Germany wore T-Shirts with this slogan, mocking the fact that one day before release, they were not allowed to say anything.
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Post by: Dr. Bizarre
This would tie-in with the release schedule that was leaked last summer, with the genestealer cults and arbites enforcer on it...
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Post by: Malika2
Genestealer Cults and Arbites?
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Post by: Yodhrin
Dr. Bizarre wrote:This would tie-in with the release schedule that was leaked last summer, with the genestealer cults and arbites enforcer on it...
It's fake, wrong, debunked, incorrect, false, a prank, nonsense, etc etc etc. We've known that for months now, why do people keep referring to it?
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Post by: Nurgle
Our GW is doing a midnight release for this
Will keep you posted
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Post by: Alpharius
 Nurgle wrote:Our GW is doing a midnight release for this
Will keep you posted
Did they give any details?
And, on what date?
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Post by: Pacific
Is it pure coincidence that this is going to arrive at a similar time to Mantic's Deadzone? Also the concept would sound to be quite similar..
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Post by: plastictrees
 Pacific wrote:Is it pure coincidence that this is going to arrive at a similar time to Mantic's Deadzone? Also the concept would sound to be quite similar..
Yes? Isn't this when GW has always released this sort of product?
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Post by: timetowaste85
I thought we weren't getting our first Deadzone shipments until early December.  I'd be happy to be wrong though, I just don't remember.
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Post by: Accolade
I don't believe there is any connection between an Inquisition release and Deadzone.
I *do* think that GW has been watching all of the money flowing through skirmish games and have been licking their chops. The only question is how do they exploit it? Why, by making it the mystery box that comes out generally in the fall of some years! Which I feel has brought about all of the talk on whether or not an Inquisition game would be supported or left out to be sold for exorbitant prices on eBay.
Honestly, I feel they had the right sort of idea many years ago with Inquisitor, but the scale was incompatible with the vast resources players had in 40k and I doubt many would want to go about making upscale versions of terrain from the exact same universe. This time around as long as the models are in 28mm scale it will sell very well.
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Post by: Eilif
 Accolade wrote:
Honestly, I feel they had the right sort of idea many years ago with Inquisitor, but the scale was incompatible with the vast resources players had in 40k and I doubt many would want to go about making upscale versions of terrain from the exact same universe. This time around as long as the models are in 28mm scale it will sell very well.
I think the Skirmish "Idea" (and the fluff/art) was just about the only thing they got right about Inquisitor. The scale choice was far from the only problem. Rather it was that they produced an overly granular Ruleset that didn't know whether it wanted to be an RPG or a really complicated wargame. Inquisitor has it's fans for whom the mix was just right, but not many.
Especially baffling, considering they already had at least 4 examples (with many shared mechanics) of Warband Skirmish games that were fairly well received by players. They could have used mechanics from any or all of Mordheim, Necromunda, LoTR SBG or Legends of the Old West and put out a great Warband Skirmish game, but they didn't. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Information leaks about Space Marines for Sept. and Tyranids for Nov. are some of the largest and earliest in a few years, yet there is still not a shred of substantiating evidence for this October "mystery box" (shudder) rumor. It seems a bit odd in light of how much has leaked out about the releases for the surrounding months.
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Post by: Oaka
Nurgle wrote:Our GW is doing a midnight release for this
Will keep you posted
If any company would attempt a midnight release party for a product they won't reveal until then, it's GW. They'll probably take preorders while people wait in line, too, without any idea what it's for yet.
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Post by: plastictrees
 Oaka wrote: Nurgle wrote:Our GW is doing a midnight release for this
Will keep you posted
If any company would attempt a midnight release party for a product they won't reveal until then, it's GW. They'll probably take preorders while people wait in line, too, without any idea what it's for yet.
Taking preorders would be an admission that there was something to preorder. Attendance at the midnight release will determine staff pay at that location for the next year, but any release of information will result in immediate termination.
Hiring a paranoid schizophrenic locked in a box as your head of marketing was always more of a long range approach, but we are finally starting to see it pay off for GW.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Especially baffling, considering they already had at least 4 examples (with many shared mechanics) of Warband Skirmish games that were fairly well received by players. They could have used mechanics from any or all of Mordheim, Necromunda, LoTR SBG or Legends of the Old West and put out a great Warband Skirmish game, but they didn't. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
Don't forget Gorkamorka! Nearly the exact same mechanics as Necromunda and Mordheim, but introduced well-balanced and functioning vehicle rules to the mix.
All GW really would have to do is release a hybrid of the Necromunda and Gorkamorka rulesets, and remove the gang theme and replace it with soldiers from warbands in the greater 40K universe, and they would have a sure-hit. Tons of people already love how those games play on the table, despite doing all of GW's work for them with ongoing support.
Alas, I don't think they are capable in the least of supporting a game that doesn't have the sheer inertia of their main two games (the only thing really keeping them on top) as they have proven such a thing time and again with every single game produced through Specialist Games. They support non-core games for about two seconds, and then they immediately move on.
Also, their skirmish games of the past were based upon the 2nd edition 40K ruleset, which worked awesome for such games- which were better suitable for such skirmish rules in the first place than for the main wargame, I think. But I expect this one to be based on the 6th edition ruleset, so they can indoctrinate players into the main 40K game that much easier. Which seems to me like it will have lots of bland stats, backed up by figures having keywords to give them "special qualities" like in the main game.
I hate to be pessimistic, but I have been with GW since the mid-90's and have seen all of their blunders.
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Post by: Bomster
I'm horribly torn on this - while I would really, really like to see an well-made Inquisition-themed skirmish game, my wallet would be really, really, REALLY grateful if they were to publish a Blood Bowl set.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
 AegisGrimm wrote:Especially baffling, considering they already had at least 4 examples (with many shared mechanics) of Warband Skirmish games that were fairly well received by players. They could have used mechanics from any or all of Mordheim, Necromunda, LoTR SBG or Legends of the Old West and put out a great Warband Skirmish game, but they didn't. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
Don't forget Gorkamorka! Nearly the exact same mechanics as Necromunda and Mordheim, but introduced well-balanced and functioning vehicle rules to the mix.
All GW really would have to do is release a hybrid of the Necromunda and Gorkamorka rulesets, and remove the gang theme and replace it with soldiers from warbands in the greater 40K universe, and they would have a sure-hit. Tons of people already love how those games play on the table, despite doing all of GW's work for them with ongoing support.
I'm not sure about Gorkamorka adding functioning vehcile rules. Replayed it recently and it was chart after chart after chart for the vehicles and far too much checking per shot.
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Post by: Mr. Konrad
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: AegisGrimm wrote:Especially baffling, considering they already had at least 4 examples (with many shared mechanics) of Warband Skirmish games that were fairly well received by players. They could have used mechanics from any or all of Mordheim, Necromunda, LoTR SBG or Legends of the Old West and put out a great Warband Skirmish game, but they didn't. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
Don't forget Gorkamorka! Nearly the exact same mechanics as Necromunda and Mordheim, but introduced well-balanced and functioning vehicle rules to the mix.
All GW really would have to do is release a hybrid of the Necromunda and Gorkamorka rulesets, and remove the gang theme and replace it with soldiers from warbands in the greater 40K universe, and they would have a sure-hit. Tons of people already love how those games play on the table, despite doing all of GW's work for them with ongoing support.
I'm not sure about Gorkamorka adding functioning vehcile rules. Replayed it recently and it was chart after chart after chart for the vehicles and far too much checking per shot.
I recently replayed it too. Gorkamorka addvehicle MAL-functioning rules. It's not a game, it's a random Orky vehicular mayhem generator. So much fun we've got a game scheduled for next month! WAAAAAAGH! CRASH! BOOM!
There is a fan-based "Inquisimunda" rules set that grafts other races into the Necromunda rules. I have a buddy who was using the Inquisimunda Ork list and I used a standard Goliath gang. Good fun too. Though I suspect that if we played a long campaign with lots of different races, odd game balance issues would crop up. The original Necromunda and Mordheim had their share of problems too.
But yeah, if GW actually pulled something like Inquisimunda off, it would be brilliant. I could play Necromunda every day, but not everyone is into the setting. "HIve Gangs? I wanna be a Space Mahreen!"
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Post by: Eilif
AegisGrimm wrote:Especially baffling, considering they already had at least 4 examples (with many shared mechanics) of Warband Skirmish games that were fairly well received by players. They could have used mechanics from any or all of Mordheim, Necromunda, LoTR SBG or Legends of the Old West and put out a great Warband Skirmish game, but they didn't. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
Don't forget Gorkamorka! Nearly the exact same mechanics as Necromunda and Mordheim, but introduced well-balanced and functioning vehicle rules to the mix...
...I hate to be pessimistic, but I have been with GW since the mid-90's and have seen all of their blunders.
Yeah, I should probably have mentioned Gorka. I left it off the list because even when it was out, I always just thought of it as Ork-ro-munda. As you point out, though it had it's own features, and a good sized miniatures range, so definitely bears mentioning.
I do take your point about GW's history with small games, though I actually think it's a natural choice for a company to have a few main games and a subset that only last for a number of years. Sort of like what LEGO does in that they have "Evergreen" Themes (Town, Castle, Space, etc) that are either always around or disappear and reappear periodically and they also have licensed and more experimental themes (Indiana Jones, Explorers, Atlantis) that have shorter shelf life and only one.
What surprises me is that Dreadfleet and the recent Space Hulk edition didn't capitalize on that 3-8 year lifespan that they could have had.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Pacific wrote:Is it pure coincidence that this is going to arrive at a similar time to Mantic's Deadzone? Also the concept would sound to be quite similar..
I'd say it's a coincidence. GW models take 18-30 months to actually come out from the time they're initially designed, so unless they were just sitting on this stuff for a long, long time, it's purely coincidence.
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Post by: Breotan
Brother SRM wrote: Pacific wrote:Is it pure coincidence that this is going to arrive at a similar time to Mantic's Deadzone? Also the concept would sound to be quite similar..
I'd say it's a coincidence. GW models take 18-30 months to actually come out from the time they're initially designed, so unless they were just sitting on this stuff for a long, long time, it's purely coincidence.
And why would GW ever be concerned about Mantic? Except for people using Mantic modes as filler for WHFB games, I don't think they even show up on GW's radar.
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Post by: frozenwastes
It used to be that no competition for GW could account for more than a percentage point of the market. Now you have companies that are comprising full percentage points of GW's revenue. Some are pulling in tons of money just in Kickstarter revenue (and then Mantic reported that 3 times as many copies of Dreadball sold through distribution than through Kickstarter. If this holds true for Deadzone...). Start adding the companies together. A couple percent for Corvus Belli and their Infinity line. Privateer is a multimillion dollar business. That's more percentage points. Flames of War and now Warlord (with their partnership with Osprey) continue to bring historicals to those who were once only sci-fi and fantasy gamers.. Renedra (a plastic tooling company made up of former GW employees) is so busy they have waiting lists.
We're no longer at a state where there's GW and a bunch of irrelevant players. As there are so many small competitors that are each now taking in a percent or two of GW's revenue that they add together into a major source of competition.
GW better pay attention to them as they are all growing and GW is just keeping pace with inflation after their price increases.
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Post by: Eilif
frozenwastes wrote:
We're no longer at a state where there's GW and a bunch of irrelevant players. As there are so many small competitors that are each now taking in a percent or two of GW's revenue that they add together into a major source of competition.
GW better pay attention to them as they are all growing and GW is just keeping pace with inflation after their price increases.
I hadn't thought of it this way, but viewed collectively, you're right. Also, if you're correct (and I suspect you are) that all/most the other companies are growing, then it puts the situation even more into focus.
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Post by: Breotan
I wasn't talking about Privateer Press, I was talking about Mantic. Most of those small companies you mentioned are stepping all over each other's toes as much (or even more) than on GW's. Hell, WizKids had a larger market share than Mantic and clix was crap for miniatures.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Mantic is just another example among many of smaller model count games that are growing while 40k doesn't really.
GW is very smart to get in on the segment of the market that is growing. If this rumour is true at all.
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
frozenwastes wrote:Mantic is just another example among many of smaller model count games that are growing while 40k doesn't really.
GW is very smart to get in on the segment of the market that is growing. If this rumour is true at all.
I thought Mantic was all about large model counts, especially in KoW.
~Ti,?
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Post by: timetowaste85
Mantic is also partially made up of ex GW staff. May no be a lot of them, but when they take the ideas that work and skip the stuff that the vocal players dislike...they have nowhere to go but up. Meanwhile, GW goes...nowhere.
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Post by: Kroothawk
This seems to fit here:
via An Anonmyous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
Some insights into models that are coming down the track.
A:I have seen a plastic adeptus mechanicus sprue with servitors and human sized (i.e. not space marine) adepts. This definitely exists because I have seen it, so don't confuse it with my second point, although I don't know where it fits in with the release schedule.
B: for over a year I have been seeing various photos of greens, and CAD print outs - so not just concept sketches - for imperial models that are familiar to the inquisition books. I have seen custodes-style models, arco-flaggelants, and ogryn-sized servitors (greens) - as well as a pretty big tank that looks like a cross between a land raider and a leman russ, in the style of the exorcist (CAD).
it seems to have become common knowledge in circles that A) the studio has definite plans for all this, and that B) there will be a 'new' race army book at some point at the end of this edition, similar to Dark Eldar.
'like Dark Eldar' I simply meant that, from the business's perspective, Dark Eldar were a new race when they got their latest codex and models. So 'new race' doesn't necessarily mean something like Tau in 2001, and I'm fully expecting it to be an imperial faction.
A and B may be unrelated. But, based on this, I am guessing that either that this is where sisters of battle will end up, or that their relaunch will be refocused on the weirder parts of the Imperium. I just want to make it clear though, I've never seen a new sisters of battle sculpt
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Post by: Yodhrin
Kroothawk wrote:This seems to fit here:
via An Anonmyous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
Some insights into models that are coming down the track.
A:I have seen a plastic adeptus mechanicus sprue with servitors and human sized (i.e. not space marine) adepts. This definitely exists because I have seen it, so don't confuse it with my second point, although I don't know where it fits in with the release schedule.
B: for over a year I have been seeing various photos of greens, and CAD print outs - so not just concept sketches - for imperial models that are familiar to the inquisition books. I have seen custodes-style models, arco-flaggelants, and ogryn-sized servitors (greens) - as well as a pretty big tank that looks like a cross between a land raider and a leman russ, in the style of the exorcist (CAD).
it seems to have become common knowledge in circles that A) the studio has definite plans for all this, and that B) there will be a 'new' race army book at some point at the end of this edition, similar to Dark Eldar.
'like Dark Eldar' I simply meant that, from the business's perspective, Dark Eldar were a new race when they got their latest codex and models. So 'new race' doesn't necessarily mean something like Tau in 2001, and I'm fully expecting it to be an imperial faction.
A and B may be unrelated. But, based on this, I am guessing that either that this is where sisters of battle will end up, or that their relaunch will be refocused on the weirder parts of the Imperium. I just want to make it clear though, I've never seen a new sisters of battle sculpt
This must be wishlisting. It must be, because if it isn't, I just mercilessly beat the last shred of optimistic anticipation out of my inner child for nothing. I will not allow myself to be excited at the idea of plastic AdMech, because it's simply too good to be true.
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Post by: darkeldarcrone
I just want for this!! Cannot wait for more to revealed and actually buy it
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Post by: Nosebiter
"Anonymous" source......
Ill believe this when it lands in my lap, not a second before.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote: frozenwastes wrote:Mantic is just another example among many of smaller model count games that are growing while 40k doesn't really.
GW is very smart to get in on the segment of the market that is growing. If this rumour is true at all.
I thought Mantic was all about large model counts, especially in KoW.
~Ti,?
They are, but their best sellers ended up being their lower model count games. Dreadball at around 10 figures per player and Deadzone around the same. So while they may have things like Kings of War that take a couple hundred figures, the demand seems to be for the smaller games.
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Post by: Da krimson barun
frozenwastes wrote:Space Hulk, Dreadfleet and Hobbit were all limited edition box sets. That's why.
the hobbit isn't limited edition.Well GW acts like it is....
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Post by: Pacific
 Breotan wrote: Brother SRM wrote: Pacific wrote:Is it pure coincidence that this is going to arrive at a similar time to Mantic's Deadzone? Also the concept would sound to be quite similar..
I'd say it's a coincidence. GW models take 18-30 months to actually come out from the time they're initially designed, so unless they were just sitting on this stuff for a long, long time, it's purely coincidence.
And why would GW ever be concerned about Mantic? Except for people using Mantic modes as filler for WHFB games, I don't think they even show up on GW's radar.
Here is my reasoning Breotan
- Mantic is headed by ex- GW Ronnie Renton, ex GW games designers Jake Thornton and Alessio Calvatore also work for them, amongst others. They all live in and around Nottingham, and have known each other for a long time. There is a fair amount of cross over between the development guys, and even though I know GW has a hilarious level of self-importance regarding secrecy, ultimately people have to make the games and sculpt the miniatures. Iif they all know each other anyway it's not a big stretch to imagine Mantic knowing what GW has got coming down the road, or at least have more of an idea then we have.
- Some reports have the current edition of WFB not selling particularly well compared to previous incarnations or GWs other game. It might be they have done a 'reasons why' and, perhaps rightly, identified Mantics miniatures and 'unit fillers' as one of those reasons. You buy a box of zombies these days and know of both company's products, it's far more likely that you're going to go for Mantic's stuff.
- In some cases GW sit on stuff a hell of a lot longer than 18 months. Some bits are sat waiting for a release window, others may never actually be released, but there is certainly a long heads up.
The alternative explanation is that this may indeed be entirely coincidental - the idea of a sci-fi skirmish game is hardly ground-breaking, and GW and Mantic are occupying a very similar niche in terms of the miniature wargaming hobby.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Pacific wrote:
Here is my reasoning Breotan
- Mantic is headed by ex- GW Ronnie Renton, ex GW games designers Jake Thornton and Alessio Calvatore also work for them, amongst others. They all live in and around Nottingham, and have known each other for a long time. There is a fair amount of cross over between the development guys, and even though I know GW has a hilarious level of self-importance regarding secrecy, ultimately people have to make the games and sculpt the miniatures. Iif they all know each other anyway it's not a big stretch to imagine Mantic knowing what GW has got coming down the road, or at least have more of an idea then we have.
- Some reports have the current edition of WFB not selling particularly well compared to previous incarnations or GWs other game. It might be they have done a 'reasons why' and, perhaps rightly, identified Mantics miniatures and 'unit fillers' as one of those reasons. You buy a box of zombies these days and know of both company's products, it's far more likely that you're going to go for Mantic's stuff.
- In some cases GW sit on stuff a hell of a lot longer than 18 months. Some bits are sat waiting for a release window, others may never actually be released, but there is certainly a long heads up.
The alternative explanation is that this may indeed be entirely coincidental - the idea of a sci-fi skirmish game is hardly ground-breaking, and GW and Mantic are occupying a very similar niche in terms of the miniature wargaming hobby.
Yes. But Mantic generated some US$ 3 Million in revenue in 4 Kickstarters over the last 2 years. Let's say they did three times that again outside the Kickstarters (being generous), they'll currently run some 5 to 6 Million USD in revenues a year (probably less). GW had revenues north of 200 million USD in 2012.
And most of Mantic's customers are arguably "old" hobbyists disgruntled with GW games, rather than GW's target group of "new" customers fresh into the hobby. So Mantic's profit is likely cut more from guys like Wyrd Games. If you don't know the hobby, you won't know Mantic, who sell their games/miniatures mainly in specialized online-stores and Kickstarter.
If GW identified Mantic as a reason why one of their game-lines isn't doing very well, they surely are chasing down the wrong road. Mantic simply aren't on that scale. And unlike other companies, they usually have designers, sculptors, etc. on a tight legal leash even after they leave (e.g. Rick Priestly being unable to do sci-fi for a decade or so). GW isn't gonna get robbed on the scale of ... say ... Spartan Games having one of their employees run off with their 10mm sci-fi game to create Hawk Wargames.
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Post by: Pacific
Interesting points Zweischneid, I guess they are indeed operating on an entirely different scale.
Out of interest where did you read about Rick not being able to make sci-fi for 10 years out of GW? Amongst other stories I have heard about the reason for him leaving GW, most amusing was that he had been 'promoted' to the point where he wasn't actually doing any work
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Post by: Zweischneid
Pacific wrote:Interesting points Zweischneid, I guess they are indeed operating on an entirely different scale.
Out of interest where did you read about Rick not being able to make sci-fi for 10 years out of GW? Amongst other stories I have heard about the reason for him leaving GW, most amusing was that he had been 'promoted' to the point where he wasn't actually doing any work
I think it was during on of the interviews / articles for Gates of Antares (Beasts of War?). It was he himself saying he had a clause that prevented him from working on games that would be a competition to Warhammer 40K / Warhammer Fantasy, leaving him with little but the historical stuff he did with Warlord.
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Post by: frozenwastes
That's likely not true as his participation in the Battle For Antares failed Kickstarter doesn't really make sense if he has some sort of "do not compete" agreement.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The agreement had (finally) expired which was why he was launching Battle for Antares
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Post by: yukihyou
He was asking for allot though on that one, I looked at it and saw the Amount, thats why I never supported it..
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Post by: NAVARRO
So September almost around the corner and still no one's really sure, consider me disappointed with these rumourmongers
I believe 4 player action hints more for a board game action rather than a regular wargame, thats my ill informed gut feeling.
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Post by: BrookM
I think at this point we may as well lock this mostly off-topic thread and start a new one when something concrete filters through.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 NAVARRO wrote:So September almost around the corner and still no one's really sure, consider me disappointed with these rumourmongers
For September rumours, have a look at the 158 page Space Marine thread, then come back again and express your disappointment
 BrookM wrote:I think at this point we may as well lock this mostly off-topic thread and start a new one when something concrete filters through.
I prefer not to start 5 threads on the same topic. And the Space Marine thread generates 9 pages off topic talk PER DAY, so nothing to complain about yet.
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Post by: Yodhrin
It really would be nice to get at least vague confirmation one way or the other, although I suppose if GW actually are behind the slightly more detailed leaks of late as some have been speculating, they won't want anything taking the spotlight away from the Marines. And "plastic Blanchian Inquisition minis" would certain do that for quite a few of us.
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Post by: catharsix
yukihyou wrote:
He was asking for allot though on that one, I looked at it and saw the Amount, thats why I never supported it..
And, despite some time having elapsed since that was cancelled, the only word we hear of that project was the one "Hansa" mini being available for purchase. The lack of fanfare on that makes it seem like they were just trying to cash in on the only bit of relatively finished work that the ill-fated project actually generated, rather than any intention to actually follow through on promises that they'd return with more concrete stuff.
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Post by: Pacific
Rather than cast negative aspersions on Rick et al, I would say it more likely they realised the scale of the project while the KS was underway and beyond that. The Hansa miniature was already almost there, so why not release it? It was a good enough sculpt, and I can imagine people using it for any number of other games.
I think the issue behind GoS was that the scope of the project (of real time game universes, use of technology) was way beyond anything we have on the market right now, at least on the technological side of things. Warlord are a very small company, and it's possible that they didn't fully grasp the costs of developing something like that. I know Rick has some outside help with that side of things, but perhaps it wasn't fully committed?
I think you're right though, from looking at the state of the official forum, and the lack of new developments, the project is obviously dead for the time being. Perhaps though it has not been entirely wasted - as was the case early in his career, where Rick was the brains behind so many of the gaming concepts that millions of people have enjoyed over the years, someone else will pick up on his ideas for GoW (which I still think were fantastic) and have the will and means to realise some of those ideas in their own games..
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Post by: Zweischneid
Well, I wasn't intending to revive a discussion on the merits and flaws of GoA (or, better, the GoA Kickstarter).
The point was that, from what I remember from the interviews, Rick Priestley was free to do a Sci-Fi / Fantasy miniatures game in 2013, be it for himself (e.g. GoA) or even for others (e.g. All Quiet On the Martian Front), whether or not they succeed.
A few years earlier (from what I understand), GW-legal would've been after him for either of these jobs as breach of contract/no-competition-clause.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Makes sense.
I still wish there was some actual news about this possible product though. I keep checking the thread hoping that I'll find out whether or not questions I have about this supposed game have been answered yet, but I guess one advantage of GW's new super-secrecy policy is that it's easy to start rumours about anything.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
It would be cool for some leaked info but my guess is that it will be the sound of crickets until September 29th.
Until then let the wish listing continue.
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Post by: yukihyou
 Zweischneid wrote:Well, I wasn't intending to revive a discussion on the merits and flaws of GoA (or, better, the GoA Kickstarter).
The point was that, from what I remember from the interviews, Rick Priestley was free to do a Sci-Fi / Fantasy miniatures game in 2013, be it for himself (e.g. GoA) or even for others (e.g. All Quiet On the Martian Front), whether or not they succeed.
A few years earlier (from what I understand), GW-legal would've been after him for either of these jobs as breach of contract/no-competition-clause.
I feel I must add something. He must have gotten a fair severance package though. To be fiorced into a Legal contract like that just seems spiteful. Its like a nuclear physicist being told he could be any other type of physicist instead of a nuclear one for ten years or we will sue.
Honestly I think Its just going to end up being a wave month, no news nothing.
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Post by: Moopy
Kroothawk wrote:This seems to fit here:
via An Anonmyous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:
A:I have seen a plastic adeptus mechanicus sprue with servitors and human sized (i.e. not space marine) adepts. This definitely exists because I have seen it,
Dat logical fallacy...
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Post by: xxvaderxx
Zweischneid wrote: Pacific wrote:
Here is my reasoning Breotan
- Mantic is headed by ex- GW Ronnie Renton, ex GW games designers Jake Thornton and Alessio Calvatore also work for them, amongst others. They all live in and around Nottingham, and have known each other for a long time. There is a fair amount of cross over between the development guys, and even though I know GW has a hilarious level of self-importance regarding secrecy, ultimately people have to make the games and sculpt the miniatures. Iif they all know each other anyway it's not a big stretch to imagine Mantic knowing what GW has got coming down the road, or at least have more of an idea then we have.
- Some reports have the current edition of WFB not selling particularly well compared to previous incarnations or GWs other game. It might be they have done a 'reasons why' and, perhaps rightly, identified Mantics miniatures and 'unit fillers' as one of those reasons. You buy a box of zombies these days and know of both company's products, it's far more likely that you're going to go for Mantic's stuff.
- In some cases GW sit on stuff a hell of a lot longer than 18 months. Some bits are sat waiting for a release window, others may never actually be released, but there is certainly a long heads up.
The alternative explanation is that this may indeed be entirely coincidental - the idea of a sci-fi skirmish game is hardly ground-breaking, and GW and Mantic are occupying a very similar niche in terms of the miniature wargaming hobby.
[...]
And most of Mantic's customers are arguably "old" hobbyists disgruntled with GW games, rather than GW's target group of "new" customers fresh into the hobby. So Mantic's profit is likely cut more from guys like Wyrd Games. If you don't know the hobby, you won't know Mantic, who sell their games/miniatures mainly in specialized online-stores and Kickstarter.
[...]
You have just described the average Wargamer with 4+ years of this hobby under his belt. Given the declining yearly sales volumes, if renewable customers is GWs long term plan, it clearly aint working.
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Post by: yukihyou
And even GW's mantra of best figures on the planet no longer holds water.
They care about a Quick and easy buck, I've watched several of my favorite armies vanish into obscurity. And watch their Customer service go from helpful to the Spanish Inquisition.
Regardless. Nothing outside of a SoB release will make me return.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I'm totally on board for a skirmish game, even one that uses pseudo-6ed rules as this one will likely be. hell, I am painting warbands for the "In the Emperor's name" indie skirmish wargame. I don't care which ruleset governs my games, I just want skirmish-level action in my favorite Grimdark universe!
For the actual wargame, however.....I am still playing a hybrid 4th/5th edition with my buddy. No sense making all the material I have for that era completely irrelevant.
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Post by: ephrael
Yodhrin wrote:It really would be nice to get at least vague confirmation one way or the other, although I suppose if GW actually are behind the slightly more detailed leaks of late as some have been speculating, they won't want anything taking the spotlight away from the Marines. And "plastic Blanchian Inquisition minis" would certain do that for quite a few of us.
I feel exactly the same way Yodhrin and I agree that we probably won't hear much either way until the big Space Marine release. I have been spending my free hobby time modelling a war band just in case they do release a new game. If GW doesn't, I think that I can convince some of the guys in my local club to play Inq28 using the modified Necromunda rules. Either way I'll get the skirmish fix I'm looking for until Mantic's new game ships.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
In the Emperor's Name is also a fun and free skirmish ruleset, though be warned that the rules have very little in common with 40K, other than relative weapon and armor strengths. the new 3.0 rules are up fr download, but you have to use a formula in the rulebook to port in the weapons stats from 2.0 as costs of armor and weapons have changed.
http://iten-game.org/
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Post by: Alpharius
So...
...we're getting closer, and unfortunately, more rumor mongers are starting to lean towards Blood Bowl and, sadly, not a 28mm skirmish 40K Inquisition game.
Unless - someone's heard otherwise?
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Post by: pretre
To be fair, Hastings always went with Blood Bowl. Between Tasty and Hastings, I'd back Hastings.
That being said, there may be a bit of shuffling if this whole Dark Elf thing is true.
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Post by: Dr_Grimm
This is quite interesting, I can't wait to see where this goes!!!
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Post by: Alpharius
Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!
There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...
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Post by: RiTides
 pretre wrote:To be fair, Hastings always went with Blood Bowl. Between Tasty and Hastings, I'd back Hastings.
That being said, there may be a bit of shuffling if this whole Dark Elf thing is true.
Yeah, it's going to be an interesting October seeing how things fall out... seems like DE is very likely, so will a box game release (Bloodbowl!) get shifted back, released later in the month, or...
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Post by: Yodhrin
Alpharius wrote:Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!
There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...
Games Workshop really just hate money don't they. While I'm sure Blood Bowl would be nice for the hardcore fans, are enough Blood Bowl players really going to pay GW-splash-release prices for rules they already have and miniatures they can get much, much cheaper elsewhere? Alternative minis seem to be much more accepted in BB circles. By contrast an Inquisition game would sell to anyone who fancies the game, plus huge swathes of 40K players depending on what factions were in the box.
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Post by: Theophony
Alpharius wrote:Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!
There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...
Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.
I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.
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Post by: privateer4hire
This is interesting.
Had it been a 40k skirmish, I might have jumped in.
BloodBowl answers DreadBall.
Gets an established quantity in the stores.
People that wouldn't touch DB will lap up BB because it's GW and they know they can find opponents for a GW game.
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Post by: Kroothawk
IF it is Bloodbowl, plastic production would have started 2 years ago, well before Mantic had the "brilliant" idea" to make a football game.
That said, I am still counting on an Inquisition game this year rather than BB or nothing at all.
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Post by: Pacific
Damnit.. just when I've started to make some headway convincing people to play Dreadball...
Now it's going to be "wow come on, lets play this game again that we already played 17,000 times, only this time with slightly changed (worsened) rules and 4 times more expensive teams!"
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 BrassScorpion wrote:Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.
One rumour does not disprove another rumour.
And, as said several times in the other thread, it is still possible a.o. that the Mystery Box is released in 3rd week of the month, not interfering with 1st week releases.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
BrassScorpion wrote:Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.
Thankfully? Thankfully! I think somebody's butt is firmly planted in the hull breach. The whole point of the super secret black box is that you don't expect the inquisition.
Still have my thumb palmed for an Inq. Game. BB would be a disappointment for me.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
 Theophony wrote: Alpharius wrote:Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!
There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...
Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.
I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.
Then we wont be seeing it till 2031
I'd still be astonished if they did BB. Its a nice idea but unless they are going to redo all the teams i just cant see it. And i cant see GW putting that much effort into a splash release. Ill be sad if the Inquisimunda game doesn't materialise.
But yay Dark Elves. There is a line that needs some love.
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Post by: stormwell
 DiabolicAl wrote: Theophony wrote: Alpharius wrote:Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!
There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...
Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.
I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.
Then we wont be seeing it till 2031
I'd still be astonished if they did BB. Its a nice idea but unless they are going to redo all the teams i just cant see it. And i cant see GW putting that much effort into a splash release. Ill be sad if the Inquisimunda game doesn't materialise.
But yay Dark Elves. There is a line that needs some love.
Blood Bowl would seem a bit odd especially since GW killed of Specialist Games a few months back, to me it would seem bit of a U-turn.
A 40K skirmish game would be awesome long as GW doesn't screw it over from the start.
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Post by: notprop
Why is Bloodbowl an odd choice?
It is a hugely popular game, even now after being left without development for so many years.
It has had a (relatively successful) computer game with expansion and is about the only Specialist Game that there is plenty of players for. The club near me runs a BB tourney and league every year and pulls in 30 odd players and its not the only one.
A Tarted up Bloodbowl will sell as least as well as Spulk I would suggest.
I would rather the Inquisitor game this thread discusses but Bloodbowl would be a safe be and a popular one. I suspect I would pick it up and I've not played since the 1986 1st edition.
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Post by: Dundas
Given the rate they're churning out Codexes, I could see them maybe saving an skirmish/ inquisitor style game to fill in a bit of a gap between the last Codex being updated for 6th and the release of a 7th ed rule set.
I also just don't see a skirmish game fitting in the trend of previous big box releases, which were one off, self contained things which would suit bloodbowl better than a skirmish game. All just pure speculation tho.
I'd much prefer an Inquisitor style game, but must admit even tho I'm not a huge fan, if the box was up to the same production values as Space Hulk I could see me buying it.
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Post by: evildrcheese
Aw man. I was really hoping I could pick up the=I= game at Games Day, but it looks like even if it is released we it won't be available til Oct. Not fussed for Blood Bowl so i'd be sad if we never saw this.
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Post by: The Division Of Joy
My local club sees at least 3-4 games of BB each week, it's hugely popular
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Post by: stormwell
 notprop wrote:Why is Bloodbowl an odd choice?
It is a hugely popular game, even now after being left without development for so many years.
It has had a (relatively successful) computer game with expansion and is about the only Specialist Game that there is plenty of players for. The club near me runs a BB tourney and league every year and pulls in 30 odd players and its not the only one.
A Tarted up Bloodbowl will sell as least as well as Spulk I would suggest.
I would rather the Inquisitor game this thread discusses but Bloodbowl would be a safe be and a popular one. I suspect I would pick it up and I've not played since the 1986 1st edition.
I know Blood Bowl is hugely popular, so are Necromunda and Mordheim as I've noticed.
But I said in my post I would find BB a bit odd since GW pulled the plug on Specialist Games, though thats my opinion.
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