I'm going to get the boneripper and thanqoul miniature before I get the vermin lord. I prefer the look so much better and for 650 points its a better option but I'll try them both and buy everything mmmwahaha
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I can't really read the rules all that well...I wish that someone with a decent smartphone camera would take a picture....looks like the guy took the picture using an old blackberry or something haha
I am also going for skaven were steampunk longer. I'm pretty sure it was a skryre thing way before warmachine was around. Some of those skryre machines are super old. I find it funny seeing the old doomwheels. The skaven model line needs a big makeover but to be fair so do wood elves and bretonnia.
I'm much more interested in hearing about these new armored rat ogres. A lot of people prefer to ban big time named characters from games anyway.
I'm happy they got rid of thanquol with a separate profile though. Lord knows cannon fire would just peg him off boneripper every time.
I think if i had a choice between types of attacks i might go for warpfire projectors on boneripper and throw some template on top of slaves and whatever gets into combat with them. That said this is still a game about avoidance magical elf fast cavalry and right now what seems best is either the Eshin Vermin Lord (deceiver) or the possible new armored rat ogres with ratling guns.
I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about those new armoured rat ogres myself too! I probably wouldn't buy them unless they look dramatically different than the island of blood ones (okay that's not true I'd probably buy them lol) I just have 8 rat ogres now that I don't use so I'd like to put them to use.
The thing that ruins the new vermin lord s for me is their back. Why is it covered is nasty hair?! It looks like the sculptor just got lazy and said "ah let's just slap some hair on it and be done with it" that's one thing preventing me from preordering one. I'll see what they look like in my hands at the flgs before I decide but thanqoul and boneripper will be preordered with a copy of the book and anything else that comes out hopefully
The vermin lord just has a thicker mane of fur on his back. Besides we all know for humans back hair is gross and skaven are about that (nurgle too but whatever).
For me it's sad because i have a 50 USD gift card for GW and little else in the way of my own money to spend due to christmas wrecking my wallet. Also checks coming in at the end of the year before christmas. So my first week back was not only shorter but also included new years and no check. I'm practically living on table scraps at this point and little else.
So far i think my choice of vermin lord (eshin) has stayed the same but i'll wait to see all the rules just in case. I also might get the thanquol on boneripper model esp. since they're not separate and therefore thanquol won't die instantly which is super helpful (perhaps all cannonballs and BS shooting should hit all monsters as one unit from now on!). Hopefully that's a good way to handle this situation. Most likely i'll just get the new armored rat ogres.
So yeah i think i'll go for the armored rat ogres. Having interesting stuff at all is good though. I mean skaven don't have many hitty units. We're basically getting monstrous infantry and a monster (boneripper) that can shoot. Monsters that can shoot! That's a semi-big deal as i don't think any have shooting attacks yet (just magic spells unless pack mules/siege beasts with cannons count) and these weapons are pretty nasty.
I just hope weapons teams in the future either get a points decrease, some sort of ability to get a look out sir! from their parent unit or possibly can be bought to a maximum of 3 per parent unit like fanatics or something.
triplegrim wrote: Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.
Skaven have been steampunk longer than Warmahordes has existed.
Perhaps Skaven. But the ratmen is only one army. High elves, chaos, lizardmen, dark elves, wood elves, bretonnia, beastmen of chaos, orcs and goblins, ogre kingdoms, Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos is not and have never been steampunkish. I am just saying that I think the 9th edition will see us a more Beyond Thunderdome, gritty, cogwheel look.
triplegrim wrote: Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.
Skaven have been steampunk longer than Warmahordes has existed.
Perhaps Skaven. But the ratmen is only one army. High elves, chaos, lizardmen, dark elves, wood elves, bretonnia, beastmen of chaos, orcs and goblins, ogre kingdoms, Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos is not and have never been steampunkish. I am just saying that I think the 9th edition will see us a more Beyond Thunderdome, gritty, cogwheel look.
Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.
triplegrim wrote: Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.
That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....
triplegrim wrote: Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.
That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....
Or had the Steampunk elements in Warhammer not been there long before WMH came about...
triplegrim wrote: Look Bonerippers mechanical leg. I'm telling you, they are taking WHFB in a steampunk direction, to capitalize om Warmahordes success.
That would be true were Warmahordes a Steampunk setting....
Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.
It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.
Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.
It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.
I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.
no everybody get your point. What we don't get is the reason that makes you claim such a thing, since nothing so far in the EOT imply a move toward a steam punk setting
Yeah but none of those are steampunk at all, the only steampunk elements are Skaven, and parts or Empire and Dwarfs, and they always have been. I don't really get your point.
It is quite clear that you do not get my point. It is well known that WHFB sells quite poorly comared to 40k. which is why they are trying to do something new with the game. I think one of the directions they will take the game in, is to make it less high fantasy and Tolkienesque, and more steampunkish, in the sense that Warhmachine is steampunkish.
Nagash end times, 0 Steampunkiness, Glotkin end times, 0 steampunkiness, Malekith end times, 0 steampunkiness. Skaven End times goes, a faction that is NOTORIOUSLY STEAMPUNK (Seriously, you never seen the Doomwheel, Ratling guns, Warpfire throwers, Warplightning cannon, Doom-flayer or Ikit Claw, basically ANYTHING from clan Skryre?), and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.
I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.
and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.
I said I THINK they will take it in a more steampunk direction in 9th. That robotic leg of Boneripper is certainly something new. It is almost 40k-ish.
That they have eliminated 2 out of 3 elven factions and turned them into 1, scrapped kislev and probably bretonnia as well has reduced the fantasy elements for sure.
End Times is all about getting rid of stuff, not introducing it. I franklyd doubt characters such as Glottkin will be in the chaos book in 9th.
I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.
Now you're just exaggerating, I said I think they'll take it more in that direction in 9th edition. Quoting the robotic leg in this model. Anything could happen, but Skaven, a rather obscure faction gets a whole End of Time book of its own, closer to 9th edition with them kicking ass, judging from EOT 1 fluff, while the more traditional fantasy elements like the 3 elven factions have all been scrapped or downsized to a single army if their move to the bretonnian hinterland is to be kept. Its a speculation, but I was just saying what I think.
bubber wrote: I'm getting a bit fed up with these over-sized models.
All of them could have been done at 50% the size & still look great, be able to transport them without having to resort to buying an ice hockey kit bag & be more affordable (IMO).
Boneripper is way too big. He's probably S5 T5 W4 as well....
I was being a bit sarcastic with the stats but I'm really surprised how close I was!!!
streetsamurai wrote: no everybody get your point. What we don't get is the reason that makes you claim such a thing, since nothing so far in the EOT imply a move toward a steam punk setting
As stated, GW have removed or combined the 3 elven (high fantasy) factions, as well as the 2 undead armies being combined into one faction, which will be kept that way in 9th edition as I understand. Bretonnia, the most traditionally fantasy army seems to be on its way into a "kingdoms of men" book as well. Meanwhile Skaven gets their own EOT book all alone, with the Empire (which has lots of gunpowder, steamtanks, steam-horses, and what not), and the dwarves, which also is one of the most steampunkish factions still in the pipes as far ast EOT and 9th regards.
I dont think its completely unfounded to take a guess that WHFB is sliding somewhat towards the steampunk genre, and away from the more high fantasy elements of its selection.
I wonder if thanquol and bone ripper will be able to join a unit of these new armoured rat ogres? Also I think the very blurry picture of them looked like they have weapons attached to their arms. Maybe warp fire throwers. Soooo much green flame.
and apparently the WHOLE of fantasy is going Steampunk? That's a fair bit of an exaggerated deduction sir.
I said I THINK they will take it in a more steampunk direction in 9th. That robotic leg of Boneripper is certainly something new. It is almost 40k-ish.
That they have eliminated 2 out of 3 elven factions and turned them into 1, scrapped kislev and probably bretonnia as well has reduced the fantasy elements for sure.
End Times is all about getting rid of stuff, not introducing it. I franklyd doubt characters such as Glottkin will be in the chaos book in 9th.
I get your point. I just don't know how you've reached it seeing as there's literally zero evidence, yet you were talking as if it was already happening.
Now you're just exaggerating, I said I think they'll take it more in that direction in 9th edition. Quoting the robotic leg in this model. Anything could happen, but Skaven, a rather obscure faction gets a whole End of Time book of its own, closer to 9th edition with them kicking ass, judging from EOT 1 fluff, while the more traditional fantasy elements like the 3 elven factions have all been scrapped or downsized to a single army if their move to the bretonnian hinterland is to be kept. Its a speculation, but I was just saying what I think.
when did you start playing Warhammer?
Skaven have always had bionics, at least when they first started they had Ikit Claw and scattered pieces of bionics. Even Mordheim had a clan Skrye rat ogre that was little more than a giant rat skeleton with bionics all over it.
Becoming more like warmahordes would give me even less reason to play fantasy. If they were wanting to change things then they should just make a new genre/third system for it instead of destroying their existing IP.
While its a business plan to remove your opponents competitive advantage by becoming more like them, there's also the competitive advantage of being unique, and warhammer fantasy is more unique than it is like warmahordes (the steampunk version of warhammer).
The robotic leg on Boneripper isn't new. The Hell Pit Abomination, for example, has a robot arm. Ikit Claw has what is basically power armour. Skaven have always had a very steampunk feel to them.
I don't think they're moving away from high fantasy at all, and I don't see how you could even draw that conclusion. Even the other ET releases, undead got giant monsters, chaos got giant monsters, it's all very high fantasy. Condensing the elves into one list isn't removing any fantasy stuff, all the models are still in there, and we don't even know if the combined lists will still be around in 9th. Empire and Dwarfs aren't looking to get standalone ET books either so you could equally conclude they're going less steampunk.
Warhammer is not moving towards a steam punk setting, they are already at a steam punk setting. Take a look through the Empire, skaven and to an extent the Dwarf model range.
They aren't a steampunk setting, it's a high fantasy setting with the odd steampunk element, but there's no evidence they're moving towards steampunk either.
Charles Rampant wrote: I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.
Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?
Charles Rampant wrote: I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.
Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?
I think (could be wrong) it's if you're playing an End Times game.
Charles Rampant wrote: I'm more interested in the wording on how he chooses spells. To whit: Thanquol is a level four wizard, and may choose spells from Plague and Ruin in any order (paraphrased). So I think that is quite strange; in these post-Khaine End Times magic days, surely it would have made more sense for GW to list this as something like, "Thanquol is a level four wizard, and knows Plague and Ruin spells". It seems like GW is trying to keep the old magic style as an option going forward, at least for the moment, since they are sticking with the 'normal' verbage for describing Wizards with multiple lores.
Aren't the Khaine Magic Rules only in use if you are using or facing one of the Elf armies in the book?
Actually it's pretty clearly spelled out in the Rules section of Khaine (which I don't have on me). I am pretty darn sure one of them is: "Use these rules if: Either player wants to use them."
docdoom77 wrote: Actually it's pretty clearly spelled out in the Rules section of Khaine (which I don't have on me). I am pretty darn sure one of them is: "Use these rules if: Either player wants to use them."
They're kind of a fact of Warhammer now.
So I imagine that GW wrote Thanquol's rules in case neither player wants to use the Khaine Magic (although in reality it's probably a cut and paste type job ). It's easily fixed as if you are using the Khaine rules, then he chooses spells as per them
So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
It's bullcrap yeah, I agree. You'll either have to put up with the soft back, or just try and get the Hardback off GW in the three minute window you'll have.
I was going to try get the hardback but seeing as I have none of the others in HB I think I'll let someone else have the HB, and get the soft back. I know my one copy won't make any difference really but I don't need the hardback really.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
I personally had the exact opposite reaction, I love collecting hardcover graphic novels so I was overjoyed to see that army books would be in HC too. I do wish they'd do both though, I know some people like the softcovers. I still remember my initial reaction when I started, 'I have to buy this puny book for $17 in addition to the big rule book I just paid $30 for? I can get a full color graphic novel for less!'. Seems really cute now compared to current prices
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap. My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
It's worth noting that "people" aren't a collective hive mind, there can be varying opinions I prefer soft back for books I'll be flipping back and forth through (like army books) but I have nothing against hard back other than when hard back army books came out they came with a MASSIVE price increase that meant I most definitely would have preferred cheaper soft backs.
That was by far the biggest complaint I heard with the hard back army books came out, "You want me to pay HOW much for my updated rules??"
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.
I remember working at the local GW when the 5th ed Vanilla codex came out... of the 48 copies we were sent for release weekend, the first 12 had to be written off and couldn't be sold because the softback binding was utterly incapable of holding that huge tome together.
of the initial 36 we did sell, almost half came back later that week due to so many pages falling out/book exploding because people weren't being careful enough with them, and cracked the binding.
Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.
Likewise. I have Skaven and Bretonnia in softback and everything else in hardback now...including O&G, Ogre Kingdoms, Vampire Counts and Dark Elves...with Skaven being my main and favorite army of the bunch...I'd really like to have a hard back army book for them. Im also hoping that the Thanquol books last a little longer on the webstore on Friday due to them selling the whole print run on-line and in GW stores only. If I don't get one, I'm going to be VERY bummed.
I prefer the hardbacks too. They are pricey though, but I feel they're worth it - more so in Fantasy, I think in general they're better quality than the 40k ones, rules and fluff wise.
Not that I'd complain if they were cheaper of course!
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.
I meant when regular rule books when into hard cover mode and nearly doubled in price. people got miffed. (i had no issues with it though it makes it hard to book collect)
Fango wrote: Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...
They are...
Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only
(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
Well I only own a soft cover of a space marine codex and thats when I first got into gw stuff. Then I got tau and eldar in hard cover and I have empire and vampire counts army books in hard cover and my poor skaven army book is looking a little tattered now. I really like the hardcovers over the softcovers. They feel better, look better and last longer.
I remember working at the local GW when the 5th ed Vanilla codex came out... of the 48 copies we were sent for release weekend, the first 12 had to be written off and couldn't be sold because the softback binding was utterly incapable of holding that huge tome together.
of the initial 36 we did sell, almost half came back later that week due to so many pages falling out/book exploding because people weren't being careful enough with them, and cracked the binding.
Hardbacks are massive improvement!
Wait, huh? I have softcover "huge tomes" that are actually, you know, tomes, and huge - massive physics and computing textbooks - which are softbacks that have lasted over a decade with nothing more than normal shelf wear. Just because GW apparently couldn't be bothered to find a print house that knew how to bind books properly doesn't mean it's impossible to bind books properly. I mean jeebus, I have an ancient Javascript Bible up on my shelf in softback that weighs nearly two kilos.
GW went to hardbacks because they're perceived as being "premium", for which GW can charge substantially more money for a very modest increase in their costs. Them being slightly more durable than poorly bound softcovers is incidental.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
You mean the HC ET books? I never saw anyone say that. Maybe when the first HB army book came out like 3/4 years ago.
I meant when regular rule books when into hard cover mode and nearly doubled in price. people got miffed. (i had no issues with it though it makes it hard to book collect)
Yeah but that's a different issue, and it was a long time ago now, and as has been said, different people have different opinions. Associating what people said 4 years ago to what different people are saying today is...weird.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Fango wrote: Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...
They are...
Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only
(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)
the softcovers should be available at LGS though
I think they meant all books should have the option of hardback and soft back, like PPP do it. I think it's a good idea, something for everyone then.
chiefbigredman wrote: So apparently the hardback editions are ONLY going to be sold on the web store and NOT TOFLGS....only the softbacks will be sent to them. That's bullcrap.
My flgs got about 3-4 copies of the hardbacks each release. Now the skaven one comes out and I'll probably have to settle for the softcover?! That's trash I already have a crappy softcover army book I want a hardcover for my skaven.
Just chiming..nothing against you or anything but
lol. i like how when hard covers came out people were up in arms about how expensive it was and how much better soft covers was because reasons.
Hardcover is more expensive but it gives a vibe of 'Bad-***itude' about it. Plus everybody else gets hardback books and you get a softback. It kind of makes your army book feel old, weak and outdated.
@Experiment626: I had no idea you work or worked for GW. I'm a little surprised considering some of the previous rage over the daemons army. I always thought GW employees had to kiss the company's *** repeatedly until told otherwise.
Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.
Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.
Fair enough, when you put it like that. Sorry! It is ironic, it's funny how things like that change over time. Just seemed like you were having a go, I know you said you weren't in your post but it just read a bit like it.
Fango wrote: Actually, I don't see why GW cant offer a harback AND a softback option like "little 'ol Privateer Press" seems to have no problem doing...
They are...
Unfortunately the HBs have been in short supply (and will not be reprinted) and now seem to be going direct only
(now that could be to make more money, or it could be because they've ordered fewer copies of the skaven book as it's only really relevant to a single army book and they mistakenly thought it wouldn't be popular... they certainly underestimated the ET popularity over all hence the delay in the Nagash/Glottkin softcovers)
the softcovers should be available at LGS though
I think they meant all books should have the option of hardback and soft back, like PPP do it. I think it's a good idea, something for everyone then.
Yep, none of the army books and/or codices are available in softback (except those that are older than the first HB ones)...
Schlyne wrote: Am I the only person going nuts wanting to know what other armies are going to be in this book besides skaven? I was really hoping they were going to drop some hints in the white dwarf, but NOPE. Nothing in the teaser either.
Its only going to be skaven, no combined forces list like the other books.
If you mean story wise, I'd say lizardmen, empire, little bit of dwarves. That's what's rumoured but I'm not sure
If this is really what's going to happen, I am sad. I'm still buying the book anyway...but I was really hoping for a O&G, OK and Skaven rules book... The dice look really nice.
That makes me think that the fifth book will be just be a combined "here's everything else for ET".
I wonder if it would be worth ordering ten of these and selling them on eBay. Not so certain because I still see some of the earlier HB in this series at the LFGS.
Well i find it ironic or just funny that i saw at least one person making a statement against soft cover books when the situation was reversed a few years ago. nothing weird about it.
I was one of them that got really pissed when GW switched to hardcover for codices and army books, but only because it came with a substantial price increase to go with it. $30 to $50 is a pretty huge jump, and I was of the opinion that the quality should have been there anyway at the prices we were paying before, so didn't like the fact I was being gouged even more because GW only half-listened to the fanbase like they always do. "Oh, people apparently want full color rulebooks that won't fall apart, and feel they're being charged too much for what they're getting...hmm...here, we'll bring the quality up to par, and then charge them nearly twice as much as before!"
The appeal of softcover codices or army books to me is the price. Usually when books are offered in both formats the softcover is the "budget" option, and that's what PP kinda does with it's (completely optional and not necessary for play) army books. I still want the content but don't want to pay $50 for a super fancy hardcover version of the book that I don't really need, that's going to be out of date in a year or two anyway. I would probably pay $30 for a full cover, softcover codex or army book, or for something like the recent "small format" codex releases they did that were still hardcover. Maybe $35 if they start putting painting tips and stuff back into the books like PP does. But modern GW doesn't think that way, modern GW produces a softcover version of a previously hardcover book and thinks it doesn't need to be any cheaper than the full-sized/fancy hardcover version, so they knock $9 off the price just to be nice and think "Yeah, that's good enough. Man, people will love us"
Oh no, my heart-the savings...I can't handle the savings...argh...*dies*
If the difference between a fancy hardcover version and a shittier softcover book (which in the case of the End Times releases is going to look really weird on the shelf next to the other hardcover releases if you grabbed them) is only $9, then feth it, why even bother? Why not just pay the extra $9 and get a better quality product? I'm not at all happy about paying $80 for a rulebook (hence why I'm no more interested in WHF with the End Times releases than I was before, still too fething expensive to get into), but if my only option is to pay $80 for a book or $71 for a much crappier version of the same book, then I'd prefer either not buying the book at all or getting the better quality version because the "savings" isn't worth buying an inferior product.
The appeal of softcover codices or army books to me is the price. Usually when books are offered in both formats the softcover is the "budget" option, and that's what PP kinda does with it's (completely optional and not necessary for play) army books. I still want the content but don't want to pay $50 for a super fancy hardcover version of the book that I don't really need, that's going to be out of date in a year or two anyway. I would probably pay $30 for a full cover, softcover codex or army book, or for something like the recent "small format" codex releases they did that were still hardcover.
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I was intrigued by the small format hardcovers...and considered getting them...but I still haven't seen any evidence that they will be doing any of the 7th edition codices in that format...so far, it's just been the 6th edition books...I would like to guarantee that I could get the whole set in the same format before I commit...which brings us to the issue many are having with the End Times and Shield of Baal soft-cover re-prints...why can't they re-print in hardback? (obviously because they aren't willing to place an order large enough to get them the volume discount they feel comfortable with.)
Breotan wrote: I wonder if it would be worth ordering ten of these and selling them on eBay. Not so certain because I still see some of the earlier HB in this series at the LFGS.
They will likely limit them to 1 copy per person to avoid that very scenario.
Breotan wrote: I wonder if it would be worth ordering ten of these and selling them on eBay. Not so certain because I still see some of the earlier HB in this series at the LFGS.
They will likely limit them to 1 copy per person to avoid that very scenario.
In the past, they've set limits set at 10.
Khaine had limits of 2 copies per person via the webstore.
Breotan wrote: I wonder if it would be worth ordering ten of these and selling them on eBay. Not so certain because I still see some of the earlier HB in this series at the LFGS.
They will likely limit them to 1 copy per person to avoid that very scenario.
In the past, they've set limits set at 10.
Khaine had limits of 2 copies per person via the webstore.
Shield of Baal: Exterminatius was limited to 1 copy per person. Sold out within the hour.
And things like that is how other people across the country get completely out of a copy.
I was intrigued by the small format hardcovers...and considered getting them...but I still haven't seen any evidence that they will be doing any of the 7th edition codices in that format...so far, it's just been the 6th edition books...I would like to guarantee that I could get the whole set in the same format before I commit...which brings us to the issue many are having with the End Times and Shield of Baal soft-cover re-prints...why can't they re-print in hardback? (obviously because they aren't willing to place an order large enough to get them the volume discount they feel comfortable with.)
They first dropped the small format hardcovers as a librarium edition...(while supplies last). All the currently available codecies and just a small format rulebook for like 600 or so dollars, back in late may/early june. If they do a second version of that, (with the rest of the codecies) I wouldn't expect to see it until after necrons is updated.
I doubt the small format books have sold that well as a whole, so I dunno if we'll see them further (even though I really like them). The only way you can get them is to web order them, so it's not like you'd run into the the store and just pick up a copy if you were a new player and going to start an army, unless it was pointed out to you and you were wiling to wait for shipping.
Anything on those new armored rat ogres with the weapons team arms?
Btw is anybody else kinda p*ssed about all these new warhammer fantasy rumors and such. It's totally stealing the thunder away from the new skaven releases. Seriously we should be seeing what the new vermin lord kits have. Let me know as soon as somebody gets a copy of the 'end times' book or the models.
Btw is anybody else kinda p*ssed about all these new warhammer fantasy rumors and such. It's totally stealing the thunder away from the new skaven releases. Seriously we should be seeing what the new vermin lord kits have. Let me know as soon as somebody gets a copy of the 'end times' book or the models.
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it. I assume he is right but sometimes idk haha
Would make sense that it is just rules and then have a release when they rerelease the army book (whenever that will be)
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it.
This flies in the face of GW supposed policy of not allowing units/characters for which there are no figures available.
Well when the current skaven book came out wasn't there no model for the abomination it just came out later?
We already have rat ogre models so having an option for armoured ones in the rules means just use normal ones for now.
It could even mean that new armoured rat ogres are just straight up new rules for regular rat ogres giving them armour. We have yet to see at rules for them yet but it'll be interesting to see when they do come out
Btw is anybody else kinda p*ssed about all these new warhammer fantasy rumors and such. It's totally stealing the thunder away from the new skaven releases. Seriously we should be seeing what the new vermin lord kits have. Let me know as soon as somebody gets a copy of the 'end times' book or the models.
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it. I assume he is right but sometimes idk haha Would make sense that it is just rules and then have a release when they rerelease the army book (whenever that will be)
Well, there have been pictures of them in the background of the Verminlord stuff.
And a new plastic Grey Seer.(It looks like Gilbert Gottfried.)
Also, @FlamingKillamajig. Check the internets. The rules for all of them are out. And the rules for Thanquol.
Btw is anybody else kinda p*ssed about all these new warhammer fantasy rumors and such. It's totally stealing the thunder away from the new skaven releases. Seriously we should be seeing what the new vermin lord kits have. Let me know as soon as somebody gets a copy of the 'end times' book or the models.
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it. I assume he is right but sometimes idk haha
Would make sense that it is just rules and then have a release when they rerelease the army book (whenever that will be)
Well, there have been pictures of them in the background of the Verminlord stuff.
And a new plastic Grey Seer.(It looks like Gilbert Gottfried.)
Also, @FlamingKillamajig. Check the internets. The rules for all of them are out. And the rules for Thanquol.
Grey seer yes but the pictures of those armoured rat ogres are hard to tell what exactly they are. I'm just telling you what my local store owner told me that's all
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it. I assume he is right but sometimes idk haha
Would make sense that it is just rules and then have a release when they rerelease the army book (whenever that will be)
Now that is hilarious. No chance of this being the case, ever. Gw does not release rules for models that don´t exist anymore.
I talked to the store owner at my flgs (not a gamesworkshop) and he said that the armoured rat ogres will just be rules and no models for it. I assume he is right but sometimes idk haha
Would make sense that it is just rules and then have a release when they rerelease the army book (whenever that will be)
Now that is hilarious. No chance of this being the case, ever. Gw does not release rules for models that don´t exist anymore.
I agree with what your saying and I think there will be models for it but I'm just telling you what he said. Now he is an old guy who never looks at the interwebs so I rarely believe anything he says but im just saying haha
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Just the lizard men spaceship/temples taking off and flying away
What??? Now I'm starting to think GW will just hit the undo button at the end of this campaign and put everything back to normal because that's way too big of a change.
Well, there goes my plan to make my last GW purchase the Skaven dice to treat myself. I'm only getting an error page generated by the CloudFlare servers stating their site is timing out. Congratulations to whichever ebay scalping leech manages to get a set instead of me, I suppose :/
Can't phone over here, uk mail order be closed, and the website is ganked, had one in the cart.... tried to check out, does that mean I have one or not? lol
Sirius42 wrote: Can't phone over here, uk mail order be closed, and the website is ganked, had one in the cart.... tried to check out, does that mean I have one or not? lol
From what I understand, you're only guaranteed one if you finish the order.
Sirius42 wrote: Can't phone over here, uk mail order be closed, and the website is ganked, had one in the cart.... tried to check out, does that mean I have one or not? lol
I doubt it. I have one in my cart too... but I wouldn't bank on it.
Got the main page to load, but it was blank, now back to non-connect errors, been trying for about 15-20 minutes now... :( And I hate those Ebay profiteers....
Been refreshing since 10:30am PST. Got in and got my dice. I am a Skaven player and those dice are going to a good home. At least one set isn't going on Ebay!
Sirius42 wrote: I doubt its ebay profiteers, theyre only allowing one per person
Is there 4million pound system that bad ???
When it's run by a single off the shelf dell server, with 2GB of RAM, i'm guessing the 4 million pounds on web design was greatly well spent. And it's not like this happens most the times they sell limited release items like this, including the black library site.
I wish I could add more sarcasm to that statement.
Median Trace wrote: Been refreshing since 10:30am PST. Got in and got my dice. I am a Skaven player and those dice are going to a good home. At least one set isn't going on Ebay!
Lucky bugger. Mine is just alternating between Error 524(timeout) and Error 520(unknown), I've not even managed to get to the page with the preorders on it yet, it's still loading the Warhammer Fantasy category
They hung up on me after 15 min on hold too...still cant even get the site to load...this is ridiculous. If I don't get a book and a set of dice, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.
Fango wrote: They hung up on me after 15 min on hold too...still cant even get the site to load...this is ridiculous. If I don't get a book and a set of dice, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.
Dare I use the ha ha oh wow image twice in a week.
Yes I dare.
Taking all those orders that would be spread out across various shops across the world and shoving them into a single webstore. Maybe should have thought of the traffic generated, GW.
Only GW could launch a product that there's so much demand for that it breaks their very expensive website and post a profits warning within a few months of each other!
The aus site won't load at all. Getting 524 time out errors for past 25 mins. Was working about 30mins though. I just assume there's been a major fuckup loading new content and most people (including ebayers) can't get on. Its 6.55am here so I can't call anyone either. ...
Ok seriously gw can go to hell, checked out, then while loading completion got 'one or more item is out of stock'. AND it will not tell me which is out of stock.
Never did get through to them on the phone...longer wait than the California DMV... I did finally manage to get the order through on the webstore, pay with paypal, and get the order completed back at the site. Page load times were slower than watching grass grow though. Good luck to the rest of you. My stuff will assuredly not be scalped.
I think that as people finally get on and get their orders through, the site will start to speed back up again. (when people are not hitting the server from multiple tabs in multiple browsers, on multiple devices. )
lol...somehow i made it thru but in my cart is stated I have 2 book, and 2 dice! And it allowed me to check out! Got a confirmation email and accoutn has been debited...lol...hope it all good tho.
uhoh, it loaded back my cart, but it was empty... I hope I don't have to start that process over again...
and now a website down for maintenance notice
Gah, I was so close...... and a few hours is so nebulous, it's like they should have a social media account to let us know when it might be back up, like every other retail outfit in the world....
Finally got it but not after much beard pulling. Found Chrome was loading it when but very very slowly but Firefox was not giving any luck. Really hope all copies go to true fans and not the ebay-heads
chiefbigredman wrote: I don't even know why I care so much.....I can just get the softback but at the same time I want the hardback
While I couldn't care less about Nagash and Khaine, I wanted hardcover Glottkin and Thanquol cause those are my main armies(being able to field 8K+ of Chaos using Glottkin and 10K+ of Skaven, a large chunk being Clanrats and Slaves).
I got lucky and snuck in just before the site went down. My credit card was charged, so it appears I was successful.
Because of what you said, I went and checked my bank account and noticed that I also had my card charged. Let's hope that I get my order then. If not the dice at least the book.
Fango wrote:Never did get through to them on the phone...longer wait than the California DMV... I did finally manage to get the order through on the webstore, pay with paypal, and get the order completed back at the site. Page load times were slower than watching grass grow though. Good luck to the rest of you. My stuff will assuredly not be scalped.
I think that as people finally get on and get their orders through, the site will start to speed back up again. (when people are not hitting the server from multiple tabs in multiple browsers, on multiple devices. )
Platuan4th wrote:Website is down for maintenance.
I stand corrected. Bad form GW, Bad form.
Edit: Actually, I got a confirmation email from PayPal, and a confirmation 'screen' on the GW site, but no confirmation email from GW...is that the norm?
Because of what you said, I went and checked my bank account and noticed that I also had my card charged. Let's hope that I get my order then. If not the dice at least the book.
It's never a bad idea to check your account after making an order. Especially in a frustrating experience like this!
chiefbigredman wrote: I don't even know why I care so much.....I can just get the softback but at the same time I want the hardback
While I couldn't care less about Nagash and Khaine, I wanted hardcover Glottkin and Thanquol cause those are my main armies(being able to field 8K+ of Chaos using Glottkin and 10K+ of Skaven, a large chunk being Clanrats and Slaves).
I feel the same I only have 6k of skaven and just starting empire so skaven is my baby lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: damn it its in my cart but the checkout button is soooooooo sloooooooooow
I managed to snag the dice and book this time, although I called cust serv because I had a couple issues when it was trying to auth and I wanted to verify that yes, they only charged me once and the email I had with my order was valid. (PANIC MODE engaged!)
I set up everything (card and address ahead of time, I didn't want to try and go to paypal and back to GW for timing reasons). I watched the website die right after it authed.
If it's in your cart and you didn't check out with it, you're ity ed. It's happened to me more than once. (while in the fecking GW store at the order point..it wouldn't let me check out with it). I've had to either wait or spend time tracking down a copy of the book (typically it's been books) however.
The only other thing it did was ship it to the local GW store instead of home..but oh well..it's not that far from home. I'll just get a nasty look from the manger because I didn't order in the store....not much I can do about that if I've been too sick to leave the house.
Well I managed to get my dice order through at 7:57, so now I just have to hope their crappy IT system didn't put through more orders than they have stock.
And that concludes my purchases from GW, at least until we see whether or not the rumoured coming butchery of WHFB is true or not. EDIT: Although I will have to hit up some bits retailers when the Boneripper kit comes out, I want those 21 rats for Mordheim terrain.
Well, My paypal has been debited for my book and I had the time to grab a book for a buddy too. Hopefully they don't oversell. And hopefully worst case my buddy is out a book But I feel better about getting mine at least. Fingers crossed.
Yodhrin wrote: Well I managed to get my dice order through at 7:57, so now I just have to hope their crappy IT system didn't put through more orders than they have stock.
And that concludes my purchases from GW, at least until we see whether or not the rumoured coming butchery of WHFB is true or not. EDIT: Although I will have to hit up some bits retailers when the Boneripper kit comes out, I want those 21 rats for Mordheim terrain.
I would HOPE that if that happens, GW will do something more than "we're sorry, have a refund voucher". People are upset enough as it is. I would think they'd print or order more stuff.
I know a while back I got a refund voucher for the tactical objective cards for 40k because because they screwed up on how many they had in stock. I hadn't ordered them yet, but that night I had put the cards in my cart. I went to the shop the next day to order them, and they were gone. Apparently, they weren't actually available at the time and shouldn't have been listed.
I had it in the cart and was at checkout putting in my visa info
Then I thought to myself. $90 for a hardback is not worth it to me, I don't care much for the story and I can get the rules either from the softback or the next army book.
I want the new models but for $90+ idk if that's worth it right now.
I'm really tempted but I dunno whether to bother with the fantasy rumours.
Also in the artwork you can see what I assume is the stormfiends and in the cover with the photo of him you can see another weird gun thing in the foreground.
Judging by the description of what is in the book, it does not look like there will be Stormfiends(armored rat ogre) miniatures.
It also includes background and rules for the full range of new Skaven miniatures, including five Verminlords: Verminlord Corruptor, Verminlord Warbringer, Verminlord Deceiver, Verminlord Warpseer, and Lord Skreech Verminking. As well as this, there are rules and background for the Stormfiends, and Thanquol on the latest incarnation of Boneripper.
SilverDevilfish wrote: Taking all those orders that would be spread out across various shops across the world and shoving them into a single webstore. Maybe should have thought of the traffic generated, GW.
I highly doubt they care that the website had issues, they've sold out in Oz and UK within moments of putting it up and got a better margin than if they'd sold it to independent stores. Not sure how many copies they had, but they've probably got a handy couple of hundred grand in the bank.
Caveing in to get one as I am pleasently surprised they aren't sold out. Wonder when there will be a softback and because of this I dont want to have to wait a while for it.
Also jungle fighting rules in Lustria, pretty sweet man.
Heh, got all the way through and to the part where Paypal sends me back to the GW site...and got the error. I've never had to work so hard to give someone my money. Looks like the order never went through, and no dice (or book) for me. I give up, I'll give money to my LGS instead and get a digital version of the book.
Ernster wrote: Judging by the description of what is in the book, it does not look like there will be Stormfiends(armored rat ogre) miniatures.
It also includes background and rules for the full range of new Skaven miniatures, including five Verminlords: Verminlord Corruptor, Verminlord Warbringer, Verminlord Deceiver, Verminlord Warpseer, and Lord Skreech Verminking. As well as this, there are rules and background for the Stormfiends, and Thanquol on the latest incarnation of Boneripper.
That indicates there will be Stormfiends models surely...
Also, look at the cover of the book that is the photo of the Thanquol model. What's that weird gun in the foreground? I'm guessing stormfiend... And you can see what I assume is them in the art cover too...
unmercifulconker wrote: Caveing in to get one as I am pleasently surprised they aren't sold out. Wonder when there will be a softback and because of this I dont want to have to wait a while for it.
Also jungle fighting rules in Lustria, pretty sweet man.
I fought to get one because I have the other three in hardback and I am a weirdo that wants uniformity. That said, I almost wish I had gotten the softback because they are much easy to carry around.
I fought to get one for the same reason GloboRojo. I also love the story. Granted if I hadn't gotten one I would have put my copies up on Ebay. If I can't have uniformity I might as well go digital.
unmercifulconker wrote: Caveing in to get one as I am pleasently surprised they aren't sold out. Wonder when there will be a softback and because of this I dont want to have to wait a while for it.
Also jungle fighting rules in Lustria, pretty sweet man.
I fought to get one because I have the other three in hardback and I am a weirdo that wants uniformity. That said, I almost wish I had gotten the softback because they are much easy to carry around.
I too would like uniformity haha and have all the others in softback but I dont know when it will be released although I saw one on Waylandgames, I had to wait ages for my nagash and glotkin so Icant be bothered waiting that long for a bit of saving.
Skaven and Empire were my first ever armies so it would be nice to own this harback.
"As well as this, there are rules and background for the Stormfiends, and Thanquol on the latest incarnation of Boneripper."
No they mentioned stormfiends on the rulebook. You just have to hit the 'read more' button.
@Warhams-77: Na that plague priest is from the plague furnace/screaming bell kit. Just turns out somebody took one off the furnace and put it on foot. You can do that already if you wish unless there's a single model option for it now.
unmercifulconker wrote: Caveing in to get one as I am pleasently surprised they aren't sold out. Wonder when there will be a softback and because of this I dont want to have to wait a while for it.
Also jungle fighting rules in Lustria, pretty sweet man.
I fought to get one because I have the other three in hardback and I am a weirdo that wants uniformity. That said, I almost wish I had gotten the softback because they are much easy to carry around.
I too would like uniformity haha and have all the others in softback but I dont know when it will be released although I saw one on Waylandgames, I had to wait ages for my nagash and glotkin so Icant be bothered waiting that long for a bit of saving.
Skaven and Empire were my first ever armies so it would be nice to own this harback.
I know the feeling, I play high elves and I logged on to pre-order the Khaine book 5 minutes after it went up and it was sold out. I was absolutely gutted.
Luckily, my local GW guy held one for me since I spend so much money there.
I dunno whether to order ittt, it looks awesome, the new Skaven models are awesome but I don't know if I want to risk them being invalidated in 6months...
Why do I think of Space Marine Centurions when I see these...I think the armor doesn't looked beat up, hap-hazard, or rusty enough. Nothing a little time with a hobby knife can't fix though I suppose...
Fango wrote: Why do I think of Space Marine Centurions when I see these...I think the armor doesn't looked beat up, hap-hazard, or rusty enough. Nothing a little time with a hobby knife can't fix though I suppose...
I would say that they look more like a Fantasy version of the new Ogryn kit, especially in that color.
Managed to get a pre-order in. Hopefully they didn't over sell them.
Fango wrote: Why do I think of Space Marine Centurions when I see these...I think the armor doesn't looked beat up, hap-hazard, or rusty enough. Nothing a little time with a hobby knife can't fix though I suppose...
I see what you're saying, but the name does imply that they have the best gear like the Stormvermin do.
Warhams-77 wrote: Stormfiend - from the interactive edition preview - found by waaaghgaming.de
The pose in combination with the style of helm is way too... Heroic for a Skaven model. He looks like he's going to save a Princess from the Evil Wizard's Tower.
Warhams-77 wrote: Stormfiend - from the interactive edition preview - found by waaaghgaming.de
The pose in combination with the style of helm is way too... Heroic for a Skaven model. He looks like he's going to save a Princess from the Evil Wizard's Tower.
"I-I save u, Princess Rat Blob"
Um what? Not a fan of this model. Is agree its a little to heroic looking for a rat ogre. I will just be using normal rat ogres for this if the rules are good. To much to paint anyways.
Maybe it'll have other options that one looks like it has some sort of claw and the one in the background has the rattling gun.
Joyboozer wrote: I think it's a great mini, but am starting to wonder if theirs some kind of bonus to having one foot raised in this new version of warhammer bubble.
Foot on rock syndrome has always been a thing. Players even voluntarily pose things this way, or base every model completely on a rock. It's a pet peeve of mine.
Joyboozer wrote: I think it's a great mini, but am starting to wonder if theirs some kind of bonus to having one foot raised in this new version of warhammer bubble.
Foot on rock syndrome has always been a thing. Players even voluntarily pose things this way, or base every model completely on a rock. It's a pet peeve of mine.
You should see some of the complaining every time there's an infinity model with a foot on a rock. I think you'd find a few kindred spirits
I can see why people don't like it but I don't mind personally and I'm loving these Ray Ogres so far.
Warhams-77 wrote: Stormfiend - from the interactive edition preview - found by waaaghgaming.de
The pose in combination with the style of helm is way too... Heroic for a Skaven model. He looks like he's going to save a Princess from the Evil Wizard's Tower.
"I-I save u, Princess Rat Blob"
Other than the foot on rock and the Stormfiend lacking a halberd, the pose is pretty reminiscent of the majority of non-2-hander poses in the Stormvermin box.
It costs so dang much, you (or at least I do) get afraid to even touch it. And what are you paying the extra $90 for? A handful of A4 sized art prints? A fancier slip-case? Exclusivity? (I'm one of the 500 people that got one!!!) To me, it's just a fan-boy tax. It's bad enough that I'm paying $75 for the Hardback version (which I felt was splurging over waiting for the softback). GW must hold some World Records for the most money charged per page on a newly published book. ...and that is saying something because Text Books here in the US are insanely expensive!
I like the armored rat ogres, I just wish they had rat heads and not the Mech robot looking head. crossing fingers there is an option for an exposed rat head,
highlord tamburlaine wrote: So is Cygnar working in conjunction with the Skaven to clean out all those Menoth zealots these days?
Flashes of Thunderheads and Dynamo power systems attached to giant rat ogres...
Gonna get me some Ratjacks!
If those Stormfiends are big enough, maybe I can use that to proxy a Stormwall....
I think I like that more than the Verminlords, to be honest.
Always liked heavily armored units.
The Stormfiend is way too small to be a Stormwall. It's a rat ogre. Like, on a 40mm base.
And Skaven have always looked quite steampunky. They aren't a ripoff of Cygnar or anything, they've always had lighting guns and power systems and stuff.
In the past, they have always sent the dice out to the GW stores (even after it's been sold out on the website). (In fact, if I wanted more sets of the LE 'nid dice with the wrong symbols on 'em, I could run down to my local GW and buy like 3 more lol) So if you are really gunning for the dice, try and hit your local GW next saturday, when they open. I've heard of the dice being sent to FLGS in the past, but I have no idea if they're still something they can order.
Someone mentioned possibly being on the same size bases as the Blight Kings. Mixed up them with the Maggoth Lords, which would be a *bit* closer to Stormwall size.
Although I wouldn't mind Maggoth- sized giant rat ogres with miniguns and electro- nipple dischargers.
Having been on a WMH kick recently, seeing those armor colors and power coils just brought Cygnarian warjacks to my mind.
Someone mentioned possibly being on the same size bases as the Blight Kings. Mixed up them with the Maggoth Lords, which would be a *bit* closer to Stormwall size.
Although I wouldn't mind Maggoth- sized giant rat ogres with miniguns and electro- nipple dischargers.
Having been on a WMH kick recently, seeing those armor colors and power coils just brought Cygnarian warjacks to my mind.
Ah I see, fair enough. Easy mistake to make. And no, I doubt many Skaven players would mind that either!
And yeah in those colours I can see the Cygnar comparison... It's just after someone was going on about how fantasy is clearly 'following WMH into steampunk' because of the new Skaven models... I just thought I'd point out Skaven have always been like if
The Stormfiend is way too small to be a Stormwall. It's a rat ogre. Like, on a 40mm base.
Was there a leak I missed that said they were the same size as a Rat Ogre? The illustration makes them look more Boneripper size.
Even Boneripper is much too small to be a Stormwall.
I mean I don't know for sure they're on 40mm, that was just my brain connecting rat ogre to 40s, but it's definitely too small to be a Stormwall. Also someone did say same size as a Blightkings which are on 40s.
The Stormfiend is way too small to be a Stormwall. It's a rat ogre. Like, on a 40mm base.
Was there a leak I missed that said they were the same size as a Rat Ogre? The illustration makes them look more Boneripper size.
GW models often look larger in pictures than they do in real life. I can see these on a 50mm base at most, although I expect 40mm like current Rat Ogres. I'd also like to know about the unit requiring Packmasters or not. Would they be normal or up armored Packmasters?
Fango wrote: The problem with the LE book sets is this:
It costs so dang much, you (or at least I do) get afraid to even touch it. And what are you paying the extra $90 for? A handful of A4 sized art prints? A fancier slip-case? Exclusivity? (I'm one of the 500 people that got one!!!) To me, it's just a fan-boy tax. It's bad enough that I'm paying $75 for the Hardback version (which I felt was splurging over waiting for the softback). GW must hold some World Records for the most money charged per page on a newly published book. ...and that is saying something because Text Books here in the US are insanely expensive!
Man, sometimes it varies so much per freaking army. I own the LE40k Ork box. My fiance has the LE dark eldar one. His was more expensive than mine if you want to compare price to price. (His was also the more expensive of the two dark eldar options offered. Vect Edition maybe? I think the other LE dark eldar option was like the codex and the painting guide).
So last summer with the 40k ork drop they started doing some of the bigger LE codex drops...more stuff than just a unique cover and art prints.
So my ork box came with metal objective coins, a fancy box sleeve, my codex supplement, my art prints (in a book format) and my codex.
The Dark eldar dropped in late september/early october.
My fiance has acrylic objective coins, painting guide, codex supplement, codex, A "book" that contains the army pages in oversized card format. All his books have nice fancy slipcovers on them and they all came in a nice fancy bundle sleeve thing. His super fancy embossed slipcovers..do what they're supposed to..protect the book. And they look really nice as they are.
I just have unique covers to my ork supplement and ork codex, no slipcovers. I don't carry the box around when I want to run orks, because I don't want to beat it up.
Spoiler:
Going back to the newest leak...I want to see what other options are available. I really don't like the head on that one.
So I have a question. I was able to place my order with the book and a set of dice. I wasn't sure if the order went though but when I checked my bank account it had taken money out and I have a 'pending' order with GW on their site.
I checked the bank account again and that payment that was previously there for GW is gone now. But my order is still 'pending' on the website. I only ask because I can't call GW with them being down for the weekend.
Must say - don't care for the Stormfiends. They're not very Skaven-y looking. Would have been much nicer to finally have none-terrible normal Rat Ogre kit instead. (Or any of the half dozen or more terrible monkey-skaven kits that still need replacing.)
If these are the three kits we're getting, I find the Skaven End times to be kinda a bust. :/
I'm going to give the stormfiends a chance. Even if some think they look like crap i don't think they do. A bit of weird design choices but so what. Besides we've only really seen just one good shot of one of them and none of the new basic rat ogres. Personally i think you guys are being way too critical and way too soon. Even the model shown isn't too bad. It looks to have warp lightning cannon arms so who knows how powerful that'll be.
In my eyes the stormfiends look less heroic and more like a combination of Bane (from 'batman') and the grotesques that the dark eldar have.
I will hold off judgment on the Stormfiend. I would like normal rat ogres updated from the ld " Master of the Universe " ogres and plague priests updated to at least look like the ones from the Screaming bell / Plague furnace kit.
flamingkillamajig wrote: I'm going to give the stormfiends a chance. Even if some think they look like crap i don't think they do. A bit of weird design choices but so what. Besides we've only really seen just one good shot of one of them and none of the new basic rat ogres. Personally i think you guys are being way too critical and way too soon. Even the model shown isn't too bad. It looks to have warp lightning cannon arms so who knows how powerful that'll be.
In my eyes the stormfiends look less heroic and more like a combination of Bane (from 'batman') and the grotesques that the dark eldar have.
And that's exactly what I'll be using them for . Hello my little flesh puppets *insert evil laugh here*
Doubt it. I think these are more poised for dramatic camera shot rather than to show off unit size. Reason being: the empire pikemen and riflemen are interleaved and appear to be somewhat curving in formation (again, i think more for camera effect than to reflect formation rules).
Doubt it. I think these are more poised for dramatic camera shot rather than to show off unit size. Reason being: the empire pikemen and riflemen are interleaved and appear to be somewhat curving in formation (again, i think more for camera effect than to reflect formation rules).
Just my take.
They are all just getting ready to skirmish, but they forgot their round bases at home .
Anyone else getting a Centurions vibe off these minis?
Great looking models, only thing I'm not a fan of is the head on the one on the left, but if that's the only thing that I don't like then it's pretty good.
Yep sold to me, although I've got a decent theory about these guys not being actual Rat Ogres but something else entirely...
Notice the distinct lack of a pack master in every shot we have seen so far of them, standard rat ogres are completely uncontrollable (I'm talking fluff here) and are simply not trusted to go out by themselves. Also why would a clan put Gatling guns and warp stone pincers on a crazed brute? And to that fact Armour them up good and proper like?
My theory here is that these guys, again fluff wise here, are storm vermin leaders that have acquired a vast amount of wealth and have paid the Clan moulder (I think that's the beast one again) to mutate them into something much more horrific but yet still be able to retain there higher brain functioning and so are completely independent and free willed and therefore do no need a pack master to direct them? Hence the huge armor and weaponry that these guys are packing. Plus the name, both storm vermin and Storm Fiends have the word storm in which kinda ties the two together.
But then again this is Skaven we are talking about and if anyone was to give crazed steroid filled monsters Gatling guns, it would be those guys
Ha ha, all I can think when I look at those is why on earth would you give a model with "stupidity" that much firepower?
I love skaven warpstone tech but I think it's getting a bit out of hand. If they want to make them with so many guns just hurry up and make Hrud already
Wonder how much customization you can do between the models. When I first saw the Blight Kings, I thought they were somewhat limited when it came to variation, but ended up being one of the most impressive and variable plastic kits I've ever purchased.
Just looking at these, they seem a bit more limited.
I kinda like them, but they are increadibly cheesy looking. It's not bad on its own, but I'm not sure it matches the army's aesthetic. Then again, a different paint job would probably make a big difference, one that's not so clean and bright
And at first glance I thought I was seeing GW finally putting Skaven into the 40K universe.
For a "Fantasy era" critter, they have more firepower than most of the stuff in the 41st millenium.
Hum, Imagine we do not know anything about WFB or 40k and see this for the first time… I would say they are created for a scifi game of some sorts.
These have potential if you strip away lots of bits, I mean really lots of bits.
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Also the one in the middle looks like some kind of champion , he is slightly more armored and warpstone "powered"
My goodness.. Those are laughably, hoirribly, terribly bad.... Holy lightning nipples batman! Fear my Chestling gun, puny man-thing! Wow, just wow..
Once again, GW is doing a great job of saving me from feeling like I need to spend any money on their models.
Valete,
JohnS
I like the one on the right with the warpfire thrower hands. But yes what the hell.is with the chest gun and warpstone nipples?
Other than the one on the right I'm not a fan of the other ones really. Poses are nice but to much armour on the middle guy and that chest gun is dumb lol
Add me to the crew who think they look really fun! I agree that they're looking a bit tooled up to be in 'Fantasy' as it stands but then again, these are the End Times!
I don't like the belly gun much and I feel we could afford to loose the warpstone nipples but these would be a small modifications to make for what are a group of pretty nifty looking models!
Another change I'd have made at the sculpting stage would be to have the one rat ogre physically carrying a giant rattling gun and operating it as such as opposed to having it attached as an appendage as it would look great next to the puny two man weapon teams!
I dig all the new skavan stuff, and fits with the current direction for the army.
In the 1st end times book they state that the skavan have created a telephone network connecting all the skavan across the globe. The Skavan are prety much the evil steam punk rats at this point, they just lack top hats and snidely whiplash mustaches.
Lockark wrote: they just lack top hats and snidely whiplash mustaches.
That's because we see the models at war, not at leisure. There's plenty of mention in the Thanqoul novels of "eccentric" Skaven that wear human dress and mannerisms ala the wizards of Harry Potter when they need to blend in.
They don't look too bad, nice and bulky with plenty of loadout options, more than I was expecting in fact, and by the looks of it not too bad level of variety within the unit. I'll be
very interested in seeing the sprues for these guys in the next week or so, and more importantly the conversion potential for turning these into normal Rat-Ogres, which
I'd imagine we'll see a lot of.
With that said I'd echo other peoples opinions about the armour, it really needs a bit of roughing up and I'd personally get rid of the shoulder pads and move the nipple guns
to the forearms or something, the chest mounted rattling gun is a little silly too but I could just grab a spare Terminator chain-gun and mount it on his shoulder warmachine style.
All and all nothing a few simple conversions can't fix. Quite like the the colour scheme too, and strangely enough its not far off the scheme I was planning for my own
Ratfolk army so I guess its nice to see it working.
Also I believe the Ratling Gun one was created with Nazi Science (wonder how many people will get this).
So what your telling us is these guys are going to be really tough during the actual game, but then die off screen in Stalingrad with no explanation after?
Seriously, I like the Skacurions. It's the Militarium Tempestus paint scheme that is naff. Just imagine the armour painted as normal Skaven stuff, rusty iron or moldy brass, and you're golden.
Vargheist wrote: omg that chest-mounted ratling gun looks sooo bad
I liked that model so much until I saw the chest gun. Why oh why do that? It's the kind of thing Hi-Tech Miniatures would do, make a great model and then just add one detail that ruins the whole thing.
Rolt wrote: and more importantly the conversion potential for turning these into normal Rat-Ogres, which
I'd imagine we'll see a lot of.
Why on earth would someone convert these into normal rat ogres? I don't think you've played skaven enough to realize rat ogres are not good lol these guys will have armour in their rules (id imagine heavy armour) and normal rat ogres have no save which makes them awfully bad lol plus the island of blood rat ogres have some really nice sculpts already so no need to convert.
These look like they will be slightly larger than the normal rat ogres but its hard to tell.
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Also the one in the middle looks like some kind of champion , he is slightly more armored and warpstone "powered"
My goodness.. Those are laughably, hoirribly, terribly bad.... Holy lightning nipples batman! Fear my Chestling gun, puny man-thing! Wow, just wow..
Once again, GW is doing a great job of saving me from feeling like I need to spend any money on their models.
Valete,
JohnS
I like the one on the right with the warpfire thrower hands. But yes what the hell.is with the chest gun and warpstone nipples?
Other than the one on the right I'm not a fan of the other ones really. Poses are nice but to much armour on the middle guy and that chest gun is dumb lol
So just knock em off if you can. We still know what they count as. Besides if you're a decent modeller you could probably add the ratling gun above his head or above one shoulder. For laughs you could attach it to his crotch and kill people with that.
Just to clarify with you guys i'm pretty sure the warp lightning claws aren't a melee weapon but mini warp lightning cannons. I'm rather curious as to how they work because mounting 2 or so warp lightning cannons on anything just sounds OP.
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Speaking of mecha-hitler is anybody else getting a frankenstein/wolfenstein vibe out of this? Remember the tesla guns and crazy chain guns from 'return to castle wolfenstein'?
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Oh and just so everybody knows whether they look good or bad by the internet's standards i'm still getting them. They might need a little work but in most cases nothing too serious. Besides we have yet to see what the rules and points costs for all these options are. For all we know this could be another semi-dumb or dumb looking model with the most awesome rules ever. I'm a little curious about the one on the far right. Is that dual warpfire throwers or is one or both actually poisoned wind mortars? The end of the gun is just pointed a little weirdly. Perhaps the model can pose the end of the gun differently?
To hell with the haters. I got my Verminlord today, I'll be getting Thanquol/Boneripper next weekend, and I'm getting at least two boxes of these guys when they come out.
Breotan wrote: To hell with the haters. I got my Verminlord today, I'll be getting Thanquol/Boneripper next weekend, and I'm getting at least two boxes of these guys when they come out.
Eh i think its fine to disagree with the way they are going with the aesthetics.
and i really do think its the paint job that is ruining it.
Gonna wait to see the rules before i splurg on models.
(nurgle too but whatever).
when did you start playing Warhammer?
I was really hoping they were going to drop some hints in the white dwarf, but NOPE. Nothing in the teaser either.
out of a copy. 
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