Knight wrote: Oh, I meant having enough drop bears for Bolt loadout too.
Truthfully, they've not sold Drop Bears with anything beyond that Tabitha cosplay model. Nobody gives a crap either--they're just special grenades/mines.
Maybe so, but I think some of the people(not Knight specifically) comes down to thinking Drop Bears are like Crazy Koalas or Tinbots.
CB never seemed to plan on releasing a model for them, since they're deployables that are mines and stuff.
I don't think anyone would object, if certain deployable equipment would come as a freebie. I'd like to see generic repeaters as well. I can represent them with a token, however as far I know, certain companies manufacture alternative to camouflage or holo projector. If CB doesn't want to do it, or finds it a hassle, I'd gladly give it a thought to the possible alternatives. If the price would be too high, they can keep them. Mind that I don't desire it for any price or care as much. I can understand not wanting to do it because it's not that relevant and keeps the production cost down. However I don't think Nisse hacker has any increase in price when compared to other models. Maybe instead of tactical rocks, CB could add equipment once in a while.
Tohaa with nano screen. Interesting times ahead. I hope we get more spoilers.
HoverBoy wrote: Probably because all those posts where made when the other Umbras came out.
Other than the dynamic pose making this one stick out more, it seems to be roughly the same size as the others.
I'm sorry but I don't follow that logic. General releases, especially newer HI models, are starting to go well over the S2 size and now this model is being released and he's not even close to the S2 scale, not even if the silhuettes should represent "a general aproximation" of the models size.
But who can complain when the miniature looks this gorgeous?
Full sectionals with a Naga in the pic, unless they are sneaking in the O.S.S. at the last minute is kind of a middle finger. There are so many other models to pick from.
But, yeah HSN3 will be the sectional currently in both HS and Paradiso books. With the french replaced with the U.S. and the S.E.F. replaced by Onyx.
Noir wrote: Full sectionals with a Naga in the pic, unless they are sneaking in the O.S.S. at the last minute is kind of a middle finger. There are so many other models to pick from.
Naga are in the Shock Army of Aconticemento sectorial...and have been since Human Sphere v1.
But, yeah HSN3 will be the sectional currently in both HS and Paradiso books. With the french replaced with the U.S. and the S.E.F. replaced by Onyx.
Just to be clear, HSN3 contains the following Sectorial lists:
PanOceania Military Orders
Shock Army of Aconticemento
Neoterran Capitilene Army
Nomads Corregidor Jurisdictional Force
Bakunin Jurisdictional Force
Combined Army Onyx First Contact Force[NEW]
Morat Aggression Force
Haqqislam Qapu-Khalqi
Hassassin Bahram
Tohaa Everything released to this point[NEW TO THIS BOOK AND WITH POTENTIALLY MORE PROFILES]
ALEPH Steel Phalanx[NEW TO THIS BOOK]
We've known for a LONG time that OSS is something that they've been waffling on, same thing as Black Hand. They've said "there's not enough there" or that "there will be too much crossover between Sectorials" in both cases. As it stands right now, the definitive list of Sectorials for "Acheron Falls"(the project name, not necessarily final book name):
PanOceania Svalarheima
Varuna
POTENTIALLY an "Earth Bastion Army" list
Haqqislam Caliphate(Super Soldiers!)
Something that is going to be biker heavy(I can never remember the name, and I don't have my notebook where I had it written down anymore). I want to say the Sultanate?
Nomads Tunguska
POTENTIALLY Black Hand
Combined Army Shasvastii revamp
Tohaa We're supposed to see a Tohaa Sectorial based upon the pre-Triad forces. Can't remember a name there off the top of my head.
ALEPH OSS was bandied about for a long time, but it's also possible that it's just dead as a project.
Mercenaries Last I saw, there were two (potentially three) Mercenary Sectorials we were slated to see.
Beyhan Resources, Limited(Haqqislam based group--they run the Kaplan Tactical Services. Think of "Mercs with Morals")
White Star Concordat(Druze, Senor Massacre, Scarface--if they're Mercs with a bad past they were slated to be here)
Hope that helps everyone get an idea as to what might be where.
Knight wrote: I'd like Earth Bastion to be a real thing. I wonder, if they'll throw more information about it in HS or RPG.
So do I but I like to see it fall under the O-12, if for no reason that PanO already has a extra sectional and the fact earth is not controlled by just one government. Plus it by a good place to show case units of the lesser non space fairing government left behind on earth.
Earth Bastion Army by name has been mentioned prominently in Campaign Paradiso, and describes the apparently huge force PanO has stationed on Earth. I'd assume the equivilents will exist for the other factions (such as perhaps YuJing's equal is actually the Invincible Army).
O-12 is slated as next faction.
OSS needs some serious love.
There's apparently some sort of speculation on a Chaksa based sectorial?
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Also, so very excited. Samaritans showing up the way they have really do increase the plausibility of CLANDESTINE ACTION TEAM LOCUST, who have the neatest alleged statlines ever.
MightyGodzilla wrote: So is ALEPH like the stepchild faction with only one sectoral? Go Steel or go home?
Tohaa have none.
Aleph have the OSS, Operations Sub Section. It's the covert arm, opposed to the ASS, Assault Sub Section, more commonly called Steel Phalanx. The OSS was rumoured to be in Acheron Falls, but word is it's been pushed back.
Honestly, I hope they get working on it quick smart. There's only so many more Trojan War heroes they can add to the ASS, and Aleph is getting a tad boring lately.
HoverBoy wrote: Probably because all those posts where made when the other Umbras came out.
Other than the dynamic pose making this one stick out more, it seems to be roughly the same size as the others.
I'm sorry but I don't follow that logic. General releases, especially newer HI models, are starting to go well over the S2 size and now this model is being released and he's not even close to the S2 scale, not even if the silhuettes should represent "a general aproximation" of the models size.
But who can complain when the miniature looks this gorgeous?
Well, duh...Kan!
Djans are sure to come out soon, I jsut started my conversions of them...
Red Harvest wrote: HS Pre-Orders begin only 3 days before the start of Adepticon, where the book will be physically available. Hmmm.
Note that no one from Corvus Belli has claimed that Human Sphere will be available at Adepticon.
I wouldn't be surprised if CB had massive previews from the book, and had production proof copies on hand, though, since CB did say they wanted to do something special.
Even if Vedic doesn't come out as an official sectorial yet, we will still get updates in human sphere. I am looking forward to new Post Human rules especially.
Killionaire wrote: Also, so very excited. Samaritans showing up the way they have really do increase the plausibility of CLANDESTINE ACTION TEAM LOCUST, who have the neatest alleged statlines ever.
I do hope their AVA will be higher than rumoured, however if Montesa gets better it could lead to some interesting pairing.
Killionaire wrote: Also, so very excited. Samaritans showing up the way they have really do increase the plausibility of CLANDESTINE ACTION TEAM LOCUST, who have the neatest alleged statlines ever.
I do hope their AVA will be higher than rumoured, however if Montesa gets better it could lead to some interesting pairing.
And that's precisely why the AVA won't be higher than rumored.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: You mean besides Shasvastii getting a massive resculpt this and next year?
At best we will see pre-production HS or the very first test-run. CB never started pre-order that close to delivery.
That would be pretty terrific. I had written off Shasvastii for now, as the army won't be properly reintroduced until Archeron Falls.
With my above question, however, I was more thinking other models in the line that haven't been digitally sculpted, and are now looking a bit outdated. Models like Riot Grrls, Bakunin Moderators, to name a few.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: You mean besides Shasvastii getting a massive resculpt this and next year?
At best we will see pre-production HS or the very first test-run. CB never started pre-order that close to delivery.
Wait, shas are getting their much-needed resculpts before getting the fancy new rules? Huh, I figured that'd be the other way around with some more sygmaa and umbra until then.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: You mean besides Shasvastii getting a massive resculpt this and next year?
At best we will see pre-production HS or the very first test-run. CB never started pre-order that close to delivery.
Wait, shas are getting their much-needed resculpts before getting the fancy new rules? Huh, I figured that'd be the other way around with some more sygmaa and umbra until then.
That's speculation. We've seen nothing about Shasvastii getting resculpts this year. The Onyx First Contact Force and Morat Aggression Force will likely have the lion's share of CA releases this year.
Vanilla is an anchor around the neck of the various Sectorials. Because of Vanilla, we have stupid crap like AVA6 or 8 instead of AVA Total on certain units.
Some great releases this month, although I have no idea what that pig is about. I love that CB is doing things like the HVTs, which help remind us that Infinity has a setting where civilians live their lives, as opposed to all war, all the time.
The Nomad analyst has a fascinating skintone; I'd love to see a recipe for that.
Yeah, I always imagined it'd be much smaller. It might be a cubic containment vessel for a Cube, however. Also, it is a Haqqi that's holding onto a Cube, and they're pretty good with that Silk stuff.
I've got the Yu Jing RPG mini on order, but I really, really want the general release version as well - for some weird reason, I absolutely love the parasol and pig!
As far as Cubes go, I always figured that they were a similar size to the cortical stacks from Richard Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs trilogy - one or two centimetres long.
Perfect size for carrying a bunch of them in your pocket after you've excised them from their former owners...
Absolutionis wrote: Does that Haqq lady have a "Cube"? Is this the first artistic representation of what a Cube looks like?
Also, the Umbra Samritan has a new special ammunition type called "Vorpal". I wonder if it'll auto decapitate and kill on crit.
Naw, it'll just go 'snicker-snack.'
Neoterran is trying to whip out his iPhone before the battery explodes. Or he's a personal injury attorney who just happened upon a car accident. "Here's my card..."
These are nice variants of the HVTs. I can definitely see getting Tariqa (dispensing fairy dust-- the hacker program-- from her box.) and the Midnight Sun Analyst. Maybe the Pan-O for my ASA force.
The pig could be placed on a separate base and used as a drop-bear mine. Or a tinbot...
Is the Colonel's Antipode house broken? And I note the Colonel is listed as having an APCCW. He'll have an actual profile in game? The Tohaa diplomatic delegate ( the Interpretive Dancer) does, and the Colonel is from the Diplomatic Corps, so...
So am I the only one that thinks the Umbra wins the month? And too much weathering powder on the feet of all the minis?
I see they continue the tradition of the 'alternates' of LE models being better than the LE model.
Love the Yu Jing and Haqqislam HVTs. The Ariadna dude with the Antipode is badass - wonder if he'll have rules in either Infinity or the RPG? Nomad not-Wolverine is about the same as the RPG model. Ambivalent to the Aleph and Pan Oceania HVTs, but I'm not a big fan of those factions anyway.
-Loki- wrote: I see they continue the tradition of the 'alternates' of LE models being better than the LE model.
Love the Yu Jing and Haqqislam HVTs. The Ariadna dude with the Antipode is badass - wonder if he'll have rules in either Infinity or the RPG? Nomad not-Wolverine is about the same as the RPG model. Ambivalent to the Aleph and Pan Oceania HVTs, but I'm not a big fan of those factions anyway.
They specifically label the Ariadnan as two versions; one normal with nothing special the other as "HVT".
That umbrella-- or parasol-- surely provides a nice opportunity for some really killer freehand work, eh? And a quick search of traditional Japanese and Chinese umbrellas confirms it. I suppose a little GS could repair the mini's dress...what there is of it. :S
Huge improvement over the RPG minis in almost all cases ( the HVT Colonel looks the same as the RPG version)
Knight wrote: I prefer PanO RPG. The HVT is just a bit too generic.
At least NCA have a decent combat profile to use with the model. I have the Icestorm CSU and I bought the similar Civvie for use as a second but that's not going to be an option for some people.
It appears from the pictures its very large for a S2 model not to mention infinity was a kinda realistic future wargame and now this starts to step into fantasy/supernatural land IMO.
Have a hard time seeing how it really fits into infinity as a whole unless next we are getting psychic powers an such......
Oh, you're definitely not the only one that isn't impressed. The mystic element and larger model than his silhouette are completely reasonable critiques.
Infinity is adding more fantasy tropes into its setting, they've already had werewolves, ninjas, claymores, samurai, knights and in the RPG they talk about troll-like creatures on Svalarhaima. It's sort of a thing they've always did, importing tropes into their own sci-fi setting. I was never much of a fan of those, but you can easily avoid the elements you don't like, unless you play competitively. Mechanical benefits might be just a bit too hard to pass.
Infinity is adding more fantasy tropes into its setting, they've already had werewolves, ninjas, claymores, samurai, knights and in the RPGthey talk about troll-like creatures on Svalarhaima.
Knight wrote: Oh, you're definitely not the only one that isn't impressed. The mystic element and larger model than his silhouette are completely reasonable critiques.
Infinity is adding more fantasy tropes into its setting, they've already had werewolves, ninjas, claymores, samurai, knights and in the RPG they talk about troll-like creatures on Svalarhaima. It's sort of a thing they've always did, importing tropes into their own sci-fi setting. I was never much of a fan of those, but you can easily avoid the elements you don't like, unless you play competitively. Mechanical benefits might be just a bit too hard to pass.
A lot of the stuff is explained with pseudo-science.
Werewolves are genetic experimentation by the masters of genetics, the Tohaa.
Ninjas make sense when technology can make you 100% invisible and blades that can cut through anything
Claymores are made of Tesium, the material that pretty much signifies wealth and explains why Ariadna is economically even around in the first place.
Knights are just a natural progression of powered heavy armor. Plus, game-mechanics-wise, that armor works.
There still isn't anything outright magical about anything aside from the we-won't-understand-their-technology perspective that humanity has on the CA's "Voodootech".
As above plus, CB have said there is NO psychic power in the Infinity.
As for the umbra it no worse then a kneeling model or one bending over. Models like this is the whole point of Silhouette system was created, because it would be need otherwise. Modeling freedom was the whole point they even said as much back when the concept was leaked before N3.
Alpharius wrote:they've avoided any sort of Space Magic/Psychic Power stuff, I think?
Alien transcendence comes to mind. New elements such as silk or tesium fill the same niches as in fantasy setting. A new elements that allow something otherwise unimaginable to happen. Otherwise, they've tried to give some scientific cause and effect reasoning. How plausible they are, I'd rather not think about it to be honest. Pseudo science and various tropes sums it for me. How big fan you are of a certain tropes is up to the individual to answer.
Suitably advanced science is indistinguishable from magic blah blah blah.
Pretty sure that things on his base is part of the mini and not terrain, but still hard to tell.
The *distinction* between Sci Fi and Fantasy is somewhat arbitrary and artificial to begin with. There has always been plenty of cross-over between the 2 genres. An entire planet that is one inhabitable biome-- desert world, ice world, etc? Pure fantasy, folks, but you find this sort of thing in Sci-Fi all the time.
Troll-like creatures? Odd way to describe the Yu Jing inhabitants of Svalarheim XD
Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by the announcement of Human Sphere's release... and its (rumored) appearance at Adepticon. Nine days 'til pre-order, and 12-15 days until we see a copy of it ( One hopes)
Y'know... This guy makes me think of Nightcrawler from the Xmen; specifically, the move version with his black smoke curling around. All tthey need to do is blame the ability on a highly advanced "portable transdimensional matter transporter device" instead of " psychically jumping through the Warp", and they're golden in my book.
Their corporate, technologically-advanced optimistic world gives them a lot of leeway in my opinion, so I don't mind seeing anything that does make the aliens somewhat "magical" by comparison.
Mastiff wrote: Y'know... This guy makes me think of Nightcrawler from the Xmen; specifically, the move version with his black smoke curling around. All tthey need to do is blame the ability on a highly advanced "portable transdimensional matter transporter device" instead of " psychically jumping through the Warp", and they're golden in my book.
Their corporate, technologically-advanced optimistic world gives them a lot of leeway in my opinion, so I don't mind seeing anything that does make the aliens somewhat "magical" by comparison.
Not teleportation, but a smoke screen that move with him.
Maybe he has i-Kohl, but instead of being an attractive human female, the Samaritan induces psychological terror like Scarecrow in Batman.
Maybe he has some voodootech variant of TO Camo that has a puff of smoke when uncloaking.
Maybe this is the Combined Army version of an Optical Disruptor.
Maybe this is what Impersonation L2 looks like when the operative "decloaks" and all the disguise falls off in a connective smoky puff.
Maybe a Umbra Hackman in the background is hacking space and time to appear in a hacked hackman haze.
Maybe the Umbra really like super-long wispy cloaks and use it to distract their enemies while they figure out how it works.
Maybe the Umbra is actually nor wearing anything at all and Aleph has censored those images with black bits to protect your sanity.
Maybe the Umbra Samritan is standing on stilts because he's frustrated that Achilles v2.0 can stand toe-to-toe with his race and he wants to be even taller.
Maybe it's a new piece of gear or skill altogether and we won't know until the description and stats come out. Corvus Belli is usually pretty good at at least explaining how things work in a hand-waving manner at worst. Plus, someone is probably going to ask Bosria what's up with the effect.
Maybe he has i-Kohl, but instead of being an attractive human female, the Samaritan induces psychological terror like Scarecrow in Batman.
Maybe he has some voodootech variant of TO Camo that has a puff of smoke when uncloaking.
Maybe this is the Combined Army version of an Optical Disruptor.
Maybe this is what Impersonation L2 looks like when the operative "decloaks" and all the disguise falls off in a connective smoky puff.
Maybe a Umbra Hackman in the background is hacking space and time to appear in a hacked hackman haze.
Maybe the Umbra really like super-long wispy cloaks and use it to distract their enemies while they figure out how it works.
Maybe the Umbra is actually nor wearing anything at all and Aleph has censored those images with black bits to protect your sanity.
Maybe the Umbra Samritan is standing on stilts because he's frustrated that Achilles v2.0 can stand toe-to-toe with his race and he wants to be even taller.
Maybe it's a new piece of gear or skill altogether and we won't know until the description and stats come out. Corvus Belli is usually pretty good at at least explaining how things work in a hand-waving manner at worst. Plus, someone is probably going to ask Bosria what's up with the effect.
Red Harvest wrote: The *distinction* between Sci Fi and Fantasy is somewhat arbitrary and artificial to begin with. There has always been plenty of cross-over between the 2 genres. An entire planet that is one inhabitable biome-- desert world, ice world, etc? Pure fantasy, folks, but you find this sort of thing in Sci-Fi all the time.
Troll-like creatures? Odd way to describe the Yu Jing inhabitants of Svalarheim XD
Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by the announcement of Human Sphere's release... and its (rumored) appearance at Adepticon. Nine days 'til pre-order, and 12-15 days until we see a copy of it ( One hopes)
Actually that's not really true, single-biome worlds would be extremely common. Even right here, on Earth, this period of a diverse environment is a very brief window over the planet's geological history. The Earth has not just been a single biome world, it's been several different single biome worlds, each for longer than the current environment!
Volcano, lava world? Right at the start. Water world? Check. Ice world? "Snowball Earth." Desert world? In the far future for a (geological) while as the sun expands. There's plenty of arguments over what conditions were like at any given time, "Snowball Earth" is contentious in some circles, was the dinosaur era a jungle world or more varied, etc. but you get the idea.
So at any given time if you visit a world it's more likely to be a Hoth or Tattoine than something complicated like we have today.
With regards to science vs. magic, guys the werewolves are absolutely magic, lol. No amount of "genetics" can explain the mass they gain, the werewolves are like four times the size of the men who transformed.
Lanlaorn wrote: With regards to science vs. magic, guys the werewolves are absolutely magic, lol. No amount of "genetics" can explain the mass they gain, the werewolves are like four times the size of the men who transformed.
Maybe they're hollow inside?
How long do we think it will be until copies of HSN3 start shipping?
Bad timing for the pre order since it lines up with Wyrds Easter sale. But then I only miss out on the LE model and I am starting to sour on CB's pre order models since I've not used or painted a single one - making generic models is fun for a while but when they never hit the table I start to wonder what the point is. So I might just grab HS as it hits the shelves.
-Loki- wrote: Bad timing for the pre order since it lines up with Wyrds Easter sale. But then I only miss out on the LE model and I am starting to sour on CB's pre order models since I've not used or painted a single one - making generic models is fun for a while but when they never hit the table I start to wonder what the point is. So I might just grab HS as it hits the shelves.
I consider that to be a result, then!
I've always considered them to be a nice optional extra - nice little painting project to do something different, may or may not get used in a game.
If CB were including absolute "must haves" as the limited edition mini, I'd be of the opinion that they were doing it wrong.
Not that you won't still get some people acting as if their lives no longer had any meaning and should just kill themselves now, as a result of missing out...
-Loki- wrote: Bad timing for the pre order since it lines up with Wyrds Easter sale. But then I only miss out on the LE model and I am starting to sour on CB's pre order models since I've not used or painted a single one - making generic models is fun for a while but when they never hit the table I start to wonder what the point is. So I might just grab HS as it hits the shelves.
I consider that to be a result, then!
I've always considered them to be a nice optional extra - nice little painting project to do something different, may or may not get used in a game.
If CB were including absolute "must haves" as the limited edition mini, I'd be of the opinion that they were doing it wrong.
Considering that in the past, their preorder limited edition minis produced for themselves or partners have included:
Joan of Arc(a brand new sculpt for Angel Giraldez's book; still nowhere in sight as a general release)
Miranda Ashcroft(unique profile ABH for the Infinity Art Book; still nowhere in sight as a general release)
GoGo Marlene(the only WarCor model in existence until N3 released)
Add in the dismounted Maverick, Devil Dog with Heavy Pistol and Chain Rifle for the USARF box(argue all you want on the second one: he's a unique profile that is NOT able to be built out of the new Devil Dog boxed set despite being basically the exact same model and being shoveled out with the exact same K9 Antipode), the CSU from Icestorm, the Reverend Healer(still not a general release version available despite the Father-Knight getting a general release version) and it becomes a case of them "doing it wrong".
Not that you won't still get some people acting as if their lives no longer had any meaning and should just kill themselves now, as a result of missing out...
Exaggerate much?
This is a game that is built around profiles, and the company in question has been moving more and more towards making specific profiles VERY difficult to access without purchasing from third parties or splitting boxes yourself.
I'm usually of the opinion that if such a troop is essential to a list, just proxy it. Or convert it.
Don't think that I've had so much fun doing conversions before I got into Infinity - the stuff that I've learned, the ideas, the materials, the sourcing of parts.
My greenstuff and pinning skills have improved no end!
Blarg, there's still using only icons to represent units instead of words. I know you can hover over them, but it's a pain for newbs like me who don't recognize all the icons on sight. The left/right arrows on the icon bar give no indication if there's actually anything to the left or right. The filters also don't adjust based on the other filters you've selected (ie: you've selected Line Troops but the Weapons drop down still shows all weapons instead of ones available to those Line Troops). Yes, fast, yes, looks great, good, debatable.
skarsol wrote: Blarg, there's still using only icons to represent units instead of words. I know you can hover over them, but it's a pain for newbs like me who don't recognize all the icons on sight.
Pull up the options tab on the right and sort the "Units Menu" Vertically. This lists the units by name as well as icon.
skarsol wrote: The left/right arrows on the icon bar give no indication if there's actually anything to the left or right. The filters also don't adjust based on the other filters you've selected (ie: you've selected Line Troops but the Weapons drop down still shows all weapons instead of ones available to those Line Troops). Yes, fast, yes, looks great, good, debatable.
Seems to work for me.
I was able to sort Aleph's list by "Warband" and "Characters" and get exactly the four that qualify. Then sorted those by those with "Motorcycles" and narrowed down even more to just Penthesilea. All categories seem to work.
Here's an image of all Aleph Warband units with access to a Spitfire. Patroclus has access to a Spitfire, but he's excluded because he's MI, not a WB unit.
Spoiler:
That being said, the sort-by-order doesn't seem to be working aside from "Publishing order". Minor nuisance.
skarsol wrote: Blarg, there's still using only icons to represent units instead of words. I know you can hover over them, but it's a pain for newbs like me who don't recognize all the icons on sight.
Pull up the options tab on the right and sort the "Units Menu" Vertically. This lists the units by name as well as icon.
Wow, they should start in that mode, that's much better.
skarsol wrote: The left/right arrows on the icon bar give no indication if there's actually anything to the left or right. The filters also don't adjust based on the other filters you've selected (ie: you've selected Line Troops but the Weapons drop down still shows all weapons instead of ones available to those Line Troops). Yes, fast, yes, looks great, good, debatable.
Seems to work for me.
I was able to sort Aleph's list by "Warband" and "Characters" and get exactly the four that qualify. Then sorted those by those with "Motorcycles" and narrowed down even more to just Penthesilea. All categories seem to work.
Here's an image of all Aleph Warband units with access to a Spitfire. Patroclus has access to a Spitfire, but he's excluded because he's MI, not a WB unit.
Spoiler:
In Combined Army I select Elite Troops in Classification and then it lets me select G.Servant in Characteristics, which results in 0 units. Or try for Elite Doctors, same set of 0. Or Elites with a Shock CC weapon, etc. It should grey out/remove all filters that are incompatible with the already selected ones.
Mayanet is great, but I've been having crashing problems lately with it. Having it crash mid game taking your army lists and current game state with it is kind of a bummer.
I'm missing the export to pdf function. Sad to see that gone. Even more so that the print option doesn't include weapon ranges like army5 had. That was a really useful inclusion and shouldn't have been removed.
Also, I'm noticing some army choices are different/missing. Azra'il with fueurbach has a point and swc decrease while also losing his x-visor and the mobile brigada under QK can't take missile launchers or hacking devices anymore. Probably other changes that I just haven't found/noticed yet.
Install a virtual print-to-PDF device. That shouldn't be a problem these days
I really wish some army builder would bring back the division by unit type under separate tabs like aleph toolbox for 2nd edition. I know you can make or work in this one but tapping twice rather than just one on an already open list, as it were, doesn't feel half as smooth. It's also not particularly touch-friendly IMO.
It's not a huge deal but it was much more convenient to have it like ia2, certainly as a beginner.
This just rams home the game's stupendous level of variety in unit selection, which can be so overwhelming as to be a bit off-putting, in my experience. Oh well.
I've got a print to pdf function. On firefox movement values don't work. On chrome most stats don't print. Neither include weapon stats and ranges. I'll probably stick with army5 for now but if the new stats and unit options are legitimate I'll have to make the switch at some point. Hopefully these issues are ironed out by then.
The Order Units function in the the Options menu doesn't seem to actually do anything.
Whatever I select, the units still display in ascending publishing order, which is the worst possible way to display units.
I get that they don't want people who bought physical rulebooks to feel like they're using awkwardly segmented army lists with little structure other than "this is the book where we thought of this thing", but... Well, that's just the way it is.
The thought of the online army builder being gimped with this abominable affront to orderliness makes me weep tears of rage.
Someone please tell me I clicked things wrong and everything's going to be OK, again. In the meantime, Army 5's still up: http://www.infinitythegame.com/army/
Pumpkin wrote: The Order Units function in the the Options menu doesn't seem to actually do anything.
Whatever I select, the units still display in ascending publishing order, which is the worst possible way to display units.
Have you dragged the sort criteria into a different order? It sorts by whichever one you dragged to the top, then by the second, then by the third etc.
Still has quite a few bugs to work through. Combined got a whole lot of new symbols for Shasvastii and EI units. Has anyone figured out how to delete a unit from your list?
Pumpkin wrote: The Order Units function in the the Options menu doesn't seem to actually do anything.
Whatever I select, the units still display in ascending publishing order, which is the worst possible way to display units.
Have you dragged the sort criteria into a different order? It sorts by whichever one you dragged to the top, then by the second, then by the third etc.
Dragging?! I had no idea I was in the presence of such powerful tech! (OK, yeah, you could rearrange your team by dragging in Army 5, but still...)
Haha, thanks! Now I know how to use them, I'm liking the freedom to rearrange the army lists in all these different ways.
I do wish they'd implement the order ALEPH Toolbox used to use, though, which I believe was to order the units in average point-cost order, within unit types. So, LI listed from cheapest to most expensive, then MI, etc. Don't know how other people got on with it, but it made it even easier for my brain to parse than alphabetical order, thanks to the order having a meaniingful context.
Baalirock wrote: Still has quite a few bugs to work through. Combined got a whole lot of new symbols for Shasvastii and EI units. Has anyone figured out how to delete a unit from your list?
Mouse over a unit and a cross appears at the top right to delete it.
The "Locust Clandestine Action Group" is now CONFIRMED! Because of a glitch in Army VI, the Krakot Renegade Morat icon is showing instead as the icon for the Locust!
Tristan228 wrote: I wish I could see some new Stuff in Army VI! There is not even the Krakot listed :(
Krakot are specific to "vanilla" lists and Morat Aggression Force. The link for them is live but not functioning properly; hence why we got the Locust icon.
Blarg, there's still using only icons to represent units instead of words. I know you can hover over them, but it's a pain for newbs like me who don't recognize all the icons on sight. The left/right arrows on the icon bar give no indication if there's actually anything to the left or right. The filters also don't adjust based on the other filters you've selected (ie: you've selected Line Troops but the Weapons drop down still shows all weapons instead of ones available to those Line Troops). Yes, fast, yes, looks great, good, debatable.
In their defense, the names can be just as confusing as well.
Tristan228 wrote: I wish I could see some new Stuff in Army VI! There is not even the Krakot listed :(
Krakot are specific to "vanilla" lists and Morat Aggression Force. The link for them is live but not functioning properly; hence why we got the Locust icon.
Found it in the MAF list but there is still not locust / Krakot icon to find in the vanilla lists
Tristan228 wrote: I wish I could see some new Stuff in Army VI! There is not even the Krakot listed :(
Krakot are specific to "vanilla" lists and Morat Aggression Force. The link for them is live but not functioning properly; hence why we got the Locust icon.
Found it in the MAF list but there is still not locust / Krakot icon to find in the vanilla lists
Was only showing up in certain Vanilla lists. You had to scroll alllllllllll the way to the end.
This quote from -V-s article on the Infinity site is intriguing
Jesus Fuster wrote:The arrival of Operation: Icestorm meant a revolution for CB: from a business stand point as well as from a technological stand point.
I knew that Icestorm did very well for them. I had not heard that it had such a ripple effect though.
I would love a simple search box. Type in a unit name and get the profile. The hunt and peck through the icons gets old pretty quickly.
Barzam wrote: I just noticed that she's listed as a Druze. That's really cool. I'm definitely down for having some new Mercenary characters over having a new ABH.
She wouldn't be a "character" but rather just an alternate sculpt, like the Tabitha Bolt.
She's such a radically different design to the existing Druze that I think we might see a resculpt of them coming sometime soon.
Barzam wrote: I just noticed that she's listed as a Druze. That's really cool. I'm definitely down for having some new Mercenary characters over having a new ABH.
Remember ABH use what ever equipment they want.
And CB has said multiple times they like the books limited models to have a use for as many players as possible. Druze would not fit that bill.
Barzam wrote: I just noticed that she's listed as a Druze. That's really cool. I'm definitely down for having some new Mercenary characters over having a new ABH.
Remember ABH use what ever equipment they want.
And CB has said multiple times they like the books limited models to have a use for as many players as possible. Druze would not fit that bill.
And yet, they released a limited edition Joan of Arc(usable by PanO players) and Miranda Ashcroft(ISS and non-Sectorial/non-alien players) and Authorized Bounty Hunter(ISS and non-Sectorial/non-alien players).
They're just not really used much anymore because they were never really "OMG WOW!" profiles to begin with, and with the addition of Kaplan the one Sectorial where Druze could be taken(Qapu Khalqi), the Kaplan became such an auto-take that Druze got shoved out entirely.
Umm... Arc DOES NOT come with a CB Infinity book. And you know that, so don't play dumb.
And you also know the other ones you pointed out, fall under the most player possible statement. As in all factions expect aliens and even a sectional or two. All are within the stated goal of CB limited book models. I mean Carlos even said the except aliens faction part as they have limited crossover.
Noir wrote: Umm... Arc DOES NOT come with a CB Infinity book. And you know that, so don't play dumb.
Check out what "Studio Giraldez"(aka: Angel Giraldez, the guy painting Infinity stuff for how long now?) has listed under their occupation on the Facebook page.
Head Painter Corvus Belli S.L.L ( Infinity)
Whether you want to claim it's "not a CB Infinity book" or not, the model was produced specifically for his book, was sold by Corvus Belli through their webstore, was promoted by Corvus Belli heavily, had models donated to the production of the book by Corvus Belli, and several other things which basically say "This is a Corvus Belli sponsored production".
Did they publish it? Nope! But to pretend it is not effectively a "How to Paint Infinity Miniatures" book is pretty disingenuous.
And you also know the other ones you pointed out, fall under the most player possible statement. As in all factions expect aliens and even a sectional or two.
There currently exists one(and only one) faction allowing for Bounty Hunters. That's the Imperial Service(aka: ISS).
It's also worth noting that it's not like I concealed that fact. "ISS and non-Sectorial/non-alien players" is pretty on the nose as to what it contains. You can feel whatever you like, I still will maintain that shutting out(deep breath):
Tohaa
Steel Phalanx
Combined Army
Morat Aggression Force
Shasvastii Expeditionary Force
Onyx First Contact Force
Corregidor Jurisdictional Command
Bakunin Jurisdictional Command
Neoterra
Military Orders
Aconticemento Shock Army
Merovingian Rapid Response Force
Caledonians
USAriadna Ranger Force
Qapu-Khalqi
Hassassin Bahram
Japanese Sectorial Army
versus allowing Bounty Hunters in:
PanOceania
Nomads
Ariadna
Haqqislam
ALEPH
Yu-Jing
Imperial Service
Kinda paints a big picture that they don't quite understand the concept of "accessibility" as much as you seem to be arguing for.
All are within the stated goal of CB limited book models. I mean Carlos even said the except aliens faction part as they have limited crossover.
If you want to get into the specifics, the "stated goals of CB limited edition book models" is:
A) Maintain the most accessibility for those who have the model and want to make use of it in-game(i.e. why they have not done another Miranda Ashcroft--a model with a unique profile)
and
B) A "special preorder bonus" that is to appeal to collectors/painters as well as gamers.
On a far more fun and on-topic note, March 28th is the date for Human Sphere N3 preorders and another Beasts of War Infinity week apparently.
Giraldez is a CB employee and has been for a long time. His book, though, was his baby, but he had a lot of support. Jeanne d'Arc and J d'A 2.0 are both generally available sculpts, which means the new sculpt that came with his book is just a bonus, not an essential, unlike Miranda Ashcroft or the CSU ( actual profiles with LE minis. Boo! CB)
Nobody plays Druze, nobody. At least that I've seen or heard of in my years of playing. The blue haired mini looks like it could stand as a Ghulam or something though, hmm, even an Acontecimento Regular... works for me.
I don't get it, why all this fuss about the ABHs? All this "OMG why aren't he accessible for everyone?" and "CB is so mean!". That's kindergarten level! If I read the profiles of the ABHs I can't see any additional benefit in them worth enough to swich from my sectorial to the general fraction.
ABHs are basically Line Troops without providing a regular order. A Morlock equipped with a BS can do that job better and also provides useful smoke to my army costing the same as the cheapest ABH equipped with a BS too.
Also since the most tourneys allow a Spec-Ops (access to MSR, HMG, Spitfire) even the special weapon ABHs are kind of useless and overpriced.
They're not great, but I love the models and fluff enough to use them. I just wish in QK their AVA was 5, I'm still not a fan of Hafza fillers. I hope they get a redo in HSN3 though, as their fluff and rules are pretty weirdly different. Their fluff paints them as take no prisoners badasses that give no gaks as they walk up, kick the doors in and start shooting. However, in the game they're slow, high ARM with X-visors that let them shoot from further away, making them better at bunkering down in cover and shooting from afar? Yeah, fix the rules CB so those lovely models get fielded more.
Bleh, I don't know what else they would put in as a LE model. If they made them models a particular faction was clamoring for (UUUUUUUUUUUUUknow what I'm talking about...) then the same people would be bitching about that too.
plastictrees wrote: It's really not about ABH's (or that much fuss honestly).
It's just about the accesibility of official models for certain unique profiles.
Are we expecting miniature releases or just HS3 pre-order/release next month?
HSN3 preorder goes live on March 28th, the preorder period should be a month long.
There will likely be limited releases rather than a large number of them.
They're not great, but I love the models and fluff enough to use them. I just wish in QK their AVA was 5, I'm still not a fan of Hafza fillers. I hope they get a redo in HSN3 though, as their fluff and rules are pretty weirdly different. Their fluff paints them as take no prisoners badasses that give no gaks as they walk up, kick the doors in and start shooting. However, in the game they're slow, high ARM with X-visors that let them shoot from further away, making them better at bunkering down in cover and shooting from afar? Yeah, fix the rules CB so those lovely models get fielded more.
Nice selective editing of my post. They are some sharp looking minis, but so much meh in game.
Bleh, I don't know what else they would put in as a LE model. If they made them models a particular faction was clamoring for (UUUUUUUUUUUUUknow what I'm talking about...) then the same people would be bitching about that too.
We've gotten several faction specific LE models - Joan of Arc with Angels book (PanO), alternate Van Zant and dismounted Maverick as gencon preorders (Ariadna), heavy armour Yuan Yuan with Battlefoam bags (Qapu Khalki), 10th anniversary Achilles (Aleph). If they kept with these rather than going with authorised bounty hunters or other generic models, there's another 7 faction specific limited edition models they could have made (alternate Le Muet, Miranda, GoGo, sniper ABH, Max Scorpio, heavy armour ABH, Krakot). More than enough to give every faction a limited edition model and then some.
Barring the odd mini (say, Go-Go Marlene), they're not exactly hard to get hold of around the time of release.
Despite my initial panic about the Angel Giraldez book, I ended up with two copies of it (gave one away), a friend gave his Joan of Arc mini away to someone that was interested in it.
Even without trying, you can get these things. GenCon release mini? Order it from CB. Another friend of mine did that with Van Zant.
I've come to the conclusion that if people really want these LE minis, then the only way that they won't be able to is if they've seriously messed up their karma.
Tristan228 wrote: ABHs are basically Line Troops without providing a regular order. A Morlock equipped with a BS can do that job better and also provides useful smoke to my army costing the same as the cheapest ABH equipped with a BS too. Also since the most tourneys allow a Spec-Ops (access to MSR, HMG, Spitfire) even the special weapon ABHs are kind of useless and overpriced.
Not everyone gets a warband, plays with spec ops, or something remotely interesting for cheap. They're not a reason to branch out, especially, if you play almost complete sectorial such as Corregidor or NCA (CSU). Personally also allow ABH to skip rolling on table, if they have equipment already presentable (ARM and motorcycle for instance). Part of me wonders, if PanO might eventually face the same design problem as Cygnar. Most of good options are gained through mercenaries, resulting in an army that has little to do with classic faction models.
Chillreaper wrote: Despite my initial panic about the Angel Giraldez book, I ended up with two copies of it (gave one away), a friend gave his Joan of Arc mini away to someone that was interested in it.
Even still, the mini is available to this day: http://www.thewarstore.com/product105949.html Rather, it's "on order", but it's not as exclusive as everyone was thinking it would be primarily because it got a second reprint of both the book and model. Perhaps it's even a third wave now...?
Meanwhile, I'm still whining about the $80 renovated YuanYuan model that was bundled with a tumor and yet was a better model than the originals. Hopefully the upcoming Mercs will give them a resculpt and obsolete the special edition model.
Shockingly many people just like to collect the minis even if they are not that great on the battlefield. I love the bounty hunter (and other mercenary) minis as they bring a great amount of character in to the background. As they are equipped with different faction gear it ties the world together. The different super powers trade their gear to eachother and the mercenaries live among different nations and pick up stuff from there.
Bleh, I don't know what else they would put in as a LE model. If they made them models a particular faction was clamoring for (UUUUUUUUUUUUUknow what I'm talking about...) then the same people would be bitching about that too.
We've gotten several faction specific LE models - Joan of Arc with Angels book (PanO), alternate Van Zant and dismounted Maverick as gencon preorders (Ariadna), heavy armour Yuan Yuan with Battlefoam bags (Qapu Khalki), 10th anniversary Achilles (Aleph). If they kept with these rather than going with authorised bounty hunters or other generic models, there's another 7 faction specific limited edition models they could have made (alternate Le Muet, Miranda, GoGo, sniper ABH, Max Scorpio, heavy armour ABH, Krakot). More than enough to give every faction a limited edition model and then some.
Within the context of LE models released with unrelated products (a USAriadna model in a USAriadna box isn't really the same thing) there's just Joan. When the Yuan Yuan came out, anybody but Combined could field them outside of ITS events.
IJW wrote: When the Yuan Yuan came out, anybody but Combined could field them outside of ITS events.
Still can, if your opponent agrees. Admittedly that erratum is buried in the depths of the forum, but it's in the Mercenary troops page of the wiki too. It's more widely useable in 3rd edition than in 2nd, since it's no longer prohibited to Yu Jing armies, and Qapu Khalki can use it too.
Pumpkin wrote: I do wish they'd implement the order ALEPH Toolbox used to use, though, which I believe was to order the units in average point-cost order, within unit types. So, LI listed from cheapest to most expensive, then MI, etc. Don't know how other people got on with it, but it made it even easier for my brain to parse than alphabetical order, thanks to the order having a meaniingful context.
Actually, I partially retract that statement. Can't believe I didn't realise before, but ordering units first by Type (LI, MI, etc.) and second by Classification (Line Troop, Elite, etc.) gets you pretty similar results. Not quite the same, especially if you have a lot of troops within a certain Classification, but it's still pretty handy!
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I just wish you could enter a filter of a specific point value or less not just the value.
You can!
See the = signs next to the Points and SWC buttons at the top? Press those to switch between =, <= and >=.
Seems to be slightly borked at the moment - not quite returning accurate results for me - but at least it's in there, and it'll be useful when it's fixed!
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I just wish you could enter a filter of a specific point value or less not just the value.
You can!
See the = signs next to the Points and SWC buttons at the top? Press those to switch between =, <= and >=.
Seems to be slightly borked at the moment - not quite returning accurate results for me - but at least it's in there, and it'll be useful when it's fixed!
At last! It is shaping in, in paper, as something you can touch. It wasn’t fast nor easy. During the whole duration of 2015 we have been redesigning, improving and optimizing the game and its miniatures range, bringing it up to match the new N3 standard. But here we are, at the beginning of 2016, with the printers at full capacity, bringing the first expansion of the third edition of Infinity: Human Sphere N3.
As the majority of the Infinity veterans know, the game experienced a revolution in 2014 with the release of the “Operation: Icestorm” Battle Box followed by the release of Infinity N3. A move planned by Corvus Belli back in 2012 with a lot of work in the process. Not only the rules and system improved, but also the miniatures experienced a true artistic revolution by establishing a new and higher quality standard.
Oh, yes… it attracted lots of players and Infinity collectors, so it seemed obvious that all the Infinity universe was put under the same level of N3, both in rules, profiles and the new sculpting level too. Something way easier said than done.
Truth was that a range of more than 600 miniatures, with their weapons, skills and quirks cannot be transitioned from N2 to N3 in a heartbeat. So we decided that 2015 would be a transition year on which the players would enjoy the third edition of rules and a mathematical update of all the troop costs available via the Infinity Army and the downloadable PDF on the website.
Obviously, the keen eyed saw that the N3 troops hadn’t received the improvements when compared to the troops outside the Basic Book. The troops belonging to other Infinity expansions just had a recalculated cost, were updated but not optimized. Let me explain: Yu Jing’s Hac Tao, a troop from the Basic Book of N3, improved as a troop in many aspects, while Haqqislam’s Bashi Bazouk, that belonged to the “Human Sphere” expansion book had only a variation in Cost.
Well, it has finally arrived, the moment of optimization. With “Human Sphere N3” the troop profile, and to keep with the same example here, of the Bashi Bazouk will be optimized following the N3 rules, now they will have more possibilities. They will have “Surprise Shot” and other fun stuff. That is just a sample of what is coming to all the troops and armies.
ALEPH and Tohaa were back on the day the new factions introduced on the Infinity expansions, now they are back with more troops and options than before.
And don’t forget about USAriadna and the First Contact Onyx Force: the new armies coming on Human Sphere N3, new tactics and enemies to face on the game table.
Next Monday March 28th the pre-order period for the “Human Sphere N3” book starts, and it comes with a free miniature! The thematic week on Beasts of War starts on Monday and it will bring lots of information about the contents of the book. We are indeed living days of joy, big news and crazy eagerness to enjoy the most balanced, flexible and tactical game in the market!
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I just wish you could enter a filter of a specific point value or less not just the value.
You can!
See the = signs next to the Points and SWC buttons at the top? Press those to switch between =, <= and >=.
Seems to be slightly borked at the moment - not quite returning accurate results for me - but at least it's in there, and it'll be useful when it's fixed!
I'm not feeling the energy. We've already seen the Father Knight in that exact pose, everything else on that particular cover it seems as it went through Deus Ex/Mass Effect intro filter. However I think we had this discussion when N3 was first shown. I do like PanOceania will be on one of the covers of Human Sphere. I expected Aleph or Nomads.
I hope for some interesting additions to PanOceania. Otherwise it will continue to be terrible game experience, as my current meta continues to revolve around camo-msv2/smoke gimmicks.
Yeah, if you have issues to counter smoke / MSV2 combos with PanO you're doing something blatantly wrong. Especially if you know that your meta relies on these gimmicks.
I knew people are going to simply say MSV 2 magically solves problems (against Nomads/Aleph/Combined you'll have to be careful for white noise combo as well). If opponent is going to camp his MSV model it's going to be very hard to assassinate it on the first turn. For this reason I'm looking forward to Locust, they're going to be great at adding on the pressure and forcing my opponent to cover more angles, leaving potentially more room for an AD, Forward deployment, or infiltrating unit to remove it.
Going second normally means I need to deploy everything outside of a LoF of a MSV model as otherwise it's going to get removed. Although I must admit that the table is part of the problem, sparse table gives power to such combo. It's much easier to handle such combo with more terrain on it. Still, doesn't help when all tables are taken.
Anyway, PM or open a new topic, if you want to discuss it further.
Ha, I knew when I saw the LE model on the table something would happen to it. I thought he was going to drop the N3 rulebook on it the way he was fumbling with it. At least he only dropped it a short distance.
I wonder if we're getting new Druze models? That's a significant redesign, and the base is entirely different.
-Loki- wrote: Ha, I knew when I saw the LE model on the table something would happen to it. I thought he was going to drop the N3 rulebook on it the way he was fumbling with it. At least he only dropped it a short distance.
I wonder if we're getting new Druze models? That's a significant redesign, and the base is entirely different.
I doubt it, the Druze look fine (awesome, actually) and as mercs a bit of individuality isn't too out of place. Plus I think her leg armour is exactly the same still (well, very similar).
Courtesy of Cervantes screenshotting from the 2nd video:
They gave us a 'sampling' of new profiles for each Sectorial, not all with profiles. Bandits got stated to have a "Killer Hacking Device" profile, the Kanren got previewed for ISS, Tikbalang for ASA is stated to be April/May-ish and does come an Uhlan as well. That's kinda annoying--unless he was trying to say it's 2 models or builds 2 variants.
Stiopa hooked me up with a link, here's the Blackfriar Dossier:
The Bakunin Swast look really cool, I'm a huge fan of the big S5 HI. In fact, HI in general tend to be my favourite models, I like how a lot of the new stuff is heavy infantry.
Kanluwen wrote: Oh yeah, and take into account the AVA numbers on the profile pages are all for vanilla not their respective Sectorials.
AVA 1 becomes AVA2, AVA2 becomes 4 in most cases.
Tohaa and characters are naturally exempt from that.
Yeah the Shikami confused me for a half a second, AVA 1 but fire team duo, before it clicked it was the vanilla AVA (and then Bostria said as much haha).
Interesting profiles. I'm guessing Voronin is S4 due to his Antipode buddy. Weird that the Antipode doesn't get statted or mentioned though
I'm very curious about those Taskmasters. I'm guessing that they're going to be like the Azra'il with their heavy power armors. Can't wait to see them.
The Druze girl looks really good. Her design isn't actually that different from the existing Druze. She just has a jacket instead of the aemor over the arms. I guess CB are going to sucker me into preordering, because I really want that figure.
Barzam wrote: Interesting profiles. I'm guessing Voronin is S4 due to his Antipode buddy. Weird that the Antipode doesn't get statted or mentioned though
I'm very curious about those Taskmasters. I'm guessing that they're going to be like the Azra'il with their heavy power armors. Can't wait to see them.
The Druze girl looks really good. Her design isn't actually that different from the existing Druze. She just has a jacket instead of the aemor over the arms. I guess CB are going to sucker me into preordering, because I really want that figure.
That's kind of what I figured. He'll probably be sort of like a Tinbot or something. I'm just surprised that it doesn't really affect his stats in any other way or even have its own. Hell, the dog doesn't even really count as a piece of equipment.
Hassassin Ayyars sound fun. I like the Shock Marksman profile a lot. I wonder why the sniper doesn't get Surprise Shot L2? It's got a Holoprojector. I wonder what Free Agent is?
It's sad that the prfile we're sneaked for Aleph is yet another Steel Phalanx character. Human Sphere introduced the entirety of Aleph, lets see some new Vedic units.
There isn't a profile there that doesn't make me want to start that army (except Aleph).
Not they they're super powerful, just neat, adding something new to their sectorals.
Looking forward to seeing all the new HI in particular (not that we'll get minis for all of this right away).
Crap I just noticed the Ayyar is a HI! An actual Hassassin HI (Asawira don't count since they're not Hassassin) with Holo 2 and Surprise shot L2? Now I'm more excited for the unit.
Absolutely love that piece of artwork. Can now assume that blimps carrying troops will be incoming?
Dark Sphere are selling Human Sphere for £37.50 which is the best offer I have seen so far (Wayland Games have it at £40, although assume you can add something to the order to hit the £50 free shipping level)
Pacific wrote: Absolutely love that piece of artwork. Can now assume that blimps carrying troops will be incoming?
Dark Sphere are selling Human Sphere for £37.50 which is the best offer I have seen so far (Wayland Games have it at £40, although assume you can add something to the order to hit the £50 free shipping level)
Yeah, I added the Voronin that comes out about the same time and got free shipping for both from Wayland.
Pacific wrote: Absolutely love that piece of artwork. Can now assume that blimps carrying troops will be incoming?
Dark Sphere are selling Human Sphere for £37.50 which is the best offer I have seen so far (Wayland Games have it at £40, although assume you can add something to the order to hit the £50 free shipping level)
Shipping from Dark Sphere is a lot though, do they have free delivery at a certain amount?
The Noctifers and Sphinx models aren't being resculpted like a lot of the Shasvastii, they're fine still, so I imagine the Shasvastii aesthetic isn't changing too drastically.
Also the profile of the Xenodron Batroid from that video.
They didn't specifically mention what the "Red Fury" is, but it was rumored quite some time back to be a Spitfire of some sort.
In the Onyx Force, the Xenodrons can be taken as a Haris Fireteam with an Umbra. Later this week, there will be a battle report with the Xenodrons featured.
Additionally, it was stated that the Nexus Operatives can be placed in a Fireteam with Unidron Batroids.
Light TAG with Haris. That's scary, then again, no defensive MOD to modify FtF roll with a missile/rocket launcher. GMLREM with support ware for extra ARO fun.
I am greatly looking forward to the new light TAG models. Easy to transport and assemble.
Haris is in addition to a core fireteam too, so you could still have a Unidron link or Rodok link (points permitting) in addition to your Haris TAG link.
Pacific wrote: Absolutely love that piece of artwork. Can now assume that blimps carrying troops will be incoming?
Dark Sphere are selling Human Sphere for £37.50 which is the best offer I have seen so far (Wayland Games have it at £40, although assume you can add something to the order to hit the £50 free shipping level)
Yeah, I added the Voronin that comes out about the same time and got free shipping for both from Wayland.
The Infinite wrote: If guardian is some sort of animal companion and Andromeda comes with a flash pulse (all profiles) here's hoping she gets an Aleph Steel Panther.
If we're wishing for a feline, it has to be a lynx (bobcat for US).
Pacific wrote: Absolutely love that piece of artwork. Can now assume that blimps carrying troops will be incoming?
Dark Sphere are selling Human Sphere for £37.50 which is the best offer I have seen so far (Wayland Games have it at £40, although assume you can add something to the order to hit the £50 free shipping level)
Shipping from Dark Sphere is a lot though, do they have free delivery at a certain amount?
somtimes on certain things its better if you buy more in ds that balances stuff out. i only want the figure honestly this time.
Scavenging is one of the cooler rules they have ever introduced, especially, if like my group you like to link battles together through story.
That's a miniature I want to see. The only thing is, will he look like John Wayne, or will it be a superhero likeness.
The only thing safe to say about the Unknown Ranger is I think we can cut off the idea of it being a cowboy-ish model.
The unit motto is "Old Rangers don't die, they just regroup in Hell and come back to finish the fight". That suggests that the model/unit is intended to be a military themed unit.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: Marauders box before this summer ,
Minutemen probably this year,
female Foxtrot ranger soon-ish
Female Foxtrot Ranger better not suck. Cheesecake is for dessert, not combat.
Yeah. She absolutely was. Bared midriff with a camo cloak wrapped over her arm and wacky pigtails and a 'barracks room poster pinup pose'. The male version of the same unit is covered in camo paint on all bare skin, but not her.
The females in the current line for USAriadna are definitely not.
Well considering there's 4 females in the current USARF line(3 Grunt sculpts and the Maverick/dismounted Maverick), only one is actively firing her weapon and all were given the conscious design decision to remove the plate carrier vests on the Grunts that the male counterparts have to instead do what amounts to "push-up webbing" on all of them--and actually ADDED that same webbing when the male Maverick we got concept art of is essentially just wearing a jacket and a motocross helmet?
Not really willing to give them the benefit of the doubt there.
I don't think the Unknown Ranger is going to be a unit/group of guys.
It will probably be a 1 man show. Rambo, Chuck Norris, Grizzled Vet, etc...
Nobody's saying they are going to be a unit...?
Characters tend to be tied to certain 'parts' of a faction or specific units. I kinda feel like them calling him "The Unknown Ranger" and having the patch say "Old Rangers don't die, they just go to Hell and come back to finish the fight"--coupled with the patch icon itself basically being a recolored version of the unit icon for Grunts(aka the "Line Rangers Regiments") and the Ranger Force icon as a whole...it's a way of them saying "This character is tied into the militaristic aspect of the faction, not the auxiliaries"(not the Marines[Devil Dogs], not the Desperadoes, and not the Hardcases).
The unit motto is "Old Rangers don't die, they just regroup in Hell and come back to finish the fight". That suggests that the model/unit is intended to be a military themed unit.
So you didn't say that?
I must be tripping then because "model/unit" seems to reference a unit or a model.
Your definition of "cheesecake" and mine must be VERY different. That old Foxtrot looks nothing like Prodos or Toughest Girls stuff.
I'm sorry the grunt females aren't "actiony" posed enough for you and the males just look like they have packs on their front, not armor plates.
Sounds like you just needed to get some SJW out there.
The unit motto is "Old Rangers don't die, they just regroup in Hell and come back to finish the fight". That suggests that the model/unit is intended to be a military themed unit.
So you didn't say that?
I must be tripping then because "model/unit" seems to reference a unit or a model.
Your definition of "cheesecake" and mine must be VERY different. That old Foxtrot looks nothing like Prodos or Toughest Girls stuff.
I'm sorry the grunt females aren't "actiony" posed enough for you and the males just look like they have packs on their front, not armor plates.
Sounds like you just needed to get some SJW out there.
The female foxtrot definitely was cheesecakey, especially when compared with the male. And he just meant that the Unknown Ranger is a character from a military unit, as opposed to something like a Hardcase. It's a character, but his origins are in a ranger unit.
The unit motto is "Old Rangers don't die, they just regroup in Hell and come back to finish the fight". That suggests that the model/unit is intended to be a military themed unit.
So you didn't say that?
I must be tripping then because "model/unit" seems to reference a unit or a model.
When I say "model", I'm referring specifically to the physical model. When I say "unit", I'm referring specifically to the unit profile.
Seeing as how we have no idea what The Unknown Ranger looks like, I figured it would be relatively clear that my post addressed the physical look of the model--i.e. it would be a "military themed unit" look. No cowboy hat, no poncho, no six-shooter.
Fatigues, maybe a boonie hat in place of a helmet. Plate carrying vest.
Your definition of "cheesecake" and mine must be VERY different. That old Foxtrot looks nothing like Prodos or Toughest Girls stuff.
Cheesecake has one definition. You've just chosen to put an obligatory line as to where/when a model becomes cheesecakey.
I'm sorry the grunt females aren't "actiony" posed enough for you and the males just look like they have packs on their front, not armor plates.
Since you seemed to be so intent on picking apart my post, it's rather interesting that you didn't note that nowhere did I say I disliked the poses on the others.
Literally my only complaint with the female Grunts is the fact that they made the conscious design decision to do what they did--they removed the plate carrying vests with pouches that the male equivalents have and instead did what some on the official Infinity forums have called a "boob ribbon", where they chose to specifically do the straps for the backpacks in such a way that they emphasize the breasts heavily.
Sounds like you just needed to get some SJW out there.
Sounds like you need to understand that people can dislike something for being "sexy" or "objectifying" without being a SJW. This isn't Twitter or 4chan. Don't throw that term around here. You want to have a discussion? Start a thread or PM.
Pacific wrote: Have to say I love the expression "boob ribbon"
So looking at the stats are the Blackjacks going to be represented as some form of Ariadne HI? I'm not familiar with the background of them.
We have no background on them beyond the name, unit motto, unit insignia.
They're the 10th Heavy Ranger Regiment(that alone was a clue they were going to be heavy infantry--look at the standard Ranger[Grunts] statline!) and they have the unit motto of "The Winning Hand".
That information is stuff we've had since the USAriadna Army Pack. This is the first real update to that unit.
Got my order in last night (will probably regret it when Miniature Market puts it at 50 percent off with the figure a month after release). Now I just need to get the rest of the Druze.
The Infinite wrote: If guardian is some sort of animal companion and Andromeda comes with a flash pulse (all profiles) here's hoping she gets an Aleph Steel Panther.
If we're wishing for a feline, it has to be a lynx (bobcat for US).
The bobcat and lynx are different species of feline. Both in the Lynx genus though. FYI.
Random thoughts...
LE mini will make a nice Acontecimento Regular (said before I'm sure) now that I get a good view of it. I think I like it better than the ABH from N3. That weird vest on the mini...
Recycling the cheesecake talk... again. Really?
I do hope that the USARF may not become the Mary Sue sectorial.
Lots of new stuff. It will take a while to figure out how it all integrates. And if the past is any indication, We should all have our copies of HS sometime in mid to late May.
Does anyone have a copy of the 1st edition Infinity rulebook? I seem to remember that having mention of low-tech TAGs which included the fact that they couldn't be hacked. Of course, nothing ever came of that, but it could be the same for the Blackjacks.
Pacific wrote: Have to say I love the expression "boob ribbon"
So looking at the stats are the Blackjacks going to be represented as some form of Ariadne HI? I'm not familiar with the background of them.
We have no background on them beyond the name, unit motto, unit insignia.
They're the 10th Heavy Ranger Regiment(that alone was a clue they were going to be heavy infantry--look at the standard Ranger[Grunts] statline!) and they have the unit motto of "The Winning Hand".
That information is stuff we've had since the USAriadna Army Pack. This is the first real update to that unit.
OK cool, thanks for that.
Very interested to see what kind of miniature these get, there are different ways it could be interpreted.
ImAGeek wrote: Only the dossier for them, not the profiles.
Actually...
Panoceanian Black Friars - PANO [Specifically MO]
MI MOV 4-2 CC 16 BS 13 PH 11 WIP 13 ARM 2 BTS 3 AVA 1[2 in MO] S 2
Regular Not Impetuous Cube
Multispectral Visor L2 Religious Troop
29 pts, 1.5SWC - MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser| Pistol, CCW 27 pts - MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears | ALBEDO, BIOMETRIC VISOR L1
This is from the same leak that had the Locusts namedropped and profiled. It was only off in the form of the points costs for the Hacker variant(it was off by a few points).
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AndrewGPaul wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 1st edition Infinity rulebook? I seem to remember that having mention of low-tech TAGs which included the fact that they couldn't be hacked. Of course, nothing ever came of that, but it could be the same for the Blackjacks.
Remember that in 1E and 2E there weren't as many Hacker uses as there are now.
The Blackjacks are Hackable--but the Lo-Tech A special rule might be something that means they can only be affected by certain Hacker programs or can't be affected while Lo-Tech A is in effect or something like that.
Personally, I'm thinking that it will be they can only be affected by certain programs while the rule is in effect as it only applies to the Full Power profile.
They have stated there is going to be a way to make your RPG character a statted wargame character, if a little underpowered, but they didn't say that the RPG models specifically would get wargame stats.
.Mikes. wrote: Cool, thanks. Well I'll have fun trying to guess what it, and Albedo, means before release.
Supposedly it makes the wearer invisible to opponent's MSV (personal white noise effect) for a round. There's some confusion, if this also makes Black Friar unable to shot, however that would be just silly. I'm loving this rumour, as it makes life against smoke/msv so much easier. Opponent can always go with white noise to blind the albedo user, however it will block its own MSV in the process. Interesting game PanO is playing, if albedo rumour is true. I hope there's more than one in generic army.
I guess Nisse hacker (along with others) is going to get a lot more cooler. I'll need more REM to go along. Infinity is starting to feel more like MtG, but in a good way, if they provide decent variety of sideboard profiles to go along your specialization.
Even PanO vs Nomads in a info war might not get so one sided. This is a really promising aspect on where the game could go.
It seems like a massive missed opportunity if they don't present an official way to integrate those RPG minis into the wargame. They might sell decently just as cool figures, but at the very least they should do something like pick a LI profile from the appropriate faction and put "so and so is an official proxy for such and such" in the rules somewhere.
Sure, people will probably use them as proxies anyway. But if you're not going to give them their own stats, official proxy status would be the cheapest and easiest way to integrate them.
TheWaspinator wrote: It seems like a massive missed opportunity if they don't present an official way to integrate those RPG minis into the wargame. They might sell decently just as cool figures, but at the very least they should do something like pick a LI profile from the appropriate faction and put "so and so is an official proxy for such and such" in the rules somewhere.
Sure, people will probably use them as proxies anyway. But if you're not going to give them their own stats, official proxy status would be the cheapest and easiest way to integrate them.
Okay, two things.
1. There is a way in the RPG to convert your character to a tabletop unit. It is not, for many reasons, ITS supported and is very much opponents permission, as you are simply creating a new model and is essentially homebrewing a unit. But it will be in the RPG rulebook.
2. The 'RPG' models were only available during the kickstarter. These models are faction specific HVT's, which have rules for use. Sure, they don't do anything, but they have a function. Everyone needs a HVT.
Was going to say, absolutely nothing to stop you using the RPG minis as HVT in ITS games.
In home/campaign games? The world is your oyster, if your gaming group is game then I'm sure there are loads of ideas you could come up with, or use the mini as a 'counts as' or objective perhaps.
FK get link duo. ORCs get Haris. In what sectorial though? They're not in any of the current ones - are ORCs svalarheiman? Carlos was specific that even with Haris as a skill you still need to play a sectorial to play a haris link.
So EVO has auto allways active abitilies now and a Hacker does have to choose what one before it used.
Need to see the rules page over the pic of the guide at the back of the book, but so far it looks like Netrods are going to be dropping with a 75% chance of hitting the target.
And B2 (or other bonus) REM from deployment is great.
With WIP reroll, now there is no reason to leave home with out one.
Knight wrote: Maybe they'll be in Svalarheima after all. I'd rather have them in Varuna, but if that leaves more room for something new. Who am I to say no.
Father Knight and Santiago were mentioned as having duo. Usable in generic army as well.
They might still be in Varuna, I don't think we have any info either way.
Knight wrote: Maybe they'll be in Svalarheima after all. I'd rather have them in Varuna, but if that leaves more room for something new. Who am I to say no.
Father Knight and Santiago were mentioned as having duo. Usable in generic army as well.
They might still be in Varuna, I don't think we have any info either way.
We have more info than you might think. Look at the naming conventions and themes given to the various Sectorials.
"Orc" is a mythological name given to armor designed and built on Svalarheima by a company whose initials are ORC. Svalarheima has the Nisse and Jotum as their only known named stuff.
Varuna, on the other hand, is a sectorial that we know is themed around their signature force which is a counterterrorist group that employs the Kamau and Cutters regularly. Kamau, Cutters, and Croc-Men fit in here while Svalarheima gets Nisse, Jotum, and are almost guaranteed to be getting Orcs--unless they opt instead to have Orcs be designated as a troop exclusively deployed on Terra with the Earth Bastion Army.
Fair enough! Svalarheima sounds more likely then. I always thought they were going to be Varuna for some reason. Also I never thought how few Svalarheima specific units we have so far.
Every unit will be in a sectorial, so ORCs will be in either Svalarheim or Varuna. Svalarheim seems the logical choice. Now, the LI for Svalarheim, that is a mystery. We know the MI will be Nisses, and the TAG is obvious. Still leaves a lot of holes though.
It looks very much like Bostria was not kidding when he said (supposedly) that "Infinity will be a different game after HSN3." Also "plenty of powerful, new, intelligent combos." Sounds like these duos thing.
The point is though that neither Svalarheima nor Varuna are in HSN3 for all we know. So the Orcs with Haris are for one of the sectorials in the book which are ASA, MO and NeoTerra. Of those 3 Orcs in NeoTerra seem to make the most sense and that is an interesting development imho.
I... just... huh? Ever since Govads were released I thought they'd make a better Haris link than Core link. Asawira I thought would have been perfect Haris candidates when they introduced the rule.
Now to pop down to the FLGS to see if they have that Govad box still.
I like that they are adding more Haris and Duo links to make armies more order efficient. Cheerleading is a popular tactic, and very valid in vanilla, but in a sectorial I feel it shouldn't be needed. Adding more different types of links to more varied units makes it less necessary in a sectorial, which I like.
edit - Am I the only one who noticed how badly BoW handle miniatures? In the first video the straight up dropped the model with Bostria saying 'Angel is going to kill you'. Jokingly obviously. In this one the other BoW guy starts moving the Rodoks and Umbra about and Bostra calmly asks him to not touch them, they're Angels, so he stops. For like a minute. Then he's back fumbling with them, sliding them into each other when he's moving them about the table.
Reminds me of that guy that always comes up to you in the FLGS to pick your models up and have a look despite how many times you ask them not to.
edit - Am I the only one who noticed how badly BoW handle miniatures? In the first video the straight up dropped the model with Bostria saying 'Angel is going to kill you'. Jokingly obviously. In this one the other BoW guy starts moving the Rodoks and Umbra about and Bostra calmly asks him to not touch them, they're Angels, so he stops. For like a minute. Then he's back fumbling with them, sliding them into each other when he's moving them about the table.
Reminds me of that guy that always comes up to you in the FLGS to pick your models up and have a look despite how many times you ask them not to.
lol, noticed that too, drove me nuts. I tend to be pretty easy-going about people picking up my minis, but if someone says "no", that's the law. Back off.
I was also happy that Bostria brought a translator. Love the accent, but sometimes I have to repeat bits three times to understand what he's saying.
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Thanks 'trees.
Harith or Haris is a common Arabic name (Arabic: حارس و حارث ), Harith meaning "the lion which digs the earth" and Haris meaning "guardian or guard"
I like the Holo2 changes. They aren't huge, technically folks can still jump the gun and have a 2-in-3 chance of eating a normal roll, but in general they wont risk that outside of a few edge cases. So this means they are either eating a -3 to hit or they are giving you free reign on the next action. That is a powerful tool and the exact kind of thing that creates work-compression situations for the enemy to untangle. The simple act of spending a short skill precipitates in to the enemy's choice of reactions and forces them to make a really damn hard decision. Guess and risk a fate worse than death (normal roll in the face of the enemy), or wait and suffer a penalty or not react at all. The latter is deadly against CQB troops, but if you decide to bite the bullet then 2-in-3 times you will be firing at air while they open up on you without fear.
But the best part? Make sure you hide with your last action and it costs you nothing to go back in to holo mode. This makes Holo2 very order efficient compared to camo. It misses out on the constant baseline debuff, but basically allows you to always have a cheap way of bringing the tokens back to begin the whole guessing game anew.
Oh wow Holo 2 can stack with Holo 1? Could it always do that? So you can have a Holo 2 model use Holo 1 to look like another model, then use Holo 2 to spawn 2 of that faked model. Requires a lot of repeated models but that's mean.
