I'm not sure where to ask this (don't want to make a new thread), but is anyone else having trouble with the infinity website and forums for the past few days?

Both on my phone and on my desktop I get this:
http://puu.sh/pahF8/73c325ce9a.jpg
And if I try to visit the forums, it makes me enter a captcha first.. Anybody else or just me?

Sorry if this is too off-topic, it just didn't seem deserving of its own thread anywhere hehe...

number9dream wrote:
I'm not sure where to ask this (don't want to make a new thread), but is anyone else having trouble with the infinity website and forums for the past few days?

Both on my phone and on my desktop I get this:
http://puu.sh/pahF8/73c325ce9a.jpg
And if I try to visit the forums, it makes me enter a captcha first.. Anybody else or just me?

Sorry if this is too off-topic, it just didn't seem deserving of its own thread anywhere hehe...

It's fine on my IPad, both the website and the forum.

This months releases and the Kosuil from FB:

Wow, she actually has all of the options modeled.

That's flabberghasting.

Nice choice of words, lol...

It's great looking mini.

@Imageek, thanks. More on topic, those are quite cool looking...

EDIT: Guess I found out why I can't view it - they've been having trouble with spam bots originating in Korea, so seems like they might have limited access to korean ISPs or something... :(

TFW you need to take the armoury but you also heard the ice cream van.

Ice cream/ When did vegetables eat dairy?

number9dream wrote:
I'm not sure where to ask this (don't want to make a new thread), but is anyone else having trouble with the infinity website and forums for the past few days?

Both on my phone and on my desktop I get this:
http://puu.sh/pahF8/73c325ce9a.jpg
And if I try to visit the forums, it makes me enter a captcha first.. Anybody else or just me?

Sorry if this is too off-topic, it just didn't seem deserving of its own thread anywhere hehe...

Clear your browser cache and cookies, then try again. If that doesn't work, just wait a few hours. Also, stop using Internet Explorer (joking...)


Not a fan of the kosuil. Too busy. Or the photos are overlit. No problem. Not going to play Tohaa anyway.

Bagh Mari win the month. And we only got the 4 releases too, but I guess the Onxy box makes five.

Ah, I know what that Bashi Bazouk reminds me of. The concept art Moebius drew of a Space Pirate for the Dune Movie Jodorowsky was to make...

 Red Harvest wrote:
The concept art Moebius drew of a Space Pirate for the Dune Movie Jodorowsky was to make...

I find Haqq to be very Dune inspired faction.

You get some really, really odd stuff if you type 'Moebius Dune Space Pirate' into Google. I'm guessing none of the ones there that you are referring to Red Harvest!

This one

Yes, you will get very odd stuff when you use Moebius as a keyword in any search.

The silk must flow...

...that guy looks like a cross between a moth and a samurai, and he's wearing a codpiece.
I kind of like it.

So, I guess visors up is the new thing, huh?

Personally, I like it. I wouldn't like it to be overused, but in small doses, it helps keep a range looking varied and dynamic.

Plus, it looks technically impressive, from a sculpting point of view. Not sure if it is or not, but it's certainly flashy.

It is impressive enouph, but also gives some in depth fluff knowledge on how systems work.

Visor up is a nice design allowing real vision without sacrificing much of helmet protection.

While their face sculpting has come on leaps and bounds since the first few (see original PanO starter models /shudder), I prefer the helmets down.

I also prefer fully enclosed helmet models.

It's possibly just a mild touch of OCD but it's the inconsistency that annoys me. There's just no reason for that one guy to have his visor up when every single other Bagh Mari doesn't (I can just about accept Rao's lack of helmet).

This sort of thing is probably best saved for the bootleg models (if they ever do more).

In case anyone from CB is scouring the Internet for feedback I would like to vote against limiting minor equipment variations to bootleg models...

I don't mind the faceplates being up, I think they just picked the wrong mini to do it on.

I could see it more on a Hacker or Doc. Insinuating they just need to have their actual eyes on something rather than their, what I assume would be a HUD.

 plastictrees wrote:
In case anyone from CB is scouring the Internet for feedback I would like to vote against limiting minor equipment variations to bootleg models...

You don't have to worry about that, apparently Bootlegs weren't a success. They've done a very minor few since the initial Bootleg release, but the idea seems to be DOA.

Shame, because if they hadn't picked the crummy "Pin-Up Poster Gurls Gallery" for the initial run that they did the line probably could have been well-received. Some of the ideas they had for the second set of Bootlegs(A battle-damaged Knight with a standard, an Intruder done up ala Scarface in a battle scene with the Intruder knifing a sentry, an Imperial Agent harassing some citizens, minor stuff like that) were just plain awesome.

I recall the Haqqi Hassassin Old Man of the Mountain being rumored as a Bootleg model at one point. Pity that.

Also rather surprising that the RPG civvies aren't Bootleg. They have less in-game uses than even the TAG pilots.

You need HVTs for every ITS game, which the civilians are perfect for.

Pity about the bootlegs. I wonder what their expectations were, they were always going to be very niche.

 Riquende wrote:
It's possibly just a mild touch of OCD but it's the inconsistency that annoys me. There's just no reason for that one guy to have his visor up when every single other Bagh Mari doesn't (I can just about accept Rao's lack of helmet).

This sort of thing is probably best saved for the bootleg models (if they ever do more).

It's not like they can only have their visor up or down, they can all raise and lower them as they want. There's lots of reasons why one might want to raise their visor.

However there will be no effect in game play.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
In case anyone from CB is scouring the Internet for feedback I would like to vote against limiting minor equipment variations to bootleg models...

You don't have to worry about that, apparently Bootlegs weren't a success. They've done a very minor few since the initial Bootleg release, but the idea seems to be DOA.

Shame, because if they hadn't picked the crummy "Pin-Up Poster Gurls Gallery" for the initial run that they did the line probably could have been well-received. Some of the ideas they had for the second set of Bootlegs(A battle-damaged Knight with a standard, an Intruder done up ala Scarface in a battle scene with the Intruder knifing a sentry, an Imperial Agent harassing some citizens, minor stuff like that) were just plain awesome.

What a shame - any of those last ones would have been awesome !

It sucks that it wasn't done because the crummy first wave sucked; but I'd rather they axe the line before the cool stuff instead of pumping out more in the same vein.

One of the female Mobile Brigadas had her visor up, too.

I'd forgotten about it until someone reminded me, but I liked it then, too.

One of the Naffatuns is lifting her visor as well.

I like it. They are using the increased size to add some more character to each model in the boxed sets, while still keeping to 2 bodies per set.
Comparing the Naffatun (with much less weapon variety) to the Sekban or Kaplan sets for instance; the Naffatun are a lot more distinct model to model. You can barely tell any of the Kaplan apart at table top distance.

Got any source about the bootleg, or you go simply by your opinion made law again?

 ImAGeek wrote:


It's not like they can only have their visor up or down, they can all raise and lower them as they want

Meh, not in my army. I'll be buying the box, but I won't be using that model. No doubt someone will take him on the swapshop, eBay, or wherever. Shame there are so few PanO players in my group (and none that collect Shock Army).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
In case anyone from CB is scouring the Internet for feedback I would like to vote against limiting minor equipment variations to bootleg models...

You don't have to worry about that, apparently Bootlegs weren't a success. They've done a very minor few since the initial Bootleg release, but the idea seems to be DOA.

Shame, because if they hadn't picked the crummy "Pin-Up Poster Gurls Gallery" for the initial run that they did the line probably could have been well-received. Some of the ideas they had for the second set of Bootlegs(A battle-damaged Knight with a standard, an Intruder done up ala Scarface in a battle scene with the Intruder knifing a sentry, an Imperial Agent harassing some citizens, minor stuff like that) were just plain awesome.

i don't understand what you have against pin-ups, Kan...
i think they are awesome models
they are definitely something that caters to the display painter, which is nice for me...

the rest of the ideas you listed do sound awesome!!!
too bad they are going to axe the line before we get more :(
the Scarface diorama is marked as discontinued in the online stores...
was there an announcement made about killing the Bootleg range???
i wasn't aware that they where going away until last week, when i randomly noticed it on a few of the web stores...

the Scarface dio is one of the coolest little scenes...
i am very impressed with the design and casting of the parts...
i'm glad i got one before they go away...

i grabbed the HVT Dragon Lady and Cossack Colonel on Sunday...
Dragon Lady is a lovely cast, with her parasol and pig...
the pig is tiny, though!!!
Cossack Colonel looks really good, and his doggie is big...
i'm going to have to cut the hand off of the leash, though, and resculpt the loose end...
there is just no way that i am leaving the cigar arm off of this guy...
it lends him so much character...

all in all, i am a huge fan of the Bootlegs, and HVT's...
very fun sculpts for the non-playing painter

cheers
jah

Sigh.

Ok seriously have you heard any official info of axing the bootleg line? no, you have not.

 Absolutionis wrote:
I recall the Haqqi Hassassin Old Man of the Mountain being rumored as a Bootleg model at one point. Pity that.

Also rather surprising that the RPG civvies aren't Bootleg. They have less in-game uses than even the TAG pilots.

Old Man of the Mountain is an AI*. Kind of hard to make a mini of that.

The civvies have plenty of in-game use, since HVTs are an integral part of the scenarios now. The rescue scenario in HS requires 4 of them.

(*Pure speculation of course, but I'm not the only one who has speculated thusly.)

I think the Bootlegs were a mixed success. Mag guard pilot and the O-12 comissioner seemed popular enough. Bootleg Penthesilea is a nicer mini than the regular one (My Opinion™) and seems popular-- but could be because it was a GenCon mini. The others, which were not readily playable, I don't think did so well. Because they were not, well, readily playable. ( Never saw the Lizard Squadron Pilot on a table.) Nice for the painters though, which was their target market anyway.

The Dire Foes boxes did very well, from what I hear. I expect that CB will release a few more to cover some of the other sectorials, like ASA, Onyx, USAriadna, &c... Maybe for this year's GenCon. Any rumors on what it will be? Seems like an announcement should be coming soon. GenCon is 4-7 August this year.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Sigh.

Ok seriously have you heard any official info of axing the bootleg line? no, you have not.

I don't need to "have heard any official info", Psy.

Have they continued any Bootlegs? Have YOU seen any?
Do you have ANY evidence to prove me wrong?

Of course you don't. And just like any number of things regarding Infinity, they talk about these things in random places such as the Spanish forums, podcasts, seminars, etc etc. Look around. It was mentioned at an event last year.

The bootlegs were never planned to be a steady, for example a once per year release, but a creative output for the sculptors and design team when there is time, at the moment as you realize there is an update of sculpts phase.

The last one was the O-12 high Commissioner and if more come they could be as sporadic as he was.

Edit I have to add that without knowing sales data, your statements are just speculations, maybe biased by your opinions too.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Sigh.

Ok seriously have you heard any official info of axing the bootleg line? no, you have not.

was that in reference to my post???
i was just asking if there has been any announcement, because i was surprised to see the Scarface Bootleg marked as discontinued...
i'm trying to get to the source, not spread misinformation or anything, as well as giving people who may have been on the fence about buying him the heads-up that he may not be around much longer...
would be good to know for sure...

cheers
jah

I was not referring you, were did you see Scarface as discontinued?

both The Warstore and Fantization have Bootleg Scarface marked as discontinued...
looking at the cast, i am of the opinion that it may be a mold killer, like my Inquisitor 54mm Vindicare Assassin...

it is an amazing sculpt, though...
they did a great job on the cuts for molding, and the interior looks really good...
the only other sculpt i have that has a similar design is the con-exclusive Khador Bomardier Bombshell, and she is a hot mess...
Scarface blows her out of the water for clean design...

cheers
jah

Hey jah-joshua, do you play Infinity or just paint? If I recall correctly you sell painted minis too?

Sorry for going off topic, it gets a little tense here at times and you genuinely seem to enjoy the models, which is the same reason I started buying Infinity models. Right now I don't think there's anyone else hitting their level of skill when it comes to sci-fi minis.

On topic: I like raised visors, or anything that lets the sculptors stretch their creativity. They've got the talent, let 'em flaunt it.

i just paint
i love the Infinity minis!!!
unfortunately, i don't get hired to paint enough of them...
my personal collection of unpainted Infinity minis is pretty big, and definitely needs some love...
they've done 2nd editions of TAG's before i have had a chance to paint the originals :(

i really like the setting, too...
the art in the 1st edition rulebook, and the first Squalo sculpt had me immediately, 10 years ago, and they just keep getting better...

cheers
jah

 Absolutionis wrote:
I recall the Haqqi Hassassin Old Man of the Mountain being rumored as a Bootleg model at one point. Pity that.

Also rather surprising that the RPG civvies aren't Bootleg. They have less in-game uses than even the TAG pilots.

You use a civvie every single game. It's a HVT. You use a TAG pilot when you use a TAG and it dies. I fail to see how TAG pilots get more table time than a HVT.

Sure, you're not specifically doing anything with the HVT, but if you paint one up nice it gets displayed every game for all to see.

There's been no announcement from CB to the public or to retailers about any of the Bootleg range being discontinued. In particular, Bootleg Scarface is still on the CB order form.

That Bootleg O-Yoroi, though... That one was fantastic.

And that amazing conversion Angel made with it for his book!

 jah-joshua wrote:
both The Warstore and Fantization have Bootleg Scarface marked as discontinued...

There is no announcement about that, I am unsure on why they list is as such.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
both The Warstore and Fantization have Bootleg Scarface marked as discontinued...

There is no announcement about that, I am unsure on why they list is as such.

Gee, why would basically the biggest Infinity distributor in the US list something as "Discontinued by the Manufacturer"?

Hrmmmmh...

CB has been good about explicitly stating when other products have been discontinued so I'm not sure what you're implying.

Henshini wrote:
CB has been good about explicitly stating when other products have been discontinued so I'm not sure what you're implying.

I'm not "implying" anything other than PsychoticStorm isn't as well-tapped in as he likes to think he is.

Additionally, they've been on the backslide when it comes to communicating things like that.

Hey hey, I can be a dick on the internet too; the warstore shows bootleg Scarface being in stock and not discontinued plus a well known UK store owner says it's on his purchase list!

On the other hand, Fantization has it listed as discontinued.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Henshini wrote:
CB has been good about explicitly stating when other products have been discontinued so I'm not sure what you're implying.

I'm not "implying" anything other than PsychoticStorm isn't as well-tapped in as he likes to think he is.

Additionally, they've been on the backslide when it comes to communicating things like that.

I was under the impression that he wasn't well "tapped in" and just wanted to dispute everything you said.... ever...... for no reason.

I still love you though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Henshini wrote:
CB has been good about explicitly stating when other products have been discontinued so I'm not sure what you're implying.

Additionally, they've been on the backslide when it comes to communicating things like that.

CB list all newly discontinued items in the monthly emails to retailers. Bootleg items have never been listed, and are still available from CB.

glad the Warstore no longer has Scarface marked as discontinued...
i'll get on Steve at Fantization to change his listing...

sorry to have caused so much controversy...
i was just surprised to see it two weeks ago, when i was planning my purchases for the Con that we had last weekend...
i was wondering why it would be going away without an announcement...
glad it was just a mistake...

i'm happy that it got me off of the fence, though, and finally motivated me to buy Bootleg Scarface...
such an awesome little diorama...
his TAG may be down, but Joe can still beat alien face!!!

i am really happy with all of the Bootleg minis...
i like a bit of cheesecake, and really enjoy a model that is perfect for display purposes...
that said, i think that the action diorama angle is really cool, and i hope that CB will add more to the range...
the girls are great, but i want more little battle scenes...
do it CB!!!

cheers
jah

Anyone know when Black Friars are supposed to hit the market?

Nope. As it stands, they're not in the predicted release schedule.

There's not been a hint of a release date or any sign of a render yet, so they could be any time in the next couple of years.

Somewhere, way back there, Alpharius asked what Game Nerdz price would be for the Onyx Contact Force....

http://www.gamenerdz.com/infinity-combined-army-first-contact-onyx-force-300-point-army-pack-preorder

$69.97

WOW!

That's a great price!

Mayacast wrote: Uhlan/Tikbalang

Wu Mings

Foxtrot Ranger

Kaaurii Sentinels Combi rifle a bording shotgun

Achilles V2 regular release

This is for June.

Angel has a "preview" of the Uhlan on his Instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/BGbIvOGiJsx/?taken-by=angel_giraldez... well, part of that ridiculous pile of tactical junk anyway :S

i love the ridiculous pile of tactical junk
decorated bases are the bomb, providing a setting for the miniature...
i see people using clear acrylic bases, and die a little inside

can't wait to see what the Uhlan is going to look like after Angel's magic touch...
i have been very impressed with the almost all of the TAGs so far...
they are a painter's dream, if you like stompy robots...
the original Squalo was the mini that sold me on Infinity, back when it was a new release...
i've bought nearly every TAG since then, but, sadly, they are all waiting for a place in the queue, five or ten years later :(

cheers
jah

Really happy that the Tik and Uhlan are in the same box. Also I'm going to have to do camo on the Uhlan, I just have to.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Really happy that the Tik and Uhlan are in the same box. Also I'm going to have to do camo on the Uhlan, I just have to.

Not happy that Tik and Uhlan are in the same box; or that they don't have parts enough to build duplicates of either.

Them being in the same box is great for vanilla players; not great for Sectorial.

Even as generic player, I'd have no problem with buying both of them individually. Buying only a model I want and all that.

They are too big for a blister too small to be in a box alone generally not many people will field two of them in a list.

Sometimes there is no other solution.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are too big for a blister too small to be in a box alone generally not many people will field two of them in a list.

Sometimes there is no other solution.

Sure there is.

Don't put stuff in double boxes if they don't go together.
Simple!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are too big for a blister too small to be in a box alone generally not many people will field two of them in a list.

Sometimes there is no other solution.

Sure there is.

Don't put stuff in double boxes if they don't go together.
Simple!

Yeah it might sound crazy but they could put just one TAG in one box and the other TAG in an other Box. Otherwise you basically get one TAG for the price of two...

But well, thanks to that my motivation to buy and play TAGs in general is still at about 0.05 on a scale from 0 to 10

 Kanluwen wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are too big for a blister too small to be in a box alone generally not many people will field two of them in a list.

Sometimes there is no other solution.

Sure there is.

Don't put stuff in double boxes if they don't go together.
Simple!

I gather you have some issues reading stuff you do not want to read?

 jah-joshua wrote:
i love the ridiculous pile of tactical junk
decorated bases are the bomb, providing a setting for the miniature...
i see people using clear acrylic bases, and die a little inside

can't wait to see what the Uhlan is going to look like after Angel's magic touch...
i have been very impressed with the almost all of the TAGs so far...
they are a painter's dream, if you like stompy robots...
the original Squalo was the mini that sold me on Infinity, back when it was a new release...
i've bought nearly every TAG since then, but, sadly, they are all waiting for a place in the queue, five or ten years later :(

cheers
jah

De gustibus non est disputandum. I think the stuff detracts from the mini, and prefer minimal base decoration. It should be up to the painter to decide on the presentation of the mini. A busy base is a bad thing™.

I expect that Angel will do a masterful job on both TAGs. If the tactical garbage is optional then I'll get the TAGs, but if it is integrated into the mini, no sale here.

We'll see that Uhlan soon enough, possibly Monday or Tuesday. the TAG team is really the only release this month that interests me. (Yes, I know, it's not always about me.) Although I am curious about the Foxtrot Ranger. Chick Lean still, or will that have changed?

Anyone have news about something Bostria said about ASA getting much love? We've seen the Bagh Mari, and now the Tikbalang... what next? Montesa? Regulars (Hurley at last?)

Fat regular before fat yuan yuan? The scandal!

If some users could tone the snark riiiiiiiight down that'd be fantastic. Thanks

So it looks like the worldwide online campaign is now over?

Anyone know what the results of the whole Operation Flamestrike were?

 Alpharius wrote:
So it looks like the worldwide online campaign is now over?

Anyone know what the results of the whole Operation Flamestrike were?

Speaking of:

Yeah, I saw that - but I'm pretty much YouTube blocked at work, so I was hoping for a text summary of the results, along with the fluff/background changes and any faction buffs etc. etc. !

 jah-joshua wrote:
i love the ridiculous pile of tactical junk
decorated bases are the bomb, providing a setting for the miniature...
i see people using clear acrylic bases, and die a little inside

The "setting for the miniature" is the entire battlefield, and all of his allies and enemies. Having my Guijia dragging half a Seraph across the battlefield in the middle of a firefight with Nomads just looks silly.

Perhaps all this stuff is good for display pieces, but that's what the Bootleg line is for, IMO; the regular line are gaming pieces first.

Griping about double boxes shows a remarkable detachment from reality. In the same way that yes, you can get a starter pack even if you aren't going to use all the minis.

Why?

Infinity has like, a billion SKUs. Likely more right now than any other comparable 1st rate minis wargame, save MAYBE 40k (which mind you, has other advantages in being easy to stock and buyback programs).

You need to keep SKUs under control for many reasons in the overall distribution chain.

That's why we're going to see a lot more new starter boxes with entirely unique units that aren't getting seperate releases. It's a much more efficient way to get those out, than splitting say, the PanO box into the box, a 3x fusilier blister, an orc blister, an akal blister and a nisse blister.

It's also why linkable troops have been dropping in those 4-packs.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
i love the ridiculous pile of tactical junk
decorated bases are the bomb, providing a setting for the miniature...
i see people using clear acrylic bases, and die a little inside

The "setting for the miniature" is the entire battlefield, and all of his allies and enemies. Having my Guijia dragging half a Seraph across the battlefield in the middle of a firefight with Nomads just looks silly.

Perhaps all this stuff is good for display pieces, but that's what the Bootleg line is for, IMO; the regular line are gaming pieces first.

the setting of the miniature is it's base, for me, because i don't play...
i do try to do a good job making my bases create a mood, and not be too busy...
if decorated bases aren't your thing, that's cool...
unfortunately, it appears that CB feel differently than you do...

that is hardly half a Seraph on the Guijia's base
besides, you can always choose not to use the detritus...
i do like that it leads to some dynamic posing, myself...

any model is a potential display piece, if that is what one is in the hobby for
Infinity sculpts certainly inspire quality paint jobs!!!
i'm sure the Uhlan will be no different...

cheers
jah

 Killionaire wrote:
Griping about double boxes shows a remarkable detachment from reality. In the same way that yes, you can get a starter pack even if you aren't going to use all the minis.

You know what else shows a "remarkable detachment from reality"?

Comparing someone "griping about double boxes" when it is two of the most desired TAGs for the PanOceanian faction, in entirely different Sectorials with no shared parts beyond the chassis, with "gettting a starter pack even if you aren't going to use all the minis".

A starter pack is that: A starter pack.
This is two entirely different Sectorials' TAGs being jammed into a double box. This isn't like the Gecko, which was somewhat palatable because hey it's a Gecko Squadron box. It was irritating that they didn't include parts to double up on weapons but...

Why?

Infinity has like, a billion SKUs. Likely more right now than any other comparable 1st rate minis wargame, save MAYBE 40k (which mind you, has other advantages in being easy to stock and buyback programs).
You need to keep SKUs under control for many reasons in the overall distribution chain.

All of that is absolute bunk. It has been proven bunk repeatedly

If they were serious about cutting down on SKUs, they would start investing in multiparting out the boxes. But they won't, because people are for whatever stupid reason happy with the status quo and think that multiparting is going to break the bank for CB.

That's why we're going to see a lot more new starter boxes with entirely unique units that aren't getting seperate releases. It's a much more efficient way to get those out, than splitting say, the PanO box into the box, a 3x fusilier blister, an orc blister, an akal blister and a nisse blister.

Um, no. That's the way it literally has always been:
Starter box gets released, has "exclusive" sculpts. Most of the components would get parted out later, but there'd still be something left JUST in the box(Chasseur to use the most pertinent and awful example. That is a model that SK refuses to split box, as the rest of the box just rots).

And for the record? They were perfectly happy back in the day to release the PanO box, a 3x Fusilier blister, an ORC blister, etc.

It's also why linkable troops have been dropping in those 4-packs.

Yeeeahh...no. Linkable troops have been dropping in 4 packs because they are refusing to do blisters for many things these days. They'd rather pull an old school GW and release a box then make people convert the stuff than release the models.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeahh...no. Linkable troops have been dropping in 4 packs because they are refusing to do blisters for many things these days. They'd rather pull an old school GW and release a box then make people convert the stuff than release the models.

So that's why blisters keep releasing every month, because they refuse to do them for anything. It all makes sense!

It's worth trying to make your statement make sense sometimes.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeahh...no. Linkable troops have been dropping in 4 packs because they are refusing to do blisters for many things these days. They'd rather pull an old school GW and release a box then make people convert the stuff than release the models.

So that's why blisters keep releasing every month, because they refuse to do them for anything. It all makes sense!

It's worth trying to make your statement make sense sometimes.

Because "refusing to do blisters for many things" equates to "they refuse to do blisters period", right?

If you want a run a link team of Bolts you need Bolt SWC box and NCA starter box. They did put blisters for a limited time, same with Santiagos.

I am not and will not be fan of this practice. It's for CB benefit only.

Kan... CB will do things the way they feel is best for the company not the things you feel is best for yourself, incidentally the things you feel are best for yourself most of the time would be disastrous for the company and the consumer.

Like it or hate it there are stuff that are not possible and most of your demands could be equated in "why CB does not make boring, blunt, undynamic, poseable, multipart models like GW" and "why dont they create a gazillion sku that are a logistics nightmare so I can cherry pick what model I will buy, if I ever buy it"

In any case to say it again to you both mini TAGs are too big to be in a blister release and too small to be a in a box alone and frankly very few would buy a box of two Ulhans or two Tikbalangs, making a box of each is a really logical choice.

If all we are griping about is how CB box their minis it shows what an awesome game Infinity is. Check out the 40k general forum...

As an NCA player who only has access to the Uhlan I've got no problem with paying for the Tikbalang as well, as it gives me the option for taking it in vanilla or Acontecimento if I want to try out new things. Having said that I also bought the Jotum purely out of awesomeness but have only ever used it once, so maybe I'm a TAG head.

Honestly, I fully expect to see eBay and the infinity trader FB groups inundated with Uhlans and Tikbalangs in the very near future, as those people who bought the box without a desire to branch out, sectorially speaking, or without a local friend to go halves with unload their extras.

While it'll probably lead to increased spend on CB, I get the feeling it would have been better for the company to package them individually.

Incidentally, the argument that they're too small to box individually is utter bunk; CB boxed the Penny bootleg on her own and she is S4. It might have been slightly more expensive for them to do it, but since Geckos are ~£35 and Penny is ~£12, they could easily have priced them at ~£18-20 individually.
(not that it really matters to me, I'll be buying, painting and playing with both)

I care how I spend my money and what I gain for it. The costs that a company has with making a product aren't my problems.

If all we are griping about is how CB box their minis it shows what an awesome game Infinity is.

Most relevant or potentially interesting discussions die or go on pointless infinite loop. Game/community (-ties) used to be really well and fun.

So, was Operation Flamestrike not as big a thing as we thought it was going to be?

I haven't seen much on it at all, especially now that it is all over?

I don't think the Uhlan + Tikbalang is a sensible pairing for a box set, but...

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why?

Infinity has like, a billion SKUs. Likely more right now than any other comparable 1st rate minis wargame, save MAYBE 40k (which mind you, has other advantages in being easy to stock and buyback programs).
You need to keep SKUs under control for many reasons in the overall distribution chain.

All of that is absolute bunk. It has been proven bunk repeatedly

At least go and speak to some retailers before saying stuff like this.

 IJW wrote:
I don't think the Uhlan + Tikbalang is a sensible pairing for a box set, but...

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why?

Infinity has like, a billion SKUs. Likely more right now than any other comparable 1st rate minis wargame, save MAYBE 40k (which mind you, has other advantages in being easy to stock and buyback programs).
You need to keep SKUs under control for many reasons in the overall distribution chain.

All of that is absolute bunk. It has been proven bunk repeatedly

At least go and speak to some retailers before saying stuff like this.

I have. And unlike you, they didn't seem to have any issues with the SKUs.
What they had issues with was there not being any reliable way for retailers here in the US to get a "list of suggested products" from CB themselves until relatively recently.

 Alpharius wrote:
So, was Operation Flamestrike not as big a thing as we thought it was going to be?

I haven't seen much on it at all, especially now that it is all over?

Whaaat, an international campaign amounts to nothing?

You were the chosen ones, CB!

Didn't the net campaign end just a few weeks ago? I imagine they have to sift through results and find a way to make it marketable before we hear back

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have. And unlike you, they didn't seem to have any issues with the SKUs.

It's possible that the US market is that drastically different to Europe, where I've chatted to retailers and distributors across multiple countries, but I know for certain that it's also a concern in the US trade: http://blackdiamondgames.blogspot.com/2014/02/miniature-sku-creep-tradecraft.html

 Kanluwen wrote:
What they had issues with was there not being any reliable way for retailers here in the US to get a "list of suggested products" from CB themselves until relatively recently.

They certainly had one 5-6 years ago that would be sent out to retailers that emailed them, but obviously things may have changed since then.


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 Alpharius wrote:
So, was Operation Flamestrike not as big a thing as we thought it was going to be?

I haven't seen much on it at all, especially now that it is all over?

There's been a fair amount of discussion on the CB forums, but I believe any substantial fluff references to it are slated for the next book.

BoW has had their bit on the Operation Flamestrike reults




and their 'AI Historians' adjusted roundup

 Killionaire wrote:
Griping about double boxes shows a remarkable detachment from reality. In the same way that yes, you can get a starter pack even if you aren't going to use all the minis.

Why?

The reality is that it is very simple to put extra bits enabling alternate loadouts in the box in the first place instead of having two models with two different loadouts and that the decision to do so is driven not from a quality perspective or production simplicity standpoint but rather profit driven. They *WANT* you to buy two boxes of two models to get the two loadouts you actually want (or two trade with others if you're lucky enough to find someone who wants the loadout you don't like). Companies have been putting alterate loadout bits in boxes for metal miniatures for decades without any issues. It's not a "remarkable detachment from reality" but rather simply looking at the issue from a consumer standpoint.

Could someone explain to me the reason why they couldn't be two boxes? Is there like a minimum volume you have to put in a box for it to be worth it? Because many infantry boxes probably have less metal in them than a single gecko-sized tag.

retailers dislike having to stock lots and lots of SKUs so infinity and other games that have lots of regular releases have to do things to keep the numbers down

retiring stuff is unpopular with players (unless a new sculpt replaces the old and even then it's potentially iffy) and infinity does so only rarely

the other alternative is to have boxes with multiple items in and it looks like this is what they've chosen here

(hoping reduced sales because a buyer won't want both will be outweighed by those who won't mind buying the unwanted one either to just have, trade with friends or even encourage the start of a new army)

Henshini - I'm not sure there is a good reason, beyond keeping the number of stock items down.

For some reason I assumed the PanO double TAG box would be two 'frames' in different poses with enough heads/accessories that I could build two Tiks, two Uhlans or one of each in either pose. After all, they're the same class of TAG, and share most of the same armour and weapon systems, beyond some minor cosmetic differences.

This way, ASA, NCA and Vanilla players would have no gripes with the box as AVA would be filled out any which way!

My assumption must have come from the fact that this is the most blindingly obvious way of doing it...

That's how I thought it would be done, but that was just a lot of forum wishlisting. Apparently the plan was always to do a box of one of each.

Henshini wrote:
Could someone explain to me the reason why they couldn't be two boxes? Is there like a minimum volume you have to put in a box for it to be worth it? Because many infantry boxes probably have less metal in them than a single gecko-sized tag.

Someone made a choice.

They took their best estimations, based on previous trends and sales information at how well TAGs sell and then compared it the the projected sales amounts they would make if they sold the TAGs in a) 1 double pack of one variant each, b) 2 double packs holding two models of the same variant, c) 1 double packs with alternate pieces to make each variant or d) 2 single packs with 1 variant per pack.

After consulting this cost modeling they decided to go with the 2 variants 1 box method as it would be cheaper and easier to produce (less costs in creating a new box size, only commissioning art for 1 box, simpler to order as there are less boxes/sku) and go with the expectation that people would communicate and trade models they didn't want etc rather than re-inventing the wheel of packaging or going for potentially reducing the visual impact of having two pretty sweet models by having them have to be modular.

I personally would have liked a bit of modularity as my preferred choice but can totally understand why they went the way they did.

Reducing SKU creep is probably at least part of the answer. While it's more convenient from the consumer viewpoint to be able to buy the exact single figures you want, bundling simplifies the inventory management at all levels (manufacturing, distributing, and stores). It basically halves the number of decisions that need to be made regarding how many products to produce or stock.

That's what everyone are saying. Final goal is profit for CB, we're of very little importance to them. The less they need to account for consumer's input/desire the better precedent they create for themselves for future releases.

 Knight wrote:
That's what everyone are saying. Final goal is profit for CB, we're of very little importance to them. The less they need to account for consumer's input/desire the better precedent they create for themselves for future releases.

What an incredibly petulant attitude.

Every single company/business makes decisions that are better for them than for the consumer. Of course the final goal is profit. That's how these people make their living after all.

Thing is, if it was possible to make 2 different poses of each model (and really we're talking 4 heads instead of two, a couple of different shoulderpads to account for the Feuerbach and maybe a different backpack each), then I'd have definitely have bought 2 boxes so that I could have full AVA in both sectorials.

As it is, I'll buy one and never consider a second.

It would also have near-guaranteed full box sales for people who play a single sectorial; as it is I assume Cho-Konnit is going to be quite busy splitting boxes for people, or ebay will be a rich hunting ground for a while after release.

It's hard to believe that CB has managed to botch the release of a model that people have literally been calling for for years.

What an outrage! You mean this box of REMs comes with two bodies, but only parts to make one of each type? Outrage! CB is after nothing but our money, and are worse than GW!

(...boxes that were released in 2006...)

Really now, this isn't any bloody different than say, Scylla+Draikos being a box set, or the existence of package sets.

Again also, if you play vanilla, which I do and many do, there's nothing wrong with a TAG 2-pack. Hell, should CA players complain that the Xeodron comes in a 2-pack, while they're AVA1 in Vanilla?
This sort of petulant grognardry is the worst of our otherwise fine community. Even if I didn't want one of the two TAGs, congrats. You have conversion bits to make unique poses.

Honestly, more bits do cost money. And more unified bits also reduces the diversity of sculpt. Having all the parts to make 2 distinct of each TAG means we're either really making a sort of 4-pack, or both TAGs have pretty much the same pose with random gak tacked on. I for one, would prefer spending a little more to have more interesting models, which is a major reason as to why Infinity has done well. I never want to see a modular 'YuJing HI kit that builds 4 different troop classes with 10 weapons' like a space marine set, ever.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Every single company/business makes decisions that are better for them than for the consumer. Of course the final goal is profit. That's how these people make their living after all.

Exactly. I'm not faulting them for doing them what they do.

 Knight wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Every single company/business makes decisions that are better for them than for the consumer. Of course the final goal is profit. That's how these people make their living after all.

Exactly. I'm not faulting them for doing them what they do.

Then you should improve your phrasing, because what you posted was exactly that.

Yeah I'm not really seeing the big problem here...

 -Loki- wrote:
Then you should improve your phrasing, because what you posted was exactly that.

Don't get mad over nothing. There's no conflict in what I said. There's a conflict between what I'd want and what they offer, but that's market.

PLEASE TAKE THIS TOPIC DOWN TO THE INFINITY SUB-FORUM.

MEANWHILE, BACK HERE IN THE 'INFINITY NEWS & RUMORS' THREAD...

Back on Topic: based on historical trends, we should start seeing the painted releases next week.

Logically yes, Angel has already teased with a few of his traditional teaser pics.

Edit

Todays Snipershot.

That looks like a really big gun in a Yu Jing hand.

Wu Ming?

Specifically Wu Ming with Light Shotgun and Panzerfaust.

You sure that's a Panzerfaust? The dossier says HRL and the model appears to have an LRL. I just noticed that the dossier shows a completely different weapon loadout from what actually comes with the minis. The LGL/MULTI rifle, HRL, and combi rifle are missing from the minis while the Chain Rifle and HMG were not shown in the dossier. The shotty also appears to be completely different, looking almost more like a Nomad one. Weird.

There's more weapon options than would fit on the dossier. The box is LSG and Panzerfaust, Boarding Shotgun, Chain Rifle and HMG. They don't have a LRL profile so it's definitely a panzer (similar to the Nomad Jaguar one).

Love the attention to the numbers.

Love 'em. Will get a box to go with my ISS starter and Kanren that I got recently.

I am a bit surprised they did not wrote the numbers on the oval shape on the helmet.

Well those are just absolutely fething awesome. Love the guy with his helmet removed!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am a bit surprised they did not wrote the numbers on the oval shape on the helmet.

What are those numbers in reference to?

The Wu Ming don't have names, they just have numbers.

Looking good.

More stuff to buy.

They do look good. I just noticed the Chain Rifle guy looks to have a gun mounted on his back. Presumably that's a smg. I hadn't noticed that detail before. It looks like Giraldez painted him with glowing eyes though, which is weird.

If they were so inclined, they could totally put out a second Wu Ming box. There's enough profiles left over for it. If they didn't want to double up the boarding shotgun sculpt, they could even throe in a Yu Jing Tinbot sculpt since the shotty sculpt uses one.

Wow... the no helmet one especially. Might just try to get that one separately to paint.

 Pacific wrote:
Well those are just absolutely fething awesome. Love the guy with his helmet removed!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am a bit surprised they did not wrote the numbers on the oval shape on the helmet.

What are those numbers in reference to?

For Yu Jing their name (and the ancestry tied to it) is very important, Wu Ming been criminals are stripped of their name and assigned a number, it is the ultimate insult and motivation for them to get their name back.

for those Wu Ming in particular, 4 is a really unlucky number in Asian cultures.

Price list from The Warstore. All prices are discounted:

Wu Mings are $36.99

Uhlan and Tikbalang are $52.99

Achilles V2 is $14.99

Kaauri Sentinels are $16.99

Foxtrot Ranger is $9.99

These items are up for preorder now.

Yep. Those are perfect. Can't wait to get them in my grubby little paws.

 Kanluwen wrote:
These items are up for preorder now.

No pictures, unfortunately. Bleh.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These items are up for preorder now.

No pictures, unfortunately. Bleh.

I said the same thing...lol
man, yu jing has always appealed to me but these updates are making it so difficult to resist...

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
These items are up for preorder now.

No pictures, unfortunately. Bleh.

Sadly, no pictures.

Warstore is getting to be Johnny on the Spot when it comes to posting up the preorders; as soon as they get the price lists they get listed.

First GenCon spoiler - looks like a new Yu Jing starter to me (Hsien in the middle, and ZuYong on the left).

Edit - and female Tiger Soldier on the right? So that would probably be Hsien, ZuYong, Tiger Soldier, 3xZhanshi.

Just to put this into context:

It looks like this is going to be part of the GenCon release; another Operation: Icestorm styled 2 player box. Angel Giraldez has scheduled two painting clinics for GenCon, one for Haqqislam and one for Yu Jing. In the past, his painting clinics have been done in such a way that it can be used as a kind of hint as to what is coming.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just to put this into context:

It looks like this is going to be part of the GenCon release; another Operation: Icestorm styled 2 player box. Angel Giraldez has scheduled two painting clinics for GenCon, one for Haqqislam and one for Yu Jing. In the past, his painting clinics have been done in such a way that it can be used as a kind of hint as to what is coming.

Cheers, should've added a bit more context really. I'll buy a YJ/Haqq 2 player box in a heartbeat.

I'd buy the Haqq part at least - maybe!

I'm sure I can find someone to split a box with, I'd guess.

Yu Jing seem fairly popular...

So, this Haqq/YJ pairing has been mentioned before as a possible starter set...

 Absolutionis wrote:
Of the factions that aren't Pano or Nomads, Yu Jing and Haqqislam are the most capable of having 'standard' infantry. It'd be brutal high-tech lovers of HI versus humanist medium-tech lovers of LI.

Plus, the story could be an ISS offensive against a QK silk caravan. Maybe even a JSA raid on a Caliphate biotech facility.

Haqqis get three Halqa (one doctor), a Djanbazan MI sniper, a minelayer with HFT, and a Asawira HI with a rifle. Teaches about doctors, mines, and MSV.

Yu Jing gets three vanilla LI (one sniper), a TO Ninja, a cheap TerraCotta-style cheap HI, and a fancy ARM4 HI Camo DaoFei. Teaches about TO and normal Camo.

"Advanced Missions" can then introduce rules of Mechanized Deployment, Impersonation, Martial Arts, and Hackers. Haqqi now get access to a special-sculpt Fiday Hacker and their Halqa can now MechDeploy. Yu Jing get access to their Ninja now being a Hacker and a special-sculpt Hsien with MSV.
Also now's a good time to explain intuitive attacks with templates and camo. Which MSV works against or doesn't work against what camo/mines/impersonation/whatevs.

The particulars will obviously be different, but this seems like a logical extension of and complement to the O:I QS rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just to put this into context:

It looks like this is going to be part of the GenCon release; another Operation: Icestorm styled 2 player box. Angel Giraldez has scheduled two painting clinics for GenCon, one for Haqqislam and one for Yu Jing. In the past, his painting clinics have been done in such a way that it can be used as a kind of hint as to what is coming.

Angel is also featuring these Yu Jing at least in his next painting book. Promised a step by step on his Guija.

It has yet to be confirmed though, a Haqq + YJ box? That could be an ISS army box promo we are seeing. I do hope so. I have no interest in YJ,even though some of the newer minis are fantastic. I would have a hard time convincing myself to get a Haqq + YJ box, unless the Haqq part is sufficiently different from the current one, and the box only mini is absolutely spectacular. Maybe find a YJ player and see about a split? The Haqq mini could be the GenCon special this year. ( like the Tabitha Cosplay Bolt, the Van Zant, etc)

Those Wu Ming are impressive. Shame the chainrifle and not the SMG is in his hand.

 Red Harvest wrote:
It has yet to be confirmed though, a Haqq + YJ box? That could be an ISS army box promo we are seeing. I do hope so. I have no interest in YJ,even though some of the newer minis are fantastic. I would have a hard time convincing myself to get a Haqq + YJ box, unless the Haqq part is sufficiently different from the current one, and the box only mini is absolutely spectacular. Maybe find a YJ player and see about a split? The Haqq mini could be the GenCon special this year. ( like the Tabitha Cosplay Bolt, the Van Zant, etc)

Those Wu Ming are impressive. Shame the chainrifle and not the SMG is in his hand.

The silhouettes aren't the models from the ISS starter, and the Zuyong and Tiger Soldier aren't ISS units and I'm 99% that's what the silhouettes are so I really don't think it's an ISS army box.

Red Harvest wrote:It has yet to be confirmed though, a Haqq + YJ box? That could be an ISS army box promo we are seeing. I do hope so. I have no interest in YJ,even though some of the newer minis are fantastic. I would have a hard time convincing myself to get a Haqq + YJ box, unless the Haqq part is sufficiently different from the current one, and the box only mini is absolutely spectacular. Maybe find a YJ player and see about a split?

That's a great idea...

Alpharius wrote:I'd buy the Haqq part at least - maybe!

I'm sure I can find someone to split a box with, I'd guess.

Yu Jing seem fairly popular...

...so, back of the line with ya!

Any chance the Haqq half of the box would be Al Medinat/Caliphate army? Any rumors to that effect out there?

Am I the only one hoping this is actually just a preview for a new vanilla starter for YJ and not a 2-player box? The Haqq stuff would just be too tempting to pass it up.

 Barzam wrote:
Am I the only one hoping this is actually just a preview for a new vanilla starter for YJ and not a 2-player box?

Yes?

I'm really hoping it is the long wished for Al Medinat stuff, but I know that's highly unlikely!

If a new 2 player starter follows Icestorms lead, it will just be 2 standard starters with a couple of extra miniatures anyway.

If they were paired with Haqqislam it would be the first 2 player starter in a long time my brother and I could split which would be nice.

 Barzam wrote:
Am I the only one hoping this is actually just a preview for a new vanilla starter for YJ and not a 2-player box? The Haqq stuff would just be too tempting to pass it up.

Probably, but if it is a 2 player box like Icestorm, it still means 2 new starters will come out separately like Icestorm.

Also, there will surely be people splitting the box.

Wait, woah, woah - where's this talk of a new starter set coming from? And what factions are being talked about?

 .Mikes. wrote:
Wait, woah, woah - where's this talk of a new starter set coming from? And what factions are being talked about?

Speculation for Yu Jing and Haqqislam based on CB starting Icestorm hype with similar silhouettes with flavour text, and Angel having two workshops scheduled at gencon - one for Yu Jing (who are in the currently shown image) and one for Haqqislam.

Ah right, thanks.


Oh....damn.... I have a softspot for Haqq.... this could result in my spending money.

My main opponent has been flirting with starting YJ and I can always add more Haqq to the pile! Color me interested!

To compare, these were the first teasers for Icestorm back before people even knew the name:

Released 2014 Jun3rd, June4th, June5th, and June 6th respectively:


Source: https://www.facebook.com/CorvusBelli/photos/a.143842608841.111783.70390538841/10152249197308842/?type=3&theater

Note the similar vague quote lacking context yet affiliated with a faction.

The new image has some fire. Perhaps it's now time for Operation: Firestorm?

Also the silhouettes of the two armies:


To compare, they released the USAriadna with these teasers on 2015 June 18th, June 22nd, June 25th, and June 29th.


Reveal was July 4th.

CB is probably going to be doing these summer big boxes yearly from now on with a bunch of previews. Considering they have silhouettes of a whole 6-squad of Yu Jing, I'd bet it's another 2-faction starter especially considering they just released a Onyx Contact Force one-faction big box.

 ImAGeek wrote:


First GenCon spoiler - looks like a new Yu Jing starter to me (Hsien in the middle, and ZuYong on the left).

Edit - and female Tiger Soldier on the right? So that would probably be Hsien, ZuYong, Tiger Soldier, 3xZhanshi.

I think it's rather a Shang Ji than a Hsien.

Yu Jing Starter
──────────────────────────────────────────────────
6
SHÀNG JÍ MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 40)
TIGER SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZÚYǑNG Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (2 | 36)

2 SWC | 136 Points

This would be my favourite composition

I'm steering towards ISS HI, myself. More specifically one of the two HI agents.

The outline of the figure looks like it's wearing a long coat possibly with the loincloth as well - the Shang Ji has neither of those, the coat seems to be exclusive to the ISS.

Options:

Crane - Just got a new one. Doubt that they're in a hurry to do a new one, just for the Multirifle.

Sun Tze - The current one is perfect, so no need for a redo.

Hsien - Long coat, needs a new model. We have a winner!

I'd say the Shang Ji is old enough to get a new Sculpt (maybe with additional nasty clothstraps) and he's part of the current Starter too.
Thus another Option would be BOTH are part of the new starter box.

Maybe something like this

Yu Jing Starter II
──────────────────────────────────────────────────
6
HSIEN HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 61)
SHÀNG JÍ Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 37)
TIGER SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)

2 SWC | 158 Points

Love the Stingray TAGs, and the Kaauri are pretty cool too. Not a fan of the Foxtrot really, and I already have Achilles.

These are the three that haven't been shown already.

Stingrays and Wu Ming win the cake for me. I don't care too much for the rest (they're well done, though), and the Foxtrot looks like she's doing anything but fire a shotgun in combat.

Am I the only one who likes her?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Am I the only one who likes her?

I'm sure there's people who'll like her, and well, at the very least you and CB like her already

As for me, I already have these:





which IMHO all are better. And as I have two of the first (present), I'd rather convert that one.

I don't overly like the new one, but I vastly prefer it to the old female one.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't overly like the new one, but I vastly prefer it to the old female one.

I dunno... bare midriff and all, she still looks like she's doing something sensible (that apparently being stepping out of the tarp).

She could certainly be a lot better, though. And so could the new one (and clothing is better already!).

 Albertorius wrote:
Stingrays and Wu Ming win the cake for me. I don't care too much for the rest (they're well done, though), and the Foxtrot looks like she's doing anything but fire a shotgun in combat.

If only she were some kind of scout/skirmisher...

The pose actually makes sense if you think of her not as firing in combat, but rather getting the drop on someone and covering them with the shotgun.

Let's put all the images of this month's bunch alltogether.


Foxtrot BS





Stingrays







Wu Ming






Achilles



Kaauri Sentinels

 Albertorius wrote:

Need to replace the radio with a sandwich.

Someone on one of the Facebook groups replaced it with a bottle, so it looks like he drinking a Coke.

@Kan, that's kind of what I was thinking about that pose.

It might be pretty easy to swap her gun out for a rifle also.

I wasn't a fan of the Ranger when I saw her render. Her proportions seemed off to me. Like her legs were too long or something. The final product looks much nicer to me now though. She's definitely growing on me.

I really like the Kaauri. I don't think their paintjob is quite up to Angel's standard, but I really like them. They definitely are not Tohaa. I'm very interested in seeing their fluff.

Tikbalang looks good, but I don't like the Uhlan's pose or tactical detritus. I would have preferred a more tactical pose, like aiming its gun over whatever the hell it's supposed to be doing.

The Uhlan is standing on tactical debris with an Uhlan logo on it. So tacticool.

Plus, it's a box of two? All that bitching and moaning by you all made me assume it would be a box with a single body and parts to build a Tikbalang or Uhlan. This is fine, and you whiners can just choke-on-it.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The Uhlan is standing on tactical debris with an Uhlan logo on it. So tacticool.

Plus, it's a box of two? All that bitching and moaning by you all made me assume it would be a box with a single body and parts to build a Tikbalang or Uhlan. This is fine, and you whiners can just choke-on-it.

The whining by most people, was because it's one of each and not 2 of the same.

One is for one sectorial and the other, a different sectorial. So if you play one and not the other, you're getting something you can't use.

Though, if you run the dreaded Vanilla army, you can indeed run both.

Love the Wu Ming (probably my fave of this month) and great now the best-named unit has a miniature in Infinity with the Tikbalang.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Stingrays and Wu Ming win the cake for me. I don't care too much for the rest (they're well done, though), and the Foxtrot looks like she's doing anything but fire a shotgun in combat.

If only she were some kind of scout/skirmisher...

The pose actually makes sense if you think of her not as firing in combat, but rather getting the drop on someone and covering them with the shotgun.

Actually, you can imagine her doing that and saying what you have listed as your location Kan

The base of the Tik shouldn't be too hard to clean up, thankfully.

However, I'm not looking forward to how much work is going to have to go into making an acceptable Uhlan.

It looks like the front foot could be pinned to the actual base, and the mini would appear to be steeping forward. Balancing it may be interesting. I think maybe the tactical rubble is a digital sculpting *crutch* because the sculptor has no way to tell if, or how well, a given one foot down pose will balance well in Real Life™. This was not a problem before. The few one foot down poses all have the up foot very close to the down leg (see the Druza hacker, for example)

This is a game about shooting, not taking prisoners, er, "getting the drop" on someone. It is a boring mini, that Foxtrot, visually. Something that afflicts many of the new USAriadna range. No matter, it appeals to some. And that is the point, to have a broad range to appeal to all the various tastes out there. Oddly, the posture reminds me a bit of Scylla, sort of like a mirror image...


I'd like to see the box contents on the Tikuhlans, to see how hard/easy it is to avoid those *base enhancements* before I commit to buying it. I'd rather switch poses for the two, TBH.

Nice minis for the most part. Really bright painting on those kaauri. I like it. The TAGs really are nice. The Wu Ming too.

Wow, those poses are near identical. I'm just going to take it that Scylla is just that foxtrot's Lhost after she's killed.

I'd even go out on a limb and say they reused the mannequin.

Might be interesting for some of you

Yyyyeeesssss. Bring on a Haqqislam vs Yu Jing starter.

Far left looks like a Khawarij. Second from the left and far right could be Ghulam. Middle oddly looks like an Odalisque. Second from the right, maybe a Hunzakut. Lacking a sixth model is strange.

But why only five dudes?

Yeah, like I said, strange. Maybe there's something they don't want to give the silhouette away for just yet? Five is odd because it doesn't match any packaging methods so far.

That is odd.

Could be a Touareg in hidden deployment

Could one of them be a Zhayedin? (Even though no concept art is currently know.)

It won't be an Odalisque. There is already one in the QK box. Maybe it is the Tuareg in the center. That would be cool. Khawarij on the far right, a ghulam 2nd from right. Far left is a ghulam, in the classic Ghulam infantry woman pose from the current starter. 2nd from left baffles me. I see no HI silhouette either. So we have 2 missing units*, or the ghulam represents all 3 in the box, in which case 2nd from right is HI. Doesn't look very Janissary though. The Ayyar?

Not a fan of the whole "avenging" thing though. Not professional at all. And more than a bit hokey.

GenCon is 4-7 August this year, so 40 days away. We'll get all the juicy details about this sooner, rather than later. GPre-order for Icestorm was 17 days in advance of GenCon. Pre-order for this ought to be about the same, so it'll start maybe 18 July?

*because there will be a 7th mini, the box only mini.

The YJ side showed all three Zhanshi though, so I dunno why they'd only show 2 to cover all the Ghulam. 2nd from the right isn't big enough to be a HI, looks more like a MI - Djanbazan?

Saw mentioned the middle could be a Tuareg. Doubt a Zhayedan will be in a generic starter. I'm expecting them as the infantry in the Al Medinat starter. I'm still going with a resculpt male Hunzakut.

Djanbazan sniper is in the QK box. I doubt there will be a Djanbazan in this box. The Khawarij was the MI equivalent in the first starter, the naffatun LFT in the second. I suspect the Khawarij is the the MI equivalent here again.

The Djanbazan need a resculpt, and it wouldn't surprise me if we got a resculpted Hassassin Bahram starter at some point, especially if they do redo the Djanbazan. Khawarij are LI anyway.

The 6th is clearly a Fiday stood amongst the Yu Jing crew in the previous image.

 Tristan228 wrote:
Might be interesting for some of you

So far right is definitely a Ghulam, the silouhette is pulled from a Ghulam character sheet.
Second from the left might be a Ghulam...would have to be given usual box set numbers, but the head size/shape makes me thing Hassassin.
Lots of flappy cloth with the other three. Far left would most likely be the Kawarijj, middle a Taureg and second from the right an Ayyar or Djan?

Excited either way. Do hope this a 'narrative' thing going on here and it actually has the usual six models though.
Someone on the official forum speculated that the "three dead" are the 3rd Ghulam, the box exclusive and the Ltd. Ed. mini. Which would run counter to the Ltd. Ed. mini as a ninja unless they have two Ltd. Ed. options....

Far left is definitely the Khawarij:

Nice! I'm still fighting through GIS of Haqqislam concept art.
Second from left nearly looks like the previous Barid concept but not quite. Thinking it would have to be a Ghulam as none of the Hassassin options that fit that shape really make sense in this set.

second from the left looks like a mirror swap of this Janissary

So it does! Pretty small though. The newest Jannisaries are huge.

It's not quite right IMO (angle dropped down between the shoulder pad and the neck, top of the head.
That's also just how their concept artist tends to draw guys with their weight rolled back over the hip. Yasbir and Barid concept art look very similar.


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Teaser seems to have a pouch on his hip a well, and, as said would be a bit wee for a current Janissary.

Far right is definitely a Ghulam. It's the art that was put out when the Ghulam SWC box came out.

I think you're right about the 'Jannisary'. It's subtly different and yeah too small. Damn, back to the drawing board then.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The Djanbazan need a resculpt, and it wouldn't surprise me if we got a resculpted Hassassin Bahram starter at some point, especially if they do redo the Djanbazan. Khawarij are LI anyway.

Which is why I used the term "MI equivalent". Not a whole lot of MI choices in Haqq. The MI in the Bahram box is the Lasiq. Djanbazan resculpts will be a box of 4 and 1 in a redone QK box ( IMHO)

My final guess: 3 Ghulam, 1 Janissary, 1 Khawarij and 1 Tuareg. (because it has a regular order, unlike the Hunzakut.) One of those silhouettes is the box only mini. Could be an ayyar-- doubtful-- or a zhayedin, or even a new profile ( the rumored numair?) We know CB is going to release an AP rifle Janissary, and not in a blister. It is in this box, or in the re-configured QK box.

Wouldn't be shocked to see an Ayyar as the box only Haqqislam sculpt. PanO got the new MO HI as their box only sculpt. Nomads got the new Bakunin MI.

They could do the sculpt Bostria mentioned firing both Viral Pistols, then the mass produced sculpt could have an actual weapon option in its hands.

 Barzam wrote:
Far right is definitely a Ghulam. It's the art that was put out when the Ghulam SWC box came out.

Bingo.


FUN FACT: When trying to look for the image, I did a Google Image Search for "Haqqislam Ghulam Art".
https://www.google.com/search?q=haqqislam+ghulam+art&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHvJqhhsfNAhWESCYKHffwAH4Q_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=775#imgrc=NMTy-WXE_NReLM%3A
I found this image. When I clicked on the image, it led me to my own post from two years ago.

Someone dug up another Ghulam dossier that matches the 2nd from the left, so it's definitely a Ghulam!

I'm guessing the missing silhouette is a third Ghulam due to not having dossier art to use. We know the Khawarij already. That leaves the middle and second from the right. I'm better on the Zhayedan being in the Al Medinat sectorial. Second from the right could be a Djanbazan if the middle is a Tuareg. Could also be an Ayyar, since they're 'light' powered armour. There's not much else it could be. 3 Ghulam, Ayyar/Djanbazan, Tuareg and Khawarij would be a pretty badass box.

It would be an awesome box.
I do very much want a regular Ap rifle Jann in the new style, but it would be a bit boring in this sort of release.

Their mention of "clever" retaliation would mention some infiltration/impersonation or other tricky trick the Haqq like.

Which would make sense if it included a Tuareg. Both a Tuareg for TO camo and an Ayyar for Holo 2 would be overkill for a faction that's not actually tricky.

 ImAGeek wrote:

I think the Teracotta Soldier (2nd from left) is pretty plausible

I think you nailed it there, Tristan. It would likely be a Boarding Shotgun profile though, since the Terracotta Soldiers have long been confirmed to be the "Cheerleaders" for the Invincible Army starter whenever we get it.

Nice catch.
So Terracotta, Hsien, Tiger and 3 grunts (forgot their names) seems likely.

I did say Terracotta soldier when I posted the picture

Given i just started painting an old Hsien, that's probably what it is in the middle there.

Same thing happened when I started painting the old ISS starter and the old Crane and the old Su-Jian

That is the traditional method to summon new sculpts.

Looking forward to more info. Operation Sandstorm seem to be the current favourite name. Personally I'm rooting for Killgun Skullstorm: The Bloodfury Chronicles, just to get them some crossover traffic from other game systems.

 plastictrees wrote:
That is the traditional method to summon new sculpts.

Looking forward to more info. Operation Sandstorm seem to be the current favourite name. Personally I'm rooting for Killgun Skullstorm: The Bloodfury Chronicles, just to get them some crossover traffic from other game systems.

Going full theme then:

Operation Firestorm - Tohaa vs. Ariadna
Operation Datastorm - Nomads vs. Aleph
Operation Saltstorm - Exrah vs. Shasvastii

I think you are missing at least one sort of *storm*

News? is this going to be Icestorm II: Storm Harder or will it be a different format? That is to say, will it be a few learning scenarios and some quick starter rules, like Icestorm, or something meatier? Another introductory box doesn't really intrigue me much. The text hints that Haqq has raided some Yu Jing Company that is getting up to some nastiness, and that Yu Jing is responding.

While it may be unlikely, I'm going to hope they are new starter boxes for a third Yu Jing and Haqq sectorial.

 The Infinite wrote:

Operation Saltstorm - Exrah vs. Shasvastii

Love it.

Cascading Caskudas, FTW!

Found the missing Haqqislam model.


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 Alpharius wrote:

 The Infinite wrote:

Operation Saltstorm - Exrah vs. Shasvastii

Love it.

Cascading Caskudas, FTW!

The difference is that Shasvastii didn't get squatted, just delayed.

Well. I guess that explains that. I'm even more excited now.

Interesting. Another seudo-TAG for Haqq. Not only that, but it's for the Al Fased (Fasid now, I guess). Here I thought CB had pretty much scrapped that unit. Looks like they had a complete revamp in mind like tgey did for the Azra'il. Looks like I'll have to figure out something to do with my old one and my conversions.

Very cool. Hopefully it's more than just weapons options that differentiate it from the Azrael.

It does look like that lump could be an ap rifle/Flamethrower/panzerfaust.

The spelling change is a bit odd. And suspicious. I'd hold off on thinking it is just the re-spelled Ahl Fassed for the moment. But there goes the Janissary theory I'd be surprised if they super-sized this like the Azra'il, but also intrigued.

Now for the box only mini...

Corvus Belli has messed up spelling before, so it absolutely is not suspicious.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Now for the box only mini...

I'm thinking this might be the box only mini. The starter image is missing a third Ghulam, unless we're getting the first generic starter with less than three line infantry,

The real question is....

Who's going to Gencon and how much do I have to bribe you?

 TalonZahn wrote:
The real question is....

Who's going to Gencon and how much do I have to bribe you?

Online purchasing has been a thing for quite a while.

You'll be able to order or pre-order this box from your usual source. However, the Gen-Con deal-- whatever it is this year-- with be available only at Gen-Con, or through CB.

An S5 Heavy Infantry in the box. Looks like it has the HMG, and something else attached. One silhouette seems to be unidentifiable, the 2nd from right.

Well, there's definitely something short and wide slung under the thinner twin barrels. The ammo feed is also thinner than the HMG ammo feed. Could be the Combi Rifle/Heavy Flamer Thrower/Panzerfaust profile with an all in one large gun?

Larger combi rifle (because the model itself is larger), heavy flamer under it (the middle barrel, maybe a pilot light), possibly with a panzerfaust slung at the bottom (the wider barrel)?

 -Loki- wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
The real question is....

Who's going to Gencon and how much do I have to bribe you?

Online purchasing has been a thing for quite a while.

While I appreciate your comment for what it is, which is mostly passive aggressive snark....

You can't get the Gencon Only mini, online, unless it's from FeeBay.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
The real question is....

Who's going to Gencon and how much do I have to bribe you?

Online purchasing has been a thing for quite a while.

While I appreciate your comment for what it is, which is mostly passive aggressive snark....

You can't get the Gencon Only mini, online, unless it's from FeeBay.

Last years Gen Con only model, Van Zant, was available from their webstore during Gencon.

edit - for reference, this is the page on their website that showed it. There were 3 LE models, the Maverick, Maverick Dismount and Van Zant. Van Zant was a direct order solo miniature on their webstore. The Maverick was limited to the box, including boxes that wound up on retail shelves. The Maverick Dismount was available to anyone that pre-ordered the army pack through their webstore.

This was left by timmy from Infinity Forum who found it on /TG/

More than likely the new "Al Fas-whatever" the new spelling is.

Lot of people saying they're going to use it as a Blackjack instead.

Very nice. I'm guessing it's the box only model like the Reverend Healer and Father Knight. Being the 6th model from the starter still makes no sense as that means we only get 2 Rifle Ghulam.

Looks like Ahl Fassed will be getting a pretty big overhaul. Going to S2 is a big change, but that looks like an LGL or LFT under the HMG, which they don't have on their profile.

Also, that HMG is bent.

Well, it's definitely the Ahl Fasid. The star on the torso matches the unit icon; just differently colored.

Don't Haqq have boarding shotguns have the multi-barrel cartridge, that sorta looks like a grenade launcher?

I can also see using that as a Blackjack.


There's even a skull on the base..... 40k creep!

 -Loki- wrote:
Very nice. I'm guessing it's the box only model like the Reverend Healer and Father Knight. Being the 6th model from the starter still makes no sense as that means we only get 2 Rifle Ghulam.

Personally I am greedily hoping that there is only two Ghulam. I already have the others after all.
If this becomes the standard Haqq Box then I can understand it needing the three but if they are making it more of a Capliphate Starter 2 Ghulams is fine, ends up with 5 (3+2 from starters) Rifle toting ones for base, FO and Docs and Hafzas, along with 4 SWCs for a total of 9, more than enough.

That said, the Haqq starter does need a shake up with the malnourished Jannie and old version Naffatun so I doubt I will see my preference realised.

caliphate starter wouldn't make sense. Book 3 isn't due for what, 2 years?

edit - someone on Facebook pointed out that it exactly matches the Blackjack HMG model. Correct silhouette, and that HMG has an underslung DEP. USAriadna also have very similar basing to Haqqislam and a more washed out green, which matches this model. But then, it's definitely holding a new Haqqislam HMG. This is a bit of a conundrum.

It doesn't really look any more low tech than other HI models, so not sure it really fits for a Blackjack in that regard.

That helmet is not at all Haqq-like. The symbol is very close to the Ahl Fassed. That HMG is only slightly similar the Azra'il's HMG. (when compared side by side)

I think it is the Blackjack-- for no other reason than the HMG+heavy pistol load-out, and the Blackjack is a known S5 profile. One of July's releases? What are those resin colored pieces in the background?

The unit symbols aren't that close, the blackjack symbol is a spade, whereas this is more like a star. The HMG is more than a little bit similar to the Azra'il, and the Azra'il has an AP HMG, so any differences might be down to this one being a regular HMG. There's too many similarities with Haqq heavy armour for me to see it as an Ariadna model. The little round indents on the legs and chest are on the Azra'il and Jannisary armour.

Lots of notes similar to the Azrail, I really can't see it as a blackjack.
Markings look almost like Arabic numerals but not quite.

The colored resin pieces in the background look to be resin masters/3d prints, the one on the right seems to be the father knight model holding its sword 2-handed. I can't see what's the left one though

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
The colored resin pieces in the background look to be resin masters/3d prints, the one on the right seems to be the father knight model holding its sword 2-handed. I can't see what's the left one though

Pretty sure it's another Father Knight, just from the other side.

I'm definitely seeing this as a Haqq unit, for these reasons.

1) The Helmet (and other parts) have the triple round indents you can find on other Haqq units.
2) Big Gun has the HMG base with the little indents along the barrel like the Ghulam and Azra'il (possibly maggie?) models.
3) The symbol painted on the front looks like an attempt to freehand paint the Ahl Fassed logo painted in black but forgot the star is six points and not five before adding the little arrow at the bottom.
4) Pistol wrist and left knee have white symbols which (to my horribly unlearned eye) look somewhat psuedo-Arabic.

Not saying it's not the Ahl Fassed, it's just... I'm baffled by such a drastic redesign after we just got printed books. This is a pretty drastic redesign - changing their silhouette, changing their loadouts. I can't believe this is something tossed together at the last second, it has to have been in the pipeline for a while. Why the old profiles made it into the print book when a release was so imminent is really strange.

There's units with less drastic changes like just a new weapon that the model probably won't see the light of day that had their updated profile make it into HSN3, while a unit being entirely redesigned was left out.

Only in the world of Infinity do people look at a military unit and wonder if it's American or Arabic.

I'm going to argue it's Haqqislam.

Firstly, the HMG looks like it's from Haqqislam. It has the heat vents on the barrel. Like the Azrail, it has exactly five,


All the Haqqislam HMGs have a boxed barrel with five heat vents with the tip sticking straight out. Also no sights.
Ariadna HMGs have ironsights, boxy barrel, and no side heat vents.

Additionally, there are the bases.

USAriadna bases tend to be dryer, flatter, and feature rocks and/or greenish foliage.
Haqqislam bases tend to be rougher and have no plant life aside from dead tumbleweed stuff. Also, both the Azrail and the mystery model have a skull.

Finally, the Ahl Fassed icon:

And Blackjack Icon:

Neither icon really matches. Both have a star-like icon with a thing sticking out the bottom like the star.

One bit of evidence towards it being Ariadna is the heavy pistol. It looks like it has a revolver chamber like Ariadna does. Haqqislam doesn't have a heavy pistol, so we don't know what it would look like. However, their pistols are usually not revolvers.

The Blackjack icon isn't star-like, it's a spade.

Interesting to see how they differentiate this guy. Since Ahl Fasseds were just marginally different Janissaries before, much like how Wu Ming were marginally different Invincibles.

 -Loki- wrote:
The Blackjack icon isn't star-like, it's a spade.

I was being vague, yes. Both have a spike-shaped thing with a thingy sticking out the bottom. Haqqi have a star. Ariadna has a spade. Neither look like the icon on that model's chest.

 Killionaire wrote:
Interesting to see how they differentiate this guy. Since Ahl Fasseds were just marginally different Janissaries before, much like how Wu Ming were marginally different Invincibles.

Probably the way they did with Azra'il - silhouette and equipment. The problem was all three budget HI were essentially the same. Azra'il originally stood out with their toolkit profile: AP Rifle, light flame thrower, panzerfaust. They dropped their profile, beefed up their ARM a touch, made them bigger and upgraded the HMG to an AP HMG. The unit thus became the 'heavier weapon' unit with the Fauerbach and AP HMG. Their thing is big guns (which is good, because that fits their fluff along with the big scary armour).

Ahl Fassed now got the same treatment with model size. But they're going to need something to stand apart from the Azra'il now, since they're aping part of what made that unit different. Ahl Fassed now have the toolkit profile, but the first release is a HMG in direct competition with the much better AP HMG Azra'il. I'm guessing Ahl Fasseds thing is going to be budget super HI, so we'll have to see if the lower points cost justify not taking the Azra'il (who are already pretty cheap for HI) with a better HMG.

Just pull up an ap HMG Azrail pic and compare them.
Thigh armor is the same, boots/shin are the same with more armor on the AL Fasid, upper arm armor is the same, layered armor on the lower torso is the same.
Helmet is definitely odd, especially as the green is so washed out compared to the rest of it.

 -Loki- wrote:
Not saying it's not the Ahl Fassed, it's just... I'm baffled by such a drastic redesign after we just got printed books. This is a pretty drastic redesign - changing their silhouette, changing their loadouts. I can't believe this is something tossed together at the last second, it has to have been in the pipeline for a while. Why the old profiles made it into the print book when a release was so imminent is really strange.

There's units with less drastic changes like just a new weapon that the model probably won't see the light of day that had their updated profile make it into HSN3, while a unit being entirely redesigned was left out.

I can't remember and I don't have the books on me, but I thought they weren't in the printed books, like the Halqa?

To the Books!

Well, that would make a lot of sense. And teach me to read the things before going off.

However, I'd still be interested in what makes them different to Azra'il now aside from just slightly less impressive firepower.

The lower half of the HMG looks different, possibly a LGL or LS have been suggested, though LFT would keep it toolboxy.

Something to represent their mercenary roots might be nice, Scavenger or the like would be cool and only very situational. Do you really need to pick up something when you have the HMG? but if you run a duo if one goes down the other one can pick up their weapon so you don't looks that flexibility.

Duo in vanilla would give them a little something above Azra'il.

Side by side with the Azra'il HMG

Similar barrel, nothing else is the same. Even the muzzles are different. Of course all the other similarities and differences are a bit clearer too.

I'm not convinced one way or the other. it could be one of those minis CB tested and then decided not to produce. There are images of a few of those floating around. I don't think these 2 minis were painted by the same person either.

The more I look, the more I think that this is a converted Azra'il, and meant to be a Blackjack. For the legs, added shin guards and knee plates. For the chest, some sort of cowling. The head has been swapped with something and the machine gun altered. Has it been photoshopped into an image so that real CB minis are in the background?

Where did this image originate anyway?

The Azra'il is an AP HMG which might explain differences like the muzzle if this is a regular HMG.

That would be an awful lot of work just to do a conversion. Just looking at the upper body, I can see a direct match with the recently revealed silhouette. No, I'm inclined to think that this is the new Ahl Fassed. Either it's an early sculpt that isn't going to be used, like the HMG Ghulam one they showed, or this is indeed an actual upcoming release for the starter. Either way, my money is on this being the Ahl Fassed.

One thing I hope to see is that he gets a higher AVA. Chances are, since the Ahl Fassed is still left out of Qapu Khalki for whatever reason, he'll hopefully find a spot in the Al Medinat sectorial. If that's the case, he should fill a similar role to the Azra'il which that sectorial wouldn't be able to take.

Personally, I'm happy to see another pseudo-TAG HI for Haqq. I wonder if the Ahl Fassed will be retaining their shotgun profile? I'd love to see a bulked out pseudo-TAG with an equally bulked out super shotgun.

Ahl Fased are dirty mercenaries. They will likely be Khanate.

They are highly paid dirty mercenaries who can't show their faces. The former matches the Caliphate and why would the Khanate care to enforce the latter?

I can see them being in either one really.

Can anyone identify the symbol on the knee and wrist?

People on the official forums are saying the image is flipped based on the masters in the background. If it's flipped they look more like Arabic numerals.

Here is a flippy-floppy from the Infinity forums




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That said, have we seen any Left-Handed HMGs or large weapons of any type? I am still suss on that aspect.

The figures in the back look normal now, so maybe this is a first for that size gun on the left side.

I still say that underslung weapon is a boarding shotgun.

Looks just like the Odalisque boarding shotgun

The badge on the chest is clearly a maple leaf, and it's colour deontes some eveil offshoot of the RCNP, so I'm calling it now - nasty Canadian Ariadna faction.

From this months gtm:



So, yeap, another icestorm, this time called op: red veil

Huh. What are those front two on the Haqq side?

Based on the shoulder pad the middle one is a Zhayedan

So Ghulam, Zhayedan and ? on the Haqq side, and Zhanshi, Zuyong and Hsien on the YJ side.

Most likely a Taureg? Probably just has some colour shifting from the camera on the blue head covering.

 plastictrees wrote:
Most likely a Taureg? Probably just has some colour shifting from the camera on the blue head covering.

Oh yeah I see it now. I thought it was hair at first glance.

Apparently there's a full reveal on Beasts of War next week.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Most likely a Taureg? Probably just has some colour shifting from the camera on the blue head covering.

Oh yeah I see it now. I thought it was hair at first glance.

Apparently there's a full reveal on Beasts of War next week.

Which begs the question of why they didn't do it this week or last week; y'know before GTM comes out?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Most likely a Taureg? Probably just has some colour shifting from the camera on the blue head covering.

Oh yeah I see it now. I thought it was hair at first glance.

Apparently there's a full reveal on Beasts of War next week.

Which begs the question of why they didn't do it this week or last week; y'know before GTM comes out?

Because Spain.

Assuming it is a Zhayedan I'm guessing that's the Breaker Rifle/ LSG.

So that would make the Haqq starter either:
3 Ghulam, Khawarij, Tuareg, Zhayedan and box only Ahl Fassed
Or
2 Ghulam (very odd for a starter), Khawarij, Tuareg, Zhayedan, Ahl Fassed and something else as the box only model

Or Beasts of War. Not always the quickest when it comes to releasing previews. Either way, speculating was fun.

Operation:Red Veil. A 2 player starting point. Icestorm II, Storm Harder it will be. A new set of terrain-- Yu Jing Orbital themed-- markers, custom dice (wizdice maybe? Ah well. Cb should get/make their own molds and cast their own dice for these boxes, like GameScience. They could do it. Custom Infinity dice of GameScience quality. Yes, please. We have to paint the minis, so what if we would have to fill in the numbers on the dice.)

Ghulam, Zhayedin and Tuareg. It will be box of 3 ghulam (CB only had concept art for 1 Male Ghulam, that is why we only saw one silhouette, I think), 1 tuareg, 1 zhayedin, and 1 khawarij with the Red Veil box exclusive being 1 Al Fasid. Based on what we know so far. Interesting that the Tuareg's turban is purple and not blue. A Yu Jing player can explain the Yu Jing inclusions.

Well, I wonder what the LE mini will be? If it is not so good, I would be inclined to hold off on pre-ordering, and just wait for MM to put the box on Deal of the Day. Save more than a few $$$. Or wait even longer for just the Haqq starter box, if the Al Fasid is not a particularly good mini (like that photo of unknown origin we just saw), and the terrain is meh.

Pre-orders will start when, 17 July probably, so we will not have that much of a wait until we see the actual minis. I'm curious about both the Tuareg and the Zhayedin... Moreso the Tuareg. Been waiting on those resculpts for several years.

I thought I read that BoW is doing a video for this next week.

Can't recall where... Facebook maybe?

 TalonZahn wrote:
I thought I read that BoW is doing a video for this next week.

Can't recall where... Facebook maybe?

Yeah i posted it on Facebook in a few places, and I got it off a warcor on the forum who I believe is Killian from BoW (but might be wrong on that part).

I didn't even notice the turban. I tbought it was hair as well. Looking more closely, if the art can be trusted, the Tuareg looks to be the sniper profile. The rifle looks like the sniper rifle from the Govad and Ghulam dossier art. Looks like the Zhayedan probably has the breaker rifle/light shotty as I don't recognize that gun design.

Very excited about this! My two favourite factions.

To save on crick of neck:

A sniper would make sense. CB likes to include one in every box.

Killian posts on the official forum as Deep-Green-X, and He had this to say,

"Cats out of the bag now then....

I hope more stuff doesn't get spoiled as there's some really nice surprises in the set.

Keep an eye on BOW next week for the full reveal."

How about the term 2 player starting point? Icestorm was billed as a 2 player introductory battlepack. Could this different terminology mean we are not getting Icestorm II after all. (I do hope yes.)

I just realised that the lack of a Jannisary means no AP Rifle Jannisary. The only other place that model could go is a redone Qapu Khalki starter, which I assume is a long way off.

Whoever wrote that copy needs a slap.

Well it kinda seems like this is a replacement for Icestorm, which isn't no bad thing I think. They can learn from their Icestorm experiences to deliver a better product. They're adding two new armies for new players to select from. Even gets more varied terrain out there. All good things.

Icestorm is still available though. As are the quickstarter rules. What I hope to see is something more than just 5 "learner" scenarios. Some updated campaign rules maybe or something along the lines of Dire Foes? Anything but re-skinned Icestorm. We've been told to expect really nice surprises sometime next week.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Whoever wrote that copy needs a slap.

Or whoever translated it from Spanish to English.

Is there enough/any cross over in the proposed Haqq half and the proposed Al Medinate Sectorial to justify getting it?

Probably not, and I don't really want Yu Jing, so unless the 'box only' model is something really special...

Khawarij and Zhuyedan would be Caliphate, as might the new Al Fasid.
Assuming that and that the Ghulams will stay as line infantry for the Caliphate then every model but one is part of that sectoral.

Naffatun are rumoured to be the line infantry for Caliphate, with Halqa taking that role for Khanate. Ghulam are the line infantry for the Qapu Khalki, and are a token presence (hence their AVA 4) in Hassassin Bahram as a way to keep an eye on Hassassin operatives in the field.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Ghulam appear in the Caliphate, but with Naffatun and Zheyadan, I'd be a little surprised.

 plastictrees wrote:
Khawarij and Zhuyedan would be Caliphate, as might the new Al Fasid.
Assuming that and that the Ghulams will stay as line infantry for the Caliphate then every model but one is part of that sectoral.

OK, thanks for the info - and for tempting me to reconsider get the box...

Thanks, I guess!

 -Loki- wrote:
Naffatun are rumoured to be the line infantry for Caliphate, with Halqa taking that role for Khanate. Ghulam are the line infantry for the Qapu Khalki, and are a token presence (hence their AVA 4) in Hassassin Bahram as a way to keep an eye on Hassassin operatives in the field.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Ghulam appear in the Caliphate, but with Naffatun and Zheyadan, I'd be a little surprised.

Right, I can see them making an appearance at ava 3 or something, but really you'd only want them for cheap specialist or SWC options over the Naffatun

 plastictrees wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Naffatun are rumoured to be the line infantry for Caliphate, with Halqa taking that role for Khanate. Ghulam are the line infantry for the Qapu Khalki, and are a token presence (hence their AVA 4) in Hassassin Bahram as a way to keep an eye on Hassassin operatives in the field.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Ghulam appear in the Caliphate, but with Naffatun and Zheyadan, I'd be a little surprised.

Right, I can see them making an appearance at ava 3 or something, but really you'd only want them for cheap specialist or SWC options over the Naffatun

Which begs the question - why not just add some of those profiles to Naffatun. I'd rather see Naffatun expanded with a few SWC and specialist options that shove Ghulam into Al Medinat.

Hope that is the case, even if they arent repetitions of Ghulam options.
HRL, Spitfire, Vulcan Shotgun would all be super.
Feuerbach would be delighfully insane.

Even if they just go with fire options. Vulkan Shotgun, HRL, LRL. No high burst weapons like HMGs or Spitfires, keep the unit thematic. A linked HRL is pretty nasty already. Give them a Doctor Plus (because Haqqislam) and an Engineer (to be different, this is the 'well educated' sectorial) and Forward Observers. Maybe a hacker if it's not well represented in the sectorial.

The pre-order mini? Sibylla? Another Merc?

Sybella to use as an objective would be fun, since this ones story revolves around information retrieval.

But Sybella is an AI.
Although it'd be kinda cool if she had an Lhost body (and Aleph rules).

Not as a 'body'. She's frequently shown as a sort of 'clippy' type helper hologram. She's also a much requested bootleg in this form. Having Sybella as the LE model that the scenarios revolve around seems like a fun way to do a miniature of her. Outside of the LE that can be represented by any token or console. Just have her from the waist up as Sybella and waist down as a sort of conical shape down to the base, and you've got a hologram projected from the waist up.

I would prefer a full body that you can paint in "hologram blue" if you preferred or just as a regular civvie/lhost if that was your bag.

Watch, they'll just include her as one of those clear plastic standees, like the hacker holos or the Gwailo's shield.

I'm actually hoping that they try introducing some of the terrain aspects with this one. Since it's in an orbital, how about implementing rules for Zero-G? They could be a bit more creative with the map, include areas outside of the station, cramped corridors, etc. It would make for a very different feel from the previous 2-player starter if nothing else.

And Alph, are we ever going to see the thread title updated?

The Ninja and Ahl Fasid are exclusive to Red Veil, at least for now from what I could understand. There is also a new Yuan Yuan exclusive to the box for preorders(?maybe? that's what it sounded like)

Credit for the screencaps to OblongPanther on the official Infinity forums.

Ninja with a Bow......

So much sexy.....

Head might explode....