Overall this is making me pretty excited for Hassassins again. A HI with Holo 2, Haris for Govads, Haris and Duo for Asawira. I can't wait to see what else the Hassassins are getting. I'd be fine with Qapu Khalki not getting much, they've got more options that any sectorials already.
The new ISS look great. Some of those guys needed an update. The only thing though is that all of the figures look massive. I don't want to start up the whole scale creep topic again, but these guys don't look like they will mix very well with the old figures.
It also looks like the starter is being changed. It appears to have lost the Hsien and the Wu Ming, but gained a Crane and a Zhanying.
For feth's sake how many times will I get some new minis only for a much better replacement to appear just after!
To be honest the Celestial Guard (hacker exluded) were starting to look a little dated compared to some of the other line troopers out there, have to say those look absolutely awesome even from the show/camera phone pic.
To be fair Barzam I don't think there had been a scale-creep or ragefist post this page yet so you're entitled to make that comment, just to keep things ticking over
Dragon Lady
HI looks like a Crane with a Spitfire (the cloak comes from the waist on the crane, while it is a full coat on the Hsien)
Sword chap with the shotgun and sword looks like a Pheasant
Three Celestial Guard (two with the Crane and one with the other two)
No idea who has the missile launcher - Eagle agent? (Zhangying)
The colours look really good. I kind of want to repaint my own YJ now.
The CG kind of give me a 'stormtrooper' vibe with their helmets.
The Crane looks amazing. Both Cranes (existing one and this coming one) look super cool.
Now I will forgive all this heretical talk about the other lesser factions - but what about the one true faction military orders. Has there been any other leeks besides he black Friars - some rule changes perhaps?
A little birdie told me father knight can now be Harris or join with Joan of arc....
Pheasant: Red fury profile with haris option, stun grenades or madtraps for combi/emitter profile, marskmanship LX for sniper, loss of mono CCW all around, all profiles have CoC except sniper and hacker. Also fireteam duo and free agent.
Yan Huo profile with dual ML and TinBot-C that gives it Neurocinetics; 56pts 2swc.
So looks like the rumor that Azra'il were going to lose linkable was true, and they didn't even get Duo to replace it. Fueurbach supposedly has a B1 EXP profile now and a boost at the 16-32 range to +3. Hafzas are limited to only two in a link or one in a haris link and can't join merc links which is disappointing. They do gain an HRL profile though. Sekban add duo to their list of fireteam options and gain +1 BS, lose -1 CC. Druze can take a full link of 5 to replace the lack of Hafza option.
Mutt's are reportedly getting smoke, which makes them an insane tool box unit if true!
I can see it as a Sectoral penalty given how much they've added to link options.
wana10 wrote: So looks like the rumor that Azra'il were going to lose linkable was true, and they didn't even get Duo to replace it.
Expected. QK has so many linkable units, they wanted Azra'il to be more powerful solo models. Any changes to their profile at all?
wana10 wrote: Fueurbach supposedly has a B1 EXP profile now and a boost at the 16-32 range to +3.
This would go a fair way to making the gun better, and it's long been said the problem with the Fauerback Azra'il is the Fauerbach. Better +3 band and a B1 EXP shot for ARO would give it a role over the APHMG. Depends on points costs though.
wana10 wrote: Hafzas are limited to only two in a link or one in a haris link and can't join merc links which is disappointing. They do gain an HRL profile though.
Never was a fan of Hafza or the way you could stuff links full of them. A cap of two makes sense. A HRL profile is a nice way of inserting some impressive firepower in a link like Odalisques.
wana10 wrote: Sekban add duo to their list of fireteam options and gain +1 BS, lose -1 CC.
Awesome. Big fan. They're not a unit you aim to get into CC, they're a shoting unit. Dropping CC and boosting BS is a big improvment. Duo is a nice option as well.
wana10 wrote: Druze can take a full link of 5 to replace the lack of Hafza option.
-Loki- wrote: Expected. QK has so many linkable units, they wanted Azra'il to be more powerful solo models. Any changes to their profile at all?
No profile changes except fueurbach loses xvisor and drops to 39/1.5
Honestly I'm having a hard time justifying them now over janissaries. +1 armour doesn't really make up for being larger, slower, and unlinkable. Except for maybe the rare occasion when you want to shoot over a s2 obstacle. I love the models though so they'll keep finding a place on my table.
-Loki- wrote: Awesome. Big fan. They're not a unit you aim to get into CC, they're a shoting unit. Dropping CC and boosting BS is a big improvment. Duo is a nice option as well.
Also really interested in these guys. And coincidentally I just picked up a box of them in that last miniature market blow-out...
I'm thinking a duo with a doc and an HRL. Go for objectives and keep people away. If they do get close both the doc and the hrl have chain colts.
I've been holding off purchasing YJ light infantry in the hopes that they would make some new models this year, and these are perfect.
There's a lot of echoes of the new Tiger's armour, which is perfect; the belly armour, the slightly baggy camo on the legs... I really like the simple helmets too. I never liked the "loincloths" that the CG sported. These have a much more functional, modern paramiltary feel, almost like a SWAT team.
So, something that just jumped out at me, Kaplan and Druze are no longer mercs. So you can still take Hafza with them. They're both listed in the Haqq part of the new book and under the QK army listing they are not listed as merc units.
Micky wrote: In other news, Army6 is printing properly today.
ooooo, very nice. It has the range bands printing nicely as well. Glad to see that working. Now we just need the new stats updated! (I know I know, never pleased)
edit* scratch that. just tried a list and all the movement values are wrong. looks like still a few bugs in the system
wana10 wrote: So, something that just jumped out at me, Kaplan and Druze are no longer mercs. So you can still take Hafza with them. They're both listed in the Haqq part of the new book and under the QK army listing they are not listed as merc units.
Micky wrote: In other news, Army6 is printing properly today.
ooooo, very nice. It has the range bands printing nicely as well. Glad to see that working. Now we just need the new stats updated! (I know I know, never pleased)
New Su Jian is finally in there, so is the Krakot Renegade and Umbra Samaritan.
re: Druze/Kaplan. Fair enough - but slightly mystified that Druze aren't more widely available... we're all about to get this awesome new mini, but she can only be used with one army? What? This seems crazy. The thing about getting bounty hunters all the time - sure, they're boring, but they're widely usable at least. If the Druze hacker is Haqq only, there's gonna be a lot of those hitting eBay.
-Loki- wrote: Expected. QK has so many linkable units, they wanted Azra'il to be more powerful solo models. Any changes to their profile at all?
No profile changes except fueurbach loses xvisor and drops to 39/1.5 Honestly I'm having a hard time justifying them now over janissaries. +1 armour doesn't really make up for being larger, slower, and unlinkable. Except for maybe the rare occasion when you want to shoot over a s2 obstacle. I love the models though so they'll keep finding a place on my table.
Fauerbach weapon changes give it more of a place, but not as good as the APHMG. So a drop in points seems reasonable.
With Jannisarys, if I want a HI link, that's their job. If I want a tougher solo peice, that's the Azra'ils job.
-Loki- wrote: Awesome. Big fan. They're not a unit you aim to get into CC, they're a shoting unit. Dropping CC and boosting BS is a big improvment. Duo is a nice option as well.
Also really interested in these guys. And coincidentally I just picked up a box of them in that last miniature market blow-out... I'm thinking a duo with a doc and an HRL. Go for objectives and keep people away. If they do get close both the doc and the hrl have chain colts.
Sekban are great. I use them any chance I get. I know a lot of people prefer Odalisques, but I really like Sekban. My go-to in QK is a Haris with HRL and Doctor, but I'm not sure if I'd drop the Haris and go Duo. The AP rifle comes in real handy, and the +1 burst is really nice for the HRL.
So, anyone else getting the feeling that we'll be seeing an Asawira resculpt in the near future? Or possibly a full on box set?
For you guys that are getting all this new info, do you have the books in front of you or something? Is there any word on the Ahl Fassed? Are they completely out now, or will they be getting new rules to make them more useful?
With the Asawira/Muyib/Muyib Haris being a thing I think we're more likely to see a new Asawira blister than box.
Expecting to see the new Ayyar HI soonish as well although who knows.
People are posting scans/pics on reddit and Facebook, and just giving info out on the Infinity boards.
No mention of the Ahl Fassed. I'm assuming it won't be in HS and if it reappears will be in one of the two future sectorals.
I've got a painted Spitfire Asawira I'll be using quick smart for that combo, but I won't be buying any more Asawira because I fully expect a box with Spitfire, AP Rifle, Boarding Shotgun and Doctor. The Asawira models are nice, but they're teeny tiny compared to recent sculpts. While they're in light powered armour, they're slimmer than new Ghulam.
wana10 wrote: So, something that just jumped out at me, Kaplan and Druze are no longer mercs. So you can still take Hafza with them. They're both listed in the Haqq part of the new book and under the QK army listing they are not listed as merc units.
Wasn't that always the case with Kaplan?
If not I have a great deal of apologising to do for games I've played over the last 1-2 years!
* Symbiont armor is no longer instant-death when hit with fire. Now, only the Symbiont armor falls off instantly. * The little Symbio-mate pokemon can be sacrificed in the inactive turn to instantly negate all the damage and effects of a single order. Not hits. The entire order. * The little Symbio-bomb pokemon can be sacrificed as an order to initiate a Pheroware attack similar to a hacking attack. One-time use per pokemon.
Spoiler:
* Any model with symiont armor can use a pokemon. Kaeltar specialists are simply required to field them.
wana10 wrote: So, something that just jumped out at me, Kaplan and Druze are no longer mercs. So you can still take Hafza with them. They're both listed in the Haqq part of the new book and under the QK army listing they are not listed as merc units.
Wasn't that always the case with Kaplan?
If not I have a great deal of apologising to do for games I've played over the last 1-2 years!
Probably the case for Kaplan! When it comes to Infinity I'm somewhere in between brand new and brand spanking new so there are sure to be mistakes in what I type.
Knight wrote: Was it stated anywhere, if you can have core and duo fire team in your sectorial army?
Word is Duo is entirely separate in the way Haris is, and is not capped. As long as the units have Duo, you can have as many Duo links as you want in addition to a single Core link and single Haris link.
-Loki- wrote: Word is Duo is entirely separate in the way Haris is, and is not capped. As long as the units have Duo, you can have as many Duo links as you want in addition to a single Core link and single Haris link.
So, some updates while I've got them in my head and the official forum is experiencing its usual specialness.
PanOceania:
ORCs are now available in the Shock Army and NCA. That opens up a Haris option for both, although someone with the book was saying the Shock Army version of the ORCs has access to Fireteam: Duo while NCA doesn't.
Blackfriars are available to both Shock Army and NCA as well. AVA 1 from what has been said.
Shock Army now have three Steel Phalanx characters in addition to their Naga options. They seem to be the Steel Phalanx characters with a bit of ties to the OSS as well. Only one I reliably can recall is Teucer though.
quoting Alister(a WarCor who got their book):
I can tell you guys this, Uhlans is at 99 points cost...
Black Friars are Anti-MSV units....with Albedo, which is a skill where you are considered to have "White Noise" on you.
NCA get Orc with 3 Ava and Black Friars with 1 Ava
Shock get Ava 3 Orc, Ava 1 Drakios, Ava1 Scylla, and Ava 1 Teucer. That is all I know for now.
Quoting Lancer here:
Acontecimento Regular Hacker now comes with combi + LGL and fast pandas. 1 SWC.
DeFersen now has AHD with some upgrade.
Bagh Maris get Number 2 (comes with D-charges)
Santiago, nanopulser, paramedic, MA 1 (cheaper, goes for almost all HI, you know where to find scans)
As far I see there's no defensive hacking device or white hacking device. Yeah, we're gonna die in infor war, a lot.
After much begging and pleading, we got some fluff on some of the new units. This was posted by Redwulfe:
Locusts: originally didn't have a name as they where off book operatives. They where named by the Yu Jing military intelligence for there damaging effectiveness. They are your standard kick butt style spies. they are field agents of a division of Hexahedron called External Reconnaissance Agency, nick named "Big Nothing" due to its secretive nature. they are an agency that operates outside of Pan-O controlled areas using Info-espionage and such. Authorized to use lethal force and does illegal stuff to further Pan-O. Espionage, theft, sabotage, assassinations are all in there wheelhouse. basically the CIA of Pan-O.
Shikami: Hypothetically, off the books, Fukuro security is a front of the Fukuro ninja clan. Seriously guys you couldn't name your front something different than the name of your clan? Bad Ninjas, no Sushi for you! but I digress. These guys are techno Ninjas and are willing to do anything for a price. corporations higher the security firm and they get the job done, off the books of course. these guys are given the jobs no one wants to admit to having been done.
Blackjacks: 10th Heavy ranger Battalion. Also known as the "Winning Hand" most lethal resistant and toughest unit in the USARF. Deploying these guys in the AO always means victory. God luck Ariadna players don't let the blackjacks down, no pressure. Heralds of their enemies deaths, lament of women and children, top level unit of USARF, USA, USA, USA, and so on. They are the elite of the elite. they do list several options of where there name may have came from but no one knows for sure.
Hassassin Ayyar: Undercover operatives operating outside areas where the spy network of the Assassin culture reach. Lone wolfs. Ayyar means vagabond in Persian. Ayyarun are nothing more than rumor, no camera has ever recorded one. They stay myths because myths can't be killed.
Also, Geckos are now cheaper and have Fireteam: Duo. 2 Combi Rifles, Chain-Colt, Panzerfaust is now 0 SWC and 53 points. Mk12, Chain Colt, Blitzen is .5 SWC and 54 points.
Although at this point, I'm just excited to see what the Locust look like. I speculated over on the official forums that they might be something like the CIA's "action teams"; i.e. deniable operatives that get activated as necessary to do some really nasty crap. Feeling kinda vindicated on that front.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Locusts too (well, all the new stuff). Wonder how much if any they'll be able to show in the seminar today. I did like the photoshopped one someone did on the official forum, I was a bit disappointed when I realised it wasn't real.
So, the Uhlan went up 3 points in cost. I thought the Uhlan was supposed to be a very basic TAG. It's more expensive than the Tikbalong now.
Locusts are basically a special unit within the Hexas, it sounds like. I was under the impression that the Hexas were already basically the CIA of PanO.
Shikami are pretty much JSA mercs it sounds like. Neat. Weren't ORCs supposed to be PMCs as well?
Barzam wrote: So, the Uhlan went up 3 points in cost. I thought the Uhlan was supposed to be a very basic TAG. It's more expensive than the Tikbalong now.
Uhlan now has Explosive Ammo on the Feuerbach, so that's something.
Locusts are basically a special unit within the Hexas, it sounds like. I was under the impression that the Hexas were already basically the CIA of PanO.
Hexahedron is the name of the PanOceanian intelligence agency--kinda like when people use the term "Pentagon" to refer to the US military's highest command.
From what I'm able to find out, the Hexas are their own Division within the Hexahedron. The Hexas are known as the "Strategic Security Division"(per Human Sphere v1) while what we're given about the Locusts is they're part of the External Reconnaissance Agency(which actually was namedropped in Campaign: Paradiso p73), which is a group named "The Great Nothing" because its so secretive that its very existence was classified and whose mission was HUMINT(Human Intelligence Gathering) and info-espionage beyond PanOceanian borders.
Hexas are authorized and publicly recognized, while Locusts don't exist. It's rather telling that their codename is not one granted to them by the actual Hexahedron command structure but rather something that Jade Empire intelligence uses to refer to them.
The best way to think of it, IMO, is like this:
Hexas? They're the spies who have been outed or had their accomplishments put into the limelight for whatever reason. They're the James Bonds and the Sam Fishers of the Hexahedron.
Locusts? They're the guys who the Hexas rely on for support in operations. They're the nameless operatives who have full face masks and take up positions so that the Bonds and Fishers can accomplish their mission, and then the Locusts go back to whatever it was they were doing before those dang glory hounds showed up and made life difficult.
Weren't ORCs supposed to be PMCs as well?
Nope. Orc is the unofficial name given to the Heavy Tactical Group. The moniker comes from the logo of the manufacturer of the combat armors, the Omnia Research & Creation(ORC) Corporation.
April: Kazak Spetznaz with HMG Reverend Healer Yaogat Strike Infantry with MSR Maghriba Guard The new Imperial Security Service Starter Pack
May: Bashi Bazouks Kosuil Assault Pioneers (this will be the Boarding Shotgun profile as the K1 Combi Rifle profile has a model already) Xeodron Batroids Uhlans/Tikbalangs Miyamoto Mushashi They showed two different variants: Onyx Army Pack
The remainder of the stuff was not shown for May. They did show a render of the female Foxtrot Ranger and her dossier.
Kanluwen wrote: Never underestimate the sneakiness of a Kanluwen who should be doing housecleaning!
I managed to get them up on the official forum really quickly because you can just upload them in the post but I dunno any shortcuts like that for here haha.
That's the biggest scenic base we've seen for a standard release...
The plan is for a single model Uhlan or TIkbalang kit right? Not one of each in a dual box?
Super excited for the Guard.
Not in love with the Yaogat, we've seen that pose before.
That's the biggest scenic base we've seen for a standard release...
The plan is for a single model Uhlan or TIkbalang kit right? Not one of each in a dual box?
I couldn't hear him say as Bostria's voice was going out.
He's been adamant that it will be a double box like the Gecko though, as it's a "mini-TAG"...so at the very least it's a Tikbalang and Uhlan. And if that's the case, I'll only want one box because the Uhlan is a very recognizable build at this point and there's no real way for me to unclutter that.
Oh great, another €10 in tactical rubbish on the Uhlan base I'll just have to cut away -_-'. (not to mention reposing the whole damn thing...)
Damn good model, though. Good to see the move away from the rather stiff posing (and "how and where are you holding that gun?!?") of many of the older TAGs continue.
First, and for the record, intercourse the mother- intercoursing Uhlan. Tikbalang. The only Pan-O TAG that matters..well, the Jotums and the Dragoes matter too, but still, enough with the Uhlan. </grump>
Sounds like some nice changes for ASA. Not sure the ORCs were needed though.
When that reverend-healer stands, how tall would it be (thinking of the Odalisque spitfire, and now the Hunzakut LGL, both would be very tall indeed if standing...)
Musashi lost his clown shoes. Finally. XD
That is the standard 'sassy' (pose CB uses for dossiers on all female minis these days.
Mag Guard and Tikbalang on back to back months. Sweet.
Nice. Hope it's going to be easy to build with little pinning required, although I'd also need bigger transport bag for it. I'll also have to wait for my new panda options for quite a while. Bitter sweet feelings over the miniature and release plans.
Red Harvest wrote:Not sure the ORCs were needed though.
I have faith they'll turn out to be interesting enough.
Micky wrote: Wanna see if the Onyx box comes with any exclusives like the previous boxes have... Otherwise I'll probably just skip it and buy the drones box.
Do you see any exclusives in there?
It comes out next month. It would show the exclusive or an exclusive would have been mentioned. There WAS talk about a Yu Jing Army Pack which will have an exclusive though.
Weren't ORCs supposed to be PMCs as well?
Nope. Orc is the unofficial name given to the Heavy Tactical Group. The moniker comes from the logo of the manufacturer of the combat armors, the Omnia Research & Creation(ORC) Corporation.
Ah, that's why I was thinking they were PMCs. I could swear that their fluff used to say something about them actually being on loan from Omnia or something. I'm sure I'm mis-remembering that though.
What's this talk about an Onyx force boxed set? I must've missed that bit.
What's this talk about an Onyx force boxed set? I must've missed that bit.
It's the Combined Army Starter set, a Rodok box, and the Combined Army Drone(the new spider/crab drone) box all put together in one box for you to buy. It's slated to be the same price as the USAriadna Ranger Force Army Pack(Ranger Force Starter, Maverick, Devil Dog+K9 Antipode) at $108 and it's to be a May release alongside the Xeodron TAG.
motyak wrote: Sorry to do this but I'm massively behind on this thread. The HS book, is it going to have a model attached for preorders? Or just the book.
Micky wrote: Wanna see if the Onyx box comes with any exclusives like the previous boxes have... Otherwise I'll probably just skip it and buy the drones box.
Do you see any exclusives in there?
It comes out next month. It would show the exclusive or an exclusive would have been mentioned. There WAS talk about a Yu Jing Army Pack which will have an exclusive though.
Most of those new miniature pics look fantastic. I think the hat on Miyamoto is poorly realised and the foxtrot is just stupid.
Big winner for me is the maghariba guard! (says the biased haqq player) Though that Uhlan is a close second.
-Loki- wrote: I just noticed the Magharibas base is bigger than the 55mm the Guija is on.
This going to be another case of 'find your own base of X size'?
When was the previous case of that? I'm guessing it'll come with it as its pictured.
The original Maghariba Guard.
No, seriously, it didn't come with a base. Buried in some FAQ or something someone from CB said it was intended to be on an 100mm base, but since they didn't make those, they didn't include a base. One recommendation was 3 mini-CD's stacked on top of each other, which actually makes an 80mm base. Personally, I hunted down a blank 100mm resin base. Some people just didn't base it, which wasn't too much of an issue in N2 because measurements were from the center of the base, so people juse used the center of the model. With N3 and measurements from the edge of the base unbased Magharibas were more problematic.
If they're doing that again, it'll make the glorious arrival of the model a tad irritating.
That's not really the point. The original Maghariba didn't come with a base because they didn't make plastic bases in that size. They didn't bother coming up with a solution, and just stuck a recommendation in a FAQ buried on their website.
At the momment, they also don't make or sell round bases larger than 55mm. This could simply be a base they managed to find that fit. It's a bit hard to say it's not home-made - the picture is so blurry the Mag itself looks home-made. It's just sitting on a black disk.
I'm just wondering if the question was ever asked at adepticon, since there is precedent for them showing a based Maghariba and selling it without a base. If I need to hunt down a certain sized base, I'd like to do it before the miniature is in my hands.
GW sell a plastic "100mm Round Base". I don't know what its actual diameter is, though, and I don't know of any other plastic bases that size, but I'm sure some of the resin base manufacturers will have one.
On the other hand, Corvus Belli clearly commissioned the 55mm bases out of nowhere (does anyone know who actually manfactures CB's bases, and do they sell them separately?), so it's not outwith the bounds of probability that they've also commissioned a 100mm base mould.
The Uhlan looks lice, but I worry that all that crap he's standing on will push the price up needlessly, like the Highlander Cateran sniper.
Judging by the mat it's sitting on whatever it's on is about 70mm. Hopefully if it has a base it's a little larger as it does look a bit squished on that base. The slightly wider pose of the artwork/render looks a bit better in my opinion.
AndrewGPaul wrote: On the other hand, Corvus Belli clearly commissioned the 55mm bases out of nowhere (does anyone know who actually manfactures CB's bases, and do they sell them separately?), so it's not outwith the bounds of probability that they've also commissioned a 100mm base mould.
While true, they also pushed a lot of models to those 55mm bases, some that didn't necessarily need to be (aragoto bikers were small on a 40mm base, thay're tiny on a 55mm), and I can only assume it was done to justify having the base size made by whoever did it.
Doing it for a single model, which is also a TAG which aren't the highest selling models they have, and that single TAG being one of their lower selling TAGs, doesn't scream financial sense. Even if they threw a redone Jotum and Avatar on it, it still wouldn't.
However, it's entirely possible they've gone with a plastic base in a size that's commercially availabe. But again, I'd simply like to know. If I need a certain sized base for it, I'd like to hunt one down so when I get the model I can just build the thing, stick it on its base, and put it in my paint queue.
I see a place for them in my Shock Army, it's easy to get a good number of rather useful line infantry in there. A bit saddening ORC didn't get the missile launcher like it was the case with Mobile Brigada and Janissaries, although I don't recall seeing any chatter about them getting Fireteam: Duo or Haris. Multi rifle is a decent all round weapon, it even gained new ammunition.
I find deflector and hacker for ORC being really unique option. I am going to take this variation for a run once the book drops. I was afraid killer hacking device is going to kill hackers just a bit too easy or not offer enough risk. Position of repeaters is rather important and I like the thought that even Nomads can't simply spam repeaters and think they can't be touched. Changes to Montesa make me wish the expansion would be already here.
Attacking through a repeater will be very dangerous against a powerful hacker force though, as every hacker they have gets an ARO.
Against something like vanilla Nomads with lots of hackers you'd be better off with your infiltrating killer hacker man getting close to every hacker individually rather than try to take on the whole network through a repater IMO.
A Haris of ORCS (odd phrase that) would be useful, I suspect. But individually, the ORC is competing with the Montesa and the Guarda-- both outstanding units. With so many other changes though, making any sort of informed opinion at the moment is nigh impossible.
Pretty much everything is floating around on fb and reddit.
Most of the faction forums on the official boards have threads with all the changes broken down.
I wouldn't be surprised if ORCs became ubiquitious HI that appeared in all the sectorals.
For those unused to 4chan's structure, click the "previous thread" link to go through separate pages. The 'generous' anon has taken pictures of all the unit profiles and sectorial listings. All this stuff will be released by CB anyways, and AFAIK, nothing is fluff.
Guildsman wrote: With ORCs being confirmed as being added to AC and Neoterra, does that mean that they most likely won't be part of Svalarheima as well?
It would not surprise me to see ORC as being part of every PanOceanian sectorial. The question would be, who will get them as Fireteam: Core.
On the other hand, I'm not sure I think the ISS are actual improvements over the older models... well, I mean they certainly are in one sense! The detail is there from a technical standpoint but they're missing a certain charm and character that drew me to Infinity in the first place.
Not to say that they aren't absolutely gorgeous anyway, still. Corvus Belli have set the bar so high, I feel spoilt sometimes!
Really looking forward to the new book, not sure who I'm going to pre-order with but probably go with Elementgames. Cheers for the info and pics Kanluwen!
They are lacking a certain "wow" factor, which for me is probably down to them not being huge improvements over the originals, but only given that IS have always looked fantastic.
That and the uniform colour scheme... I do like the new muted colours, and I do like the attempt to tie the different units all together, but that does by its very nature make them stand out a little less. Maybe I'll add a dash more vibrancy and colour-coding to mine, but everyone has their own preferences.
Nitpicking aside, super pleased with them. Will be picking up a box of new-fangled IS in good time.
The only one I don't think is an improvement is the Pheasent. The pose of the last one was awesome and this one is a little lacklustre in comparison, but not bad by any means.
I'd say Drakios, Teucer and Scyllah going in ASA now would be worth a mention Also note how NCA ORCs just get Haris, but ASA ORCs get not just Haris but Duo as well.
Bolognesus wrote: I'd say Drakios, Teucer and Scyllah going in ASA now would be worth a mention Also note how NCA ORCs just get Haris, but ASA ORCs get not just Haris but Duo as well.
Spoiler:
Thats what I'm looking for. Anybody know if anyone has scanned these lists for each sectorial?
It will be interesting to see if ISS is getting more Aleph choices or if some of the many Haqq vanilla units are included in existing sectorials.
Also more merc choices for Nomad & maybe QK.
Bladerunner2019 wrote:Thats what I'm looking for. Anybody know if anyone has scanned these lists for each sectorial?
It will be interesting to see if ISS is getting more Aleph choices or if some of the many Haqq vanilla units are included in existing sectorials.
Also more merc choices for Nomad & maybe QK.
The third post in that thread contains links to posts with scans of the army lists and stats. Somebody with time on their hands could repost them here, but until then, have fun rummaging! You can see a preview of the linked posts by hovering your cursor over the links, by the way.
I don't remember IS or JSA getting any new cross-over units, just the Kanren, Shikami and delicious new link options.
I'm anxious to see which existing units are being added into lists, like the ORCs on Acontecimento.
I'd like to see if any of the many vanilla only Haqq units are finding a new home with an existing sectorial.
I posted a readable sectorial list for ASA here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/686083.page#8565484 AIf anyone else has readable lists for other sectorial, post them in that thread, and really, any other useful new information. That way, we have a nice repository to refer to until HS releases to the rest of us. HS rules &C are legal as of 5 to 8 May so We should see everything in some form ( in the Army builder for example) at that point.
I get the impression a fair number of existing Haqq uunits are slated for the upcoming Khanate ( like the Hunzakuts) or Caliphate (like the Tuareg or Khawarij) sectorials.
Holy PanOceania!... Four different group pics of the ISS box, and in all four of them the Pheasant and the female Celestial are photographed EXACTLY at the SAME ANGLE... :(
ImAGeek wrote: The only one I don't think is an improvement is the Pheasent. The pose of the last one was awesome and this one is a little lacklustre in comparison, but not bad by any means.
I agree, the original pheasant is still a cracker. Those new Celestial Guard look awesome though, I wonder if they will now do a special weapons pack (Inc. Kuang shi controller etc)
Bolognesus wrote: I'd say Drakios, Teucer and Scyllah going in ASA now would be worth a mention Also note how NCA ORCs just get Haris, but ASA ORCs get not just Haris but Duo as well.
Spoiler:
Thats what I'm looking for. Anybody know if anyone has scanned these lists for each sectorial?
It will be interesting to see if ISS is getting more Aleph choices or if some of the many Haqq vanilla units are included in existing sectorials.
Also more merc choices for Nomad & maybe QK.
Considering that they're really draconian on the official forums about stuff like that, can't help you. I won't go to 4chan.
Bolognesus wrote: I'd say Drakios, Teucer and Scyllah going in ASA now would be worth a mention Also note how NCA ORCs just get Haris, but ASA ORCs get not just Haris but Duo as well.
Spoiler:
Thats what I'm looking for. Anybody know if anyone has scanned these lists for each sectorial?
It will be interesting to see if ISS is getting more Aleph choices or if some of the many Haqq vanilla units are included in existing sectorials.
Also more merc choices for Nomad & maybe QK.
Considering that they're really draconian on the official forums about stuff like that, can't help you. I won't go to 4chan.
I did my digging on 4chan.
Interesting things I noticed for my favorite factions (Nomads & Yu Jing):
Senor massacre can link up with Jaguars in core or haris
Wildcats can form haris
Rev healers can join other reverend haris or core teams (that's probably not new)
All kinds of combinations can be made with the 3 types of imperial agents and hsien, celestial guard, bao, wu Ming.
Celestial guard with Kuang shi controller can join Kuang shi naturally.
Kempetai can join keisotsu
1-2 Domaru or neko can join haramaki core
Nothing really earth shattering, pretty logical stuff.
Asawira with Muyibs is still the coolest teamup I've seen
QK:
* No more Azrail fireteams.
* 1 Hafza can join any Haris fireteam
* Druze and Kaplan no longer considered "mercenary" for the purposes of Hafzas.
* Druze can Duo
* Djanbazan have a new profile with a shock sniper rifle
Hassassin:
* Muyib Haris
* Asawira can Haris with two Muyibs
* Avicenna is in
ASS:
* Achilles can Duo with his bro, Patroclus
* Acmon has Duo
Also new Aleph units: Posthuman Proxy Mk4 (ARM5 heavy infantry), Posthuman Mk5 (Combat drop), Andromeda (Already known)
QK:
* No more Azrail fireteams.
* 1 Hafza can join any Haris fireteam
* Druze and Kaplan no longer considered "mercenary" for the purposes of Hafzas.
* Druze can Duo
* Djanbazan have a new profile with a shock sniper rifle
Hassassin:
* Muyib Haris
* Asawira can Haris with two Muyibs
* Avicenna is in
Additional
QK * Only 2 Hafza can join a Core link
* Sekban gained 1BS, lost 1CC, got cheaper
* Scarface got a few new additions and got a bit more expensive
Hassassin
* Muyibs all have No2
* Asawira dropped 7pts across the board, gained Assault, Kinematica L2, Frenzy, Religious and Duo
* Barids can take HD, AHD or KHD
* Govads gained Haris
Bioscanner level 1 ignores the penalty for discover impersonation state level 1.
Bioscanner level 2, it has benefits of bioscanner level 1, however it also adds +3 MOD to discover against impersonation marker, regardless of the state of the impersonation marker (IMP -1, IMP -2).
They both ignore Surprise Shot by Holoprojector/impersonation marker or when in CC with impersonation/holoecho marker.
Thorakites all are now Religious Troops?!?! That's weird. Also, they all lost their innate 360visor; only the SMG profiles have it. Additionally, they lost the Spitfire and gained the HMG, Fuerbach, and Marksman Rifle. Nesaie still has her Spitfire (with Religious Troop and 360 Visor). Seems their role is much more of a stand-your-ground troop now.
Scylla and Drakios's Devabots are now named. Naturally, this means they both get Jungle Terrain...? Drakios also has access to the Red Fury weapon.
Atalanta's Spotbot is no longer a separate model. It's now a Tinbot E (Spotter) "marker".
Patroclus went from having the worst Holoprojector L1 to the best Holoprojector L3. His ODD is downgraded to a Mimetism if he wants to Duo with Achilles v2.0. Holoprojector L3 allows him to not only impersonate a model with Holo1, but also clone Holo Echoes with Holo2. You can run around with four Achilles v2.0s (lol)!
Penthesilea reduced 3pt and i-Kohl has some new rules. i-Kohl now across different levels can be used to reduce opponent mod or increase your own. Also, damage mod increases across levels. Penthesilea specifically can get +3 to self or -3 to opponent at +1damage each. Overall a slight nerf to Penthesilea considering she used to impose -6 to opponent; damage boost is irrelevant with her monofilament weapon.
Phoenix exchanges loses his Assault Pistol and gains a Heavy Pistol going up 5(!) points.
Posthumans got a rather nice buff. Inactive proxies can now declare AROs normally if an enemy crosses its LOF. If several Proxies would get an ARO, only one can actually become 'active' and take the ARO. If an active Proxy is killed or goes unconscious, another Proxy automatically goes active. No more need for Netrods. Proxy Mk1s reduced 4pt. Proxy Mk3s reduced 5pt. Proxy Mk4 can take HMG or HRocketLauncher at ARM5. Proxy Mk5 is a cheap option ARM3 FO specialist(!) for 10pt or a Mk12.
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Misc observations:
Tinbot C is "Neurocinetics"
Tinbot D is "Albedo". For the first two turns of the game, the owner gets a White Noise effect becoming invisible to MSV.
Tinbot E is "Spotter"
Feuerbach now has a secondary fire mode giving it Burst 1 EXP. They're also innately much more acctuate at long ranges having +3 from 16-32 and +0 from 32-48.
Red Fury is DAM13, Burst 4, Shock Ammo. It's not the BTS/Plasma Spitfire people were thinking it was.
SMGs can now choose between identical profiles firing AP or Shock ammo.
Vorpal Ammo like the Samaritan's Predator Throwing-Disc is a Monofilament weapon that can be 'thrown' up to 8". It returns to its thrower.
If a hackable Holoprojector L1 troop enters the ZoC of an enemy hacker, their hackability becomes Public Information even if the thing they're disguised as isn't hackable.
Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed.
Lo-Tech is basically a transformation. Once the Lo-Tech profile loses all W/STR, they get their Battle-Ravaged form.
If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!
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Also, concept art from a long time ago because nobody posted them recently:
Xeodron Batroids: Haris-linkable TAGs.
Overdron Batroids: TAGs with heavy weapons. Gets the "White Noise" Tinbot.
Glad Sekbans have got a slight boost, they'll now be even more of an attractive option after the last changes (which is great as they are nice miniatures)
Knight wrote: Bioscanner level 1 ignores the penalty for discover impersonation state level 1.
Bioscanner level 2, it has benefits of bioscanner level 1, however it also adds +3 MOD to discover against impersonation marker, regardless of the state of the impersonation marker (IMP -1, IMP -2).
They both ignore Surprise Shot by Holoprojector or Surprise Shot when in CC with impersonation marker.
My Bao SWAT team is looking better and better!
I now have a reason to buy even more stuff - this shopping list is getting more and more expensive every day.
Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed
They made a comment about Achilles & Patroclus forming a duo link and using the Holo2 to make it look like 4 copies of Achilles.
That was in one of the BoW video.
Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed
They made a comment about Achilles & Patroclus forming a duo link and using the Holo2 to make it look like 4 copies of Achilles.
That was in one of the BoW video.
Bolts not getting a buff is meh.
But NCA sure as hell got a buff! Haris or duo ORCs! Blackfriar AVA1... reduction in Attack Drone cost. And most important of all...
LOCUSTS!
There is? There's a lot of manufacturers that make tokens, and if you look around facebook and various forums, plenty of garage manufacturers. I can think of 4 commercial companies off the top of my head that make tokens - Lasertouch (though currently only wound tokens, but they do silhouettes and templates), Microart Studios, Customeeple and Warsen.al.
CB seems to like consolidating things together as shown with the Support packs of doc+engi+2bots. Considering the Janissaries and Hector came with models for their own tinbot, it's unlikely they'll be released separately.
Plus, with some models like Hector and the Overdron Batroids come with tinbots compulsory. If they have the space, they'll probably put them in. Most models that come with Koalas also have them compulsory, so models like the O-Yoroi and such simply have them as models.
Micky wrote: Nah i mean like actual little models. I dunno if CB is gonna start offering koalas and tinbots and pandas for seperate sale.
They do. This is the issue I have with those models to begin with. They're not meant to be models. They're all markers in the game rules. CB just decided to make models for them because little robot pandas and koalas and other little robots are cute. We actually missed out on a Jannisary so they could throw a tinbot in their box when we have perfectly good tinbot markers.
We've already got bits and pieces floating around. I'm sure somebody's taken the time to scan the whole thing in by now anyway.
The real reason to buy the dead tree version is the fluff and preorder mini anyway.
I would guess the PDF would be up shortly after the physical release.
We don't know precisely when that is. Preorders go until April 27th; which means HSN3 will likely be a May release for the US and ROW.
As Noir said though, they're saying that Human Sphere N3 becomes ITS legal May 5-8th, somewhere in there. Whenever it becomes ITS legal we'll get the PDFs for the unit stats, the PDFs for the rules, and Army 6 updated to include the units.
In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!
Kanluwen wrote: In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!
Do CB releases usually contain a box and blisters? I'm trying to guess when Shock Army starter could make an appearance. I'm guessing September, though I wouldn't mind it as early as August.
Kanluwen wrote: In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!
Do CB releases usually contain a box and blisters? I'm trying to guess when Shock Army starter could make an appearance. I'm guessing September, though I wouldn't mind it as early as August.
We haven't had any indication of the SAA starter being redone yet.
This year is focusing on Yu Jing, and after the Uhlan we're supposed to start seeing SAA get some love for PanO.
As for their monthly releases:
It's usually a mixture of boxes and blisters, sometimes with a book in the mix taking the place of the blisters.
Absolutionis wrote: If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!
Isn't this already in the current ITS? It's why people put mines in a corner and next to the civilian.
Not ITS; it's in the core rules, IIRC.
IIRC, it's not actually possible to target the HVT directly. Mine won't detonate if they would affect a HVT, for example.
The only way to actually risk hitting them is by shooting at a model in B2B contact with a HVT, IIRC.
Absolutionis wrote: If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!
Isn't this already in the current ITS? It's why people put mines in a corner and next to the civilian.
Not ITS; it's in the core rules, IIRC.
IIRC, it's not actually possible to target the HVT directly. Mine won't detonate if they would affect a HVT, for example.
The only way to actually risk hitting them is by shooting at a model in B2B contact with a HVT, IIRC.
You can technically kill HVTs/Civvies with models that have the Explode skill. (You're not actually targeting the HVT, they're just caught in one of the rare AOEs that aren't caused by some targeting)
Absolutionis wrote: If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!
Isn't this already in the current ITS? It's why people put mines in a corner and next to the civilian.
Not ITS; it's in the core rules, IIRC.
IIRC, it's not actually possible to target the HVT directly. Mine won't detonate if they would affect a HVT, for example.
The only way to actually risk hitting them is by shooting at a model in B2B contact with a HVT, IIRC.
You can technically kill HVTs/Civvies with models that have the Explode skill. (You're not actually targeting the HVT, they're just caught in one of the rare AOEs that aren't caused by some targeting)
True, I forgot about those. Like with shooting, you would have to be trying to lose the game, or be really desperate, for that to happen (says someone who push a civilian through a monofilament mesh in the Paradisio campaign.)
Absolutionis wrote: If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!
Isn't this already in the current ITS? It's why people put mines in a corner and next to the civilian.
Not ITS; it's in the core rules, IIRC.
IIRC, it's not actually possible to target the HVT directly. Mine won't detonate if they would affect a HVT, for example.
The only way to actually risk hitting them is by shooting at a model in B2B contact with a HVT, IIRC.
You can technically kill HVTs/Civvies with models that have the Explode skill. (You're not actually targeting the HVT, they're just caught in one of the rare AOEs that aren't caused by some targeting)
True, I forgot about those. Like with shooting, you would have to be trying to lose the game, or be really desperate, for that to happen (says someone who push a civilian through a monofilament mesh in the Paradisio campaign.)
Monomine no longer leave behind a mesh. But, yeah not linkey to happen even Explode can be by passed by the unit.
So, I must have missed it somewhere, but do we know if FRRM and SEF are still playable in an "official" capacity?
I know we're waiting on their revamps, and that they don't have updated army lists in HSN3, but they still have N3 army lists from the rulebook. I'm hoping it's a case of "yeah, those are still ITS-legal, they're just not getting any updates (except for any old units that got new profiles)".
Noir wrote: Monomine no longer leave behind a mesh. But, yeah not linkey to happen even Explode can be by passed by the unit.
OK, I forgot what browser tab I was looking at and thought Monomine was some sort of Japanese name. "Princess Monomine", that sort of thing. Now I can't stop reading it that way; it sounds rather pretty... <3
Just so long as they're not getting temporarily Squatted. I know CB wouldn't do that - I know no good company in their right mind would - but the silence was making me paranoid...
I don't even play either (was going to start FRRM eventually, now very much looking forward to the revamp), I was just curious!
Just so long as they're not getting temporarily Squatted. I know CB wouldn't do that - I know no good company in their right mind would - but the silence was making me paranoid...
I don't even play either (was going to start FRRM eventually, now very much looking forward to the revamp), I was just curious!
Caskuda says hi.
He says the Exrah are doing just fine out in the void next to the Squats, thank you.
(I doubt it'll happen to any more, but never deal in absolutes #irony)
The Exrah were not "squatted". They, as befitting their insect nature, metamorphosized...into universal proxies
Consider that the Exrah were never a faction unto themselves. The Squats were. CB would have to completely remove a faction, or a sectorial, to "squat" them. The removal of a few units-- five?-- from a faction hardly constitutes a proper "squatting". Still, it was dumb to remove them instead of releasing some legacy profiles, and making them mercs available only to the CA, and only in non ITS games.
Maybe one month until we all start getting HS. #Tryingmypatience
The next big Con where CB attends is Ficzone in Granada, at the end of this month. Any news on what to expect,if anything?
The Exrah was a tough choice, Cascuda while a magnificent model, never payed for its construction, the Exrach line never became even close to liked despite many attempts to make it work, stopping the line was a tough choice, but, if they left legacy profiles a few people would demand miniatures that would not happen and this is more problematic than simply stopping the line.
Pumpkin wrote: So, I must have missed it somewhere, but do we know if FRRM and SEF are still playable in an "official" capacity?
I know we're waiting on their revamps, and that they don't have updated army lists in HSN3, but they still have N3 army lists from the rulebook.
Do they? I mean, all the units in those sectorals are obviously useable in Ariadna or Combined Army forces, but the 3rd edition Sectoral army lists are only available in the Unit Profiles PDF and Infinity Army, both of which will no doubt be updated when HS 3rd edition is released. Whether those two Sectorals get grandfathered in is unclear.
Oh, believe me, I'm still sore over the Exrah being written out. I'm not usually fond of aliens in human-centric sci-fi, but those militant capitalist bugs wormed their way into my heart. I like the Shasvastii and EI, too, but the Exrah were my faves.
CB may have nipped them in the bud (I saw potential in them, but I grudgingly accept their rationale), but squatting an entire, already-existing faction would have been a whole other ball game.
Pumpkin wrote: So, I must have missed it somewhere, but do we know if FRRM and SEF are still playable in an "official" capacity?
I know we're waiting on their revamps, and that they don't have updated army lists in HSN3, but they still have N3 army lists from the rulebook.
Do they? I mean, all the units in those sectorals are obviously useable in Ariadna or Combined Army forces, but the 3rd edition Sectoral army lists are only available in the Unit Profiles PDF and Infinity Army, both of which will no doubt be updated when HS 3rd edition is released. Whether those two Sectorals get grandfathered in is unclear.
This was precisely my fear. I see now that there's no reason they can't just keep them in, and that the only reason everyone else got new army lists is because theirs actually changed. No new list means the old one's still valid, is what I'm hoping CB are intending.
I'm liking the way that CB are getting a chance to embrace their inner Neon Genesis Evangelion in a faction.
Whilst the rest of the design work is gradually drifting away from the 80s manga look, they still have a place for it with CA; which is fine because, aliens...
Chillreaper wrote: I'm liking the way that CB are getting a chance to embrace their inner Neon Genesis Evangelion in a faction.
Whilst the rest of the design work is gradually drifting away from the 80s manga look, they still have a place for it with CA; which is fine because, aliens...
Was watching GITS 2.0 last night and I thought the same thing.
They're forging their own look, which isn't a bad thing I guess.
Knight wrote: How big is this boy supposed to be? The snorkels are probably going to be easily skippable element during assembly.
I would expect it to be about the same size as the Sphinx. Hopefully it won't be as badly priced as the Sphinx, because that thing is so not worth its cost.
I'm guessing money - €30,95 for a fairly small, rather spindly model just because it happens to qualify as a TAG does seem like rather poor value compared to the rest of the range.
(And I can't imagine there's too many players around who'd complain the sphinx isn't good enough for it's points - certainly not after having seen it in action once or twice).
I'm wondering if anyone has ever done anything so ultra-nerdy as weight:retail price comparisons of models.
I know that there are a lot of factors involved in pricing: design time, moulds, raw materials, packaging etc. but just the weight of something like an individual Gecko (another mini-TAG) and I reckon that there's enough metal in it to make up a full six model S2 box.
Yeah, I was referring to the real world cost of the Sphinx. The in-game point cost is fine as the Sphinx is a bit a beast, but in terms of cold, hard cash? Totally not worth it.
Did not IJW post the weight of the Morat Starter box right after it released? It was much pricier than the other starter boxes, due to the inclusion of the massive Sogarat. The number of pieces in a mini also influence the price. Requires more labor. All that stuff is hand packed.
I'm wondering what preview we get this week. Page roll over coming soon, so to refresh everyone's memory about April's releases...
Red Harvest wrote: Did not IJW post the weight of the Morat Starter box right after it released? It was much pricier than the other starter boxes, due to the inclusion of the massive Sogarat. The number of pieces in a mini also influence the price. Requires more labor. All that stuff is hand packed.
Red Harvest wrote: Did not IJW post the weight of the Morat Starter box right after it released? It was much pricier than the other starter boxes, due to the inclusion of the massive Sogarat. The number of pieces in a mini also influence the price. Requires more labor. All that stuff is hand packed.
I'm wondering what preview we get this week. Page roll over coming soon, so to refresh everyone's memory about April's releases...
Cool. I was expecting a browser app that could run off-line. This is better.
The Linux version is in a RAR file. That is odd, for a Linux archive. But probably not as odd as having a Linux version in the first place, IMHO. It seems to work well enough though...
Android application would be amazing. There's the potential for having offline infinity wiki that could be connected with the army app. I game in places without wireless internet connection and I want to be frugal with my data transfers.
TalonZahn wrote: What is the normal day of the month that Infinity puts out the new releases?
There isn't one.
Seriously. Their schedule is about as tight as a gossipy person's mouth.
In general, you'll see the releases for the month posted anywhere from the 20th to the very last day of the month(sometimes the first week of the following month). Places like The Warstore will have preorders up that day(assuming it's not a Sunday) and then it becomes the waiting game for their stock to come in, which usually is the middle of the following month.
It's why for a long time I would refer to releases with terms like "Suchandsuch is an Octobember" release.
That is a nice looking Umbra. I really like how the purple looks on him. When I get to mine, I may have to deviate from my desert scheme and give him a black/purple scheme.
It's for a painting contest. Sometimes people like to do 50/50 schemes which are harder to get right, but when they do, they're super eye catching. Worked on that model.
Idk if it's news, but I certainly missed it before:
Fireteam: Duo
There is no limit of Fireteam: Duos active on the table that you can have. It is time to see those couples of Heavy Infantry giving headaches to the enemy
!
Talk about order efficiency. Imagine what Yu Jing could do with all their HI whenever that third sectorial comes out.
Idk if it's news, but I certainly missed it before:
Fireteam: Duo
There is no limit of Fireteam: Duos active on the table that you can have. It is time to see those couples of Heavy Infantry giving headaches to the enemy
!
Talk about order efficiency. Imagine what Yu Jing could do with all their HI whenever that third sectorial comes out.
and by extension Firetimes can stay linked all the way down to 2 models.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Talk about order efficiency. Imagine what Yu Jing could do with all their HI whenever that third sectorial comes out.
Topic. We'll see, Yu Jing received a lot of love. Although I don't think any HI of theirs got Haris in the profile, it makes ORC somewhat special for now.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Talk about order efficiency. Imagine what Yu Jing could do with all their HI whenever that third sectorial comes out.
Topic. We'll see, Yu Jing received a lot of love. Although I don't think any HI of theirs got Haris in the profile, it makes ORC somewhat special for now.
Wu Ming can duo. They've received a little buff in HS, but they're still no ORC troops.
JSA have some HI duo & haris options, but none of their HI really function like normal counterparts in other lists
Wu Ming and Shang Ji have duo. Shang Ji are simply amazing, I envy other factions and how much flexibility they have. For some reason ORC have only tinbot level 1 in comparison to others.
Knight wrote: Wu Ming and Shang Ji have duo. Shang Ji are simply amazing, I envy other factions and how much flexibility they have. For some reason ORC have only tinbot level 1 in comparison to others.
I see the Su-Jian have duo for ISS is that what you mean? Or can Shang Ji have duo for vanilla Yu Jing?
I don't have the book yet :-/ and the 4chan page I was using seems to have done dark...
Knight wrote: Wu Ming and Shang Ji have duo. Shang Ji are simply amazing, I envy other factions and how much flexibility they have. For some reason ORC have only tinbot level 1 in comparison to others.
I see the Su-Jian have duo for ISS is that what you mean? Or can Shang Ji have duo for vanilla Yu Jing?
I don't have the book yet :-/ and the 4chan page I was using seems to have done dark...
If you take a EVO Hacker you can run a progrom that allows Duo, in vanilla lists.
And if you go second you can have the Duo link going from Deployment, but I think it costs a CT to do it.
Knight wrote: Wu Ming and Shang Ji have duo. Shang Ji are simply amazing, I envy other factions and how much flexibility they have. For some reason ORC have only tinbot level 1 in comparison to others.
I see the Su-Jian have duo for ISS is that what you mean? Or can Shang Ji have duo for vanilla Yu Jing?
I don't have the book yet :-/ and the 4chan page I was using seems to have done dark...
If you take a EVO Hacker you can run a progrom that allows Duo, in vanilla lists.
And if you go second you can have the Duo link going from Deployment, but I think it costs a CT to do it.
People keep saying that but I'm sure you actually can. You spend the command token on the EVO right before the opponent start but after you deployed, which is where you usually announce link teams. If you go second, you can choose to have an active EVO-Gadet program at the cost of a CT but you still have to pay an additional CT to form a link when it's your turn. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Guys, take it to our regular forum. We had a nice one, but nobody used it, so now we have to share with "More Sci-Fi Games". We're in the same forum as Star Wars. Star Wars, people! It's humiliating.
Knight wrote: Wu Ming and Shang Ji have duo. Shang Ji are simply amazing, I envy other factions and how much flexibility they have. For some reason ORC have only tinbot level 1 in comparison to others.
I see the Su-Jian have duo for ISS is that what you mean? Or can Shang Ji have duo for vanilla Yu Jing?
I don't have the book yet :-/ and the 4chan page I was using seems to have done dark...
If you take a EVO Hacker you can run a progrom that allows Duo, in vanilla lists.
And if you go second you can have the Duo link going from Deployment, but I think it costs a CT to do it.
People keep saying that but I'm sure you actually can. You spend the command token on the EVO right before the opponent start but after you deployed, which is where you usually announce link teams. If you go second, you can choose to have an active EVO-Gadet program at the cost of a CT but you still have to pay an additional CT to form a link when it's your turn. Correct me if I'm wrong.
our wrong , Gadet progarm can effect in the Deployment Phase so the link would be in effect from your opponents first Active Turn. How the link is formed if you use the progarm later, is another thing.
Red Harvest wrote: Guys, take it to our regular forum. We had a nice one, but nobody used it, so now we have to share with "More Sci-Fi Games". We're in the same forum as Star Wars. Star Wars, people! It's humiliating.
Meant to mention in Nuts and Bolts about that actually. I think it's pretty crazy that Infinity/Star Wars/DZC etc. (and Warmachine for that matter) are lower down in the forum list than the GW un-supported games section..
The GW specialist games are now appearing again with Execution force, Calth, Imperial Renegade and the Genestealer one so the section is (no longer) unsupported
Tikbalang/Uhlan
Bashi Bazouk-- loadout unknown (by me anyway)
Kosuil with Boarding Shotgun
Xeodron Batroid
Miyamoto Musashi
Onyx Army Pack
I have no idea if there are plans for more such offers. I would have expected this to be a GenCon deal, TBH. CB may have plans to do one for one sectorial in each faction. I guess the USAriadna one did well enough that they are doing this one.
Tikbalang/Uhlan
Bashi Bazouk-- loadout unknown (by me anyway)
Kosuil with Boarding Shotgun
Xeodron Batroid
Miyamoto Musashi
Onyx Army Pack
I have no idea if there are plans for more such offers. I would have expected this to be a GenCon deal, TBH. CB may have plans to do one for one sectorial in each faction. I guess the USAriadna one did well enough that they are doing this one.
Purportedly ISS will be getting one at some point.
Wow, 2 releases that I'm really looking forward to! They've obviously sorted the production issues with the MG then it sounds.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The GW specialist games are now appearing again with Execution force, Calth, Imperial Renegade and the Genestealer one so the section is (no longer) unsupported
Yes but that's not the point I was making. You've now got LoTR above the rising stars of X-Wing and Infinity, which seems like the forum has taken a step backwards. Anyway, will comment on N&B
Maghariba Guard video on CB's Facebook. Stupid Facebook videos changed their format and have become even more difficult to link. Go there to view it for the time being.
I am absolutely not buying any more Infinity until I paint those I've already got. I am sticking to that rule, and am just going to break it very briefly to get a pair of Maghariba Guard, then I will be utterly steadfast once again.
Darkjim wrote: I am absolutely not buying any more Infinity until I paint those I've already got. I am sticking to that rule, and am just going to break it very briefly to get a pair of Maghariba Guard, then I will be utterly steadfast once again.
I need to actually finish my old Mag. I have a ton of work I need to do on it though. :(
I do kind of wish they kept the profile for the old type as well though. Once again, I wish they had a section for legacy profiles for units that were removed from the game. Keep them non-ITS legal, but just keep them around.
Darkjim wrote: I am absolutely not buying any more Infinity until I paint those I've already got. I am sticking to that rule, and am just going to break it very briefly to get a pair of Maghariba Guard, then I will be utterly steadfast once again.
wp CB
Well, I understand thoroughly. My vow is 2 and only 2 orders a year, my birthday (which just passed, so I count the HS order as that) and Christmas. And that I must paint more minis than I order. (working on that). Maybe Christmas comes really early for me this year though. More likely though, I wait until I can add the Tikbalang and Bashi Bazouk to the order.
Alpharius wrote: I'm hoping that the Super Soldier Sectorial can field one!
Please?
Otherwise - dammit, that's another faction to the list!
Rumor is, and has always been, that Maggie will be available to all the new Haqq sectorials, so be of good cheer. I do not see CB limiting access to Maggie, given the supposed difficulties in producing it. Maybe the Khanate will do without.
Red Harvest wrote: Rumor is, and has always been, that Maggie will be available to all the new Haqq sectorials, so be of good cheer. I do not see CB limiting access to Maggie, given the supposed difficulties in producing it. Maybe the Khanate will do without.
'All the new sectorials but maybe not Khanate' is a roundabout way of saying Al Medinat, since we're only getting two new sectorials
It wasn't in the leaked Qapu Khalki or Hassassin sectorial lists. It doesn't fit thematically in Khanate (lost it's Braces so it can't even be argued to be a Halqa transport), and all speculation points to Al Medinat due to them being very expensive to make.
QK gets nomad TAGs / Scarface, and i don't see HB using TAGs since it doesn't fit their ethos... limiting it to one sectorial seems odd, sure, but look at all the other TAGs in the game - the same goes for them, too, in all but a few rare cases.
Red Harvest wrote: Rumor is, and has always been, that Maggie will be available to all the new Haqq sectorials, so be of good cheer. I do not see CB limiting access to Maggie, given the supposed difficulties in producing it. Maybe the Khanate will do without.
'All the new sectorials but maybe not Khanate' is a roundabout way of saying Al Medinat, since we're only getting two new sectorials
It wasn't in the leaked Qapu Khalki or Hassassin sectorial lists. It doesn't fit thematically in Khanate (lost it's Braces so it can't even be argued to be a Halqa transport), and all speculation points to Al Medinat due to them being very expensive to make.
It is indeed a roundabout way of saying it. In the past, I heard nothing about QK or HB ever getting Maggie. Most of the rumors I heard were before we knew about the size of the TAG, and the difficulties in producing it. I think CB might want to find a way to fit it into the Khanate. We'll see. I'm not sure what to expect of that sectorial anyway, apart from the Hunzakut and the Kum.
I wouldn't be against my QK dudes getting the Maggie, but I have severe doubts it will happen....but I am hoping the Caliphate is as awesome as it sounds so I can get in on that Sectorial as well as my QK.
Red Harvest wrote: Rumor is, and has always been, that Maggie will be available to all the new Haqq sectorials, so be of good cheer. I do not see CB limiting access to Maggie, given the supposed difficulties in producing it. Maybe the Khanate will do without.
'All the new sectorials but maybe not Khanate' is a roundabout way of saying Al Medinat, since we're only getting two new sectorials
It wasn't in the leaked Qapu Khalki or Hassassin sectorial lists. It doesn't fit thematically in Khanate (lost it's Braces so it can't even be argued to be a Halqa transport), and all speculation points to Al Medinat due to them being very expensive to make.
It is indeed a roundabout way of saying it. In the past, I heard nothing about QK or HB ever getting Maggie. Most of the rumors I heard were before we knew about the size of the TAG, and the difficulties in producing it. I think CB might want to find a way to fit it into the Khanate. We'll see. I'm not sure what to expect of that sectorial anyway, apart from the Hunzakut and the Kum.
Khanate is all fast stuff. it's essentially the Speed Freeks sectorial of the game. If the models aren't fast, they deploy forward. But so far they're all not standard military. So far we've heard it also includes Halqa (mechanised deployment), Hunzakut and Tuaregs (infiltrators). TAGs are fast, but I don't think the Maghariba fits in thematically, especially if the TAG is the Haqqislam militarys prized regiment. It's not going to be tied to a bunch of nomads (not Nomads) and drug pushers.
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Vain wrote: I wouldn't be against my QK dudes getting the Maggie, but I have severe doubts it will happen....but I am hoping the Caliphate is as awesome as it sounds so I can get in on that Sectorial as well as my QK.
People have Human Sphere already and it's not in the list of units they get.
It's not outside the realm of possibility that it could wind up in Khanate, but very few TAGs, or units in general, are available in multiple sectorials. The only TAG that comes to mind is the Iguana which is in Corregidor and Qapu Khalki, but I'm not super knowledgeable outside of Haqqislam.
It's very doubtful it'll be in Qapu Khalki or Bahram. People have Human Sphere, and it's not been reported that it's in their lists. CB have been aware that it's an expensive, difficult model to produce for a while, so if they intended to make it available to boost sales, they would have done it in Human Sphere.
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ImAGeek wrote: The current box for the Maghariba has the Caliphate sectorial logo on it.
Vain wrote: I wouldn't be against my QK dudes getting the Maggie, but I have severe doubts it will happen....but I am hoping the Caliphate is as awesome as it sounds so I can get in on that Sectorial as well as my QK.
QK already has the Nomad TAG and scarface, as much as I would love to get this.
I'm not put out though, was thinking of using my QK as standard Haqq in games for a bit of variety, this just tips the scales a bit more
Eagerly watching AG's FB page for pics of the MG (acronyms ahoy! )
In the meantime some pics of the lovely Human Sphere mini
Even worse, elevated tactical rock. Like it's surfing.
I'm wondering about the Bashi Bazouk. The Adepticon presentation slide referred to the release as Bashi Bazouks, with no reference to weapons. Could it be that we will see a Bashi Bazouks box? We'll know in a month...
One week left to pre-order HS and get that delightful mini.
Pacific wrote: Yes he's got a great pose, you can tell he's a hardened veteran (and knows he is bad-ass) just from the way he is standing.
If hardened bad-ass was what they were trying to achieve they shouldn't have gone with the "stupid private taking selfies at the range" pose. Nothing says the opposite of hardened veteran like silhouetting yourself as much as possible.
Would of made a good Lt pose but a completely awful sniper pose.
Edited because my phone likes to decide my words for me.
Red Harvest wrote: Even worse, elevated tactical rock. Like it's surfing.
I'm wondering about the Bashi Bazouk. The Adepticon presentation slide referred to the release as Bashi Bazouks, with no reference to weapons. Could it be that we will see a Bashi Bazouks box? We'll know in a month...
Pacific wrote: Yes he's got a great pose, you can tell he's a hardened veteran (and knows he is bad-ass) just from the way he is standing.
If hardened bad-ass was what they were trying to achieve they shouldn't have gone with the "stupid private taking selfies at the range" pose. Nothing says the opposite of hardened veteran like silhouetting yourself as much as possible.
Would of made a good Lt pose but a completely awful sniper pose.
Edited because my phone likes to decide my words for me.
Not all of the poses are representative of the unit in action though, you do get some of these 'display' like poses. Otherwise you are right yes that guy wouldn't be a veteran for very long standing around on the battlefield like that
I'm glad they do it as it means they are more attractive for painting, and one of the advantages of the silhouette system.
Hot swap the sniper rifle arm for a combi rifle arm and you would have an awesome Lt model.
An open pose is good for modeling for sure but I think the fact that he is standing on a rock says he is the field which then the pose makes him into a doof.
If the axe arm was like a binos arm I would say it's a passable non serious scouting pose.
Wayland Games (UK) are offering a pretty good Human Sphere/Bundle deal. Buy HS and get an extra £8 off a starter pack if you use code HUMANSPHEREN3 at the checkout.
Think all of the starter packs are eligible, might well use it to get the new CA pack..
Pacific wrote: Wayland Games (UK) are offering a pretty good Human Sphere/Bundle deal. Buy HS and get an extra £8 off a starter pack if you use code HUMANSPHEREN3 at the checkout.
Think all of the starter packs are eligible, might well use it to get the new CA pack..
Just a note the new CA starter is going to be part of the Onyx Army Box coming out in 2 months.
Only way I could have seen the Khanate getting a Maghariba is if it was an Ork-style looted Maghariba, kustom-fitted with a turbo-charged engine.
Now that the shiny new scorpion Mags are in, I'm sure some enterprising Khanate "businessmen" could offer Al-Medinat a good price on some of the old spiders...
Red Harvest wrote: Even worse, elevated tactical rock. Like it's surfing.
I'm wondering about the Bashi Bazouk. The Adepticon presentation slide referred to the release as Bashi Bazouks, with no reference to weapons. Could it be that we will see a Bashi Bazouks box? We'll know in a month...
Boxes are reserved for Linkable infantry.
Oh that's why we got Ghazi Muttawi'ah and Naffatun boxes.
The only TAGs available in more than one sectoral army are the Iguana, and soon, the Sphinx. So its kind of a rare thing really.
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That swivel rail is a cool touch. Makes the 360 visor make more sense when the tail can swivel to get better angles behind itself since the gun part of the tail doesn't look like it can rotate much.
Vain wrote: I was thinking the Anaconda was part of the MRRF and one of the Nomad Sectorials, but it doesn't appear to be part of any of the Nomad forces.
Yeah, it is pretty much only the Iggy isn't it.
If the Black Hand gets a Sectional there is a good chance the Anaconda will be a part of it.
Red Harvest wrote: Even worse, elevated tactical rock. Like it's surfing.
I'm wondering about the Bashi Bazouk. The Adepticon presentation slide referred to the release as Bashi Bazouks, with no reference to weapons. Could it be that we will see a Bashi Bazouks box? We'll know in a month...
Boxes are reserved for Linkable infantry.
Oh that's why we got Ghazi Muttawi'ah and Naffatun boxes.
Wait...
Naffatun aren't Linkable yet.
Ghazi are Warbands and were considered an exception.
Red Harvest wrote: Even worse, elevated tactical rock. Like it's surfing.
I'm wondering about the Bashi Bazouk. The Adepticon presentation slide referred to the release as Bashi Bazouks, with no reference to weapons. Could it be that we will see a Bashi Bazouks box? We'll know in a month...
Boxes are reserved for Linkable infantry.
Oh that's why we got Ghazi Muttawi'ah and Naffatun boxes.
Wait...
Naffatun aren't Linkable yet.
Ghazi are Warbands and were considered an exception.
Naffatun still might not be linkable. They're in the Caliphate sectorial, but there's been no mention that I know of that they will be linkable.
Ghazi are light infantry. It's a common misconception though. They lack the CC abilities that shove Irregular models into Warbands.
Micky wrote: The only TAGs available in more than one sectoral army are the Iguana, and soon, the Sphinx. So its kind of a rare thing really.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, just noticed... cut off the tail and its a dead ringer for the GitS spider tank, even has the same colour scheme.
It is, definitely. Even more so than the previous MG.
Love the look of it, you can imagine it moving stop-animation style like ED-209
Still no MG pics on AG's Facebook, just some step-by-step of how to cook chicken
Support specialists (doctor, engineer, palbots), Auxilia, Deva/devabot, Syclla and Draicos, Interventors were released in a box, if someone would want to add to nitpicking. I don't expect it for Bashi, as I don't see similarity between them and units that received a box release in the past.
I yearn for the Bashi Box, but I am doubting its happening. If twin packs were still a thing, then maybe that.
...though there have been a couple of twin packs but usually those have been promotional things (Achilles Twin pack) or particularly large things (Devil Dog + Antipode and Gecko packs) but the Veronin model (Col + Antipode) could be a toe in the water to going back to the doubles.
As always, expecting a single, but living in boundless optimism with the dream of a multi pack of some kind.
Vain wrote: I yearn for the Bashi Box, but I am doubting its happening. If twin packs were still a thing, then maybe that.
...though there have been a couple of twin packs but usually those have been promotional things (Achilles Twin pack) or particularly large things (Devil Dog + Antipode and Gecko packs) but the Veronin model (Col + Antipode) could be a toe in the water to going back to the doubles.
As always, expecting a single, but living in boundless optimism with the dream of a multi pack of some kind.
Voronin is still only one model. It's one base, and only one profile in the game.
. So should be up for preorder in a few weeks.
