AduroT wrote: ANOTHER new Joan? Is it the standard or mobile armor? Or something entirely new?
The standard one. They resculpted her as a limited edition for Angels first book, this will be the retail release of a resculpted Joan.
Finally...
And just to underscore this:
They did a limited edition sculpt of Joan for Angel's first book. Not his second, not some random thing he did once. His first book.
It's probably the angle and the fact that they are renders but the Riot Grrls seem very Gary Morley ish to me. Quite off body and head proportions and some relatively crude looking faces.
The giant toddler that accompanies them isn't a big plus either.
plastictrees wrote: It's probably the angle and the fact that they are renders but the Riot Grrls seem very Gary Morley ish to me. Quite off body and head proportions and some relatively crude looking faces.
The giant toddler that accompanies them isn't a big plus either.
The Tinbot is scaled up, it won't be that big. The Grrls themselves seem odd but I'm hoping proper photos of the actual models helps.
I'm quite excited about all the character they have but they certainly do seem a bit out of proportion in places. Like you both said, here's hoping it's the angles of the renders. I think that's quite a common problem!
The Nomad player in my group is not a fan at all of the Riot Grrls, but he's been after a combi rifle tinbot Brigada since the box came out. We're unlikely to get that profile but he's excited at the possibility of using the Riot Grrl arms and head off the Combi model on a female Brigada body. The head specifically because it looks like the Luxumbra Brigada head.
Finally, the Bagh-Mari HMG. Looks tableworthy. I'll get it. Now, the Acontecimento hacker? So I can "complete" my ASA.
The Ayyar... Has that Dr Doom look. At least I think it's Dr Doom. Not a comic book fan, really, me.
Major Lunah? Hunh? Is that the Wu Ming HRL pose? The Bagh Mari Sniper pose?
I like how the person-- IIRC, Riotgrrl from the official forums-- in the photo of the Riot Grrls has the Riot Grrl logo on her(?) jacket back.
A new Vedic for ALEPH? A sign of the end of the world, to be sure. Looks like it might make a nice enough proxy for the Naga minelayer. A ver.
I cannot tell much from these orange renders-- as I have already learned, so I'll reserve final judgment until I see the painted models. However, I do like the look of the Ayyar.
Haven't watched the video yet, any word on release schedules?
Red Harvest wrote: I like how the person-- IIRC, Riotgrrl from the official forums-- in the photo of the Riot Grrls has the Riot Grrl logo on her(?) jacket back.
Bostria asked her to get into the photo because one of them was sculpted to look like her.
Red Harvest wrote: I like how the person-- IIRC, Riotgrrl from the official forums-- in the photo of the Riot Grrls has the Riot Grrl logo on her(?) jacket back.
Bostria asked her to get into the photo because one of them was sculpted to look like her.
Which is pretty awesome. Unfortunately I missed the chance for them to sculpt a fat yuan yuan to look like me.
Well Kronk, they are available for pre-order until 3 April, so you'll have to act soon to get them. Wartsore and Gamenerdz have them. Miniature Market does not as of yet.
That's a nice little tribute then, the riot grrl sculpt. It is hard to see it though in that photo. The renders are, uhm, indistinct. Still, the best photo of a tribute mini announcement was of Psychotic Storm reacting to the Konstantinos Dire Foes mini announcement at GenCon.
Makes me wonder, since CB is starting up with the Vedics again, if they will do a tribute to the Cosplayer -- Yashia-- who did the Asuras ( and many other Infinity figures).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Who has ordered from Gamenerdz, and how satisfied were you in doing business with them? I'd rather not order the Fat Yuan Yuan from Wartsore.
Red Harvest wrote: Who has ordered from Gamenerdz, and how satisfied were you in doing business with them? I'd rather not order the Fat Yuan Yuan from Wartsore.
I've made a couple orders from them (including Red Veil preorder) and had no issues. Price was good, shipping was free, communication was fine, and I got my package in a timely manner.
Alpharius recommended them a while back. Tried them out. No problems from me either.
Their prices seemed too-good-to-be-true, but they delivered as advertised. Seems that their biggest shortcoming is that they don't stock everything from a certain line at a time.
Thanks guys. That does help. No worries about pre-orders being in stock, eh? If MM doesn't offer it this week, I'll get it from Gamenerdz. I have points with MM, so I get that discount coming.
Thanks Alpharius & TalonZahn. Lot's of satisfied customers... always a good sign. And good to know about the points/discounts things. I do love me a bargain. I do want those minis too. As a QK player, I can actually use them in game.
We have something coming out of the Adepticon this week-end? Will it be a re-hash of what we have already seen, which is quite a bit? A release schedule for April and May previews?
Ah Buzz, I always knew that he would end up that way. No impulse control. And a perfect paint scheme too.
The fellow who runs Warsenal is a decent guy too. I met him at a tournament some years ago. Warsenal makes quality stuff. (And to be immodest, I do know quality terrain.)
The terrain is sweet looking, but a bit small for my current tastes. Bigger buildings make for faster table set-up.
Ordered the Festively Plump Space Pirates from the GameNerdz. Breaks my pledge to buy no more minis until I paint the ones I have. Darned LE offerings
-Loki- wrote: So, not Corvus Belli, but official terrain. Warsen.al have previewed some new totally awesome terrain. I really, really need that Bourak terrain.
Lo Pans Noodle House.
Will I be attacked by ancestral evil sorcerers if I eat regularly there?
-Loki- wrote: The Haqqislam terrain is a lot bigger than it looks. You can fit a Maghariba Guard in the larger buildings main door.
Spoiler:
I wonder at what point does it become less expensive to doing certain details in lasercut (since if I recall $$ is usually based on lasercut time) vs doing metal or resin parts. The $125, now $110 price on that thing just makes it a bit steep. That is the range when it starts competing with resin cast buildings that have a lot less fiddly assembly.
Don't get me wrong, not knocking Warsen.al at all. I have quite a bit of their stuff and really do love it. I like what they have done with the designs and some of the facades. The lull of lasercut terrain though was to get nice looking product on a table at a fraction of the cost of traditional terrain pieces. $100 is half the cost to normally be able to buy a whole table of terrain, instead of one building.
I wonder if anyone does not. They introduced Lo Pan's Noodle Bar some time ago (August of last year) , in the Operation Red Veil starter box. Kurt Russell's 2nd best movie. (Y'all know which is his best. Don't y'all dare say "Tango & Cash" either )
Red Harvest wrote: The terrain is sweet looking, but a bit small for my current tastes. Bigger buildings make for faster table set-up.
The Haqqislam terrain is a lot bigger than it looks. You can fit a Maghariba Guard in the larger buildings main door.
That looks maybe 10"x10"? I couldn't find the dimensions on the www.Warsen.al site, I meant things that are at least 12" by 12" or larger-- with space for scatter pieces. Warsenal has done a few pieces like that. These new releases don't look quite that big. However, they are modular.
Infinity needs more terrain that is "Maggie-Friendly."
-Loki- wrote: The Haqqislam terrain is a lot bigger than it looks. You can fit a Maghariba Guard in the larger buildings main door.
Spoiler:
I wonder at what point does it become less expensive to doing certain details in lasercut (since if I recall $$ is usually based on lasercut time) vs doing metal or resin parts. The $125, now $110 price on that thing just makes it a bit steep. That is the range when it starts competing with resin cast buildings that have a lot less fiddly assembly.
Don't get me wrong, not knocking Warsen.al at all. I have quite a bit of their stuff and really do love it. I like what they have done with the designs and some of the facades. The lull of lasercut terrain though was to get nice looking product on a table at a fraction of the cost of traditional terrain pieces. $100 is half the cost to normally be able to buy a whole table of terrain, instead of one building.
There's plenty of that around as well. But it tends to be square and rectangle boxes with etched detail. Warsen.al sells stuff like that as well, their Alpha/Beta/Delta range. It's fine for filling up a table nice and cheap and fast. But the market is really filled with that. Off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen places that sell cheap, basic, low detail MDF terrain, some of them in bundles with an ITS spec objective room even if they aren't official partners.
I was musing about this the other night, there's more third party manufacturers pumping out more third party terrain than there was for 40k making extra bits. The amount of terrain out there is insane, because someone just needs a basic laser cutter, some skill with CAD-like programs and the will to make a boxy building with some line detail. Somewhere there will be a market for that and people will buy it in quantities to justify that persons weekend hobby making it. Sculpting bits like weapons and actual human-like figures, 3D or traditional sculpting, is much more difficult.
So places like Warsen.al, Warmill, Antenocities Workshop, Miniature Scenery, etc seem to have shifted gears to providing much more detailed terrain. Rather than just etched on detail, they do multiple layers of detail. Where a simpler building will etch on borders around a window and borders at corners, they will have that and extra layers of parts to put over the window or corner. They will have layers to hide join lines and pegs. Chances are where an air vent is located, which looks like extraneous detail, there's 3 peg holes in the wall for interior raised floors to connect to. They do curved surfaces with plasticard or carstock, or they include some actual interior terrain.
A good example of somewhere that does it all is Zen Terrain. You've got the usual cheap, boxy hab buildings, L-shaped building and medical building. These are pretty basic with mostly etched on details and few layers, and no interiors. Then you've got the Police Station and Biker Bar.
It results in much more expensive products, because they've got an extra sheet or two of parts, acrylic peices, interior details, cardstock peices, etc. Also in the early days these companies were still finding their feet with the technology and what they could do with it, so they were putting out more basic pieces simply because it's what they knew how to do. As their skill level increased, so did the complexity of their products. These days, with both basic and complex MDF terrain being offered, usually by the same company, it just depends on the money you want to spend.
edit - specifically about resin terrain, I've experienced nothing that tells me it's better for the type of terrain you want with Infinity. It gets more organic shapes, but when you've got to deal with filling in air bubbles, fixing mold slippage, cleaning mold lines, removing casting tabs, etc I just find MDF easier and more tolerable to work with. If I'm looking for alien looking terrain I'd look at resin. If I'm looking for human cyberpunk terrain, resin doesn't do anything that MDF can't, and well made MDF buildings look just as good as resin buildings with enough effort from the creator, like those Bourak buildings.
That looks maybe 10"x10"? I couldn't find the dimensions on the www.Warsen.al site, I meant things that are at least 12" by 12" or larger-- with space for scatter pieces.
That looks maybe 10"x10"? I couldn't find the dimensions on the www.Warsen.al site, I meant things that are at least 12" by 12" or larger-- with space for scatter pieces.
13" x 12.5" x 7" tall
The gencon exclusive Studio B (which is still available - guess they didn't sell as many as they thought) is pretty big as well - 13" x 11" x 8.5" tall.
Yeah, that Noodle Hut is thr bee's knees. Someday, I will have one.
I absolutely understand people's comments about bigger terrain, but a big part of Infinity's appeal for me is the setting; not bombed-out husks of buildings, but actual inhabited cities. Using a stool or cash register to stop a bullet is far more interesting to me.
At last! The proper Baconland scenario. I approve. Now we await the minis themselves. Pre-order ends 3 April. I reckon sometime around 17-19 April they will begin shipping, at least from Wartsore. I have no idea about the time-frame from GameNerdz. Miniature Market has yet to list them as available for order. Meh. I took y'all's advice and ordered from GameNerdz last week.
The terrain piece is a good size then, at 13" x 12.5" x 7" tall. I've found that 4-5 large buildings and maybe an equal amount of medium sized buildings, plus scatter, make for a nice table. Room for the TAGs, but not a Chainrifle/Flamethrower paradise either. Height, building height, is something neglected too.
That piggie is the ugly thing that comes with the Yu Jing "Dragon Lady" HVT. I just threw mine in the bits box. The noodle boxes are the tactical debris that the Noodle Yuan Yuan is standing on top of.
I guess having it associated with the Fat Yuan Yuans would make sense. Good to find a use for it after all.
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You know, with April 1st coming up, it would have been a rather interesting gag this year if the Fat Yuan Yuan was unveiled then.
Chibi pig is completely grotesque and I love it. Imagine having that thing as a pet. If they made those markers I'd buy them instantly for absolutely no good reason.
Corvus Belli will include 6 Golden tickets inside the boxes of fat Yuan Yuan. The lucky to find one achieved: 1 Shirt Fat Yuan Yuan, 1 Patch Fat Yuan Yuan, 1 special marker of interplanetary iv and... a visit to corvus belli! Travel expenses and accommodation not included (valid until 30/12/2018)
I'm hoping for the Ayyar. That was HSN3's one unit where I saw it and had to try it. I hate proxying myself (though I don't mind others doing it) so I've never tried it.
Though the Ayyar release does call into question what's next for Haqqislam. Last I checked, the Ayyar will mark every unit having a model released. Qapu Khalki and Hassassin Bahram, outside of resculpts and models for existing profiles are done. Ramah Taskforce is a long way off still so I don't see Zhayedan and Khawarij boxes for a while.
Well, we've seen the renders for the Ayyar, so chances are good that he's coming very soon. Time for some new Haqq profiles in the near future? Maybe? I can see them going back and resculpting a lot of the Bahram units. Maybe some new boxes, like Ragiks?
Considering they put out this sniper shot all the way back in February and that the render was featured in the last seminar, I'm gonna' go ahead and guess on we'll see the Gecko pilot as May release.
Well then we have:
-Gorgos Pilot
-Gecko Pilots-- almost without doubt, just to complete the pilot releases.
And the renders seen at the Rt. 66 Rumble:
-Bagh-Mari HMG -Zhangying w/Combi and goofily sculpted greatcoat.
-Minutemen box
-Airborne Ranger with Molotok
-Highlander Grays T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Mormaers T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Caledonian Volunteers box or in starter box(?)
-Sukuel Command w/ML -Hassassin Ayyar
-Merc Major Lunaah
-Riot Grrls and the megacephalic tinbot box
-Danavas Hacker
Rumors of Hospitallers box and a new Jeanne D'Arc too.
So any 3 of them for this month. Take you pick. Something Caledonian? Maybe the starter (3 Volunteers, Mormaer, Highlander Gray and a Wulver)
Regarding the upcoming "Strikezone Wotan", we got some really interesting images...
Wotan Blockade at the start
PanOceanian Defense Platform
Haqqislam's "base"
Yu Jing Frigate
O-12 Security Module(serving as Ariadna's "home base"; O-12 has been using Ariadnan Expeditionary Forces for defense of the orbitals and the like at PanOceania since the AEF can't be sepsitorized by Voodoo Tech as they lack Cubes)
Nomad Shipyard
Also, for those unfamiliar with it the "Wotan Blockade" got introduced in Campaign: Paradiso.
It's part of the "Access Blockade"; the third defensive ring established around the wormholes connecting Paradiso with the rest of the Human Sphere.
Wotan links to Svalarheima. Daybreak links to Dawn(Ariadna) Abyss links to the edge of the Human Sphere; called "Human Edge". Sheyk links to Bourak.
Huh, first thought upon seeing that picture was "Relic Entertainment", as I thought I saw a batch of Tau drones and a Homeworld ship in the background.
Barzam wrote: Well, we've seen the renders for the Ayyar, so chances are good that he's coming very soon. Time for some new Haqq profiles in the near future? Maybe? I can see them going back and resculpting a lot of the Bahram units. Maybe some new boxes, like Ragiks?
Bostria said likely May for the Ayyar, but even if it pushes to August, it still means that's every unit represented.
I could see resculpts coming. Haqq are the most rescultped faction, after all. Both Bahram and QK have a lot of 2nd and even 1st edition sculpts, and some unfinished unit resculpts. Ragik box I don't see, they're AVA 4 in Bahram and 2 have blisters already. A double blister with 2 basic Rifles, possibly. A single blister with a Rifle, more likely. Most likely is the Rifle Ragik being in a resculpted Bahram starter. There's also a Rifle profile for Bashi Bazouks that needs a resculpt. There's an Asawira Boarding Shotgun profile, which I really hope leads to an Asawira box.
But I wouldn't say no to entirely new units sneaking in for RTF. Especially the new super soldiers.
Ah, these are the rumored May releases ( and thus previewed in April) according to Mayacast.
-- O-Yoroi Pilot-- I think a certain Dutchman will be happy. Well, as happy as someone who lives below sea level can truly be. No news on what it will look like. Best guess: Same body as the Luxumbra LE minis, but with different arms.
-- Gorgos Pilot -- we knew that already.
-- Gecko Pilot-- we figured that out.
-- Minuteman box-- we've just seen the video.
-- Major Lunaah-- The merc. Puzzled by this. Is this a Manga character, like Knob?
Also, repacks of the Zerats, the ORCs (no resculpts? C'mon already, CB ) and the Dactyls with Yudbots. (a support box for Steel Phalanx, presumably done in preparation for the release of the Steel Phalanx Army box.) I think the first two will be blisters of 2. Cutting down SKUs again.
Ayyar may be a may preview, June release. My guess.
The style of some of the concept art for Operation: Wotan ( It begins on a Wednesday? ) reminds me of some of the concept art I saw for that Elysium movie. I wonder if CB used the same artists?
Well, the updated renders to releases list:
-Bagh-Mari HMG -Zhangying w/Combi and goofily sculpted greatcoat.
-Minutemen box -Airborne Ranger with Molotok
-Highlander Grays T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Mormaers T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Caledonian Volunteers box or in starter box(?)
-Sukuel Command w/ML -Hassassin Ayyar
-Merc Major Lunaah -Riot Grrls and the megacephalic tinbot box
-Danavas Hacker
IIRC they said some combination of those models would be in the starter and some in an SWC box. Also IIRC they didn't show all of the renders. Sounds like it's a 3 in the starter, 4 in SWC box deal. They just picked 5 renders to show in a group.
I love it, but the Swiss Guard putting a hand to his helmet like he's receiving a radio call annoys me a little. It's an enclosed suit of power armour, is he really having trouble hearing?
.Mikes. wrote: I love it, but the Swiss Guard putting a hand to his helmet like he's receiving a radio call annoys me a little. It's an enclosed suit of power armour, is he really having trouble hearing?
He didn't have a hanger handy to increase the reception from his rabbit ears.
.Mikes. wrote: I love it, but the Swiss Guard putting a hand to his helmet like he's receiving a radio call annoys me a little. It's an enclosed suit of power armour, is he really having trouble hearing?
Perhaps he is jiggling his helmet because his head is itchy and he isn't authorized to remove his helmet. I can assume that power armor can produce powerful itches.
I know it won't happen, but I would really love the Gecko pilot release to be a pair of models. Maybe just literally be the guys from Army of Two doing fist bumps.
Which begs the point of "Why wasn't it just included in the box"...
Because it would make the box be more expensive.
Did I miss the part where you mail in your proof of purchase and get the TAG Pilots free?
No, of course I didn't. They're not giving them away to people who already own it. Stop trying to pretend like this was done to save the customer some money.
It's part of the product. A Gorgos Pilot can't be used as anything other than a Gorgos Pilot, excepting for someone playing "Counts As".
Better question: Will this, and all the other pilots, be included in the box in the future? CB has stated a desire to reduce and consolidate SKUs. CB has released a fair number of new pilot minis. Seems logical to box the pilot with the TAG.
New releases/to be released:
Guijia
Gorgos
Gecko
Iguana
O-Yoroi
Raicho (and scindron)
Scarface (as a LE for now)
To go with:
Anaconda (already in the box, but still a pilot mini, but not an extra SKU)
Szalamandra
Lizard (as a bootleg)
Maghariba Guard (as a bootleg)
Red Harvest wrote: Better question: Will this, and all the other pilots, be included in the box in the future? CB has stated a desire to reduce and consolidate SKUs. CB has released a fair number of new pilot minis. Seems logical to box the pilot with the TAG.
New releases/to be released:
Guijia
Gorgos
Gecko
Iguana
O-Yoroi
Raicho (and scindron)
Scarface (as a LE for now)
To go with:
Anaconda (already in the box, but still a pilot mini, but not an extra SKU)
Szalamandra
Lizard (as a bootleg)
Maghariba Guard (as a bootleg)
They're still exceptions considering they're very combat-capable troops with a formidable weapon beyond a simple dinky pistol.
They're exceptions because they're Operators, not Pilots. Operators were designed to eject when the TAG dies to continue the fight. Pilots were an afterthought (they weren't even in the core book with the first manned TAGs - they were added in Human Sphere along with the Operator and Ejection System rules) which CB has now decided to do something with. Which is good, because it's a cool concept. But Operators are very different.
OMG, Dude! I just realized they tried (and failed) to spell LUNAH on her logo! "Lasiq sniper" on the Lasiq picture does look funny too but my Arabic is not enough to figure out what they meant
BrotherGecko wrote: Dear god CB needs to hire and Arabic translator so I can stop seeing Arabic letters in non-Arabic format.
JMMelo wrote: OMG, Dude! I just realized they tried (and failed) to spell LUNAH on her logo! "Lasiq sniper" on the Lasiq picture does look funny too but my Arabic is not enough to figure out what they meant
BrotherGecko wrote: Dear god CB needs to hire and Arabic translator so I can stop seeing Arabic letters in non-Arabic format.
Not only are the letters unconnected but they are backwards. Her crest says 'Hnul' hahaha. It should be لونا.
I also realized that they put رامي بمهارة and just say it means lasiq sniper lmao. Problem is, رامي just means 'rami' and بمهارة just means 'skillfully', it should be لسيق قباص, with قباص being sniper and لسيق being Arabic phonetic for Lasiq becaise I've no idea what that is supposed to mean.
I've seen similar complaints about the use of Cyrillic lettering and Chinese characters. Orthography is harder than it looks.
I still don't understand this mini. It's a mini for a profile that no one asked for, or even needed. It's not-- to my eyes-- visually compelling at all, nor does it come from any sort of deep Infinity background. Aristeia, yes, but IIRC that is mano-a-mano direct combat, the very anti-thesis of sniping. So many other minis and load-outs that players want to see released.
Red Harvest wrote: I still don't understand this mini. It's a mini for a profile that no one asked for, or even needed. It's not-- to my eyes-- visually compelling at all, nor does it come from any sort of deep Infinity background. Aristeia, yes, but IIRC that is mano-a-mano direct combat, the very anti-thesis of sniping. So many other minis and load-outs that players want to see released.
I do like the miniature. Reminds me the female Hunzakut or Uxía covert action, two miniatures I love so much.
Lunah seems an Sniper with Mimetism. Viral Sniper rifle is confirmed so... that seems like a gift from heaven for Imperial Service, really.
Also... I remember that there was a Wild Bill Aristeia! character from a fluff extract in one fo the books. Seems to me that the Maya Sport is not just a CC arena and pistols and rifles are allowed. Sounds to me like Infinity Deathmatch/Hunger Games, really.
So... if this Lunah is an Aristeia fighter, when are we going to see Wild Bill for USAriadna?
Red Harvest wrote: I still don't understand this mini. It's a mini for a profile that no one asked for, or even needed. It's not-- to my eyes-- visually compelling at all, nor does it come from any sort of deep Infinity background. Aristeia, yes, but IIRC that is mano-a-mano direct combat, the very anti-thesis of sniping. So many other minis and load-outs that players want to see released.
I do like the miniature. Reminds me the female Hunzakut or Uxía covert action, two miniatures I love so much.
Lunah seems an Sniper with Mimetism. Viral Sniper rifle is confirmed so... that seems like a gift from heaven for Imperial Service, really.
The point that Red Harvest is making, I think, is that it's yet another Mercenary with some variant of a Sniper Rifle.
We've had at least 3 in the past few years.
Knauf
Le Muet
Major Lunah
It's an overserved niche, and Imperial Service didn't need anything more in terms of Mercs in my mind.
Also... I remember that there was a Wild Bill Aristeia! character from a fluff extract in one fo the books. Seems to me that the Maya Sport is not just a CC arena and pistols and rifles are allowed. Sounds to me like Infinity Deathmatch/Hunger Games, really.
So... if this Lunah is an Aristeia fighter, when are we going to see Wild Bill for USAriadna?
We likely won't.
"Wild Bill" is a recreation. Ariadna doesn't take too kindly to those things.
And you'd think Lunah would be available to Haqqislam, but...all reports right now are that she'll be Imperial Service and generics--read: yet another boring merc.
Pretty much yeah, another mini that adds SKU bloat but does not bring anything special, either to the game or to the display case. Were the mini something more than what it is-- recycled pose with ho-hum details-- I might not be so harsh in my assessment.
There is the possibility that that profile might be something. So, I'll keep a slightly open mind. However, so many other units and profiles that need minis... if nothing else this release is a mis-placed priority.
A Jimmy Caan inspired mini might be interesting though.
Ah, I saw this bit of news, from Bostria, on the official forums. (Yes, I was slumming.) He is talking about the forthcoming O-Yoroi pilot.
Bostria wrote: It will be a totally different sculpt. Not just an arms swap. Different posing & action.
The Luxumbra 30mm. Model is based on the PinUp from the art Book.
The CB miniature is a different take on the Unit.
Interesting. I do hope it is better than the Guijia Pilot. S<shudder>.
Wonder why they're not repacking pilots with their TAG, if their aim is to reduce the number of blisters and boxes. It seems odd to rebox the old models who are due to resculpt (not implying it's not aligned with entire aim of reducing the space) but the new models who are similar to Iguana and her HI pilot are released on their own.
Knight wrote: Wonder why they're not repacking pilots with their TAG, if their aim is to reduce the number of blisters and boxes. It seems odd to rebox the old models who are due to resculpt but the new models who are similar to Iguana and her HI pilot are released on their own.
I have an inkling that it's because the TAGline rules won't be permanent.
Well that and it makes them more money this way. Got to have those weirdly consistent growth numbers to tout each year, after all.
Kanluwen wrote: I have an inkling that it's because the TAGline rules won't be permanent.
Distribution of Alive characters will be handled by an ITS winner, the last time I've followed that particular rumour. I have hard time seeing the possibility of reverting the changes to TAG.
Stop pretending that CB is looking out for the customers' interests when they do crap like this. They could have packaged these pilots with the TAGs when they were first sculpted. Just like they could have packaged the Uhlan and Tikbalangs in blisters or separate boxes.
There have been huge discussions, as you well know, surrounding how CB can make things both price and cost effective while also making customer friendly decisions. Releasing these pilots separately is not one of them.
It is, however, a decision that makes them the most money. Because Pilots are actually integral parts of the Manned TAG rules, seeing as how they can get affected by the "Expel" Hacking Program--making them (or a reasonable proxy) mandatory for play.
1) If they only packed the Pilots with the TAGs you would have a situation where many people would need to buy TAG box again at a higher price to get a Pilot figure -> Cue Community Outrage about making people buy expensive models again.
2) If they pack them as single figures people who haven't bought the TAGs complain they need to buy multiple items for effectively one unit -> Cue Community Outrage about forcing people to buy multiple items for effectively one unit
3) If the pack them both in the TAG box as well as individually then they are just bloating the amount of SKUs (TAG, TAG+Pilot, Pilot) -> Cue Community Outrage because it doesn't align with previous statements of trying to reduce SKU numbers.
Honestly it doesn't look like there is an "good" option there so why not go with the one that gets them money?
If we, as a community, are going to complain and lose our nanas about every possible option, then I could understand if they stopped listening to the many parts of the community and just did what they wanted regardless.
BrookM wrote: That reposed O-Yoroi pilot is rather disappointing.
If we, as a community, are going to complain and lose our nanas about every possible option, then I could understand if they stopped listening to the many parts of the community and just did what they wanted regardless.
That's a valid point that I did not consider until this text has appeared on my screen.
If the community behaves histerically, how long until they shut down the forums and pay no attention to the fanbase?
That could happen. Has happened before with other companies.
1) If they only packed the Pilots with the TAGs you would have a situation where many people would need to buy TAG box again at a higher price to get a Pilot figure -> Cue Community Outrage about making people buy expensive models again.
The argument they make against stuff like this is that Shae-Konnit and players split boxes to resell stuff. It's why they refuse to release models from starter sets that really should be available elsewhere or have alternate arms in boxes.
A notable example of this attitude was the Chasseur with Rifle from the generic Ariadna starter.
2) If they pack them as single figures people who haven't bought the TAGs complain they need to buy multiple items for effectively one unit -> Cue Community Outrage about forcing people to buy multiple items for effectively one unit
3) If the pack them both in the TAG box as well as individually then they are just bloating the amount of SKUs (TAG, TAG+Pilot, Pilot) -> Cue Community Outrage because it doesn't align with previous statements of trying to reduce SKU numbers.
Honestly it doesn't look like there is an "good" option there so why not go with the one that gets them money?
If we, as a community, are going to complain and lose our nanas about every possible option, then I could understand if they stopped listening to the many parts of the community and just did what they wanted regardless.
Here's the problem with this argument...
They actually DID do something that would have been an acceptable response, several times, in the past.
Look at when Bolts and the Tomcat Doctor or the JSA Doctor/Engineer(I can't remember which one) came out.
Bolts were available in a three model blister at the same time as the NCA starter came out.
Tomcat Doctor with Zondcat was available in a two model blister at the same time as the Tomcat box came out.
The JSA's new Specialist was available in a blister as well.
They made it clear, from the start with those models, that it was a "limited run intended to allow veteran players to get the items they wanted without getting unnecessary duplicates".
BrookM wrote: That reposed O-Yoroi pilot is rather disappointing.
If we, as a community, are going to complain and lose our nanas about every possible option, then I could understand if they stopped listening to the many parts of the community and just did what they wanted regardless.
That's a valid point that I did not consider until this text has appeared on my screen.
If the community behaves histerically, how long until they shut down the forums and pay no attention to the fanbase?
That could happen. Has happened before with other companies.
Don't play pretend here.
They were set to shut down their forums, and it had nothing to do with the community "behaving hysterically".
Vain wrote: 1) If they only packed the Pilots with the TAGs you would have a situation where many people would need to buy TAG box again at a higher price to get a Pilot figure .
They did repack things in the past, it wouldn't be unusual to see it repeated. From PanOceania catalogue I remember that Bolts and Santiagos were available for a limited time as a single blisters before they were repacked. I believe similar happened to Swiss Guard ML who was available as single blister before moving into NCA starter set.
If we, as a community, are going to complain and lose our nanas about every possible option, then I could understand if they stopped listening to the many parts of the community and just did what they wanted regardless.
The current state of online community and the game isn't something that happened over night, a lot of things could have been different, either way CB appears to have decided who they'll listen for feedback some time ago. I don't join these discussion with the aim to change their mind.
Vain wrote: 1) If they only packed the Pilots with the TAGs you would have a situation where many people would need to buy TAG box again at a higher price to get a Pilot figure .
They did repacked things in the past, it wouldn't be unusual to see it repeated. From PanOceania catalogue I remember that Bolts and Santiagos were available for a limited time as a single blisters before they were repacked. I believe similar happened to Swiss Guard ML who was available as single blister before moving into NCA starter set.
I forgot about the Santiagos!
The Swiss Guard ML, Hexa Spitfire, and Aquila Guard MULTI Rifle were all individual blisters before moving into the NCA starter set. They came out yeeeeeeeeeears before NCA starter set, and were discontinued as a separate product when the NCA starter set was done.
Another disappointing month by CB it seems. How do you have repackage as a monthly release? As if somebody would be excited for that. I even have 4 factions to mitigate CB disappointment and I'm still let down.
And then you have people complain that they lost that month window to get their pilots, shops complain if you leave them more but as direct only and then you have to see how much the TAG box cost will increase and figure out if people will be willing to buy them at that cost and then have complains from people who feel the pilot is not used as much and would rather not pay for it and have a cheaper TAG box.
It is indeed not rocket surgery and personally I would rather not be operated by someone using rockets, but it is a practical business decisions.
It took CB about 1.5yr between the release of the Aleph Dactyl Doctor solo blister and the Steel Phalanx Support Pack which put him in a bundle. There was also no announcement of this change. 1.5yr is long enough for people to pick it up if they want it.
I'm sure the pilots will be repackaged eventually if CB actually wants. They probably won't undergo a clunky scenario like the Bolts and human Daktari a few years back where they released the models in two separate ways about the same time.
PsychoticStorm wrote: And then you have people complain that they lost that month window to get their pilots,
Yeah, just like people are complaining that they "lost that month window" to get their Red Veil, USARF Army Pack, 300 point Onyx, etc...
Let's stop pretending that shops immediately sell out of these things, shall we? I was able to get a triple Bolt blister nearly a year after CB had "stopped" the blister. I can still go buy a Hexa with Spitfire in blister if I want to.
shops complain if you leave them more but as direct only
No shops complained about the three month window for Bolts, Tomcat Doctor, etc.
What shops complain about is that CB refuses to take old stock back nor will distributors mark things as outdated/replaced because CB doesn't inform them of such. When models get replaced/outdated? That product will just sit on the shelves and rot.
and then you have to see how much the TAG box cost will increase and figure out if people will be willing to buy them at that cost and then have complains from people who feel the pilot is not used as much and would rather not pay for it and have a cheaper TAG box.
Or you could suck up the cost and leave the box at the same price and accept that you should have made the complete product from the get-go.
It is indeed not rocket surgery and personally I would rather not be operated by someone using rockets, but it is a practical business decisions.
So is keeping customers feeling like you're acting in good faith.
Billing yourself as a cheap alternative to games like 40k but really just following in the footsteps of decisions they made ages ago(remember when Special Weapons for Stormtroopers used to be sold by themselves, rather than as part of the kit? Cause I do...) isn't acting in good faith.
Knight wrote: Wonder why they're not repacking pilots with their TAG, if their aim is to reduce the number of blisters and boxes.
...because nobody wants to buy a second O Yoroi or a Guijia just for a pilot?
...which is why you do a splash release of the pilots by themselves, then package them with the TAGs after the splash release?
It's not rocket surgery.
So, at some point you stop making the pilots available by themselves and make TAGs more expensive? That'll be popular.
They've already made quite a few unpopular decisions regarding TAGs of late, if I'm going to be honest.
They either lied or were genuinely ill informed when they claimed the Uhlan and Tikbalangs "couldn't fit in a blister format" and thus had to be double boxed.
Then they released a limited edition Tikbalang as a tournament prize...in a blister.
And realistically? There's quite a few TAGs that would be affected, a few of which only have Bootleg variants that are otherwise just rotting on shelves.
Geckos(would need 2x Pilot figures as it includes two Geckos in the box)
Szalamandra(which is likely due for a resculpt as it is a Tunguska TAG and really showing its age and I would genuinely be surprised if they don't put the pilot in the box)
Lizard(again, could use a resculpt but not expecting one--also its Pilot is only a Bootleg variant at the moment)
Raicho
Gorgos
Guijia
O-Yoroi
Maghariba Guard(Bootleg pilot--she actually sold fairly well by all accounts)
Scarface & Cordelia(why he didn't include his pilot variant to begin with, I'll never know...although now we've had two versions "sold separately" in the form of the TAGline prize[which you can buy a Tournament Kit of] and the Bootleg)
The PanO TAGs are all Remote Presence, so have no Pilots. They got Crabbots for the time being, which come bundled with the Tech-Bee.
Anaconda included its pilot.
Iguana included its pilot.
Sphinx, Xeodron, Overdron, and Avatar are all Remote Presence and use the Staldron--which is currently with the Raicho Pilot. But given the number of the others you can take that can use the Staldron in Onyx Contact Force alone, it would have made FAR more sense to sell a triple blister of the Staldron.
I genuinely think that people wouldn't be too put off by a $5 increase to some of the TAG boxes if they actually included all the bits and bobs.
I genuinely think that people wouldn't be too put off by a $5 increase to some of the TAG boxes if they actually included all the bits and bobs.
So, repackage them so I get to pay more, but CV makes less profit? I think even a Spanish business would reject that idea as poorly conceived.
I'm not a fan of either YJ pilot. I'll probably continue to use my de-bladed ninja as my pilot, or I've also considered buying the Gecko Pilot instead. In either case, I don't need the price of TAGs to be higher, thanks.
I genuinely think that people wouldn't be too put off by a $5 increase to some of the TAG boxes if they actually included all the bits and bobs.
So, repackage them so I get to pay more, but CV makes less profit? I think even a Spanish business would reject that idea as poorly conceived.
I'm not a fan of either YJ pilot. I'll probably continue to use my de-bladed ninja as my pilot, or I've also considered buying the Gecko Pilot instead. In either case, I don't need the price of TAGs to be higher, thanks.
I have an overdron and want xeodrones, so I'm more comfortable with you paying a little more than me paying for 3 raicho pilots I will never want. An CB should be happy because unless staldrons come with the xeodrons in future or they are in their own blister, I will be using 25mm counters I made and that say staldron on them. I doubt I am the only Onyx Contact player that feels that way.
An I am never acquiring crabbots as long as they are attached to the techbee and I doubt I'm the only PanO player that feels that way as well.
The customer needs to buy TAG and a corresponding pilot (unless proxying or using suitable marker) either way to be able to have a complete representation of possible model's interactions during the game of Infinity?
How much does or would the consumer benefit from buying both of the models individually as opposed to a complete deal, assuming the customer does not want to proxy?
Looking from the perspective of a new player, what's better, to buy the complete deal at once or buying a TAG and later possibly realizing that he or she needs to buy another model to go with it?
I genuinely think that people wouldn't be too put off by a $5 increase to some of the TAG boxes if they actually included all the bits and bobs.
So, repackage them so I get to pay more, but CV makes less profit? I think even a Spanish business would reject that idea as poorly conceived.
I'm not a fan of either YJ pilot. I'll probably continue to use my de-bladed ninja as my pilot, or I've also considered buying the Gecko Pilot instead. In either case, I don't need the price of TAGs to be higher, thanks.
This O-Yoroi is a nice mini, much nicer than the Luxumbra release. Although I foresee it a PITA to paint with that sword. I have a habit of bending them while painting, especially those that hang over the base. If I get a Guijia, I would get this O-Yoroi to proxy for the pilot, instead of the Guijia Pilot.
The minutemen look functional, as expected. Gecko Pilot and O-Yoroi pilot are the nicest of the month. A decent month of releases, but I do not see any superstars.
The customer needs to buy TAG and a corresponding pilot (unless proxying or using suitable marker) either way to be able to have a complete representation of possible model's interactions during the game of Infinity?
How much does or would the consumer benefit from buying both of the models individually as opposed to a complete deal, assuming the customer does not want to proxy?
Looking from the perspective of a new player, what's better, to buy the complete deal at once or buying a TAG and later possibly realizing that he or she needs to buy another model to go with it?
Sure, buy why would or should the company suck up the cost? if they offer them as bundled box the price should go up.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if at some point in the future when all the pilots are released and their rules are cemented in an actual rulebook rather than just the TAGLine rules, they will start to consolidate the pilots into the TAGs as people who have TAGs by then will have had ample opportunity to buy the pilots they need.
And when that day comes, a bunch of people will piss and moan that the price on TAGs went up.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Sure, buy why would or should the company suck up the cost? if they offer them as bundled box the price should go up.
I think I'll need to stop trying to understand your angle of thinking, no hard feelings.
-Loki- wrote:And when that day comes, a bunch of people will piss and moan that the price on TAGs went up.
I think the annoyance would be minimal, if they'd announced a time frame of transition. TAG/pilot box is something I think it makes sense as both models form a complete product (similar to G:Sync models), otherwise I'm quite fine with more blisters as opposed to more boxes.
I think I'll need to stop trying to understand your angle of thinking, no hard feelings.
It is quite simple really, Kan suggest CB should add pilots to the TAG boxes at no extra cost.
The TAG pilots beyond the one off costs of been designed and sculpted have the recurring costs of moulds, materials, man-hours on casting, packaging and a slight increase on the package shipping cost, why would a company not pass all these costs on the product if the TAG box becomes TAG box + pilot, it only makes sense to do so after all the costs exist.
The TAG box would increase (and should increase) in cost and people would complain about it since it would make the TAG box more expensive than it already is.
You people are just bitter because the company with the best miniatures in the market is not one with english as his primary lenguage
And, I'm a little disapointed in the female Orca troops posses. The one with his hand in the grenade is like... I don't know. Unnatural to be in a battle. Even to Infinity standarts.
I don't understand the assumption that CB would or should eat the cost either, that's not how businesses operate unless they are specifically doing it as a promo and expect to make up the cost in other ways. I also don't understand how people think they won't eventually be packed together, that's CBs standard OP and has been for years. Look at this month's "new" releases, half of them are repacks of old individual figures combined into a single box. You really think we won't see pilots included with TAGs in a year? And just like these repack boxes they'll go up in cost, but still not cost as much as buying the individual TAG and pilot separately. In the meantime, people that already have TAGs can buy just the pilots and people that are buying new TAGs can pick up both, or pick up just one pilot for multiple TAGs since you don't really need the pilots all that often. But then again we can't get anything new from CB without people (usually the same few people) complaining up a self-righteous storm about it.
*rant*
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It's honestly very tiring. This whole thread ought to be nuked and restarted over, it's been 26 pages of mostly negative drivel. It's a super downer every time I check in for news ever since the 2017 thread reboot. Infinity used to have such a bright, happy fanbase here on Dakka. Now it's just the same people complaining over and over again about the smallest things, be it new releases that aren't 110% what they wanted or about CB business practices that don't completely live up to their ridiculous expectations. I don't expect all sunshine and rainbows or to pretend something bad is good, but the complainers are drowning out the real problems when real issues pop up and, even worse, it just makes this whole thread a negative place to be. I don't know about others but it's to the point that I avoid this thread most days because it affects my desire to play the game itself. I can't be the only one.
Is not the hand but the legs. To me she seems as a drunk person trying to get his keys from his pocket
But great sculpts this May in general, I was just pointing that out because I play PanOceania.
And yes, is a little tiresome how the "Infinity news and rumors" is more "Kanluwen critizing Corvus Belli for their business practices". Not that he isn't right in some cases but is just tiresome and offtopic. I suppose next time I'll just spam the report button for OT
You people are just salty because the company with the best miniatures in the market is not one with english as his primary lenguage
And, I'm a little disapointed in the female Orca troops posses. The one with his hand in the grenade is like... I don't know. Unnatural to be in a battle. Even to Infinity standarts.
¡Saludos Gallego! ¿Como te va, en Vigo? Me has malinterpretado, pero no te preocupes. You'll figure it out. Also, the word salty is a poor substitute for the word bitter when describing how a person may "feel".
ORC trooper is getting ready to reload. That's how I viewed the mini.
The easiest way to keep this thread about news and rumors is to post about the news and rumors. Refrain from participating in another cycle of recycled complaints... (Oh geez, did I just sort of quote Coldplay. Shoot me. Shoot me now.) And really guys, if you want nasty, visit the monthly speculation thread on the official forum. I did. Sometimes I have poor impulse control and do foolish things. This is a thread of sunshine and rainbows in comparison.
So we have the Ayyar coming next month, in preview form anyway? Some time near the end of the month we should get some hints about the GenCon Special.
Re-listing the renders seen recently, minus the ones that have been released:
-Bagh-Mari HMG -Zhangying w/Combi and goofily sculpted greatcoat.
-Airborne Ranger with Molotok
-Highlander Grays T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Mormaers T2 rifle in starter box(?)
-Caledonian Volunteers box or in starter box(?)
-Sukuel Command w/ML -Hassassin Ayyar
-Riot Grrls and the megacephalic tinbot box
-Danavas Hacker
I expect something Caledonian this month. And the Ayyar, as mentioned. Other than that, no clues.
There's also a sniper shot of a painted base with what looks a lot like a Khawarij boot standing on a peice of Al Fasid armour. They haven't shown renders for them, however. There's also another sniper shot showing what is very likely to be a Haqqislam rifle or Marksman rifle with a black coat/cloak.
I'm hoping these are pointing to a Ramah Taskforce army box and limited ITS sectorial list like they did for USAriadna at gencon.
LunarSol wrote: I just page down as quick as I can and check and see if there's any pictures. :\
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This, basically, and the comments above from Kalamadea. I get in, look at the pictures, and try and get out before finding out why the models that look stunning to me are infact terrible, and CB hates us.
What I really don't get is those that seem to have such a CB downer are so, so knowledgeable about the game - every model, rule, tactic, counter, what's new. what's next - certainly far more than I know. And they are of course entirely entitled to their opinions, and those opinions are certainly based on a great deal of knowledge.
I see
1 - one of the best model ranges in the hobby
2 - one of the best rulesets in the hobby
3 - stunning scenery
4 - books that are mainly optional
5 - a company still run by those that are into the hobby themselves
and I love it.
Only replying because Kala said 'I can't be the only one'. Nope.
BrookM wrote: That reposed O-Yoroi pilot is rather disappointing.
What do you find disappointing about her? She looks kick-ass to me.
I'm not BrookM, but I think she's extremely disappointing.
I'm not going to complain about anyone's bootleg line, because display pieces appeal to different tastes and I'm not going to judge. But when a company is trying to sell a playing piece to a tactical battle game I expect the playing pieces to fit into a tactical battle situation. Which people rarely attend in high heels, garter belts, with their butts hanging out and a giant unnecessary boob-window in their uniform.
Especially compared to the Gecko pilot. Sheesh.
It doesn't even look like her sword is in motion. It doesn't look like she is doing anything other than striking a static pose with a sword. Which is sad because CB is usually pretty good at sculpting a sense of motion, but I guess on this mini the gormless otaku-luring Akiba cosplay was more important than making a piece to CB's usual standards.
If it helps fluff wise, Gecko pilots have the old master slave systems, like scarface were the "plugs" are surgically inserted and the body does not need to be exposed, in contrast to the more advanced pilots were the interface is inductive needing more exposed flesh to interface.
I think peoples issue is that CB fans like to position them as being this great customer focused alternative to GW etc
However CB are a bussiness and as such have practices that are just as shonky as GW in some respects. Flip floping on scale, going crom well designed hand sculpts to copy paste digital sculpts, selling invalid rulebooks for full price, overreliance on LTD editions to sell pre orders.
Let's look at the TAG pilot thing Tags (Which are exspensive mostly due to CB's desire to make them in metal which minimises there costs) suddenly require a pilot in some instances to make them actually playable and CB encouraged this with Tagline.
CB and Psy....there supporters are previously on record stating that they have to sell you a boxset of 3 models you don't want so you can get the 1 you want for reasons which don't include profit as they are a small company and selling them this way is really to your benefit and we should be grateful.
Now there saying they cannot possibly sell these 2 items together because it would either make the boxset to exspensive or that you actually want these and as such they may loose out on the profits they can get from you buying them separately.
There effectivly arguing opposite points at the same time again which while always fun to watch is not great for customers whom they obviously consider a bit stupid.
I love Infinty and even understand mostly why CB do stuff it's just the grubby way they and some of there supporters/employees try to justify stuff that rubs me up the wrong way. From falling back on nationalisim when criticised to the plees of were only a small company when that is there choice or my favorite were.doing it for the (real) fans.
PsychoticStorm wrote: If it helps fluff wise, Gecko pilots have the old master slave systems, like scarface were the "plugs" are surgically inserted and the body does not need to be exposed, in contrast to the more advanced pilots were the interface is inductive needing more exposed flesh to interface.
That actually makes it worse.
I want practical. I can ignore sleaze. But sleaze disguised as practical is like trying to sell me what I don't want while telling me to my face you think I'm too stupid to see the difference between the two.
PsychoticStorm wrote: If it helps fluff wise, Gecko pilots have the old master slave systems, like scarface were the "plugs" are surgically inserted and the body does not need to be exposed, in contrast to the more advanced pilots were the interface is inductive needing more exposed flesh to interface.
That actually makes it worse.
I want practical. I can ignore sleaze. But sleaze disguised as practical is like trying to sell me what I don't want while telling me to my face you think I'm too stupid to see the difference between the two.
Couldn't agree more with you. Militarily the 'older' style would be more functional than the 'newer' were an ejected pilot is as good as completely dead without armor or even hazardous environment equipment (space and alien planet).
I definitely get the feeling that the stripper pilots came before the back tracked fluff explanations for it. I will continue to carry that belief until I see a male pilot in a cut off muscle shirt and banana hammock.
You people are just bitter because the company with the best miniatures in the market is not one with english as his primary lenguage
Yup.
Well, to be fair, more jealous than bitter. But I'll be the first to admit Spain has some if the best painters and sculptors in the industry and the hobby. My earlier comment about "...even a Spanish company..." was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. For the most part I like that CB follows its passions first, even though that sometimes may not make for the best business decisions.
Not sure if Bostria is serious. Afterall that's coming from the guys that basically did Ghost in the Shell the game. Masamune Shirow sure would like to receive licensing fees. ;-) The Last Saga guys are not ripping off. There is nearly no stupid cheesecake CB is so fond of. Each design is in itself sufficiently unique imho. And the game is pretty different, too. That level of hypocrisy used to be GW's turf. ^^
The people behind the Rezolution game claim that Infinity ripped them off. I think Bostria is joking.
It is hard to tell much about those minis from the tiny images. The rules will be a free download. Written in Spanish, of course.
News: I received notice from GameNerdz that my Festively Plump Space Buccaneers with a Ramen Addiction shipped. So watch your inboxes. And your mailboxes. Am I the only one tempted to put the minis on a scale and see how much they weigh? ( in grams)
Loki, a Ramen Task Force Box for GenCon. Interesting. Especially since CB will no longer include the starter set in the box. I wonder how they will fill the box. A Tuareg, Khawarij Spitfire, A Zhayedin... and 7-8 more minis. The Al Fasid HRL? Something new? We'll have to wait until at least the end of May before we start to see serious GenCon teasers. I do hope it is more than just a re-boxing like this steel phalanx thing. Assuming it is true, the rumor.
Saphos wrote: Not sure if Bostria is serious. After all that's coming from the guys that basically did Ghost in the Shell the game. Masamune Shirow sure would like to receive licensing fees. ;-) The Last Saga guys are not ripping off. There is nearly no stupid cheesecake CB is so fond of. Each design is in itself sufficiently unique imho. And the game is pretty different, too. That level of hypocrisy used to be GW's turf. ^^
That 'stupid cheesecake style' is what attracted a lot of us to the game, and also what makes us continue to love the miniatures. Obviously that's personal taste but it's always been a part of the Infinity aesthetic, is apparent to everyone before they buy into the game, and it's going nowhere.
In regards to Carlos' comment there's a big difference between saying something on social media and taking a company to court. Your comparison between this situation and GW suing or threatening left right and centre is actually quite disingenuous.
Personally I think they look damn close to Infinity models, so fair comment from Carlos.
100% not serious. While he's the 'public face' of CB, if they were actually concerned they'd have their lawyers look into it, not have an employee make a two word comment on facebook.
-Loki- wrote: 100% not serious. While he's the 'public face' of CB, if they were actually concerned they'd have their lawyers look into it, not have an employee make a two word comment on facebook.
But one doesn't have to be concerned to make a "jab" seriously or not-seriously. There is no reason to have lawyers look because in no way shape or form is there any legal stance for any complaint from anyone. However that doesn't mean someone can't make a snide comment. Hard to say I could see it either way honestly since many things tend to get lost in translation or meaning.
It has to be a joke. The figures look like Infinity style figures because at least one of Corvus Belli's sculptors, Javier Urena, sculpted a bunch of Last Saga figures. See a few on Javier's deviantart page http://javi-ure.deviantart.com/gallery/
A lot of them are on his Facebook back from 2014, so he did these a long time ago.
Anyway. I got my shipping notice for the Manga and Yuan Yuans. Pretty happy. Was figuring I wouldn't get them for another 2 weeks as I always do pre-orders from different companies and always seam to pick the slowest. This time did Gamenerdz and quite happy.
When does the Army Builder update with the new profiles? Only the Major Lunah profile this month, I believe.
I didn't see the news mentioned here, but the Army Builder App for android is available for all in the Google Play store. Works nicely enough on my Nexus.
Galas wrote: The Marvel style of the trailer is good but... what is this? A boardgame? A card game?
An aristeia or aristia (/ærᵻˈstiː.ə/; Ancient Greek: ἀριστεία, IPA: [aristěːaː], "excellence") is a scene in the dramatic conventions of epic poetry as in the Iliad, where a hero in battle has his finest moments (aristos = "best").
My guess.... Arena Combat game. Probably from 1 v 1 to 5 v 5.
Aristeia is an in universe TV show pitting professional combatants against each other.
It's a bit vague how it works as its apparently featured successful ninjas and snipers.
I'm guessing this is a card game as some of that art seemed new and it makes sense to be something other than mini related.
Look at some of the pictures that flash across the screen. Use "K" to pause and "<" and ">" keys to go frame-by-frame. You'll see some of the same characters in various poses lending to this being card-heavy. You'll see a cowboy guy with cards and a revolver, a catgirl, Mushashi, and Lunah herself. The catgirl also has an image of a laser going through her chest in a very lethal manner lending this to probably being a lethal combat bloodsport; no doubt that Cubes will be involved in some manner.
The hexagon board with various symbols likely is the arena itself.
I'm going to assume this may not be a miniatures-specific board game, but there will be optional miniatures you can use to represent the characters. Especially considering Musashi has a "Aristeia" figure, I'd imaging we'll be getting special edition models for Lunah, Catgirl, and Gun-Gambit.
Yyyeeeaaahhh.... Not really interested. They've said it's not a miniatures game, it's a board game. Specifying 'not a miniatures game' I'm assuming it's all cardstock tokens and such. Considering I can't get my group to play the board games I already have, without miniatures to use in Infinity as proxies it's nothing but dead shelf space to me.
Glad they're finally trying some new stuff though. Between licensing the RPG, the Manga and now this, it gives me hope they will keep trying new things.
It does not say that there are no miniatures, just that it is not a "miniatures wargame". There are plenty of boardgames using miniatures, and it would be pretty dumb for CB to not use this as a gateway for infinity.
I was at a seminar last year where Gutier was expanding on Carlos' Gencon seminar and he was talking about minis for the game, possibly in plastic. Apparently, they were even touting the idea of chibi plastics - I'm hoping and presuming that idea got nixxed.
Considering that an awful lot of games that are described as boardgames have minis/playing pieces, I'd guess that they are using the term to differentiate it from a miniatures wargame; when you think about it, all the term "boardgame" tells you is that it's played on a board.
Presumably hexes are involved because everyone knows that if it has hexagons, it's futuristic (that and the video features them prominently).
-Loki- wrote: Yyyeeeaaahhh.... Not really interested. They've said it's not a miniatures game, it's a board game. Specifying 'not a miniatures game' I'm assuming it's all cardstock tokens and such. Considering I can't get my group to play the board games I already have, without miniatures to use in Infinity as proxies it's nothing but dead shelf space to me.
Glad they're finally trying some new stuff though. Between licensing the RPG, the Manga and now this, it gives me hope they will keep trying new things.
Its a boardgame not a miniatures wargame, as far as I know there is no term as miniatures boardgame, boardgames can have tokens, meeples, miniatures, without changing its description.
Saphos wrote: Not sure if Bostria is serious. Afterall that's coming from the guys that basically did Ghost in the Shell the game. Masamune Shirow sure would like to receive licensing fees. ;-) The Last Saga guys are not ripping off. There is nearly no stupid cheesecake CB is so fond of. Each design is in itself sufficiently unique imho. And the game is pretty different, too. That level of hypocrisy used to be GW's turf. ^^
Not sure if trolling or wilfully blind/ignorant.
There's a huge difference between paying homage to something by making something similar in style and a total ripoff. Paint that beret guy in the council starter pack blue and he's 100% a fusilier ripoff. Also, pick off the back antennas of the Druze miniatures and put them next to that council reinforcement pack and you'd be hard pressed to spot the difference, especially if you give them the same paint job.
Level of hypocrisy? When Corvus Belli is dragging people to court and go on record and state that they invented a Greek letter, then yeah, MAYBE we'll talk about same level. Having a Corvus Belli employee making a snark comment on Facebook? Naw man, not even close.
For the record, yes this is a total ripoff. It isn't the kind of ripoff like chapter house but more the kind of ripoff like "Feldmaster" which was "totally unique" from Feldherr.
Chillreaper wrote: I was at a seminar last year where Gutier was expanding on Carlos' Gencon seminar and he was talking about minis for the game, possibly in plastic. Apparently, they were even touting the idea of chibi plastics - I'm hoping and presuming that idea got nixxed.
I'm on board with Chibi Orca troops and Chibi Morats
Release News, as seen on that other forum:
Danavas Hacker with Karkata remote (whatever that is)
Caledonian Starter Box
Hassassin Ayyar
Bagh-Mari HMG
What look like repacks of 2 per blister:
Ninjas MSR and Hacker
Zeroes Combi rifle and Hacker
And the Steel Phalanx army box
Only 4 new releases. Maybe one of the re-packs is new? It'll be nice to see the Ayyar. We've seen the renders of these, but I'm not sure about all of the Caledonians.
This is what is left of ther Adepticon renders preview:
-Zhangying w/Combi and goofily sculpted greatcoat.
-Airborne Ranger with Molotok
-Sukuel Command w/ML -Riot Grrls and the megacephalic tinbot box
these may be next month.
The boardgame is interesting. I and my group we like boardgames, but we only play those that are for 3+ players.
Thanks for the info. Has CB shown a render? I'd be curious to see how suitable it was for a crabbot proxy. The Danavas would be a fine Naga hacker proxy for my ASA.
I'm finding that to be a super weird dual blister. The Tech Bee and Crabbot made sense. The Tech Bee gives Engineers and Crabbots bonuses to WIP rolls - they're basically WIP upgrades that are on the table, And while it's annoying if you want multiple Tech Bees that you get multiple Crabbots, Pan Oceania can field multiple TAGs, so you might have a situation where you want more than one Crabbot.
The Danavas, from what they've said, it just a normal new hacker unit for OSS. If it's higher than AVA 1, then you're going to wind up buying multiple Karkatas well, and the Marut is AVA 1, so you'll never be in a situation to want multiple Karkata.
If the Danavas is more than AVA 1, this is an example of a dual blister done entirely wrong. If even if it is AVA 1, it's still a super weird dual blister.
Finally! Not super keen on the pose but at least they're updating the model.
Loki wrote:The Tech Bee and Crabbot made sense. The Tech Bee gives Engineers and Crabbots bonuses to WIP rolls - they're basically WIP upgrades that are on the table, And while it's annoying if you want multiple Tech Bees that you get multiple Crabbots, Pan Oceania can field multiple TAGs, so you might have a situation where you want more than one Crabbot.
Tech Bee is AVA 1. Although we have higher number of TAGs, it's very unlikely you're going to field more than one, neither have I seen any increase interest for them after the update. Either way, there should be a marker for REM pilots so there's very little need to buy another blister.
Yeah there was no way this thing was releasing without gorgeous miniatures to go with it.
I assume they will be outsourcing to have them made in the usual plastic/PVC we see a lot of these days. I'm not sure how well that will work out for minis of infinity's scale though.
Kanluwen wrote: Too bad the only people who get to use it are Imperial Service and Yu Jing players.
Not a typo. She's only available to vanilla Yu Jing and Imperial Service.
I know, they've hinted this in the recent article. PanO gets Tech Bee as part of the "exciting preview". Someone really needs to start supporting PanO colours in the CB design team.
Kanluwen wrote: Too bad the only people who get to use it are Imperial Service and Yu Jing players.
Not a typo. She's only available to vanilla Yu Jing and Imperial Service.
I know, they've hinted this in the recent article. PanO gets Tech Bee as part of the "exciting preview". Someone really needs to start supporting PanO colours in the CB design team.
It won't happen.
Remember that Infinity started out as a setting for a pen & paper RPG. PanOceania was one of the "bad guy" factions for it.
It's certainly been entertaining watching the evolution of the reaction to Major Lunah.
Render gets shown, we're told she's a mercenary, probably in ISS.
"What the feth CB. A visor? Another MSV camo sniper mercenary? After we just got Knauf. Seriously CB you suck and your company is going to go under because of this model it's useless stupid garbage."
Sees her profile and that she's Yu Jing and ISS only.
"What the feth CB? She's awesome. I want to use her and you're not letting me it's stupid to make her Yu Jing and ISS only I hate you your company is going to go under because of this."
Okay I was slightly exaggerating some of that. But really, it's been a hilarious about face. I'm seeing it all over facebook from the same people that said she'd be a useless MSV camo merc sniper.
Can't speak for anybody else; but I personally think the way they do Mercenaries for the most part is pants on head dumb.
I like Lunah's model(might get it just to paint), but I can't say her setup really makes me think I need to start an Imperial Service army.
And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.
The seemingly constant release of new Mercenaries that essentially become Yu Jing exclusive is not a great thing for shaking loose that perception. Knauf was an unexpected surprise in that he went to MRRF, but it's basically considered a one and done that any new Mercenary unit is going to end up in ISS.
I also feel like Interruptor did not do himself any favors with the article that they published about Lunah being a "preview" of them trying to get away from being predictable to players with releases.
They've long had people frustrated at the lack of profiles being fully fleshed out or available readily; adding more stuff will just exacerbate the situation.
I can't see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.
Unpredictable sounds like an excuse for disorganized.
BrotherGecko wrote: I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.
Can or intended can't?
Kanluwen wrote:And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.
BrotherGecko wrote: I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.
Can or intended can't?
Can't
lol
What CB really needs is the month of Re-doing All Those Horrendous Support Packs. I bought the Haqqislam one and with in seconds of opening the box I vomited on myself.
You're still going to have to limit some Mercs somehow to maintain balance or theme in ITS play.
Ex 1, PanO having access to Yojimbo even at increased cost goes against the no smoke/motorcycle ava and bad CC theme for PanO.
Ex. 2: Avicenna would be straight up disgusting in certain factions. Her camped behind any supped up TOHI like Anathematics or the recursion she adds to Ariadna might be too overbearing
I know this has been brought up before, but the only limitation to Mercs is ITS play. You're complaining about CB not letting you take profiles because you're doing what CB tells you do.
TalonZahn wrote: To me, that's EXACTLY why they should be allowed.
If you doubled their cost to make up for your thematic lacking, you would have to make some hard choices.
It also makes the army more fragile at the same time. If you break the lynch-pin the rest of the army gets destroyed.
Lol I aint taking a 42 irregular order in PanO just to get a single smoke source on an extremely impetuous profile. That's a worse price than Guarda de Assaultos.
I'm sure there's a reasonable bump in pts for Yojimbo somewhere in between. But I'm unwilling to tolerate PanO having a smoke source in ITS.
avantgarde wrote: You're still going to have to limit some Mercs somehow to maintain balance or theme in ITS play.
Ex 1, PanO having access to Yojimbo even at increased cost goes against the no smoke/motorcycle ava and bad CC theme for PanO.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuulll.
The "no smoke" thing for PanO has been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The ONLY reason it exists now is because CB refuses to compromise that one stupid rule when it comes to PanO, yet has no issue with removing the other faction "handicaps" now.
TalonZahn wrote: To me, that's EXACTLY why they should be allowed.
If you doubled their cost to make up for your thematic lacking, you would have to make some hard choices.
It also makes the army more fragile at the same time. If you break the lynch-pin the rest of the army gets destroyed.
Lol I aint taking a 42 irregular order in PanO just to get a single smoke source on an extremely impetuous profile. That's a worse price than Guarda de Assaultos.
I'm sure there's a reasonable bump in pts for Yojimbo somewhere in between. But I'm unwilling to tolerate PanO having a smoke source in ITS.
So when do you start getting upset about virtually every other faction having Smoke+MSV?
It's my irrational opinion and it's not going to change. Also I am upset at the proliferation of Smoke+MSV2. I disliked the addition of Jaguars and Kerails and would object to smoke being added to Onyx, a faction I play.
Not like they hurting from lack of it. PanO crushes it at big tournies.
BrotherGecko wrote: I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.
Can or intended can't?
Kanluwen wrote:And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.
They had luxurious ride ever since N3 launched.
Having started collecting JSA after Paradiso I must say I had no interest in collecting any vanilla Yu Jing until N3. They sorely needed a redesign on many units and some tweaking to their stats. I don't particularly feel they have disproportionately received too much attention considering how outdated & uninteresting many of their units looked.
If any faction needs attention I'd say its still not PanO.
Haqq & CA (more than just Shas) have many models & profiles that could use a retooling.
Eh, I find griping over smoke+MSV to be overblown these days. Since you can dodge without penalty or fire back at -6 if you're feeling particularly lucky it's more about protecting the shooter from BSARO's than straight up murdering things with impunity.
Having started collecting JSA after Paradiso I must say I had no interest in collecting any vanilla Yu Jing until N3. They sorely needed a redesign on many units and some tweaking to their stats. I don't particularly feel they have disproportionately received too much attention considering how outdated & uninteresting many of their units looked.
When I first started looking at which faction to play, Yu Jing was at the bottom of the heap because the minis were so very ugly. They have improved immensely. Haqq, Nomads and the CA, have had this "YJ" treatment already. Pan-O and Ariadna seem to be receiving it, but are on the slow train to New-and-Improved-ville. Maybe the faction aesthetics are less inspiring to the artists and sculptors? I'd like to see a new auxbot modelled after the crabbot. It won't happen though. I'd really like to see a New Guarda de Assalto.
The Karkata has Chaksa legs? As I wrote, I can find a use for both as proxies. I wonder if the short jacket motif will appear on other Vedics in the future.
Repacks:
Ninjas MSR and Hacker
Zeroes Combi rifle and Hacker
And the Steel Phalanx army box
Contents of the Caledonian Box? I'd guess 3 Caledonian Volunteers, a Mormaer, a Wulver and a Highlander Gray. I don't recall seeing the render for a new Wulver, so maybe 4 Volunteers?
Ariadna have received an entirely new sectoral. If those resources had been expended on existing Ariadna factions they would be as updated as any other (assuming the smattering of Kazak new releases didn't go anywhere).
Pan-O doesn't feel like it's been neglected. Is it just that they haven't 'finished' any of the sectorals? Because that just seems to be how CB approach everything. Now that we can expect to be more 'surprised' be releases I'm not sure if that means we will see whole sectorals get fleshed out with new models before they move on...
At this point that would be surprising.
plastictrees wrote: Ariadna have received an entirely new sectoral. If those resources had been expended on existing Ariadna factions they would be as updated as any other (assuming the smattering of Kazak new releases didn't go anywhere).
To be fair, Ariadna received USAriadna because of the fact that they shelved Merovingia. Merovingia still exists as a Sectorial, but they've been very very clear that MRRF is going to be heavily revised and USARF was pushed up to take that place.
Pan-O doesn't feel like it's been neglected.
Maybe not from the outside, but to anyone who actually is on the inside would likely disagree.
Speaking from the point of view of Neoterra?
Our "starter set" was three old models(Aquila Guard with Multi Rifle, Swiss Guard with launcher, and Hexa with Spitfire) reboxed with three new ones(Bolts with Combi Rifle+LSG).
We got two resculpts, effectively, in the form of the Aquila Guard with HMG and the Squalo.
We got very little in the way of actual design time, from my perspective. No new profiles(it would have been a PERFECT place to add in Auxbot-less profiles with Haris, a Bolt Engineer, etc), just stuff from generic(ORCs can be taken as AVA 3) placed inside. Still no special Neoterran characters as well.
No Locust models yet; the ONE real, new unit that Neoterra got with HSN3 and it has not received a single profile as a model at this point. It's not like it has a crazy amount of loadouts to make releasing the profiles hard either.
Biggest kick in the junk is in regards to the fact that the two most sought after TAGs for both NCA and SAA got bundled together into one box.
Is it just that they haven't 'finished' any of the sectorals? Because that just seems to be how CB approach everything. Now that we can expect to be more 'surprised' be releases I'm not sure if that means we will see whole sectorals get fleshed out with new models before they move on...
At this point that would be surprising.
It doesn't. It means that they can add "new" units without a book at release.
Contents of the Caledonian Box? I'd guess 3 Caledonian Volunteers, a Mormaer, a Wulver and a Highlander Gray. I don't recall seeing the render for a new Wulver, so maybe 4 Volunteers?
Absolutionis wrote: Ninjas are getting repacked? That's disappointing considering the reculpted Red Veil ninja looks so amazing and the current ones pale in comparison.
Mayacast (I think it was them that had the release list) were unsure. Reports from Rumble and Adepticon were unsure, some people were saying two new models, some saying repack.
The "no smoke" thing for PanO has been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The ONLY reason it exists now is because CB refuses to compromise that one stupid rule when it comes to PanO, yet has no issue with removing the other faction "handicaps" now.
Where has this been debunked numerous times?
Where do you know why CB does things?
Why is dakkadakka collectively not calling you out on speaking in absolute statements, while never ever providing anything to back up your claims? I don't even.
Zewrath wrote: [youtube]
Why is dakkadakka collectively not calling you out on speaking in absolute statements, while never ever providing anything to back up your claims? I don't even.
Because he's entitled to his opinion, yes?
Sure, he's speaking very authoritatively and with conviction, but I think everyone realizes it is his opinion there.
I mean, I don't want to be on a forum where everyone has to state "IN MY OPINION" in every post they post.
Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."
Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^
I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?
Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.
Saphos wrote: I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?
Sadly no. Only Hacker with Fast Panda is being planned.
Saphos wrote: Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."
Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^
I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?
Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
Making strong statements with several arguments is not the same thing as saying "CB does this because I say so, trust me on this one".
Saphos wrote: Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."
Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^
I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?
Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
Making strong statements with several arguments is not the same thing as saying "CB does this because I say so, trust me on this one".
What do you want me to do, cite common sense?
A large amount of what CB does and figuring out why they did it isn't exactly requiring an advanced degree. It just requires a bit of knowledge about the company and the way they've described or done things in the past.
I know you're active on the Infinity forums. Look around. People much better than me on the theorycrafting side of things have time and time again posted how the whole "+1 BS" advantage that PanO has is heavily negated by the MSV+Smoke combination. PanO, however, is the only faction which outwardly still maintains its "advantage/disadvantage" from back in the day(Lesser WIP stat for a +1BS benefit; like how YJ had higher CC scores but lesser BS scores and Ariadna had lesser tech but it was basically unhackable).
TalonZahn wrote: I figured everyone would just be happy the lady has pants.
Isobel MacGregor tight pants. At least they are not Lulu Lemon yoga pants. Kilts are for men only, IIRC.
Saphos wrote: Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.
Check its profile. That is the only weapon it carries. It has the Flash Pulse too.
plastictrees wrote: It's pretty rare that we are completely surprised with no renders for a model with an existing profile these days
True, but Nosferatu the Wulver is one of these rare cases. I wonder why CB chose not to reveal its render
Those tactical rocks are Tesseum right?
Not a bad starter. I would call it adequate. This makes what, 3 starters in a row that are "adequate' -- ASA, Bakunin and now this. Each has a couple of nice to very nice minis and the rest is just sort of box filler.
Having started collecting JSA after Paradiso I must say I had no interest in collecting any vanilla Yu Jing until N3. They sorely needed a redesign on many units and some tweaking to their stats. I don't particularly feel they have disproportionately received too much attention considering how outdated & uninteresting many of their units looked.
If any faction needs attention I'd say its still not PanO.
Haqq & CA (more than just Shas) have many models & profiles that could use a retooling.
Yeah, I was a bit amused at the previous comment. Yu Jing players have absolutely been spoiled since N3, but there was a helluva dry spell before that. I was watching all the great digital redesigns getting released for other factions and wondering if I should break down and switch factions.
Aww, guys, I had to go to the official forums to see this. >:|
It paints up nicely enough, and should fit right in with the rest of the bagh-mari. It's not a show stopper, but still a nice mini overall. A new Guarda de Assalto and the ASA regular hacker and the ASA refresh should be essentially complete.
And still pending:
Danavas Hacker with Karkata remote
Caledonian Starter Box Hassassin Ayyar
Repacks:
Ninjas MSR and Hacker
Zeroes Combi rifle and Hacker
We've also seen a render for the Danavas and her Karkata.
I like the new Bagh-Mari. Kinda bummed we're not getting an ASA box and new ORCs. Also, GdA won't have alternate arms anymore most likely, so it'll be just one profile.
I'd find the BM to be more appealing, if the HMG had the forward grip. On the other hand the CHA seems to have mastered this technology. Not sure what sort of a sight is the BM trooper also using to aim.
Knight wrote: I'd find the BM to be more appealing, if the HMG had the forward grip. On the other hand the CHA seems to have mastered this technology. Not sure what sort of a sight is the BM trooper also using to aim.
I would assume his armor can reduce recoil through some sort of auto joint flexing. I also assume a Panoceania HMG is relatively low recoil. As for optics, the helmet has a but ton built in and probably auto syncs and battle sights to the HMG, similar to wearing NVGs and having a PEQ-15 in real life.
Says more the CHA is still relying on muscles, RCO/CCOs and foregrips.
BrotherGecko wrote: I would assume his armor can reduce recoil through some sort of auto joint flexing. I also assume a Panoceania HMG is relatively low recoil. As for optics, the helmet has a but ton built in and probably auto syncs and battle sights to the HMG, similar to wearing NVGs and having a PEQ-15 in real life.
My line of thought is less about recoil problems but making the gun more natural to handle/ergonomic. PanOceania does have a forward grip on boarding shotgun and LGL/combi rifle (existing only as concept for the moment). I'm not sure how many other factions also have it on their BSGs.
As for the sight, those thoughts might be suitable for models with visors but not for HMG Fusiliers for instance. Also seems needlessly complicated, much like old PanOceania guns.
BrotherGecko wrote: I would assume his armor can reduce recoil through some sort of auto joint flexing. I also assume a Panoceania HMG is relatively low recoil. As for optics, the helmet has a but ton built in and probably auto syncs and battle sights to the HMG, similar to wearing NVGs and having a PEQ-15 in real life.
My line of thought is less about recoil problems but making the gun more natural to handle/ergonomic. PanOceania does have a forward grip on boarding shotgun and LGL/combi rifle (existing only as concept for the moment). I'm not sure how many other factions also have it on their BSGs.
As for the sight, those thoughts might be suitable for models with visors but not for HMG Fusiliers for instance. Also seems needlessly complicated, much like old PanOceania guns.
Panoceania fusiliers are wearing Google contacts? I actually assume fusiliers are perpetually being caught during pre-combat checks and pre-combat inspections and just nevet get a chance to put a helmet on lol. Father Knights and Aquila Guard are very particular about how their troops look before a fight and Fusiliers being who they are, always are failing their checks and inspections because they forget their helmets.
Naw. It works nicely as a short cape. Complements the Govad's short jacket. And vaguely reminds me of a Serape... with the 2 pistols and gunslinger pose, the Ayyar has a Wild West vibe, no? I think that I'll paint its cape with a pattern befitting a serape.
Red Harvest wrote: Naw. It works nicely as a short cape. Complements the Govad's short jacket. And vaguely reminds me of a Serape... with the 2 pistols and gunslinger pose, the Ayyar has a Wild West vibe, no? I think that I'll paint its cape with a pattern befitting a serape.
Very nice mini. A must get for any Haqq player.
Very Wild West vibe, yeah. Looks awesome, and the profile looks really fun.
That's a strange base. Perhaps a merc? Perhaps we have an upcoming Druze resculpt? It's in the Druze colors, and the front toes painted black look kinda like the 'newer' druze hacker promo. Plus, you can make out some shoelaces/buckles on the preview image going up the boot which is shown on the Druze hacker albeit some covered up by her longer boots. This is just my speculation.
That's a strange base.
Perhaps a merc?
Perhaps we have an upcoming Druze resculpt? It's in the Druze colors, and the front toes painted black look kinda like the 'newer' druze hacker promo. Plus, you can make out some shoelaces/buckles on the preview image going up the boot which is shown on the Druze hacker albeit some covered up by her longer boots.
This is just my speculation.
Spoiler:
The basing style is wrong for it to be a Druze.
Mercenary is a good guess to run with. Three Mercenary units have that style of base right now:
They introduced Lo Pan's Noodle Bar some time ago (August of last year) , in the Operation Red Veil starter box. Kurt Russell's 2nd best movie. (Y'all know which is his best. Don't y'all dare say "Tango & Cash" either 
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Puzzled by this. Is this a Manga character, like Knob?
) and the Dactyls with Yudbots. (a support box for Steel Phalanx, presumably done in preparation for the release of the Steel Phalanx Army box.) I think the first two will be blisters of 2. Cutting down SKUs again.
