How do we get the O-Yoroi pilot?
If we don't want to participate in the kickstarter, will there be a standard release later? Some details would be appreciated especially since it's a limited edition
Not exactly sure the layout yet. Kickstarter should be up soon though. Wasn't it meant to go up almost 2 hours ago? They said 12am on the 14th which is ripe for confusion but we know there is a deal only available today so surely they meant for it to be live already? Think this sort of delay is pretty common though.
Micky wrote: RPG kickstarter as a precedent? All those characters hit general release with minor changes.
Different situation. They were already being made as the HVT models. When Modiphius wanted models for the Kickstarter, CB offered those with alternate arms. The O-Yoroi pilot seems to have been specifically made as the 75mm for this Kickstarter and then scaled down to 32mm for the same kickstarter. There's no evidence yet it was based on anything intended for general release.
For every Infinity lover, a figure suitable for playing could not be missing in this project. Here is pilot Oyori, a perfect figure for painting and playing. This is a present from Corvus Belli, so that all kind of customers can take part in the campaign. You can purchase it as an add-on after choosing the pledge that you prefer and only for orders over or equal than 40$.
You can add the quantity of miniatures that you want. 11$/ unit.
As always, thank you for keeping this going on. You are the best.
So, that mini will cost you $51 + shipping.
Unless you want to gamble on it being available later on down the road...as a general release.
Unless you want to gamble on it being available later on down the road...as a general release.
You shouldn't have to buy a bust just to get the mini. Not impressed. :(
And I'm a guy who ONLY wants the busts. Shape up Corvus.
OK, sell me your O-Yoroi.
Actually, you could just take orders and add a bunch of them to your pledge.
I'm tempted to take one on the off chance that the resale value is profitable. I've been selling off a few LE's that I don't need and they seem to fetch £25+ each now.
I'm not totally against the idea of getting them at face value + shipping for people but it would really need to be in the UK only or it'd get silly expensive.
Alpharius wrote: It's not '2014 ITS Authorized Bounty Hunter' awesome level - and apparently that miniature is now impossible to find.
I'm not THAT impressed/tempted by it - and certainly not $51 + shipping tempted.
I saw you were looking for that, haven't seen one for sale anywhere, you tried many more places than the swap shop?
He secretly has me hunting for one, so don't tell anybody.
I found one for myself a long time back, still trying to help Alph.
That mini is like the Holy Grail.
I had less trouble finding the 2013 ITS mini. Hell, I had 3 Battlefoam Yuan Yuan's in hand before I had the 2014 ITS, and there were only 750 Yuan Yuans made.
Anyway, O-Yoroi... I would pay someone cost + S&H from where ever they lived, because it would be cheaper than $51.
Not much cheaper! I think the most basic postage to the US is like £20 these days. Ridiculous really. You may as well buy a bust and resell it at that point.
I'll keep an eye out for that chick too. I'm done with collecting LE stuff so I don't need it.
Okay sounds like there is a fair bit of interest in getting the O-Yoroi 32mm via someone else. I'm going to price up postage and stuff to various locations and then I'll take orders on her if people want to get one without pledging.
Casey's Law wrote: I feel like it's as part of Infinity as skulls are to 40k, it's an artistic choice and as long as that's all it is then that's great. I keep a lot of platonic female company and if I thought any of them would be offended then I'd seriously reconsider my position on cheesecake, so far they all think it's great fun.
When certain characteristics are implemented too much the product is simply an eye sore, regardless of the product or standards that I'd use to measure it. For 40k for instance it would be the size, bulk, needless spikes and skulls. I'm not overly bothered with few skulls here an there, although it's not my preferred sight. It's really a shame in Tech Bee case, if they'd make female combat engineer like they did it for JSA, YJ, Nomads or doctor for Haqqislam I'd buy max of her AVA. To make the matters worse, the Tech Bee feels to me as a direct plug from Bootleg line, it really makes me wonder how much did the Bootleg sold or is it aimed for a promotion for their Bootleg line.
Casey's Law wrote: I feel like it's as part of Infinity as skulls are to 40k, it's an artistic choice and as long as that's all it is then that's great. I keep a lot of platonic female company and if I thought any of them would be offended then I'd seriously reconsider my position on cheesecake, so far they all think it's great fun.
When certain characteristics are implemented too much the product is simply an eye sore, regardless of the product or standards that I'd use to measure it. For 40k for instance it would be the size, bulk, needless spikes and skulls. I'm not overly bothered with few skulls here an there, although it's not my preferred sight. It's really a shame in Tech Bee case, if they'd make female combat engineer like they did it for JSA, YJ, Nomads or doctor for Haqqislam I'd buy max of her AVA. To make the matters worse, the Tech Bee feels to me as a direct plug from Bootleg line, it really makes me wonder how much did the Bootleg sold or is it aimed for a promotion for their Bootleg line.
She's no eyesore to me. Art is subjective and if you don't like something then that's cool but you also can't tell the artist they are wrong.
With 40k as an example, I like the heavy gothic stuff that's caked in skulls, the more the better, I appreciate the artistic choice. I don't like heroic scale at all and I don't like the huge, armoured, child friendly toys that they have pouring resources into. I could whine about it every time they release a model but instead I just don't buy them. And I'm not "voting with my wallet" because I don't expect them to change, lots of people like the style which I find inelegant and will continue to buy them. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it has to change, it's artistic freedom.
If all art was designed to please everyone then we'd be devoid of culture and what a depressing thought that is.
TalonZahn wrote: I'm sure there's people here in the States that might do the same thing. Just need to find them.
I'm looking into cheaper options for US postage too!
Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it has to change, it's artistic freedom.
It's why they've made Bootleg line, isn't it? To have wiggle room to play with.
Art is subjective and if you don't like something then that's cool but you also can't tell the artist they are wrong.
Heh, I think many artists that I know of would chuckle at this. If you think of it this way, we don't know what the artist that was drawing the dossier really thought of Tech Bee (I like to think he liked it tho). Similar to how many artists are going to do a piece, scene or whatever creative subject they're doing, more on a basis of wishes of their clients.
It's why they've made Bootleg line, isn't it? To have wiggle room to play with.
Pretty sure Bootleg was meant for old artworks that didn't have a place in the game to be made into models.
Heh, I think many artists that I know of would chuckle at this. If you think of it this way, we don't know what the artist that was drawing the dossier really thought of Tech Bee (I think he liked it tho). Similar to how many artists are going to do a piece, scene or whatever creative subject they're doing, more on a basis of wishes of their clients.
The only objective criticism you can give art is in its quality, i.e. how well it's drawn/painted/sculpted, and if it has any content of note (sorry modern art, but I still don't think a blank canvas can qualify as good art).
Outside that, it's pretty much a subjective view, and one that everyone's entitled to. Point here is that Cheesecake is not poor quality artwork because it's Cheesecake.
@Knight The bootleg line has nothing to do with the type of artistic queues it's there to provide models which are not intended for tabletop and therefore not bound by it's strictures.
So why do all these artists, of questionable existence, and yourself, "Heh", find my statement about art and it's freedom of expression to be so hilarious? Is it because your definition of art appears to be only wide enough for something that takes place on paper or canvas to squeeze through? Or is it just because you couldn't muster up an actual response? Someone better tell all those so called artists through time immemorial that their work is invalid because they didn't put it down on paper. I'm sure there are going to be some embarrassed faces!
But let's not quibble over semantics! There are plenty of sources you can reference for definitions. Of course arguing with a dictionary is like bleeding a stone but you won't get much more from me either.
TLDR: "Heh."
@G.A I would actually propose "quality" is simply another aesthetic choice that you can take or leave on a massive spectrum. There are plenty of artists who shirk the shackles of realism and attention to detail in search of something else. Plenty of artistic movements have focussed on exactly that abandonment and created whole era's of wonderful art that enrich our cultures. So it's all subjective from the roots up. Art is simply the free expression and product of a mind or minds, if we impose our own rules on that then all we are doing is bringing negatives into our own and other's lives.
It's why they've made Bootleg line, isn't it? To have wiggle room to play with.
Pretty sure Bootleg was meant for old artworks that didn't have a place in the game to be made into models.
There's three different "explanations" that I have seen get trotted out.
1) The Bootleg line was meant for models that served no in-game purpose, but the sculptors/designers wanted to do.
2) The Bootleg line was meant to lower the "cheesecake" factor.
3) The Bootleg line was meant to give the sculptors a chance to do something they wanted to do without having to be restrained by the necessities of designing something for the game.
Knight wrote: It's why they've made Bootleg line, isn't it? To have wiggle room to play with.
Pretty sure Bootleg was meant for old artworks that didn't have a place in the game to be made into models.
There's three different "explanations" that I have seen get trotted out.
1) The Bootleg line was meant for models that served no in-game purpose, but the sculptors/designers wanted to do.
2) The Bootleg line was meant to lower the "cheesecake" factor.
3) The Bootleg line was meant to give the sculptors a chance to do something they wanted to do without having to be restrained by the necessities of designing something for the game.
Out of interest do we have references for that? Just for my personal reading.
Casey's Law wrote: @G.A I would actually propose "quality" is simply another aesthetic choice that you can take or leave on a massive spectrum. There are plenty of artists who shirk the shackles of realism and attention to detail in search of something else. Plenty of artistic movements have focussed on exactly that abandonment and created whole era's of wonderful art that enrich our cultures. So it's all subjective from the roots up. Art is simply the free expression and product of a mind or minds, if we impose our own rules on that then all we are doing is bringing negatives into our own and other's lives.
Point taken, but you can still criticise artwork for being of inferior quality, be it due to the proportions being wrong (even within certain art styles) or the drawing/sculpt lacking depth, in a similar way that you would call a video game objectively poor because it doesn't work properly, or calling a movie objectively bad because the cinematography is out of whack.
I'd definitely separate quality from what you can garner from art, since I've found hundreds of pieces of quality art that I dislike, and even vice versa.
Opinion is never 100% objective, but I'd say that debating the quality of a certain artwork is certainly many times more objective than "is it good". Case in point, that Tech Bee model; pretty sure we can all agree that the quality of that sculpt in terms of definition and detail is excellent, but we will not agree on whether it's a "good" model or not.
Kanluwen wrote: There's three different "explanations" that I have seen get trotted out.
1) The Bootleg line was meant for models that served no in-game purpose, but the sculptors/designers wanted to do. 2) The Bootleg line was meant to lower the "cheesecake" factor. 3) The Bootleg line was meant to give the sculptors a chance to do something they wanted to do without having to be restrained by the necessities of designing something for the game.
I've actually heard that third one in a video with Beasts of War first introducing the Bootleg model line with one of the designers at CB.
Honestly, it could be all three, but I personally reckon CB couldn't give a damn about trying to lower any cheesecake factor.
Casey's Law wrote: @G.A I would actually propose "quality" is simply another aesthetic choice that you can take or leave on a massive spectrum. There are plenty of artists who shirk the shackles of realism and attention to detail in search of something else. Plenty of artistic movements have focussed on exactly that abandonment and created whole era's of wonderful art that enrich our cultures. So it's all subjective from the roots up. Art is simply the free expression and product of a mind or minds, if we impose our own rules on that then all we are doing is bringing negatives into our own and other's lives.
Point taken, but you can still criticise artwork for being of inferior quality, be it due to the proportions being wrong (even within certain art styles) or the drawing/sculpt lacking depth, in a similar way that you would call a video game objectively poor because it doesn't work properly, or calling a movie objectively bad because the cinematography is out of whack.
I'd definitely separate quality from what you can garner from art, since I've found hundreds of pieces of quality art that I dislike, and even vice versa.
Opinion is never 100% objective, but I'd say that debating the quality of a certain artwork is certainly many times more objective than "is it good". Case in point, that Tech Bee model; pretty sure we can all agree that the quality of that sculpt in terms of definition and detail is excellent, but we will not agree on whether it's a "good" model or not.
Valid points, well said.
Although what we would then be giving critique on is actually the skill of the artist, which is different from telling the artist that their art is wrong. We would also have to consider what the intent and objective the artist had, what if a sculptor's aim was not perfection of form and that they completed a sculpture as intended? It would be unfair to then criticize their work for not being a realistic portrayal.
Luckily we can make a very educated guess on the brief of the Tech Bee for example and, as you say, can agree that the artist nailed it.
General Annoyance wrote: I personally reckon CB couldn't give a damn about trying to lower any cheesecake factor.
Bootleg was initiated for reasons Kan stated. You can find the references on the Official Forums. Early 2013, IIRC. My search-fu is weak, and I am lazy, so DIY the research.
Knight wrote: When certain characteristics are implemented too much the product is simply an eye sore, regardless of the product or standards that I'd use to measure it. For 40k for instance it would be the size, bulk, needless spikes and skulls. I'm not overly bothered with few skulls here an there, although it's not my preferred sight. It's really a shame in Tech Bee case, if they'd make female combat engineer like they did it for JSA, YJ, Nomads or doctor for Haqqislam I'd buy max of her AVA. To make the matters worse, the Tech Bee feels to me as a direct plug from Bootleg line, it really makes me wonder how much did the Bootleg sold or is it aimed for a promotion for their Bootleg line.
Looking at the pose of the Tech-Bee, I've come to the conclusion that it is far too close to that of the flirty fusilera from the Pan-O starter to be coincidental. My guess is that flirty fusilera traded a pair of pants-- the very pants that it was wearing (WIP12, what do you expect?)-- to a Space Marine™ for the Space Marine's™ Power Claw®.
Unless you want to gamble on it being available later on down the road...as a general release.
CB is on the record as saying that there will be a general release O-Yoroi. Not a gamble about the 'if' part, ust the 'when' part. Now if you want this specific miniature it seems to be 'KS or bust'. (Hmmm, a pun. And a bad one too. Excellent.) I don't. I'll probably fill out my Yu Jing (Turns out the Red Veil minis really were worth getting. ) with a Su Jian and a few other units, just to have 300 points and a small amount of variety. However, I have plenty of other minis to paint, so I am in no hurry at all.
Casey's Law wrote: So why do all these artists, of questionable existence, and yourself, "Heh", find my statement about art and it's freedom of expression to be so hilarious? Is it because your definition of art appears to be only wide enough for something that takes place on paper or canvas to squeeze through? Or is it just because you couldn't muster up an actual response? Someone better tell all those so called artists through time immemorial that their work is invalid because they didn't put it down on paper. I'm sure there are going to be some embarrassed faces!.
Cut that aggressiveness. I've talked and listened to people who do art projects for a living (I do enjoy hearing people's view of their work, probably giving insight into what I could only scratch the rough surface), you can nitpick as there aren't that many of them, however there hasn't been unified consensus among them. I think the general preference is leaning more towards pragmatism over being picky and searching for projects that are completely aligned with their wishes. Then there is entire category, if you can judge an art at all or can you judge it based on certain factors, what those factors could be is also up to debate and so on (judging a picture that's 50 years old with a mindset that you currently have, with political climate as it is now). I think you can, with certain room left for personal bias (author's interpretation for instance) and why review of a product (art, play) should be done by a team of peers.
Looking at the pose of the Tech-Bee, I've come to the conclusion that it is far too close to that of the flirty fusilera from the Pan-O starter to be coincidental
Casey's Law wrote: So why do all these artists, of questionable existence, and yourself, "Heh", find my statement about art and it's freedom of expression to be so hilarious? Is it because your definition of art appears to be only wide enough for something that takes place on paper or canvas to squeeze through? Or is it just because you couldn't muster up an actual response? Someone better tell all those so called artists through time immemorial that their work is invalid because they didn't put it down on paper. I'm sure there are going to be some embarrassed faces!
Cut that aggressiveness. I've talked and listened to people who do art projects for a living, you can nitpick as there aren't that many of them, however there hasn't been unified consensus among them. I think the general preference is leaning more towards pragmatism over being picky and searching for projects that are completely aligned with their wishes. Then there is entire category, if you can judge an art at all or can you judge it based on certain factors, what those factors could be is also up to debate and so on (judging a picture that's 50 years old with a mindset that you currently have, with political climate as it is now). I think you can, with certain room left for personal bias (author's interpretation for instance) and why review of a product (art, play) should be done by a team of peers.
"Cut that aggressiveness"? You know fine well you are being being dismissive and I was treating it with the derision it warranted. You need to check your attitude at the door if you want to have a serious discussion with someone. If you're just going to be rude then at best you're going to be lightly mocked, if you don't like that then don't put yourself in that position.
As for your points, I know English is your second language but it's a bit hard to read in places so forgive me if I've glazed over anything. Based on the thoughts I presented; you appear to be arguing that art isn't objective in support of your opinion that the Tech Bee is an eyesore. I don't see any references or attempts to prove your position other than that you think it. That's fine, it's your opinion, your entitled to it.
Since conjecture isn't enough to change my mind and I've already presented my counter argument, with a few leads for references, there is nothing more for me to offer in response.
Red Harvest wrote: Bootleg was initiated for reasons Kan stated. You can find the references on the Official Forums. Early 2013, IIRC. My search-fu is weak, and I am lazy, so DIY the research.
Nah I'm feeling pretty lazy too. It was just in case Kan had them on hand, would have enjoyed reading them, he always seems to have cool stuff like that to post.
Casey's Law wrote: Although what we would then be giving critique on is actually the skill of the artist, which is different from telling the artist that their art is wrong. We would also have to consider what the intent and objective the artist had, what if a sculptor's aim was not perfection of form and that they completed a sculpture as intended? It would be unfair to then criticize their work for not being a realistic portrayal.
Precisely, which reinforces the point that cheesecake is not inherently bad, nor should it be criticised as bad art; if it was the artist's intention, then they've nailed it.
Although again, just because an artist meets their intention on paper, doesn't mean they've produced a good piece of artwork. There are plenty of "imperfect" artworks that are of great quality, and there are some that aren't, usually because the skill of the artist has not been enough to execute such a concept.
Casey's Law wrote: Although what we would then be giving critique on is actually the skill of the artist, which is different from telling the artist that their art is wrong. We would also have to consider what the intent and objective the artist had, what if a sculptor's aim was not perfection of form and that they completed a sculpture as intended? It would be unfair to then criticize their work for not being a realistic portrayal.
Precisely, which reinforces the point that cheesecake is not inherently bad, nor should it be criticised as bad art; if it was the artist's intention, then they've nailed it.
Although again, just because an artist meets their intention on paper, doesn't mean they've produced a good piece of artwork. There are plenty of "imperfect" artworks that are of great quality, and there are some that aren't, usually because the skill of the artist has not been enough to execute such a concept.
Indeed, seems like we're singing from the same hymn book.
Unless you want to gamble on it being available later on down the road...as a general release.
You shouldn't have to buy a bust just to get the mini. Not impressed. :(
And I'm a guy who ONLY wants the busts. Shape up Corvus.
This is something where they should follow the RPG Kickstarter. Initially you had to pledge at least for PDFs of the core book to be able to add on the miniatures. Eventually they did a miniatures only pledge.
They should do a level where you just get the 32mm O-Yoroi pilot. Can't hurt - might get a bunch of extra people pledge to get it.
Personally, I'll be pledging for one bust, probably Tarik, to get the 32mm pilot. I've got no interest really in painting up the bust, but I like the pilot model enough to pledge to get it. And if I'm getting a bust, I might as well get one for my faction.
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PsychoticStorm wrote: Bootleg was created for the reasons stated, the new techbee is not part of the bootleg range.
It's also not the first to cross over. The ITS2017 Joe Turner is the same as the Joe Turner in the Bootleg Damaged Scarface, just in a different pose.
Okay so loads of people seem to be thinking about pledging just to get the 32mm O-Yoroi. I've looked into it and I may be able to buy them and redistribute.
As far as I can tell there aren't any customs charges but I'm guessing my package will cost more to ship. Apart from that it boils down to the price of the mini, postage and packaging.
I'm doing a bit of guess work right now but it seems like I can do each one for the following, if your location isn't listed or if you want a price for more than one just ask. UK: £15 US: £25 AU: £25
If there is some interest I'll look into it more closely and get hard prices. Thread here.
-Loki- wrote: At 25 pounds, it's probably more worthwhile for an Aussie to just get the bust with it.
I think you might be right! I also think I can probably get it cheaper but I'm worried about the cost of postage from Luxumbra if I have to buy a bunch of them so I've left some slack. Tracking kicks the cost up a chunk too but I reckon that's just good practice.
Good to see progress on Outrage. Hopefully it's a fun read. Also it's good to see more game universes start to get fleshed out to the point where they can write fiction in them. One of the best parts of a new Chronicles every month is some new stories in the Malifaux world. Hopefully this keeps rolling and we get some more.
The $200 deal for airbrush and paints looks enticing.
I've been looking to get into airbrushing etc... been paining with bristles like a caveman for too long.
Can anybody in the states weigh in to say if this is a worthwhile deal?
I'm really only interested in the 32mm tag pilot, so I'd primarily be buying for the paint set.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: The $200 deal for airbrush and paints looks enticing.
I've been looking to get into airbrushing etc... been paining with bristles like a caveman for too long.
Can anybody in the states weigh in to say if this is a worthwhile deal?
I'm really only interested in the 32mm tag pilot, so I'd primarily be buying for the paint set.
Obviously I need a compressor sold separately...
Well the airbrush in the set sells for $90 on it's own. The hose is probably $8-$10 depending on the length (EDIT: some sites are selling a hose for this with a quick connect at $25, if it's the same hose then the deal is much better). Cleaner is probably $5 (the cleaner will be cheaper in larger volumes so I'm estimating the price based off of that). Paints are $87 at $3 dollars a bottle (though I'm sure you can find them cheaper). so that's $188 if you bought them outside of the bundle. Not too bad to be honest, so the question is how much is the case worth to you?
I don't know if it's a good brush though. I've personally found the sub $100 brushes not really to be worth it outside of terrain base coating. But the Ultra supposed to have a .2mm nozzle which is around the size you want for miniatures.
Anyone know when the English version release is likely to be?
Thinking if getting the Tiger Soldier and then painting up in the colours of my Yu Jing, would be cool to go to town with weathering and things like that. Then make a display with the rest of the 28mm force.
In comparison to the old moderators, I'm not sure I prefer these. The quality is obviously better but they're so bulky and the proportions seem off in places.
Totally not a fan of the "new age" Bakunin they have released. It's extremely tame looking and nothing radical about them tbh. However I will say that the new design on the combi-rifle & pitcher and the spitfire is really good looking!
Also, the Moderators especially disappoints me, because they were suppose to be wacky, furry, mutant and nonsensical in appearance, while these look like bulky soldiers with a cyborg hacker. Honestly, my main beef is that the Moderators are quite 'moderate' looking.
Zewrath wrote: Totally not a fan of the "new age" Bakunin they have released. It's extremely tame looking and nothing radical about them tbh. However I will say that the new design on the combi-rifle & pitcher and the spitfire is really good looking!
Also, the Moderators especially disappoints me, because they were suppose to be wacky, furry, mutant and nonsensical in appearance, while these look like bulky soldiers with a cyborg hacker. Honestly, my main beef is that the Moderators are quite 'moderate' looking.
Iconic bunny girl moderator remains in the starter pack. The old SWC blisters for moderators were a bit tame anyway - was basically wolverine with a spitfire and combi-pitcher was anime hair with lolipop. This is an improvement.
No lollipop moderator? Bummer. As CB goes resculpting, it seems that some of the 'character' of the minis is disappearing ( the ASA regulars are no longer a 'Lost' Reference, for example)
These are nice enough minis, but not one of them is particularly 'characterful' to my eyes.
Red Harvest wrote: As CB goes resculpting, it seems that some of the 'character' of the minis is disappearing ( the ASA regulars are no longer a 'Lost' Reference, for example)
So we lose a Lost reference and gain a Guardians of the Galaxy reference for a net loss of character?
Poor CB, just can't win.
I like this new set, though would not be able to the that white hair justice in the slightest.
Maybe it's a Wildcat SAR vehicle? They're supposed to be the "heroic" public face of the Nomads, so I don't see them tooling aroind in flying junk heaps or retrofitted surplus vehicles like the merc arm of Corregidor probably does.
Iconic bunny girl moderator remains in the starter pack. The old SWC blisters for moderators were a bit tame anyway - was basically wolverine with a spitfire and combi-pitcher was anime hair with lolipop. I think this is an improvement.
There, fixed that sentence for you.
As for the gunship, I think it looks really interesting but I wonder if CB will permit them to actually be sculpted with weapons this time. I dunno why but for some weird reason the didn't allow the Azure Dragon to actually get sculpted with the guns on them due to legal issues, whatever that means...
The 'legal issue' was that Antenoctitis license is to make non-military vehicles. Faction dropships was pushing it, but CB allowed it if they removed weapons.
So it's unlikely this one will have weapons unless Antenocitis have a new license.
Ugh every time I see those moderators I feel a little bad inside. What's happening with Corvus' creative direction? Are the same people even involved any more?
Barzam wrote: Maybe it's a Wildcat SAR vehicle? They're supposed to be the "heroic" public face of the Nomads, so I don't see them tooling aroind in flying junk heaps or retrofitted surplus vehicles like the merc arm of Corregidor probably does.
Tomcats are the heroic public face of Nomads.
Wildcats are the foulmouthed jerks who get the job done and make you hate them while they do so.
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Casey's Law wrote: Ugh every time I see those moderators I feel a little bad inside. What's happening with Corvus' creative direction? Are the same people even involved any more?
Yes.
They've always done this where they basically just get some kooky idea from a film/TV show/comics and just roll with it.
That's why we had the "Lost" Regulars, the Captain America "Unknown Ranger"(the general release is in a pose an exact match from "The First Avenger" during the little newsreel segments), Van Zant from "Reign of Fire"(updated model is basically the same), etc.
Casey's Law wrote: Ugh every time I see those moderators I feel a little bad inside. What's happening with Corvus' creative direction? Are the same people even involved any more?
Yes.
They've always done this where they basically just get some kooky idea from a film/TV show/comics and just roll with it.
That's why we had the "Lost" Regulars, the Captain America "Unknown Ranger"(the general release is in a pose an exact match from "The First Avenger" during the little newsreel segments), Van Zant from "Reign of Fire"(updated model is basically the same), etc.
The "homage" stuff doesn't even bother me, I probably wouldn't notice most of them if you guys weren't so sharp. I just think these are bad models that don't follow the aesthetics and character that made me fall in love with Infinity.
Barzam wrote: Maybe it's a Wildcat SAR vehicle? They're supposed to be the "heroic" public face of the Nomads, so I don't see them tooling aroind in flying junk heaps or retrofitted surplus vehicles like the merc arm of Corregidor probably does.
Tomcats are the heroic public face of Nomads.
Wildcats are the foulmouthed jerks who get the job done and make you hate them while they do so.
Argh, you're right. I flubbed the names. Hey, at least I got the cat part right.
I'm on my phone now, so I can't post it, but Antenociti posted another dropship. The new one is a faction neutral Haqqislam produced VTOL.
They said that even though it's made by the same company that produces the Maghariba Guard, it's exported throughout the Human Sphere and will be usable by any of the factions. So I guess the Caledonians bought this one.
Barzam wrote: They said that even though it's made by the same company that produces the Maghariba Guard, it's exported throughout the Human Sphere and will be usable by any of the factions. So I guess the Caledonians bought this one.
Sure sure, but that doesn't explain why the previous one has the Russian flag on it!
I dunno. Something about the AW stuff just keeps feeling off to me, like I've seen the designs before elsewhere(aside from the whole "real world inspiration" that is) and they're just getting repurposed for Infinity.
Edit: Hell, it's not just a Russian flag on the nose.
Spoiler:
It also has the Spetsnaz insignia on it and cyrillic writing next to the cockpit.
Kanluwen wrote: I dunno. Something about the AW stuff just keeps feeling off to me, like I've seen the designs before elsewhere(aside from the whole "real world inspiration" that is) and they're just getting repurposed for Infinity.
Infinity tends to have a lot of sharp edges that make these large round designs feel a little out of place.
I think that efreet looks incredible, it has a futuristic quality to it yet retains an aesthetic design that grounds it in the realms of advanced technology from the near future.
The cockpit especially resembles a contemporary, Blackhawk/Osprey-ish' helicopter.
From all of their demonstrated designs we've been shown it is by far my favourite, so much so that I'd definitely contemplate buying one as It'd look like a fun project to paint in a battered and weathered state!
It is something that can be readily kitbashed. As far as rules go, it is terrain, so it uses the terrain rules. However it does look fitting for the AriadnaHill-Billy faction. And best of all, it can be controlled without the need to use opposable thumbs. ( The Hill-Billies haven't figured the whole opposable thumb thing out. They're still trying to master walking erect. )
Casey's Law wrote: Ugh every time I see those moderators I feel a little bad inside. What's happening with Corvus' creative direction? Are the same people even involved any more?
They are adequate minis, but not anything more. Just like the Bakunin starter and the ASA starter. I see the 'Collector' reference, but the others are a long stretch to my eyes ( Gamora because of the two tone hair? not to my eyes.) I think they are forcing their creativity at this point. A new concept artist-- which they are seeking-- may help, but this may be a sculptor issue.
I recall a year os so ago at a convention Bostria saying they were deliberately downplaying the 'wow' factor on line infantry and the like so when they go for a more unique troop with a high 'wow' factor it stands out more.
It certainly shows in all the new line infantry. Ghulam, Zhanshi, Fusiliers, Alguaciles, Regulars are all very... average. But then you have some other new models like the Pheasant models, the Su Jian, the Al Fasids and Azra'il, etc and there's some really, really cool looking stuff.
I feel like in a game where every unit is an asset, can act independently and change the course of events, the line infantry should have some 'wow' factor. Is it possible that Corvus are trying to move towards larger point battles with more miniatures? And is that just an inevitable fate for a skirmish game trying to make a profit in a self saturated market?
Casey's Law wrote: I feel like in a game where every unit is an asset, can act independently and change the course of events, the line infantry should have some 'wow' factor. Is it possible that Corvus are trying to move towards larger point battles with more miniatures? And is that just an inevitable fate for a skirmish game trying to make a profit in a self saturated market?
They also said that Infinity will not move to a larger scale. It's a skirmish game and will remain that way. Though, it's worth mentioning that N3 already upped the model count by dropping a whole lot of units in price, generally increasing lists in size by a few models or allowing more specialised units. With Haqqislam, I went from having a throwaway second combat group with a couple of Kum in N2 to having two fully capable 8 order combat groups without even trying to spam anything cheap. But, it's obviously still a skirmish game.
It's more just that they want the models they want to have 'wow' factor to really stand out. It's not to say the line infantry are bad - I still think the female Ghulam from the new starter is one of the best female infantry models on the market, the pose is just fantastic. But the line infantry are just that. They're grunts.
Casey's Law wrote: I feel like in a game where every unit is an asset, can act independently and change the course of events, the line infantry should have some 'wow' factor. Is it possible that Corvus are trying to move towards larger point battles with more miniatures? And is that just an inevitable fate for a skirmish game trying to make a profit in a self saturated market?
Well if the company producing the game has no sound plan and understanding of the market, then yes, they need to move in large battles, others can just plan ahead and work with their release schedule, the "inevitable fate" is far from inevitable, I don't know why people keep saying so, GW moved to bigger battles because their acquisition by Kirby forced them to sell more models and as priestly said in an interview 3rd edition was meant to be a skirmish game until 6 months before printing the accounting department demanded the game to require twice as many models (hence why people playing 40k play Prieslies home-brew ww2 15mm game re-skinned for post apocalyptic scifi battles), the other inevitability was big red R and the majority of reports spoke of a company with great art direction, but not great financial management....
N3 brought a re-balancing across the board, things got their cost down, because the expensive models were too expensive and needed to be brought down and since everything is tied to the same point cost matrix quite a few profiles dropped down in price, it was a side effect that pushed the game from the solid 10+1-3 to the still played back then but not that usual 10+5 combat group and not some planning to increase the model count of the game.
The above been said I really have to point out that the rules break point of Infinity is above 20 models (above 16 already pushes it), no large scale game can be played with Infinity rules the interactions and ARO will be way too much.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if they moved to larger battles, a 15mm game with an entirely separate rules set would be utterly fantastic. You'd have Infinity for your small scale skirmishes and black ops missions, the 15mm game for your larger scale battles where you could have many squads and groups of TAGs battling it out (plus the CB's partners would probably love to make some 15mm terrain to sell too), and the RPG for small groups telling more intimate stories with characters.
Thanks for the input guys. Those really were open questions though, I wasn't implying anything. The first thing I noticed coming back was the point value drop and I know that other games have increased their model count over time. I'm still not sure why they would choose to drop points rather than raise them if it wasn't at least a little about money though.
Personally I'd be extremely unimpressed with a second 15mm system. I'm in it 75% of the way for the models and the final 25% for a skirmish game. I don't think they have the resources to take on a project like that when they have loads of tiny gaps in their line and miniatures in desperate need of resculpts. When they have every miniature up to date and an option for each profile then they could think about spreading their resources, until then it's just going to rub people the wrong way. I guess they could license a 15mm game to someone else but I'm not sure if they would want to take any miniature production out of house.
Bear in mind that for this year's ITS, called TAGline, CB introduced the 'Limited Insertion' option for tournament play. It limits players to 1 combat group ( 10 units maximum). That's not the sort of thing a company does if it wants higher model count games.
Govad HMG coming next week. The best, saved for last.
I didn't know that, Red Harvest, thanks for the info. That's certainly paints a more positive picture of where they are going. I've often wondered if they should have done away with multiple combat groups altogether and just made certain units not count towards the total. Feels like a more elegant solution with the same outcome to me but I'm no competitive gamer.
Casey's Law wrote: I'm still not sure why they would choose to drop points rather than raise them if it wasn't at least a little about money though.
It was about money, but not the way you think. The expensive units, usually HI and TAGs but sometimes hyper specialised MI and LI, didn't get fielded as often as CB liked because, well, they were too expensive. You'd only fit a couple in a list, so people were more circumspect about used, and thus, bought. It also meant things like HI links were simply out of the question. Look back to 2nd edition, and think of, for example, a Jannisary link. With 2 special weapons (counting the HMG twice because they didn't have the missile launcher option) and a Doctor, the link was roughly 230pts and 4SWC. That left 70 points, which if you wanted a 10 model list, you're averaging 14 points per model, or a bunch of Ghulam. A Jannisary link, who are essentially beefed up basic Infantry, was pretty much out of the question.
A Jannisary link with HMG, Missile Launcher, Ackbar Doctor, AP Rifle and Boarding Shotgun with Tinbot, you're looking at 186pts and 4.5SWC. SWC is higher, but you're getting a Tinbot which makes them harder to hack, you're getting more varied special weapons, a much better Doctor and a Boarding Shotgun for people getting too close (granted, the link also has two Light Shotguns). It's noticeably better, but Jannisary links in 2nd edition weren't that hot for their premium price. The price in points is much more manageable, you're looking at an average of 22pts for each of the 5 remaining model in a single combat group list. Or if you bring a couple of Ghulam, there's a couple of spots left for some more expensive supporting units. This makes Jannisarys a more attractive purchase, because you can now build a more viable list around them.
The price drop was across the board, but the most affected units were those that were so prohibitively expensive in 2nd edition. More than allowing spam armies in 3rd edition, it opened up many more options with list building. And as said, with the limited insertion option, it lets you build a truly elite 10 model list, which is kind of the heart of the idea of the game.
Casey's Law wrote: I'm still not sure why they would choose to drop points rather than raise them if it wasn't at least a little about money though.
It was about money, but not the way you think. The expensive units, usually HI and TAGs but sometimes hyper specialised MI and LI, didn't get fielded as often as CB liked because, well, they were too expensive. You'd only fit a couple in a list, so people were more circumspect about used, and thus, bought. It also meant things like HI links were simply out of the question. Look back to 2nd edition, and think of, for example, a Jannisary link. With 2 special weapons (counting the HMG twice because they didn't have the missile launcher option) and a Doctor, the link was roughly 230pts and 4SWC. That left 70 points, which if you wanted a 10 model list, you're averaging 14 points per model, or a bunch of Ghulam. A Jannisary link, who are essentially beefed up basic Infantry, was pretty much out of the question.
A Jannisary link with HMG, Missile Launcher, Ackbar Doctor, AP Rifle and Boarding Shotgun with Tinbot, you're looking at 186pts and 4.5SWC. SWC is higher, but you're getting a Tinbot which makes them harder to hack, you're getting more varied special weapons, a much better Doctor and a Boarding Shotgun for people getting too close (granted, the link also has two Light Shotguns). It's noticeably better, but Jannisary links in 2nd edition weren't that hot for their premium price. The price in points is much more manageable, you're looking at an average of 22pts for each of the 5 remaining model in a single combat group list. Or if you bring a couple of Ghulam, there's a couple of spots left for some more expensive supporting units. This makes Jannisarys a more attractive purchase, because you can now build a more viable list around them.
The price drop was across the board, but the most affected units were those that were so prohibitively expensive in 2nd edition. More than allowing spam armies in 3rd edition, it opened up many more options with list building. And as said, with the limited insertion option, it lets you build a truly elite 10 model list, which is kind of the heart of the idea of the game.
Yes, but TAGS are still not really viable choices in many situations... maybe the TAGline changes will make them more common choices.
Limited Insertion and the reduced cost of HI links has brought HI links out. If they didn't get their cost reduced in N3, Limited Insertion wouldn't have made people use them more.
TAGs are another kettle of fish. HI links (nd links in general) have got some huge benefits over them. More weapon variety, specialist variety, more wounds, easier to get cover - which in turn can bring some HI links ARM up to light and medium TAG levels - and more. They have their own weaknesses, like non-HI links being 1 shot killed by templates, but not enough to offset all that.
TAG pilots getting specialist profiles is helping, but it remains to be seen just how much. It was obvious TAGs themselves were not going to become specialists again, so specialist profiles for their pilots is a good compromise and means mounting and dismounting is a thing that happens without the use of Expel.
Whether TAGs become a bit more commonly seen will take some time for people to get used to the new rules, but I'm glad CB is making the effort.
More tohaa? Sweet. Hopefully another Sukeul or a new Neema sculpt. I don't pay that close attention to these, are the sniper shots always for next month's models, or can they be a few months down the road?
When I said the Govad HMG would win the month... I was, of course, correct, but I had no idea the competition would be so... mediocre. (I'm not counting the Yu Jing starter since it has already been available. It has some fantastic minis.)
The Gorgos pilot concept really does not look particularly Tohaa to me.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Nice, that Govad can't come fast enouph, I wonder if she can be arm swapped with the others.
Me too. I'll wait on finishing the ones I have until I get this one. There's nothing wrong with exploring the possibilities.
Pretty happy about getting an inactive symbiont for the Gorgos. I've used the Gorgos quit a bit and going inactive isn't uncommon, so having a model to represent it is nice.
Think those new Yu Jing line troopers are such a step up from the originals, know they're not new but nice you can now get them without having to buy Red Veil.
I've been waiting for a new Ras sculpt since we heard Morat's were getting an update, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they get squa... caskuda'd.
Pacific wrote: This appeared on the twitter feed last night.
¡Por fin! If it is true. However, looking at the dates ( not 28 December, nor 1 April) I see the possibility that this is real. A quick look at the Rumors thread on the official forum (always a painful experience. Always.) shows this thing
Big image... a big fat image...
Spoiler:
Could be a Fat Yuan Yuan teaser. Which is fine by me. I will buy a fat Yuan Yuan and use it for my QK.
TalonZahn wrote: I look forward to our doe-eyed, combat heeled, schoolgirl overlords, and the thread replies that will follow.
Chillreaper wrote: Mind you... awaiting inevitable whinging about exclusive miniatures in: 3,2,1...
Can't we all just get a long sometimes? There aren't that many of us Infinity fans on Dakka, I don't see the point in trying to start arguments between ourselves. I assume that most of us are adults, surely we're capable of discussing our opinions while showing a little respect to people who may view things differently?
Well I suppose the cheesecake/sexualised miniatures (or whatever you want to call it) will always be one of those divisive topics, by its very nature. And even though the user group is small, we're divided geographically and culturally so will often have different opinions on it. Dakka is certainly not the only place to have aggressive comments about it certainly..
That link Chillreaper posted above no longer works,what was it?
Red Harvest wrote: ¡Por fin! If it is true. However, looking at the dates ( not 28 December, nor 1 April) I see the possibility that this is real. A quick look at the Rumors thread on the official forum (always a painful experience. Always.) shows this thing
Big image... a big fat image...
Spoiler:
Could be a Fat Yuan Yuan teaser. Which is fine by me. I will buy a fat Yuan Yuan and use it for my QK.
TalonZahn wrote: I look forward to our doe-eyed, combat heeled, schoolgirl overlords, and the thread replies that will follow.
Chillreaper wrote: Mind you... awaiting inevitable whinging about exclusive miniatures in: 3,2,1...
Can't we all just get a long sometimes? There aren't that many of us Infinity fans on Dakka, I don't see the point in trying to start arguments between ourselves. I assume that most of us are adults, surely we're capable of discussing our opinions while showing a little respect to people who may view things differently?
It's more like a pre-emptive strike. We know it's coming, so if we mock the sentiments before-hand, they usually don't make them after the mini is shown.
TalonZahn wrote: I look forward to our doe-eyed, combat heeled, schoolgirl overlords, and the thread replies that will follow.
Chillreaper wrote: Mind you... awaiting inevitable whinging about exclusive miniatures in: 3,2,1...
Can't we all just get a long sometimes? There aren't that many of us Infinity fans on Dakka, I don't see the point in trying to start arguments between ourselves. I assume that most of us are adults, surely we're capable of discussing our opinions while showing a little respect to people who may view things differently?
Yes, please.
And even more than that - RULE #1 requires that the effort be made.
Pacific wrote: Well I suppose the cheesecake/sexualised miniatures (or whatever you want to call it) will always be one of those divisive topics, by its very nature. And even though the user group is small, we're divided geographically and culturally so will often have different opinions on it. Dakka is certainly not the only place to have aggressive comments about it certainly..
That link Chillreaper posted above no longer works,what was it?
It was a link to a page on CB's webstore, for an item costing €49.95. Now, habla non Espanol, but it appeared to be a triple pack with the following items in it:
1x copy of the manga.
1x Knauf
1x Fat Yuan-yuan.
No pictures, but for some reason it had the store photo of the Red Veil minis at the top of the page.
Now that it's disappeared, I can only draw the following conclusions :
a) It was a total mistake.
b) It's happening, but someone pressed the wrong button a bit too soon.
Casey's Law wrote: Fair play, just thought some folk might be interested in the shipping date for a Corvus Belli Infinity miniature.
Nah I change my mind, not fair play at all. Why are you being petty, the pair of you? It's news about an Infinity miniature which is entirely relevant to this thread. If you have a problem with me then I have a private inbox that you're welcome to use.
You might be right on that, but it is important to make sure people understand that it is not a product produced or distributed by CB, so they cannot buy it from them.
PsychoticStorm wrote: You might be right on that, but it is important to make sure people understand that it is not a product produced or distributed by CB, so they cannot buy it from them.
Well, it is called the Infinity News and Rumours Thread, not the Corvus Beli News and Rumours Thread
They have not done one, no. They have only recently done GenCon exclusives -- Van Zant and the Lone Ranger. ( Yes, I hear the William Tell Overture. Soy inculto. Meh.)
Now, instead of quibbling, boys, perhaps focus on what is truly important, the news about a possible Fat Yuan Yuan. This is a mini that has been requested for even longer than the Wulver Girl.
I hope they do NOT do an Adepticon exclusive. Especially not a Fat Yuan Yuan exclusive. Adepticon is 23-26 March this year. Who from CB will be there? Su Señoria Bostria?
Will it be an exclusive pre-order, like Knauf, or is it just part of a bundle now, and to be sold separately later? The Knauf mini looks like a nice proxy for any number of Pan-O snipers. It will be a chain rifle profile, almost certainly, for the Fat Yuan Yuan. It would certainly motivate me to buy the comic book. ( which would immediately go, unread, in one of those sleeves in order to keep it *mint*)
SuperNewb wrote: Oh, crap. I know Infinity is one of the sponsors for Adepticon, so I figured they would do what they do for GenCon. I'm very new to all this. My bad.
Just because they haven't done an Adepticon exclusive miniature before, doesn't mean they can't or won't in the future.
If they make the Fat Yuan Yuan Adepticon exclusive, I just hope they make it available via their webstore like they did for Gencon exclusives.
2x Fat Yuan Yuan
2x Base 25mm
3x Pins (Fat Yuan Yuan, Lo Pan's & Pulpibeer)
1x Lo Pan's Menu
BACKGROUND
Brutal and devastating: we could define the Yuan Yuan pirates and mercenaries in those terms, but there is no Yuan Yuan more devastating than the Fat Yuan Yuan. A rumor of the fat Yuan Yuan's existence caught the attention of the Infinity community on the forums and won a legion of fans who wanted a figure of this charismatic character, and that day has arrived.
Contents list, for posterity. For €29.95 ( USD $31.81-- standard Dire Foes (1-5) pricing.
Box with:
2x Fat Yuan Yuan
2x Base 25mm
3x Pins (Fat Yuan Yuan, Lo Pan's & Pulpibeer)
1x Lo Pan's Menu
Perhaps this box will be an"available early at Adepticon but then available in general later" deal. Something similar to the way CB sold Icestorm, or Red Veil early at Gencon, and then released to everyone else later.
I have no idea what to make of the Lo Pan's menu entry. A reference to the Lo Pan's building from Red Veil, and...?
Yep, but in the Infinity-verse it is also a chain of noodle shops
Due to the "buttons" available in the box I hope for the following:
2 x Fat Yuan Yuan bodies with a bandoleer of beers.
1 x Arms holding pistol and Sword
1 x Arms holding a noodle box and Chain Rifle/BS.
Covers the Pulipbeer and Lo Pan references and matches with the previous jokey Dossier and Profiles that were released (where smoke grenades were replaced with beer cans)
Red Harvest wrote: Now, instead of quibbling, boys, perhaps focus on what is truly important, the news about a possible Fat Yuan Yuan.
Indeed! This is nice to hear, it'll make a lot of people happy, but it's not something I'm particularly interested in buying. Looking forward to seeing the miniatures though!
Bolognesus wrote: I need that Knauf. I need that manga like a root canal. ...Off to Shae again, I guess. ...Let's hope there's enough interest for the manga
Sadly not, he can't sell limited editions that come free with other items, he'd get in a lot of trouble if he did. You'll have to buy the book or get it after market at a high mark up.
I'm not understanding the issue with the manga? Unless it's just the fact it's a manga and not just a novel?
One of the best ways to flesh out a game setting is through stories. When Games Workshop started doing novels, they took their popular setting and actually told some stories in it which turned out to be very popular. Wyrd do the same with the Malifaux setting by doing an ongoing narrative and lots of smaller short stories in their free e-zine.
As a setting, Infinity has as much potential as 40k to turn out some really interesting stories. I'm thrilled they're doing this rather than just more source books describing the setting.
-Loki- wrote: I'm not understanding the issue with the manga? Unless it's just the fact it's a manga and not just a novel?
One of the best ways to flesh out a game setting is through stories. When Games Workshop started doing novels, they took their popular setting and actually told some stories in it which turned out to be very popular. Wyrd do the same with the Malifaux setting by doing an ongoing narrative and lots of smaller short stories in their free e-zine.
As a setting, Infinity has as much potential as 40k to turn out some really interesting stories. I'm thrilled they're doing this rather than just more source books describing the setting.
I wholeheartedly agree, the manga is brilliant news for anyone who cares about lore. I guess some people are just interested in the playing of the game which is cool too.
-Loki- wrote: I'm not understanding the issue with the manga? Unless it's just the fact it's a manga and not just a novel?
One of the best ways to flesh out a game setting is through stories. When Games Workshop started doing novels, they took their popular setting and actually told some stories in it which turned out to be very popular. Wyrd do the same with the Malifaux setting by doing an ongoing narrative and lots of smaller short stories in their free e-zine.
As a setting, Infinity has as much potential as 40k to turn out some really interesting stories. I'm thrilled they're doing this rather than just more source books describing the setting.
I wholeheartedly agree, the manga is brilliant news for anyone who cares about lore. I guess some people are just interested in the playing of the game which is cool too.
I'm thinking it's more just the fact it's a manga. There's decent portion of the community who dislike the games manga roots and when the aesthetic bubbles back to the surface on some over the top models, so to have that shoved in their face with an actual Infinity manga probably stings a bit.
-Loki- wrote: I'm not understanding the issue with the manga? Unless it's just the fact it's a manga and not just a novel?
One of the best ways to flesh out a game setting is through stories. When Games Workshop started doing novels, they took their popular setting and actually told some stories in it which turned out to be very popular. Wyrd do the same with the Malifaux setting by doing an ongoing narrative and lots of smaller short stories in their free e-zine.
As a setting, Infinity has as much potential as 40k to turn out some really interesting stories. I'm thrilled they're doing this rather than just more source books describing the setting.
I wholeheartedly agree, the manga is brilliant news for anyone who cares about lore. I guess some people are just interested in the playing of the game which is cool too.
I'm thinking it's more just the fact it's a manga. There's decent portion of the community who dislike the games manga roots and when the aesthetic bubbles back to the surface on some over the top models, so to have that shoved in their face with an actual Infinity manga probably stings a bit.
It's a sad thought but you might be right. I hope Corvus have the integrity to hold the setting strong over the years. I'm a fan of many diverse settings, not just in miniature wargames, and I like them to keep their identities strong and proudly displayed on their sleeves. Even for settings I dislike, I respect them for keeping their flavour, I'd hate for them to bend to fit my interests.
If this manga does well/sells well, there will undoubtedly be more. As a way to expand what is *canon* for the Infinity milieu, I think it is as acceptable as the "novels" other TTG companies publish.
Next Monday (or Tuesday), we learn about the Fat Yuan Yuan. It does seem likely that it, bundled with the Manga and Knauf, would make an Adepticon offer.
We are still awaiting news of this month's previews, or at least the remaining 2 or 3? It looks like we get the Fat Yuan Yuan (?), the Gecko pilot and the Gorgos pilot.
I'd like to see that Bagh-Mari HMG soon, the Acontecimento Regular hacker, and the Hassassin Ayyar.
I don't think you're missing anything, although if you are then so am I. I don't think there's really a reason for it, it's just a rally point for people, like an internet meme or an in-joke.
WGN, the Wulver Girl Now, was a movement from the forums to alter the fluff of Wulvers been only male, feeling it is a bit silly that a dogface could only birth males (in any configuration), it got good support from both the Spanish and the International forum and it happened.
Somewhat similar the demand for female knights happened, it has less vocal members but wider support (frankly assuming the catholic "only male priests" dogma will survive 175 years in the future under the unified church Infinity has is a big stretch).
Fat Yuan Yuan is the birth-child of the vast thread about the female body depiction and the joke demand for a wider body type depiction in Infinity, the suggestion was made for a fat warrior somehow it settled on Yuan Yuan, some sketches were made and it is an inside joke ever since.
Personally the appeal is great, beyond the obvious, inside joke made reality, it will be a different model, outside of the norm in an unusual body-type, it will be a nice variation and I am expecting players and painters to go to town with it.
I'm sure that while this will end up being great and all that, but much like when certain companies reward the, shall we say, "Ridiculously Prolific Commentators" during a Kickstarter Campaign, it can lead to really, really annoying things too.
I imagine.
Still - congrats to everyone who was waiting for and wanting one of these things!
Some things are organic interaction and I applaud CBs willingness to discuss the background with the Fans and consider their proposals and either accept them or hold their ground.
Fat Yuan Yuan is an entirely different thing it is again an organic thing from a drastically smaller community that was easier to interact with, its not something new its something that is almost as old as the Infinity itself.
IIRC, that was a fan-made dossier. The art of the Fat Yuan-Yuan has been around for awhile and they just put it over a dossier after copy/pasting weapon images in.
Many people, including myself, have been tirelessly badgering CB about making one.
I find the entire concept and background hilarious, and just want a fat, beer drinking, chicken eating guy. His unit patch is 2 crossed chicken drumsticks.... how is that NOT funny?
I'm not butthurt about combat heels, exposed skin, cheesecake, or boobs..... I just like to raz those people from time to time. If a fat guy offsets some of the "image" people, then so be it.
One the one hand, I like that CB is still 'responsive' and listening to their fans!
On the other hand, they're already an 'easily distracted company' and there's lots of other things I'd wish they'd finish before doing stuff like this!
While I don't disagree on some level, I love that we get surprise stuff like this tossed in during the journey.
"Journey" implies that we had a known starting point and a known ending point. We have no clue what the next turn holds, which is okay...but with a company that has shown time and time again that they cannot (and I really loathe to use this term) "be trusted" to finish what they start it becomes very easy to become cynical and jaded.
Look at the "Year of the Tohaa" or the "Year of USARF" and then compare it to the "Year of Yu Jing". YJ got a huge amount of stuff, new and old, while Tohaa got maybe a handful as did USARF. Cut forward to what, two years later for USARF and we've only just gotten the Marauders box a few months ago and April is supposedly the Minutemen box? And Blackjacks aren't even, at last report, concepted yet?! And they're moving on to Caledonia next--which is great, cause Caledonia could use some love, but for Pete's sake would it have hurt them to ensure that 1 of each unit type was out for a faction before moving on?
This is the kind of stuff that I get bothered by. They start something and they don't finish. To myself and a few others, it genuinely feels like they can't be bothered to finish what they've started. They move on to the next thing trusting their fans to shout down their detractors.
Journey just means to travel from one place to another, not necessarily from/to a known start/end.
I did say I don't disagree on some level, there are things that NEED to be done rather than cranking out the next new thing, just because it's new and shiny.
I just tend to give them more leeway if they do something like this. We do need more Tohaa and USARF, definitely more so than new Pan-O crap or YJ stuff.
I have all 8 armies, and I can tell which ones are lacking.
We should start a Blackjack thread, with protests, and blackjack, and hookers!
Although sometimes I like rubbing your fur the wrong direction just to see what happens.
I completely agree, it's very frustrating to still being seeing all these loose ends and it feels like there are more and more of them as time goes on. Personally, I'm doubly irked when resources are wasted on exclusive and limited miniatures. There was a time when I loved all the surprises, I was really excited about the bootleg range and collected the limited edition miniatures for example, but it wears thin on me now.
Admittedly the Yu Jing stuff were mostly not new models but resculpts of really old sculpts that desperately needing to get in line with the new sculpts.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Admittedly the Yu Jing stuff were mostly not new models but resculpts of really old sculpts that desperately needing to get in line with the new sculpts.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Admittedly the Yu Jing stuff were mostly not new models but resculpts of really old sculpts that desperately needing to get in line with the new sculpts.
That's about 50% of every army outside of Tohaa.
Amen brother!
I do hope we've entered into the New Era Of Scale Consistency too - but now that means there's a lot that needs a re-do...
PsychoticStorm wrote: Admittedly the Yu Jing stuff were mostly not new models but resculpts of really old sculpts that desperately needing to get in line with the new sculpts.
That's about 50% of every army outside of Tohaa.
Amen brother!
I do hope we've entered into the New Era Of Scale Consistency too - but now that means there's a lot that needs a re-do...
Good grief! The Yuan-Yuan-- very old minis-- need resculpts. They are not a seldom used profile either. The units appear quite often in Qapu Kalqi lists. As a QK player I say this with absolute certainty.
If the Yuan-Yuan are going to get the much needed resculpts, why not make one of those resculpts the Fat Yuan Yuan? It will certainly create some goodwill among players/customers, and it will sell.
We will get the Locust, the Blackjack and the Ayyar and the others, eventually. I would like to see them sooner. My complaint would be, "Stop adding new profiles, like this ALIVE group, until there is at least 1 mini for each already existing profile."
The Yuan Yuan were the first Infinity models I ever purchased any my Ariadna/merc force was going to be based around them.. but the game rules moved a lot faster than my ability to assemble and paint an army. On the plus side, I have Red Veil now, so maybe the old (or some kick-ass new) Yuan Yuan will still find a rules-legal home!
Mayacast wrote:
If you're working on conversions or paint for your Alive! crew, I might hold off on showing them off just yet. And maybe take a "before" photo. You know, just in case...
Mayacast wrote:
If you're working on conversions or paint for your Alive! crew, I might hold off on showing them off just yet. And maybe take a "before" photo. You know, just in case...
"Alive!" soon, it seems.
Nah.
It means that Mayacast's next painting competition is going to be for people's ALIVE conversion models, but they haven't announced it yet.
One of the rules of the competition is to include a timestamped "before" photo before paint is applied to the mini.
Tom is just heading off all the people who are about to do their own conversions so that they don't go "aww man..." when the competition is announced.
Basically, we don't know jack about them beyond they're "the Alive Anti-Establishment Group"...but they're just basically "named" Hackers.
Why tripe? World champ gets to choose which faction they belong to. Fantastic way to get the community involved.
Personally I don't care that there are profiles without minis. They'll be done eventually, and, until then, just proxy. Fat Yuan Yuan in a noodle box is why I love this company.
Basically, we don't know jack about them beyond they're "the Alive Anti-Establishment Group"...but they're just basically "named" Hackers.
Why tripe? World champ gets to choose which faction they belong to. Fantastic way to get the community involved.
Ehhh....
It just means that whoever does well suddenly gets to decide what faction a group is part of. That's not "a fantastic way to get the community involved" IMO. It's a way for the high-end players/factions to get another tool for their toolkit.
All of this could have been solved ages ago by making certain types of Mercenaries available to all of the Human Sphere factions, whether vanilla or Sectorial.
Personally I don't care that there are profiles without minis. They'll be done eventually, and, until then, just proxy.
That's got nothing to do with anything I said.
If I had to pin down one specific reason why I think this whole Tagline business has been ridiculous?
It's the addition of yet more profiles to the game without any effort being made into actually filling voids. They're trying to patch the damage they did to TAGs as a unit type because of their ITS and just making more problems.
Fat Yuan Yuan in a noodle box is why I love this company.
Meh.
It's more important to them to make what are effectively inside jokes than completing their range. It's nothing new or exciting.
Is there not an Infinity Week coming soon on Beasts O' War? I hear Bostria is in Ireland to film some stuff. ( Or drink Guinness. It's not Pulpibeer, but it'll do.)
If I had to pin down one specific reason why I think this whole Tagline business has been ridiculous?
It's the addition of yet more profiles to the game without any effort being made into actually filling voids. They're trying to patch the damage they did to TAGs as a unit type because of their ITS and just making more problems.
Fat Yuan Yuan in a noodle box is why I love this company.
Meh.
It's more important to them to make what are effectively inside jokes than completing their range. It's nothing new or exciting.
Words fail me. At least Tagline and Fat Yuan Yuan give you something new to add to your huge, convoluted and ever growing list of fatuous complaints.
So the Tech-Bee pretty much does nothing else besides give +1 WIP to other Engineer models (and Remote Pilot) for 5pt. It's even an Irregular Order. That's exceptionally lame.
A 5pt specialist with flashpulse and convertable to regular if Joan is the LT? that also boosts your engineers or the Objective grabbing remote pilot! quite handy I would say and on par with the quite favoured Tohaa diplomatic Delegate.
Absolutionis wrote: So the Tech-Bee pretty much does nothing else besides give +1 WIP to other Engineer models (and Remote Pilot) for 5pt. It's even an Irregular Order. That's exceptionally lame.
Hahahaha.
"We hear that people don't feel the Machinist does his job. So now you have to buy this other model to make the Machinist work better!"
I feel like that's the thought process that went on here. It completely ignores that people have been clamoring for a second Engineer for PanO, or at least AVA2 Machinists.
That is a banal profile. Bolt level banal. And over-costed. Nonetheless, the flash pulse could prove entertaining. That's about it. Consider that the 3 point #arcor also gets a flash pulse, and a 360 degree visor for 3 points. And it gets a new rule too (As if there were not enough of those already. Infinity: the Game needs to stop eating the Lo Pan noodles and drinking the Pulpibeer. )
It's basically a Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate with worse stats that buffs Crabbot and Machinist WIPs just by existing on the table. Because it does that, you're not likely to use it as a Specialist itself (it's got typically terrible PanO WIP) or put it in harms way to use its Flash Pulse (it's got a terrible BS).
You pay for it, stick it as far from harms way as possible, and hope you don't leave it there when you pack up to go home.
It's functional and does its job, just from a gameplay perspective it's really, really boring. A 5pt Machinist/Crabbot upgrade that can be removed by the enemy shooting it.
-Loki- wrote: It's basically a Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate with worse stats that buffs Crabbot and Machinist WIPs just by existing on the table. Because it does that, you're not likely to use it as a Specialist itself (it's got typically terrible PanO WIP) or put it in harms way to use its Flash Pulse (it's got a terrible BS).
You pay for it, stick it as far from harms way as possible, and hope you don't leave it there when you pack up to go home.
It's functional and does its job, just from a gameplay perspective it's really, really boring. A 5pt Machinist/Crabbot upgrade that can be removed by the enemy shooting it.
Meta must be radically different out there, I foresee her been the "close to base" objective grabber here as is the delegate, her 12 WIP been in line with many PanO specialists and Flash pulse been a decent defence (also it uses WIP not BS) as usual she is cheap enouph to worth risk her especially the last round and cheap enouph with a good enouph defence (Flash Pulse) for the opponent to have second thoughts about risking a high attack model been disabled by her for a turn.
She also boosts as mentioned Machinists and Crabbots.
In regards to new profiles...I am hoping there will be an eventual
Merc Faction/Sectorial that can run AVA 5 Yuan Yuans (The white star one with the Druze/Scarface is a likely candidate)
I currently have 4 Yuan Yuans, those being the Lady, Red Veil Jesus, converted Ragik with cowboy Hardcase head and a Yuan Yuan in stolen Yu Jing Tiger armour for when someone gets armour in the booty chart.
We've got a mini that makes fun of obesity, has the word "fat" in its name (a word that some people will find deeply offensive) and it has a bare midriff!
The only thing that it's missing is the combat heels!
Come on, you're letting your cause down, people. Shame on you.
In other news, looks like Operation:Flamestrike 2.0 is happening.
Agreed. They need to stop, pull the product, and apoligise for not using those sculptors to do Blackjack and Locust models. In recompense for the irritation caused by having so much fun, neither of these are to have tactical detritus, nor are they to be in any pose other than a combat crouch and aiming down the sights of their guns. Neither is to showing a bare midriff or be wearing combat heels, female or not.
CB aren't allowed to have fun with their releases. They are to toil away at what a vocal minority thinks the entire community wants. No excuses.
This has to be one of the worst uses of clone legs in the world and one of the most hilarious releases ever. The eating one is a legit great model and somehow makes Infinity feel more real by simply existing. Not everybody is doing eXtreme poses all the time.
Standing around, in the rain eating some takeout, not actually guarding the smuggled weapons your boss wants to sell, only to get ganked by some dude in ten million dollars worth of optical camouflage and servo armour...with a sword. Now that's cyberpunk.
Casey's Law wrote: Where is this horrible vocal minority of 'SJWs' I keep hearing about? I don't think I've encountered them yet, is it on the official forums?
Nothing in there was aimed as SJWs, just the people that want nothing but hardass 'realistic' military types doing nothing but standing around aiming their guns.
Casey's Law wrote: Where is this horrible vocal minority of 'SJWs' I keep hearing about? I don't think I've encountered them yet, is it on the official forums?
Nothing in there was aimed as SJWs, just the people that want nothing but hardass 'realistic' military types doing nothing but standing around aiming their guns.
I assumed the people Chillreaper was talking about were the same people you are talking about but I see what you're saying now. I'm still not sure that I've encountered either group, not to the degree I'm hearing about anyway.
Casey's Law wrote: Where is this horrible vocal minority of 'SJWs' I keep hearing about? I don't think I've encountered them yet, is it on the official forums?
Nothing in there was aimed as SJWs, just the people that want nothing but hardass 'realistic' military types doing nothing but standing around aiming their guns.
I assumed the people Chillreaper was talking about were the same people you are talking about but I see what you're saying now. I'm still not sure that I've encountered either group, not to the degree I'm hearing about anyway.
Any time a model with combat heels or a bare midriff is released, they come out. Any time a model is standing on a rock/helmet/peice of broken building, they come out. Any time a model is holding its gun up rather than pointing it forward looking down the sights, they come out.
You just have to sit here or on the official boards during preview releases to see it.
Glad that CB can have fun with their world. A little disappointed that this probably means I won't get a chain rifle yuan yuan any time soon as this release isn't for me. At least I can have no qualms about my Sikh conversion now.
They're limited edition, so a proper resculpt should still be on the cards. My guess is when they get put in one of those rumoured mercenary sectorials with a higher AVA to justify a 4 model box.
Casey's Law wrote: Where is this horrible vocal minority of 'SJWs' I keep hearing about? I don't think I've encountered them yet, is it on the official forums?
Nothing in there was aimed as SJWs, just the people that want nothing but hardass 'realistic' military types doing nothing but standing around aiming their guns.
I assumed the people Chillreaper was talking about were the same people you are talking about but I see what you're saying now. I'm still not sure that I've encountered either group, not to the degree I'm hearing about anyway.
Of course you've seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The Official Forum, like Camelot, is a very silly place indeed. It is rife with these "SJW's"-- at least as I understand the term. They have generated hundred of pages (IIRC) of comments on the usual subjects. I, proudly, have never read them. Well, every so often, a quick skim of a few comments just to confirm my own biases. And maybe do a bit of drive-by trolling
We all have our peeves, no? I dislike the tactical debris on bases. It's a pragmatic thing. I am a slow painter, and that stuff is just something more to paint-- slowing me even further-- that has nothing to do with the mini. However, looking at the tactical debris on the 'landing on his fat ass' Fat Yuan Yuan, I can see that it is a part of the mini, the pulpibeer joke part. So, no complaints about it from me.
My complaint is pending discovery of how difficult it will be to get the Fat Yuan-Yuan. The minis are just right. CB hit this one well out of the park. We'll find out on the morrow.
Interesting stuff, lads. I know there can be little ripples here at times but I had no idea it was the tip of an iceberg, I'll be heading over to see what this is all about. I'm a one forum kind of guy, always have been so I'm kind of insulated I guess, I should get out more. I didn't even know what an SJW was until I looked it up yesterday and I'm still not convinced they exist.
I'm pretty split on the Fat Yuan Yuan release. For every element I like there is one, or two, I don't.
Fat Yuan Yuan and Manga go up for preorder tomorrow(March 13).
I'm looking forward to the manga. I bought the first Art Book as it was something I wanted to see them continue doing things like that. I was disappointed by it in comparison to other Art Books I got at the time(Titanfall, Mass Effect, etc)--but it's still something that others have enjoyed. So I'll pay up for the Manga, hope it's good and at the worst I got that sweet Knauf model for a new Hexa Sniper.
I'm pretty sure that I'll end up getting both of these.
I didn't get the whole "Fat Yuan-yuan" thing initially, but thinking about how it developed from a forum joke into something that was actually developed, without being too silly makes me smile.
Okay, it's pretty silly compared to most of the stuff in Infinity, but still not immersion breaking and no worse than a bunch of Bakunin guys doing Guardians of the Galaxy cosplay. Still don't get the Tohaa-Pokemon things, though!
The manga should be pretty cool (even though it looks like it's going to be the wrong way round :-p) and it's nice to see CB fleshing out the universe in an atypical way.
I was actually pretty okay with the Tohaamon. They're supposed to be genetically engineered creatures that the Tohaa have crafted to aid them in utility roles.
So I watched the BoW video and it was mentioned that there will be another announcement tomorrow on their site, via video I assume, that is something "no one else knows about".
I'm assuming it's whatever boxset they'll be selling at gencon this year or the paridsio rework. Though, since this was filmed weeks ago I guess it could be the Yuan Yuan.
I would be super surprised if it's a boxset ala Red Veil/Icestorm or the Paradiso rework. It wouldn't(or at least shouldn't) be the Yuan Yuan since it's been teased for quite a bit.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be super surprised if it's a boxset ala Red Veil/Icestorm or the Paradiso rework. It wouldn't(or at least shouldn't) be the Yuan Yuan since it's been teased for quite a bit.
Maybe O-12 army pack?
It will be an entire Yuan Yuan army.
In bikinis.
With Blackjack TAGs.
Also featuring Locust Merc, only usable in the Yuan Yuan army.
ITS rules that if you attempt to use either the Blackjack or Locust in any other army, even outside ITS, you auto-forfeit and have to burn your minis.
Monkeysloth wrote: So I watched the BoW video and it was mentioned that there will be another announcement tomorrow on their site, via video I assume, that is something "no one else knows about".
I'm assuming it's whatever boxset they'll be selling at gencon this year or the paridsio rework. Though, since this was filmed weeks ago I guess it could be the Yuan Yuan.
Casey's Law wrote: Where is this horrible vocal minority of 'SJWs' I keep hearing about? I don't think I've encountered them yet, is it on the official forums?
Loki just wanted to make a post aimed at Kanluwen, without saying his name.
Preorders from 13th March to 3rd April for both the Fat Yuan Yuan and the Outrage Manga with Knauf Miniature. You can get both as one order but there doesn't appear to be any discount.
Fat Yuan Yuan is a limited-edition product!
Only available during the pre-order period!
Includes two Fat Yuan Yuan figures, 3 pins, and a Lo Pan‘s menu with the character‘s background
Brutal and devastating: we could define the Yuan Yuan pirates and mercenaries in those terms, but there is no Yuan Yuan more devastating than the Fat Yuan Yuan. A rumor of the fat Yuan Yuan‘s existence caught the attention of the Infinity community on the forums and won a legion of fans who wanted a figure of this charismatic character, and that day has arrived.
FAT YUAN YUAN
2 Limited Edition Figures + 3 Special Pins + Lo Pan‘s Menu
29,95€
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"Across the vast reaches, we grew strong.
We bridged the gaps between stars.
We mastered technology, unlocked the secrets of mind and body. Welcome to the Infinity Universe.
Retired sniper Knauf believes his days as a pawn in the grand game of intrigue are behind him. But an ambitious officer, Emily Handelman, is about to show up at his doorstep to enroll him in an operation where nothing is what it seems. In his hands are now not only state secrets and the lives of Human Sphere citizens, but the blood prize of his own identity. "
DETAILS
Infinity: Outrage Manga Limited Edition Pack
Script: Víctor Santos
Illustration: Kenny Ruiz
PVPR: 19,95€
Number of pages: 192
Format: Kanzenban
Binding: Paperback with color book jacket.
Language: English
Classification [Rated M - Mature] Mature
Presented in a limited edition case containing the manga and a miniature of Knauf, the protagonist of Infinity: Outrage.
AUTHORS
Víctor Santos | Script His varied career as an author and illustrator in the European and American markets includes the series Witch & Wizard, The Mice Templar, Marvel Axis, and the graphic novel Filthy Rich. His graphic novel trilogy Polar, published by Dark Horse Comics, was nominated for the prestigious American Harvey award and is currently being adapted for the big screen by Constantin Films.
Kenny Ruiz | Illustration Among his many projects after working for Disney as an illustrator, the following stand out: El Cazador de Rayos; Barcelona; Le Mystère Nemo, for the French editorial Delcourt; Malefic: Soum, a manga that explores Luis Royo’s Malefic Universe; and Dos Espadas, an awarded young adult manga.
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I love that Carlos made comments about the futuristic hardbodies, and that this had been sort of sculpted quite awhile ago and turned down. Then revisited and modified. He even mentions the female Wulvers.
I like that they are in on the joke, and didn't actually have to spend a bunch of new resources on this.
It kind of puts a damper on the people complaining.
Consider this order for sure, not that there was any doubt.
What he said was he had a concept drawing of a fat guy for the O-12 bootleg mini and it was rejected. It wasn't anything to do with this release, he just mentioned it because it was another fat guy concept.
They already had the old concept drawing obviously but they basically started from scratch using it as a jumping off point. This cost no fewer resources than any release. Probably more.
I like the character it adds to the setting so I'll grab it but I'm not in love with it and there are plenty of things I'd rather have. A fat guy/gal version of something without a model yet with optional noodle eating arms would be even better.
I'll wait and see what Miniature Market charges. I have 'points' with them. These 2 and the BS Yuan-Yuan from Red Veil will be all the Yuan-Yuan I need.
So much for my resolution to buy no new minis until I paint the ones I have The noodle eater looks like a blast to paint though.
Alpharius, the P&M blog threads have always been the friendliest and nicest on Dakka. I recommend that everyone spend time viewing those threads to see how nice a forum can be. Plus, cool pix of cool projects. Nothing but win
More, BoW previews, luckily they aren't as bad as they used to be.
Edit: And Giraldez posted the second set of Fat Yuan Yuan pictures. The previous set I posted two pages ago if anyone is looking for them. Again more angles in his facebook album.
I just got the new Raicho pilot, and while same height as Treitak Anyat, her body proportions seem rather large for a mecha pilot. her mask is also quite large, as her torso and hips, seems a bit a amazon in comparison to also male Morats. Makes me wonder why so much bigger a female? her feet are about the same scale as the female figures. and she looks far to big to pilot the current Raicho sculpt.
Hmm... although I find DA shock ammo hilarious, is he really worth 2 points less than a Nisse with exact load out? He seems to have a lot of bloat, CC19, stealth, heavy pistol and multi terrain... How much of that is honestly useful on a frequent basis, on a platform that rarely moves?
We have a sub forum for that sort of discussion about the Raicho pilot. However, I'll chime in and say it's more to do with the Raicho being too small. The pilot arms are tiny, which tells you it's not big enough. The fact that the Raicho pilot scales well with an older model should tell you it's the right size.
Not saying we'll get a resculpt any time soon, but it's just too small.
Zewrath wrote: Hmm... although I find DA shock ammo hilarious, is he really worth 2 points less than a Nisse with exact load out? He seems to have a lot of bloat, CC19, stealth, heavy pistol and multi terrain... How much of that is honestly useful on a frequent basis, on a platform that rarely moves?
If they didn't make him different, he's just a mercenary Nisse.
I'm guessing some of that has to do with the character in the manga. He probably gets up to some sneaking and fisticuffs so they wanted to make him okay in CC with a higher than normal stat and sneaky with Stealth.
Shock Heavy pistol though. I can dig it on a sniper. Sometimes someone just gets too close for comfort, and you need to use that sidearm. Stealth can actually be useful there for getting the drop on someone that got too close with that Heavy Pistol. Multiterrain is a bloat skill though.
I do like the end result. He's not good enough that he overshadows good dedicated faction snipers. But he's not bad enough that you wouldn't consider using him. He's in a good place for a merc sniper with an LE model. I can see using him for fun because I have the model and not feeling like I'm handicapping myself.
Casey's Law wrote: Preorders from 13th March to 3rd April for both the Fat Yuan Yuan and the Outrage Manga with Knauf Miniature. You can get both as one order but there doesn't appear to be any discount.
SYNOPSIS[/center]
"Across the vast reaches, we grew strong.
We bridged the gaps between stars.
We mastered technology, unlocked the secrets of mind and body. Welcome to the Infinity Universe.
Retired sniper Knauf believes his days as a pawn in the grand game of intrigue are behind him. But an ambitious officer, Emily Handelman, is about to show up at his doorstep to enroll him in an operation where nothing is what it seems. In his hands are now not only state secrets and the lives of Human Sphere citizens, but the blood prize of his own identity. "
DETAILS
Infinity: Outrage Manga Limited Edition Pack
Script: Víctor Santos
Illustration: Kenny Ruiz
PVPR: 19,95€
Number of pages: 192
Format: Kanzenban
Binding: Paperback with color book jacket.
Language: English
Classification [Rated M - Mature] Mature
Presented in a limited edition case containing the manga and a miniature of Knauf, the protagonist of Infinity: Outrage.
AUTHORS
Víctor Santos | Script His varied career as an author and illustrator in the European and American markets includes the series Witch & Wizard, The Mice Templar, Marvel Axis, and the graphic novel Filthy Rich. His graphic novel trilogy Polar, published by Dark Horse Comics, was nominated for the prestigious American Harvey award and is currently being adapted for the big screen by Constantin Films.
Kenny Ruiz | Illustration Among his many projects after working for Disney as an illustrator, the following stand out: El Cazador de Rayos; Barcelona; Le Mystère Nemo, for the French editorial Delcourt; Malefic: Soum, a manga that explores Luis Royo’s Malefic Universe; and Dos Espadas, an awarded young adult manga.
INFINITY OUTRAGE LIMITED EDITION PACK
Manga + Exclusive Figure
19,95€
Preorder March 13th to April 3rd 2017 BOOK NOW
Does anyone know whether this will be offered in stores? The $22 shipping fee to the US is insane...doubling the cost.
I'd very highly recommend Shae Konnit Games for anyone in the UK, maybe even outside of it depending on how postage works out for something this heavy.
I've got almost all of my Infinity books and miniatures from them at this point and I couldn't be happier with the service. Prices are great, Shae runs the splits service and everything always arrives ultra fast and very nicely packaged.
They're doing the Fat Yuan Yuan box at £20.80 and the Outrage Manga at £13.60. If they aren't too heavy for his flat shipping rate then it's cheap for that too. Not to mention if you spend enough there is a free shipping threshold.
Some really nice concept art and orange models in there, hopefully we'll get some hi-res versions of some of those dossiers shortly. The new Riotgrrls look a LOT more dynamic than the current models, which was sorely needed. I couldn't tell if they kept the silly nipple armor, though.
Someone posted up decent images on Facebook, which then got onto the official forums. Be warned, lots of images incoming. Gonna spoiler them and break them up into factions:
PanOceania Bagh Mari HMG render
Spoiler:
Yu Jing Shikami dossier
Spoiler:
Zhanying Agent render
Spoiler:
Ariadna
USARF Minutemen render
Spoiler:
USARF Airborne with Molotok render
Spoiler:
New Caledonia stuff! Dossiers:
Spoiler:
Renders:
Spoiler:
The Volunteers renders are a mixture of the starter set and the Special Weapons box models.
Tohaa Sukeul Commando with Missile Launcher(it's on the back of the model slung) render:
Spoiler:
Gorgos Pilot render:
Spoiler:
Combined Army Nexus Operative dossier:
Spoiler:
Haqqislam Hassassin Ayyar render:
Spoiler:
New Mercenary Character Major Lunaah dossier and render:
Spoiler:
Nomads Riot Grrls render:
Spoiler:
(Note: I'm actually a big fan of this new design for them. They have more character than the original designs)
Gecko Pilot render:
Spoiler:
Last, but most definitely not least...
ALEPH Danavas Hacker(Operations Subsection--a new Vedic model!) dossier and render:
I don't play Infinity, but all these pictures keep making me want to... Fat Yuan Yuan appeals to me for some reason. Kind of nice to see a mini that isn't super-model thin I guess? And he's a little comical.
) with a Su Jian and a few other units, just to have 300 points and a small amount of variety. However, I have plenty of other minis to paint, so I am in no hurry at all.
for a minute!
I see the 'Collector' reference, but the others are a long stretch to my eyes ( Gamora because of the two tone hair? not to my eyes.) I think they are forcing their creativity at this point. A new concept artist-- which they are seeking-- may help, but this may be a sculptor issue.
PanOceania
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