TalonZahn wrote: Well, the obvious solution to better pictures is to take them yourself.
Next time I won't bother posting anything.
I appreciate the pics even if I don't necessarily like what they show. Now make sure to swing by the Palladium booth and snap some photos of the all of the new mouth watering wave two minis as well.
Those images are so painful too see. Ugh. Especially Sally. Looks very Morat/CA to me. No, I'm not confusing it with the avatar.
It does look a lot like a Sogarat w/ Feuerbach in that pic, but I think with a clearer pic and a proper Nomads paintjob it'll fit right in next to the Iquana and Geckos. I love this redesign, but a new take on the old design would have been really interesting to see. New one is a completely different model, it doesn't keep any of the design elements of the old Szalamandra and that's a little sad. I've had the same issues with the PanO heavy infantry redesign, the Guijia and the Maghariba Guard. In all of those cases the redesign was hands down better quality sculpts, but I do miss the more GitS/Appleseed aesthetic that the old ones had. Still, the redesigns are much cleaner designs and the assembly has vastly improved over the years. Also, the added size makes them pretty impressive on the table compared to the old designs. CB has been redesigning most of their older totally-not-appleseed designs into more original (and complex) designs the last few years. Newer stuff is easier to paint because of those added details, more panel lines and greebles to catch washes and edge highlights and accent colors, fewer large smooth round areas
Well, the obvious solution to better pictures is to take them yourself.
Next time I won't bother posting anything.
He's talking more about the actual content shown in the pics, not the quality. Posting those here is always appreciated, even if they'll just get replaced later with HD versions. Makes my slow saturday more interesting at the very least
CB has been redesigning most of their older totally-not-appleseed designs into more original (and complex) designs the last few years. Newer stuff is easier to paint because of those added details, more panel lines and greebles to catch washes and edge highlights and accent colors, fewer large smooth round areas.
The general redesign direction has pushed Infinity into more generic territory. Changes on the models such as increased scale, flat surfaces and open poses are their attempt to lower the bar of painting skill. Oddly, I thought the entry curve wasn't problematic as you really required only time and patience. The rest is up to the individual. Of course ignoring the experience that the design/production team has accumulated (be it in or out) over the course of various procjects and pin every success on the director doesn't seem quite correct assessment.
I'm firmly in the camp of "one of these things doesn't look like the other". Why not just retire the old model and bring out a new TAG rather than retcon the look. Yes, the new models are technically better than what they replace, but they aren't really resculpting the originals so much as making something new and calling it the same thing. As CB moves away from the original anime inspirations My interest wains in Infinity.
Addendum: Wonder if CB will give the Szally its Morlock pilot from the original art. Also, without the tail it looks like a Cobra from Heavy Gear.
Blackjack kinda sucks. Shouldn't have a sword & ought the be carrying the HMG, not shoulder mounted.
T2 sniper rifle--and yeah, it absolutely should be shoulder mounted.
Best design yet for a HI like that in my opinion. And the machete will be super easy to clip.
The thing is overwrought with junk strapped to every surface.
Clipping the machete will give it the hated ragefist.
The thing is "primitive" exoarmor called the Buffalo.
Of course it's overwrought with junk!
And ragefist is better than random machete, in my opinion. I think a big reason that the shoulder mount looks funky is that the SMG and T2 Sniper are on the same arm. If the SMG were on the left and the sniper remained on the right it could look a bit less cluttery.
But given that the T2 sniper and SMG seem to be operated differently, with the T2 sniper having what looks like the rig for the crewman operated remote weapon systems we have on APCs and the like now while the SMG just looks like you point and "brrrrrt"...I'm pretty okay with this.
-Loki- wrote: Man, all the hype, all the waiting, and we get that? I'm glad I never got into USAriadna.
I'm actually really happy with it. I had hoped for something akin to the "Goliath" armor suit from Call of Duty's "Advanced Warfare" game...and I got it.
Even though my group has been on a massive Malifaux binge for the last few months, I'm genuinely excited about three months of awesome Haqqislam releases. New Bahram starter, new Muyibs box, resculpted Druze.
-Loki- wrote: Even though my group has been on a massive Malifaux binge for the last few months, I'm genuinely excited about three months of awesome Haqqislam releases. New Bahram starter, new Muyibs box, resculpted Druze.
I'm feeling that way about the Blackjacks(OCTOOOOOOOOOOOOBEEER!) and the Szalamandra...
I split boxed a Beyond Icestorm with someone locally so I have a Kriza Borac that will be awaiting me.
I'm hoping to be able to replicate this by GenCon of next year.
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Better images of the Staldron and Avatar--they're Facebooked though, so they can get rehosted if necessary by someone else.
The new avatar... unexpected. Cool (maybe) but I like the handwave the current version is doing. Like it's controlling a marionette... or a sepsitorized someone...
TalonZahn wrote: Well, the obvious solution to better pictures is to take them yourself.
Next time I won't bother posting anything.
The obvious solution is focus the camera.
But you're not the photographer, TZ, so don't take my comment personally. I do appreciate that you posted something. Blurry images are better than no images, even if they give me an eyestrain head-ache if I look at them too long. (Presbyopia sucks in many ways.) We can at least get a sense of the mini, and know that it is not vaporware anymore.
But you're not the photographer, TZ, so don't take my comment personally. I do appreciate that you posted something. Blurry images are better than no images, even if they give me an eyestrain head-ache if I look at them too long. (Presbyopia sucks in many ways.) We can at least get a sense of the mini, and know that it is not vaporware anymore.
CB's GenCon seminars are generally packed. Doremicom(the guy who live-streamed the seminar) was probably set up not too close to the screen so as to not block anyone out from seeing it, but at a weird angle as well...add to it compression, etc from the stream itself and you get these kinds of issues when people take stills from the stream.
We know we're getting high quality scans of the slides from CB themselves sometime(tm).
Yea, the Stream I was actually watching, while trying not to throw a brick at my 2 boys, was Joels. His stream was crystal clear, but on a phone and he wasn't snapping pics.
I've eaten some hydrocodone, so I much more mellow now.
The Blackjack looks exactly like what it should: A Low-tech piece of crap compared to streamlined and nearly form-fitting suits everyone else has. Mounting the main weapon either as an undermount or as a shoulder gun was exactly what I hoped, as well as having all those roll bars and stuff.
It looks like someone had a Humvee merge with a Space Marine Terminator, which is perfect given that it's very mechanical and not 'cyber' at all. For those, you have the Haqq S5 units.
Meanwhile, stuff like the ORC Suits outperform the Blackjack due to being way more high tech, which is perfect.
Hollow Men were mentioned as having Structure instead of Wounds, so it looks more and more like my speculation of them being combat remotes is spot on...
December Releases
-Szalamandra Squadron
-Nexus Operatives
-Kanren Counter-insurgency group
-Druze Shock Teams (box)
-Neema Saatar, spitfire
-repack of Hassassin Lasiq
-repack of Kazak Spetsnaz
.Mikes. wrote: I wonder why they're repacking the SPeteznas. They're relatively new.
There's 3 different Spetsnaz available right now. I haven't seen a list of which ones will be in the repack.
We have the HMG and Sniper who are the Ambush Camo ones and the Boarding Shotgun which is AD.
If I had to guess? It's HMG+Sniper as the blister and the Boarding Shotgun will remain available by itself until we get the TAK Sectorial and a Rifle Spetsnaz.
Finally seeing a good painted shot of the Muyib, I really like it. It takes the old design, updates it with some modern aesthetics like the boots, but overall keeps the design the same.
If the scale isn't drastically different (and it shouldn't be, the Govads scaled exactly with the old Muyibs) then I'll be able to use both the new and old interchangeably. Double HRL and/or Spitfire and extra Rifles without having to have repeat models is great.
Ayyar Shock Marksman Rifle is what I wanted the first Ayyar to look like. Mean and aggressive.
Farzan is... there. Pose is basic, model is good. Nothing special, but it'll spend most of the game as a token anyway.
New Daylami are nice. What I thought was the LGL is a Light Shotgun which is super nice, giving you a second Panzerfaust model.
Nice starter, dragged down by the okay Farzan. Can't wait to get it.
.Mikes. wrote: I wonder why they're repacking the SPeteznas. They're relatively new.
There's 3 different Spetsnaz available right now. I haven't seen a list of which ones will be in the repack.
We have the HMG and Sniper who are the Ambush Camo ones and the Boarding Shotgun which is AD.
If I had to guess? It's HMG+Sniper as the blister and the Boarding Shotgun will remain available by itself until we get the TAK Sectorial and a Rifle Spetsnaz.
I hope this means they're going to start releasing the SWC choices in pairs going forward.
Issuing repacks afterwards is irritating.
I.E.: I already have the plain nomad zero, but now want the zero hacker.
If i decide to get the one model i missed out on, i need to buy a redundant model as well.
Plz just release them in pairs from here on out.
.Mikes. wrote: I wonder why they're repacking the SPeteznas. They're relatively new.
There's 3 different Spetsnaz available right now. I haven't seen a list of which ones will be in the repack.
We have the HMG and Sniper who are the Ambush Camo ones and the Boarding Shotgun which is AD.
If I had to guess? It's HMG+Sniper as the blister and the Boarding Shotgun will remain available by itself until we get the TAK Sectorial and a Rifle Spetsnaz.
I hope this means they're going to start releasing the SWC choices in pairs going forward.
Issuing repacks afterwards is irritating.
I.E.: I already have the plain nomad zero, but now want the zero hacker.
If i decide to get the one model i missed out on, i need to buy a redundant model as well.
Plz just release them in pairs from here on out.
Well, that Zero Hacker was available on it's own for over half a decade. In fact, if you still want it you shouldn't have any trouble finding it. Theres a few on ebay now. In general it would be nice to see more two model blisters, but the argument against that was so often people saying "but I ONLY want the Zero Hacker. Why do I also have to pay for the Zero w'Combi Rifle?" Unfortunately theres no way to please everyone.
.Mikes. wrote: I wonder why they're repacking the SPeteznas. They're relatively new.
There's 3 different Spetsnaz available right now. I haven't seen a list of which ones will be in the repack.
We have the HMG and Sniper who are the Ambush Camo ones and the Boarding Shotgun which is AD.
If I had to guess? It's HMG+Sniper as the blister and the Boarding Shotgun will remain available by itself until we get the TAK Sectorial and a Rifle Spetsnaz.
I hope this means they're going to start releasing the SWC choices in pairs going forward.
Issuing repacks afterwards is irritating.
I.E.: I already have the plain nomad zero, but now want the zero hacker.
If i decide to get the one model i missed out on, i need to buy a redundant model as well.
Plz just release them in pairs from here on out.
Well, that Zero Hacker was available on it's own for over half a decade. In fact, if you still want it you shouldn't have any trouble finding it. Theres a few on ebay now. In general it would be nice to see more two model blisters, but the argument against that was so often people saying "but I ONLY want the Zero Hacker. Why do I also have to pay for the Zero w'Combi Rifle?" Unfortunately theres no way to please everyone.
Which is a stance I'll never understand.
There has never been a time for Infinity where I've thought that I wanted less options from a set than I was given. I always want more content that justifies the price I paid.
I suspect we'll see more multi config models if anything. The 4 packs are essentially a pair of them and we're seeing more in things like the upcoming SWAST.
LunarSol wrote: I suspect we'll see more multi config models if anything. The 4 packs are essentially a pair of them and we're seeing more in things like the upcoming SWAST.
And we're also not seeing more in things like the Blackjack, which has a whopping two profiles(APHMG, D.E.P., Chest Mines or T2 Sniper, SMG, Chest Mines) and is getting a box with just one.
Honestly it just seems to be when the mood strikes them. The Taskmaster "variant" we're getting is literally just one alternate arm.
That Outrage packet has some interesting looking bits... a Druze Sectorial (of sorts) and the profiles for the Outrage Minis. It will be interesting to give it a closer read later.
LunarSol wrote: I suspect we'll see more multi config models if anything. The 4 packs are essentially a pair of them and we're seeing more in things like the upcoming SWAST.
And we're also not seeing more in things like the Blackjack, which has a whopping two profiles(APHMG, D.E.P., Chest Mines or T2 Sniper, SMG, Chest Mines) and is getting a box with just one.
Honestly it just seems to be when the mood strikes them. The Taskmaster "variant" we're getting is literally just one alternate arm.
This does seem to be the case some times, maddeningly enough...
.Mikes. wrote: I wonder why they're repacking the SPeteznas. They're relatively new.
There's 3 different Spetsnaz available right now. I haven't seen a list of which ones will be in the repack.
We have the HMG and Sniper who are the Ambush Camo ones and the Boarding Shotgun which is AD.
If I had to guess? It's HMG+Sniper as the blister and the Boarding Shotgun will remain available by itself until we get the TAK Sectorial and a Rifle Spetsnaz.
I hope this means they're going to start releasing the SWC choices in pairs going forward.
Issuing repacks afterwards is irritating.
I.E.: I already have the plain nomad zero, but now want the zero hacker.
If i decide to get the one model i missed out on, i need to buy a redundant model as well.
Plz just release them in pairs from here on out.
Well, that Zero Hacker was available on it's own for over half a decade. In fact, if you still want it you shouldn't have any trouble finding it. Theres a few on ebay now. In general it would be nice to see more two model blisters, but the argument against that was so often people saying "but I ONLY want the Zero Hacker. Why do I also have to pay for the Zero w'Combi Rifle?" Unfortunately theres no way to please everyone.
Which is a stance I'll never understand.
There has never been a time for Infinity where I've thought that I wanted less options from a set than I was given. I always want more content that justifies the price I paid.
Exactly.
Hopefully they release them in pairs from here on out.
Though some still need yet a 3rd sculpt.
I.E. no BS zero still.
Exactly. Hopefully they release them in pairs from here on out. Though some still need yet a 3rd sculpt. I.E. no BS zero still.
Not every profile is ever going to be available. It just isn't possible until and unless CB start giving alternate arms and really make the most of each model.
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In case anyone wanted to see some high-res images of the Blackjack, there you go. We got an HD version of the seminar and I sat down and screencapped the good stuff.
Wonder if new Szally will mean new profiles?
When you have HRMC, you really don't need much else in life. However the current profile is rather devoid of any special bibs n bobs found on most big ticket units now.
.Mikes. wrote: Watching the seminar Carlos said Hopsitallers/ Joan byt 'the end of 2017 or the beginning of 2018;. SO I'm guessing that means January or Feb now.
They're being purposely spread out. Joan is in November(preorders in October) and the Hospitallers are next year, with DeFersen coming sometime then.
The idea is to have the "Death Star" available by the next book.
Kanluwen wrote: The idea is to have the "Death Star" available by the next book.
Terribly unexciting.
Can't say I like Blackjack, the machete kills it for me. Can't wait for Druze, although having alternatives to QK would be swell.
The blackjack pose is awful. It's just standing there like a mannequin. It's so overly bulky I doubt it could be posed any differently.
It's always a head scratcher when a unit that really doesn't do CC very well gets a pose involving a giant sword/machete.
It's always a head scratcher when a unit that really doesn't do CC very well gets a pose involving a giant sword/machete.
I'm not usually a fan of that either, but in this case I think it makes a lot of sense. That rig would definitely need something like a machete to clear a path and ensure it doesn't get tangled up in underbrush, tree branches and other foliage.
Kanluwen wrote: The idea is to have the "Death Star" available by the next book.
Terribly unexciting.
Can't say I like Blackjack, the machete kills it for me. Can't wait for Druze, although having alternatives to QK would be swell.
The blackjack pose is awful. It's just standing there like a mannequin. It's so overly bulky I doubt it could be posed any differently.
It's an exoskeletal fire support suit...even if it weren't "so overly bulky", what pose did you want it to have? Doing a backflip while rocking out on a Les Paul that fires lightning?
It's always a head scratcher when a unit that really doesn't do CC very well gets a pose involving a giant sword/machete.
It's really not a huge head-scratcher...
It's supposedly a way to try and make the pose look more "natural"(lol) without letting the ragefist just be a thing.
Truthfully, the same effect could have been achieved by having the SMG on the left arm instead but whoever it is that sculpted the thing clearly didn't think about that one. It even could have worked with the Blackjack laying down fire with his SMG to the left while the T2 Sniper looks to the right since it has a camera system built onto the scope.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Wonder if new Szally will mean new profiles?
When you have HRMC, you really don't need much else in life. However the current profile is rather devoid of any special bibs n bobs found on most big ticket units now.
The special gimmicks are plenty for the Szally.
HRMC is a rare weapon and the most powerful in the game.
BTS9 makes it tied for the highest in TAGs, and is strong enough to really shrug off most hacking and stuff like viral weapons easy.
The Pilot is a Killer Hacker with an anti-materiel gun, so she can pop the hatch, murder an enemy hacker, then get back into her robot. That's kinda amazing.
So, here's the answer as to why The Warstore no longer has the Beyond packs on their website:
TheWarStore.com We have sold through our initial shipment of these and are not sure if/when we will be able to get more, so we have disabled them until we know for sure about resupply. Sorry for the inconvenience.
GameNerdz still has a few of each. However, they are in Plano, Texas. They are having a bit of weather, so I have no idea how much impact that might have on shipping. Miniature Market has plenty too.
About 260 miles, not that distant. The effects of the hurricane proper, which was about 200 miles across, are reaching far beyond Houston. We'll all see one of them next time we fill our gas tanks :(
Nonetheless, some pre-orders seem to be available.
ITS Season 9 rules showed up. They're wild. I'm very excited to try the remix of the missions, and do stuff with the improved TAGs and buff to single order groups.
Not a fan of the new layout, mission titles are in a strange font/color that blends into the page as you scroll through and it no longer looks like the N3 rulebook layout. Some interesting changes including attackable HVTs, TAGs all get Fatality L1 (+1 damage), no using Stragegic command tokens to strip 2 orders against single combat group lists (was previously only on limited insertion, now applies to all single group lists). PanO has some preset Svarlaheima sectorial lists you can take. Combined Army got 2 of the ALIVE! crew for some reason. Perhaps the saddest change is that the objective room missions are all gone or changed so that there are no objective rooms. Good for TOs not needing to supply one for every table, but sad to see Armory go away. Strange that Tic-Tac-Toe stayed as-is if it's a TO supply issue, needing 9 antennas for every table is annoying. Looks like some of the Wotan missions made it in too, with the split deployment corners. Escalation league point values are still dumb, they add a 6th week and now start at 100 points week one and the odd 120 point round is week 2 now.
Personally I think the Fatality lvlv 1o to all TAGs is a mistake. The smaller tags like the Geckos and Seraph could have used a boost, but DMG 16 B5 HRMC on the Dragoe is insane.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still use them, but I'll feel dirty doing it.
I'm most excited about the test Svarl lists. Gotta get me some more Nisses.
Fatality on TAGs is good to differentiate them from everybody else, bonus is that now operators after been ejected do not have the same weapon as the TAG.
Some have pointed out that it also only affects attacks that actually use the BS skill, so it won't apply to template weapons like heavy flamethrowers or chain colts. I think it's a good way to encourage TAG use without pushing them into must-use territory. I might just paint up my 4th Gecko and try the double-duo list this weekend
Yes. Yes you do. We are still waiting on a Nisse combi resculpt. And maybe a few new profiles -- probably a boarding shotgun, for when they get fireteam rules in the next ( or after next) book.
Kalamadea wrote: I think it's a good way to encourage TAG use without pushing them into must-use territory.
I think this is the overall goal of what they're doing to TAGs. Link teams are just flat out better, often for comparable costs. More wounds on the table, more orders generated, more weapon types - and weapons overall, specialists. Often the only area a TAG wins out is ARM, and even then unless it's a MBT you get comparable protection from cover, which is much easier to get for S2 models than a TAG.
However, TAGs are expensive models. Not just to buy, but to develop. They're centrepiece models, so more design time making sure they're suitably impressive looking, more production time to make sure these large parts cast properly and aren't too expensive to make (see the hollowed out Maghariba Guard body), all for a model that is generally seen as sub-par.
So the first buff was pilot profiles. They're all specialists, and all have their own little unique thing going for them (Paramedic with Boarding Shotgun, Killer Hacker, dual Assault Pistols, etc). This helped bring TAGs up in the much more objective-centric game play post N3. Now they're buffing their firepower.
While it's irritating they're 'testing' these changes in ITS, it's a good way to see the competitive community's reaction to them while getting them to play actual games with them, rather than the usual theory-crafting and whining you get from actual public beta tests.
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw little incremental buffs to TAGs ITS season after ITS season until their sales hit the level they're happy with without the competitive community crying foul.
Grabbed Beyond Red Veil. After building Wyrds jigsaw puzzle plastics for the last few months, it was a pleasant surprise to dig out the Fiday and it's only 3 pieces.
Usual gorgeous sculpts that I'm dreading painting.
Monkeysloth wrote: Don't think there's been a story explanation yet. They're in CA because the winner of ITS Season 8 got to choose what faction they join.
Yep, and the winner played PanO for the most part...
Monkeysloth wrote: Don't think there's been a story explanation yet. They're in CA because the winner of ITS Season 8 got to choose what faction they join.
Yep, and the winner played PanO for the most part...
They may also play CA, or like the story connotations or something.
Monkeysloth wrote: Don't think there's been a story explanation yet. They're in CA because the winner of ITS Season 8 got to choose what faction they join.
Yep, and the winner played PanO for the most part...
They may also play CA, or like the story connotations or something.
What happened to the other 2?
They played PanO to win, the characters should go to the faction that was played for the win.
It's known that he also plays CA which is fine and dandy, but the whole "We're going to give the characters to whatever faction the winner wants" was flawed from the get-go.
It's known that he also plays CA which is fine and dandy, but the whole "We're going to give the characters to whatever faction the winner wants" was flawed from the get-go.
Meh, I think I'm happier with the idea of "I power game with this faction to win support for the faction I love but don't find as competitive" a better narrative than "The best factions win new toys".
Neither is a correct view of the situation, but I don't think its wrong for the winner to have the ability to choose what he feels is best for the game regardless of what made him the winner in the first place.
here will be a Collector's Limited Edition of Aristeia! that will include exclusive material and an additional copy of the miniatures in metal. It will be available to pre-order on October 26th, 2017.
It's known that he also plays CA which is fine and dandy, but the whole "We're going to give the characters to whatever faction the winner wants" was flawed from the get-go.
Meh, I think I'm happier with the idea of "I power game with this faction to win support for the faction I love but don't find as competitive" a better narrative than "The best factions win new toys".
Neither is a correct view of the situation, but I don't think its wrong for the winner to have the ability to choose what he feels is best for the game regardless of what made him the winner in the first place.
I do.
It's one thing for a fluff thing to happen, something else entirely for a game profile.
here will be a Collector's Limited Edition of Aristeia! that will include exclusive material and an additional copy of the miniatures in metal. It will be available to pre-order on October 26th, 2017.
Well that is a reversal. Carlos told me at GenCon there would be no Aristeia metals. Know several other people also asked him, so must have felt the demand was there.
Not the usual CB quality with metal but average board game plastics.
The thing is that I still don't know if I'm gonna enjoy this game so much that I might want to pick up the Metal Edition.
Has anyone had a chance to use the Kriza Borac yet?
I have mine from the Beyond Ice Storm set but I have not had a chance to use him yet, what with the delays in the pre-orders coming in at our end.
From what I can see he is pretty expensive but seems to function like a miniature TAG. However he does seem just that little bit too expensive when compared to his competitors, especially the Pan-O HI's, which seem to get better things for a cheaper price.
Also, for some strange reason, the Lieutenant profile with the 360 visor costs a point more than the none lieutenant option - orat least it does in the official army builder. Is this a typo?
here will be a Collector's Limited Edition of Aristeia! that will include exclusive material and an additional copy of the miniatures in metal. It will be available to pre-order on October 26th, 2017.
Well that is a reversal. Carlos told me at GenCon there would be no Aristeia metals. Know several other people also asked him, so must have felt the demand was there.
This is great news - I know I'll be picking it up in metal!
It's known that he also plays CA which is fine and dandy, but the whole "We're going to give the characters to whatever faction the winner wants" was flawed from the get-go.
Meh, I think I'm happier with the idea of "I power game with this faction to win support for the faction I love but don't find as competitive" a better narrative than "The best factions win new toys".
Neither is a correct view of the situation, but I don't think its wrong for the winner to have the ability to choose what he feels is best for the game regardless of what made him the winner in the first place.
I do.
It's one thing for a fluff thing to happen, something else entirely for a game profile.
Why?
The faction didn't win ITS, correct? The player did?
I need to save those Aristea pictures, for the next time local Infinity players will feel cocky enough to claim that expertise with metal casting transfers equally well to plastic casting.
competitors, especially the Pan-O HI's, which seem to get better things for a cheaper price
You'll need to explain your reasoning and post some comparisons.
BJ's machete still doesn't look well to me, however USA does look nice in light brown colours.
Knight wrote: I need to save those Aristea pictures, for the next time local Infinity players will feel cocky enough to claim that expertise with metal casting transfers equally well to plastic casting.
Not sure that a valid comparison can be made until we have them in our hands. The metal ones are being introduced because players asked and so that they can be used in games of Infinity too, not because they're worried that their plastics are crap.
It's one thing for a fluff thing to happen, something else entirely for a game profile.
Why?
The faction didn't win ITS, correct? The player did?
For me, personally, it just kind of feels gimmicky. "Hey, the best player in the world gets to add a unit to whatever faction they want!"--they then pick their alternate army while playing a list that had nothing to do with that alternate army.
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Vain wrote: Painted BJ has allayed my fears. I am now firmly behind it!
The machete is rather bland looking. There are many other styles of machete that would have looked cooler. They gave the chest mine a claymore detail. The mini itself, looks impressive. It also looks gecko sized.
A quick reminder of the previews for this month:
-Blackjacks, 10th heavy ranger battalion
-Andromeda
-Taskmaster Swast team
-Pneumarch -- CA HVT mini
-Crusader Brethren Multi-rifle+ LFT
-Re-pack of Gao-Rael
-Re-pack of Tiger Soldiers
-300 point Corregidor army box (re-pack)
Knight wrote: I need to save those Aristea pictures, for the next time local Infinity players will feel cocky enough to claim that expertise with metal casting transfers equally well to plastic casting.
Not sure that a valid comparison can be made until we have them in our hands. The metal ones are being introduced because players asked and so that they can be used in games of Infinity too, not because they're worried that their plastics are crap.
I didn't claim the product is "crap", neither I thought it was worth to comment on another limited edition content or what CB does and how the fanbase interprets it. There's a learning curve involved when taking on a different manufacturing process, proper credit must be given to overcoming problems during the process. Previewed Aristea miniatures aren't on the quality level of CB's usual tin casting, which I think it support the claim that transition isn't as easy as some would have thought out. If they haven't outsourced the manufacturing, I think it looks great for their first project.
Knight wrote: I need to save those Aristea pictures, for the next time local Infinity players will feel cocky enough to claim that expertise with metal casting transfers equally well to plastic casting.
Not sure that a valid comparison can be made until we have them in our hands. The metal ones are being introduced because players asked and so that they can be used in games of Infinity too, not because they're worried that their plastics are crap.
I didn't claim the product is "crap", neither I thought it was worth to comment on another limited edition content or what CB does and how the fanbase interprets it. There's a learning curve involved when taking on a different manufacturing process, proper credit must be given to overcoming problems during the process. Previewed Aristea miniatures aren't on the quality level of CB's usual tin casting, which I think it support the claim that transition isn't as easy as some would have thought out. If they haven't outsourced the manufacturing, I think it looks great for their first project.
They look crap because they look suspiciously like PVC, they remind of the Relic Knight 1st edition "plastics"but a touch better.
If however they are Hips then they drop from crap to shockingly crap, like Mantics men at arms bad.
Of course it is outsourced manufacturing, the investment cost alone to build plastics is atrocious, more so if it is just for boardgame production.
No as far as transition goes, its an entirely different beast, there is no "transition" from metals to plastics, entire different manufacturing process, target numbers, mould crafting, room for error, units needed to sell, everything really.
A quick reminder of the previews for this month:
-Blackjacks, 10th heavy ranger battalion
-Andromeda
-Taskmaster Swast team
-Pneumarch -- CA HVT mini
-Crusader Brethren Multi-rifle+ LFT
-Re-pack of Gao-Rael
-Re-pack of Tiger Soldiers
-300 point Corregidor army box (re-pack)
already having one Crusader Brethren and never feeling the need to field two for my MO force, looks like I'm going to have to be patient for the Hospitaller release before being excited about something.
That's generally the profile I take, but the combined rifle model fills that role fine. I'll pop for the spitfire model if they make one, until then my painting queueu is quite full enough as it is.
PsychoticStorm wrote: No as far as transition goes, its an entirely different beast, there is no "transition" from metals to plastics, entire different manufacturing process, target numbers, mould crafting, room for error, units needed to sell, everything really.
I'm not sure how else you're going to classify your time and investment into additional manufacturing process other than transition/learning period. Typically you'll want experts in their chosen fields or have to have patience with the existing experts as they'll need time to learn to work on the new process. Granted how the management classify it will probably be different from what an engineer might call it.
Knight wrote: I need to save those Aristea pictures, for the next time local Infinity players will feel cocky enough to claim that expertise with metal casting transfers equally well to plastic casting.
Not sure that a valid comparison can be made until we have them in our hands. The metal ones are being introduced because players asked and so that they can be used in games of Infinity too, not because they're worried that their plastics are crap.
I didn't claim the product is "crap", neither I thought it was worth to comment on another limited edition content or what CB does and how the fanbase interprets it. There's a learning curve involved when taking on a different manufacturing process, proper credit must be given to overcoming problems during the process. Previewed Aristea miniatures aren't on the quality level of CB's usual tin casting, which I think it support the claim that transition isn't as easy as some would have thought out. If they haven't outsourced the manufacturing, I think it looks great for their first project.
They look crap because they look suspiciously like PVC, they remind of the Relic Knight 1st edition "plastics"but a touch better.
If however they are Hips then they drop from crap to shockingly crap, like Mantics men at arms bad.
They look bad because they are bad. Modern PVC boardgame peices, for example what CMON is doing with their Zombicides and Massive Darkness, look much better.
Also, it sent entirely the wrong message having Angel paint the master prints to show the sculpts off, and then present these.
I'll be pre ordering because there's a couple of miniatures in there I want as metal to paint, like Lunah and Hexxer. I can stand this quality for boardgame pieces even if there's better examples on the market, I just think CB went about showing them entirely the wrong way.
They look quite good comparable to many similar boardgames, CMON has done an exceptional leap from their initial quality but I do not think we can compare many to cmon recent quality, especially new entrants.
-Loki- wrote: They look bad because they are bad. Modern PVC boardgame peices, for example what CMON is doing with their Zombicides and Massive Darkness, look much better.
Also, it sent entirely the wrong message having Angel paint the master prints to show the sculpts off, and then present these.
I'll be pre ordering because there's a couple of miniatures in there I want as metal to paint, like Lunah and Hexxer. I can stand this quality for boardgame pieces even if there's better examples on the market, I just think CB went about showing them entirely the wrong way.
Agreed on all counts!
For a company known for its quality sculpts and metal minis, this is...not a good first try at a different material.
It would have been worth the money - and time - to have done them right ala Ludo Fact and/or the CMON Factory.
As it is, I'm glad to hear that there will be the option to get them in metal.
-Loki- wrote: They look bad because they are bad. Modern PVC boardgame peices, for example what CMON is doing with their Zombicides and Massive Darkness, look much better.
Also, it sent entirely the wrong message having Angel paint the master prints to show the sculpts off, and then present these.
I'll be pre ordering because there's a couple of miniatures in there I want as metal to paint, like Lunah and Hexxer. I can stand this quality for boardgame pieces even if there's better examples on the market, I just think CB went about showing them entirely the wrong way.
Agreed on all counts!
For a company known for its quality sculpts and metal minis, this is...not a good first try at a different material.
It would have been worth the money - and time - to have done them right ala Ludo Fact and/or the CMON Factory.
As it is, I'm glad to hear that there will be the option to get them in metal.
I'm not.
It will let them slide by and avoid confronting the actual issue of getting their work up to snuff.
Alpharius wrote: If the metals sell and the 'PVC' doesn't, well, that should help send the correct message too.
Though I can see how that message could be misinterpreted and/or ignored too though!
The problem is from what's being said, it's not an option for you to buy one or the other.
It's a version that includes both.
There will be a Collector's Limited Edition of Aristeia! that will include exclusive material and an additional copy of the miniatures in metal. It will be available to pre-order on October 26th, 2017.
I legitimately feel like they do these kinds of things specifically so that they can ignore any kind of information regarding what would be the "correct" message.
It's like the fact that right now, I've been digging through prices for October's releases.
Blackjack is sitting at $35 MSRP The new Taskmaster is currently sitting at $39.
To put this in perspective, the Blackjack looks to be about the same size as a Gecko, which comes two to a box for $57 MSRP. The main thing bulking it up is the size of the T2 Sniper Rifle and its armature. It's bigger than the Azra'il with APHMG from the comparison they did in their video(they compared the Blackjack with the Azra'il with APHMG and the Yan Huo), but the Azra'il actually seem to be a bit on the wimpy side even now. I'd love for someone with either of the Al'Fasid to compare the Azra'il to it.
Somehow the size of some of the components justifies us sitting at $35 on a Blackjack versus $18 for the Yan Huo and $20 for the Azra'il(which is itself $2 more than the Feuerbach version for whatever reason...).
Now for the Taskmaster. What's the difference between the Taskmaster at $39 MSRP and the HMG Taskmaster that's out right now?
A pair of Crazy Koalas, a Tinbot, and an alternate arm option.
Oh, and the HMG Taskmaster is $23 MSRP.
Remember that one of the driving arguments against alternate parts for years and years is that it "drives the prices up".
But $16 for a pair of Teddy Bear Landmines(Crazy Koalas), a piece of equipment for the model(Tinbot), and an alternate arm option?
It feels like they're just setting it up to fail from the outset so that they can point back to it and say "See? People didn't buy into it!".
Do not refer to the Azra'il as wimpy, good sir. Anyway...
Azra'il HMG has more metal than the Al Fasid HMG.
Those Aristeia! game piece photos are a bit blurry. ( or is it my eyes?) So I cannot judge the quality of the plastics. The game will fly or fail based on its qualities as a boardgame, not on the qualities of the gamepieces.
Red Harvest wrote: Do not refer to the Azra'il as wimpy, good sir. Anyway...
Azra'il HMG has more metal than the Al Fasid HMG.
Those Aristeia! game piece photos are a bit blurry. ( or is it my eyes?) So I cannot judge the quality of the plastics. The game will fly or fail based on its qualities as a boardgame, not on the qualities of the gamepieces.
The problem I have with CB is that they make such sexy miniatures I feel compelled to purchase them, even though they are for factions I do not play (and at one time fr a game I did not play - that changed though. One can only have an entire armies worth of models for so long without getting curious)
Alpharius wrote: If the metals sell and the 'PVC' doesn't, well, that should help send the correct message too.
Though I can see how that message could be misinterpreted and/or ignored too though!
The problem is from what's being said, it's not an option for you to buy one or the other.
It's a version that includes both.
There will be a Collector's Limited Edition of Aristeia! that will include exclusive material and an additional copy of the miniatures in metal. It will be available to pre-order on October 26th, 2017.
Ah, in that case, yeah, message will not be received!
I legitimately feel like they do these kinds of things specifically so that they can ignore any kind of information regarding what would be the "correct" message.
PsychoticStorm wrote: We remember that this is a boargame marketed at a different market and most comparable games (outside latest CMON) have comparable or worse models?
Not that I object on better models obviously, but.
That doesn't change the point that people who would say "Vote with your wallet!" are missing that there is no real choice to do so.
master of ordinance wrote: Has anyone had a chance to use the Kriza Borac yet?
I have mine from the Beyond Ice Storm set but I have not had a chance to use him yet, what with the delays in the pre-orders coming in at our end.
From what I can see he is pretty expensive but seems to function like a miniature TAG. However he does seem just that little bit too expensive when compared to his competitors, especially the Pan-O HI's, which seem to get better things for a cheaper price.
Also, for some strange reason, the Lieutenant profile with the 360 visor costs a point more than the none lieutenant option - orat least it does in the official army builder. Is this a typo?
Tried him 3 times now. Way better than anything Pan-O Hi has to offer, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. He's about same as Swiss Guard active turn because of +1B and -3MOD but much much cheaper, so he's basically more cost efficient. Don't bother with the Mk.12 profile as it suffers from "Nomads-bloats-syndrome" and it's also a trap. You should never ever be inside the rangebands the Mk.12 is trying to persuade you with, nor should you suppress in midfield as there's way too many ways to counter that. Run the HMG profile and keep him as a back line fighter, he's truly a monster for a disturbing low cost. If you want to Rambo to the enemy line, you might as well use the Taskmaster Red Fury, his loadout is insanely annoying to remove or hack + he has a Pulzar and koalas to boot, much more reliable than the Kriza Mk. 12 for such a job.
PsychoticStorm wrote: We remember that this is a boargame marketed at a different market and most comparable games (outside latest CMON) have comparable or worse models?
Not that I object on better models obviously, but.
That doesn't change the point that people who would say "Vote with your wallet!" are missing that there is no real choice to do so.
Don't like the game and the models? don't buy.
Don't like the models enouph to not buy the game? don't buy and send a polite email about it.
Don't like the models and like the game so much you bought it anyway? send a polite email about it.
Like the game and the models? buy it.
Like the models but not the game? send a polite email about it.
At the moment almost nobody has actually seen the models, from the pics we have they look in line with the good quality models other boardgames have.
Red Harvest wrote: Do not refer to the Azra'il as wimpy, good sir. Anyway...
Azra'il HMG has more metal than the Al Fasid HMG.
Those Aristeia! game piece photos are a bit blurry. ( or is it my eyes?) So I cannot judge the quality of the plastics. The game will fly or fail based on its qualities as a boardgame, not on the qualities of the gamepieces.
master of ordinance wrote: Has anyone had a chance to use the Kriza Borac yet?
I have mine from the Beyond Ice Storm set but I have not had a chance to use him yet, what with the delays in the pre-orders coming in at our end.
From what I can see he is pretty expensive but seems to function like a miniature TAG. However he does seem just that little bit too expensive when compared to his competitors, especially the Pan-O HI's, which seem to get better things for a cheaper price.
Also, for some strange reason, the Lieutenant profile with the 360 visor costs a point more than the none lieutenant option - orat least it does in the official army builder. Is this a typo?
Tried him 3 times now. Way better than anything Pan-O Hi has to offer, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. He's about same as Swiss Guard active turn because of +1B and -3MOD but much much cheaper, so he's basically more cost efficient. Don't bother with the Mk.12 profile as it suffers from "Nomads-bloats-syndrome" and it's also a trap. You should never ever be inside the rangebands the Mk.12 is trying to persuade you with, nor should you suppress in midfield as there's way too many ways to counter that. Run the HMG profile and keep him as a back line fighter, he's truly a monster for a disturbing low cost. If you want to Rambo to the enemy line, you might as well use the Taskmaster Red Fury, his loadout is insanely annoying to remove or hack + he has a Pulzar and koalas to boot, much more reliable than the Kriza Mk. 12 for such a job.
Thanks. Looks like I am purchasing a Taskmaster for a little weapon swap then....
PsychoticStorm wrote: We remember that this is a boargame marketed at a different market and most comparable games (outside latest CMON) have comparable or worse models?
Not that I object on better models obviously, but.
That doesn't change the point that people who would say "Vote with your wallet!" are missing that there is no real choice to do so.
No real choice? I know people joke and post "take my money!" memes and such but unless your paycheck is literally direct deposited into CB's account then, yes, you do have a "real" choice. You can choose not to buy the set at all and send CB a message that way if you feel so strongly about it.
PsychoticStorm wrote: At the moment almost nobody has actually seen the models, from the pics we have they look in line with the good quality models other boardgames have.
I think the problem is that the people looking at those pics aren't board gamers. They are miniature gamers. And good quality board game miniatures is still a major step down from Infinity's metal models. I'm not convinced they even rise up to good quality.
This feels like CB testing the waters for pulling a Privateer Press and moving their entire line over to incredibly gakky PVC models. That's what worries me. I love Infinity, but my support will disappear overnight if they start putting out Privateer Press-quality crap. I don't know how legitimate the worry is, but I don't think it is entirely unfounded. I can't imagine another company sabotaging their product as thoroughly as PP has, but if it can happen to one game, it can happen to another.
PsychoticStorm wrote: At the moment almost nobody has actually seen the models, from the pics we have they look in line with the good quality models other boardgames have.
I think the problem is that the people looking at those pics aren't board gamers. They are miniature gamers. And good quality board game miniatures is still a major step down from Infinity's metal models. I'm not convinced they even rise up to good quality.
This feels like CB testing the waters for pulling a Privateer Press and moving their entire line over to incredibly gakky PVC models. That's what worries me. I love Infinity, but my support will disappear overnight if they start putting out Privateer Press-quality crap. I don't know how legitimate the worry is, but I don't think it is entirely unfounded. I can't imagine another company sabotaging their product as thoroughly as PP has, but if it can happen to one game, it can happen to another.
And thankyou for tonights nightmares.
In all honesty I cannot see CB moving over to Restic for general production owing the the simple fact that the amazing quality of their sculpts is one of the massive selling points, and that people are quite willing to pay above even GW's per figure odds for Infinity models. More notably CB has just started a long process of updating all of their old models and adding in new ones, something that will be very expensive. If they where to update to using Restic then they would be doing it right now, but they are not and that should give you hope.
After all it makes no sense for them to spend so much time, money and effort to create many figures only to scrap them in a couple of years time and redo everything for a new substance. No, I honestly think that the Restic figures will be solely the premise of the new boardgame and nothing else.
Sqorgar wrote: This feels like CB testing the waters for pulling a Privateer Press and moving their entire line over to incredibly gakky PVC models. That's what worries me. I love Infinity, but my support will disappear overnight if they start putting out Privateer Press-quality crap. I don't know how legitimate the worry is, but I don't think it is entirely unfounded. I can't imagine another company sabotaging their product as thoroughly as PP has, but if it can happen to one game, it can happen to another.
I can pretty confidently say this isn't what they're doing. All they're doing is releasing a game for a different market.
You don't do boardgames with the type of metal CB uses for miniatures. It's soft and bends. You've got things like 8-Balls staff, Bills outstretched arm and pistol, Musashis swords, cat girls tail and other bits that will simply not last. PVC isn't overly tough, but it's got a decent amount of give that lets these kinds of parts take stress and bend before breaking, and if they don't break, they naturally bend back.
These models are going to be tossed into the box with everything else by boardgamers, so using this material just makes sense. Unless they were willing to do what Prodos did with AVP second edition and put laser cut foam in the box for the miniatures, using something like metal just was never on the cards.
CB know that a lot of people buy their main range models for the detail. According to them, they still sell the majority of their models to painters, who buy them for the challenge of painting a beautifully detailed miniature. They absolutely know those same people will not buy PVC models of such bad quality, so swapping the range over would be cutting their own throat as a business.
I'll definitely be picking it up in metal - and CB will know I prefer that vs. PVC as I'll be buying the Aristeia! Core Collector's Limited Edition (Premium) box, and not the 'standard' version!
€125 for 8 figures you can't just leave in the board game box for storage? No thank you, I'll buy the regular release and paint up the plastics, TYVM. Seams like a lot of the people crying over "poor detail" on the plastics are people that can't even paint at a level where it would matter
IS it extra the 8 figures? Parts breakdown of the deluxe doesn't mention coming with plastic figures, just the metal. What is the price of the regular edition?
Kalamadea wrote: IS it extra the 8 figures? Parts breakdown of the deluxe doesn't mention coming with plastic figures, just the metal. What is the price of the regular edition?
It's literally just them throwing in metal versions as well as the "meh" plastics.
They look very nice all together in that photo. The Aristeia! board is composed of hexagons. I suspect more than a few boardgamers are going to wonder why the bases are round, instead of hexagonal. Cb figured out how to do large metal minis with the Maghariba guard. I bet they applied that knowledge to Eight Ball and Maximus.
Kalamadea wrote: €125 for 8 figures you can't just leave in the board game box for storage? No thank you, I'll buy the regular release and paint up the plastics, TYVM. Seams like a lot of the people crying over "poor detail" on the plastics are people that can't even paint at a level where it would matter
But they could pay someone to paint at a level where it would matter. Or develop the skills to do so. Painting skill is not static, it can improve, or decline.
I think going by past history by 2019 all new Infinity mini's will be the size of the blue guy, but no scale creep obviously
The present line is more or less consistent, only special characters break the homogeneity, Areistia is not a wargame and they can play with volumes much more freely given each miniature is by default an individual character.
Last Friday for me, from GameNerdz, my Beyond Red Veil. I'm quite pleased with the Haqq minis. All 3 are outstanding. The Yu Jing minis are a mix. The Dao Fei seems undersized for HI these days, but is a good sculpt. The Zhanying is well done, the best of the 3. I have yet to assemble the Guilang, but it seems smallish.
The CSU with breaker rifle is nice too. Overall, a good expansion. better for Haqq (and Bahram) than for Yu Jing.
We are still a-waiting to see:
-Andromeda
-Taskmaster Swast team
-Crusader Brethren Multi-rifle+ LFT
The Andromeda + pet is the one I'm curious about, since I already know what the Taskmaster and Crusader Bretheren basically look like.
Red Harvest wrote: Last Friday for me, from GameNerdz, my Beyond Red Veil. I'm quite pleased with the Haqq minis. All 3 are outstanding. The Yu Jing minis are a mix. The Dao Fei seems undersized for HI these days, but is a good sculpt. The Zhanying is well done, the best of the 3. I have yet to assemble the Guilang, but it seems smallish.
The CSU with breaker rifle is nice too. Overall, a good expansion. better for Haqq (and Bahram) than for Yu Jing.
We are still a-waiting to see:
-Andromeda
-Taskmaster Swast team
-Crusader Brethren Multi-rifle+ LFT
The Andromeda + pet is the one I'm curious about, since I already know what the Taskmaster and Crusader Bretheren basically look like.
Red Harvest wrote: Last Friday for me, from GameNerdz, my Beyond Red Veil. I'm quite pleased with the Haqq minis. All 3 are outstanding. The Yu Jing minis are a mix. The Dao Fei seems undersized for HI these days, but is a good sculpt. The Zhanying is well done, the best of the 3. I have yet to assemble the Guilang, but it seems smallish.
The CSU with breaker rifle is nice too. Overall, a good expansion. better for Haqq (and Bahram) than for Yu Jing.
Depends what you mean by better. Yu Jing from Red Veil and Beyond Red Veil comes bang on 300/6, without resorting to shenanigans with profiles. All are using the standard profile they're meant to represent, even the Ninja isn't proxying as the Killer Hacker to get there.
Haqqislam comes to 292/4.5.
As a starter, giving beginners fieldable 300pt lists, the Haqqislam side falls short and requires proxying. The easiest way I found was running the 3 Ghulam as Doctors, but they're still undergunned.
While it can be argued that fudging around with profiles is just part of Infinity, for beginner forces I though they'd have put a bit more effort in to balancing them.
ImAGeek-- Ah, that's better than the blurry render I've seen. Thanks. I cannot really tell much about the minis from those orange renders though. I've seen painted versions of a Taskmaster and a Crusader Brethren. I need to see the painted Andromeda + Pet before I make up my mind. That pet almost looks like it ought to be a Tohaa figure,
ImAGeek-- Ah, that's better than the blurry render I've seen. Thanks. I cannot really tell much about the minis from those orange renders though. I've seen painted versions of a Taskmaster and a Crusader Brethren. I need to see the painted Andromeda + Pet before I make up my mind. That pet almost looks like it ought to be a Tohaa figure,
The best I can figure for Haqq, and still be newcomer friendly ( as close to WYSWYG as possible) is
Haqqislam ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
The Khawarij can keep up with Tarik, so it gets the Doctor Plus.
(Hmm, normally list-making doesn't belong in N&R (yes?) but I think that this is useful news, since Beyond Red Veil just released, and people may want this info to decide about whether to get it, or not. )
Damn, I really want those metal models but not at those prices. In all honesty I would rather they sold the metals separately so you did not have to purchase the full game as well.
In particular I am after the hacker (alternative Interventor model) the Sniper (she is a character with stats in Infinity after all) Myamoto (As with the sniper) and the cat girl (objective marker). the 'Wild Bill' style character would make a great bounty hunter. As for the others, I am not bothered.
They come with Medikits, AD: Airborne Infiltration, Shock Immunity, Paramedic, and Stealth.
10-10 Move, CC14, BS11, PH10, WIP13, ARM1, BTS3, a single Wound, and are Silhouette value of 2. They seem to be AVA 1 in most places.
Additionally they are Irregular.
Hmm....
On the one hand monofilament CCW's
On the other, low CC stat for a supposedly CC unit, average shooting, unimpressive stats all round in fact, irregular and relatively expensive to boot.
I think I might just pass, although AD deployment and Stealth do give some interesting options for getting close.
master of ordinance wrote: Hmm....
On the one hand monofilament CCW's
On the other, low CC stat for a supposedly CC unit, average shooting, unimpressive stats all round in fact, irregular and relatively expensive to boot.
I think I might just pass, although AD deployment and Stealth do give some interesting options for getting close.
It's not really a CC unit. The Monofilament CCW is there to inflate the points cost.
I actually really like the potential for this unit. Too bad MO doesn't get it, but the number of times I've had a heavy infantry deep in enemy lines that I couldn't get my Trauma-doc/any paramedic/doctor to has been... probably too high of a number.
AD+stealth would get me that chance to revive my knight to get a little bit more carnage out of him.
edit: I was completely ignoring the weapons, too. That thing has an E/Mitter!! ahhh
It's a specialist you can deploy deep to grab objectives.
It's cheaper than any other AD specialist in the game.
It's a paramedic you can drop in (to attempt) to revive a Rambo-ing HI.
It's got an E-Mitter to really punish any TAG or HI that overextends, normal 14's to force two 1/2 BTS rolls or imm 2 and isolated is sickening, especially when you can follow up with a Mono CCW to kill a fully healthy TAG as a normal roll.
Its irregular order is irrelevant the turn it arrives.
Looking at that giant white head on the Tinbot... Am I the only one who thinks it ought to be painted to look like Pennywise? (the Skarsgard Pennywise, not the Curry Pennywise.)
Monkeysloth wrote: Also Gamenerdz has the ITS Season 9 Book pre-order up for just under $13 with free shipping in the US.
Sadly no ITS season 9 packs yet though.
Why this book? Just to get the new ITS classifed deck cards out?
Looking at that giant white head on the Tinbot... Am I the only one who thinks it ought to be painted to look like Pennywise? (the Skarsgard Pennywise, not the Curry Pennywise.)
Monkeysloth wrote: Also Gamenerdz has the ITS Season 9 Book pre-order up for just under $13 with free shipping in the US.
Sadly no ITS season 9 packs yet though.
Why this book? Just to get the new ITS classifed deck cards out?
Its a collection of season 8 and 9 missions and story. Its a limited print run for those that would want such a thing, like me. Its already sold out at gamenerdz though, not sure if they'll get more.
Thanks Guys. I had thought the Cube Jägers were a normal release. Or Cube Jaegers. Maybe something possibly related to that Rolling Stones singer, Mick something or the other
Red Harvest wrote: Thanks Guys. I had thought the Cube Jägers were a normal release. Or Cube Jaegers. Maybe something possibly related to that Rolling Stones singer, Mick something or the other
Sadly not a normal release. The generic release will be next year most likely and will be the other profile or just CCW/Pistol.
Kanluwen wrote: It's 1 Taskmaster. There's an extra arm.
The Tinbot can be gotten with Riot Grrls and Koalas are old.
It's sitting at $39 USD for the MSRP...which is extortionately high.
Are you sure it's only one Taskmaster? Why would they show a picture of two of them then? If it's two, the price makes much more sense.
It's a 4 model box.
It's one Taskmaster(with two sets of arms), the Tinbot, and two Crazy Koalas for $39.
Actually I think it is two identical Taskmaster bodies with two different weapon arms, two Crazy Koalas and a Tinbot.
Then it would be a 5 model box.
They count Crazy Koalas and Tinbots as models for the purposes of their boxed sets; it's the whole reason why there's been so much complaining about Tinbots taking the place of a fourth trooper figure in boxes.
Anyways, the contents I wrote are literally what was said at GenCon by Bostria. It's two different weapon arms.
It's clear that CB needs to just sell the pandas, koalas and tinbots in blisters. I'd even be find with a set that was 2 of each for $20 to keep SKU's down.
Kan is right, Bostria did say it was one taskmaster with an arm option. 2 bodies would explain the price more, but you’d have 2 of the same body, and there’s not enough tinbots and Koalas to actually run both together.
1 Taskmaster ($23.99)
+1 extra pair of arms +2 Crazy Koalas (which could just as easily be markers)
+1 Megacephalic tinbot (which could just as easily be a marker)
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= $42.99
So all those add-ons cost $19.00. Bokay. :| I can see the megacephalic tinbot costing the same as a standard S2 mini, since it probably has the same number of parts.
Red Harvest wrote: 1 Taskmaster ($23.99)
+1 extra pair of arms
+2 Crazy Koalas (which could just as easily be markers)
+1 Megacephalic tinbot (which could just as easily be a marker)
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= $42.99
So all those add-ons cost $19.00. Bokay. :| I can see the megacephalic tinbot costing the same as a standard S2 mini, since it probably has the same number of parts.
(prices from GameNerdz, the full MSRP)
It's important to remember that the Tinbots were upsized to match the Kaauri Sentinels(which are supposed to be S1).
Me too. That is a price tag for a TAG, not a S5 Infantry unit.
Kanluwen wrote: It's important to remember that the Tinbots were upsized to match the Kaauri Sentinels(which are supposed to be S1).
Kaauri are playable, and shootable, units though. The tinbot is a mere 3-D marker. The thing should be the size of the Chibi Pig that comes with the Yu Jing HVT, and should fit onto the base of its unit, like the chibi pig does, instead of being a separate, full sized mini.
I know they tend to price stuff for how much metal is in the box, but that's a bit absurd for a single HI. I think most people would have been happy to pay a touch more to have the second body in there. $43au for a single HI and some little bots is a tough one to swallow. Bump it to $50au and put a second body in there, roughly starter set price, and I'm sure there would be less of a problem.
Red Harvest wrote: Me too. That is a price tag for a TAG, not a S5 Infantry unit.
Kanluwen wrote: It's important to remember that the Tinbots were upsized to match the Kaauri Sentinels(which are supposed to be S1).
Kaauri are playable, and shootable, units though. The tinbot is a mere 3-D marker. The thing should be the size of the Chibi Pig that comes with the Yu Jing HVT, and should fit onto the base of its unit, like the chibi pig does, instead of being a separate, full sized mini.
I have an inkling that Tinbots were initially intended to be playable, shootable units like Tinbots are.
I can understand to a point why they did Tinbots as a separate 3D marker instead of being attached to the base of a model. Because they have Tinbot and Tinbot-less profiles available to some units.
I will never be able to understand why they think a Tinbot equates to an actual model in a boxed set though. I get that it's going to cost us something because of materials, but the same price as a HI model is bonkers.
Red Harvest wrote: Me too. That is a price tag for a TAG, not a S5 Infantry unit.
Kanluwen wrote: It's important to remember that the Tinbots were upsized to match the Kaauri Sentinels(which are supposed to be S1).
Kaauri are playable, and shootable, units though. The tinbot is a mere 3-D marker. The thing should be the size of the Chibi Pig that comes with the Yu Jing HVT, and should fit onto the base of its unit, like the chibi pig does, instead of being a separate, full sized mini.
I have an inkling that Tinbots were initially intended to be playable, shootable units like Tinbots are.
I can understand to a point why they did Tinbots as a separate 3D marker instead of being attached to the base of a model. Because they have Tinbot and Tinbot-less profiles available to some units.
I will never be able to understand why they think a Tinbot equates to an actual model in a boxed set though. I get that it's going to cost us something because of materials, but the same price as a HI model is bonkers.
Yes, exactly.
I'm with Loki on this one though - one more body (and a few more dollars?) would have made this a bit more palatable, or just two to begin with, and sell the other stuff separately...
Alpharius wrote: I hope this doesn't become the new normal for CB...
Don't worry mate. There's literally nothing that's the norm for CB. Scale, releases, sudden rule changes and what not. They are one of the least consistent companies I've ever seen.
That Crusader Brethren looks like a cut-n-paste of the tiger soldier. Just different arms.
The Pneumarch and the Blackjack win. I may get that Pneumarch, to have a 4th HVT.
Andromeda really should have a red hood and cloak. And a more interesting sculpt. And a more useful profile.
And a reminder for next month, November Releases, we'll have:
-Avatar
-USAriadna Spec Ops Grunt version
-Joe Scarface (from the ITS pack)
-Jeanne D'Arc w/Umbra groper
-Hassassin Muyibs box
-Re-pack of Hac Tao
-Re-pack of Moran Masai hunter
I don't think this new Avatar will look better than the old one. But this is judging from the orange render.
Alpharius wrote: I hope this doesn't become the new normal for CB...
Don't worry mate. There's literally nothing that's the norm for CB. Scale, releases, sudden rule changes and what not. They are one of the least consistent companies I've ever seen.
Really? What were you doing between 2000 and 2015?
Yeah, Andromeda's stats don't seem to be anything special. She's got that Guard ability, which I'm assuming the dog bot is for, but that doesn't really seem to offset her more or less average stats very much. What's the point of taking her? Now, if she functioned a bit like the Kerail or the Antipode Controller, actually using the dog bot as a statted unit, that would make more sense.
Barzam wrote: Yeah, Andromeda's stats don't seem to be anything special. She's got that Guard ability, which I'm assuming the dog bot is for, but that doesn't really seem to offset her more or less average stats very much. What's the point of taking her? Now, if she functioned a bit like the Kerail or the Antipode Controller, actually using the dog bot as a statted unit, that would make more sense.
She's the only Specialist Operative which is then combined with Forward Deployment and CH: Mimetism for Steel Phalanx, plus she can pack a wallop in CC if she has to.
Ah, I'm not so up on Steel Phalanx. There's nobody else Steel Phalanx with those abilities? The CC stat though, it's above average, sure, but I do know she is outclassed by other Aleph characters, even others in the same sectorial. Still, how often foes Aleph actually get into hand-to-hand anyway? They ought to have just given her a pair of synched dog-bots to command.
Barzam wrote: Ah, I'm not so up on Steel Phalanx. There's nobody else Steel Phalanx with those abilities? The CC stat though, it's above average, sure, but I do know she is outclassed by other Aleph characters, even others in the same sectorial. Still, how often foes Aleph actually get into hand-to-hand anyway? They ought to have just given her a pair of synched dog-bots to command.
She is the only Specialist Operative in Steel Phalanx.
Remember that "Guard" is a skill she has(repped by her robodog). Guard automatically grants her V: Courage(kind of a wash as she has NWI but hey) and in her Active or Reactive turn, she gets +2 Damage Bonus in CC and her opponent has a -3 modifier. Throw in her Kinematika, Stealth, DACCW, Breaker Pistol, Knife etc etc...and she can mix it up pretty nicely if she so chooses. At the very least she can be a big deterrent to prevent someone from thinking about going after her.
Also worth mentioning that she has her Breaker Pistol out, so this is one of those rare instances where they're selling you the perfect universal proxy model for a model with multiple profiles.
Kanluwen wrote: It's 1 Taskmaster. There's an extra arm.
The Tinbot can be gotten with Riot Grrls and Koalas are old.
It's sitting at $39 USD for the MSRP...which is extortionately high.
Are you sure it's only one Taskmaster? Why would they show a picture of two of them then? If it's two, the price makes much more sense.
It's a 4 model box.
It's one Taskmaster(with two sets of arms), the Tinbot, and two Crazy Koalas for $39.
Actually I think it is two identical Taskmaster bodies with two different weapon arms, two Crazy Koalas and a Tinbot.
Then it would be a 5 model box.
They count Crazy Koalas and Tinbots as models for the purposes of their boxed sets; it's the whole reason why there's been so much complaining about Tinbots taking the place of a fourth trooper figure in boxes.
Anyways, the contents I wrote are literally what was said at GenCon by Bostria. It's two different weapon arms.
What?! Ugh, well, count me out then, that is beyond awful.
Alpharius wrote: I hope this doesn't become the new normal for CB...
Don't worry mate. There's literally nothing that's the norm for CB. Scale, releases, sudden rule changes and what not. They are one of the least consistent companies I've ever seen.
Really? What were you doing between 2000 and 2015?
Barzam wrote: Ah, I'm not so up on Steel Phalanx. There's nobody else Steel Phalanx with those abilities? The CC stat though, it's above average, sure, but I do know she is outclassed by other Aleph characters, even others in the same sectorial. Still, how often foes Aleph actually get into hand-to-hand anyway? They ought to have just given her a pair of synched dog-bots to command.
She is the only Specialist Operative in Steel Phalanx.
As a specialist in Steel Phalanx, Thrasymedes also exists and is miles better. He has infiltration on one of his profiles (the one you take if you want him pushing buttons early, otherwise he's in a link) as opposed to forward deployment, but he has ODD and is way easier to hide anyway. He's the same wip, 1 better armour and the same BS for losing out a few CC skills, but good CC in Phalanx isn't exactly hard to come by (which is my next point)
Remember that "Guard" is a skill she has(repped by her robodog).
Guard automatically grants her V: Courage(kind of a wash as she has NWI but hey) and in her Active or Reactive turn, she gets +2 Damage Bonus in CC and her opponent has a -3 modifier.
Throw in her Kinematika, Stealth, DACCW, Breaker Pistol, Knife etc etc...and she can mix it up pretty nicely if she so chooses.
At the very least she can be a big deterrent to prevent someone from thinking about going after her.
Looking at characters in Phalanx that are worth taking over Andromeda as a CC attacker, we have:
Penthesilea
Ajax
Achilles
Hector
Patroclus
Who all deal better damage, hit easier and have some level of stats that make them harder to put damage on, be it from simple high Arm, ODD, Mimetism or Martial Arts. I'll concede the point that every example there is more expensive, but then we also have Myrmidons. ODD, MA3, Kinematika 1 and linkable. Arm, BS and Wip are the same, but Myrmidons have 1 higher CC and a higher Ph, and to top it off are almost always cheaper (1 boarding shotgun Andromeda is 2 chain rifle Myrmidons). The Myrms give the army access to smoke as well which is huge because it allows you to actually get closer.
Also worth mentioning that she has her Breaker Pistol out, so this is one of those rare instances where they're selling you the perfect universal proxy model for a model with multiple profiles.
I'll concede this is nice, as is her sculpt in general, but it doesn't help much when the profiles themselves are bad. I am tempted to buy her just to paint up and sit on my desk, but I'm not that tempted
The pose is based on that famous painting called "Liberty Leading The People"-- Or so it seems. However, on the mini, the sword is upraised instead of the tricolor.
I do hope that the hand is not attached to the mini itself. That way it can be easily left out. Otherwise it ruins a perfectly good mini.
I like her - not as much as I like the 'Saber' LE figure, but as a Joan d'Arc figure she works well and looks far better than the old models. The Umbra is a bit.... Odd though.
If it is not attached to her (IE, the hand is not actually grabbing the thigh) I will probably remove it and put in a rock or boulder instead. Or even a vanquished TAG.....
Anyway, a new Joan model that both looks good and means I dont have to risk my LE model is great news.
The half-mini of the Umbra is very distracting from the Jeanne D'Arc, and doubly distracting because of the position of its hand. This is terrible design, or composition, or what have you.
I was thinking it is raised in the air in a "you've KILLED meeeeeee...." Dramatic pose. The angle of the render just makes the hand line up with the thigh.
Bostria may be meaning it is attached as in to the foot.
So I heard on Twitter via Corvus Belli that Warcors got some sort of interesting news or information or something regarding Aristeia. Anything that people are willing and allowed to share?
Alpharius wrote: I hope this doesn't become the new normal for CB...
Don't worry mate. There's literally nothing that's the norm for CB. Scale, releases, sudden rule changes and what not. They are one of the least consistent companies I've ever seen.
Really? What were you doing between 2000 and 2015?
Breathing. What's your point?
Point was that if you think CB dicks people around more than GW under Kirby then you're more than a little myopic.
Mymearan wrote: I'm disappointed in the Andromeda model. She looks boring and the dog looks too much like a toy. The Danavas was awesome but this is pretty meh.
Wow.. I thought it was one of the picks recently, love the idea and the touch of 'human' to things that are very much removed from humanity, it's as cool as hell. Can see it being popular just with painters/collectors, if nothing else.
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I was thinking it is raised in the air in a "you've KILLED meeeeeee...." Dramatic pose. The angle of the render just makes the hand line up with the thigh.
It is. I really dig the pose, it doesn't at all look like it's groping her, and actually reminds me of one of my favourite Malifaux models.
Spoiler:
I just ignore the pose comments these days because every single month people complain about some pose. 'Tactical debris sucks!', 'Pinup poses suck!', 'It's not looking down the barrel, it sucks!'.
Honestly the Infinity community has become the new GW community in regards to moaning about every single release.
Alpharius wrote: I hope this doesn't become the new normal for CB...
Don't worry mate. There's literally nothing that's the norm for CB. Scale, releases, sudden rule changes and what not. They are one of the least consistent companies I've ever seen.
Really? What were you doing between 2000 and 2015?
Breathing. What's your point?
Point was that if you think CB dicks people around more than GW under Kirby then you're more than a little myopic.
And I find it baffling beyond belief that you somehow manage to interpret the statement "one of the least consistent", as somehow that's me saying that it's THE least consistent of ALL companies. Not sure if this is trolling or not...
I'm wondering how these minis might paint up as Montesas. Well, the combi and the generic at any rate. The weapons are (guessing) HMG or multi, Combi, Boarding shotgun, and generic or even a Doctor. CB will save the multi or HMG for the MO starter box.
Red Harvest wrote: I'm wondering how these minis might paint up as Montesas. Well, the combi and the generic at any rate. The weapons are (guessing) HMG or multi, Combi, Boarding shotgun, and generic or even a Doctor. CB will save the multi or HMG for the MO starter box.
Red Harvest wrote: I'm wondering how these minis might paint up as Montesas. Well, the combi and the generic at any rate. The weapons are (guessing) HMG or multi, Combi, Boarding shotgun, and generic or even a Doctor. CB will save the multi or HMG for the MO starter box.
You can see the HMG in the pic.
Same with the Combi. They're both in the center.
CORRECTION: The two guns in the center are a Boarding Shotgun and HMG. Someone pointed out the weird foregrip for the BSG on the left.
She looks really solid. At first glance I was a little disappointed that her points increased since before her real selling point was as a dirt cheap hacker, but the new version brings a lot for 19 points. A deployable repeater (with minelayer), a pitcher, a submachinegun, EI Killer Hacking device... even without Kiss she;d be worth the cost. I hope she'll get a model!
Plus she's available to Onyx. I was hoping that MAF would get her too. Those Morats should have kept her for themselves!
Well that was a bit of surprise, Taskmasters come in a box, Blackjack on the other hand is unsurprisingly mostly solid chunks of metal, of interest is the choice to have the sniper rifle mounted on the arm, makes construction really easy.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Well that was a bit of surprise, Taskmasters come in a box, Blackjack on the other hand is unsurprisingly mostly solid chunks of metal, of interest is the choice to have the sniper rifle mounted on the arm, makes construction really easy.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I am sorry I do not get what you mean? you want pictures of the parts? or the assembled figure? from blackjack or the taskmaster?
I'm pretty sure it's more the idea of "what in the world given the current topic and discussion caused this statement to be brought up"?
jake wrote: She looks really solid. At first glance I was a little disappointed that her points increased since before her real selling point was as a dirt cheap hacker, but the new version brings a lot for 19 points. A deployable repeater (with minelayer), a pitcher, a submachinegun, EI Killer Hacking device... even without Kiss she;d be worth the cost. I hope she'll get a model!
Plus she's available to Onyx. I was hoping that MAF would get her too. Those Morats should have kept her for themselves!
Army was updated and you can take her in all CA sectorials.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I am sorry I do not get what you mean? you want pictures of the parts? or the assembled figure? from blackjack or the taskmaster?
I'm pretty sure it's more the idea of "what in the world given the current topic and discussion caused this statement to be brought up"?
Oh because it was discussed in the previous pages that taskmasters were in a blister with extra arm and I assumed this was the case and was genuinely surprised they come in a box, likewise there was a debate on whether Blackjacks were hollow cast or solid and since I assemble them I wanted to confirm they are solid metal chunks not hollow.
As for the sniper rifle, I was genuinely surprised on how the weapon was cast on the arm and not a separate piece making the assembly so much easier, wanted to relay the information and while I am a it since it was asked Andromeda's hand is unfortunately as expected on the head of the bot.
jake wrote: She looks really solid. At first glance I was a little disappointed that her points increased since before her real selling point was as a dirt cheap hacker, but the new version brings a lot for 19 points. A deployable repeater (with minelayer), a pitcher, a submachinegun, EI Killer Hacking device... even without Kiss she;d be worth the cost. I hope she'll get a model!
Plus she's available to Onyx. I was hoping that MAF would get her too. Those Morats should have kept her for themselves!
Army was updated and you can take her in all CA sectorials.
Thats fantastic. She'll be great in all 3 sectorials.
Thats actually a good deal. We're they individually like $14?
I mean, I remember buying 3 Fusiliers for like $15 back when they came out and thinking that was great, but these days $21 for 2 Infinity models seems like a steal.
It's an odd one to be sure. I'm glad I've got the LE version as I'm not a fan of the base at all. I'd also like it if the 'alternate version' wasn't just a different hairstyle but also perhaps a spitfire arm so that the mobility version could be represented.
I might have think if I can use this body (with a helmet from somewhere) to make a female version of a standard order knight but nothing immediately springs to mind that doesn't involve a huge amount of work for a sub-par profile so I might just give it a miss entirely.
Now make sure to swing by the Palladium booth and snap some photos of the all of the new mouth watering wave two minis as well. 
Haqqislam
10
KHAWARIJ Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, 
ZHAYEDAN (Marksmanship L2) Breaker Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
TUAREG Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
FASID 
TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, 
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, 
RAGIK Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, 
Yu Jing
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZÚYǑNG MULTI Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 31)
HSIEN 
TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
NINJA Tactical Bow / Pistol, 
ZHÀNYING (Forward Observer) Breaker Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
GŬILÁNG MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
DÀOFĚI 
Tohaa
2
JÄGER Submachine Gun + E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament 
Okay, I need money and fast because these are amazing!
The thing should be the size of the Chibi Pig that comes with the Yu Jing HVT, and should fit onto the base of its unit, like the chibi pig does, instead of being a separate, full sized mini.
