Ariadna only Merc; would more likely than not use a generic Ariadna base like the Limited Edition Druze Hacker.
One suggestion that might be worth paying heed to is the idea that it's part of the "ALIVE!" group; however I was under the impression we would not be seeing them until after TAGLine wrapped up.
Ariadna only Merc; would more likely than not use a generic Ariadna base like the Limited Edition Druze Hacker.
One suggestion that might be worth paying heed to is the idea that it's part of the "ALIVE!" group; however I was under the impression we would not be seeing them until after TAGLine wrapped up.
Yeah that was the impression I got re ALIVE group. Good point about the base though.
From a Human perspective, yes, it's fugly. From a Wolfman, or Wolfwoman, perspective, it's practically George Clooney-esque...or Brad Pitt-esque. Or whoever is the latest *heartthrob*. Meh.
Caledonian box is very much the weak link this month. The Ayyar was a guaranteed win. The Karkata is nice too. With that knife... anyone remember the Pimpbot from Conan O'Brien's stint on Late Night? "I will cut you!" I see it as a useful crabbot proxy. Which I've probably already said.
Love the ninja repaints. I've got both sitting around waiting for paint, and I was thinking how the Red Veil scheme would work on the older minis. Really well, apparently.
Tristan228 wrote: And again CB has annihilated my goal not to spend mor than 15€ per month on new stuff
That Tohaa 50% Bundle will be mine soon!
They make it pretty easy for myself and my friends, as their webstore still hasn't sent a registration email.
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BobbaFett wrote: Hey, guys. Corvus Belli has announced a 50% discount offer on their online store from May 29th until June 2nd.
Selected bundles (only from May 29th to June 2nd):
Spoiler:
I can't believe they have the audacity to throw in the derptastic Ariadna Starter Set and act like it being discounted is "an amazing thing!" for players. Same with the Midget Corregidor box.
Morat, YJ and Tohaa seem like a nice deals. The rest have rather dated miniatures and in case of NCA, oh goodness, talk about SWC madness and low tier specialists to work with.
Sadly I still prefer the original Su-Jian to the new one, otherwise would have gone for that Yu Jing set.
Although would be interesing to total up costs with the crap value of the £ vs. Euro at the moment?
Tristan228 wrote: And again CB has annihilated my goal not to spend mor than 15€ per month on new stuff
To be fair, I would be interested to find out what you can find in this hobby for less than 15 euros a month!
I'm not an expert, but does that pose look like it can be done done as a single piece?
I'm thinking that it can be done, but as to the material?
I'm guessing that HIPS and resin are no goes; PVC or metal, though?
Obviously, Prodos' Unicast stuff can produce some impressive results given the limitations, but it doesn't look like that pose would require the Unicast level of ingenuity. Wonder if the minis are being outsourced for this one.
The new snipershot is up. Considering all the recent background articles with Alive! characters, I'm taking a wild guess that this is Cypher.... Just because I imagine that the name Cypher is the kind of name one would give a character that wears a trenchcoat.
Maestro, +3 to WIP, -3 to their roll. She's unlikely to lose a hack fight through a firewall except against Killers, which are easily countered by Cybermasking.
And this ^^^ is why I dislike the hacking in N3. It's a game, with its own ruleset, embedded into the main game. A distraction. Still, nice enough profile for a nice mini. It's good to see the Vedics get some attention.
Has there been any rumors about other new Vedic units coming along? Or even resculpts?
Based on the extant renders, this month I believe that we are looking at:
-Caledonian Volunteers box
-Zhangying w/Combi and poorly goofily sculpted greatcoat.
-Airborne Ranger with Molotok
-Sukuel Command w/ML -Riot Grrls and the megacephalic tinbot box
Two more repacks and the GenCon deal announcement.
Nothing for a Haqq/ASA player, but last month was very, very good. So, no complaints.
The Danavas seems like they're taking cues from Tohaa design. No frills, you're paying for a good offensive WIP 15 hacker with a Pitcher with no bloat. Seems boring when you look at it from the perspective of non-Tohaa units, but it's a good, cost effective hacker/specialist.
I used to love the look of space marines and 40k in general, but since getting into Infinity, when I go back and look at them or look at the new 40k 8th Edition releases they just dont look cool to me anymore, all I see are these bulky 'derpy' looking characters... I Want to get excited for the new 40k but infinity seems to have destroyed my love for the aesthetic of that game. Curious if anyone else feels this way?
Couldn't resist the sale and got the Aleph pack. So... guess I play infinity now? chose between Aleph, Morat, Ariadna and PanO. Did I make a good choice? Really love the Aleph models, anime robots+lady robots is a great theme, plus the design and colors remind me of Xenosaga. I also saw that that exact theme is getting a new subfaction, so I guess I'm in luck! What should I do now? Literally know nothing about this game except it has complicated rules.
anab0lic wrote: I used to love the look of space marines and 40k in general, but since getting into Infinity, when I go back and look at them or look at the new 40k 8th Edition releases they just dont look cool to me anymore, all I see are these bulky 'derpy' looking characters... I Want to get excited for the new 40k but infinity seems to have destroyed my love for the aesthetic of that game. Curious if anyone else feels this way?
I quite like the new miniatures, and I think the Primaris Marines solve a big problem I've had with Space Marine models for a while. They look squat and dumpy when they should be tall, regal and powerful. Also changing the Bolt Gun into a Bolt Rifle is great. The longer rifle design is pretty awesome.
I don't like them enough to blow $220au on the starter set.
Never was that big of a fan of Space Marines. I still like the look of my Eldar, although they've aged quite a bit. Thousand Sons and Tzeench Arcanites look really cool. Infinity can't compete with larger centerpiece models that 40k offers.
Mymearan wrote: Couldn't resist the sale and got the Aleph pack. So... guess I play infinity now? chose between Aleph, Morat, Ariadna and PanO. Did I make a good choice? Really love the Aleph models, anime robots+lady robots is a great theme, plus the design and colors remind me of Xenosaga. I also saw that that exact theme is getting a new subfaction, so I guess I'm in luck! What should I do now? Literally know nothing about this game except it has complicated rules.
It's not so bad especially since N3 came out.
The rules themselves aren't complex. The game is complex in the choices available building your list and executing during gameplay.
Mymearan wrote: Couldn't resist the sale and got the Aleph pack. So... guess I play infinity now? chose between Aleph, Morat, Ariadna and PanO. Did I make a good choice? Really love the Aleph models, anime robots+lady robots is a great theme, plus the design and colors remind me of Xenosaga. I also saw that that exact theme is getting a new subfaction, so I guess I'm in luck! What should I do now? Literally know nothing about this game except it has complicated rules.
Welcome. ALEPH is a fine choice for a faction. And there are some truly outstanding ALEPH miniatures.
The rules unto themselves are not *complicated*. They are well written and well playtested... for the most part. The complications arise from the sheer number of rules and the subsequent interactions between 3 or more of them. That said, the basics of the game, most of the game really, are easily learned. The secret is to play, and to "unlearn" things that you learned from other games.
Avail yourself of the Army Builder, the Infinity Wiki and the many downloads available at http://infinitythegame.com/
Mymearan wrote: Couldn't resist the sale and got the Aleph pack. So... guess I play infinity now? chose between Aleph, Morat, Ariadna and PanO. Did I make a good choice? Really love the Aleph models, anime robots+lady robots is a great theme, plus the design and colors remind me of Xenosaga. I also saw that that exact theme is getting a new subfaction, so I guess I'm in luck! What should I do now? Literally know nothing about this game except it has complicated rules.
Do not fear the rules, they aren't particularly complicated, there are simply lots of options to choose from in any given situation and the rules cover them all. They are available free online here, and Corvus Beli have provided an online army building tool here.
The basic premise is two forces facing off in a covert operation, with specific objectives (both open and secret) that you have to accomplish within a tight turn limit.
Your force provides "orders", basically one per model, with which you activate models and move, shoot etc. You can spend your orders how you choose in your turn, spreading them about or pumping them all into a few (or even one!) models. The biggest difference between infinity and other games is, every time you spend an order on a model, your opponent can react with any of his models that can see you; this sets up what are called "face to face" rolls, where two models try to attack one another by beating each other's dice score, the winner being the one who gets to do damage (or succeed where, for example, they've attempted to dodge incoming fire), the loser gets to try and survive. You are constantly making choices, even in your opponent's turn, in a game of infinity.
Aleph are an elite faction of cybernetic servitors of the great human AI, with a selection of artificial personalities all recreations of historical warriors, and a small group of "Posthumans" who have had their personalities digitised and who exist in cyberspace, jumping from one body to another. They are almost universally "better" than their counterparts in other forces (the Asura is a beast), but you will be outnumbered and have to spend your limited orders wisely (where your opponent will likely have more orders than you).
I'd suggest you see if you can find people locally who can run you through some games so you can get used to the rules. Start small, say 150 points, then work your way up in 50 point increments, until you hit 300 points which is the standard game point level.
Mymearan wrote: Couldn't resist the sale and got the Aleph pack. So... guess I play infinity now? chose between Aleph, Morat, Ariadna and PanO. Did I make a good choice? Really love the Aleph models, anime robots+lady robots is a great theme, plus the design and colors remind me of Xenosaga. I also saw that that exact theme is getting a new subfaction, so I guess I'm in luck! What should I do now? Literally know nothing about this game except it has complicated rules.
I bit of advice. Don't buy anything else until you get a good grasp of the game. Its a lot like 40k in that there are winner and loser units and you don't want to spend a bunch of money on stuff that doesn't do what you thought it does. Another thing is list building is more directed at what missions you are playing and less 'all comers'. So I would spend less time thinking about covering your bases without a mission in mind.
Otherwise its a fun game that is both rewarding and punishing.
There is a new profile for Miranda Ashcroft and Lucien Sforza making them REGULAR units in the Imperial Service Sectorial only. Also Miranda can form a Fireteam Duo with another Authorized Bounty Hunter and is a Specialist. Point values have increased, however. https://wotan.warconsole.com/119288
New releases according to Mayacast:
6 model box - no profiles yet Emily, Beba, Domovoi, Nakadai, Uhahu, Jethro
FAIL
Alpharius wrote:I'm sad that the Haqqislam Super-Soldier Sectorial, Al-Medinat, is apparently in the doghouse of backburner forgotten land!
I'm getting burned out on CB's year of bland.
Kodos for the effort they put into a boardgame (I guess) and a model set that is about as interesting as a sack of toe nail clippings.
Alpharius wrote: I'm sad that the Haqqislam Super-Soldier Sectorial, Al-Medinat, is apparently in the doghouse of backburner forgotten land!
It's in the next book (it's called the Ramah Task Force now).
A book that is guessed at a year away, likely more. Unless CB steps up their game for GenCon.
Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
Alpharius wrote: I'm sad that the Haqqislam Super-Soldier Sectorial, Al-Medinat, is apparently in the doghouse of backburner forgotten land!
Well, last year we saw the new Al Fasid, the new Khawarij, the Zhayedin, and the new Tuareg, all of which are in the sectorial... and follow ups of the Tuareg Hacker and the Al Fasid HRL. That's five minis within a year. Not quite forgotten land... perhaps set aside for a while land?
Anyone know what units the outrage Manga characters may represent, proxy-wise? HVTs or... Knauf proxies as a Pan-O sniper for example. Pretty much nothing for me this month, but still recovering from the embarrassment of riches of the past year for my factionss.
Alpharius wrote: I'm sad that the Haqqislam Super-Soldier Sectorial, Al-Medinat, is apparently in the doghouse of backburner forgotten land!
Well, last year we saw the new Al Fasid, the new Khawarij, the Zhayedin, and the new Tuareg, all of which are in the sectorial... and follow ups of the Tuareg Hacker and the Al Fasid HRL. That's five minis within a year. Not quite forgotten land... perhaps set aside for a while land?
Ha!
Thanks for the reminder - apparently they're in MY "I forgot about them land"!
I guess I just want that new sectorial (where did we learn about the new name for it, Ramah Task Force?), and more new minis for it...
I would guess at the whole team being mercs. Not sure how you would use Emily, but Beba is a Corregidor TAG pilot, Domovoi is a Kazak Dog Warrior, uhahu is a Tunguska hacker, Nakadai is an Oniwaban, and Jethro is a Druze sniper.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Something else is, at one of the most recent cons, Bostria said that the rules design for Acheron Falls is basically done. What's holding it up is the art design and sculpt side, which takes a lot longer.
So to combat that they launch a narrative campaign that introduces 4 new, unique characters which they say we're getting miniatures for. A boardgame with miniatures. And now miniatures for the characters from the Manga.
In response to knowing people are chomping at the bit for Acheron Falls, and acknowledging that they know where their bottleneck is, they go and add a bunch of stuff that will clog the bottleneck further.
Don't get me wrong. I'm thrilled that I'm getting a model for Jethro. A Druze character! But I'm concerned that it might delay Acheron Falls simply by pushing too many new ideas through the bottleneck.
Bladerunner2019
That stuff actually kept me following GW through the darkness of 6th-7th. Now that 8th is rolling around, GW seems to be poised to poach people from the smaller companies that played because of balance issues or the rules just not being "there". They now have what looks to be a pretty good rule set and a rock solid foundation of models. CB's strategy of bumbling about and living off of the good will of their player base while they side track to a bunch of irrelvant business ventures while being "not GW" I think is going to hurt them hard by the end of this year.
Unless there is something to be excited about this year coming in August and its definitely not another board game to add to the thousands already on the market or a manga for people who like manga or an RPG that has a different market as well.
BrotherGecko wrote: Unless there is something to be excited about this year coming in August and its definitely not another board game to add to the thousands already on the market or a manga for people who like manga or an RPG that has a different market as well.
To be fair, the manga and RPG are smart. They're licensed out. Modiphius pays CB for the license, and expands CB's potential customer base. The manga didn't take any of their design or production resources as they hired freelance artists. The only part that takes their resources is getting their stuff approved.
I was more upset at the Luxumbra kickstarter. After saying it wasn't going to take CB's resources except for Angel, they go and announce a bunch of CB's sculptors are working on it. You know, the guys who are apparently the bottleneck for getting Infinity releases sculpted. Who are now sculpting busts for totally not CB even though all the staff are CB.
Didn't they do a couple of models for the RPG though and market them as HVTs? Honestly we didn't need HVT models or generic mercs (literally could be a model from any faction with similar load outs) or pilots, or stripper-bees.
Alpharius wrote: I'm sad that the Haqqislam Super-Soldier Sectorial, Al-Medinat, is apparently in the doghouse of backburner forgotten land!
Well, last year we saw the new Al Fasid, the new Khawarij, the Zhayedin, and the new Tuareg, all of which are in the sectorial... and follow ups of the Tuareg Hacker and the Al Fasid HRL. That's five minis within a year. Not quite forgotten land... perhaps set aside for a while land?
Ha!
Thanks for the reminder - apparently they're in MY "I forgot about them land"!
I guess I just want that new sectorial (where did we learn about the new name for it, Ramah Task Force?), and more new minis for it...
We learnt it was called the Ramah Task Force when Red Veil came out (every Haqq model in RV can be used in Ramah).
-Loki- wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote: Unless there is something to be excited about this year coming in August and its definitely not another board game to add to the thousands already on the market or a manga for people who like manga or an RPG that has a different market as well.
To be fair, the manga and RPG are smart. They're licensed out. Modiphius pays CB for the license, and expands CB's potential customer base. The manga didn't take any of their design or production resources as they hired freelance artists. The only part that takes their resources is getting their stuff approved.
I was more upset at the Luxumbra kickstarter. After saying it wasn't going to take CB's resources except for Angel, they go and announce a bunch of CB's sculptors are working on it. You know, the guys who are apparently the bottleneck for getting Infinity releases sculpted. Who are now sculpting busts for totally not CB even though all the staff are CB.
There are good points being made about the bottleneck, but at the seminar a while ago Bostria specifically mentioned it was the design that was the bottleneck, not the sculpting - most of the sculptors are freelance anyway so work on stuff for other games as well (Javier Urena who does some sculpts did the Storm Raptor for PP for example) so they can handle having lots on I imagine!
A lot of Infinity players had been clamoring for civvie minis for many years. The civvies in the Dire Foes boxes and the HVT civvies were CB's response to that demand. They were wanted, if not necessarily strickly needed. However, there have been more than a few *distractions* this year, so far. Some of them good-- Fat Yuan Yuan which are useful in Game-- and some of them sad, like the Execrable Tech-Bee.
Six new/resculpted Ramah Task Force minis-- not including Ghulam-- released over the last year, not 5 as I wrote earlier. Math can be challenging on a Friday afternoon, eh? IIRC, the Naffatun, a fairly recent new box are in the RTF too.
Speaking of Six. The Outrage box has 6 Mercs to it. Perhaps it is a back-door Merc Starter Box?
We will probably here more about the next book at GenCon or Interplanetary, so 10 weeks to go?
Another thing I've just remembered, there was an advert a little while ago for a concept artist job at CB, so hopefully the design side will begin to pick up a bit.
6 model box - no profiles yet Emily, Beba, Domovoi, Nakadai, Uhahu, Jethro
repacks: Teutonic knights
Seriously? Oh, boy.
I doubt Beba is going to have her own TAG. Rather, she'll be able to replace a pilot of a manned TAG in the faction that she's played in. Unsure how this would work with Scarface and Cordelia, however those two are going to get phased out eventually, if I'm not mistaken.
6 model box - no profiles yet Emily, Beba, Domovoi, Nakadai, Uhahu, Jethro
repacks:
Teutonic knights
Seriously? Oh, boy.
I doubt Beba is going to have her own TAG. Rather, she'll be able to replace a pilot of a manned TAG in the faction that she's played in. Unsure how this would work with Scarface and Cordelia, however those two are going to get phased out eventually, if I'm not mistaken.
'Phased out'? Doubtful. CB have said after TAGLine they will go back to QK only, however.
anab0lic wrote: I used to love the look of space marines and 40k in general, but since getting into Infinity, when I go back and look at them or look at the new 40k 8th Edition releases they just dont look cool to me anymore, all I see are these bulky 'derpy' looking characters... I Want to get excited for the new 40k but infinity seems to have destroyed my love for the aesthetic of that game. Curious if anyone else feels this way?
Infinity has dampened a lot of my enthusiasm for either Warhammer, even with the new edition. By simply having better mini's, rules and tables.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
-Loki- wrote: 'Phased out'? Doubtful. CB have said after TAGLine they will go back to QK only, however.
Phased out of current situation. If she'd be a replacement pilot for a manned TAG it'd mean Aleph and PanO couldn't field her after Scarface is no longer available. It'd wouldn't surprise me, if they'd introduce replacement or simply decide against the original plan. There are other ways to include a mercenary pilot, from being able to also include other TAG in your army as long as Beba is taken as the pilot. It'd lead to odd situations and a page of rules to explain how her interaction works. I'd prefer to see Beba and her TAG being available on their own as opposed including a TAG in a six character box.
I'm really just interested in Emily, buying entire box just for her is far from ideal.
Uhahu, I think, would be the interesting one out of the set. So far, CB haven't sculpted any kids. It'll be interesting to see how she scales up with the rest of the line. I'd also be curious if the Oniwaban guy and Jethro will be sculpted with their masks on, considering Knauf wasn't.
I hope the Oniwaban has the mask on...though I also hope he has a syringe sculpted on him somewhere.
This release has honestly almost got me to order an Anaconda straight up. The only thing holding me back is not knowing what faction she is. If she is a faction I don't play I will get one and paint it as Stallion Jack, but if she is attachable to QK or USAriadna then I will need to link the scheme a bit.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
Muse On Minis is launching their new Infinity terrain this weekend with a $50 discount for buying a full table set. It's pretty sweet stuff if you don't want to paint your own.
Love the painting on those, but they are pretty much just boxes... wish they had invested some time in designing some buildings with a little more flair (stairs, second floor balconies, anything really). Will hold for the details on the objective room, though
AduroT wrote: Muse On Minis is launching their new Infinity terrain this weekend with a $50 discount for buying a full table set. It's pretty sweet stuff if you don't want to paint your own.
Alpharius wrote: They do look VERY nice, and if I didn't already own a TON of terrain for Infinity, I'd probably be picking this up...
Me too. It is a lot of terrain for the money. I don't mind the blockiness too much, but a further accessories set with masts and signs and things would help a lot.
I picked up a set at MuseOnCon after seeing it in action and I'm really happy with it.
It's heavy enough that it doesn't move around when stacked but there are also a lot of nice connector pieces if you want to make sure things don't move at all. Things connect very nicely with the walkways, barricades and ladders all slotting into the connection points securely. The tops on the buildings are also well supported to the point where you probably shouldn't glue them down and instead store all your scatter terrain inside. The eagle nests are perhaps the one piece I thought could use a bit of extra support, but I wouldn't call them fragile or expect them to break or anything. It's really well set up for a number of configurations and the bundle set provides plenty to work with.
Visually, it looks great as the foundation of a table. I agree it needs a little flare to really stand out, but the building designs are interesting and I can't overstate how nice it is to have them come in color. I'm terrible about buying terrain and never finding time to paint it and these are a fantastic shortcut that probably look better than what I'd do on my own anyway.
The objective markers the set comes with are little computer consoles that do a good job of providing a little more flare to the set, as do the shipping containers. Mixing in some interesting scatter terrain will go a long way towards decorating the set. The set itself looks great, but is mostly geared towards providing things to improve the game. A few decorative elements will go a long way towards painting a scene.
It's also worth noting, for the most part, you really don't need much in terms of stacking height here. It's hard to appreciate without models on the table, but these things sizeable, and each layer of building is just a little shorter than the profile height of a TAG. It's definitely worth a couple two story buildings to break things up farther and reduce the open firelanes on the roofs, but stacking 3 high makes for a pretty impractical tower. From the ground the buildings break up the table very quickly for the majority of models in the game.
Overall, I'm really happy with what I got from this set and I'm really looking forward to getting more games on it. It's a fantastic deal if you're looking to build an Infinity table and its basically a no-brainer if you're just getting into the game.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
Thanks man. I do feel like CB come in for a lot of unfounded criticism, most of it due to them being a small company who focus on creativity to keep things fresh. Check out the Fat Yuan Yuan missions for example; they're genius! One thing I can guarantee is that they don't make these decisions to piss people off.
ImAGeek wrote: Sure, but they're not forgotten about or on the back burner (they'll be working on them, and the other sectorials in the book, now presumably), they just aren't out yet.
In all honesty, I can get the feeling of fatigue at waiting for Acheron Falls to finally come out.
And to be honest, all of the recent out-of-scale repackages and the news of the new boardgame (and even the manga) have left me utterly cold to CBannounced release schedule. And it hasn't helped that they also formed the main bottleneck in Modiphius's RPG development. I mean, Modiphius was able to fund and release the initial wave of physical books for their Conan line before I even got a finalized PDF for the Infinity RPG that was in development months before the Conan KS even started. Their development bottleneck is so bad that not even licensees can escape its pull!
We've been waiting on Acheron Falls since before we even knew we were getting a 3rd Edition. Hell, it has been a known factor since before Campaign Paradiso dropped. And in that time it has gone from being a Human Sphere sized magnum opus to something between that and the original Campaign Paradiso. Armies have been added, cut, and shuffled around in the shadows and it is hard to build up any excitement over such a release when it feels like the run up to its release has us donning Xenu's Paradoxical Running Shoes of Futility.
Release schedules have never been CB's strong suit. The one book per two year model just makes it really hard to maintain excitement about the game and no matter how many times CB say "we've cut content from this book to get it out faster" it still never happens any faster than it did before (though in the case of stuff like Campaign Paradiso, it managed to come out incredibly late while also feeling hopelessly rushed).
So even if we know AF exists in some capacity, it is hard not to feel like every single sectorial in that book isn't on a backburner for years at this point. To say nothing of the factions cut from that book in the first place. I know they're a small company, and I know they are carefully controlling their growth, but these delays on new material are starting to get onerous after all these years.
Repackages are to cut down on SKUs, which CB has been very transparent about. If this facilitates more shops stocking Infinity, which has a fairly bewildering range of models, then it's all good - the community grows, CB gets more revenue to employ more staff, and their capacity to release new models is increased. CB are not the only miniatures company moving towards starter packs, boxed sets and reduced SKUs, it's very much in-trend at the moment. In terms of getting resculpts, personally I like a lot of the older models, and don't really care about the scale. The Umbra Samaritan, which is a pretty recent model, is significantly oversized. CB moved to the silhouette system so that they weren't constrained in their design, so it's all good - people come in all shapes and sizes. When you put the models next to each other are they so significantly different that you feel you are unable to effectively play the game with them? Does this lack of consistency in size really spoil your enjoyment of the game? There seems to be a lot of hyperbole and faux annoyance surrounding this issue, and I have never met anyone in real life who has a problem with it. If you really think it's that bad, just proxy - even at tournaments most TOs don't really care if you proxy as long as they look fairly similar, and there are countless miniature lines to find alternatives from.
In terms of 'waiting' for Acheron Falls, why not just play Paradiso? I ran a very popular Paradiso campaign at my local club, and the concerns about it not being compatible with N3 are very much unfounded. The missions in there are fantastic, and the campaign system works well. If that's not your cup of tea the Tagline narrative campaign is also great. There's also the current Wotan campaign, which lends itself to narrative gaming - I ran a tournament just today based upon Wotan. Lots of narrative gaming facilitated by CB with very little effort required to get up and running. There's also nothing stopping you from creating your own narrative campaigns - just the other weekend a friend of mine ran a two day home-brew narrative tournament, and there's a couple others coming up around the UK in the next couple of weeks. Be the change you want to see.
Finally, CB are a small company, which allows them to form great connections with the community. I'm running an event in August and CB are sending lots of free prize support to me for that, and I have a direct channel to the person in overall charge of tournaments - just the other day we had a chat via PM on the forums. Customer service and satisfaction are fundamental to the way CB work, and if that means things come a little slowly then so be it. Would much rather have that and a slow release schedule than being shamelessly price-gouged by a large company with little customer interaction but a rapid release schedule. If you don't feel the same way then I'm not sure what to say, other than the way CB operate is very unlikely to change in the near future, and that perhaps you could apply to work for them, as I understand they are looking to hire and expand. At the moment there is literally one person in charge of the fluff, so of course there will be bottlenecks if we want a consistent timeline - again, we've all had experience of the opposite approach as espoused by GW. CB have been very transparent and open about their release schedule, so if you want to wait for a sectorial you have an idea of how far away it might be. There's a Shasvastii resculpt coming at some point in the future, but it will be after Svarlheim Pan O, Kazaks, the new Tohaa sectorial and the new Haqq sectorial. I can't wait and I really like the Shasvastii models so I'll be buying them anyway - I could hold on, but I don't want to. We all know what's coming so the choice is there for you too - at least CB don't invalidate whole swathes of models when they bring out a new release, it's just a resculpt of an existing profile.
Glad to see someone with highlighting the positive goals & results from CB over the past few years.
I am by no means a fanboy. They have their failings. But too often that is the ONLY thing we focus on here.
Thanks man. I do feel like CB come in for a lot of unfounded criticism, most of it due to them being a small company who focus on creativity to keep things fresh. Check out the Fat Yuan Yuan missions for example; they're genius! One thing I can guarantee is that they don't make these decisions to piss people off.
Not uncommon on these boards. Wyrd gets the same criticism.
Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Every time you say "Unseen" I think Harmony Gold hire a new lawyer. And possibly kill a kitten.
I have to admit, as much as I am very keen to see the Dolly Dagger crew, I am also sort of baffled by their existence. They are exactly the kind of merc outfit a would-be merc play would want to build for N3, but until those merc outfits are published, this isn't possible, right?
Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Ahmm... Well... maybe WE (hardcore fans) have already seen low quality mobile phone JPGs in this same forum thread while ago... anyway, I think that we are not supposed to be "mayor exposure" and I think that is why they paint the miniatures and publish them on social media and youtube and stuff...
...because maybe they want to show their stuff and reach as much people as they could...
... in order to promote the game...
...so more players jump in...
...and therefore they shell more stuff...
Kanluwen wrote: Would much rather they have shown off the only thing "unseen" for this month in the form of the "Dolly Dagger" crew since we've had renders for quite some time on the rest of the releases.
Ahmm... Well... maybe WE (hardcore fans) have already seen low quality mobile phone JPGs in this same forum thread while ago... anyway, I think that we are not supposed to be "mayor exposure" and I think that is why they paint the miniatures and publish them on social media and youtube and stuff...
...because maybe they want to show their stuff and reach as much people as they could...
... in order to promote the game...
...so more players jump in...
...and therefore they shell more stuff...
Just my point there.
And just so we're clear:
They don't do that. They give their videos out to "partners" who then publish the stuff. Some of them(Ash from Guerilla Games) do a good job of trying to do what you're talking about.
Others? It's just part of the daily blast of whatever info.
No comments on the mini? Okay, I'll start. Meh. I like much of the new YJ aesthetic, but this mini is just meh. The static greatcoat and the very obtrusive TREQ are unappealing. (In My Opinion™) Pass.
Was there a rumor that the Riot Grrl renders shown were WIPs? I thought that I heard that they were not the final sculpts.
A reminder of what is still coming:
USAriadna Airborne Ranger Molotok
Yu Jing Zhanying hacker Nomads Riot Grrls box
Rodok Missile launcher
Sukeul Missile launcher
6 model box - no profiles yet Emily, Beba, Domovoi, Nakadai, Uhahu, Jethro
repacks:
Teutonic knights
Ekdromoi 2 blister
And a GenCon announcement at some point very soon.
I personally think this looks so much cooler than the ML guy. I especially love how the collars look on this hacker.
I am, however, afraid Infinity is going through a armored-with-a-coat phase with an increasingly large amount of models with this gimmick. It might become stale soon.
Will this Zhanying be the perfect amalgam of memes between combat heels, tactical debris, coat, and the sassy hip?
4 new things(Sukeul, Rodok, Airborne, and Zhanying), 1 resculpt(Riot Grrls are resculpts no matter what some might argue), and two repacks(Ekdromoi and Knights).
Notably absent is the "Outrage" pack, which I'm going to go ahead and call out as the GenCon "exclusive".
It's going to have to be beyond awesome for me to want to pick it up...
I've decided to pare down my Infinity forces to 'just' Haqqislam's Ramah Task Force, a Jotum focused PanO force (the eventual Svalarheima Sectorial), and just about everything Combined.
And maybe a small Aleph faction.
Which means I'll soon be selling a ton of Nomads and Ariadna.
Kanluwen wrote: 4 new things(Sukeul, Rodok, Airborne, and Zhanying), 1 resculpt(Riot Grrls are resculpts no matter what some might argue), and two repacks(Ekdromoi and Knights).
Notably absent is the "Outrage" pack, which I'm going to go ahead and call out as the GenCon "exclusive".
Man if the Outrage box is what CB is bringing to the table at Gencon then bring on the 40k 8th edition onslaught because my hobby is ready.
Three don't suck, Beba is terrible, Domovoi looks like a Gary Morley sculpt, and the "lolsexykidfromthelore" is way obviously resized from normal size.
I'd say Jethro would be tolerable if a solo release as well as Shunya. Emily is a competent model but nothing worth a purchase. Domovoi and Uhahu are just bad. Beba is so bad that all the other models in the box, the person who buys them and the parents of the purchaser all feel a slight bit of shame by association.
Eh, not surprised they left Nakadai and Jethro's masks off. Nevermind there was a whole page in the comic dedicated to the design of Nakadai's mask and he only goes without it for a couple panels. I think the Outrage box is largely a pass. Jethro is really the only one I'd be interested in having.
Love the new Riot Girls, think a big improvement over the previous sculpt. They carry a lot more energy than the standing-in-line originals, punk-ish odd haircuts (like Die Antwoord-style). Would love to go to town on painting that armour as well, seems Nomads are finally becoming the most colourful of factions that their background suggests they should be.
And I am stunned that anyone can think the Zhanying is anything other than a thing of beauty. As cool as feth to boot, what a sculpt.
There's no disputing tastes, Pacific. It's not to my liking, as noted, but I'm glad you like it. For me, it really is the coat with the (in scale) ~3" thick fabric that bothers. Ah well, I was never going to add a Zhanying to my small Yu Jing collection anyway. ( Su Jian, Hac Tao and a few others. Just enough to have 300 points, and a small amount of variety.)
The face on that Molotok wielding ranger seems like it should be familiar. Is it a pop culture reference? It is a nice mini.
The Riot Grrls. Not angry looking enough. They need to look, like, 23.5% angrier. </joke> What an improvement over the old box! These I like. The tinbot is large enough to proxy as a helperbot (palbot, nasmat, etc).
The other minis are nice, but that Outrage box...
Beba Rodriguez looks to make a reasonable proxy for the execrable Tech-Bee mini. (Do I need to add the </joke> tag to this comment?
Emily and Nakadai are nice enough. Uhahu is what, a newspaper delivery boy? jethro, gee, YASM (yet another Sniper Mini) I have no idea about their profiles so I cannot say if this makes a good starter Merc box. ( they are listed as Mercs.)
I'd like to see a higher resolution image before making final judgement though.
This Merc box is labeled as an "Outrage" box and unlikely to be the starter. Plus, having an entire starter full of characters is a bit much even if it were Steel Phalanx.
I'm hoping the White Stars mercs will at least have a group of common troops like the Kaplan or Druze.
Red Harvest wrote: There's no disputing tastes, Pacific. It's not to my liking, as noted, but I'm glad you like it. For me, it really is the coat with the (in scale) ~3" thick fabric that bothers.
Yes exactly. There is also nothing natural about the way it fits to the body or hangs in space.
Very similar to the fatty authorized bounty hunter that came with the N3 preorder. The model would be great without the silly coat.
The Riot Grrls. Not angry looking enough. They need to look, like, 23.5% angrier. </joke> What an improvement over the old box! These I like. The tinbot is large enough to proxy as a helperbot (palbot, nasmat, etc).
Can't say Riot Grrls ever excited me much to begin with. Like the other Nomad HI profiles, they're just not exciting to me.
New minis are an improvement, but I guess we'll have to keep using the older spitfire mini for the time being :-/
But rly who am I kidding? I'll buy both of these releases I'm bitching about.
Beba Rodriguez looks to make a reasonable proxy for the execrable Tech-Bee mini. (Do I need to add the </joke> tag to this comment?
Emily and Nakadai are nice enough. Uhahu is what, a newspaper delivery boy? jethro, gee, YASM (yet another Sniper Mini) I have no idea about their profiles so I cannot say if this makes a good starter Merc box. ( they are listed as Mercs.)
Have you not read the manga? If you haven't and intend to, beware.
Spoiler:
Uhahu is small because there's a problem with, IIRC, the breathable air in her module, Baker Module, that stunts growth. Adults are basically child sized. It's a call back to the Baker Street Irregulars from Sherlock Holmes. Jethro is Knauf. Like, a direct copy using his cube. He's a sniper because Knauf is a sniper. He was never not going to have a sniper rifle.
I hope Jethro is available to QK and is linkable with Druze. I was super happy with the focus on the Druze in the manga, so giving QK a Druze character would be great.
Not much of a Manga reader, me, so no worries about the spoilers. I was referring to the way Uhahu looks, with the ballcap and the messenger bag. The mini would proxy nicely as many things, come to think of it, and for any faction. It could be a HVT too.
A Druze character would be a fine addition to QK. We'll see when the Army Builder updates. All of these minis will get profiles and be available somewhere. They cannot all be available only to Yu Jing
Now that I've seen better resolution photos... Beba could be painted to be wearing a catsuit and serve as a TAG pilot proxy for any TAG, really, and not just an Anaconda. The mini would be good as a Guijia Pilot, better than the current mini. Emily is generic enough to be for any faction except Ariadna. Domovoi needs to be on a 40mm base, and is the only mini I see no use for outside of Ariadna-- faction which I don't play, or collect. Or use them as intended. We'll see what sort of availability they have soon enough.
They are all nice enough minis, a decent collection of minis, good but not show-stopping. Something seems off about the painting.
I suspect that we've seen these releases early to clear the way for the GenCon announcement.
Watch it be a LE Anaconda (Bebe's Anaconda)
Airborne Ranger or Rodok? Hmmm, I think the Ranger wins the month.
Automatically Appended Next Post: We're all out of renders without releases, are we not? So next month will be chock full o' surprises?
Red Harvest wrote: A Druze character would be a fine addition to QK. We'll see when the Army Builder updates. All of these minis will get profiles and be available somewhere. They cannot all be available only to Yu Jing
About Jethro (large Outrage spoilers for those who haven't read it)..
Spoiler:
The basic storyline is Knauf was a Hexahedron operative, and retired. During that time he infiltrated the Druze society and worked for them in their shock teams. After he retired, the Hexahedron wanted him back, so they cloned his cube in another L-Host. This version of him was reinserted into the Druze society, but 'went native', cut off ties with the Hexahedron, and became a full on Druze and climbed the ladder until he was essentially in a high position. He's essentially 'bad Knauf'.
I'm guessing his skillset will be very similar to Knauf, probably with some different equipment.
Red Harvest - yes these things are subjective I suppose, I see what you mean now about the thickness of the cloak. Wonder if this was a limitation of the casting?
Not sure about the face of the airborne ranger - maybe Russian tennis player Svetlana Kuznetsova? Definitely a Slavic look about her.
Still haven't got hold of Outrage although must do at some point, how does the story stand up aside from it being a manga?
Fantastic releases this month. I've already converted a Rodok ML but the new sculpt looks badass. Helmetless Riot Grrls look fantastic [was never a fan of the weird fins on the helmets] and Outrage characters are a great visualisation of the Manga charcters. Beba is sexy AF and will be used as a proxy wherever possible, and Emily is my new CSU. Nice work CB!
Rewatching it I found these frames too be the most interesting.
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So we have (left to right)
1) Lunah, known quantity.
2) Aleph Fight-bot? Arms and Legs seems to be attached by space magnets.
3) Nomad Cyber-Witch? She seems to have Borderlands style digi-constructs which looks cool.
4) Captain Pan-O? HI looking dude with a big ass shield. I can get behind him. Didn't even think that HI would be a thing in this game.
Thanks guys. So I wonder if there was an inspiration for the other Riot Grrl. And still wondering about the Ranger. Doesn't look like Maria Sharapova to me.
The Aristeia game may be part of the GenCon deal, maybe. I just wish that it were not a 2 player game. Board Games for 3+ players are more interesting, and easier to get my group to play.
I probably won't buy Aristeia if it's 2 player only as it will never get played for that same reason. Though if it has a really cool pre-order (like a metal wild bill for infinity) I'll probably be dumb and buy it.
plastictrees wrote: What usual pattern? Still waiting for a non doctor Janissary with an AP rifle and a new style Djan sniper.
CB do what they feel like.
Yeah... still waiting on basic older stuff like a new celestial guard box, new Keisotsu, Shang Ji.
Monkeysloth wrote: I probably won't buy Aristeia if it's 2 player only as it will never get played for that same reason. Though if it has a really cool pre-order (like a metal wild bill for infinity) I'll probably be dumb and buy it.
The team building element is what intrigues me. Given their track record with Infinity it's an auto-buy for me anyway.
plastictrees wrote: What usual pattern? Still waiting for a non doctor Janissary with an AP rifle and a new style Djan sniper.
CB do what they feel like.
Also a non-doctor Djanbazan AP rifle. My guess is the AP Rifle Jannisary and a Djanbazan, either Sniper Rifle or AP Rifle will appear in a redone QK starter. I'd say AP Rifle Djanbazan and Sniper in a blister but that would make for 6 models which is pretty unheard of.
Sounds about right. It's also possible that we'll see 2 Djanbazan, with one replacing either one of the Hafza or the Odalisque spitfire. Of course, when we'll see a new QK starter...
Kanluwen wrote: Or for the same price, you could just buy Overwatch for PC or console.
Yeah, I'm looking for something that doesn't follow the design of PC games. If I wanted to play OW, HOTS or something similar there are already a ton of games to choose from. The miniature aspect isn't strong enough when the mechanics are unappealing or game feels as it was rigidly ported from PC.
I can't believe we're getting a second Major Lunaah figure already. And another Musashi.
I had to double check, if I'm really seeing another Musashi and Lunah. So far no character that I'd like so I'll hunker down and let the it pass.
Kanluwen wrote: Parvati looks to be an Lhost. Look at the face, it has the "lines" that the ALEPH Vedic/Posthuman stuff has.
She is. There's a video on Beasts of War where Carlos talks about the characters a bit, she's been around since the start of Aristeia, which originally just used robots for entertainment.
I'm really impressed with the models mostly. Mushashi is particularly awesome, and I prefer both him and Lunah to the current sculpts (although it's a lot closer with Lunah, both sculpts are pretty good).
The models, especially Parvati's pistol lying flat on her chest, make them seem like they're a different material altogether. So long as it's Wyrd's plastic, is all fine.
I'm gonna need Mushashi. The boxed set did nothing for me, but this is amazing. Much more dynamic, with more movement to the Skort(tm) and clearly challenging another opponent. Damned fine.
I don't like the aesthetics for Fat Panda and Catgrrl, but there's no sculpting duds. This would be fun to paint.
I'm really liking Musashi, Wild Bill and the Nomad witch. Even though CB is saying no compatibility with infinity I do wonder how long until some of them get non-its merc rules.
Hex3r is my favourite by a big margin. And I'm sorry but... Gata... really? Is basically "Female cat" in spanish as name But I assume that for other people it will sound exotic
Galas wrote: Hex3r is my favourite by a big margin. And I'm sorry but... Gata... really? Is basically "Female cat" in spanish as name But I assume that for other people it will sound exotic
Aristeia is supposed to be a multicultural group of people that speak different languages. She could be Spanish especially considering she's probably a Nomad.
It's not too much of a step away from the character "Catwoman".
We have thespian wrestlers in the US named "Rock" "Hulk" "Undertaker" and other nouns.
Galas wrote: Hex3r is my favourite by a big margin. And I'm sorry but... Gata... really? Is basically "Female cat" in spanish as name But I assume that for other people it will sound exotic
"Cat" is fairly common in North America, as a diminutive of "Catherine". So it's not particularly exotic.
Its the same in Greek, Gata (well technically γάτα) still she is going to a celebrity around here just for her name and the conversation she will give on the game.
These are game pieces for a board game, not miniatures for a tabletop game. They could just as well be some form of *Bonesium* and still be acceptable... for a board game. Very few boardgamers want to assemble or paint minis. Standards for board game pieces are quite distinct from those for TTGs.
Now CB may release, as a Limited Edition or even a regular release, metal versions of some of the minis, in addition to Lunah and Musashi.
So assuming these will be a boardgaming style plastic? Hopefully something approaching the quality of Zombicide: BP or the Walking Dead game..
Very characterful looking sculpts, something a bit different to the miniature game (get the feeling they don't have the same detail level as the wargame miniatures, although that is to be expected)
And hopefully something that will be fun and a bit less full on than the miniature wargame.
I'll add that I think that they are very nice game pieces. Better than what came with Myth or the D&D adventure games for certain. I don't know about the games Pacific cited.
I wonder how it will be received by the Boardgaming Community.
Well until told otherwise I think it's a safe assumption that these are resin masters and they don't have plastic samples ready to show yet. While I've seen some really nice PVC stuff (like Conan and CMoN) I'm not going to jump to assuming these are those as we all know that the melee weapons and tails would be bent in the final release.
I will be at Gencon so I'll see about getting a demo.
They all look incredible, love the panda guy and the cat girl, very Bakunin; although the Hexer sculpt is probably the standout in the box. They sent the beta out to warcors to test it and report back, CB again showing how to engage with the community while at the same time improve their product.
After watching the video Carlos seems very proud of the gameplay which is very promising, although I would probably still buy it for the sculpts even if it played like Dreadfleet.
I love the miniatures but don't really want to buy another board game. I hope they release them for Infinity with some kind of mercenary profile that all factions can take.
Alpharius wrote: I hope that they eventually release proper Infinity versions of all of these Ariesteia characters too...I mean, no way they don't eventually, right?
Also, does anyone have a list of the Warcors who are also active on Dakka Dakka?
Galas wrote: Hex3r is my favourite by a big margin. And I'm sorry but... Gata... really? Is basically "Female cat" in spanish as name But I assume that for other people it will sound exotic
Aristeia is supposed to be a multicultural group of people that speak different languages. She could be Spanish especially considering she's probably a Nomad.
It's not too much of a step away from the character "Catwoman".
Does Aristeia take place in Newport Station, because winged green girl and catgirl = Dominion (Tank Police).
Kanluwen wrote: Kamau aren't supposed to get new profiles with Varuna, but ORCs are. They're also not going to give PanO a damn ORC box until Varuna.
You might just killed Varuna for me. I was under impression that Kamau simply got point updates with new profiles waiting new expansion. Something special for ORC would be nice, but it also feels odd. Special treatment for Varuna ORC but not for others.
Kanluwen wrote: Kamau aren't supposed to get new profiles with Varuna, but ORCs are. They're also not going to give PanO a damn ORC box until Varuna.
You might just killed Varuna for me. I was under impression that Kamau simply got point updates with new profiles waiting new expansion. Something special for ORC would be nice, but it also feels odd. Special treatment for Varuna ORC but not for others.
What more did Kamau need?
The fact that they're there and no other Sectorial is the "special" part of it. Bolts didn't get Engineers, despite the constant teasing that they were waiting for N3 to give them Engineer profiles or Drop Bears or whatever.
Kamau are likely to be the AVA Total Line Troops for Varuna and Linkable to boot. I'll be pissed if they give Kamau Haris but didn't give it to Bolts though.
Maybe 2 new models and 1 old one?
For instance, the intruder sniper is already out there & fairly new.
They seemed content to keep the old ML swiss guard & orcs. I see no reasons to redo the swiss guard HMG, it's also a great mini.
Maybe 2 new models and 1 old one?
For instance, the intruder sniper is already out there & fairly new.
They seemed content to keep the old ML swiss guard & orcs. I see no reasons to redo the swiss guard HMG, it's also a great mini.
Tho I really hope a new Daofei will be in there.
They'll be new. This is their GenCon release which they go all out on, and I don't think they'd sell a box with a mix of old and new models (some might have the old ones already); the times they've done that, they've had the new models separately in a blister for 3 months or so to get round the issue.
So does this mean that Ramah Taskforce will include Hassassins or are these upgrade sets just running away from theme and into releasing just whatever is kicking around the studio?
BrotherGecko wrote: So does this mean that Ramah Taskforce will include Hassassins or are these upgrade sets just running away from theme and into releasing just whatever is kicking around the studio?
I think it is more the latter?
This is a 'vanilla' upgrade, not a sectorial preview.
Hmm, if the Daofei and Guilang are getting re-sculpts then that will be great. Though I will admit, I would have preferred the Daofei Spitfire first. But the HMG and Spitfire at least look close enough to proxy these days.
Well, for Yu Jing, the Guilang is supposedly going into the Yu Jing Svalarheim sectorial (if that is still going to happen)... I would agree that this expansion is a 'vanilla' upgrade.
I am quite curious how a resculpted Fiday may look. And the Guilang, since it seems a nice addition, and the current ones look nice enough, but ought to look much better with an update/resculpt.
BrotherGecko wrote: So does this mean that Ramah Taskforce will include Hassassins or are these upgrade sets just running away from theme and into releasing just whatever is kicking around the studio?
It's upgrade sets.
The main starter sets were not intended to be sectorial boxes, they just kinda/sorta became them.
But the CSU is currently Merc/NCA only. An odd inclusion.
One of the Beasts of War guys kept defending it with stuff like "it could be part of a scenario in the box!" and things like that, so...yeah. Basically expect that.
But the CSU is currently Merc/NCA only. An odd inclusion.
One of the Beasts of War guys kept defending it with stuff like "it could be part of a scenario in the box!" and things like that, so...yeah. Basically expect that.
More like said once that maybe there was a reason for it to be in the Red Veil Box. Lets try not to overreact too much until there's an official announcement as it could be a really dumb thing as you've said or maybe there actually is a good reason the pre-order figures seam reversed.
-Loki- wrote: I'm not too fussed about getting these from Gencon for the LE models. I don't use ABH's and I'm not fussed over a CSU.
I'll probably get them but I see no reason to pick them up at Gencon, assuming they're available there, when I can just order online and save $15-$20 each box.
CB managed to find three Haqq sculpts that I'm not super excited about.
New Fiday will be great I'm sure.
Ragik...is fine, hard to complain about them completing all the options for a profile I guess.
Tarik is pretty frustrating. How about a new Asawira sculpt? Or even just a cool Janissary with an AP rifle that isn't the doctor? No-one is ever going to need two Tariks, if there was a model that didn't need both weapon profiles represented it's the huge super soldier with a great modern sculpt. It's certainly not something I've seen anyone ever ask for.
plastictrees wrote: CB managed to find three Haqq sculpts that I'm not super excited about.
New Fiday will be great I'm sure.
Ragik...is fine, hard to complain about them completing all the options for a profile I guess.
Tarik is pretty frustrating. How about a new Asawira sculpt? Or even just a cool Janissary with an AP rifle that isn't the doctor? No-one is ever going to need two Tariks, if there was a model that didn't need both weapon profiles represented it's the huge super soldier with a great modern sculpt. It's certainly not something I've seen anyone ever ask for.
Agree with all that. Fiday and Ragik Rifle models needed modern resculpts. Tarik didn't at all.
Oh well. A couple of people in my group are building up Ramah Taskforce on the back of the excellent Red Veil minis. Maybe one will take a tarik off my hands.
I'm hoping they'll be more flexible, similar to Bagh Mari (N2, D - charges, boarding shotgun). The last time I've followed anything about Kamau, CB had been supposedly pushing them into MI point range. If Varuna has Fusiliers I can't really see a way Kamau will have easy time. Increased ballistic skill simply fell behind with N3. Now Haris of them composed out of HMG, paramedic and D-charges would be more tempting configuration to include. Either with Fusiliers as full link team or ORC.
I'm hoping they'll be more flexible, similar to Bagh Mari (N2, D - charges, boarding shotgun). The last time I've followed anything about Kamau, CB had been supposedly pushing them into MI point range. If Varuna has Fusiliers I can't really see a way Kamau will have easy time. Increased ballistic skill simply fell behind with N3. Now Haris of them composed out of HMG, paramedic and D-charges would be more tempting configuration to include. Either with Fusiliers as full link team or ORC.
But the CSU is currently Merc/NCA only. An odd inclusion.
One of the Beasts of War guys kept defending it with stuff like "it could be part of a scenario in the box!" and things like that, so...yeah. Basically expect that.
More like said once that maybe there was a reason for it to be in the Red Veil Box. Lets try not to overreact too much until there's an official announcement as it could be a really dumb thing as you've said or maybe there actually is a good reason the pre-order figures seam reversed.
Let me rephrase this then:
The mere fact that he commented tells us everything we need to know. They've already filmed everything for Infinity Week.
It's odd that they would throw a character into one of those sets. Maybe they'll actually sculpt Tarik wearing that respirator he has around his neck. That way you could just use him as the Spitfire Khawarij.
I'm so glad that the Daofei is getting a coat - makes them look like the Guilang's bigger, tougher brother and bridges the gap between Guilang and the Hac Tao.
I'm mainly relieved that they'll look significantly different from all the conversions I've done, so I won't feel bummed out about it.
Barzam wrote: It's odd that they would throw a character into one of those sets. Maybe they'll actually sculpt Tarik wearing that respirator he has around his neck. That way you could just use him as the Spitfire Khawarij.
No you couldn't, because Tarik is on a 40mm base, and Khawarij are on 25mm bases.
Pattern recognition time. Tomorrow a Nomad unit silhouette and Thursday a Haqq unit silhouette? Friday brings the complete silhouettes and maybe a video teaser? Announcement on the BoW Weekender of the GenCon deal-- both expansion packs and something else-- and the official reveal on Monday the 17th, one month before GenCon. Or does CB stretch this out 2 weeks. Ugh! if they do.
A scenario in the box would make these expansion packs similar to Dire Foes. Additional background and the scenario(s) would be downloadable. CB doesn't add much printed material to the boxes. Not a bad move, really.
I'm willing to bet you could squeeze Tarik onto a 25mm base. Besides, base size doesn't matter, it's the silhouette that matters. They implemented the whole silhouette system to allow people us play even if they're using over the top scenic bases.
Barzam wrote: I'm willing to bet you could squeeze Tarik onto a 25mm base. Besides, base size doesn't matter, it's the silhouette that matters. They implemented the whole silhouette system to allow people us play even if they're using over the top scenic bases.
And the silhouette would still be bigger than a S2 model. He's broader in the shoulders.
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Red Harvest wrote: Pattern recognition time. Tomorrow a Nomad unit silhouette and Thursday a Haqq unit silhouette? Friday brings the complete silhouettes and maybe a video teaser? Announcement on the BoW Weekender of the GenCon deal-- both expansion packs and something else-- and the official reveal on Monday the 17th, one month before GenCon. Or does CB stretch this out 2 weeks. Ugh! if they do.
Bostria said on the Spanish forums Friday will be the video teaser.
A scenario in the box would make these expansion packs similar to Dire Foes. Additional background and the scenario(s) would be downloadable. CB doesn't add much printed material to the boxes. Not a bad move, really.
Truthfully, they should add printed material to the boxes.
Dire Foes had a lot of issues with people being unable to download stuff that they owned.
Barzam wrote: I'm willing to bet you could squeeze Tarik onto a 25mm base. Besides, base size doesn't matter, it's the silhouette that matters. They implemented the whole silhouette system to allow people us play even if they're using over the top scenic bases.
I'm pretty sure base size still matters for silhouettes - it's the model size that doesn't matter. Each silhouette value has an associated base size.
My only reservation is that a lot of their sculpted coats have looked kind of clunky recently. The Hsien was pretty good, but the new Zhanying suffers from "big square coat syndrome". Hopefully the Daofei and Guilang will be more Hsien-style and less along the lines of having a big, square, blocky coat. The original Guilang sculpt is such an amazing and dynamic looking model (especially compared to models of the day) that I think it will be hard to top that. But I'm excited nonetheless since these are two of my all time favourite Yu Jing units.
Barzam wrote: I'm willing to bet you could squeeze Tarik onto a 25mm base. Besides, base size doesn't matter, it's the silhouette that matters. They implemented the whole silhouette system to allow people us play even if they're using over the top scenic bases.
And the silhouette would still be bigger than a S2 model. He's broader in the shoulders.
Like it even matters. That's what the silhouette system was designed to allow the sculptors to do.
Barzam wrote: I'm willing to bet you could squeeze Tarik onto a 25mm base. Besides, base size doesn't matter, it's the silhouette that matters. They implemented the whole silhouette system to allow people us play even if they're using over the top scenic bases.
And the silhouette would still be bigger than a S2 model. He's broader in the shoulders.
Like it even matters. That's what the silhouette system was designed to allow the sculptors to do.
True...
Just saying that Tarik is fairly large compared to his subordinates.
I don't think your going to be able to get a S5 Tarik to sit on a 25mm base unless it's made from lead. Much better to just put a spitfire on the khwarij that comes in Red Veil.
You seem to be missing an earlier comment where someone wanted to use the Spitfire Tarik as the Spitfire Kwarji.
This is where this conversation was coming from before you popped in to remind people that Tarik is S5.
People were complaining about Spitfire Tarik being in the Red Veil expansion. I suggested using him as a Khawarij instead. Depending on how he's posed, I'm betting he could be squeezed onto a smaller base. That is, if you actually care about base sizes and whatnot.
On the subject of Tarik, how much bigger than the new Khawarij is he?
Barzam wrote: People were complaining about Spitfire Tarik being in the Red Veil expansion. I suggested using him as a Khawarij instead. Depending on how he's posed, I'm betting he could be squeezed onto a smaller base. That is, if you actually care about base sizes and whatnot.
On the subject of Tarik, how much bigger than the new Khawarij is he?
He's, from what I can recall(I don't have either at hand right now, closer to the size of Ajax than a standard Line Infantry. I should also add that I'm not surprised to see Tarik with this set. It goes along with their whole "Must keep SKUs down!" and since there's already an AP Rifle version for sale, why not keep the other version in a box?
It's a preview for the Fiday, who is explicitly called out in the stuff we've seen as having his CCW so expect a proxyable model.
Barzam wrote: People were complaining about Spitfire Tarik being in the Red Veil expansion. I suggested using him as a Khawarij instead. Depending on how he's posed, I'm betting he could be squeezed onto a smaller base. That is, if you actually care about base sizes and whatnot.
On the subject of Tarik, how much bigger than the new Khawarij is he?
The new Khawarij is the same size as the old one, and this pic shows Tarik next to the old one. He's quite a lot bigger. Ajax sized.
Barzam wrote: People were complaining about Spitfire Tarik being in the Red Veil expansion. I suggested using him as a Khawarij instead. Depending on how he's posed, I'm betting he could be squeezed onto a smaller base. That is, if you actually care about base sizes and whatnot.
On the subject of Tarik, how much bigger than the new Khawarij is he?
He's, from what I can recall(I don't have either at hand right now, closer to the size of Ajax than a standard Line Infantry.
I should also add that I'm not surprised to see Tarik with this set. It goes along with their whole "Must keep SKUs down!" and since there's already an AP Rifle version for sale, why not keep the other version in a box?
It's a preview for the Fiday, who is explicitly called out in the stuff we've seen as having his CCW so expect a proxyable model.
None of those silhouettes are Tarik. Far right is a Muyib or a Barid I think, but that's also been their 'generic silhouette before so might not mean much.
None of those silhouettes are Tarik. Far right is a Muyib or a Barid I think, but that's also been their 'generic silhouette before so might not mean much.
Just to further clarify: The initial commentary about Tarik had nothing to do with the teaser post. Dakka autoappends things, and I tend to erase that when I have to do edits. I had to do an edit after they posted the Twitter image since the Twitter images tend not to get work-blocked while the FB ones do.
In any regards: We know what is in this set. A distributor posted it.
It's titled "Beyond Red Veil", which contains: Daofei(HMG), Guilang(MULTI Sniper Rifle), and Zhanying(Breaker Rifle) for Yu Jing Tarik(Spitfire), Ragik(Boarding Shotgun), and Fiday(DACCW--also known as proxyfodder) for Haqqislam.
Preorder bonus of Corporate Security Unit with Breaker Rifle
Right now, most of the reasonable discussion is saying that the CSU is in that preview of the Haqqislam side. I'm, personally, leaning towards that being the case as one of the mentions of the CSUs has a comment about how they can be found in the borderlands gussied up in tactical gear like a soldier. Some of us are starting to lean towards the far right or middle silhouettes as being the CSU with the Ragik being the far left and the Fiday being whatever is left over.
There's some who are trying to say that the far right is Tarik "mini-sized" right now, but that hasn't left the Infinity forums as far as I know.
Waste how? Taking up a slot that could be filled by a profile that needs a resculpt? I can think of a number of minis that I would rather see included. The Asawira for example.
Honestly, this is the only way I would get an over-sized Tarik. I have the original, and no interest in getting the current freakish thing. The Azra'il and Al Fasid both work as S5 mini TAGs, but a human not in powered armor? Nope. Nope. And Nope.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I still don't see why CB decided to make Tarik a larger silhouette unit in the first place.
He's part of the Ramah Task Force, which has "supersoldiers" as part of its fluff. The Khawarij are subjected to the "Runihura"('Destructor') formula and he was one of the first to undergo it. Somehow his body reacted differently and now he's an unaging colossus.
Check the N3 book for the fluff on it.
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Red Harvest wrote: Waste how? Taking up a slot that could be filled by a profile that needs a resculpt? I can think of a number of minis that I would rather see included. The Asawira for example.
Honestly, this is the only way I would get an over-sized Tarik. I have the original, and no interest in getting the current freakish thing. The Azra'il and Al Fasid both work as S5 mini TAGs, but a human not in powered armor? Nope. Nope. And Nope.
Read p 93 in the N3 book. It works a lot better than you might think...
plastictrees wrote: Waste as in there a number of resculpts more necessary than Tarik with a different gun.
Sure there is, but at least you're getting it as a general availability model. Anyone who wants the Unknown Ranger with Rifle and didn't get it from GenCon is SOL.
I've read the background. The mini, had it been over-sized like the Father-Knight or Reverend-Healer in Icestorm, would have been just fine, or even if it had been a bit larger. My opinion is that it should be the same size (silhouette size) as the rest of the khawarij. And linkable with them
I'm aware of the super-jump advantage, and disadvantage. Super-sized Tarik is quite the ARO generator once he starts leaping over buildings obstacles in a single bound.
Speaking of GenCon, what is the rest of the bundle rumored to be. Obviously the two 'expansions' but there is generally a 'something else'. A Limited Edition... Blackjack? (Yeah, I'm trolling.)
While I've got no problems with the S5 Tarik (I really like the current model), the fact is he has a current model. Even the excuse that he has two weapon profiles, that's never been a concern for CB. Proxying is 100% okay.
There's other models that deserve a spot there. Non-DoctorAP Rifle Jannisary, non-Doctor AP Rifle Djanbazan. If they needed SWC, Asawira Spitfire resculpt.
-Loki- wrote: While I've got no problems with the S5 Tarik (I really like the current model), the fact is he has a current model. Even the excuse that he has two weapon profiles, that's never been a concern for CB. Proxying is 100% okay.
There's other models that deserve a spot there. Non-DoctorAP Rifle Jannisary, non-Doctor AP Rifle Djanbazan. If they needed SWC, Asawira Spitfire resculpt.
Spitfire Tarik just seems completely redundant.
Bolt Paramedic seems just as completely redundant...
I don't know why they picked it, but as long as the models don't suck I think they'll be okay.
-Loki- wrote: While I've got no problems with the S5 Tarik (I really like the current model), the fact is he has a current model. Even the excuse that he has two weapon profiles, that's never been a concern for CB. Proxying is 100% okay.
There's other models that deserve a spot there. Non-DoctorAP Rifle Jannisary, non-Doctor AP Rifle Djanbazan. If they needed SWC, Asawira Spitfire resculpt.
Spitfire Tarik just seems completely redundant.
Bolt Paramedic seems just as completely redundant...
I don't know why they picked it, but as long as the models don't suck I think they'll be okay.
They are some perplexing choices.
Haqq could use plain Khawarijs, a new Asawira, among other possible resculpts... any one might be more useful than another sculpt of Tarik.
Red Harvest wrote: I've read the background. The mini, had it been over-sized like the Father-Knight or Reverend-Healer in Icestorm, would have been just fine, or even if it had been a bit larger. My opinion is that it should be the same size (silhouette size) as the rest of the khawarij. And linkable with them
I'm aware of the super-jump advantage, and disadvantage. Super-sized Tarik is quite the ARO generator once he starts leaping over buildings obstacles in a single bound.
Speaking of GenCon, what is the rest of the bundle rumored to be. Obviously the two 'expansions' but there is generally a 'something else'. A Limited Edition... Blackjack? (Yeah, I'm trolling.)
He may well be linkable with Khawarij. Their sectorial isn't out yet.
The Haqq models are fantastic but unfortunately are models I don't think I'll use much.
My Tarik has a Spitfire, and while I'm tempted to buy another current Tarik to popp the arm off and give him his AP rifle back, I'm in no hurry. I don't think I'll really find much use for a boarding shotgun Ragik. And controversially I am not a fan od Fidays, mostly because I can't make them work the way other Haqq players tell me.
I'll buy it no doubt. It's three gorgeous miniatures. But I'm not hopping at the chance so I won't be pre ordering. I've got no interest in the CSU.
I like the Yu Jing part of it well enough, they're all very nice minis too. But I don't know Yu Jing well enough to comment on the loadouts.
The Daofei is certainly awesome but unfortunately they made a model for his absolute worst profile. The HMG simply has no synergy with his infiltration and deploying in the middle of the board with an additional 16" of a "dead zone" is very lacklustre. Combined with the fact that he's "just" BS13 and mimitism/camo are VERY common, he simply cannot afford to have a weapon which then also shoots within the 0 rangeband, on top of models being in cover. You could always argue that you could just deploy him further back, but then what's the point of simply not just taking a Hac Tao HMG, spend 1 order on him to reach the same point and then reap the benefits of HD, TO Camo and BS14.
The Guilang is similar. The best and most requested profile isl by far, the FO. Instead they make a BS11 model, with an infiltrating sniper. Infiltration has almost no synergy with the sniper, costs 1,5 SWC and he's not even HD so what's the point?
Zhanying. Best model in the box. He can act as FO, Sensor, Mad Traps, Harris and Lt. I'm very happy for the model.
They're rather nice. I can see myself picking everything up.
As far as the Yu Jing loadouts go, the Zhanying is a solid bog-standard loadout. The Daofei is a little odd in going for an HMG on a Camo infiltrator, as is having a Multi Sniper Guilang. I'm sure that there are some people that use those loadouts, but I'm not one of them.
When I saw the Kriza Borac, I thought 'when did CA get a 2 player starter? Why am I seeing a Sogorat?
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Zewrath wrote: You could always argue that you could just deploy him further back, but then what's the point of simply not just taking a Hac Tao HMG, spend 1 order on him to reach the same point and then reap the benefits of HD, TO Camo and BS14.
The Guilang is similar. The best and most requested profile isl by far, the FO. Instead they make a BS11 model, with an infiltrating sniper. Infiltration has almost no synergy with the sniper, costs 1,5 SWC and he's not even HD so what's the point?
I find Infiltrating long range weapons good for extreme flanks. If you're patient you can unload on something from outside their LoS from across the board in a good range band unexpectedly. Not saying either of these are good for it as I have no experience with them, but I use my Al Hawwa sniper like that.
Still can't believe they chose to give Tarik a second sculpt.
Everything looks great so far, given CBs release pace it's hard to not be disappointed by choices like that though.
No good angle on the Fiday, so it's hard to tell if he's the 'maybe a Muyib' render that was released recently.
While I'm unsure about the utility in-game of some of those units, the sculpts continue to be top notch. Though, I did confuse that Swiss Guard for a Father Knight at first. That Kriza Boracs is just awesome. Like a Tunguska version of the Taskmaster. I think the Icestorm expansion is really winning me over.
Really wish CB would sculpt the Haqq spitfire to look like a gun and not a ping pong ball shooter. Tarik's spitfire seems to be a new sculpt of the spitfire and it still looks like butt.
Other than that and Nomads slowly becoming Morats, everything looks better than I expected. I don't want any of it (despite playing Haqq, Yujing and Pano) but it looks nice.
Oh I *do* like the models in the Ice Storm box, especially the Nomads. Plus I compulsively collect ABH models for.. reasons.. so I will be pre-ordering for sure. It just makes me sad that I've got a such a long wait before my Kazaks get this kind treatment! Hopefully they will have sorted out the weird proportion problems by then!
Faction Bias aside, I do like the Red Veil box better. Those Nomads are nice enough, but hold no appeal for me.
Note the greatcoats on the Yu Jing minis. Now, that is what I expect from CB, instead of the recent Zhanying coat of inflexibility/whatever it was.
Kamau could effectively pass for the recent Bagh-Mari HMG.
No comments on all the tactical debris, even the "classic Spiderman pose" Fiday's. The minis are good enough to draw attention away from it. Very good indeed. I like a dynamis Fiday.
Pre-order 24 July to 21 August. However, I'm sure it will be possible to get the LE minis after that. There are always extras.
I wonder if there will be more in those boxes. They do not look like standard CB packaging. By more, I mean printed scenarios and background.
Red Harvest wrote: Faction Bias aside, I do like the Red Veil box better. Those Nomads are nice enough, but hold no appeal for me.
Note the greatcoats on the Yu Jing minis. Now, that is what I expect from CB, instead of the recent Zhanying coat of inflexibility/whatever it was.
They did a good job on the 2 new Hsien releases as well. This new coated HI looks ok in that regard.
I preferred the old black/green colors of the Daofei & I really miss the iconic head tail.
Oh well... lord knows I'm still buying both of these boxes.
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Siygess wrote: Oh I *do* like the models in the Ice Storm box, especially the Nomads. Plus I compulsively collect ABH models for.. reasons.. so I will be pre-ordering for sure. It just makes me sad that I've got a such a long wait before my Kazaks get this kind treatment! Hopefully they will have sorted out the weird proportion problems by then!
Having recently been bit by the Caledonia bug, I am disappointed there's no Ariadna in this big new exciting release.
Hopefully AF will get a box set. Ariadna vs Aleph would be a good mashup
Barzam wrote: While I'm unsure about the utility in-game of some of those units, the sculpts continue to be top notch. Though, I did confuse that Swiss Guard for a Father Knight at first. That Kriza Boracs is just awesome. Like a Tunguska version of the Taskmaster. I think the Icestorm expansion is really winning me over.
Isn't the Taskmaster also from the Tunguska sectorial?
Barzam wrote: While I'm unsure about the utility in-game of some of those units, the sculpts continue to be top notch. Though, I did confuse that Swiss Guard for a Father Knight at first. That Kriza Boracs is just awesome. Like a Tunguska version of the Taskmaster. I think the Icestorm expansion is really winning me over.
Isn't the Taskmaster also from the Tunguska sectorial?
We don't know everything that will be in Tunguska. Grenzers, Interventors, this new Bora Grizac are certain. Beyond that, probably the Securitate makes a comeback. And...
Looking at the 2 LE minis, I'm glad the CSU in with the Red Veil box. I like it much better than Joe Dirt, Bounty Hunter.
Red Harvest wrote: We don't know everything that will be in Tunguska. Grenzers, Interventors, this new Bora Grizac are certain. Beyond that, probably the Securitate makes a comeback. And...
Looking at the 2 LE minis, I'm glad the CSU in with the Red Veil box. I like it much better than Joe Dirt, Bounty Hunter.
It's funny you should say that.
We actually have a very good idea what will be in Tunguska. Spektrs Securitate Interventors Grenzers Kriza Borac Hollow Men(We don't really know what these are, just that the name keeps coming up from Bostria/Interruptor) Naval Zondbots "Puppets" have been mentioned as well. We don't know what those are.
Edit: Duh. Somehow I forgot the Szalamandra.
We also know that they are going to have Black Hand assets. This was confirmed today; consider the Black Hand Sectorial idea dead.
HMG Daofei is largely fine, that high burst makes up for a lot of ills at close range and it can help deal with backfield snipers from midfield. The main reason I want a Spitfire is because a) it has never had a model and b) it is one of the best vanilla aggressive LTs we can run. But overall, the mini is fantastic and I'm just going to proxy it as a spitfire anyways. They managed to make the camo poncho look great which allays my fears of square coat syndrome. I will miss the cyber ponytail, but that is pretty firmly an ISS thing now, so I can see them not wanting to muddy the faction and sub-faction aesthetics. Though I will agree, I liked the original camo scheme a lot more (same for the Guilang). But they appear to be going toward a far more unified army paint scheme these days rather than some units bucking the trend.
The Zhanying is great and will be a flexible unit in the field, either cheap filler for Wu Ming links or part of those nasty Hsien Haris links.
But the Guilang... *ugh* the worse loadout for one of our best models. It is a BS11 infiltrating sniper. It has nothing going for it in terms of synergy or utility. I was really hoping for a new combi rifle one since it has the most general utility (and is one of our oldest models). It looks nice, but another Yu Jing sniper mini that will never see the field. The point of the Guilang is being cheap and flexible, that MSR is way to much of a point and SWC sink.
Still probably grabbing it anyways because I'm a Daofei fantatic, but I really wish they hadn't gone with the MSR Guilang.
Red Harvest wrote: We don't know everything that will be in Tunguska. Grenzers, Interventors, this new Bora Grizac are certain. Beyond that, probably the Securitate makes a comeback. And...
Looking at the 2 LE minis, I'm glad the CSU in with the Red Veil box. I like it much better than Joe Dirt, Bounty Hunter.
It's funny you should say that.
We actually have a very good idea what will be in Tunguska.
Spektrs
Securitate
Interventors
Grenzers
Kriza Borac
Hollow Men(We don't really know what these are, just that the name keeps coming up from Bostria/Interruptor)
Naval Zondbots
"Puppets" have been mentioned as well. We don't know what those are.
Edit: Duh. Somehow I forgot the Szalamandra.
We also know that they are going to have Black Hand assets. This was confirmed today; consider the Black Hand Sectorial idea dead.
By we, I meant: Me, Myself, and I Looks like I omitted the Spektrs. The remotes are an obvious include. I've never heard of hollow men or puppets. But then I don't follow Nomad rumors too closely.
Not more Zero-G units? My, those have so much use in game :S
OTOH, more AD zonds, like the meteor, that would be cool.
Well, now to figure out how to get the expansion. I'm thinking GameNerdz again. They did fine by me with the Fat Yuan Yuan. (Miniature Market never even offered it, AFAIK.)
Red Harvest wrote: Not more Zero-G units? My, those have so much use in game :S
OTOH, more AD zonds, like the meteor, that would be cool.
Well, now to figure out how to get the expansion. I'm thinking GameNerdz again. They did fine by me with the Fat Yuan Yuan. (Miniature Market never even offered it, AFAIK.)
Atomic Empire has them up for preorder now for $39.29 each. I'd assume Warstore will do it on July 24th(the start of the preorder period).
But there's probably more, since this is the GenCon release we're talking about.
Puppets immediately bring to my mind humanoid robot troops. Maybe the Nomad equivalent to Aleph's Tacbots. With the new Nomad aesthetics, that has the potential to be something really cool. Since Tunguska is supposed to basically be the tech wing of the Nomads, I can definitely see them having more robot units.
Barzam wrote: Puppets immediately bring to my mind humanoid robot troops. Maybe the Nomad equivalent to Aleph's Tacbots. With the new Nomad aesthetics, that has the potential to be something really cool. Since Tunguska is supposed to basically be the tech wing of the Nomads, I can definitely see them having more robot units.
That or some kind of human that's been hacked and basically been turned into a slave.
The expansion box is pretty disappointing on the Nomad side. Is the third one just a Hellcat with a Combi? So you've got one fairly useless profile that you get in a starter box and ignore and another model that's pretty new and not really in need of a resculpt. I'm super excited for Tunguska in general, but that guy's carrying around a lot of baggage in his box.
Yu Jing
10
ZHÀNYING (Forward Observer) Breaker Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
DÀOFĚI 
GŬILÁNG MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZÚYǑNG MULTI Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 31)
NINJA Tactical Bow / Pistol, 
TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
HSIEN 
Haqqislam
FASID 
GHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
ZHAYEDAN (Marksmanship L2) Breaker Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
KHAWARIJ Rifle + Light Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, 
TUAREG Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
TARIK MANSURI Spitfire, Nanopulser, Grenades / Pistol, 
RAGIK Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, 
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, 
