Dysartes wrote:
Nice design, glad to see a kit with some options, but why the frak is it on a base again.

 Kirasu wrote:
Nice to see flare launchers protect you against bullets and close combat attacks.

???

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
That Ridge runner is possibly my favourite 40k vehicle for some time, cracking stuff.

 Kirasu wrote:
Nice to see flare launchers protect you against bullets and close combat attacks.

???

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Well, this is exactly what I was hoping for. And the fact that I can mount it on a base makes it even better, as I can now go conversion wild for it. Excellent. Top marks.

So many Cult Limo's are going to be made now because of this.

changemod wrote:You know, I’m faintly confused what purpose this vehicle actually serves on the tabletop, but at least it looks nice enough.

Haighus wrote:Awesome!

Looks like it would make a great Arbites patrol car too.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Haighus wrote:Awesome!

Looks like it would make a great Arbites patrol car too.

Don't tempt me! The army is ALMOST done!

 Elbows wrote:
The rail-buggy is a good looking kit. However, I can't help but think GSC is going to be the most eye-wateringly expensive army in the game. An army of expensive single-sprue characters and not-cheap lightweight vehicles and bikers? I genuinely think it will be prohibitively expensive for a lot of people, particularly new gamers, or younger gamers, etc.

Even if they keep the character models at $20 (doubtful), you're looking at $120 just for the character minis, assuming you don't run multiples, etc. The GSC kits are nice, but...an inexpensive army with so many kits is going to be a huge financial pain in the ass.

 zedmeister wrote:
A cult Technical! Love it!

 Red Corsair wrote:
It's basically a FW Tauros Venator the more I think about it.

zamerion wrote:

GunSmith wrote:

Zero hype? Lack of build up? We've been teased for more than six month, we already have had more release than most of the armies of the game, we have another boxed set with exclusive character coming before the Codex itself, got some rule preview a few day earlier, a teaser, a trailer, two conventions that showed us new models: that's seems quite good for an un-hyped codex release.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

GunSmith wrote:

Zero hype? Lack of build up? We've been teased for more than six month, we already have had more release than most of the armies of the game, we have another boxed set with exclusive character coming before the Codex itself, got some rule preview a few day earlier, a teaser, a trailer, two conventions that showed us new models: that's seems quite good for an un-hyped codex release.

We had twice as much info about the actual rules of the orks codex by this point in their release schedule. The amount of actual information and previews they've shown us about the GSC codex itself is Space Wolves-tier.

The models are nice, the rules previews have been anemic. Hopefully the Achilles Ridgerunner is the start of a consistent flow of information.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I wish my IG could have that...Wouldn't you think an Inquisitor could requisition one of those? I just keep picturing Storm Troopers driving in one alongside their Taurox...

drbored wrote:
Ugh, this release is just looking cooler and cooler, but I need to save my money for sisters of battle and chaos...

Voss wrote:

drbored wrote:
Ugh, this release is just looking cooler and cooler, but I need to save my money for sisters of battle and chaos...

Don't worry about it. One won't be till the end of the year and the other probably won't happen.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Guard can't have all the fun.

On a more related note, I really am wondering how much all this new stuff is going to cost.

 fasterthanlight wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:


I'm very obivoulsy not a modeling or painting genius but I think my home-made gunslinger will work just fine for our area games.

Awesome!! Great work.

 Fifty wrote:


Biophagus Preview...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/16/16th-jan-genestealer-cults-preview-the-biophagusgw-homepage-post-1/

Mellon wrote:
Rules preview for the kelermorph. Looks really interesting!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/25/25th-jan-warhammer-40000-new-charactersgw-homepage-post-1/

 Haighus wrote:
The Ridgerunner is suspiciously lacking in GSC symbols- aside from the paintjob and crew, nothing about them suggests GSC specifically. No moulded icons anywhere in the so far released images.

Seems almost intended for conversions

Haighus wrote:The Ridgerunner is suspiciously lacking in GSC symbols- aside from the paintjob and crew, nothing about them suggests GSC specifically. No moulded icons anywhere in the so far released images.

Seems almost intended for conversions

Asmodas wrote:Looks like we will still be making cult ambush rolls, although it’s an open question whether the table will be the same. I wonder if the kellermorph’s ability to add 3 to ambush rolls will apply to infantry units that ambush with him?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Haighus wrote:The Ridgerunner is suspiciously lacking in GSC symbols- aside from the paintjob and crew, nothing about them suggests GSC specifically. No moulded icons anywhere in the so far released images.

Seems almost intended for conversions

Not sure why this is so surprising/exciting...the Goliath is the same way.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Guard can't have all the fun.

On a more related note, I really am wondering how much all this new stuff is going to cost.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Asmodas wrote:Looks like we will still be making cult ambush rolls, although it’s an open question whether the table will be the same. I wonder if the kellermorph’s ability to add 3 to ambush rolls will apply to infantry units that ambush with him?

It says that it is for this model. So I highly doubt it.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I was always a bit skeptical of the whole blip idea. It's a strange mechanic to use with an army that has 200+ models and probably 20 drops with all these characters. That's an insane amount of book keeping.

I would actually be relieved if the blip idea is bunk.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I mean he can't be used at all until the codex because he doesn't have point values.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

This. Most assassins, and/or snipers, are pretty bad. It's why they're not used.

This one lacks the defense of range, so he needs to be more offensive.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
His 40k rules should be in the KT box, so maybe it'll have a point value as well.

Not only that but in their assembly guide booklets, a hidden treasure can be found – their Warhammer 40,000 datasheets and matched play points, meaning that you’ll be able to field these awesome new characters in larger games as well as in Kill Team!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

 Red Corsair wrote:
I was always a bit skeptical of the whole blip idea. It's a strange mechanic to use with an army that has 200+ models and probably 20 drops with all these characters. That's an insane amount of book keeping.

I would actually be relieved if the blip idea is bunk.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did they REALLY need to make the pistols D2? That's kinda absurd.

It's nice to see a character-sniping unit that's capable of killing characters for a change...

In almost one round though? Yeah low rate of fire is obnoxious for things like Vindicares, but even ignoring Characters for a moment the average number of shots will make his points back on anything that's above 10 points basically.

Like most GSC units he dies to a stiff breeze. Presumably he's going to get stuck with Neophyte Hybrids most of the time, so if your opponent wants to kill him then odds are he's going to get deleted in one turn along with his squad.

It won't help that Neophytes aren't really a unit you want in Cult Ambush either.

Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

C4790M wrote:
He won’t have a problem getting into range. His Cult Ambush is massively buffed and GSC have really good transports. A 5++ and (presumably) Unquestioning Loyalty means he can take a beating - drop in 20 Neophytes with him and the enemy has to devote a lot of fire to delete them, whilst trying to fend off the Purestrains on his flank, and the Aberrants coming up the middle

 Asmodas wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
I was always a bit skeptical of the whole blip idea. It's a strange mechanic to use with an army that has 200+ models and probably 20 drops with all these characters. That's an insane amount of book keeping.

I would actually be relieved if the blip idea is bunk.

Ditto. Cult ambush is not that bad right now, it just needs some tweaking. The blip idea sounded like a pain to me. It may work in space hulk, but it sounds to me like something that will just make pregame set up take even longer than it already does.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Obviously GSC are getting a lot of new things, but have there been any rumours on if they are losing anything? Obviously the current army list is very limited, but I would be gutted if they lost access to Leman Russ's and Sentinels.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Is it wrong that I want to invest in Genestealer Cults because they are my favorite thing to imagine my Deathwatch army splattering?

...I might have my own little wars on the floor with sound effects.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

 Haighus wrote:
Nah, I do this all the time I have a few small armies that are basically OpFors for mini scenarios lol

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Nah, I do this all the time I have a few small armies that are basically OpFors for mini scenarios lol

A friend of mine collects them, but now I want some of my own.

 Red Corsair wrote:

I honestly wouln't mind different levels of ambushing costing more or less CP pregame etc. Or at least some mechanic to make it less random. The random nature was fine before the new reserve rules, but now board space is so occupied by turn 2, it gets ridiculous to lose a coin flip on top of that.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How is he getting 24 shots?

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
Disappointing. I’m not sure I even want the kill team box, either. I don’t play Kill Team, don’t need any more acolytes, and already have a set of Ryza pattern ruins. Unless this is really cheap and/or acolytes/morphs turn out to be awesome in the codex but require something random like tons of rock cutters or and hand flamers, I just don’t see it being a great buy. Really hoping they release the kellermorph separately, as I think this one is a pass for me.

Guess I’ll just go back to painting my neophytes for a few more weeks...

I'm in the same boat almost except I have to say that Ryza terrain set with what looks like a complete building looks interesting.
That might be something i'd actually pick up, depending on its pricing.

I'm very obivoulsy not a modeling or painting genius but I think my home-made gunslinger will work just fine for our area games.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Still trying to think of some house rules for these for Necromunda. Orlock are basically a biker gang already and the idea of zooming around the underhive does have it's appeal.

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

 Casbyness wrote:
So, is it just me or are the Genestealer Cultists gradually transforming into the Skaven of 40k? We now have a Deathmaster Sniktch, a Skrolk, Grey Seers...

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

So glad you are here to speak for every one (just ribbing you mate)

Points efficiency is always a thing for any faction. That said, point efficiency isn't just getting points back. That's just the killing side, plenty of things will never kill their cost back, not even close, and are still amazing because of either their durability, or utility.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

So glad you are here to speak for every one (just ribbing you mate)

Points efficiency is always a thing for any faction. That said, point efficiency isn't just getting points back. That's just the killing side, plenty of things will never kill their cost back, not even close, and are still amazing because of either their durability, or utility.

I think he meant that Genestealer Cults are really good at getting in range. Unless GW severely nerfed Cult Ambush in the the codex, this guy won't have any problem dropping in within 12" of whatever he wants.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of ‘getting his points back’, I’d say for this chap it’s highly relevant as a consideration,

Played with a bit cunning, and yes luck, he can podshot enemy synergies by whacking choice characters in short order. That’s mega. But not if he himself costs too much for the risk. For his resilience, something like 150 points just wouldn’t be worth it. Too many points for a risky one-trick Pony. Especially given CA-18 changed up First Blood so both players can benefit. If this bad boy whiffs it for whatever reason, he’s just gonna get a faceload of Dakka and no do-overs. You also gift your opponent at least one VP for very little effort.

 EnTyme wrote:
Well, a lot of it is going to depend on how they've changed Cult Ambush from the index, but the Kelermorph's +3 to the roll is definitely a bonus. Also, he wants to roll a 5, not a 6.

 Fifty wrote:
But we don't even know what you'll need to roll on the cult amuch table in the new codex, and we have to take everything new we are seeing in that context. But we don't know the context... we can't make assumptions...

I've been feeling very calm about the long wait for the codex, but this discussion is making me less calm.

 Red Corsair wrote:


I'll also restate the fact that he still needs to be deployed outside 9" even on a roll of a 6. So many people get this wrong or don't understand the rule. Currently a 6 lets you move after you deploy, that doesn't mean he gets to deploy just over 3" but that he still needs to find a 20" diameter empty section to drop in before he gets to move. A 5 is the same thing only you shoot or advance in place of a move.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it possible to compare what we know of the upcoming characters, and the existing Cult Ambush rules to speculate on the changes?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of ‘getting his points back’, I’d say for this chap it’s highly relevant as a consideration,

Played with a bit cunning, and yes luck, he can podshot enemy synergies by whacking choice characters in short order. That’s mega. But not if he himself costs too much for the risk. For his resilience, something like 150 points just wouldn’t be worth it. Too many points for a risky one-trick Pony. Especially given CA-18 changed up First Blood so both players can benefit. If this bad boy whiffs it for whatever reason, he’s just gonna get a faceload of Dakka and no do-overs. You also gift your opponent at least one VP for very little effort.

I agree, and sure he could pull off a sweet kill on a character, but you also would need to play a player with less cunning or who didn't understand the mechanics. He has a 12" attack, you need to be remarkably careless or lazy to let this guy get to your linch pin support characters. At least early game when it would matter most. This guy seems like he's mostly fun, and at the very least a solid chaf remover. I am not saying he is bad, but the folks claiming he's some hyper efficient character hunter need to lighten up a tad. He is t3 with a 5+ and 4 wounds and 12" guns, guardsmen can beat him down in assault lol. I like him a lot personally, he will make really fun small scale fire fights happen that are entertaining and he isn't terribly hard for your opponent to revenge kill back. I think that's the type of character that adds enjoyment. It's models like smash captains or dawn-eagle shield captains that annoy people by gutting your center piece model and refusing to die.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Spoilering all the relevant photos into one place:

Spoiler:

I'm kind of in love with this thing.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
we have quite a few kits to be released.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Guess the blip marker rumours were true?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/GSCPreview-Jan27-GSCCodexCollectors4dn.jpg

zamerion wrote:
It looks like there will be more news the second week. They are not going to leave a week just for the vehicle, right?

zamerion wrote:
It looks like there will be more news the second week. They are not going to leave a week just for the vehicle, right?

 Overread wrote:

zamerion wrote:
It looks like there will be more news the second week. They are not going to leave a week just for the vehicle, right?

There's at least one or two character units not in this first wave. A two wave release is exactly what I expected it to be based on the variety of kits they've shown off for the game. So two weeks to cover it and then I'll wager we'll see them shift over to AoS for something - possibly the new Skaven VS Flesh Eaters box (as that's the most solid AoS release hint we've got so far).

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Lots of good stuff there. I guess the 2nd week will be the Ridgerunner buggy, Biophagus and Aberrants?

With all these new characters GSC are going to need there own Kill Team expansion

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Reserving judgement on the blips, but I don't feel like I'm a fan of the idea.

Here's hoping they surprise me.

 EnTyme wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Lots of good stuff there. I guess the 2nd week will be the Ridgerunner buggy, Biophagus and Aberrants?

With all these new characters GSC are going to need there own Kill Team expansion

I'm still hoping for Deathwatch: Overkill rules.

 Kirasu wrote:
Genestealer Cult may be the first army with a codex to have more characters than non-character units.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Reserving judgement on the blips, but I don't feel like I'm a fan of the idea.

Here's hoping they surprise me.

 Togusa wrote:
I am interested in this army, have been since Overwatch Killteam came out three years ago. I have a couple of questions though.

A lot of people have been telling me that the only viable way to run this army is to use masses of Genestealers and support units, that Neophytes, Goliaths and Acolytes are not viable even in friendly games.

Is this true?

 luke1705 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Reserving judgement on the blips, but I don't feel like I'm a fan of the idea.

Here's hoping they surprise me.

I had that feeling too but to be honest the more I think about it, the more its growing on me. Thematically, it's one of the coolest things ever. I was just worried about the capacity of such a system to be played competitively. But honestly, I think that there is likely to be a way to do it. Knowing some play testers, I trust them enough to tell GW if the deployment system was just unworkable.


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 Togusa wrote:
I am interested in this army, have been since Overwatch Killteam came out three years ago. I have a couple of questions though.

A lot of people have been telling me that the only viable way to run this army is to use masses of Genestealers and support units, that Neophytes, Goliaths and Acolytes are not viable even in friendly games.

Is this true?

No that is definitely not true. (although it might be for the goliath). Almost everything is viable in a friendly environment. But I've seen acolytes and neophytes get used at some exceedingly competitive events (and do well). So don't let the haters naysay those guys.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Does GW roll a dice to decide what face to put the symbol on? They were doing better about putting the symbol on the 6, but the GSC dice it is on the 1 again.

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Does GW roll a dice to decide what face to put the symbol on? They were doing better about putting the symbol on the 6, but the GSC dice it is on the 1 again.

They explained why they did this literally 7,000 times on their FB page.

Davor wrote:

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Does GW roll a dice to decide what face to put the symbol on? They were doing better about putting the symbol on the 6, but the GSC dice it is on the 1 again.

They explained why they did this literally 7,000 times on their FB page.

Care to explain please? How would I know this if I don't use Facebook much? Also keep day to day and heaven forbid hour to hour so not to miss anything? Wow, that is almost like stalking.

Aeneades wrote:

Davor wrote:

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Does GW roll a dice to decide what face to put the symbol on? They were doing better about putting the symbol on the 6, but the GSC dice it is on the 1 again.

They explained why they did this literally 7,000 times on their FB page.

Care to explain please? How would I know this if I don't use Facebook much? Also keep day to day and heaven forbid hour to hour so not to miss anything? Wow, that is almost like stalking.

I’m sure it was mentioned in this thread a couple of pages back.

New dice have the faction icon on the six. GSC dice are just a reissue of last editions dice which was before the faction icon always on 6 change, which is why it’s on the 1.

It’s a shame they didn’t update the dice to match the new format but I can see why they didn’t given that these dice mouldes / designs are only a couple years old.

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

Timeshadow wrote:
My personal speculation is that you will have to mark where your "ambush points" are with the markers during deployment and the roll allows you to deploy further away/closer to enemy units plus the bouneses of shoot and or move on higher rolls. The only big thing is will it be 1d6 or a 2d6 table and will there be (if it's 1d6) 7+results?

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

 Haighus wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Genestealer Cult may be the first army with a codex to have more characters than non-character units.

Hmm, that may have been Harlequins *goes off to count*

Edit: count done. 3 characters to 4 units (although only three kits). So yup, GSC likely to be the first.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

EDIT: Nvm got it figured out,

25$ for the Characters, 35$ for the Alphus, 50$ for the Jackals, and 55$(?) for the Drill.

Does that seem about right?

terry wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Genestealer Cult may be the first army with a codex to have more characters than non-character units.

Hmm, that may have been Harlequins *goes off to count*

Edit: count done. 3 characters to 4 units (although only three kits). So yup, GSC likely to be the first.

Harlequins have 4 characters: Troup master, shadowseer, death jester and the solitair. So they've got the same out of characters as none characters

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
The sky is blue
The grass is green
HMBC, it’s your queue
About the price to scream

Seriously, dude, it’s like you’re surprised every time

So, the quad bike is in the same kit as regular bikes?
I’m definitely getting that Locus...
Will I be able to field any of those guys (characters, bikes) in killteam?

 Red Corsair wrote:


Has anyone seen first hand how those squig dice roll? They bounce all over lol.

Cult Ambush
This ability is at the very heart of everything it means to field the Genestealer Cults in battle. It represents the culmination of all the cult’s cunning machinations and careful planning that has led them to this battlefield. Cult Ambush gives you all the tools you need to start every battle on the front foot** – if you can maintain the momentum, victory will surely be yours.


The ability takes two forms according to how you choose to set up your units, so let’s take a quick look at each.
Setting Up Underground: During deployment, you can set up Infantry and Bike units with the Cult Ambush ability underground. At the end of any of your Movement phases, some or all of these units can emerge anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9″ from enemy models. The freedom you’ll have to suddenly strike your opponent’s forces in great force from any direction will cause mayhem with their battleplans.


Setting Up in Ambush: Were you wondering what those 28 ‘blip’ counters that come with the codex were for? They are, in fact, Cult Ambush markers designed to help you play horrible mind games with your opponent as you set up!
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Instead of setting up a unit underground or on the battlefield, you can choose to place an ambush marker anywhere within your deployment zone. You can place a marker for each unit you choose to set up an ambush – even Transports and larger Vehicles such as a Cult Leman Russcan be set up in this manner! The crucial detail here is that you don’t need to assign which units are represented by each ambush marker – you can decide that later. There is also a sneaky Stratagem that enables you to place additional ambush markers to further confound your opponent.

If you have the first turn, you reveal all of your ambush markers at the start of your first Movement phase. If your opponent goes first, you instead reveal all of your ambush markers at the end of their first Movement phase, and they cannot move anywhere within 9″ of any ambush markers beforehand.
These markers are revealed one at a time – each time you do so, you select one unit from your army that you set up in ambush, then set up one model from that unit within 1″ of that ambush marker, followed by any other models in the unit. All units set up in this manner must be wholly within your deployment zone – that is, unless you further mess with your opponent by changing the nature of your ambush.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
This seems... very weak compared to the current table, outside of the ability to functionally null-deploy.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
This seems... very weak compared to the current table, outside of the ability to functionally null-deploy.

I actually kind of love it. Ambush markers essentially act as a built-in light infantry screen (since you effectively present your opponent a deep strike distance restriction in their first movement phase) and they give you a bit of flexibility as you can chain your own units out from the marker when you reveal them on your turn before moving.

it's certainly weaker in terms of flat out alpha strike charges, but if you want GSC to be anything other than "the army that just does that and only that and all their other options are kept underpowered because otherwise they'd be super busted" then you need to give some of that up.

I'd much much much rather have neophytes, goliaths, bikers, etc allowed to be usable in exchange for not being able to forcefeed my opponent 60 genestealers in close combat turn 1.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Well, the side effect of this may very well end up being "The most viable option is just hordes of neophytes because melee ambush is now unreliable and unlikely" and I don't know if that playstyle is what people subscribed to, but we'll see.

 Carnikang wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
This seems... very weak compared to the current table, outside of the ability to functionally null-deploy.

I actually kind of love it. Ambush markers essentially act as a built-in light infantry screen (since you effectively present your opponent a deep strike distance restriction in their first movement phase) and they give you a bit of flexibility as you can chain your own units out from the marker when you reveal them on your turn before moving.

it's certainly weaker in terms of flat out alpha strike charges, but if you want GSC to be anything other than "the army that just does that and only that and all their other options are kept underpowered because otherwise they'd be super busted" then you need to give some of that up.

I'd much much much rather have neophytes, goliaths, bikers, etc allowed to be usable in exchange for not being able to forcefeed my opponent 60 genestealers in close combat turn 1.

No one is deepstriking in the first movement phase, barring BA. You reveal your tokens at the end of their first movement, meaning things like, Da Jump and other psychic powers are still going to get their unit 9" away.

I'm hoping we still have a table to roll on, considering the Kellermorph adds to a roll...

 Hulksmash wrote:
Full null-deploy is pretty insane. If it doesn't have a cap on it then you can eliminate and entire turn from your opponent which is huge. Gonna need to see the details but this feels insanely strong.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Seems like a lot of admin to what could've essentially been "Genestealer Cult armies always set up second, irrespective of the die roll" and a potential strat similar to Phantasm, etc..

It's situationally powerful against some stuff like enemy Kraken Stealers or Ynnari Spears, that have to stay away 9" first turn. But most games, it seems, it'll just be "now I flip these things" at the start. The blips don't move or do anything really, as far as I read it.

It's a weird flip as it makes GSC pretty descent at denying opponents with strong 1st turn assaults their thing, while doing essentially nothing against those Guard, Tau, Guilliman, etc.. castles that GSC used to be a descent answer to.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
This seems... very weak compared to the current table, outside of the ability to functionally null-deploy.

 Red Corsair wrote:


Not sure how folks are thinking Da Jump or grey knights get around it either, sure they teleport in the psychic phase, but they still end up over 9" away. The only things that really hard counter it that I can tell are soul burst, quicken and warp time and hive commander.

It seems really fun and very simple which I like.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Well, the side effect of this may very well end up being "The most viable option is just hordes of neophytes because melee ambush is now unreliable and unlikely" and I don't know if that playstyle is what people subscribed to, but we'll see.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:


Not sure how folks are thinking Da Jump or grey knights get around it either, sure they teleport in the psychic phase, but they still end up over 9" away. The only things that really hard counter it that I can tell are soul burst, quicken and warp time and hive commander.

It seems really fun and very simple which I like.

Sure. Da Jump (also Hive Commander), etc.. happen after the GSC revealed all their units. Thus they are not any worse off than they would be against any other opponent. Only 1st turn movement "re-deploy" is really affected, which is mostly DMC, the Blood Angels re-deploy and perhaps Tide of Traitors/Green Tide/Black Cornucopia, should you opt to use these 1st turn on a healthy unit just to re-deploy.

 Red Corsair wrote:


No they aren't, those units would still need to remain over 9" away. Not really seeing your point, maybe we are talking past one another though.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I agree this is much, much more powerful defensively, but GSC don't "feel" like a defensive army.

As others have noted, it obviously helps them turn 1 with some clever positioning and a bit of defense, and we'll see if there is still an "Ambush Table" (based only off of the Kellermorph wording) or not, but I feel we don't have the full picture just yet.

Im hopeful, I'm just not jumping out of my chair, which is likely the best result for balance's sake.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:


No they aren't, those units would still need to remain over 9" away. Not really seeing your point, maybe we are talking past one another though.

They would. But they also would need to remain over 9" away against a Tau army. The blips don't change anything. There is no advantage or disadvantage. By the time they cast the spell, they would know which GSC unit is where, the blips would've been flipped already, and get to 9" of the intended target. If they want to get within 9 of, say, the Leman Russ, that Leman Russ is already on the board in the psychic phase.No deception going on anymore. The "this blip was nothing"-trick wouldn't work, because you have to do it before the psychic phase even starts.

A Kraken Genestealer unit or Ynnari Spear or even a Land Strider Gallant on a good deployment unit could easily get into 9" of an enemy in their movement phase, but cannot against the Genestealer blips. And even if the blips are no longer there on the potential second movement through Hive Commander/Quicken/Etc.. the GSC player can reveal his units as to make the first movement of those units matter as little as possible. So there is value to the GSC against those. Maybe they moved within 9" of a blip, only to have it be a decoy.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
An important thing to note is that "Perfect Ambush" only works for units, well, "In Ambush" rather than "Underground", which is a convenient level of trickery, I suppose.

However, that's also confusing, because you reveal all of the "In Ambush" units... before you could deep strike them.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
An important thing to note is that "Perfect Ambush" only works for units, well, "In Ambush" rather than "Underground", which is a convenient level of trickery, I suppose.

However, that's also confusing, because you reveal all of the "In Ambush" units... before you could deep strike them.

Kdash wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How does this new system work with the Kelermorphs +3 bonus?

 Carnikang wrote:

Perfect ambush says when you set up a unit that has the Cult Ambush rule.

Not whether it is in Ambush or Underground.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How does this new system work with the Kelermorphs +3 bonus?

The Warhammer FB Page said it was rules so you could play with them right away, and will have "updated rules" in the codex.

 Carnikang wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How does this new system work with the Kelermorphs +3 bonus?

The Warhammer FB Page said it was rules so you could play with them right away, and will have "updated rules" in the codex.

Which means no table really... Don't know if I'm disappointed or if I'm hopefully that the stratagems will help with that little adjustment.

The Perfect Ambush seems appropriately costed for a unit that has the ability to shoot in the enemies shooting phase (since you can use it when it's revealed) and when it arrives from Underground. Maybe there will be another that is named after the old Roll of a 6 that allows full movement?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Very well may. I clearly haven't shown the best reading comprehension today, even for a Monday.

Edit: Yep. Wrong. Just gonna go ahead and let myself be less excited/confused before commenting further, lol

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How does this new system work with the Kelermorphs +3 bonus?

The Warhammer FB Page said it was rules so you could play with them right away, and will have "updated rules" in the codex.

Which means no table really... Don't know if I'm disappointed or if I'm hopefully that the stratagems will help with that little adjustment.

The Perfect Ambush seems appropriately costed for a unit that has the ability to shoot in the enemies shooting phase (since you can use it when it's revealed) and when it arrives from Underground. Maybe there will be another that is named after the old Roll of a 6 that allows full movement?

Makes me think we're going to be a more CP dependant army than even Knights are, but we'll actually have the means to support them via brigades/battalions, so that's something.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How does this new system work with the Kelermorphs +3 bonus?

The Warhammer FB Page said it was rules so you could play with them right away, and will have "updated rules" in the codex.

Which means no table really... Don't know if I'm disappointed or if I'm hopefully that the stratagems will help with that little adjustment.

The Perfect Ambush seems appropriately costed for a unit that has the ability to shoot in the enemies shooting phase (since you can use it when it's revealed) and when it arrives from Underground. Maybe there will be another that is named after the old Roll of a 6 that allows full movement?

Makes me think we're going to be a more CP dependant army than even Knights are, but we'll actually have the means to support them via brigades/battalions, so that's something.

Kdash wrote:
Just had a thought......

If the only restriction on deploying via a marker, is to have 1 model within 1" of it... How far across the table can a blob of genestealers realistically conga line?

Beyond that, not really that bothered by the new blip system. Such, it's a deployment mind game, but, any mobile, heavy firepower army, is going to be just fine against this as they'll be able to re-position in order to always target something straight away.

 dan2026 wrote:
I feel like I'm not sure how Cult Ambush actually helps GS Cults get into combat anymore. Considering a huge portion of the army is combat focused this seems odd.

 Haighus wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
I feel like I'm not sure how Cult Ambush actually helps GS Cults get into combat anymore. Considering a huge portion of the army is combat focused this seems odd.

By using the "deploy underground" option we don't know much about at present? At worse, this will function like deepstrike for other armies, with 9" charges and a need for strategems to get more reliable charges.

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

If the drilly thing is right that could mean cheap IG Termites, and you get a free terrain platform to go with it!

 dan2026 wrote:
I feel like I'm not sure how Cult Ambush actually helps GS Cults get into combat anymore. Considering a huge portion of the army is combat focused this seems odd.

alphaecho wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Each character is 20 euros

jackal alphus 30
Atalan jackals 42

Sector mechanicus tectonic fragdrill 45

If the drilly thing is right that could mean cheap IG Termites, and you get a free terrain platform to go with it!

I'm more than happy with the Mantic Tunnellers to act as cheap Termites but that drill does look mighty fine.

Spoiler:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmm.

Hoping we retain the ability to ‘adopt’ units from IG, as we can in the index. I’ve got three Manticores I want to use!

the_scotsman wrote:
I would place a bet with pretty much any odds that either the Primus or the new planner dude with the map will have some kind of ability as standard that gives you more reliable charges than 9" on 2d6 out of deep strike.

Will it be as good as the current 6 result? I'm guessing not. Will it come with the bonus of avoiding the current "womp womp" 1 result on the table as it exists now? Yes.

Bluflash wrote:
@Mad Doc Grotsnik:

Since we have to flip on Turn 1 either way, I'm not sure the blips will do much to effect how an opponent screens his characters.

Being able to guarantee him a 9" drop with a 12" gun anywhere on the table should motivate opponent's to be a bit more deliberate in their screening, doubly so with the potential assassain value of the Jackal Alphus and the Sanctus in concert.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Bluflash wrote:
@Mad Doc Grotsnik:

Since we have to flip on Turn 1 either way, I'm not sure the blips will do much to effect how an opponent screens his characters.

Being able to guarantee him a 9" drop with a 12" gun anywhere on the table should motivate opponent's to be a bit more deliberate in their screening, doubly so with the potential assassain value of the Jackal Alphus and the Sanctus in concert.

Anything that makes my opponent feel more restricted in his deployment and movement works for me.

And, curiously, if we go second we can seemingly avoid quite a bit of first 1st turn damage? Even though we pop up at the end of the movement phase, it gives us at least the opportunity to provide the foe with poor targets?

Bluflash wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Bluflash wrote:
@Mad Doc Grotsnik:

Since we have to flip on Turn 1 either way, I'm not sure the blips will do much to effect how an opponent screens his characters.

Being able to guarantee him a 9" drop with a 12" gun anywhere on the table should motivate opponent's to be a bit more deliberate in their screening, doubly so with the potential assassain value of the Jackal Alphus and the Sanctus in concert.

Anything that makes my opponent feel more restricted in his deployment and movement works for me.

And, curiously, if we go second we can seemingly avoid quite a bit of first 1st turn damage? Even though we pop up at the end of the movement phase, it gives us at least the opportunity to provide the foe with poor targets?

Yes, I definitely think so.
Getting decoy blips on the front deployment line plus some back a bit will have real utility.

We can also play some fun deployment games with our vehicles that don't want to move. With a Leman Russ, for example, place a blip at the corner of some LOS terrain. If we go first, drop the tank in a position where it will have clear LOS & Range, if we go second, deploy back behind the LOS terrain denying the opponent the shot.

As the day has gone by, I've reconsidered the blip system. While it's definately a power cut, I think it leans us more towards playing crafty and using tricks, rather than just Cult Ambush hammer squads.

zamerion wrote:
So, can we ensure that there are no more new models?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

zamerion wrote:
So, can we ensure that there are no more new models?

There're still the Aberrants and Professor Membrane. Maybe a bunch of Familiars, if the 'baby Stealer' rumour was true.

 dracpanzer wrote:


Will the stratagem actually allow GSC to bypass the half units/points off the table for game start rule?.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
perhaps Tide of Traitors/Green Tide/Black Cornucopia, should you opt to use these 1st turn on a healthy unit just to re-deploy.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Bluflash wrote:
Looks like no rules or unit info today, just a lore page.
Rather annoying, hopefully I'm reading that wrong.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure than other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

zamerion wrote:

GunSmith wrote:
Cannot give away my "source", but it seems like there is at least another transport for the Cult, a flying one, called the Gravopter Duneskimmer.

No more details, sadly, but the origin of the "intel" seems kinda reliable. Pretty sure that other people will confirm this before sathurday. I really hope this turn to be true.

Other vehicle? :(

No new infantry?

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I reallllly wamt that to be true but the word 'Gravopter' makes me think it's not real.

Itds be nice if it was though but i wouldnt expect it

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I mean, I'll take a plane if that's an option, but I have a hard time believing it.

GunSmith wrote:
Gravopter Duneskimmer.

 Causalis wrote:
Got my Kill Team Box with the Gunslinger in it today. Can confirm that he has no other special rules etc. than what was previewed on the WHC site.

But some of the weapons for the Acolytes and Metamorphs changed!

-Hand Flamers are D6 shots now (no surprise there)
-Rock Saw stayed the same (no -1 to-hit)
-Rock Cutter does Damage D3 now
-Drill stayed the same

-No stat changes to Metamorphs
-Metamorph Talon now also adds an additional attack. Still no AP.
-The claw is still S+2 but now AP-1. Still only does 1 damage sadly...

 luke1705 wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Personally I could see GW saying that the blip and underground system is a “fix” to not being able to cult ambush turn 1. Of course, they easy fix would be to allow them to cult ambush on turn 1

But the “any of your movement phase” doesn’t override the beta rule. The codex would have to have a more explicit rule that overrides it. Of course, it’s possible that the codex will have a rule that allows turn 1 deep strike, but that line doesn’t do it. That’s literally the same line that regular deep strike says.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
My understanding was that cult ambush can be used turn one. The community site preview specifically says 'at the start of any of your movement phases'. Plus the faq document specifically acknowledged the impact the beta rule on deepstriking would have on GSC and said this would be addressed in the codex. To say this then, in the codex, leave it subject to the very restriction you said earlier you would address doesn't make sense?

Personally I could see GW saying that the blip and underground system is a “fix” to not being able to cult ambush turn 1. Of course, they easy fix would be to allow them to cult ambush on turn 1

But the “any of your movement phase” doesn’t override the beta rule. The codex would have to have a more explicit rule that overrides it. Of course, it’s possible that the codex will have a rule that allows turn 1 deep strike, but that line doesn’t do it. That’s literally the same line that regular deep strike says.

This is another reason I'm on the fence about picking up the new GSC releases to fill out my army.
Blips and the FAQ changes to stuff coming on table have a good chance of being an argument from the first time these guys hit the table with the new book.

Oh, god. You're not wrong, and the motif is similar enough to the Ridgerunner that I can believe it as possible