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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/obama-alaska-denali-climate-change/
"the 20,320-foot peak has long been known locally as Denali, its name in the indigenous Athabascan language....The national park that surrounds the mountain was named Denali in 1980, but the peak itself is still listed in official federal documents as McKinley. Past attempts to make the change were blocked by lawmakers from McKinley's home state of Ohio. Political leaders across Alaska, including both U.S. senators and the governor, backed the name change."
I am honestly at a loss for words here.
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Post by: streamdragon
I have no problems with this.
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Post by: motyak
No different from Ayer's Rock changing to Uluru years ago. If they had support from across the state, shouldn't they be allowed to change the name of their mountain, no matter if Ohio is kicking up a stink? I mean if Ohio was renaming something that was named for an Alaskan should they have to stop because Alaska complained, if there was support from Senators and the Governor (the assumption is made that they represent the people alright)?
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Post by: Steve steveson
If Obama gets agreement and support from the two republican Senators and the non partisan (with Republican leanings) govern I can't see how this is an issue at all. Alaska can do what they want with their mountain.
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Post by: Xenomancers
Bothers me - was my favorite mountain when I was a kid. Now this clown of a president changes it's name? It's been that way for over 100 years. If locals want to call it it's indigenous name that's fine. It's a spit in the face to our 25th president who was assassinated in office.
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Post by: -Shrike-
What's the problem here?
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Post by: Chongara
 Xenomancers wrote:
Bothers me - was my favorite mountain when I was a kid. Now this clown of a president changes it's name? It's been that way for over 100 years. If locals want to call it it's indigenous name that's fine. It's a spit in the face to our 25th president who was assassinated in office.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't face anymore it's just bones. Even if you wanted to spit on the bones you'd have to like dig them up and stuff.
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Post by: -Shrike-
Xenomancers wrote:
Bothers me - was my favorite mountain when I was a kid. Now this clown of a president changes it's name? It's been that way for over 100 years. If locals want to call it it's indigenous name that's fine. It's a spit in the face to our 25th president who was assassinated in office.
And it's still your favourite mountain, it's still got the name the locals gave it a long time ago, and quite frankly this all seems to be an excuse to blame Obama for something.
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Post by: Frazzled
but can you see Russia from there?
if the state wants to do it, its their call.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Agree completely.
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Post by: motyak
It really seems like it's just Obama okaying something the state wants that he technically has to because it has to be the feds who okay the change. So states rights people should love it right?
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Post by: Relapse
 motyak wrote:
It really seems like it's just Obama okaying something the state wants that he technically has to because it has to be the feds who okay the change. So states rights people should love it right?
I have no issue with this since it's something Alaska has wanted since 1975. I'm surprised it took this long to do it.
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Post by: Ouze
b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
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Post by: Polonius
I'm glad to see this is being treated with the level of discourse it deserves...
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/08/31/ralph-regula-denali-mckinley-obama.html
Obama “thinks he is a dictator and he can change the law,” said former Rep. Ralph Regula, who retired in 2008 after serving 18 years. “The law says it’s Mount McKinley, and he can’t change a law by a flick of the pen. You want to change the Ohio River? You want to go around the country and start changing the names of these places because it is politically expedient?”
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Post by: Xenomancers
 Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
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Post by: Polonius
Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
does it change your mind that the mountain wasn't originally named in honor of him?
It was named McKinley after he received the nomination for president, by a gold miner who favored the gold standard championed by McKinely, as opposed to the Silver Standard platform of William Jennings Bryan.
You can also argue that it's a bit rude to rename a mountain that had a name for centuries. It's not like Obama is calling it Barack's Rock or something, he's restoring the original name.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
McKinley's from Ohio.
Why did we name a mountain in Alaska after him?
Ohio can rename one of their landmarks to McKinley if it's such a big friggin' deal.
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Post by: gorgon
I expect that this will explode once the good folks of FRUMP* get wind of it.
You just don't insult our 37th-greatest President and get away with it.
*FRiends and Upholders of McKinley, our President.
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Post by: Xenomancers
 Polonius wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
does it change your mind that the mountain wasn't originally named in honor of him?
It was named McKinley after he received the nomination for president, by a gold miner who favored the gold standard championed by McKinely, as opposed to the Silver Standard platform of William Jennings Bryan.
You can also argue that it's a bit rude to rename a mountain that had a name for centuries. It's not like Obama is calling it Barack's Rock or something, he's restoring the original name.
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
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Post by: reds8n
As an outsider, it's not Obama who is making people in the USA look bad in this situation.
Sure is lucky that your respective houses have passed so many jobs bills, fixed your economy, medical services, the situation in the Middle East etc etc so effectively that they can waste time by strutting around commenting on things like this.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Or maybe it's that we really care about our heratige and want to to be named what it was originally?
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Post by: -Shrike-
Xenomancers wrote: Polonius wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
does it change your mind that the mountain wasn't originally named in honor of him?
It was named McKinley after he received the nomination for president, by a gold miner who favored the gold standard championed by McKinely, as opposed to the Silver Standard platform of William Jennings Bryan.
You can also argue that it's a bit rude to rename a mountain that had a name for centuries. It's not like Obama is calling it Barack's Rock or something, he's restoring the original name.
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
Yeah, it certainly sends that message that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage when you rename a mountain that's had the same name for centuries!
...oh, you're talking about Obama restoring the original name. Never mind.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Uh, don't care about our heritage? What about the heritage established by the people who have lived in the shadow of the mountain for centuries? What about their heritage?
And, let's face it, I'm sure quite a lot of Americans didn't even know the mountain was named after a president until they heard/read about this now.
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Post by: Ouze
Presumably as soon as this gets milked on AM radio and Daily Breit Limbaugh until the cow is dry, the right wing can go back to their lobbying efforts to stick Reagan's name on every airport, post office, outhouse, and loose dime in sight.
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Post by: curran12
The phrase "making a mountain out of a molehill" has never seemed more apt at any outrage over this. That said, this thread has given me the word 'poutrage' which I will happily use henceforth.
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Post by: MWHistorian
There are very few things that Obama does that I agree with. This is one of those few.
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Post by: Xenomancers
 Tannhauser42 wrote:Uh, don't care about our heritage? What about the heritage established by the people who have lived in the shadow of the mountain for centuries? What about their heritage?
And, let's face it, I'm sure quite a lot of Americans didn't even know the mountain was named after a president until they heard/read about this now.
I betcha most Americans knew what and where Mt. McKinley was even if they didn't know who he was. Oh well - it seems I'm the only one here has a problem with this.
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Post by: Ouze
I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/mnt-mckinley.htm
Not quite the Gettysburg address, but an army on it's stomach etc etc
Ouze wrote:I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
1, Lonely.
2. Candy Rock
3. Gregor Clegane
easy !
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Post by: Snoopdeville3
You really have nothing more going on in life to worry about the President changing the name of a mountain..... ?
Who cares...
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Post by: Strombones
Polonius wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
It's not like Obama is calling it Barack's Rock
LOL. I vote Barack's Rock!
Who cares what Alaskans want to name their own mountains? Disgrace? Outrageous? Hyperbole?
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Post by: reds8n
It's lucky "Glee"has finished or there's no telling what monstrous deed might follow next !
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Post by: streamdragon
I don't know why I find this so hilarious, but I do.
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Post by: Ghazkuul
Ouze wrote:I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
Everest, Mitchell, K2, Killamanjaro(murdered that name), barai Ghar (afghanistan) then of course my home state of New Hampshire has dozens of mountains and most are historic names of presidents such as Mount's Washington, adams, jefferson, Sam Adams, Quincy Adams, Abigail Adams etc etc. So either I am an Above average American or you seriously underestimate the average US citizen.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
It's official, we need to find a bolder or something we can name after him. 
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Post by: WrentheFaceless
Wow really? This this thread is trying way too hard
Surprised the OP didnt add a "Thanks Obama" at the end of their post as well
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Post by: Ouze
In a country where 6 out of 10 people can't name the 3 branches of government, that hardly seems possible.
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Post by: Ghazkuul
Ouze wrote:
In a country where 6 out of 10 people can't name the 3 branches of government, that hardly seems possible.
Maybe the crowd I hung around with were above average then, but I can't think of a single person I know who couldn't name all 3 branches of the Government. Granted most of us have or are working for one of those three.
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Post by: streamdragon
Xenomancers wrote: Polonius wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
does it change your mind that the mountain wasn't originally named in honor of him?
It was named McKinley after he received the nomination for president, by a gold miner who favored the gold standard championed by McKinely, as opposed to the Silver Standard platform of William Jennings Bryan.
You can also argue that it's a bit rude to rename a mountain that had a name for centuries. It's not like Obama is calling it Barack's Rock or something, he's restoring the original name.
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
Uh, wouldn't restoring the name to that used by a people we have senselessly marginalized and abused by "[caring] for it's [sic] own heritage"?
This is not an issue. The fact that a bunch of ding dongs from Ohio had any say in something going on in Alaska is beyond ludicrous. There's already plenty of crap named after a "who?" President who even the curator of the museum dedicated to him admits is " not one of the best presidents, but certainly not one of the worst".
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
 Ghazkuul wrote: Ouze wrote: In a country where 6 out of 10 people can't name the 3 branches of government, that hardly seems possible.
Maybe the crowd I hung around with were above average then, but I can't think of a single person I know who couldn't name all 3 branches of the Government. Granted most of us have or are working for one of those three.
Possibly a reason. I, myself, can name dozens of mountain, but that's probably because I hike up a lot of them.
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Post by: Polonius
 Strombones wrote:Who cares what Alaskans want to name their own mountains? Disgrace? Outrageous? Hyperbole?
It is, in fact, not their own mountain. It's federal land, and therefore the nation's mountain.
For me, it was named McKinley for fairly dopey reasons, and unlike some indigenous names, Denali sounds really cool. Also, the fact that the only politicians that care are Alaskans and Ohioans, and I think you go with the original, cool name.
Alaska also has a large and active native population compared to most states. It's not like this name is lost to the ages, there are still people that speak the language the name comes from.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Ouze wrote:I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
Pfft, easy. I'm not even from America, and I can think of Thunder, Space and Splash. That's just from Florida. 
Sure he can. That's how laws work.
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Post by: Ouze
Perhaps the residents of Ohio can petition General Motors. I saw The Untouchables, I know what happens next.
 Automatically Appended Next Post:  AndrewGPaul wrote: Ouze wrote:I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
Pfft, easy. I'm not even from America, and I can think of Thunder, Space and Splash. That's just from Florida.
I came up with Magic, That One From Alive, and That One From Cliffhanger.
I'm pretty sure there was a mountain in the movie K2 but I don't know what it was called.
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Post by: Ghazkuul
AndrewGPaul wrote: Ouze wrote:I suspect the average American could not name more than 3 mountains, total.
Pfft, easy. I'm not even from America, and I can think of Thunder, Space and Splash. That's just from Florida.
Sure he can. That's how laws work.
you sir get an exalt! 
Most American's don't care about geography or history because realistically it won't ever benefit them. So I can understand them not knowing much, but I mean if you live in New England you know at least a half dozen mountain names because you drive by them, over them or near them on a regular basis
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Post by: curran12
I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Xenomancers wrote:
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
Umm, no, not everything around us is renamed.... In Oregon, there's the Willamette River, which is a Native American word. There's the Allegheny river as well. In Washington, we have a number of towns, rivers, lakes and mountains that still have their original native names, by and large.
Either way, I think you're taking this just a bit too seriously. Afterall, it's not like the President is signing a law that has renamed anything after himself
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Post by: Frazzled
motyak wrote:
It really seems like it's just Obama okaying something the state wants that he technically has to because it has to be the feds who okay the change. So states rights people should love it right?
Yes actually. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
Here you go:
Obama is making Canadian poutain?
Thanks Obama!
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Xenomancers wrote:
Bothers me - was my favorite mountain when I was a kid. Now this clown of a president changes it's name? It's been that way for over 100 years. If locals want to call it it's indigenous name that's fine. It's a spit in the face to our 25th president who was assassinated in office.
100 years. Ha! The Athabascan Indians and the rest of them have been calling it Denali for a good deal longer.
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Post by: Strombones
Polonius wrote: Strombones wrote:Who cares what Alaskans want to name their own mountains? Disgrace? Outrageous? Hyperbole?
It is, in fact, not their own mountain. It's federal land, and therefore the nation's mountain.
So its IS Barack's Rock!!!!!
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Post by: Smacks
Xenomancers wrote:part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
I don't think anyone considers the country that spent 9 trillion dollars on nuclear weapons "weak". And Americans are probably the most annoyingly patriotic people in the universe. We're all pretty fed up of hearing about how much you love 'Murica and Freedom(™), and thinking you saved us all. There is really zero danger of anyone thinking that you don't care about your heritage.
It was actually kind of nice to see some lip-service being paid to indigenous heritage. Preserving some of America's indigenous culture seems like the least you guys could do, given how most of it was wiped out. It made you look slightly magnanimous to the rest of the world, for about 10 seconds, until the republicans stepped-in to do the work of Satan once again.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I, myself, can name dozens of mountain, but that's probably because I hike up a lot of them.
I know that I can as well, even though I don't actually hike but then again, I love history, and geography, in some senses is merely an extension of that. (as in, it really does help to have some basic understanding of geography and where things are located to understand the breadth and scope of certain events)
Let's see there's Shasta, Rainier, Hood, Pike's Peak, Alp D'Huez, Zugspitz, Matterhorn, the 3 Sisters, Mt. Jefferson (Oregon), Mt. Washington (Oregon)..... Obviously Everest Mt. Kilauea in Hawaii...
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Post by: d-usa
Xenomancers wrote: Ouze wrote:b-b-b-but how we will have an Obama poutrage thread if we look at the facts?
I read the article. I know it has Alaskan support and it has for a long time. It still disgraces an American who died serving our country. It's even more disgraceful that it is a USA president that is pushing it through.
Maybe someone can rename a hill somewhere that was actually visited by the president instead of a mountain in a state that he never even set foot in?
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Post by: Kanluwen
 curran12 wrote:I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.
WHAT?! HE ATE A SANDWICH?!
JESUS CHRIST OBAMA, FIX THE ECONOMY BEFORE YOU HAVE A SANDWICH!
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Post by: Alfndrate
Ghazkuul wrote: Ouze wrote:
In a country where 6 out of 10 people can't name the 3 branches of government, that hardly seems possible.
Maybe the crowd I hung around with were above average then, but I can't think of a single person I know who couldn't name all 3 branches of the Government. Granted most of us have or are working for one of those three.
The legislative, the executive, and the Santa Maria?
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Post by: d-usa
 Kanluwen wrote: curran12 wrote:I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.
WHAT?! HE ATE A SANDWICH?!
JESUS CHRIST OBAMA, FIX THE ECONOMY BEFORE YOU HAVE A SANDWICH!
It was probably a Cuban sandwich as well, what a communist.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
 d-usa wrote: Kanluwen wrote: curran12 wrote:I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.
WHAT?! HE ATE A SANDWICH?!
JESUS CHRIST OBAMA, FIX THE ECONOMY BEFORE YOU HAVE A SANDWICH!
It was probably a Cuban sandwich as well, what a communist.
I don't know what kind it was, but it wasn't made by Michelle
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Post by: d-usa
Ghazkuul wrote: Ouze wrote:
In a country where 6 out of 10 people can't name the 3 branches of government, that hardly seems possible.
Maybe the crowd I hung around with were above average then, but I can't think of a single person I know who couldn't name all 3 branches of the Government. Granted most of us have or are working for one of those three.
I work with a lady who both works for the Department of Veterans Affairs and also is in the National Guard, and also considers herself a well educated political active person.
She once spend 30 minutes trying to convince me that the DVA is part of the DOD and when I tried to explain to her that the DVA and the DOD are both cabinet level agencies of the executive branch she argued with me and said that we are part of the 4th branch of the government called the administrative branch. 
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Post by: Sienisoturi
Having had a quick read about the subject there doesn't seem to be any special reason for the mountain to be named McKinley, but neither is there any reason to name it Denali as things might have multiple names depending on the language, ie. it can be McKinley in English but Denali in native language.
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Post by: d-usa
As far as the actual "Obama is singlehandedly deciding to change the name" we should keep in mind the following:
1) The mountain is in Alaska and Alaska changed the name to Denali a long time ago.
2) Quite a while ago congress passed a bill declaring the national park around the mountain as Denali National Park with the compromise that the mountain will keep the current name.
3) The same bill also included a provision that no bill can be introduced to change the name as long as there is already a bill introduced to keep the name.
4) A certain senator from Ohio made sure to introduce that bill every session.
So if we want to bitch about a single person deciding what the name of a mountain should be we should probably look towards Ohio.
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Post by: curran12
B-b-b-but OBERMA?
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Post by: whembly
Xenomancers wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/obama-alaska-denali-climate-change/
"the 20,320-foot peak has long been known locally as Denali, its name in the indigenous Athabascan language....The national park that surrounds the mountain was named Denali in 1980, but the peak itself is still listed in official federal documents as McKinley. Past attempts to make the change were blocked by lawmakers from McKinley's home state of Ohio. Political leaders across Alaska, including both U.S. senators and the governor, backed the name change."
I am honestly at a loss for words here.
Meh.
I've visited Alaska numerous times ( pa lived there). It's always been "Mt. Denali". You're even corrected if you said "Mt. McKinely".
Quick... someone finds the deepest natural hole... and call it "The Obama Hole™" for all his trillion $ spents.
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Post by: Jihadin
Alaska gives cash incentives to be a legal resident there. I live in WA. You all live in mainland USA. Who cares. Doesn't effect any of us and we know damn well the funds to change every official government document to the new name going to be a nice LONG process.
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Post by: Ahtman
Hasn't anyone considered poor McDonald's? They have a Big Mac at the airport that uses quarter pound meet instead of the children's throwing discs it normally comes with called the Big McKinley. Now they will have to change a plastic sheet or something, those unfortunate bastards.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Slippery slope something something.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Well it is if the snow's melting!
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Post by: Ouze
Bonus points for calling slippery slope when discussing a literally slippery slope.
This is one of the better threads in the last few weeks.
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Post by: Ahtman
It seems Pres. Obama didn't really rename the mountain but that Alaska reinstated the name it originally had, so isn't the title of the thread incredibly wrong?
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Post by: Gitkikka
What? He was able to change it, and didn't call it 'Merica Mountain (of Freedom)?
Thanks, Obama.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
 Ahtman wrote:It seems Pres. Obama didn't really rename the mountain but that Alaska reinstated the name it originally had, so isn't the title of the thread incredibly wrong?
It's about as factual as your usual Fox News article Also... who doesn't love a good opportunity to bash Obama (even if we have to create the opportunity out of thin air)
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Post by: streamdragon
Ahtman wrote:It seems Pres. Obama didn't really rename the mountain but that Alaska reinstated the name it originally had, so isn't the title of the thread incredibly wrong?
Well, to be official it has to go through the Department of the Interior, which handles the National Park Service.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Ouze wrote:Bonus points for calling slippery slope when discussing a literally slippery slope.
This is one of the better threads in the last few weeks.
Obama, eroding a nations heritage like global warming is eroding the ice caps......
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Post by: conker249
Being from Alaska, It has always been Denali for me, Always will be.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
 conker249 wrote:Being from Alaska, It has always been Denali for me, Always will be.
So, Obama actually fixed the name of the mountain? Seems like a good action to me!
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Baracks Rock. A fitting monument for the greatest president the US has ever had.
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Post by: TheCustomLime
Is this really such a big deal? It's the state wanting to rename a mountain and the president okaying it. Would the outrage be there if Bush or Clinton did this?
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Post by: SilverMK2
 Mr. Burning wrote:Baracks Rock. A fitting monument for the greatest president the US has ever had.
He doesn't have the stones
I think the new old name is a much better statement of heritage and culture than naming it after some dude no one really knows or cares about just because he happened to have been president that one time and some other dude wanted to politically campaign for the gold standard.
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Post by: kronk
 Frazzled wrote:but can you see Russia from there? if the state wants to do it, its their call.
But States Rights! *Dude, the state of Alaska wanted the change* Oh. Who is complaining? *Ohio* feth Ohio! 
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Post by: gorgon
Ahtman wrote:Hasn't anyone considered poor McDonald's? They have a Big Mac at the airport that uses quarter pound meet instead of the children's throwing discs it normally comes with called the Big McKinley. Now they will have to change a plastic sheet or something, those unfortunate bastards.
Yep. Another business-unfriendly move by this administration. VERY business-unfriendly.
I can't help but think of Superman III, when the evil Superman pushed the Leaning Tower of Pisa fully upright, forcing an honest shopkeeper trying to make a lira or two to destroy his existing stock of tower replicas. I think that's now a Harvard MBA case study. Or something.
Denali. DEN- AL-I. Sounds foreign, not American like McKinley. Eww. Wake up sheeples!
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Post by: d-usa
People need to stop being in Denali about what an overreach of executive power this truly represents.
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Post by: kronk
Are we done making a mountain out of this mole hill?
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Post by: timetowaste85
So the people who live in the area WANT the name changed to Denali...it was previously named after McKinnley who is from Ohio...I say good on Obama.
As I've expressed my opinion in the currency thread, I'm ALL about honoring famous people in our history. But...this seems like an odd honorific for McKinnley, and the local voices are being heard about what they want. I think it's a good move by Obama.
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 timetowaste85 wrote:So the people who live in the area WANT the name changed to Denali...it was previously named after McKinnley who is from Ohio...I say good on Obama.
As I've expressed my opinion in the currency thread, I'm ALL about honoring famous people in our history. But...this seems like an odd honorific for McKinnley, and the local voices are being heard about what they want. I think it's a good move by Obama.
Unless the new name is the name of a woman or something...
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Post by: Xenomancers
conker249 wrote:Being from Alaska, It has always been Denali for me, Always will be.
So....nothing has changed for you really.
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Post by: kronk
Barak Obama doesn't care about Ohio Presidents!
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Post by: gorgon
He's all jealous and stuff that McKinley is our nation's 37th-best President, while Obama himself is like 80-something- th. If that.
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Post by: Psienesis
Mr. Burning wrote:Baracks Rock. A fitting monument for the greatest president the US has ever had.
This reminds me of the MMO Tera, which has a PC raced called the Baraka, who are men made of animate stone, akin to Earth Elementals.
On launch day, there was a "Baraka Obama".
End of line.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
 Psienesis wrote: Mr. Burning wrote:Baracks Rock. A fitting monument for the greatest president the US has ever had.
This reminds me of the MMO Tera, which has a PC raced called the Baraka, who are men made of animate stone, akin to Earth Elementals.
On launch day, there was a "Baraka Obama".
End of line.
I played EQ2. Once on riding through the Qeynos harbor zone, I saw a fully fabled/legendary gear High Elf called 'Cliff Clavin' and laughed so hard I rode straight past the docking ship and into the sea, where I was promptly eaten by sharks.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 SilverMK2 wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:So the people who live in the area WANT the name changed to Denali...it was previously named after McKinnley who is from Ohio...I say good on Obama.
As I've expressed my opinion in the currency thread, I'm ALL about honoring famous people in our history. But...this seems like an odd honorific for McKinnley, and the local voices are being heard about what they want. I think it's a good move by Obama.
Unless the new name is the name of a woman or something...
I really, really hope that isn't what you took from my tirade over the money thing. But, with the orkmoticon showing, I assume you're kidding.
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Post by: Frazzled
Now if we want some REAL fun Obama needs to rename Stone Mountain to one of these:
Racist Roundtop
Mount Cracker
Grant's Rock.
tee hee... 
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Post by: gorgon
Redistribution of geological place names!
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Post by: Frazzled
Mountain Lives Matter!...?
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Post by: Kanluwen
If he doesn't rename a mountain to Mounted, I will be deeply disappointed in my president.
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Post by: kronk
What happened when Bluto went to Mount Olive?
Popeye got pissed...
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Post by: toasteroven
Frazzled wrote:Now if we want some REAL fun Obama needs to rename Stone Mountain to one of these:
Racist Roundtop
Mount Cracker
Grant's Rock.
tee hee...
Nah, they just need to carve another nearby rock to look like that picture of Sherman where he's all glaring, with his arms folded.
Just constantly glaring at Stone Mountain.
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Post by: WrentheFaceless
Yknow to drum up tourism we can call it Palin Peak
Give it the slogan "You can see Russia from here!"
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Post by: Jihadin
 toasteroven wrote: Frazzled wrote:Now if we want some REAL fun Obama needs to rename Stone Mountain to one of these:
Racist Roundtop
Mount Cracker
Grant's Rock.
tee hee...
Nah, they just need to carve another nearby rock to look like that picture of Sherman where he's all glaring, with his arms folded.
Just constantly glaring at Stone Mountain.
Bareba..errrr Barack Mountain....
Anyway after my weak attempt
Devil’s Tower
The board is considering a proposal from Native American spiritual leader Arvol Looking Horse to rename Devil’s Tower—a monolithic rock that rises 1,267 feet (386 meters) above its surroundings in northeast Wyoming—to the traditional Sioux and Cheyenne name, Bear Lodge.
Designated as the country’s first national monument in 1906, "Devils Tower" was a white man's mistranslation of the words "Bad God's Tower," Looking Horse, a Sioux, argued in his proposal. His proposal says the name is offensive "because it equates cultural and faith traditions practiced at this site to 'devil worship,' in essence equating indigenous people to 'devils.'"
Other Native names for Devil's Tower include Bear’s House (Crow), Bear’s Tipi (Arapaho), and Tree Rock (Kiowa).
Yost says the board is gathering information on the request and is waiting to hear back from stakeholders.
Harney Peak
A group of Lakota in South Dakota have asked the board to rename the state’s Harney Peak, the highest point in the U.S. east of the Rocky Mountains. The petitioners say the current name for the craggy feature in western South Dakota is offensive because Army General William S. Harney’s men massacred Native women and children during a battle in 1855.
The Lakota have asked for an official reinstatement of their name for the 7,242-foot (2,207-meter) Black Hills feature: Hinhan Kaga, often translated as “mountain of the sacred owl.”
Mt. Rainier
Native Americans have filed several requests over the years to rename the highest point in Washington State. The name Mt. Rainier was bestowed by explorer George Vancouver in the 1790s to honor a fellow member of the British Royal Navy (one who fought against the U.S. in the Revolution). Alternative names suggested include Tahoma or Tacoma, which mean “snowy mountain peak,” or Ti'Swaq, which means “sky wiper.”
The board has repeatedly rejected the proposals, says Yost, because of insufficient evidence that alternative names are widely used.
Mt. St. Helens
Some American Indians have complained about the origin of the name Mt. St. Helens, the volcano in western Washington State that famously blew its top in 1980, killing 57 people. According to the United States Geological Survey, Mount St. Helens was called Louwala-Clough, or Smoking Mountain, by some local Native Americans. But in 1792 it was also named by George Vancouver, this time for the British Ambassador to Spain, Alleyne Fitzherbert, whose title was Baron St. Helens.
Yost says he isn’t aware of much local support for such a change.
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Post by: kronk
Sorry. If it was in a Steven Spielberg movie, you have to stick to the name. That's the rules.
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Post by: Frazzled
toasteroven wrote: Frazzled wrote:Now if we want some REAL fun Obama needs to rename Stone Mountain to one of these:
Racist Roundtop
Mount Cracker
Grant's Rock.
tee hee...
Nah, they just need to carve another nearby rock to look like that picture of Sherman where he's all glaring, with his arms folded.
Just constantly glaring at Stone Mountain.
Son, I like what you've done here. 
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Post by: Iron_Captain
WrentheFaceless wrote:Yknow to drum up tourism we can call it Palin Peak
Give it the slogan "You can see Russia from here!"
If you are in Alaska, you can already see Russia by just looking at the ground. Alaska is Russia
They should have renamed it to its proper Russian name: Bolshaya Gora.
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Post by: WrentheFaceless
 Iron_Captain wrote:WrentheFaceless wrote:Yknow to drum up tourism we can call it Palin Peak
Give it the slogan "You can see Russia from here!"
If you are in Alaska, you can already see Russia by just looking at the ground. Alaska is Russia
They should have renamed it to its proper Russian name: Bolshaya Gora.
Hey, you guys sold it to us fair and square. 
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Post by: ScootyPuffJunior
"Hence forth, this mountain shall be named the name it was given thousands of years before white people got here and renamed it. Also, suck it, Ohio."
This thread has been enjoyable and generated more exalts from me than any other thread (except maybe that one ebola thread).
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Post by: Ahtman
Exalted just for "suck it, Ohio".
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Post by: Frazzled
I'm sensing basic hostility towards Ohio. This is a good thing.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Frazzled wrote:I'm sensing basic hostility towards Ohio. This is a good thing.
It's a place that is so bad that 5 people have gone to space just to get away from it... tells me about all I need to know
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Get Barrack's Rocks off (our maps)
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Post by: Bromsy
I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
It was probebly origninaly called something along the lines of.
"a mountain", "a big hunk of rock" or even, "your finger, you fool"
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Post by: d-usa
Snopes is already on the case, and the following has already been debunked!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'd like to the thank the people of this thread. I never knew who President McKinley was or his significance. Now I do. Also "denali" means Great One, and clearly the mountain is not Wayne Gretzky, so it should be changed back.
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Post by: ScootyPuffJunior
 Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
But have no fear guys, Donald Trump will fix everything.
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Post by: Bromsy
 ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Bromsy wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
Are you really going down this road when this thread has already brought us the glorious new term (to me) 'poutrage'?
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Post by: snurl
The first person to plant a Confederate Battle Flag on top of that mountain wins.
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Post by: ScootyPuffJunior
Bromsy wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
You're adorable!
To begin with, Denali is the Anglicization of the Koyukon Athabascan name for the mountain (Deenaalee) that has been used for at roughly 12,000 years. The indigenous people in the area had different names for the mountain, depending on what ethnolinguistic group they originated from. The Koyukon people that lived on the flanks of the mountain called it Denali or Denale (meaning "tall"). South of the mountain, the Dena'ina people called it Dghelay Ka’a (meaning "the big mountain"). There are a couple other names for mountain the various Athabascan languages as well.
The bottom line is the first person to name the mountain wasn't a white guy from New Hampshire.
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Post by: sebster
Poutrage is my new favourite word.
The comedy here is that all Obama did was rubber stamp something that a state wanted. There’s a really high chance that after Obama was told about this, his response was something along the lines of ‘okay, whatever, is there something I sign to make this go away?’
But run that through the conservative outrage machine and you get Obama’s destroys US heritage and makes US look weak in front of the rest of the world. Which isn’t even that much of an exaggeration on the posts in this thread, weirdly enough.
It’s cool that this time hardly anyone can bring themselves to pretend this is the worst thing a president has ever done. It’s probably because Obama is close enough to the end of his term that there’s neither fun nor profit to be had in inventing weird ways to be scared of him anymore. It probably isn’t because of how ridiculous a pretend scandal this is, because while it is very ridiculous, it’s nothing like as crazy as the Christmas tree thing.
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Post by: Bromsy
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
You're adorable!
To begin with, Denali is the Anglicization of the Koyukon Athabascan name for the mountain (Deenaalee) that has been used for at roughly 12,000 years. The indigenous people in the area had different names for the mountain, depending on what ethnolinguistic group they originated from. The Koyukon people that lived on the flanks of the mountain called it Denali or Denale (meaning "tall"). South of the mountain, the Dena'ina people called it Dghelay Ka’a (meaning "the big mountain"). There are a couple other names for mountain the various Athabascan languages as well.
The bottom line is the first person to name the mountain wasn't a white guy from New Hampshire.
Okay, so basically what you are saying is that I was right? Because I said it wasn't the original name, you said it was, I said it wasn't, and then you said it wasn't? It's not like I said McKinley was the original name. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mr. Burning wrote: Bromsy wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
Are you really going down this road when this thread has already brought us the glorious new term (to me) 'poutrage'?
The road of being technically correct (it's the best kind of correct)?
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Post by: ScootyPuffJunior
Bromsy wrote:Okay, so basically what you are saying is that I was right? Because I said it wasn't the original name, you said it was, I said it wasn't, and then you said it wasn't? It's not like I said McKinley was the original name.
Denali is the most prominent of the historic names for the mountain and the one used by the people who settled the area around the mountain, which is the reason why we use that as the original name.
Sorry if you have a difficult time understanding that.
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Post by: Bromsy
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:Okay, so basically what you are saying is that I was right? Because I said it wasn't the original name, you said it was, I said it wasn't, and then you said it wasn't? It's not like I said McKinley was the original name.
Denali is the most prominent of the historic names for the mountain and the one used by the people who settled the area around the mountain, which is the reason why we use that as the original name.
Sorry if you have a difficult time understanding that.
Sigh. I am not having difficulty understanding anything.
Did I say it wasn't the most 'historically prominent' name?
Did I say it was a bad name?
I made the simple statement that it (Denali) probably wasn't the original name. And it probably wasn't. Get over yourself. It was a mild joke, maybe with the intent to make people think a bit about the fact that basically no one anywhere were the original people there. But you had to swoop in to correct me... because you apparently read stuff into what I said that wasn't there.
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Post by: motyak
Both of you knock off the condescension and rudeness now before you completely overstep the line.
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Post by: zedmeister
Xenomancers wrote:
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
"The infidels have renamed a mountain. They are weak and will fall beneath the might of our angry mobs! AK-47's for everyone!!! LET US INVADE AMERICA!!!!!"
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Post by: Mr. Burning
 zedmeister wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
Isn't everything all around us renamed though and we all go on about our lives not caring how rude it is? I am on the cusp here...part of me can feel for the Alaskans right to do what they wish with their mountain but part of me just can't stand the message it sends to the rest of the world - that America is weak and doesn't even care for it's own heritage.
"The infidels have renamed a mountain. They are weak and will fall beneath the might of our angry mobs! AK-47's for everyone!!! LET US INVADE AMERICA!!!!!"
The only red line here is the one crossing out the name Mckinley.
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Post by: generalgrog
If the mountain won't come to Barack Hussein Obama then Barack Hussein Obama must go to the mountain.
GG
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Bromsy wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Bromsy wrote:I doubt Denali is the original name of the mountain. Sure it's been called that for a while... but original? Probably not.
It's what the Koyukon people who have lived in the region for thousands of years have called it. It pretty much means "tall."
So yeah, it's the original name.
Ah, so is it the term original you are having trouble with? Or do you honestly believe that whatever proto-native american group first stumbled on the mountain, pointed at it and said "Denali", settled down for the twenty to forty or so thousand years between then and now - depending on what theories you buy into about how the Americas were populated - and remained culturally and linguistically stable, or at least enough so that the word for that specific mountain remained the exact same?
Cause I am betting no.
I dunno... let's ask "god" what the mountain's name really is...
And not to get semantic... but anglicizing a name isn't changing it... it's changing the spelling to fit our limited alphabet. It'd be like some dude named Kominski... In Cyrillic lettering it probably looks all crazy and nothing like that. "Kominski" is merely the anglicized spelling.
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Post by: Xenomancers
Glad you guys had such fun with the thread. It really is funny.
What is really interesting about this though - apart from the fact our wikipedia fact sheet is going to change in the highest peak department - is that Trump can and already has used this for Political gain. Ohio has literally been the most important state to win in the electoral college for any presidential candidate as it has has quite a lot of votes for a swing state.
McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections. Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.
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Post by: Ouze
It's because he hates America, and this is just one step on the path to instilling a new age of liberal darkness.
Ohio won't matter for that, because there won't be any elections in the gay re-education FEMA camps.
Also, I'm going to call shenanigans on the idea that the population of Ohio is enraged by this. My guess is that they're an even split between "didn't hear about this", "didn't know who McKinley was", "didn't know McKinley was from Ohio" and "don't care".
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Post by: Polonius
I lived in Ohio for 17 years, and I don't think I ever heard anybody express any concern at all about McKinley's legacy.
It's also, what, 16 months prior to the General election? Probably not going to be a big factor.
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Post by: reds8n
Outside of those who are perpetually offended by everything Obama does, there's not many people think this is what he's done.
Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election.
Trump hates other people's opinion #shocker!
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Post by: Frazzled
 reds8n wrote:
Outside of those who are perpetually offended by everything Obama does, there's not many people think this is what he's done.
Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election.
Trump hates other people's opinion #shocker!
Thats because they're STUPID and Trump will negotiate the best mountain name ever! because he's rich.
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Post by: Lord Corellia
Ouze wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a mountain in the movie K2 but I don't know what it was called.
"The one from K2" duhhh
curran12 wrote:I imagine the only people who will care about this are the ones who would be fire up the outrage for "Obama eats a sandwich" headlines.
This is a slap in the face to celiacs, gluten-free dieteers and supermodels everywhere. Where is Mr. Obama's sense of humanity, his sense of compassion? Really, this proves more than any other single act, what kind of monster our commander-in-chief truly is.
Strombones wrote:So its IS Barack's Rock!!!!!
Only for another year or so
But really though, is this actually a serious issue?! My word...
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Post by: d-usa
If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 Lord Corellia wrote:
This is a slap in the face to celiacs, gluten-free dieteers and supermodels everywhere. Where is Mr. Obama's sense of humanity, his sense of compassion? Really, this proves more than any other single act, what kind of monster our commander-in-chief truly is.
Aren't you a Cannuck? He's not quite YOUR CiC. Unless of course, you're agreeing to be America's hat.
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Post by: Xenomancers
d-usa wrote:If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.
Trump will likely rename it McKinley....cause that's what he said he would do.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.
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Post by: zedmeister
d-usa wrote:If Trump will rename it anything it will be Trump Mountain.
Only acceptable if you fill the mountain with hot air and put astroturf over the peak...
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Post by: Lord Corellia
Xenomancers wrote:McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections.
Ummm, you *DO* know Barry isn't running again, right? Now, if he had signed a bill that allowed a president a third term THEN we would have a serious political issue. As it is, I don't see how this will damage his standing in the next presidential election... 
Xenomancers wrote:Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.
Donald Trump is a moron and a blowhard. If he wins the election, there will be much bigger problems all over the place than a mountain. As Megyn Kelly said "if Trump couldn't handle me, how will handle Vladimir Putin?"
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Post by: gorgon
Xenomancers wrote:Glad you guys had such fun with the thread. It really is funny.
What is really interesting about this though - apart from the fact our wikipedia fact sheet is going to change in the highest peak department - is that Trump can and already has used this for Political gain. Ohio has literally been the most important state to win in the electoral college for any presidential candidate as it has has quite a lot of votes for a swing state.
McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections. Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.
This can't be a serious post.
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Post by: Xenomancers
 Lt. Coldfire wrote:At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.
To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!
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Post by: Lord Corellia
He may just work for Fox News.
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Post by: Xenomancers
Lord Corellia wrote: Xenomancers wrote:McKinley was an Ohio native who has now been scoffed by Obama. Not exactly a smart move if you ask me - to overstep the congress to enrage the populace of the most important state for determining presidential elections.
Ummm, you *DO* know Barry isn't running again, right? Now, if he had signed a bill that allowed a president a third term THEN we would have a serious political issue. As it is, I don't see how this will damage his standing in the next presidential election...
Xenomancers wrote:Trump read this news an instantly made a statement that he will restore the McKinley name if he wins the election. LOL. Got love the Trump. All Obama had to do to avoid this was make some effort to honor McKinley - which I have no idea why he didn't.
Donald Trump is a moron and a blowhard. If he wins the election, there will be much bigger problems all over the place than a mountain. As Megyn Kelly said "if Trump couldn't handle me, how will handle Vladimir Putin?"
You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
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Post by: Lord Corellia
Xenomancers wrote:To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!
For a stupid reason. Surely there must be a better place to name after McKinley that would honour him better? More than "I like the cut o' yer goldin gib there, Bill!" by some toothless miner.
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Post by: zedmeister
Xenomancers wrote:
You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
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Post by: Xenomancers
If I work for fox news...why do I support Obama's real reason for going to Alaska - to spread awareness of the effects of global warming in the region? Probably because I am in independent. Also, I am sure you are aware there isn't a non bias news station at least that I am aware of. I can't stand any mainstream news.
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Post by: d-usa
Xenomancers wrote: Lt. Coldfire wrote:At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.
To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!
2,300 living people is still more than one dead mediocre president.
And the population of a whole state, acting through their legislature, with broad congressional support at the federal level against how many people that are actually bothered by this?
Honestly, other than "Obama" why do you care? What is your connection to the mountain of the name? Other than "it's always been that way", which is of course a lie, why does your opinion matter more than the actual people in the actual state?
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Post by: Lord Corellia
Xenomancers wrote:You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof. Automatically Appended Next Post: zedmeister wrote:I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens? Automatically Appended Next Post: Xenomancers wrote:Also, I am sure you are aware there isn't a non bias news station at least that I am aware of. I can't stand any mainstream news.
True enough, but Fox seems the only one to villify Obama over just about anything.
"President Obama saved the life of a young child today, diving to push him out of the path of a moving van."
And Fox be like:
"fething Barry just couldn't resist the urge to get close to a child. SMH."
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Post by: Gwaihirsbrother
I strongly dislike this president, but have no concern over this. It is a non issue in my book. There are things that have real, meaningful impacts on people's lives. This isn't one of them. It gets a big whatever from me.
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Post by: Xenomancers
Lord Corellia wrote: Xenomancers wrote:You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.
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zedmeister wrote:I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?
How is that ridiculous? Ohio has been fighting for years to keep the name...Obama oversteps congress to declare the name change himself... is really that hard to see the political damage that this could cause? Obama didn't win Ohio by much - little things like this can throw an election.
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Post by: d-usa
Xenomancers wrote: Lord Corellia wrote: Xenomancers wrote:You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
zedmeister wrote:I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?
How is that ridiculous? Ohio has been fighting for years to keep the name...Obama oversteps congress to declare the name change himself... is really that hard to see the political damage that this could cause? Obama didn't win Ohio by much - little things like this can throw an election.
Did "Ohio" fight for years to keep the name? Did their senators and representatives get elected on a platform of "this name will not change"? Do the people of Ohio hold rallies to keep the name?
Did a single city in Ohio fight to keep the name?
Or did a single person who happens to be from Ohio who had a personal interest because of where he is from fight to keep the name?
I feel that you are placing just a little too much weight on how "Ohio" as a whole feels about this.
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Post by: SagesStone
Lord Corellia wrote: Xenomancers wrote:You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
zedmeister wrote:I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?
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Xenomancers wrote:Also, I am sure you are aware there isn't a non bias news station at least that I am aware of. I can't stand any mainstream news.
True enough, but Fox seems the only one to villify Obama over just about anything.
"President Obama saved the life of a young child today, diving to push him out of the path of a moving van."
And Fox be like:
"fething Barry just couldn't resist the urge to get close to a child. SMH."
Or like "Obama saves the next hitler, kills van driver"
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Post by: d-usa
Heck, at this point I would settle on a half decent explanation on why it is more important what Ohio wants vs what Alaska wants.
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Post by: Xenomancers
d-usa wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Lt. Coldfire wrote:At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.
To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!
2,300 living people is still more than one dead mediocre president.
And the population of a whole state, acting through their legislature, with broad congressional support at the federal level against how many people that are actually bothered by this?
Honestly, other than "Obama" why do you care? What is your connection to the mountain of the name? Other than "it's always been that way", which is of course a lie, why does your opinion matter more than the actual people in the actual state?
I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
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Post by: Xenomancers
d-usa wrote:Heck, at this point I would settle on a half decent explanation on why it is more important what Ohio wants vs what Alaska wants.
It's not about Ohio - they might be the ones who were most resistant to the name change but It is about honoring an American president - who was assassinated in office (which IMO makes it even more insulting to remove the name).
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Post by: Polonius
Xenomancers wrote:I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Naming a mountain after low tier president really doesn't inspire American exceptionalism. They didn't change the name from "Mount Constitution" or anything.
The name change doesn't just appease locals, it reflects that it McKinley is a kind of dumb name, while Denali is an awesome name.
There's probably a lesson about our countries staggering indifference to Native American heritage in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to fish it out.
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Post by: Lord Corellia
Xenomancers wrote:I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Ok, so you see it as a symbol which is fine. You're missing the symbolism on the other side of your opinion though. Re-naming it in accordance with what the natives have called it for centuries is a symbolic honour for them and all Native Americans. It isn't much (but then again neither is the flip side) but it's something. And yes, when taken in that context it honours more than just the 2300 or so people of that tribe.
Either way, I don't see your view of Obama acting on his own without prompting in doing this. Didn't the Alaskan government petition for this, just like the Ohio government petitioned against? So it's a case of him weighing the options and picking a side rather than stepping over everything and acting on his own. The way you made it sound, Obama went rogue and was all like "feth you, Ohio. feth you, Alaska. The feth outta tha way, bitches. It's Barry's time to shine. I'm gonna do this gak because it makes me all tingly on the inside."
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Post by: -Shrike-
Lord Corellia wrote:Obama went rogue and was all like "feth you, Ohio. feth you, Alaska. The feth outta tha way, bitches. It's Barry's time to shine. I'm gonna do this gak because it makes me all tingly on the inside."
I'd totally vote for a president who did that, though.
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Post by: Xenomancers
d-usa wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Lord Corellia wrote: Xenomancers wrote:You do know he is a member of the democratic party which will in fact be running in the next election right?
Yes, and? You're telling me that a president legally changing the name of a mountain, as asked to by the people of the state in which it is situated, will blackball the Democratic party? That sounds ridiculous. You're implying that the people of Ohio give a gak about Obama, mountains or McKinley. Not sure they do. Show me the proof.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
zedmeister wrote:I can see it now:
"Despite a superior series of pledges, the Democrats were undermined by Denali-gate. Congratulations world, you get Bush Mk III/I've just Trumped (delete as appropriate) for the next n years. Thank you Obama and thank you Denali."
Won't my face be red if this is exactly what happens?
How is that ridiculous? Ohio has been fighting for years to keep the name...Obama oversteps congress to declare the name change himself... is really that hard to see the political damage that this could cause? Obama didn't win Ohio by much - little things like this can throw an election.
Did "Ohio" fight for years to keep the name? Did their senators and representatives get elected on a platform of "this name will not change"? Do the people of Ohio hold rallies to keep the name?
Did a single city in Ohio fight to keep the name?
Or did a single person who happens to be from Ohio who had a personal interest because of where he is from fight to keep the name?
I feel that you are placing just a little too much weight on how "Ohio" as a whole feels about this.
I don't know about that...Ohio does elect it's representatives in congress, so he is supposed to speak for his people. True there are probably people on both sides of the issue there. Typically presidents do well in their own states though - I think that's why you see so much support from Ohio congressmen on this for over 20 years. Like I said though - I am not from Ohio - I actually don't much like the place.
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Post by: Frazzled
Frankly Denali sounds more manly
I climbed Mount McKinley/. Pfft whatever.
I summitted the awesome heights of Alaska's Great Mount Denali! America Hurr!
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Post by: Xenomancers
Polonius wrote: Xenomancers wrote:I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Naming a mountain after low tier president really doesn't inspire American exceptionalism. They didn't change the name from "Mount Constitution" or anything.
The name change doesn't just appease locals, it reflects that it McKinley is a kind of dumb name, while Denali is an awesome name.
There's probably a lesson about our countries staggering indifference to Native American heritage in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to fish it out.
McKinley might have been low tier - but he did do great things. Denali might sound cooler than McKinley but I don't think that is at all significant because that is just a matter of preference - it's no reason to change the name of the largest mountain in a country.
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Post by: BrotherGecko
Wasn't Mckinley the guy that started a brutal oppressive and unpopular conflict that killed thousands in the Philippines?
Ironic to rename a mountain after him over the indigenous people's wishes, then fight to keep to keep the name of a man that cared nothing for indigenous people's wishes.
Also his only accomplishment in my eyes is exiting stage left for America personified President Teddy Roosevelt lol.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
 BrotherGecko wrote:Wasn't Mckinley the guy that started a brutal oppressive and unpopular conflict that killed thousands in the Philippines?
The one where Americans put people into concentration camps?
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Post by: Polonius
 MrDwhitey wrote: BrotherGecko wrote:Wasn't Mckinley the guy that started a brutal oppressive and unpopular conflict that killed thousands in the Philippines?
The one where Americans put people into concentration camps?
You need to be more specific.
Not that the concept doesn't have a long and sordid history.
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Post by: d-usa
Xenomancers wrote: d-usa wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Lt. Coldfire wrote:At least we know we're out of problems when the Prez flies out to Alaska to re-name a mountain.
To be fair he was there for other reasons...reason I actually support...renaming a mountain to honor a living population of 2300 people...come on man. Hundreds of millions of people call that Mt. McKinley!
2,300 living people is still more than one dead mediocre president.
And the population of a whole state, acting through their legislature, with broad congressional support at the federal level against how many people that are actually bothered by this?
Honestly, other than "Obama" why do you care? What is your connection to the mountain of the name? Other than "it's always been that way", which is of course a lie, why does your opinion matter more than the actual people in the actual state?
I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Well, if it's national the it's settled since almost all members of congress were okay with changing the name.
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Post by: Iron_Captain
Just give the mountain back already and be done with it. I also fail to see how random president number what was it again needs to have the biggest mountain of North America named after him. If you guys are going to name it after a president, at least name it after Washington, Roosevelt or Reagan or someone else who is actually known outside of the US. Just my opinion, not that I care about how the American occupiers name Bolshaya Gora
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Post by: MrDwhitey
Why should they name it after someone other countries know about?
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Post by: BrotherGecko
Well as an American, a lot of Americans can only name the presidents that the rest of the world can anyways so I guess its all one and the same. Automatically Appended Next Post: MrDwhitey wrote: BrotherGecko wrote:Wasn't Mckinley the guy that started a brutal oppressive and unpopular conflict that killed thousands in the Philippines?
The one where Americans put people into concentration camps?
Yup that one lol. The one that was washed out of US history books because of how absolutely evil it was.
So yah lets us honor McKinley with a mountain.
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Post by: d-usa
If McCain wasn't a war hero because he got caught, them McKinley must have been a pretty crappy president to get himself assassinated. Trump should at least promise to name it after the president that got shot and finished a 90 minute speech instead of dying.
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Post by: kronk
Xenomancers wrote: d-usa wrote:Heck, at this point I would settle on a half decent explanation on why it is more important what Ohio wants vs what Alaska wants.
It's not about Ohio - they might be the ones who were most resistant to the name change but It is about honoring an American president - who was assassinated in office (which IMO makes it even more insulting to remove the name).
Winners don't die from gunshot wounds. McKinley wasn't a winner in my book. I only like winners like JFK. That dude nailed Marylin Monroe and lived to be 94!
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Post by: Xenomancers
Jezz you guys are heartless! Love you guys lol.
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Post by: Ouze
d-usa wrote:If McCain wasn't a war hero because he got caught, them McKinley must have been a pretty crappy president to get himself assassinated. Trump should at least promise to name it after the president that got shot and finished a 90 minute speech instead of dying.
Hah! Just when I thought the thread was fizzling out.
 kronk wrote:Winners don't die from gunshot wounds. McKinley wasn't a winner in my book.
Well said. And then
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Post by: Mr. Burning
According to Xenomancer and Fox logic Hussein Obama has made you laugh.
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Post by: Relapse
kronk wrote: Xenomancers wrote: d-usa wrote:Heck, at this point I would settle on a half decent explanation on why it is more important what Ohio wants vs what Alaska wants.
It's not about Ohio - they might be the ones who were most resistant to the name change but It is about honoring an American president - who was assassinated in office (which IMO makes it even more insulting to remove the name).
Winners don't die from gunshot wounds. McKinley wasn't a winner in my book. I only like winners like JFK. That dude nailed Marylin Monroe and lived to be 94!
Teddy Roosevelt took a bullet and went on to give a speech before getting it taken care of. Winner, winner, winner!
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Post by: Psienesis
President McKinley:
*25th President of the US
*Staunch supporter of peace, raised taxes on trade-goods and imports, annexed the Republic of Hawaii (incidentally, this would later permit the Obama Presidency), supported the rights of laborers and would, today, be considered a Progressive.
...21st century Republican Hero since sometime last week.
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Post by: d-usa
He also helped Cuba gain independence, which in the end brought them communism. What a hero!
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Post by: WrentheFaceless
Psienesis wrote:President McKinley:
*25th President of the US
*Staunch supporter of peace, raised taxes on trade-goods and imports, annexed the Republic of Hawaii (incidentally, this would later permit the Obama Presidency), supported the rights of laborers and would, today, be considered a Progressive.
...21st century Republican Hero since sometime last week.
So it should be more like "Thanks MCKinley...For Obama"?
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Post by: Psienesis
Hey, if McKinley had not supported and pushed the agenda of America's "benevolent Imperialism", Hawaii probably would never have become a state, is all I'm saying.
The Republicans have none to blame but themselves.
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Post by: sebster
Xenomancers wrote:I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Wouldn't a fair compromise include Alaska getting to name some random gak in Ohio?
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Surely the mountain is still big and "bad" and inspiring no matter what name you print on the maps?
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
 sebster wrote: Xenomancers wrote:I consider Mt. McKinley a national monument because It is the biggest and baddest mountain we got. The purpose of national monuments is to inspire American exceptionalism - not to appease locals. Alaskans even got a fair compromise which renamed the NATIONAL park around the mountain Denali.
Wouldn't a fair compromise include Alaska getting to name some random gak in Ohio?
Maybe, if they chose to rename the Browns, the team may suddenly become.... if not good, then perhaps "mediocre" ??
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Post by: Frazzled
rename Toledo : Moose Butt, Ohio.
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Post by: BrotherGecko
Michigan had already called dibs on renaming its dingle-berry, but Alaska can rename Toledo I think.
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