Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.
You'll have a plastic Ahriman before you'll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.
Products (rumored by Atia, Sad Panda, Mauler)
- Plastic Thousand Sons Rubric Marines
- Plastic Magnus the Red Daemon Primarch model
In the next Horus Heresy boardgame - release in fall 2016 (rumored by Sad Panda)
- Plastic Thousand Sons for 30k
Age of Sigmar / 40k releases (Source: Sad Panda)
- Plastic Lord of Change from the same artist as Magnus (end of 2016 the earliest)
- Starting with Warhammer Quest Silver Tower there will be many Tzeentch models for AoS (partly crossover with 40k) throughout 2016
Also most likely (currently guesses based on rumors)
- 40k Campaign book Warzone: Fenris II
- BL ebook and printed novel
Collected rumors and information (sorted: newest -> oldest):
Warhams-77 wrote: Robbie MacNiven was guest on the latest Combat Phase podcast, talking about his Warzone Fenris ebook series.
Warhams-77 wrote: You mean the classic myth of GW producing Primarchs?
Myth no more.
A lot of people over the years claimed the GDs were all finished and claimed they saw them (talking about myths).
All of them curiously missed this particular vintage-epic-inspired-villain next to the only recently finished LoC his design portfolio.
Remember the Warhammer Fest comment about things changing, but not quite as drastic as End Times/AoS? 40K is on the move.
zamerion wrote: via Mauler on Faeit 212
Speaking of Space Wolves, Natfka, I bumped into an old mate last night who had a chap with him who I'd not met before. He said that he knew people working at GW, said that they were working on Warzone: Fenris pt2 at the moment and showed me two grainy photos.
I assume that the delay in pt2 is down to the models involved as one pic was of Thousand Sons in ornate armour that I'd not seen before and the other pic was of a daemonic Magnus. Hard to make out details on him from memory but there was a fair bit of blue & red on him and I vaguely remember something like blue pinions outstretched from his back but I'm not sure if they were wings. Clearly a departure from a Primarch Magnus from FW.
And a plastic Magnus from GW was the last thing I expected to see. It looked legit, but I don't know the chap, so..
Can't get a copy of the pics as they're secret squirrel, but my chum confirms that there are wings on Magnus and it's GW plastic, not FW resin.
Atia on B&C
Spoiler:
From the A-40k-author blog
So many people making crazy/wrong assumptions about the War Zone Fenris situation and I’m just like;
And then I see like one guy out of eighty make the correct guess and I’m silently like;
Also included is my own very first Black Library story, Deathwatch 4: Redblade. The primary protagonist, Drenn, will be returning quite soon for further adventures!
- Spoiler warning - Warzone Fenris I: Curse of the Wulfen -
Spoiler:
War Zone Fenris - the Situation So Far
For those of you who haven’t yet purchased either the novel or the beautifully illustrated rules/narrative package (and I really recommend you do, they’re amazing), massive spoilers under the cut.
The Wulfen have started randomly reappearing from the warp across the Imperium. This frequently coincides with massive daemonic incursions.
The Space Wolves rush to collect the Wulfen before the Imperium discovers them, however the Dark Angels stumble upon them. Both they and the Grey Knights set out to investigate.
There is a huge outbreak of daemonic invasions in the Fenris system - although Fenris itself isn’t attacked, its moon as well as the worlds of Midgardia and Frostheim, and Frostheim’s moon Svellgard, are overrun. The Alpha Legion seizes Morkai’s Keep on Frostheim.
The Space Wolves rush back to reclaim the Fenris System.The first Great Companies back are those of Grimnar, Egil Iron Wolf, Harald Deathwolf and Sven Bloodhowl. Krom Dragongaze is already defending the Fang. Ragnar Blackmane and Bran Redmaw are inbound.
Grimnar and Egil attack the daemons on Midgardia but their assault stalls and Grimnar is lost during a subterranean cave-in fighting four Daemon Princes.
Sven drives the daemons back on Svellgard.
Harald recaptures Morkai’s Keep from the Alpha Legion.
Krom leaves Fenris for its moon to assist the Grey Knights, who have just arrived. They manage to foil a Tzeentch plot to frame the Wolves as traitors in front of the rest of the Imperium.
Just as it seems as though the daemons are being defeated a crusade fleet of 13 Space Marine Chapters arrives, led by the Dark Angels.
Manipulated by the Changeling, they open fire across the Fenris system…
Like with Sanctus Reach, Shield of Baal and Damocles GW will probably fill ~2 weeks with 40k (more Start Collecting sets?) and other releases until the second campaign book gets available for preorder.
FSE is rumored to be getting its 7e codex this month. Makes sense to me. It is said there might be a one pack release with it. I wonder what it could be if they choose to release it alongside the FSE 7e codex.
Fairly reliable rumor monger as well. Source is on Advanced Tau Tactica and he knew some things were coming for Tau that no other rumormonger knew about. Just reposting this here so people can have a clue the rumor exists at all.
Unless this is something old - but I haven't seen it or heard of it before.
Grukk isn't snapfit.
Additionally, second part of Sanctus Reach had Krom and his forces fighting against Daemons.
That is true. I hadn't considered that.
So what is the Battle for Vedros then?
It is all pushfit stuff, apparently repackaging Assault on Black Reach models with simplified rules to make a game that can be put out in a way that can be sold in avenues other than at hobby shops.
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Gamgee wrote: FSE is rumored to be getting its 7e codex this month. Makes sense to me. It is said there might be a one pack release with it. I wonder what it could be if they choose to release it alongside the FSE 7e codex.
What part of the current climate of releases would make a rumor of FSE getting their own 7e Codex sensible?
FSE did not have units, just loadouts for units in the Tau Empire codex and some special rules.
Fairly reliable rumor monger as well. Source is on Advanced Tau Tactica and he knew some things were coming for Tau that no other rumormonger knew about. Just reposting this here so people can have a clue the rumor exists at all.
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Here is one more of his posts, but I'm still trying to specifically find the one with mention of a possible new model. Though he did say it was only a small chance. This one mentions the new book for FSE, it would be funny if this turned out to be Warzone Damocles PT 3. Though it sounds just like a new codex update. http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23919&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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Their forum searching really sucks by the way. Only way to really do it is manually can't look for specific posts or anything.
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I give up can't find the specific post about the new model chance, but it does exist for those with more time than me. Your looking for a post by K'vor.
Sounds more likely that there is going to be an Ork release or further Daemon rules. Did Krom fight any big named daemons during Sanctus reach part two?
Wouldn't it just be like an Ork to sense a big fight his nemesis is taking part in and directing himself in that direction? Perhaps even indirectly saving the Space Wolves?
Edit: can probably sum up all of gamgees posts with 'Tau will be in all the releases. And they will win them all too!' :p
No leaks yet, 4chan had some jpgs which are now depleted but they seem to be the pic from the webshop anyway. GW shipping product a day before release is slowing leaks. Not sure if people got theirs yet.
Regarding FSE. As always read the conversation before the quote. With rumor quotes context is everything. I have not as I was not following these Tau rumors on ATT that closely. But SP is chiming in on a FSE rumor in the topic I linked below. Clearly not a confirmation. But according to him it is not nonsense either. Better not read too much into it and I think it is not connected with the Fenris campaign. But there is chance for re-releases of campaign book rules content according to him.
Sad Panda
It's not impossible there will be a FSE book, which may or may not be reprinting the rules from Mont'ka.
I wouldn't expect many miniatures with it. Probably just be the book, or a single clam-pack at most. There will be several 1-week things 2016.
In some Collectors Editions are seperate booklets for faction rules. Otherwise, not that I remember. The Cypher dataslate was available in printed form in Codex: DALE.
Warhams-77 wrote: No leaks yet, 4chan had some jpgs which are now depleted but they seem to be the pic from the webshop anyway. GW shipping product a day before release is slowing leaks. Not sure if people got theirs yet.
Regarding FSE. As always read the conversation before the quote. With rumor quotes context is everything. I have not as I was not following these Tau rumors on ATT that closely. But SP is chiming in on a FSE rumor in the topic I linked below. Clearly not a confirmation. But according to him it is not nonsense either. Better not read too much into it and I think it is not connected with the Fenris campaign. But there is chance for re-releases of campaign book rules content according to him.
Sad Panda
It's not impossible there will be a FSE book, which may or may not be reprinting the rules from Mont'ka.
I wouldn't expect many miniatures with it. Probably just be the book, or a single clam-pack at most. There will be several 1-week things 2016.
I never said it was for sure FSE just that there was a decent chance at a book and a very small one at a single model release. What did I ever say that contradicted that (unless that part wasn't directed at me)? Granted I couldn't find the post on ATT but it was there as well as here apparently so thanks for that.
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Morden your making me see a cool cut of the Tau vs FSE war in my head with the sound effects from the civil war trailer the one where they are chanting. Now I wish I could see that movie.
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Leaving this thread now. Don't want to drag this off topic when its supposed to be about the Space Wolves. Sorry about that. >
Unless this is something old - but I haven't seen it or heard of it before.
Grukk isn't snapfit.
Additionally, second part of Sanctus Reach had Krom and his forces fighting against Daemons.
That is true. I hadn't considered that.
So what is the Battle for Vedros then?
Vedros is just a re-release of the 5th edition starter set, assault on black reach (at least the models).
The warlord of that box looked alot like grukk, but clearly not the same model.
Just flipped through "hour of the wolf" (last of the alaric prime/krom campaign).
There is a bunch of anonymous daemons, mostly khorne, and a lord of skulls called "eater of skulls", but
nothing that could be remembered as a "nemesis of Krom", IMO.
The Krom nemesis must certainly be Grukk (it also makes sense with all the other exclusive box characters are beeing blistered).
But the release is perhaps not part of the campaign.
Xeno coalition and Grukk, sounds like a weird mix to throw in with the already messy SW/DA/Daemon/GK situation.
As Grukk nearly killed Krom and stole Kroms Thunderhawk Vengeful Howl he should be Kroms nemesis. Grukk survived the battle on Alaric Prime and escaped as well.
Currently GW does not sell any Warboss with Powerklaw. The warboss with an attack squig is currently sold out as well http://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Ork-Warboss-with-Attack-Squig I also noticed that the old warboss was marked under "Last chance to buy" so that's a strong indication that it will be replaced.
Does Krom have any previous enemies except those he fights during the Sanctus Reach campaign?
The only other named charachters that could be a nemesis during the Sanctus Reach campaign is Kaptin Badrukk and boss Mogrok. They both escaped as well.
Before the space wolves arrived at Sanctus reach, Kaptin Badrukk destroyed a Space wolves frigate and a Strike cruiser killing hundreds of space wolves. He also attacked Fenrisian training facilities and protectorate worlds and other lone space wolf crafts.
I am hoping that Orks are in book two and Grukk gets a general release. And they are my primary army's nemesis! I would also be happy if they gave the plastic deff kopta a release in plastic outside of the starter sets that are coming out. Give orks the help they need!
casvalremdeikun wrote: I am hoping that Orks are in book two and Grukk gets a general release. And they are my primary army's nemesis! I would also be happy if they gave the plastic deff kopta a release in plastic outside of the starter sets that are coming out. Give orks the help they need!
Personally I hope they aren't... The story is already bursting with Chaos - both a massive Daemonic legions and Mortals, with Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and elements from various other Chapters!
Besides, while we're only meant to be the punching bag (again), this is first time that Chaos has had any real spotlight time since the Eye of Terror campaign! (besides 10+ years of lackluster codex releases and barely a drip's worth of new models, with Daemons being the sole exception.)
Orks, Bugs, Tau... you guys had your spotlight campaigns already. Time to let the real 'big bad' of the 40k universe shine for once. (even if it is to just cause some cosmetic damage and then get roflstomped by team IoM)
Hopefully Part II is when we'll see those heavily rumored new Thousand Sons! And maybe if we're really lucky (yeah right!), GW might even update their rules so they're not the game's most expensive useless crap anymore! (doubt it though...)
At the very least, perhaps we'll get some Alpha Legion formation/s to tied us over until 2017. It'd be nice to finally get at least one unit that can Infiltrate properly... considering that iirc, we're the only army left in the game who don't have a single actual Infiltrate or Scout unit in our entire codex.
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Here is one more of his posts, but I'm still trying to specifically find the one with mention of a possible new model. Though he did say it was only a small chance. This one mentions the new book for FSE, it would be funny if this turned out to be Warzone Damocles PT 3. Though it sounds just like a new codex update. http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23919&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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Their forum searching really sucks by the way. Only way to really do it is manually can't look for specific posts or anything.
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I give up can't find the specific post about the new model chance, but it does exist for those with more time than me. Your looking for a post by K'vor.
There seems to be alot of run and charge tricks out there these days?
Is run and charge the new soul blaze, only usefull?
Anyway, the clarification how different units can do different actions is strangely uncaracteristic of GWs rulewriting.
They usually have a "dont explain, dont appologise" style to it.
Fayric wrote: There seems to be alot of run and charge tricks out there these days?
Is run and charge the new soul blaze, only usefull?
Anyway, the clarification how different units can do different actions is strangely uncaracteristic of GWs rulewriting.
They usually have a "dont explain, dont appologise" style to it.
Seems to be standard for seemingly everyone except Chaos to get 'Run + Charge' abilities nowadays.
Fayric wrote: There seems to be alot of run and charge tricks out there these days?
Is run and charge the new soul blaze, only usefull?
Anyway, the clarification how different units can do different actions is strangely uncaracteristic of GWs rulewriting.
They usually have a "dont explain, dont appologise" style to it.
Seems to be standard for seemingly everyone except Chaos to get 'Run + Charge' abilities nowadays.
Didn't take long for this kind of statement to appear
That formation is amazing! Load up some plasma on those GH's and you have a great turn one strike!
Warhams-77 wrote: Good to see he was correct, let's send the man (and Gamgee) a cigar
Thanks! Now allegedly from K'vor he has an outstanding rumor that Tau might have a little more in the way of campaign in Q1/Q2 left before their wave is completely done for the future. If that means we'll get our own book or be in one is any guess. I hope K'vor is right about this one too.
Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
The world deserves CSM kits based on DV Chosen, Daemonkin artwork and Blightking bits (and NOT Wrathmongers).
A vanilla and Chosen CSM kit HAS to come, a Plague Marine kit, a Berzerker kit, would be sweet cherries. I'd even pay their ridiculous new prices where a normal Marine costs what a Termi used to. I'd pay MORE. I want so many warbands and Killteams, GW is leaving so much money on the table.
Thousand Sons are actually the only cult troops that DON'T interest me. Just my luck, eh The metal flamers and especially the horrors were amazing, the newer sorcerera are ace as well, but TS are sooo boring.
I'm hoping the Thousand Sons will get some new toys when they're released. Heavy Bolters, brotherhood of psykers, we'll be back, something. If it's the exact same kit in plastic, which would imply the same crap rules, I'll cry.
Nvs wrote: I'm hoping the Thousand Sons will get some new toys when they're released. Heavy Bolters, brotherhood of psykers, we'll be back, something. If it's the exact same kit in plastic, which would imply the same crap rules, I'll cry.
I'm betting that the rules will be exactly the same as current, so as not to invalidate their actual codex entry.
However, I fully expect the models themselves will look very much like their old 2nd edition metals from way back in the day... I think the couple of 'dead' bitz from the Thunderwolf Cav & Herald Deathwolf sets gives us a good hint at what the new plastic kit will look like.
My bet would be more core choices for the other wolflords. They did mention some of them not arriving to the fray as of yet. (In particular, Bran Redmaw. Which is the one I am waiting for. Glad I have his stats from forgeworld!)
a-40k-author:
So who’s still excited for Curse of the Wulfen part 2?
Me me me. So I can be @nighthaunting’s battle buddy reading it.
‘excited’ is an understatement at this point
every day i cry a single tear as i remember the cliffhanger from CotW, and then say a short prayer to the emperor that my precious son ragnar will show up
He’s coming. Writing his point-of-view has been my greatest writing honour to date.
miracles happen once in a while if you believe ;a;
Man I can't believe how long it is taking to get any new info on the second release. I am hoping foolishly that they amend the dreadnoughts and add something to wolf scouts, if not I am still excited for the fluff and my army is in a good place, I just want some more viable options beyond wolf guard grey hunters and thundercav/wulfen. I will say I am happy we got the 3 tank formations at least, 3 triple las preds really helps us against superheavies, no buying 3 is another tough hurdle at 60 a tank :/
Really? I thought it was within like 2-3 weeks at most. Then again I dont pay much attention to the new releases these days.
If part 2 comes out in that same amount of time, then it should be out by now, but we are in an AoS wave, and wouldn't we have heard something rumor wise? Also if it is coming out wouldn't the plastic rubrics be released with them? I keep hearing that the plastic models wont be released until this summer at the earliest. I dont see GW waiting months after the campaign release to come out with the plastic rubrics. Of course I could be wrong. If I am, feel free to correct me.
Scorpionov wrote: really hoping tsons will get some new rules or throw the csm a bone or two cause frankly it is way unfair in terms of balance
Lol! Chaos Marines getting anything remotely good for once?! Hahahahahahahaha!
Doesn't matter how unfair the match-up is, GW only wants their poster boys winning so that Little Timmy can stroke his ego and keep his parents buying him scads of Space Marine/Space Wolf kits.
The role of Chaos Marines has almost always been to play 'effortless punching bag'.
I really don't get the hate for CSM because I've always found them to be a challenge on the tabletop. Yes, I know how to play the game, but we don't play to win, just have fun doing it. All the "useless" units that I've seen people overlook because points or whatever, actually perform very well!
Anyway, are there any more whispers in the rumour mill for this? I'm anxious to see how this plays out.
angelofvengeance wrote: I really don't get the hate for CSM because I've always found them to be a challenge on the tabletop. Yes, I know how to play the game, but we don't play to win, just have fun doing it. All the "useless" units that I've seen people overlook because points or whatever, actually perform very well!
Anyway, are there any more whispers in the rumour mill for this? I'm anxious to see how this plays out.
If nobody is playing to the best of their ability, any unit can look okay. The codex is garbage, and tournament results show that.
Yet the Sun still rises. Seriously can we have actual news in this Warzone Fenris thread as apposed to the same old tired chaos complaining derailing it? I also play Chaos BTW so I understand the issues but this isn't the place to voice those issues.
Red Corsair wrote: Yet the Sun still rises. Seriously can we have actual news in this Warzone Fenris thread as apposed to the same old tired chaos complaining derailing it? I also play Chaos BTW so I understand the issues but this isn't the place to voice those issues.
Nah, it's more that we're just setting our expectations about as low as is humanly possible...
This way, if things stay roughly the same rules-wise, there's no great disappointment.
On the other hand, if things improve even to say, the level of GK's/Ad mech/KDK, then we'll be that much more excited & over the moon about finally not being treated like the crispy-fried poop sandwich we've been for the past 10 years!
Red Corsair wrote: Yet the Sun still rises. Seriously can we have actual news in this Warzone Fenris thread as apposed to the same old tired chaos complaining derailing it? I also play Chaos BTW so I understand the issues but this isn't the place to voice those issues.
Nah, it's more that we're just setting our expectations about as low as is humanly possible...
This way, if things stay roughly the same rules-wise, there's no great disappointment.
On the other hand, if things improve even to say, the level of GK's/Ad mech/KDK, then we'll be that much more excited & over the moon about finally not being treated like the crispy-fried poop sandwich we've been for the past 10 years!
LOL OK fair enough, Now that you have clearly done said task lets get back to news.
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Fenris is besieged, and the Space Wolves – with some unlikely allies – battle daemonic invaders across the system. When contact is lost with the Chapter Master, are the Space Wolves doomed to destruction?
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The Fenris system, home of the savage and feral Space Wolves Chapter, is overrun by the forces of Chaos. On planets and moons armies of daemons manifest to enact a campaign of slaughter, and the Wolves are forced to defend themselves on all fronts. As the fighting escalates, all contact with Logan Grimnar is lost. Can the Space Wolves find their missing Chapter Master, or is he dead, as the daemons claim?
Fenris is besieged, and the Space Wolves – with some unlikely allies – battle daemonic invaders across the system. When contact is lost with the Chapter Master, are the Space Wolves doomed to destruction?
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The call of Archaon and the Deathwatch quick read series both started about 6 months before the related products were released. If we follow that logic, we can expect Warzone Fenris part 2 in the autumn. This seems especially likely given Sad Panda's comments about this being the year of Aos.
Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over! Starting today, and continuing until October, expect the continuation of the saga that started in Curse of the Wulfen, written by yours truly. The sequel novel will be serialised in eight ebook chapters, starting with The Lost King today. All eight will be collected into a full, physical novel at the end of the year. And best of all, the first chapter is free to download!
Red Corsair wrote: Yet the Sun still rises. Seriously can we have actual news in this Warzone Fenris thread as apposed to the same old tired chaos complaining derailing it? I also play Chaos BTW so I understand the issues but this isn't the place to voice those issues.
I totally agree! Instead we should talk about how the Sisters of Battle really need a new Codex and an entire line of plastic models urgently!
Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over! Starting today, and continuing until October, expect the continuation of the saga that started in Curse of the Wulfen, written by yours truly. The sequel novel will be serialised in eight ebook chapters, starting with The Lost King today. All eight will be collected into a full, physical novel at the end of the year. And best of all, the first chapter is free to download!
.. Russ' boys are in a tight spot though eh ?
15/1 An Ork WAAAGH!!! shows up and that's when things get knocked into 12th gear.
So, Logan Grimnar disappear, and his last word to his Chapter are “I am Alpharius”!
My fav' would be 10/1 though. Even if the Wolves somehow survive.
Vankraken wrote: 15/1 An Ork WAAAGH!!! shows up and that's when things get knocked into 12th gear.
Gazhkull arrive, smacks Abaddon behind the hear, tell him “Crawl back to your hole to train some more” and then leave. Anti-climatic much? Reminds me of something .
Nevelon wrote: 1000-1 for the most probable outcome? Someone doesn’t know how to set odds.
Nah. It's so that SW/Imperial players in general can feel that much more amazing about their army because they "overcame all the odds" and won in the end... somehow.
Gotta keep stroking that massive Loyalist ego and remind the Mary Sues how they always win in the end.
If this was Age of Sigmar, Id say the best ods was that the wolfes acended in to myrder ice wylfs -loyal steeds
for exalted systers of battle, to purge fenrys to the land of rainbow yce cream.
Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over! Starting today, and continuing until October, expect the continuation of the saga that started in Curse of the Wulfen, written by yours truly. The sequel novel will be serialised in eight ebook chapters, starting with The Lost King today. All eight will be collected into a full, physical novel at the end of the year. And best of all, the first chapter is free to download!
.. Russ' boys are in a tight spot though eh ?
15/1 An Ork WAAAGH!!! shows up and that's when things get knocked into 12th gear.
Rob Schneider thought being a Space Wolf couldn't get any hairier, but just when he's about to be promoted to Grey Hunter, an Ork WAAAGH!!! shows up and that's when things get knocked into 12th gear.
Will the Space overcome the odds stacked against them?
It's almost as riveting a odds-overcoming endeavor as John Cena in WWE (who, come to think of it is very much the Space-Wolves of wrestling)
greyknight12 wrote: How about the GK show up and purge so I can get some new OP formations/units too?
Yeah, the GK show and save the Space Wolves. Like that'll happen.
Well, the Grey Knights feature heavily towards the end of Part I, so it wouldn't surprise me if they got some formations in Part II.
Hopefully though, we don't regress back to the levels of 5th edition stupidity where games of Grey Knights vs. Daemons was an automatic curbstomping in the GK's favour...
This is just a guess, but the culmination of the Fenris story at the end of the year does seem to setup a new CSM codex and a reason to launch a new edition of the game, if this is the 40k Endtimes.
Fayric wrote: If this was Age of Sigmar, Id say the best ods was that the wolfes acended in to myrder ice wylfs -loyal steeds
for exalted systers of battle, to purge fenrys to the land of rainbow yce cream.
Nevelon wrote: 1000-1 for the most probable outcome? Someone doesn’t know how to set odds.
Nah. It's so that SW/Imperial players in general can feel that much more amazing about their army because they "overcame all the odds" and won in the end... somehow.
Gotta keep stroking that massive Loyalist ego and remind the Mary Sues how they always win in the end.
Do you do anything besides derail threads and bitch? And people say Warseer is bad.
This is exciting, even if the odds thing is a bit cheesy I can totally see my 12 year old self back in the day being extremely worried about the outcome, which is who they are playing into anyway.
I hope the Thousand Sons play a heavy roll in this thing! It would be cool to see them summoning demon waves to occupy the Grey Knights as they grudge match the wolves.
Red Corsair wrote: This is exciting, even if the odds thing is a bit cheesy I can totally see my 12 year old self back in the day being extremely worried about the outcome, which is who they are playing into anyway.
I hope the Thousand Sons play a heavy roll in this thing! It would be cool to see them summoning demon waves to occupy the Grey Knights as they grudge match the wolves.
I'll consider it a "win" for our side if Tzen'char, Ahriman or some other named 1kSons character kills Grimnar, leaving young Ragnar to become the new Great Wolf...
At least that'll make 2 Chapter Masters and a Primarch we've taken from those rotten fleabags!
Maybe if we're really lucky, the new Thousand Models will even come with rules that make them playable for the first time in 10+ years too!
Nvs wrote: Heck, let the Thousand Sons lose the campaign if GW can manage that last thing.
I've absolutely no doubt that the Thousand Sons & Chaos in general will lose in the end... But I girl can dream that her favourite Legion might actually get playable rules, right?!
A pessimistic point of view:
Thousand Sons not only lose at the end but get completely wiped out which is the reason why they will not only get no new rules but also cut from the next CSM book (which will focus more on Standard Tzeentch CSM)
kodos wrote: A pessimistic point of view:
Thousand Sons not only lose at the end but get completely wiped out which is the reason why they will not only get no new rules but also cut from the next CSM book (which will focus more on Standard Tzeentch CSM)
They got new models from GW? I can only find the old Finecast Upgrade Set
Or are you talking about the 30k range which is something completely different
They got new models from GW? I can only find the old Finecast Upgrade Set
Or are you talking about the 30k range which is something completely different
Then it's my bad english (I translated "after this fall" as the fall of 2015, while the fall of 2016 I would have said "after next fall", is my translation wrong or is this just different saying)
Typically, "this" when referring to a time period is indicating the next one to occur. "Next" indicates the one after that (although this is ambiguous as some people use "next" instead of "this"). "Last" indicates the most recent one to have already occurred.
An example exchange:
"It’s Wednesday now so I’ll give you a ring next Friday."
"Wait, do you mean this coming Friday or the following one?"
"I mean this coming Friday. I’ll ring you this Friday. I’ll phone you on Friday."
Personally I'm expecting that GW will take the easy & ultra lazy way out with the new 1ksons box, and just keep them with their current garbage fire rules.
Sadly, that also means it's unlikely we'll finally get some actual themed upgrades for them like a Heavy bolter with a blast type inferno ammo round, or sorcerous kai guns, etc...
At the very least, it's best to expect the worse. No point getting our hopes up, considering GW up to now has been more than happy to keep CSM's 2-3+ editions out of date.
Not only an English problem. It is the same for German with the little problem that in Austria "next" and "this" time period is a little bit different than in Germany.
This Monday would be yesterday here while it would be Monday next week in the northern region
Given GWs track record, if thousand sons are in fenris part 2, then the campaign would come out when the models are released since GW wont release new models without rules, or so I've heard on Bolter and Chainsword.
So it's just a matter of when. If you believe summer, then the release will probably be in the summer. I don't see GW releasing models then waiting several months to come out with the rules.
pepsuber wrote: Given GWs track record, if thousand sons are in fenris part 2, then the campaign would come out when the models are released since GW wont release new models without rules, or so I've heard on Bolter and Chainsword.
So it's just a matter of when. If you believe summer, then the release will probably be in the summer. I don't see GW releasing models then waiting several months to come out with the rules.
I think Thousand Sons already have rules. And a model with rules has a lot going for them.
pepsuber wrote: Given GWs track record, if thousand sons are in fenris part 2, then the campaign would come out when the models are released since GW wont release new models without rules, or so I've heard on Bolter and Chainsword.
So it's just a matter of when. If you believe summer, then the release will probably be in the summer. I don't see GW releasing models then waiting several months to come out with the rules.
I think Thousand Sons already have rules. And a model with rules has a lot going for them.
Calling what the poor 1ksons currently have as "rules" is being rather generous.
Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over! Starting today, and continuing until October, expect the continuation of the saga that started in Curse of the Wulfen, written by yours truly. The sequel novel will be serialised in eight ebook chapters, starting with The Lost King today. All eight will be collected into a full, physical novel at the end of the year. And best of all, the first chapter is free to download!
.. Russ' boys are in a tight spot though eh ?
The end of 1st part did indicate DA bombardment started. Would be kinda boring if that didn't amount to anything. Especially as it's not like Fenris getting bombed would mean Wolves would be out for good. Could give them interesting twist.
And wish there was less of the macro-chaos whining. Boring, off topic. Somebody forgot to turn off their macro that spams every thread with same boring "heard it 100000 times already" whining.
skarsol wrote: Typically, "this" when referring to a time period is indicating the next one to occur. "Next" indicates the one after that (although this is ambiguous as some people use "next" instead of "this"). "Last" indicates the most recent one to have already occurred.
An example exchange:
"It’s Wednesday now so I’ll give you a ring next Friday."
"Wait, do you mean this coming Friday or the following one?"
"I mean this coming Friday. I’ll ring you this Friday. I’ll phone you on Friday."
English is... vague.
...unless you happen to live in one of the many English-speaking areas that handle such a thing ever so slightly differently. Yay English!
skarsol wrote: Typically, "this" when referring to a time period is indicating the next one to occur. "Next" indicates the one after that (although this is ambiguous as some people use "next" instead of "this"). "Last" indicates the most recent one to have already occurred.
An example exchange:
"It’s Wednesday now so I’ll give you a ring next Friday."
"Wait, do you mean this coming Friday or the following one?"
"I mean this coming Friday. I’ll ring you this Friday. I’ll phone you on Friday."
English is... vague.
...unless you happen to live in one of the many English-speaking areas that handle such a thing ever so slightly differently. Yay English!
Experiment 626 wrote: Personally I'm expecting that GW will take the easy & ultra lazy way out with the new 1ksons box, and just keep them with their current garbage fire rules.
Sadly, that also means it's unlikely we'll finally get some actual themed upgrades for them like a Heavy bolter with a blast type inferno ammo round, or sorcerous kai guns, etc...
At the very least, it's best to expect the worse. No point getting our hopes up, considering GW up to now has been more than happy to keep CSM's 2-3+ editions out of date.
Exactly - don't give in the most damning of Tzeentch's principles: hope. In GW's eyes, the Rubricae don't have rules for those weapons now, so there's no reason to include them in the kit. Logic! Now, of course the catch-22 will be that when it comes time to write the new rules, they'll look at the kit and see the lack of options, thus not writing them in. More logic! And the cycle continues.
But that's okay: Warzone Fenris II: The Wolfening will include a new formation to bring a Rune Priest (who can take extra mastery levels and chose his disciplines like normal) with a squad of acolytes, who all magically have ap3 bolters because of "frost rounds", are relentless, and can equip heavy weapons. And we'll throw in the Brotherhood of Psykers rule to the squad while we're at it.
Experiment 626 wrote: Personally I'm expecting that GW will take the easy & ultra lazy way out with the new 1ksons box, and just keep them with their current garbage fire rules.
Sadly, that also means it's unlikely we'll finally get some actual themed upgrades for them like a Heavy bolter with a blast type inferno ammo round, or sorcerous kai guns, etc...
At the very least, it's best to expect the worse. No point getting our hopes up, considering GW up to now has been more than happy to keep CSM's 2-3+ editions out of date.
Exactly - don't give in the most damning of Tzeentch's principles: hope. In GW's eyes, the Rubricae don't have rules for those weapons now, so there's no reason to include them in the kit. Logic! Now, of course the catch-22 will be that when it comes time to write the new rules, they'll look at the kit and see the lack of options, thus not writing them in. More logic! And the cycle continues.
But that's okay: Warzone Fenris II: The Wolfening will include a new formation to bring a Rune Priest (who can take extra mastery levels and chose his disciplines like normal) with a squad of acolytes, who all magically have ap3 bolters because of "frost rounds", are relentless, and can equip heavy weapons. And we'll throw in the Brotherhood of Psykers rule to the squad while we're at it.
And they'll only be 18pts/model for the Acolytes, who will also come with a 5++ because of their 'Frost Aura' magically stopping enemy bullets.
Nevelon wrote: 1000-1 for the most probable outcome? Someone doesn’t know how to set odds.
Nah. It's so that SW/Imperial players in general can feel that much more amazing about their army because they "overcame all the odds" and won in the end... somehow.
Gotta keep stroking that massive Loyalist ego and remind the Mary Sues how they always win in the end.
People keep saying stuff like this, but I'm pretty sure we didn't collectively hallucinate GW blowing up an entire game system and setting not too long ago - we're not dealing with the same people who rolled back Storm of Chaos because it didn't generate the result they wanted, whoever's calling the shots at the studio right now might well just be crazed enough to pull the trigger on some mental storyline where Fenris blows up and the SW go renegade/all turn into Wulfen/retire and take up basketweaving. And hey, evidently some people like the idea of engaging with a fictional setting where the core character of their favoured faction could be radically changed at any moment on the whim of someone at GWHQ, or even just Squatted/Warhammered entirely, so I guess we'll see if GW continues playing Russian Roulette with the background in every new release and whether said group of people is big enough to sustain the company. But we're not in a place anymore where we can rule out what, to us, seem like completely irrational or disproportionate changes.
All joking aside, it would be pretty awesome if Part II brings an all-new Lang Fangs kit that includes Helfrost Cannons in lieu of Grav Cannons w/amp for SW players.
The basic Puppy frame is pretty 'meh' overall for building 'grizzled & centuries old, long-toothed veterans', (not enough bald heads & long beards imho!), and Frost cannons would be a nice touch in keeping SW's vastly different from basic 'codex' Chapters.
Add in the missing Great Company formations, plus update the Dreadnought profile, and then finish the campaign off with an 'all-in-one' updated codex and SW's are good to go.
Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over! Starting today, and continuing until October, expect the continuation of the saga that started in Curse of the Wulfen, written by yours truly. The sequel novel will be serialised in eight ebook chapters, starting with The Lost King today. All eight will be collected into a full, physical novel at the end of the year. And best of all, the first chapter is free to download!
.. Russ' boys are in a tight spot though eh ?
The end of 1st part did indicate DA bombardment started. Would be kinda boring if that didn't amount to anything. Especially as it's not like Fenris getting bombed would mean Wolves would be out for good. Could give them interesting twist.
And wish there was less of the macro-chaos whining. Boring, off topic. Somebody forgot to turn off their macro that spams every thread with same boring "heard it 100000 times already" whining.
Actualy, The annihilation of Fenris would whipe out the Space Wolves, With a bit of time. As Space Wovles Geneseed only works with people from the planet Fenris (Thats why Space Wolves have no successors and why the only successor they had failed.)
Actualy, The annihilation of Fenris would whipe out the Space Wolves, With a bit of time. As Space Wovles Geneseed only works with people from the planet Fenris
How do you explain the thousands of Space Wolves that existed before the Imperium found Fenris?
Actualy, The annihilation of Fenris would whipe out the Space Wolves, With a bit of time. As Space Wovles Geneseed only works with people from the planet Fenris
How do you explain the thousands of Space Wolves that existed before the Imperium found Fenris?
That doesn't sound any more wiped out than a chaos legion. It would just give the chapter a tragic "no hope of surviving" vibe that lets them do even crazier things.
Don't the space wolves also have way more marines than other chapters?
decker_cky wrote: Don't the space wolves also have way more marines than other chapters?
They are larger, but not by an order of magnitude. They would be legion strength if it wasn't for their recruiting world's small population and their stubborn refusal to wear helmets.
BrianDavion wrote: so I heard a rumor that apparently Russ is slated to return but "you aren't going to like what happens"
He returns as a giant wulfen.
that's my guess too. honestly the return rumor is one I don't give much credit but with the 13th company back they ARE gonna have to explain where Russ has got too.
He is not in a FW 30k book yet. Still waiting on his legion and Thousand sons
At one of the FW open day panels, they said the design team was having a hard time with game balance with Thousand Sons and existing legions. If I recall correctly.
Considering that he's been in the warp for 10,000 years and that the wulfen curse is at least partially a sort of space wolf immunity reaction to the warp, Russ being a giant wulfen is actually one of the more logical things to expect, to the point where it'd almost be complete bull gak if he wasn't a wulfen (then you'd have to ask how he avoided mutating for 10,000 years).
It would also provide a fluff explanation for Magnus' smug proclamation in the old Space Wolf novel that he knew where Russ was (IE, Magnus saying "Haha, Russ literally is a dumb animal now.") although I dunno if GW cares to reference such a thing.
If he gets a model, making him a giant wulfen also ensures he'll be significantly different from his 30k Forge World version, and that's pretty important, I think. If GW ever does introduce primarchs to 40k, I'm sure "Don't overlap with Forgeworld" is going to be one of their primary considerations.
Triszin wrote: Source on the rumor? otherwise I call BS.
then I still call BS once I get the source.
it's of the "I heard it from the guy running my local GW" variaty. I for the record don't put very much stock it in eaither. you're welcome to call BS, I mean I think it's most likely that too
Sidstyler wrote: That's why you have the stormsurge, just stomp on them. And xenos aren't "supposed" to win games anyway.
I will laugh my ass off if he really does get a model and he's just a giant, goofy-looking wulfen. God, 40k is getting so stupid.
Right. Is this why most of the time the Imperium loses in the story? Because It feels like the Imperium's major victories have been costly at best. The latest Tau campaign book was a shining example of this.
Currently, the major power players in 40K are Xenos armies. Necrons, Tau Eldar.... Or are those all imperial armies?
Yes, and it pisses people off, doesn't it? Hence why I said xenos aren't "supposed" to win...because when they do, people bitch. When xenos armies can hold their own on the tabletop and be competitive, as opposed to the NPC/comedic relief pushover races like Tyranids and Orks, who just die like they're "supposed" to and barely even put up a fight, people bitch. In the fluff, if the Imperium doesn't outright stamp out a xenos race and wipe them from the setting, and with regards to Tau at least is what a lot of people seem to desperately want, people bitch.
And when the Imperium "loses" it doesn't really feel like a loss to me. The Imperium is so massive that losing a planet here or there hardly seems to matter. Their recent "loss" to the Tau probably hurt their ego more than anything else. I can safely say the result of War Zone Damocles didn't mean a fething thing to me and the only reason I was at all interested in it were the updated FSE rules, which came out on their own later anyway. I kinda wish the Imperium did win in the end because it would have made Imperial fanboys feel better, without affecting anything else, really. They'd still keep producing Tau models, I'd still get to keep playing my army, and that's all I give a gak about in the end.
Well, the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master effected me, if only because it made me sad that Captain, Now Chapter Master, Shrike's rules are so terribly crap.
Tau lost Aun'va, too, who was a pretty important character with a model that's been around for about 10 years. And even that isn't really a big deal because he was replaced with a hologram.
Nothing was really "lost", though. The Raven Guard still have a chapter master (and this one actually has a model), the Tau still kinda have Aun'va, and we can both keep playing with our toys. Well, theoretically we could, since I play Tau I'm effectively not "allowed" to play 40k anymore as no one in their right mind would agree to a game with me as long as I'm bringing them. Isn't being a "power player" in 40k great?!
Hey, I don't even play 40k that much anymore. 30k is waaaay better balanced, and the marines have actual flavour instead of just being super-friends and Gladius. Also, hey, if you don't bring a Riptide wing and two stormsurges, Id be happy to play you. Won't even bring a LoW if you don't want me to
Sidstyler wrote: Yes, and it pisses people off, doesn't it? Hence why I said xenos aren't "supposed" to win...because when they do, people bitch. When xenos armies can hold their own on the tabletop and be competitive, as opposed to the NPC/comedic relief pushover races like Tyranids and Orks, who just die like they're "supposed" to and barely even put up a fight, people bitch. In the fluff, if the Imperium doesn't outright stamp out a xenos race and wipe them from the setting, and with regards to Tau at least is what a lot of people seem to desperately want, people bitch.
And when the Imperium "loses" it doesn't really feel like a loss to me. The Imperium is so massive that losing a planet here or there hardly seems to matter. Their recent "loss" to the Tau probably hurt their ego more than anything else. I can safely say the result of War Zone Damocles didn't mean a fething thing to me and the only reason I was at all interested in it were the updated FSE rules, which came out on their own later anyway. I kinda wish the Imperium did win in the end because it would have made Imperial fanboys feel better, without affecting anything else, really. They'd still keep producing Tau models, I'd still get to keep playing my army, and that's all I give a gak about in the end.
As much as there are whiners of the Tau there is an equally large fanbase. I've heard the Riptide sold insane amounts and made mad cash for them. The Tau are sneaky like that. We started off small and even small fanbase but as the years go by we're progressing further than any of the other factions. Look at our last update. All the new models and great rules we got. The Tau haters can go suck it. The Ta'unar Supremacy Armor sold out at FW and they demand was unprecedented. It won't be long until we have Warzone Ultramar: Kauyon & Mont'ka. We'll probably lose, but hey imagine how awesome big our faction would have to be to pull that ballsey move. Our day is coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj3-VkbRSKQ
I wish all the Xenos got such love and attention maybe more people would play them then.
Well it really sounds like they've been dropping hints over the years that he's changed or mutated somehow, then. Wulfenruss could actually be a thing.
They would have made him their master. Beastlord. Wolfheart. The Wild King. They would have crowned him with savagery and robed him with hunger. He refused. He was not like them. Not yet.
That truth pained him, he could not deny it. There was something inside, something in all of them, that refused to ever be tamed. While the hearth-fires burned low it would rather be hunting in the snow, while weapons lay at rest it would rather sink fang and claw deep into preyflesh. Even some of those he had known the longest had succumbed to it. Scarpelt and Harok, Haghmund and Olfar. Long-fangs and grey-pelts all, given over to the Beast Within. They said the same thing, each one of them. The Wolftime was coming. Leadership was needed. Would he join them?
That was not his way, he reminded himself over and over. There was savagery, yes, but it was cold, calculated, unleashed only when the moment was right. The savagery the others now possessed burned bright, was blind to reason. It was the hungry rage that flung the wolf into the huntsman’s trap.
They were late. The warp was playing its usual tricks, seeking to confound and infuriate them. Fury made the Beast stronger. It made more of his warriors turn. They had been bound for the Fenris System for what felt like a lifetime. The other Great Companies were already there, already fighting, already dying, already writing their sagas on Midgardia, Svellgard and Frostheim. The thought pushed him even closer to the edge. He took a long, shuddering breath, trying to clear his head.
Soon they would be home. Whether it would be as beasts or as men, he did not know. There was only one certainty. He would make all those who defiled Fenris pay."
the way it's worded. I don't think this is Bran, ragnar or any other wolf lord.
Did some cross referencing:
Scarpelt: "Frostclaws" Brothe Scarpelt, 9th Pack, Pack "Frostclaw"
Harok: Wolf Guard Harok, Honoured 3rd Pack
Haghmund: Wolf Guard Haghmund, Honoured 3rd Pack
Olfar: Wolf Guard Olfar, Honoured 3rd Pack
THese are all named members of Bran Redmaws chapter.
SO I'm guessing this "might" lead into a forgeworld release of Bran Redmaw in conjuction with the spacewolf upgrade kits releasing from forgeworld?
I'm not sure he's correct about FW releasing a model for the person he names, but seeing as we do know that HHSW stuff is coming wouldn't perhaps be too surprising if there was some "compatibility" between whats released.
I would love for the Redmaw to be released, even though I already made both versions...
I am hoping he has wulfen in the core formation. I only really want one pack to be totally honest. I have enough for the murderpack, but had to drop a bunch of bloodclaws, a wolf priest terminator, and a bastion to fit them into my 2000 point list...
TiamatRoar wrote: Considering that he's been in the warp for 10,000 years and that the wulfen curse is at least partially a sort of space wolf immunity reaction to the warp, Russ being a giant wulfen is actually one of the more logical things to expect, to the point where it'd almost be complete bull gak if he wasn't a wulfen (then you'd have to ask how he avoided mutating for 10,000 years).
It would also provide a fluff explanation for Magnus' smug proclamation in the old Space Wolf novel that he knew where Russ was (IE, Magnus saying "Haha, Russ literally is a dumb animal now.") although I dunno if GW cares to reference such a thing.
If he gets a model, making him a giant wulfen also ensures he'll be significantly different from his 30k Forge World version, and that's pretty important, I think. If GW ever does introduce primarchs to 40k, I'm sure "Don't overlap with Forgeworld" is going to be one of their primary considerations.
Have they changed the 13th Company fluff? I don't have the new stuff, but the majority of the 13th in the Eye of Terror campaign bore very slight stigmata of the Curse of the Wolfen to resist the Warp, but were all still Space Marines. They just were elite Crusade-era brothers so were all as skilled as any Wolf Guard.
I shudder at the thought of them all being changed to be Wolfen, especially Russ. And there was never any mention of whether they actually found Russ or not.....
I am hoping he has wulfen in the core formation. I only really want one pack to be totally honest. I have enough for the murderpack, but had to drop a bunch of bloodclaws, a wolf priest terminator, and a bastion to fit them into my 2000 point list...
This would definitely interest me as well, as I'd love to build up a (much!) smaller Space Puppy force to sit alongside my Tzeentchians. And Redmaw's Great Company would definitely be the one I'd go for, since it would still in part feel 'Chaosy' with the fact he & his company are the most touched by the Wulfen curse.
So if Russ comes back for this big fight (wolfen or not) and El' Johnson sleeps within The Rock (presumably not smelling any cooking) what are the chances this kicks off the return of the Lion? As The Rock hangs in orbit over Fenris.
BrotherGecko wrote: So if Russ comes back for this big fight (wolfen or not) and El' Johnson sleeps within The Rock (presumably not smelling any cooking) what are the chances this kicks off the return of the Lion? As The Rock hangs in orbit over Fenris.
You already know, given current GW writing, that any 40k fight between Magnus and Russ will leave Magnus defeated in a very embarrassing one way fight.
Corax: Beats up twelve Dreadnoughts, at least one of which was a Contemptor. (HH3 Extermination) Magnus: Gets beaten up by a Dreadnought, a Wolf Lord, and a Wolf Guard.
Would be awesome for Lion to reawaken, see the monster Russ has turned into, kills the heretic abomination. Later reunites with Guilliman who is healing, and together help save the imperium. LOL
Reading about the Primarchs from all the different sources...you can really tell who GW don't love.
At least Mortarion isn't a crybaby/tantrum throwing rage machine/Snively Whiplash/Emo Kid/Preener/Idiot who ignored a decree and broke the Astronomican.
Mortarion's just an angry man who wages war the good old fashioned way.
via Mauler on Faeit 212
Speaking of Space Wolves, Natfka, I bumped into an old mate last night who had a chap with him who I'd not met before. He said that he knew people working at GW, said that they were working on Warzone: Fenris pt2 at the moment and showed me two grainy photos.
I assume that the delay in pt2 is down to the models involved as one pic was of Thousand Sons in ornate armour that I'd not seen before and the other pic was of a daemonic Magnus. Hard to make out details on him from memory but there was a fair bit of blue & red on him and I vaguely remember something like blue pinions outstretched from his back but I'm not sure if they were wings. Clearly a departure from a Primarch Magnus from FW.
And a plastic Magnus from GW was the last thing I expected to see. It looked legit, but I don't know the chap, so..
Can't get a copy of the pics as they're secret squirrel, but my chum confirms that there are wings on Magnus and it's GW plastic, not FW resin.
zamerion wrote: via Mauler on Faeit 212
Speaking of Space Wolves, Natfka, I bumped into an old mate last night who had a chap with him who I'd not met before. He said that he knew people working at GW, said that they were working on Warzone: Fenris pt2 at the moment and showed me two grainy photos.
I assume that the delay in pt2 is down to the models involved as one pic was of Thousand Sons in ornate armour that I'd not seen before and the other pic was of a daemonic Magnus. Hard to make out details on him from memory but there was a fair bit of blue & red on him and I vaguely remember something like blue pinions outstretched from his back but I'm not sure if they were wings. Clearly a departure from a Primarch Magnus from FW.
And a plastic Magnus from GW was the last thing I expected to see. It looked legit, but I don't know the chap, so..
Can't get a copy of the pics as they're secret squirrel, but my chum confirms that there are wings on Magnus and it's GW plastic, not FW resin.
zamerion wrote: via Mauler on Faeit 212
Speaking of Space Wolves, Natfka, I bumped into an old mate last night who had a chap with him who I'd not met before. He said that he knew people working at GW, said that they were working on Warzone: Fenris pt2 at the moment and showed me two grainy photos.
I assume that the delay in pt2 is down to the models involved as one pic was of Thousand Sons in ornate armour that I'd not seen before and the other pic was of a daemonic Magnus. Hard to make out details on him from memory but there was a fair bit of blue & red on him and I vaguely remember something like blue pinions outstretched from his back but I'm not sure if they were wings. Clearly a departure from a Primarch Magnus from FW.
And a plastic Magnus from GW was the last thing I expected to see. It looked legit, but I don't know the chap, so..
Can't get a copy of the pics as they're secret squirrel, but my chum confirms that there are wings on Magnus and it's GW plastic, not FW resin.
Working on it? That would mean it would be released like next year earliest...Like 2nd quarter.
Sounds plausible. There were reports from the latest GW event mentioning that Daemon Primarchs have a good chance be released in plastic from GW instead of being made by FW. The four Daemon Primarchs were part of the Epic/Space Marine army list for Chaos, 40k era, and had models.
Warhams-77 wrote: Sounds plausible. There were reports from the latest Forgeworld Open day mentioning that Daemon Primarchs have a good chance be released in plastic from GW instead of being made by FW. The four Daemon Primarchs were part of the Epic/Space Marine army list for Chaos, 40k era, and had models.
Well short of GW going down and shutting down their business before it happens those are pretty much inevitable. Question is just when they will release them.
To quote the X-files tagline, "I want to believe" Considering all the recent large scale special character kits GW have made for fantasy, combined with the rumour chatter about Tzeentch releases, some kind of 40k end times style story progression and the comment from Warhammer fest about plastic demon primarches its not outside the realms of possibility.
Of course it could also be total wish listing using existing rumours as a base. Guess we will know more either way towards the end of the year.
Warhams-77 wrote: You mean the classic myth of GW producing Primarchs?
Myth no more.
A lot of people over the years claimed the GDs were all finished and claimed they saw them (talking about myths).
All of them curiously missed this particular vintage-epic-inspired-villain next to the only recently finished LoC his design portfolio.
Remember the Warhammer Fest comment about things changing, but not quite as drastic as End Times/AoS? 40K is on the move.
Yes And good news, crazy Daemon Magnus was always one of my favourite. Thanks for chiming in!
Also Atia on B&C - repeating her comment from May
Atia, on 17 May 2016 - 3:25 PM, said:
Howdy Guys and Girls!
I'm home now, so it's time to write a full write up for the Warhammer Fest information I got in the last days. This is all I got, and there are some exciting things, probably spoiler, and some other snippets I got.
[...]
Warhammer 40k:
- There were whispers about a "shake up" for 40k later this year, not as quite as AoS had thought.
- Simon Egan said he probably won't do the Daemon Primarchs. "There is more interesting stuff you can do with them in plastic". Too bad we don't know a major campaign/story arc where the Daemon Primarchs come back alongside the whole power of chaos ....
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Epic miniature... it aged badly
Well, Panda just popped into the HH boardgame thread to say that we are getting both 30k and 40k Tsons. Maybe we can summon him here to confirm/deny the magnus rumor?
Malika2 wrote: So a guy who posts on some unreliable site runs into some friend who has another friend who knows somebody who works at GW?
OMG!!!!
Ha ha, exactly what I was thinking.
At this point I am not sure what to believe, we have heard of no new chaos book until late next year, and no edition change until next summer, yet we are hearing conflicting rumors of a possible 8th this fall and WZ Fenris2 having some major expansions to chaos?
I'll just paint my dudesmen and see what time tells I think. As neat as these rumors are/would be, far too much is in conflict and 3rd or 4th hand.
Swampmist wrote: Well, Panda just popped into the HH boardgame thread to say that we are getting both 30k and 40k Tsons. Maybe we can summon him here to confirm/deny the magnus rumor?
He did, to sum it up
- Thousand Sons models for 30k and 40k in plastic (as part of next Horus Heresy board game and Warzone Fenris II or whatever it will be called)
- Magnus The Red in plastic from GW (part of the continuation of the 40k storyline of WZ: F II)
- Lord of Change in plastic from the same artist (which is going to come at the end of the Tzeentch releases)
Swampmist wrote: Well, Panda just popped into the HH boardgame thread to say that we are getting both 30k and 40k Tsons. Maybe we can summon him here to confirm/deny the magnus rumor?
He did, to sum it up
- Thousand Sons models for 30k and 40k in plastic (as part of next Horus Heresy board game and Warzone Fenris II or whatever it will be called)
- Magnus The Red in plastic from GW (part of the continuation of the 40k storyline of WZ: F II)
- Lord of Change in plastic from the same artist (which is going to come at the end of the Tzeentch releases)
Warhams-77 wrote: You mean the classic myth of GW producing Primarchs?
I'm talking about logic. Why WOULDN'T GW produce them? Their design capabilities are up for it and you can be sure that short of them screwing up design in epic catastrophic style they will sell like cold water in sahara...
It's "print me some money!" button waiting for GW to push it. Only reason they haven't pushed it yet is they have had enough of those buttons to press. Don't want to press them all or you are competing with your "let's print money!" buttons
According to the Black Library the eBook series currently continuing the Warzone Fenris storyline will end in October. That makes it likely another campaign book will be released then.
Sad Panda's comments regarding the release timeline starting with the oldest
Warhams-77 wrote: You mean the classic myth of GW producing Primarchs?
I'm talking about logic. Why WOULDN'T GW produce them? Their design capabilities are up for it and you can be sure that short of them screwing up design in epic catastrophic style they will sell like cold water in sahara...
It's "print me some money!" button waiting for GW to push it. Only reason they haven't pushed it yet is they have had enough of those buttons to press. Don't want to press them all or you are competing with your "let's print money!" buttons
True. Now they do, although in small slices it seems
So if 1000 Sons are going to be in the next HH box set, will the other half be Space Wolves? It would be interesting to have the Wolves attacking Prospero in 30k and the 1000 Sons to be attacking Fenris is 40k.
Warhams-77 wrote: You mean the classic myth of GW producing Primarchs?
I'm talking about logic. Why WOULDN'T GW produce them? Their design capabilities are up for it and you can be sure that short of them screwing up design in epic catastrophic style they will sell like cold water in sahara...
It's "print me some money!" button waiting for GW to push it. Only reason they haven't pushed it yet is they have had enough of those buttons to press. Don't want to press them all or you are competing with your "let's print money!" buttons
To answer the "why wouldn't they?" question, because the Heresy, Primarchs etc are supposedly the background not the game. I forget who, but someone of the ilk of Chambers, Priestley etc once said that 30K as we now know it getting released was the "in case of emergency, break glass" option that would be a clear sign that GW were struggling. Personally I think that's creatively rather than financially, but shifting a few more boxes of Space Marines was sorely needed too.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's a ceiling on the number of awesome models that can be released into the world, but I think outside of the TS which have needed updating for forever, this is an indicator of a lack of new ideas coming out of the studio.
Why the TS are suddenly singled out? From no love at all they are getting 30K and 4OK and a plastic Magnus? Something doesn't add up unless it's a preview of a bigger CSM wave following that game.
Yaraton wrote: Why the TS are suddenly singled out? From no love at all they are getting 30K and 4OK and a plastic Magnus? Something doesn't add up unless it's a preview of a bigger CSM wave following that game.
Because they fit in with the campaign series they're doing atm (Fenris), tie in with the 30k Prospero book, and haven't been touched for years so need an update?
I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest. 40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
Yaraton wrote: Why the TS are suddenly singled out? From no love at all they are getting 30K and 4OK and a plastic Magnus? Something doesn't add up unless it's a preview of a bigger CSM wave following that game.
Got to start somewhere?
For a change non khorne/non nurgle release. While those are good also fun to get some other gods stuff for a change.
Expect others to come later.
Then time to start wondering if loyalist primarches start to make comebacks. Several potential ones there too.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest. 40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
You can't really use something focussed entirely on the Heresy and pre Codex Marines for M36. 40K would be better for expanding fluff in the pre 40k era.
I dont know. Maybe it is because I started with Epic - but it wasnt uncommon to play games in the 40k universe with Daemon Primarchs and re-create large scale conflicts.
The Armageddon 40k campaign with legendary Ghazghkull. It came first in the Wargame Series strategy board game. Within a few months they introduced the setting to Epic and 40k as well. There werent even novels about it yet. I liked those hex-tile games by Jervis Johnson (with stories from Bill King).
The 1st War for Armageddon board game featuring Angron was much more compelling than reading a small fluff text in Waaagh: Ghazghkull.
Leman Russ had a 28mm model in 1st Edition 40k. Primarch models in 28mm is nothing new. Models and rules are already available in FW's HH.
Now being able to play such epic, historic events again is cool in my opinion.
I'm looking forward to the continuation of the 40k universe. A return of Lion El Johnson and Leman Russ? Fighting Magnus and maybe Mortarion and Angron? Sounds like pretty interesting campaigns to me.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest. 40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
You can't really use something focussed entirely on the Heresy and pre Codex Marines for M36. 40K would be better for expanding fluff in the pre 40k era.
Fantasy wasn't exactly advanced. More crushed.
I'm pretty sure FW are planning to do a Scouring series after the Heresy stuff so that would probably be good for the time between 30k and 40k.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
Azreal13 wrote: To answer the "why wouldn't they?" question, because the Heresy, Primarchs etc are supposedly the background not the game. I forget who, but someone of the ilk of Chambers, Priestley etc once said that 30K as we now know it getting released was the "in case of emergency, break glass" option that would be a clear sign that GW were struggling. Personally I think that's creatively rather than financially, but shifting a few more boxes of Space Marines was sorely needed too.
Your last sentence is the important piece. Priestley is a creative professional. Most businesses don't put good product ideas that'd be highly popular and profitable in some imaginary glass box because they're afraid of what it might say about them on a creative level.
I welcome the arrival of Daemon Prince Magnus, if only because it means that Daemon Prince Angron may not be *too* far behind.
I'm very hyped about the possibility of getting my thousand sons cheaper and with better models.
I'm kind of afraid of the Magnus release because this is the first Primarch they'll introduce, so it will very much be testing the waters. He could be very overpowered, which would be welcome change for CSM, but not for very long because OP stuff gets boring really quickly.
Alternatively, he could be very 'meh' or worse, in which case GW will probably up the ante for the primarchs to come, leaving him in a crippled, nearly useless state because of his lack of power compared to other primarchs.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
Welcome, to the Silver Tower of Rountree. Hard plastic scenic bases/basing kits, Tzaangors, Genestealer Cults, Horus Heresy boxed games... Truly GW is becoming as mercurial as the Lord of Change...
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
Welcome, to the Silver Tower of Rountree. Hard plastic scenic bases/basing kits, Tzaangors, Genestealer Cults, Horus Heresy boxed games... Truly GW is becoming as mercurial as the Lord of Change...
Everything you just said is reminding me how much I am loving about the Age of Roundtree. Starting with "Start Collecting Boxes", through today, its like a different GW, and I love it.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
Welcome, to the Silver Tower of Rountree. Hard plastic scenic bases/basing kits, Tzaangors, Genestealer Cults, Horus Heresy boxed games... Truly GW is becoming as mercurial as the Lord of Change...
Everything you just said is reminding me how much I am loving about the Age of Roundtree. Starting with "Start Collecting Boxes", through today, its like a different GW, and I love it.
Exactly. I went from buying only GW paint to doubling my daemon army and buying Calth, Renegade and Silver Tower. Plus 5 SC boxes. May Rountree run the company until I grow too old to paint!
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
Welcome, to the Silver Tower of Rountree. Hard plastic scenic bases/basing kits, Tzaangors, Genestealer Cults, Horus Heresy boxed games... Truly GW is becoming as mercurial as the Lord of Change...
So I assume he is like some messiah now? He is not the true messiah until he updates Tyranids and Chaos. *please pretty please* Ha I am joking yeah he is doing good it seems many of the GW managers/area managers like his changes.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't think it's the studio running out of ideas. It's the realisation that you have to progress things if you want to maintain interest.40k and Fantasy had both stagnated. You can only mash the retcon button so many times before folks get bored and would like to see the storyline move along. Granted, there's 10000 years of the past to go through. But you can use the 30K stuff for that, I guess.
So you mean that GW has finally realised that the game's oldest core army model line, that has had all of 4 whopping new plastic kits over the past 9-10 years and which is missing half more of it's basic options, might possibly be the reason people are bored with said army?!
Maybe there's a small ray of hope yet for GW!?
For what's supposedly a 'model company first and foremost', they sure seem to have a hate-on for one of their most iconic & story-important model lines, eh?
That was the business vampire Kirby that said that. Curse his name!
Glad to hear the timeline may move forward a bit- hopefully not just pushing more things in before the final hour but actually diving headfirst into the next millennium.
All this chaos stuff is fine and dandy, but we need more focus on the real threat to the galaxy- Tyranids.
This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Pretty much this. I am not a fan of the huge centerpiece plastic model company that GW has become in the last little while.
Knights, do we really need them in 40k? No. Baneblades and titans do we really need them in 40k? No. Huge Tau suits do we really need them in 40k? No. Flyers do we need them in 40k? No.
Even Apoc im not a huge fan of. Huge set piece battles was the domain on SpaceMarine/Epic40k, it worked in those games. There is WAY to much crap in 40k now. The scale of the game is way to small to represent what we have on the table now. Unless you are playing on a huge table everything is just piled onto the table, you move forward and take stuff of the table when you roll bad. There really is no thought to it. Just place, move, roll, remove models while your opponent tries not to fall asleep due to the I go You go design that is 20 years out of date. It's way to complicated and not complex enough
Thank god for FW and the Heresy era stuff....and 'other' ways to get models.
I have VERY low expectations for the Magnus model in plastic. Mono-posed with horrible undercuts while trying to look 'heroic' and 'epic' and trying way to hard and failing big time, just like with the wolfen models. So much potential in theory, but so much fail in execution.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Pretty much this. I am not a fan of the huge centerpiece plastic model company that GW has become in the last little while.
Knights, do we really need them in 40k? No. Baneblades and titans do we really need them in 40k? No. Huge Tau suits do we really need them in 40k? No. Flyers do we need them in 40k? No.
Even Apoc im not a huge fan of. Huge set piece battles was the domain on SpaceMarine/Epic40k, it worked in those games. There is WAY to much crap in 40k now. The scale of the game is way to small to represent what we have on the table now. Unless you are playing on a huge table everything is just piled onto the table, you move forward and take stuff of the table when you roll bad. There really is no thought to it. Just place, move, roll, remove models while your opponent tries not to fall asleep due to the I go You go design that is 20 years out of date. It's way to complicated and not complex enough
Thank god for FW and the Heresy era stuff....and 'other' ways to get models.
I have VERY low expectations for the Magnus model in plastic. Mono-posed with horrible undercuts while trying to look 'heroic' and 'epic' and trying way to hard and failing big time, just like with the wolfen models. So much potential in theory, but so much fail in execution.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?
Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Pretty much this. I am not a fan of the huge centerpiece plastic model company that GW has become in the last little while.
Knights, do we really need them in 40k? No. Baneblades and titans do we really need them in 40k? No. Huge Tau suits do we really need them in 40k? No. Flyers do we need them in 40k? No.
Even Apoc im not a huge fan of. Huge set piece battles was the domain on SpaceMarine/Epic40k, it worked in those games. There is WAY to much crap in 40k now. The scale of the game is way to small to represent what we have on the table now. Unless you are playing on a huge table everything is just piled onto the table, you move forward and take stuff of the table when you roll bad. There really is no thought to it. Just place, move, roll, remove models while your opponent tries not to fall asleep due to the I go You go design that is 20 years out of date. It's way to complicated and not complex enough
Thank god for FW and the Heresy era stuff....and 'other' ways to get models.
I have VERY low expectations for the Magnus model in plastic. Mono-posed with horrible undercuts while trying to look 'heroic' and 'epic' and trying way to hard and failing big time, just like with the wolfen models. So much potential in theory, but so much fail in execution.
That's fair enough but I very much like the diversity offered by being able to use infantry, tanks, flyers and titans in any given game. Adding lots of big plastic stuff doesn't immediately invalidate smaller models (except in some cases obviously), it just adds options to us as a player base and I find that to be extremely important - you don't have to play with the big models, and I definitely don't want them gone.
Ironically, you praise Forge World when they release not just the most expensive models but have by far the largest selection of huge-scale models; that's kind of their shtick. Not disagreeing though, 30K is awesome.
Now being able to play such epic, historic events again is cool in my opinion.
I'm looking forward to the continuation of the 40k universe. A return of Lion El Johnson and Leman Russ? Fighting Magnus and maybe Mortarion and Angron? Sounds like pretty interesting campaigns to me.
Strange thing is I read the same arguments how Warhammer will improve (turn cool again) with Nagash coming back.
And if Russ comes back, I will buy him if ge is not looking that bad.
But I don't think that this will help 40k to get better. It is just EndTi es for 40k, but GW learned from theur mistakes and now they do it better than with Warhammer (but the outcome will be the same)
Atia and Sad Panda have both confirmed what Mauler has said, meaning we're definitely getting a plastic Daemon Primarch Magnus the Red, a plastic Lord of Change, plastic 30K Thousand Sons and plastic 40K Thousand Sons. Exciting times ahead.....though I assume there will be more than one plastic Primarch. Can't wait to see how Magnus compares to Ae'taeos'rau'keres.
New Lord of change and other plastic Chaos? Yes Please!
Magnus? Ehhhhhhhh, not so much. He's only come out to kick the wolves, ONCE. We've yet to see any (that I know of) Magnusite Thousand Sons come out, the only ones we see are ahriminian exiles, and knowing GW, he'll probably be a generic big bad, who gets beat at the last minute when Russ pops out of the warp, and everybody craps their collective power pants. Hopefully these rumors are 30k and 40k getting accidentally mixed (since book 7 is apparently set to launch at the tail end of this year, so I've been told, at least.)
Brennonjw wrote: New Lord of change and other plastic Chaos? Yes Please!
Magnus? Ehhhhhhhh, not so much. He's only come out to kick the wolves, ONCE. We've yet to see any (that I know of) Magnusite Thousand Sons come out, the only ones we see are ahriminian exiles, and knowing GW, he'll probably be a generic big bad, who gets beat at the last minute when Russ pops out of the warp, and everybody craps their collective power pants. Hopefully these rumors are 30k and 40k getting accidentally mixed (since book 7 is apparently set to launch at the tail end of this year, so I've been told, at least.)
Would be first time with 30k and their FW books getting plastic releases then? Since Magnus is going to be plastic model.
This.... is a big shake up in the lore. How much do you want to bet Tau and all the other factions are on the brink of massive change?
I can't wait to see what happens to advance the Necrons and Dark Eldar. I had that crazy theory we'll see Slaanesh be defeated. Let's see if I'm right.
Brennonjw wrote: New Lord of change and other plastic Chaos? Yes Please!
Magnus? Ehhhhhhhh, not so much. He's only come out to kick the wolves, ONCE. We've yet to see any (that I know of) Magnusite Thousand Sons come out, the only ones we see are ahriminian exiles, and knowing GW, he'll probably be a generic big bad, who gets beat at the last minute when Russ pops out of the warp, and everybody craps their collective power pants. Hopefully these rumors are 30k and 40k getting accidentally mixed (since book 7 is apparently set to launch at the tail end of this year, so I've been told, at least.)
Would be first time with 30k and their FW books getting plastic releases then? Since Magnus is going to be plastic model.
I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines
My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.
Brennonjw wrote: I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines
My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.
The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.
And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.
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streetsamurai wrote: HOpefully they only release the daemons primarch and not the loyalist SM ones.
Having a human sized models (or barely above) being able to pretty much to beat by himself a whole army would make the game feels a bit too mangaish
They aren't beating alone whole armies in 30k. They wouldn't be all that much more powerful than that. Daemon primarches meanwhile would be candinates for power up.
I kind of hope they release all the surviving primarchs in plastic, which could theoretically be anyone but Sanguinius, Kurze, Ferrus Manus and Horus. Give them different war gear and rules from their 30k variants - Roboute Guilliman wielding the gauntlets of macragge, for example. Or Dorn with a big ass hammer and shield.
Who doesn't want to see the Great Khan on some crazy archaotech jet bike he liberated from Commoroagh, or Angron a giant hulking monster straight from hell? This could be the path to some glorious stuff coming out of GW, especially if they don't end these campaign books with 'the Imperium and galaxy are dead, gg time for reset'.
If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?
It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.
Sad Panda wrote: Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.
There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.
Thank you! Have you heard anything about Deathwatch also getting a box of multipart models or a plastic upgrade sprue in addition to the Codex and the re-released Deathwatch characters? The current metal bits are a bit disappointing to say the least.
Brennonjw wrote: I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines
My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.
The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.
And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.
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streetsamurai wrote: HOpefully they only release the daemons primarch and not the loyalist SM ones.
Having a human sized models (or barely above) being able to pretty much to beat by himself a whole army would make the game feels a bit too mangaish
They aren't beating alone whole armies in 30k. They wouldn't be all that much more powerful than that. Daemon primarches meanwhile would be candinates for power up.
That's not true still, as Forge World are doing their own pre heresy Magnus for 30k, and daemon Magnus is pretty obviously for 40k
Guys, the plastic Magnus is - from what we know - NOT being done by FW or a replacement for the FW one. The guy doing plastic Daemon Primarch Magnus is also doing the plastic Lord of Change per Sad Panda, meaning it is a GW designer. FW have confirmed that they are in the process of sculpting Magnus for 30K with one of their own designers.
Calm your horses!
@Gamgee
There's no need for Primarch-level characters in other factions if they don't have them in the background. Imperium/Chaos have always had more tools than other factions, adding Primarchs to them would be no different to any other big-model release. Besides, who needs a Primarch when you have a Titan?
Gamgee wrote: If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?
It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.
Shouldn't be too hard to come up with new LOW's.
Eldars already have pretty good answer...
The primarches in 30k aren't all powerful "let's eat wraithknights for lunch" level guys. Tough yes but hardly one man armies.
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Rygnan wrote: That's not true still, as Forge World are doing their own pre heresy Magnus for 30k, and daemon Magnus is pretty obviously for 40k
Yes but I was reffering to wish that the daemonic primarch would be 30k release. That model is plastic so if that was FW release(which could btw still be 30k release since Magnus turned during HH. So just 'cause it's daemonic doesn't mean it couldn't be 30k release.
But since it's going to be plastic model it would be first plastic 30k release from FW if it is not 40k release.
Kairos, I guess. Would be easy to add him. Or they could release two Lord of Change kits (one being Kairos - with another sprue- like they did with Skarbrand) and a Magnus kit.
Gamgee wrote: If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?
It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.
It's almost like Stormsurges have D weapons capable of blowing a Primarch away quite quickly.
Since we all know which faction you were talking about.
Gamgee wrote: If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?
It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.
Shouldn't be too hard to come up with new LOW's.
Eldars already have pretty good answer...
The primarches in 30k aren't all powerful "let's eat wraithknights for lunch" level guys. Tough yes but hardly one man armies.
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Rygnan wrote: That's not true still, as Forge World are doing their own pre heresy Magnus for 30k, and daemon Magnus is pretty obviously for 40k
Yes but I was reffering to wish that the daemonic primarch would be 30k release. That model is plastic so if that was FW release(which could btw still be 30k release since Magnus turned during HH. So just 'cause it's daemonic doesn't mean it couldn't be 30k release.
But since it's going to be plastic model it would be first plastic 30k release from FW if it is not 40k release.
For the second time, it is not being made by Forge World designers. A Games Workshop designer, per Sad Panda, handled Magnus and the upcoming Lord of Change. Forge World will do their own pre-daemon Magnus - in fact, they are already working on it and it is a separate designer - and, possibly, a resin Daemon Primarch Magnus as well. The Daemon Primarch Magnus that is going to come out this year is NOT a Forge World model.
On that note, have Forge World ever actually made a plastic kit?
Other Question: Are they rewriting his fluff a bit, or are they gonna show off these new guys with red armour? Are they ditching the whole 'ahirminian and magnusite' TS plot?
For the second time, it is not being made by Forge World designers. A Games Workshop designer, per Sad Panda, handled Magnus and the upcoming Lord of Change. Forge World will do their own pre-daemon Magnus - in fact, they are already working on it and it is a separate designer - and, possibly, a resin Daemon Primarch Magnus as well. The Daemon Primarch Magnus that is going to come out this year is NOT a Forge World model.
On that note, have Forge World ever actually made a plastic kit?
Yes I'm well aware of that. I'm trying to dispel hope of person here "please let it not be 40k primarch release but instead mistaken 30k release" idea touted earlier. Which for it to be happen would have to be first FW 30k release in plastic since it's going to be plastic model.
And by the way just because FW is making Magnus model pre-daemonhood doesn't preclude them doing daemon-Magnus...No reason whatsoever they can't release multiple versions of Primarch if they wish.
And no they haven't made plastic kit. THAT'S MY POINT! Guy wish "please let that plastic Magnus be 30k release rather than 40k release". I'm saying "for that to happen it would have to be first plastic release by HH".
Brennonjw wrote: New Lord of change and other plastic Chaos? Yes Please!
Magnus? Ehhhhhhhh, not so much. He's only come out to kick the wolves, ONCE. We've yet to see any (that I know of) Magnusite Thousand Sons come out, the only ones we see are ahriminian exiles, and knowing GW, he'll probably be a generic big bad, who gets beat at the last minute when Russ pops out of the warp, and everybody craps their collective power pants. Hopefully these rumors are 30k and 40k getting accidentally mixed (since book 7 is apparently set to launch at the tail end of this year, so I've been told, at least.)
You mean exactly like they did in Warhammer Fantasy where Archaon accomplished nothi..... waaaaaaaaaait a minute!
Now I'm not saying Magnus will be the lord of the end times, but GW has clearly shown that they're not afraid of letting an evil faction win some major battles.
Crazyterran wrote: Or even a Cult of Change book, like Khorne Daemonkin but with more blue and more mind bullets.
Sad Panda said earlier this wouldn't be the case, as Khorne Daemonkin was a shoe-horned release to introduce the Bloodthirster. It would appear the Tzeentch release has been planned reliably for a while now.
Brennonjw wrote: I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines
My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.
The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.
And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.
This is plastic demon Magnus though from 40k. The 30k Magnus will be resin from FW still.
Brennonjw wrote: I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines
My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.
The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.
And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.
This is plastic demon Magnus though from 40k. The 30k Magnus will be resin from FW still.
Not again...
Yes I know that. However I was answering to guy wishing it was mistaken 30k release. For that to be even possible it would have to be first plastic from FW.
Also technically speaking FW making resin pre-daemonhood Magnus doesn't exclude them from making daemon version as well. Technically nothing stops them from doing it in plastic either. Would be first for them though.
So for the wish "please be 30k release mistaken for 40k release" it would require the release for some reason be first FW plastic. So in short "don't hold your breath hoping for that"
Exciting! I've stopped playing my Daemons (dislike the playstyle) but I still have some CSM models and would be interested in adding some updated Tzeentch there if it's any good. Sounds like a bit of a wait though.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?
Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.
You know what's better than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic havocs. So, you know, CSM can have heavy weapons finally.
You know what's worse than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic Magnus the Red in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times. I got into 40k because I liked the setting. And I continue to like the setting despite the GW's very best efforts over the past decade to screw it up. Luckily there has been an inbuilt inertia to the thing that has prevented them from doing anything drastic. Until now.
Plastic Thousand Sons sound great. I just hope that they don't kill my interest in them by ruining the setting with boneheaded plot advancement in the meantime.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?
Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.
Yes, I know, shocking isn't it. Some people have the capacity to form tentative views about things based on the prior quality of output and behaviour of the people making those things, it's madness I tell you, MADNESS! Not to mention this horrifying idea of disagreeing with your opinion! What is this, Communist Russia?! People who prefer 40K as the game the rules were designed to support rather than the creaking, straining, groaning, barely functional clusterhump of formations, fliers, and superheavies it's become are just obviously insane, there's no other possible reason they could hold an opinion not 100% in concordance with yours, oh Great Caederes, Most High Arbiter of The Hobby
Myself, I'm looking forward to seeing plastic Rubrics, the present aesthetic direction and quality of infantry plastics makes it a reasonably safe bet that they'll be nice. Magnus though, makes me despair - Daemon Primarchs can take on Titans, the only time I can even conceive of them appearing in 40K without them being being laughably overpowered or completely neutered is in some monstrous 20k points a side event game. The idea of running into a Daemon-bloody-Primarch with a demi-Company of Marines or a Guard Veteran Company(ie, a normal game of 40K) and having any chance whatsoever of victory is either hilarious, sad, or both. Crikey Magnus should be capable of wiping your average 40K army off the board with a psychic gesture, this guy was the embodiment of the Emperor's psychic potential and that was before he became a daemonic sorcerer infused with the power of a Chaos god; the concept of Captain Cludge, Goober Marines 3rd Company Captain and his demi-Company formation causing Magnus any more trouble than flicking a bit of lint off his robes is farcical.
You know what's worse than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic Magnus the Red in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times. I got into 40k because I liked the setting. And I continue to like the setting despite the GW's very best efforts over the past decade to screw it up. Luckily there has been an inbuilt inertia to the thing that has prevented them from doing anything drastic. Until now.
Plastic Thousand Sons sound great. I just hope that they don't kill my interest in them by ruining the setting with boneheaded plot advancement in the meantime.
Hmm, seems I'm not the only one left who actually likes 40K for what it is afterall
In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Azreal13 wrote: In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind
Azreal13 wrote: In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind
Spoiler:
Magnus is fragmented, as a consequence of defying/pissing off Tzeentch (it's been a while, my memory of the details is hazy.) Basically the whole of the series is Ahriman being manipulated by Magnus into allowing him to become whole again. The shards are scattered throughout space and time and vary in capability, making it plausible that a Magnus as opposed to the Magnus could turn up on a 40K battlefield. Perhaps not with sufficient regularity to match the ubiquity of an IK, but would support a lower power level than historically.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.
I see that combo kit idea as a more realistic plan than two separate expensive one per player kits. The flip side though is that they came out with two bloodthirster kits (one named and the other not IIRC) a year or two ago.
Gamgee wrote: This.... is a big shake up in the lore. How much do you want to bet Tau and all the other factions are on the brink of massive change?
I can't wait to see what happens to advance the Necrons and Dark Eldar. I had that crazy theory we'll see Slaanesh be defeated. Let's see if I'm right.
Don't know much about the DE, but my money is on a Silent King model for the Necrons. I would give him rules along the lines of "all Necron infantry within 18" of The Silent King gain Zealot".
All this talk about Thousand Sons? The Blood Ravens receiving an official model in DW:O? A new Dawn of War game later this yeah? I'm really thinking there is an excellent opportunity for some cross-promotion with a Codex: Blood Ravens.
If we get good plastic TS, I am probably headed for divorce. Or selling drugs on the side. I will have to have a box as long as they are not too garish.
I understand Tzeentch is the favored of the gods by GW but crikey, it is my understanding that Nurgle is on par as far as CSM players that I have encountered on the internetz. What is the likely hood of seeing Mortarion or Nurgle making an appearance in Warzone Fenris?
Azreal13 wrote: In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind
Spoiler:
Magnus is fragmented, as a consequence of defying/pissing off Tzeentch (it's been a while, my memory of the details is hazy.) Basically the whole of the series is Ahriman being manipulated by Magnus into allowing him to become whole again. The shards are scattered throughout space and time and vary in capability, making it plausible that a Magnus as opposed to the Magnus could turn up on a 40K battlefield. Perhaps not with sufficient regularity to match the ubiquity of an IK, but would support a lower power level than historically.
I fully expect this not to be mentioned at all and for Magnus to be defeated in single combat by Logan Grimnar.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.
I see that combo kit idea as a more realistic plan than two separate expensive one per player kits. The flip side though is that they came out with two bloodthirster kits (one named and the other not IIRC) a year or two ago.
Yes. However all they did for Skarbrand was make a new sprue and substitute it for one of the sprues in the Bloodthirster kit.
redleger wrote: I understand Tzeentch is the favored of the gods by GW but crikey, it is my understanding that Nurgle is on par as far as CSM players that I have encountered on the internetz. What is the likely hood of seeing Mortarion or Nurgle making an appearance in Warzone Fenris?
redleger wrote: I understand Tzeentch is the favored of the gods by GW but crikey, it is my understanding that Nurgle is on par as far as CSM players that I have encountered on the internetz. What is the likely hood of seeing Mortarion or Nurgle making an appearance in Warzone Fenris?
Probably not much. Magnus has more reason to be there than Mortarion since y'know... Russ' boys burned everything on Prospero to the ground. He has a pretty huge axe to grind when it comes to Vlka Fenryka
Warhams-77 wrote: I read the 2nd edition CSM Codex today. Is the Planet of Sorcerers stil mentioned in the current fluff? And the Tower of Cyclops?
Yes. I'm aware this is like the third post in a row that cites it, but the Ahriman series culminates on the Planet Of Sorcerers, and Magnus' residence is still a huge tower, albeit can't remember if it gets cited as the Cyclops Tower as its been a few months since I read it.
Gamgee wrote: This.... is a big shake up in the lore. How much do you want to bet Tau and all the other factions are on the brink of massive change?
I can't wait to see what happens to advance the Necrons and Dark Eldar. I had that crazy theory we'll see Slaanesh be defeated. Let's see if I'm right.
Don't know much about the DE, but my money is on a Silent King model for the Necrons. I would give him rules along the lines of "all Necron infantry within 18" of The Silent King gain Zealot".
All this talk about Thousand Sons? The Blood Ravens receiving an official model in DW:O? A new Dawn of War game later this yeah? I'm really thinking there is an excellent opportunity for some cross-promotion with a Codex: Blood Ravens.
Silent King would be cool. I would love to see Vect return with primarch level of power as well. As easy as it would be for my faction to design yet another suit I would really like to see a hero Tau unit. Farsight is probably the only possible candidate but the problem is they would really need to buff him to high heaven with upgrades ect.
Also to the people talking about Blood Ravens hell yes! I would be tempted to pick up maybe a small 500 points force of Space Magpies to model and paint. Can't leave my ravens hanging.
Azreal13 wrote: In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind
Spoiler:
Magnus is fragmented, as a consequence of defying/pissing off Tzeentch (it's been a while, my memory of the details is hazy.) Basically the whole of the series is Ahriman being manipulated by Magnus into allowing him to become whole again. The shards are scattered throughout space and time and vary in capability, making it plausible that a Magnus as opposed to the Magnus could turn up on a 40K battlefield. Perhaps not with sufficient regularity to match the ubiquity of an IK, but would support a lower power level than historically.
I fully expect this not to be mentioned at all and for Magnus to be defeated in single combat by Logan Grimnar.
Or Bjorn. A better end IMO would be Magnus purposely leaving a beaten Grimnar(or a wulfened out Russ) alive in front of a shattered and burning Fang. Stating that this was just the beginning and he's off to get his revenge on everyone else that betrayed him and his legion.
He beat the snot out of Bjorn in the book, so don't need that one.
But I certainly like the idea of him leaving on his own terms and not just being beaten because he had the misfortune of fighting against space marines and their plot armor.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.
Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?
Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.
Yes, I know, shocking isn't it. Some people have the capacity to form tentative views about things based on the prior quality of output and behaviour of the people making those things, it's madness I tell you, MADNESS! Not to mention this horrifying idea of disagreeing with your opinion! What is this, Communist Russia?! People who prefer 40K as the game the rules were designed to support rather than the creaking, straining, groaning, barely functional clusterhump of formations, fliers, and superheavies it's become are just obviously insane, there's no other possible reason they could hold an opinion not 100% in concordance with yours, oh Great Caederes, Most High Arbiter of The Hobby
Myself, I'm looking forward to seeing plastic Rubrics, the present aesthetic direction and quality of infantry plastics makes it a reasonably safe bet that they'll be nice. Magnus though, makes me despair - Daemon Primarchs can take on Titans, the only time I can even conceive of them appearing in 40K without them being being laughably overpowered or completely neutered is in some monstrous 20k points a side event game. The idea of running into a Daemon-bloody-Primarch with a demi-Company of Marines or a Guard Veteran Company(ie, a normal game of 40K) and having any chance whatsoever of victory is either hilarious, sad, or both. Crikey Magnus should be capable of wiping your average 40K army off the board with a psychic gesture, this guy was the embodiment of the Emperor's psychic potential and that was before he became a daemonic sorcerer infused with the power of a Chaos god; the concept of Captain Cludge, Goober Marines 3rd Company Captain and his demi-Company formation causing Magnus any more trouble than flicking a bit of lint off his robes is farcical.
You know what's worse than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic Magnus the Red in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times. I got into 40k because I liked the setting. And I continue to like the setting despite the GW's very best efforts over the past decade to screw it up. Luckily there has been an inbuilt inertia to the thing that has prevented them from doing anything drastic. Until now.
Plastic Thousand Sons sound great. I just hope that they don't kill my interest in them by ruining the setting with boneheaded plot advancement in the meantime.
Hmm, seems I'm not the only one left who actually likes 40K for what it is afterall
Logan Grimnar (a Space Marine) beating Magnus the Red (a primarch), who also has Demon Prince stacked on him?
That could definitely happen. On planet Opposite Day. Then again with Space Wolves SM +1, super special snow flake plot armor... Just imagine Santa Logan on his rage'n rudolph Doom Wolf Claw Wolf Frost Wolf sleigh of rage'n Frost Claw Wolfy-ness, wooping Magnus's butt.
All this Tzeentch stuff seems like a huge Release Event. The kind of thing you drop for summer or Christmas, like a big movie. Since they've missed summer are we thinking Christmas?
Gamgee wrote: This.... is a big shake up in the lore. How much do you want to bet Tau and all the other factions are on the brink of massive change?
I can't wait to see what happens to advance the Necrons and Dark Eldar. I had that crazy theory we'll see Slaanesh be defeated. Let's see if I'm right.
Don't know much about the DE, but my money is on a Silent King model for the Necrons. I would give him rules along the lines of "all Necron infantry within 18" of The Silent King gain Zealot".
All this talk about Thousand Sons? The Blood Ravens receiving an official model in DW:O? A new Dawn of War game later this yeah? I'm really thinking there is an excellent opportunity for some cross-promotion with a Codex: Blood Ravens.
Silent King would be cool. I would love to see Vect return with primarch level of power as well. As easy as it would be for my faction to design yet another suit I would really like to see a hero Tau unit. Farsight is probably the only possible candidate but the problem is they would really need to buff him to high heaven with upgrades ect.
Also to the people talking about Blood Ravens hell yes! I would be tempted to pick up maybe a small 500 points force of Space Magpies to model and paint. Can't leave my ravens hanging.
Spoiler:
See this is kind of the problem I have with the nu-40k, once you let the extraordinary into "normal" 40k then the extraordinary just becomes ordinary.
When Apoc first came out in 5th edition I was working at GW at the time. There was a big excitement for it. Basically it was touted at playing epic scale armies with 40k scaled models. We all built huge armies for it, got FW goodies (back when FW was still kind rare) and the first few games where kind cool. We soon figured out that Apoc was basically a unplayable mess. The shear size of the game basically ment that you got 2 maybe 3 turns off in a 8 hour game. The set up was the longest part of the game and due to the lack of room ( this is on a 10' x6' floorhammer game) it was basically move foward and take models off due to pie plates and D str weapons. It was a good idea but horribly implemented and was doomed to fail because the 40k game mechanics breakdown at that lvl. It's just WAY to complicated, there is way to many "special unit" rules. To many 'special snowflake' units. To many USR's at that scale.
That's the problem I've got with Apoc and basic 40k is now pretty much Apoc lite...
So now that the Imperium has their 'cool toys' everyone else needs their cool toys so the power creep keeps on going up and up, now we have daemon primarchs coming out? We just need a Emperor model with rules and its a fait accompli
Except that IS 40k and always has been. Back when the Dreadnought came out it wrecked gak and everyone had to have their own. I find this a natural and logical continuation.
However I would like to see "off" phases where we see armies expanded horizontally as well as vertically. Where we see new models pop up that offer new tactical choices or just really great modeling opportunities.
As it is now it's like a linear scale progression in size and it bothers me we don't see more armies getting filled out with options at different scales. A great example of what I mean is the Ghostkeel it was not trying to be the biggest thing ever and I love how they made it fit into the Riptide sized niche.
I would like to see all armies get more releases that fit into existing size niches. That way when they do bring something huge it means more rather than these small incremental power creep which is neat but not as satisfying. Since I'm so familiar with Tau I've posted many times how cool it would be to see a Tau Helicopter gunship style spacecraft or more auxiliaries. Do these have to be the most overpowered things ever? No, but I would like to see them to make my army look more interesting or throw me some new options. Tau need some more vehicles as well and I would like to see more Kroot and Vespid. This stuff is unlikely to ever happen since it seems only battlesuits are being made for Tau.
With Necrons I feel they really need some more interesting vehicles and stuff since looking at them its usually so infantry biased with maybe some arcs around. Dark Eldar need the evil equivalent to the Wraith Knight but balanced. DE just need a lot in general. Some armies have huge swathes of selections to pick from. I'm sometimes envious of the opportunities of Space Marine collectors and Chaos collectors since there is just so much variety. Where as Tau, DE, and Necrons (and many others) just don't have much.
Azreal13 wrote: Well, even Ahriman didn't know, so as most Codexs etc are written from an Imperial viewpoint, it would make sense that it wouldn't get mentioned.
It's more a case of GW proper ignoring whatever's happening in the BL books.
Ghaz wrote: Yes. However all they did for Skarbrand was make a new sprue and substitute it for one of the sprues in the Bloodthirster kit.
Couldn't they do Magnus up at multiple point levels?
A lower costed fragment of him, a more developed one that has grown in power, and a fullblown over 9000 Super Saiyajin Level 3 wrecking whole armies by himself level?
Get a bit more use out of a big centerpiece model that way?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.
I'd bet that we will see something like the Bloodthirster/Skarbrand. One shared sprue with say wings and legs or something, then a box with that and Magnus sprue to make Magnus, and a Loc box with a sprue that can make a couple LoC variants, maybe a base Lord of Change and Fateweaver.
Gamgee wrote: I would like to see all armies get more releases that fit into existing size niches. That way when they do bring something huge it means more rather than these small incremental power creep which is neat but not as satisfying. Since I'm so familiar with Tau I've posted many times how cool it would be to see a Tau Helicopter gunship style spacecraft or more auxiliaries. Do these have to be the most overpowered things ever? No, but I would like to see them to make my army look more interesting or throw me some new options. Tau need some more vehicles as well and I would like to see more Kroot and Vespid. This stuff is unlikely to ever happen since it seems only battlesuits are being made for Tau.
I would love a proper 'Ardboyz box for my Orks, similar to the AoS 'Ardboyz. I also wouldn't mind seeing a power-armoured Marine sniper unit, although I'll probably be shouted down as being greedy since Marines have a trillion kits and they only need two and I'm a fething donkey-cave and how dare I and such.
Gamgee wrote: I would like to see all armies get more releases that fit into existing size niches. That way when they do bring something huge it means more rather than these small incremental power creep which is neat but not as satisfying. Since I'm so familiar with Tau I've posted many times how cool it would be to see a Tau Helicopter gunship style spacecraft or more auxiliaries. Do these have to be the most overpowered things ever? No, but I would like to see them to make my army look more interesting or throw me some new options. Tau need some more vehicles as well and I would like to see more Kroot and Vespid. This stuff is unlikely to ever happen since it seems only battlesuits are being made for Tau.
I would love a proper 'Ardboyz box for my Orks, similar to the AoS 'Ardboyz. I also wouldn't mind seeing a power-armoured Marine sniper unit, although I'll probably be shouted down as being greedy since Marines have a trillion kits and they only need two and I'm a fething donkey-cave and how dare I and such.
Boo! Shout! Boo!
Besides, Marines need their Techmarines in plastic- Clampack with a servo arm, box with servo harness and conversion beamer plus 4 servitors with options, and Thunderfire/Rapier kit in plastic. And a proper Honor Guard kit as well.
It is about time GW evolved the stagnant state of 40k. New models are always welcome, especially since they keep knocking it out of the park with this crazy kits.
Enough talk about the fabricated Blood Ravens chapter. The RELICTORS, did it first, relic is where they get their name, and they have caused such a problem they are constantly being hunted by shady Inquisitors, all the while hunting for more relics.. They even disobeyed Dante in the war of armageddon and are only interested in aiding others if there is a possibility of relics being looted from the area.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: It is about time GW evolved the stagnant state of 40k. New models are always welcome, especially since they keep knocking it out of the park with this crazy kits.
Enough talk about the fabricated Blood Ravens chapter. The RELICTORS, did it first, relic is where they get their name, and they have caused such a problem they are constantly being hunted by shady Inquisitors, all the while hunting for more relics.. They even disobeyed Dante in the war of armageddon and are only interested in aiding others if there is a possibility of relics being looted from the area.
They don't have the style though. Which is what makes the Blud Revens so much more memorable.
I imagine if Magnus gets laid low in the Space Wolf book, it will be due to Azrael and Grimnar putting aside their differences and teaming up to take him down, perhaps with some help by the Grey Knights.
Or Draigo will pop out of the warp, give Magnus a noogie, carve Leman Russes name into Magnus' Heart, then moonwalk back into the warp.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: It is about time GW evolved the stagnant state of 40k. New models are always welcome, especially since they keep knocking it out of the park with this crazy kits.
Enough talk about the fabricated Blood Ravens chapter. The RELICTORS, did it first, relic is where they get their name, and they have caused such a problem they are constantly being hunted by shady Inquisitors, all the while hunting for more relics.. They even disobeyed Dante in the war of armageddon and are only interested in aiding others if there is a possibility of relics being looted from the area.
They don't have the style though. Which is what makes the Blud Revens so much more memorable.
They even had a guy in DW overkill. Actual model acknowledgement. They are on a roll!
Would be sweet if GW really made those hints of their secret thousand sons origin part of this. Could be a nice Darth Vader moment.
It wouldn't really be that much of a stretch to include the Blood Ravens. The Dark Angels showed up with multiple Chapters, so clearly this is bigger than the Wolves and their immediate rivals. It's a good opportunity to put some obscure/unknown Chapters in the limelight (like Armageddon and Badab did), and a reasonable way to have Blood Raven/Thousand Son interaction, even if minor.
With Necrons I feel they really need some more interesting vehicles and stuff since looking at them its usually so infantry biased with maybe some arcs around. Dark Eldar need the evil equivalent to the Wraith Knight but balanced. DE just need a lot in general. Some armies have huge swathes of selections to pick from. I'm sometimes envious of the opportunities of Space Marine collectors and Chaos collectors since there is just so much variety. Where as Tau, DE, and Necrons (and many others) just don't have much.
HAHAHA! Really? You're actually jealous of the single oldest & most woefully incomplete model line in the entire game!? (Sisters not withstanding)
I mean, I get that we all want more toys, but c'mon, trying to say that Chaos gets actual support, when 15+ years on and we're still waiting for plastic autocannons & missile launchers!?
If you're going to be jealous of someone, at least be jealous of an army that's had more than a paltry 4 kits over the past 9 years.
Hopefully Fenris Part II is the long overdue start to the fabled "Year of Chaos", and we can finally get a model line that isn't perpetually stuck in the early 2000's... Hopefully we can get a good solid 8-12 months of on-off releases, with new kits for;
- basic Chaos Marines
- Terminators
- Havocs
- Chosen
- Berserkers
- Noise Marines
- Plaguemarines
- Oblits/Muties combo kit
- Cultists
- Bikers
- updated Rhino
- updated Land Raider w/new Chaos only variant
And for the Daemon side, throw in at least one more of the Greater Daemons, if not both.
Azreal13 wrote: In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.
Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind
Spoiler:
Magnus is fragmented, as a consequence of defying/pissing off Tzeentch (it's been a while, my memory of the details is hazy.) Basically the whole of the series is Ahriman being manipulated by Magnus into allowing him to become whole again. The shards are scattered throughout space and time and vary in capability, making it plausible that a Magnus as opposed to the Magnus could turn up on a 40K battlefield. Perhaps not with sufficient regularity to match the ubiquity of an IK, but would support a lower power level than historically.
Spoiler:
Hmm, interesting. It works for the C'tan, so aye you're right that handwave could work fine for Magnus. We'll see if GW use it and if they can restrain themselves from producing the other Daemon Primarchs who have no such excuse
Kanluwen wrote: To be fair, it's always been an issue with this whole "X shouldn't be as common on the battlefield as it is" when it comes down to the players.
Players* want to use the cool rare stuff, not the crummy common stuff.
*Some players. A fair few of us would have much preferred "cool rare stuff" stayed in the various Specialist Games and 40K supplements where they belonged, so we could actually play the battles we read about in the fluff at this sort of scale without shovelling handfuls of infantry off the table every turn as they're utterly slaughtered by the latest giant walker kit or megatank.
With Necrons I feel they really need some more interesting vehicles and stuff since looking at them its usually so infantry biased with maybe some arcs around. Dark Eldar need the evil equivalent to the Wraith Knight but balanced. DE just need a lot in general. Some armies have huge swathes of selections to pick from. I'm sometimes envious of the opportunities of Space Marine collectors and Chaos collectors since there is just so much variety. Where as Tau, DE, and Necrons (and many others) just don't have much.
HAHAHA! Really? You're actually jealous of the single oldest & most woefully incomplete model line in the entire game!? (Sisters not withstanding)
I mean, I get that we all want more toys, but c'mon, trying to say that Chaos gets actual support, when 15+ years on and we're still waiting for plastic autocannons & missile launchers!?
If you're going to be jealous of someone, at least be jealous of an army that's had more than a paltry 4 kits over the past 9 years.
Hopefully Fenris Part II is the long overdue start to the fabled "Year of Chaos", and we can finally get a model line that isn't perpetually stuck in the early 2000's... Hopefully we can get a good solid 8-12 months of on-off releases, with new kits for;
- basic Chaos Marines
- Terminators
- Havocs
- Chosen
- Berserkers
- Noise Marines
- Plaguemarines
- Oblits/Muties combo kit
- Cultists
- Bikers
- updated Rhino
- updated Land Raider w/new Chaos only variant
And for the Daemon side, throw in at least one more of the Greater Daemons, if not both.
I chuckled, Gamgee likes his Tau.
I think you could leave the terminators alone, and they reboxed the marines so despite being a bit dated they still do the job. I think havos and chosen would be a combo kit, same with oblits/muties so honestly the only major kits would be the 4 cults. I'd say try to combo them in pairs but I am not sure it is possible which is probably why it hasn't occurred. Maybe they will just do plastic upgrades like the sprues they did for blood angles space wolves etc. Give you a god specific champion and enough shoulder pads and gear to make a squad. To me that is the most cost effective approach, I honestly can never see them making 4 unique kits for each cult. Same reason eldar still don't have plastic aspects, there are just too many unique elements and they can't add that many SkU's to the shelves.
