Can't say I'm impressed we're getting yet another Imperial army and yet ANOTHER Space Marine force at that. It was inevitable I suppose, but between the HH versions and the inevitable glut of Primaris I'm disappointed.
Warhams-77 wrote: My french is pretty limited but I tried to follow a News&Rumor thread on WarFo regarding future Custodes releases for a while. Correct me if I'm wrong but user Mika117 expects a Codex Custodes or something similiar to be released around February/March. This was back in November. See Page 1
Arbitrator wrote: Can't say I'm impressed we're getting yet another Imperial army and yet ANOTHER Space Marine force at that. It was inevitable I suppose, but between the HH versions and the inevitable glut of Primaris I'm disappointed.
Arbitrator wrote: Can't say I'm impressed we're getting yet another Imperial army and yet ANOTHER Space Marine force at that. It was inevitable I suppose, but between the HH versions and the inevitable glut of Primaris I'm disappointed.
Since when are Custodes Space Marines?
Burly guys in armour with hueg pauldrons firing boltguns, in the name of the Emprah.
Yeah, they're not TECHNICALLY Space Marines, but for all intents and purposes they are, at least aesthetically. See also: Stormcast.
Hmmm, if an Adeptus Custodes codex is coming in the next 2 months and Daemons is right around the corner, maybe the reveal tomorrow will be of a Terra campaign: warpstorms open over Terra and Daemons fall from the sky causing the Custodes to come out and see them off... Just and idea.
What? No Primaris version? I hate to see the price, maybe what 3 minis for $70 Canadian? Really hope not, nice minis but not 3 for more than $50. Sadly I see it closer to 70 than 50.
Davor wrote: What? No Primaris version? I hate to see the price, maybe what 3 minis for $70 Canadian? Really hope not, nice minis but not 3 for more than $50. Sadly I see it closer to 70 than 50.
BEtter be less than 50£ for 3 or better looking FW ones are tempting if you can sort out weapon issue.
Hum, why is GW releasing Custodes terminators so close of the FW custode terminators release ? Do they want more challenge ? There is not enough competition ?^^
changemod wrote: For 30k purposes these wouldn't make bad counts-as Hetareons, given the only other real way to distinguish a Hetareon is a paintjob or conversion.
Problem being those look way too much terminator armour for non-terminator armour Hetareons.
Absolutionis wrote: Aren't the custodes supposed to be naked after failing the Emperor? What's the flavor justification for them having Terminator or any armor?
GW gets to sale more of them. In fluff justification is Guillimann kicking them on butts and telling get out there and start fighting again.
changemod wrote: For 30k purposes these wouldn't make bad counts-as Hetareons, given the only other real way to distinguish a Hetareon is a paintjob or conversion.
Problem being those look way too much terminator armour for non-terminator armour Hetareons.
Eh, they're all in 2+ armour with an invulnerable. Until I get actual hetareons I'm happy to use a 40k standin.
Davor wrote: What? No Primaris version? I hate to see the price, maybe what 3 minis for $70 Canadian? Really hope not, nice minis but not 3 for more than $50. Sadly I see it closer to 70 than 50.
BEtter be less than 50£ for 3 or better looking FW ones are tempting if you can sort out weapon issue.
GAH! 50 pounds? That is $100 Canadian in GW pricing. Canada pays double what ever the UK pays for. So if it was 50 pounds, that is even worse. Oh my, I was hoping you ment 25 pounds so it would have been $50 Canadian.
changemod wrote: For 30k purposes these wouldn't make bad counts-as Hetareons, given the only other real way to distinguish a Hetareon is a paintjob or conversion.
Problem being those look way too much terminator armour for non-terminator armour Hetareons.
Eh, they're all in 2+ armour with an invulnerable. Until I get actual hetareons I'm happy to use a 40k standin.
Hetaeron and aquillan terminators are different armoured. Would feel weird to have more heavily armoured guys that are softer than other similar armoured
Davor wrote: What? No Primaris version? I hate to see the price, maybe what 3 minis for $70 Canadian? Really hope not, nice minis but not 3 for more than $50. Sadly I see it closer to 70 than 50.
BEtter be less than 50£ for 3 or better looking FW ones are tempting if you can sort out weapon issue.
GAH! 50 pounds? That is $100 Canadian in GW pricing. Canada pays double what ever the UK pays for. So if it was 50 pounds, that is even worse. Oh my, I was hoping you ment 25 pounds so it would have been $50 Canadian.
Well the 50£ is FW one(which btw is what you would pay if you got FW ones so you might get them cheaper depending on price of these due to paying pounds ). So if the price is say 40-45£ for 3 I would likely skip these and just get FW ones.
25-30£ however I might get box or two IF they get 30k rules. Or I can figure how to make them armed with aquillan terminator weapons
It's the current cycle. Marines to shiny gold sigmarines to shiny gold even more marines than nu!marines not!Marines.
Translation: new marine kits weren't that old. Then Age of Sigmar happened. Then primaris marines happened, now things that aren't technically marines but are even more better gene-engineered supermen in shiny gold armor happen.
Background fluff varies a bit, but at the end of the day, this is more Imperium in Shinier Armor.
Because 2 wounds didn't work out well enough. More 3 wound things for truly 'elite' status.
Galas wrote: They'll cost the same as Deathsroud, probably. So 45€. But I hope for much higher customization.
that would be about 10€ saving compared to FW ones. Unless they come also with weapons used by aquillon(power fist and lastrum storm bolter or firepike would be good enough) not worth it(for me. I'm looking at from POV of adding to my 30k forces. For 40k use these are 100% worthless for me) without getting 30k rules.
I mean, I don't particularly like them but that's because I don't like custodes. However they do look a hell of a lot better than the FW ones for a change.
BrianDavion wrote: I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.
They are, they share the raised back plate, back top knot. Legs look bigger, the torsos have an extra set of piping.
yeah maybe slooking at it they are clearly a type of unit so... but yeah I think saying "they're terminators" is a bit simple. they're definatly akin to death shrouds though, a vetern bodyguard unit
BrianDavion wrote: I don't think these ARE terminators. I think these might instead of custodes HQs.
They are, they share the raised back plate, back top knot. Legs look bigger, the torsos have an extra set of piping.
yeah maybe slooking at it they are clearly a type of unit so... but yeah I think saying "they're terminators" is a bit simple. they're definatly akin to death shrouds though, a vetern bodyguard unit
Ok... Last I checked that would still make them Terminators, just special ones.
Galas wrote: They'll cost the same as Deathsroud, probably. So 45€. But I hope for much higher customization.
that would be about 10€ saving compared to FW ones. Unless they come also with weapons used by aquillon(power fist and lastrum storm bolter or firepike would be good enough) not worth it(for me. I'm looking at from POV of adding to my 30k forces. For 40k use these are 100% worthless for me) without getting 30k rules.
For savings you need to factor the usual 20-30% discount that comes from buying from UK and the conversion pound-euro, if you want to compare them with the FW ones.
Kap'n Krump wrote: Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.
Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.
The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.
No, Custodes are just a lot bigger than your average marines. Custodes Terminators are on 50mm bases. So pretty chunky. These guys guard the Golden Throne and the Eternity Gate.
Kap'n Krump wrote: Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.
Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.
The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.
No, Custodes are just a lot bigger than your average marines. Custodes Terminators are on 50mm bases. So pretty chunky. These guys guard the Golden Throne and the Eternity Gate.
So they're the companions. the 300 who directly guard the emperor
I don't really care about the Custodes, but these are great models. They have great proportions and look like a person could actually fit inside the armour. This really makes me hope that we see similarly proportioned Primaris terminators soon. Meanwhile I might use these to convert some Space Marine terminator characters.
Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.
Stumbling Snake wrote: Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.
I’m not getting my hopes up for that. Lately, GW have been releasing amazing infantry and terrible vehicles, whereas FW have been releasing amazing vehicles and ... see where I’m going with this?
The FW range of Heresy era Custodes vehicles is just beautiful. I can’t imaging GW being able to top those.
Just saw this on B&C, I'm currently not 100% sure if he is serious but this will be ace if true
Sete - B&C
Dudes. Please. Do you think it's just these guys? Ah. My sweet summer children. Wait until we see the jetbike, the flyer and the transport with option for turrets. Along with the dread and HQ and codex. Praise the God Emperor.
Stumbling Snake wrote: Seriously, I am so stoked for this release. I can't wait to hopefully see more tomorrow. If they release a special tank/Contemptor Dreadnought for Custodes alongside these models my life will be complete.
I’m not getting my hopes up for that. Lately, GW have been releasing amazing infantry and terrible vehicles, whereas FW have been releasing amazing vehicles and ... see where I’m going with this?
The FW range of Heresy era Custodes vehicles is just beautiful. I can’t imaging GW being able to top those.
Yeah, I can't disagree with that. If they put rules for the 30k tanks/Dreads I'd be just as happy. Either way!
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Warhams-77 wrote: Just saw this on B&C, I'm currently not 100% if he is serious but this will be ace if true
Sete - B&C
Dudes. Please. Do you think it's just these guys? Ah. My sweet summer children. Wait until we see the jetbike, the flyer and the transport with option for turrets. Along with the dread and HQ and codex. Praise the God Emperor.
On top of not being very good, custodes also break all kinds of codex mono army bonuses. You can't get guard / mech / astartes cool detachment bonuses if you have custodes. So they are necessarily lame splash troops. If they had a "you can take these in a space marine detachment without breaking bonuses' special rule maybe they could see some use. Here's hoping for the codex.
Literally the only thing I'd be interested in on the Custardmen front is a grav Rhino. Not a Gravitic Mammoth, or a Golden Repulsomator, or whatever "we don't want you to use any models you already own to counts-as this and also we think something must be unpronounceable to be trademarked" nonsense; a straight up floating Rhino with jet engines on it. Bonus points if they use the "it's for Custodes" thing as an excuse to make it truescale.
Otherwise - meh. Every time they release another "no, honest, *this time* they're the supererest and most eliteiest elite troops in the Imperium" army all I can muster is an eyeroll now.
Member when Grey Knights were *only* Terminators and were so badass you only used one unit of them? Member when Space Marines were special and actually elite rather than cannon fodder for Bigger Marines, Better Marines, Psychic Knight Marines, and now Golden not-Marines? I member.
Grey Knights have been around as 'super Marines' since the RT days. Cusdotes have always been better than everything in the fluff, and we're just getting them as models with rules now. I don't see a problem with that.
Marines in the fluff were elite small forces, but have never really played that way, even in 2nd Ed when everything cost twice as much (Bolter Marines were still just bullet shields for the heavy weapon guys).
The Primaris Marines are a different beast, but they're around because GW have released everything they can for Marines, even doing plastic Tactical, Assault and Devastator squad twice over, so they put themselves into a corner with a (basically) complete plastic range, so needed something new.
The idea that things were anything even approaching as daft as they are now even a couple of editions ago, let alone back when GK were Terminators and Necrons were Chaos Androids, is nonsense.
Marines were never going to be as elite on the table as they were in the fluff, some level of abstraction is inevitable same with their stats, but a Marine in 2nd and even 3rd felt *special*. By turning what should have remained single, hyper-elite ally units like GK, Deathwatch, and Custodes into full armies, and with the addition of Primaris regardless of the reason why they exist, they've made them feel anything but special.
Figured this warranted it's own thread since it's going to be stuck a ways into the announcement of an announcement thread.
Not a huge Custodes fan, but I like these.
I especially like that the "topknot" isn't attached to the helms but rather to the 'hunch' of the armor.
I think whoever mentioned the idea of this kit including heroes for the Custodes seems to have the right idea. The Shield-Captain and Vexilus Praetor strike me as being hero types with the Alarus Custodians being something like the Deathshroud or possibly even the Lone Wolves idea that Space Wolves had.
Yodhrin wrote: The idea that things were anything even approaching as daft as they are now even a couple of editions ago, let alone back when GK were Terminators and Necrons were Chaos Androids, is nonsense.
Marines were never going to be as elite on the table as they were in the fluff, some level of abstraction is inevitable same with their stats, but a Marine in 2nd and even 3rd felt *special*. By turning what should have remained single, hyper-elite ally units like GK, Deathwatch, and Custodes into full armies, and with the addition of Primaris regardless of the reason why they exist, they've made them feel anything but special.
I can sense a bit of disappointment in this thread lol
I don't like them personally because despite being a fan of terminators, they don't look like terminators to me...
...If that even makes any sense.
I would have preferred a new Xenos unit honestly, considering GW is pushing out tons of units for Smurfs and Nurgle marines. I don't know where we would start with what Xenos faction would need the love (heck all of them do) but props to GW I guess for making units for a "small" faction.
It's just that at the end of the day it's still an IMPERIUM faction
There are at least 4 pose options, and so far at least 2 halberds, an axe, and a vexilla. There is at least a 4th pose option/torso front, likely so you don't have to build a shield captain, and the vexilla is likely interchangable so you can run it as a halberd/axe instead, since the haft is the same. Honestly, even at Deathshroud price, I'll take them over the FW terminators. But FW better update their tanks to 8th ed to support these guys, the custodes tanks from FW are lovely. So are the jetbikes and flier. But I am intrigued by the mention in another thread of a flier, dread, and jetbikes for custodes as part of this release.
You are right in the two first ones, but the third isn't really in the same page, H.M.B.C is not like a vehicle can have possability. Some personalization, like the drone? Yeah. But at the same time, I like for it to be a EZ and be as cheap as it is. It feels all like the 90's again!
I'll love a EZTB Rhino/Razorback kit with just one weapon option
Don’t you dare criticize the Myphitic Blighthauler, it is perfect and adorable as it is. You could hurt its cute little feelings :(
Re: the topic... is there going to be a single non-Space Marine release for the next year? This is getting ridiculous. Another week, another instance of GW releasing more “elite of the elite of the elite of the elite of the elite” models, instead of fixing the god-awful basic troops of nearly every other faction. The amount of time and CAD resources spent designing these unnecessary elite choices could have updated the basic troops for four major factions, but instead they were expended on yet another special snowflake type of “NOT TECHNICALLY A MARINE” space marine.
All in all, I like the models, GW should continue releasing things of this quality.
Verviedi wrote: instead of fixing the god-awful basic troops of every other faction.
Skitarii, Tau, Daemons, Nids, GSC, Dark Eldar have quite good troop kits. Kroot, IG, Orks, and Necrons troop kits are dated but still quite serviceable. It's only really CSM and Craftworld troops that need major revamps. Sisters need a whole range.
I'm glad to see an expansion of the Custodes range (from a current 1 kit and 2 repurposed ones) and I hope to see other micro-ranges get expanded as well- like Ynnari, Harlequins, Kroot, Vespid, Sisters of Silence.
Hope these are even bigger than the already released Custodes models. They are supposed to be in Terminator armor after all. Hell, slap 'em on 50mm bases while we're at it.
I've got a soft spot for guys in big armor with oversized pauldrons. Always have, always will.
The real question is: how many of them will you be able to squeeze in to a Venerable Land Raider? If I'm remembering right, a Venerable Land Raider can carry only half of a combat squad of the regular Custodes. That said, I'm curious to see what their transport option will be.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Hope these are even bigger than the already released Custodes models. They are supposed to be in Terminator armor after all. Hell, slap 'em on 50mm bases while we're at it.
I've got a soft spot for guys in big armor with oversized pauldrons. Always have, always will.
-but with helmets. Bare heads are no-nos.
I see at least 2 helmets in there. AS for size, they look like they are the same height as the other custodes, and still on 40mm bases. They appear bulkier though from 4 changes-
Added cape and tassels in the front.
Neckline doesn't taper into rear neck guard, but instead widens and forms a full hood.
Shoulder pads are far flatter and wider rather than tall but narrow like the base custodes.
Shins and feet are bulked up, eliminating the tapered calves and adding a shoe/ankle guard that widens over the boots.
Whelp, definitely looking at getting some of these. I love the Custodes aesthetic. I want their Grand Master and maybe some more regular Custodes as well.
Warhams-77 wrote: Just saw this on B&C, I'm currently not 100% sure if he is serious but this will be ace if true
Sete - B&C
Dudes. Please. Do you think it's just these guys? Ah. My sweet summer children. Wait until we see the jetbike, the flyer and the transport with option for turrets. Along with the dread and HQ and codex. Praise the God Emperor.
Wulfey wrote: On top of not being very good, custodes also break all kinds of codex mono army bonuses. You can't get guard / mech / astartes cool detachment bonuses if you have custodes. So they are necessarily lame splash troops. If they had a "you can take these in a space marine detachment without breaking bonuses' special rule maybe they could see some use. Here's hoping for the codex.
Well since they are getting HQ as well(already shown on FB long time ago) you obviously take these guys as their own detachment so it works just like detachment of marines and IG working together. Bonuses work. These might get their own "chapter tactic" equilavent as well.
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Kap'n Krump wrote: Confused - I thought custodoes were already terminators.
Hell, terminators that are better in every conceivable way for a laughably tiny increase in points.
The only way custodoes could be more like terminators would be if they could deep strike.
No terminators aren't known for moving through terrain with no issues. There's already specific unit called terminator and while survicability boost isn't huge(4++ over 5++) it's still something plus they carry bigger guns, have hammer of wrath and could move and shoot with less of a problem so plenty of terminator specific traits they had in 7th ed. For 8th ed obviously better inv save is applicable and extra wound terminator armour seems to give also works.
Custodians are more like super artificer armoured(2+ and move through cover) along with conversion field(5++).
Iron Angel wrote: I like them a lot!
I do hope they have helmet options for all of them though.
Agreed. GW has done a good job recently of making sure to put helmet options in for generic models that can have them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they put them in here.
Iron Angel wrote: I like them a lot!
I do hope they have helmet options for all of them though.
Agreed. GW has done a good job recently of making sure to put helmet options in for generic models that can have them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they put them in here.
There seems to be at least 4 different poses/configuration shown and 2 of those seems to have helmet. I would be very surprised if they left 3rd one bare head only.
Doesn't look like they are usable as 30k jetbike units(which are there for guns rather than h2h as such) so short of 30k rules as swell models as they are pass for me.
Mmmmm those Terminators though. I wanted to use Guilliman as a base for a Slaanesh Daemon Prince leading a warband that takes dleight in making a mockery of the Imperium as they raid and pillage, representing themselves as glorious soldiers of the Imperium. Looks like I just found my Terminator bases.
Really nice models, and the 30k range getting 8th rules is good news and will really help to fill the force out. But the lack of a combined Talons list with SoS is disappointing.
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
It might have to be, as the next logical step from gold is platinum, but that looks too silvery.
But being termies, they have to be standing with their legs as far apart as possible...
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
It might have to be, as the next logical step from gold is platinum, but that looks too silvery.
But being termies, they have to be standing with their legs as far apart as possible...
...do...do either of you have a recipe for diamond armor painting? I know it was supposed to be a joke but that sounds awesome.
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
Custodians are long existing piece of 40k though outdating stormcasts and generally referred as pretyt darn good(which makes sense in that they were designed to be able to beat marines if need be. And now it seems like that's the ultimate purpose they had. To finish up last marines once they had annihilated each other near destruction).
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
It might have to be, as the next logical step from gold is platinum, but that looks too silvery.
But being termies, they have to be standing with their legs as far apart as possible...
Right? Besides, it'd allow them to sell cheap glitter spray as basecoat
Though they'd get a lot of respect from me if they release a technical paint forming itself into tiny cut gemstones upon drying.
Edit: I know what Custodes are, but they spent decades without being pushed (and one RT mini or where there more?) and now they're suddenly pushed really hard. Like they did with Grey Knights.
Call me when we get Thunder Warriors, they'll look more Mad Max grimdark I bet.
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
Custodians are long existing piece of 40k though outdating stormcasts and generally referred as pretyt darn good(which makes sense in that they were designed to be able to beat marines if need be. And now it seems like that's the ultimate purpose they had. To finish up last marines once they had annihilated each other near destruction).
Eh. They were a long existing piece of background. They stood guard, never left the imperial palace and there weren't many of them. There isn't really any reason to have them wandering around getting in pointless skirmishes
Glad my 25-ish Custodes (+Ixion Hale) are still waiting to be built.
Binabik15 wrote: I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
Not really. Custodes were always the pinnacle of the Imperium's forces. They were to the Emperor what the Space Marines were to the Primarchs. The Grey Knights were never better than them.
And it's not as if the imagery of the Custodes is new either. The Visions of Heresy books gave us the best look at what they'd be and, lo and behold, they look like that.
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
Custodians are long existing piece of 40k though outdating stormcasts and generally referred as pretyt darn good(which makes sense in that they were designed to be able to beat marines if need be. And now it seems like that's the ultimate purpose they had. To finish up last marines once they had annihilated each other near destruction).
Eh. They were a long existing piece of background. They stood guard, never left the imperial palace and there weren't many of them. There isn't really any reason to have them wandering around getting in pointless skirmishes
I mean, they're just a rarer version of the Grey Knights, who are rarer Space Marines.
If we want to use the principle of "they're super rare and hardly get involved", then we shouldn't see anywhere near the amount of Space Marines we do.
Besides, Custodes lore has evolved with the setting (almost as if the changing universe is creating change in the game too!) wherein Guilliman has told them to actually do something, instead of sitting on Terra like watermelons. Considering you could fluff any situation with Custodes in (they're long standing guardians of a vital Imperial location/they're on a live-fire exercise/they got ambushed/defending Terra) I see no reason they can't be played.
Should they have been prioritised over a xenos faction? Probably not, but giving them an HQ at least wasn't bad.
Eh. They were a long existing piece of background. They stood guard, never left the imperial palace and there weren't many of them. There isn't really any reason to have them wandering around getting in pointless skirmishes
I mean, they're just a rarer version of the Grey Knights, who are rarer Space Marines.
They are actually 10 times less rare than Grey Knights.
Wel... 8 times if you count losses during the daemonic assault on Terra while Astronomicon had been down.
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I’ve been waiting this for 15 years.
Eh. They were a long existing piece of background. They stood guard, never left the imperial palace and there weren't many of them. There isn't really any reason to have them wandering around getting in pointless skirmishes
I mean, they're just a rarer version of the Grey Knights, who are rarer Space Marines.
They are actually 10 times less rare than Grey Knights.
Wel... 8 times if you count losses during the daemonic assault on Terra while Astronomicon had been down.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Guys, i can’t describe how excited I am.
I’ve been waiting this for 15 years.
How many grey kngiths there are? Seems you say 100,000 seeing 10,000 is what custodians are quoted as being so if there's 10x grey knights then 10,000x10=100,000. Yeah they took casualties against daemons but then again current fluff seems to say they are grown more.
How many grey kngiths there are? Seems you say 100,000 seeing 10,000 is what custodians are quoted as being so if there's 10x grey knights then 10,000x10=100,000. Yeah they took casualties against daemons but then again current fluff seems to say they are grown more.
I don’t know what language is your mother tongue, but “less rare” means there are more Custodes than Grey Knights.
GK is just another chapter of +-1000 marines. Adeptus Custodes boasts 10 000 strong numbers.
Daemonic assault on terra costed 2000 cutodes lives according to the novel “Watchers of the throne: emperor’s legion”, meaning there are around 8k custodes at the start of the guilliman’s crusade. I highly doubt they recovered 2k losses in 100 years of combat that followed the dissolution of the law which bound them to Terra.
Still they are 8-10 times more codex worthy material than aforementioned 666th chapter.
Mr Morden wrote: Do we know if they can actually make more Custodes?
Seems they can which I don't personally like. They were personal project of Emperor custom made by him individually rather than mass produced. Did he leave instructions somewhere on how to make more of them?
Mr Morden wrote: Do we know if they can actually make more Custodes?
Seems they can which I don't personally like. They were personal project of Emperor custom made by him individually rather than mass produced. Did he leave instructions somewhere on how to make more of them?
The Emperor can still communicate, per Guilliman, if you're in the throne room which also happens to be a fave hangout space for Custodes. I imagine he told them.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I see. So If the Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device is now canon
He speeks to the Custodes and others on occassion such as Alicia and her companions of the Brides fo the Emepror (later Sisters of Battle), now is this actual speech or telepathy or other -not sure. He even spoke to old Inquisitor Draco back in the day IIRC
Mr Morden wrote: Do we know if they can actually make more Custodes?
Seems they can which I don't personally like. They were personal project of Emperor custom made by him individually rather than mass produced. Did he leave instructions somewhere on how to make more of them?
The Emperor can still communicate, per Guilliman, if you're in the throne room which also happens to be a fave hangout space for Custodes. I imagine he told them.
Right that. Though would he give such info to marines he was planning to get rid of in a first place? Well guess plans might change and getting wounded by Horus made him reconsider plan a bit
Personally I think the FW ones look a lot cooler, but I'll gladly use both.
People like FW ones?
They not only have bad proportions, they have buckethead helmet no human could see through without going chameleon-style cross-eyed. Just compare FW custode terminator head without helmet, the metal bit between lenses on helmet is so wide it would actually cover both eyes. 40K version is so superior in execution it's not even funny.
Ditto with bikes, 30K custodes bike looks like it was made from bent plasticard by someone who got bored halfway and didn't finish it, leaving gap where gun is looking like hole someone forgot to fill. 40K bike not only looks amazing, it makes whole of 30K custode vehicle range look obsolete, irrelevant, lazy, and not really fitting army theme...
Personally I think the FW ones look a lot cooler, but I'll gladly use both.
People like FW ones?
They not only have bad proportions, they have buckethead helmet no human could see through without going chameleon-style cross-eyed. Just compare FW custode terminator head without helmet, the metal bit between lenses on helmet is so wide it would actually cover both eyes. 40K version is so superior in execution it's not even funny.
Ditto with bikes, 30K custodes bike looks like it was made from bent plasticard by someone who got bored halfway and didn't finish it, leaving gap where gun is looking like hole someone forgot to fill. 40K bike not only looks amazing, it makes whole of 30K custode vehicle range look obsolete, irrelevant, lazy, and not really fitting army theme...
And 40k ones are overblinged as usual. Gw really needs to learn more bling does not equal better model. Often opposite.
Personally I think the FW ones look a lot cooler, but I'll gladly use both.
People like FW ones?
They not only have bad proportions, they have buckethead helmet no human could see through without going chameleon-style cross-eyed. Just compare FW custode terminator head without helmet, the metal bit between lenses on helmet is so wide it would actually cover both eyes. 40K version is so superior in execution it's not even funny.
Ditto with bikes, 30K custodes bike looks like it was made from bent plasticard by someone who got bored halfway and didn't finish it, leaving gap where gun is looking like hole someone forgot to fill. 40K bike not only looks amazing, it makes whole of 30K custode vehicle range look obsolete, irrelevant, lazy, and not really fitting army theme...
And 40k ones are overblinged as usual. Gw really needs to learn more bling does not equal better model. Often opposite.
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
Are we seeing a third armor type on the custodes bikers? They have an arched hood behind the helmet and different shaped shoulder pads along with maybe no leg armor as the lower limbs look like leather boots with straps and cloth.
Seems to be a lot of, for lack of a better word, hate for the custodes. Any background on that? I'm excited, and sad, they are getting a codex. I built a counts as grey knights custodes army in 6th edition using the Scribor Romans so will be cool to field them as a real army. However will be hard to resist the urge to build the army with all new models
Arachnofiend wrote: Well, there goes all of my excitement. Only a matter of time before the most garish army in the game gets its own codex, I guess...
I think it's funny how the "really, REALLY elite super soldiers better than Space Marines" used to be silver Grey Knights, but now it's all about "even MORE really, really super duper hardcore elite even better than those weak super elite Primaris guys" in ALL GOLD. With Stormcasts it feels like the Sun King's interior decorateur is running the current design team.
What'll be the next logical step up? An army of all Primarchs in DIAMOND armour?!
Not that those Termis look bad or anything, but the bling is getting crazy.
Custodians are long existing piece of 40k though outdating stormcasts and generally referred as pretyt darn good(which makes sense in that they were designed to be able to beat marines if need be. And now it seems like that's the ultimate purpose they had. To finish up last marines once they had annihilated each other near destruction).
Where's the finishing off marines background from? I'm not familiar with it
Personally I think the FW ones look a lot cooler, but I'll gladly use both.
People like FW ones?
They not only have bad proportions, they have buckethead helmet no human could see through without going chameleon-style cross-eyed. Just compare FW custode terminator head without helmet, the metal bit between lenses on helmet is so wide it would actually cover both eyes. 40K version is so superior in execution it's not even funny.
Ditto with bikes, 30K custodes bike looks like it was made from bent plasticard by someone who got bored halfway and didn't finish it, leaving gap where gun is looking like hole someone forgot to fill. 40K bike not only looks amazing, it makes whole of 30K custode vehicle range look obsolete, irrelevant, lazy, and not really fitting army theme...
And 40k ones are overblinged as usual. Gw really needs to learn more bling does not equal better model. Often opposite.
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
A heads up display would be a display on the inside of a helmet. If we want to split hairs, the auto-senses would be the apparatus for gathering that information.
changemod wrote: A heads up display would be a display on the inside of a helmet. If we want to split hairs, the auto-senses would be the apparatus for gathering that information.
If it has the apparatus for collecting, surely it has a display.
Though it would have been cool if the other codex releases also would've been accompanied even by a single new character mini or something like that. Not really something necessarily needed, but would have been a nice gesture.
I dont know if anyone said it before, but these look actually like a fine starting point for a kickass Abbadon conversion. Not sure how much work is necessary to properly defile the armor, but size, top-knot, weapons... it looks like it just might work.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: They've released one Dark Angel model from the year prior to the Admech codex to the current day.
Plus all the special DA Primaris boxes - and thats more than the other non Marine dexes got. They did not get a single new model between them last year.
Others have already reply to you, but, I can change my avatar if thats offends you?
Not really a question of offence but I must admit that when I read the text saying just wait for the other dex's it will come eventually combined with a avatar that is Dark Angel who already have a dex well it was a bit iriritating - so appologies for that.
Yep - they did not bother with transports - altough they arein the fluff, they didn't bother with proper Skiatarii HQs - again despite them being in the fluff. There is so much more they could have done but they didn't bother. So yep half assed.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: They've released one Dark Angel model from the year prior to the Admech codex to the current day.
Plus all the special DA Primaris boxes - and thats more than the other non Marine dexes got. They did not get a single new model between them last year.
Others have already reply to you, but, I can change my avatar if thats offends you?
Not really a question of offence but I must admit that when I read the text saying just wait for the other dex's it will come eventually combined with a avatar that is Dark Angel who already have a dex well it was a bit iriritating - so appologies for that.
Yep - they did not bother with transports - altough they arein the fluff, they didn't bother with proper Skiatarii HQs - again despite them being in the fluff. There is so much more they could have done but they didn't bother. So yep half assed.
Yeah, the lack of transports and a skitarrii HQ is a problem. In fact, they didn't release any new models. All they did was compile the two books into a single one, which is what they should have done to begin with.
I mean, would it have been so bad to have a drill transport or an ornithopter or something?
MasterSlowPoke wrote: They've released one Dark Angel model from the year prior to the Admech codex to the current day.
Plus all the special DA Primaris boxes - and thats more than the other non Marine dexes got. They did not get a single new model between them last year.
Others have already reply to you, but, I can change my avatar if thats offends you?
Not really a question of offence but I must admit that when I read the text saying just wait for the other dex's it will come eventually combined with a avatar that is Dark Angel who already have a dex well it was a bit iriritating - so appologies for that.
Yep - they did not bother with transports - altough they arein the fluff, they didn't bother with proper Skiatarii HQs - again despite them being in the fluff. There is so much more they could have done but they didn't bother. So yep half assed.
Yeah, the lack of transports and a skitarrii HQ is a problem. In fact, they didn't release any new models. All they did was compile the two books into a single one, which is what they should have done to begin with.
I mean, would it have been so bad to have a drill transport or an ornithopter or something?
Exactly - which is all the more annoying when they "had" to make special Primaris boxes for both Blood Angels and Dark Angels as well as the Primaris boxes already made.
Also just like Custodes, Ad Mec already have some of these things covered by Forgeworld - but nope can't use them, again whilst Marines get to use "relic" war machines - cos Marines.
They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.
Galas wrote: They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.
Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: They've released one Dark Angel model from the year prior to the Admech codex to the current day.
Plus all the special DA Primaris boxes - and thats more than the other non Marine dexes got. They did not get a single new model between them last year.
Others have already reply to you, but, I can change my avatar if thats offends you?
Not really a question of offence but I must admit that when I read the text saying just wait for the other dex's it will come eventually combined with a avatar that is Dark Angel who already have a dex well it was a bit iriritating - so appologies for that.
Yep - they did not bother with transports - altough they arein the fluff, they didn't bother with proper Skiatarii HQs - again despite them being in the fluff. There is so much more they could have done but they didn't bother. So yep half assed.
Yeah, the lack of transports and a skitarrii HQ is a problem. In fact, they didn't release any new models. All they did was compile the two books into a single one, which is what they should have done to begin with.
I mean, would it have been so bad to have a drill transport or an ornithopter or something?
Exactly - which is all the more annoying when they "had" to make special Primaris boxes for both Blood Angels and Dark Angels as well as the Primaris boxes already made.
Also just like Custodes, Ad Mec already have some of these things covered by Forgeworld - but nope can't use them, again whilst Marines get to use "relic" war machines - cos Marines.
The 'special' Primaries boxes are just a tiny upgrade sprue in with the existing primaris stuff. They weren't done 'instead' of anything, except maybe 2 different tiny upgrade sprues.
Galas wrote: They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.
Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.
Maybe - maybe not - we will just have to wait and see.
The 'special' Primaries boxes are just a tiny upgrade sprue in with the existing primaris stuff. They weren't done 'instead' of anything, except maybe 2 different tiny upgrade sprues.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Galas wrote: They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.
Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.
Maybe - maybe not - we will just have to wait and see.
The 'special' Primaries boxes are just a tiny upgrade sprue in with the existing primaris stuff. They weren't done 'instead' of anything, except maybe 2 different tiny upgrade sprues.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?
I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).
ironicsilence wrote: Seems to be a lot of, for lack of a better word, hate for the custodes. Any background on that? I'm excited, and sad, they are getting a codex. I built a counts as grey knights custodes army in 6th edition using the Scribor Romans so will be cool to field them as a real army. However will be hard to resist the urge to build the army with all new models
Can you please share? I recently made a topic for posting my Scibor Custodes, would love if you show yours.
Scibor miniatures for custodians are so rare...
And I also played them as Grey Knights. Also used his servants miniatures for wyrdvane psykers in 7ed.
In 8ed I am going to field them as fluffy as possible along with Sisters of Silence.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?
I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).
Because they can;t produce enough to refill the lines but at the same time the warehouse is full, this was a major problem over Christmas and lead up to it
they do have the issue of an ever expanding range - not just in the primary storage areas but in th e stores - hence my point about the boxes - thats 8 new boxes of Primaris that the manager has to find space for until they can sell them or send back after an appropriate period has elapsed - which is what my local says.
either way its less display space for non marines.
Going back to Custodes - I do like the Black and Gold ones more than the gold and red
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
And how marines got to this stage? By funny that selling more. It's not like GW decided originally "let's make only marines". It's what just customers wanted.
People want other stuff, vote with wallets and don't buy marines.
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
And how marines got to this stage? By funny that selling more. It's not like GW decided originally "let's make only marines". It's what just customers wanted.
People want other stuff, vote with wallets and don't buy marines.
Yes, because as we all know, xenos, ig and admech players buy marines. Marine players will always buy marines. And there happens to be more marine players than most. Saying "don't buy marines" is useless. You know what would be useful? If GW promoted non-powered armor armies more than PA armies from time to time. Which they do, to be fair. Sandwiched between several PA armor releases.
Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time. Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle. Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.
I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.
It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.
Well past time. Ever since the GSC release there has been nothing but a seemingly endless tide of Power Armoured dudes of one description or another. We're all well aware that Marines are the poster boys and that Chaos are the favoured enemy but there's no excuse for excluding all other factions from getting releases in that time frame and it's increasingly alienating a proportion of the fandom.
Well past time. Ever since the GSC release there has been nothing but a seemingly endless tide of Power Armoured dudes of one description or another. We're all well aware that Marines are the poster boys and that Chaos are the favoured enemy but there's no excuse for excluding all other factions from getting releases in that time frame and it's increasingly alienating a proportion of the fandom.
The thing that irks me about this release is that it doesn't cover the indexes evenly.
So far we've had
That's 5 imperial 1 codices, 4 chaos codices, 3 imperial 2 codices, 1 xenos 1 codice and 1 xenos 2 codice.
That means that xenos 1 and 2 are 2-4 codices behind everyone else. That's a bit of a discrepancy.
Did we get any kind of release date for this stuff?
Because don't forget we had Death Guard previewed quite far in advance of their release. Who's to say that 1k Sons and Custodes are actually happening before anything more?
We know that Necrons, Daemons, and Tau didn't get points adjustments in CA and Daemons went up for preorder today.
Kanluwen wrote: Did we get any kind of release date for this stuff?
Because don't forget we had Death Guard previewed quite far in advance of their release. Who's to say that 1k Sons and Custodes are actually happening before anything more?
We know that Necrons, Daemons, and Tau didn't get points adjustments in CA and Daemons went up for preorder today.
The hint for feb WD is ‘whole lotta gold’ so I’d say the Custodes are probably Feb.
That's 5 imperial 1 codices, 4 chaos codices, 3 imperial 2 codices, 1 xenos 1 codice and 1 xenos 2 codice.
That means that xenos 1 and 2 are 2-4 codices behind everyone else. That's a bit of a discrepancy.
Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5
Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.
Ah well. Anyway Imperial codexes are running short so aliens are going to be in quick cluster then to get all codexes out as per GW saying they would. Order is not one I would make but it is what it is.
Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time. Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle. Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5
Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.
Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky. Edit : Oh wow, I just checked the index. The guard are T5 with 3w each. That's kind of scary. Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.
Well okay I admit I'm not familiar with 8th ed rules but at least 30k they are S5 T5 WS5 BS5 W2 A2 marine munching combat monsters you do not want to let get anywhere near anything with power armour and high price.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
They are one in the same, Auto-senses is just the 40k name for it.
That's not how auto-senses were described. From the description of Mk 2 armour, the first to have auto-senses -
"The helmet is fitted with automatic sensory devices developed on Mars, which allow the wearer to see and hear as though not wearing a helmet, and, since all information is transmitted to a computer in the helmet before being transmitted directly to the wearer's brain via neural link, it enhances sight and hearing while dampening blinding lights and deafening noises. The wearer is also able to see in the infra-red and ultra-violet spectrums, images can be zoomed in and magnified while noises can be enhanced"
There's also this from Fulgrim -
"Solomon turned as Marius Vairosean removed his helmet and shook his head to clear the momentary disorientation of returning to the employment of his own senses as opposed to those of his Mk IV plate"
That's the whole point of auto-senses. You couldn't fit a HUD inside the helmet, there isn't room. When a Space Marine puts his helmet on he doesn't use his eyes or ears, everything is fed to his brain via the neural link, he doesn't see the helmet, he doesn't look out of the eye lenses. Why would they have something so primitive as a HUD, they're even starting to do away with them today?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.
Well okay I admit I'm not familiar with 8th ed rules but at least 30k they are S5 T5 WS5 BS5 W2 A2 marine munching combat monsters you do not want to let get anywhere near anything with power armour and high price.
edit: And even tankier in 8th ed it seems
Sadly 8th is all about the horde and custodes suck [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that opinion - Alpharius], still like you say good for 30k which is what I have them for.
You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.
I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.
It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.
If "slightly weaker girl marines" is enough of a distinction to warrant a unique codex, "slightly stronger vampire marines", "slightly stronger wolf marines" and "power-creep Banana Marines" are large enough distinctions as well.
You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.
I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.
It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.
If "slightly weaker girl marines" is enough of a distinction to warrant a unique codex, "slightly stronger vampire marines", "slightly stronger wolf marines" and "power-creep Banana Marines" are large enough distinctions as well.
Budy. All you did was repeat what Jack was saying back to himself in a fairly condescending way.
Jack legit just said if the flavors of Space marine can justify being different books, then their is no reason to lump SOS and SOB into the same army book.
How would you dedicate SOS to a single book though? My reasoning for merging with with SoB was because they have similar functions within the imperium, and as such a synthesis seemed logical.
Then again, I happened to like the 3rd ed Inquisition books and I do think that Marines should be compiled into a single (albeit thick) volume rather than spread across different books, and think the dedicated Custodian book is unneeded, so there you go.
Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5
Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.
Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Edit : Oh wow, I just checked the index. The guard are T5 with 3w each. That's kind of scary. .
And 50+ points with gear, for the non-'terminator' version. They're tanky, but not all that impressive, and offensively pretty awful.
The catch with t5 is it isn't that amazing. Guard treat them exactly the same as terminators. It matters twitches the to-wound number for bolters and heavy bolters, but honestly not much else. The extra wound is more than offset by the extra points.
Despite being even-more-better 'marines' they're even easier to swarm and kill than primaris or normal marines. Mechanically I don't know how they're supposed to accomplish things on the table, and it makes me wonder if GW really knows how the edition's math works. Woo, 2 S4 shots per 50+ points... that'll put a dent in... nothing.
With that as a starting point, a terminator version kind of has to be worse.
Here is my video from the News Year Open day for the Adeptus Custodes, I asked all the questions and got as much information as possible, enjoy! If you have any questions leave them in the video comments and I will do my best to get back to you!
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?
I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).
Because they can;t produce enough to refill the lines but at the same time the warehouse is full, this was a major problem over Christmas and lead up to it
they do have the issue of an ever expanding range - not just in the primary storage areas but in th e stores - hence my point about the boxes - thats 8 new boxes of Primaris that the manager has to find space for until they can sell them or send back after an appropriate period has elapsed - which is what my local says.
either way its less display space for non marines.
Going back to Custodes - I do like the Black and Gold ones more than the gold and red
I'm wondering what the differance is going to be. watchers of the throne told us they switched from red robes to black after the emp died. it seems they've mostly gone back to red?
Before this new codex came out I was planning black robes with red lining, now I think I'll wait for the codex to see what it says (but proably go with my inital idea anyway cause it sounds cool
casvalremdeikun wrote: Why do I get the feeling I am going to regret building all of my Custodes as sword and board?
I am really hoping this is a good adjunct army to some of my other stuff. I don't plan on making a full army in gold.
You will not. In general, 4 with S&B led by a Spear Shield Captain is probably the best way currently. Their shootiness is terrible either way. But at least the swords are a "Pistol 2" weapon, st4 or not. That's going to help a LOT against low morale hordes. Even at BS3+ That's a decent amount of extra wounds even before melee.
the Shields give you the 3++ save that just keeps on giving. And frankly, Str 5 vs St 6 of the shields isn't a real big deal against the majority of armies out there (Yeah, there's a few, but not many). Especially since both do d3 damage, so they're equally good against vehicles and infantry and all.
As for the new stuff? Who the heck knows? Those 'nade launchers might be great at shooting up hordes. Ditto the Jetbikes. Or maybe excellent against vehicles? No clue!
The Forgeworld Stuff is hopefully not OP, and if not? Then Sagitarius Guard (or whatever that goes as!) will be a good fit. In 30k, at least, they're functionally wielding a combi-HeavyBolter/Melta gun (except they're Adrathic, which is even more awesome in 30k!). Yeah, you read that right. 5 of those should CHEW threw a horde, and be scary against anything that gets close enough to it or vehicles. They're probably even more exciting to me than the FW Dreads. And that's mostly because of how good hordes are in 8th versus 30k (Where they... kinda suck)
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How would you dedicate SOS to a single book though? My reasoning for merging with with SoB was because they have similar functions within the imperium, and as such a synthesis seemed logical.
Then again, I happened to like the 3rd ed Inquisition books and I do think that Marines should be compiled into a single (albeit thick) volume rather than spread across different books, and think the dedicated Custodian book is unneeded, so there you go.
SoS would fit better in an Imperial Agents book, alongside Inquisitors and Assassins.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they address the viability of the spears somehow. The swords just look utterly terrible.
They -claim- anti horde has been adressed, so I predict an extra attacks mechanism or upgraded guns.
Of course that extra attack will just make them even better elite killiers.
Not if it's like the Decimators for Stormcast, where their weapon has an "*" for attack value or something of that nature. The number of attacks generated by the weapon is equal to the number of models in base contact with the wielder.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they address the viability of the spears somehow. The swords just look utterly terrible.
They -claim- anti horde has been adressed, so I predict an extra attacks mechanism or upgraded guns.
Of course that extra attack will just make them even better elite killiers.
Not if it's like the Decimators for Stormcast, where their weapon has an "*" for attack value or something of that nature. The number of attacks generated by the weapon is equal to the number of models in base contact with the wielder.
Or like how the Knights and such do it- a weaker sweep attack with say 2 dice per attack, and a stronger stab.
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
Well, it makes sense, but if they had some sort of sensors feeding vision to brain, why they need lenses at all? Why make weak points in every SM and Custodes plate, if you don't need it?
Also, apparently no one sent auto-senses memo to Phil Kelly, as he has Tau mooks in his fluff perfectly 360 heashot no-sc0pe veteran Terminators through the lenses with zero problems
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
Well, it makes sense, but if they had some sort of sensors feeding vision to brain, why they need lenses at all? Why make weak points in every SM and Custodes plate, if you don't need it?
Also, apparently no one sent auto-senses memo to Phil Kelly, as he has Tau mooks in his fluff perfectly 360 heashot no-sc0pe veteran Terminators through the lenses with zero problems
Most authors over the past 10-15 years have got auto-senses completely wrong.
Np, they don't need lenses at all, but I guess it's the good old rule of cool again. Look what happened to caseless bolt ammunition...
Tau are different matter entirely. One, that part on their helmet doesn't look like a lens, it's an actual box in front of helmet that could be a camera. Two, their fluff, unlike stupid SM fluff, actually has them use sensors located away from operator... Well, until the Stormsurge designers forgot to read Tau memo and stupidly made open topped seating on the thing, making me wonder why Imperials can't kill SS with a well placed frag grenade
stormcraft wrote: What? The custodes vehicle and dreads from fw are extremely cool
Custodes vehicles from 30K are terrible. They share literally zero visual cues with their infantry. Flyers/skimmers are literally a copy of Tau visual aesthetic with some Imperial bits put here and there (Orion dropship looks closer to Barracuda than any human vehicle, all the way down to gun/winglet placement, while Piranha/Tetra just need side cockpit plates and replacement of drone with turret to magically transform into Coronus/Caladus), and if you told me they are gue'vesa vehicles, I'd compliment FW for job well done.
Now, walkers look a bit better, but only in the case of Galatus, and that thanks to being based on Contemptor. Telemon looks comically stupid, it's so top heavy one poke should send it falling and inevitably killing the pilot, not to mention the pauldrons making it look so dumb restrict arm movement for no reason, as they add nothing to protect any vital bit. Then there is the fact Galatus could in theory hit something SM sized on the ground, while Telemon, with its comical, stubby arm, would have problems hitting something as tall as boxnought! How that thing passed any review as a sensible war machine?
To me, Custodes are hand-crafted, hand-made masterpieces. Every surface of their armor is covered with fine art. None of their vehicles looks the part, flyers look ugly and industrial, walkers look malformed and impractical (come on, they should be closest to human proportions of all dreadnoughts and move with acrobatic grace, plus be beautiful, not be something that look 2nd edition Terminator anatomy look sensible and well balanced in comparison), bikes are just dildos with a gun slit that looks like it was hacked out with an axe.
New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
Chalk it up to personal taste being different, but the Telemon is one of my favorite models in all of Forgeworld, and I hope the 40k Custodes gain access to it because I would love to own multiple of them.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
I agree that the GW bikes are way better than the FW ones. I wouldn’t say that the FW Custodes tanks are terrible though. They share design cues with the scimitar jetbikes and javelin speeders since hover tech is old, pre-unification wars technology distinguished in by an almost Art Deco style.
Having said that, if this is what GW can do with jetbikes, I really hope they move on to other vehicles for the Custodes eventually.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
More bling certainly doesn’t mean a better model, but I wouldn’t say the reverse is true either. More of a case of no correlation in my opinion.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
They are the ultra exclusive bikes of the ultra-elite ceremonial honour guard of the Emperor himself. And even then, they don't have that much bling. But if something in the imperium needs to have so much bling that it makes you cry it should be Custodes and Custodes-related stuff.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
They are the ultra exclusive bikes of the ultra-elite ceremonial honour guard of the Emperor himself. And even then, they don't have that much bling. But if something in the imperium needs to have so much bling that it makes you cry it should be Custodes and Custodes-related stuff.
There's bling and then there's overbling. Bling good, overbling bad. Custodian or not.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Going by that reasoning, every individual planetary defence force should have at least a thousand codecies.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Going by that reasoning, every individual planetary defence force should have at least a thousand codecies.
Yeah, not buying that logic either.
Never said GK deserved a codex either...SW, yes.
The impression I always got from custodes is they were a special forces type group. Sort of what the Royal Guards were for Palpatine, they were the Emps personal retinue and body guards.
I think custodes are a cool addition, but not as a force all their own. Their presence can be expressed in game without needing to devote more energy to another force. At this point all this is doing is adding to the bloat of the game.
In a vacuum I really like how FW's Custodes tanks look, but I have to agree they don't look at all custodesy. The only thing that ties them to the infantry is the paint job. Even the golden swirlies are just painted on. With different colours they'd look like Tau vehicles.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Agreed - there are more of them than any Chapter - full stop. They are a large part of the Crusade.
My problem with the release is that it should really have been Xenos - a few Codexes then do Custodes, Sisters (of both kinds) and the Inqusition. Then the remainig Marines.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Agreed - there are more of them than any Chapter - full stop. They are a large part of the Crusade.
My problem with the release is that it should really have been Xenos - a few Codexes then do Custodes, Sisters (of both kinds) and the Inqusition. Then the remainig Marines.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
Their subdivisions aren't really like the dividing into chapters, as far as we know so far. But there are some like the Vault Guardians. Heck the different types of Custodes; Regular, Terminator, Sagittarum are all members of different orders.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
It was said in that one video that different armour colours represent different subdivisions. There are at least black, white and gold departments. Not sure if this will be reflected in the rules.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
It was said in that one video that different armour colours represent different subdivisions. There are at least black, white and gold departments. Not sure if this will be reflected in the rules.
Yeah I wondered as they are one of the few factions that don't have it in the Indexes.
I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.
My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?
Cephalobeard wrote: I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.
My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?
I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible
Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.
Cephalobeard wrote: Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.
Cephalobeard wrote: I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.
My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?
I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible
he's no longer the Captain-general, so he's proably not alive no. unless they pull a "Bjorn" and give the Custodes a named dreadnought character (which would be awesome) OR pull a "it's the same guy, differant name cause named earn over 10k years yo?"
as for differnt "chapters" I'd find that unlikely for the Custodes, but I suppose it's possiable. We know VERY little about the custodes
Cephalobeard wrote: I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.
My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?
I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible
he's no longer the Captain-general, so he's proably not alive no. unless they pull a "Bjorn" and give the Custodes a named dreadnought character (which would be awesome) OR pull a "it's the same guy, differant name cause named earn over 10k years yo?"
as for differnt "chapters" I'd find that unlikely for the Custodes, but I suppose it's possiable. We know VERY little about the custodes
Valdor in a Telemon gave me a stronger erection than should be physically possible.
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Crimson wrote: Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.
I fully believe they're all very old at this point. I haven't ready anything to indicate time is a factor for them, or age at all, honestly. If need to be shown they do age to be concerned with them falling apart over time.
Crimson wrote: Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.
We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.
the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.
Cephalobeard wrote: Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.
Or just watching and repeatedly facepalming.
And playing children's card games with Tzeentch while getting really mad about Tau
Crimson wrote: Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.
We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.
the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.
Ten thousand year old salamanders, there was a five thousand year old Ultramarine, Dante is 1500 and alive and kicking. We have never been given an example of a Custodes aging. Lemme have my hope, my dude.
Crimson wrote: Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.
A few reasons:
Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.
The Emperor is a biological entity, and he was roughly 38,000 years old at the time of his internment in the Golden Throne (going off Lexicanum's figures that the Emperor was born in ~8,000 BCE and the Siege of Terra was early M.31). That implies that such lifespans are physically possible, and as the Emperor engineered the Custodes with total access to his own makeup as a template for how to achieve something like that it's not far-fetched to believe he might have succeeded.
Absent a more precise timeline of the Unification Wars I can't be more specific on this point, but if Valdor's title as the First of the Ten Thousand can be taken literally (as in he was the first (or at least among the first) of the Custodes) he's at least two thousand years old during the Horus Heresy, and he doesn't seem to be showing any signs of slowing down.
That said I suspect we're going to find out he died chasing Traitors some time after the Siege of Terra, if only because the model they've shown us for Valoris (the current Captain-General) looks nothing like Valdor and somehow it makes more sense than saying "yeah, Valdor survived ten thousand years in the top job in a universe where that means you have to duel other folks' grand champions all the time (thereby drawing accusations of "yeah, he lived ten thousand years by sitting on his ass not getting in fights" and inviting mockery), and grew his nose out for the 41st Milennium".
Crimson wrote: Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.
We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.
the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.
Ten thousand year old salamanders, there was a five thousand year old Ultramarine, Dante is 1500 and alive and kicking. We have never been given an example of a Custodes aging. Lemme have my hope, my dude.
And the HH era Iron Warrior warsmith (Dantioch?) Got aged 2000-3000 years by hrud and turned into the old man from the Six Flags commercials in the US. The fluff, if what is said above is true, is very inconsistent. We're those salamander and UM Astartes affected by stasis or time warps?
They could have Valdor has a playable character even if he is death... literally you can do Valdor from the basic Custodes box, the mohawk head his him.
Galas wrote: They could have Valdor has a playable character even if he is death... literally you can do Valdor from the basic Custodes box, the mohawk head his him.
Maybe they'll jump on the Primarch-resurrecting bandwagon and have them wake up Valdor from the stasis tube somewhere under the Imperial Palace where he's been sleeping for ten thousand years.
I prefer just making historical characters usable even if they are death, like Solar Macharius, Valdor, etc... is not like anybody has a problem with Aun'va being dead.
Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.
You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.
Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.
You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.
Is it? We're directly told theyre individually made from the emperor, that Valdor was the first and fought alongside the Emperor for what was likely hundreds, if not longer years and he in all references is near the power of a Primarch in combat, even having bested horus in a duel, and looks as youthful as any other figure. None have suggested they are immortal, but I believe the evidence of their likely longevity is more supporting than reasons to doubt what is possible.
That being said, I'll accept his death or that they do age if and when it's presented.
Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.
You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.
I don't know if they are unaging, I just know that according to the information I've been presented the "natural lifespan" of a Space Marine is pretty darn long, at which point I might assume that the natural lifespan of a Custodian could well be longer.
Considering Valdor, for instance, to accept that he's still around in the 41st Milennium without a period spent in stasis you don't have to assume Custodes are immortal, you merely have to assume that their natural lifespan runs long enough that he could still be active at a rough age of 12,000.
From Master Chapter Valarak's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IuocyX6JKA ), for people that believes Custodes are just golden by fluff, he says that in the codex they are gonna talk about different "branches" in the Custodes. Personally for me white or black, they are both much better than the golden saturation of the normal Custodes:
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And Tneva82, I don't know why do you say that the GW jet bikes have too much bling? They have literally just the eagle in front, they don't have anymore decoration. is just that they are golden:
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They are much more respectfull to the art design than the FW ones:
Cephalobeard wrote: The white is beautiful. That's, honestly, my favorite so far but I'd be so terrified to try and paint it.
I dunno, it looks like just white over the gold without highlights. Look at the shading on the feet, it's gold in the recesses.
It may be that I'm on mobile, but that looks like agrax or some form of wash in the recessed areas. In general white is just a daunting color to paint, and it makes me want to pull my hair out.
As good as the jetbikes look (and they look really good), I can't help but get a bit of a Tau feel from them.
...Those Custodes 'chapters' also feel like a completely forced way to try to shove some variety into a faction that really just does not have the depth to be worth its own range. Of course, we'll also get a bunch of fluff about how they were 'there all along,' which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so painfully transparent.
Fafnir wrote: As good as the jetbikes look (and they look really good), I can't help but get a bit of a Tau feel from them.
...Those Custodes 'chapters' also feel like a completely forced way to try to shove some variety into a faction that really just does not have the depth to be worth its own range. Of course, we'll also get a bunch of fluff about how they were 'there all along,' which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so painfully transparent.
They aren't "chapters" equivalents, although they are obviously there to add canon-friendly paint variety to the range: The white ones are supposed to protect relics and the """"geneseed""" of the custodes, and the black guys are ... keepers of secrets, whatever that means (Maybe they know about the two lost legions?!)
It may be that I'm on mobile, but that looks like agrax or some form of wash in the recessed areas. In general white is just a daunting color to paint, and it makes me want to pull my hair out.
Oh, I totally get that. I'd dread painting something white in the majority like White Scars, where you have to do a ton of grey shading working up to white to give it definition, but the white custodes image doesn't seem to have much shading on the white areas, so it seems a lot simpler in concept, though you have to work around the gold parts, assuming a gold basecoat.
Though I'd be tempted to start with bone and work up to white, personally. Good news is no matter what, it's a small number of models overall.
I'm pretty excited for the Custodes release, they look amazing. Haters can hate all they want, but I'll be making an army of them.
It is a LITTLE strange that in the 20 years since I started playing Eldar we've gotten plastic Necrons (twice), Tau (twice), Dark Eldar, plastic herlequins, plastic AdMech, plastic Genestealer cults, plastic Grey Knights, plastic Deathwatch, not to mention all of the plastic superheavies & mini-titans all before Eldar got plastic Aspect Warriors. And if rumors are true, we'll have plastic SoB before plastic Aspect Warriors as well.
For the white armor variant, that's more like an off-white or Bone-white, it even has edge highlights. It's actually very easy to cheat that look, I did it on my Deathwing spoilered below.
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Prime white and let it dry then paint on a heavy wash of seraphim sepia/armypainter light tone and let it dry. Then just go back with a q-tip dipped in rubbing alcohol and wipe most of the wash away, leaving a stained off-white. That's where these pics were taken, I later painted the other details and went back with a brown micron pen to even out the panel lining. It's very fast and looks great
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
Cephalobeard wrote: I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.
My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?
Well he doesn't need to be still alive for model&rules.
Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.
Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.
Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.
Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.
Sides I thought stormcasts where just space marines.
and of course we know space marines are just (empire) knights in space....
Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.
Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.
Sides I thought stormcasts where just space marines.
and of course we know space marines are just (empire) knights in space....
Celestine is closer to Stormcasts than Custodes (in fact, some readings could be interpreted as Celestine being the result of the emperor trying to MAKE stormcasts)
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.
And the Blance art showing them all armored up was in the 3rd Edition rulebook and I believe used before even that.
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
No its not. They were superhumans back 3rd ed, iirc.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
Am absolutely in love with these new models, especially the jetbikes. I thought about starting a Custodes army for Horus Heresy a while back, and bought some Custodians to start, but that didn't go anywhere. Now I might just need to start that project back up..
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.
Am I the only one who found it funny? He is joking lol
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.
Even if you JUST look at the novels the guy is fulla it. Custodes are clearly seen in a "in combat" situation at LEAST as early as 2010s First heretic. which predates storm cast eternals by years
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.
The earliest incarnation of the Custodes that I know was the "Emperor's Companions" as they appeared in the novel 'Inquisitor', first published in 1990.
"Squads of tall helmeted Emperor's Companions stood to attention vigilantly, armed with laser-spears and plasma guns, black cloaks aswirl around naked torsos of tattoed corded muscle."
I don't if this is the same in the retconned 2004 version 'Draco', as I only have the original.
All this talk about which of the Golden boys came first/which is better is very interesting and all, however, neither are that important.
Speaking of important things though, what do we know about the incoming Thousand Sons? Do we know anything more than the fact their codex is on it's way?
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??
Nightlord1987 wrote: Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??
We've seen jet bikes before. We've seen space marines before. Call me when they've done something other than take the same we've already seen a hundred times and painted it gold.
I knew it was older than 3rd Edition, but that was when I got into 40k and I’ve always loved that piece of art. Really set the mood of 40k for me and I can still remember looking at it in high school and being blown away by it.
At any rate, I’m excited to finally get the Custodes project running after they’ve been sitting in storage for a year. I just wonder what 30k goodness will be getting 40k rules. I hope I can use my grav tanks.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??
This is slowly becoming the 'flat earth' of 40k.
Deny it all you want, but I'm willing to bet the next time we see a Standard marine model released it will be some Anniversary Collectors thing.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??
This is slowly becoming the 'flat earth' of 40k.
Deny it all you want, but I'm willing to bet the next time we see a Standard marine model released it will be some Anniversary Collectors thing.
Good, the squat marines look terrible next to primaris.
There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.
GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.
Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.
cuda1179 wrote: There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.
GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.
Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.
The thing is though the reason a lot of Xenos/Sisters/etc players are getting annoyed(I really dislike when people use "hate" and "hater" to refer to annoyance or irritation expressed fairly reasonably in most cases) is the second part of that Faustian pact, the whole "fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return" bit, has been falling by the wayside of late.
cuda1179 wrote: There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.
GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.
Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.
The thing is though the reason a lot of Xenos/Sisters/etc players are getting annoyed(I really dislike when people use "hate" and "hater" to refer to annoyance or irritation expressed fairly reasonably in most cases) is the second part of that Faustian pact, the whole "fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return" bit, has been falling by the wayside of late.
There are 29 armies in 40k currently, only 9 of which are Xenos. It is only logical there will be quite long periods without new Xeno releases. It is not as if Xeno armies are the only ones that have to wait a long time for new releases. Anything that is not Codex: Space Marines has to wait a long time for new releases. Getting annoyed and complaining about it only seems impatient to me. Not that a bit of complaining is bad, but the extent to which some people are taking it goes way too far.
I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?
It's probably easier to churn out the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codexes anyways because they're basically the Space Marine codex with a few additions and changes. Ditto for Death Guard and Thousand Sons.
Writing a "spin-off" codex like DA or TS likely takes a fraction of the time it takes to write a Tau or Eldar codex.
Custodes probably takes a bit more effort than TS or DA, though.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.
No way man, they're GW's attempt at redoing rough riders so they can discontinue the Imperial Guard line!
Galas wrote: I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?
My suspicion is they'll come with actual miniature kits attached. Wolf-mutant primaris or some such things. They've got 'stable for now' and 'possible unlooked for mutations' lurking out in the world as statements, and who better to get the something special than the ultimate in special snowflake marines?
And/or they wanted to spread the release dates of some of the guaranteed earners out, because they lack confidence in the long term.
Yeah the Woofs will get a bigger release because Russ will be one of their new minis.
I doubt Harlis will get anything. Odds are Necrons won't get anything either. Dark Eldar are an outside chance, but Ynari might be the 'big' Eldar release. Tau could go either way. On one hand their last big expansion wasn't that long ago. On the other hand, big robots are popular, so they could churn out a couple more of those and call it a Codex.
World Eaters and Emperor's Children will be the big Codex releases. I doubt Genestealer Cults will get anything given how new they are.
I can see Sisters being rolled into the Codex that brings the Sisters of Silence into the fore.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah the Woofs will get a bigger release because Russ will be one of their new minis.
I doubt Harlis will get anything. Odds are Necrons won't get anything either. Dark Eldar are an outside chance, but Ynari might be the 'big' Eldar release. Tau could go either way. On one hand their last big expansion wasn't that long ago. On the other hand, big robots are popular, so they could churn out a couple more of those and call it a Codex.
World Eaters and Emperor's Children will be the big Codex releases. I doubt Genestealer Cults will get anything given how new they are.
I can see Sisters being rolled into the Codex that brings the Sisters of Silence into the fore.
The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.
There are not 9 Xenos. There are 5. Eldar, Orks Tyranids, Necrons and T'au. Special Eldar have 3 books. If you consider Daemons extradimensional Xenos, then 6 Xenos. Marines (humans) good bad or indifferent, Will now have 10 books. 10 Power armor books. So creative. Count species and we have 5/6 Xenos and the rest are human. Nice to see that they have not had a new idea in what, 15 years?
So, since everyone is tired of talking about power armor, should I point out the tsons release will be porting some lovely beast/gor units to 40k? The vortex beast is quite nice looking, and I like the gors if only because it should now be possible to run a full beastman army in 40k. So that's something neat to be excited about. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if we end up with the same situation as the DG codex, and most tsons armies end up having only a token number of actual space marines within them.
Look at it like this, GW is sneaking beastmen, daemon engines, and zombie hordes into 40k by packaging them alongside the power armor. It's like tricking your picky eater child into having his vegetables by mixing them into the main dish.
Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.
No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.
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On another subject....God I hope the new tzangoor models also get kickass rules and flavours to acompany them!
SilverAlien wrote: So, since everyone is tired of talking about power armor, should I point out the tsons release will be porting some lovely beast/gor units to 40k? The vortex beast is quite nice looking, and I like the gors if only because it should now be possible to run a full beastman army in 40k. So that's something neat to be excited about. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if we end up with the same situation as the DG codex, and most tsons armies end up having only a token number of actual space marines within them.
Look at it like this, GW is sneaking beastmen, daemon engines, and zombie hordes into 40k by packaging them alongside the power armor. It's like tricking your picky eater child into having his vegetables by mixing them into the main dish.
Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.
Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.
streetsamurai wrote: Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.
I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.
Imateria wrote: The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.
Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.
SilverAlien wrote: Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.
streetsamurai wrote: Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.
I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.
Imateria wrote: The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.
Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.
If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release
Galas wrote: I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?
From Hastings list of 5 primarches Angron and Russ are to come so very plausible.
SilverAlien wrote: Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.
streetsamurai wrote: Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.
I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.
Imateria wrote: The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.
Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.
If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release
I'm not a Tau player but I kinda feel like just turning every faction into Guard is a terrible approach. Brood Brother has been ruinous for GSC, basically turning the army into a way to ally Tyranids and Guard together, I can't imagine Tau players want the same for their army.
SilverAlien wrote: Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.
streetsamurai wrote: Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.
I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.
Imateria wrote: The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.
Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.
If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release
Fw has dropped a lot of their kroot, they would be a logical expansion for tau. Things like shapers, knarloc riders, great knarloc, plastic hounds and krootox
). So if the price is say 40-45£ for 3 I would likely skip these and just get 
we've already seen a hundred times and painted it gold.
