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 Mr Morden wrote:


Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?

It was said in that one video that different armour colours represent different subdivisions. There are at least black, white and gold departments. Not sure if this will be reflected in the rules.

I won't be shocked if we get at least 2 or 3 more color options on top of those too. Because... why not? Especially in a Codex release.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?

It was said in that one video that different armour colours represent different subdivisions. There are at least black, white and gold departments. Not sure if this will be reflected in the rules.

Yeah I wondered as they are one of the few factions that don't have it in the Indexes.

I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.

My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.

My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?

I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible

Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.

Or just watching and repeatedly facepalming.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.

My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?

I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible

he's no longer the Captain-general, so he's proably not alive no. unless they pull a "Bjorn" and give the Custodes a named dreadnought character (which would be awesome) OR pull a "it's the same guy, differant name cause named earn over 10k years yo?"

as for differnt "chapters" I'd find that unlikely for the Custodes, but I suppose it's possiable. We know VERY little about the custodes

Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.

My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?

I would say its highly unlikely bit its also not impossible

he's no longer the Captain-general, so he's proably not alive no. unless they pull a "Bjorn" and give the Custodes a named dreadnought character (which would be awesome) OR pull a "it's the same guy, differant name cause named earn over 10k years yo?"

as for differnt "chapters" I'd find that unlikely for the Custodes, but I suppose it's possiable. We know VERY little about the custodes

Valdor in a Telemon gave me a stronger erection than should be physically possible.


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 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

I fully believe they're all very old at this point. I haven't ready anything to indicate time is a factor for them, or age at all, honestly. If need to be shown they do age to be concerned with them falling apart over time.

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.

the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Since he removed himself of Command of the Custodes thousand of years ago, I'd like to imagine he's the perfect example of who's been watching and waiting, discussing things with the Emperor this entire time.

Or just watching and repeatedly facepalming.

And playing children's card games with Tzeentch while getting really mad about Tau

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.

the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.

Ten thousand year old salamanders, there was a five thousand year old Ultramarine, Dante is 1500 and alive and kicking. We have never been given an example of a Custodes aging. Lemme have my hope, my dude.

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

A few reasons:

Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.

The Emperor is a biological entity, and he was roughly 38,000 years old at the time of his internment in the Golden Throne (going off Lexicanum's figures that the Emperor was born in ~8,000 BCE and the Siege of Terra was early M.31). That implies that such lifespans are physically possible, and as the Emperor engineered the Custodes with total access to his own makeup as a template for how to achieve something like that it's not far-fetched to believe he might have succeeded.

Absent a more precise timeline of the Unification Wars I can't be more specific on this point, but if Valdor's title as the First of the Ten Thousand can be taken literally (as in he was the first (or at least among the first) of the Custodes) he's at least two thousand years old during the Horus Heresy, and he doesn't seem to be showing any signs of slowing down.

That said I suspect we're going to find out he died chasing Traitors some time after the Siege of Terra, if only because the model they've shown us for Valoris (the current Captain-General) looks nothing like Valdor and somehow it makes more sense than saying "yeah, Valdor survived ten thousand years in the top job in a universe where that means you have to duel other folks' grand champions all the time (thereby drawing accusations of "yeah, he lived ten thousand years by sitting on his ass not getting in fights" and inviting mockery), and grew his nose out for the 41st Milennium".

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

We have at least one Salamnder Marine who was found alive from the Heresy. Custodes could be functionally immortal or simply as long lived as the Eldar. Its not that much of a stretch - even the Imperium in its current state can extend the life of "mortals" for hundreds of years.

the Emperor's chosen guardians could be immune to ageing but not violence.

Ten thousand year old salamanders, there was a five thousand year old Ultramarine, Dante is 1500 and alive and kicking. We have never been given an example of a Custodes aging. Lemme have my hope, my dude.

And the HH era Iron Warrior warsmith (Dantioch?) Got aged 2000-3000 years by hrud and turned into the old man from the Six Flags commercials in the US. The fluff, if what is said above is true, is very inconsistent. We're those salamander and UM Astartes affected by stasis or time warps?

They could have Valdor has a playable character even if he is death... literally you can do Valdor from the basic Custodes box, the mohawk head his him.

 Galas wrote:
They could have Valdor has a playable character even if he is death... literally you can do Valdor from the basic Custodes box, the mohawk head his him.

Maybe they'll jump on the Primarch-resurrecting bandwagon and have them wake up Valdor from the stasis tube somewhere under the Imperial Palace where he's been sleeping for ten thousand years.

I prefer just making historical characters usable even if they are death, like Solar Macharius, Valdor, etc... is not like anybody has a problem with Aun'va being dead.

 AnomanderRake wrote:


Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.

You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.

 Crimson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:


Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.

You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.

Is it? We're directly told theyre individually made from the emperor, that Valdor was the first and fought alongside the Emperor for what was likely hundreds, if not longer years and he in all references is near the power of a Primarch in combat, even having bested horus in a duel, and looks as youthful as any other figure. None have suggested they are immortal, but I believe the evidence of their likely longevity is more supporting than reasons to doubt what is possible.

That being said, I'll accept his death or that they do age if and when it's presented.

 Crimson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:


Space Marines don't tend to die of old age, we don't know what their natural lifespan is because they die in battle. Dante is generally presented as one of the older living Space Marines at over a thousand years old, yet he shows no sign of slowing down in any way that might indicate there is a limitation. The Space Marines were devised as a way to mass-produce something like the Custodes, which implies that their capabilities are lesser to the Custodes as a trade-off to taking less effort to create.

You're misinformed. Normal marines are not unaging, and BA are noted being longer-lived than other marines. This has been addressed in the background section multiple times, so I don't go in more detail here. I doubt that Custodes are unaging either, though I guess in theory it is possible. It just seems silly to assume something is immortal unless it is directly told that they're not.

I don't know if they are unaging, I just know that according to the information I've been presented the "natural lifespan" of a Space Marine is pretty darn long, at which point I might assume that the natural lifespan of a Custodian could well be longer.

Considering Valdor, for instance, to accept that he's still around in the 41st Milennium without a period spent in stasis you don't have to assume Custodes are immortal, you merely have to assume that their natural lifespan runs long enough that he could still be active at a rough age of 12,000.

From Master Chapter Valarak's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IuocyX6JKA ), for people that believes Custodes are just golden by fluff, he says that in the codex they are gonna talk about different "branches" in the Custodes. Personally for me white or black, they are both much better than the golden saturation of the normal Custodes:





And Tneva82, I don't know why do you say that the GW jet bikes have too much bling? They have literally just the eagle in front, they don't have anymore decoration. is just that they are golden:


They are much more respectfull to the art design than the FW ones:

The white is beautiful. That's, honestly, my favorite so far but I'd be so terrified to try and paint it.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
The white is beautiful. That's, honestly, my favorite so far but I'd be so terrified to try and paint it.

I dunno, it looks like just white over the gold without highlights. Look at the shading on the feet, it's gold in the recesses.

I think is more of a marble effect.

 John Prins wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
The white is beautiful. That's, honestly, my favorite so far but I'd be so terrified to try and paint it.

I dunno, it looks like just white over the gold without highlights. Look at the shading on the feet, it's gold in the recesses.

It may be that I'm on mobile, but that looks like agrax or some form of wash in the recessed areas. In general white is just a daunting color to paint, and it makes me want to pull my hair out.

As good as the jetbikes look (and they look really good), I can't help but get a bit of a Tau feel from them.

...Those Custodes 'chapters' also feel like a completely forced way to try to shove some variety into a faction that really just does not have the depth to be worth its own range. Of course, we'll also get a bunch of fluff about how they were 'there all along,' which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so painfully transparent.

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

It's not an assumption. Forgeworld books say that they are immortal, iirc.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

It's not an assumption. Forgeworld books say that they are immortal, iirc.

Citation needed.

 Fafnir wrote:
As good as the jetbikes look (and they look really good), I can't help but get a bit of a Tau feel from them.

...Those Custodes 'chapters' also feel like a completely forced way to try to shove some variety into a faction that really just does not have the depth to be worth its own range. Of course, we'll also get a bunch of fluff about how they were 'there all along,' which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so painfully transparent.

They aren't "chapters" equivalents, although they are obviously there to add canon-friendly paint variety to the range: The white ones are supposed to protect relics and the """"geneseed""" of the custodes, and the black guys are ... keepers of secrets, whatever that means (Maybe they know about the two lost legions?!)