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How would you dedicate SOS to a single book though? My reasoning for merging with with SoB was because they have similar functions within the imperium, and as such a synthesis seemed logical.
Then again, I happened to like the 3rd ed Inquisition books and I do think that Marines should be compiled into a single (albeit thick) volume rather than spread across different books, and think the dedicated Custodian book is unneeded, so there you go.
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Arbitrator wrote: We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.
But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines
To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.
If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5
Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.
Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Edit : Oh wow, I just checked the index. The guard are T5 with 3w each. That's kind of scary. .
And 50+ points with gear, for the non-'terminator' version. They're tanky, but not all that impressive, and offensively pretty awful.
The catch with t5 is it isn't that amazing. Guard treat them exactly the same as terminators. It matters twitches the to-wound number for bolters and heavy bolters, but honestly not much else. The extra wound is more than offset by the extra points.
Despite being even-more-better 'marines' they're even easier to swarm and kill than primaris or normal marines. Mechanically I don't know how they're supposed to accomplish things on the table, and it makes me wonder if GW really knows how the edition's math works. Woo, 2 S4 shots per 50+ points... that'll put a dent in... nothing.
With that as a starting point, a terminator version kind of has to be worse.
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Project: Thinking of creating HH 1st Company Imperial Fist Templars
Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.
Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.
and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.
It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'
Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.
Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.
Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?
I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).
Because they can;t produce enough to refill the lines but at the same time the warehouse is full, this was a major problem over Christmas and lead up to it
they do have the issue of an ever expanding range - not just in the primary storage areas but in th e stores - hence my point about the boxes - thats 8 new boxes of Primaris that the manager has to find space for until they can sell them or send back after an appropriate period has elapsed - which is what my local says.
either way its less display space for non marines.
Going back to Custodes - I do like the Black and Gold ones more than the gold and red
I'm wondering what the differance is going to be. watchers of the throne told us they switched from red robes to black after the emp died. it seems they've mostly gone back to red?
Before this new codex came out I was planning black robes with red lining, now I think I'll wait for the codex to see what it says (but proably go with my inital idea anyway cause it sounds cool
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casvalremdeikun wrote: Why do I get the feeling I am going to regret building all of my Custodes as sword and board?
I am really hoping this is a good adjunct army to some of my other stuff. I don't plan on making a full army in gold.
You will not. In general, 4 with S&B led by a Spear Shield Captain is probably the best way currently. Their shootiness is terrible either way. But at least the swords are a "Pistol 2" weapon, st4 or not. That's going to help a LOT against low morale hordes. Even at BS3+ That's a decent amount of extra wounds even before melee.
the Shields give you the 3++ save that just keeps on giving. And frankly, Str 5 vs St 6 of the shields isn't a real big deal against the majority of armies out there (Yeah, there's a few, but not many). Especially since both do d3 damage, so they're equally good against vehicles and infantry and all.
As for the new stuff? Who the heck knows? Those 'nade launchers might be great at shooting up hordes. Ditto the Jetbikes. Or maybe excellent against vehicles? No clue!
The Forgeworld Stuff is hopefully not OP, and if not? Then Sagitarius Guard (or whatever that goes as!) will be a good fit. In 30k, at least, they're functionally wielding a combi-HeavyBolter/Melta gun (except they're Adrathic, which is even more awesome in 30k!). Yeah, you read that right. 5 of those should CHEW threw a horde, and be scary against anything that gets close enough to it or vehicles. They're probably even more exciting to me than the FW Dreads. And that's mostly because of how good hordes are in 8th versus 30k (Where they... kinda suck)
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How would you dedicate SOS to a single book though? My reasoning for merging with with SoB was because they have similar functions within the imperium, and as such a synthesis seemed logical.
Then again, I happened to like the 3rd ed Inquisition books and I do think that Marines should be compiled into a single (albeit thick) volume rather than spread across different books, and think the dedicated Custodian book is unneeded, so there you go.
SoS would fit better in an Imperial Agents book, alongside Inquisitors and Assassins.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they address the viability of the spears somehow. The swords just look utterly terrible.
They -claim- anti horde has been adressed, so I predict an extra attacks mechanism or upgraded guns.
Of course that extra attack will just make them even better elite killiers.
Not if it's like the Decimators for Stormcast, where their weapon has an "*" for attack value or something of that nature. The number of attacks generated by the weapon is equal to the number of models in base contact with the wielder.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they address the viability of the spears somehow. The swords just look utterly terrible.
They -claim- anti horde has been adressed, so I predict an extra attacks mechanism or upgraded guns.
Of course that extra attack will just make them even better elite killiers.
Not if it's like the Decimators for Stormcast, where their weapon has an "*" for attack value or something of that nature. The number of attacks generated by the weapon is equal to the number of models in base contact with the wielder.
Or like how the Knights and such do it- a weaker sweep attack with say 2 dice per attack, and a stronger stab.
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
Well, it makes sense, but if they had some sort of sensors feeding vision to brain, why they need lenses at all? Why make weak points in every SM and Custodes plate, if you don't need it?
Also, apparently no one sent auto-senses memo to Phil Kelly, as he has Tau mooks in his fluff perfectly 360 heashot no-sc0pe veteran Terminators through the lenses with zero problems
If your only concern is that their oversized helmet can't maybe have cameras and a HUD, I'm not really seeing the problem.
The bikes I will agree were terrible, that's why I converted my own, assuming Bullock pattern bikes weren't coming.
I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?
Well, it makes sense, but if they had some sort of sensors feeding vision to brain, why they need lenses at all? Why make weak points in every SM and Custodes plate, if you don't need it?
Also, apparently no one sent auto-senses memo to Phil Kelly, as he has Tau mooks in his fluff perfectly 360 heashot no-sc0pe veteran Terminators through the lenses with zero problems
Most authors over the past 10-15 years have got auto-senses completely wrong.
Np, they don't need lenses at all, but I guess it's the good old rule of cool again. Look what happened to caseless bolt ammunition...
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Tau are different matter entirely. One, that part on their helmet doesn't look like a lens, it's an actual box in front of helmet that could be a camera. Two, their fluff, unlike stupid SM fluff, actually has them use sensors located away from operator... Well, until the Stormsurge designers forgot to read Tau memo and stupidly made open topped seating on the thing, making me wonder why Imperials can't kill SS with a well placed frag grenade
stormcraft wrote: What? The custodes vehicle and dreads from fw are extremely cool
Custodes vehicles from 30K are terrible. They share literally zero visual cues with their infantry. Flyers/skimmers are literally a copy of Tau visual aesthetic with some Imperial bits put here and there (Orion dropship looks closer to Barracuda than any human vehicle, all the way down to gun/winglet placement, while Piranha/Tetra just need side cockpit plates and replacement of drone with turret to magically transform into Coronus/Caladus), and if you told me they are gue'vesa vehicles, I'd compliment FW for job well done.
Now, walkers look a bit better, but only in the case of Galatus, and that thanks to being based on Contemptor. Telemon looks comically stupid, it's so top heavy one poke should send it falling and inevitably killing the pilot, not to mention the pauldrons making it look so dumb restrict arm movement for no reason, as they add nothing to protect any vital bit. Then there is the fact Galatus could in theory hit something SM sized on the ground, while Telemon, with its comical, stubby arm, would have problems hitting something as tall as boxnought! How that thing passed any review as a sensible war machine?
To me, Custodes are hand-crafted, hand-made masterpieces. Every surface of their armor is covered with fine art. None of their vehicles looks the part, flyers look ugly and industrial, walkers look malformed and impractical (come on, they should be closest to human proportions of all dreadnoughts and move with acrobatic grace, plus be beautiful, not be something that look 2nd edition Terminator anatomy look sensible and well balanced in comparison), bikes are just dildos with a gun slit that looks like it was hacked out with an axe.
New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
Chalk it up to personal taste being different, but the Telemon is one of my favorite models in all of Forgeworld, and I hope the 40k Custodes gain access to it because I would love to own multiple of them.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
I agree that the GW bikes are way better than the FW ones. I wouldn’t say that the FW Custodes tanks are terrible though. They share design cues with the scimitar jetbikes and javelin speeders since hover tech is old, pre-unification wars technology distinguished in by an almost Art Deco style.
Having said that, if this is what GW can do with jetbikes, I really hope they move on to other vehicles for the Custodes eventually.
Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
More bling certainly doesn’t mean a better model, but I wouldn’t say the reverse is true either. More of a case of no correlation in my opinion.
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Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
They are the ultra exclusive bikes of the ultra-elite ceremonial honour guard of the Emperor himself. And even then, they don't have that much bling. But if something in the imperium needs to have so much bling that it makes you cry it should be Custodes and Custodes-related stuff.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
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Irbis wrote: New 40K bikes blow the entirety of the 30K range away, they look like works of art, they share cues with multiple human factions, they look fast and graceful, even the spear the Custode on it carries got more attention and details than whole actual 30K Custode vehicles. In comparison, spear on 30K bike wouldn't even work as a weapon as presented, making me wonder if the sculptor even tried to imagine his design in motion (especially the fact that again, it can't even hit targets on the ground and the fact that bike either blocks you from using it or the target slams into your bike as soon as you hit him with spear...).
And the 40k bikes are overbusy overblinged. More bling!=good model. Actually more like reverse.
They are the ultra exclusive bikes of the ultra-elite ceremonial honour guard of the Emperor himself. And even then, they don't have that much bling. But if something in the imperium needs to have so much bling that it makes you cry it should be Custodes and Custodes-related stuff.
There's bling and then there's overbling. Bling good, overbling bad. Custodian or not.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Going by that reasoning, every individual planetary defence force should have at least a thousand codecies.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Going by that reasoning, every individual planetary defence force should have at least a thousand codecies.
Yeah, not buying that logic either.
Never said GK deserved a codex either...SW, yes.
The impression I always got from custodes is they were a special forces type group. Sort of what the Royal Guards were for Palpatine, they were the Emps personal retinue and body guards.
I think custodes are a cool addition, but not as a force all their own. Their presence can be expressed in game without needing to devote more energy to another force. At this point all this is doing is adding to the bloat of the game.
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In a vacuum I really like how FW's Custodes tanks look, but I have to agree they don't look at all custodesy. The only thing that ties them to the infantry is the paint job. Even the golden swirlies are just painted on. With different colours they'd look like Tau vehicles.
I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Agreed - there are more of them than any Chapter - full stop. They are a large part of the Crusade.
My problem with the release is that it should really have been Xenos - a few Codexes then do Custodes, Sisters (of both kinds) and the Inqusition. Then the remainig Marines.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
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I really have mixed feelings about them being a force worthy of their own codex. I never imagined that they were a large enough of a force. I don't know, if I were one of the other SM chapters I would be kind of miffed that the Custodes had this firepower and choose to not help sooner.
they're ten thousand strong. If Space Wolves, and Grey Knights deserve a codex, the Custodes do too.
Agreed - there are more of them than any Chapter - full stop. They are a large part of the Crusade.
My problem with the release is that it should really have been Xenos - a few Codexes then do Custodes, Sisters (of both kinds) and the Inqusition. Then the remainig Marines.
Custodes don't have a [Chapter]] or [Order]] so I assume they will have a generic tactics for all of them - unless anyone is aware of subdivisions within the Custodes?
Their subdivisions aren't really like the dividing into chapters, as far as we know so far. But there are some like the Vault Guardians. Heck the different types of Custodes; Regular, Terminator, Sagittarum are all members of different orders.
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