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 Crimson wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why people assume that the Custodes are immortal? Valdor is a pile of bone dust at this point.

It's not an assumption. Forgeworld books say that they are immortal, iirc.

Citation needed.

Found it. HH7 Inferno p.114 (print), "...they are effectively immortal, without perceptible ageing taking place after full maturity."

So it turns out we're assuming they're immortal because they are.

Ok. Thank you.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

It may be that I'm on mobile, but that looks like agrax or some form of wash in the recessed areas. In general white is just a daunting color to paint, and it makes me want to pull my hair out.

Oh, I totally get that. I'd dread painting something white in the majority like White Scars, where you have to do a ton of grey shading working up to white to give it definition, but the white custodes image doesn't seem to have much shading on the white areas, so it seems a lot simpler in concept, though you have to work around the gold parts, assuming a gold basecoat.

Though I'd be tempted to start with bone and work up to white, personally. Good news is no matter what, it's a small number of models overall.

I'm pretty excited for the Custodes release, they look amazing. Haters can hate all they want, but I'll be making an army of them.

It is a LITTLE strange that in the 20 years since I started playing Eldar we've gotten plastic Necrons (twice), Tau (twice), Dark Eldar, plastic herlequins, plastic AdMech, plastic Genestealer cults, plastic Grey Knights, plastic Deathwatch, not to mention all of the plastic superheavies & mini-titans all before Eldar got plastic Aspect Warriors. And if rumors are true, we'll have plastic SoB before plastic Aspect Warriors as well.

For the white armor variant, that's more like an off-white or Bone-white, it even has edge highlights. It's actually very easy to cheat that look, I did it on my Deathwing spoilered below.

So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm just hoping they do more interesting things to the Custodes to reinforce their individuality and lore behind them. Single model terminators gives me hope that's the case, I really just want to field the emperor's special boys.

My greatest Hope is for Valdor to still be alive and to somehow be a HQ option. That's too much to ask though, isn't it?

Well he doesn't need to be still alive for model&rules.


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 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

You kill a custodian it stays dead for good. Quite a difference.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.

Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.

Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.

Sides I thought stormcasts where just space marines.

and of course we know space marines are just (empire) knights in space....

BrianDavion wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So Custodes are essentially Stormcasts?

Yes, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean they're gold and come on 40mm bases. No, if by "essentially Stormcast" you mean any other properties of either Custodians or Stormcast.

Or, to put it another way, a Custodian is a Stormcast in the same way that an Ultramarines Terminator is a Cygnar Firefly warjack. One is a genetically engineered super-soldier in heavy armour adapted from suits designed to do maintenance inside active plasma reactors, who generally runs around in space. The other is a robot with a semi-independent magical brain designed to be linked with a wizard for greater efficiency carrying a magitek lightning gun, who generally runs around in Western Immoren. Both, however, come on 40mm bases and are generally painted blue.

Sides I thought stormcasts where just space marines.

and of course we know space marines are just (empire) knights in space....

Abandoned for the new shiny gold standard? Maybe.

Celestine is closer to Stormcasts than Custodes (in fact, some readings could be interpreted as Celestine being the result of the emperor trying to MAKE stormcasts)

I hope they're scaled appropriately as IMO it would be such a swing-and-a-miss if they were same size as Primaris power armored marines.

The Emperor hand crafted EACH Custode to be better than a marine and it's a joke if Mr. I am In Every Storyline Cawl supersedes that.

Nerdgasms...

Calm down folks.

The reference was to space marines and now Custodes about to come in 31 flavors.

 Kirasu wrote:
I hope they're scaled appropriately as IMO it would be such a swing-and-a-miss if they were same size as Primaris power armored marines.

The Emperor hand crafted EACH Custode to be better than a marine and it's a joke if Mr. I am In Every Storyline Cawl supersedes that.

We...already have Custodes tho? So we know how big they are. And they are slightly larger than primaris.

It seems like Custodes would work quite well by using all the different Stormcast color schemes.

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.

And the Blance art showing them all armored up was in the 3rd Edition rulebook and I believe used before even that.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

No its not. They were superhumans back 3rd ed, iirc.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Am absolutely in love with these new models, especially the jetbikes. I thought about starting a Custodes army for Horus Heresy a while back, and bought some Custodians to start, but that didn't go anywhere. Now I might just need to start that project back up..

 Galas wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.

Am I the only one who found it funny? He is joking lol

 ImAGeek wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

That’s not true at all, considering all the art of them as gold armoured warriors from the Horus Heresy card game maybe ~10 years ago now.

Even if you JUST look at the novels the guy is fulla it. Custodes are clearly seen in a "in combat" situation at LEAST as early as 2010s First heretic. which predates storm cast eternals by years

 Galas wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

This right here, is somebody that has no idea what hes talking about sputing lnvented nonsense as confirmed canon.
Thats why so many people believe so many things that are just wrong, like chem trails.

The earliest incarnation of the Custodes that I know was the "Emperor's Companions" as they appeared in the novel 'Inquisitor', first published in 1990.

"Squads of tall helmeted Emperor's Companions stood to attention vigilantly, armed with laser-spears and plasma guns, black cloaks aswirl around naked torsos of tattoed corded muscle."

I don't if this is the same in the retconned 2004 version 'Draco', as I only have the original.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
And the Blance art showing them all armored up was in the 3rd Edition rulebook and I believe used before even that.

That's from 2nd edition - I'm pretty sure it's in the 2nd edition rulebook (or the Codex Imperialis book), so 1996.

farmersboy, that description from Inquisitor is referencing the 1st edition depiction, where they're normal humans (but all at leas Minor Hero level, so still pretty hard) as seen here: http://magpieandoldlead.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/tough-guys-dont-need-armour-adeptus.html

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
And the Blance art showing them all armored up was in the 3rd Edition rulebook and I believe used before even that.

That's from 2nd edition - I'm pretty sure it's in the 2nd edition rulebook (or the Codex Imperialis book), so 1996.

2nd ed was in 1993. It was bit more than 2 years old it would have been if it had been released on 1996. 3rd ed came on 1998.

All this talk about which of the Golden boys came first/which is better is very interesting and all, however, neither are that important.

Speaking of important things though, what do we know about the incoming Thousand Sons? Do we know anything more than the fact their codex is on it's way?

Newsthump, on the pulse as ever!

Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.