JNAProductions wrote: I don't get the fierce hatred towards competitive gaming.
I can understand bemoaning if everyone at your game store wants to be tournament-level and you'd prefer a more chill time, but tournaments existing is completely fine, as are competitive players.
I've had some bad experiences with these folks. Winning > friendly. The, "I didn't come here to make friends!" bros.
Pro Tip: YOU CAN DO BOTH.
Many can and do do both (I said do do, heh). But for me? The turn off is the “Play 2 Win” type do exist, and I don’t much fancy paying money to take part in a weekend and run into even one of them.
Yeah, I've run into enough tools that I've been turned off by tournaments. It's just not the environment I want to play in. Even my local Crusade League is losing its luster...
Yeah, I've run into enough tools that I've been turned off by tournaments. It's just not the environment I want to play in. Even my local Crusade League is losing its luster...
I gave up on playing in leagues. If I get roped into helping with one, I ask that I run the logistical side of things.
Too many people had treated them as "tournament training", so finding ways to break that mentality has been my own windmill to tilt at.
Platuan4th wrote: Correct, the option that already doesn't have an existing model isn't in the box by all indications. Same for the Thallax, it seems.
But like....put it in the box? Then it has a model lol I don't understand this choice. What was missing for the Thallax?
Oh Multi-Laser
The Irad Cleanser seems to be missing from the kit too and the resin version has been OOP for awhile.
Are we basing that just on the photos from the announcement or was there more info leaked and I missed it?
What we've been shown, hence the "by all indications" and hedge words like "seems". They made a point of showing the two Castellax melee options we already have as well as showing the Multimelta Thallax despite it not being in the full box image. If they had the other options, they most likely would have shown them. I'd love to be wrong.
Edit: The article even mentions it's just the two melee options(emphasis mine):
Each one of these robust robots has a range of weapons to choose from – including power blades or shock chargers with built-in bolters or flamers, plus a shoulder-mounted bolt cannon, multi-melta, or sinister darklight cannon.
Platuan4th wrote: What we've been shown, hence the "by all indications" and hedge words like "seems". They made a point of showing the two Castellax melee options we already have as well as showing the Multimelta Thallax despite it not being in the full box image. If they had the other options, they most likely would have shown them. I'd love to be wrong.
Edit: The article even mentions it's just the two melee options(emphasis mine):
Each one of these robust robots has a range of weapons to choose from – including power blades or shock chargers with built-in bolters or flamers, plus a shoulder-mounted bolt cannon, multi-melta, or sinister darklight cannon.
Okay, phew. I thought I'd missed some kind of major reveal. Thanks!
Kanluwen wrote: Might be that they've got a second box planned, or upgrade frames, to bring the other stuff out?
Yeah its literally a single arm melee weapon thats missing. The Siege Wrecker is paired with a Shock Charger, so they would only need to sculpt two or three parts. Not enough for an upgrade sprue, which is why its puzzlingly annoying that it seemingly isn't included in the first place.
The Dark Mechanicum delve into malamina and other forbidden sciences.
Is this an actual english word and what does it mean? Sounds like blabla, nitty-gritty or in german: lirumlarum. Mad Doc please help me!
Short answer: no. It's not even an established nonsense word like "blah-blah".
Mal- is a suffix meaning bad, evil, harmful. Amina could be a cod-Latin reordering of "animus/anima" referring to life/soul/energy. That could potentially translate to anything the Imperium doesn't like from daemonic possession to AI.
The Dark Mechanicum delve into malamina and other forbidden sciences.
Is this an actual english word and what does it mean? Sounds like blabla, nitty-gritty or in german: lirumlarum. Mad Doc please help me!
Short answer: no. It's not even an established nonsense word like "blah-blah".
Mal- is a suffix meaning bad, evil, harmful. Amina could be a cod-Latin reordering of "animus/anima" referring to life/soul/energy. That could potentially translate to anything the Imperium doesn't like from daemonic possession to AI.
I actually misread it as Anima so could be a typo?
It could be a stealth ability. Amina is a Middle Eastern name that carries connotations of trust and truthfulness; malamina would be false truth. That could be sensor ghosts and false readings.
Or yes it could be a typo for malanima i.e. bad motion; maybe taking control of enemy units in some way?
Mr_Rose wrote: It could be a stealth ability. Amina is a Middle Eastern name that carries connotations of trust and truthfulness; malamina would be false truth. That could be sensor ghosts and false readings.
Or yes it could be a typo for malanima i.e. bad motion; maybe taking control of enemy units in some way?
It could be bad anime or bad for the wallet. Either way I'm still going to do it.
My guess is 2-3 weeks out before we this or other Mechanicus offers. The new AOS is where all the fire is right now and it has to cool down a bit before something else can sneak in.
We could have it completely wrong and it actually should say “melamine” referring to the (sensibly) long-forbidden practice of covering useful surfaces in tacky synthetic veneer. Just another mark of the true depths of depravity the Dark Mechanicum is prepared to sink to.
Mr_Rose wrote: We could have it completely wrong and it actually should say “melamine” referring to the (sensibly) long-forbidden practice of covering useful surfaces in tacky synthetic veneer. Just another mark of the true depths of depravity the Dark Mechanicum is prepared to sink to.
The horror! Those hereteks should stick to skulls and brasswork!
Now I'm imaging a Dark Mechanicum ship, but the interior is all 80's decor with veneers and dado rails... *Shudder*
Moopy wrote: It could be bad anime or bad for the wallet. Either way I'm still going to do it.
My guess is 2-3 weeks out before we this or other Mechanicus offers. The new AOS is where all the fire is right now and it has to cool down a bit before something else can sneak in.
The big AoS time is already over at this point. 40k Leviathan only got three weeks really focused on it and thats where we are at right now for AoS too. It doesn't seem like it at first but thats just because they switched the order this time around.
For Leviathan it was the box first, then a week off to increase focus on the box and than a third week with the individual releases for the core rules and Index cards.
For AoS they did the Rules and Index week straight after the boxset week and did the off week afterwards that which is what we are currently in with the BL only stuff so next Sunday should give us another actual preorder.
It could just be the starter sets but 40k also had two other preorders in between the starters and the three launch weeks so I expect something similar here.
I still don't actually think we will get Mechanicum in these two weeks already, more likely TOW Dwarfs, Warcry and maybe the two battlegroups LI is still missing but as long as we are back to the usual rate of releases it shouldn't take too long until we get out Mechanicum Battlegroup
The Martian Schism is very much an untapped vein of 30k and hopefully will provide some interesting things we've not yet seen. We've had hints of it with Draykavac and Scoria but nothing more then that other then lore snippets.
Mr_Rose wrote: We could have it completely wrong and it actually should say “melamine” referring to the (sensibly) long-forbidden practice of covering useful surfaces in tacky synthetic veneer. Just another mark of the true depths of depravity the Dark Mechanicum is prepared to sink to.
The horror! Those hereteks should stick to skulls and brasswork!
Now I'm imaging a Dark Mechanicum ship, but the interior is all 80's decor with veneers and dado rails... *Shudder*
Can you hear the piped-in elevator music in all corridors too?
Mr_Rose wrote: We could have it completely wrong and it actually should say “melamine” referring to the (sensibly) long-forbidden practice of covering useful surfaces in tacky synthetic veneer. Just another mark of the true depths of depravity the Dark Mechanicum is prepared to sink to.
The horror! Those hereteks should stick to skulls and brasswork!
Now I'm imaging a Dark Mechanicum ship, but the interior is all 80's decor with veneers and dado rails... *Shudder*
Can you hear the piped-in elevator music in all corridors too?
It's deliberately tinny and loops endlessly, but the loop is a bit jarring and poorly synchronised...
Could be worse, could be post Mark & Lard Radio One, specifically Friday Radio One, once again declaring the forthcoming weekend “a big one” and playing endless “can anyone tell when one track ends and another begins?” dunce music.
Mr_Rose wrote: We could have it completely wrong and it actually should say “melamine” referring to the (sensibly) long-forbidden practice of covering useful surfaces in tacky synthetic veneer. Just another mark of the true depths of depravity the Dark Mechanicum is prepared to sink to.
The horror! Those hereteks should stick to skulls and brasswork!
Now I'm imaging a Dark Mechanicum ship, but the interior is all 80's decor with veneers and dado rails... *Shudder*
Can you hear the piped-in elevator music in all corridors too?
It's deliberately tinny and loops endlessly, but the loop is a bit jarring and poorly synchronised...
That'll be the theme music from "Hong Kong '97" then...
i just want to know if the new book has the same quality controll as the last one.... e.g. NONE AT ALL because dear lord blackshields still don't work-
Mr_Rose wrote: Wait, black shields? What’s wrong with them?
If you’d said shattered legions I’d have sort of agreed but the black shield rules are fine.
if you read the oaths f.e.: "Panoply of old is rather" infamous due to a lack of definition, making it basically unusuable.
Gert wrote: So, one example that can be solved with the old adage of "Don't be a tryhard".
The Shattered Legion rules are way more of a pain in the butt.
ohh nooo it goes on and on with the oaths. The Panoply is just so badly written and often kind of necessary for blackshields that it is my go to exemple, but the shattered ones i agree are worse.
Gert wrote: So, one example that can be solved with the old adage of "Don't be a tryhard".
The Shattered Legion rules are way more of a pain in the butt.
In either case, the original point that the book could have done with a few additional rounds of playtesting and proofreading is well proven I think. I wouldn't hold out too much hope of the next one being an improvement tbh except insofar as it probably won't include army building rules that deviate so much from the standard template and so will have less to rooster up - and I'm not being negative incidentally, just encouraging realism, we already know that SGS are obviously either strained for resources, prefer "here you go, sort it out for yourselves" as a publishing strategy, or both based on Nucromunda, AT etc. It just is what it is.
SamusDrake wrote: Given the requirement to field a Knight, would it not have been better to have had a Knight and two Armigers? Its pretty cool mind, but just odd.
Oddly it's the same configuration for the LI box for that pair as well. I guess they must share some parts of sprues?
The legion astartes battlegroup with the Mk III and Deredeo doesn't have an HQ either. I feel like that's the idea GW is going with - Age of Darkness is a starter, the battlegroups are boxes to get a lot of the elements of an army at a decent deal.
Betting the HQ and castellax will be the next round of releases.
ScarletRose wrote:The legion astartes battlegroup with the Mk III and Deredeo doesn't have an HQ either. I feel like that's the idea GW is going with - Age of Darkness is a starter, the battlegroups are boxes to get a lot of the elements of an army at a decent deal.
Difference being that Age of Darkness includes HQs for Astartes, amirite?
Betting the HQ and castellax will be the next round of releases.
If it follows the pattern of Solar Auxilia, it'll be about a month before those items release individually, alongside of the Mars book.
Then it will be another month before the remaining previewed items come out. For Solar Auxilia, the Hermes & Basilisk/Medusas came out two or three months after the main Battlegroup dropped.
Um... no. I can live without a character model when buying such a box.
That's great for you.
I'd rather see items being billed as "starting points for an army" go to people that are actually starting the army.
It's funny that you're against the character, by the by, but no mention is made of the overpriced transport that's bulking up the pricetag significantly for these sets!
I can see people moaning about the thralls, but maybe they get some better rules or other models get better rules to use them.
Castellax and Thallax can be taken by other factions as well.
Those being locked into this set basically guarantee it initially selling out and getting split out for parts, flooding the secondary space with cheap Thralls and possibly transports.
SamusDrake wrote: Given the requirement to field a Knight, would it not have been better to have had a Knight and two Armigers? Its pretty cool mind, but just odd.
Oddly it's the same configuration for the LI box for that pair as well. I guess they must share some parts of sprues?
Not as far as I know. They contain some sprues the same, but otherwise different.
I'd rather see items being billed as "starting points for an army" go to people that are actually starting the army.
It's funny that you're against the character, by the by, but no mention is made of the overpriced transport that's bulking up the pricetag significantly for these sets!
They don't say it's a starter set. You just get your (more or less) important troops choices in plastic instead of resin. That's a relief, though I already have those units in resin.
And I don't mind the Triaros, it's not that bad - it's actually better to have more than one. Not so for a HQ - and that's the Mechanicum's least problem as they have special characters and can use the 40k models too.
Castellax and Thallax can be taken by other factions as well.
Those being locked into this set basically guarantee it initially selling out and getting split out for parts, flooding the secondary space with cheap Thralls and possibly transports.
They will get out separately soon enough. If people can't wait and buy the box and think they'll get much money for the units they don't want, it's their fault. And of course the fault of GW's rules, if they don't sell that much thralls later. I just hope they somehow fix it - thralls have bad stats and low points, that's okay. But it's hard to make them do anything useful as unlike the zombies they just run away.
You’ve got your Automata and Thallaxi for hurting stuff, and the Tech Thralls for clogging up objectives. Couple of boxes of this and you’ve what looks to be a solid core of stuff to flesh out with fancier toys later.
Dysartes wrote: It's just Kan being grumpy that the releases weren't exactly how he'd've done things.
I'd've probably released the Archmagos alongside this big box, if I'm honest, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
In the case of the Knight battlegroup, I'd have to agree with Kan's principle; to use both of those very large and expensive models one would need four Armigers to use them - at least two Armigers for every Knight. While Armigers are one of GW's best value models in their range, thats still £115 as an additional purchase if you haven't already got them.
Had this been for 40K there would be no problem as one can have an army with a single Armiger present. But here it might as well have been a Castigator and at least two Armigers.
Kanluwen wrote: $270-$275 on the low end, $300 on the high end I think.
AFAIK, you can't really magnetize or anything for it. There's a built-in "savings" for the kit just not being full of extra parts.
- I'd bet on the $299 price point they had for Necromunda Ash Wastes.
- I wouldn't be shocked if it was $265 like Skaventide.
- If it was a 40K product, I'd guess they'd price it at the $230 battleforce price point and produce 37 copies, all of which will be claimed by scalpers.
Solar Aux are an exception though as you need the command squad to run as a Tercio command for the Infantry squads. It's like how the Imperial Guard used to used to work for 40k.
Sure you *could* use it as a HQ Command squad, but that's not its intended role in relation to the battlegroup box.
According to Auspex Tactics the Mechanicum Battlegroup will be $210 / £125 / 160€ which is surprisingly cheap as its less than the SA Battlegroup and that one was before the price increase.
The Knight Battelgroup is $310 which would be around £190 / 245€ so about 26% discount or one of the two knights at half price
Solar Aux are an exception though as you need the command squad to run as a Tercio command for the Infantry squads. It's like how the Imperial Guard used to used to work for 40k. Sure you *could* use it as a HQ Command squad, but that's not its intended role in relation to the battlegroup box.
Tercios can have a Command, it's not required. They're 0-1. The only requirement is at least 1 Lasrifle section.
Platuan4th wrote: Tercios can have a Command, it's not required. They're 0-1. The only requirement is at least 1 Lasrifle section.
Ah so it is. I stand corrected.
Still, I maintain that's why they put it in there, to help form a core block of troops.
I think the important difference is that the "character", in the form of the Marshal, is simply coincidental to the sprue. The Marshal is on a sprue which also features some of the upgrades for the basic Lasrifle Section.
Platuan4th wrote: Tercios can have a Command, it's not required. They're 0-1. The only requirement is at least 1 Lasrifle section.
Ah so it is. I stand corrected.
Still, I maintain that's why they put it in there, to help form a core block of troops.
I think the important difference is that the "character", in the form of the Marshal, is simply coincidental to the sprue. The Marshal is on a sprue which also features some of the upgrades for the basic Lasrifle Section.
Only one, the Augury Scanner. The Vexilla and Vox are on the basic sprue.
Seconding that these force boxes are much better when they do NOT have a character in them.
Makes their marketing far better in terms of buying multiple and then getting everything on the table.
It also (arguably) makes it a better dollar value, as characters tend to be the most overpriced things GW sells at roughly 45$ for what is usually an infantry model with bigger hands and a scenic rock. And while there’s an argument for it not mattering, because then someone will have to turn around and buy it anyway, characters are also the thing most likely to be kitbashed / converted in an army, so it’s a win/win regardless of how any does it, imo
As a reasonably established Mechanicum player (loves resin armies and thus hates money), I can attest that all those units are useful. I have painted 2 triaros, 40 thralls, 12 Thallax and I think 9 castellax and all see the battlefield. Add a character or two and sone Thanatar and you’re set.
twoseventwo wrote: GW produce so few utter clangers these days that I'm slightly surprised when they do. This Corteaz might even have been a widely mocked model circa 2000. I know little about the process but I have assumed the cost of "ehh, that didn't work, let's start over" is pretty low with contemporary CAD. What went wrong?
Wrong thread? Wrong thread. 40K is *gestures vaguely* over there somewhere.
If the Mechanicum battlegroup does end up being 160€, I'm going to get one, worth it for the Automata alone and I can make the big vehicle into a cool terrain piece
Not sure what to do with those thralls however.. I am only interested in adding Automata for my IXth, will not be collecting Mechanicum otherwise
Matrindur wrote: According to Auspex Tactics the Mechanicum Battlegroup will be $210 / £125 / 160€ which is surprisingly cheap as its less than the SA Battlegroup and that one was before the price increase.
The Knight Battelgroup is $310 which would be around £190 / 245€ so about 26% discount or one of the two knights at half price
Seems like the Auspex prices weren't 100% correct but £130 for the Mechanicum Battlegroup is more in line what I would have expected. Still £5 cheaper would have been nice.
Platuan4th wrote: Tercios can have a Command, it's not required. They're 0-1. The only requirement is at least 1 Lasrifle section.
Ah so it is. I stand corrected.
Still, I maintain that's why they put it in there, to help form a core block of troops.
Maybe, but as you only get one rifle section in the box there would be no point in fielding it as a Tercio command. Yes, you can field the rifle section as two smaller units, but as there's only one transport in the box (and it has a base capacity of 20+ models, and the upgrade which reduces it to 10 models isnt worth taking) there's no reason to field smaller squads. I would guess most who bought the box prolly used it as an hq - if they bought multiple boxes they definitely used at least one of them as an hq.
I've already found someone to split the Knight box with, getting the flamer one even though the rules are terrible as I already have the megabolter one.
Could have been an even better box with 2 bodies and 1 of each loadout, in that case I'd have kept the whole box and built a lancer.
lord_blackfang wrote: Ah yes Black Templar cloth and Black Legion armour, truly the connoisseur's scheme
EXCUSE YOU! It's Abaddon Black with Stormvermin Fur!
Sheesh! But real talk, it's the silver and brass coupled with the black & gray-brown that works for me. And the note about officers' uniforms being more ornate.
I've enjoyed these color plates. It's interesting that they had to take the time to make them, one would have assumed they already had these mapped out!
I love how so many pictures have a disgruntled-look space marine pointing at his watch, like he's berating his robots for being so slow.
"Just look at the time, T3R4NC3! LOOK AT THE TIME! We're going to be late, again. Yes, I said again. We didn't even make it to the battle last time because of you. I should have gone into the Assault Squads like mother said, but noooooooo. I just had to argue. 'Sure mom' I told her 'I'd be first to the fight and first to die'. I showed her all the casualty statistics. Told her I was too smart to die like that. Well you know how I'm going to die, T3R4NC3? I'm going to die of old age waiting for your slow ass to walk another 500 meters! No one even knows if Space Marines can die of old age, but it's going to happen! Because of YOU."
Poor T3R4NC3, hearing this tirade for possibly the third time today, still comprehends no actual instructions in the verbal slurry and makes a small two-tone BEEP BOOP sound to indicate that it was heard, followed by an error chime.
It then takes another step.
The marine sighs.
I love how so many pictures have a disgruntled-look space marine pointing at his watch, like he's berating his robots for being so slow.
"Just look at the time, T3R4NC3! LOOK AT THE TIME! We're going to be late, again. Yes, I said again. We didn't even make it to the battle last time because of you. I should have gone into the Assault Squads like mother said, but noooooooo. I just had to argue. 'Sure mom' I told her 'I'd be first to the fight and first to die'. I showed her all the casualty statistics. Told her I was too smart to die like that. Well you know how I'm going to die, T3R4NC3? I'm going to die of old age waiting for your slow ass to walk another 500 meters! No one even knows if Space Marines can die of old age, but it's going to happen! Because of YOU."
Poor T3R4NC3, hearing this tirade for possibly the third time today, still comprehends no actual instructions in the verbal slurry and makes a small two-tone BEEP BOOP sound to indicate that it was heard, followed by an error chime.
It then takes another step.
The marine sighs.
I love how so many pictures have a disgruntled-look space marine pointing at his watch, like he's berating his robots for being so slow.
"Just look at the time, T3R4NC3! LOOK AT THE TIME! We're going to be late, again. Yes, I said again. We didn't even make it to the battle last time because of you. I should have gone into the Assault Squads like mother said, but noooooooo. I just had to argue. 'Sure mom' I told her 'I'd be first to the fight and first to die'. I showed her all the casualty statistics. Told her I was too smart to die like that. Well you know how I'm going to die, T3R4NC3? I'm going to die of old age waiting for your slow ass to walk another 500 meters! No one even knows if Space Marines can die of old age, but it's going to happen! Because of YOU."
Poor T3R4NC3, hearing this tirade for possibly the third time today, still comprehends no actual instructions in the verbal slurry and makes a small two-tone BEEP BOOP sound to indicate that it was heard, followed by an error chime.
It then takes another step.
The marine sighs.
I wanted to do something similar. Found a print of a marine sleeping in bed, scale it it down real small, paint it like a hologram and use it as a coms. "Brother, I don't care if it's your Dorn allocated nap time, get out of bed and into battle!"
Yeah - hopefully sooner rather than later. I'm 90% sure I'm not going to pre-order the box (really only want the Castellax) but seeing the sprues might change my mind...
Already floating about, though you'll have to brave /tg/ to find them. Very impressed with the Thallax.
Here are the sprues:
Triaros:
Spoiler:
Thallax:
Spoiler:
Castellax:
Spoiler:
Tech-Thralls:
Spoiler:
Some interesting bits: The Thallax have 2 sprues with the legs and shoulders on one and the weapons, upper body and jetpacks on the other. Might be for Ursarax as the upper body, weapons and jetpack would be swapped between Ursarax and Thallax while the legs that stay the same are on the other frame. Same for the Triaros and Karacnos, the first two frames have all the parts that should be the same for both while the third sprue could be swapped between them with a small additional frame for the Karacnos weapons.
For the model numbers, its 3 Thallax and 1 Castellax per sprue set. So single Castellax and three Thallax per box when they release individually is possible. For the Tech-Thralls its 5 per sprue.
Already floating about, though you'll have to brave /tg/ to find them. Very impressed with the Thallax.
Here are the sprues:
Triaros:
Spoiler:
Thallax:
Spoiler:
Castellax:
Spoiler:
Tech-Thralls:
Spoiler:
Some interesting bits:
The Thallax have 2 sprues with the legs and shoulders on one and the weapons, upper body and jetpacks on the other. Might be for Ursarax as the upper body, weapons and jetpack would be swapped between Ursarax and Thallax while the legs that stay the same are on the other frame.
Same for the Triaros and Karacnos, the first two frames have all the parts that should be the same for both while the third sprue could be swapped between them with a small additional frame for the Karacnos weapons.
For the model numbers, its 3 Thallax and 1 Castellax per sprue set. So single Castellax and three Thallax per box when they release individually is possible.
For the Tech-Thralls its 5 per sprue.
Given that there are six pairs of legs and six lower abdomens on the leg sprue we get two of the weapons/heads sprue in a box of 6 Thallax.
Looks like there may be a second weapon/head sprue with the same stuff except with an irad cleanser, multi-laser etc.
The Ursarax upgrade sprue notion looks so do-able i will be genuinely surprised if they dont. Good spot, Matrindur!
Given that there are six pairs of legs and six lower abdomens on the leg sprue we get two of the weapons/heads sprue in a box of 6 Thallax.
Looks like there may be a second weapon/head sprue with the same stuff except with an irad cleanser, multi-laser etc.
The Ursarax upgrade sprue notion looks so do-able i will be genuinely surprised if they dont. Good spot, Matrindur!
Saw the legs but thought they might just be for different poses but yeah with six abdomens its one of this sprue and two of the others for sure.
Its unlikely to be a different sprue with the other weapons but still, at least that should also confirm Ursarax will come in boxes of 6x
Got the Battlegroup for 127€ at a discounter. Not too bad, considering the automata within might come in boxes of 3/1 models.. the discount was significant tbh
Me too, I think it was a really nice price. I was on the fence b/c I also got Necromunda…also was thinking about getting the knights for € 180… if GW was smart, they would’ve spaced out these releases.
I'm a little surprised the Knights box hasn't sold out yet, given the discount and the "Available while stocks last" label - I walked down to my local GW to order it, so was ordering at 12pm in the UK without an issue, and as I look now at 4:30pm it still appears to be in stock.
Dysartes wrote: I'm a little surprised the Knights box hasn't sold out yet, given the discount and the "Available while stocks last" label - I walked down to my local GW to order it, so was ordering at 12pm in the UK without an issue, and as I look now at 4:30pm it still appears to be in stock.
The more expensive their big boxes are, the more justifiable buying from a third party is. The RRP of the Knights box is £190 but £150 from most places. I think even if you're somebody who prefers drinking from the tap, a £40 additional saving on an already discounted pair of Knights is probably too good to pass up.
Consequently most third parties sell the Cerastus Knights for around £100-£110 individually, so buying direct from GW and only saving £10 on an extra knight you may not even field together isn't enough to push people to buy it from GW directly even if they missed out buying the discount box from a third party.
Hmm......Notice how they mentioned several of the recent plastic kits but also Myrmidons and the Atropos? Maybe, hinting at future plastic kits?
Mmmm... plastic Myrmidons and Atropos. Gimme.........
Still available. And they have links to their shop sites. No, you'll get plastic Ursarax and Vultarax and WarCom will explain you why you can't win a battle without lots of them.
Pre-ordered my Mechanicum battle group today. Either it’s a more niche army, or GW have fixed their inventory/production issues. I hope it’s popular enough to get a full plastic range. A plastic Krios would be awesome (and the resin kit is “sold out online”).
Couldn't resist getting a box as well with a 20% discount around here, originally just wanted the Tallarn book, but eh, those zombies really nice and I'm sure we can press that transport thing into use for our future Tallarn games in some capacity.
Ended up getting two(just as well I did since I wanted two multimelta Castellax for my Praevian and the stingy gits only include one of those and one darkfire in each pair) and hopefully can sell the tanks(mostly play ZM and don't really like the design anyway).
Hmm......Notice how they mentioned several of the recent plastic kits but also Myrmidons and the Atropos? Maybe, hinting at future plastic kits?
Mmmm... plastic Myrmidons and Atropos. Gimme.........
Still available. And they have links to their shop sites. No, you'll get plastic Ursarax and Vultarax and WarCom will explain you why you can't win a battle without lots of them.
Snord wrote: Pre-ordered my Mechanicum battle group today. Either it’s a more niche army, or GW have fixed their inventory/production issues. I hope it’s popular enough to get a full plastic range. A plastic Krios would be awesome (and the resin kit is “sold out online”).
In the USA, at least, GW has kept the Solar Auxilia and Astartes battle groups in production and easily orderable. I assume the Mechanicum will be the same.
Snord wrote: Pre-ordered my Mechanicum battle group today. Either it’s a more niche army, or GW have fixed their inventory/production issues. I hope it’s popular enough to get a full plastic range. A plastic Krios would be awesome (and the resin kit is “sold out online”).
In the USA, at least, GW has kept the Solar Auxilia and Astartes battle groups in production and easily orderable. I assume the Mechanicum will be the same.
They've been restocked, three different times, here in the US.
I domt think they've been kept in production, I think that's excess stock being transferred between warehouses. The US is being "restocked" from the leftover inventory from the UK and EU etc.
chaos0xomega wrote: I domt think they've been kept in production, I think that's excess stock being transferred between warehouses. The US is being "restocked" from the leftover inventory from the UK and EU etc.
That would suggest they were significantly overproduced/undersold in the UK and EU, which doesn't seem right.
Not necessarily. If sales in other markets tapered off but sales in the US market remained steady, they could have shifted more inventory to the US to maintain product outflow. The reality is that for at least the SM box it was available on the UK webstore for quite some time (months by my recollection) and the SA box stuck around for quite a few weeks as well. A market can only absorb so much supply of a product so if sales crater somewhere it doesn't really make sense to keep it for sale if another market is consuming more and there's clear demand for it.
chaos0xomega wrote: Not necessarily. If sales in other markets tapered off but sales in the US market remained steady, they could have shifted more inventory to the US to maintain product outflow. The reality is that for at least the SM box it was available on the UK webstore for quite some time (months by my recollection) and the SA box stuck around for quite a few weeks as well. A market can only absorb so much supply of a product so if sales crater somewhere it doesn't really make sense to keep it for sale if another market is consuming more and there's clear demand for it.
On the other hand, if it did remain in production throughout this time you would expect stock levels to be much more reliably maintained in the UK and Europe with short transport links to the factory compared to North America where it has to be transported in bulk on a cargo ship. They are produced in the UK so different distribution patterns are to be expected between markets.
Delayed by what? Did a shipment of cardboard sink?
Unrelated but the Tech Thralls are smaller than anticipated. Also five dudes to a sprue with basically zero options feels kinda crazy but then that have about twelve bits per.
Am currently making my Mechanicum battle group, everything feels like too many bits. At least the Tech Thralls have a sensible sprue layout. The Castellax and Thallax are all over the place sprue wise.
Have you built the Triaros yet? Because I have and there’s like three or four steps I would do in a different order if I was building again. Otherwise it’s a really solid kit though.
Mr_Rose wrote: Delayed by what? Did a shipment of cardboard sink?
Unrelated but the Tech Thralls are smaller than anticipated. Also five dudes to a sprue with basically zero options feels kinda crazy but then that have about twelve bits per.
The tech thralls being on the small side is actually nice, means they are more to scale with marines.
Mr_Rose wrote: Have you built the Triaros yet? Because I have and there’s like three or four steps I would do in a different order if I was building again. Otherwise it’s a really solid kit though.
Would you care to share exactly what those steps were? I'm planning on building mine at some point this weekend, and wouldn't mind a heads up as to any possible issues...?
Mr_Rose wrote: Have you built the Triaros yet? Because I have and there’s like three or four steps I would do in a different order if I was building again. Otherwise it’s a really solid kit though.
Would you care to share exactly what those steps were? I'm planning on building mine at some point this weekend, and wouldn't mind a heads up as to any possible issues...?
It’s mostly the roof of the transport bay. They have you assemble it separately then fit it to the hull. If I was doing it again, I’d fit the side pieces and front baseplate to the hull first to get them aligned properly then fit the central top roof bit. (Specifically fit piece C7 to the assembled hull from step 7, fit the connector B20 and 3×A15 to C6, mirrored for C5 with B19, then fit the C5 and C6 subassemblies to the hull before adding C4 on top, replacing step 8 entirely and modifying step 10A.)
Before that though there’s a tiny thing where you’re supposed to add a bunch of bits that support the rear roof section to each main hull side piece but they don’t include part A15 until three or four steps later when it’s much harder to fit so I’d recommend adding them at the initial stage. (This is steps 4 and 5 - just grab the A15 parts they tell you to use in step 7.)
Also I made sure to glue the tracks only to the outermost side of the sponsons (and leave that side plate unglued) to make painting easier.
Mr_Rose wrote: Have you built the Triaros yet? Because I have and there’s like three or four steps I would do in a different order if I was building again. Otherwise it’s a really solid kit though.
Would you care to share exactly what those steps were? I'm planning on building mine at some point this weekend, and wouldn't mind a heads up as to any possible issues...?
It’s mostly the roof of the transport bay. They have you assemble it separately then fit it to the hull. If I was doing it again, I’d fit the side pieces and front baseplate to the hull first to get them aligned properly then fit the central top roof bit.
Before that though there’s a tiny thing where you’re supposed to add a bunch of bits that support the rear roof section to each main hull side piece but they don’t include part A15 until three or four steps later when it’s much harder to fit so I’d recommend adding them at the initial stage.
Also I made sure to glue the tracks only to the outermost side of the sponsons (and leave that side plate unglued) to make painting easier.
Just noticed that the instructions for the tech-thralls say to make two of each one (10 total) instead of four so I suspect the separate kit will be sold as boxes of ten* (two sprues per) which will make the pricing critical.
*because they did something similar with the Epic starter set instructions, using the base kit instructions compiled into a single booklet without modifications. So it told you to make six leman Russ when there’s only three in the box and so on.
Mr_Rose wrote: Just noticed that the instructions for the tech-thralls say to make two of each one (10 total) instead of four so I suspect the separate kit will be sold as boxes of ten* (two sprues per) which will make the pricing critical.
The come in units of 10-30 models, so 10 per box makes sense. Though without a boost they'll not sell that much of them and you'll get the models much cheaper online.
Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
tauist wrote: Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
I guess folks were hoping they might throw an extra sprue into the individual release boxes. I haven’t seen the sprues myself, so no idea if that was a reasonable hope.
What do people think the odds are for the Krios (and Krios Venator) getting plastic kits? Because I really don’t want to try and assemble another resin one.
ScarletRose wrote: One darkfire cannon per box of castellax, I'm a bit disappointed.
Looking forward to the plastic thanatar though, that's an awesome looking mini that I've wanted for a while now.
That was already known from the army box, no?
I was holding out hope - the same way the battlebox contemptor didn't have all the weapon options compared to the retail release.
Mr_Rose wrote: What do people think the odds are for the Krios (and Krios Venator) getting plastic kits? Because I really don’t want to try and assemble another resin one.
Depends on how much sprue overlap there is with the triaros I guess.
The Krios is a different chassis entirely, the Karacnos does however share the Triaros chassis and someone has made an alternate upgrade print to convert the new plastic kit.
I would assume that at some point Mechanicum will get wave 2.
Yeah the Triaros sprues are made with the Karacnos in mind so that is inevitable.
The Krios would need a completely different kit but its the only other tank Mechanicum could get so I would say its very likely we'll get it since SA also got 3 different tank chassis split into 5 kits.
And if they split the normal one and the Venator into two kits that share most of the sprues it would be another case of two kits for the work of one so good value for GW.
Now all the other robots Mechanicum have is another case entirely. Ursarax are also basically confirmed via the sprue layout for Thallax but after that we have Myrmidons, Vorax, Vultarax, Domitars and Scyllax and none of those can really share any sprues
tauist wrote: Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
It never looked very good, unfortunately. The cloak is particularly bad, as though it was designed on a low-res computer. I plan to convert some of the WH40kAM characters.
This 168-page hardback features a selection of background information spanning the length of this unique conflict, and rules for bringing it to life on your tabletop. There are new core missions, apex missions, relic hunt missions, an Onslaught campaign to use them in, plus additional units and Techno-heresy rules to determine the fate of the Red Planet yourself, alongside additional content from previously published Exemplary Battles in the Age of Darkness. This will be available to pre-order next week in hardback and ePub formats.
Sound like there's new stuff that we haven't seen from Exemplary Battles!
Matrindur wrote: Yeah the Triaros sprues are made with the Karacnos in mind so that is inevitable.
The Krios would need a completely different kit but its the only other tank Mechanicum could get so I would say its very likely we'll get it since SA also got 3 different tank chassis split into 5 kits.
And if they split the normal one and the Venator into two kits that share most of the sprues it would be another case of two kits for the work of one so good value for GW.
Now all the other robots Mechanicum have is another case entirely. Ursarax are also basically confirmed via the sprue layout for Thallax but after that we have Myrmidons, Vorax, Vultarax, Domitars and Scyllax and none of those can really share any sprues
They could also bring back the macrocarid explorator/mechanicum land Raider as the better armed and armored but smaller transport.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no lefties.
I'm right-handed myself, but aren't lefties supposed to be more intelligent / creative? Perhaps the lefties are reserved for a better fate than being mere cannon fodder.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no lefties.
In this case at least I assume handedness is not considered much when manufacturing cyberzombies.
I do agree, however, that in general some lefties mixed in would be a positive.
Maybe the STC for programming the left side to operate as the right has not yet been recovered. Or it's more efficient to churn out 'right-handed' equipment in two facilities than one of each.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no lefties.
I'm right-handed myself, but aren't lefties supposed to be more intelligent / creative? Perhaps the lefties are reserved for a better fate than being mere cannon fodder.
I’ve a feeling that’s long since been debunked as a thing. And was probably invented to make us lefties feel better about struggling to use simple items like scissors and tin openers 🤣🤣
tauist wrote: Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
It's even the same image.
Now I remembered it, they showed actual video footage of it back then. Which is why I remember it looking better than this pict. The angle in the photo must be rubbish
Kid_Kyoto wrote: In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no lefties.
I'm right-handed myself, but aren't lefties supposed to be more intelligent / creative? Perhaps the lefties are reserved for a better fate than being mere cannon fodder.
I’ve a feeling that’s long since been debunked as a thing. And was probably invented to make us lefties feel better about struggling to use simple items like scissors and tin openers 🤣🤣
I'm right-handed and found a way to use scissors with my left hand, it's rather easy. But lefties should be fine in the grim darkness of the far future. They just become Thallaxi.
Dryaktylus wrote: But lefties should be fine in the grim darkness of the far future. They just become Thallaxi.
I have sanction from the Omnissiah themself to use ANY AND ALL techniques, technologies, weapons and assets i deem nessecary to eliminate anything which would resist the great crusade.
That includes (but is not limited to) lefties, gingers, the Welsh, the Dutch, individuals with dwarfism, waterslide transfer decals, AI and psykers - so if i want to use nothing but cyborg lefties as my troop cohort of choice and you dont like that, you can enjoy your now-scheduled meeting with the Inquisition to explain why to someone who will listen.
(ooc)
The new units hint could be intresting - ive been wanting to see 'Iron Angel's, 'Black Widow's, 'Fire Wasp's and 'Blind Hunter's but if they dont make an appearance during the Schizm of Mars, we wont see them at all.
Knowing GW though? It'll be another traitor HQ choice and a couple of port-across models from the 40k mechanicus range with some alterations to the design like the sentinel walker and leman russ variants did.
Sotahullu wrote: Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).
Skitarii were originally just the infantry of the Titan Legions (aka the Tech Guard) and not part of the greater Mechanicus. Then the Adeptus Mechanicus codex came out and they used the name for the infantry in that. So Forge World/the Specialist Games Team decided to call the TL infantry regiments “Secutarii” instead. So yes and also no. Plus the Secutarii are part of the Titan army list already.
Sotahullu wrote: Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).
Skitarii were originally just the infantry of the Titan Legions (aka the Tech Guard) and not part of the greater Mechanicus. Then the Adeptus Mechanicus codex came out and they used the name for the infantry in that. So Forge World/the Specialist Games Team decided to call the TL infantry regiments “Secutarii” instead. So yes and also no. Plus the Secutarii are part of the Titan army list already.
Skitarii are referred to as the armies of the Adeptus Mechanicus at least as long ago as the 4th edition rulebook. 2nd edition featured Tech-Priest Squads as part of the Adeptus Mechanicus section of the Imperial Agents army list; the squad members have a basic human profile so appear to be forerunners of the Skitarii. I'm not sure exactly when the term came into use but it has certainly been applied to Adeptus Mechanicus troops beyond the Titan Legions for a long time.
Don't know when they came up with the term Skitarii. In the first Adeptus Titanicus several fighting forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus were mentioned, but only one named: the Adeptus Mechanicus Collegia Titanica. Shortly after we got the Legio Cybernetica and the Scutarii - the latter were indeed the associated troops and vehicles of the Titan Orders. In the 2nd edition of Epic Space Marine the Tech-Guard showed up - as better equipped but similiar organized Imperial Guard recruited from Forge worlds they also fought along the Titan Legions but also protected their Forge worlds and aided the Knight worlds.
Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.
From memory, the term Skitarii turned up in the off-shoot magazine Firepower. They had Epic: 40,000 (aka 3rd edition) stats and I believe they were infantry for Knight armies.
chaos0xomega wrote: Pretty sure those units you listed are titan legions, not units.
The 'Fire Wasp' is what threw you there: its originally the alter-name of Legio Ignatum but it is also the name of a purchasable unit in original Horus Heresy Zone Mortalis with 'Strategem Points'.
Its a flying drone with a flammenwerfer that space marines use to trigger enemy booby-traps in confined environments.
The 'Blind-Hunter' is an experimental creation of traitor Legio Cybernetica first used on Isstvan 5 to hunt down Corvus Corax and the last of the Raven Guard when the Cyber-Mastiffs failed to do so.
The 'Iron Angel' is some kind of anti-personnel heavy walker with four legs and the 'Black Widow' is a spiderey-like walker that were both in Black Library books - cant remember which ones though.
Dryaktylus wrote:
Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.
Hmm, looks to me like the first 2 scenarios are Loyalist Marines vs (Dark?) Mechanicum, and the 3rd is Custodes vs Who Knows. Have to get our dose of hot and steamy Salt & Pepper action somewhere else I guess.
Sotahullu wrote: Well Skitarii is something that people have asked as they did exist during Heresy (minus, Ironstrider).
As it stands, the secutarii rules account for radium carbines, and you don't have to take a titan in the titan detachment. So you can just take your skitarii+Marshal in a titan detachment, and then at minimum a Techpriest and two Troops. (Which, if someone new just wanted to get a datasmith+Castellan box and do a Kitbashing, I'd be cool with)
And the Secutarii rules aren't bad, honestly one of the better non-marine T3 factions.
As it stands, the secutarii rules account for radium carbines, and you don't have to take a titan in the titan detachment. So you can just take your skitarii+Marshal in a titan detachment, and then at minimum a Techpriest and two Troops. (Which, if someone new just wanted to get a datasmith+Castellan box and do a Kitbashing, I'd be cool with)
You can't take the Titanicus units as a main detachement, it's only an option for an allied detachment (or a single Titan as LoW). Sure, you can max out the allied Titanicus detachment with only Skitarii Vanguard, but that's not really an useful army. I mean... those guys cost 10 points - as much as a Space Marine. Yeah, they can take a Triaros. Fine, but why? Drive close, shoot and die? I'd guess the Triaros is doing more damage.
Alternatively, I have previously pondered about just using the skitarii models as counts-as Solar Auxilia... that might work better?
Maybe with an allied detachment of mechanicum to bring a few robots in as well, particularly now they're in plastic. Transports/vehicles would be tricky, but I figured it would work okay for an infantry focused force.
Still find the GW effort to separate the 30k and 40k lines bizarre, but there you go.
How many more Imperial fist characters and rites of war you reckon? Camba Diaz for sure, hell they'll probably make named sergeant characters at this point.
Camba Diaz as a model sure, but I'd say the raven guard and custodes bits are more interesting. RG could use a character and their praetors, and some new custodes would be appreciated.
Dryaktylus wrote:
Whatever. Reading the newest article to find out that the most important three events in the Martian Civil War are Marine actions my hopes for this book kind of narrowed.
Hmm, looks to me like the first 2 scenarios are Loyalist Marines vs (Dark?) Mechanicum, and the 3rd is Custodes vs Who Knows. Have to get our dose of hot and steamy Salt & Pepper action somewhere else I guess.
I dont see how one can bypass...
The attack on Gigas Fossae...
The ensuing period of subterfuge and sabotage...
The release of scrapcode...
The declaration of sedition and purging of the loyalists...
The assault on Magma City...
...and still call it a Martian Civil War book.
Its more 'Martian Civil War Cleanup Operation' given that it starts with the Imperial Fists going for the power armour stash just before bailing to Terra with Zagreus Kane.
They are going to need to be hiding like, three completely new army lists for this book concept not to just be a mechanism to fast-track past Mars to Terra while avoiding actually letting the mechanicum/new mechanicum unleash everything at each other.
Lame, mid, bogus and square.
If you think that they're actually going to cover the Siege of Terra anytime soon and are releasing a lazy narrative supplement to open the door for it, i have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas id like to sell you.
chaos0xomega wrote: If you think that they're actually going to cover the Siege of Terra anytime soon and are releasing a lazy narrative supplement to open the door for it, i have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas id like to sell you.
Get ready for some serious geological landscaping work then, because im just going by what one of the writers said in the article Dryaktylus and SgtEeveell were discussing.
Yeah what Gert said. Actually Siege of Cthonia concludes months after Big E and Horus finish their fight. Whatever you think that article is telling you, it ain't it.
We decided that our book should present a range of events between the Death of Innocence (as the Mechanicum call the fall of Mars) and the eve of the Siege of Terra
As gert stated theres nothing stopping them inserting a bunch of other campain books in between Mars and Terra, but its a bit bloody convenient that the Mars book basicly skips the majority of the civil war and finishes on the eve of the Seige of Terra dont you think?
The narrative opens with a description of the coming of heresy to Mars in 005.M31, culminating in the battles at Mondus Gamma and Mondus Occulum.
And then you actually fight for control of Mondus Occulam and Mondus Gamma.
Next we fast-forward to 007.M31 and a dark period for Mars, a time when the Loyalists were reduced to a desperate underground resistance fighting a guerilla war against the Traitors.
That will be the campaign he mentions later in the article, but this is basicly after the dark mech have won and the blockade of Mars is in effect
The third chunk of story comes towards the end of the Horus Heresy, in 013.M31, and features two separate, yet coordinated operations
And thats either blood angels and robots vs dark mech on Mars or Custodes vs 'unknown horror' in the oort cloud.
Lazy Vashtorr insert?
We decided that our book should present a range of events between the Death of Innocence (as the Mechanicum call the fall of Mars) and the eve of the Siege of Terra
As gert stated theres nothing stopping them inserting a bunch of other campain books in between Mars and Terra, but its a bit bloody convenient that the Mars book basicly skips the majority of the civil war and finishes on the eve of the Seige of Terra dont you think?
No, because as has been stated, there has the campaign books have never stuck to linear events between books. The Siege of Cthonia starts at the same time as the Siege of Terra and ends afterward. Then we go to Beta-Garmon, which is before Cthonia. And now we're onto Mars in which events start before Isstvan 5 and as has been discussed cover events up to the Siege.
Prospero happened before Isstvan 3 but it was the 7th book to be released in the FW series. Signus Prime happened before the battles of Paramar and Phall but was the 8th book to be released in the series.
There are no rules to this.
But if that was the case then why not delay the Mars book a bit longer and insert a seperate campain somewhere else to introduce the dark mech + new units so the Mars book can go full-on Techno-Warfare?
But that got me thinking - who are the major participant forces in the Seige of Terra?
Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and Custodes.
Please tell me they aren't using the Mars book to make sure the model lines are in place in time for the book which covers the Seige of Terra..
Because plastic Mechanicum have just been released and the Big Deal for the Mechanicum in the Heresy was the Schism, which they consider an entirely separate conflict to the Heresy itself.
And as for Black Books 1-3, they themselves are linear but still don't follow the wider timeline. Prospero was the first engagement of the Heresy and Signus happened before most of the events in Extermination, and definitely happened before the events in books 4, 5, and 6.
GW is definitely focusing on the later years of the Heresy and I'm sure that at some point the Siege will be covered but there's still plenty to draw on until then.
You have to be fair to FW on that front though, they really tried to keep things chronological but they needed to introduce Ksons at some point and who wants to tell fans of Magnus the Red they have to wait till the Seige of Terra to get their army list?
The Mars book is out saturday so we'll get some concrete info then; im going to hope you all get something you enjoy and ill try and be satisfied with the fluff it gives about the Schizm on Mars.
Leading the charge will be a long sought-after weapons kit, which we’ll be revealing in the coming weeks. Beyond that, 2025 will bring more tanks, and new plastic weapons options for existing walkers for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy
In the stream they also talked about Legion specific plastics for HH
The warhound titans in the leftmost image trail have some intresting weaponry - i dont know if thats a re-purposed Legions Imperialis image (i suspect it might be) but full scale ursus claw? Oh yes, would.
Would have liked more detail, but can't do anything about that really.
It does seem like they are hinting that Raven Guard will get some focus, being one of the 3 battles of note in the mars book and mentions of a faction waiting for the best time to strike.
Tanks, it's not hard to make some reasonable guesses. In order of likelyhood:
Astartes: Sicaran variants, Sabre, Felblade/Glaive, Arquitor
Solar Aux: Baneblade/Shadowsword, Malcador Infernus/Valdor, Aurox/Carnodon
Mechanicum: Karaknos, Krios, Macrocarid
Termite could be used by any of the above.
Dysartes wrote: Is it just me, or is that "roadmap" somewhat underwhelming, even just compared to the other three from this preview?
The other three at least actually tell us something specific that's coming out, even if the when is generally limited to 2025.
Indeed. It's literally: There will be models for HH in 2025.
You don't say!
Partially agreeing. But, we’re also told “something new every month”. And to put some mind at ease, the interview confirms Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum are “first wave”.
Plus Heresy Thursday returns next week, so that’s when we start to get our reveals.
All roadmaps are really underwhelming, but I guess given the delays they are experiencing they are playing it safe this time around and keep things vague.
i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army. We need to get the melee marines and other infantry first or a way to upgrade normal marines into that.
NVM a rebalancing of Solar, militia and vast swaaths of mechanicum. NVM availability of these factions instead of the rather lackluster ruleswriting. Which is a shame as the foundations are more than decent (for GW standards) enough.
BrookM wrote: All roadmaps are really underwhelming, but I guess given the delays they are experiencing they are playing it safe this time around and keep things vague.
And wahey, tanks! Auxilia super-heavies please!
Seems we may have seen a plastic Auxilia Shadowsword hiding in plain sight for a few weeks now.
And if they’ve done the tracks and hull for one? Whilst we might not get the 40K “all in one box” treatment, I doubt it’s just the Shadowsword coming.
I’m also hopeful of an Astartes Super Heavy. And their wee tanks.
tauist wrote: Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
tauist wrote: Thanatar and the Mechanicum dice look great, but is that HQ model the same one that was revealed alongside the mechanicum plastic releases? It looks worse somehow..
I rather like the Archmagos Prime.
I was really hoping for lots of options on it, but certainly the model we got looks cool.
Not Online!!! wrote: i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army.
Now that really is heresy...
I found their 'roadmap' about as useful as our local street signs (which are famously unhelpful). The bit about releasing a "long sought-after weapons kit" is promising; presumably it's the melee weapons set that should have come out long ago.
lord_blackfang wrote: Oh but we can at least lay to rest the Mk2 battlegroup lie, yea?
I'm not sure we can - it's all too vague. Although I wouldn't shed any tears if it did turn out to be bollocks.
Not Online!!! wrote: i doubt we NEED more tanks, even if you are a tank focused army.
Now that really is heresy...
I found their 'roadmap' about as useful as our local street signs (which are famously unhelpful). The bit about releasing a "long sought-after weapons kit" is promising; presumably it's the melee weapons set that should have come out long ago.
In the stream they specifically said melee weapon set so yes its that one
Let's be fair here. GW did a good roadmap for HH before this one, they are capable of that. Yeah, the plastic melee weapons slipped but roadmaps are always going to be subject to change.
This roadmap, on the other hand? It's an insult to the term. It's a joke. Even Tabletop Tactics made fun of it. Nobody should carry water for this gak.
Well, I guess all those people who really were excited about HH2E and then definitely kept that interest going while we had tank kit after tank kit can continue to be interested.
Melee sprue is good, but I've basically put it from my mind since it's taken so long. This tank release cycle continues to do nothing for me, especially when LI exists and lets us field way more tanks. Breachers, recon marines, destroyers, seekers and so on continue to seem more relevant for HH2E than more tanks do, but hey if it works for others, more power to them.
That NOVA “roadmap” stream was a massive waste of time No roadmap was promised, just vague hand wavering and hot air.
Look, we get it that sometimes things slip, but they did a really good job on delivering on the first roadmap. The only thing I can think about why they are being so willfully vague is there’s a new edition in the works. I don’t know anything about that, but it fits.
Video *tanks are easy to make as they already got the resin models
*more Solar Auxilia on the way
*Space Marines will get all the core units first, Legion specific plastics not until this is completed
*LI will still get support (qualifies as news for some people)
*all HH units are supposed to get kits for LI *new factions only after they finished Space Marines and Solar Auxilia
Article *melee weapon kit...
*Heresy Thursday is back
*more tanks...
*... and more plastic weapon kits for walkers (i.e. dreadnoughts, automata and knights)
The roadmap image is garbage. But to be fair, HH and LI don't have codices, tomes and the associated releases of single factions, just the occasionally campaign books and mostly small releases.
On a less whiny note (though I agree with all of the comments about the useless road map):
Next tanks up are likely to be Sicarans, probably the Arcus and Punisher given we've seen artwork and they're missing. I kind of doubt we'll see a plastic Fellblade or any variants in the near future, but I could be wrong.
As expected the Thanatar has its weapon on its own sprue so second version with swapped weapon sprue can be expected. Also the Krios Squadron entry is the same as the previous Krios except that it adds a new weapon in the Irradiation Blaster as the Krios Irradiator which is another sign that the Krios is coming in the next wave
Silly question, but I thought the half cyber skull symbol came after the Heresy, obviously I'm wrong since all the Mechanium models have it, but what that ever true?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Silly question, but I thought the half cyber skull symbol came after the Heresy, obviously I'm wrong since all the Mechanium models have it, but what that ever true?
I have a rather vague, somewhat hazy recollection of that, or something similar being the case. The cyber skull might have been around, but maybe the black/white colouring might have been post-heresy. Or vice-versa.
I would suspect though that it's been largely forgotten/retconned in favour of a more unified cross-time design language/aesthetic.
On a similar note to Kid_Kyoto’s question, is there anything on the 40k Tech-Priest Dominus model that is anachronistic to 30k? I prefer it to the new heresy Magos and (importantly) already own it somewhere, but I’m not sure if it needs anything doing to it.
Haighus wrote:Thanks! So what is the issue with rad weapons being S2? It only means they can't hurt vehicles?
Yeah, I can't honestly say I understand what the issue Moopy has with Irad. Although clarification would be great!
Template weapon, so you're auto-hitting. Wounding anything not a vehicle/fortification on a 2+ (Dreads and Mechanized rerolls successful wounds) and can assault into combat afterwards if that floats your boat. Only let down is it's AP5.
ImAGeek wrote:On a similar note to Kid_Kyoto’s question, is there anything on the 40k Tech-Priest Dominus model that is anachronistic to 30k? I prefer it to the new heresy Magos and (importantly) already own it somewhere, but I’m not sure if it needs anything doing to it.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Silly question, but I thought the half cyber skull symbol came after the Heresy, obviously I'm wrong since all the Mechanium models have it, but what that ever true?
It might have only been officially sanctioned/recognized after, but as I recall the whole Cult Mechanicum were up to a great many shaaaady as hell techno- (and otherwise) heresies to the the imperial cult all along. That much heterodoxy it's not hard to imagine they had something like this brewing, just didn't particularly bother asking for permission (...if that's even the right word in their mind back then; wasn't their status in/with the imperium more as an ally / treaty partner than as a subsumed, subservient element?)
The Mechanicum did largely believe itself to be an ally to the Imperium rather than a part of it, something that extended to a lot of worlds that were brought into compliance during the Crusade.
Even after becoming an Adeptus, the new Mechanicus still clung to a lot of its old values. The Fabricator General during the War of the Beast hampered a lot of war effort by trying to prevent Mars from losing assets just in case they needed to break from Terra and run away.
You know what I would like? A book on how the Mechanicum functions as a society. Like, not the details of the priesthood or the war machine, but who operates the factories, where do little techpriests come from (no not the story of the avian drone and the insectoid microdrone), who grows their food, all that.
Mr_Rose wrote: You know what I would like? A book on how the Mechanicum functions as a society. Like, not the details of the priesthood or the war machine, but who operates the factories, where do little techpriests come from (no not the story of the avian drone and the insectoid microdrone), who grows their food, all that.
Food? Clothes? Babies? I'm sure the answer to all of the above is factories.
Thinking more about it, IIRC the explanation for Forge Worlds etc is that the Mechanicus existed before the Age of Strife and dates to the Dark Age of Technology, so yeah a real history of them would be cool, does the Cult of the Machine God (was it ever confirmed to be a C'Tan?) precede the Emperor? Is it C'Tan all the way down? Or did the Immortal Emperor plant something early on?
Moopy wrote: I'm not sure why some folks are excited over Irradiated being great as S2 vs T4 is massively underwhelming. Even with Fleshbane.
BUT, it is nice to have more options, and probably someone smarter than me can make it work nicely.
What does fleshbane do in HH2? In HH1 it wounded on a 2+, completely sidestepping toughness.
See? Someone smarter than me stepped up!
It still does that in this edition.
Except against Mortarion and… maybe Dorn?
Also in original edition, successful wounds with the fleshbane or poisoned rule had to be re-rolled for models with a Cybernetica Cortex. (Cybernetic Resilience)
I think when the article went up, it said "next month" - but that was at the end of August, and so "next month" started on Thursday 5th September, so they've missed two possible Heresy Thursday's already.
I got the impression the person who answered my question about Heresy Thursday on Twitter was probably unamused by this - but given they didn't specify which Thursday in "next month" they meant, they brought this upon themselves.
Dysartes wrote: I think when the article went up, it said "next month" - but that was at the end of August, and so "next month" started on Thursday 5th September, so they've missed two possible Heresy Thursday's already.
I got the impression the person who answered my question about Heresy Thursday on Twitter was probably unamused by this - but given they didn't specify which Thursday in "next month" they meant, they brought this upon themselves.
I assume they're waiting until the daily Kill Team marketing has calmed down and we can acknowledge other game systems again.
Based on the "roadmaps" having a bit of a gap for most of the games from nowish through the new year and the slowdown in news in general andbthe double MTO preorder weeks, etc, I suspect that there's something at work on the backend of the business for the next couple months that is causing this. Maybe has to do with the new factory/warehouse etc. Or the supposedly long-challenged ERP system
chaos0xomega wrote: Based on the "roadmaps" having a bit of a gap for most of the games from nowish through the new year and the slowdown in news in general andbthe double MTO preorder weeks, etc, I suspect that there's something at work on the backend of the business for the next couple months that is causing this. Maybe has to do with the new factory/warehouse etc. Or the supposedly long-challenged ERP system
Combat Patrol apparently is running behind their dates due to shortage of stock. I suspect this might be part of the issue.
The roadmap article said the weapon sprue would be revealed "in the coming weeks" and implied it being released before the end of the year. I fully expect to see that and any resin named character models from the last supplement as the first returning Heresy Thursday articles.
Thanks!
Sounds like blabla, nitty-gritty or in german: lirumlarum. Mad Doc please help me! 
