Lumineth expansion
Sevireth, Lord of the Seven Winds
Broken Realms: Teclis
Along with new background that will forever change the Mortal Realms, the book features warscroll battalions for
Lumineth Realm-lords
Cities of Sigmar
Maggotkin of Nurgle
Flesh-eater Courts
Ossiarch Bonereapers
There are also warscrolls for a swathe of new Lumineth Realm-lords units, including some that we saw earlier in the week, and unique battleplans that let you play out some of the battles from the narrative yourself.
Of course, Teclis isn’t going to have everything his own way, Morathi will see to that. After claiming to have achieved apotheosis during the opening gambit of the Broken Realms saga, she is ready to unleash her forces in a fresh assault upon the Mortal Realms. What better way is there to begin such a campaign than with a new battletome?
Daughters of Khaine new Battletome and Endless Spells
The battletome and Endless Spells come out at the same time as their sworn enemies, the Hedonites of Slaanesh. Will you side with the bloodthirsty murder cult of serpent assassins or the bad guys?
Warhammer 40k:
Spoiler:
Sisters of Battle Paragon Warsuit
Adeptus Titanicus:
Spoiler:
Warmaster Titan
Loyalist Legios book
Warhammer Underworlds:
Spoiler:
The Crimson Court
Kill Team:
Spoiler:
Kill Team: Pariah Nexus! Heavy Intercessors, Captain in Gravis vs Chronomancer and Flayed Ones. AND SCENERY!
I'm assuming it has a lot to do with the various rumor engines we've being seeing.
Actually intrigued by the title. Given the red and the splatter, 'the Dead' are vampires (which, given the rumor engine, shouldn't be a surprise). The Divine tie into the witch hunter snippets, and could be a good place for some still-needed worldbuilding
Divine could also be the few hints we've seen of new Lumineth models in the last preview which showed at least one if not two new models for the army.
Dead could well be all those undead hints we've been having in the rumour releases. The big question will be if its simply an underworld warband or warcry warband - nice but not world shattering; or if its a full new Death army and a rework of Vampires themselves.
Personally I think that Soulblight/Vampires and Shadow Aelves are almost certain releases for GW at some point for AoS. Soulblight would be another solid Death army and another that takes osme units out of the Legion of Nagash and makes it their own thing.
Shadow Aelves have been in the lore for ages and its about time GW got them out; of course it might turn into the tease that was Cathay, Araby, Nippon and others in Old World - factions that exist; get lore and yet never make it to full development - the odd teaser of a model here and there, but never a full army (accepting that Araby did get one in Warmaster
Interesting. The Dead is most likely something for AoS Death. It could be anything from a new Underworlds warband all the way up to a new faction. But pretty sure its AoS Death.
But the Divine? No shortage of candidates for that across any of GW's worlds.
I don't think the Divine will tie into the witch-hunteresque items. At least not wholly.
We've got a few bits that looked Stormcast-y around the time we saw the initial 'vampire' rumor engines way back when. Maybe it will tie to those?
Alternatively, it might be Lumineth. We saw another Aelementari Temple tease and it might be Zenith rather than Wind. Zenith is the closest thing we know of to 'divinity' for the Lumineth, and they're the source of the whole angelic Elf things we have had mentioned.
Ooh, I do hope we'll get the next Necromunda preview at this event (House Cawdor) - which would tie in nicely, thematically! Also, the long0rumoured Kill Team: Inquisitor...
Overread wrote: Divine could also be the few hints we've seen of new Lumineth models in the last preview which showed at least one if not two new models for the army.
Certainly Tyrion, being god and all, would fit divine.
Still would be weird for year old faction to get second wave so soon despite there being even 5 year old factions still waiting 2nd wave.
Overread wrote: Divine could also be the few hints we've seen of new Lumineth models in the last preview which showed at least one if not two new models for the army.
Certainly Tyrion, being god and all, would fit divine.
Still would be weird for year old faction to get second wave so soon despite there being even 5 year old factions still waiting 2nd wave.
Not that i would mind getting more options
Easily possible that if it is Lumineth, it was originally intended to be 1 larger wave, but 2020 "events" culled some of the options out and had it split into 2.
Overread wrote: Divine could also be the few hints we've seen of new Lumineth models in the last preview which showed at least one if not two new models for the army.
Certainly Tyrion, being god and all, would fit divine.
Still would be weird for year old faction to get second wave so soon despite there being even 5 year old factions still waiting 2nd wave.
Not that i would mind getting more options
Easily possible that if it is Lumineth, it was originally intended to be 1 larger wave, but 2020 "events" culled some of the options out and had it split into 2.
They’d probably still be in the book though, as that would probably have been finalised quite a while back.
Finally going to see what the undead guys and gals look like. Divine is probably lumineth, but there are other options.
*Ecchlisiarchy are definitely coming and could tie in with the release of the Palantine and Lelith.
*Witchhunters, since they're sort of working for the divine(?)
Overread wrote: Divine could also be the few hints we've seen of new Lumineth models in the last preview which showed at least one if not two new models for the army.
Certainly Tyrion, being god and all, would fit divine.
Still would be weird for year old faction to get second wave so soon despite there being even 5 year old factions still waiting 2nd wave.
Not that i would mind getting more options
Easily possible that if it is Lumineth, it was originally intended to be 1 larger wave, but 2020 "events" culled some of the options out and had it split into 2.
You think they were going to release 2 lumineth simultanously? And never mentioned in previews before corona that showed all else? Nope. That's super unlikely. The book we have was finalised 2019 easily...you don't change book in couple months.
Yeah. Lumineth's range expanding was hinted at in some of the books, but we'd definitely have seen the models appear in the artwork if they were "ready to go" but delayed.
Plus, it's not too unheard of that they're getting another wave. GSC got a second release in a short time period. Stormcast got the vanguard out fairly quickly too
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah. Lumineth's range expanding was hinted at in some of the books, but we'd definitely have seen the models appear in the artwork if they were "ready to go" but delayed.
Maybe, maybe not. There was a few months of delay between the Lumineth Army Pack book and the general release of the army book. Part of that was actually the printing for the books.
Remember that the Army Pack was meant to be limited quantities.
Plus, it's not too unheard of that they're getting another wave. GSC got a second release in a short time period. Stormcast got the vanguard out fairly quickly too
Vanguard didn't come out that quickly at all. Two years, and they were intended to actually be a mini-faction book rather than an addition to the main army.
tneva82 wrote: Still would be weird for year old faction to get second wave so soon despite there being even 5 year old factions still waiting 2nd wave.
They've done it before. The first Stormcast Eternals battletome was released in 2015 while the Stormcast Eternals Extremis battletome was released in 2016. Granted Lumineth aren't the AoS equivalent of Space Marines but there is a precedent...
My only surprise with Lumineth getting more is that DoK and Ossiarchs and Flesheaters have been out for longer and all would benefit more models. I know Daughters of Khaine has recently had the underworld warband which are a good addition (though still waiting for their AoS specific box)
A lot of AoS forces would benefit second waves earlier because right now there's very few actual models for them. Heck you can build almost every model in Flesheaters and Fyreslayers with the getting started set and one other kit .
Considering the ghastly necron flayers and the crusading primaris, this would be a fitting preview for the upcoming Kill Team Indomitus expansion. Sisters of Battle would also be a good candidate for the "devine".
Clockpunk wrote: Ooh, I do hope we'll get the next Necromunda preview at this event (House Cawdor) - which would tie in nicely, thematically! Also, the long0rumoured Kill Team: Inquisitor...
I wish, but cawdor was slated for a Q2 release. I could see them being unveiled later in feb or sometime in march. But I think it's too soon for them right now. Sadly also likely too soon to see another blood bowl team. Not expecting anything specialist games related at this preview.
Vampires for AoS and Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k would seem to be the best bet here. Are Sisters missing anything themselves that a new wave might address?
soviet13 wrote: Vampires for AoS and Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k would seem to be the best bet here. Are Sisters missing anything themselves that a new wave might address?
Sisters need a lot of Ecclesiarchy stuff in plastic. Deathcult assassins, crusaders (ones not stuck in Blackstone Fortess boxes), Priests (rumor engine hints to this), and some non Canoness HQ options (Palantine should fit that role.)
soviet13 wrote: Vampires for AoS and Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k would seem to be the best bet here. Are Sisters missing anything themselves that a new wave might address?
Sisters need a lot of Ecclesiarchy stuff in plastic. Deathcult assassins, crusaders (ones not stuck in Blackstone Fortess boxes), Priests (rumor engine hints to this), and some non Canoness HQ options (Palantine should fit that role.)
Hence my making a separate comment about Ecclesiarchy and then asking if there were any gaps for the Sisters themselves.
soviet13 wrote: Vampires for AoS and Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k would seem to be the best bet here. Are Sisters missing anything themselves that a new wave might address?
The Sisters seem pretty solid, but this would be a good excuse to fill in the Ministorum side of things (even if they're not fleshing it out, just plastics for the stuff that's there already would be grand).
My guess is Undead (likely Vampire band) for Warcry as well as Order of Azyr Warband for Warcry (fits Divine keyword quite well). They could also show off the plastic Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k too and double up on the Divine.
Alternative the Dead could be the next AoS faction (Which vampires would fit) and show the March Underworld Vampire band too. Though that looks unlikely for March as we won’t be getting The Chaos Warband in January.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is Undead (likely Vampire band) for Warcry as well as Order of Azyr Warband for Warcry (fits Divine keyword quite well). They could also show off the plastic Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k too and double up on the Divine.
Alternative the Dead could be the next AoS faction (Which vampires would fit) and show the March Underworld Vampire band too. Though that looks unlikely for March as we won’t be getting The Chaos Warband in January.
You think it’ll be two Warcry warbands?
I mean, I’d think that would be a terrible preview if so,
I assume we are still getting chaos for Underworlds in Jan, they haven’t said we aren’t?
It’ll be on the 30th probably. As DG was the other big release for Jan and that was 16th.
After I posted above I rethought it. Still Vampires for AOS, but then house Cawdor for Necromunda. Those Junk kings think they are Custodes, so maybe they will have their own “House of the Divine” . I still think there are a few pics that look like their scavenged weapons in the preview pictures. Most notably the hand with the two metal claws which I think would be good for digging in their scrap piles.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is Undead (likely Vampire band) for Warcry as well as Order of Azyr Warband for Warcry (fits Divine keyword quite well). They could also show off the plastic Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k too and double up on the Divine.
Alternative the Dead could be the next AoS faction (Which vampires would fit) and show the March Underworld Vampire band too. Though that looks unlikely for March as we won’t be getting The Chaos Warband in January.
You think it’ll be two Warcry warbands?
I mean, I’d think that would be a terrible preview if so,
I assume we are still getting chaos for Underworlds in Jan, they haven’t said we aren’t?
It’ll be on the 30th probably. As DG was the other big release for Jan and that was 16th.
With the reduced release schedule I expect previews to be small. This will.be the 3rd preview in a month. In that time we've had just one week of releases.
I'd be happy with a double warcry preview, as it's the best game GW are currently producing by a mile. I don't ever watch the live streams though, they're tedious as hell. Just GW trying to compete for mindshare with a saturation bombing approach as usual
We're going to get a teaser for the teaser which has been teased and/or Death will refer to a body the base of a new Slaanesh reveal and 'divine' is a play on Slaanesh being their god.
In all seriousness, Divine is probably a Sisters of Battle codex and the Ecclesiarchy models whilst Death I'd guess is Warhammer Quest.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is Undead (likely Vampire band) for Warcry as well as Order of Azyr Warband for Warcry (fits Divine keyword quite well). They could also show off the plastic Ecclesiarchy stuff for 40k too and double up on the Divine.
Alternative the Dead could be the next AoS faction (Which vampires would fit) and show the March Underworld Vampire band too. Though that looks unlikely for March as we won’t be getting The Chaos Warband in January.
You think it’ll be two Warcry warbands?
I mean, I’d think that would be a terrible preview if so,
I assume we are still getting chaos for Underworlds in Jan, they haven’t said we aren’t?
It’ll be on the 30th probably. As DG was the other big release for Jan and that was 16th.
With the reduced release schedule I expect previews to be small. This will.be the 3rd preview in a month. In that time we've had just one week of releases.
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Small maybe, but two warbands for one game and that’s it?
I’d say not possible. They’d call it the Warcry preview if so.
Though to be fair, the preview doesn’t have to be small just because releases this month and next are reduced.
As it will surely mostly be showing things further out (March onwards) when we are back on schedule. Considering, we already know the next few releases coming..
It's not impossible, but right now I'd bet on the Palatine coming out in that boxed set then being released separately alongside a new 9E codex months later.
Could Divine be Custodes? It's been 3 years since their codex.
Would be oddly early. And break gw's holy tradition of using sisters as last codex of edition
New edition so who knows what the release schedule is. However, with the Palatine and a dual box with SoB/Drukhari it would not be surprising if a SoB codex follows shortly behind.
I'd love to see what the next broken realms book is. I really enjoyed the first one. I'd love to learn more about the results of the Ossiarch Bonereaper invasion of the Eight Points, and some more repercussions of that.
Something new? Or they just don't want to reveal the game system yet?
There's also a 'preview picture' but its just a cyclone of whirling gak (much like the green necron play-doh lightning or Nagash's annoying spirit gunk.
Don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to reveal the name of the game system unless it's a new game system - which may or may not be a new Quest variant. Interesting.
The "Dead" certainly feels like it would be the upcoming vampires for Underworlds. Makes sense at this time, seeing how they're coming soon and the Lizards have been shown. Probably time to show the Witch Hunter and other partially-revealed figures in full too, whatever thing they'll be part of. Which may or may not be the new game.
I'm guessing the mystery tile will be either a new Warhammer Quest or a new 40k quest. People keep theorizing the former, and a witch hunter character fits, but I think Blackstone Fortress was more popular and most of those sets are OOP.
Also, this seems like a pretty hefty reveal schedule, even if its only a model for each of the different games. Wonder why they're showing them off now, and not on a big date, like Christmas or New Years.
GaroRobe wrote: I'm guessing the mystery tile will be either a new Warhammer Quest or a new 40k quest. People keep theorizing the former, and a witch hunter character fits, but I think Blackstone Fortress was more popular and most of those sets are OOP.
Or it's Lord of the Rings tie-in to the Amazon series.
It's a question mark. It could be anything.
Also, this seems like a pretty hefty reveal schedule, even if its only a model for each of the different games. Wonder why they're showing them off now, and not on a big date, like Christmas or New Years.
The New Year's bit usually is bigger than it was, as it's usually tied in to open gaming day at Warhammer World. Christmas tends to be what we saw this year: a preview that's done in advance.
Overread wrote: Looks like an endless spell - perhaps finally DoK Endless Spells?!
It's pushing me further towards thinking Lumineth wave 2. The 'monster'(it's insinuated that it is actually fairly small as the match-up for it was the Twin Scribes from Tzeentch Daemons) for the Wind Temple was described as a fox-faced spirit that leapt through the air trailing ribbons/banners and was armed with a bow.
I certainly expect the Warhammer Underworlds preview to be the 3rd season 4 warband, which looks to be Soulblight.
For AoS, I look forward to book 2 of Shattered Realms, which we've heard nothing about for a while.
40k is trickier. Maybe a preview of the next few months codexs? Like how they revealed the October, November and December books back in September.
Kill Team will be the new Starter Box, looking like it'll be the new plastic Flayed Ones inside (from the old video teaser), and probably assault intersessors.
Titanicus will be whatever titan was previewed in the teasers.
I hope the mystery game is Mordheim, which would use the Witch Hunter style models they teased. Holy smokes that'd be amazing.
But they’ve only just re-released LOTR, as evidenced by this weekend’s re-releases of classic models.
Plus. The teased Easterling is using Weta’s designs for them, so would be tied to that license, rather than a hypothetical license for the Amazon series, which we don’t even know they have.
The wind definitely leans toward the Lumineth. Unless you read it as winds of magic = endless spells.
Now, does GW have the rights to the Amazon show? I know they (Amazon) have been working on the show for a while, but I assume it's still a long ways off and they probably wouldn't be able to do any promotional stuff from the show until it's close to being out. They wouldn't want spoilers to come out this early, before trailers, promotional pics, etc (although Lego has spoiled movies months before they're released, so I could be wrong.)
How soon was the Hobbit stuff revealed when the movies were announced/released? I remember they released "Bolg" before he got his redesign in the final movie, so they're clearly allowed access to WETA (and the cast was shown with their barrel models, since one of the dwarves was a GW fan)
The shape of the secret reveal matches the Age of Sigmar logo shape, which makes me think it's more likely to be a Warhammer Fantasy related item of some sort.
GaroRobe wrote: The wind definitely leans toward the Lumineth. Unless you read it as winds of magic = endless spells.
Now, does GW have the rights to the Amazon show? I know they (Amazon) have been working on the show for a while, but I assume it's still a long ways off and they probably wouldn't be able to do any promotional stuff from the show until it's close to being out. They wouldn't want spoilers to come out this early, before trailers, promotional pics, etc (although Lego has spoiled movies months before they're released, so I could be wrong.)
How soon was the Hobbit stuff revealed when the movies were announced/released? I remember they released "Bolg" before he got his redesign in the final movie, so they're clearly allowed access to WETA (and the cast was shown with their barrel models, since one of the dwarves was a GW fan)
That’ll vary license to license.
When GW stores got their demo/shelf copy of The Two Towers rule book, staff had to black out an image of an Uruk Hai Berserker because of licensing requirements (it was fine to be in the book overall, but wasn’t to be shown off until a specific date). I don’t recall there being others, but given I was the bloke with the sharpie, I can guarantee the Berseker one for sure.
This can be to keep surprises for the show/film, as well as to try to head off pirating of designs as much as possible for all license holders.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: But they’ve only just re-released LOTR, as evidenced by this weekend’s re-releases of classic models.
Sure, and this coming weekend has more re-releases...that are only until stocks run out.
It's not unbelievable for them to have another "Armies of..." book detailing things, especially since The Second Age already has elements in Middle Earth(the Last Alliance is part of that timeframe) which could be a good thing. Biggest note though is that as you said, they've only just re-released LOTR...yet they have not touched any of the original releases from FoTR which includes items that would be present in Second Age.
Plus. The teased Easterling is using Weta’s designs for them, so would be tied to that license, rather than a hypothetical license for the Amazon series, which we don’t even know they have.
The teased Easterlings use elements of Weta's designs for them. Notably the head crests. The rest of it is difficult to ascertain given that it's a silhouette.
GaroRobe wrote: Now, does GW have the rights to the Amazon show?
Honestly, not sure if GW would even want the licence or be willing to do anything with it. Between LotR and Hobbit, the show is more likely to emulate the later.
Overread wrote: Looks like an endless spell - perhaps finally DoK Endless Spells?!
It's pushing me further towards thinking Lumineth wave 2. The 'monster'(it's insinuated that it is actually fairly small as the match-up for it was the Twin Scribes from Tzeentch Daemons) for the Wind Temple was described as a fox-faced spirit that leapt through the air trailing ribbons/banners and was armed with a bow.
I would LOVE a Kitsune themed Lumenth spirit.
I've long wanted the elves to take on a more Japanese theme.
jaredb wrote: 40k is trickier. Maybe a preview of the next few months codexs? Like how they revealed the October, November and December books back in September.
Because they've gone back to 1/month, for some reason, we already know the Feb/March ones are Dark Angels & Dark Eldar, though I can't remember which way round. Revealing the April one (or ones, if they're feeling optimistic) wouldn't be a bad shout, though I'm doubtful they'd go as far as May.
DA would presumably confirm the remaining releases from the SM 'dex - such as the new speeder - though I'm curious as to whether they confirm any new releases for DE aside from Lilith.
I feel like the ? part has a very slim possibility of being an announcement of an agreement with Amazon's Middle Earth show- no miniatures or anything, just that a deal is in place.
More probable is it's some new spin off title for AoS or 40K.
GW also won't want to reveal too far in advance right now in case covid throws up another issue. Might be new restrictions; production shortfalls being worse than estimated or even someone key in GW factory catches covid and it shuts down the work teams/factory for two weeks.
At the same time if things go better than hoped GW might be able to ramp up production and push toward 3 times a month etc...
Overread wrote: Looks like an endless spell - perhaps finally DoK Endless Spells?!
It's pushing me further towards thinking Lumineth wave 2. The 'monster'(it's insinuated that it is actually fairly small as the match-up for it was the Twin Scribes from Tzeentch Daemons) for the Wind Temple was described as a fox-faced spirit that leapt through the air trailing ribbons/banners and was armed with a bow.
I would LOVE a Kitsune themed Lumenth spirit.
I've long wanted the elves to take on a more Japanese theme.
Sounds awesome but still wating for the 40k catgirl models - must be soon right?
GaroRobe wrote: I'm guessing the mystery tile will be either a new Warhammer Quest or a new 40k quest. People keep theorizing the former, and a witch hunter character fits, but I think Blackstone Fortress was more popular and most of those sets are OOP.
Also, this seems like a pretty hefty reveal schedule, even if its only a model for each of the different games. Wonder why they're showing them off now, and not on a big date, like Christmas or New Years.
New year had big slaanesh release. Plus hinted at tons of other models some that likely get shown here.
Gw doesn"t do gargantuan preview and then nothing. Slow steady hype.
(also gw doesn't generally show models more than 3 months away)
Kanluwen wrote:Or it's Lord of the Rings tie-in to the Amazon series.
Kanluwen wrote:Still thinking the mystery game is definitely Lord of the Rings. We had a tease of the Easterlings not long ago, and it outright said we would not have long to wait
Surely that would still fall under the generic "Middle-earth" banner, and could be shown as the new logo they've made ever since integrating the Hobbit and LotR fully as one system (they were never truly separate of course, but the books featured the logo of one or the other, and with the latest edition those have been combined). Besides, I'd agree it's far too early show anything for that theoretical collaboration, apart from potentially an announcement that they will be working with that material.
No way the Easterlings are related to the Amazon show, precisely because they are due to be released soon. Easterlings have little to do with the little we know of the Amazon show, they're just for a new standard supplement, likely focussed on Dale and the Lonely Mountain at the end of the War of the Ring.
His Master's Voice wrote:
GaroRobe wrote: Now, does GW have the rights to the Amazon show?
Honestly, not sure if GW would even want the licence or be willing to do anything with it. Between LotR and Hobbit, the show is more likely to emulate the later.
How so?
GaroRobe wrote:TNow, does GW have the rights to the Amazon show? I know they (Amazon) have been working on the show for a while, but I assume it's still a long ways off and they probably wouldn't be able to do any promotional stuff from the show until it's close to being out. They wouldn't want spoilers to come out this early, before trailers, promotional pics, etc (although Lego has spoiled movies months before they're released, so I could be wrong.)
How soon was the Hobbit stuff revealed when the movies were announced/released? I remember they released "Bolg" before he got his redesign in the final movie, so they're clearly allowed access to WETA (and the cast was shown with their barrel models, since one of the dwarves was a GW fan)
Of course, the Hobbit trilogy was an absolute mess anyway, what with the late decision to make it into 3 films rather than 2 (some products that were supposed to be relevant to the first film ended up only being shown in the second film), characters changing designs (Azog, Bolg and the Keeper of the Dungeons; Thranduil released as a model riding a horse rather than the stag), etcetera... Difficult to say how that corresponds to normal schedules, agreements and production timelines!
Also Smaug having four legs in the first film, but looking like a wyvern later on.
I was thinking it would be AOS/40k related for the mystery slot, but the lack of LOTR on the previews, coupled with the teased Easterlings, could mean that the last slot is something Tolkein esqe
It won't be Middle-Earth. There is no way GW is going to have two seperate licences for two different games in the setting. Too much repetition when they have access to most of the material anyway.
This will either be a more detailed look at the old world, or more likely, a new warhammer quest. Probably an AoS version now that Blackstone is done.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It won't be Middle-Earth. There is no way GW is going to have two seperate licences for two different games in the setting. Too much repetition when they have access to most of the material anyway.
Nobody's saying two separate licenses.
When they announced they got the license to The Hobbit? They made a Big Deal about it.
Amazon’s series is set in an era unexplored to the general public. The show itself is an entirely unknown quantity.
The films were kinda the opposite. A beloved trilogy finally coming to the big screen, amidst a massive marketing push. Knowing the book, the action scenes were easy to predict - and plan for.
The series? Who knows how much fisticuffs might ensue? Being limited to a streaming platform, will it have the same reach as the movies? Will it have the same appeal?
Given they’ve already got the license and an existing range, do they really need another? Or will they just ride the renewed interest and call it profit?
There's relatively little original Tolkien writing concerning 2nd age. Mostly historical outlines and story sketches. I know what happens when Hollywood screenwriters try to write Tolkien.
In general, I find it unlikely for the series to trigger a surge of interest in the IP that would warrant a major investment from GW. Then again, new GW is less risk averse, so maybe they don't mind going big on Middle Earth for the third time.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It won't be Middle-Earth. There is no way GW is going to have two seperate licences for two different games in the setting. Too much repetition when they have access to most of the material anyway.
Nobody's saying two separate licenses.
When they announced they got the license to The Hobbit? They made a Big Deal about it.
Unless Amazon is under the same umbrella as Newline (or whoever it is now) then it would have to be two seperate licences. And two seperate games, as i can't imagine the headache it would be too integrate the movie and series licences. And that's assuming Amazon would allow for their series to be integrated into the same game rather than wanting something seperate with their name on it. Don't get me wrong Kan, i would love more Middle-Earth, but i just don't see it happening.
New Line is listed as a production entity on the series wiki, so it's possible Amazon is simply fronting the money and New Line remains the IP licence holder. That would simplify the licencing somewhat.
deano2099 wrote: Question mark could be a new Horus Heresy standalone board game (akin to Calth/Prospero)?
Perhaps based on the Siege of Terra? It seems crazy that so much effort is going into that series of books to finish it all up, with no game support.
It could in theory, but personally I hope not. Not on the anti-marine train, but it would be another 'yet more marines' project that seems unnecessary. Especially seeing how we've _still_ got a pile of marine kits from four months ago (and counting) in the release queue.
It would also be a boxed set of not-primaris marines, and I honestly don't see that happening, and it would raise questions about 'what's happening with the HH game in general?' that GW seems reluctant to answer.
jaredb wrote: 40k is trickier. Maybe a preview of the next few months codexs? Like how they revealed the October, November and December books back in September.
Because they've gone back to 1/month, for some reason, we already know the Feb/March ones are Dark Angels & Dark Eldar, though I can't remember which way round. Revealing the April one (or ones, if they're feeling optimistic) wouldn't be a bad shout, though I'm doubtful they'd go as far as May.
DA would presumably confirm the remaining releases from the SM 'dex - such as the new speeder - though I'm curious as to whether they confirm any new releases for DE aside from Lilith.
Scheduled release of Death Guard in December and Dark Angles plus Drukari in January was delayed by production and distribution issues. Thus we have the new fortnightly release schedule that pushed Death Guard to January and presumedly all the January releases during the next 6 weeks (1/30, 2/13, and 2/27). I assume we will learn if they are able to get back to weekly release in March or need to keep stringing things out in early February.
So it might be a bit early to announce the next three month of codex releases, or they could if they include the updated schedule for February along with March and April schedules.
If it was warhammer quest, why would it be hidden? It's not a new game. As to it being age of sigmar mordheim, they already have their chaos skirmish game. They aren't going to compete with themselves.
My money is on one of:
-Something to tie the heresy into the siege of terra (would explain why heresy has been flatlined for a while)
-Lord of the rings
-Maybe warhammer the old world, but that seems unlikely given what they've said before
-Something to tie the heresy into the siege of terra (would explain why heresy has been flatlined for a while)
The main reason the HH is flatlining is because one of the biggest driving forces sadly passed away a few years back. Adam Bligh was a huge and influential part of the FWHH team and without him, it's lost a lot of steam :/
The main reason the HH is flatlining is because one of the biggest driving forces sadly passed away a few years back. Adam Bligh was a huge and influential part of the FWHH team and without him, it's lost a lot of steam :/
I'm sure that has had an affect on things, but we are now coming up on 4 years since Alan passed away. They've released two black books since then and hired new staff. I'm not holding my breath for the heresy to be revived, but it's fun conjecture.
The main reason the HH is flatlining is because one of the biggest driving forces sadly passed away a few years back. Adam Bligh was a huge and influential part of the FWHH team and without him, it's lost a lot of steam :/
I'm sure that has had an affect on things, but we are now coming up on 4 years since Alan passed away. They've released two black books since then and hired new staff. I'm not holding my breath for the heresy to be revived, but it's fun conjecture.
Anuj left FW at the end of 2020 so the HH rules team is currently a single person - Neil Wylie. The best outcome now might be for it to officially become a "Specialist Game" and have that team take over development.
There's relatively little original Tolkien writing concerning 2nd age. Mostly historical outlines and story sketches. I know what happens when Hollywood screenwriters try to write Tolkien.
In general, I find it unlikely for the series to trigger a surge of interest in the IP that would warrant a major investment from GW. Then again, new GW is less risk averse, so maybe they don't mind going big on Middle Earth for the third time.
Ah, in that sense. It's difficult to gauge how big a deal it will be, but given the money Amazon poured into it, I guess they'll certainly try to make it a big thing, and I imagine the opening episodes will draw some viewers (a few of whom might even pay for the privilege), but whether it will have the cultural impact of the LotR trilogy and Game of Thrones (the latter of which soured towards the end of course)? Amazon hasn't pulled off many large successes with their own original shows so far, though I'm not sure how much that says given the different scope of the new Middle-earth show, which has some legwork done for it by rekindling existing magic using a known setting and atmosphere (which the Hobbit didn't fully manage to wipe out I think - some people even liked it, while few others hated it enough to not watch a new Middle-earth thing - see also Star Wars I-III, VII-IX and the Mandalorian etcetera).
Anyway, I would still expect GW to go in on the license if it's feasible, simply to ride the wave of increased interest in their existing stuff and to prevent another company from possibly getting a competing Middle-earth license.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote:If it was warhammer quest, why would it be hidden? It's not a new game. As to it being age of sigmar mordheim, they already have their chaos skirmish game. They aren't going to compete with themselves.
My money is on one of:
-Something to tie the heresy into the siege of terra (would explain why heresy has been flatlined for a while)
-Lord of the rings
-Maybe warhammer the old world, but that seems unlikely given what they've said before
Warhammer Quest would be hidden because it's a new logo, which would reveal something about the new setting (like Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress). If it was just more news on Warhammer: the Old World, surely they'd simply have put that logo there. As you say yourself, it wouldn't be hidden because (in that sense) it's not a new game. Unless they're all snickering away at the moment seeing us try and work out what it is, while it's really just Necromunda or whatever. Some previously unknown new system is by far the most logical option.
A Warhammer quest pitting Witch Hunter and Company against the Undead makes a ton of sense with all the rumor engine images (and the long term rumor of such a product)
The fact they've commited to returning to the Old World even opens up the possibility of it being set there.
Eldarain wrote: A Warhammer quest pitting Witch Hunter and Company against the Undead makes a ton of sense with all the rumor engine images (and the long term rumor of such a product)
The fact they've commited to returning to the Old World even opens up the possibility of it being set there.
I don't agree. They've been really open about the fact that any 'Old World' stuff is a long way off (2023+). Something that can crossover/promote AoS sales now is much more sensible rather than risking a new product on whatever theoretical enthusiasm might exist for a project still in its early stages.
Warhammer Quest <Fangs & Stakes> edition works with elements that are already in AoS, but haven't gotten decent treatment yet.
I think, personally, that the Soulblight and Vampire Hunter-esque teasers are going to be Broken Realms related rather than boardgame.
Cities of Sigmar featured some pretty dynamic shifts in the first book(Anvilgard splitting into Har Kuron and introducing Misthavn) along with a new Hero/revised Hero for the Daughters of Khaine. We had Lethis introduced in Forbidden Power as a City in Shyish--having Vampire Hunters and Soulblight/Necromancer stuff introduced as part of that (like how we're seeing Hedonites get an expanded range after fluff from the Morathi book) would not be out of the question.
Something in the wind? Could it mean a new AoS faction based on flatulence?
A game nodding towards The Old World - even if its AoS characters visiting an ancient site - would be cool. And yes, Man-O-War would be most welcome as a fantasy alternative to Titanicus and Aeronautica.
Looking forward most to Kill Team, if only for a new book to provide rules for the new Indomitus stuff. Its also high time to see the inclusion of the Ynnari.
For 40K, hoping for Ynnari or Harlequin codices. No idea what they will reveal on the day.
Wasn't expecting much but this preview sounds promising for a change. Bring it on.
The Wind Temple for Lumineth. The temples are kinda totemic, with each having a creature of some sort that exemplifies the element.
I'm dying to know more about this critter. We have horses in the range too, and the specifics of them are kinda boring. The bloodline is from the center of the realm of Hysh, in an area inhabited by all the mortal races.
What is the source for that omg I want it even if the mini is as much of a pixelated sasquatch as the potato quality photo you just put in front of me.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Wasn't there a something related to Kill Team and Flayed Ones a long long while ago? Maybe we'll see that.
Yeah. There was a video snippet three months ago during the SM/Necron wave, and we got the bad result- that they're waiting until Kill Team to finish off the necron releases (and 5 or so pending SM kits, though some of those were likely tied to DA in the original relaese plan)
I'm not sure if its been mentioned but I think Seraphon could fit into the "divine" part. I mean they're all about the stars and all that.
Plus with the release of their Underworlds miniatures, it would be likely to begin releasing updates on their AoS models.
Of course as many have said Lumineth also seems likely, with the Kangaroo and all. Thats just what us Aussies look like on our ways to work..
I wonder how many more Lumineth units will come with these epic high elf taun tauns. The rumour engine they showed in the preview article looks like luminary cloth in wind so potentially a whole new “chamber”
Tiberius501 wrote: I wonder how many more Lumineth units will come with these epic high elf taun tauns. The rumour engine they showed in the preview article looks like luminary cloth in wind so potentially a whole new “chamber”
Four.
The "New Year, New Models" video teased a Mage on cloud(which is how the Wind Temple Mages are described) and had an armoured, knightly-esque character on a mount with a much more upright and almost gryphon-esque neck...along with a shield in hand. I'm guessing that will be a Vanari(which is not strictly Tyrionic or Teclian--it's the common soldiery) character.
The teaser today is likely the Wind Temple's Spirit.
The leak is the actual Wind Temple devotees.
I would not be shocked if a Broken Realms book unlocks Zaitrec getting Wind Temple as Battleline, since they're mentioned alongside of the named Wind Spirit, The Slicing Gale, in a story blurb.
Tiberius501 wrote: I wonder how many more Lumineth units will come with these epic high elf taun tauns. The rumour engine they showed in the preview article looks like luminary cloth in wind so potentially a whole new “chamber”
Four.
The "New Year, New Models" video teased a Mage on cloud(which is how the Wind Temple Mages are described) and had an armoured, knightly-esque character on a mount with a much more upright and almost gryphon-esque neck...along with a shield in hand. I'm guessing that will be a Vanari(which is not strictly Tyrionic or Teclian--it's the common soldiery) character.
The teaser today is likely the Wind Temple's Spirit.
The leak is the actual Wind Temple devotees.
I would not be shocked if a Broken Realms book unlocks Zaitrec getting Wind Temple as Battleline, since they're mentioned alongside of the named Wind Spirit, The Slicing Gale, in a story blurb.
This is what I’m thinking too. Keen to see proper reveals of all of them.
Interesting. Wonder how this will work in game. Generally in gw games mount plus bow is bad and they have to compete with 36" no los archers with not insignificant firepower for extra headache
For new Lumineth models does sound about right. I figure it would be on par with the Alarith if in fact it does turn out to be another of the elemental aspect temples. I personally wouldn't think any of the elemental aspect temples would reverse opinion of the Lumineth as they seem to be setup to put even more distance that Lumineth aren't High Elves in AoS. However, the places of the internet I visit seem to be much more receiving the Archeraroos than the Battlecattle. The jokes seem much more like light ribbing than harsh criticism with these.
I wouldn't put it pass my personal bias, or the fact that Lumineth already have a precedent of strange ideas that make these models more accepted. That, and I think people might just be responding better to these over the Spirit of the Mountain and Stone Guard models.
I still think that GW can catch a lot of new customers when they get to Tyrion and any more traditional military units that might come with him. But I do appreciate the weird and wacky stuff being done now. The Lumineth are quickly becoming my favorite GW faction (AoS or 40k don't matter). Which is strange as I don't even care for fantasy much anymore. Now, if I could just nail down how to paint the Lumineth as nice as I want them to be....
The real question will be if this means theres going to be plastic blood knights or if even vampire infantry? I could see thralls as a lower form of vampire if they don't want to just do a copy-paste of Vampire Counts from WFB.
That bat hair would definitely get a snip if I got her. Not thrilled with the sculpt but happy to see some kind of vampire focused faction coming confirmed.
The Vamp is ok, the sculpt needs a haircut though.
Kangaroo riders are hideous and dumb. Good luck aiming, while that thing jumps up and down! The bow is also uneven - the bottom is shorter. The way this is sculpted and ornamented - Even the high elf eagle chariot looks cool and realistic in comparison.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: The Vamp is ok, the sculpt needs a haircut though.
Kangaroo riders are hideous and dumb. Good luck aiming, while that thing jumps up and down! The bow is also uneven - the bottom is shorter. The way this is sculpted and ornamented - Even the high elf eagle chariot looks cool and realistic in comparison.
Seeing it isn't carbon copy of kangaroo can't say how it moves
Yup, the Lumineth look ridiculously awesome. They're angling to be my favorite faction of everything Games Workshop. Age of Sigmar, Warhammer 40,000, everything. And I normally find fantasy elves so very intolerable.
The reason the bottom of the bow is shorter than the top is a real historical design to allow the bow user to have a longer range bow with high torsion, while keeping the lower half short enough to allow the archer to pivot it over the mount without the length getting in the way.
Leaks are always exiting and the models look great. But I kinda hope this is it for unplanned reveals, as I'd like at least a few surprises on Saturday.
After the initial double take I realised I actually like the Lumineth cav in the slightly Moebius, almost old Rackham way. At serious risk of sounding pretentious; you know how some of the saddest songs are actually in major scale? I love how the Lumineth hauty, traditionally elfish disposition is counter-balanced by ridiculous things like cloud cows in armour, watchmaker hammers and kangaroo cavalry. Where I always found their Old World (and Tolkien) ancestors to take themselves a little too seriously, I think the Lumineth are actually shaping up to be majestic as all get out (and that quality in itself is always a bit ridiculous, if we're completely honest).
posermcbogus wrote: Oh cool, Japanese motifs in an army of elves with pink skin and European features!
I doubt Japanese were only ones that came up with. Just first picture I ran into searching for asymmetric bow. Not japanese bow or whatever. Asymmetric bow
I also wouldn’t describe Elves as having European features.
Pasty skin, yes. But pointed ears, almond shaped, black eyes and fine, pointed features aren’t notably European. Indeed, they’re not human features at all. Probably because they’re Elves.
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Mystic Grotsnik Predicts.
I have consulted the Squig of Sense, and he reckons the Vampires, lore wise, will be Nagash’s emissaries to the mortal worlds. Those that rule over living populations.
Reckon the army will be fairly heavy hitting elites (the Vampires and their lessers), plus tar pits, including re-done Zombies.
If you’ve borne witness to Mystic Grotsnik’s astounding powers, you’ll know this is almost certainly wrong. But I figured I’d share it to stop the Squig of Sense getting all upset.
Ah.. an Aelfaroo. The equivalent of a current day sniper asking for a pogo stick.
I know elves were meant to be good with bows, but these aelves must be awesome to be requiring a handicap to firing.
And as for the disney vampire... meh. Such an uninspiring pose, but with the now requisit gw long plastic tendrils and stood on a piece of terrain.
I feel like Mugatoo again, am I taking crazy pills ? That vampire looks ugly af, what are bats flying around holding its hair aloft ? How is that either menacing or evil ? It's like Fabio having his luscious hair carried up by loving humming birds.
Seriously, I love vampires but that just looks kinda stupid to me.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Ah.. an Aelfaroo. The equivalent of a current day sniper asking for a pogo stick.
I know elves were meant to be good with bows, but these aelves must be awesome to be requiring a handicap to firing.
And as for the disney vampire... meh. Such an uninspiring pose, but with the now requisit gw long plastic tendrils and stood on a piece of terrain.
Except it’s legs suggest a running creature, not a hopping one.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Ah.. an Aelfaroo. The equivalent of a current day sniper asking for a pogo stick.
I know elves were meant to be good with bows, but these aelves must be awesome to be requiring a handicap to firing.
And as for the disney vampire... meh. Such an uninspiring pose, but with the now requisit gw long plastic tendrils and stood on a piece of terrain.
You do realize right that the thing doesn't move like kangaroo does? It's evident from the model itself.
The...thing...is...not...a...kangaroo. It does not MOVE like a kangaroo. All we can tell for sure regarding how it moves is that it does NOT move like a kangaroo so pretty bold of you to say how hard it is to shoot from top of one.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Ah.. an Aelfaroo. The equivalent of a current day sniper asking for a pogo stick.
I know elves were meant to be good with bows, but these aelves must be awesome to be requiring a handicap to firing.
And as for the disney vampire... meh. Such an uninspiring pose, but with the now requisit gw long plastic tendrils and stood on a piece of terrain.
Except it’s legs suggest a running creature, not a hopping one.
Like a furry Parasaurolophus.
Yeah. Pretty much this.
Kangaroos struggle to move their hind legs independently. Which is why they crawl fairly clumsily if they move at slow, non-hopping speed.
The sculpt of the animal having one leg raised, one leg on the ground suggests a bi-pedal runner, more like a running bird or something along those lines.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Ah.. an Aelfaroo. The equivalent of a current day sniper asking for a pogo stick.
I know elves were meant to be good with bows, but these aelves must be awesome to be requiring a handicap to firing.
And as for the disney vampire... meh. Such an uninspiring pose, but with the now requisit gw long plastic tendrils and stood on a piece of terrain.
Except it’s legs suggest a running creature, not a hopping one.
Like a furry Parasaurolophus.
Yeah. Pretty much this.
Kangaroos struggle to move their hind legs independently. Which is why they crawl fairly clumsily if they move at slow, non-hopping speed.
The sculpt of the animal having one leg raised, one leg on the ground suggests a bi-pedal runner, more like a running bird or something along those lines.
Think you're being a bit generous Doc, the general body shape and positioning is the same bar one leg. It's 100% fine to like it, but it looks like a kangaroo.
RazorEdge wrote: Some People on the Internet speculate about an Epic announcement....
I'm on the record (only half-jokingly) stating it'll be Man O' War; Age of Sigmar ... or at least Battlefleet Gothic 30k, the only possible explanation for the Mantic's rushed job of Armada. I'm also probably completely wrong.
Billicus wrote: Think you're being a bit generous Doc, the general body shape and positioning is the same bar one leg. It's 100% fine to like it, but it looks like a kangaroo.
Yes it has elements of it. Also tauntaun. And dinosaurus.
It's dishonest saying it moves like kangaroo and how archers could shoot from it though seeing we can already tell just from model it does not move like kangaroo.
Just because it shares some elements doesn't make it kangaroo and doesn't mean it moves like a kangaroo. And I doubt GW is calling it kangaroo either.
It...does...not...move...like...a...kangaroo. So could the complain about how they can shoot from top of it stop? How do people shoot archers from top of horse? From all we know it is even smoother ride than horse! We don't know how it moves so we can't tell how hard it is to move. We do know it does not move like a kangaroo though.
Since when did any logic in how something shoots or operate ever need to come into a warhammer game ? It would be as possible for someone in warhammer to get accurate archer fire from a kangaroo bouncing around as it is for most of the over the top things in the game.
Like a vampire training bats to carry its long beautiful hair for it as it does battle, for instance.
How do we know it doesn't move like a kangaroo ? Are we just assuming it does ? Because if we are, I am assuming it does move like a mighty War Roo.
AngryAngel80 wrote: Since when did any logic in how something shoots or operate ever need to come into a warhammer game ? It would be as possible for someone in warhammer to get accurate archer fire from a kangaroo bouncing around as it is for most of the over the top things in the game.
Like a vampire training bats to carry its long beautiful hair for it as it does battle, for instance.
How do we know it doesn't move like a kangaroo ? Are we just assuming it does ? Because if we are, I am assuming it does move like a mighty War Roo.
The two hind legs moving independently. The one thing you can pretty much say is it doesn't hop like a kangaroo.
Vampire looks great to me. How the whole faction is similar
Well you can entitled to the opinion it doesn't move like a kangaroo but to me it does move like one, just with independent legs because it's that skilled. That is why its a War Roo and not your simple garden variety Rooling.
Edit. No its nothing like those, it's a War Roo, thank you much.
Yes but its fantasy so these fantasy roos could have each leg move on their own for more intense and evasive Roo weaving in the heat of battle. Much evasive, such skill.
You tube has no videos of fantasy War Roos like these, so it can not help me.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I feel like Mugatoo again, am I taking crazy pills ? That vampire looks ugly af, what are bats flying around holding its hair aloft ? How is that either menacing or evil ? It's like Fabio having his luscious hair carried up by loving humming birds.
Seriously, I love vampires but that just looks kinda stupid to me.
I don't think the bats are holding the hair and it's mopre he's turning from a cloud of bats to corporeal or viceversa, similar to like they did in the Dracula Untold film.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I feel like Mugatoo again, am I taking crazy pills ? That vampire looks ugly af, what are bats flying around holding its hair aloft ? How is that either menacing or evil ? It's like Fabio having his luscious hair carried up by loving humming birds.
Seriously, I love vampires but that just looks kinda stupid to me.
I don't think the bats are holding the hair and it's mopre he's turning from a cloud of bats to corporeal or viceversa, similar to like they did in the Dracula Untold film.
Maybe, I'd need to see a better pic or different angles, as from what it looks like to me the bats are carrying it's hair like little tiny cuties so all the blood doesn't get into it's sexy? hair.
It looks like a kangaroo to me, not a fan at all.
And don't like the admittedly unclear glimpse of the vampire.
I guess my wallet can heave a sigh of relief.
Well, there was a GW store manager around here who once told a friend of mine the only good faction in warhammer fantasy was the vampire counts. True story, maybe this model is the ultimate evolution of them from blood thirsty evil to disney good guy ? He wasn't wrong all these years, they were simply an evil looking people with hearts of gold. Just look how happy the bats are to help ? A real Cinderella moment. Perhaps it has evil step sisters as well.
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Huron black heart wrote: It looks like a kangaroo to me, not a fan at all.
And don't like the admittedly unclear glimpse of the vampire.
I guess my wallet can heave a sigh of relief.
It does look like a Kangaroo, but that isn't a reason to hate it, but a reason to love it. The time of the War Roo battle beast squadron is upon us all and I say, about time.
Well, there was a GW store manager around here who once told a friend of mine the only good faction in warhammer fantasy was the vampire counts. True story, maybe this model is the ultimate evolution of them from blood thirsty evil to disney good guy ? He wasn't wrong all these years, they were simply an evil looking people with hearts of gold. Just look how happy the bats are to help ? A real Cinderella moment. Perhaps it has evil step sisters as well.
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Huron black heart wrote: It looks like a kangaroo to me, not a fan at all.
And don't like the admittedly unclear glimpse of the vampire.
I guess my wallet can heave a sigh of relief.
The Rooriders? Kangors? Kangaroovlry?
It does look like a Kangaroo, but that isn't a reason to hate it, but a reason to love it. The time of the War Roo battle beast squadron is upon us all and I say, about time.
GW Store manager was arguably correct about Vlad Von Carsten at least.
Even when he was invading, he gave the same choice. Surrender and live, or resist and die. Serve me in life, or serve me in death. And he kept his word.
Sadly, Konrad and Mannfred didn’t exactly share such sentiments.
If it's an AOS spinoff and not Old World then maybe they're redoing Warcry as a more traditional range game with army books, list building, etc. That'd be true to type since they've just sold loads of supplement books for it - better invalidate those.
I think I speak for all of us when I say, I think the Kangaroo riders would be 1000x better if the aelves were riding inside their pouches. Missed opportunity GW!
I'd imagine so. Picture looks legit, the mace was in a recent rumor engine, etc. And since it's already in a clampack, it's not like it's going to be a Warhammer quest model that get's left without a faction once they inevitably rebox it. We've seen quite a few teases that hint at vampires and zombies coming, beyond things like Warhammer Underworld, so Soulblight are finally getting their due. Though, I'm surprised they stuck with soulblight. I don't mind the name, but they usually drop the original faction name they came up with
I'd imagine so. Picture looks legit, the mace was in a recent rumor engine, etc. And since it's already in a clampack, it's not like it's going to be a Warhammer quest model that get's left without a faction once they inevitably rebox it. We've seen quite a few teases that hint at vampires and zombies coming, beyond things like Warhammer Underworld, so Soulblight are finally getting their due. Though, I'm surprised they stuck with soulblight. I don't mind the name, but they usually drop the original faction name they came up with
Isn't soulblight the AoS term for vampirism? A vampire is soul blighted(?) like a big green bloke is an Orruk.
Ok, my 40k Daemonette army doesn't need a foot-slogging Daemon Princess to go with the flying one I made out of Neave Blacktalon, but dat Vampire Lord. *whistle*
I guess the Soulblight Gravelords will be a new faction uniting the former Soulblights and certainly Deadwalkers / Deathmages. Maybe Deathrattle as well.
Sarouan wrote: I guess the Soulblight Gravelords will be a new faction uniting the former Soulblights and certainly Deadwalkers / Deathmages. Maybe Deathrattle as well.
Basically, the new Legions of Nagash...
That would be my hope. As much as I have enjoyed the Nighthaunts, the Ossiarch Bonereapers were not what I was hoping for with the skeleton/zombie hordes. I really enjoy the Von Carstein style aesthetic and this would be perfect if they brought it back.
Sarouan wrote: I guess the Soulblight Gravelords will be a new faction uniting the former Soulblights and certainly Deadwalkers / Deathmages. Maybe Deathrattle as well.
Basically, the new Legions of Nagash...
Yeah, looks like Vampire Counts are getting an AoS makeover.
I bet it is. It's obviously a plain version of the AoS logo and I bet it's intended to tell us the game is AoS based. They could have used a blacked out version of the new game's actual logo. That they didn't tells us that it would be either too revealing (if it were the recognizable shape of Warhammer Quest for example) or not revealing enough (if it's something new) so they put "vanilla AoS" instead, because that's precisely how much info they wanted to give out.
GaroRobe wrote: I think I speak for all of us when I say, I think the Kangaroo riders would be 1000x better if the aelves were riding inside their pouches. Missed opportunity GW!
Well, there was a GW store manager around here who once told a friend of mine the only good faction in warhammer fantasy was the vampire counts. True story, maybe this model is the ultimate evolution of them from blood thirsty evil to disney good guy ? He wasn't wrong all these years, they were simply an evil looking people with hearts of gold. Just look how happy the bats are to help ? A real Cinderella moment. Perhaps it has evil step sisters as well.
There have been plenty of Vampires in Warhammer who were if not good (usually) girls were less evil than many and often looked good doing it too.
When GW stores got their demo/shelf copy of The Two Towers rule book, staff had to black out an image of an Uruk Hai Berserker because of licensing requirements (it was fine to be in the book overall, but wasn’t to be shown off until a specific date). I don’t recall there being others, but given I was the bloke with the sharpie, I can guarantee the Berseker one for sure.
This can be to keep surprises for the show/film, as well as to try to head off pirating of designs as much as possible for all license holders.
Mouth of Sauron had rules in the Return of the King rulebook but they couldn't show pictures of the model until the Extended Edition was out as well I think.
The only solid info so far on these mounts is related to Phil Kelly's initial notes that each of the Aelementari Temples have a kind of 'home nation'.
Ymetrica is where the Alarith(Mountain) Temple originated from.
Zaitrec is where the Wind Temple has originated from and the mounts are desert/plains-dwelling creatures. From the army book, the 'patron spirit' is called "The Slicing Gale" as a bonus note.
Sarouan wrote: I guess the Soulblight Gravelords will be a new faction uniting the former Soulblights and certainly Deadwalkers / Deathmages. Maybe Deathrattle as well.
Basically, the new Legions of Nagash...
Yeah, looks like Vampire Counts are getting an AoS makeover.
From your lips to Nagash's ear... holes... thingies.
Do you come from a realm down under?
Where Aelves glow and Grots plunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear Sigmar's thunder?
You better run, you better take cover
I'd imagine so. Picture looks legit, the mace was in a recent rumor engine, etc. And since it's already in a clampack, it's not like it's going to be a Warhammer quest model that get's left without a faction once they inevitably rebox it. We've seen quite a few teases that hint at vampires and zombies coming, beyond things like Warhammer Underworld, so Soulblight are finally getting their due. Though, I'm surprised they stuck with soulblight. I don't mind the name, but they usually drop the original faction name they came up with
Isn't soulblight the AoS term for vampirism? A vampire is soul blighted(?) like a big green bloke is an Orruk.
I still maintain that soulblight would have been a better name for nighthaunt and vice versa.
Sarouan wrote: I guess the Soulblight Gravelords will be a new faction uniting the former Soulblights and certainly Deadwalkers / Deathmages. Maybe Deathrattle as well.
Basically, the new Legions of Nagash...
Yeah, looks like Vampire Counts are getting an AoS makeover.
From your lips to Nagash's ear... holes... thingies.
External acoustic meatuses if you want to get technical.
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm assuming the blocked out words there are "Soulblight Gravelords"
Or the name of a Mortarch. Invitations like that used to be to 'introduce' people to society, if I remember right?
I doubt they thought that hard about it.
You might be surprised at how hard the Community team thinks for stuff like that.
The bat icon looks like a faction symbol as well.
Agreed.
Plus Soulblight already have a couple of Mortarchs, not that I'd complain at seeing Abhorash.
There are two Mortarchs who happen to be Soulblight, yes. Neferata is the Mortarch of Blood and Mannfred is the Mortarch of Shadow. When Nighthaunt got introduced as their own faction, they received the Mortarch of Grief. That's what I'm thinking might happen here--a Mortarch that might be less 'Big Name' than the existing two Vampires.
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm assuming the blocked out words there are "Soulblight Gravelords"
I'm assuming the blocked out words are Warhammer Quest!
And 'Ulfenkarn' sounds like 'Wolfen Cairn' - Wolf Stone/Mound/Grave, a cool name of a castle where a band of adventurers would be invited to for a dinner ... By a vampire lord!!
So this seems to imply that the foot from a few rumor engines back is also a bat person, not a crypt ghoul. And yes, all the soulblight seem to have a habit of standing on terrain and rocks
So this seems to imply that the foot from a few rumor engines back is also a bat person, not a crypt ghoul. And yes, all the soulblight seem to have a habit of standing on terrain and rocks
This is a Rumor Engine bit. It's not necessarily related to Saturday...please keep it there. Thread's already getting crowded enough and we're only on Tuesday!
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Roos are highly territorial and swole as feth. They typically try to gut your gryph hounds with their back claws or try to drown them in water by holding their heads under water.
Welp, I think I found what the unnamed mount's inspired from.
Also, why are the Not-Kangaroos called tree runners? Most of the art we've seen for Lumineth has them in wheat fields and the only trees you see are bonsai. Sure, the realms are massive and have every imaginable environment, but I guess plainrunners was already copyrighted
It feels like those Lumineth minis have far too much going on with them both in terms of sculpt and posing. Plus, those kangaroos are awful.
The Vamp Lord could be okay, but the eavy metal paint job makes it look worse than it is. The lack of detail is actually nice for a change, no filigree out the wazoo. The bats need to go though, for as much as GW like to pride themselves on intricate sculpts, this isn't it.
Yeah. They're 'fantasy impractical' rather than 'utterly impractical,' so it works. Too busy for my personal taste, but the mounts are fine. There is sadly much worse in the Lumineth line.
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The vampire looks a lot better than the potato cam implied. The tactical rock is still a bit unnecessary, but the pose is better than it looked on potato cam (I thought the ankles were fused together in the blurred pic, and having a wider stance really helps).
Change the angle on the rock and it might look pretty good, to be honest.
The face isn't even bad, the painter just neglected to do anything but paint the eyes like the flesh, and that just doesn't work. The cheeks have more detail and depth than the eyes, and that's really bizarre from a painting perspective.
Bat hair is still silly, but I like the simplicity of the armor.
Not sure I believe the footnote that the model is supposed to be male.
Time to over-read the text
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So, while the vampire is a blister (from the potato-cam). I'm getting yet more heroquest vibes. Vampires vs Witchhunters, really think that's what's in store.
Blimey, that turned me around. That Vanari hero is absolutely gorgeous, and the treerunners are actually pretty decent.
Vampire Lord is a bit of a shame, armour looks incredibly flat when compared the established Von Carstein armour style. I suppose that's a strong case for the difference between Old World vampires and Nagash's lackeys? Definitely a solid base for further work, to be sure, but still a bit disappointing that's what Soulblight are getting as one of their clampack strategic battle rock heroes.
Very keen to see what's to come though, a plastic Vampire Lord is a huge leap closer to plastic Blood Knights
Same - looks she has gone a bit feral but still has time to have her bats do her hair - cos she is worth it ;0
I like that they are doing something other than horses as mounts.
"She" is actually a "He" if you read the GW footnote.
Hmm do you mean where it says
just take a look at this bloodsucking fiend, who answers to the title of Vampire Lord.
?
Male and female vampires are refered to as such in the game regardless of gender - otherwise not sure where you mean. I think they could pass for either really.
Yeah. They're 'fantasy impractical' rather than 'utterly impractical,' so it works. Too busy for my personal taste, but the mounts are fine. There is sadly much worse in the Lumineth line.
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The vampire looks a lot better than the potato cam implied. The tactical rock is still a bit unnecessary, but the pose is better than it looked on potato cam (I thought the ankles were fused together in the blurred pic, and having a wider stance really helps).
Change the angle on the rock and it might look pretty good, to be honest.
The face isn't even bad, the painter just neglected to do anything but paint the eyes like the flesh, and that just doesn't work. The cheeks have more detail and depth than the eyes, and that's really bizarre from a painting perspective.
Bat hair is still silly, but I like the simplicity of the armor.
Not sure I believe the footnote that the model is supposed to be male.
Time to over-read the text
What heroes will stand against this reborn evil? You might just find out on Saturday as we raise the stakes in our latest Warhammer Preview online.
So, while the vampire is a blister (from the potato-cam). I'm getting yet more heroquest vibes. Vampires vs Witchhunters, really think that's what's in store.
Not that I think it’s out of the question, Heroes sure, but how are you reading HQ from ‘stakes’ at all? Just seems a classic pun.
Also I assume you mean Warhammer Quest, as it definitely isn’t Heroquest.
Depends whether they want to double, well triple, down on vampires.
New faction, Underworlds, and a WH quest game.
I want to like the vampire but I can't. Maybe a better paint job would help, "blaze orange" isn't a colour one would typically associate with vampires.
just take a look at this bloodsucking fiend, who answers to the title of Vampire Lord.
?
Male and female vampires are refered to as such in the game regardless of gender - otherwise not sure where you mean. I think they could pass for either really.
Talon was likely referring to the footnote that was in the initial article drop, where there was an asterix that sent you to the bottom of the page where it talked about the vampire also answering to "Sir". That is now gone.
Not that I think it’s out of the question, Heroes sure, but how are you reading HQ from ‘stakes’ at all? Just seems a classic pun.
Stakes for Witch Hunters as the hero side of the WQ boxed set.
Also I assume you mean Warhammer Quest, as it definitely isn’t Heroquest.
Old, old habits. Heroquest, Advanced Heroquest and Warhammer Quest are all iterations of the same thing to me (though obviously with their own positives and negatives), and 'Heroquest' is the shortest version of the name, so that's what I use.
just take a look at this bloodsucking fiend, who answers to the title of Vampire Lord.
?
Male and female vampires are refered to as such in the game regardless of gender - otherwise not sure where you mean. I think they could pass for either really.
Talon was likely referring to the footnote that was in the initial article drop, where there was an asterix that sent you to the bottom of the page where it talked about the vampire also answering to "Sir". That is now gone.
Specifically that 'he' answers to sir (among other appellations).
Kind of interesting that they dropped it.
Lord Damocles wrote: 'I don't know, Bob, this vampire looks pretty good, but it's missing something, y'know? Perhaps I'll just perch him on a rock for no reason.'
Yea, that model is proof that quality sculpting won't survive poor composition.
That model is a mess, the bats in the hair, sure the sculptor could have intended on it materializing from them, but their is no transition from any of the bats, or any other part of the model. Nope, just random low resolution bats of equal size just scatter shot flying in all different directions BUT isolated to that spaghetti marinara on the vamps head.
Then the armor, while being very cool, is also just very line infantry, generic looking and for the life of me I don't know why they gave him Sorons mace lol. Too big and makes the armor look even more middle earth like.
Then we finally pan down and realize this dudes just kind of leaning off of a small but awkward rock for no reason. It's like it was his only option, and he reluctantly perched onto it to try and get his guys attention lol.
IDK, it's another technical accomplishment. But lousy presentation.
GaroRobe wrote: Something about the back of the calvary screams Eldar to me. That spine thing looks very Aspect Warriory
May as well go the whole hog and make them Exodites!
Swap for dino heads for the mounts?
Yeah! They do have a wacky retro pulp sci-fi vibe anyway, just switch the bows for some kind of raygun or even kroot rifles, heh ^^
I don't even think you'd need to swap the heads! Slap some shuriken catapults and some guardian bodies and you'd be onto something!
Thats a fun idea! I also agree no need to turn them into lizards. I feel people get far to stuck with the dino rider thing. I imagine them riding anything that happens to be on a particular world. Big feral cats and beasts sounds great!
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Heroquest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sincerely hope so. That would be too cool. Also this almost guarantees we will see that Vampire Hunter mini Saturday!
zamerion wrote: What heroes will stand against this reborn evil? You might just find out on Saturday as we raise the stakes in our latest Warhammer Preview online. Check out our preview of the preview for the lowdown on where and when.
Heroquest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sincerely hope so. That would be too cool. Also this almost guarantees we will see that Vampire Hunter mini Saturday!
Heroquest has Hasbro and they released a new Edition last Year
I usually don't complain about tactical rocks, but the vamp standing entirely on that little rock looks REALLY stupid. It doesn't even look possible the way the lord is leaning.
And those bats. . . yeesh.
Luckily this is all really easily fixed with clippers and removing the rock/bats.
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Heroquest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Probably the next setting for Warhammer Quest, as Blackstone Fortress is done.
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Heroquest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sincerely hope so. That would be too cool. Also this almost guarantees we will see that Vampire Hunter mini Saturday!
Heroquest has Hasbro and they released a new Edition last Year
Yes, I am aware. I assumed Zamerion was talking about a new Warhammer Quest, and I imagine that is what they were talking about.
Quasistellar wrote: I usually don't complain about tactical rocks, but the vamp standing entirely on that little rock looks REALLY stupid.
It's not the biggest tactical rock, it's possibly not the weirdest tactical rock, but it certainly is one of the worst offenders in terms of how silly it looks and how unnecessary it is.
Rest of the model looks... fine? Hair just as ugly as the low-res picture hinted at, no idea what they were thinking there. Armour could have done with some more detail - based on the Sisters of Battle, they have the capacity to do terrific intricate patterns, but these are really just flat panels. Even some simple fluted armour would have looked great here. Even the mace has more interesting patterns than the armour.
Not that I think it’s out of the question, Heroes sure, but how are you reading HQ from ‘stakes’ at all? Just seems a classic pun.
Stakes for Witch Hunters as the hero side of the WQ boxed set.
Also I assume you mean Warhammer Quest, as it definitely isn’t Heroquest.
Old, old habits. Heroquest, Advanced Heroquest and Warhammer Quest are all iterations of the same thing to me (though obviously with their own positives and negatives), and 'Heroquest' is the shortest version of the name, so that's what I use.
Yeah I got what it’d be, just wasn’t sure if the word linked back to the games to make you think of it. It’s been a long time since any of the old quest games etc.
To me, that’s like if they said “hats of to this guy” and thinking oh it’s a faction against vampires that wear headgear..
If they’d have said Questing to take out some blood drinkers, or something along the lines then I’d put more into the idea.
Hopefully you’re right, as it would be a good box potentially, I just didn’t see the link.
Same - looks she has gone a bit feral but still has time to have her bats do her hair - cos she is worth it ;0
I like that they are doing something other than horses as mounts.
"She" is actually a "He" if you read the GW footnote.
Hmm do you mean where it says
just take a look at this bloodsucking fiend, who answers to the title of Vampire Lord.
?
Male and female vampires are refered to as such in the game regardless of gender - otherwise not sure where you mean. I think they could pass for either really.
No, it literally says "He" at the bottom, in the footnote, as denoted by the Asterisk at the end of the line you quoted.
Which they have now removed.....
Gues too many people thought it was a woman and they didn't want to offend the sculptor.
It's amazing that GW even added bowstrings. With the Lumineth archers, I get it. Three bowstrings makes them unique, so you need to model it. But none of the Hedonites got bow strings. Its funny in the new underworld box, since it has one person with bow strings, one without
Same - looks she has gone a bit feral but still has time to have her bats do her hair - cos she is worth it ;0
I like that they are doing something other than horses as mounts.
"She" is actually a "He" if you read the GW footnote.
Hmm do you mean where it says
just take a look at this bloodsucking fiend, who answers to the title of Vampire Lord.
?
Male and female vampires are refered to as such in the game regardless of gender - otherwise not sure where you mean. I think they could pass for either really.
No, it literally says "He" at the bottom, in the footnote, as denoted by the Asterisk at the end of the line you quoted.
Which they have now removed.....
Gues too many people thought it was a woman and they didn't want to offend the sculptor.
Ahh well as you said they removed it so had not seen it - as I said the model is pretty androgynous which is cool.
SKR.HH wrote: Taking a closer look at the Vampire I just realized that this won't be Warhammer Underworlds model... as the base is not sculpted. Bullet dodged...
The original blurry picture clearly depicted clampack packaging, so it will indeed just be a separate character release.
SKR.HH wrote: Taking a closer look at the Vampire I just realized that this won't be Warhammer Underworlds model... as the base is not sculpted. Bullet dodged...
The original blurry picture clearly depicted clampack packaging, so it will indeed just be a separate character release.
Though having just bought the digital edition of the Sparkles book, I can’t say I’m entirely gruntled right now.
How've you managed to buy a digital Vampire army book recently, MDG?
I feel sorry for anyone trying to transport that HE hero - entire model attached to the base via one front leg?
Magnets. Can't be worse than dawncavalry banner, pikes, teclis, necron vehicles, seraphim, celestine etc etc
Yup, magnets and a reinforcement rod painted black where it's mostly hidden. I usually clip a length of metal coat hangar and run that up either through the base and into the belly or for this one I might try to drill a space into the lowest leg and put it there. Paint the rod black and hide most of it with grass tufts (depends on basing, of course). Glue a magnet or 2 to the base and store them on cookie sheets in a box, absolute bet way to store/transport models unless you plan to take them on a plane.
I'm really liking these new Lumineth. The archers still very much need a headswap, but that's easy and I have plenty of Eternal Guard heads left. They also have decidedly too many tassels everywhere, but those are easy to clip off. Leaps and bounds (hah!) better than the cowhat Lumineth! Actually, looking at that Vanari Lord, I'm really sad that the regular Vanari Dawnriders are riding horses instead of some kind of cat-antelope-ibek that the Lord gets
Though having just bought the digital edition of the Sparkles book, I can’t say I’m entirely gruntled right now.
How've you managed to buy a digital Vampire army book recently, MDG?
I feel sorry for anyone trying to transport that HE hero - entire model attached to the base via one front leg?
Magnets. Can't be worse than dawncavalry banner, pikes, teclis, necron vehicles, seraphim, celestine etc etc
Yup, magnets and a reinforcement rod painted black where it's mostly hidden. I usually clip a length of metal coat hangar and run that up either through the base and into the belly or for this one I might try to drill a space into the lowest leg and put it there. Paint the rod black and hide most of it with grass tufts (depends on basing, of course). Glue a magnet or 2 to the base and store them on cookie sheets in a box, absolute bet way to store/transport models unless you plan to take them on a plane.
I'm really liking these new Lumineth. The archers still very much need a headswap, but that's easy and I have plenty of Eternal Guard heads left. They also have decidedly too many tassels everywhere, but those are easy to clip off. Leaps and bounds (hah!) better than the cowhat Lumineth! Actually, looking at that Vanari Lord, I'm really sad that the regular Vanari Dawnriders are riding horses instead of some kind of cat-antelope-ibek that the Lord gets
That's too funny. I was just thinking how much I wish the lord was on a horse too. It sounds like it should be an easy thing to swap someone though. I may grab some extra dawnriders and see if I can trade the riders for archers.
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Now, I can't unhear the Lumineths with Australian accents. Thanks Nick.
Funnily enough, the new treerunners do resemble a lot of extinct marsupials, and also a bit of Tauntauns, and I also really like the new Vanari Lord Regent and his mount.
This is a very hyped release for pretty much everyone, but lets be honest, everyone willt to see the Vampire Counts come back, more if they come in proper form; not just Nagash lackeys.
Just gimme plastic Blood Knights already!
If they happen to be Vampirates instead, oh boy. OH. BOY. Imagine having the entire roster of their Total Warhammer DLC in sweet, glorious plastic. Imagine having Necrofex Colossi Imagine proxying Leviathans with actual dead crabs or lobsters while playing Crab Rave.
Whatever it is, we are all winning this time around.
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