Necromunda Ash Wastes revealed!

Norse Blood Bowl Team!
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Thondia: Season of War

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Fun times. Looking forward to disappointing news.

 Gert wrote:
Fun times. Looking forward to disappointing news.

Adepticon usually tends to be a kinda big one, so who knows?

Personally, I am not sure what to expect overall. We should see tomorrow the banner with the systems getting previews though!

(If I'm going to wishlist though, I'm hoping we'll see the Kasrkin announced)

Are the GW speakers at Adepticon or at home?

Because suddenly I'm looking forward to sleepy-at-2AM GW guys trying to be enthusiastic.

I was expecting / hoping for some previews of Necromunda Ash Wastes. Not sure if Specialist Games usually gets a mention but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Voss wrote:
Are the GW speakers at Adepticon or at home?

Because suddenly I'm looking forward to sleepy-at-2AM GW guys trying to be enthusiastic.

I'm assuming at Adepticon, but it might be from home?

The big thing to note is that this will likely be tied directly to the Adepticon seminar they usually do; so we might not actually get a "Preview Show" and instead just a slew of articles shotgunned at us.

That's absolutely fine, less trash to wade through, just pics and information.

The show just seems potentially hilarious if they're out-of-their-minds tired.

 Gert wrote:
Fun times. Looking forward to disappointing news.

That's always the safest way to go. My guess? They show the Tyranids codex and one new model, again. And, maybe, if we're rrreeaallly lucky........they'll show us the new Chaos Knight's foot. Probably the left one.

The one model will be a Primaris Lieutenant. Guarantee it.

Nevermind Heresy.

I want a proper Ash Wastes reveal.

El Torro wrote:
I was expecting / hoping for some previews of Necromunda Ash Wastes. Not sure if Specialist Games usually gets a mention but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Considering Ash Wastes got the teaser at the end of the last event, it's pretty much guaranteed to make an appearance at the next event. Especially if it's as big an occasion as Adepticon.

I'm looking forward to a two hour preview with around 15 minutes of actual content at best.

What has happened to specialist games lately? Seems they’ve nearly stopped previews and, baring the odd blood bowl pitch, nothing since jan :(

I expect to see that Blood Bowl Norse team revealed. They've already shown off the yhetee so I figure it's about time to see the rest.

 zedmeister wrote:
What has happened to specialist games lately? Seems they’ve nearly stopped previews and, baring the odd blood bowl pitch, nothing since jan :(

From what we've seen of Necromunda Ash Wastes it has a strong pipeline for this year.

An optimist might say that Aeronautica Imperialis and Adeptus Titanicus are gearing up for infantry and tanks in 6mm scale, at least 30K Space Marines vs Space Marines. We'll see if that ever materialises though.

But yeah, the rest is pretty quiet. Unless we consider Kill Team part of Specialist Games.

 Thargrim wrote:
I expect to see that Blood Bowl Norse team revealed. They've already shown off the yhetee so I figure it's about time to see the rest.

They showed off the Yhetee because someone got sent one by mistake.

But yeah, I think the Norse team will probably be seeing a preview. With no GAMA preview last week, I think the Adepticon one might be a bit heftier than usual.

Yes. Soon get to read more dakkawhine

CSM pls

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Fun times. Looking forward to disappointing news.

That's always the safest way to go. My guess? They show the Tyranids codex and one new model, again. And, maybe, if we're rrreeaallly lucky........they'll show us the new Chaos Knight's foot. Probably the left one.

Was going to make a joke about them showing off a wheel or mutated tentacle instead (to throw people off), and for some reason that reminded me that April Fools is coming up, and post Adepticon Preview its time to stop listening to rumors altogether.

I don't think they are going to show off anything Nid related. That's sort of old news at this point. They've shown off the Parasite and Codex already on Warcom.

I'm going to guess 40k wise it's probably going to show off the Chaos Knight and Chaos Knight codex. If we are really lucky, there may be a CSM sprinkled in somewhere.

Voss wrote:
Are the GW speakers at Adepticon or at home?

Because suddenly I'm looking forward to sleepy-at-2AM GW guys trying to be enthusiastic.

Given that there's a big room booked and tickets were up for the GW Preview at Adepticon, I'm thinking it will be live from there... Would be weird if they made folks in the UK telepresence for the room at the con.

Shocking amount of Cursed City
Brief mention of Tyranid codex

I hope everyone get's a look at something that is important to them, or at least as many of the games and units as possible.

Personally, I want to see news about expansions (Heroes and Villain's, hopefully new tiles) for Cursed City. My mates and I have been running a game every day since Friday and we're having such a blast with it. Adeptus Titanicus as well, new models or books! Expanded Epic would be great!
Secondary for me would be to see some Guard reveals or Chaos stuff.

Unfortunately from the recent announcement it doesn’t sound like we will get any Cursed City expansions until later in the year when the base game returns as a regular stock item rather than just a made to order.

I expect it'll be the same as every other preview: One thing for each of the chosen game systems, and that's it.

I doubt it'll be Tyranids - that'd be a real kick in the teeth if it is - so I'm guessing Chaos or Chaos Knights.

We might get Ash Wastes, or HH. I doubt both.

 Valander wrote:

Voss wrote:
Are the GW speakers at Adepticon or at home?

Because suddenly I'm looking forward to sleepy-at-2AM GW guys trying to be enthusiastic.

Given that there's a big room booked and tickets were up for the GW Preview at Adepticon, I'm thinking it will be live from there... Would be weird if they made folks in the UK telepresence for the room at the con.

/shrug
I no longer have a sense for what's 'weird' or 'normal' when it comes to mass events. Zoom still happens.

Have they said what games are getting stuff previewed? Maybe I missed a WarCom article at some point where they said?

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Have they said what games are getting stuff previewed? Maybe I missed a WarCom article at some point where they said?

That should be up later today.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I expect it'll be the same as every other preview: One thing for each of the chosen game systems, and that's it.

I doubt it'll be Tyranids - that'd be a real kick in the teeth if it is - so I'm guessing Chaos or Chaos Knights.

We might get Ash Wastes, or HH. I doubt both.

Probably Chaos Knights, as they were part of the New Year tease and have been in the rumour engine.

What I expect for Adepticon:

>2 Miniatures from Necromunda Ashwaste
>1 New Model for 40k
>1 New Model for AoS
>Nothing saying Teaser for Adeptus Titanicus (which introduces Airplanes to AT)
>Nothing saying Teaser for Horus Heresy

I'm personally expecting them to go all in on ash wastes. We know it's meant to be soon as we have the Necro coin from the stores that was meant to be for April. So presumably it's an April release.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm personally expecting them to go all in on ash wastes. We know it's meant to be soon as we have the Necro coin from the stores that was meant to be for April. So presumably it's an April release.

It's really hard to gauge where they should be at any more, there's not really any metric to base it off. We know the 40k side is somewhere between on-time looking at the Eldar wave coming out and woefully behind given nids are stuck in some weird tease but out in peoples hands limbo and by all accounts it looks like Chaos Marines and Knights are much further off their radar than it would seem was planned.

Too early for full on Ash Wastes, we only had a no-models teaser so far. Might see a more revealing cinematic and maybe one full mini.

I'll just quietly cross my fingers for a Defence of the North release date announcement for LotR.

Or failing that, anything Chaos related.

Yknow how ever time they do one of these preview things, in the leadup to it they will post random images on socials, usually with a number indicating the countdown/number of days to the reveal? And then you guys will convince yourselves and everyone else that theres gonna be a big preview about something that you're really excited about and get all this hype going... and then the preview comes and we're all disappointed because they didn't show off anything even remotely to do with what you interpreted the hype-posting to mean?

Yeah, stop that. Lets not do that.

Look you, Squats are coming.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too early for full on Ash Wastes, we only had a no-models teaser so far. Might see a more revealing cinematic and maybe one full mini.

I'd hope for a bit more. We know they should have some models fully ready, as the old vehicle rumor engines match the animated trailer they first teased Ash Wastes with. If nothing else, they could show off that in all its glory

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yknow how ever time they do one of these preview things, in the leadup to it they will post random images on socials, usually with a number indicating the countdown/number of days to the reveal? And then you guys will convince yourselves and everyone else that theres gonna be a big preview about something that you're really excited about and get all this hype going... and then the preview comes and we're all disappointed because they didn't show off anything even remotely to do with what you interpreted the hype-posting to mean?

Yeah, stop that. Lets not do that.

But it was 100% Emperor's children in Eldritch Omens. Amirite?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yknow how ever time they do one of these preview things, in the leadup to it they will post random images on socials, usually with a number indicating the countdown/number of days to the reveal? And then you guys will convince yourselves and everyone else that theres gonna be a big preview about something that you're really excited about and get all this hype going... and then the preview comes and we're all disappointed because they didn't show off anything even remotely to do with what you interpreted the hype-posting to mean?

Yeah, stop that. Lets not do that.

Naah the post-reveal whining and crying is best part of previews. Don't go ruining it.

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I'm going to try really hard to expect nothing this time around... maybe I won't be disappointed then!

That being said, I think Necromunda being a bigger Ash Wastes preview is a given, is there anything else in the pipe that it could be other than that?

tneva82 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yknow how ever time they do one of these preview things, in the leadup to it they will post random images on socials, usually with a number indicating the countdown/number of days to the reveal? And then you guys will convince yourselves and everyone else that theres gonna be a big preview about something that you're really excited about and get all this hype going... and then the preview comes and we're all disappointed because they didn't show off anything even remotely to do with what you interpreted the hype-posting to mean?

Yeah, stop that. Lets not do that.

Naah the post-reveal whining and crying is best part of previews. Don't go ruining it.

*spends several days hunting all available leaks & rumours, and theorising every possible reveal *

"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

I would imagine maybe 1-2 Horus Heresy characters and either an Ash Wastes preview or the release of a random Necromunda character.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too early for full on Ash Wastes...

Why?

I think they'll show off the new starter.

 xttz wrote:
"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Yeah. 'Cause that's why GW previews suck...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Look you, Squats are coming.

I'd love them to start teasing them but I reckon they are a long way off, maybe towards the end of the year and maybe as a Killteam initially.

No killteam in this preview though , guessing 40k will be the Chaos stuff, maybe a hint of guard and probably Heresy? Looking forward to seeing what's next for Underworlds- think its the Necromancer and pals.
I'm guessing the supply/shipping issues they are having will restrict what they show - the release stream seems to be a bit slow at the moment- 3 months in and only one proper army release for all systems?
Maybe things will pick up as they head into Spring.

I know it is marketing-speak, but GW is setting the bar here by saying that there "will be a fair few earthshattering reveals".

I'm probably going to avoid this thread until Thursday morning, then come back and see if they came anywhere near close to living up to that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Yeah. 'Cause that's why GW previews suck...

Even I only expect news on what we were given info on last (Which is still too much, if we let the radio silence we got on the new chaos knight speak)

Expectation management is the name of the game. There are going to be fewer reveals then we’d like, they are not going to be as earthshaking as they are hyped, and most for factions/games that we individually don’t play. And some will be things we already know.

But there will be some interesting stuff, even if not relevant to me. Take what you like, and disregard the rest.

If you go in expecting the stars and moon, you are going to be sad/angry. Especially if you stayed up late for it.

Come on Lumineth Battletome 3.0, daddy needs his annual update

The new Horus Heresy logo shown here has me getting my hopes up for some NUBEAKIES!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too early for full on Ash Wastes...

Why?

I think they'll show off the new starter.

 xttz wrote:
"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Yeah. 'Cause that's why GW previews suck...

Given things I feel more like they'll show off concept art, but if they show off the starter I'll be quite pleased.

 xttz wrote:

*spends several days hunting all available leaks & rumours, and theorising every possible reveal *

"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Or like LVO, where someone leaked the Avatar the night before the seminar.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 xttz wrote:

*spends several days hunting all available leaks & rumours, and theorising every possible reveal *

"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Or like LVO, where someone leaked the Avatar the night before the seminar.

I think folks were probably expecting a bit more of a range refresh on the Eldar stuff as well.

diepotato47 wrote:
Come on Lumineth Battletome 3.0, daddy needs his annual update

They won't show fall/winter releases yet. Lumineth is fall earliest and odds are wd update next.

Sylvaneth/skaven summer. Leaves lumineth, slaanesh, tzeentch, fec, gloomspite, ogor left. Order and chaos are most likely candinates for wd, the remaining 3 could fit second half books giving every faction some form of update this year.

Underworlds - probably that new techno zombies.
HH - probably just a new rulebook.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Underworlds - probably that new techno zombies.
HH - probably just a new rulebook.

And Blood Bowl is likely the Norse.

Really only excited for the Blood Bowl previews.

Underworlds is pretty dead to me with the latest Tome of Champions for Warcry, and overall Warcry is in a pretty good spot... so don't really want them to dork with it too much.

 Sasori wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 xttz wrote:

*spends several days hunting all available leaks & rumours, and theorising every possible reveal *

"GW this was so underwhelming there were barely any surprises at all!"

Or like LVO, where someone leaked the Avatar the night before the seminar.

I think folks were probably expecting a bit more of a range refresh on the Eldar stuff as well.

I don't know why.

A. What we got was very significant.
B. We were told by the leakers as far back as November that it wasn't going to be a full line refresh al a Necrons.
C. Nothing in the December leaks hinted at a full line refresh.

As a person who's been interested in Eldar from the beginning, I never expected more than what we got and to be honest I didn't even expect the new Autarch or Shining Spears, or even the new sniper bikes. So for me it was a lot more than I expected!

Bit of wishful thinking but a new Harlequin model would be nice. Seriously, GW, our last Harlie was given to Sisters of Battle players. And no, Cegorach was not amused...

Imperial / Chaos Knights, or Tyranids & Imperial Guard. Lets face it, one player wants to shout "BUGS!" while the other shrieks like an idiot, pretending to be a Mantis...

Necromunda, The Horus Heresy and Blood Bowl...dunno. I hope its something nice for the players involved.

Underworlds? Hmmmm...something about Zombies a while back.

No idea for Age of Sigmar but I'm happy with Nighthaunts on the way.

Last minute teaser for a new print run of Space Hulk.

No Titanicus? Yeah, glad I moved on from that one...

Ash Wastes is now a given, considering they previewed a mini from the box on Warcom just now.

 Dysartes wrote:
I know it is marketing-speak, but GW is setting the bar here by saying that there "will be a fair few earthshattering reveals".

I'm probably going to avoid this thread until Thursday morning, then come back and see if they came anywhere near close to living up to that.

GW always "sets the bar" by claiming that each preview will be their biggest ever, etc. Its just standard hype-mongering, don't overthink it.

Aeneades wrote:
Unfortunately from the recent announcement it doesn’t sound like we will get any Cursed City expansions until later in the year when the base game returns as a regular stock item rather than just a made to order.

We may not get them until the Fall, but they can tease them anytime they like.

Sounds like we might see Imperial Knights at Adepticon as well.

You are Cordially Invited to Witness the Ritual of Becoming - WarCom

Maybe we’ll catch a glimpse of these magnificent behemoths at AdeptiCon later this week? You’ll have to join us to find out…

So, Imperial Knights?

Maybe it's just another armouring video.

Or ritual could have a double meaning, and its actually the reveal of the new chaos knights

beast_gts wrote:
You are Cordially Invited to Witness the Ritual of Becoming - WarCom

Maybe we’ll catch a glimpse of these magnificent behemoths at AdeptiCon later this week? You’ll have to join us to find out…

So, Imperial Knights?

Codex most likely.

Also warcom article　regarding knights so maybe they of both variety coming together soon?

Edit: slow

beast_gts wrote:
You are Cordially Invited to Witness the Ritual of Becoming - WarCom

Becoming what, broke?

Really wouldn't hate a new double box with 2 knights, missed both of the previous Renegade boxed sets and now they'll have an actual chaos knight to include, sooo ...

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Really wouldn't hate a new double box with 2 knights, missed both of the previous Renegade boxed sets and now they'll have an actual chaos knight to include, sooo ...

Ritual of Becoming sounds like it could be that. But you have to be careful there, these days GW actually has distinct Chaos and Imperial Knight models and you might only get a battle box with two different factions like any other instead of a generic box like Renegade. Would still work for Chaos, of course, but not so much for Imperial players.

A new Armiger kit would be super awesome right now.

One of our favourite Reddit codex leakers says no new models for IK, just a codex. They previously said Chaos Knights were getting both a new War Dog and Questoris option.

I find it odd that we aren't hearing more about CSM?

We have the leaks, but in terms of official content, I think all we've seen is the Chosen from the 40k box and the Legionnaires from the KT box.

I was surprised when Nids seemed to cut in front of Chaos, I think I remember someone saying a while ago that Knights and Chaos Knights might come before CSM, so it isn't surprising... but it still feels weird. Like: "Hey everyone, you can buy these boxes with CSM models in them... But you'll have to wait for three more dexes to go by before you find out what the CSM army as a whole actually looks like. Feels like a marketing screw up.

Either way though, it does look like Knights for 40k and Ash Nomads for Necromunda at minimum.

PenitentJake wrote:
I find it odd that we aren't hearing more about CSM?

We have the leaks, but in terms of official content, I think all we've seen is the Chosen from the 40k box and the Legionnaires from the KT box.

I was surprised when Nids seemed to cut in front of Chaos, I think I remember someone saying a while ago that Knights and Chaos Knights might come before CSM, so it isn't surprising... but it still feels weird. Like: "Hey everyone, you can buy these boxes with CSM models in them... But you'll have to wait for three more dexes to go by before you find out what the CSM army as a whole actually looks like. Feels like a marketing screw up.

Either way though, it does look like Knights for 40k and Ash Nomads for Necromunda at minimum.

We have a rough idea what new models are coming from rumours. Unfortunately no photo leaks yet.

Most likely CSM are being kept back because they're part of a big Shadowspear-style summer boxed set with regular marines.

Are they.... telling us what they're previewing this week pr something? Ash waste nomad mini and knights mentioned/shown. They could easily have not shown those and been a bigger surprise at the reveal.

The seem to want to actively sabotage themselves?

My guess is that there was some delay in some of the new model production for Chaos and that the book is already done, as was the Nids book. Because of that they probably decided to push the Nids book out ahead of Chaos because there is only one new kit (that they presumably have everything taken care of with) and the new book.

As far as the preview goes I know we will be saying the rest of the Frankenstein Underworlds band, and probably some more Ash Wastes stuff, but beyond that I have no idea. To be honest I haven’t really been following GW that closely lately, as I’m kind of burnt out with them.

 Geifer wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
Really wouldn't hate a new double box with 2 knights, missed both of the previous Renegade boxed sets and now they'll have an actual chaos knight to include, sooo ...

Ritual of Becoming sounds like it could be that. But you have to be careful there, these days GW actually has distinct Chaos and Imperial Knight models and you might only get a battle box with two different factions like any other instead of a generic box like Renegade. Would still work for Chaos, of course, but not so much for Imperial players.

I'm sure gw introduces law forbidding swapping chaos knight to imperial knight between players.

I wonder if this will also mean new Knight types...

 Malika2 wrote:
I wonder if this will also mean new Knight types...

The only mention I've seen is of a new War Dog and Questoris for Chaos. Imperials get nothing new.

For an Adepticon reveal, not having a model seems….odd and unusual.

Not out of the realms of possibility. Just…a waste of a slot.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For an Adepticon reveal, not having a model seems….odd and unusual.

Not out of the realms of possibility. Just…a waste of a slot.

I can only assume the reveal will be "knight codex next..... AND CHAOS KNIGHTS!!!!! Surprise!!!!! tumbleweed Oh. Here's some new kits."

I vaguely hope that despite passively aggressively not admitting there isn't enough content for either book, they just fold and put together a Knights Codex and just have chaos and imperial subfactions inside.

Wasn't there literally a big ol' obvious Chaos Knight miniature in the trailer, way back when?

Remember, GW usually does one thing per game system (and "one thing" in this context can mean a new model and the Codex coming with it).

We can hold out hope that their Knight reveal includes Imperial and Chaos Knights, just because otherwise the reveal with be Imperial Knights with no new models, and that's a bit of a damp squib.

Of course no Chaos/Guard, 'cause that's silly. Maybe a silly teaser for one of them at the end of the show.

It'd be amazing if the Necromunda preview were the Ash Wastes, and then a "We'll show you the other half of the box later in the year!". Certainly wouldn't put that past them.

Truthfully, all I want from this whole thing is the names of the next 2-3 factions or major product releases for each product line they've listed, and roughly the month they're happening in. They can toss in some pictures of models if they want.


That's it. And it feels bad that I know that's unrealistic.

Wonder if we'll get the Skaven vs Sylvan box that's been rumoured? And preferably a range redo announcement for the rats.

Rats vs Trees?

Gasp! That could be just the ticket, Gideon.

I’m interested in what ash waste terrain they planning on making.

New ashwastes terrain would be cool. I'd be very surprised if there's an appreciable amount though, given how much terrain there already is, plus the new stuff we know is coming, plus the perfectly serviceable new terrain they've discontinued.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, all I want from this whole thing is the names of the next 2-3 factions or major product releases for each product line they've listed, and roughly the month they're happening in. They can toss in some pictures of models if they want.


That's it. And it feels bad that I know that's unrealistic.

I'll go one further... literally just a list of approximate order of codices (i.e., the current predicted release order). *Silently holds the line while cradling a lasgun and crying*

(In all honesty, I know knights really needed a codex so I'm not that put off. I know CSM is fairly popular and the non-40k stuff is also important so I'll just assume guard is last...just hoping it's not stupidly broken or instantly bottom tier the second 10th comes out...oh, and that it doesn't force you to take a named regiment to have any hope of a win)

JWBS wrote:
New ashwastes terrain would be cool. I'd be very surprised if there's an appreciable amount though, given how much terrain there already is, plus the new stuff we know is coming, plus the perfectly serviceable new terrain they've discontinued.

I'd love to see some ashwastes terrain. Not just more imperial pipes, buildings and/or ruins. But actual terrain.

Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:
New ashwastes terrain would be cool. I'd be very surprised if there's an appreciable amount though, given how much terrain there already is, plus the new stuff we know is coming, plus the perfectly serviceable new terrain they've discontinued.

I'd love to see some ashwastes terrain. Not just more imperial pipes, buildings and/or ruins. But actual terrain.

Rocky spires and such are pretty well covered by battlefield in a box or the average to large pet store.

Some sort of hovel/shanty kits that are compatible with the Octarius Ork terrain (just without the specifically orky bits) would be amazing.

Yeah I dunno if we want big plastic non-modular dunes. Or even modular dunes.

I think the terrain will end up being more Ash Wastes outpost/stronghold/settlement-y. A long-abandoned water or fuel station. Remnants of a shanty town. That sort of thing.

I also wonder if the format of the terrain will be more like this (good! ) or more like this (very bad! ).

I'm fully prepared for them to reveal one thing that they'll manage to release in good order over the next month or so, and teasers for a bunch of things that won't see the light of day for another 6 months due to shipping and printing delays.

Let the knight leaks commence!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/tjxiyj/heavy_chivalric_breathing_potential_leakfake/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Dudeface wrote:
Let the knight leaks commence!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/tjxiyj/heavy_chivalric_breathing_potential_leakfake/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

If Knights come out before CSM I'm pretty sure a chunk of this forum is going to birth live kittens.

A lot of us are pretty sure that Chaos aren't next.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A lot of us are pretty sure that Chaos aren't next.

Considering the shenanigans of people trying to imply the CSM were clearly before Tyranids when they literally said Tyranids were right afterwards....

A lot of us are pretty sure, but a chunk are still preparing to live-birth those kittens.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A lot of us are pretty sure that Chaos aren't next.

Considering the shenanigans of people trying to imply the CSM were clearly before Tyranids when they literally said Tyranids were right afterwards....

A lot of us are pretty sure, but a chunk are still preparing to live-birth those kittens.

I knew it ! (And those who followed that one dude who leaked it on reddit)

All I'm going to expect out of the preview is for a portion of the community to be mad. Other than that I have no expectations.

Could Chaos Marines be bundled together with Chaos Daemons, sharing the same codex? And Imperial Knights with Chaos Knights?

SamusDrake wrote:
Could Chaos Marines be bundled together with Chaos Daemons, sharing the same codex? And Imperial Knights with Chaos Knights?

Both would be a dream, but... I doubt it.

Only reason I'm not 100% certain is Codex Craftworlds became 'the Random Book of Elves, except dark. (And Exodites, because people want those so we just won't)'

SamusDrake wrote:
Could Chaos Marines be bundled together with Chaos Daemons, sharing the same codex? And Imperial Knights with Chaos Knights?

No not daemons but according to some older rumors we will get the canibalised Lost and the damned in it.

Daemons are way further out. You guys will just have to trust me on this one, but I know for a fact you have a LONG wait for the new Daemon stuff. Like, well after Christmas, without being too specific.

Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

So, highly plausible, then?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

So, highly plausible, then?

That's not wrong, but at this point I feel like they want to be done with this as much as we do.
With Imp Knights suddenly jumping into the queue established by the rumors that have borne out, They could have 3 of those 5 out by the end of April. (Knights are inherently small releases, ironically). Dragging their feet on Guard and Daemons just feels... pointless and bad for GW.

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

We're likely looking at:

Q2:
Tyranids
Imperial / Chaos Knights
Q2/3
Chaos Marines
Regular Marines v2.0 boxset boogaloo
Regular Marines supplements and biggified characters
Q3/4
Imperial Guard
World Eaters

Which leaves one book left from 8th. I could believe a nostalgic return to Codex: Chaos that combines Daemons and LatD with a bunch of callbacks to weird 90's things

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

So, highly plausible, then?

That's not wrong, but at this point I feel like they want to be done with this as much as we do.
With Imp Knights suddenly jumping into the queue established by the rumors that have borne out, They could have 3 of those 5 out by the end of April. (Knights are inherently small releases, ironically). Dragging their feet on Guard and Daemons just feels... pointless and bad for GW.

Yeah, they may want to , but the current global logistics/shipping issues might make that difficult for them. I don't think everything is going "according to plan", right now.

Oh man, living in a world that Space Marines would get a 2nd book before Guard gets their first one…..what a joke.

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

That doesn't seem unrealistic to me given the pace of releases lately. Tyranids and all Knights in April, Chaos Marines as a larger model update in May, Horus Heresy in July and possibly into August. What about those rumors of a new Marine codex? Do we still expect that? That would easily fill September. Then put Guard in November with a larger model update as well. Reserve June and October for something substantial for AoS and December for Christmas boxes. Specialist Games stuff and random DLCs go in between and that's the year accounted for, without even worrying about what happens to World Eaters or a potential Squat release.

You could fit Daemons in there as a plain book release, since they all or almost all plastic and will likely not get any new models. So yeah, agreed, wouldn't make GW look good if a book was all they got and still didn't come this year.

 Geifer wrote:


That doesn't seem unrealistic to me given the pace of releases lately. Tyranids and all Knights in April, Chaos Marines as a larger model update in May, Horus Heresy in July and possibly into August. What about those rumors of a new Marine codex? Do we still expect that? That would easily fill September. Then put Guard in November with a larger model update as well. Reserve June and October for something substantial for AoS and December for Christmas boxes. Specialist Games stuff and random DLCs go in between and that's the year accounted for, without even worrying about what happens to World Eaters or a potential Squat release.

You could fit Daemons in there as a plain book release, since they all or almost all plastic and will likely not get any new models. So yeah, agreed, wouldn't make GW look good if a book was all they got and still didn't come this year.

Is the expectation that squats are going to get a separate codex rather than just appearing in the guard codex in a capacity similar to the tempestus (where they get their own selectable keyword)? Looking at the fluff on the 40k wiki, that seems completely doable to me, but I'm sure there are folks here with far better insight into how GW might handle this than I.

To the best of my knowledge right now we have "Squats are happening" from a very reliable leaker. Which is no guarantee of it happening, mind. It's still a rumor. We don't know if that means Squats for 40k or Kill Team or both.

I don't think we have any way of answering how GW would handle such a release with any accuracy. Genestealers, when they came back, were treated as a fully autonomous faction rather than an addition to Tyranids. The same leaker said we'd get mortal Chaos followers and it looks like they will be an addition to Chaos Marine codex even though the Lost and the Damned have been standalone before. GW has gone back and forth on splitting off and consolidating factions like Harlequins. And at the same time Marines and Harlequins experience consolidation, World Eaters follow the example of Thousand Sons and Death Guard and are spun off into their own codex. All of which is to say, there is no pattern we could reasonably rely on to predict GW's choice (if Squats do come back).

Necromunda, Warhammer Underworlds and Warhammer 40k previews are not hard to guess. If Ash Wastes ends up being a full boxed set reveal, I don't think we are going to see Horus Heresy box yet (although zero information teaser trailer is plausible). Yeti would hint at BloodBowl Norse release but it might as well be another team instead. Age of Sigmar has potential for a "did not see that coming" preview but I would be happy with Jabberslythe and/or Dragon Ogre Shaggoth reveal.

I can't wait for nothing for Guard

 BlackoCatto wrote:
I can't wait for nothing for Guard

I think we're looking at:

40k - Knights/Chaos Knights
Worst case - Just Knights, not even Chaos Knights.
Worst worst case - Previewing Tyranids.

Necromunda - Ash Wastes reveal.
Worst case - Just the Ash Waste Nomads. Nothing else. "We can't wait to show you the rest of the box later in the year!".

Underwords - FrankenUndead Warband.
Worst case - Nothing. They generally only show one thing for each game system, and this is the next thing. They're basically showing us something that we already know about, just in more detail. I can't imagine them showing less.

AoS - Rats/Tree Elf or Beastmen/Tree Elf battle box. Announcing their new books.
Worst case - A preview of one mini from this set and a dumb trailer. "We can't wait to show you the rest of the box later in the year!"

Blood Bowl - Norse team. Perhaps expansion box teams for Dungeon Bowl (boxes with no new models, but combos of sprues for different teams).
Worst case - The FW thing that leaked a while back, and that's it.

Horus Heresy - The new Horus Heresy edition/boxed set.
Worst case - That Black Legion mini that leaked a while back, and that's it.

Horus Heresy - The new Horus Heresy edition/boxed set.
Worst case - That Black Legion mini that leaked a while back, and that's it.

The whosit whatnow? I remember the powerfist Sons of Horus Praetor being mispacked and sent to somebody who asked for Maloghurst but that's out now and in my hand. Did I miss a leak?

Rihgu wrote:
The whosit whatnow? I remember the powerfist Sons of Horus Praetor being mispacked and sent to somebody who asked for Maloghurst but that's out now and in my hand. Did I miss a leak?

You're right, actually. This guy. I thought he wasn't out yet.

And cue me looking for "Black Legion" on FW's website before I remembered that they didn't exist until after the Heresy.

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

Well rumour is after summer 2 books no more aos books this year. Maybe gw is having worse production :ssues than thought.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
The whosit whatnow? I remember the powerfist Sons of Horus Praetor being mispacked and sent to somebody who asked for Maloghurst but that's out now and in my hand. Did I miss a leak?

You're right, actually. This guy. I thought he wasn't out yet.

And cue me looking for "Black Legion" on FW's website before I remembered that they didn't exist until after the Heresy.

There’s still plenty of legions missing Praetor models they can show instead of anything to do with the box

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

Well rumour is after summer 2 books no more aos books this year. Maybe gw is having worse production :ssues than thought.

Looks like they're focused on clearing the 40k content backlog in time for 10th edition next year, and most other things have to wait.

It also wouldn't surprise me if many 40k factions are outselling AOS currently after last year's starter box.

Just imagine how great it would be if they introduced a Xenos race in to Adeptus Titanicus, Orks or Eldar would fit the 30K timeline.

No, 30K is for grown ups. The prols just can’t appreciate all the hot Marine on Marine action.

Obvious bait is obvious

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

Well rumour is after summer 2 books no more aos books this year. Maybe gw is having worse production :ssues than thought.

If I recall that rumor started as a side bit/comment from Rob on Honest Wargamer and has no actual rumor behind it.

 xttz wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

We're likely looking at:

Q2:
Tyranids
Imperial / Chaos Knights
Q2/3
Chaos Marines
Regular Marines v2.0 boxset boogaloo
Regular Marines supplements and biggified characters
Q3/4
Imperial Guard
World Eaters

Which leaves one book left from 8th. I could believe a nostalgic return to Codex: Chaos that combines Daemons and LatD with a bunch of callbacks to weird 90's things

What does that leave them to release next year though? Deamons and? 10th is rumoured to come next year so they might use the space to release campaign books to set it up. Aren't we due another Warzone thing? I'm kind of surprised there is no Killteam in the line up for that reason as well.

On the Squats thing- from the rumour chatter I think they will come out as a killteam first and then an independent faction later. Maybe at the end of the year for Killteam but probably next year. But I'd love them to start sneak peeks soon - maybe a bit like Sisters to give them a good build up as they've been gone from the setting so long. But I won't hold my breath. I think the release schedule is screwed up a bit for them with all the global issues at them moment- hence the eldar release stretching out sooo long.

 silverstu wrote:

What does that leave them to release next year though? Deamons and? 10th is rumoured to come next year so they might use the space to release campaign books to set it up. Aren't we due another Warzone thing? I'm kind of surprised there is no Killteam in the line up for that reason as well.

On the Squats thing- from the rumour chatter I think they will come out as a killteam first and then an independent faction later. Maybe at the end of the year for Killteam but probably next year. But I'd love them to start sneak peeks soon - maybe a bit like Sisters to give them a good build up as they've been gone from the setting so long. But I won't hold my breath. I think the release schedule is screwed up a bit for them with all the global issues at them moment- hence the eldar release stretching out sooo long.

There were rumours of a follow-up wave with a few more Eldar kits, which I could see being tied into another Psychic Awakening project building up to the next edition.

Honestly aside from Daemons I wouldn't be surprised if the first half of 2023 had only a minimal amount of 40k releases, until 10th shows up. Perhaps a few existing units or characters get updated alongside some supplements. Instead they focus more on other games for a few months.

 stonehorse wrote:
Just imagine how great it would be if they introduced a Xenos race in to Adeptus Titanicus, Orks or Eldar would fit the 30K timeline.

They've said they'd 'change' the setting to introducing Xenos - a "War of the Beast" expansion adding Orks was their example.

 Geifer wrote:
To the best of my knowledge right now we have "Squats are happening" from a very reliable leaker. Which is no guarantee of it happening, mind. It's still a rumor. We don't know if that means Squats for 40k or Kill Team or both.
I don't think we have any way of answering how GW would handle such a release with any accuracy. Genestealers, when they came back, were treated as a fully autonomous faction rather than an addition to Tyranids. The same leaker said we'd get mortal Chaos followers and it looks like they will be an addition to Chaos Marine codex even though the Lost and the Damned have been standalone before. GW has gone back and forth on splitting off and consolidating factions like Harlequins. And at the same time Marines and Harlequins experience consolidation, World Eaters follow the example of Thousand Sons and Death Guard and are spun off into their own codex. All of which is to say, there is no pattern we could reasonably rely on to predict GW's choice (if Squats do come back).

There might not be a pattern but there is logic to it. It seems GW is making these decisions with an eye towards what they can support with a large enough model range to constitute a full on standalone faction that they can balance around having a variety of units available. Harlequins were likely folded because they have a very limited model range and weren't going to be giving any release slots to expand out anytime soon. I imagine that GWs intent is to "incubate" subfactions within larger factions to the point that they can be grown and split off as separate standalone faction. Harlequins, Ynnari, and Corsairs might be part of Craftworlds for a few editions, but down the line one or more of them may receive a half dozen new kits and the entire subfaction will be spun off as a new standalone codex, for example.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
I can't wait for nothing for Guard

I think we're looking at:
40k - Knights/Chaos Knights
Worst case - Just Knights, not even Chaos Knights.
Worst worst case - Previewing Tyranids.
Necromunda - Ash Wastes reveal.
Worst case - Just the Ash Waste Nomads. Nothing else. "We can't wait to show you the rest of the box later in the year!".
Underwords - FrankenUndead Warband.
Worst case - Nothing. They generally only show one thing for each game system, and this is the next thing. They're basically showing us something that we already know about, just in more detail. I can't imagine them showing less.
AoS - Rats/Tree Elf or Beastmen/Tree Elf battle box. Announcing their new books.
Worst case - A preview of one mini from this set and a dumb trailer. "We can't wait to show you the rest of the box later in the year!"
Blood Bowl - Norse team. Perhaps expansion box teams for Dungeon Bowl (boxes with no new models, but combos of sprues for different teams).
Worst case - The FW thing that leaked a while back, and that's it.
Horus Heresy - The new Horus Heresy edition/boxed set.
Worst case - That Black Legion mini that leaked a while back, and that's it.

This is the most sober prediction I have seen in one of these preview threads in a long time. Agreed.

 Eldarsif wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Five books (there just aren't many left- Knights, Knights, Spiky Marines, Guard, Demons) over 8+ months? That'd be a terrible decision on GW's part.

Well rumour is after summer 2 books no more aos books this year. Maybe gw is having worse production :ssues than thought.

If I recall that rumor started as a side bit/comment from Rob on Honest Wargamer and has no actual rumor behind it.

So not only is it completely unsubstantiated, but evidently was due to someone looking at GWs typically limited preview window and going "well, nothing was mentioned past this point in the future, so clearly nothing must exist there"?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS - Rats/Tree Elf or Beastmen/Tree Elf battle box. Announcing their new books.

Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

beast_gts wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Just imagine how great it would be if they introduced a Xenos race in to Adeptus Titanicus, Orks or Eldar would fit the 30K timeline.

They've said they'd 'change' the setting to introducing Xenos - a "War of the Beast" expansion adding Orks was their example.

Before this ever happen we get Epic and Gothic back.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS - Rats/Tree Elf or Beastmen/Tree Elf battle box. Announcing their new books.

Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

Generally agreed, however eventually they will have to "cut over" from factions that have got WD updates to receiving new Battletomes. Also. Crusher Stampede is fairly recent (~3 months?) and getting a new book within the next 30 days or so it seems.

tneva82 wrote:
Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

Ah, yes. You're right. I forgot about that.

That takes Beastmen out of play, sadly. They could use a big update.

Well that's a rather Fantasy-ish shield

 DaveC wrote:

Spoiler:

Yeah, I haven't bothered reposting those. First one was sand(GEE I WONDER WHAT THAT COULD BE...) and this was the second one.

Different story if the seminar was the end of the week and we had some model silhouettes or the like. But this was just artwork.

I thought it might be a 40K Knight’s tilting shield?

 stonehorse wrote:
Just imagine how great it would be if they introduced a Xenos race in to Adeptus Titanicus, Orks or Eldar would fit the 30K timeline.

I'd die if they merged Titanicus into an Epic variant that used the AI models as well. It will never happen, but a guy can dream.

 DaveC wrote:
I thought it might be a 40K Knight’s tilting shield?

Oh yeah, that's most likely what it is, a very similar shape and all.

Maybe they will preview a Nid being squished by a new Knight foot....

 DaveC wrote:
I thought it might be a 40K Knight’s tilting shield?

Probably, considering the teaser video this week.

FWIW, the Imperial Knights aren't supposed to get models with their new codex. There's always the chance of some plastic upgrade packs or the like, adding iconography.

Chaos is supposed to get a new Armiger class and a new Questoris class. Hopefully if so, the Loyalist Armigers get the ability to mix 'n' match weapon options to add some variety.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
The whosit whatnow? I remember the powerfist Sons of Horus Praetor being mispacked and sent to somebody who asked for Maloghurst but that's out now and in my hand. Did I miss a leak?

You're right, actually. This guy. I thought he wasn't out yet.

And cue me looking for "Black Legion" on FW's website before I remembered that they didn't exist until after the Heresy.

There’s still plenty of legions missing Praetor models they can show instead of anything to do with the box

They could do another round of Black Library tied Characters like Rahn and the Blood Angel dude. They are HH branded and sort of came out of nowhere.

Or more Legion Leviathan Dreadnoughts...

Could be Knights I suppose, but that shield and the colours are far more Bretonnian to my eyes.

The banner and the odd pattern behind the heraldry made me wonder if it could be a more bretonnian themed flesh eater courts.

Could also be Bretonnian team for Blood bowl, though the nobles did pretty much take their quirks.

Just look at top center, there's a Knight helmet visible. Just like here.

 Olthannon wrote:
Could be Knights I suppose, but that shield and the colours are far more Bretonnian to my eyes.

Surprise Flesh Eater Courts release? /sarcasm

 Tastyfish wrote:
The banner and the odd pattern behind the heraldry made me wonder if it could be a more bretonnian themed flesh eater courts.

Could also be Bretonnian team for Blood bowl, though the nobles did pretty much take their quirks.

I see an almost zero chance of it being Brets, especially not since the NAF has ruled that Nobility are a direct replacement for them when it comes to what is legal tournaments.

Makes me think more of a house colors placard/heraldry shield on a 40k Knight... which would go well with a potential new Knights Codex.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Could be Knights I suppose, but that shield and the colours are far more Bretonnian to my eyes.

Surprise Flesh Eater Courts release? /sarcasm

Bretonnia ghoul zombie pirates confirmed!

New edition of Warcry.

Bretonnian warband.

Can't see that being anything other than Knights/Chaos Knights or some variation thereof; given it's the same shield as in other Knight icons but with some Chaos wibbles going on inside.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Just imagine how great it would be if they introduced a Xenos race in to Adeptus Titanicus, Orks or Eldar would fit the 30K timeline.

I'd die if they merged Titanicus into an Epic variant that used the AI models as well. It will never happen, but a guy can dream.

I could see it happening slowly like that. The newer Warmaster titan and I think the Nemesis titan had AA guns on their shoulders, so that could be a start. Having an allied air force would be more effective (I'd think) than having ground troops as the planes could scout ahead easier than ground craft.

I'm going to guess that Knights and Chaos Knights will be a paired release codex wise, with a new edition of Knight Renegade Box that swaps out one Imperial Knight kit for the new Chaos Questoris kit, which will be box locked for a few months.

 DaveC wrote:
I thought it might be a 40K Knight’s tilting shield?

It's definitely for IK. The image is zoomed in on a House Terryn crest.

zedmeister wrote:Or more Legion Leviathan Dreadnoughts...

My 18th would love one....or a praetor, or something.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

Ah, yes. You're right. I forgot about that.

That takes Beastmen out of play, sadly. They could use a big update.

Whatever happened to that beastmen vs forest goblin boxset rumor? A lot of rumor engines look very jabberslythe-y which sort of lends some credence

chaos0xomega wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS - Rats/Tree Elf or Beastmen/Tree Elf battle box. Announcing their new books.

Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

Generally agreed, however eventually they will have to "cut over" from factions that have got WD updates to receiving new Battletomes. Also. Crusher Stampede is fairly recent (~3 months?) and getting a new book within the next 30 days or so it seems.

Yes. Eventually. But with 8 factions left?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Seeing beastmen got WD update right now odds are nearly zero for book for them for now. There's factions with no update. If they were going to release book for beast in summer they would be extremely unlikely to say the least have WD update just before it. Either WD update would have been lot earlier or skaven or something would have got WD update instead.

Ah, yes. You're right. I forgot about that.

That takes Beastmen out of play, sadly. They could use a big update.

Whatever happened to that beastmen vs forest goblin boxset rumor? A lot of rumor engines look very jabberslythe-y which sort of lends some credence

Rumours are rumours. Rumours say skaven have been leaked to stores for pulling stock for repackaging in summer. That indicates them(and sylvaneth, also repack) as summer.

Well if there are more books 2nd half(feels odd there wouldn't be) every faction could get easily some update this year and then room for wd to book　updates.　in theory you could have gits as last book before wd updates get update and beast as first of those and it would fit. But rumour is rumour and haven"' seen rumour that for example predicted dok/nighthaunt in spring.

30 minute warning people!

Technically 26 minutes now, but still...

That's a lot of dead Beakies.

Hmm... maybe they are showing off the new HH box.

Some teaser silhouettes for funsies.

Oh great this is tonight? I suppose I picked a good night for midweek drinking alone

Chaos knight confirmed.
Second pic looks to be underworld zombie

I was so sad when I checked an hour ago, and saw that the reveal was at 10 and not 9 as I thought :(

Knight
Norse
FrakenUndead
Ash Wastes
[AoS]

And then HH not included in the banner as that's the big surprise.

People in the chat are going "Oh! It'll be more platic aspects!" "Def going to be Angron/World Eaters!". Have these people never watched a GW slow-motion preview before?

Huh. Thought this was Saturday. Well, since I don't work tomorrow anyway...

Lot of Blood Bowl trivia in the pre-stream quiz.


----
Ha! They really are streaming from the UK at 2am.
Gotta really crank the volume up though.


-Unsurprisingly, its an hour show. That's... about it so far.

They're in UK studio.

JWBS wrote:
They're in UK studio.

Poor bastards

 Daedalus81 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
They're in UK studio.

Poor bastards

They cleaned out all the sewage months ago. I hope...

Waffle, waffle, waffle...

BUGGOS

Those are bloody delightful!

Ohh... terrain...

Of course Orlocks get more stuff that I’ll need to get..

Bugs! Bikes! Terrain! Models!
Orlock vs Ash Wasters (no surprise after the preview preview video).

10 man gang, 2x5 like the rest.
Not sure how many bugs or bikes in those boxes. Possibly four from the picture.
Orlocks get a pair(?) of quads with a chair gunner. Quads are nice, riders... eh.

That's a nice huge box.

Ash Wastes stuff looks cool, but the Nomads look like a nightmare to paint.

That quad bike is giving me anxiety... the moment they hit a bump, it's going over backwards.

Giant fleas are cool, though. And the terrain is gorgeous.

I'll pass on the gang and the terrain. I might buy the flea riders.

Love it! Bugs look fantastic, buggies look great, terrain looks fantastic!

Yeah, sold.
2 10 man gangs, 4 bug riders, 2 quads, 2 elevated houses with attached platforms and catwalks.

I can see the rumor engine antenna array, I think

This solves a lot of rumor engines. Tires, the luggage, etc.

Great equatorial waste immediately _south_ of hive Primus. Any Necromunda lore folks can expand on that. (Puts it away from the GSC infected hive, doesn't it?)

"New game, but existing necromunda things fit in it/have a place"

It would be really cool to have complete rules in the rulebook for the Ash Wastes, as opposed to them scattered across a hundred books like they currently are. Would be nice to have at least starter lists for the house gangs in the book too.

Harrowdeep:
The exiled dead

6 'arc-walker' zombies and a necromancer with a bit of leather and hand fetish. Nagash does not approve.
Meh.

The crouching zombie reminds me of the 'witch' from Evil Dead 2.


Heh. Adam plainly does not play Underworlds. He's reading pretty much directly from a press copy describing the warband and how it plays.

Leader of the Underworlds band is pretty creepy. I really dig it.

Well... I was expecting more from the FrankenUndead.

They're mostly just Zombies with the odd thing sticking out of them. Leader's nice though.

They’re ok. But will give a miss I think.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well... I was expecting more from the FrakenUndead.

They're mostly just Zombies with the odd thing sticking out of them. Leader's nice though.

Agreed.

The soldier sticks out in a bad way, surely some hulking Igor-like figure would be the muscle here

Easy way to add some zombies to your army though. Besides the backpack one (and big arm), the electrodes can easily be clipped off.

The necromancer being a vampire is interesting. Also, it looks like it has a corset, but apparently its a he. Love the flesh mask.

Necrarch vibes from the vamp

Nice swerve on Chaos Knights.

Omg that poor Noble! That animation was great and the models are great too. This preview now exceeds expectations.


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New configuration for Knight legs : )

Imperial Knights preview video....
is a Chaos Knights preview video. That was actually really well done. (I liked the chanting crowd, shame they don't use that army of followers...)

Oops... Another rumor engine or three.
Big Knight, stupid birds. New better Armiger (war dog).

Knight Abominant. Big gun, defiler tentacles and... birds instead of carapace weapons. Really cool head (tusks are a bit much, but the 'face' under the helmet is fantastic).

War Dog Karnivore. Choppy thing, grabby fist, dog skull, and carapace missile pod.

Both books.


"throw in your lot with chaos and get spikes coming out of your shoulders, what's not to love" -GW on chaos.


Chaos Knight army set- Book, knight and 2 war dogs.
Not announcing release dates because 'that's tempting fate, isn't it?'

Knight Abominant is a psyker apparently.

Really cool models. Tail is eh but not bad

The Chaos Knight is pretty mediocre. The Chaos Armiger without the skull head looks nice.

Still not sure why Knights need their own books though.

That is a very good (War)dog.


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Oh my days. It's a Blood Bowl Pig.

Beer Boar. The greatest models ever.

Norse team video set to the Flight of the Valkyries.
Because the throwers are valkyries, naturally.
And there is a beer boar.
the berserkers/werekin looked pretty good.

Nope. TWO beer boars.

Norse aren't really my thing in BB, but those are some sweet looking minis.

Beer Boar, Akorn, any other cute blood bowl animal I'm missing?

Let the Animal Blood Bowl begin

I'm a bit salty about the War Dogs. Hopefully the Armigers for the Loyalists get a bit more open profiles.

Wait, what? The beer boars are actually players.

The Necromunda and BB stuff is fantastic, glad to be happy with a set of reveals this time around. Sure wasn't expecting beer boars though, I wonder what they'll offer to the team.

And out of left field... an AoS terrain box?

I need that Megadroth skeleton!!!

Age of Sigmar.
Ominous music. Narration over... terrain?

Season of War. Thondia (some continent on Beasts)
Thondian Strongpoint terrain box. Its... fine? More of the same kind of buildings and statues (from the terrain set with the edition box), plus a dead dragon head and spine (foot long) and.. an animated dragon skeleton- the Incarnate of Ghur (aka bones mounted on GW swirly gak- but this time, its made out of Tang)



ALSO...
nighthaunt character onna boat.
battletome to come. vaguely sometime. after? the battle box, which is coming... sometime.

Incarnate of Ghur looks awesome. The secondary orange skull is very unnecessary though.

Ay Anvil of Apotheosis that isn't in a WD

This is a good preview if you like terrain.

Oh hey, it's the Tibia Mariner.

I love the spirits having coins for the ferryman. Nighthaunt range isn't always the best, but they do have some of the coolest models

HH : O

Oh sweet jesus what a trailer.....
That had quite a few nods to previous 40k artwork in there if my eyes do not deceive me. Going to be a treat to go over it 1000 more times.

So... Horus Heresy, are they going to end as strong as they began?
"The Main Event" - Adam Troke
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"I never wanted this" - Horus, 2022
Quality animation. No, seriously, this is pretty amazing for GW, striving for Warcraft launch video.

Bait & switch. Another low grade game based on GW IP.

Oh no. Now what will Valrak make youtube rumor speculations on?!??!

I mean, they should have probably shown the box as it was leaked......but despite not generally being impressed with their trailers......that was one hell of a trailer!

Or no... the actual event we've been waiting for : )

JWBS wrote:
Bait & switch. Another low grade game based on GW IP.

It's literally the plastic models we've seen teased months ago. You can tell the armor is the same.

JWBS wrote:
Bait & switch. Another low grade game based on GW IP.

Nope. Boxed game. Mk VI marines. But that's it. Announcement video and _ONE_ beaky photo.

Oh. And fairly impressive (well, big) Praetor, with a honking big axe.

wait, so Harlequins are combined into a codex with Craftworlds, but we need 2 separate knight codexes? Dumb.

Lol. Lmao.

A very chunky Praetor

Hmmm...I don't know about the praetor. The head. The proportions. It just looks...wrong?

So they're not showing the box? Bold choice...

FFS.... the low res pics of the boxed set already leaked..... just show the damn boxed set....

 bullyboy wrote:
wait, so Harlequins are combined into a codex with Craftworlds, but we need 2 separate knight codexes? Dumb.

One is chaos, one is loyalist? I agree that chaos knights could/should probably be crammed into a chaos marine codex but harlequins typically assist all eldar factions. Chaos knights and loyalist knights wouldn't help the same side.

That's a new tank design. Be interesting to see what it is.
Something I remember from doing an experience thing at WHW in 2019 was how Adam Troke agreed with the notion that more plastic HH stuff would be a really good idea.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're not showing the box? Bold choice...

Hey, they started really strong. One of the previews had to be a serious disappointment. Might as well pair the blow with the awesome trailer.


Now to turn my volume way back down so I don't blow my speakers...

Heh. 'The internet's best kept secret, a new HH game.' I do like a touch of self-awareness.

Big respect to that one armed Imperial Fist stepping up to Horus.

 bullyboy wrote:
wait, so Harlequins are combined into a codex with Craftworlds, but we need 2 separate knight codexes? Dumb.

Because Chaos are eeeevil and different. Harlies are knife-eared pieces of gak like craftworld, making the new asuryani.

Hahahahaha, Wade in response to the Horus Heresy "The Internet's Best Kept Secret!"

Final teaser... chaos marines with two wounds. And a few model bits and bobs.
Coming Soon (tm)

Hey, Chaos Codex teaser. Nice.

Oh cute... a lil CSM flash at the end. Two wound CSM soon...

So...
Summary time:

Ash Wastes. Boxed Game New game, but 'existing necromunda stuff has a place in it.'
Orlocks vs Ash Wasters,
10 man gangs (new one is 5x2 sprues from the body duplicates in the pics).
Four bug riders, 2 buggies for the orlocks
Elevated huts and catwalks, quite a few rumor engine solutions.

Underworlds warband Necromancer and 6 arc zombies (dull)

40K- Imperial Knights and Chaos Knight books. (And a nice video)
New Chaos Knight Abominant, and War Dog Karnivore,
Army Set with Book, Knight and 2 Good Dogs.

Blood Bowl Team- Norse, with Beer Boars

AoS Terrain box, with a foot long skull and spine and a animated dragon skeleton as the Incarnate of Ghur
Also some Nighthaunt on a boat. Nighthaunt battle tome sometime after? versus box with DoK

Horus Heresy officially announced with a big video trailer and... two models. Mk VI armor and a Praetor. Going by the models, its that fuzzy photo we saw roughly two years ago

No dates, because they 'don't want to tempt fate' (Read: supply and shipping issues are still a thing)

Chaos Marines teased at the very very end. Coming Soon with two wounds. So (implied) release order for 40k is: Tyranids, Knights, Chaos Marines


Articles are going up on WarCom.
Ash Wastes:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/necromunda-ash-wastes-revealed-in-full-at-adepticon/

Harrowdeep:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/a-mad-scientist-and-his-harrowdeep-warband-are-creating-a-spark-at-adepticon/

Blood Bowl
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/the-norse-blood-bowl-team-are-starting-the-party-at-adepticon-with-their-beer-pigs/

AoS:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/the-realm-of-beasts-literally-comes-to-life-at-adepticon/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/a-terrifying-new-nighthaunt-character-emerges-from-the-briny-deep-at-adepticon/

Knights:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/enter-the-abominant-two-new-chaos-knights-revealed-at-adepticon/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/knights-muster-in-two-stompy-new-codexes-revealed-at-adepticon/

Heresy:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/beakies-are-back-first-miniatures-from-the-horus-heresys-new-edition-spotted-at-adepticon/

Chaos marines:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/a-glimpse-at-a-very-dark-future-from-adepticon/

SCREEN SHOTS!! We need screen shots of that CSM teaser! ESPECIALLY THE LEGIONAIRES DATASHEET! Please? (Also: The HH video was pretty cool, same for the Chaos Knights one.)

The video showed Legionaires having both 1 and 2 wounds, so we will have to wait and see which it actually is in the codex...

Pretty sure the 1 wound is from kill team rules and 2 wounds is for the official codex

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
SCREEN SHOTS!! We need screen shots of that CSM teaser! ESPECIALLY THE LEGIONAIRES DATASHEET! Please? (Also: The HH video was pretty cool, same for the Chaos Knights one.)

Chaos marines
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/24/a-glimpse-at-a-very-dark-future-from-adepticon/

Video by itself. There's a lot of little things in that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9UUuQCRC5s
Including several rumor engines.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The video showed Legionaires having both 1 and 2 wounds, so we will have to wait and see which it actually is in the codex...

It shows the 1 Wound becoming 2

ffs those printer lines would drive me nuts if I worked at their painting studio.

There's a cultist in that CSM teaser video.

If by "a lot of little things" you actually meant, 1 Chaos Spawn model with lots of gribblies, then yes it's a lot of little things.

Thanks Voss!

I'm seeing what appears to be: Possessed, the Mutant/Possessed Cultists, the Cultist Character (?). And Legionaries are 2W. Leadership buffed to 8 for Legionaries, 9 for Aspiring Champion. Attacks: 2. So, if we lose Hateful Assault (which is expected), we'll still be behind primaris.

 TalonZahn wrote:
If by "a lot of little things" you actually meant, 1 Chaos Spawn model with lots of gribblies, then yes it's a lot of little things.

Mmmm. I guess you could assume the wings, the eye and the back spouting spines and blood are from the same model (though the last seems incompatible with the first to me)
But the star icon, skull icon, the power armor hand holding an (ultramarine helmet?), and the spiked pauldron & head really don't mesh with that.

It'll be a disappointing preview they said...

But honestly? This preview had me at Ash Nomads on giant bugs. The Chaos Knights are every bit as hot. And while I would have loved to see the Heresy box, the trailer kicked a$$ and we did at least get to see two models.

So allow me to take your predictions of disappointment and feed them to my beerboar.

Anyone who sees the Beerboar and says this preview was bad is wrong and shall be punished accordingly.

PenitentJake wrote:
It'll be a disappointing preview they said...

But honestly? This preview had me at Ash Nomads on giant bugs. The Chaos Knights are every bit as hot. And while I would have loved to see the Heresy box, the trailer kicked a$$ and we did at least get to see two models.

So allow me to take your predictions of disappointment and feed them to my beerboar.

It was better than I expected. Well. The 40k and related properties were better than I expected.

The ancillary fantasy properties were exactly as expected (one team/warband)

AoS was... anyway, it still exists.

The lead-in for HH was amazing. The complete lack of substance was not.

The lack of dates was annoying, but at least we got a implied codex order for the next 4 things (Nids, knight-knights and Chaos marines)

Mostly Ash Wastes picked up my good will and carried it until AoS crashed out and Heresy quietly left the room while Horus chewed the scenery (amidst a lovingly crafted battle montage, admittedly).

That wasn't a gak preview!

It was still quite limited, and certainly was "Part 3" of the big reveal that has been running in slow motion since the start of the year, and as always was mostly stuff we already knew about, but there were some generally nice reveals in there, including the completely out-of-left-field AoS terrain box. I need that Megadrath skeleton quick smart. Rest of the box I can live without.

And I'll be taking a deeper look at that Ash Waste terrain soon, but first glance tells me that there are two terrain sprues, and you get 3 of one and 2 of the other. Need to take a second look soon.

Horus Heresy looks... fine. We know what it is already, and have done for fething ages, even if GW still wants to keep its head firmly in the sand and pretend we haven't. Turns out my prediction was somewhere in the middle of "Horus Heresy box" and "Praetor".

Norse team looks rad. Ferryman looks overdesigned like most Nighthaunt things (and did they need another fething special character?). Chaos Knights look cool; especially love the giant tusks on the face mask. As mentioned earlier, the FrankenUndead are really dull (leader is cool), and I don't know why they bothered given that they're just Zombies that fell into an AdMech player's bitz box. And the HH animation was cool. I like Titans, so seeing them in action is always fun. And now we know who wins in a Titan vs Lance fight. It's not the Titan.

And a Chaos tease. Hope the wing is a new Daemon Prince mini. I need something to attach the new Avatar's Wailing Doom to to make my own Daemon Prince character.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, if we lose Hateful Assault (which is expected), we'll still be behind primaris.

As they should be. Primaris are literally "Better Marines".

I'd dislike it very much if Chaos Marines shifted into being Evil Primaris Marines overnight with no warning because of a stat change. Chaos Marines are still First Borns. Have pride in that.

JWBS wrote:
ffs those printer lines would drive me nuts if I worked at their painting studio.

These "lines" are literally 1/50 of a mm thick. You only see them because you're pretty much watching through a microscope...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, if we lose Hateful Assault (which is expected), we'll still be behind primaris.

Not behind enough, unfortunately, but alas, that's what you get with current incompetent rule writers who never actually read the fluff of the game they are working on and are stuck in 'make next book even more broken' mode

 CMLR wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
wait, so Harlequins are combined into a codex with Craftworlds, but we need 2 separate knight codexes? Dumb.

Because Chaos are eeeevil and different. Harlies are knife-eared pieces of gak like craftworld, making the new asuryani.

In reality it's nothing that can't be handled with one page on switching keywords, having one House rule for each of the Gods, and a couple more rogue houses. Not sharing weapons and the generic relics is pure silliness.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like Titans, so seeing them in action is always fun. And now we know who wins in a Titan vs Lance fight. It's not the Titan.

I like how all the Warlords had the Lucius Alpha head, which FW no longer sells, and doesnt exist for the Titanicus scale kit :(

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Thanks Voss!

I'm seeing what appears to be: Possessed, the Mutant/Possessed Cultists, the Cultist Character (?). And Legionaries are 2W. Leadership buffed to 8 for Legionaries, 9 for Aspiring Champion. Attacks: 2. So, if we lose Hateful Assault (which is expected), we'll still be behind primaris.

Not terribly far behind. In terms of shooting they'll be the same as Tactical level vs Intercessors, BUT melee loadout might pack a punch depending on the reveals.

That said I'm choosing not to expect much. Assuming the leaks are true at least Red Corsairs might not suck.

Ooh! That's quite alot of stuff to wake up to. That ash waste terrain looks fierce af and shall be added to the collection, no reason it couldn't work as 40K / KT21 terrain as well

And with the NUBEAKIES! finally announced, the countdown timer towards new Mk VI kit sprues has been set. June-July has been rumoured as a probable launch window, so I'll have ample time to get my finances in order. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Can't wait for morning to come so I can watch that new HH trailer with sound!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, if we lose Hateful Assault (which is expected), we'll still be behind primaris.

As they should be. Primaris are literally "Better Marines".

I'd dislike it very much if Chaos Marines shifted into being Evil Primaris Marines overnight with no warning because of a stat change. Chaos Marines are still First Borns. Have pride in that.

It's cool. I feel better now. I went and listened to some Angelcorpse at MAXIMUM VOLUME, and did some math. Mark those boys Nurgle, Khorne, or Slaanesh, and take the corresponding Icon, and they'll kick the out of Cawl's toysoldiers in a fight. Can't wait to try it out.

AVE DOMINUS NOX

Well, that trailer was aight! Horus's face looked hella realistic, quality CGI although I didn't like the mapping on the beakie armours..

Two screenshots from the trailer - are we getting new heads and possibly a beakie option for the Plastic Praetor? That Praetor helmet matches the leaked rulebook illustration, the hatches on the top of the beak looking hot af <3

That first pic is probably just a sergeant helm for mk vi.

Second picture looks like the previewed Praetor with an alternate head (same backpack decoration, shoulder pad, and axe looks like). Which would be good, because the other head is awful.

I’m mostly psyched for Ash Wastes. Loving the giant fleas which are pretty leftfield.

Beer pigs. Got to get them Don't play bloodbowl(not enough guys locally to play proper league) but might get norse team just for these for lols.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m mostly psyched for Ash Wastes. Loving the giant fleas which are pretty leftfield.

Those giant fleas are indeed awesome. How come Chaos cultists never get cool stuff like that?

 tauist wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m mostly psyched for Ash Wastes. Loving the giant fleas which are pretty leftfield.

Those giant fleas are indeed awesome. How come Chaos cultists never get cool stuff like that?

Because naughty boys don’t get nice things!

 Gert wrote:
Anyone who sees the Beerboar and says this preview was bad is wrong and shall be punished accordingly.

Do I want the Norse set just for the beer piggie? Yes, yes I absolutely do.


The HH trailer was very cool, I'm not going to buy any but still looked awesome.

Everything else sort of interesting, I liked the ferryman model. Those ghosty folks are quite neato.

Main thing is Necromunda though. The terrain is very nice.

Previous Underworlds teams this season were boring in my eyes but this one is looking awesome. I guess my inner necromancer is typing these words

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m mostly psyched for Ash Wastes. Loving the giant fleas which are pretty leftfield.

Yeah the ash wastes looks great- love the nomads and the fleas are fantastic. I did think for a second was there was squat quad bikes.. but alas not!
Beer Pigs are epic!
Even though not a fan of the heresy, the trailer was really good.
Looks like chaos is going to get a serious about of love and the knights look good.
From not having any particular interest in the factions released I thought it was great preview- those releases should take us up to September?
Plus I'd bet there will be a killteam release as well.

I feel like the Exiled Dead is another warband like the Pirate Ogre one that missed the mark by only having the one mini that's actually on brand for the team.

Stitched together Frankenstein-style flesh constructs sounds really cool, but there's only one of them, and the rest are just regular zombies, but with tesla coils, except for one of them who doesn't even have that, and then theres a budget bin version of the Cursed City skeletons thrown in too.

If it wasn't for the Ash Waste box set, this would be a very dull 'big reveal'.

Still baffled that they think showing 2 of the new HH models is enough, we've already seen the rules and box set, just show the damn thing already. Stop with this pretence.

PenitentJake wrote:
It'll be a disappointing preview they said...

But honestly? This preview had me at Ash Nomads on giant bugs. The Chaos Knights are every bit as hot. And while I would have loved to see the Heresy box, the trailer kicked a$$ and we did at least get to see two models.

So allow me to take your predictions of disappointment and feed them to my beerboar.

The previews were awesome and I am super excited for Chaos Knights and Horus Heresy.

I think the only disappointment for me was the AoS reveal.

Yeah big miss there for the exiled dead.
The potential was there for a fantastic Frankenstein-esque warband. But the sculpts are all just not quite there. Aside from a funky gem and a mini-sort of tesla coil, there's nothing that screams mad scientist about the... mad scientist. Not to mention there's only one stitched together minion. Like.... where's the flavour?

Still, nice models over all. The leader will make for a nice necromancer with a few alterations. And more zombie fodder is always good.

Wow a preview that actually delivered for once. As a 40k player anyway, I imagine the AoS people might be less happy with just 1 dude and some terrain?

Ash Nomads look cool, bugs are awesome. Knights looked good tho I will echo 2 books feels a little weird when they would fit well in 1 book like Harlequins, despite being on opposite sides.
Hope they are really different in this case and not 50% the same stratagems with slightly different flavor text.

I think IK players would be allowed to be a bit disappointed, given they're apparently not getting anything new this release bar a book - especially when Chaos get all bar 2 of their units (Knight Perceptor & Canis Rex), with more flexibility on how to combine the arms, and get two new kits this time around...

These previews are always marmite, as it depends what one is interested in, but damn that was pretty good!

I like the giant-cricket riding fremen in Ash Wastes. Would really like them for Stargrave and 5 Parsecs...

Blood Bowl isn't something I keep up with but the new viking team looks good all the same.

Harrowdeep has a good offering but zombies aren't my cup of tea, outside of Resident Evil 2.

Chaos Knights look awesome, but disappointed that there isn't much improvement on the Combat Patrol side of things which also goes for Imperial Knights. Its still limited to Armigers with very little in the way of options. The launch box looks mighty appealling!

The Horus Heresy isn't something that I've looked at beyond "Warmaster" in an ancient issue of White Dwarf, and Adeptus Titanicus. But its nice to see the swanky FW model range is finally getting an actual game to go with it!

Chaos returns! Okay, 2 wounds is something to be excited about and I've got all these left over models from Blackstone Fortress, but I might just leave them as they are...

Age of Sigmar. Holy smokes! A new Nighthaunt character and a Nighthaunty-looky-likey monster? New rules for making our own heroes? Sigh...is it once again too much to ask for solo-play rules to go with the land of beasts, where they would shine best? But no matter, this all looks very cool all the same.

More to come in the next few days? Dunno, but its been a blast today at least.

If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

SamusDrake wrote:

The Horus Heresy isn't something that I've looked at beyond "Warmaster" in an ancient issue of White Dwarf, and Adeptus Titanicus. But its nice to see the swanky FW model range is finally getting an actual game to go with it! .

Uuuh it has had game for years...and the new rules are just fine tuning it rather than redoing it.


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 BrookM wrote:
If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

Reliable rumour monger already said those datasheets were fake. And seeing degrading was all over the place, one guy suddenly having wargear loadout it cannot have(4 carapace slot. Model physically has only 3...) no reason to think the guy with proven trackrecord is wrong on that one.

 Dysartes wrote:
I think IK players would be allowed to be a bit disappointed, given they're apparently not getting anything new this release bar a book - especially when Chaos get all bar 2 of their units (Knight Perceptor & Canis Rex), with more flexibility on how to combine the arms, and get two new kits this time around...

Chaos already had a Knight Preceptor equivalent in the form of the Knight Desecrator.

But yeah. It's gonna be vexing that Chaos will be getting a new Armiger hull mounted weapon and a whole new setup of Armigers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I think IK players would be allowed to be a bit disappointed, given they're apparently not getting anything new this release bar a book - especially when Chaos get all bar 2 of their units (Knight Perceptor & Canis Rex), with more flexibility on how to combine the arms, and get two new kits this time around...

Chaos already had a Knight Preceptor equivalent in the form of the Knight Desecrator.

But yeah. It's gonna be vexing that Chaos will be getting a new Armiger hull mounted weapon and a whole new setup of Armigers.

It's more that chaos knights were previously just imperial knights with spikes on, very literally. It's good they're getting fleshed out with their own units. Next time round I'm sure the same will be true in reverse and IK will get something unique.

As a Knight player I'm quite alright with Chaos getting some new toys we don't have access to, could be old, now lost tech, or something heretical they botched together in the warp, but all for them having other stuff than just being spikey mirrorverse cousins.

Would still love to see attendant Armigers that Jes sketched out years ago, providing their lords and ladies with reloads and other buffs.


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tneva82 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If the Imperial Knight leaks are anything to go by, combat patrol and smaller crusade games will be impossible for them, with Armigers now being 10 power and the Valiant bumped up to 38, but in return getting grotesquely awesome buffs in terms of attacks and armour, along with a nice -1 to all incoming damage debuff.

That said, bring on that loyalist codex please.

Reliable rumour monger already said those datasheets were fake. And seeing degrading was all over the place, one guy suddenly having wargear loadout it cannot have(4 carapace slot. Model physically has only 3...) no reason to think the guy with proven trackrecord is wrong on that one.

Sad. But oh well, too good to be true.

Well seeing it didn't do much to help deal with ridiculous amount of damage output maybe new ones are better.

Also would have been weird for warglaives to lose inv save against shooting. Warglaives would get expensive AND easier to delete with guns?

Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Yeah, he's closer to the new CSM and such

Meaning he's gonna be out of scale with almost everyone else thus far, outside of some of the most gynormous recent Praetors

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Might be, I still think the pose helps them to look a bit taller. The previous Marines all had 'riding a horse' stances, which made them look a bit shorter.

I remember years (or even decades) ago someone got the old Necron Warrior models and put their legs to be straight and they jumped up to be as tall as a Tyranid Warrior. Point is how a model is posed can play a big part in how tall it looks.

tneva82 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

The Horus Heresy isn't something that I've looked at beyond "Warmaster" in an ancient issue of White Dwarf, and Adeptus Titanicus. But its nice to see the swanky FW model range is finally getting an actual game to go with it! .

Uuuh it has had game for years...and the new rules are just fine tuning it rather than redoing it.

Of course it has; I'm merely mocking the lack of effort for a starter set, and that for the last few years I've honestly have never seen the rule book in stock on the FW site. Yet, they knock out amazing models quite often.

For the record, I've only heard good things about The Horus Heresy.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

I wish I could buy a box of beerboars.

I don't play BB, but damn those models are awesome.

And HBMC, totally with you on that skeleton from the AoS box- I think it would look at home in the ash wastes. I could also see incorporating that giant skull into a vehicle- put it on a knight or something. Of course, then I'd need two of them.

So, a good bit of stuff. Ash Wastes is nice and all but the Nomads aren't enough to my taste to get interested. I don't have a need for walking garbage piles at the moment. Makes sense to start with Orlock, but the vehicles don't seem very interesting to me and riders look really dodgy. Never mind that GW seems to have passed up another opportunity for female Orlocks, but they're shown during the same reveal as the Norse and boy do those Blood Bowl models do the beardy fellow look justice. Orlocks look like trash compared to that. The terrain is cool, though. Looking forward to getting a better look at it.

The zombie warband is a dud in my opinion. As has been mentioned previously, no real love or vision, just a few techy bits stuck to zombies.

The big Knight looks cool. It's great to get mechanical tentacles at Knight size. I love those on my Dreadnought. Small ones, eh, whatever. I don't care for the Armiger look, so there was precious little chance of impressing me. The hound skull is nice, I guess.

AoS then. It's nice of GW to make a model for a krayt dragon (well, a dead one anyway, but I think we all prefer those things dead) and the floaty fountain is really cool, but once again it looks like they have no interest in making anything like modular buildings for AoS. I'd really prefer them to reconsider. 40k got some cool modular ruins with enough intact parts to make functional, complete buildings over the years, and it's a shame AoS doesn't get anything like that. Ghost ferryman is nice enough.

The Horus Heresy trailer looks good, if unbelievable. There's no way Horus would beat a random, wounded Imperial Fist. So unrealistic. But at least GW is finally acknowledging that the leaked Horus Heresy stuff exists.

The skeleton stuck out for me as well. I want to embed it half in a glacier for my arctic table.

Lot of very cooling stuff overall. Good preview.

My only question is if I’ll be able to resist the new HH stuff.

Well an awful lot of non 40k news there, which is interesting.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

 tauist wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Late to the party, but is that HH beakie marine true scaled? Looks like longer legs than your average tactical marine.

Rescaled yes. This from Reddit:

I think that old Mk IV Marine might be made too large in the picture; the plastic Mk IV's didn't even come up to a Primaris's shoulders.

http://www.betweenthebolterandme.com/2017/06/primaris-space-marines-first-impressions.html

The new CSM have the head coming just over a Primaris's shoulder?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/9tpfzp/chaos_space_marine_size_comparison/

I'm happy for the new size, sad we probably will not see the Mk IV and III re-scaled, accept maybe as assault or heavy weapon kits.