We could not let this year end without wishing you all a Happy New Year!
As we are about to begin this new year, we've been taking time to review all the lessons learned from this Kickstarter, so that we can build on them and become stronger. We have great projects planned for 2015. And our goals are to continue giving you the high quality and great customer service that Raging Heroes stands for, while at the same time constraining the heavy design/sculpting delays we experienced on this first Kickstarter. Thanks to all of you, we have grown wiser in all of this (OK, we also got a few more grey hair, that is, those of us who still do have hair...). And we are now well set for an awesome year!
And yet, the month of December was marked for us with very sad news as we learned that our longtime partner Stewart Griffin had suddenly passed away before Christmas from a massive heart attack.
Stewart was heading Griffin Moulds, probably the best miniature metal foundry in the world.
We have been and continue to be deeply shaken by this news. Stewart and his work have been key in the process of establishing Raging Heroes as a quality brand. He was also one of the very few people whose collaboration made it possible for us to deliver such a massive project as the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter. If you own a Raging Heroes miniature, there is a good chance that it is partly Stewart's and his team’s work.
Today our thoughts are with his family, friends and coworkers.
We now know that Griffin Moulds will continue, and of course, so will our cooperation together. Our hearts go out to the team in this difficult time, and we know that you will join us in this.
Shipping Update
The first half of Wave 2 has already gone out. As we explained in previous Updates, 6 out of 10 troops were ready and began shipping on December 2.
The remaining 4 Troops were due on December 23rd or so. But the resin foundry ran out of resin because the supplier has been over 3 weeks late in delivering it! And the carrier literally sat on the resin barrels for over a week, while our poor resin caster spent Christmas Eve fruitlessly waiting for their delivery!
So the 4 remaining troops are currently being cast as we speak, and we expect the first ones in 8-10 days or so. As soon as we have them, we will finish shipping Wave 2. Drop Ships are going to be the last to be fulfilled in Wave 2, as some backers at each Drop Ship location have selected some of the remaining 4 troops.
However, we do have a few metal Heroines that are going to be switched over to Wave 3, as Griffin Moulds is currently reorganizing workloads.
After that, everything left will be promptly cast, so we continue to expect the entire KS to be delivered 8-10 weeks after Wave 2 is done. As we received new casts, we will be shipping continuously, whenever shipments can be completely fulfilled.
Deal #3
Also, a lot of backers elected to take advantage of Deal#3, and have received a bunch of TGG minis already.
Anybody still interested is welcome to do that, the deal is valid until January 5th.
Customer Service
Meanwhile, we do reply to all queries, although sometimes at a bit slower pace than normal, since we are short-staffed until January 5.
New Images
But our photo guy is back in, so here's a few snaps of the latest 3D printed masters before they left for production. Blow you'll find Nepharyaa, Baba Yaga, plus some Motorbikes and Artillery.
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Your images + Next Update
We'll post a new Update as soon as we receive the remaining 4 troops. And in that one, we'll also include a new concept for the Sisters of Eternal Mercy!
Meanwhile, have you've been painting and/or gaming with the TGG? If yes, we'd love to see your photos, either of your paint jobs, or to see the girls in action! Send them with us at comlink @ ragingheroes.com (just remove the spaces). We look forward to sharing the fun with you!
Have they showed her back yet anywhere? I'd like to know how all that dangly stuff hooks up back there, and if any if it can be left off. Wouldn't mind replacing the giant scythe as well.
I don't recall seeing a back shot of her. Looking at that pic I'd hazard a guess that the majority of the tentacles are moulded on to her back - there looks to be a separate piece for the ends that joins the main body around foot height. Having said that it does appear that there is a gap between cloak and tentacles at the point where the cloak folds in, so that may be a sign that there's a distinct back-piece.
My first instinct was to be annoyed and ask "which bloody metal heroines, which you claimed would all be in wave 1, are now going to be part of wave 3?". Then it occurred to me it would be a bit callous to have a go considering the situation. Now I feel a bit annoyed because I'm just cynical enough that the first thing that popped into my head after that was that might be exactly the reaction they were hoping for by sharing both those bits of information at once, and I don't know whether I should be angry or feel a bit guilty for thinking so little of them.
As much as I laugh at these guys, I'm so buying that priestess miniature when it's finally released. It's definitely their best work. Well, maybe second to the manticore.
Oh look, an update that isn't five thousand words long and doesn't really tell us anything.
However, I call bull gak on this line:
Drop Ships are going to be the last to be fulfilled in Wave 2, as some backers at each Drop Ship location have selected some of the remaining 4 troops.
I know for a fact that no one sharing a drop ship with me ordered any of the four missing troops. It's possibly the case elsewhere.
Nepharya looks good, though she also looks like she'd be a pain to cast and have the mould survive for any length of time without either changes, loss in quality/detail, or cutting her into a hundred pieces for casting.
Figure this has already been asked before, but 271 pages is a lot to go through to find the answer. What's the scale like on these models for those who have seen them in person? They seem to have heroic scale proportion, but is it 30mm or 28mm? Do they hold up well against 40k Guardsmen or do they look like Amazons? I've been debating picking up a few of these minis off the Raging Heroes site.
Hmmm, she does look a bit tall. Is this consistent with the other ones who have slightly beefier proportions? I was specifically thinking about getting this model. I think she looks brilliant, but I don't want her to tower over the rest of my army; at least not too much.
BrookM wrote: Plus, unlike the triplets she doesn't have her legs so far akimbo that you're going to have trouble fitting her onto a regular round slotta base.
Yeah, I also think that the triplet models' poses really accentuate the fact that they're taller. Her legs are more together and disguised by the skulls on the base, so there's not this massive bowlegged pose accentuating her height and long legs. I honestly hated the triplet models, but a lot of these new girls they're putting out are really great. I feel like they toned down the fan service a bit, which makes for more appealing miniatures; at least for me.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Here is a comparison shot I made the day I put my first wave together.. need to take a better one at some point.
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Hmmm, it seems that the models are pretty variable as far as height goes. For example, the psyker chick looks huge; she's as tall as a SM with her knees bent. But the model I'm interested in does look like she's the perfect size from that pic, so I'll definitely be picking her up. I also see a few others that I'm happy to see are scaled close enough for my liking. Thanks for posting this pic!
Definitely want to get that model, especially since any scale issues can be hand waved with "bionic implants". Not overly fond of the cleavage, but it's still a great model.
Definitely want to get that model, especially since any scale issues can be hand waved with "bionic implants". Not overly fond of the cleavage, but it's still a great model.
Yeah, depending on the price I may order three. Hopefully I can find a way to make some variation though.
I finally got my sampler - a Jailbirds command squad.
The miniatures seem to have been cast properly, though they are tiny. There's a minigun in there that I'd love to use as a heavy weapon, but it's too small to pass as one.
Throwing in some coasters with the minis would have been nice if not for the fething mascots. My mum might like the cat one, but the others are going in the trash.
AlexHolker wrote: I finally got my sampler - a Jailbirds command squad.
The miniatures seem to have been cast properly, though they are tiny. There's a minigun in there that I'd love to use as a heavy weapon, but it's too small to pass as one.
Throwing in some coasters with the minis would have been nice if not for the fething mascots. My mum might like the cat one, but the others are going in the trash.
Wait. You're going to trash that hippo? Nooooooooooooo.
I'll pay for the shipping if you'll send it this way.
I'll pay for the shipping if you'll send it this way.
Just so it's clear, I'm talking about cardboard coasters, not actual miniatures. Unless the prices have gone up since last time, it will cost around 2 USD to post them to the United States. If that still interests you, PM me, and I'll email you photos of the two you'd be getting and continue on from there.
I ended up doing some extra ordering for me, and a $180 or so order for my friend when they reopened the pledge window as I think I mentioned. Since I have to ship her her stuff, I think I'm going to fob off the freebies I don't want, probably including the coasters, to her.
Pris en charge indicates approved from the postal service, and also Mauguio Languedoc may be the location of said Poste business office. It is right close to Montpellier.
So, according to a post in the past couple of hours the final troops have now been delivered to RH for packing and dispatching. Which means that anyone still waiting on wave 2 should receive a dispatch notice in the next couple of weeks.
I'm sure we'll also see an update about this some time before the end of the month.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: So... have they finally locked down what Wave 2 consists of, if they are going to start sending it?
*beings to feel like this is a Kafka novel*
They've been shipping it for a while, they were just waiting on some troops and a few heroines in metal before being able to do any of the drop ship stuff.
I know they've been shipping part of Wave 2 for a while... but have they ever determined *exactly* what was to be considered Wave 2 and thus everything that is part of Wave 3?
With the late troops (all of mine, namely), I might as well wait until April. At least DFG has a big box of goodies coming my way.
AlexHolker wrote:The miniatures seem to have been cast properly, though they are tiny. There's a minigun in there that I'd love to use as a heavy weapon, but it's too small to pass as one.
Given how ridiculously oversized most heroic scale heavy weapons are, especially on GW models, that seems hard to believe, lol.
I am waiting for someone to stick a switchblade into one of those packages, pull it out with a heap of product, and then test the quality with his tongue.
Packed with what is the question. If they're seriously packing the stuff tomorrow then how hard would it be to take ten minutes to write a quick update stating the exact contents of Wave 2 and what's been pushed to Wave 3?
In their case, they feel it's better to send gak out first and only when people are starting to get it do they chime in. That's how they did it before IIRC.
Yodhrin wrote: Packed with what is the question. If they're seriously packing the stuff tomorrow then how hard would it be to take ten minutes to write a quick update stating the exact contents of Wave 2 and what's been pushed to Wave 3?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I am waiting for someone to stick a switchblade into one of those packages, pull it out with a heap of product, and then test the quality with his tongue.
Resin is a hell of a drug.
I was just on a conference call at work skimming this and started cracking up.
"No, sorry, I wasn't laughing about this broken database."
Yeah, some of the Sisters are a bit too leggy. Will probably be avoiding those figures when the Kickstarter hits. Although, with the number of people that have made comments about the leg proportions on a lot of their figs, I'm curious why they haven't tried to address those issues by downsizing them a bit.
Alpharius wrote: Well, it is just one mini so far, and beyond that, what don't you like?
Okay, I may be jumpin the gun since it's one mini, but the super long legged, arched back, church on a stick mini doesn't say SOB to me. It says 'someone's got a weird fetish'.
I love Dark Eldar but I'm really not enthused by the Dark Elves currently on showcase for the new KS. I'd like to see more of the cyberpunk/digipunk look of the DE (like the Reavers/Hellions), rather than just the demonic look seen in the Incubi.
Alpharius wrote: Well, it is just one mini so far, and beyond that, what don't you like?
Okay, I may be jumpin the gun since it's one mini, but the super long legged, arched back, church on a stick mini doesn't say SOB to me. It says 'someone's got a weird fetish'.
Alpharius wrote: Well, it is just one mini so far, and beyond that, what don't you like?
Okay, I may be jumpin the gun since it's one mini, but the super long legged, arched back, church on a stick mini doesn't say SOB to me. It says 'someone's got a weird fetish'.
Mymearan wrote: Will someone ever do power armored females without ridiculous boob armor?
Probably not. I'd prefer them and would likely even make a small force of them if they actually made less fetish-y SOB that actually looked like they were wearing power armor and not just weaponized leather corsets. Ironically, some of the heavy infantry shown in this KS shows that it is possible to be both obviously feminine yet actually appropriately visually armored. I'd love to have a visual and rules middle ground between my IG and truescale marines that look like they belong there (so SOB roughly the size of the current marines whereas the real marines would be truescale conversions).
Mymearan wrote: Will someone ever do power armored females without ridiculous boob armor?
No. Men's bodies for the most part are built very similar and have the same body proportions even when you have a bulky muscled person vs a smaller person. To adjust the armor it is simple since their chest requirements do not need to support other masses, so it rarely changes from person to person. It is a one size fits all type of fashion that works for males.
However woman on the other hand, one size does not fit all. This is and was actually an issue that has currently been faced as more women enter more active combat roles. As a result new armor was created which was lighter but even then it was difficult for them to raise their arm properly to fire a weapon. That isn't even taking into consideration the comfort issues. You can't just simply strap them down. The newer armor however is still an improvement, providing more mobility, being able to distribute the weight better (unlike male armor where you can distribute weight across the back and chest evenly, you can't do that with woman) and being able to fire better.
I'm not saying boob plates are optimal or better, but considering the average US bra size is roughly around 34DD currently. That takes into consideration that many woman for awhile have been wearing the wrong size and non-natural means through alteration. However I believe that worldwide that was already the average size, as Europe tended to have a larger average cup size traditionally than the US. If we're talking simple uniform, that is definitely different than combat armor. Since no one has really provided a functional reference, people on average tend to refer to what they believe would be the easiest customization to armor, modular waist and with separate modular cup size plates which tends to mean boob armor. Granted there are other methods to do it, you could do a slight angle as opposed to an actual mold, although there is a lot of unused and improper space when you do that.
I'm sure my wife can explain it much better than I can as she fits into this category, although this was a discussion we've had when we've been working on Stormtrooper and Bounty Hunter cosplay armor. When we've gone the traditional male route, it is often uncomfortable for her to move and provide proper support. We weren't able to do armor without going with a custom boob plate for mobility, comfort and support. There are often times that I think certain outfits or clothing will work great, however since they don't provide support they won't work. Even though you see pictures of woman with her size as the models, most of them are not natural which means they don't need support.
I've posted it before, but this is an approach I suggested back when Defiance Games didn't blatantly suck:
Instead of individual cups for the breasts, have an oblique wedge on the armour, with a flat upper surface and a shaped lower surface. There is still an oblique corner beneath the breasts but that is inevitable if you want the armour to have a sufficiently close fit to have any kind of waist joint, and I think it conveys the soldier's body shape while still looking serious.
Dr Mathias wrote:There's a difference between armor that accommodates breasts and armor that encases them or even accentuates them with individual round plates.
There was a great deal of constructive discussion on this topic when Mark was tweaking his female troopers for the Dreamforge Kickstarter.
That was a fruitful discussion, but it cannot (I would say) be divorced from the fact that Mark was explicitly going for a more "realistic" tone with his line. By and large I think that Severance has the right of things, but both are missing a critical context: what people actually want to buy.
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Mymearan wrote: Will someone ever do power armored females without ridiculous boob armor?
No. Men's bodies for the most part are built very similar and have the same body proportions even when you have a bulky muscled person vs a smaller person. To adjust the armor it is simple since their chest requirements do not need to support other masses, so it rarely changes from person to person. It is a one size fits all type of fashion that works for males.
However woman on the other hand, one size does not fit all. This is and was actually an issue that has currently been faced as more women enter more active combat roles. As a result new armor was created which was lighter but even then it was difficult for them to raise their arm properly to fire a weapon. That isn't even taking into consideration the comfort issues. You can't just simply strap them down. The newer armor however is still an improvement, providing more mobility, being able to distribute the weight better (unlike male armor where you can distribute weight across the back and chest evenly, you can't do that with woman) and being able to fire better.
I'm not saying boob plates are optimal or better, but considering the average US bra size is roughly around 34DD currently. That takes into consideration that many woman for awhile have been wearing the wrong size and non-natural means through alteration. However I believe that worldwide that was already the average size, as Europe tended to have a larger average cup size traditionally than the US. If we're talking simple uniform, that is definitely different than combat armor. Since no one has really provided a functional reference, people on average tend to refer to what they believe would be the easiest customization to armor, modular waist and with separate modular cup size plates which tends to mean boob armor. Granted there are other methods to do it, you could do a slight angle as opposed to an actual mold, although there is a lot of unused and improper space when you do that.
I'm sure my wife can explain it much better than I can as she fits into this category, although this was a discussion we've had when we've been working on Stormtrooper and Bounty Hunter cosplay armor. When we've gone the traditional male route, it is often uncomfortable for her to move and provide proper support. We weren't able to do armor without going with a custom boob plate for mobility, comfort and support. There are often times that I think certain outfits or clothing will work great, however since they don't provide support they won't work. Even though you see pictures of woman with her size as the models, most of them are not natural which means they don't need support.
AlexHolker wrote:I've posted it before, but this is an approach I suggested back when Defiance Games didn't blatantly suck:
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Instead of individual cups for the breasts, have an oblique wedge on the armour, with a flat upper surface and a shaped lower surface. There is still an oblique corner beneath the breasts but that is inevitable if you want the armour to have a sufficiently close fit to have any kind of waist joint, and I think it conveys the soldier's body shape while still looking serious.
I've spent quite a lot on Kickstarters that featured female models, but in all honesty, I wouldn't buy a model along the lines of what Alex posted. Granted there could be a lot of changes in the translation, but it doesn't "read" as feminine enough. Now, you can say that real women soldiers don't either... but in real life, they aren't supposed to. Outside of dress uniforms that have skirts, that is. Soldiers are supposed to look uniform.
It's the basic quandary in making female miniatures (among other things): people who are interested enough to buy female models don't want to have to squint to know that it's a female model.
AlexHolker wrote: Instead of individual cups for the breasts, have an oblique wedge on the armour, with a flat upper surface and a shaped lower surface. There is still an oblique corner beneath the breasts but that is inevitable if you want the armour to have a sufficiently close fit to have any kind of waist joint, and I think it conveys the soldier's body shape while still looking serious.
It isn't bad at all, although I'd need to see a side view. Currently based on the just the picture, she would looks like a 32C. After the design is done the next question is how does it size up or down and what does that mean for mass production as well as distribution to masses of varying sizes?
In theory you could make one for each cup size but that seems inefficient and wasteful. It would probably mean that they were custom made based on the troop makeup, maid to fit. You could have them obviously use their own bras for support, then allow an outside piece to have a higher degree of variance. I'm not sure of how comfortable that would be when applying it to actual version though.
When we were creating armor we did try the subtle shaping, darted and even the plated overlay route which is similar to what you have posted. (None of the pictures are of what we did, just examples of the styles since I'm at work currently)
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Unfortunately they were uncomfortable for her when trying to actually do any real bending of the waste or trying to crouch. And because of the shaping it made it difficult to lift her arms above her head without it being uncomfortable. Ultimately that was we did go the cupped method though, not because it was outwardly feminine but the curve provided support, was sized so she had full upper mobility.
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Buzzsaw wrote: That was a fruitful discussion, but it cannot (I would say) be divorced from the fact that Mark was explicitly going for a more "realistic" tone with his line. By and large I think that Severance has the right of things, but both are missing a critical context: what people actually want to buy.
And that is the rub. The masses say they want more realistic but what sells is something else. That is also due to no one really understands or know what "realistic" is or how it functions. It is one thing to post a picture, but another thing to build a piece of armor and get it to function properly for comfort and protection (hence why it tends to be scifi/future because it hasn't been done)... realistic doesn't really exist to a degree.
Buzzsaw wrote: It's the basic quandary in making female miniatures (among other things): people who are interested enough to buy female models don't want to have to squint to know that it's a female model.
There is also that. The only way I could tell my helmeted Eldar woman from non-woman is the boob plates. There are also some miniatures that are male armored troops but by looking at the armor, they could be male or female depending on simply what head you put on them (instead of a helmet).
Compel wrote: Although it's not power armour (I'd probably class it in 40k terms closer to carapace armour), I like the Mantic Rebs Commanders armour.
Yeah that is a style that I was referring to, carapace, layered plate that the only way we know its a female is because of the head. If there is a squad of them in helmets, next to the males, it would be hard to differentiate between male and female. Now for squad based battles that is usually fine but for smaller skirmish battles, that may matter. Granted a lot of people are fine with that and a lot of people would want a more defined separation as well. Although probably more expensive to a degree, it would be better if the torsos were modular and let people swap out torso's then players could choose more subtle or more defined to suit their own personal tastes.
Mymearan wrote: Will someone ever do power armored females without ridiculous boob armor?
They have been done, but males just seem to appreciate the focus on the female "aesthetics" , now with the focus on the rear part of the female anatomy
in recent popular culture i expect the rise in "ridiculous butt armor"
feth feth feth fethity feth bugger. I knew it, I bloody well knew it would happen, one of my selections has been pushed to wave bloody 3. Ugh, why can't this drek just be over already.
I have to admit that all the delays and stuff have, thus far, been well within my expected parameters for the Kickstarter - and I paid for an early ship and got models, and have been quite pleased with what I received.
Yodhrin wrote: feth feth feth fethity feth bugger. I knew it, I bloody well knew it would happen, one of my selections has been pushed to wave bloody 3. Ugh, why can't this drek just be over already.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: and while Raging Heroes fetishizes their girls in other ways, they did avoid boob armor for the Kurganova Shock Troops at least.
We can only pray that oversight is fixed for the Sisters KS.
If it really does launch in March, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to chip in for. Excited to see the renders for those models, though.
No, one of them turned to the dark side and hunted down the other ones to extinction. Only KM survived on account of being so far from France. To watch over us from a distance...
I am the last of the Heralds, and now I wander the North American desert, seeking the one who can bring balance to the force. The one who betrayed us is still out there, you know him now as the laziest PR/Communications guy on earth. Even by French standards*
Real talk that program just kinda vanished about 3/4s of the way through the KS. I have no idea what happened, and while they'll answer me as customer KM (as they fething should, between me and my friend we've got well over $500 tied up in RH product) they won't really talk about the Herald program. I think the idea was good but they had no fething clue what they were actually using the program for.
I have communicated my over all dissatisfaction with the fulfillment speed and process, their chronic inability to communicate and and the frustration I had when they cut us (heralds) out of the loop and left us to twist with all you justifiably angry people asking us what in the nine circles was going on. I got the usual drek back for the stuff they were willing to respond to and nada otherwise. I'm a fan. I love what RH produces, but feth me with a chainsword this is going to be close to two years by the time I get my product. Maybe I'm extra grumpy because of the whole unemployed thing and lots of pain so I've stopped trying to be a relative voice of reason, and just gone back to gripping to keep my own moral up haha.
No worries, should the program be started up again, there are still a few people in the KS comments section who would make for ideal candidates, especially the ones who tell us that we shouldn't be worried, because they aren't and whatnot, because the wait will be worth it*, they still have a massive backlog of other KS stuff they need to work through and what they have gotten so far is more than enough to sate their wait.
* Well, I got some minis now and while they are nice, I have long since stopped thinking about doing happy dances when the rest, including the original one I pledged for, finally arrives. The original project it was for has by now long since been shelved and replaced by something else that is more readily available, so there's that as well.
Personally, I'm not sold on another KS from RH. Sure, some of the concepts that we've seen look nice, but that doesn't mean the finished sculpts will actually match up with the original renders.
I'm certainly not going to go in for as much this time, at most I may put in a base pledge if there's anything that really grabs my interest and then increase it via the pledge manager once we actually get to that point. I'm sure by 2017 they'll have shown off finished sculpts of some of the figures as part of the pledge manager.
You can be sure I will be pledging on the new KS, so I have the privilege of at least posting to the comments section. I might even pledge as much as a whole figure's worth. And I will not lock my pledge in until I know what Wave 1 is.
It sucks for you, KM. You guys put yourselves out there for them, only to be fed to the dogs (us) and for no real benefit either. Did you even get a t-shirt? I would guess not. Bottom line is, yes, focus on your employment situation, and your pain (knees, right?) and the French will take care of their own things.
BrookM... but, but, but... everything is supposed to be done by March! So not a few months... a mere few weeks! Sorry, I can't even keep a straight face on this one.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: You can be sure I will be pledging on the new KS, so I have the privilege of at least posting to the comments section. I might even pledge as much as a whole figure's worth.
A glutton for punishment are you now? Some relationships you need to walk away from, this isn't their way of showing love, it will just hurt you more.
Ah yes, that worked out so well for us the last time round.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: BrookM... but, but, but... everything is supposed to be done by March! So not a few months... a mere few weeks! Sorry, I can't even keep a straight face on this one.
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice..
On second thought, disregard that last one, the final wave of metals is with the casters in the UK right now and I don't want to indirectly insult them after having lost the company owner not that long ago.
Imagine, if they hadn't dittered on three sets of masters, they might have had all their minis before his death. It is a testament to this man's legacy that his company was able to survive his passing. He must have been a great long-term planner.
Actually, the company will do just fine and it is quite legendary among the lead belt for the quality of their work, they do the casting for loads of companies and have been doing it for ages.
Oh good, then! With RH, I had assumed they had found a small, free-range, organic and non-GMO caster that can only be contacted on a blue moon and after having danced windershin while skyclad for three hours while hand-crafted candles of targ blood burn.
It sucks for you, KM. You guys put yourselves out there for them, only to be fed to the dogs (us) and for no real benefit either. Did you even get a t-shirt? I would guess not. Bottom line is, yes, focus on your employment situation, and your pain (knees, right?) and the French will take care of their own things.
We ain't got gak. Would have been nice to throw something in for the heralds, extra mini or something token even but nope.
I'm fairly sure I'll fail my willpower save against shinies to some degree when they come and tell us lowly mortals that they have xx% of their new project ready. I just hope I'll see that gif in the new thread - it won't seem like a proper RH topic without that deliciousness
The nuns don't interest me. If they add some quality sci-fi looks to the mix I might pick up some of the elves, but not nearly as many as I did in this KS.
I kind of wished they'd spiced up the nun, thrown in some fantasy elements or spiced it up a bit. Photo realism is great for the Perry Brothers, but I was hoping for something more exciting.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I kind of wished they'd spiced up the nun, thrown in some fantasy elements or spiced it up a bit. Photo realism is great for the Perry Brothers, but I was hoping for something more exciting.
I think it'd look a whole lot better with skulls. Skull breastplate, skull shoulder pads, skull knee pads, skull helmet, and maybe even a skull book.
Yep - because having mastered the art of producing minis on a schedule they're now ready to do four armies at once. And if all four armies are 80% complete then that means the KS must be 320% complete, so there'll be no waiting involved....simple mathematics innit?
monkeytroll wrote: Yep - because having mastered the art of producing minis on a schedule they're now ready to do four armies at once. And if all four armies are 80% complete then that means the KS must be 320% complete, so there'll be no waiting involved....simple mathematics innit?
You know if maths was just putting two and six together and getting forty two I'd have a maths doctorate.
BrookM wrote: The original project it was for has by now long since been shelved and replaced by something else that is more readily available, so there's that as well.
This seems to be a theme with current KS projects that are finally fulfilling...
BrookM wrote: The original project it was for has by now long since been shelved and replaced by something else that is more readily available, so there's that as well.
This seems to be a theme with current KS projects that are finally fulfilling...
Yeah, if it was on schedule I'd have a nice little Imperial Navy project going on right about now, but instead Forge World beat them to it with the Solar Auxilia list and models.
It's probably a good thing I never got into Kingdom Death Monster for anything other than the game (and many expansions) itself, I'm glad I never put in a mega order to build a regiment using Adam's stuff, especially with Fantasy probably getting a drastic makeover later this year.
BrookM wrote: Pfffft, their troops will never be as amazing as the modular Arcadians done by Victoria Lamb.
Nothing on God's green Earth is as amazing as Vic Lamb's IG models.
Why GW didn't hire her is just beyond me...
If only they were in plastic.
Just speculation, but it's always possible that GW offered her a position and she decided that she'd prefer not to relocate from Adelaide, Australia to Nottingham. Vic also does a lot of work in Theatre, so Minis is not her only gig, and in a lot of ways it's not even her main gig.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I'd love to see them in HIPS as well. US$50 is a bit rich for me to buy any more squads than I have, but if they were HIPS-prices...
BrookM wrote: Pfffft, their troops will never be as amazing as the modular Arcadians done by Victoria Lamb.
Nothing on God's green Earth is as amazing as Vic Lamb's IG models.
Why GW didn't hire her is just beyond me...
If only they were in plastic.
I must admit that (unless this is a reference to something other then her female IG) I'm not particularly taken with Lamb's IG. Nothing against her personally, merely the result of a fairly hard turn away from any interest in the heroic scale.
On topic: so, did wave 2 ship? I find myself so lost with what is going on here that I have no idea if I should be looking for shipments or not...
I think most / all of the drop ship wave 2 stuff has gone out. Mine's currently sat waiting to be collected from the delivery location. Though the order on the pledge manager doesn't reflect which items were shipped and the tracking links in the email didn't work.
There's also Warwick's wife who has done graphical design for more than a decade now, Lindsey Priestley as an editor has also been around for ages and then there's one of the new higher ups in charge of the company.
Friend of mine got some of his in (metals, not troops). I'm really impressed. They're smaller than I thought they'd be, which is fine as I thought they'd tower over 40K minis.
Really looking forward to seeing how the archane techno-lady turns out - the one with all the mechatendrils. The model just screams "Dark Mechanicum", and the zombie/servitor unit works perfectly with her.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really looking forward to seeing how the archane techno-lady turns out - the one with all the mechatendrils. The model just screams "Dark Mechanicum", and the zombie/servitor unit works perfectly with her.
That's the figure that pulled me in, more than any others.
Naturally it's one of the last ones to be sent. That's my luck when it comes to miniatures- I collect Sisters of Battle so I'm used to feeling left out
I got a box yesterday. I'll open it within a couple of weeks. Probably. I just find it hard to make myself care about long-delayed kickstarters much any more.
Azazelx wrote: I got a box yesterday. I'll open it within a couple of weeks. Probably. I just find it hard to make myself care about long-delayed kickstarters much any more.
Lol, then your apathy powers are far beyond mine. The moment a box of unopened minis is in my presence, the cost of obtaining them is completely forgotten. (Which isn't to say I haven't opened a couple boxes only to have my crushing disappointment return and see said box shelved for an indefinite period.)
So... for someone who thinks these models are cool as hell looking (but wont touch Kickstarter or even look at it due to previous issues), does anyone mind explaining what all the angst is about?
Im interested in buying some when they become regular stock, and just wanna know what the issues are... without digging through 200 pages.
Those who knew Raging Heroes expected this to run late, and for them to act like (French) Artistes
but it ran (is running) much later than that, and they've been even more Artiste than expected
(you know that sculpt we said was finished, nope, scrapped coz we think we can do better,
irregular, but very long updates,
hosting a tumblr inspiration board that provided several unfortunate memes)
Can I say it is more or less within my initial expectations and not be considered a liar?
The only thing I did not expect so far was that weird "heroic scale" switch they attempted in the campaign and the only thing I campaigned so hard against.
That might even be the reason they scrapped so many models, they thought to make them "heroic scale" to be more compatible with GW and maybe their 80% done was in that aesthetic and when the strong opposition became apparent, they had to scrap a lot of the work they had done.
Gragga Da Krumpa wrote: So... for someone who thinks these models are cool as hell looking (but wont touch Kickstarter or even look at it due to previous issues), does anyone mind explaining what all the angst is about?
Im interested in buying some when they become regular stock, and just wanna know what the issues are... without digging through 200 pages.
Aside from the other explanations in the thread, which apply to me to various extents. Speaking for myself, I'm sure that my box of models is filled with beautiful sculpts, but I no longer play 40k (or haven't in a long, long time) so like Dreamforge Games's KS, my primary use for these models has pretty much expired for the foreseeable future (even though I did pick up more of them recently), and I'm pretty burned out/tired of kickstarters at this point. I had theoretically hoped to do something with them if they'd arrived over my Christmas break, but it's now February and I'm very much back at work - and I ended up doing almost nothing hobby-related until the end of my break, anyway.
If you don't have these issues, I'm sure these will be beautiful additions to whatever game you hope to use them in.
Then you need to wait some more until those certain stars align, their light perfectly reflecting the arcane devices they use to determine whether or not you are worthy of receiving your pledge.
Aye, I know my next package is incoming, RH noted so on one of their facebook threads, but I'm still just waiting with no real concerns.
I'm pretty fire and forget regarding Kickstarter.. had a couple even turn up I had really forgotten I backed. That's always a bonus.
What's funny is RH isn't even my longest wait.. the metal deluxe Werewolf 20 has that distinction.. was due Jan 2013.. Although to be fair on them, I have had a standard edition of W20 as well.. so I am not entirely without product.. but that was also under a second account.
Haljin wrote: I'm confused now. Should I have received something? I did not get any notification of anything being sent..
Only if you paid for wave shipping of some kind. If you didn't pay for wave shipping and have models that are part of Wave 3 (or figures that got bumped to wave 3) then you should still be waiting for the final fulfilment batch. Which is in a month or something. Transit time was would be another 2-odd weeks to get to you.
Haljin wrote: I'm confused now. Should I have received something? I did not get any notification of anything being sent..
Only if you paid for wave shipping of some kind. If you didn't pay for wave shipping and have models that are part of Wave 3 (or figures that got bumped to wave 3) then you should still be waiting for the final fulfilment batch. Which is in a month or something. Transit time was would be another 2-odd weeks to get to you.
I really shouldn't have bothered with those bikes now.
They're now touting a launch date for the next KS as late March (via Facebook).
Seriously?
At least one of the TGG backers pulled them up about it straight away. Response, they're "working out a cool solution to address this"...
Well, in all fairness, we got teased about *soon on Kickstarter* for, what, four months, before they launched the first campaign? So by that metric, and let's assume a learning curve that cuts the wait in half, then they should launch in May.
Notice I didn't assume they'd ship their minis on schedule, though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A cool solution? Wazzatevenmean?
Wait and see I suppose, though I've got a feeling it'll be the incentive thing, seeing as I've got a feeling they'll be wanting as many souls as possible in on this one in the hopes of surpassing the previous campaign. Something along the lines of "previous backers can drop us a line after the campaign and get something something"
Though an extra coaster with a new design on it isn't farfetched either.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, I guess it depends on how Griffin is doing with the casting I suppose. It is quite a bit of metal they need to churn out and ship to Raging HQ.
Maybe troops will come in before the metals and they'll decide to ship those out ahead of the others, another mini wave?
Heh, I already have that covered.. female dominated planet with slight atmospheric situation which has lead with a natural taller Human population.. due to concerns on loyalty they have been merged into a nearby systems Guard forces, and are not allowed a standard regiment of their own.
My wife's forces are the IE, who ended up caught in a warpstorm and fell to Chaos, killing most of their 'Wardens' and coming back to teach their sisters there is a better way.
BrookM wrote: Yar, troops be tall, good thing I didn't order any to supplement my Guard forces.
Actually, if I choose to use these for space marines...I'll finally have space marines that are fluff appropriate...except of course for...you know..not being male.....
However As one of the poor schlobs who said "hell no I'm not paying shipping multiple times!!" I wont see any of my stuff till they complete wave 3. So Ill have to decide if I want to fund another KS form the same company before actually getting my pledge.
TBH though, I'm pretty zen about kickstarter delays. I think I sorta assume my stuff will never arrive and then am always pretty happy when it does.
Cthulu wars finished at the same time as this and is pretty much on the exact same track. some of the stuff has finished, the others stuff is still being made.
Im not casting any dispersions on them, the core box does have some really amazing looking stuff in it especially for plastics which can sometimes not be awesome. They really did live up their claims. I look forward to rest some day.
KD:M didn't candy coat it, he didn't stick to the "MY. MIND. IS. STILL. BLOWN. BY. ALL. THE. MONEY. YOU. SAPS. BACKERS. GAVE. ME.", he did regular updates for a long, long time with actual content in them showing us what was happening to our money and when there's yet another delay, he told us what the reason was and didn't bs around. It's only now that things are getting more quiet as he's gone into crunch mode to get that gak done before the end of this year.
As far as KDM memes go, "The Pinups don't have rules." "The Pinups aren't actually part of the game." "You don't have to use the Pinups if you don't want to."
Funny thing is out of those four, the only one I don't think much of is the Infinity model. I think it's the disproportionately large head on her, and the horrid pose. I usually quite like Infinity stuff, despite owning only a few.
Yeah that's a really early sculpt, don't think they even make her any more, think the securitate basically disappeared as a unit and in its place came the grenzer, which is definitely a lovely mini.
Azazelx wrote: Funny thing is out of those four, the only one I don't think much of is the Infinity model. I think it's the disproportionately large head on her, and the horrid pose. I usually quite like Infinity stuff, despite owning only a few.
You gotta point the new starter pack looks much better
So...here is a question for you all. I know since this is so massively delayed than some of your original plans for these girls no longer apply cause you
Don't play warhammer anymore
Don't play IG anymore
Hate RH and want them to die
Never had a good use for them in the First place and regret pledging
etc etc. So what do you plan to do with your girls now?
I know I'm gonna use the jail birds to make a necromunda gang of house escher. And I might proxy some of them for soda pops relic knights which produced a few awful sculpts.
Not sure what I'm going to do with them to be honest. As with some others here I sort of stopped playing 40k a lot and switched to other games. Most likely they will just languish in a box somewhere in my basement untill I either a) feel like 40k again or, more likely b) just get tired of them taking up space and try to sell them.
For now though, destination is storage untill I have decided what to do exactly (they can keep my dfg leviathans company there )
rayphoton wrote: So...here is a question for you all. I know since this is so massively delayed than some of your original plans for these girls no longer apply cause you
Don't play warhammer anymore
Don't play IG anymore
Hate RH and want them to die
Never had a good use for them in the First place and regret pledging
etc etc. So what do you plan to do with your girls now?
I know I'm gonna use the jail birds to make a necromunda gang of house escher. And I might proxy some of them for soda pops relic knights which produced a few awful sculpts.
Mine go into the bottomless pile of theoretical shame until I start playing something sci-fi again. Or at least feel like painting some of them. Along with my Dreamforge stuff - as with Gertjan.
RoninXiC wrote: Wanted to start 40k with them... nice SoB army.. then 7th and the mediocre and lackluster "codex" hit.
Will either paint them for fun or sell them.
rayphoton wrote: So...here is a question for you all. I know since this is so massively delayed than some of your original plans for these girls no longer apply cause you
Don't play warhammer anymore
Don't play IG anymore
Hate RH and want them to die
Never had a good use for them in the First place and regret pledging
etc etc. So what do you plan to do with your girls now?
I know I'm gonna use the jail birds to make a necromunda gang of house escher. And I might proxy some of them for soda pops relic knights which produced a few awful sculpts.
It is good that i am a Collector first and gamer second, I will fit them in my backstories for my several systems and then they will go on the shelf.
Started to paint some of them
Strangely my plan for them is exsactly the same: Purty (quality wise) sci-fi 'umie females likeley to see table time when cthulhu rises or when a sizeable majority (85%+) of politicians quit being idjits and actually do their *bleep* job. However I now have a system to use them in and the free techno-zombie may join my steam zombie horde. But the she-wolf will still be a Circle Orborous Pureblood Warpwolf.
ChaoticMind wrote: Strangely my plan for them is exsactly the same: Purty (quality wise) sci-fi 'umie females likeley to see table time when cthulhu rises or when a sizeable majority (85%+) of politicians quit being idjits and actually do their *bleep* job. However I now have a system to use them in and the free techno-zombie may join my steam zombie horde. But the she-wolf will still be a Circle Orborous Pureblood Warpwolf.
I literally spent 5 minutes trying to figure out how to use raging heroes miniatures in "Cthulhu Wars" before I realized you were not talking about the game but the actual end of times.......Facepalm
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I just noticed that they had to cheapen the "Je suis Charlie" sentiment further by using their own mascot. Great.
Great. Turns out I did indeed receive a second wave and it has been shipped to my dropship weeks ago. No notification email from RH or the dropship itself.
Going to pick it up today and add to the growing pile of unused resin, yay!
Wasn't there talk of them probably not finishing it and adding 'a cool solution' to the new KS for backers of the last one, could be just me imagining things of course.
No, that's what was mentioned, but I think the solution is something along the lines of "pledge in the new KS, mention you're a backer of the previous one, get a set of coasters for free"
Arse bugger bollocks. Went to get my Wave 2 from the dropship today, was hoping that would be that, instead I find literally nothing but the sniper unit I ordered - they even had Ludmilla on the receipt inside the box but they'd scored her out with marker pen. So I still have to hang about waiting for Ludmilla, Raven, and Svetlana.
So much for going with metal heroines so I wouldn't have to piss about waiting for the final wave.
BrookM wrote: No, that's what was mentioned, but I think the solution is something along the lines of "pledge in the new KS, mention you're a backer of the previous one, get a set of coasters for free"
Are you sure about it? for all we know they may delay your shipment to get them all conveniently at once ...
BrookM wrote: No, that's what was mentioned, but I think the solution is something along the lines of "pledge in the new KS, mention you're a backer of the previous one, get a set of coasters for free"
Are you sure about it? for all we know they may delay your shipment to get them all conveniently at once ...
I just died a little inside, still annoyed that there's stuff up for sale I'm still waiting on, 'not going to tank my business because you don't want to pay shipping for waves we won't even tell you the contents of'.
Well, I did end up buying Lady Hilda von Stroheim. Overall, she's a really nice model and BrookM, you were right about her scaling not being too bad. I did a review on my YouTube channel if anyone wants to watch it. Anyone had any experience contacting RH about broken/miscast pieces? Her command baton was broken in the package, unfortunately.
Ah, okay. It's kind of hard to tell because it's so tiny. Regardless, I probably won't end up using it since it's broken, unless I can get a replacement.
You can always try sending them an email about it.
I'll have to give their resin a try sooner or later down the line, when I have money. And they have more miniatures on sale to justify the shipping cost.
Yeah, I popped them an email. I'm just outside the date to get a replacement, because I was out of town for five days before I could get it from the mailbox and hadn't noticed it until I made the video, but hopefully they'll make an exception. The resin is pretty good stuff. I don't have any complaints save for the one piece that was broken.
just got my second wave stuff in the mail. The casts are amazingly good quality. on par with the kingdom death hard plastics. i had ordered several of the hero figures in metal, and now wish i had more faith in their resin stuff, because those came out very excellently. Very happy, and i can't wait for my third wave in the next few months i'll get some pictures posted up later with the figures still on sprue.
I finally finished to cut all separate parts for these second wave models. At first, the boxes looked small but I didn't think they could fit so many inside of those. Full resin, more than 100 troopers of all kinds...On second thought, it was a good thing they used several waves.
Quality is oustanding. No default or bubble at all even with that huge number of models A few parts beind bended here and there, but that's nothing some warm water won't be able to correct. They are really nice but I must say I'm especially fond of the jailbirds.
I'm quite glad with the result, even if my project from when the Kickstarter began has somewhat shifted. I'm not really into GW anymore and don't feel the urge as before to make an all female imperial guard army. Still, they will make nice infantry for any other 28-32 mmSF skirmish game system.
Don't know if pictures of separate parts will be really interesting for you, guys.
I must say that I can only imagine the huge amount of work it was to do all of these, honestly. Not surprising it took such a long time...whatever the haters will reply.
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