Corvus have been visiting my dreams.
Ridiculously awesome.

They just get better with every release. Holy hell are those good.

Y'know, I started creating a biker-gang scenario that featured a "scroll mode" table (remove back section, replace in front every turn... those who do not keep up die!). Looks like I'll have to get that finished soon.

So..... They look really great, but I think I actually don't like them. But they do look great; just something about them that isn't appealing to my sensibilities.

Holy. fething. gak.

Yeah, those are Khanate riders. feth the monocycles.

Holy Mother of Pearl those bikers are AWESOME!

Definitely going on my list! So glad I held of buying the other ones.

Though if you're being honest, the old ones were rather easy to resist.

I'm with Cincy on this one - while they are great looking, there is something about them...

I won't be adding them to my Haqqislam forces.

I'm sticking with the Assassins, QK and the Super Soldiers.

The thing that feels different about them is what my friend just told me - they look feral, which is in stark contrast to Haqqislam.

However, it perfectly fits the fluff of the Khanate forces, being biker gangs.

I must be the only one that's actually disappointed. I don't need these. Yeah, they look nice, but I'm just not a fan of the bikes. Plus, if we had to get bikes, I was rather hoping that they'd be Merc bikes.

I was also ever so slightly hoping that these wouldn't turn out to be bikes at all, but rather generic TAGs like the Geckos for the Mercs.

Anyway, easy pass for me. I think I'll just buy that Spitfire Druze instead.

 Alpharius wrote:
Though if you're being honest, the old ones were rather easy to resist.

I'm with Cincy on this one - while they are great looking, there is something about them...

I won't be adding them to my Haqqislam forces.

I'm sticking with the Assassins, QK and the Super Soldiers.

i actually like, and own, the original bikes...
butt girl sold me, just for pure cheesecake...

these are way cooler, but don't fit the sci-fi look for me...
mono-wheels seem more sci-fi than Hell's Angels in space...
love the models as stand alone pieces, though...

luckily, i'm just a painter, so i can can enjoy both styles...

cheers
jah

 Barzam wrote:
I was also ever so slightly hoping that these wouldn't turn out to be bikes at all, but rather generic TAGs like the Geckos for the Mercs.

Except that Bostria made it pretty clear what we are getting this month. 12 models, all new. 3 boxes, 2 blisters, no TAGs. There was never a chance they were going to be TAGs.

I can dream. I'd love to see the Kaplans get their own TAG. And for the Druze to get their own not-Scarface generic TAG as well.

I'm torn. These look absolutely astonishingly amazing, but I really REALLY wish they weren't kum. I LOVE the monocycles, I have 5 of them and I've never even used them in a game. These are incredible, but it looks like they'll be replacing the monocycles which makes me uber sad. I'll probably still eventually pick them up anyways, lord knows I need more bikers i'll never play with so long as they're awesome. Maybe these new ones will be my kum and the old monos will get converted to Yu Jing, they always seemed more fitting for that faction anyways.

Also these are a HUGE missed opportunity, this would have been perfect to introduce pill-shaped bases that could have also been used for all those TAGs that need extenders. Mount them on 40mmx70mm bases with round ends and solve that issue once and for all. *sigh*


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Or, maybe I'll use these as Swoops like sombody suggested, they are PERFECT for Star Wars fringers with barely any converting at all, just chop off the easily clippable wheels. MMMMmmmmm, Swoop races *drools*

What about using one as Beg?

Sad that they lost the mono-wheel, which was a cool manga reference. But, what a sculpt to replace it with! Seriously, the mohawk guy is an absolutely spectacular sculpt, like I would say one of the best I have ever seen and certainly for this kind of miniature which will be loved by anyone who has ever seen Mad Max or Fist of the North Star.

It fits the biker-gang background of these guys - and seriously, grow up about the name haha..

I'm going to get my bike-head on about the features on those bikes as well at some point (hopefully they have the same nerdy attention to detail as 'Penthouse') when they have released some close-ups! I will say though looking at the length of that wheelbase I hope there is some special '18-point turn in the road' rule for these guys

 Barzam wrote:
I must be the only one that's actually disappointed. I don't need these. Yeah, they look nice, but I'm just not a fan of the bikes. Plus, if we had to get bikes, I was rather hoping that they'd be Merc bikes.

I was also ever so slightly hoping that these wouldn't turn out to be bikes at all, but rather generic TAGs like the Geckos for the Mercs.

Anyway, easy pass for me. I think I'll just buy that Spitfire Druze instead.

I agree with you. Although I think these are an improvement over the old models, I don't think they fit what I have in mind for my Haqqislam, so I don't know if I'll be getting them.

They should have sent a poet.... no words... no words at all.

...

Okay, so I love the new concept. I can understand why people say they don't "feel" right, but I think that's just because they feel very sectorial-y looking.

But that's probably got to be the biggest 1st version->2nd version upgrade I've ever seen in all of miniatures.

Considering this is a strict revamp of the second Kum boxed set with a Rifle and ChainRifle, there's probably another coming out soon. Rather than having Butt-Girl v2.0 and Generic-Rifleman, it may end up being like the Asuka boxed set with a special character (Izzat Beg) and probably a Generic Kum with Boarding Shotgun.

I find them fitting for Haqqislam.

 Knight wrote:
I find them fitting for Haqqislam.

Me too, especially their fluff of outlaw biker gangs.

...There's really no way to use those outside vanilla haqq, is there? Damn

Although those are great figs, I may have to buy the mono wheels quick before they disappear. I really liked the concept, even if the sculpts were not at the same level.

As odd it might sound, the previous sculpts might be more detailed. I've put my first Bolts together and found them somehow more cumbersome, problematic fitting and less elegant compared to certain older models, not to mention the scale difference between them. Overall quality of them feels sloppy and rushed, not beating around the bush. Remarkable what difference the finishing touch of a brush can make.

I'm definitely interested in how well the new sculpts will be. It might not be a bad idea to purchase an older model, if you prefer older aesthetic.

I hope if Anteoniciti partner for terrain they will bring back their scenery pieces.

A lot of the indoors and urban pics of Infinity are full of Antenociti bits like air scrubbers, fuel pumps, rubbish bins and so on that really add to the environment -- all of which have been withdrawn from production!

I think i start to understand why there arent oblong/ovoid bases... it would cause a grey area around fitting through doorways, etc. They're standard sizes after all, and an ovoid base shape would kind of be.. two sizes?

The models are fething awesome. For Kum. That's exactly the kind of motorbike I don't want to see in Ariadna. If USAriadna is going to have finally bikes, I hope they fit with the landscape and gakky roads/paths.

 Erasoketa wrote:
The models are fething awesome. For Kum. That's exactly the kind of motorbike I don't want to see in Ariadna. If USAriadna is going to have finally bikes, I hope they fit with the landscape and gakky roads/paths.

Pretty much this. I want the USAriadna to have more legit dirt bikes. The Kum riders look perfect for their fluff. I do wish they had've tried to update the Monocycles instead of going two wheels, but I'm not going to complain about it.

I'm also happy because it looks like the Smoke Launchers are just sort of stick on... so I can leave them off if I want to.

Also plastictrees wins the internet for the day, that post was perfection.

Is there a reason everyone thinks USAriadna is getting bikes or is it just wishing?

ImAGeek wrote:
Is there a reason everyone thinks USAriadna is getting bikes or is it just wishing?

Part of the "design brief" of USAriadna is that for whatever reason they're getting bikers called "Mavericks".

Holy gak! those bikers look good.

 Kanluwen wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:
Is there a reason everyone thinks USAriadna is getting bikes or is it just wishing?

Part of the "design brief" of USAriadna is that for whatever reason they're getting bikers called "Mavericks".

Ah okay. Was just wondering if it was an official thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:
Is there a reason everyone thinks USAriadna is getting bikes or is it just wishing?

Part of the "design brief" of USAriadna is that for whatever reason they're getting bikers called "Mavericks".

Here's the leaked concept art:

100% bought. 100% OWNED.

Damnit, SlavetoDorkness beat me to it.

I don't really know much about the Infinity backstory, different faction themes, etc., but those bikes look great!

I can't wait until we get word on when the next Book with new Sectorials is going to launch.

Bring on the Caliphate and Svalarheima Sectorials!!!

I love the soft, subtle assymetry of the Caliphate logo. That is classy.

Hmm .. for my first bike-nerd observation, those big things on the front of the engine look like induction for super-chargers. Fething awesome, I love that someone has put such thought into it beyond the aesthetic.

Isn't there a infinity tournament in Spain where Corvus belli will do a seminar like they did at GenCon? i.e reveal new stuff.

There's a tournament in Granada towards the end of the month which will have CB staff in attendance. That's where April's 'huge news' is expected to be announced.

 Micky wrote:
I think i start to understand why there arent oblong/ovoid bases... it would cause a grey area around fitting through doorways, etc. They're standard sizes after all, and an ovoid base shape would kind of be.. two sizes?

Except you currently have that exact issue with the extensions anyways, they're ALREADY oblong bases. Just count the base as the shorter length, since a TAG on a 40mmx70mm pill/oval base could sidestep through a doorway, exactly like they do right now since the extensions get in the way.

People do scenic bases all the time. And some models even come with bases that are much larger than they normally would be, like the Sapper Moblot, the Cateran Sniper, and that other Ariadna guy with the HMG on a big base... can't remember what they're called.

EDIT - ZOUAVE! AHA! Finally. Thanks brain.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I love the soft, subtle assymetry of the Caliphate logo. That is classy.

I find the logo oddly similar to:

 IJW wrote:
There's a tournament in Granada towards the end of the month which will have CB staff in attendance. That's where April's 'huge news' is expected to be announced.

From what someone on the Spanish forum said, Interruptor and Bostria basically flatout said "from the 26th to the 28th" is when they want to announce the news. Does that tournament fall under those dates?

Genuinely asking, I don't follow the tournament dates.

Good if the smoke launchers don't have to be included... kinda clunky, looks like they robbed them off a spesh mahreen to me... which means they probably look ww 1-2 era.

Everything else is stellar though, very nice.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 IJW wrote:
There's a tournament in Granada towards the end of the month which will have CB staff in attendance. That's where April's 'huge news' is expected to be announced.

From what someone on the Spanish forum said, Interruptor and Bostria basically flatout said "from the 26th to the 28th" is when they want to announce the news. Does that tournament fall under those dates?

Genuinely asking, I don't follow the tournament dates.

The tournament is on Saturday 26th. It takes place in a gaming-comic-nerdy stuff-con running both Saturday and Sunday 27th.

Almost 80 players. I can barely find one in my city

Yeah.... I had my wife ask after Infinity at the gamestore about an hour south where she works on occasion, and they thought she was talking about the Disney Infinity thing... at a gamestore! Facepalm, no love for Infinity within an hours drive, at least, the other gamestore is the same.

 GrimDork wrote:
Good if the smoke launchers don't have to be included... kinda clunky, looks like they robbed them off a spesh mahreen to me... which means they probably look ww 1-2 era.

Everything else is stellar though, very nice.

Google Smoke Launchers and check out the images GW copied them from modern tanks. Of course.

Anyway, next week is Santa Semana, and CB will have reduced staff. I'd guess that we won't get any more news until the Granada tournament, although, maybe some more previews of minis right before it, so as to not interfere with the big news...

Maybe Antenociti or Bostria will sneak a few teasers out like the Spitfire Druze.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Good if the smoke launchers don't have to be included... kinda clunky, looks like they robbed them off a spesh mahreen to me... which means they probably look ww 1-2 era.

Everything else is stellar though, very nice.

Google Smoke Launchers and check out the images GW copied them from modern tanks. Of course.

Anyway, next week is Santa Semana, and CB will have reduced staff. I'd guess that we won't get any more news until the Granada tournament, although, maybe some more previews of minis right before it, so as to not interfere with the big news...

Semana Santa we place the words in a different order.

 Erasoketa wrote:
The tournament is on Saturday 26th. It takes place in a gaming-comic-nerdy stuff-con running both Saturday and Sunday 27th.

Almost 80 players. I can barely find one in my city

...And the guys from Beasts of War are going to be there. I mean... they are obviously going to rveal one of the following news:

1) Acheron Falls Book.
2) Infinity RPG book.
3) Aristeia Sports/Game.
4) Infinity 3rd Edition Book.
5) Infinity Videogame.
6) Infinity 15mm. Massive Battle game.
7) Infinity Tabletop Game
8) Infinity Movie... LOL

Man I so want a 15mm larger scale engagement system in the Infinity universe.

I hope it's the Acheron Falls book, or the RPG

ImAGeek wrote:
I hope it's the Acheron Falls book, or the RPG

I hope that the "big news" isn't Acheron Falls...that's not news.

Well, even if that's what current smoke launchers look like... this is Infinity and it's set in the future, those just look too chunky for my taste is all. If they're actually accurate to modern technology, I guess it's a bit better, but I wouldn't put them on myself. But I'm more inclined towards Aragatos anyway.

@Bobbafett Infinity movie, teehee. The RPG or video game could be cool though.

The sad thing is that I know of at least one major game studio that has a decent number of Infinity players in the company and a potential interest in developing a video game based upon Infinity, but they consider Corvus Belli too much of an unknown quantity when it comes to the creative license that the developers would get when creating a game.

Clearly Michael Bay would be a perfect fit for an Infinity film.

Think of the amount of T&A shots he could get.

Megan Fox as Usual McNeil, you know it could happen...

 Erasoketa wrote:

Semana Santa we place the words in a different order.

Oops. I had just been looking at this P&M blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/310208.page Was thinking Santa Claus. No ocurrirá otra vez. se lo aseguro. And, your screen name, Basque?

The movie? I would cast Megan Fox as the ADHL Chasseur ( or chasseuse), or the Caledonian LGL volunteer, to be honest.

The video game... sounds intriguing. But most likely not happening... yet. The news, it'll be about an upcoming release, like the next book or new sectorials.

 GrimDork wrote:
@Bobbafett Infinity movie, teehee. The RPG or video game could be cool though.

Infinity; Ouiaboo edition. Manga would be something down my alley.

 Knight wrote:
As odd it might sound, the previous sculpts might be more detailed. I've put my first Bolts together and found them somehow more cumbersome, problematic fitting and less elegant compared to certain older models, not to mention the scale difference between them. Overall quality of them feels sloppy and rushed, not beating around the bush. Remarkable what difference the finishing touch of a brush can make.

I'm definitely interested in how well the new sculpts will be. It might not be a bad idea to purchase an older model, if you prefer older aesthetic.

It's usual for an 3D sculpt to loose sharpness, i agree that the new bolt are inferior in quality for an infinity standard
let just hope that they will do only 3D sculpt for line troops and TAG ...

those biker might be not 3D sculpt but "traditionnal sculpt"

I thought everything was a 3D sculpt and wasn't suffering because of it? I mean the motat resculpts are amazing.

Hmm, who sculpted which minis? I read a comment from Koni (Carlos Morales) the Production Chief, that CB was currently using a mix of traditional and 3d sculptors. There was a photo floating around of Jose Luis Roig doing some digital sculpting, and he does, or did, all the Pan-O (the Pan-O mechanic is a selfie...)

while the new concept of the moraat is good, the quality is bad.
Most of the stuf that came out since the New 3D era is bad in my opinion, except TAG and other mech ofc,
i had, for exemple, bought both wildcat and bolt; and wildcat are better in all critera, better proportion, better quality of sculpt

CB started with 3D sculpt to make more TAG because old TAG techniques were to dificult/costly to make

i know that most people dont care about quality because its still better than other mini company (GW included) but some are.
in official french forum we are far from all being happy by those changes. And i'm realy suprised that most of the people here seems to be ok with it.

EDIT: I think that the ikadron/imetron is the first infinity mini made with those new 3D modeling tech

 Sangarn wrote:
while the new concept of the moraat is good, the quality is bad.
Most of the stuf that came out since the New 3D era is bad in my opinion, except TAG and other mech ofc,
i had, for exemple, bought both wildcat and bolt; and wildcat are better in all critera, better proportion, better quality of sculpt

CB started with 3D sculpt to make more TAG because old TAG techniques were to dificult/costly to make

i know that most people dont care about quality because its still better than other mini company (GW included) but some are.
in official french forum we are far from all being happy by those changes. And i'm realy suprised that most of the people here seems to be ok with it.

EDIT: I think that the ikadron/imetron is the first infinity mini made with those new 3D modeling tech

Not agree at all with the statement that 3D modelling means bad quality. Not agree at all.

Most of all 3D models from CB have been made by Fausto Gutierrez (Yedharo Models) and also Javier Unrena.

so... 3D models in INFINITY:

O-Yoroi Kidobutai
Raicho
Jotums
Dragao
Geckos
Anaconda
Scarface & Scarface Joe Turner Bootleg Miniature
Iguana & Iguana Operator
Ikadron Batroids & Imetron
Mulebots
YaopuPanguling
Yaoxie Rui Shi & Lu Duan
Penthesilea
Tohaa Chaksas Auxiliars & Servants
Thrasymedes, Lupe Balboa and Marine Engineering Officer from DireFoes: Fleeting Alliance.
Yuriko Oda
Hazmat
Phoenix
Machaon
Raiden Seibutai
ITS Authorized Bounty Hunter
Konstantinos
All the new Morats: Vanguard, Daturazi, Oznat, Sogarat & Raktorak
Neoterra Bolts
New Sun Tze
New Tarik Mansuri
& the New Kum Motorized Troops

I know a few 3D Sculptors and they are sick of the idea that people has about 3D sculpting. It's similar to using photoshop in the 90's for coloring comic books. It is a TOOL, and it is as good as the artists who use it.

If people cannot distinguish a CB 3D miniature from a traditional sculpted miniature, then, CB is doing their 3D stuff correctly.

Exactly!
There are some damn fine models on that list, and comparing them to some of the older ones I've picked up the only difference I have noticed is that the older ones don't go together as well and require more cleaning.

Ok, here we have 2 similar models.
One is made using 3D sculpting and the other one is traditional sculpting.
I want you to tell me wich one is traditonal and wich one is 3D. And if you can't tell, then CB is doing their job right.

1.- Stephen Rao



2.- Kirpal Singh

Nope. If I had to guess I'd say Singh, but then I'm just guessing.

I'd say Rao is the 3D sculpt, but it's still a damn fine model.

 BobbaFett wrote:

so... 3D models in INFINITY:

Tohaa Chaksas Auxiliars & Servants

I love these guys, and had no idea they were digitally sculpted.

3D sculpting is a tool, just like the traditional sculpting tools, the artist behind the tools is what makes a great model or not.

 motyak wrote:
Nope. If I had to guess I'd say Singh, but then I'm just guessing.

I would guess Rao, the sculpt itself seems slightly less 'organic'. But, that is from the perspective of someone who doesn't really know much about the sculpting processes.

They are both bloody nice miniatures though.

I got some nice pictures of some of the (new?) Bandau terrain by the way at Salute, it was very nice! Will post some pics later.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Ok, here we have 2 similar models.
One is made using 3D sculpting and the other one is traditional sculpting.
I want you to tell me wich one is traditonal and wich one is 3D. And if you can't tell, then CB is doing their job right.

Anything painted by giraldez will look good ...

I'm a far worst painter than Giraldez but I can see the diference. For exemple I'm doing a conversion today using the pilote of the anaconda (3D sculpt) and part of the bootleg stuf, well bootleg stuf is quality sculpt not 3D sculpt rounded edge loss of sharpness etc ..
3D sculpt is not bad just less good than traditionnal sculpt
Like i said most people dont care about the quality because they play the game and spend max 3 hours to paint a mini, i'm a painter so I see the diference.

but you cant say 3D sculpt = traditionnal sclupt

I think you can, but then that's the great thing about opinions!

Also, please feel free to start a thread on this subject down in the INFINITY sub-forum as it is a bit off topic here.

Thanks!

 BobbaFett wrote:
...And the guys from Beasts of War are going to be there. I mean... they are obviously going to rveal one of the following news:

1) Acheron Falls Book.
2) Infinity RPG book.
3) Aristeia Sports/Game.
4) Infinity 3rd Edition Book.
5) Infinity Videogame.
6) Infinity 15mm. Massive Battle game.
7) Infinity Tabletop Game
8) Infinity Movie... LOL

Are they? Really? Wow that's awesome, I like their videos and having a quality video of the interesting stuff of the con would be great.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Oops. I had just been looking at this P&M blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/310208.page Was thinking Santa Claus. No ocurrirá otra vez. se lo aseguro. And, your screen name, Basque?

Haha yes, it's Basque. I don't speak Basque actually, but part of my descent is Basque. I wanted a nickname related to a raid so... I chose that. I probably should have chosen anything shorter. Parece que hablas español muy bien

 BobbaFett wrote:
Most of all 3D models from CB have been made by Fausto Gutierrez (Yedharo Models) and also Javier Unrena.

The last name is Javier Ureña. I realize I'm being a bit of a grammar nazi in my latest posts and I'm sorry about that, but if someone is curious to google him to see his work, having the name right would make it easier

Google will find him anyway as it can cope with missing accents. Well worth the look, by the way.

 Sangarn wrote:
but you cant say 3D sculpt = traditionnal sclupt

We are agree to disagree.

3D Sculpting is a tool. Your statement is basically saying that a bad traditional sculpt will be better than an average 3D sculpt and I say it depends on the artist.
The fact that there are lots of bad 3d sculpts out there doesn`t mean that tool is not effective for modelling. That is like saying that photoshop looks too digital back in the 90s. No one would use that argument today.... why? because we've seen lots of stuff done by lots of talented people.

We have been through this before... People saying that digital cameras are worse than photochemical, people saying that a Polaroid SX70 camera is better than a nowadays Nikon 5200... come on! it's just snobby stuff.

I respect traditional sculptors, because of the huge technical skills that traditional sculpt require... but I also have eyes to see that a 3D equally talented artist deserves the same credit for making the same quality sculpting.

I saw a talk the main Dropzone Commander guy was doing about his 3D digital sculpting, walking through how he did it and stuff.

I work in IT, but don't have an artistic bone in my body and I've got to say, god damn that was some scary awesomely difficult stuff. - And that was just a dropship he was doing, not a person.

Digital sculpting really is a darn impressive talent just as much as anything else arty.

Rao is a 3d sculpt, Singh is traditional. Note the weapon size differences. Both are very good minis. If in doubt, look at the metal band that connects the feet. Under strong light at the right angle, you should see the resolution lines of the 3d printing process.



Add the Barid and Treitak Anyat (but not Angus or Bipandra) and the VIP civvie to the 3d list.

@Erasoketa... Erasoka =Attack, Erasoketa = little attack? Yes, Spanish is a useful language to know. And, Grammar Nazi*? So, you're in the Real Academia Española eh?

And before Big A hits me with the Ban Hammer for going OT... We are supposed to get word on these new 55mm bases soon, next week according to Koni. I suspect it in the same category as the Medikit/Doctor combo, or the drop bear mine shooter weapon, ie. a preview of something in the upcoming edition.

*Grammar Hammer is the better term, IMHO.

OK.

Has everyone had their say?

 Alpharius wrote:
I think you can, but then that's the great thing about opinions!

Also, please feel free to start a thread on this subject down in the INFINITY sub-forum as it is a bit off topic here.

Thanks!

Probably not, but AGAIN, take it somewhere else.

Thanks!

Someone was saying about the replacement of the old Kum bikers, and one pose in particular. Remembered this comic strip from the Infinity forums !

Miniature Market Deal of the day

Dire Foes 2 $15 (RRP $38)

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/cvb282003-0443.html

Must resist impulse buy don't have the moneys!

Just in time for the Game of Thrones series return.

Edit: Also sold out.

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
Must resist impulse buy don't have the moneys!

Resistance is futile: http://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures.html

New Morat Vanguard options.

And I was just saying to my buddy last night that if the next CA release was more Morats I was done for as far as resisting starting the faction...

Alas, poor wallet I knew you well.

Those do look fairly awesome.

Amazing. I'll be getting one of those sooner or later.

YES
I have been waiting for new morats with weapon options for what feels like forever (although is realy probably only like 3 months).

The Morats redesign has turned out to be more than mere fantastic, with each release.

The Morat re-launch is a stunning success. They look like quite the collection of professional killers.

Now, Two blisters (Druze Spitfire and Clipsos sniper?) and the huge news to go.

Very nice, just recently picked up the Morat starter so hopefully these should come out when I am done painting those.

A screen-grab of the weapon options, for those who got it completely wrong (like I did)! Like the CA HMG, and the fact that it's obviously using a different form of tech to its human-built counterpart

... Oh my...

I need those.

I need them now.

I know exactly what you mean.

And the list of Infinity models I would like to buy and paint goes up to ... I don't even want to work it out.

I've had to make a conscious effort to not buy all infinity models I like, because it started getting too expensive.

Luckily I'm selling all my GW stuff so my only decision is whether to buy more FA or Infinity (or a car! lol).

It's time too. I'm fairly confident I could have redecorated half my house in the time I spent on my first 15 Infinity minis.

 Darkjim wrote:
It's time too. I'm fairly confident I could have redecorated half my house in the time I spent on my first 15 Infinity minis.

Yep, I want to go buy three more armies, I could justify buying three more armies to myself, but I already have enough stuff on my painting backlog that it would just be unfair to all those poor models that will be sitting in boxes.

I dunno guys, I find that the newer Morat sculpts are just way too sexualized and beefy. They give the impression all aliens are bodybuilding red faced killer monkeys, and that's just not fair!

...I am reeeeeally inclined to make that Morat Aggression Force now. I love the way the weapons on those guys look! My poor engineers with MK12's are gonna look tiny next to these guys.

How the hell do they stuff one of those dudes into a Raichu? Mebbe the Raichu has Zerat pilot? (Future bootleg model incoming).

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:


How the hell do they stuff one of those dudes into a Raichu? Mebbe the Raichu has Zerat pilot? (Future bootleg model incoming).

Short pedantic answer?

They don't!

All joking aside, I do love the new Morats, but yeah, they've clearly started getting into alien steroids of some sort!

Indeed. I'm okay with this though. I always imagined a badass warrior culture to tend to be on the big side after all.

And they are 'Vanguard'... so I think it fits pretty well.

I'm just wondering what I'm going to paint them...

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I dunno guys, I find that the newer Morat sculpts are just way too sexualized and beefy. They give the impression all aliens are bodybuilding red faced killer monkeys, and that's just not fair!

...I am reeeeeally inclined to make that Morat Aggression Force now. I love the way the weapons on those guys look! My poor engineers with MK12's are gonna look tiny next to these guys.

How the hell do they stuff one of those dudes into a Raichu? Mebbe the Raichu has Zerat pilot? (Future bootleg model incoming).

All the pilots (regular and bootleg, except Scarface/Joe Turner) seem to be female, so a zerat pilot is probably correct, and would be small enough to fit into the Raicho. The Oznat may be a preview of the sort of bootleg it would be.

Well, I think at this point I'm ready to consider my old Morats an entirely different species. Any thoughts on a name?

 Barzam wrote:
Well, I think at this point I'm ready to consider my old Morats an entirely different species. Any thoughts on a name?

'The Morat Passive-Aggression Force'.

Or the Passé Morat Aggression Force?

 Alpharius wrote:
Or the Passé Morat Aggression Force?

Pygmy Morat Aggression Force?

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Or the Passé Morat Aggression Force?

Pygmy Morat Aggression Force?

I like that one!

All kidding aside, my old Morats are probably never going to see the table again!

My search-fu is pretty weak - does anyone have a picture of one of the new Morats alongside some regular troops from another faction? I'm trying to get a sense of how much taller and bulkier they are.

They definitely don't look like light infantry anymore.

Lessats?

 jonolikespie wrote:


They definitely don't look like light infantry anymore.

To be fair they never really did. That metro only comes up to shoulder height on the original vanguards as well. The original vanguard were always taller and bulkier than other LI models.

 jonolikespie wrote:
They definitely don't look like light infantry anymore.

Perfect, thanks! Guess it's time to see if Shae has a spare Morat Vanguard

Well they look like Light Infantry compared to their own range.

What can we say Morats work out a lot.

I'm just glad that they didn't also pull a 'Mantic Skip Leg Day' on us!

Obviously, Morats know that you never skip leg day.

But, were they in fact there, when the brains were handed out?

Did you see that size comparison? They can comfortably beat up anyone smarter than them

C'mon people, everybody knows the Morats 'juice'. Bananas are for sissies. Real Murder Monkeys use 'roids

I'm guessing we get the final previews tuesday? Then finally the Huge News on the 26th-27th. I'll have to f5 over at the Spanish forum then...

 Red Harvest wrote:
C'mon people, everybody knows the Morats 'juice'. Bananas are for sissies. Real Murder Monkeys use 'roids

I'm guessing we get the final previews tuesday? Then finally the Huge News on the 26th-27th. I'll have to f5 over at the Spanish forum then...

Just in time for my birthday. Most excellent.

In today's Weekender BoW guys have confirmed they are attending the big Infinity event in Spain next week. Hopefully we will have a nice video.

I've watched last GenCon's conference a couple of times, I love that kind of videos :3

 Red Harvest wrote:
C'mon people, everybody knows the Morats 'juice'. Bananas are for sissies. Real Murder Monkeys use 'roids

I'm guessing we get the final previews tuesday? Then finally the Huge News on the 26th-27th. I'll have to f5 over at the Spanish forum then...

We've already gotten all the previews barring the Clipsos.

 Erasoketa wrote:
In today's Weekender BoW guys have confirmed they are attending the big Infinity event in Spain next week. Hopefully we will have a nice video.

I've watched last GenCon's conference a couple of times, I love that kind of videos :3

Yes their shows are nothing if enthusiastic, definitely looking forward to the coverage.

What are the odds on what the new announcement is going to be? Some kind of interior battles system along with new terrain? New book?

 Pacific wrote:

 Erasoketa wrote:
In today's Weekender BoW guys have confirmed they are attending the big Infinity event in Spain next week. Hopefully we will have a nice video.

I've watched last GenCon's conference a couple of times, I love that kind of videos :3

Yes their shows are nothing if enthusiastic, definitely looking forward to the coverage.

What are the odds on what the new announcement is going to be? Some kind of interior battles system along with new terrain? New book?

With BoW being a self funding and very small operation, it must be a major announcement to warrant them going to Spain. Whether they or Corvus Belli are funding the trip, it isn't an expense either company would take on just for some terrain.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Erasoketa wrote:
In today's Weekender BoW guys have confirmed they are attending the big Infinity event in Spain next week. Hopefully we will have a nice video.

I've watched last GenCon's conference a couple of times, I love that kind of videos :3

Yes their shows are nothing if enthusiastic, definitely looking forward to the coverage.

What are the odds on what the new announcement is going to be? Some kind of interior battles system along with new terrain? New book?

With BoW being a self funding and very small operation, it must be a major announcement to warrant them going to Spain. Whether they or Corvus Belli are funding the trip, it isn't an expense either company would take on just for some terrain.

Agreed!

I'm getting rather excited now - it is only about a week away, and with BoW in attendance, we should have some decent coverage and, more importantly, Pics!

Honestly I have no idea at all. Maybe a new book (to be pre-released at GenCon? Because that's what most of us is expecting for the next book), maybe a new deal with a third party to develope a different kind of product... or maybe they are making another line like Dire Foes and Bootleg. They have talked before about "battle ravage", as in minis showing battle damage.

Or maybe they are not presenting a particular product and just want to clarify what's going to be happening from now until the release of the next book.

It's all speculation...

Battle ravage will be just another themed bootleg release, when it happens.

That sounds very cool! Imagining some diorama with a TAG that's been badly damaged, and the crew member having jumped out and inspecting it (or having a sit down or something!)

Well you already have this, admittedly Scarface took a bit more drastic course.

 Erasoketa wrote:
Honestly I have no idea at all. Maybe a new book (to be pre-released at GenCon? Because that's what most of us is expecting for the next book), maybe a new deal with a third party to develope a different kind of product... or maybe they are making another line like Dire Foes and Bootleg. They have talked before about "battle ravage", as in minis showing battle damage.

Or maybe they are not presenting a particular product and just want to clarify what's going to be happening from now until the release of the next book.

It's all speculation...

It is only an 8 hour drive from Pamplona to Granada.... just sayin'

BoW might be there because quite a bit is going on. FicZone is more than just an Infinity Event. But BoW is on very good terms with CB so I expect good coverage.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Erasoketa wrote:
Honestly I have no idea at all. Maybe a new book (to be pre-released at GenCon? Because that's what most of us is expecting for the next book), maybe a new deal with a third party to develope a different kind of product... or maybe they are making another line like Dire Foes and Bootleg. They have talked before about "battle ravage", as in minis showing battle damage.

Or maybe they are not presenting a particular product and just want to clarify what's going to be happening from now until the release of the next book.

It's all speculation...

It is only an 8 hour drive from Pamplona to Granada.... just sayin'

BoW might be there because quite a bit is going on. FicZone is more than just an Infinity Event. But BoW is on very good terms with CB so I expect good coverage.

I've done that drive before, and it's not exactly my idea of a nice journey xD I'd rather read the comments, see the pics and watch the videos. Or go by train, but I can't afford it.

Interesting comment on the Antenociti LifeInvader page, quite possibly relevant!

Booked-in a new 3d Designers over the weekend for around a dozen new civilian vehicles of various types, sizes and degrees of "sci-fi-ness"... which frees up Jed to concentrate on developing scenery for " a certain game".
Meaning that Jed's been working on 25mm, 40mm and 5mm bases over the weekend, plus more scenery scatter items for sci-fi tables.. you can never have too much scatter.
On top of that we will soon be releasing some new fantasy sets for interior and exterior detailing, as well as some resin house kits... expect more and more detailed news once the website and blog have been fully updated.

Seems relevant to me!

oops double post.

Antenocitis workshop are gearing up for their kickstarter. It is to fund Infinity civilian vehicles. They are also releasing 3 faction specific dropships. They are just finalising the design of these with Corvus Belli. Their terrain prototypes looked amazing and there is more of that to come.

Ooooh, that's good news! Thanks for posting that titbit

 bantha_beast wrote:
oops double post.

Everyone gets caught by this at least once.. if you double post, just leave them and then one of them will vanish under mysterious circumstances later on.

 Pacific wrote:
Ooooh, that's good news! Thanks for posting that titbit

No probs I spoke to them at Salute and they were very excited about this year and their involvement with Infinity.

Any idea which 3 factions? Or if there will be accompanying rules?

I might have to back an AW ks, break from those or not. Interesting.

3 Factions only?

I'd guess:

1) PanO
2) Yu Jing (MAYBE Aleph)
3) Combined Army (just because)

I'm pretty sure PanO will be in, yeah. (Also: yay!)
Combined would be... interesting. I'd expect a specific morat ship with all the love they've been getting rather than a "generic" CA ship (if that could even be a thing, given how diverse the faction is).

Aleph would probably just use ships from an aleph-aligned faction, right?

Also, where are Nomads on that list - if anything, they ought to get one!

http://infinitythegame.com/foro/index.php?/topic/10145-peanas-nueva-normativa-oficial/

News regarding bases>

The following models change from 40mm to 55m bases:

Yaoxie
Yáopú Pangguling
Kum, Pentesilea, Aragotos, Asuka Kisaragi
Traktor Mul
Mulebots
Armbots: Bulleteer
Armbots: Peacemaker
Kameel
Salyut Zonds
Tsyklon Sputnik
Lunokhod Sputnik
Probots
All TAGs except Maghriba, Gecko and Sphinx

I asked what the factions would be. He wouldn't tell me but I had a guess anyway. I guessed Pan-O, Yu-Jing and Aleph. He said I got 2 out of 3. Which ain't bad.
I asked about rules and he would only smile and say that "Corvus Belli are intending to move the game on." Now I'm not saying that we are about to get a load of vehicle rules, but I just got the sense that something is gonna happen that is a bit of a shake up. I just don't know what. The guy was excited though

 Alkasyn wrote:
http://infinitythegame.com/foro/index.php?/topic/10145-peanas-nueva-normativa-oficial/

News regarding bases>

The following models change from 40mm to 55m bases:

Yaoxie
Yáopú Pangguling
Kum, Pentesilea, Aragotos, Asuka Kisaragi
Traktor Mul
Mulebots
Armbots: Bulleteer
Armbots: Peacemaker
Kameel
Salyut Zonds
Tsyklon Sputnik
Lunokhod Sputnik
Probots
All TAGs except Maghriba, Gecko and Sphinx

There's more than just that though.

-Big "Human" miniatures (like Ayax or Tarik): 40mm Base
Also, with the April news, we'll launch 3 new products:



-Blister with 20 x 25mm Bases 3.50€

-Blister with 5 x 40mm Bases 3.50€

-Blister with 5 x 55mm Bases 3.50€

Well people wanted base extensions to go away.

CB delivered.

I'm going to need to get quite a few bases...

.... remarkable coincidence but i spent a part of this easter weekend making 3 new ranges of bases all of which just happen to have 55mm sized bases in them....

fancy that eh?

At 5mm difference, I suspect you might be able to use any left over 40k dread/monstrous creature bases you have.

Antenociti just dropped news that they're working on 8 drop ship concepts...

Guess how many factions there are in INFINITY?

(Not counting MERCS!)

Fourteen? I am glad to hear about the drop ships and not just the Adrian Monk in me was starting to be bothered by the drop ship thread title but no drop ships for over a year!

Smart-Ass Alert!

Nomads
PanO
Yu Jing
Combined Army
Haqqislam
Ariadna
Tohaa
Aleph

The poor sectorials will just have to bum a ride on their Parent's Dropship!

55mm bases huh? Wonder if litko or similar make clear acrylics in that size.

Alkasyn wrote:http://infinitythegame.com/foro/index.php?/topic/10145-peanas-nueva-normativa-oficial/

News regarding bases>

The following models change from 40mm to 55m bases:

Yaoxie
Yáopú Pangguling
Kum, Pentesilea, Aragotos, Asuka Kisaragi
Traktor Mul
Mulebots
Armbots: Bulleteer
Armbots: Peacemaker
Kameel
Salyut Zonds
Tsyklon Sputnik
Lunokhod Sputnik
Probots
All TAGs except Maghriba, Gecko and Sphinx

...facists! I suffer all the more!

Alpharius wrote:Smart-Ass Alert!

Nomads
PanO
Yu Jing
Combined Army
Haqqislam
Ariadna
Tohaa
Aleph

The poor sectorials will just have to bum a ride on their Parent's Dropship!

And I had been so good about saving money. I WAS DOING SO WELL.

Mulebot, Peacemaker and Bulleteer on 55mm? I am not amused...

they've already clarified we *don't* have to rebase our existing collection - the 40mm's will stay ITS legal on those.

energongoodie wrote:
I asked what the factions would be. He wouldn't tell me but I had a guess anyway. I guessed Pan-O, Yu-Jing and Aleph. He said I got 2 out of 3. Which ain't bad.
I asked about rules and he would only smile and say that "Corvus Belli are intending to move the game on." Now I'm not saying that we are about to get a load of vehicle rules, but I just got the sense that something is gonna happen that is a bit of a shake up. I just don't know what. The guy was excited though

Those pure expeculations collide with what Corvus Belli has been saying in many events about vehicles for the last 2 years.
They tested a first alpha version, it did'nt work for them, they leave those rules aside. They do not want Vehicles to behave like TAGs in the game. So no vehicles for Infinity.
Vehicles are bikes. Vehicles are dropships. That stuff alreayd exists in Infinity.

I'll be quite surprised if big Tanks or Trucks suddenly appear in the Infinity rules. I think that we are NOT going to see that this year or even next year.

55mm is kind of odd, I wish they'd gone with 50!

Or 60 maybe? I just hope I can find clear acrylics at that size. And I *just* bent the legs on my Lunokhod to fit a 40mm too.

 BobbaFett wrote:

energongoodie wrote:
I asked what the factions would be. He wouldn't tell me but I had a guess anyway. I guessed Pan-O, Yu-Jing and Aleph. He said I got 2 out of 3. Which ain't bad.
I asked about rules and he would only smile and say that "Corvus Belli are intending to move the game on." Now I'm not saying that we are about to get a load of vehicle rules, but I just got the sense that something is gonna happen that is a bit of a shake up. I just don't know what. The guy was excited though

Those pure expeculations collide with what Corvus Belli has been saying in many events about vehicles for the last 2 years.
They tested a first alpha version, it did'nt work for them, they leave those rules aside. They do not want Vehicles to behave like TAGs in the game. So no vehicles for Infinity.
Vehicles are bikes. Vehicles are dropships. That stuff alreayd exists in Infinity.

I'll be quite surprised if big Tanks or Trucks suddenly appear in the Infinity rules. I think that we are NOT going to see that this year or even next year.

I wonder though if we might see Dropships used as some objective type element, or as part of scenarios? I don't for one moment think we are going to see some mega-powerful flier dropping pie-plate templates and practically auto-killing the units they hit - I would expect something for more measured and subtle.

They're dropships used for SpecOps in civilian areas, not bombercraft used for leveling battlefields.

Similar to how we have Mechanized Deployment as a rare yet abstract special rule in the game, the dropships could be used as a sort of moving or placed terrain. They'd also be a great scenario objective.

With regards to them being active pieces on the table, they don't have to behave like TAGs.

For example, once 'dropped', they could be stationary or otherwise quite slow, but equipped with very basic weaponry. Instead of directly firing, they could place a sort of suppression marker, that works like Suppression Fire but instead of being a line of suppression, this being a circular zone of suppression. This would give them more of an area denial role than a direct offensive role.

There's ways to make them an active model without making them dominate the board just because they're a dropship.

That said, I'd prefer to see them limited to scenarios. I loved the concept behind the Kill the Tank scenario. Similar type objectives using dropships would be great - especially if they were tailored to each faction. For example, a Haqqislam scenario where you need to get a civilian to a drop ship. Maybe give Odalisques a bonus if they are the ones that synchronise with them to get them to the dropship.

 -Loki- wrote:
With regards to them being active pieces on the table, they don't have to behave like TAGs.

For example, once 'dropped', they could be stationary or otherwise quite slow, but equipped with very basic weaponry. Instead of directly firing, they could place a sort of suppression marker, that works like Suppression Fire but instead of being a line of suppression, this being a circular zone of suppression. This would give them more of an area denial role than a direct offensive role.

There's ways to make them an active model without making them dominate the board just because they're a dropship.

While "it could be done" sounds great... but this game seems so delicate.... just by allowing big pieces of terrain fall from the sky wherever the players wants, blocking line of fire, that completely changes the whole basic mechanics of the current ITS missions beign played right now.

I'll just simply use dropships to cut line of fire, making an expensive enemy sniper completely unuseful. It touches the delicate balance of this game.

 -Loki- wrote:
With regards to them being active pieces on the table, they don't have to behave like TAGs.

For example, once 'dropped', they could be stationary or otherwise quite slow, but equipped with very basic weaponry. Instead of directly firing, they could place a sort of suppression marker, that works like Suppression Fire but instead of being a line of suppression, this being a circular zone of suppression. This would give them more of an area denial role than a direct offensive role.

There's ways to make them an active model without making them dominate the board just because they're a dropship.

Yeah thats pretty much exactly how I think they will work, and if the new book contains rules for any other vehicles as part of the new campaign system or as standalone rules for use in all games, I expect they will work that way too. An abstraction of it's primary purpose instead of a representation of everything it could do.

Edit: But more likely it will serve as a mobile spawning point for reserves, where you might only be able to disembark passengers at the start of each turn at it's current location and if it gets destroyed, everyone still on board is KIA

 GrimDork wrote:
Or 60 maybe? I just hope I can find clear acrylics at that size. And I *just* bent the legs on my Lunokhod to fit a 40mm too.

I'm sure some of the clear acrylic base makers will add 55mm now that Infinity needs them, although you may need to wait a bit (

 BobbaFett wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
With regards to them being active pieces on the table, they don't have to behave like TAGs.

For example, once 'dropped', they could be stationary or otherwise quite slow, but equipped with very basic weaponry. Instead of directly firing, they could place a sort of suppression marker, that works like Suppression Fire but instead of being a line of suppression, this being a circular zone of suppression. This would give them more of an area denial role than a direct offensive role.

There's ways to make them an active model without making them dominate the board just because they're a dropship.

While "it could be done" sounds great... but this game seems so delicate.... just by allowing big pieces of terrain fall from the sky wherever the players wants, blocking line of fire, that completely changes the whole basic mechanics of the current ITS missions beign played right now.

I can't see how they have to block LoS. They're dropships. They don't have to land. They can drop, and the unit inside deploys by chute or rope or whatever sci fi convention you want to throw in. After that, they'd still be flying, so they wouldn't be blocking LoS unless you're on a pretty tall building. That is assuming they are on something like a flying base.

 -Loki- wrote:
I can't see how they have to block LoS. They're dropships. They don't have to land. They can drop, and the unit inside deploys by chute or rope or whatever sci fi convention you want to throw in. After that, they'd still be flying, so they wouldn't be blocking LoS unless you're on a pretty tall building. That is assuming they are on something like a flying base.

Then.... the dropships wont be on the table.... then why bother buying one of those dropships?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Don't get me wrong.

Oh, what if the new campaign rules feature games where each mission features two tables with objectives that must be complete on both.. and with each force split between the two tables, the dropship is the only way to move troops between them..

What sort of monster would choose to not buy a dropship?

 BobbaFett wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I can't see how they have to block LoS. They're dropships. They don't have to land. They can drop, and the unit inside deploys by chute or rope or whatever sci fi convention you want to throw in. After that, they'd still be flying, so they wouldn't be blocking LoS unless you're on a pretty tall building. That is assuming they are on something like a flying base.

Then.... the dropships wont be on the table.... then why bother buying one of those dropships?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Don't get me wrong.

When did I say they won't be on the table? They're be on a base with a clear stick that raises them above the ground. A flying base. So you wouldn't be blocking LoS, but like I mentioned earlier, may have other abilities.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful either - but I don't see why people keep assuming the sky is falling with the mere mention of CB adding anything to Infinity. Yes, it's a game with delicate balance. Guess who achieved that balance? Corvus Belli. Guess who plays their own game in a competitive setting very regularly? Corvus Belli. Some of their studio members tour tournaments and take part more than the Foo Fighters tour. Look at the Bolts - they didn't release their mine launcher profile because they didn't want to upset ITS 2014, by releasing a profile that likely requires counters that are in the same book.

They know their game. They know the games balance, because they achieved it and play the game. They know the balance they achieved is a big reason why people play this game. People shouldn't be afraid of them breaking the balance by adding something new. They - demonstrably - know what they are doing. If they say they want to 'move forward with the rules' and are showing off Dropships, the logical conclusion should be, after looking at how lovingly they treat the game and its balance, that they've taken a very considered approach to how they want to do it without breaking the games balance.

 plastictrees wrote:
What sort of monster would choose to not buy a dropship?

The sort who would scratch-build his own. But then there may be conversion possibilities too...

OTOH, Antenocitis make excellent stuff, so I for one really want to see these dropships. And the interior scatter mentioned on the FB page... although I got the impression it might only be for fantasy based stuff... interior detailing it said.

Um, there's already rules amd stats for dropships in the main rulebook. Why is this an issue?

Besides, Hellcats gotta jump out of something, right? And just what are those Halqa deploying from? I can't be the only person who thinks it would be fun to actually utilize those vehicles.

 Bolognesus wrote:
they've already clarified we *don't* have to rebase our existing collection - the 40mm's will stay ITS legal on those.

I'm more concerned how Mules will look on 55mm. They fit perfectly on 40mm. I suppose you could make room or remove extensions for the special REM.

-Loki- wrote:Look at the Bolts - they didn't release their mine launcher profile because they didn't want to upset ITS 2014, by releasing a profile that likely requires counters that are in the same book.

They were awfully confidant about ITS 2014, something that persists to be a rather controversial issue. My perception also lead me to believe that overall people prefer to play YAMS, something I personally do not consider to be very fun and very monotone, yet concede that it is more balanced. PanO is consequently stuck with a second (third, if you count Bolt/special weapon box) release that effectively does nothing to the army, however we are paying darn pretty schillings for units that simply don't do anything. We're left with, "it will make sense in the future".

Simply put it, I am loosing faith in Corvus Belli. They are eager to spike certain areas, while leaving others dry. Perhaps they know more rabid fanboys will relish the chance to defend them.

I am not certain I follow your logic, care to elaborate?



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On another note

Those paints are remarkably poor for official Infinity ones (not actually bad if you see what I mean)

have they replaced their studio painter?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those paints are remarkably poor for official Infinity ones (not actually bad if you see what I mean)

have they replaced their studio painter?

No. He has an 'apprentice" for all intents and purposes, who is copying Angel's paintjobs and techniques but still has his own style.

I think they look gorgeous. That Clipsos is fantastic.

They have a trainee painter now.

I agree wrt MULs; complaining we don't get enough fancy toys however - naah. We're perfectly competitive (unless you want to try playjng ASA or MO in ITS but that's not new) and a few 'delayed effect' releases won't change that.

Another Clipsos, nice!

I'm wondering if there's anything big (like a box set) coming for Tohaa this year, or all blisters from now on... have to plan out a commission job, as I have a friend painting mine

There's nothing left for Tohaa that would take a box, so unless we get an early release from the next book Tohaa only have a few blisters left to release.

Okay makes sense. Is it known when the next book is coming?

 -Loki- wrote:
There's nothing left for Tohaa that would take a box, so unless we get an early release from the next book Tohaa only have a few blisters left to release.

Sakiel have enough to release to justify a box. There are none of the "Combi Rifle" profiles as models, just Spitfire(blister) and Viral Combi Rifle(starter box exclusive).


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 RiTides wrote:
Okay makes sense. Is it known when the next book is coming?

Next year.

The paint on the Druze's armor looks really chunky. Might just be the extreme colse-up but I don't think I've ever found anything to be critical of on other CB minis.

The problem with a Sakiel box is it will basically be 'LRL and 3 combi rifles'. That doesn't make a very exciting box, but Sakiels do seem to be popular. I guess they could spice it up with a nullifier model and one with a sidearm or melee weapon. But they're definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel concerning Tohaa. There's just not much left to release.

On the Clipsos... Eeeh. Not a huge fan. It's definitely not bad, but I was expecting another dynamic pose like the starter Clipsos. Absolutely love the Druze and Kum though. They'll be going in the collection for sure.

 -Loki- wrote:
The problem with a Sakiel box is it will basically be 'LRL and 3 combi rifles'. That doesn't make a very exciting box, but Sakiels do seem to be popular. I guess they could spice it up with a nullifier model and one with a sidearm or melee weapon. But they're definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel concerning Tohaa. There's just not much left to release.

There is a ton of stuff still to release. There's still no Vulkan Shotgun Ectros, no Boarding Shotgun or Combi Rifle Gao-Rael, no Combi Rifle Sakiels, etc.

On the Clipsos... Eeeh. Not a huge fan. It's definitely not bad, but I was expecting another dynamic pose like the starter Clipsos. Absolutely love the Druze and Kum though. They'll be going in the collection for sure.

Dynamic doesn't mean that the model needs to be acrobatic or in some absurd pose. It's not hard to imagine that the Clipsos Sniper is surveying an area for a shot or something of that nature.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am not certain I follow your logic, care to elaborate?

What is there to elaborate? Paradiso introduced Geckos (amazing TAG), Haris (Haqqislam), new unique fire teams (Steel Phalanx, Tohaa), marksman rifle (Ariadna) and new rather standard, yet interesting units. How can anyone claim it is fine to release units that do not offer anything to a player, but on the other hand have something that is simply game changing ? If we buy the pretence of "not currently compatible with the game", why was there a rush to release them at all ? It just blows my mind when people claim Corvus Belli is somehow infallible and always delivers. Was I imagining the debate on the new cast technique that was only few pages back? Am I imagining that no one is playing Paradiso missions, even though it is relatively fresh release?


PS: Accidentally clicked on Exalt. Apologies.

 Knight wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am not certain I follow your logic, care to elaborate?

What is there to elaborate? Paradiso introduced Geckos (amazing TAG)

Not really as amazing as some people like to suggest they are. Are they good? Certainly...but they're still pretty damn expensive points wise and pay out the nose for weapons that are primarily infantry stuff.

Haris (Haqqislam)

Haris existed before Paradiso.

new unique fire teams (Steel Phalanx, Tohaa)

Which all have some kind of downside. Steel Phalanx can only make their Link Teams with a character that has Enomotarchos. To give an example, the only group you are really going to be making Enomotarchos teams with are going to be Myrmidons since they can use Myrmidon Officers or the named characters(barring Atalanta, Diomedes, Achilles, and Penthesilea).

The Tohaa Triads can never be more than 3 models(the downside) but can be a mixture of units(ex: a Gao-Rael, Kamael, and Sakiel; three Gao-Raels or three Kamael or three Sakiel).

marksman rifle (Ariadna)

Which is also going to be making an appearance with new units for the upcoming book. Svalarheima and Tien Shan are pretty much guaranteed to be getting them for the Nisses and Gŭiláng unit types.

and new rather standard, yet interesting units.

Which primarily went to subfactions that were lacking anything really approaching "variety".

How can anyone claim it is fine to release units that do not offer anything to a player, but on the other hand have something that is simply game changing ? If we buy the pretence of "not currently compatible with the game", why was there a rush to release them at all?

Probably because Neoterra was a faction that basically had one or two "lists" that would get used. Bolts are new and primarily intended for that subfaction.

It just blows my mind when people claim Corvus Belli is somehow infallible and always delivers. Was I imagining the debate on the new cast technique that was only few pages back?

I think you are imagining some kind of debate on the "new cast technique". If you're referring to 3D sculpting etc...that's a different barrel of monkeys.

Am I imagining that no one is playing Paradiso missions, even though it is relatively fresh release?

Your meta might vary.

Well I still do not get you.

What issue you have with the releases? you seem to be quite happy about the units you described, or you mean something about the Bolts?

Then yes CB had to deliver another unit for Neotera, even if it is released not in its full potential, I would not ask you to buy the excuse, its not something I would try to sell to you, it is what it is, if you do not believe it, I am afraid, there is nothing I can do to persuade you other than say you it is as they say.

Now the different weapons size is indeed odd, Paradiso missions I do not get you? they are campaign system, while ITS is far better for stand alone games.

Haris existed before Paradiso.

Did it? Please, refresh my memory.

Which all have some kind of downside.

They do. Lack of infiltrators also hurt them. Tohaa have their weaknesses too. But Corvus introduced something new to the game, why Bolts or Bipandra cannot fall in the same reasoning? They have live data base for rules, I simply cannot buy the pretence it is because they aren't willing to offset the meta. Unless the expansion is bigger and more complex than I give them credit for.

Probably because Neoterra was a faction that basically had one or two "lists" that would get used. Bolts are new and primarily intended for that subfaction.

Though it remains a controversial issue, as Fusiliers do their role, only cheaper and could continue to do so until the new expansion. I'm aware your stance on them. Bipandra also fits in the MO.

Your meta might vary.

Apparently very much.

I agree with Knight here; there's no real use for Bolts how they're currently written. The missile launcher is fun, but any list that can take the FUS ML which is significantly cheaper and nearly as good.

I buy them to paint, since I like the models and play NCA, but I can't imagine actually fielding them as themselves until some significant change in their usefulness occurs.

 Knight wrote:

Haris existed before Paradiso.

Did it? Please, refresh my memory.

I was kinda/sorta right. It got introduced before Paradiso, but it was not until Paradiso that the rules were published in a book.

Which all have some kind of downside.

They do. Lack of infiltrators also hurt them. Tohaa have their weaknesses too. But Corvus introduced something new to the game, why Bolts or Bipandra cannot fall in the same reasoning? They have live data base for rules, I simply cannot buy the pretence it is because they aren't willing to offset the meta. Unless the expansion is bigger than I give them credit for.

It's not a question of the meta but also the core mechanics and ITS.

And the expansion is bigger than you're giving them credit for. This isn't Campaign Paradiso sized, it's Human Sphere sized.

Probably because Neoterra was a faction that basically had one or two "lists" that would get used. Bolts are new and primarily intended for that subfaction.

Though it remains a controversial issue, as Fusiliers do their role, only cheaper and could continue to do so until the new expansion. I'm aware your stance on them.

Fusiliers might do their role, but Fusiliers are also AVA 5 in Neoterra. while Bolts are AVA Total.

What you need to understand is that Corvus Belli's original design idea for the PanO Sectorials is that each of the Sectorials was going to have some kind of "unique Fusilier" type while Fusiliers were going to be secondary.
Auxilia were the original attempt at that...but clearly they did not work too well as an option.

Bipandra also fits in the MO.

Yeah, which is just bizarre.

TBH an added weapon option or two (along with new sculpts - sticking spec ops helmets on old fusiliers makes for an improvement and that's saying something!) would make auxilia very, very interesting.

Would it make them even better than they are now? Meh, I know they're pretty damn good as is but they only get so good up close - that flamebot is nasty. giving the aux a longer ranged weapon (preferably something with an 8" or even 12" minimum to their optimum range band) means either the gun is useful, or the flamebot - not both.
up close, a CR beats an HMG nine times out of ten, for example (and never mind an MSR!).

Bolts being MI with some goodies means they will inherently never be a FUS alternative - too expensive!
They're similar to Bagh-Mari, not FUS/AR.
outside of CA/Aleph I'm not ever taking a ~20pts ordermonkey...

Bolts hacker as a premium hacker? They have -6 BTS. Got that subpar PanO WIP but they should have the advantage in FtF.

Kamau (cheaper with WIP 13, rifle, 4-4) and NeoTerra has Deva with amazing WIP 15 and BTS -3 for few points more. Bolt hacker is likely to be a second pick, if you're going with something like Fusiliers, MSV deva and few Bolts with heavy weapons.

I am going to proxy them as Kamau until the new book.

 Knight wrote:
Unless the expansion is bigger and more complex than I give them credit for.

You should wait and see the results before you give your hypothetical credit.

CB never let us down, always rectified mistakes they did and as past experiences have shown, there are always reasons behind decisions.

I agree with Knight and Bolognesus

Bipandra and Bolt are for me a sad joke (without speeking of the bad overall quality of the bolt, that i've already spoken about)
rulewise they are here just to sit and wait for the next book
and this make no sense from an business point of view and from an gamedesigner point of view

not one min/maxed list will field them, maybe funlist, because you can like the mini but that all.
neotera need cheap fireteam to go with its expenssive toy (suiss guard - aquila - TAG) and cheap specialsit for objectives, for those two roles fusilliers are better
the only thing I could think of is the need of more than 5 troops, there i could fiels bolt after fusilliers but:
who play 2 group list in neoterra ? Who need a second fireteam in neoterra ?

About the recent news: it seems that Giraldez only paint the Kum riders and maybe some free hand (the clipsos free hand is fabulous) because the level is very low (druze and morat)

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Knight wrote:
Unless the expansion is bigger and more complex than I give them credit for.

You should wait and see the results before you give your hypothetical credit.

CB never let us down, always rectified mistakes they did and as past experiences have shown, there are always reasons behind decisions.

I guess you'll need to define "us". I sure do not consider Bipandra and Bolts an example of a good practice. ITS is another case, yes, we're not a big community, however I much prefer to play rules someone else has written (based on Dire Foes missions). I think another part of community prefers YAMS. Inconsistency between models (mainly scales between old and new models, as well as the price on new Morat starter), bases (now, I consider it rather minor thing). I do love what CB is producing and they are still a company I hold in high regard, however there simply are areas where I find them making unneeded discord. I simply cannot stand still on certain issues I find them to be false, even, if "it's your (my) meta, not CB".

Yah as a new NeoTerra player; the bolts profile brings nothing but a tear down one's eye.
Storm, I think you may be fighting an uphill battle. The bolts in context to the options available for NeoTerra players is depressing given the quality of the models.
I for one (like many) made the decision to purchased them without hesitation based on the quality of the models alone, but it certainly doesn't excuse the profile given and the "you'll just have to wait and hope for better next time" treatment. I think let's be honest and call "a spade, a spade" it was a mistake on CB's part to release them without any meaningful purpose to the options already available to NeoTerra players. Fusiliers will always win out time and time again if you want to run a link team; hacker? the deva will certainly win out... it's just frustrating....

back to news and rumors any word on the 'big' april annoucement? (or was that the base change.......)

I fairly sure it wasn't the base change, and I don't think it is just the announcement of a partnership with Antenocitiis either.

Also, we'll find out this Saturday and Sunday...

The "Big April Announcement" is, as I've mentioned several times previously both here and on the official Infinity forums, this coming weekend.

We've known for awhile that the announcement is slated for "between the 26th and 28th", which is Saturday through next Monday.

In regards to the Bolts: The profile is fine. The simple fact is that the profile we got is the "sanitized current edition profile", not the profile for them in the next book...which is introducing/revamping mechanics.

We saw this same furor in regards to Link Teams with Human Sphere.

 Sangarn wrote:
I agree with Knight and Bolognesus

Bipandra and Bolt are for me a sad joke (without speeking of the bad overall quality of the bolt, that i've already spoken about)
rulewise they are here just to sit and wait for the next book
and this make no sense from an business point of view and from an gamedesigner point of view

not one min/maxed list will field them, maybe funlist, because you can like the mini but that all.
neotera need cheap fireteam to go with its expenssive toy (suiss guard - aquila - TAG) and cheap specialsit for objectives, for those two roles fusilliers are better
the only thing I could think of is the need of more than 5 troops, there i could fiels bolt after fusilliers but:
who play 2 group list in neoterra ? Who need a second fireteam in neoterra ?

About the recent news: it seems that Giraldez only paint the Kum riders and maybe some free hand (the clipsos free hand is fabulous) because the level is very low (druze and morat)

Waitaminutethere - I like the Bipandra profile fine. It's not as funky and exciting as some other Dire Foes but it has its uses. It's just Knight who has a fundamental problem with about everything PanO CB is doing, not me

As part of the group of people that play with friends, focusing on having some beers and having a good time with a bitchin' game and cool models, I always get a little head-scratchy over the rules frothing.

We're wargaming with (mostly) like-minded individuals. I think the system is cool, I have fun playing (more fun than I've had playing any other tabletop game), yet people react like they're changing the rules for F1 again.

Deep breaths kiddos, let us see what's gonna happen.

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Sangarn wrote:
I agree with Knight and Bolognesus

Bipandra and Bolt are for me a sad joke (without speeking of the bad overall quality of the bolt, that i've already spoken about)
rulewise they are here just to sit and wait for the next book
and this make no sense from an business point of view and from an gamedesigner point of view

not one min/maxed list will field them, maybe funlist, because you can like the mini but that all.
neotera need cheap fireteam to go with its expenssive toy (suiss guard - aquila - TAG) and cheap specialsit for objectives, for those two roles fusilliers are better
the only thing I could think of is the need of more than 5 troops, there i could fiels bolt after fusilliers but:
who play 2 group list in neoterra ? Who need a second fireteam in neoterra ?

About the recent news: it seems that Giraldez only paint the Kum riders and maybe some free hand (the clipsos free hand is fabulous) because the level is very low (druze and morat)

Waitaminutethere - I like the Bipandra profile fine. It's not as funky and exciting as some other Dire Foes but it has its uses. It's just Knight who has a fundamental problem with about everything PanO CB is doing, not me

Oh, I like Bipandra's profile. Just drop the medikit and 0.5 SWC and you'll not hear any further complaints from me. And I do think more correct statement would be: "as of late", before Paradiso I don't think I have any complaints.

What meterial are these new vehicles going to cast in?

 Knight wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Sangarn wrote:
I agree with Knight and Bolognesus

Bipandra and Bolt are for me a sad joke (without speeking of the bad overall quality of the bolt, that i've already spoken about)
rulewise they are here just to sit and wait for the next book
and this make no sense from an business point of view and from an gamedesigner point of view

not one min/maxed list will field them, maybe funlist, because you can like the mini but that all.
neotera need cheap fireteam to go with its expenssive toy (suiss guard - aquila - TAG) and cheap specialsit for objectives, for those two roles fusilliers are better
the only thing I could think of is the need of more than 5 troops, there i could fiels bolt after fusilliers but:
who play 2 group list in neoterra ? Who need a second fireteam in neoterra ?

About the recent news: it seems that Giraldez only paint the Kum riders and maybe some free hand (the clipsos free hand is fabulous) because the level is very low (druze and morat)

Waitaminutethere - I like the Bipandra profile fine. It's not as funky and exciting as some other Dire Foes but it has its uses. It's just Knight who has a fundamental problem with about everything PanO CB is doing, not me

Oh, I like Bipandra's profile. Just drop the medikit and 0.5 SWC and you'll not hear any further complaints from me. And I do think more correct statement would be: "as of late", before Paradiso I don't think I have any complaints.

Meh, the versatility in a link is actually worth the .5 SWC IMO. Especially in what is otherwise a rather SWC-light link team. I agree it's an anomaly, though.

@sing your life - I'm guessing they will probably be resin, the other Antenociti vehicle releases to this point have been.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
As part of the group of people that play with friends, focusing on having some beers and having a good time with a bitchin' game and cool models, I always get a little head-scratchy over the rules frothing.

We're wargaming with (mostly) like-minded individuals. I think the system is cool, I have fun playing (more fun than I've had playing any other tabletop game), yet people react like they're changing the rules for F1 again.

Deep breaths kiddos, let us see what's gonna happen.

I felt the same way when looking at a thread in the video games section. I'd been perfectly happy making my way through the game, humming to myself happily while I play and killing stuff. Suddenly I'm reading about 'tiered' builds, about the PVP meta-game, and the new massive imbalances and the like that have totally ruined the game - it's a level of complexity that I didn't even know existed! But, I think just because I don't want to go down into that level of complexity and balance, into the guts of how the game works, doesn't mean it doesn't exist - and I suppose it's something that Infinity has had it at some point(?!)

So, while I'm not really bothered about some of these things mentioned above, at the same time I think it's important that they get an airing if there are indeed fundamental dangers to how some people play the game.

*coughDarkSoulscough*

Yeah, that does make sense! That does add some perspective to me there... thanks.

 Knight wrote:
My perception also lead me to believe that overall people prefer to play YAMS, something I personally do not consider to be very fun and very monotone, yet concede that it is more balanced.

This is definitely not the case in the American northwest. ITS is the standard out here for pickup games. From what I read on forums, it has become so in most other places too, 2014 flaws and all.

YAMS has pretty much fallen by the wayside, probably because it's pretty monotone as you mention.

You know, if an Infinity community group really wants to do the rest of the player base a favor, publishing little packets of linked, themed missions with cool rules would be wonderful. The group up here in Seattle have talked about doing exactly this and are slowly approaching it (having recently playtested rules for mass-TAG combat, arena combat, bunker/boarding action combat, and some of deflatermouse's great missions). If anyone out there is looking for a way to make one's fellow Infinity nerds super happy, write and publish scenarios!

energongoodie wrote:
Antenocitis workshop are gearing up for their kickstarter. It is to fund Infinity civilian vehicles. They are also releasing 3 faction specific dropships. They are just finalising the design of these with Corvus Belli. Their terrain prototypes looked amazing and there is more of that to come.

Sorry if this has been addressed since, but has there been any idea of when this KS might hit?

Here is the thread for AW kickstarter stuff http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/491195.page

There may be news this week-end. There will be some sort of huge Infinity news anyway.

Awesome, cheers mate.

Subbed that one, may have to get a Nomad compatible dropship just because. If that's a thing, surely though.

Savnock wrote:From what I read on forums, it has become so in most other places too, 2014 flaws and all.

Interesting. Official forums? I still believe there's higher interest in YAMS. Though ITS varies, perhaps not surprising to find out that certain communities favour specific missions for their pick up. How do you guys in the US manage it? Are missions pre-determined, do you talk about the type of a ITS mission on the spot and then write a list?

The group up here in Seattle have talked about doing exactly this and are slowly approaching it (having recently playtested rules for mass-TAG combat, arena combat, bunker/boarding action combat, and some of deflatermouse's great missions). If anyone out there is looking for a way to make one's fellow Infinity nerds super happy, write and publish scenarios!

Mind dropping me scenarios, once they're all finished? Here, on the sub forum or PM, either way is fine. I'm mostly looking for new missions.

Actually starting a thread in the sub-forum for scenarios would be a really cool thing to do...

Knight, in the US the TO usually announces the list of scenarios to be used in advance of the tournament,, like days or weeks before, at least that is the way around here. Also the time allowed per round etc...

And speaking of scenarios, we are supposed to get new ITS scenarios at some point. I believe the number was 4 more. Anyone hear a timeline on that?

What do you play for your preferred pick up and play format? Do you have preferred types of scenarios? Do you make a list in advance or on the fly?

When it comes to TO/events, we do the same. Probably very lenient with time.

I know there was "Patient Zero" on the sneak peak preview. I was rather intrigued by the name only. I hope the big announcement wont be creating more hype based on something that will happen in the future.

There is a scenario thread on the official forum. Sadly, the guy who made the first post disappeared and a mod hasn't updated the links so none of them work. I managed to find the links to some of the more fun ones on the 2nd page of that thread, and a couple of other people have done the same there so might be worth a look!

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4355-player-written-scenarios-collection/

Great idea for a scenarios thread in the Infinity section right here though!

So, here's a thought, why don't we go toss up a post down in our little Infinity section and toss around some ideas for custom scenarios and games. Pool some ideas of our own and see if we can whip up some interesting missions?

Obviously it isn't anything remotely close to official, but if we can playtest a few and find them fun, we could put them up for other folks to use?

EDIT - Gotta practice what I preach. Here ya'll go for whoever is interested! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/591528.page#6756205

 Knight wrote:

Savnock wrote:From what I read on forums, it has become so in most other places too, 2014 flaws and all.

Interesting. Official forums? I still believe there's higher interest in YAMS. Though ITS varies, perhaps not surprising to find out that certain communities favour specific missions for their pick up. How do you guys in the US manage it? Are missions pre-determined, do you talk about the type of a ITS mission on the spot and then write a list?
.

We do it how CB suggest we do it, well here anyways. Meetup, decised on mission, tell what faction/subfaction we are playing, them write are list. Unlike someother games with set play styles for each faction you don't have to worry about the other guy write his list to counter yours. Well unless your predictable with your amry list, but thing it really doesn't matter as he know what you bring anyways.

For tournaments here in my area, it is list in advance, but for casual play in my group it is more or less mix and match... sort of a what do I want to play tonight, but list is done before missions etc are set.

So how quick to post info will BoW be anyway? As I recall, the Spanish forum was a bit, erm, lazy, about posting news the last time there was an event. I hope don't have to wait until Sunday night/Monday for the news.

I really want to see what those Infinity dropships may look like.

Edit: However, Bostria's presentation is at 5:30pm (11:30am EST) until 7:00pm on Sunday. We may not get much news until Monday. :(

 Knight wrote:
What do you play for your preferred pick up and play format? Do you have preferred types of scenarios? Do you make a list in advance or on the fly?

YAMS every time for us.

I greatly prefer YAMS. There's an ITS fanatic or two in the group that keep us mostly ITS, however.

Very mix and match around here, sometimes people even just want to play a standard killfest.

 Knight wrote:

Savnock wrote:From what I read on forums, it has become so in most other places too, 2014 flaws and all.

Interesting. Official forums? I still believe there's higher interest in YAMS. Though ITS varies, perhaps not surprising to find out that certain communities favour specific missions for their pick up. How do you guys in the US manage it? Are missions pre-determined, do you talk about the type of a ITS mission on the spot and then write a list?

The group up here in Seattle have talked about doing exactly this and are slowly approaching it (having recently playtested rules for mass-TAG combat, arena combat, bunker/boarding action combat, and some of deflatermouse's great missions). If anyone out there is looking for a way to make one's fellow Infinity nerds super happy, write and publish scenarios!

Mind dropping me scenarios, once they're all finished? Here, on the sub forum or PM, either way is fine. I'm mostly looking for new missions.

Sure, happy to send you the missions once we're done! I'll also be posting them in the forums here of course.

Actually, if you'd like to try out our massed-TAG-combat special scenario, the playtest version is on the CB forums here: http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/21936-scenario-iron-fists-tag-vs-tag-battles-v-20/.

We also play a version of Seize the Beacons (from ITS 2013) with half the table being a bunker represented by Space Hulk tiles and the other half open territory. Objectives are all in the bunker part. It's tons of fun, and totally changes the game (boarding shotguns are great in there).

When we've got time to pre-arranged games we often play custom scenarios, like rescues, heists, escort missions, etc. Paradiso games get played every few weeks, but the heavy emphasis on specialists is a bit wearying.

As for managing pickup games with ITS, we tend to build our lists just like we do for an ITS tourney: one for objectives, one for straight smash-ups. Using a 12-XP Specop has also become pretty standard around here. And even "killfest" games tend to use the Annihilation scenario, as the Classified objectives and strategic value of keeping troops alive makes it more interesting than the static firefights which no-scenario games tend to degenerate into.

YAMS was the default here until we started playing ITS last year. YAMS is just... well, kinda boring after a while. We tend to prefer more narrative, even in pickup games. Even ITS scenarios have just enough narrative to get by and can become a bit "gamey" as others have pointed out.

Now if someone revamped YAMS to have some more-exciting objectives, I would love to give it more play. But only so many times can one kill the damned civvie.

What exactly is YAMS, besides being tasty?

YAMS stands for 'yet another mission system', made by the chap who runs the Wargaming Trader site and organises a lot of the UK Infinity events scene

http://wargamingtrader.com/yams

I play a mix of straight-up games, YAMS, Paradiso, and narrative games. There are a lot of player-made scenarios on the Infinity forum, am in the process of updating all the links for those at the moment with PsychoticStorm, as it really needs doing!

I'm hoping to revamp/expand YAMS in the second half of the year.

To anyone knocking YAMS, the feedback thread is linked directly on the download page:

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/7737-yet-another-mission-system-11-download-link-post-147

If I don't know about your concerns they're not likely to be fixed...

 IJW wrote:
I'm hoping to revamp/expand YAMS in the second half of the year.

To anyone knocking YAMS, the feedback thread is linked directly on the download page:

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/7737-yet-another-mission-system-11-download-link-post-147

If I don't know about your concerns they're not likely to be fixed...

Hey IJW, I don't mean to knock your work. It used YAMS quite happily for a year or so, and appreciate the effort you put into it. Thank you for doing that for the good of the Infinity community!

YAMS is very well-balanced. But after quite a few games the objectives felt a bit too arbitrary and un-narrative. That could also be true of static missions like ITS: the 2013 set got a bit old after a year's play too. I'll make some comments on your thread with ideas that players around here floated for enhancing the way that separate objectives can link together to tell a story.

Also: Were you behind the NUSU tournament special-table rules? Those have been used a lot here in Seattle for various things, especially the bunker rules.

Anyways, sorry if that came off rude. YAMS is really good player-generated material that can eventually become something even better.

Yep, NUSU was the first Infinity tournament I ran.

This is it!

We're on the verge of BIG NEWS WEEKEND!

All operatives - deploy to Spain!

I'll start swimming east just after work. It's only a few thousand miles of open ocean...

Bostria will give the Infinity presentation on Sunday, at 5:30pm local time (so 11:30 am EST?). We may not get news until Monday morning :(

Shame there is no live feed on Ustream or something like that. Haven't these people heard of the internet?

Beasts of War are usually quite fast with the updates, hopefully they will be on the ball!

Plus of course nothing to stop a Dakkaite making a quick post with summary via their smartphone?

 Pacific wrote:
Beasts of War are usually quite fast with the updates, hopefully they will be on the ball!

...you're joking right?

Often times we know weeks before BoW posts the updates they're given, because BoW sits on them.

There are already pics coming out before the event !

He sure looks happy

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
He sure looks happy

I think Warren looks exactly like he actually is, a bloke terrified of flying that just got off a plane.

Is Warren even old enough to have 'experienced' Atari when they were, well, really Atari?!?

Looking forward to the "BIG NEWS"!

Well I'm pretty sure that I'm younger than him and had an Atari 2600 when they were new, so it's quite possible he may have done!

Big internet kudos to whoever posts the news on Dakka first then guys - do we have anyone who posts on the forum who is attending the show?

I don't think so. We basically have to wait for the Spanish forums/BoW.

I'm in the other corner of the country, I'm sorry D:

Not acceptable Erasoketa, get there now! You still have time ! *cracks whip*

Judging from facebook, the BOW guys are mostly wandering round taking pictures of the cosplayers at the moment. There's some tournament pics but not big news yet.

Very nice looking table at the event, looks like some of the more recent terrain release



I have dreams about playing on such a table..

Nice looking table!

And it looks like they're going to tease this out a while, aren't they?

 Alpharius wrote:
Nice looking table!

And it looks like they're going to tease this out a while, aren't they?

Yup...it's why I'm basically ignoring Facebook/the official Infinity forums for the next day.

Better news. Bostria's presentation is ~11:30am Spain time not 5:30 pm.

A facebook page with a few pix o' tables. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.750716788292662.1073741844.356536004377411&type=1

and a 'Tron' table

11:30AM Spain time on Sunday - nice!

Only four and a half hours until 11:30am in Spain. Basically right when I'm having dinner.

Wonder if the missus will mind me sitting on my phone refreshing over and over while we're having dinner.

Haven't been following the news or thread. What's expected to be announced?

I'm actually going to pickup a giant order of micro art studio terrain for various scifi games. I'm just super tired of gothic and dark terrain being used at the store.

First news drop - Infinity 3rd edition this year. Antenociti to do official vehicles, but only as scenery.

Also from a pic of the event from the main forums, may's releases are a 4-man box of Santiago Knights, Raiden with HRL, 2 Interventors, Agema with MSR and Kazak sniper. And do you think that means v3 at GenCon or for XMas?

Interventors with fast Pandas?!?


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Interventors with fast Pandas?!?

Yay! New edition! About bloody time. Can't wait to see what they fix.

I was wondering about the pandas myself. Koalas? The drop bears the Bolts were supposed to (or will) have?

Can't be Koalas, they're named the same in the Spanish rules.

Definitely not Koalas, photos are dropping on the official forums and they are distinctly panda-esque.

Something on the official boards about them being helper bots for the new Interveners, which increases their ZoC.

Just cause noone has posted it here yet.

Hmm I just picked up all three rule books, I hope they aren't all going to become redundant with the new edition

 GiraffeX wrote:
Hmm I just picked up all three rule books, I hope they aren't all going to become redundant with the new edition

Depends on the contents of the new rulebook. If they don't pull all lists, weapon and unit profiles into one book, then the old books still have their use for those. If they do pull them all into one book... I guess you've got the pretty art and fluff still. That's why people buy the rulebooks anyway considering the rules are not only free online, but there's a fan edit that makes them better laid out.

Thats very true I'm quite looking forward to reading all the fluff before I start playing.

Alright, Yu Jing appears to be getting new HI that mounts TAG-scale weaponry. And the best part... they are armed with knives for close combat instead of CCWs. If they make it through without any levels in MA, then I will be happy. It's like CB read my mind and are delivering unto me the things of my wish list. Now I just need an AD HI and I will die a happy man.

Apparently the rules aren't changing much.

Here's to hoping they condense everything into one book at least. I hate hunting through mutliple books for profiles and rules. I'd pay more for a big hardcover with everything in it.

Well, the rules don't need to change much, but there are plenty of bits and bobs that do need updating. I wouldn't consider reworking some point costs, a few usability tweaks to close combat and a few other bits (like the ITS initiative system) to be a large change.

Mostly they just need to integrate errata/FAQ stuff, fix some over/under-costed stuff (HMGs need a price bump, MULTI weapons need some love), tweak some units to have a more clear battlefield role (and a suitable price), and maybe fix close combat in to something less niche (or, alternatively, make it a lot cheaper on non-specialists). Oh and terrain rules that aren't .



But I definitely hope it condenses the material in to one place. Though considering how much was added in Human Sphere and Paradiso, that may start bloating things too much. But having rules for links and sectorial in core would be nice. And for that to work they need to have all the units. They may have to just leave army lists out and publish consolidated, fixed lists online at this point.

Edit - Seems that retreat and LoL will at least be getting a second look. So there definitely will be changes. I think they may have meant that we should expect the new edition to still play like Infinity (i.e. ARO, Face to Face rolls, uses D20's, etc.).

I bought all 3 books a few months back, they're brilliant and beautiful enough that I'm happy to own them regardless. A V3 with full rules and lists would be very welcome.

One translation on the official boards:

Silhouet gives height and pose of miniature. Also profile costs will change as do the base-rules

Aseph: also type of base the mini use. It'll clarify doubts about LoS and weapon range.

Seems like LoL and retreat rules will be changed.. As well as Bolts profiles.

Conference over. BoW will to an english translation summary.

Silhouet gives height and pose of miniature

...a move away from the annoying TLOS-1/3rd model covered etc rule system? that can only be good

Interventor redesign(male and female) and the "Fast Panda" in between. Fast Panda looks to be a mobile repeater.



Concept art of a new Yu Jing infantry type called "Terracotta Soldiers". Likely for the Invincible Army Sectorial.


Concept art of another Yu Jing HI type called "Yan Huo Invincibles Fire Support Heavy Regiment".


New type of Kazak, "Ambushers".


Tankhunter. Looks like a redesign with the Autocannon having a different appearance.



Looks to be new Antipodes! Hooray!


New Ghazi concept art.



Some kind of new Tohaa model 3D sculpt. Again labeled "Ambusher".


Squalo TAG redesign for PanO.


Thamyris.


WarCor model; purportedly a special edition model for WarCors.


New Combined Army unit for the EI Sectorial called a "Unidron". These are the Line Troops of the EI Sectorial.

Another one

Shotguns change, are better and weapons ranges change

Kan - that TAG is the Gecko. Note the chain colts.

 -Loki- wrote:
Another one

Shotguns change, are better and weapons ranges change

Kan - that TAG is the Gecko. Note the chain colts.

I'll remove it, but that didn't look like a Gecko when I first looked at it.

Yeah someone pointed it out on the official boards. Probably wasn't recognised because of the vastly different pose.

 -Loki- wrote:
Yeah someone pointed it out on the official boards. Probably wasn't recognised because of the vastly different pose.

Plus those Chain Colts don't have the magazines on from the looks of it.

The Tohaa sniper looks amazing. Sapper? It certainly looks like it's carrying its cover around with it.

Pretty excited about the Ariadna stuff. Turning my vanilla force into a Kazak sectorial should be fun

**Does happy dance for EI sectorial**

If they really did have that book at Gencon... would pretty well have to buy it. For christmas, I could probably resist. Something about seeing people in person that tricks you into buying stuff!

I guess new Interventors are cool, but I've always been more of a Reverend Custodier kinda guy.

 GrimDork wrote:

I guess new Interventors are cool, but I've always been more of a Reverend Custodier kinda guy.

Good thing they're not in the same Sectorial.

Well not everybody plays a sectorial, or do they? I wouldn't really know, I still only have a cursory knowledge of this game. I just mean if I were playing vanilla Nomads, I'd want the custodiers.

 GrimDork wrote:
Well not everybody plays a sectorial, or do they?

It depends on the faction, but Nomads are one of the factions where most people choose to go Sectorial.

I have a feeling though that 3rd Edition is going to make Sectorials a lot more attractive compared to vanilla, simply because from the reports today we are going to see alterations to SWC, points costs, and profiles in general.

Ahh, well enough, I bow to your wisdom in this matter

I'll admit that I would probably play corregidor if I weren't already working on on Bakunin, I just didn't know if some of the other factions had attractive combos only accessible to 'nilla. Plus link teams, those seem to have a lot of tricks on a per-unit basis like a Custodier triad getting to shoot two markers per action or a high WP burst 2 flash pulse, and can help make gimpy cheerleaders into something more useful and survivable.

 GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, well enough, I bow to your wisdom in this matter

I highly advise against doing that...I'm still, for all intents and purposes, a newbie. It's just that I have lurked long enough in relation to Infinity to get a bit of insight through osmosis.

I'll admit that I would probably play corregidor if I weren't already working on on Bakunin, I just didn't know if some of the other factions had attractive combos only accessible to 'nilla. Plus link teams, those seem to have a lot of tricks on a per-unit basis like a Custodier triad getting to shoot two markers per action or a high WP burst 2 flash pulse, and can help make gimpy cheerleaders into something more useful and survivable.

Pretty much all factions have some attractive combos only accessible to Vanilla, but that does not automatically mean that Vanilla is better than Sectorials(same as Link Teams in Sectorials not automatically invalidating Vanilla). It's a weird balance as it depends primarily upon the faction you're discussing.

Yeah, the game seems a tricky beast. Fortunately, I feel that I'm doing Infinity "right" -- getting the models I like and sorting out the game stuff later

Compel wrote:Just cause noone has posted it here yet.

Kanluwen wrote:



Interventor redesign(male and female) and the "Fast Panda" in between. Fast Panda looks to be a mobile repeater.



Concept art of a new Yu Jing infantry type called "Zú Yong Terracotta Soldiers". Likely for the Invincible Army Sectorial.


Concept art of another Yu Jing HI type called "Yan Huo Invincibles Fire Support Heavy Regiment".


New type of Kazak, "Ambushers".


Tankhunter. Looks like a redesign with the Autocannon having a different appearance.



Looks to be new Antipodes! Hooray!


New Ghazi concept art.



Some kind of new Tohaa model 3D sculpt. Again labeled "Ambusher".


Squalo TAG redesign for PanO.


Thamyris.


WarCor model; purportedly a special edition model for WarCors.


New Combined Army unit for the EI Sectorial called a "Unidron". These are the Line Troops of the EI Sectorial.

Quoting the two biggest things to bring them over to the next page.

Think my favourites out of those are the new Yu Jing concepts, although TBH it all looks pretty awesome!

Looking forward to the new book as well - it will be great to have all the newly introduced rules consolidated into one place.

I love that the Yan Huo have little deployable bipods mounted on their waists.

Because they're mounting TAG weaponry...

Interesting.. I commented about a big rules update seemingly being hinted at last gencon in a video and was told by folks in this thread that I was wrong and reading too much into it. I guess I wasn't.

So....hurrah for you then?

I'm curious as to how they're going to roll out 3rd Edition.

You've got the main rules, the stuff from Human Sphere and then the stuff from Paradiso.

That's a lot of stuff - it is going to be a BIG book.

And I really do hope they've got a competent English translator ready, and an Editor as well.

Maybe they could get the Re-Edit Rules crew to consult?

It took a year but... I told you so.

The heavy infantry with BFGs in the preview pics definitely look cool but that may be the ex-Rifts RPG player in me talking.

New rules.
It was almost guaranteed to happen.
Every time I get into a new game the rules get renewed, just after I've bought all the books.
This is the 5th game system in a row it's happened to.

Any word on new Aleph stuff?

 marv335 wrote:
New rules.
It was almost guaranteed to happen.
Every time I get into a new game the rules get renewed, just after I've bought all the books.
This is the 5th game system in a row it's happened to.

Welcome to Infinity

If it makes you feel better, you probably will not have to buy new books.

Any word on new Aleph stuff?

Just Thamyris, the Steel Phalanx "Journalist", concept art as far as I saw. We do know that they are getting a new Sectorial in the form of the "Special Situations Section" which is the Black Ops of ALEPH. Things like the Dasyu would be prevalent.

High Commissioner?

Of what?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
High Commissioner?

Of what?!?

It says right before the "High Commissioner" part, Alph! Jeez!

"O-12 High Commissioner"

Right now the thinking is that he is a sneak peek of whatever the next Dire Foes batch will be.

I rather enjoyed the DIRE FOES boxes, so I'm happy to hear that there might be more!

Also, any more word on when in 2013 3rd edition hits?

I'm hoping for Gencon, so I'll have a good excuse to pick one up. The other logical date might be christmas? I don't think anyone has said anything other than speculation though so no help.

GenCon is traditionally when they have "presale" stuff, meaning you can get it in limited numbers and then it gets released around Christmas...sooo that's possible, but unlikely for a rules set.