Tsagualsa wrote:

2x210 wrote:
If SM can get 252 pages can I just my fething jump Chaos Lord back?

Nah, you'll get 27 flavours of Possessed and variant Terminators instead. More than 250 pages sure drives home how much bloat and nonsense even 'barebones' SM now have, it'll be closer to 500 once you factor in the various sub-flavours and characters. That's just too much for a healthy game.

The worst part is, they could chop down so much of it by simply moving the unit entries back towards giving us options. Captain, can have bike, jump pack, terminator armor, or gravis armor. Pick weapons.

That would eliminate so much of this nonsense.


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No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Also outriders can now be units of up to 6 + an invader!

Wish they'd just done 8 plus the invader so you could field them as a proper assault squad on bikes.


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Voss wrote:
Whirlwinds- Holy feth! Artillery that disrupts/pins infantry units? What world is this?

Its also just surprisingly decent at killing infantry.


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Ugh. Transport restrictions still exist. They aren't as strict for some vehicles, but no 'tacitus' or 'phobos' (ie, no primaris) in rhinos/razorbacks and no non-primaris in Impulsors.

They even restricted drop pods so they can't carry Gravis models. Just ridiculous to keep shoe-horning these restrictions in. Are they one army or not?

What does the hive mind make of the disappearance of several combat patrols from the GW webstore? I can't see Necrons or 'nids anymore, and Space marines are no longer available. Will these existing boxes not be supported in 10th?

It'll be new ones to keep the range "fresh".

Or to ensure the new Combat Patrol sub-game is better balanced, and offers much the same experience.

Because make no mistake. Combat Patrol is the gateway drug format of 40K.

Yes Little Timmy. You do just need the Combat Patrol box to be able to play……what’s that Little Timmy….it’s been a few weeks….and you want more….well of course you do, son. Come on in.

This is just how it goes. And it’ll go best if each set offers as common an experience as possible.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

They even restricted drop pods so they can't carry Gravis models. Just ridiculous to keep shoe-horning these restrictions in. Are they one army or not?

That one doesn't bother me. Gravis are terminator size, so it makes sense that they're similarly restricted to heavy tanks as transports.

Its that they peeled it mostly back to size-based restrictions and then stopped right at the everyday transports that actually matter. There they kept the gatekeeping insanity.

Teatonev wrote:
What does the hive mind make of the disappearance of several combat patrols from the GW webstore? I can't see Necrons or 'nids anymore, and Space marines are no longer available. Will these existing boxes not be supported in 10th?

We know necrons get new one and no doubt marines&nids get the cp ones from leviathan separately on sale.

Seems quite probable the marines and tyranids patrols will be reboxed Leviathan models. Necrons needed redoing because they had a Flyer which kind of doesn't work in the format

"Reads that Rhino can't really take primaris marines"

Son of a bitch!


Well atleast Drop Pod can take them.

The change in the Necron combat patrol probably has more to do with the retirement of the 9th starter sets. Until this month, the first thing to buy for playing necrons was one of the starter sets and the combat patrol supplemented it, now with the starters gone they had an awkward combat patrol without necron warriors so it makes a lot of sense to make a new patrol. They may change other patrols to make the introductory game mode better but I would bet in the other patrols remaining the same until there is a new codex for the army, and some of them even surviving the arrival of the codex.

 Sotahullu wrote:
"Reads that Rhino can't really take primaris marines"

Son of a bitch!


Well atleast Drop Pod can take them.

They DID tell us in advance that Rhinos, Razorbacks, and Impulsors were still going to be restrictive. At least damn near anybody can fit into a Land Raider or Repulsor.

 Matthew Flamen wrote:
The change in the Necron combat patrol probably has more to do with the retirement of the 9th starter sets. Until this month, the first thing to buy for playing necrons was one of the starter sets and the combat patrol supplemented it, now with the starters gone they had an awkward combat patrol without necron warriors so it makes a lot of sense to make a new patrol. They may change other patrols to make the introductory game mode better but I would bet in the other patrols remaining the same until there is a new codex for the army, and some of them even surviving the arrival of the codex.

It'll be because the old Necron box had a weird mix of models including an aircraft, which even dedicated Combat Patrol rules would struggle to make function.

The new one is just a bunch of Indomitus models that generally fit one theme.

Read the assault marine sheet and saw the lightning claws and just didn’t compute that would be just for the sergeant. My twin claw vanvets are super unhappy with the gak sheet that is Vanguard Veterans. Heirloom weapon hits like a soft noodle and my unit is made up of thunder hammers and lightning claws.

So very stupid.

Will probably just use assault marines and pay points for all to be equipped with claws for friendly play. Geedubs ain’t gonna feth with my narrative forging!

Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

oh, van vets got hit HARD. not just the reduction to "str 5 chainswords", which sucks and totally changes the use case for the unit for many armies if they were using thunder hammer van vets as a vehicle killer, but also all the "icarus" type AA weapons now have ANTI-FLY, which affects them now as well.

the Stalker SPAAG, with 6 shots that hit on 3 and crit wound on 2, is going to be painful for FLY heavy armies to face.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

no, its just one is a heirloom melee weapon now. its such an antique pistol, they dont dare fire it and just clobber the enemies of the emperor with it.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

Like at least with Sternguard you can pretend, but so many VV models are going to look well out of place.

I fully expect a new kit a la Sternguard that officially puts them on ice.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

Or the level of pre-orders from other stockists were so high that GW had to go back and revise to spread the allocation more equally? Probably shouldn't jump the gun based on one location.

GW created this to take away from independent retailers. Now they can make less product yet make more money. Let's check the facts here.
-Boarding patrols limited release sent to content creators for free to gain hype of something they never planned to overly produce... why? to create FOMO.
-Kill Team box sets (last several)- release to content creators, create FOMO- push people to get it from GW store because of only 1-2 sets for independent stores due to allotments.
-New Kill team getting out of gallowdark- Ashes of Faith?, again give to content creatures, create a huge demand, create FOMO, pushes people to go to GW to try a hope at getting it from their webstore. -preconditioning the consumer that the independent retailer can't get it and their only chance is GW website where GW will make 100 percent profit or 130% profit if they sell to USA or another arbitrose country.
-Space Marine Heroes (deathguard)- basically only available from GW webstore. Limited to no store allotments due to only releasing 1200 sets. Huge FOMO and conditioning consumers to just go to the webstore.

- Roll out Leviathan. originally state it will be widely produced and this is the reason why they didn't produce enough any other set they released (or alteast they say this to calm the consumer). Basically say everyone can get it, then mid week call their independent retailers and tell them there are... dum.. dum.. dum... allotments. This even though it is a two week release and they are making 75000 units, still pushes people to have FOMO in their mind so they will buy it from the webstore. Less units sold (more on the website) = more money per unit (esp in the USA where over half their business is from).

Could they fix this sure, they could do a Made to order, to ensure everyone gets one, even if they can't when they first go for sale. Will they do this? who knows, basically they will make 100-130% profit still on units sold with no overhead, but it hurts their FOMO business tactic. I can see GW going to mostly web store based as everything is pushing their sales model to this. It means they don't have to produce as much and makes more profit. GW has proven they don't care about the consumer, just about the share holders many times and finding ways to produce less and make more profit is ... their bottom line.

So, time to enter the smash techmarine meta I guess? The Honour Vehement adds +1 (sometimes +2) attacks to the bearers melee weapons.

Techmarine can carry a few melee weapons:
Omnissian axe (4-7 attacks)
Plasma cutter (2 extra attacks)
Servo arm (1 extra attack)
Another servo arm (1 extra attack)

After enhancement he can dish out up to 19 attacks on his own right? He also has a few guns and can mob up tacticals and servitors.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea VV are like the flip side of combis. I can kind of see where they were going with it, but it still sucks.

Ya think? All my dual pistol Vanguard are illegal now.

Like at least with Sternguard you can pretend, but so many VV models are going to look well out of place.

I fully expect a new kit a la Sternguard that officially puts them on ice.

I'm not accepting what happened to Sternguard, and I'm damn well not going to accept what happened to Vanguard. The level of complacency you have is maddening.

 Insularum wrote:
So, time to enter the smash techmarine meta I guess? The Honour Vehement adds +1 (sometimes +2) attacks to the bearers melee weapons.

Techmarine can carry a few melee weapons:
Omnissian axe (4-7 attacks)
Plasma cutter (2 extra attacks)
Servo arm (1 extra attack)
Another servo arm (1 extra attack)

After enhancement he can dish out up to 19 attacks on his own right? He also has a few guns and can mob up tacticals and servitors.

Extra attack weapons cant have their number of attacks increased.

Ah good catch - just a paltry 13 max then...

Skimmed through the datasheets. I feel like a format where both sides of the card are visible on a single page would be preferable. I will see if I make an edit of the document.. for personal use obvs

Pretty much what I expected. I will be able to field most of my army in 10th, just need to "counts-as" two vehicles (A Spartan modded for only twin LC sponsons, counts-as Land Raider & A Caestus Assault Ram, counts-as Stormraven) and leave out a bit of toys.. unless Legends saves those

 tauist wrote:
Skimmed through the datasheets. I feel like a format where both sides of the card are visible on a single page would be preferable. I will see if I make an edit of the document.. for personal use obvs

If you got the orientation right, you could just fold them in half for cards.

I went into my FLG today and pre-ordered Leviathan. Both the clerk and I didn't realize that TOMORROW was pre-order day, but I'd already paid so he waved it off and said it'd stand.

What he also told me was that between the two stores they have (same company, same store name, one in each town) the smaller store got 21 boxes and the larger store got 53. Keep in mind that the area with the smaller store has maybe 12k people in town, and the larger one has probably less than 100k.

I'll be stopping by another FLG (the one I prefer) on Sunday while I'm doing a delivery for work and speaking with them. But for the time being, at least state side, it sure sounds like most stores are getting a huge amount of the things. IIRC the "larger" store I'm referencing here got like.. Maaayyyyybbbbeeee 24 boxes of Indomitus, tops?

So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

If I has to guess, the intention may have been to consolidate the regular Box-nought and VenDread into a single entry. Repackage the VenDread as a regular Box-nought (removing the missile launcher option from the datasheet for the Codex). But then they used the wrong picture on the datasheet.

A lot of weirdness in the Marine Index.
I both like and detest the way characters join units, or rather the incredibly limited units they can join.
On the one hand, it seems fluffy to have Characters join like-armoured units and prevents pre-8th shenanigans of Characters joining chaff units as a springboard to combat.
Otoh, many of my Eldar Characters and my son's Salamanders Characters don't have units they can join. So we either need to buy characters that can join the units we have, or buy units that are compatible with our Characters.
Touche GW, touche

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

I assume their intent here was to roll the standard dreadnought and the venerable into a single slot, but I am confused as to why they used the pic of the old dreadnought model that they just retired instead of the Venerable kit.
Also a little surprised they didn't put the SW and BA options on there like they did with so much other wargear, so I'm curious to see how that's handled. Hopefully in a way that lets me run as BA or SW and field double the dreadnoughts.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Splendid, just wonderful. Very hard to read this as anything but GW fething over independent retailers on the 11th hour, on purpose.

Or the level of pre-orders from other stockists were so high that GW had to go back and revise to spread the allocation more equally? Probably shouldn't jump the gun based on one location.

GW created this to take away from independent retailers. Now they can make less product yet make more money. Let's check the facts here.
-Boarding patrols limited release sent to content creators for free to gain hype of something they never planned to overly produce... why? to create FOMO.
-Kill Team box sets (last several)- release to content creators, create FOMO- push people to get it from GW store because of only 1-2 sets for independent stores due to allotments.
-New Kill team getting out of gallowdark- Ashes of Faith?, again give to content creatures, create a huge demand, create FOMO, pushes people to go to GW to try a hope at getting it from their webstore. -preconditioning the consumer that the independent retailer can't get it and their only chance is GW website where GW will make 100 percent profit or 130% profit if they sell to USA or another arbitrose country.
-Space Marine Heroes (deathguard)- basically only available from GW webstore. Limited to no store allotments due to only releasing 1200 sets. Huge FOMO and conditioning consumers to just go to the webstore.

- Roll out Leviathan. originally state it will be widely produced and this is the reason why they didn't produce enough any other set they released (or alteast they say this to calm the consumer). Basically say everyone can get it, then mid week call their independent retailers and tell them there are... dum.. dum.. dum... allotments. This even though it is a two week release and they are making 75000 units, still pushes people to have FOMO in their mind so they will buy it from the webstore. Less units sold (more on the website) = more money per unit (esp in the USA where over half their business is from).

Could they fix this sure, they could do a Made to order, to ensure everyone gets one, even if they can't when they first go for sale. Will they do this? who knows, basically they will make 100-130% profit still on units sold with no overhead, but it hurts their FOMO business tactic. I can see GW going to mostly web store based as everything is pushing their sales model to this. It means they don't have to produce as much and makes more profit. GW has proven they don't care about the consumer, just about the share holders many times and finding ways to produce less and make more profit is ... their bottom line.

We will review this when their next financial statement is out. Until then you keep clinging on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

The VenDread shouldn't have become a separate entry to begin with and should've stayed as an upgrade to existing Dreads. It's absolutely stupid Ironclads can't be Vens.

I noticed that Termies are now getting what used to be the EC special rule that they can ignore modifiers to their hit and wound rolls (the EC rule only affected to hit). That makes me wonder what they are going to give EC now that every marine Terminator has what was exclusively a chaos trait.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I noticed that Termies are now getting what used to be the EC special rule that they can ignore modifiers to their hit and wound rolls (the EC rule only affected to hit). That makes me wonder what they are going to give EC now that every marine Terminator has what was exclusively a chaos trait.

Nothing suprising about this, unique chaos rules get ported over to Space Marines and Eldar all the time. The reverse...not so much. What will EC get? Nothing. Emperor's Children won't exist until they get a codex either at the end of the 10th or begining of the 11th....maybe. We'll be lucky if Noise Marines get battleline if they take Lucius; assuming they're even worth taking.

 Sersi wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I noticed that Termies are now getting what used to be the EC special rule that they can ignore modifiers to their hit and wound rolls (the EC rule only affected to hit). That makes me wonder what they are going to give EC now that every marine Terminator has what was exclusively a chaos trait.

Nothing suprising about this, unique chaos rules get ported over to Space Marines and Eldar all the time. The reverse...not so much. What will EC get? Nothing. Emperor's Children won't exist until they get a codex either at the end of the 10th or begining of the 11th....maybe. We'll be lucky if Noise Marines get battleline if they take Lucius; assuming they're even worth taking.

CAn you point to a rule that the eldar stole from chaos?

I've seen whole space marine units (eradicators) and chapters get turned into marine versions of eldar units and armies. I've never seen the eldar nick something.

No One Important wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Venerable Dread is just... gone?

I assume their intent here was to roll the standard dreadnought and the venerable into a single slot, but I am confused as to why they used the pic of the old dreadnought model that they just retired instead of the Venerable kit.
Also a little surprised they didn't put the SW and BA options on there like they did with so much other wargear, so I'm curious to see how that's handled. Hopefully in a way that lets me run as BA or SW and field double the dreadnoughts.

Coming on monday with sw/ba specific units.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I noticed that Termies are now getting what used to be the EC special rule that they can ignore modifiers to their hit and wound rolls (the EC rule only affected to hit). That makes me wonder what they are going to give EC now that every marine Terminator has what was exclusively a chaos trait.

I know that this is the time everyone is nagging and complaining without actual reasons.
But ignoring modifyers to hit was the EC trait for... a year? And Eldar dark reapers already had it in 8th. EC traditionally had immunity to psychology and/or strike first.
None of which was ever unique to them/CSM.
( Also since Legions are now detatchment rules they will probably/hopefully be more interesting than the bland bonuses of the past)

I just had a look at the GW page for New Zealand and Australia, both still have copies of leviathan so at least on the other side of the world they're not selling out instantly.

Of course gw prices are even nuttier there which might discourage but yea still available good(ish) sign

The Black Adder wrote:
I just had a look at the GW page for New Zealand and Australia, both still have copies of leviathan so at least on the other side of the world they're not selling out instantly.

tneva82 wrote:
Of course gw prices are even nuttier there which might discourage but yea still available good(ish) sign

That probably is a good sign, especially for the UK, Europe and USA. Just bear in mind most if not all of the main Independent stores here, 3rd party sellers, even just online shops sold out in minutes or less. That was their pre-orders all gone.

I know there have been revelations in the past 24hrs on Independents not getting the pre-order amounts they thought they were getting but even still. Honestly I would expect any store offering this big expensive box launch at a significant discount to sell out fast. Anyway at this point it's still available from GW. So yeah hopefully you guys in the Northern Hemisphere get enough copies to go around too.

Noticed card packs aren't on preorder on australia. They coming later? Most likely time being when rulebook comes on sale on it's own.

Guess i'll play for a while with screenshots. Pdf not usable mid-game.

Unless app comes first and is usable.

I imagine card packs will go on sale the same time as the standalone rulebook, whenever that is

tneva82 wrote:
Noticed card packs aren't on preorder on australia. They coming later? Most likely time being when rulebook comes on sale on it's own.

Guess i'll play for a while with screenshots. Pdf not usable mid-game.

Unless app comes first and is usable.

I could see them going on preorder next week for a normal 1-week preorder so both get released on the same day.
But probably not.

Not typical for gw.2 week preorder middle week doesn't generally have big preorders.

Hmm it says I am in the queue but no timer.

Am I in the prequeue for the queue

Prepping for UK madness! T Minus 5 mins!

Friendly reminder that Leviathan is up for preordering in the UK & EU now.

If you haven't made up your mind yet, here is my super detailed review with high-res sprue pics & all assembly options: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/06/review-warhammer-40-000-leviathan/

From what I've heard from retailers, Games Workshop has produced enough boxes so that everyone who wants one should be able to get it in the first few weeks. However, it seems that independent retailers will only get a single initial allotment, and once that's sold out, you'll be stuck with buying directly from Games Workshop.

 Overread wrote:
Prepping for UK madness! T Minus 5 mins!

Just waiting the last few mins. I have GW and a couple of independent store pages open, if I can gets it cheaps I will.

My copy ordered from flgs but grabbing popcorn to see how fast gw store sells out.

Good luck for those buying it from gw.

Woof! Wait time more than an hour! ?

Well i have had that before and it became more reasonable soon and got way sooner than hour.

Wait time of over an hour but I can get it from my FLGS right now..

I got over an hour in the queue as well

I'm not even going to buy Leviathan. just wanted to see the preorder chaos unfold.. Demand for this box is off the hook

Went to the website at 9:25am. Already put into a random queue.
10am hits - Over an hour to wait.

Ah well, I guess I won't be getting the stat cards. That's what I was after. I can't stand trying to play from rules on my phone.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Went to the website at 9:25am. Already put into a random queue.
10am hits - Over an hour to wait.

Ah well, I guess I won't be getting the stat cards. That's what I was after. I can't stand trying to play from rules on my phone.

There' no stat cards on sale anyway as i pointed couple posts up.

Those come up later. When is up to anybody's guess.

Don't suppose anyone who's managed to get in clocked the UK price of the MTO skinks? I can't be bothered to sit for an hour to price check.

Sold out on goblin gaming, wayland and element in the UK

Firestorm broke down for me twice on confirming payment and now I can't even get to my basket view to pay.

Wayland had it at £120 and was glitchy as heck - it still keeps flicking on and off showing it as in stock and out of stock or not there.

Ordered through my FLGS with 10% off having registered my interest with them about 10 days ago. Pretty painless all told. Meanwhile GW still has me in a queue with over an hour to wait.

The Black Adder wrote:
Sold out on goblin gaming, wayland and element in the UK

I can't even login on most sites, just a series of timeouts! I was going to start a Tyranid Army but it's just not worth the hassle.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Woof! Wait time more than an hour! ?

Yep. "Your estimated wait time is: more than an hour"

Well I got mine from Northumbrian Tin Soldier.

Wayland Games website was really struggling along.

Just waiting for my confirmation order receipt to come through...

The Black Adder wrote:
Sold out on goblin gaming, wayland and element in the UK

Great. I mean another Fiasco then.

Well showed still in stock at wayland and goblin games checking after that post.

Element games site died. This is beyond ridiculous.

The websites are jumping around. I've got a feeling Firestorm might have processed my order two or three times - I have got it confirmed now though on their system. We'll have to wait and see.


Of course with a 2 week window this could all just be "first hours trading madness" and in a day or two the sites settle down and there's still stock.

My order from Northumbrian Tin Soldier still rather worryingly says "processing" rather than confirmed so I might just stay in the GW queue until I get my order confirmed.

I do not envy stores today. They likely have a rafter of orders all processing at once and might well have systems glitch enough that they get 10 orders for only 5 stock and have to manually cancel some.

Plus with payments glitching it might also be that some people end up paying two or three times because part of the page system doesn't load and doesn't complete. Eg they never get an order confirmation etc...


So yeah it might take half a day for stores back-ends to settle down and finalise who actually does and doesn't have something.


One bonus is as a Tyranid player I can guarantee there's way more marine players out there so there's a good chance of ebay having good Tyranid stocks for a bit

 Olthannon wrote:
My order from Northumbrian Tin Soldier still rather worryingly says "processing" rather than confirmed so I might just stay in the GW queue until I get my order confirmed.

I am in the same boat with Gaming Figures. Order was complete at 10am but it only shows placed.

I have emailed them to confirm the order is all good before I leave the GW queue!

grouch666 wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
My order from Northumbrian Tin Soldier still rather worryingly says "processing" rather than confirmed so I might just stay in the GW queue until I get my order confirmed.

I am in the same boat with Gaming Figures. Order was complete at 10am but it only shows placed.

I have emailed them to confirm the order it all good before I leave the GW queue!

I'm not even bothering emailing firestorm. Right now its just noise in their email system and won't likely get anything processed any quicker.

I guess the main question is now that most discount stores have been battered do GW themselves have the stock to meet the demand.

If not the backlash against the massive amount of copies they dished out for free will be huge.

Well, element took my money, sent me an email confirmation, but the email just says bad gateway, so who knows. In the lap of the gods I guess.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

If not the backlash against the massive amount of copies they dished out for free will be huge.

You mean the less than 100 or so sent to promoters. Because that's likely the kind of numbers we are talking about. I mean yeah some people will backlash on that but the amount of free copies GW sends out is utterly tiny compared to the whole production system. It's basically just rage venting noise that's over in a flash online for most people and will be a torch a tiny handful will beat on about for ages, but no one really pays attention too.

 Overread wrote:

grouch666 wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
My order from Northumbrian Tin Soldier still rather worryingly says "processing" rather than confirmed so I might just stay in the GW queue until I get my order confirmed.

I am in the same boat with Gaming Figures. Order was complete at 10am but it only shows placed.

I have emailed them to confirm the order it all good before I leave the GW queue!

I'm not even bothering emailing firestorm. Right now its just noise in their email system and won't likely get anything processed any quicker.

Turns out the emails fell into my junk folder so all good!

I feel bad for these independent stockists. That one bloke who knew a bit about IT who set up their websites versus the horde of nerds clamouring to get this box.

I think you have vastly underestimated the amount they sent out @Overread

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I think you have vastly underestimated the amount they sent out @Overread

Or you overestimate.

tneva82 wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I think you have vastly underestimated the amount they sent out @Overread

Or you overestimate.

I dunno if you look on instagram it feels like every prick in the world got one. So I see why people are irritated by that.

tneva82 wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I think you have vastly underestimated the amount they sent out @Overread

Or you overestimate.

Which I think is far more likely.

Most of the promoters are going ot be youtube or twitch channels and such - just how many are there out there big enough to get GW attention? Warhammer is still a niche, there are not multiple thousands of youtubers running channels to get free boxed sets. Yes it can seem like "everyone got a copy" because it fills your news feed, but if you actually start counting you'll realise the actual number isn't all that vast. Honestly its a drop in the ocean compared to the regular amount of stock going out.

And that makes sense; GW would be utterly bonkers to send a statistically significant portion of their stock out for free purely for promotional purposes and at the likely cost of losing them significant sales. Why would any company do that unless they've some nefarious scheme to generate power by harnessing the rage of geeks online.

BigOscar wrote:
Well, element took my money, sent me an email confirmation, but the email just says bad gateway, so who knows. In the lap of the gods I guess.

I got an order complete message on Element, but no confirmation email and it doesn't show in account history. No idea if the order worked or not.

Just got mine on Wayland, took until now for the website to be able to process the order.

The marketing people (i.e. the ones that kept saying they've made enough boxes to reach the moon) will also be the ones deciding how many to send to influencers, and clearly the marketing/production disconnect is the issue here, so it really wouldn't be that much of a reach to suggest the number sent out for promo may be disproportionate. And a grievance it doesn't need to be perfectly logical to get a groundswell of internet hate behind it anyway

No one knows how many promotional boxes were sent but regardless the number which is more than 100 for sure... whats the problem?

- YouTubers, clubs, streamers, game and painting influencers have material to create content.
- We have content to watch.
- The number of promotional sets allocated just for this would not reach as many people has they do with the reviewers.
- Most importantly if no promotion was done and no boxes sent you would still be facing the same structural problem, not enough boxes.

And hundreds tiny when us alone got 5 digit numbers as bare minimum. Remove say 1000 youtubers from it. Amount it affects worldwide supply is tiny.

 xttz wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Well, element took my money, sent me an email confirmation, but the email just says bad gateway, so who knows. In the lap of the gods I guess.

I got an order complete message on Element, but no confirmation email and it doesn't show in account history. No idea if the order worked or not.

It took 10-15 minutes for the email to arrive, it has the order confirmation as the title, but the contents of the email are broken, so who knows. Clearly the system hasn't handled things well, what that means for me anyone, no idea.

We got a copy at the flgs this past week to build and show off.

Well got to gw and stock still left. Guess gueue is doing some work


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Don't suppose anyone who's managed to get in clocked the UK price of the MTO skinks? I can't be bothered to sit for an hour to price check.

19pounds. 42.5 for slann, 37.5 for other 2.

Element is live again and says:

"This product is no longer being distributed by Games Workshop, and can only be bought directly from their website."



Looks like they did not have enough then.

Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.


Also 1 hour and I'm still not on the GW site
but I am down to a 43min wait

So I wanted to buy an English copy in Germany and found out that major German shops didn’t get any stock of the English version at all. Was lucky to get it in German, with a 10% discount (at two other shops with 20% their websites folded under the pressure).

I’m still in the GW queue though. Maybe get the English box there and sell or cancel the German then.

People queuing at various GW stores in most cities ...

I ordered one from OnTableTop, has been my go to for a long time now.
Still showing as available. If it falls through I wont be too bothered, i really didnt plan on ordering one at all.

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

Yeah there's going to be all sorts of variations in 3rd party stores depending on how cautious they are with stock allocations, and how reliable their website & payment systems are.

Wayland still showing stock available when others as don't isn't surprising.

I had no issues getting a box from GW. Third party sellers are whole different topic, the English copies essentially evaporated the second they were available, but we could get some German ones by struggling through the server crashes of the bigger stores.

Anyone who got up later than 11:15 though? I doubt they have any chance of getting the box online.

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

Honestly the fact there are still people believing Wayland's stock counts after all these years floors me.

Good luck if you're in the queue. If you don't care about inflated prices and just want the models, bitsandkits has both individual models and the entire Tyranid/SM halves for preorder. Librarian for £15 is a steal

Kind of a relief to not be part of the scramble this time round

The two boxes I pre-pre-ordered were secured, and I managed to get another box at 25% off when they went live.

Went live at 12pm, and I was checked out by 12:01pm.

The silly thing is that I was on the way to a friend's house as we were gathering for a building day, and I had been stuck in traffic, so I literally pulled into a side street just before midday, waited, made the order, then got back onto the main road.

I was trying to check on the FW website for the Reaver Titan (Still waiting for it to come back in stock for my order to ship) and it dropped me into the queue :(

 Overread wrote:

You mean the less than 100 or so sent to promoters.

I would be surprised if its only 100 copies, don't underestimate all the different sources you may not have on your radar like different language channels or just blogs without a youtube/instagram presence.
But even if its 300 copies, if that average number of 60 boxes stores could order that was thrown around is true, that would still only be 5 stores worth of product which is still only a tiny fraction.

Managed to get a copy from both Wayland and the GW site, the latter being an insurance policy. Let's see if Wayland actually follow through on the order, if they do, I'll need to decide on what to do with the spare copy.

Also queues outside of GWs? What has happened to this hobby over the last 5/6 years.

I mean, I can remember queueing for Dark Vengeance 11 years ago but the difference then was scalpers weren't interested and you were just queueing for some limited stock promotional things, there was no question anyone in the queue might not get a copy.

Charax wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Meanwhile Wayland is again showing it in stock

I suspect there's a good number of "this person managed to order 50 copies by panic clicking buttons" going on which sends the stock jumping up and down.

I suspect Wayland is just full of gak

Honestly the fact there are still people believing Wayland's stock counts after all these years floors me.

Waylands stock counts have been fine for years. Pretty much since they moved away from the green/yellow/red stock dots and into their live-stock website. Which is going back a few years now when they made that change.

No more is there a green light which means "in stock or might be ordered this week or next week".

Billicus wrote:
I mean, I can remember queueing for Dark Vengeance 11 years ago but the difference then was scalpers weren't interested and you were just queueing for some limited stock promotional things, there was no question anyone in the queue might not get a copy.

scalpers were interested back than as were with all the boxes as the exclusive to the box content always sold very well, just in the past the Marine content was not very good model wise to be worth it as everyone had enough tacticals
while the other part was often worth the full box price, remember when Orc Copters being core box only, re-seller were happy to buy the boxes and sell the copters at high prices and made a profit with selling everything else at 50%

Re-Seller are not the reason why those boxes sell out, neither are Reviewers, it is simply GW not producing enough to meet the demand in addition to make it the only possible way to start cheap into the hobby
if we would know that the models from the core box would be available stand-alone, like it was with the first AoS set or the Cursed City models, the problem would not be that big
but in this case, if you want to play Marines or Tyranids, this is the only chance to get the new models for cheap

We 100% know these models will be sold stand alone.

Or at least the sprue will. GW will do the same thing they did for the last edition, we will likely see 3 or so new boxed starter sets with more models in each one (esp since they did the two leaders on the same sprue).

Then we will likely also see a Partworks magazine at some point featuring Tyranids VS Imperials/Space Marines.

Not to mention things like the Gaunts which will likely get their own individual multi-part release (we've already seen the alternate guns on their profile card which are not present on the pushfit models).


Right now the only real exclusive content is the Big Rulebook cover. Almost everything else in the boxed set is pretty much all going to hit retail. We are just fighting over discount on price, nothing more



It's a good discount don't get me wrong, but we are fighting over discount not over models which won't ever appear again. Heck they'll be mass market retail within 1-2 months.

The contents will be available separately.

Just not with such discount.

Which is why gw will never overproduce them

Pre-orders aside?

I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

I can testify for myself that a put-off for certain armies (Nids, Craftworlds) for me was how overstocked certain slots were - usually Elites.

I know formations helped that somewhat, if you could spare the CPs. But now….I can take more or less Whatever Tickles My Fancy. Sure 0-3 on everything might seem like a restriction, but given a fairly balanced force is still desirable it may not be the hindrance we might first assume.

I’m certain we’ll still see Netlists, as you can change the parameters, but you can never change Math Hammer, just it’s equation.

It’s my hope this new freedom will make the difference between a heavily number crunched list and “well this is just the gubbins that tickled my fancy” quite narrow.

Because whilst a meta will always exist, the less people feel tied to it, the better for variety.

tneva82 wrote:
The contents will be available separately.

Just not with such discount.

Which is why gw will never overproduce them

To be fair, unlike battleforces, some of the content will be available only at a massive over payment, see the sprue cost from GW for the Indomitus and Dark Imperium exclusives.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pre-orders aside?

I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

I can testify for myself that a put-off for certain armies (Nids, Craftworlds) for me was how overstocked certain slots were - usually Elites.

I know formations helped that somewhat, if you could spare the CPs. But now….I can take more or less Whatever Tickles My Fancy. Sure 0-3 on everything might seem like a restriction, but given a fairly balanced force is still desirable it may not be the hindrance we might first assume.

Personally I never had an issue with the concept of the old Force Organisation chart, but I do agree that it was a chart built for a much smaller game and the chart never really grew to cope with much bigger and more diverse armies. At least not without breaking. Even back in 3rd and 4th ed the Tyranid elite slot felt overstuffed.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m genuinely interested to see how openly the community embraces the new, total lack of, FoS.

Certainly opens up more options. I always felt very limited by Guard fast attack slots. Now I can take 3 single scout sentinels, a pair of hellhounds, a squad of armoured sentinels, plus still have room for some rough riders or a vulture. Before I would have had to mess around with different formations, being forced to take certain tax units or something.

I miss the days when there were exclusive sculpts in boxes. Island of Blood, Dark Vengeance, even Dark Imperium. I liked having some form of uniqueness to sculpts.

The big issue was that GW then sometimes didn't release non-exclusive variants of the models after the release. The Lord of Contagion from DI is still gone, the cultist from DV only had four models released and none of the special weapon options, etc.

I also miss when these sets weren't limited so picking up cheap models was so much easier. Not that you couldn't get most of Indomitus or Dominion easily on ebay, but limited releases make it harder if there isn't a second release or if the initial release is very limited.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I miss the days when there were exclusive sculpts in boxes. Island of Blood, Dark Vengeance, even Dark Imperium. I liked having some form of uniqueness to sculpts.

The big issue was that GW then sometimes didn't release non-exclusive variants of the models after the release. The Lord of Contagion from DI is still gone, the cultist from DV only had four models released and none of the special weapon options, etc.

I also miss when these sets weren't limited so picking up cheap models was so much easier. Not that you couldn't get most of Indomitus or Dominion easily on ebay, but limited releases make it harder if there isn't a second release or if the initial release is very limited.

Those were what gw coesiders starter set aka what will arrive later


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3h and gw store still not sold out. Maybe othei stores that can predict huge amount of people should consider queue's? Wonder how hard/expensive those are to set up.

BigOscar wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Well, element took my money, sent me an email confirmation, but the email just says bad gateway, so who knows. In the lap of the gods I guess.

I got an order complete message on Element, but no confirmation email and it doesn't show in account history. No idea if the order worked or not.

It took 10-15 minutes for the email to arrive, it has the order confirmation as the title, but the contents of the email are broken, so who knows. Clearly the system hasn't handled things well, what that means for me anyone, no idea.

I messaged their support system and they just confirmed the order has been processed and will ship on the 23rd

Worst scramble seems to be over. Queue wait time was 2 minutes and stock still there.

At least on gw's site this seems to have went surprisingly smooth.

tneva82 wrote:
Worst scramble seems to be over. Queue wait time was 2 minutes and stock still there.

At least on gw's site this seems to have went surprisingly smooth.

I hope a lot of scalpers are getting burned hard by this

Huh. Queue went away, but it was saying 10AM PDT for US/ Pacific time to order? so 1 PM Eastern?

Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

Except no doubt people will use it as proof of gw's evil plan of screwing 3rd parties over own web store.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the cue is gone and it doesn't appear to be sold out anywhere on the main site. So, great success?

Glad that it worked out and that people wanting a copy at rrp should be fine. Has there been much evidence of scalping on this one? Have not looked at the usual sites yet.

It's definitely there but the largest amount of sellers on eBay seem to be doing singles.

Yea scalp sales out there but since rpp available not sure how much of a success scalpers get. Why buy from scalper at 4x when 1x is possible?

Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

BigOscar wrote:
Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

swaps are still a thing but mostly club only or within groups
as soon as shipping comes into play people rather just buy the half they want rather than the full box (and those who sell the stuff are the scalpers as they are not selling if for cheap with the demand being there)

I don't think it helps that the resale value of the Marine half will always be higher than the other just because of demand, so it's cheaper to just buy the xenos half online than split.

Just got mine. Walked into FLGS, waited behind one person in line, and then pre-ordered.

BigOscar wrote:
Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

Hit up the trade groups on Facebook, honestly that's where a lot of trading is done now between people. You shouldn't have much trouble finding those wanting to swap.


Note I always recommend that if you're going to swap treat it like 2 paid sales. Each of you pays the other 50% the cost of the boxed set through Paypal Goods and Services and then posts their item. That way if one side backs out/vanishes/postal service loses it - then you've got all the protection you need.

The only thing it costs you is the fee from Paypal; since you'll get the same money back from the other side for your half of the box.

Looks like GW in Oz hoarded the boxes for themselves.

12 hours after it went live, the webstore still hasn't sold out.

But independents, multiple independents said they were allocated less than their expressions of interest. I put in an expression of interest earlier in the week and the store said I was too late.

Managed to get one from an online store at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

But the GW online store is still plugging away, so either no one wants to pay full price or GW severely limited the number they gave to independents vs kept for themselves.

BigOscar wrote:
Is there much of a market for half swaps these days? I remember doing it back in the day, but I guess these days people instead sell half and buy a half instead of doing actual swaps?

FLGS has a number of swaps, and also people buying books from others who are picking up multiple copies of Levi (assuming they go through)

 Olthannon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I think you have vastly underestimated the amount they sent out @Overread

Or you overestimate.

I dunno if you look on instagram it feels like every prick in the world got one. So I see why people are irritated by that.

I'm gonna be honest - that sounds pretty childish.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Looks like GW in Oz hoarded the boxes for themselves.

12 hours after it went live, the webstore still hasn't sold out.

But independents, multiple independents said they were allocated less than their expressions of interest. I put in an expression of interest earlier in the week and the store said I was too late.

Managed to get one from an online store at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

But the GW online store is still plugging away, so either no one wants to pay full price or GW severely limited the number they gave to independents vs kept for themselves.

Stuff on discount sells faster than stuff not on discount. News at 11.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Looks like GW in Oz hoarded the boxes for themselves.

12 hours after it went live, the webstore still hasn't sold out.

But independents, multiple independents said they were allocated less than their expressions of interest. I put in an expression of interest earlier in the week and the store said I was too late.

Managed to get one from an online store at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

But the GW online store is still plugging away, so either no one wants to pay full price or GW severely limited the number they gave to independents vs kept for themselves.

Other stores didn't put in queue's. (and biggest discounts so people rush there first)

Also still suspect gw isn't happy about pre-pre-orders.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

But the GW online store is still plugging away, so either no one wants to pay full price or GW severely limited the number they gave to independents vs kept for themselves.

Stuff on discount sells faster than stuff not on discount. News at 11.

It's noteworthy because this doesn't usually happen. Usually if independents sell out in minutes, GW themselves sell out a few minutes later. I've missed a few things because I wasn't paying attention at bang on 12 and both GW and independents were sold out.

Nah see it has to be a big conspiracy otherwise how could people get angry about it?
Nevermind that GW has seemingly done a good job at preventing a mass buyout on its website and from what I've read, in-store purchases (at least for the UK) have been pretty straightforward.

tneva82 wrote:
Other stores didn't put in queue's. (and biggest discounts so people rush there first)

Yeah, maybe the queues worked, but the Oz queue wasn't long (I jumped on a few minutes before 12 and was in the online store pretty much bang on 12). And the queue is gone now and they still haven't sold out.

Perhaps the impulse buyers got put off by the queues? Still seems a bit odd compared to how things normally go.

Also still suspect gw isn't happy about pre-pre-orders.

Perhaps, but it's all a bit silly. I imagine there were people pre-pre-ordering at multiple places because of past experiences missing out. I didn't do that myself, as I didn't really care if I missed out on this one, but I'm sure some people who were dying to get it put expressions of interest in multiple places and then cancelled a bunch once one of them came through.

 Gert wrote:
Nah see it has to be a big conspiracy otherwise how could people get angry about it?
Nevermind that GW has seemingly done a good job at preventing a mass buyout on its website and from what I've read, in-store purchases (at least for the UK) have been pretty straightforward.

Well waiting for queue took long. And to get more than 1 wait hour again.

But yeahstore worked. Queue plus purchase limit and full rpp slows down.
How many 3rd partres had queue? Max 1 per customer?

 Gert wrote:
Nah see it has to be a big conspiracy otherwise how could people get angry about it?

No anger here, don't have strong feelings either way, it's just an observation that perhaps GW held back more stock than they usually do from independents.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Perhaps, but it's all a bit silly. I imagine there were people pre-pre-ordering at multiple places because of past experiences missing out. I didn't do that myself, as I didn't really care if I missed out on this one, but I'm sure some people who were dying to get it put expressions of interest in multiple places and then cancelled a bunch once one of them came through.

Silly gw expects stores to follow terms?

They might not be able to go too hard as technically not pre-pre-order but they could very well direct stock to those who aren't doing public pre-pre-order by other name.

Well in the UK there is no longer a queue and yet Leviathan remains in stock...

And (believe it or not) Wayland Games claims to have some stock left at £120...

I'll be interested to see how much is still hanging around in stores after the 24th....

Some stores in the UK are also doing waves of sales to prevent stock problems.

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Perhaps, but it's all a bit silly. I imagine there were people pre-pre-ordering at multiple places because of past experiences missing out. I didn't do that myself, as I didn't really care if I missed out on this one, but I'm sure some people who were dying to get it put expressions of interest in multiple places and then cancelled a bunch once one of them came through.

Silly gw expects stores to follow terms?

They might not be able to go too hard as technically not pre-pre-order but they could very well direct stock to those who aren't doing public pre-pre-order by other name.

I more meant the whole thing is a bit silly, from the independents not being able to secure as much as they wanted to the FPS-mouse-skills required to get it from an independent to it still being there 12 hours later on the official site.

If the terms say stores can't take expressions of interest prior, well, then the terms are silly, expressions of interest have long been the way stockists determine how much stock they order so that they don't end up selling out in 0.2 seconds and also don't end up being left with a giant pile of unsold stock.

Hmm. I can't find anything from 3rd parties in the US cheaper than $250. Is that the standard GW store price?

GrosseSax wrote:
Hmm. I can't find anything from 3rd parties in the US cheaper than $250. Is that the standard GW store price?

That was the rumoured RRP.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:
Hmm. I can't find anything from 3rd parties in the US cheaper than $250. Is that the standard GW store price?

That was the rumoured RRP.

If by "rumored" you mean "as stated in the give away terms", then yes.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Perhaps, but it's all a bit silly. I imagine there were people pre-pre-ordering at multiple places because of past experiences missing out. I didn't do that myself, as I didn't really care if I missed out on this one, but I'm sure some people who were dying to get it put expressions of interest in multiple places and then cancelled a bunch once one of them came through.

Silly gw expects stores to follow terms?

They might not be able to go too hard as technically not pre-pre-order but they could very well direct stock to those who aren't doing public pre-pre-order by other name.

I more meant the whole thing is a bit silly, from the independents not being able to secure as much as they wanted to the FPS-mouse-skills required to get it from an independent to it still being there 12 hours later on the official site.

Lets keep in mind some of the big online stores might well put in a VERY big order for something like this. Unlike Dominion, 40K and esp Marine stuff will sell out really fast. So some stores likely chanced spending as much as they could afford wanting to get as much stock as possible. So some stores might well not get as much as they hope.


I think the worse thing is that GW didn't have enough pre-order 3rd party store bonus items for one-per-box. It's a minor thing, but a bit of a shame for the 3rd parties. I know a few are now using them for rewards for competitions/events related to the game.

 Platuan4th wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:
Hmm. I can't find anything from 3rd parties in the US cheaper than $250. Is that the standard GW store price?

That was the rumoured RRP.

If by "rumored" you mean "as stated in the give away terms", then yes.

Was it? I thought only the UK and AUD prices were in the giveaway terms and the US price was extrapolated from that (and/or leaked elsewhere).

I haven't seen any rumors about the US Price, but $250 is about what I would expect given the UK Price of £150.

It is interesting that GW has held a large amount of stock for their website compared to what seems to be going out in trade sales. However, without knowing the actual numbers, we don't know what percentage of production went to GW web/store sales and what when two trade sales. It could easily be a story of trade sales wanting way more than GW allocated for that channel despite a healthy percentage going there. It can also be a strategic decision by GW to ensure they don't get a public black eye from their website running out of stock of a high profile product in minutes. Without knowing the numbers, it is purely speculation as to why trade sales isn't getting what they want.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:
Hmm. I can't find anything from 3rd parties in the US cheaper than $250. Is that the standard GW store price?

That was the rumoured RRP.

If by "rumored" you mean "as stated in the give away terms", then yes.

Was it? I thought only the UK and AUD prices were in the giveaway terms and the US price was extrapolated from that (and/or leaked elsewhere).

The US version had an "10 units at $2500 USD value" listed.

Love these big box releases. Wait 1-6 months and you can pick up which half you want (Tyranids I'm my case) for 50-60$

Boosykes wrote:
Love these big box releases. Wait 1-6 months and you can pick up which half (Tyranids I'm my case) for 50-60$

Only for the common stuff that's also in the starter boxes.

The pattern for the rest was already established by Indomitus and AoS- the characters and rare units people actually want will be sold direct for $160 for a single sprue of 8-9 models.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Honoured-Of-The-Chapter-2021

He's assuming 2nd hand market will supply him in 6 months.

To be fair the 2ndhand for Tyranids will likely be healthy for a while. Plus we likely have a Partworks magazine coming that will replenish those cheap models for some.

Marine content might well be harder to get hold of as there's a much bigger market.

6h and still available.

Scalpers must be fuming lol.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair the 2ndhand for Tyranids will likely be healthy for a while. Plus we likely have a Partworks magazine coming that will replenish those cheap models for some.

Marine content might well be harder to get hold of as there's a much bigger market.

Probably right. Luckely the only models that I like the look of on the marine side is the librarian and the standard terminators. So not really fussed on them.

If I see those at a great price I might grab them also.

tneva82 wrote:
6h and still available.

Scalpers must be fuming lol.

Good. The Queue must be a Tau Drone, for the Greater Good and all...

tneva82 wrote:
6h and still available.

Scalpers must be fuming lol.

Why? They lost a chance to make money but they can cancel their orders whenever they want this week.

 Matthew Flamen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
6h and still available.

Scalpers must be fuming lol.

Why? They lost a chance to make money but they can cancel their orders whenever they want this week.

You think they don't want money? Why you think they scalp? For fun of it?

People are already pre-selling individual models on Ebay.

I think I'm gonna hold off to see if I can score a biolgois for around $15.

A bit concerning that somehow, some of the sellers have over ten models available. Maybe they only ordered a few boxes and will refund buyers if they run out?

Scalping is just capitalism.

tneva82 wrote:

 Matthew Flamen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
6h and still available.

Scalpers must be fuming lol.

Why? They lost a chance to make money but they can cancel their orders whenever they want this week.

You think they don't want money? Why you think they scalp? For fun of it?

I find hard to believe that they expect to get a profit always, they win some and lose some. They may have reasons to be annoyed, but not fuming. I was curious if I was missing something, but I see you were just being edgy.

You can still buy Leviathan what the hell are you on about?

 Grot 6 wrote:
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One, it's spelled 'queue'. Two, noting the main site still has it in stock goes to show things have, on the whole gone far better than say any of the new kill team releases. Now, there can be complaints made about how many were available to third party retailers, but that wasn't in your rant, just a bunch of inaccurate statements.

 Gert wrote:
You can still buy Leviathan what the hell are you on about?

It's like they pre-typed that a week ago.

Good to be a Youtuber or a scalper, at least they all got theirs, which is the main thing...

That seems an overreaction, considering the last word was '6 hours and still available, scalpers must be angry' from the lands down under.

re-sellers still make profit as there are enough people who just want the models or the rulebook

if you split up the box you will make profit
it might not be worth the time you need to do it but still more money back than you spend

200€ MSRP, rulebook+gaming material can be sold for 50-60€, and the models for 90-100€ per faction
you already make profit, more if you get the box with discount
same as if you start one faction of those, got 2 boxes and sell off the rest, but those will be slightly lower and rather go with 40-50€ for the book and 70-80€ for the models

and yes, if you buy the box on discount and sell of the models and rulebook on your own it will be cheaper, but it is also more work
at the same time, buying the marines for 100€ is still cheaper than buying the whole box for 200€

and this is nothing new but always has been that way while the 2 player boxes were the only way to get certain stuff

if you want to start 40k on a budget, don't buy now at all but wait till Codex Marines and Tyranids hit the shelf

Removed - rule #1 please..

Didnt have a problem with my online shop (15% of) and not at GW site only had to wait for 1 hour. So it was a nice day without troubbles

 Grot 6 wrote:
Mod edit. removed

Nothing like posting pre-written rant assuming it went badly without bothering to check did it eh?

Right came back from a day out... and looking at GW store Im in a queue?

Element still says : This product is no longer being distributed by Games Workshop, and can only be bought directly from their website.

Wayland I dont trust that store stocks ever.

So I dont want to buy this since after thinking about getting these 75 models added to the pile of shame I took a look at what I actually have... and Im actually shocked. Im downsizing!
But if I wanted in the morning I would be out of luck and now seems the same. Not everyone has HOURS to be on a queue for toys.

You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

tneva82 wrote:
You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

Taking something like 2 hours to sort this out is not acceptable or having to travel to actually go to a store (if you have one ) is not acceptable either. It's a hobby and toys and in the great scheme of importance it's literally at the bottom of my to do list.

Its specially hard to get GW products and guess what should be exactly the opposite for a hobby company.

 Gert wrote:
You can still buy Leviathan what the hell are you on about?

Exalted!

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

You can still buy it from gw.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Right came back from a day out... and looking at GW store Im in a queue?

Element still says : This product is no longer being distributed by Games Workshop, and can only be bought directly from their website.

Wayland I dont trust that store stocks ever.

So I dont want to buy this since after thinking about getting these 75 models added to the pile of shame I took a look at what I actually have... and Im actually shocked. Im downsizing!
But if I wanted in the morning I would be out of luck and now seems the same. Not everyone has HOURS to be on a queue for toys.

You're in the queue because the US is up next for our preorders to start. It says so right there.

If you'd gone at any point before 12pm Eastern, there was either zero queue or a minute tops.

I wanted to look up some Centaurion 360s, but apparently you can't access the EU site due to US pre-orders starting soon.

Guess they have no back end toggle for region switching and were forced to shut the main gate so that people didn't sneak in before the hour?

In other news, my FLGS still has 10+ copies of Leviathan for purchase, though that might be due a lower than usual discount.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I wanted to look up some Centaurion 360s, but apparently you can't access the EU site due to US pre-orders starting soon.

Guess they have no back end toggle for region switching and were forced to shut the main gate so that people didn't sneak in before the hour?

More/less. Every region gets locked out. It's how the scraperbots were able to get in and out so quickly, grabbing the URLs for the product from other regions.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

There was a solid 4 hours where there was no queue on GW. There is a queue now because it's the pre-order window for the USA. It is available, you just aren't willing to wait.

Andykp wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

You can still buy it from gw.

Im there now and in a queue! So I dont know that

 kodos wrote:
while the other part was often worth the full box price, remember when Orc Copters being core box only, re-seller were happy to buy the boxes and sell the copters at high prices and made a profit with selling everything else at 50%

Nonsense. I started with that very box and the ork half could be gotten dirt cheap on ebay, even years after GW stopped selling AOBR. During 5th an ork half without the templates or the rulebook could easily gotten for a third of the box price.

Source: I own 30 AOBR Koptas.

So swung by Chaos Cards, my local FLGS, and put my name down.

They’re getting 18 copies, and I’m number 11.

So all good in my hood.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Right came back from a day out... and looking at GW store Im in a queue?

Element still says : This product is no longer being distributed by Games Workshop, and can only be bought directly from their website.

Wayland I dont trust that store stocks ever.

So I dont want to buy this since after thinking about getting these 75 models added to the pile of shame I took a look at what I actually have... and Im actually shocked. Im downsizing!
But if I wanted in the morning I would be out of luck and now seems the same. Not everyone has HOURS to be on a queue for toys.

You're in the queue because the US is up next for our preorders to start. It says so right there.

If you'd gone at any point before 12pm Eastern, there was either zero queue or a minute tops.

I was on a queue in the morning for 45minutes and gave up since my life has priorities XD. Logged in now and same shizzz XD So will have to wait for when the stars align or something.
No problems whatsoever just reporting if you are a casual collector with a busy life its SPECIALLY hard to order things from GW these days and you guys arguments dont seem to hold much evidence against that.

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

Taking something like 2 hours to sort this out is not acceptable or having to travel to actually go to a store (if you have one ) is not acceptable either. It's a hobby and toys and in the great scheme of importance it's literally at the bottom of my to do list.

Its specially hard to get GW products and guess what should be exactly the opposite for a hobby company.

Funny. If I want to order 2nd one I CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

You choosing not to buy is your choice.

It's still on sale. You just refuse to buy it and blame GW for your decision to choose not to buy it.

tneva82 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
You choosing not to wait isn'j same as out of luck. Your choice.

The choice of not being available during anytime on the first 24 hours of preorders day is not mine.

Taking something like 2 hours to sort this out is not acceptable or having to travel to actually go to a store (if you have one ) is not acceptable either. It's a hobby and toys and in the great scheme of importance it's literally at the bottom of my to do list.

Its specially hard to get GW products and guess what should be exactly the opposite for a hobby company.

Funny. If I want to order 2nd one I CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

You choosing not to buy is your choice.

It's still on sale. You just refuse to buy it and blame GW for your decision to choose not to buy it.

WTH have you read what I posted... Im actually on a queue now. Nothing moving. IF I WANT TO BUY NOW... I cant.

Yeah, I don't think there is really going to be a stock problem in the US.

Most retailers have been taking preorders since early this morning and still have preorder inventory. For example, Mythicos got 50; they still have 30 available.

https://www.mythicos.store/collections/10th-edition-release/products/leviathan-box-set-pre-order-releases-6-24-23

I have my son today/this weekend so I didn't really care about pre-ordering. Just checked GW site, it referred to the English site where nothing about Leviathan was up. So I checked my usual German sites and but one they are sold out, too. German GW site has it still available, too. If I get a discount box, I get one, if I don't...eh, I never got to paint my old Nids, anyway. And my LGS had AoS 3.0 boxes for years, with extra diacou

What I'm actually bummed about is that I now get a notification about a queue and Leviathan in the US when trying to go on the GW site to look at 360 images (which is what I'm really interested in, to check the new Terminator proportions). Stupid phone browser.

Queue isn't related to phone but to ensurb servers work now that us preorders are happening. And give middle finger to scalpers.

Yeah, if you want the queues to go away to do something else on the website, you're best served by getting out of the way so preorders can happen.

Once the rush is processed, website functionality will go back to normal.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I have my son today/this weekend so I didn't really care about pre-ordering. Just checked GW site, it referred to the English site where nothing about Leviathan was up. So I checked my usual German sites and but one they are sold out, too. German GW site has it still available, too. If I get a discount box, I get one, if I don't...eh, I never got to paint my old Nids, anyway. And my LGS had AoS 3.0 boxes for years, with extra diacou

What I'm actually bummed about is that I now get a notification about a queue and Leviathan in the US when trying to go on the GW site to look at 360 images (which is what I'm really interested in, to check the new Terminator proportions). Stupid phone browser.

Kutami has a good discount and apparently still stock of the German box. For 160 Euros free shipping it’s a very good deal

Edit:
…aaand it’s gone.

My local retailer of choice had their stock sell out in around 40 minutes, give or take, though this was probably also due to them not implementing a "one per customer" restriction.

They're waiting until Monday to see if there will be more stock allotted to them, or if there'll be a made to order run. Hopefully not, high time GW puts regular production back in order already.

Does eBay work differently in the UK? Do they not have listings like the US?


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 BrookM wrote:
My local retailer of choice had their stock sell out in around 40 minutes, give or take, though this was probably also due to them not implementing a "one per customer" restriction.

They're waiting until Monday to see if there will be more stock allotted to them, or if there'll be a made to order run. Hopefully not, high time GW puts regular production back in order already.

It seems like the UK has a real scalper issue. In the US there's several listings with 'more than 10 available' for discounted pricing. In the UK it looks like scalpers ran out and immediately reposted their discounted boxes for absurd prices. Someone even has the gall to list for £700.

The lowest buy it now is £200.

Did Wayland or Element limit to one per customer?

19:28

Still copies available direct from GW.

I just did a deep dive into the SM data sheets. Looks like my Ultramarines came off pretty much intact. The only things that will be Legends are a Rapier, the Imperial Space Marine, and a Terminus Ultra. The only other casualty is that I used Vextrix Guard on their own, but now you need to have Calgar too.

Too bad my Deathwatch marines have been gutted for weapon options.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I just did a deep dive into the SM data sheets. Looks like my Ultramarines came off pretty much intact. The only things that will be Legends are a Rapier, the Imperial Space Marine, and a Terminus Ultra. The only other casualty is that I used Vextrix Guard on their own, but now you need to have Calgar too.

Too bad my Deathwatch marines have been gutted for weapon options.

FYI this index includes units that have been specifically mentioned as going into Legends

Don't expect them all to be in the codex in September-ish.

Why is there a 37 minute queue to get onto the Forge World website? at 20:48 uk time?

Looks like GW's queuing system isn't perfect!

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Why is there a 37 minute queue to get onto the Forge World website? at 20:48 uk time?

Looks like GW's queuing system isn't perfect!

Same server, same databases. Gw not paying double server costs to avoid fw queue in these rare cases.

9pm UK time and Leviathan is still on sale on the GW website.

 Gert wrote:
9pm UK time and Leviathan is still on sale on the GW website.

Yeah the queue system and amount of stock available direct seemed to work better than previous launches for sure. Dont think anyone would have an issue getting from GW direct.

I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

I'm sure someone will try.

Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

Hate to rub it in but the UK site is saying it's still in stock over here. 12 hours and counting for a non-MTO edition starter box is really damn good.
Still, it'll probably be gone by 10am UK time.

US webstore always sells out pretty quick, comparatively, and ends up cannibalizing the in-store sales to fulfill overflow.

Andykp wrote:
I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

No longer on Wayland. Just got back from work and was going to treat myself with an impulse purchase, but all they have is the Darius Hinks novel.

Which sucks to lose out on the Screamer Killer, but I'm more than happy to pick up one of the inevitable starter sets.

Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

And the UK store's performance in that regard shows that they really should be using that queue system for high profile launches (see: Gallowfall, Lion, Ashes of Faith, etc).

 Dysartes wrote:

Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

Oh, it absolutely is poor forecasting. But its a fine window for customers obtaining it if they want, which is what I care about. And they aren't even coming close to that milestone of 'poor performance' for a lot of things, as you mention.

Still about 40 copies locally at local games stores. Stock levels haven't moved after the initial hour of pre-orders.

It may be available on shelves for most of the edition, like the AoS Dominion box.

SamusDrake wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I just ordered one now, no queue. Have an order with waylaid games but don’t trust them so got another. Nearly 12 hours after you can still get it. You cannot say this Pre-order hasn’t worked well.

No longer on Wayland. Just got back from work and was going to treat myself with an impulse purchase, but all they have is the Darius Hinks novel.

Which sucks to lose out on the Screamer Killer, but I'm more than happy to pick up one of the inevitable starter sets.

I don’t trust wayland and their stocks so did the other order. If I get 2 I will happily off load one at cost. Just pm me if you want it (assuming wayland fulfil the order). Or I will be off loading the nids either way. Not looking to scalp anyone.


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 Dysartes wrote:

Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

Oh, it absolutely is poor forecasting. But its a fine window for customers obtaining it if they want, which is what I care about. And they aren't even coming close to that milestone of 'poor performance' for a lot of things, as you mention.

I don’t imagine forecasting showed anything other than a quick sell out. They could probably sell more but are limited by production and warehousing.

 Dysartes wrote:

Voss wrote:
Sold out in US/Canada on the GW site.
After about ~4 hours.

They've done worse, but 4 is pretty poor.

12 hours is pretty much the minimum acceptable, because at least someone working full time has a reasonable window to get to it.

24-48 hours would've been passable, but to me, 3-4 days is where it would start to be a decent preorder window. A full week is just about perfection- pretty much anyone without a severe emergency has an opportunity in a week.

It's meant to be a 2 week pre-order window - it's arguable that selling out within the week shows poor forecasting for demand.

And the UK store's performance in that regard shows that they really should be using that queue system for high profile launches (see: Gallowfall, Lion, Ashes of Faith, etc).

But, but.... GW SWORE they made more than enough for the launch.

You know that the webstore isn't 100% of the stock produced, right?

4 hours sellout for a 2 week pre-order says a LOT.

Yeah, that the queue system worked pretty well.

It wasn't until around 5pm, when the queue system went away, that the box suddenly just poofed.

Just sayin'.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, that the queue system worked pretty well.

It wasn't until around 5pm, when the queue system went away, that the box suddenly just poofed.

Just sayin'.

Glad it meets your low bar.

 TalonZahn wrote:
4 hours sellout for a 2 week pre-order says a LOT.

The two weeks aren't necessarily for selling the stock, they're for physically moving tens or hundreds of thousands of boxes around to where they're wanted.

 Gert wrote:
Hate to rub it in...

What exactly are you rubbing in? There seems to be a great drive amongst a certain group here to "prove" something about this release.

Independent stockists ran out sometimes within minutes. GW had to institute a traffic blocking queue to stop everyone (READ: scalpers) from insta-buying the entire run. The fact that they did this is a good thing, not some grand victory against those who have complained about GW's stock levels in the past.

Ashes of Faith still sold out within microseconds. Gallowfall still sold out within microseconds.

This release was 20x bigger, and still proves nothing.

It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

7am BST and it’s still available on the uk site. ITS A DISASTER!

Ashes of faith was an absolute mess, this seems to have been managed pretty well.

 totalfailure wrote:
It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

Likewise the same water carriers who say GW did a good job now because people had a whole 5 hours of time to buy the box at full retail and 0 time to buy it at discount in what was supposed to be a 2 week window would still say that even if GW went around town shooting puppies.

 totalfailure wrote:
It does, in fact, prove something - people were going to be eager to get on here and bash away regardless of what happened with this launch. Sells out in minutes ‘See, I told you GW is evil and doesn’t care about its customers’. Same person if it was still on sale two weeks from now - ‘See, I told you tenth was going to be a total flop’.

Yep.

People would complain even if gw offered free army to everybody each month.

As with most things in life, it's not as black or white as people on the internet want to make it!

Good = queue system to limit scalpers / direct from GW available online for at least a few hours in pretty much every location.

Bad = reports of very late lowered allocation for 3rd parties after being told "more than enough" / most 3rd party websites crashed (not GW's fault).

On balance, even the biggest critics have to admit it's cleared the extremely low bar of the last few months of limited releases.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What exactly are you rubbing in?

That it's nearly 24 hours after initial release in the UK and its still in stock over here while the USA sold out within a few hours.
Obviously the logistics of it are different what with it being easier to store more stock in the UK and the comparatively smaller population but its still a bit disappointing for the yanks.
And as for the rest of the rant, I'm not trying to prove anything. People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

people are angry because they can only buy it at full price, which is usually a little to much for most (as the mantra for GW is, not worth for MSRP but so much value at 20% off)

and all 3rd party stores here sold out, while still in stock with GW but the fact that the stores did not get as many boxes as they wanted is a conspiracy made up by the stores to increase fomo I guess?

Or stores not implementing queue and allowing single custoder buy 20+ boxes at once

Only limited # of customers able to buy at once and then 1 box and then wait hour is obviously going to slow sold out status.

you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Removed - rule #1 please

 kodos wrote:
you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Not to single customer no but i know many who bought 3-4 and checked several stores(which sold out fast) that they had no limit on box you can buy at once.

Compare to gw who sold 1 customer 1 ever 1 hour or so.

You really think not allowing everybody to buy at once and limiting single customer buy 1 at once has no effect on speed sales happen? Lol.

Whether a given online store received 1, 5, 10 or 1,000 units to sell? They’d still have sold out super quickly. So it’s all academic.

Wayland mentioned selling to thousands of customers in their FB post. So yeah some of these stores are ordering BIG volumes of sets.

As for the USA running out faster than most other territories, it strikes me that is simply GW having its normal stock issues with the USA. It might be that the USA is simply too big for GW and whilst GW expanded, the Pandemic market expansion totally swallowed all that up and more.

It might also be that the US market operates differently and might be harder to forecast sales volumes for. It might be that GW did all the same market research as in other territories; allocated stock accordingly and the US still boomed way more than they predicted it would.

Or perhaps GW has a ship heading to the USA with a second wave of stock and in 1 weeks time their main store will get a fresh wave to put on sale.



I know multiple 3rd party stores did a 2 wave approach. Some might even have done more through the day and just quietly done it rather than announce it.






Also can we really spin this out for 2 weeks to keep us all occupied whilst we wait for the release to arrive?

 Overread wrote:
Also can we really spin this out for 2 weeks to keep us all occupied whilst we wait for the release to arrive?

Some people will try, I'm sure.

We'll get more data sheets next week, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they're going to do with my armies. Fingers crossed some of them are handled well.

We'll get all we need to play next week. Could even run small tournament in weekend if feelimg adventurous.

24.6 is basically just a day to get hands on models.

Well according to Element games and numbers per client they had this on the preorder.

"Please note: This set is limited to 2 per customer, orders over this and multiple orders will be refunded. "

 Gert wrote:
People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

Same here in Germany. I can even still find it on 3rd party retailers for 10% off.

My third part seller of choice, Kirton Games, still have some on the go.

https://kirtongames.co.uk/products/warhammer-40000-leviathan

They ran a customer survey beforehand asking punters to register an interest to try and ensure no regulars would be disappointed.

I was hoping it would gave sold out by now so I didn't keep being tempted. I've skipped on this box as I have Marines up the ying yang already, don't want Terminators out of scale with my Black Reach vintage force and have little interest in Soace Gribblies.

tneva82 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
you have any proof that 3rd party stores sold all the boxes they got to a single person?

specially as stores replaced that queue system with a pre-order reserving list, which is effectively the very same as a queue but easier to handle for those having a physical store in combination with an online store

Not to single customer no but i know many who bought 3-4 and checked several stores(which sold out fast) that they had no limit on box you can buy at once.

Compare to gw who sold 1 customer 1 ever 1 hour or so.

You really think not allowing everybody to buy at once and limiting single customer buy 1 at once has no effect on speed sales happen? Lol.

Most of the online stores here were limiting to 1 per customer, to the point where I wondered if it was part of GW's T&Cs.

Gap Games were 1 per customer and they went from 600+ to 300+ in a few seconds and then gone in a couple of minutes. I don't know how many they started with, but over 600 was what I saw when it first refreshed.

TheCombatCompany seemed like maybe they had less, I only saw numbers in the 10's before it sold out. But Gap Games took expressions of interest and when they were allocated significantly below the number of EOIs they put their entire stock up for preorder rather than giving it to the EOIs. TheCombatCompany took EOIs but when they were told their allocation from GW they said only EOIs up until the middle of last week would be honoured, and the rest went on the website for preorder.

I think those are the two biggest etailers out here, but a few other online stores I checked were similar stories, limit 1 per customer, allocation was smaller than the number of EOIs, what did hit the online stores was gone in seconds.

The official online store has stock, but this is Australia, where the RRP is $420AUD, which I imagine it puts a lot of people off. If I couldn't get it for 20+% off I wasn't going to buy it at all.

One per order/customer is a good way to try and stem the tide of madness and also try and serve as many customers as possible. Even if there isn't a single scalper, but everyone buys two that halves the number of customers who can at least get a box.

It can also knock out some of the lower level scalpers.
Pro/experienced scalpers will always find tools and ways to get around it however they can even if they just try and brute-force the site to break.

One nice thing about the GW store still having copies is that it somewhat limits scalpers reselling to less than GW's price (I'd say significantly less, because the GW online store preorder was the boards which is probably the most valuable of the preorder bonuses).

It would also be cool if GW did a MTO thing if they sold out, as that would also limit scalpers.

There will also be a fresh wave when the boxes start appearing and people who have physical copies and excess start selling off the spare parts.




Also technically GW will do made-to-order - through retail copies and 3 starter sets (or likely 3).
I think they only did it with indomitus because everything was very messed up then

My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

Looks like the gameboards have sold out so now if you order from GW you're just paying more for nothing.

Taking another spin through Index Astartes, and I think my least favorite thing (aside from Vanguard Veterans getting screwed over like Chosen) is that the Suppressor Squad actually became useful.

 Gert wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What exactly are you rubbing in?

That it's nearly 24 hours after initial release in the UK and its still in stock over here while the USA sold out within a few hours.
Obviously the logistics of it are different what with it being easier to store more stock in the UK and the comparatively smaller population but its still a bit disappointing for the yanks.
And as for the rest of the rant, I'm not trying to prove anything. People want Levisthan and were worried for weeks that they wouldn't be able to get it. Here we are at 8am the day after pre-orders went live and it's still in stock for UK peeps.
I feel that is something people should know, don't you?

I can still order Leviathan right now ( at least 10 listings like this ).




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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Most of the online stores here were limiting to 1 per customer, to the point where I wondered if it was part of GW's T&Cs.

1 per customer doesn't mean much unless they have a setup like GW did. Anyone doing more than 1 per customer is just a dinner bell for scalpers.

Well the flgs I work for wanted 60 boxes of Leviathan. We were assigned 39 which was just enough to give all those who pre ordered 1 box though the few who wanted 2 don’t get 2. Also meant we had none for the shelf.

I personally thought this launch went well. If you accept that GW will never have been able to make enough for everyone in the world who wanted one, the fact it was still available in the UK at 8am this morning (its OOS now) and after I had waited in the online queue for over an hour yesterday means they probably got the stock levels about right.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
I personally thought this launch went well. If you accept that GW will never have been able to make enough for everyone in the world who wanted one, the fact it was still available in the UK at 8am this morning (its OOS now) and after I had waited in the online queue for over an hour yesterday means they probably got the stock levels about right.

No, you have to angry and criticise GW, reason will not be tolerated!

I agree, huge launch and they would never satisfy everyone, they made real effort to combat scalpers and all the stuff in the box will be available elsewhere very soon. With all the issues they have been having recently this a big win for them and I bet whoever was project managing the launch is having a nice weekend!

And now sold out on the U.K. Store.

We may yet see more copies made available if GW go cancelling sneaky multiple orders.

No longer available in the UK from sometime in the afternoon of Sunday from GW's online store.

EDIT: Ignore, Mad Doc beat my typing speed.

EDIT #2: I just hope for all of us that have ordered from online stores that they get the allocation they need. I dread that email stating 'GW have screwed us over and only sent a tenth of what we ordered'

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I have my son today/this weekend so I didn't really care about pre-ordering. Just checked GW site, it referred to the English site where nothing about Leviathan was up. So I checked my usual German sites and but one they are sold out, too. German GW site has it still available, too. If I get a discount box, I get one, if I don't...eh, I never got to paint my old Nids, anyway. And my LGS had AoS 3.0 boxes for years, with extra diacou

What I'm actually bummed about is that I now get a notification about a queue and Leviathan in the US when trying to go on the GW site to look at 360 images (which is what I'm really interested in, to check the new Terminator proportions). Stupid phone browser.

Kutami has a good discount and apparently still stock of the German box. For 160 Euros free shipping it’s a very good deal

Edit:
…aaand it’s gone.

Yeah, it's where I preordered. German edition - because English one was already sold out. The worst that can happen is getting the preorder money back. I might give the Nids away to take from my pile of shame

I'm still bummed out that there's no 360 views of the new Termis on the website (unless that's just my phone). My CSM Termis will remain on their sprues unless I can get them to look like the new loyalists*. Except with bigger power fists, those pretty much staying about the same size instead of getting ridiculously big was a grave mistake. Terminator powerfists should make Tor Garadon weep with envy.



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

 Binabik15 wrote:



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

That's the newest addition to the lore, their are both. The new Terminators are explicitly a mix of firstborn and primaris

Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

The Thunderfire Cannon is a odd unit. It consist of 2 models, but the second model is destroyed when the first one dies due to the Crewed Artillery rule. Therefore, the unit has only 6 wounds, not 12 as expected. However, there are a bunch of oddities due to having two models: Fights with Close Combat Weapon for both models; has to take into account both models when moving, shooting, and fighting; has to take into account both models individually for LOS and unit LOS.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

My read of that was both the gun and the gunner have the same statline, but there is the rule that once one of them dies, the unit is removed.

Seemed odd, but workable.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

Probably AWOL on a bender with the Neurogaunt Nodebeast after they drank a couple of Phospex canisters.

Last time they were seen with a Trygon Prime.

I have to see if my order will get delivered have two chances.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

I imagine allocation was probably based on past sales history and not just a 'every store gets x' concept.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

He's in Australia, might be different allocations there.




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 Dawnbringer wrote:


I imagine allocation was probably based on past sales history and just a 'every store gets x' concept.

That's possible too.

Comic companies do it all the time, your store can order as many copies of an issue as they'd like but you can only get the special incentive cover if you've bought at least XXX issues of some other book.

 alextroy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Odd that the Thunderfire Cannon calls out the existence of a "Techmarine Gunner", but doesn't appear to provide a profile for it.

The Thunderfire Cannon is a odd unit. It consist of 2 models, but the second model is destroyed when the first one dies due to the Crewed Artillery rule. Therefore, the unit has only 6 wounds, not 12 as expected. However, there are a bunch of oddities due to having two models: Fights with Close Combat Weapon for both models; has to take into account both models when moving, shooting, and fighting; has to take into account both models individually for LOS and unit LOS.

Yeah, it also has a total OC of four until it dies, is immune to normal battleshock tests (it’s dead the moment it would start taking them) and probably other oddities too.

Now I wonder if the other field artillery-type units will be treated similarly.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:



*and just like that I realized that I'm so out of touch with 40k lore since Rowboat Guilliman returned that I don't even know if those Termi dudes are "Firstborn" or Primaris

That's the newest addition to the lore, their are both. The new Terminators are explicitly a mix of firstborn and primaris

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Terminator suits, in the lore, have always been a bit of a "custom fit" job.

tneva82 wrote:

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Cawl discovered an ancient and lost technology called elastic

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Got to be uncomfortable for one of them. Either armour head too short or tall.

Cawl discovered an ancient and lost technology called elastic

He just reintroduced all the spandex, leotards and hairspray last seen in artwork in the OG Rogue Trader book

I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

Full kit can easily be this fall with the general codex.

Deathwing termis have to be done (for DW Knights and because they previewed the DW command squad), but there really isn't much of a reason to do separate BA and WG terminator kits. Just throw the decorative bits and bobs on an updated chapter sprue to accompany the relevant codex (even better if the termi bits are compatible with gravis armor). The DA release is relative soon on the release map, so this problem seems functionally solved by Spring.

GK at this point are unrelated enough that its a separate model range (at least for non-tanks). I'd hope they update them, but that's true of everything GK at this point.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think the older Termis will be phased out once they get around releasing the independent multipart sets for chapters etc.

That might be a while. We have easy to build starter termis, but GW would have to replace...

Terminators and Assault Terminators (assume they'll become one kit), Blood Angel Termis, GK Termis, Deathwing, Wolf Guard

We might be waiting well into 11th edition.

It's annoying, because I was going to buy some GK Terminators. I'd rather not now if there might be better ones just around the corner, but then again it might be years

New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

I expect Termies to get a proper kit within months, simply because they're such a massive update over the older kits.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

True. Summer 2024 at the earliest.

Standard terminators are likely in Autumn, and Deathwing Knights/Command Squad in Spring.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
New GK Terminators are definitely not going to be 'right around the corner'.

Noting the upscaling of Crowe, and that two kits does the majority of the Grey Knight range I wouldn't be surprised if they are redone this edition. But also, unsurprised if not.

 AduroT wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
My FLGS took the maximum allocation from GW for a bricks and mortar store (40 or 42) at full retail, and it was all pre-sold to store regulars before pre-sale orders went live.

I suspect he could have been allocated 100 and it still would have sold out.

When/where did you hear that? GW was pushing us to order sixty boxes of it.

That is in Australia.

Some combo online/bricks and mortar stores may get more but pure brick and mortar stores get allocated up to the low 40s maxiumum.

Last edition 40K another store pre-sold over 100 and then was only allocated somewhere in the 30s which was the maximum for that launch. Very embarrassing.

This might have been asked before, but the redemptor dreadnoughts has reduce damage by 1, but does not declare it can't go below 1. So does that mean it basically ignores all damage 1 weapons?

 Eldarsif wrote:
This might have been asked before, but the redemptor dreadnoughts has reduce damage by 1, but does not declare it can't go below 1. So does that mean it basically ignores all damage 1 weapons?

Unless FAQ'd at some point, yes. I can't see a rule against reducing damage to 0.

I completely expect there is a rule, in an glossary not included in the Core Rules PDF, preventing any characteristic from being reduced below 1.

I'm sure it's not at all concerning that the Leviathan box is "No Longer Available Online" instead of "Temporarily Out Of Stock Online". Not that I was planning on getting one anyway.

 alextroy wrote:
I completely expect there is a rule, in an glossary not included in the Core Rules PDF, preventing any characteristic from being reduced below 1.

But you can definitely reduce oc below 1.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
I'm sure it's not at all concerning that the Leviathan box is "No Longer Available Online" instead of "Temporarily Out Of Stock Online". Not that I was planning on getting one anyway.

It was always going to be a one and done boxed set.
Of course there is typically stock for physical sale at most GW stores and the 2nd hand market will be healthy for a while.

We'll also likely see 3 new starter sets with bits of Leviathan within it and a good chance of another Partworks magazine which will be Imperial VS Tyranids (most likely).


So there's ample time and ways to get the models, the rules and even find some discounts if you're willing to wait or hunt around a bit.


GW doing a made-to-order of Indomitus was somewhat exceptional because the whole situation was exceptional .