Automatically Appended Next Post: Doing a big update and Steve just picked up 12 falses. Ouch.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Massive updates to AM rumors. Natfka did well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So what are everyone's thoughts on tracking non-public rumors. Someone PM'd me directly some rumors that weren't public and wants to be tracked on them.
timetowaste85 wrote: Also, Pretre, I emailed you two days ago about the 11th being release day. Feel free to share my email and add me to the rumor tracker.
Keeping source safe again, but release date for 9th is July 11th. Stores are starting to get a heads up. I'll post properly in the thread in a week. If you want to add me to the board, I posted that there would be a big window (for GW) for the release of 9th. I'd say 5 weeks counts.
I'll talk about it in the Tracker thread. I'm unsure about tracking rumors that aren't public.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: Could you just make a news and rumor thread for PMed rumors, or post them in the relevant thread so that they are public?
I'd prefer not to. As much as I have a joke tracker for myself, I don't want to be a rumor tracker. There's also the problem of PM'd rumors being non-released to the public. It's easy enough to tell me 'don't release this until it comes out' and then when it is false they say 'Don't release it'. I dunno, seems like a lot of work for nothing to gain for the public.
Sounds like they want to build up a reputation for good rumors before going public. I suppose it's not a bad idea, but then the only proof they were right relies on Pretre's word which I'm sure would lead to some...interesting discussion.
Also the comparison to Naftka and his anonymous sources would surely follow. If Pretre posts them, he'll have to track it under himself since he leaked them.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: Could you just make a news and rumor thread for PMed rumors, or post them in the relevant thread so that they are public?
I'd prefer not to. As much as I have a joke tracker for myself, I don't want to be a rumor tracker. There's also the problem of PM'd rumors being non-released to the public. It's easy enough to tell me 'don't release this until it comes out' and then when it is false they say 'Don't release it'. I dunno, seems like a lot of work for nothing to gain for the public.
That's just an odd situation- say they're proved wrong, and you just say, "Hey everybody, here's a bunch of false rumors." It wouldn't be news by that time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Even stranger would be to not post them at all- someone just gets trues and falses with no explanation?
In my opinion the rumor tracker should only be used for public rumors.
Someone wanting to post anonymously through pretre? Simple enough, just give him a pseudonym and track him under it.
Or is this someone just telling you stuff without allowing you to pass it on, but expects you'll give him points for it and unveil his awesomeness at some later date?
Someone wanting to post anonymously through pretre? Simple enough, just give him a pseudonym and track him under it.
Or is this someone just telling you stuff without allowing you to pass it on, but expects you'll give him points for it and unveil his awesomeness at some later date?
The problem with posting through pretre is that he essentially become Nafkta. Posting anonymous rumors, and it could tank his credibility(if he cares for that) if there are a lot of falses. Plus you get in to someone running arumor tracker that they're taking part of- could be some issues with fair representation for other rumormongers.
Giving them psuedonyms makes anonymity useless. Some person is still being identified as a rumormonger, even if they aren't using their own account. They could be identified as a leak if they aren't jumbled in with other rumors.
There's also the problem that he wants me to hold the rumors. I.e. He PM's me on 1/1/2015 with a rumor to be held for 1/15/2015. It comes true on 1/13/2015 and he asks that I credit him the rumor.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Or is this someone just telling you stuff without allowing you to pass it on, but expects you'll give him points for it and unveil his awesomeness at some later date?
Sinful Hero wrote: Plus having a bad rumor record can earn you derision from many posters, sad to say.
True, unfortunately. I'm not terribly worried about that though. I just don't want to be fussed about dealing with that part of it. The tracker is already a big job.
Could it be they want to know the validity of their source, and are confiding in you(pretre) to help prove if they are reliable or not before trusting them more later?
Sinful Hero wrote: Could it be they want to know the validity of their source, and are confiding in you(pretre) to help prove if they are reliable or not before trusting them more later?
I think this is exactly it. I don't know how I help with this though. They could simply not post anything and hold onto the first couple of rumors to see what happens.
Sinful Hero wrote: Could it be they want to know the validity of their source, and are confiding in you(pretre) to help prove if they are reliable or not before trusting them more later?
I think this is exactly it. I don't know how I help with this though. They could simply not post anything and hold onto the first couple of rumors to see what happens.
You give them some validity- you run the rumor tracker. You say they were right with X rumors, they say here's Y. They start off on a good foot, and avoid the derision from posting bad info. I can especially see someone doing it who posts in this forum quite a bit wanting to avoid tanking their reputation.
The dark side of the ORAT is that it doesn't go away. If someone was mislead it can follow them for quite a while.
You have a reputation too you know. When you post someone is unreliable, you back it up with the ORAT, and that carries quite a bit of weight. Same as when you say someone is reliable.
What they are wanting(I'm assuming) is for you to come in and say "they were right", instead of "no rumors" when they go public.
I just realized that when someone posts rumors, you can just tell people to "Ask the RAT".
Mauler should be added to the list and dinged on several points, as he held himself out to be a valid rumor source, roundly denying a new Eldar, Dark Angels, and Space Marine codex. Let me just post up a bunch of screenshots I took a while back, and you can peruse the Mauler posts at your leisure.
Alpharius wrote: Well, you'd think that by now, since that's obvious, their clickthru rates have GOT to be declining/really low...
Nope, the people who go there don't pay attention to stuff like the tracker or whether what they post is accurate or not. They just like seeing posts about 40k.
Alpharius wrote: Well, you'd think that by now, since that's obvious, their clickthru rates have GOT to be declining/really low...
Nope, the people who go there don't pay attention to stuff like the tracker or whether what they post is accurate or not. They just like seeing posts about 40k.
That's me, there's a ton of stuff that ends up false, but it doesn't make it not fun to discuss it really.
Alpharius wrote: Well, you'd think that by now, since that's obvious, their clickthru rates have GOT to be declining/really low...
Nope, the people who go there don't pay attention to stuff like the tracker or whether what they post is accurate or not. They just like seeing posts about 40k.
That's me, there's a ton of stuff that ends up false, but it doesn't make it not fun to discuss it really.
I guess I don't get this. Why not just hang out in the proposed rules forum then? Discussing made up stuff that has little to no chance of coming true seems like a waste of time for me.
Alpharius wrote: Well, you'd think that by now, since that's obvious, their clickthru rates have GOT to be declining/really low...
Nope, the people who go there don't pay attention to stuff like the tracker or whether what they post is accurate or not. They just like seeing posts about 40k.
That's me, there's a ton of stuff that ends up false, but it doesn't make it not fun to discuss it really.
I guess I don't get this. Why not just hang out in the proposed rules forum then? Discussing made up stuff that has little to no chance of coming true seems like a waste of time for me.
Because about half the time it is true? I mean, sometimes he gets the jump on some stuff, sometimes he doesn't and it ends up false. Regardless there's a few people on there I enjoy "hanging out with" and discussing potential changes and reasons.
Its also kinda fun guessing whether its true or not and then seeing who's right when the dust clears.
I don't take it as gospel, if I want gospel I go to Lady Atia's Twitter where she only posts hard leaks. Rumors are rumors to me, I don't fully trust any of the rumormongers.
Well, a lot of the rumormongers are just click-bait mongers. Their whole goal for posting the made-up rumors is to garner clicks on their websites. I don't find much engagement in discussing the things they literally just make up for profit.
@pretre: Larry seriously can't get much more wrong! He's quite literally almost at zero with this last release. Hasn't he griped about dakka's rumor tracker before? I wonder what possible reason he would have to do that...
Shadowclaimer wrote: Because about half the time it is true? I mean, sometimes he gets the jump on some stuff, sometimes he doesn't and it ends up false. Regardless there's a few people on there I enjoy "hanging out with" and discussing potential changes and reasons.
Its also kinda fun guessing whether its true or not and then seeing who's right when the dust clears.
I don't take it as gospel, if I want gospel I go to Lady Atia's Twitter where she only posts hard leaks. Rumors are rumors to me, I don't fully trust any of the rumormongers.
That's the thing, it isn't even close to half the time anymore. Larry is at about 23% true. Natfka is around 38%. Steve the Warboss is around 27%. These are the people we're talking about who are just trying to farm clicks.
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (190 TRUE) / (597 FALSE) / (42 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (361 TRUE) / (824 FALSE) / (75 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Steve the Warboss - Total rumors: (38 TRUE) / (95 FALSE) / (10 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
If you wanted to talk about who is reliable and who you should discuss? You should be looking at Sad Panda (100% True), Atia (100% True), Hastings (82% true), Harry (79% True), etc. These folks are only incidentally wrong and almost always worth listening to. That's the purpose of the tracker: sorting the good from the bad.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (22 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Atia - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) 75hastings69 - Total rumors: (93 TRUE) / (18 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) Harry from Warseer - Total rumors: (57 TRUE) / (13 FALSE) / (2 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Automatically Appended Next Post: For funsies, here's every rumor monger with more than 20 tracks:
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"AM won't get a release this year. Tzeentch/chaos is after Tau. (TDK i don't know but chaos will be seeing more this year in the november at the very least. possible Xmas release. (or there abouts) but i have not been told anything about AM. i heard whispers of Tyranids, but no IG just yet.
BUT.....but i have been wrong before as have everyone else whom has supplied info's here. (it's all hit and miss until GW releases it- regardless of the source. as we have witnessed recently)
as always take the info any way you like."
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-Brom
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's interesting to note that he mentions that he has "been wrong before", but afaik he has not been either wrong or right yet according to the tracker?
we will be getting that new sorcerer. i initially thought it was a daemon, it could well be a chaos sorcerer (chaos space marine). regardless what i heard/was told: Tzeentch will see a release (if not rules aka dex, then models) Tau ~ Chaos ~ Tyranid......then maybe AM, then another Imperial dex, possibly a supplement followed by several repacks.for Tau: * new drones* new suits* possibly new kroot and vespids.Chaos:* updated dex/TDK (either or)* Havocs (we have heard this before, but increased price point, increased number of options in kit)* something new and big.* Cultists (idk if 10 or 20 man, just that they are coming)Nids:* expect new dex, or supplement containing last big wave of nids as well as several new strains represented.* re-pack of gaunts (with options for gargoyles- wings)AM:* hardback dex* sentinel repack* rough riders* new tank/terrain feature.Imperial Dex/Supp:* IDK. wasn't listening as i was focused on finding out chaos info's (but did hear to expect something around the end of this year/start of next year, could be a campaign, could be anything at this point)that's more or less i know or can divulge at this moment. now i fully do not expect this to come true nor do i expect anyone to take me serious due in part i never share pictures or verify my info. but take this with salt and know that some or all MIGHT be released (and in the order given above)
Sorry to bother you, Pretre. I just feel like these are worth a thread for in the N&R section so I made one. I would link you the post I just made, but I can't for some reason.. Oddly enough, I can still link the original post on B&C where these people gave rumors. So, apologies.. but you should be able to find my most recent thread here on Dakka easily
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry to bother you, Pretre. I just feel like these are worth a thread for in the N&R section so I made one. I would link you the post I just made, but I can't for some reason.. Oddly enough, I can still link the original post on B&C where these people gave rumors. So, apologies.. but you should be able to find my most recent thread here on Dakka easily
Here a little teaser of things to come in the next weeks, as far as i know
- Prosecutors, with different weapon options, f.e. spears and a two handed hammer
- Bloodreavers, they will have the option of two handed axes too
- Bloodwarriors with different weapon options (2 axes and these coole two-handed axes)
- Slaughterpriest and Skullgrinder clampacks
no ETA on them yet, so don't ask for it
greetings,
Lady Atia
Slaughterpriest and Skullgrinder are afaik still coming :p
Threads locked up tight now and Atia shot him down pretty succintly. Still, good to keep track of this so we know the make it up Larry Vela-tansNatfka-tans charlatans from the real rumours
I'm afraid that this might be a sign that Farsight Enclaves might be gong the way of the Iyanden supplement: no longer valid. Maybe they'll do the opposite of the Eldar codex, and just change it to Codex: Tau!
Keep an eye out for the campaign books. The odd "Decurion" or two may appear there.
The Tyranid Codex leak (claiming Synapse creatures will get the Eternal warrior SR) was faked. I did not read through the posts on Facebook but the topic was posted on several forums
Well, I heard nids on January... take it with a piece of salt... Lots of model that are not in the codex, and just a few codex still in 6ed... New gargantuan monster (there is one on each faction... one for the three eldars army, IK with the Empire (and baneblade with the IG), new tau armour, ork stompa, necron c´tan prission...). And also people said Genestealer Cult (no a madness, we have mechanicum, harlequins...).
pretre wrote: I've got internet issues until the 13th at the earliest, so if anyone sees any rumors that are coming out, let me know in this thread or by PM.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BOLS - Adeptus Astartes FB - Mikhael (sp?)
We’ve been hearing news that Tyranids may be the next full army release after Tau for awhile, come see the latest!
The Adeptus Astartes Community posted up this little snippet about what one of their people is saying. Personally I think the information may be right, but the time table is off.
GW seems to put out smaller type releases in November traditionally, as the rest of the year is normally take up by coffee mugs and other such impulse buys.
Via Adeptus Astartes 10-13-2015
Hot gossip. Exclusive!
Our little mole at Warhammer World has been whispering:
“In November a new Tyranid army is being launched as ‘super psychic’ monsters with new psychic monstrous and gigantic creatures being released as a independent army like the mechanicum and cult mechanicum”
Note: Just a rumour – we have no evidence or supporting photos….so please bear in mind that whilst this guy is very reliable….”add salt to taste” on this one!
We have also saw a nifty picture of what looks to be some Tyranids playtest rules recently, and the “normal” rumor folks seem all be saying January / Q1 2016 at this point for a re-launch of ‘Nids.
For November we’re hearing 2-3 weeks of Horus Heresy, and the slide into Holiday sales items with a splash of Age of Sigmar in there as well.
via rumormeister Mikhael
“The Horus Heresy Boxed Game will arrive in Early November. Looks like a release (no pre order) on November 7th.”
And that is the third rumor source pointing out a release date of the first week of November. Our previous schedule laid out a pre-order date date on either October 31, with a November 7th street date, so this fits in perfectly. The new piece of info is the lack of a pre-order, which would be unusual for GW. If true they may want it to come out with a big splash of excitement, or perhaps want to maximize impulse purchases if it is in any way a limited release.
PENDING Deathwatch Rumors - Nov 2015
via Larry Vela on Bols A source who spoke to BoLS on condition of anonymity, says:
Opposition force for the Deathwatch in the Boardgame is Tyranids.
Look for Genestealers, Warriors, Lictors.
There is a “box only” Lictor Character.
As with Betrayal at Calth – these are standard 40K models fully usable outside the boardgame.
There is chatter of potential Deathwatch op-for xenos expansions for the boardgame (Orks, etc…)
Maybe Voice of the Chaos Gods should get a pity partial for this guess, lol:
"Ragnar Blackmane
When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option."
MasterSlowPoke wrote: Maybe Voice of the Chaos Gods should get a pity partial for this guess, lol:
"Ragnar Blackmane
When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option."
Since I've kind of followed that release closely, I see there is a mistake regarding Archibald_TK WD rumours:
Dwarf Rumors - Jan 2016
via Archibald_TK on Warseer
And then the week after will be the Salamander Beast TRUE and the Standard Bearer/ Leaked Sprue. FALSE No prices for them yet.
This is not a rumour from him, it's a rumour that was posted on Faeit and associated to its name "mistakenly".
It's kind of difficult to show the posts now that Warseer is down, but I remember the discussion and the one who came forward as the source was actually "lbecks" and even so I seem to remember him saying that was not a rumours at all but some guesswork that was grabbed by Faeit.
Accolade wrote: But, but, all those rumormonger posts saying points were never going to happen!
Just wanted to see if this got captured, as it seems like a whole bunch of rumor mongers missed the mark on it (regarding the recent news of the General's Handbook for AoS)
I think the rumor mongers started piling in after this hit:
Warhams-77 wrote: It is not a point system, they (Official AoS page - the same people) had already posted there wont be one.
Maybe these are the already introduced event packages - instead of 40k now for AoS
Oguhmek wrote: There will be a points system, but it's not for the armies, it's for the players - you earn points by achievements in different scenarios. There was a leak about this for 40K a while ago right? Maybe it's AoS time now?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hard to tell who's a monger, and who's just wish listing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mitch seemed pretty adamant it wasn't points-
Bob on War of Sigmar wrote:My money is on : One day event rules for shop and maybe tournament pack (ALA steamrollers)
Mitch Cowen on War of Sigmar wrote:Ding ding ding. Give the man a prize!
Mitch... wrote:...Its not a pts system for warscrolls (that is never happening, so don't hold your breath lol). Its actually just the implementation of the event system, where you can track the points you gain and see where you rank across events happening all over the globe.
Yeah, I know a lot of them (Warhams-77 in particular) were just relaying what the AoS facebook page said, but for anyone who might have spun it as their own information it would be a good litmus test.
It also can just be a good indicator for which folks are just acting as go-betweens for information - Atia for instance, I have been wondering whether there is a source or whether they are always just compiling rumors.
Like Sinful Hero said, it looks like it's actually a little hard to tell here on many of them (like usual ). But I think Mitch is the one I was thinking of - he seemed to be caught a bit red-handed there! Thanks for compiling these, Sinful Hero (and pretre for updating!)
I'm relaying information from other sites (etc), and have no inside sources or am a rumormonger But if that is going to be tracked please start my record with the Harlequin release thread. I like quality information because I plan my purchases with it and so do members of my club. That's why I post quotes from those of whom we know they will most likely have reliable information. This will be wrong sometimes but it gives a good idea what's actually coming. My assumption based on what we had heard earlier was wrong regarding AoS points Very wrong it seems, which I'm happy to admit and now I'm looking forward to it getting released and the game benefitting from it.
The latest development with AoS (and the Specialist Design Team last year) is interesting. GW seems to begin reacting to community feedback again. It also looks like most of their more open conversation comes from the Warhammer Digital Team founded last year.
But the same people have denied the existence of the Renegade game and Death from the Skies during the last weeks on the official pages - when we already had heard of it from Archibald_TK and saw some picture leaks. Then they posted in-fiction teaser images shortly before preorder, so they definitely knew better. Blood Bowl teaser pics on the official BB page? Cool. But on the 40kFB page they made vague posts about Chaos Legions, but nothing that is helping really. So they (GW main) still deny releases until preorder?
Regarding AoS:
- What point system will be used? Per wound? Per equipment? Is it really a return to the WFB point system or something else? There is no book yet so how could we currently check what rumors have been wrong?
- The comment from Mitch Cowan was what we already knew from GW from the Las Vegas seminars, wasn't it? Was it outdated or not the complete picture? Back then GW personell announced a league point system (Tank something) we already saw photos of. As Mr. Cowan seems to be involved in organizing AoS leagues or tournaments maybe his assumption was based on that or other information available at the time. Well it was wrong from our current state of information but maybe even GW hadnt decided what to do back then. So I say carefull with the feathering.
Anyway, where are the 40k 8th Edition rumors to put our teeth into?
Couldn't find Mitch's comment that was screen-capped, and searching through his history it doesn't turn up so I assume it was deleted. He still has this post up.
After thinking on it, I'm not sure if any of them are worth tracking pretre. None of them appear to be dedicated rumormongers, and if they were they just relayed other information. Probably no need to bother with it unless sometime in the future they decide to start posting rumors on a more standard schedule.
As it stands, in my opinion putting them on the tracker would just be rubbing people's faces in a random bad call.
Warhams-77 wrote: I'm relaying information from other sites (etc), and have no inside sources or am a rumormonger But if that is going to be tracked please start my record with the Harlequin release thread. I like quality information because I plan my purchases with it and so do members of my club. That's why I post quotes from those of whom we know they will most likely have reliable information. This will be wrong sometimes but it gives a good idea what's actually coming. My assumption based on what we had heard earlier was wrong regarding AoS points Very wrong it seems, which I'm happy to admit and now I'm looking forward to it getting released and the game benefitting from it.
I wasn't planning on tracking you. So far, it looked like reposts from other sites and your opinions, rather than rumors. If that changes, we'll certainly get you on the tracker.
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Sinful Hero wrote: Couldn't find Mitch's comment that was screen-capped, and searching through his history it doesn't turn up so I assume it was deleted. He still has this post up.
After thinking on it, I'm not sure if any of them are worth tracking pretre. None of them appear to be dedicated rumormongers, and if they were they just relayed other information. Probably no need to bother with it unless sometime in the future they decide to start posting rumors on a more standard schedule.
As it stands, in my opinion putting them on the tracker would just be rubbing people's faces in a random bad call.
Warhams-77, appreciate what you do and you're "safe" . Thanks for getting the info over onto Dakka for these things!
Mitch is probably the only one who was presenting information as if it was his own - but I do think it was off. From the link Sinful Hero posted here:
Mitch Cowan • 6 days ago
Partially right. Its not a pts system for warscrolls (that is never happening, so don't hold your breath lol). Its actually just the implementation of the event system, where you can track the points you gain and see where you rank across events happening all over the globe.
I don't know if this would end up being "partially true / vague" or just not true... but yeah, it clearly wasn't accurate and was presented like he had some information on it.
No need to track unless he continues to post rumors, of course, one bad call is no biggie
8th Edition 40k and AoS Rumors: Blood Angels, Tyranids, Much More
This is a large section of rumors that I don't have a lot of information on, but its being talked about within some circles as I have heard references to it. So here is what I believe is the entirety of that rumor section I have been searching for.
Please remember that these are rumors. Salt required as normal for rumors like this.
via Something Awful in the their TG section:
"May as well drop some rumours here.
40k will get a new edition in September. It is a minor clean up of the
current rules, they won't even be changing the cover art, and they will put
an FAQ that covers the changes online. It's basically an amended reprint.
There will be two new campaign books this year, covering Blood Angels, Grey
Knights, Tyranids and Orks, and will include formations for all of them.
This is because they are the pre-formation codexes.
The studio knows there are problems with the Ork book, but there is no
clear direction as to where they want to go with it in balancing it with
the current codices beyond minor rewrites and adding formations. Ork Clan
formations are very likely.
GW are married to formations now, and will give the studio a brief of
things like do some formations for an army and how much the formation
should cost to buy the models for, ie a £200 formation.
On fantasy there will be a tournament format for AoS with points. The sales
plummeted for AoS but the current fantasy range sales look healthier than
before the change (though how much this is people buying stuff to finish
their collections I wasn't told). Feedback on the rules was incredibly
poisonous, and GW want to move past it and heal.
Bretonnians were going to be in the next WFB starter before it was scrapped
in favour of AoS, meaning there are some lovely plastics that made it to
prototyping that will likely never be seen now, including a hero on
hippogriff better than the Elf Prince from Island of Blood.
Lord of the Rings will include both the Strategy Battle Game and a new
version of War of the Ring where it is possible to play a ranked up fantasy
game, because Forgeworld know there is a gap in the market.
Forgeworld will have finished their new production facility at some point
next month, though they will not be available to order to store until the
production quality issues are solved and they can produce in the volume and
quality required.
GW will be launching an anonymous feedback system for staff next month, for
a number of reasons. Such as 50% of staff not passing 3 month probation and
25% of staff left not finishing the year, which is an eye watering turnover
even for retail. These will be gone through for action points, and followed
up at monthly meetings.
Kirby is now gone, and everyone is rejoicing because the new CEO plays the
game, won't force people out for telling it to him like it is (as Kirby did
to Alessio Calvatore after his presentation to the board where he told them
they were pricing out kids, which meant Jervis came back from holiday to
find out Alessio had resigned rather than be fired) and actively wants to
listen to people.
Forgeworlds star has been rising because of Horus Heresy and Betrayal at
Calth, and there are behind the scenes discussions about FW being delivered
to store and the Specialist Games range being available through the store.
The new store planograms are here to stay, though some stores don't have
enough shelving units.
Kirby in his new adviser to the board hasn't attended a single meeting now
the reins of power have passed to Kev Rountree, because they always seem to
be held when he is unavailable. Kirby also once loudly and publicly
announced no one played games and rules didn;t matter in a Throne of Skulls
tournament."
The readers here are just awesome for keeping their eyes and ears open. Here is a bit that gives a little insight that 1; Blood Angels up is coming, and 2; formations with assaults from deepstrike (nasty).
Please remember that this is a rumor. Managers are supposedly getting more information nowadays, but still give this the normal "rumor" status.
via BigBangA1 on Faeit 212 (thank you)
I am actually really interested in the new Blood Angel Campaign. I was at my the GW store in my area and had a chat with the manager there. He said he knew a Blood Angel update was coming and he was super excited for it. He said it featured formations with "assaults from deepstrike everywhere."
Seriously?, this is rather cool. Games Workshop will be launching a Global Campaign within a few weeks/months time. The details are still be worked on. Also new start up kits with low price points as low as £5 and up. That will be interesting.
This comes from a good source, who has been correct in the past about many things. Games Workshop is definitely building the hype for the Age of Sigmar. (as a 40k player.... yea I am jealous)
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
There will be a globel campaign for AoS coming up in a few weeks/months time.
It will have it's own website.
A living map.
All results will lead into the next book.
Details are still being finished.
A new start up section is coming for AoS with kits starting at £5 up.
On the finance front.
AoS is actually doing as well if not better then 40k in some areas.
There has been a decline in shop sales but with summer coming GW hope this should pick up.
Also.
No more leaks!
GW are going are no longer going to be holding back info.
You will know as soon as it happens.
GW’s flagship game has been rather quiet in recent months and AOS has been stealing the headlines in the meantime. I’m here to tell you that 40k is coming back in a big way.
-This year we’re going to see the start of something called “The time of Ending!” Games Workshop is going to advance the storyline.
-You’ve all heard the rumors of plastic Deamon Primarchs. I’m here to tell you they aren’t the only ones. Before Christmas this year we’re going to see the release of some loyalists as well.
-ROGAL DORN is going to be the first loyalist release. This is going to be a plastic kit specifically designed for 40k. He’ll be missing one of his hands, in it’s place will be a ranged weapon of some kind (this detail was quite sketchy however)
-Other Loyalists will also be returning eventually. Guilliman will be fully healed alongside some other surprises.
Here’s a big development: Some of the Primarchs will return to lead forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have different allegiances.
-Alpharius (or Omegon?) will be fighting against the forces of Chaos, whilst the Khan might return to battle the Imperium! (These details were sketchy and I believe these might just be examples)
-The plastic Primarchs will be specifically for 40k with different sets of rules, looks and wargear ALTHOUGH there might be overlap with some of the existing FW models.
-Magnus and Angron from the traitor side initially, followed by Perturabo. Angron is going to be a really big, imposing model
-Horus Heresy second boardgame will be released around November this year. People should be excited about this!
-Plastic Warhound will not be released this year.
-Warhammer 40k 8th edition will have 2 tiers of game. A streamlined version and more advanced play. Also free downloads for rules in the same way as AoS will start this year following the next campaign book. This will not be for all of the rules however.
-The time of Ending will lead into 8th edition which is out next year.
I asked on the page where they got their rumors from, they declined to acknowledge it. But I haven't seen any of those rumors anywhere else (except for vaguely related rumors about 8e and Primarchs), so it might just be bull.
Requizen wrote: I do appreciate the work you put into this, it's awesome!
It is getting a bit hard to parse, though. Would it make more sense for it to be a google spreadsheet of some sort instead?
Yeah, I'm not sure how to really proceed too much further. I thought about using one of the top posts to archive old stuff. I'm accepting of ideas though.
Pretre, have you added Warhammer TV to your rumor trackers yet? Seems they've thrown their hat into the ring with things like plastic TKsons and plastic SoBs
timetowaste85 wrote: Pretre, have you added Warhammer TV to your rumor trackers yet? Seems they've thrown their hat into the ring with things like plastic TKsons and plastic SoBs
Hi
firstly I want to thank you for putting this all together. Its a lot of work, and I appreciate the time you have dedicated to it.
Second there is a Guy who frequents TG by the name of Raziel, Most of the plastic SoB rumors are attributed to him, so I'm unsure if you count that as a 4chan one or rather him.
Atia- now i do have a bit of an issue with her regarding what I see as going back on her statement regarding SoB. the fact the GW Facebook team basically mocked a person for asking about them in reference to the bin video.
So if you are reading Atia. what do you say regarding the fact GW just put the kybosh on it?, did you in fact see them? or were you told like the aforementioned 4chan user? who has basically gone into radio silence?
From what is understood that user since lost his job ( supposedly), now I'm unsure how unless people were told to find leak sources or he did it on company devices ( which is just silly )
StupidYellow wrote: Hi
firstly I want to thank you for putting this all together. Its a lot of work, and I appreciate the time you have dedicated to it.
No prob
Second there is a Guy who frequents TG by the name of Raziel, Most of the plastic SoB rumors are attributed to him, so I'm unsure if you count that as a 4chan one or rather him.
Well, if you can find a signed post from him on TG, then we can attribute it to him. Otherwise, we have no way of knowing it is him.
Atia- now i do have a bit of an issue with her regarding what I see as going back on her statement regarding SoB. the fact the GW Facebook team basically mocked a person for asking about them in reference to the bin video.
We went over this in the CIA thread. She said this originally:
"Someguy: Wait, they weren't joking when they talked about Sisters of Battle?
Atia: Nope"
The only 'backpedaling' that I have seen is this on her blog:
"Me: Does this mean that your earlier predictions Re: Plastic sisters are still true?
Atia: There should be more plastic sisters on the way. No ETA though."
So if you are reading Atia. what do you say regarding the fact GW just put the kybosh on it?, did you in fact see them? or were you told like the aforementioned 4chan user? who has basically gone into radio silence?
From what is understood that user since lost his job ( supposedly), now I'm unsure how unless people were told to find leak sources or he did it on company devices ( which is just silly )
StupidYellow wrote: Hi
firstly I want to thank you for putting this all together. Its a lot of work, and I appreciate the time you have dedicated to it.
No prob
Second there is a Guy who frequents TG by the name of Raziel, Most of the plastic SoB rumors are attributed to him, so I'm unsure if you count that as a 4chan one or rather him.
Well, if you can find a signed post from him on TG, then we can attribute it to him. Otherwise, we have no way of knowing it is him.
Atia- now i do have a bit of an issue with her regarding what I see as going back on her statement regarding SoB. the fact the GW Facebook team basically mocked a person for asking about them in reference to the bin video.
We went over this in the CIA thread. She said this originally:
"Someguy: Wait, they weren't joking when they talked about Sisters of Battle?
Atia: Nope"
The only 'backpedaling' that I have seen is this on her blog:
"Me: Does this mean that your earlier predictions Re: Plastic sisters are still true?
Atia: There should be more plastic sisters on the way. No ETA though."
So if you are reading Atia. what do you say regarding the fact GW just put the kybosh on it?, did you in fact see them? or were you told like the aforementioned 4chan user? who has basically gone into radio silence?
From what is understood that user since lost his job ( supposedly), now I'm unsure how unless people were told to find leak sources or he did it on company devices ( which is just silly )
Link to this?
again. in 4chan. ill try to sift through stuff . it was several days ago.
secondly you pointed me here to discuss it was i incorrect?
look any leaks we get are fine and good, however people should admit if they received wrong info.
again. in 4chan. ill try to sift through stuff . it was several days ago.
secondly you pointed me here to discuss it was i incorrect?
look any leaks we get are fine and good, however people should admit if they received wrong info.
I sorted through 4chan for Raziel and Plastic and didn't find much of any use. I also have not found any other statements from Atia regarding Plastic sisters. I think people may be confusing her actual statements and when she reposted (with attribution) other people's rumors on B&C.
And yes, this is the proper place to talk about rumor accuracy.
One was already tracked. I guess I could track the cape thing.
Basically, I'm asking for links to something else that she said about SOB, because everyone keeps saying she has put down something definitive and she hasn't. She said that they weren't joking and that they were still coming (and now that there capes were separate pieces). There's no backtracking there.
To continue with the conversation on the rumor section on DakkaDakka I have searched through several threads of rumors and will post soon what I found regarding Exodites. Atia's comments were clearly intended as 'Exodites? Maybe'. The ones we had problems to find and were quoted on other forums are originally from Disqus. Atia has set her profile to private and therefore the posts are only accessable and searchable via the blog posts (afaik).
I could not find the event report yet with the Black Library author's hint at Exodites models but will continue searching. I'm currently reading through January 2016 threads on B&C on several subsections and it takes some time.
Warhams-77 wrote: To continue with the conversation on the rumor section on DakkaDakka I have searched through several threads of rumors and will post soon what I found regarding Exodites. Atia's comments were clearly intended as 'Exodites? Maybe'. The ones we had problems to find and were quoted on other forums are originally from Disqus. Atia has set her profile to private and therefore the posts are only accessable and searchable via the blog posts (afaik).
I could not find the event report yet with the Black Library author's hint at Exodites models but will continue searching. I'm currently reading through January 2016 threads on B&C on several subsections and it takes some time.
While I would love to see Space Pandas or Vampires or Ptera-Squirrel, sadly none of them haha.
Yeah, we will see Exodite Eldar - no ETA yet, and not soon though.
Sisters of Silence and Custodes are done by Forgeworld. Sisters of Battle and Chaos Space Marines need more or less a whole new range ala Dark Eldar/Necrons/Orks (from 2nd to 3rd).
The best way to track down her posts on her blog now is to use google and the 'site:' mechanic.
So for example, I used
site:war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com atia exodites
and found that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There is temporarily an issue where the first post is stopping at 'Helterskelter'. I've posted in Nuts and Bolts to see if we can figure out why.
Thanks, Petre, it helps but I could not find that event report with a BL author stating an Exodites is highly likely. In addition to your quote from Atia I found another one
Atia - B&C
Volth, on 07 Feb 2016 - 8:07 PM, said:
Atia, on 07 Feb 2016 - 7:59 PM, said:
Sete, on 07 Feb 2016 - 7:59 PM, said:
Hmm more plastic heresy then. This is awesome news for me, due to my dreadness of Resin. Unless its mechanicus. Which will probably be.
i didn't say plastic heresy ^^ armies that may be used in both settings, mind that
Exodites. Whoop whoop!
..I want them so bad.
Lets say .... maybe Nothing set in stone yet, so lets say maybe.
Always trying to keep my eyes and ears open, Whisky Priest shared with us yesterday afternoon that he had heard talk of a second Triumvirate Box Set. This set focused on Dark Eldar, Craftworld Eldar, and an Exodite. hmmm.
via Whisky Priest on Faeit 212
Heard a rumour that there will be a second 40k triumvirate box, with a dark eldar, craftworld chappy and an exodite!
This is the same source that told me about Celestine coming back.
So fingers crossed for exodites!!
Automatically Appended Next Post: As an aside, I have RSS feeds set for Atia, Natfka, BOLS and some others so I don't miss their posts on their blog. It's the random stuff on Dakka, B&C, etc that I usually miss and need to track down.
Another good side effect of RSS feed is that I don't give BOLS and Natfka clicks a lot of the time while keeping an eye on their site.
What should we do if we are on another site and someone says something in the comments section? I just saw what could be considered a new rumour for 8th edition release date that I never saw before.
Davor wrote: What should we do if we are on another site and someone says something in the comments section? I just saw what could be considered a new rumour for 8th edition release date that I never saw before.
Link me over to it by posting here is the easiest way.
pretre wrote: Tons of updates. Guilliman was good to a lot of folks; not so much some others.
I wonder how much of that is dumb luck though?
If they didn't get at least Cypher & Guilliman, no credit!
Well, the dreadknight Guilliman poster got a false. But a bunch of folks said Guilliman was next and/or Cypher. Interesting.
I mean, there comes a point where we might need to get a bit...more stringent aye?
Guilliman and/or Cypher is not really the same as "Guilliman and Cypher are coming in a box together".
I don't know. Maybe I'm just feeling particularly picky because every week at my local shop I have to hear people regurgitating BoLS & Faeit rumors. It's disheartening to see the work that you, pretre, put in ignored by people who just pay attention to clickbait.
Ah Pretre, some one is claiming you are not updating your rumour tracker and can't be taken seriously. Sorry can't remember where, but just wanted to let you know.
Davor wrote: Ah Pretre, some one is claiming you are not updating your rumour tracker and can't be taken seriously. Sorry can't remember where, but just wanted to let you know.
You can always refer them here. I update it about every week or two and catch the majority of stuff.
"Here you will find a continually updated Games Workshop rumor and leak tracker. This will be updated as new rumors or leaks come in, this will function as resource for checking back through time. Don’t expect the rumor leak compendium to be the first to a rumor or leak, instead it will be a convenient way to remind yourself of what is and what might be coming in the future to Games Workshop. No Images of leaked products will be in this compendium because at that point isn’t a rumor anymore.
Updated as of 02-13-17
Rumors will not be checked for veracity and since this compendium won’t be part of the rumor rat race you won’t see credit given, because the truth is there is no honor among rumormongers.
"
Hmm. Well, that isn't helpful. Since there's no dates, no sources, etc. it really doesn't work as a source, so if he updates it exclusively, it won't get any tracks/credit.
"Here you will find a continually updated Games Workshop rumor and leak tracker. This will be updated as new rumors or leaks come in, this will function as resource for checking back through time. Don’t expect the rumor leak compendium to be the first to a rumor or leak, instead it will be a convenient way to remind yourself of what is and what might be coming in the future to Games Workshop. No Images of leaked products will be in this compendium because at that point isn’t a rumor anymore.
Updated as of 02-13-17
Rumors will not be checked for veracity and since this compendium won’t be part of the rumor rat race you won’t see credit given, because the truth is there is no honor among rumormongers.
"
Hmm. Well, that isn't helpful. Since there's no dates, no sources, etc. it really doesn't work as a source, so if he updates it exclusively, it won't get any tracks/credit.
Rofl. That guy
Keep your work up Pretre and ignore the trolls ^.^
Also regarding the battlefleet game - afaik they want to start with the heresy setting, as it's easy to do. To give you some examples - this is similiar to AT and Necromunda. Necromunda needs lots of terrain, so it's easier to use current 40k armies and release the terrain first with Forgeworld supporting Necromunda and the "classic gangs" later - atleast that's the plan afaik. Adeptus Titanicus is easy to do because you only need one army - titans. That said, AT is gonna be big (if it sells) and they want to use it to show all the awesome titans in the background.
So from what I know, the current plan is to do the battlefleet game set in the heresy first because you can start with one fleet and expand later on. Hence I call it Battlefleet Heresy for now (similiar to the working title of the next horus heresy book which was Angelis initially but is now Angelus afaik - or maybe the spelling was of between lis and lus haha^^ - see my comment from february last year http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319621-is-it-confirmed-that-signus-and-thramas-are-same-book/?p=4316361).
@pretre: How does the tracker work? Are there blogs that you recommend over others? I generally just go to Faeit...
@thread: any 40k 8th release date y'all think is likely? I have players without a lot of cash that Im advising to hold off until then....
The tracker is just a list of every rumor I can find with a link and an assessment of whether those rumors were true, false, etc.
I recommend Atia's blog that I listed above. Other than that, there are some other rumor mongers on here and other places (Sad Panda, Hastings, etc) that are good but don't have their own blog.
8th is probably next year, from what I heard out of Adepticon.
Shadow War shipped with Templates and weapons/rules that mention template weapons. They're probably not gone unless they only exist for boxed games... so unlikely haha.
Requizen wrote: Shadow War shipped with Templates and weapons/rules that mention template weapons. They're probably not gone unless they only exist for boxed games... so unlikely haha.
Shadow War is Necromunda rules not 40k much less 8th edition.
Automatically Appended Next Post: but this is not the thread to discuss the content of rumors!
pretre wrote: Reminder to add this when I get back from vacation:
You know where they took this rumor from? It comes from Warseer, the 'New marines'-rumor thread page 3 (and more rumors on the same page and pg 4 from the same source). Worth tracking both
Edit: These are all his posts from pg3 and pg4 compiled
Williamsond - Warseer
my source (who was spot on about the plastic primarchs and fantasy with round bases), seems to be pretty sure both the plastic thunderhawk and the new marines faction rumours are true (along with a load of stuff about 8th) and we will see them this year. The only thing he's gotten wrong in the past was when the titanicus game would be released he had said it was due this spring but looks like its going to be later this year/ early next year now.
all said and done if we don't see a plastic thunderhawk around the same time as the next edition (summer) I would be very surprised.
[...]
he pretty much confirmed a lot of what's going around the rumour mill:
1, Codexs are done and will be replaced on launch day with war-scroll style release much in the vain that AoS was.
2, Gone are templates, weapons will instead do random numbers of wounds much like flamer do now in overwatch.
3, Vehicle armour values are gone, vehicles will instead get multiple wounds (expect even the most basic tank to have a lot of wounds double figures) heavier weapons will however do multiple wounds too.
4, Weapons will have a armour save modifier much like second edition rather than an ap value, so you have a save and this is reduced depending which weapon you're shot with, rather than getting full save until your ap value is beaten.
5, Early summer release date, I think he said June but it may have been July my memory isn't what it used to be .
6, Rules will be simplified but not to the extent of AoS like Aos there will be three ways to play open narrative and matched.
7, Charging from vehicles is back not just assault vehicles, expect to see rhinos full of assault marines as far as the eye can see...
Like I said a lot of this has been confirmed already to be true, so I expect all the other stuff will be true too. He was quite positive about the changes and others I have gained info from who are in the know "so to speak" say that the secret play testing they did with the wider community seems to have been time well spent. I know there's a lot of guys out there now who are sitting on NDAs who know a lot more but for obvious reasons are being very tight lipped.
[...]
if all the stuff I've been told is true this is going to be the edition of vehicle rush close combat, looks like we'll have to wait until 17 June to see
[...]
It's very strange to see all the big 40k sites are running with my rumour list today, even a lot of the other sites like bolter and chain sword etc are talking about it. However with the amount of hate and dismissive comments I've seen I'm glad I'm not being credited as the original source.
[...]
sorry all I've been told is that AV is gone and replaced with a profile and lots of wounds.
Just in response to a lot of rage I've seen in other places, To clarify I'm not saying army books won't return in some future shape but that the current batch of codex's will be no longer use-able and will be replaced with free stuff on launch day much like its been done in the past with older editions. Army books will return in good time but in more of the vain that current AoS books are released.
timetowaste85 wrote: Sounds like you might have some incoming "falses". Sounds like FW is doing a new resin Thunderhawk.
I did a search on thunderhawk in the file and didn't see any for that. People just kind of assumed the FW announcement was plastic, but I didn't see any rumors that hadn't been hit already.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Whoops, found one. The new guy we were talking about on this page.
pretre wrote: So you posted a release list? I'll have to rely on someone else helping me out with that. I don't remember whether that was prior to or not.
In other news, massive update to the first post. I think I got all the 8th rumors.
pretre wrote: So you posted a release list? I'll have to rely on someone else helping me out with that. I don't remember whether that was prior to or not.
In other news, massive update to the first post. I think I got all the 8th rumors.
I am the OP on a 25+ page topic , pretty please
Find me a link to a release date for those items and it will make it a lot easier.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm updating it. Also, please don't be all cringy.
pretre wrote: So you posted a release list? I'll have to rely on someone else helping me out with that. I don't remember whether that was prior to or not.
In other news, massive update to the first post. I think I got all the 8th rumors.
I am the OP on a 25+ page topic , pretty please
Find me a link to a release date for those items and it will make it a lot easier.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm updating it. Also, please don't be all cringy.
Pretre. There was somehting I forgot to mention you when it happened. Bob, the moderator from Lady Atia's site, hinted rumours a few days ago about an Age of Sigmar RPG coming alongside a WHRP new edition. While the first part is still an unknown, we've gotten confirmation that a new edition for WHRP is in the making.
Bob:i think Fp are going to stay and prosper in one form or another. especially with the dev of pen & paper rpg in aos setting ^^
Tomas Höll: Along with the new Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay edition? Bob: yes. Another comment.
Bob: will see what they announce at Warhammer fest
Minor updates. I think it is kind of interesting how much rumors have slowed down now that we have a solid news site in Warhammer Community and an accelerated timeline in releases.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A few more updates. Went through and false'd out a bunch of reaaaallly old rumors (brets anyone?)
Hmm. Looks like Haechi may be hitting the end of his rope on correct rumors as I thought I saw DE, Tau then Necrons and that isn't what he's listing. Guess we will see!
Ugh. After this latest mess, I think I'm taking a break for a while. If anyone wants in, let me know. Posting this bit so I can look at it if/when I come back:
Everyone crapping on Natfka in this thread and he was right from the get go lol.
People have called out a Tau and Necron codex since long before that rumor.
GW themselves called out Q1 2018 for the Fyreslayers and Skaven warbands for Shadespire.
And guess what? Thousand Sons and the last Custodes stuff goes up for preorder this Saturday, meaning he's wrong on that front.
Literally all Natfka does is take existing rumors/speculation and repost it as "ANONYMOUS SOURCES!".
As much as I agree about Natfka, he didn't actually start those rumors and I believe he actually attributed this time.
Haechi was pretty accurate for that distance though. I haven't updated the stuff for Feb yet since Feb isn't over, but it is nice to see it all in one spot:
Haechi - Total rumors: (2 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - updated 1/25/2018
[spoiler]
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jan 2018
So, new rumors (apparently the 4chan schedule was some compiled leaks and some bullgak - as usual) :
- February : End of Custodes, Thousand Sons - for AOS : 4 Harbingers, Legions Of Nagash battletome.
- March : Codex T'au and Necron (maybe Necromunda, Bloodbowl) - Malign Portents campaign book, reboxed sceneries (maybe in Feb).
- April-may : Codex Harlequin and Drukari, AOS Aleves.
Since June, no data but :
- AOS summer global campaign like Seeds of Hope, Fate of Konor (Maybe a 40k campaign book / big boxset).
- End of August : Codex Space Wolves.
- December : Codex Orks / Speed kult (with new moldels).
- Maybe : end 2018 / start 2019 : Slaanesh 40k and AOS (probably around new Keeper of Secret and daemon Fulgrim).
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Nov 2017
Early and throughout January - Double daemons TRUE End of January is Custodes TRUE February is unknown but some is custodes
Early mid march is Tau
End of Month is necrons
April and may are Harlequins, Drukharii and the two new aelves for AOS
[/spoiler]
@pretre
Just to clarify, the post you quoted in "pending" was mine, I did back then a little "rumors compilation" found around the net :
- From Haechi / Temouloun (same person on ATT / WoS) rumors,
- From the Malign Portents "painting contest" flyer (for the AOS/ Malign portents new) - as Kanluwen said.
- From the GW-confirmed new Shadespire release (it was out last month IIRC)
- Form the 4chan release schedule (page 1 of this thread), which is apparently itself a compilation.
- Form the Dakka poster "Thebiggesthat" who said here after the Maggotkin release that the Keeper of Secret (so probably full Slaanesh release) was coming "end 2018". I think he teased the GUO before it was sighted at the Open day.
- About Slaanesh again, Bob said something about Slaanesh and Khorne (40k World eaters) being this year too.
Right I've been chatting with several GW staff and I have bad news at launch the grandmaster boxset is limited to 20000 copies world wide with no more available until Xmas with a sale price of £180 and will NOT be available in-store
This is due to low production prority as it's only a specialist game
Right I've been chatting with several GW staff and I have bad news at launch the grandmaster boxset is limited to 20000 copies world wide with no more available until Xmas with a sale price of £180 and will NOT be available in-store
This is due to low production prority as it's only a specialist game
Hey, Warhams. I've been out of updating this for 6 months or so. I have a new business venture and the whole tracker is really a thankless and endless job. I'm happy to pass it to someone else if they would like it.
Hey, Warhams. I've been out of updating this for 6 months or so. I have a new business venture and the whole tracker is really a thankless and endless job. I'm happy to pass it to someone else if they would like it.
Hi Pretre Sorry for my late response. Same here, very busy atm and not much time to visit forums. Thanks a lot for your hard work on the tracker, it has been very helpful!
I think we could still use this thread for the occassional discussion about a source - without the tracker getting updated. This keeps the amount of work low for everybody
(regarding the recent news of the General's Handbook for 
(and pretre for updating!)
