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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:32:13


Post by: pretre


FORMAT:
Linked Source - Date Posted
Rumor STATUS

Example:
WOC - May 2012
New Sorceror in Plastic
October WOC Release

Definitions:
TRUE - This happened as they said.
FALSE - This did not happen as they said. This will include rumors that are solely date based (i.e. Tau will be out next month) but not rumors that include a date (Tau has X, Y and Z being released. Pretty sure that'll be out next month.)
WRONG DATE - This has not happened when they said but includes rumors beyond date of release
PARTIALLY TRUE/ TOO VAGUE - Either close but not really true or cannot assess whether this happened or not.
- Has not come to pass yet.
DUPLICATE - Either that rumor monger already said it or it is clearly a duplication of another rumor monger with no new information.
SPECULATION - No Rumor, just speculation.
ALREADY TRUE - No rumor, just restating already existing items. (i.e. Lothern Sea Guard will be Core)

UPDATE:
We have now standardized the titles for each rumor set to make it easier to search things out. Current used tags are spoilered here:
Spoiler:

40k Rule Rumors
40k Supplement Rumors
6th Edition Rumors
7th Edition Rumors
9th Edition Fantasy Rumors
Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors
Apocalypse Rumors
Black Templar Rumors
Blood Angel Rumors
Blood Bowl Rumors
Bret Rumors
Chaos Space Marine Rumors
Daemons Rumors
Dark Angel Rumors
Digital Release Rumors
Dwarf Rumors
Eldar Rumors
End Times Rumors
Epic Rumors
Expansion Rumors
Fantasy Rule Rumors
Fantasy Starter Rumors
Fantasy Supplement Rumors
FAQ Rumors
Finecast Rumors
Flyer Rumors
Forgeworld rumors
Fortification Rumors
Grey Knight Rumors
GW Army Builder Rumors
GW General Rumors
GW Site Rumors
High Elf Rumors
Hobbit Rumors
Horus Heresy Rumors
IG Rumors
Inquisition Rumors
Knight Rumors
Lizardman Rumors
Necron Rumors
Ork Rumors
Paint Rumors
Release Schedule Rumors
Sister of Battle Rumors
Space Marines Rumors
Space Wolf Rumors
Specialist Rumors
Starter Set Rumors
GW Store Rumors
Tau Rumors
Thunderhawk Rumors
Tyranid Rumors
Web Page Rumors
White Dwarf Rumors
WOC Rumors
Wood Elf Rumors



From a 'confirmation' standpoint, the only confirmation that we will use for the veracity of rumors is an official GW release. So even if we see the WD or a price list or leak or whatever, the rumor monger doesn't get a TRUE/FALSE until GW says something.

I also stop counting new rumors once the first WD scans pop out. So no credit for just reading the WD once everyone has it.

Also, if I mess up categorizing, coding or listing something, please post in the thread or PM me.

-=THE LISTS=-
4chan - Total rumors: (5 TRUE) / (102 FALSE) / (4 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 8/31/2017
Spoiler:

Release Schedule Rumors - August 2017
SM - July 29th ALREADY TRUE
CSM + GK - August 19th FALSE
DG - September 23rd
Tau and AM - October 7th FALSE
Tyranid and BA - November 11th FALSE
Necrons and TS - December 9th FALSE


Release Schedule Rumors - June 2017
40K Release Schedule

July

Primaris PARTIALLY TRUE

Death Guard PARTIALLY TRUE

August

Aeldari FALSE

Astra Militarum FALSE

September

Sisters of Battle FALSE

Chaos Marines FALSE

October

Daemons FALSE

Thousand Sons FALSE

Eldar Rumors - Jan 2017
From 4chan, so pretty much totally unreliable, but it is a rumour of sorts...

I have see eldar boxes today, although I have not been able to make any photos, I have not been alone while leaving the boxes from the truck, but while working on the truck, they opened some

Asdrubael Vect it's on a grav plataform and the platform looks like the image of rumour engine, the same box also brings 2 incubi but are very different from the current ones as with thicker armor, but none of the 3 miniatures look like the image of the red eldar of fall of cadia. FALSE

There were other boxes containing larger boxes inside, but I've only seen a little piece of the side, in which an female eldar in a yellow and blue gown with the name ...of Iyanden (I could not see it all) under the portrait, the box was large so i guess that will contain more miniatures since it is bigger than the box of vect FALSE

Specialist Game Rumors - Jan 2017
Per /tg/ so may not be reliable:

"Gang of Commorragh only includes a gang of reavers of commorragh (3) & gang of feral hellions (5), 2 ruler, pack of dice, 3 spike of commorragh (little 3d carton scenery like towers), pack of cards and 48 page rulebook. TRUE

The box size is small like lost patrol."


Sisters Rumors - Dec 2016
Sisters of Battle

Ministorum Delegation: Lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. Must be from Adepta Sororitas faction. Grants both Shield of Faith. TRUE

Army of Faith: Improved prayer (Shield of Faith?) TRUE

Fury of Angels

Celestians + Seraphim FALSE[/b]
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them

Angelic Host FALSE[/b]
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12" reroll SOF

Forward Crusade FALSE[/b]
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads

Wrath Squadron FALSE[/b]
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent

The Penitent Host FALSE[/b]
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere

Hammer of Wrath FALSE[/b]
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both

Purge Squadron FALSE[/b]
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter

Emperors Hate - Core FALSE[/b]
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF

Crusade of Daughters - Core FALSE[/b]
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF - pick Doms or Rets AoF

Hymns of War - Decurion FALSE[/b]
Reroll WL
No AoF test
Stubborn


Chaos Rumors - Nov 2016
via 4chan (sent in by a reader)
Confirmed source at the usual places has their hands on the book and is posting new info, translated from German

new Lore of Change, all powers force successful dtw rolls be rerolled

Primaris: +2 to invulns, passed saves reflect s3 ap3 blind hits backFALSE
1: reroll all to hit rolls for one unit for one turn FALSE
2: pick the result of one dice in your turn FALSE
3: a unit's weapons gain Force FALSE
4: 3d6" S: d6 AP: d6 Assault d6 Witchfire FALSE
5: you an opponent roll off and add the number of WC you want to spend, loser takes the difference in totals in Perils rolls FALSE
6 - 12" S: D AP- line, starts at -2 on the D table but you can spend extra warp charges to offset this FALSE

Magnus gets the Rubric too, 12" Nova that works like Mind War and transforms things it kills into new 1kSons/Spawn FALSE


40k Rumors - Oct 2016
According to a mate, these are the profiles for custodes and sisters:

Custodes:
ws6, bs4, s5, t5, w2, i5, a3, ld10, 2+/4++.
hatred, furious charge, rampage.FALSE

Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit FALSE

Space Marine Rumors - May 2015
via 4chan via B&C
>New assault marines can take 2 special weapons (even melta) or two melee weapons for unit. The veteran sergent can take an eviscerator for 10 points. PARTIALLY TRUE


>Assault marines have a rule that allow them to contest even against units with objective secured. FALSE


>Tactical marines have objective secured as a base rule. FALSE


>Devastators can take free heavy bolters and every other weapons is 5 points less. FALSE
They can take Grav cannons for 10 points each. FALSE
>Signum now gives split fire and night vision. FALSE


>Anti-air missiles are now free with each missile launcher, even those on land speeder or terminators FALSE


>Missile launchers on Land speeder storms and drop pod now have pinning.


>All sergeants can take auspex now FALSE


>Centurions don't have twin-linked weapons anymore. They instead have two heavy bolters or two lascannons each. Grav is the same. They can shoot with all weapons. FALSE


>A lot of generic formations are for "Dark Angels, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angels and Space Wolves faction".FALSE

Yes, I know how stupid it is to list 4chan as a monger... But it should be funny.

Genestealer Rumors - Feb 2014
via 4chan: *
I gave you Chaos Marines, Dark Angels and SM. Now I give you this. You've been wishing for it for a long time, but hope everyone's ready to be disappointed.

>Dataslate: Shadow Within FALSE
>24.99$
>September
>Contains two seperate sections: Formations & missions for Codex: Astra Militarum, and similar for Codex: Tyranids. Plus the usual fluff garbage.
>Cannot be used to make a stand-alone army like Inquisition, you need either of the two codices.
>No new models released alongside this, everything uses pre-existing kits.
>If you take a formation then you cannot bring in any kind of ally.

>AM-side formations: Special HQ Broodlord with "Patriarch's Will" rule; Genestealer Brood with mandatory Broodlord & additional deployment options, Troop Hormagaunts with "Dormant Eggs" rule. FALSE

>T-side formations: Elite Psyker Battle Squad with "Hive Conduit", Elite Stormtroopers, Troop Penal Legion. No transport options, every formation has to footslog. FALSE

>More missions than in any other dataslate. some seem very similar to Planet Strike (one in particular: "defender" starts with only troops on the board, everything else must roll on reserves to enter (5+, only three units can arrive per turn), attacker must capture objectives held by defender.) FALSE

Tyranid Rumors - Jan 2014
Battle for Iyanden Warzone FALSE
Poster says that it will be accompanied by three releases:
Hierophant / Viciator Kit (WOW!) FALSE
Zoanthrope / Venomthrope Kit FALSE
Pyrovore / Biovore Kit FALSE

Viciator?s are bio-titans similar in stature to Hierophants. Their carapace is covered in grizzly barbs and hooks and their long legs help them stride across the battlefield. Hanging under their thorax is a large devourer weapon-symbiote, as the Viciator lurches forward thousands upon thousands of worms are coaxed out of the weapon by powerful bio-electric jolts. Viciator?s have a terrifiying fanged maw, with-in resides a symbiote that could be more dangerous than the brainleech worms it harbours. A strange creature is bound inside its mouth, and when opened, the beast will shoot concentrated blasts of acid that can chew through armour with ease. Vehicles that the worms are unable to penetrate are often given an entrance after this weapon symbiote melts a hole through its hull. FALSE

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Nov 2013
I have new information and clarification from my Source

Khorne supplement DIGITAL in JANUARY FALSE
Can Ally with Demons or CSM FALSE

4 Pages of new Rules (codex CSM is needed) FALSE

New Warlordtraits FALSE
New Wargear FALSE
New Missions (also for Apoc) FALSE

-Champions of Khorne (Berzerkers with +1 on A and Ld ) FALSE
-They have ?ButcherŽs Nails? rule which gives 6++ & FNP BUT ONLY after ?spilling Blood? (killing enemy Model in CC) and only in CC. FALSE
-22 Points each, can take Melee and Ranged Weapons FALSE
-Can take Juggernaut of Khorne for extra 30 Points each FALSE
-Or Terminator Armor for 25 Points each FALSE
-One Model can be upgraded to a Khorne Lord of Skulls with +1 to WS and Ld FALSE
-Champion Squads are an Elite choice FALSE

-Berzerkers are Troops FALSE
-Can take CSM-pods for 45 points. Other CSM units donŽt get this option. (like SM pods, except that they do damage instead of scattering when landing on top of enemy units) Str. 4 AP- Blast 5? move remaining models out of the way FALSE

-Lord of Skulls is in (Apoc only) FALSE

Digital Nurgle Supplement is scheduled for March
- Warlordtraits, Wargear, Missions FALSE
-3 new units FALSE

Models will be released in April along with the Printed Version of the Supplements. FALSE
Tzeentch and Slaanesh are supposed to follow with their own wave later in the year. FALSE

-Chaos Terminator Lord (clam pack) has a big 2 handed Mace like Weapon and Options for Khorne to make Lord of Skulls FALSE
-CSM Pod (repacked Pod with Spikes) FALSE
-Berzekers/Champions of Khorne (dual Kit) old models repacked, 5 per box FALSE
-Deathshroud/Plague Terminators (dual Kit) different looking to the FW deathshrouds but same scythes. Plague Terminators have some kind of liquid or acid spewing weapon FALSE
-Plague Marines/The Infected (dual Kit) Infected have fly like wings and dual sickle FALSE

Tyranid Rumors - Aug 2013
Army-wide notes
- No FOC and ally table changes TRUE
- Devastation and Adaptation are new power tables with 3 powers each + primaris. FALSE
- Primaris for Devastation = Warp Blast, Adaptation = Onslaught (similar to battle-focus) FALSE
- All Tyranid powers can be used with either one or two charges to increase the effect. FALSE
- Ravenous Advance: Units with this rule can run & assault in the same turn. FALSE
- The Ground Trembles: All MC cause d3 Hammer of Wrath hits. FALSE
- Red Terror, Deathleaper and Old One Eye are unique upgrades to their respective broods. FALSE

- Harpy/Erinye, plastic dual kit. FALSE
- Harpy is designed to kill infantry hordes/provide support via its special vector strike. PARTIALLY TRUE
- Vector striking it can either use Spore Mine Cyst to create blasts along the path or Sonic Screech to halve initiative and cause a pinning test. FALSE

- Erinye is an AA variant in Elite, very different front torso/head piece with gribbly tentacles. FALSE
- Increased Swoop speed and its gimmick is grappling other flyers. FALSE
- Vector strike -> dice roll 4+ -> the enemy flyer is dragged directly behind where the Erinye ended its move, including a new facing. FALSE
- Both can buy broods of Gargoyles that can drop off in the movement phase when not vector striking. FALSE

- Zoanthrope (Doom)/Genethrope, plastic dual kit. FALSE
- Zoanthropes are ML1 psykers, have access to the Devastation, Telepathy, Telekinesis tables. FALSE
- Genethropes are similar, but have access to the Adaptation and Biomancy tables. FALSE
- New unique biomorphs. Increased Shadow in the Warp range, Deny the Witch boost aura, two others. FALSE

- Both types can upgrade up to ML2 but only ever get 1 power, each Elite choice is a unit of 1-3 that can contain mixded Zoan and Gene. FALSE

- Doom has access to all the above tables and comes with Essence Leech and 3 powers. FALSE
- Consumes a wound every time it uses a power (except for Leech), but can keep casting until a Perils roll or its down to 1 wound. FALSE

- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit TRUE
- Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE

- Hive Nodes are bought by HQ models (1-3 choice for Tyrants, 1 for every other HQ), no transport capacity. FALSE
- Nodes provide Synapse and can be configured in one of many ways. Grants poison or shrouding to nearby units or terraforms (Dangerous Terrain) the surroundings. FALSE

- Carnifex
- Old unused bimorphs in the box are options again. TRUE
- Base cost the same but upgrades are much, much cheaper overall but lots of "only buy 1 out of this list" kind of choices which greatly limits what a fex can have. FALSE
- Tusked gives HoW an AP value, Thornback increases the number of HoW hits. FALSE
- Enhanced Senses gives Night Fighting. FALSE
- Tail Scythe & Tail Mace each deliver a single hit to all models in BtB at Ini 1, with different stats. FALSE
- Living Battering Ram rule: Changed to allow the Carnifex to assault the contents of a building/transport on a 4+ if it was destroyed by its charge, rolled once for the brood. FALSE



40kradio - Total rumors: (61 TRUE) / (5 FALSE) / (3 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS OUTSTANDING
Spoiler:

Dark Eldar Rumors - Sept 2014
via a reader on Faeit 212
Just listened to this weeks 40K Radio podcast - and they mention briefly that Dark Eldar are confirmed for pre-release next weekend (20th) and release in two weekends (27th). TRUE

They follow it up with their usual caveat of "this is not a fact", but also joke that "everything that is not designated a fact is, ultimately, a fact".


Ok, it seems a nasty rumor is making its way around the interwebs. Many forums are saying 40k 7th is switching over to % based lists. We are here to 100% confirm that is not happening. TRUE

We have always told you guys the truth about everything in the past 12 months. Our source has been spot on with everything from release schedules to what each army will have.

So please rest easy knowing that force org will still be in the game.

These are facts, not rumors from your trusted source for insider 40k news, not 40krumors.

IG Rumors - Jan 2014
Ok some more news. There was a slight misunderstanding of the new IG name....Astra Militarum. No extra "I" in there. And from our source there will be a mix of Cadian and Catachan releases for Astra Militarum. So tHigh Elf Rumors of Catachans going away would appear to be incorrect. TRUE

IG Rumors / Knight Rumors / Wood Elf Rumors - Jan 2014
via Lion 275 on Warseer
IG will be in April. March will focus soley on the Imperial Knights. Followed by Wood Elves in May... TRUE

It sounds like Imperial Knights will be a Dataslate or a mini codex. I bet you see it in the WD then have it come out in Dataslate/mini dex. From what we were told it will not be in the IG codex and will be able to ally with various armies. DUPLICATE

IG is getting a new name with their new codex a la SoB. According to 40K Radio's source, they'll be renamed to the Astra Militarium. TRUE

Yup a brand new name. The book is called Astra Militarium. DUPLICATE

I am just going by what our source has told us. Could be a legal issue, could be they are incorporating more things into the Codex. Time will tell.

And I want to re-iterate Knight ARE NOT part of Astra Militarium (IG). TRUE

IG Rumors / Knight Rumors - Feb 2014
Imperial Knight Titan: 1 kit will make all the versions. TRUE

Imperial Knight Titan Codex: Three armies in this book.
1st Army: Imperial Knights Army TRUE
2nd Army: Mechanicum Army FALSE
3rd Army: Freeblades Army (Mercs that can ally) PARTIALLY TRUE

Warhammer 40k 7th Edition (Yes it is called 7th ed) in May.

Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic) TRUE
Bullgryns (old Ogryns) DUPLICATE
Commissar Squads FALSE
New Larger Transport TRUE

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies. FALSE

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only. TRUE

Orks are in June. DUPLICATE

IG Rumors
via Rik on 40k Radio
So some exciting news. A listener of ours was at a GW store today that mistakenly received a shipment of some unreleased items. It was the plastic Ogryn kit. The rename is confirmed as they were called Militarum Auxillia. Boom! Nailed it. PARTIALLY TRUE

Space Marines Rumors - Feb 2014
I prefer GW's made up Latin to what they have now. I can't wait until they re-brand Space Marines as Adeptus Astartes... From what our source told us Space Marines will get a name change in the future. FALSE

Ork Rumors - Jan 2014
Orks are due in June and not September. TRUE

7th edition Rumors - Jan 2014
Some updates on 7th edition: 1) It will napurely be a book release. TRUE
2) It could be released as early as May. TRUE

On the Chaos Space Marine Releases. 1) Look for the stuff to be released beginning of summer. TRUE
2) Crimson Slaughter(CSM in the DV starter) might receive a Supplement as well. TRUE

Knight Rumors - Jan 2014
As you may have seen on other sites Febraury is all about the Dwarfs. So for you fans of the short and bearded get pumped. March will see the release of Imperial Knights. This year is shaping up to be a good one. DUPLICATE
We believe it will be release through the new WD format. The week of the Release, you will get the rules in the WD. TRUE
they said it was for ALL imperial armies. TRUE

7th Edition Rumors - Dec 2013
The big 40k rumor is: This summer GW will release 7th edition 40k , TRUE
and 9th edition Fantasy has been shelved, for now. TRUE
They way it was explained to us is that 7th Edition will be made to include the new Escalation and Stronghold rules. I would also not be surprised to see the Dataslates added to the main rule book. TRUE

Release Schedule Rumors - Oct 2013
First 5 months of releases for 2014
Jan ? ?Nids DUPLICATE
Feb ? can?t recall at the moment (Might be Hobbit related)
Mar ? Dwarfs FALSE
Apr ? Imperial Guard TRUE
May ? Wood Elves TRUE

Release Schedule Rumors - Sep 2013
People, Tyranids are not pushed back, they have always been slated for January.

Oct: Dark Elves TRUE
Nov: Holiday Releases(boxed army type stuff) PARTIALLY TRUE
Dec: Hobbit TRUE
Jan: Tyranids TRUE
Feb: Dwarfs TRUE
March: IG TRUE

Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
- Warlocks appear to have one hand weapon TRUE
- The new chariot crew is armed with spears and what looks to be a large crossbow or bolt thrower on the chariot. TRUE
- The new Warriors look quite different to me. But then again I am a big geek that notices stuff like that. They have cloaks that come down their back and all the helmets don't cover the eyes any more. TRUE
- The warlocks are bare chested, and the weapons look mundane...aka not glowing. They look like large jagged daggers. They are held in reverse grips which looks pretty slick. The warlock champions eyes are glowing which IMO hints at some magical abilities. md as far as the warriors go I think a big difference will be the size of them. Look at the size difference between Isle of Blood Lothern Sea Guard and the normal High Elves spearman. TRUE
- (Hydra) It looks bigger and beefier. Like we said Dark Elves are setting the bar for the best range of models in WHFB. TRUE
- The cloaks hang down from underneath the shoulder armor and cover the back of the chain mail. It definitely is new for them but it looks really cool. The Druchii warriors also have shoulder armor. It makes them look simply awesome. The skull embossed on their shields looks great too. Yes the Hydra does have 2 handlers. TRUE
- The Warriors, Black Guard, and Dark Riders all have cloaks. None of them appear to have face coverings. The Executioners appear to have skull faced helms. The theme to me appears to be a more sinister version of their High Elf bretheren. The plate armor has very spiked and jagged edges. The style will still fit well with the Shades and Reaper but next to these new models they will look very dated. TRUE
-The Kraken has 5 heads/fanged maws. The have spines and scales with smooth neck and belly flesh. Scales are painted a Dark Grey with the softer flesh painted blue. Looks awesome. TRUE
-The pictures we have of the Witch Elves has them with two hand weapons. TRUE
-Black Guard look very stalwart with large halberds and high helms with 3 spikes on each side with a flowing plume on top. Their armor is black trimmed in gold and they have dark purple cloaks. The unit champion is holding a sword by the hilt with the blade planted in the ground. Musician is a drummer. TRUE
-The executioners have what look like skull helms, and their armor is a brighter silver than the Black Guard. Their tunics are red in color and the Draiches are all held on the left hand side of their bodies (their left our right). They look very cool ranked up. TRUE
- The Dark Riders are very cool looking. Sleek looking horses with only a bit of armor. All of the Riders are hunched over in the saddle to give the illusion of speeding fast cav. The helmets appear to be open faced and they are armed with spears in the picture I have, once again that doesn't mean they wont get crossbows (in the pictures we have they are in the back ground behind the Warlocks). TRUE
- The Kraken doesn't have tentacles, it has four legs with webbed appendages ending in claws and it also has a tail. TRUE
- The Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne look very cool. If you are a fan of the newer larger models GW has been putting out for WHFB you will really dig it. It is a bit toned down compared to the Empire Celestial Hurricanum/Luminark of Hysh and has blades and hooks on it to make it very sinister and Dark Elf. TRUE
- Execs use swords (phew!). TRUE
- Black Guards look "amazing", with bulkier shoulders and tall helmets with plumes, so I guess pretty much like they look now (in that respect at least). TRUE
- The Cauldron has six wheels and two staircases leading up to the platform with the big statue of Khaine. It is not pulled by anything, so maybe (my assumption it will be used like the Screaming Bell? Three Witch Elves on it, lots of spikes and blades. TRUE
- The Witch Elves have loincloths and bras (obviously) and look "vicious". TRUE
- On the Throne, there is something that looks like half-Witch Elf, half Medusa, with snakes as hair. TRUE
- The new Hydra is beefier than the current one. DUPLICATE
- And the WEs on the Throne use spears. TRUE
- Warlocks are bare-chested, with long flowing hair, painted white. They seem to have black eyes (or no eyes), except for the champion, whose eyes are glowing. Dark Riders are cloaked (of course), and hunched over in the saddle, in order to present a low profile. TRUE


Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
NEW RUMORS for Warhammer Fantasy! My "source" has sent me pictures of the new Dark Elf release. The Dark Elves will be out in October with a slew of new models:

1) NEW Plastic Dark Elf Warrior Box(Makes Spearmen, swordsmen, & crossbowmen) TRUE
2) NEW PLastic Dark Riders/Warlocks TRUE
3) NEW Plastic Blackguard/Executioners TRUE
4) NEW Plastic Coldone Chariot/Scroungerunner(Pulled by horses) TRUE
5) NEW Plastic Cauldron of Blood/Blood Throne(This model is AMAZING) TRUE
6) NEW Plastic Hydra/Kraken TRUE
7) NEW Plastic Witch Elf box TRUE

Space Marines Rumors - August 2013
"Centurions: The guys are a heavy support choice. They're a marine cased in heavy armor with powerfist with lascannons under slung on one pic and heavy bolters on the other. Think of a heavier terminator armor that a marine straps into. I think this is where Chaos Oblits came from. They look to be on 40mm and I'm really starting to dig these models. TRUE

Plastic Chaplain: Like other plastic HQ's that have come out. He is armed with a Crozius and bolt pistol. He has ornate armor and he is in a dynamic pose. TRUE

Plastic Librarian: Same as above regarding previous HQ releases. He is helmetless and he's armed with a staff. He also has a wicked cherub flying off his pack pack. I really like this model. TRUE

The Hunter: I believe this will be anti-air rhino. Its a cross between Vindicator Heavy Armor and a whirlwind style weapon mounted on the back. It comes with two cannons that have three barrels. TRUE

Vanguard Plastic: I saw two separate pics one armed with TH/SS and one with a pair of Lighting claws, finally. Same Marine bodies just with some new iconography to freshen up the models. TRUE

From what I have seen so far the Marine release is going to be huge for GW. Sorry about no pics but I promised."


75hastings69 - Total rumors: (128 TRUE) / (29 FALSE) / (3 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 5/23/2017
Spoiler:


Space Marine Rumors - June 2017
via 75hastings69

AFAIK “Initially” there are 4 boxes of “troops/infantry/marines” (including the flying ones), ALREADY PARTIALLY TRUE

2 vehicles,ALREADY PARTIALLY TRUE
the Dread, ALREADY TRUE
and 2 “character” sets, which I assume will be captains and Lieutenants. ALREADY TRUE

As for when I rarely dare to dabble in such things (especially after the timing of the plastic thunderhawk release…. which might still actually not be wrong, just my guess at the timing thanks to the “we’ve sold our last resin thunderhawk” making me jump to conclusions!). I will say I am “expecting” Death Guard to release after the boxed set and for new marines to be closely behind them….. however I could be wrong of course


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:35:13


Post by: RandyMcStab


Didn't ghost21 admit to just making it all up..


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:36:30


Post by: Samus_aran115


Sorry, but I think this is silly. All this is going to do is persuade future leakers to not post at the risk of being flamed or openly criticized (or put on this thread, right?).

Plus, most posters have a general idea who's reliable and who isn't. Quantifying their reliability is just going to cause endless quote pyramids.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:37:21


Post by: pretre


If they are providing reliable rumors and not just making them up, then they would have no problem being here.

This is just to quantify the people that are full of S.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:37:22


Post by: SoulGazer


RandyMcStab wrote:Didn't ghost21 admit to just making it all up..


We still might want to see if he got anything right. Why not? Worse case scenario is nothing changes.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:38:02


Post by: Kanluwen


Samus_aran115 wrote:Sorry, but I think this is silly. All this is going to do is persuade future leakers to not post at the risk of being flamed or openly criticized (or put on this thread, right?).

Not really. "Future leakers" aren't the ones who post these rumors. They are the ones who "leak" their information to the rumormongers.


Plus, most posters have a general idea who's reliable and who isn't. Quantifying their reliability is just going to cause endless quote pyramids.

Considering how many people are taking Blood of Kittens seriously, I'd think no.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:38:17


Post by: pretre


Yeah, anyone have a link to the ghost21 rumors?

Also, I plan on using links and spoilers to keep the quote strings down.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:41:56


Post by: Samus_aran115


Kanluwen wrote:
Samus_aran115 wrote:Sorry, but I think this is silly. All this is going to do is persuade future leakers to not post at the risk of being flamed or openly criticized (or put on this thread, right?).

Not really. "Future leakers" aren't the ones who post these rumors. They are the ones who "leak" their information to the rumormongers.


Plus, most posters have a general idea who's reliable and who isn't. Quantifying their reliability is just going to cause endless quote pyramids.

Considering how many people are taking Blood of Kittens seriously, I'd think no.


Hmm, I wasn't aware there was a hierarchy to this. I was under the impression that the posters themselves had an inside look at what was coming, based on the way they talk about things. That makes more sense though.

Never mind then.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:43:46


Post by: SickSix


Just my interpretation, but I believe ghost21 'made up' being in Horus Heresy meetings, not his rumors.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:49:51


Post by: Dracos


I like this idea.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:52:09


Post by: Kanluwen


SickSix wrote:Just my interpretation, but I believe ghost21 'made up' being in Horus Heresy meetings, not his rumors.


Nay, he actually came out and said he made up quite a few of his rumors.

I think he was kinda/sorta right early on but then seems to have just gotten enamored of the attention he was receiving.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:56:44


Post by: htj


Hey, I had this idea almost exactly a year ago!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378247.page

Didn't get a lot of buzz... Still, kudos for actually doing something about it, rather than just talking about it like me.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:58:03


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I keep bringing it up and finally got off my arse to do it.

Anyone have some links to older rumors that we know are confirmed/false?

Also, need a link to the recent BoK rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 14:58:10


Post by: Pilau Rice


Just a heads up, you have Captain Ventris in the 75hastings69 spoiler tags.

Edit: Much better



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:01:28


Post by: pretre


Thanks, Pilau!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:02:36


Post by: Bolognesus


hmmm. it's a bit weird to see hastings of all people listed low on accuracy - he's been one of the more respected rumourmongers for a long time, AFAIK.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:03:47


Post by: pretre


@ThomasPolder: Right now I have very few data points. Link me to his predictions from the past and we can update his percentage. Most of the data we have is recent and hence, unproven.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:07:50


Post by: Gorechild


I believe Harry and Hastings are both pretty solid sources. At least, they're the only posters I personally really trust. Sure people might get dates wrong every so often, but considering a lot of GW's release schedule is never set in stone, and some things get sat on for long periods of time, that's completely understandable.

I think giving a 25% reliability rating to one of the more long standing rumour-mongers is rather harsh.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:11:02


Post by: pretre


Gorechild wrote:I think giving a 25% reliability rating to one of the more long standing rumour-mongers is rather harsh.

I agree. Hook me up with a link to something he posted before and I'll add it. Right now, I found one post he was said to have made at it said there were 9 releases (including 4 vehicles and 2 flyers) in Necron Second Wave. That was waaaay off.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:11:45


Post by: Charax


It's ridiculous to use a percentage system when you're not breaking down the rumours into their components (for example, the Beasts of War fliers rumour is actually a whole bunch of rumours that need to be judged individually to assess their accuracy as a source - that fliers are coming out, that each individual flyer mentioned is coming out and that each individual flyer will resemble the image they provided)

Just make a list of the rumours people have made divided into True, Untrue and Can't be judged, don't bring statistics into it unless you're willing to put in the legwork to do statistical analysis (which you obviously aren't if you're giving Yakface 90% because "There was a huge dump of info and I think it was all correct")


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:12:55


Post by: Kroothawk


Any rating that has Hastings at 33% is silly (esp when he said 4 vehicles, two of which fliers, the others the tomb blade and the stalker) .
Also stickmonkey usually posts early rumours subject to change over time, Darnok usually posts rumours by different anonymous sources which are usually wrong


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:14:34


Post by: htj


Would this just address their postings on Dakka, or would, say, Harry's Warseer posts count?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:16:14


Post by: pretre


Charax wrote:Just make a list of the rumours people have made divided into True, Untrue and Can't be judged, don't bring statistics into it unless you're willing to put in the legwork to do statistical analysis (which you obviously aren't if you're giving Yakface 90% because "There was a huge dump of info and I think it was all correct")


I just started a little under an hour ago. We can work out the bugs.

What do you think a better descriptor for each person would be? Or are you saying, no descriptor, just list their name and the spoiler, let people judge themselves? I kind of like that one.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:18:01


Post by: Charax


Absolutely, just compile their rumours, give a rough approximation of what panned out and let people judge for themselves


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:18:13


Post by: pretre


Kroothawk wrote:Any rating that has Hastings at 33% is silly (esp when he said 4 vehicles, two of which fliers, the others the tomb blade and the stalker) .
Also stickmonkey usually posts early rumours subject to change over time, Darnok usually posts rumours by different anonymous sources which are usually wrong

I have removed percentages from the post and will just leave their rumors to speak for themselves until someone comes up with a better idea.

htj wrote:Would this just address their postings on Dakka, or would, say, Harry's Warseer posts count?

Any rumors that we know about.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:21:41


Post by: Gorechild


pretre wrote:
Gorechild wrote:I think giving a 25% reliability rating to one of the more long standing rumour-mongers is rather harsh.

I agree. Hook me up with a link to something he posted before and I'll add it. Right now, I found one post he was said to have made at it said there were 9 releases (including 4 vehicles and 2 flyers) in Necron Second Wave. That was waaaay off.


Thats the thing though, just because the Necron flyers haven't been released yet doesn't automatically mean he's wrong You can only say somebody is wrong until they either admit to making stuff up (a la Ghost) or by saying something that can be proven to be false (If I was to say "Eldar are the next codex and Guardians aren't going to be in anymore" to then have DA drop before them and to still include Guardians).


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:22:12


Post by: htj


I like the system as you've got it now, pretre. The balance of coloured text will tell you what you need to know.

I can't access Warseer at work, but it'd be good for someone to trawl a few of the older rumour threads for extra points of data. As I remember it, Harry has a very good track record on there.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:22:53


Post by: pretre


@Gorechild: I moved the flyers to pending. I am very open to feedback in this process.


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Aww, I got stealth moved without notification. I thought it was in an appropriate forum with N&R. :(


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:35:15


Post by: Gorechild


pretre wrote:@Gorechild: I moved the flyers to pending. I am very open to feedback in this process.

That's fair enough I just had a feeling that it would discourage existing/new rumour guys from posting here if they were slammed too hard for getting dates wrong I think its a pretty good idea though, as long as this is kept up to date I'm sure it will be a really helpful tool


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 15:38:49


Post by: pretre


Yeah, backdating the information for all the previous rumors will be difficult, but going forward it should be pretty easy to keep up on.

Heck, if a rumor monger wants to link me to their predictions, I'm cool with that as well.


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Now alphabetical!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 16:14:22


Post by: Lord Scythican


What about that Decapitator guy on dakka? I thought he had a few very reliable rumours that ended up being true.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 16:32:10


Post by: pretre


Link to Decapitator stuff?

Updated a ton of rumors from the Chaos thread, including the infamous Ghost21 rumor set.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 23:31:57


Post by: coyotius


I like this idea but I don't think a rating is necessary. BTW, Harry says Tau are spring 2013...so there's another one for him. I'm betting he's right.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?328278-Tau-Rumours-3-0-(see-first-post-for-round-up)/page33

post #654


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/08 23:47:55


Post by: Happygrunt


I usually take what Hastings and Harry say as true.

I have noticed though that BoW don't usually POST rumors, they just re-post/ publish them. And leak delicious pictures.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 06:24:46


Post by: Dysartes


I may have been seeing things, but wasn't Stickmonkey right about the Direct Only lashwhip/bonesword blisters? You've got that point listed as "PENDING WRONG DATE".

Also, before you update anything else, I'd recommend going back and checking all your tags - dr bored has a [/spoiler] without the opening tag, and there was a random opening bold tag floating around there as well.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 09:14:40


Post by: Kroothawk


Rating rumour mongers is more complicated than that.
1.) Consider rumour history. Even made up rumours usually contain Hastings' and Harry's rumours because otherwise they would sound less convincing.
2.) Some website admins/owners/mods like Yakface and Darnok get the occasional birdy talking. Other posters have several sources of different credibility. Some like BoLS usually only repost from other sites withpout giving credit.
3.) Some posters just get the WD early and post credible stuff, some like stickmonkey post longtime predictions that change even if true at the time. Does that reduce the worth of stickmonkey's rumours? No.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 09:50:47


Post by: Gorlack


I have to agree with Kroot, I don't think this thread serves the purpose you hope it does Pretre.

I mean, let's say that you follow the rumours and their accuracy for 6 months and find out that Haay and Hastings are mostly right: with Harry having some of his dates wrong. And you find out that a user that only posted a couple of rumours and never posted anything new after that was wrong, then what? Because that's basically where we are now just going on intuition.

People already know who's mostly right and mostly wrong. We also know that it isn't an exact science, so to ding Hastings in his scores because he was a little off oon a date, but posted the rumour 5 months before everyone else seems illogical.

And even if you change your system so it doesn't punish early rumours, then what? Any rumour can be false or true, even by a person with a otherwise great track record. Just look at Ghost, he predicted dreadfleet before anyone else and then just made up stuff. But your counter would have had him at 100% for a long time.

what I'm basically saying is: the rumour scene is one where a lot of new players try and make a name, and a few hardcore people have made a name. Let's just keep it like that instead of turning it into fantasy football

Cheers


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 10:39:53


Post by: -Loki-


Unfortunately hastings dropped out of the rumour game because of all the bs.

Harry is pretty much the most reliable, simply because he doesn't post rumours. He waits until it's about 2-3 months out and knows for sure, and gives out pretty much spot on information after gathering it for so long. At that point it's not a rumour, it's early news.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 12:11:36


Post by: Kroothawk


-Loki- wrote:Unfortunately hastings dropped out of the rumour game because of all the bs.

And then he gave us the contents of the 40k starter box
But rumour posting can be unrewarding, so several other well known rumour posters have indeed stopped.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 13:23:07


Post by: StraightSilver


If it helps I can let you know which rumours I have posted / Contributed to and when I was wrong.

I would say that on my own track record I am about 50% to be honest, but I just post what I hear, and sometimes the timing is way off, or sometimes it's just plain wrong.

I have to say I have been out of the rumours loop for a bit now, but that's mainly because I am just not hearing anything to be honest.

So, back in 2009 I predicted that Tyranids would be getting new models, including the Harpy.

I was sort of right then, as I said they were just getting models but not a Codex, so that was wrong.

I also thought the Harpy was actually going to be a plastic Harridan, as at the time the Harpy didn't exist in the fluff AFAK (not a 'Nid player).

In 2010 I said Tau would be getting lots of new models including a flyer. However my source said they were due to hit in June 2011 so that was wrong, and it remains to be seen if the models and flyer ever hit.

I believe I was one of the first to suggest that the 6th Edition starter would be Dark Angels vs Chaos, but also that the boxed set would be a double release, one with DA, one with Chaos and scenery for each in the box. I now think that's wrong but still believe it's DA vs Chaos.

I predicted blister packs being withdrawn from stores and going direct only, but totally missed Finecast, so was sort of right but not really.

I also heard that Chaos would be June, and that they would be getting a flyer, a single seater fast interceptor. That I guess is still pending, but I am now convinced the single seater fast interceptor could in fact have been the Storm Talon.

I was 100% accurate on the Dark Eldar release, but I guess that was a given as I got that straight from Jes.

I also talked about an Eldar super Heavy and Ad Mech getting the Forge World treatment back in 2010, so I guess that's pending.

I mentioned Dan Abnett's Interceptor City being delayed due to the 40K flyers release, which implied something big was coming.

I believe I was the first to predict IA9 and IA10 as being Badab War books.

The problem with rumours is that by the time they hit the internet they are at best 2nd hand information, but more often than not 3rd or 4th hand, so a lot gets lost in translation.

The other problem is that projects get started way ahead of release, and so it's not always a good idea to assume they are coming out when you think they are. For example, I saw the Harpy being worked on 3 years ago! And Tau, AFAIK have been completed models wise for at least 2 years.

So basically only ever take rumours as just that, they tend to give an inkling of what's coming, but like all future predictions can't be relied upon 100%.

But I would say Harry, Hastings and Stickmonkey are by far the most reliable rumour mongers on the web.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 13:40:41


Post by: pretre


coyotius wrote:I like this idea but I don't think a rating is necessary. BTW, Harry says Tau are spring 2013...so there's another one for him. I'm betting he's right.

Perfect! Thanks.

Dysartes wrote:I may have been seeing things, but wasn't Stickmonkey right about the Direct Only lashwhip/bonesword blisters? You've got that point listed as "PENDING WRONG DATE".

Also, before you update anything else, I'd recommend going back and checking all your tags - dr bored has a [/spoiler] without the opening tag, and there was a random opening bold tag floating around there as well.

Awesome, I will update those two. Thanks!

Kroothawk wrote:Rating rumour mongers is more complicated than that.
1.) Consider rumour history. Even made up rumours usually contain Hastings' and Harry's rumours because otherwise they would sound less convincing.
2.) Some website admins/owners/mods like Yakface and Darnok get the occasional birdy talking. Other posters have several sources of different credibility. Some like BoLS usually only repost from other sites withpout giving credit.
3.) Some posters just get the WD early and post credible stuff, some like stickmonkey post longtime predictions that change even if true at the time. Does that reduce the worth of stickmonkey's rumours? No.

I agree. That's why I backed away from ratings and am just posting the predictions with TRUE, FALSE, PENDING or WRONG DATE.

Gorlack wrote:People already know who's mostly right and mostly wrong. We also know that it isn't an exact science, so to ding Hastings in his scores because he was a little off oon a date, but posted the rumour 5 months before everyone else seems illogical.

Except people still believe some of the outlandish crap from some of the notably unreliable posters.

And even if you change your system so it doesn't punish early rumours, then what? Any rumour can be false or true, even by a person with a otherwise great track record. Just look at Ghost, he predicted dreadfleet before anyone else and then just made up stuff. But your counter would have had him at 100% for a long time.

I don't post percentages.

-Loki- wrote:Harry is pretty much the most reliable, simply because he doesn't post rumours. He waits until it's about 2-3 months out and knows for sure, and gives out pretty much spot on information after gathering it for so long. At that point it's not a rumour, it's early news.

Well, for us, it is rumors.

StraightSilver wrote:If it helps I can let you know which rumours I have posted / Contributed to and when I was wrong.

I would say that on my own track record I am about 50% to be honest, but I just post what I hear, and sometimes the timing is way off, or sometimes it's just plain wrong.

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The problem with rumours is that by the time they hit the internet they are at best 2nd hand information, but more often than not 3rd or 4th hand, so a lot gets lost in translation.

The other problem is that projects get started way ahead of release, and so it's not always a good idea to assume they are coming out when you think they are. For example, I saw the Harpy being worked on 3 years ago! And Tau, AFAIK have been completed models wise for at least 2 years.

So basically only ever take rumours as just that, they tend to give an inkling of what's coming, but like all future predictions can't be relied upon 100%.

But I would say Harry, Hastings and Stickmonkey are by far the most reliable rumour mongers on the web.

Thanks a lot for this StraightSilver! I will update yours. I would agree, but wanted to give an actual way to track it. I'm also trying to stay away from "You said June and it came in July! HA YOU ARE WRONG!" by using the WRONG DATE tag and still giving credit.

For all, the idea is not to punish rumor mongers, simply to give perspective to those of us who aren't entirely sure about who is reliable and who isn't.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 13:48:51


Post by: kronk


I like this idea, pretre.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/09 13:49:26


Post by: pretre


@kronk: Thanks!

I think I fixed most of the broken tags people were talking about. Keep sending me stuff if you see it.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/10 16:57:55


Post by: winterman


How far back you wanna go? I know BoK had a ton to say about GK and Necrons that was accurate and predated yakfaces rumor dump. yakface also reported fairly accurately some DE stuff. I am sure guys like harry and hastings have cred going pretty far back as well.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/10 17:04:20


Post by: pretre


winterman wrote:How far back you wanna go? I know BoK had a ton to say about GK and Necrons that was accurate and predated yakfaces rumor dump. yakface also reported fairly accurately some DE stuff. I am sure guys like harry and hastings have cred going pretty far back as well.

Anything we can link to or confirm.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/11 08:48:11


Post by: azazel the cat


I like this idea, but I think it should be taken very lightheartedly for reasons already mentioned by Kroothawk.

And regarding Yakface's massive Necron codex rumour posts, I think he was something like 95% dead-on. He had Destroyers as being units of up to 3, but a cheaper price, and the Monolith as being 0-1; IIRC, but otherwise I think everything else was correct. (maybe some changes to C'tan powers)


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/11 13:49:00


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I agree. I will update Yak's entry.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/16 18:55:16


Post by: warboss


Cool thread... I'm curious to see the results in a few months.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/16 21:15:46


Post by: pretre


As Kroothawk mentioned in another thread, Flyers will bump a lot of folks into the TRUE category.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 03:43:07


Post by: sennacherib


I think this is a great idea. THanks for all the effort you put into this. are you going to keep the first post updated. IF so you need to include Dark Generals rumors of the chaos codex.
Thanks again and i hope you keep this up.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 04:14:55


Post by: helium42


pretre wrote:As Kroothawk mentioned in another thread, Flyers will bump a lot of folks into the TRUE category.


Flyers would have bumped a lot of rumor-mongers into the true category if they would have come out last summer...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 07:07:17


Post by: Breotan


You need to add the wound allocation rumor to BoW given their new video.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 13:58:08


Post by: Ouze


Kroothawk wrote:
-Loki- wrote:Unfortunately hastings dropped out of the rumour game because of all the bs.

And then he gave us the contents of the 40k starter box
But rumour posting can be unrewarding, so several other well known rumour posters have indeed stopped.


And that's too bad, because TBH the rumors are one of my favorite things about warhams (I also really enjoy the trailers part of going to the movies).


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 14:32:30


Post by: pretre


sennacherib wrote:I think this is a great idea. THanks for all the effort you put into this. are you going to keep the first post updated. IF so you need to include Dark Generals rumors of the chaos codex.
Thanks again and i hope you keep this up.

Link to these rumors of Dark Generals?


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Breotan wrote:You need to add the wound allocation rumor to BoW given their new video.

Looking at it now. I will add.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 17:43:35


Post by: juraigamer


This idea is amazing, Keep at it!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 18:17:30


Post by: InquisitorMack


Great idea, nice to have data to back up intuition concerning quality of rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 18:26:45


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Its a great idea, but I have to note the prediction of '6th edition release date' rumours are pretty pointless as any kind of predicting indicator.

I could have told you 40K 6th was coming out in July 2012, two years ago when Fantasy came out. GW have been following a 2yr release pattern alternating between Fantasy and 40K since fourth edition 40K, 2004.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 19:57:48


Post by: catharsix


I think that this is a great idea, and I also think that this post should be stickied.

That said, it also should be carefully monitored by the Mods, to ensure that it isn't a flame-fest, or just an excuse for finger-pointing and name-calling. Maybe a Mod would be interested in maintaining it, like they maintain the "Reputable Trader List" stickied thread in the Swap Shop Forum...

That's just my humble suggestion, but either way, I think this post is a good idea, and I wanted to register my opinion as a longtime Dakka member.

-C6


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 20:13:39


Post by: pretre


Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Its a great idea, but I have to note the prediction of '6th edition release date' rumours are pretty pointless as any kind of predicting indicator.

I could have told you 40K 6th was coming out in July 2012, two years ago when Fantasy came out. GW have been following a 2yr release pattern alternating between Fantasy and 40K since fourth edition 40K, 2004.

Ahh, but you didn't. You could have an impeccable record.

And if not for the gap between 6th and 4th, the 2 year thing would go back to 1996.

Release of Warhams
1st Ed WH - 1983
2nd Ed Wh - 1984
3rd Ed WH - 1987
Rogue Trader 40k - 1987
4th Ed WH - 1992
2nd Ed 40k - 1993
5th Ed WH - 1996
3rd Ed 40k - 1998
6th Ed WH - 2000
4th Ed 40k - 2004
7th Ed WH - 2006
5th Ed 40k - 2008
8th Ed Wh - 2010

catharsix wrote:I think that this is a great idea, and I also think that this post should be stickied.

That said, it also should be carefully monitored by the Mods, to ensure that it isn't a flame-fest, or just an excuse for finger-pointing and name-calling. Maybe a Mod would be interested in maintaining it, like they maintain the "Reputable Trader List" stickied thread in the Swap Shop Forum...

That's just my humble suggestion, but either way, I think this post is a good idea, and I wanted to register my opinion as a longtime Dakka member.

Am I not trustworthy, C6? Anyways, the mods have better things to do than much around with this, whereas I have nothing better to do. If they wanna sticky it, that'd be great though.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 20:41:07


Post by: ColdSadHungry


@Pretre

Didn't BoK actually do a turn around on the 6th ed leak and then say they believed it to be a fake after saying it was true? I'm pretty sure that they did, anyway.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 20:43:48


Post by: catharsix


pretre wrote:[
catharsix wrote:I think that this is a great idea, and I also think that this post should be stickied.

That said, it also should be carefully monitored by the Mods, to ensure that it isn't a flame-fest, or just an excuse for finger-pointing and name-calling. Maybe a Mod would be interested in maintaining it, like they maintain the "Reputable Trader List" stickied thread in the Swap Shop Forum...

That's just my humble suggestion, but either way, I think this post is a good idea, and I wanted to register my opinion as a longtime Dakka member.

Am I not trustworthy, C6? Anyways, the mods have better things to do than much around with this, whereas I have nothing better to do. If they wanna sticky it, that'd be great though.


Oh no! I totally wasn't trying to imply that you aren't trustworthy. I just thought that sticky threads are usually maintained by a Mod, since it's their job to do various kinds of things like that, not individual users. If the Mods were fine with sticky-ing a post that you maintained rather than them, I think that'd be great! (save them the trouble )

Who knows what the future holds with GW and rumors though - I don't get my hopes up for anything anymore. GW's policies, on top of the avalanche of conflicting rumors for various things from various sources, just makes it all hard to think about. My head hurts...

Anyhow, good work so far, keep it up!

-C6


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 20:46:59


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


@pretre - Hehe, oddly I was saying the same thing to folks who didn't believe 8th Fantasy was due two years ago.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 20:59:26


Post by: The Decapitator


Ok, like Silver I thought I'd give you a hand concerning myself and my news/rumours.

First info about the upcoming release of a new limited edition novella - Catechism of Hate

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/414255.page

First info about the upcoming release of the Chaos Decimator from Forge World

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434075.page

First info about Games Day 2012 and changes from previous years.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/436358.page

First news about GW's new '1 Week Before' new released policy.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369325.page

There have been a couple more occasions where I've posted things I know or indeed thought I knew in other threads, such as Stat Lines and points costs for the Necrons before release (correct) and Summer of Flyers (2011) where alas I was incorrect.

Hope this helps!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/17 21:05:04


Post by: pretre


ColdSadHungry wrote:@Pretre

Didn't BoK actually do a turn around on the 6th ed leak and then say they believed it to be a fake after saying it was true? I'm pretty sure that they did, anyway.


Did they? Do you have a link? I'll update it with that commentary though.


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catharsix wrote:Oh no! I totally wasn't trying to imply that you aren't trustworthy.

I know, I was just fething with you.


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The Decapitator wrote:Ok, like Silver I thought I'd give you a hand concerning myself and my news/rumours.
Hope this helps!

It does indeed! I will add you and put up your record for all to see. I do so appreciate forthcoming rumor mongers.


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The Decapitator is now added! Thanks again.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/18 21:51:06


Post by: insaniak


catharsix wrote:Oh no! I totally wasn't trying to imply that you aren't trustworthy. I just thought that sticky threads are usually maintained by a Mod, since it's their job to do various kinds of things like that, not individual users. If the Mods were fine with sticky-ing a post that you maintained rather than them, I think that'd be great! (save them the trouble )

There is no problem with a user-made sticky, if we're convinced that poster will actually stick around to maintain it.

I think the bigger problem here is convincing the mods that this thread serves a valuable enough purpose to be worth stickying. Rumours are rumours. I'm a little perplexed at the perceived need to 'grade' them on accuracy, since there are just so many variables involved. Rumours can be accurate at the time they are presented, but rendered inaccurate later due to things changing during development. And totally made-up stuff can be judged 'accurate' if the studio just happens to go down a similar path. Should someone who made up a rumour that Space Marines would get a flyer, or Space Wolves would ride around on giant wolves be judged 'accurate' just because GW eventually decided to release such things?

Frankly, there is no way to accurately judge any of this stuff without being privy to the complete trail the information has followed. So all this list really is, is a list of people who post rumours. You're still left judging the value of any given rumour on the timing of it and the actual information it contains.

Kudos to pretre for actually rolling up his sleeves and putting in the work here, though.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/18 22:36:24


Post by: davethepak


Dear mods;
While some may not think this is useful, personally, I do.

OP, thanks for doing this, and for keeping it up even with the criticisms.

Yes, we know this is not an exact science, but hey, its better than combing through hundreds of other threads, or using "oh, hey so and so said that person X was accurate...".



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/18 22:40:54


Post by: pretre


The timing issue is addressed by the types of rating each receives. We are only judging true, false, wrong date. If yOu say tau will be out Tuesday and they aren't, that's false. If you say 6th will have charge reactions and it doesn't, that's false.

Even Iif those things were true at one time, your rumor was false.

I'll keep campaigning though.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/18 22:41:26


Post by: Shadelkan


I like this a lot. As a newcomer to the rumors game, I don't fully understand when people say X person is more reliable over Y person. This thread actually lets me see the rumors persons X and Y have made (and if they panned out).

Thanks a lot OP.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/20 00:34:51


Post by: Altruizine


I think this thread will be a great resource once the kinks are worked out.

However, I don't think it can possibly present a full picture until you fold the WFB rumours & outcomes into the summary. The disinclusion of those rumours is the PRECISE reason why Harry and Hastings didn't "score" as well as some people thought they would; a lot of their rumourmongering successes involved 8th edition WFB releases.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/20 01:16:11


Post by: pretre


I will add WFB if people give them to me. Also note there are no scores anymore.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/21 16:14:42


Post by: pretre


More BoW stuff added.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/21 19:17:02


Post by: Monster Rain


Regarding Bramgart, I don't know if I agree that warriors "stayed the same."

Going from a 3+ to a 4+ is kind of a big deal in my world.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/21 19:27:32


Post by: pretre


The rumor was re: the models. I updated to reflect that.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 11:51:34


Post by: reps0l


@pretre Hypothetical question (at least for the next few days): So Beasts of War was correct on the flyers coming out (so Rumor=True), what if the sketches they showed were way off base? Do they get a True with a caveat or a False since it did not happen "as they said"?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 13:25:39


Post by: pretre


reps0l wrote:@pretre Hypothetical question (at least for the next few days): So Beasts of War was correct on the flyers coming out (so Rumor=True), what if the sketches they showed were way off base? Do they get a True with a caveat or a False since it did not happen "as they said"?

Did we get an official confirmation from GW on the flyers? I would give them a true if they are pretty close.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 13:35:00


Post by: reps0l


Not "Official GW" but BoLS usually does not post these lists unless they have an order form or whatever Independent Retailers call them:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/05/40k-wfb-news-june-releases.html


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 13:38:58


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I think that as a policy I will wait for the 'official' confirmation of whatever rumor we are discussing.

Probably the best way to handle it.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 13:58:39


Post by: reps0l


Hence my "Hypothetical question (at least for the next few days)" preface



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/22 14:04:56


Post by: pretre


reps0l wrote:Hence my "Hypothetical question (at least for the next few days)" preface



Cool, let me update the original post with the policy.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/23 12:48:23


Post by: reps0l


Looks like Beast of War did good on the sketches:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?p=200005#post200005

Not from GW, but the definitely looks like images from a GW book.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/23 14:02:08


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I think I'll count it.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/23 14:38:58


Post by: reps0l


I don't think there was an "original rumor monger" for the price increase. It's expected every year so it was more of a breaking news type of event rather than a speculative rumor/gossip.

BoLS has a post on their main page. Miniwargaming made a video about too. Etc etc.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/23 14:43:29


Post by: pretre


We'll let it go then.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/30 14:29:52


Post by: reps0l


Just scanning through some of the collection, need several more for Beasts of Wars rule set:
Stand and Shoot (allows units to shoot when they are being charged)
Pre-Measuring In

References here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450082.page

Also, if you can color code your True/False/Pending etc, it will make it easier to see what's up at a glance.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/05/30 14:52:56


Post by: pretre


Okay, just fixed colors and spacing for a lot of stuff.

Added the BoW one and the one from BoLs re: no more waves.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/04 13:46:20


Post by: pretre


Added Stickmonkey's new flyer rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/06 14:03:23


Post by: Whitehat


October WOC Release PENDING

Delayed

CCW get AP in 6th Ed PENDING

Yes

Premeasuring in! PENDING

Yes

Wound Allocation is closest models to shooting unit first. PENDING

Yes

40k will have challenges like in fantasy PENDING

Similar

Hardcover book PENDING

Yes

Eldar flyer spotted PENDING

Yes

Dark Angels (May/June) PENDING

No

6th Edition (July/August) PENDING

No

-Starter Box featuring Dark Angels vs. Eldar PENDING

No

Eldar (Oct/Nov Xenos slot) PENDING

No

October WOC Release PENDING

No

No EW Levels PENDING
Correct

Hull Points PENDING

Yes

Chaos Legions mid Year PENDING

Late, CSM, not Legions

Tau, first codex in 2013 PENDING

No

DA not updated anytime soon because GW doesn't want to invest in armies no one plays PENDING

No

Eldar before 6th PENDING

No

CSM get one of newest dexes in 6th PENDING

Yes

Tau / BT right after CSM PENDING

No

No TOS in 2012 PENDING

No to the Negative


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/06 14:09:53


Post by: pretre


@Whitehat: Where are you getting your confirmations?


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Massive update from Faeit 212 rumor compilation:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/06/codex-chaos-marines-rumor-compilation.html#more


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Also, added Whitehat since he seems to think he is a rumor monger. I think you may have just picked the low-hanging fruit though.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/07 00:28:08


Post by: Whitehat


Confirmations are confidential

June 30 is 6th Ed
August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes)
DA Early next year
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/07 12:45:42


Post by: scarletsquig


Whitehat wrote:
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year


Ouch. We'll still have 4th edition books lurking around come 7th edition at this rate.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/07 13:02:13


Post by: deejaybainbridge


Good Idea.

So many rumour mongers gong about at the moment having a way of tracking who has been right and who has been off the mark is going to benefit all in the long run.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/07 21:37:02


Post by: pretre


Updated Harry and Starchild from Kroothawk's post in the N&R thread.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/08 14:06:42


Post by: pretre


Added Stickmonkey's ork wave



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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/08 23:32:16


Post by: RiTides


Wow, just found this thread. Fantastic work compiling and keeping this going, petre! I think it works just fine in Discussions, but it is really, really good to see some tracking here.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/08 23:33:26


Post by: pretre


Thanks! Just had a flurry of activity too!


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 04:07:43


Post by: Whitehat


More Info (unsure if others have mentioned it however)

Plastic Plaguebearers & Nurglings, Finecast Blue Scribes in August (amongst what Im presuming is that metal daemons will be released with Finecast Versions.)
Finecast will replace all metal models in the next year (unsure if that means specialist)

6th ed - a few morsels
Random Charges are 2D6 pick the highest (unless going through Difficult Terrain where its 3D6 and you drop the highest.) Move through cover I believe adds an extra D6

Vehicles are WS0 if stationary, and WS1 if they move, no matter how far they go.

Vehicles go the same distance in the movement phase (I believe 6" and fire everything regardless if fast or not) but in the shooting phase can make an extra move (apparently some kept forgetting what vehicles moved to fast to fire...

Vehicles cannot contest (unsure if scoring units in transports can

6 Missions and 3 deployment types (2 of the deployments are the same as current, Spearhead & Pitched Battle.)

Troops are the only ones that can score (including of course 'scoring units')

5+ Cover save for most things including ruins.

Allies rules are in, but its meant to be for team games (ie separate force org chart, distrusted ally rules similar to Fantasy)

Percentages are *not* in

Wound Allocation is closest to furthest.

Dueling is similar to challenges in fantasy but contrary to earlier rumors, they don't replace Combat res, just add to sides. A IC can challenge another IC in the same combat even if not in base to base. If the defending IC refuses, he simply cannot attack that turn, if he does he counts as being in b2b and no one else can hurt him apart from the attacking IC. I'm guessing this is to offset the Wound Allocation rules

Preferred Enemy is including shooting and you may reroll wound rolls of a 1 (either shooting or combat)

Rapid Fire weapons may now can shoot at long range while moving. restriction on assaulting after rapid firing remains.

Jump Infantry get a free strike at I10 when they charge into combat

Psychic Power Decks using a dice system similar to Fantasy.

Flyers are in.

FNP drops to 5+ Save.

I'm calling it now - Infantryhammer



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 13:43:49


Post by: pretre


Thanks, Whitehat!

I added your predictions to this thread and the Release Schedule thread. Most of that it pretty standard with what we have seen previously, but good to see more info.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 14:08:09


Post by: Gorechild


This is looking really good pretre, very informative

If I could make another suggestion though.....Would it not be worthwhile to record the date that each of these predictions is made? As far as I can see, it would be easy for people to get an impressive looking record in your list just by parroting back rumours that have already been made by other long-standing rumour mongers.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 14:17:06


Post by: pretre


Yes, that would be good. I will try and go back and post dates. That may be a bitznitch though. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 14:24:52


Post by: Gorechild


Yeah, maybe just for future rumours then. I can imagine it being a huge pain in the ass to go back through all of them now


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/11 14:38:09


Post by: pretre


Done with month and year.


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No, you don't get to change your mind! I'm done now.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 13:10:18


Post by: Whitehat


I mistyped re: the cover saves. Ruins are 4+, the vast majority of stuff is 5+

I did not mistype WS1 for moving vehicles, they are not WS10 if they moved - flyers might be different; not sure.

Preferred Enemy change of reroll 1's to wound is in addition to current rules for Preferred Enemy

Flyers are noted in the BRB changing some of the existing vehicles (Summary sheet in the back)

Eldar Flyer, Void Raven and Tau I believe are in the same wave.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 13:37:07


Post by: pretre


Thanks, Whitehat!

Updated Darnok and Whitehat's rumors from the release schedule thread.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 15:49:46


Post by: brettz123


Thought it might be helpful if you gave averyone a positive and negative rating so we could just look at the first post of you thread and see quickly how reliable someone was. For instance lets say you get 5pts for a correct rumor and -5 for an incorrect rumor and 2 points for a partially correct rumor.

an example would look something like this:

Hastings 75 / -5

That way you could look very quickly and see how someone really ranked instead of having to read an entire page worth of what they have done for us.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 15:55:49


Post by: pretre


@brettz123: It is an idea and avoids the problem of percentages. I'll let some other folks weigh in on the idea.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 18:21:37


Post by: reps0l


Administrative comment about the dates of the rumors: IMO I think there needs to be a little more contrast between the date the rumor was made/recorded and a prediction date. Currently, it is kind of muddled what date means what. I don't really have a suggestion, just something I noted. But I do love the idea of tracking it

I am not a fan of giving "goodness" ratings to the rumor mongers, too subjective. This thread is great to show the facts. Leave the who-should-I-trust to the reader. However as some of the rumor blocks are getting lengthy, an alternative to giving them a score would be to show their batting statistics: Total rumors: (#true) / (#false) / (#pending) ...as an example.

My $0.02 and some thoughts...and more work!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/12 19:03:17


Post by: pretre


Re: dates
I added a format section in the OP. Basically, the one next to the rumor sub-title is when it was posted.

I am not against
true /false /pending

Anyone else want to weigh in?


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 02:34:33


Post by: reps0l


Nice, the format section really helps. Easy fix, thanks!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 11:19:45


Post by: gilljoy


Whitehat wrote:I mistyped re: the cover saves. Ruins are 4+, the vast majority of stuff is 5+

I did not mistype WS1 for moving vehicles, they are not WS10 if they moved - flyers might be different; not sure.

Preferred Enemy change of reroll 1's to wound is in addition to current rules for Preferred Enemy

Flyers are noted in the BRB changing some of the existing vehicles (Summary sheet in the back)

Eldar Flyer, Void Raven and Tau I believe are in the same wave.


Any idea when the eldar and tau flyer wave is? Last rumour I heard pointed to august


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 14:08:06


Post by: pretre


Updated to include true / false / pending counts for everyone.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 14:23:01


Post by: reps0l


Well done. I like how you kept it outside the spoiler box, easy to peruse at a glance.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 14:25:51


Post by: pretre


Thanks. It should give us an idea of where people are at. I'm looking forward to the armageddon of updates that will be coming soon. I may need to enlist helpers. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 16:48:48


Post by: reps0l


Shoot me a PM, I'll be glad to help.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 16:49:46


Post by: pretre


Cool, I'll let you know if I need it.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 17:07:43


Post by: Max Jet


Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon,


Actually that was not what Stickmonkey said. He rather said:

Stickmonkey wrote:This is where it gets fuzzy. The tyrranofex is not at all shaped or sized IMO like the tervigon model. I did not have them side by side to compare, but lot of Internet speculation these kits would be combined. I don't see it. Some pieces like legs might have dual use, but I didn't see sprue cuts to tell there. If they are one kit, it will surprise me.


And I think mentioning the Dual Swarmlord Hive Tyrant kit and the Bits deserves more than just one "true" point.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 17:13:40


Post by: pretre


Fair enough. I split that rumor up into separate ones which gives him 3 true / 4 false. I gave him a true and a false for the two separate Tyr/Terv rumors since he got it right the first time, but then changed his mind. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/13 22:13:24


Post by: Jancoran


Samus_aran115 wrote:Sorry, but I think this is silly. All this is going to do is persuade future leakers to not post at the risk of being flamed or openly criticized (or put on this thread, right?).

Plus, most posters have a general idea who's reliable and who isn't. Quantifying their reliability is just going to cause endless quote pyramids.


Im fine with leakers being not excited about taking criticism. It'll mean they dont open their yap unless they're right. I get exhausted listening to wild speculation. Good lawd its EXHAUSTING


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/14 21:54:03


Post by: Billinator


Wow, that is... A whole lot of information right there!

Thank you very much, pretre, for compiling all of these!!
+1 (!!!)


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/18 13:47:36


Post by: pretre


Added the 6th Ed Heresy Online rumors.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/19 13:22:24


Post by: pretre


Added whitehat's ipad rumor.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/19 13:48:10


Post by: wuestenfux


Whitehat wrote:Confirmations are confidential

June 30 is 6th Ed
August is Daemons wave (plastic troops, last two boxes)
DA Early next year
Apart from CSM, no more codexes/Armybooks this year

These are actually good news: rulebook, Daemons, and CSM. This will give me some work during the 2nd half of the year.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/19 13:51:34


Post by: pretre


Yeah, looks like mr White Hat may get some TRUEs on his list.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/20 12:30:44


Post by: reps0l


IMO, I don't even know if the leaks are worth tracking. It's probably more effort than it's worth.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/20 13:27:00


Post by: pretre


Yeah, although it looks like we just got a lot of good juicy confirmations today. I will be busy.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/21 02:20:16


Post by: Whitehat


I made a mistake with the random charge; you dont drop the lowest (so 2D6 for foot; 3D6 for Jump infantry dropping the )

As a consololation; precision strike. On a 6 to hit with shooting from ICs or Snipers; on a roll of a 6 you can allocate who the wound goes to.

Also noted that you said Hardback for the rulebook (thought that was a given) Hardback was intended to refer to codexes from now on.

FAQs are scheduled to go up on release day.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/21 02:43:49


Post by: pretre


I will add those when I get into work tomorrow.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/21 22:02:05


Post by: Jancoran


This is the "He's a lier and he's not" thread. Lol.

I'm just fascinated by the fascination we have with rumors.

i mean this and other forums have trillions of 0's and 1's dedicated to this subject and really... None of it matters. In a vacuum any one rumor will sort of just be that: a thing in a vacuum.

gamers are such wierdos.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/23 20:37:49


Post by: pretre


Umm. Yeah...

Anyways, massive updates from the white dwarf info that I received.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/25 12:09:29


Post by: Breotan


Did anyone ever include the supposed Bretonnian rumors?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/367267.page


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/25 13:43:20


Post by: pretre


I added them. Got 2 falses and 3 pendings.


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Fixed that one so it wasn't attributed to harry


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/25 16:38:33


Post by: AesSedai


Hi Guys,

I've been on a break from 40k for about 6-8 months. I've come back to find 6th edition about to land. I'd like to mention a rumour post that I made in 2011 about the contents of the 6th edition starter. I feel I should be given full credit for being the first to break that rumour. I'm not a regular rumour source, but the rudeness that my post was greeted with left a very bad taste in my mouth. If I ever post another rumour, I would like to point to a history of accuracy to silence the trolls, naysayers, and wishlisters.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/400759.page


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/25 17:05:06


Post by: pretre


Added that rumor, which puts you at 1, 1 and 3.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/06/27 15:33:46


Post by: pretre


More updates


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/02 14:15:37


Post by: pretre


Updated all the 6th ed rumors except the 'Imperium protect the Tau' rumor since I haven't read the fluff section of the B3 yet.


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Found the Tau thing on another thread. I think you can really get an idea now of who knows what they are talking about and who's just throwing gak against the wall and hoping some of it will stick.

I think a couple folks (whitehat) must have had leaked copies of WD, books, since they put out prolific lists late in the game and got a lot correct.

Interesting stuff. I'll keep it up, although it will slow down for a while until Chaos pops out.

I am not adding the starter set rumors from N&R, unless someone can translate or give me a rumor monger.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/02 19:46:01


Post by: reps0l


Nice to see all the updates, pretre.

For all the flak Beasts of War got for being "unreliable" the sure have a nice batting average for the 6th edition videos they made.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/03 08:03:41


Post by: Whitehat


pretre wrote:Updated all the 6th ed rumors except the 'Imperium protect the Tau' rumor since I haven't read the fluff section of the B3 yet.


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I think a couple folks (whitehat) must have had leaked copies of WD, books, since they put out prolific lists late in the game and got a lot correct.


Can you believe White Dwarfs are more locked down than the books?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/03 13:43:33


Post by: pretre


Whitehat wrote:
pretre wrote:I think a couple folks (whitehat) must have had leaked copies of WD, books, since they put out prolific lists late in the game and got a lot correct.

Can you believe White Dwarfs are more locked down than the books?

I can believe anything of GW. That is pretty crazy though. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/09 17:10:49


Post by: pretre


Added Reecius' FW rumor.


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Aww, Faeit212 tried to do my accuracy thing:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/07/rumor-check-40k-6th-edition-rumors.html#more


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/09 21:22:54


Post by: spyguyyoda


Thanks Pretre! That must have taken a while to update all those...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/10 07:40:37


Post by: Thunderfrog


Great work here Pretre. It's amazing you took this much time to track all of this.

A lot of people thought Whitehat was just some dude who knew nothing. Seems he had a pretty good indication of what was going on after all.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/10 08:12:03


Post by: rabidaskal


This is amazing, great work putting these all together and keeping them updated!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/10 14:14:31


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I suspect Whitehat had a copy of the book or WD early.

A couple posts up he kinda hints that he had the book or access to it.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/16 13:44:31


Post by: pretre


Added the necron vs sm starter set rumor.


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Added chaos codex rumors from Logan on Faeit212


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Added the detail chaos rumors from Skcuzzl.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/16 15:15:23


Post by: Kroothawk


ghost21: Sororitas printed Codex in autumn 2011 with plastic miniature release FALSE

harry: IMPERIAL ARMOUR AERONAUTICA release TRUE

Warseer as category????

BTW you find a summary of Fantasy rumours in this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/461735.page


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/16 15:22:28


Post by: pretre


Kroothawk wrote:ghost21: Sororitas printed Codex in autumn 2011 with plastic miniature release FALSE

harry: IMPERIAL ARMOUR AERONAUTICA release TRUE

Warseer as category????

BTW you find a summary of Fantasy rumours in this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/461735.page


Hey, Kroot!

Thanks for the G21 one. Got a link?

I actually had Harry's AI rumor but hadn't updated it, so thanks!

Warseer is a category for anything that no one has gotten me a real name for. It could probably be parsed out. I'll take a look again this week if I have a chance.

I saw that Fantasy one, but it was just Harry rehashing other people's rumors so didn't count it, since I didn't have links to the originals. You think we should just use his post and count it for all the people he listed?


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Yeah, I checked the Warseer rumor. It is from a dakka poster who just wrote 'Leaks from Warseer'. Ugh.


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Massive update for the Harry Fantasy rumors. Yikes.


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Got a massive set of updates from KH for Darnok, Jared van Kell and TheDarkGeneral. Added 72 rumors for TDG alone.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/17 13:51:30


Post by: pretre


Added Bramgaunt dates and TDG's flyer predictions for 2 weeks hence.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/18 21:00:21


Post by: pretre


Neko from Warseer updated.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/18 21:14:40


Post by: catharsix


I haven't checked this out in a while, but you've done some good work here!

I re-itterate my support for this getting stickied, and put in the News & Rumors section!

-C6


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/18 23:00:20


Post by: BolingbrokeIV


Have you covered this...

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/06/40k-allies-are-for-what.html

BOLS had it down that named ICs couldn't be taken for allies. Turned out to be false.

...just a minor annoyance of mine as it actually had me fooled until somebody pointed out it wasn't the case a few days ago.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/19 00:45:11


Post by: pretre


I wasn't counting a lot of stuff from the week before since most of it wasn't rumors at that point. That post would get BOLS a mostly good rating since they had almost all of it down. I may add it tomorrow when I'm at a computer.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/19 13:37:13


Post by: pretre


Eldar rumors added.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 07:30:03


Post by: jspyd3rx


This feels like it is done in poor taste. Just my 2 cents.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 07:38:42


Post by: Slinky


jspyd3rx wrote:This feels like it is done in poor taste. Just my 2 cents.


Explain


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 07:49:34


Post by: Ronin


Slinky wrote:
jspyd3rx wrote:This feels like it is done in poor taste. Just my 2 cents.

Explain


Well, for one it unfairly lists/numbers certain people, and leaves them open to undue criticism. For example, Natfka (i.e., Faeit 212) doesn't create rumours, nor is he particularly known for providing rumour leaks on upcoming releases. What he is known for, however, is scouring the web and compileing the rumours that are already floating around, providing the source of the rumours (if available). This thread and its objectives doesn't acknowledge that, and instead only provides some arbitrary "4 rumours right, 6 rumours wrong, 10 pending" count, which in itself means nothing.

Actually, what is this thread's objective? Just a running tally of who's rumours are correct? What for?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 10:55:34


Post by: Thunderfrog


I find it hard to believe you cannot understand the threads objective, especially given the opening post.

Some of us are tired of reading a rumor and wondering whether the guy giving it is just spouting gak or knows whats up.

Referencing this thread I could probably decide that a rumor by Heresy Online isn't worth even posting over, but if it comes from Yakface or Whitehat, it's likely something substantial.

I can't imagine that concept is hard to grasp, although I can understand someone not thinking it's entirely fruitful or necessary.

If thats the case, then whatever, cuz folk gon' do what folk gon' do whether or not you think its a worthwhile expenditure of effort.

Finally, take a quick glance through the thread. Even if you truley don't get it , about 5 pages of other people do and are appreciative of the OPs efforts.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 11:24:06


Post by: lord_blackfang


The reference of who said what is invaluable. The poster ratings themselves are rather off (arbitrary and inaccurate)


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 12:32:30


Post by: Ronin


You're right, I don't understand the necessity of it. Particularly in the means by which it's done. I understand a lot of work has gone into compiling this, but rumours are called rumours for a reason. There's always a possibility that they're not true, for a variety of reasons. Either because the poster is talking gak, or GW has had a sudden change of plans, or a myriad of other factors. Everyone understands that.
Except now there's a list of rumour posters, the purpose of which is so you can decide if a rumour, and the person posting it, is worth discussing. But there's an inherent danger in that kind of thinking. How are you deciding if someone's rumours are more trustworthy than another?
Just because they have a distinctly better ratio of True-to-False rumours? As I said, rumours are rumours, and many may not come true for a variety of reasons. If someone were to get something wrong, what kind of flaming or criticism would they receive over it? Not only that, some of the sources posted in the OP are a little misleading. I already mentioned that Faeit 212 does not post his own rumours, he only compiles rumours other people have posted, and appropriately credits them. Last I checked, BoLS did the same (unless I missed something). So what if a rumour they reported was wrong? Are they at fault for it? Why is there now another big red FALSE on their record, when it wasnt even their own rumour to begin with?
People didn't need a neatly compiled (and it is rather neatly compiled) list to do the thinking for them before. People understand that rumours are rumours, and that your own scrutiny, judgement, and salt was required. Any reasonable person is going to know how strong a rumour is. This list skips that step entirely.

Anyways, them my 2 cents. Disregard as you will, and keep up the good work


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 13:18:07


Post by: pretre


Ronin wrote:Well, for one it unfairly lists/numbers certain people, and leaves them open to undue criticism. For example, Natfka (i.e., Faeit 212) doesn't create rumours, nor is he particularly known for providing rumour leaks on upcoming releases. What he is known for, however, is scouring the web and compileing the rumours that are already floating around, providing the source of the rumours (if available). This thread and its objectives doesn't acknowledge that, and instead only provides some arbitrary "4 rumours right, 6 rumours wrong, 10 pending" count, which in itself means nothing.

Actually, what is this thread's objective? Just a running tally of who's rumours are correct? What for?

Natfka does generally repost, but occasionally he receives rumors in his comments or through e-mail that he posts. Hence the reason he has his own category. Where he reposts, the original author gets credit. Where he does not provide a source (because he is posting it as an original rumor), he does not and it goes under him.

The number of right and wrong rumors shows us how reliable a rumor monger is.


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lord_blackfang wrote: The poster ratings themselves are rather off (arbitrary and inaccurate)

How so? They are simple lists of what they said and whether it was true or not. If there is an inaccuracy, please note it in the thread so I can update it.


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Ronin wrote: There's always a possibility that they're not true, for a variety of reasons. Either because the poster is talking gak, or GW has had a sudden change of plans, or a myriad of other factors. Everyone understands that.

Exactly my point, the Gak talkers need to get sorted from the people who are generally right.

Except now there's a list of rumour posters, the purpose of which is so you can decide if a rumour, and the person posting it, is worth discussing. But there's an inherent danger in that kind of thinking. How are you deciding if someone's rumours are more trustworthy than another?

Do they have a history of accuracy or not?

Just because they have a distinctly better ratio of True-to-False rumours? As I said, rumours are rumours, and many may not come true for a variety of reasons. If someone were to get something wrong, what kind of flaming or criticism would they receive over it? Not only that, some of the sources posted in the OP are a little misleading. I already mentioned that Faeit 212 does not post his own rumours, he only compiles rumours other people have posted, and appropriately credits them. Last I checked, BoLS did the same (unless I missed something). So what if a rumour they reported was wrong? Are they at fault for it? Why is there now another big red FALSE on their record, when it wasnt even their own rumour to begin with?

Again, although Faeit and BOLs are generally aggregators, sometimes they provide their own rumors without source. If they do that then they are responsible. If there are inaccurate postings, please list them so they can be corrected.




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Updated Faeit based on his post on his blog.


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I had an interesting discussion with Faeit in the comments on one of his threads on what this thread is about:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/07/rumor-track-records-for-faeit-212-your.html


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/20 22:19:20


Post by: lord_blackfang


Big Red
Default power + roll for powers, Casting costs, some race specific lores FALSE

How the hell is this false?

Chipstar
"snapshop" = stand and shoot for an assaulted unit, BS1, no template or blast FALSE

Why is this false?

Grant
*Some usr names are "strike down", "blind", and "un-weilding". PENDING

TRUE. All of these USRs are in the main rulebook.

Heresy Online
Vehicles being hit in combat auto if stationary, 3+ is going 6", 5+ if going 12", 6+ if going flat out. TRUE

Ummm... no.

Logan on Faeit 212
Codex at Warehouse PENDING

How exactly do you propose to confirm this?

Also note that the scope of individual rumours varies wildly and the scoring does nothing to reflect that. yakface only got 1 TRUE for many pages of accurate info on Necrons, while someone posting a dozen tiny scraps would get 12 TRUEs. The reverse also applies, people with long rumours just get one big FALSE if they get even a tiny part wrong, others get separate grades for each bit.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/21 00:41:09


Post by: pretre


L_BF: Thanks for the feedback, let me address!

lord_blackfang wrote:
Big Red
Default power + roll for powers, Casting costs, some race specific lores FALSE

How the hell is this false?

Race Specific lores. I will split it into two items. One true and one pending. Since we haven't seen race specific lores yet.

Chipstar
"snapshop" = stand and shoot for an assaulted unit, BS1, no template or blast FALSE

Why is this false?

Overwatch, or stand and shoot allows for Wall of Death attacks. I can see the point though. I will update

Grant
*Some usr names are "strike down", "blind", and "un-weilding". PENDING

TRUE. All of these USRs are in the main rulebook.

Updated. It was part of the CSM rumors so was pending until we saw the book, but it looks like it might be about 6th instead.

Heresy Online
Vehicles being hit in combat auto if stationary, 3+ is going 6", 5+ if going 12", 6+ if going flat out. TRUE

Ummm... no.

Updated. I must have confirmed based on a poor reading on my part. Thanks!

Logan on Faeit 212
Codex at Warehouse PENDING

How exactly do you propose to confirm this?

Tough to confirm. I'll leave as not enough info.


Also note that the scope of individual rumours varies wildly and the scoring does nothing to reflect that. yakface only got 1 TRUE for many pages of accurate info on Necrons, while someone posting a dozen tiny scraps would get 12 TRUEs. The reverse also applies, people with long rumours just get one big FALSE if they get even a tiny part wrong, others get separate grades for each bit.

In my opinion, number of trues aren't as important as percentage. If anyone finds ones that can be split out more, I'll update them more. We only went so far back for some and yak's was one of them. As he really has only a couple rumors, having a full true rating makes it more important than how many pieces there were.

That being said, I really appreciate the help. If you find anymore I can split up or update, please post and I will do so.


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Also, my original rating strategy was to rate rumor POSTs as opposed to RUMORs themselves (breaking down posts into sub rumors). This has led to a change in a lot of the ratings, but some of them have not been updated (Yak's is a good example).

I update more as I find them, but there are an awful lot that I haven't gotten to yet. I'll try to do a big update next week or this weekend.


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I think I managed to split up all of them except Yak. If anyone wants to do Yak and post it, I'll update it.

Thanks again, L_BF!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 13:56:14


Post by: pretre


Updated a ton from this weekend.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 14:33:24


Post by: reps0l


I'll put a personal, positive spin on this thread:

When Beasts of War released their 6th Ed rumor videos, quite of few people doubted their validity. In general, I've been told on here that Beasts of War is not the most credible source for rumors or rules interpretation. Now, my opinion of them has changed and I look forward to following their content in the future.

Probably a bad example as those videos had their own thread, but a lot of these rumors get buried in huge rumor threads which I don't always have time to follow.

I'm a fan of this thread.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 14:48:19


Post by: pretre


Good call. BoW did get poo-poo'd a lot (including by me). I still think they are a hit factory, but at least they give one piece of info per video. lol


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I added Blood of Kitten's rumors but not his rehash of Skcuzzlebumm's.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 16:46:59


Post by: garrapignado


I like this post! I don't know why it isn't on N&R thread, as I can find any rumour here! Apart from the intention, is a good source to see what is suppossed to happen in the next months with a deeper treatment than the current rumours sticky thread by Kroothawk (even being a good job too).

Said that, I want to help to make this post greater with some opinions/questions/advices/whatever:

BEASTS OF WAR:
and each Pskyer in the 40K universe will have access to a limited number of them FALSE
NOTE: AFAIK, No army can take every psychic discipline, so every army has access to a limited number of them (even if this limit is zero). I think this should be marked TRUE.

BOLS:
No more multi-wave releases when 6th launches 1 FALSE Finecast waves disprove this?
NOTE: we should wait until the next army book/codex release to see if this is true. Of course, a flyers wave doesn't disprove this, as many of them are presumably not included in their current codexes. I'm not sure if finecast disproves this. Maybe IC are not a problem, but do are units (as flayed ones). Anyway I think this should be marked PENDING.

Bramgaunt:
Expensive Flayed Ones, Imm/Deathm one kit TRUE
NOTE: This deserves split.

Reecius/frontline:
FW to be sold in GW stores FALSE
FW to be allowed in normal 40k PENDING
NOTE: withouth a date, this is soooo vague. We could wait for years and this never happen, but we couldn't mark it as FALSE. I think this should be marked as TOO VAGUE. Even if it becomes true, We couldn't mark it true. I can say that GW will release a new army but I don't say when. Is my statement false? No. If in 2025, GW creates a new army, does my rumour become true? Not necessarily. I said something plausible but I didn't provide any other hint (a date, for example).

So, keep working on it, and I expect to see this post on the N&R forum!!!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 16:53:47


Post by: pretre


garrapignado wrote:I like this post! I don't know why it isn't on N&R thread, as I can find any rumour here! Apart from the intention, is a good source to see what is suppossed to happen in the next months with a deeper treatment than the current rumours sticky thread by Kroothawk (even being a good job too).

Said that, I want to help to make this post greater with some opinions/questions/advices/whatever:

BEASTS OF WAR:
and each Pskyer in the 40K universe will have access to a limited number of them FALSE
NOTE: AFAIK, No army can take every psychic discipline, so every army has access to a limited number of them (even if this limit is zero). I think this should be marked TRUE.

Thanks for the help! I went with false on this because there are clearly some races that were stiffed by the new psychic disciplines.

BOLS:
No more multi-wave releases when 6th launches 1 FALSE Finecast waves disprove this?
NOTE: we should wait until the next army book/codex release to see if this is true. Of course, a flyers wave doesn't disprove this, as many of them are presumably not included in their current codexes. I'm not sure if finecast disproves this. Maybe IC are not a problem, but do are units (as flayed ones). Anyway I think this should be marked PENDING.

We just had a multi-wave release didn't we? Finecast and Necron special characters. Daemons this month. Or you think it means that the whole codex comes out at once? I'll go ahead and move this to pending.

Bramgaunt:
Expensive Flayed Ones, Imm/Deathm one kit TRUE
NOTE: This deserves split.

Can do.

Reecius/frontline:
FW to be sold in GW stores FALSE
FW to be allowed in normal 40k PENDING
NOTE: withouth a date, this is soooo vague. We could wait for years and this never happen, but we couldn't mark it as FALSE. I think this should be marked as TOO VAGUE. Even if it becomes true, We couldn't mark it true. I can say that GW will release a new army but I don't say when. Is my statement false? No. If in 2025, GW creates a new army, does my rumour become true? Not necessarily. I said something plausible but I didn't provide any other hint (a date, for example).

It had a 'soon' attached to the rumor and both GW and FW shot it down.




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Update BOLS and Bramgaunt per last post.


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Move BoK to Tastytaste at BoK. Realpha'd.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 17:05:09


Post by: garrapignado


Thanks for taking my notes into account!


pretre wrote:
It had a 'soon' attached to the rumor and both GW and FW shot it down.

About this, I missed the "soon" and the GW/FW reaction. So it's OK.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/23 17:07:29


Post by: pretre


As for your broader question, if they don't give a date and it is waaay too vague, I'll just put 'Too Vague'. This also applies if it is a rumor that we have no way of verifying.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/25 13:30:00


Post by: pretre


Updated Hastings and Erazmus chaos rumors


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Added more rumors from Faeit users.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/26 13:44:44


Post by: pretre


Added updates for Kirby and Faeit 212.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/30 14:05:00


Post by: pretre


Just updated August rumors and Daemon's releases since those are locked down now. A lot of good confirmations in there.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/07/31 14:02:17


Post by: pretre


Added Ornithopter's rumors from the Tau thread.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/01 19:18:44


Post by: pretre


Added Starter Set rumors from Demiurg and Harry.


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Digital release rumors added.


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Added Stickmonkey rumors for Tau.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 14:03:25


Post by: pretre


Huge update from FAeit212


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Added Faeit 212 DA rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 18:18:46


Post by: reps0l


Whoa, those are some sweet rumors. It would be nice to see Whirlwinds used more often.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 18:28:24


Post by: pretre


I popped them into a N&R thread as well.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 21:31:54


Post by: Kroothawk


Stickmonkey: 2012 Q3 - 6 Ed FALSE

6th edition rules were released one day before Q3, but basically are a July release, starter expected September, also Q3.
As a veteran, he is of course aware of all new editions being released July/September.
So calling this rumour false is harsh or even misleading.

Stickmonkey is usually the first to post most rumours, this one half a year ahead (repeating his prediction from several months before that). In this special case, you should take into account that he posts rumours of things far ahead in the future, so a certain blurriness is unavoidable esp with exact release dates. You can't compare that with people getting the WD a few days early and copying the content to the internet.

Oh, and the wrong date on second wave Tyranids is rumoured to be caused by the Chapterhouse lawsuit that started after he posted the rumour, so could have been correct at the time of writing (one year ahead of the predicted release date).

Also:
Tyrannofex not dual with Tervigon (different posts) FALSE

is in contradiction to the quote you linked:
stickmonkey wrote:Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in

even if he later gets some fuzzy doubts:
This is where it gets fuzzy. The tyrranofex is not at all shaped or sized IMO like the tervigon model. I did not have them side by side to compare, but lot of Internet speculation these kits would be combined. I don't see it. Some pieces like legs might have dual use, but I didn't see sprue cuts to tell there. If they are one kit, it will surprise me.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 22:12:13


Post by: pretre


K. I can update some of that tomorrow when I get in.

I'll give him the 6th thing and the tyrannofex. The wrong date doesn't count against him.

I'm trying to avoid judgement on dates though. I realize he posts well ahead but I don't want to give a blanket exemption.


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Also, even if we hear rumOr of why something ended up not being true (chapter house issue, 6th problems, etc) we can never confirm them so can't really use them.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 23:09:00


Post by: Kroothawk


Same with this part.
Rumored July release: 6th Ed hard back, 6th Ed special edition, Limited templates, game aids, and what not for 6th edition... TRUEWRONG DATE


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/02 23:27:08


Post by: pretre


Yeah, wrong date doesn't tally against your true false count. I can update it but it doesn't matter. I'll add it to my list for tomorrow.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 02:48:40


Post by: Posit


pretre wrote:
Thanks for the help! I went with false on this because there are clearly some races that were stiffed by the new psychic disciplines.

So? Psykers have access to some subset of the greater set, and the what they said was essentially true. This should count for them.

I noticed a number of problems in the bits of the list that I peeked at, so I have to ask: what's the point of this thread? If it's here to help distinguish the rumormongers with an actual inside track from the people who are just making stuff up, then it probably does have some use. But these scores need to be tallied with this in mind, which means that "close enough" should count. If this is just a scoreboard for bragging rights or whatever, then carry on, but I don't see the point.

Anything that turns out to have probably been true at the time it was stated should count as true. For instance the early July release date rumors - there were a bunch of these around, and while June 30th isn't early July, it's damn close, and you really should just give it credit as "close enough". It probably was planned for early July at one point, and then got kicked up a week or two.

As a suggestion for further improvement, it might be a good idea to only give credit to the first person to state a rumor - that way people can't make themselves look reliable just by repeating stuff from those who are actually reliable. But I realize this could entail a lot of work and micromanagement, and I wouldn't blame you at all if you didn't want to deal with it - I wouldn't.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 02:54:48


Post by: pretre


Posit wrote:So? Psykers have access to some subset of the greater set, and the what they said was essentially true. This should count for them.
...
Anything that turns out to have probably been true at the time it was stated should count as true. For instance the early July release date rumors - there were a bunch of these around, and while June 30th isn't early July, it's damn close, and you really should just give it credit as "close enough". It probably was planned for early July at one point, and then got kicked up a week or two.

The problem I have with 'close enough' is that it allows a lot of leeway for people to make crap up.

I noticed a number of problems in the bits of the list that I peeked at, so I have to ask: what's the point of this thread? If it's here to help distinguish the rumormongers with an actual inside track from the people who are just making stuff up, then it probably does have some use. But these scores need to be tallied with this in mind, which means that "close enough" should count. If this is just a scoreboard for bragging rights or whatever, then carry on, but I don't see the point.

The point is to sort out the people who are full of crap from the people who are actual sources. I'm not sure that me trying to make a value judgement on them is going to help. I am fully willing to review the list for other people, however.

As a suggestion for further improvement, it might be a good idea to only give credit to the first person to state a rumor - that way people can't make themselves look reliable just by repeating stuff from those who are actually reliable. But I realize this could entail a lot of work and micromanagement, and I wouldn't blame you at all if you didn't want to deal with it - I wouldn't.

It would be nice to be able to do that, but it has been pretty tough so far. If anyone wants to help, I'd be happy to remove folks listings if it is a pile-on.


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Stickmonkey has one more true and one less false now (tyranno and 6th). I removed the wrong date reference for him.

edit: you know with the psychic one, I really don't feel that it was 'close enough'

6 disciplines (Biomancy, Divination, Pyromancy, Telekinesis & Telepathy) TRUE WRONG NUMBER. lol
and each Pskyer in the 40K universe will have access to a limited number of them FALSE

Wrong number of disciplines and wrong about everyone having access. I gave them basically a 50/50 on this. They got credit for the idea of disciplines and the names, but not for number and everyone getting them. It was a big disappointment for a some races to hear that everyone gets them (orks!) from BoW but later find out that they didn't get any access to these powers.


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Keep it coming though. I really do appreciate the help and feedback. Right now it is ridiculously nasty to look at and edit so any help I get is very welcome.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 05:17:36


Post by: Posit


pretre wrote:edit: you know with the psychic one, I really don't feel that it was 'close enough'

6 disciplines (Biomancy, Divination, Pyromancy, Telekinesis & Telepathy) TRUE WRONG NUMBER. lol
and each Pskyer in the 40K universe will have access to a limited number of them FALSE

Wrong number of disciplines and wrong about everyone having access. I gave them basically a 50/50 on this. They got credit for the idea of disciplines and the names, but not for number and everyone getting them. It was a big disappointment for a some races to hear that everyone gets them (orks!) from BoW but later find out that they didn't get any access to these powers.

You don't get that much right without some inside source somewhere along the way, and you really shouldn't be throwing falses at them because they miscounted (especially when they listed the exact right disciplines) or because there's a special case that they didn't mention, even if you care a lot about that special case. If you're going to do this, you should try to be more objective, and when you have to make some judgement, do it by weighing the probability that they have some inside track. In otherwords, ask "Is it close enough that it's unlikely that they just made it up out of whole cloth?" If in doubt, don't count it either way. In the case above, it should be pretty clear that they didn't just make it up - they were way too specific and other than an error in counting their own words and some ambiguity in the second clause, they were correct.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 14:11:23


Post by: pretre


I thought I was being pretty objective about it. I'll change it though.

Updated to add straight silver's rumor about Storm of Magic for 40k.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 15:42:16


Post by: reps0l


@pretre Maybe you should place a disclaimer in the OP on how this is just a fun little project --or hobby. Seems like it may be coming across too seriously. And perhaps you should draw a line on what you define as a rumor, e.g. must be a projection of at least one month out. I feel "leaks" like the stuff from WhiteHat take away from the far out forecasters like Harry and Stickeymonkey and company.

Posit wrote:You don't get that much right without some inside source somewhere along the way, and you really shouldn't be throwing falses at them because they miscounted (especially when they listed the exact right disciplines) or because there's a special case that they didn't mention, even if you care a lot about that special case. If you're going to do this, you should try to be more objective, and when you have to make some judgement, do it by weighing the probability that they have some inside track. In otherwords, ask "Is it close enough that it's unlikely that they just made it up out of whole cloth?" If in doubt, don't count it either way. In the case above, it should be pretty clear that they didn't just make it up - they were way too specific and other than an error in counting their own words and some ambiguity in the second clause, they were correct.

You tell him to be Objective but then give him directions on being Subjective.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 15:47:45


Post by: pretre


Hmm. That's an interesting idea. Separating leaks from rumors. Tough to do though. Hmmm.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 16:11:48


Post by: reps0l


Yeah, and I bet a lot rumors start from someone seeing a leaked book/model/etc.

There is a difference in what BoW did and what WhiteHat did in regards to 6th (besides the videos). But you wouldn't know that from the OP. Setting a window was just an idea I had.

Any way, that's just how I see it...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/03 16:27:20


Post by: pretre


I don't know that there really is a big difference between BoW and Whitehat. It is pretty clear that BoW's leaks were basically White Dwarf leaks and Whitehat pretty much had a WD or the rulebook in front of him.

It's all really the same thing.

I get the impression that people like Stickmonkey on the other hand are actually talking to studio folks and getting tidbits.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/06 15:09:30


Post by: pretre


Updated Stickmonkey for one TRUE, one FALSE for Saturday releases. He got the date wrong (tracked separately, which is probably the fairest way for him), but got the painting guide.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 14:16:30


Post by: pretre


I just significantly changed Stickmonkey's rating. I was double dinging for Furies and really I shouldn't give them false since they may still be coming. Also, the DE Bomber, I had already dinged him for the flyer wave not coming, so I put this back to pending.

In general if a rumor says something like this:
Sisters of Battle Wave September
New Canoness FC
Plastic Sisters
New Immolator Kit

and nothing happens in September, then only the first line would be false, the others would still be pending.

Sisters of Battle Wave September FALSE
New Canoness FC PENDING
Plastic Sisters PENDING
New Immolator Kit PENDING

Does that seem like a good approach? This way we don't overly penalize getting a release date wrong but still having the right information overall. (Something that the good rumor mongers do since they see the stuff at studio/warehouse but might not have a reliable date.)

THE RUMOR ABOVE FOR SISTERS IS AN EXAMPLE AND NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS A RUMOR


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 14:35:50


Post by: Revenent Reiko


Great idea for a thread Pretre! This is exceptionally useful!

a little heads up, i notice that for Chipstar's entry, the 'False' tags are in green not red, nothing major, just thought i would point it out...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 14:38:44


Post by: pretre


Updated Chipstar. Thanks!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 14:58:42


Post by: Revenent Reiko


No Problem

On the pending/false front, i would be happy with the idea you posted. Yes the timing is wrong, but even so, if the new kits do come out, then the rumour was true for that specific event (as opposed to the wave as a whole).

Just my £0.02


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 14:59:29


Post by: pretre


I'll have to do another sweep then to see if I can catch anymoer. it is a bear to go through the whole thing. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 15:04:22


Post by: Revenent Reiko


pretre wrote:I'll have to do another sweep then to see if I can catch anymoer. it is a bear to go through the whole thing. lol


You know, i am not surprised in the slightest....

Ill proof read if you want, see what i can catch...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 15:07:19


Post by: pretre


Yeah, that'd be awesome. if you find any formatting/grammar/logic mistakes or any more of the questionable false/trues, just post or PM and I'll update.

Thanks!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/07 15:17:19


Post by: Revenent Reiko


Sure, ive got nothing to do at work right now, so its not such a chore for me (this feeling may change lol)...Will do!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/08 15:54:40


Post by: pretre


Major update after some proofreading from Revenent Reiko. Thanks RR!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/08 15:58:12


Post by: Revenent Reiko


No worries, happy to help on such an awesome thread


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/08 16:36:10


Post by: timetowaste85


Hey, one against Stickmonkey-unless it wasn't mentioned in WD, there is no Finecast Herald of Nurgle. Greater Daemon, yes. Herald, no. Idk if you want to adjust that at all...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/08 16:37:30


Post by: pretre


Oh, good call. I will update to PENDING, since it could be coming.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/10 14:16:15


Post by: pretre


Added Harry's release schedule rumors


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/13 13:49:36


Post by: pretre


Updated chaos rumors from Faeit and Tasty


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Added Antipathy rumors.


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Added finecast rumor and link for Erazmus_M_Wattle back in 03/2011.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/16 19:21:41


Post by: Red Viper


Thank you so much for starting this thread pretre. This is the kind of thing a lot of people thought about, but no one had the dedication to actually pull it off.

I rarely post on any board, but I do read a lot... so this is really helpful.

I don't think it's necessary to sort it out by those that predict further in the future (stickmonkey, harry, hastings) from those that just say it a few weeks in advance. That'd be very hard to sort and it's something we can figure out anyway.

Anyway, thanks again for compiling this. I'm sure it was hard work, but at least it wasn't thankless hard work.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/16 19:22:17


Post by: pretre


heh. Thanks!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/17 20:35:25


Post by: pretre


Massive starter set update


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/22 13:14:28


Post by: pretre


Updated Hastings and Antipathy for release schedule and lizardmen. I'm out all this week and since Friday, so PM me if I'm missing any rumors that need to be in here and I'll get to them when I can.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/08/27 14:38:25


Post by: pretre


Added a bunch of Faeit, cylon's Dark Angel rumors and Stickmonkey's prediction for Chaos codex.

I was out for a week (8/18 to 8/26 or so), so please PM me if you have any rumors that I missed.


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Added Earlybird and Antipathy fantasy rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/04 14:40:21


Post by: pretre


Added cultist rumors from Faeit


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Added Chaos release rumors and HH rumors from Faeit212


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/04 19:22:55


Post by: Macok


As a rumour lurker I have to say: Pretre, this thread is good and you should feel good..


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/04 19:31:30


Post by: pretre


Thanks!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/05 14:31:09


Post by: pretre


Updated some Faeit release rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/06 14:59:13


Post by: pretre


Updated with Stickmonkey DA rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/10 06:22:03


Post by: Breotan


You need to update the rumors Stickymonkey put out regarding GW's digital products for August. I've put my comments in the original thread.

Also, you need to mark all the "And a few more WFB PENDING" as being too vague.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/10 13:23:29


Post by: pretre


Breotan,

We had already given him a date related false for the first batch since that was the crux of the first part of the rumor. As with most rumors, however, unless the date is integral, we don't count it as a false. So there's till a chance we will get these digital releases he mentioned and it will just be 'wrong date'. I completely agree with the TOO VAGUE entries though and updated them.

Thanks for the heads up!


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Updated all of the Faeit rumors, but allowed for a retraction of the garbage he posted that he said he disproved. I left it in there for historical (hysterical) purposes, but won't track it against him. I will track it though.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/13 13:38:08


Post by: pretre


Updated with more faeit rumors


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Added White Dwarf confirmation for Darnok.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/13 14:06:31


Post by: Charax


 pretre wrote:

Updated all of the Faeit rumors, but allowed for a retraction of the garbage he posted that he said he disproved. I left it in there for historical (hysterical) purposes, but won't track it against him. I will track it though.


Um...why? I don't see the logic in that. He posted them, they're rumours, they're (probably) false.

It rather defeats the point if people can just retract them and not be tracked for that - he chose to post any rumour that came his way, that comes with downsides


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/13 14:23:46


Post by: pretre


Charax wrote:
 pretre wrote:

Updated all of the Faeit rumors, but allowed for a retraction of the garbage he posted that he said he disproved. I left it in there for historical (hysterical) purposes, but won't track it against him. I will track it though.


Um...why? I don't see the logic in that. He posted them, they're rumours, they're (probably) false.

It rather defeats the point if people can just retract them and not be tracked for that - he chose to post any rumour that came his way, that comes with downsides


Yeah, I'm certainly open to feedback about it.

My thought was that he retracted them like the next day so they really didn't have a chance to last as rumors. Of course, if he had fact checked them or disproved them first, he wouldn't have posted them in the first place. You know what? You and I just convinced me, I think.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/13 16:42:06


Post by: wyomingfox


I think it is OK to retract as long as as you do it without provocation from another source and if it is done within a reasonable ammount of time (not months later).

It would have been something entirely if Naftka had retracted his statement after Harry or Hastings said it was rubbish. But Naftka retracted it without any apparent feedback from the online community.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/13 16:43:06


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I left a note on it. I kinda think he should be left on his record, but he did do it on his own. Dunno, we'll see if anyone else chirps in.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/17 14:46:01


Post by: pretre


Updated the early september chaos rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/18 13:22:00


Post by: pretre


Added Faeit chaos rumors and Stickmonkey DA



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Huge update based on WD leaks


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/19 02:32:46


Post by: Amaya


I loled when I saw Heresy Online's reliability.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/19 02:43:26


Post by: pretre


To be fair that is just one poster that I haven't been able to identify from Heresy Online. HO doesn't post rumors that I know of.


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More updates from WD pics.


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Added Bram's rumors. Although I may stop posting Chaos since we are in leak ville instead of rumor land now. We'll see.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 13:30:15


Post by: pretre


Updated author rumors for chaos.


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HUGE update from WD Scans.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 16:12:13


Post by: lord_blackfang


A few more Faeit clarifications:
The ramming Land Raider isn't happening (it would be on the summary sheet even if it has the same armour values)
Hades is 36" range but apart from that Faeit's profile was correct
Dragon HP/Armour he got right
Dark Apostles 3 per Elite slot is false, they are HQ
I don't think you can give a TRUE for Chosen Terminator Troops just yet!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 16:15:56


Post by: pretre


Awesome. I'll give him the Hades and I'm not sure how that Chosen one got marked true. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 16:55:52


Post by: Red Viper


Is it wrong that I can't wait for theDarkGenerals percentage to drop?

For some reason people seem to believe him on Warseer.

He tends to get obvious or vague rumors right but fails in anything detailed.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 16:56:25


Post by: pretre


He's at 50/50 right now which is pretty bad.


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Marked off most of the new units that have not been seen in any of the unit lists as well as the special characters. This means ghost21 got hit hard.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 17:49:26


Post by: Minx


Regarding ghost21:
I can't remember what he tried to tell us about the dark mechanicus and the Slaughterfiends.
Both rumours are marked as false but maybe he accidentally meant the warpsmith (together with all the daemon engines) and the maulerfiend respectively.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 17:55:03


Post by: pretre


Yeah, if someone can dig up the exact post that would be great.

Warseer rejects my registration saying they don't allow spammers, which is a pain in my arse.


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re: Dark Mechanicus:
ghost21: i did see a dark mechanicus guy...
razerz: As in rules, models or artwork? Or a combination thereof?
Ghost 21: a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece


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Aha, the slaughterfiend and a couple others were thedarkgeneral and not ghost. I moved them.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 19:19:30


Post by: lord_blackfang


Can I do my take on theDarkGeneral?

-that several special characters look to be getting varying levels of Eternal Warrior (1-3), including Abaddon, Kharn, Typhus and two more. PENDING
Well, varying levels of EW don't exist, they were entirely a Pancake edition thing

- Chain Axes. One being simply giving them Rending, the other being +1 Strength. PENDING
They exist, but are AP4 (confirmed on German summary sheet)

-Alpha Legion may be able to pass on their Infiltration abilities to their transports PENDING
Non-ability, everybody can do that in 6th

- "lots of "New" special characters ranging from bikers to (possibly) a dread and quite a few Terminator Armored ones" PENDING
False, nobody new on the summary sheet

-Thousand Sons Psyker Dreadnoughts, Flank Marching Alpha Legion Terminators and Iron Warriors Havocs with "Tank Busters" rule. PENDING

Negative on the Dreadnought, there is only the Helbrute and it has no such option

- *Thousand Sons: AP3 bolters will be MUCH more useful under 6th Edition, and a couple new Psychic abilities, one of which (supposedly) can remove an entire enemy squad from the table on a failed stat test! PENDING

The part that isn't uselessly vague is completely false. No stat-test powers in the codex at all.

- *Iron Warriors: Iron-Fire Cannon (thunder fire). Basic Chaos Marine squads "may" be able to take an additional heavy weapons team once past 10 models... PENDING

No Thunderfire equivalent in the Codex



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 19:23:08


Post by: pretre


Perfect. Updating now!


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Wow. 6 true, 20 false for TDG. I think a dart board has a better chance there.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 19:30:10


Post by: lord_blackfang


 pretre wrote:

Wow. 6 true, 20 false for TDG. I think a dart board has a better chance there.


Just wait till all his Legion-specific nonsense gets debunked. There must be another 10-15 misses there.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/20 19:39:45


Post by: pretre


Yep, he's going to end up in a pretty poor position. Until he claims there's another Legion codex coming out and that's what he was talking about.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/25 12:16:02


Post by: garrapignado


Some help:

BIG RED has only 1 FALSE (not 2). Also, Cultist units can be up to 35 miniatures. Picture: http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg


Faeit212:
Under CSM Q&A
You can mix/match Marks and Icons. TRUE. Pic shows marks and Icons with no restriction. Picture: http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg
CSM and Cultists are Troops TRUE. Shown in the pic above.
Daemon princes are jump if they have wings. FALSE, they are FMC. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/476112.page
Chaos Space Marine - 70 for 5, 14 for each additional marine. FALSE. 75 for 5, 13 each additional. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg
Aspiring Champion is a 10 point upgrade. FALSE. Included in points cost. Mutation is a 10 point upgrade to aspiring champion. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg
For every 5 models in the squad you get a special weapon. If the squad is 10 or more, one model can exchange a flamer(5 pts) for a Heavy Bolter, meltagun(10 points) for an Autocannon or Missile Launcher or a plasmagun(15 points) for a Lascannon. FALSE You get additional weapon if unit size is over 10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg
Marks range from 10-50 points, Icons range from 10-40 points. FALSE. Marks depends on unit size, Icons range from 10-30. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/03fdcd9f1d5f930fd727473134e05d6e_32389.jpg
Chaos Dragon (Fast Attack) The only flyer in the codex TRUE. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/5c21f69afb1749a69ca80a64b5ff5bc1_32389.jpg
New Siege Engine (heavy support) The siege engine has a melta blast template. FALSE No new vehicle, no melta blast weapon. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/5c21f69afb1749a69ca80a64b5ff5bc1_32389.jpg
No drop pods TRUE.

JARED VAN KELL:
Iron Warriors Honsou FALSE. Not in codex units list http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/9/24/5c21f69afb1749a69ca80a64b5ff5bc1_32389.jpg
Raptor Lord FALSE: Same as above.

THE DARK GENERAL:
30k Campaign in Summer of 2012 FALSE. Summer finished few days ago (Need picture? I don't think so).

Just what I could confirm through pictures. Hope this helps.

I can't believe this post doesn't get a sticky...



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/25 13:28:04


Post by: pretre


Awesome! Thanks for the help. I'll update the first post. I'm trying to track everything that has come in recently and it is rough. lol


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Btw, if anyone has a copy of the codex and wants to do some fact checking, that'd be great. The big ones are Tastytaste, Faeit, TheDarkGeneral.


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Massive update.
Thedarkgeneral now has the worst record, I think.


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Added Stickmonkey's DA force org.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/25 22:43:45


Post by: Darkseid


 pretre wrote:

Thedarkgeneral now has the worst record, I think.


Which makes this comment by him all the better!

theDarkGeneral wrote:Yup he/she is but if they followed my actual posts would realize that my info is NEVER finished product stuff and often varying stages of R&D. Most substantial projects take many twists and turns and often several re-writes. I'm still viewing some of the early 6th Edition rules leaks as alpha/beta tests and concepts. But many short sighted players want or assume everything anyone posts for rumors is printed gosspel awaiting revelation...lol!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/26 01:20:43


Post by: pretre


Didn't find the post he was responding to, but his post is pretty hilarious. He's so far off on his rumorsnthat unlessnthey release another separate legions codex he'll never be even close to accurate.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/26 13:20:01


Post by: AesSedai


Hi Pretre,

I was wondering how you approach the situation in which one poster posts a rumour and then later on another poster mentions the same rumour. Do both posters get credit or just the original poster?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/26 13:27:28


Post by: pretre


@AesSedai: I try to avoid pile-on rumors, but it is hard to tell sometimes. If someone brings them to my attention, I try to sort them out and change the second person to 'pile-on'. It also depends on context. Sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between multiple sources and piling on.


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Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/26 13:42:26


Post by: AesSedai


Just that now that we have the Dark Vengeance set out, I feel like because I posted the rumour that we would be getting a Chaos vs. DA box on 2011/09/30 (for some reason this thread says July 2012) anyone who hitched their wagon to that should have that stated next to their info.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/26 13:53:23


Post by: pretre


Ahh. Yeah, the dates for stuff are a little up in the air. I had to try to find them after the fact. I will put your date next to yours.

If you find later Chaos vs DA, let me know and I'll add pileon to them.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/27 23:37:50


Post by: Kroothawk


TheDarkGeneral - Total rumors: (9 TRUE) / (56 FALSE) / (18 PENDING)
Doesn't look too good for Warseer's main source on CSM rumours, does it?
So deleting the hell out of rumour threads is no guarantee for reliable rumour posting, it seems.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/09/28 01:46:07


Post by: pretre


yeah, he's Worse than ghost21. Vindications nice though, eh?


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added Stickmonkey's DA rumors


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Added Tasty's mysterious rumor about DA.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/01 13:57:11


Post by: pretre


Added Hastings WoC rumor


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Huge Stickmonkey updates from GK/Necrons/Eldar.


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Still contemplating speculation. Is there any way for us to know when someone is speculating and accurately code them? Should we code speculation differently? Something that came up in another thread.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/02 15:03:42


Post by: Minx


Found the following in the DA thread: " Snape missiles pretty much take you out immediately" posted by pretre. Don't know if this is already in the rumour list in the OP.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/02 15:14:57


Post by: pretre


Heh. We'd have to add the Slytherin heavy vehicle as well.


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All Chaos rumors that can be confirmed by the codex (i.e. not release rumors) have been updated.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/02 17:59:36


Post by: Slinky


Some of the TRUE entries for Hastings re CSM look a little dubious.

Obliterators dual kit with Mauler (CC) Oblits TRUE


Isn't that false, since they are separate?

New csm marines (could be recut with added bits? Either way I didn't recognise them as current ones - but then again my 40k fu is weak!) TRUE


False, innit? Particularly in tandem with the other entry: "Chosen very nice too" as it shows it wasn't confused with the new DV chosen models.

Some odd walker thing TRUE


I don't believe we have seen any walker except the 2 new daemon engines, and they are covered by a different rumour in the same list: "Two deamonic Centauroid cannon things a bit iffy", so the above should be false, no?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/02 18:04:06


Post by: pretre


Are they separate? The oblits. My bad. I will update.

I figuerd he was talking about DV. I will dup the chosen one then.

I'm gonna too vague the odd walker since it is just too hard to tell what he is talking about.


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There. Updated one to pending (in case a new CSM kit comes out) and the walker to to vague. Also put the oblit dual to false.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/02 22:36:40


Post by: Minx


More food for your list: SM on tau


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/03 14:49:00


Post by: pretre


Added Stickmonkey's tau rumors.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/03 18:41:55


Post by: wyomingfox


 pretre wrote:
Added Hastings WoC rumor


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Huge Stickmonkey updates from GK/Necrons/Eldar.


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Still contemplating speculation. Is there any way for us to know when someone is speculating and accurately code them? Should we code speculation differently? Something that came up in another thread.


I personally ignore speculation entirely. It is just the rumor monger taking the evidence he has been given and stating "heah it could have this meaning", nothing really different than you or I taking a bit of rumor and running with it.

So whenever I see a sentence start out with "This is just me speculating,..." I just gloss over the statement and move on down the post.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/03 19:02:55


Post by: pretre


Hmm. I like that. I can try to leave them out entirely.

If anyone sees any that are pure speculation, let me know and we'll drop them out.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 10:41:44


Post by: Minx


I found a couple of wrong or at least debatable classifications for TastyTaste:

"Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods." - It's a d66 table with less than 60 results. So, the basic idea is correct, the details are not.

"That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two" - His description sounds like a free combination of the two, although four of the icons can only be used by the appropriate mark

" Princes do not make cults troops, but sorcerors do" - the first part is correct, the second is only correct for thousand sons

Edit: I would not change the overall accuracy result, since he got the basics right; maybe just a note next to the rumours. And a similar treatment for other slightly off rumours.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 13:19:49


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I gave those true because they were mostly true. I'll put notes.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:21:06


Post by: 75hastings69


To the OP, what do you hope to achieve by tracking rumour mongers posts and displaying for everyone anything they get wrong branding it FALSE in big red letters other than putting people off posting anything????

Why not contribute some rumours of your own, mind you as you've made such a piss poor job of tracking and reporting openly accessible written FACTS by each of the rumour mongers I doubt your posts would make for much reading! Lol

Try being supportive of those who go out on a limb to bring their fellow hobbyists exciting news and rumours, even if some do turn out to be wrong, rather than trying to put them off posting. I suggest that this, and other forums would be pretty boring if no one posted rumours!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:29:30


Post by: pretre


75hastings69 wrote:
To the OP, what do you hope to achieve by tracking rumour mongers posts and displaying for everyone anything they get wrong branding it FALSE in big red letters other than putting people off posting anything????

I hope to force the false rumor mongers like Ghost21 and TDG out of the rumor game and keep real rumor mongers like yourself or Stickmonkey in the game.

Why not contribute some rumours of your own, mind you as you've made such a piss poor job of tracking and reporting openly accessible written FACTS by each of the rumour mongers I doubt your posts would make for much reading! Lol

I have no rumors to contribute because I do not have any contacts in the know. Anything I created would be false because I would just be making it up. As for my tracking record, I work to keep the list as accurate as possible. I encourage anyone to let me know if I track something incorrectly so that I could fix it. If you see something that is incorrect about your, or anyone else's, record, please let me know and I will have it corrected.

Try being supportive of those who go out on a limb to bring their fellow hobbyists exciting news and rumours, even if some do turn out to be wrong, rather than trying to put them off posting. I suggest that this, and other forums would be pretty boring if no one posted rumours!

I am absolutely supportive of fellow hobbyists who bring exciting news and rumors. People who have a couple wrong over time but largely are correct have nothing to worry about. You, for example, are known for your good rumors and your record reflects that. Even Stickmonkey, who has a lower rating than yourself, has the same opinion on his record that I do, he predicts much further out than anyone else and this is reflected in his record.

TLDR: I am not supportive of people who make crap up to try to get page hits or internet fame. I am very supportive of rumor mongers who try to keep the community in the know.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:39:27


Post by: 75hastings69


I still think this thread will act as a deterrent to future posters and is in fact counter productive. I myself have finished with the hobby, and after LM next year (well a few bits more after too ) will also be finished posting rumours. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my posts, but you will put off rumour posters of the future if you are going to openly dissect and record everything they say.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:45:54


Post by: pretre


75hastings69 wrote:
I still think this thread will act as a deterrent to future posters and is in fact counter productive. I myself have finished with the hobby, and after LM next year (well a few bits more after too ) will also be finished posting rumours. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my posts, but you will put off rumour posters of the future if you are going to openly dissect and record everything they say.


Sorry to hear that you are leaving the hobby. Although I haven't directly interacted with you, I can say that you have had a big impact on the community through your rumors.

I don't think that it will put off rumor posters in the future who are legitimate in their posts. I think it may dissaude the garbage hit generators and internet celebs from putting out their crap, which I am fine with.

As for dissecting everything, we just made the decision not to track speculation based on some discussion, so people can be off the record whenever they want.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:56:09


Post by: 75hastings69


No problem, guess we'll just see who's right


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 19:59:19


Post by: pretre


hehe. Fair enough. Kind of off-topic, but why are you leaving the hobby?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 20:27:57


Post by: 75hastings69


I hate the quality & cost of finecrap, I hate that gw refuse to aknowledge the quality issues of finecrap, I hate that they've conned people into thinking the flaws of finecrap are acceptable AND that they should part with extra £ to buy what are basically repair kits, I hate that the kits are getting more childlike (the new CSM kits are the best proof of this I could offer up), I hate the way they are putting aside all the things that for me made warhammer/w40k universes so appealing (I.e. the fluff) in favour of making a quick £ (I.e. soul grinder in fantasy, trying to get owners of any and every army to buy random monsters/daemons etc in storm of magic), but most of all I hate the way GW treat their customers they don't listen to any feedback and believe their own lies. I could go into more detail but I won't.

Whilst this is GWs downfall (for me) it's also made me realise other companies (now more than ever!) are offering excellent quality, value and good rule sets as well as working alongside the customer to provide the best service possible, this in my opinion is what the hobby should be like, a hobby should be fun, having to return a model 14 times and wait 4 months from initial purchase to get a usable product all because GW want to use the cheapest material and casting method possible but charge a premium product price is definately not fun.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 20:34:03


Post by: pretre


Understandable. Well thanks for the responses. I appreciate it.


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Massive formatting and cleanup update.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 21:10:56


Post by: Kroothawk


Hi Hastings,

I agree that it is difficult or even impossible to quantify the "credibility" of rumour mongers, but in my opinion this is not what the thread is about.

Nobody knows better than you that we currently have a flood of people who use the rumour blackout to flood forums like Warseer, Faeit 212 and Dakka with completely made-up stuff. Remember when you almost ragequit rumour posting because of ghost21 and then posted the content of the 40k starter? That is the main reason for this thread, to reveal impostors, not to piss off real rumour mongers. It is not about percentages but the general picture. And some impostors HAVE been revealed. While other lists are full of GREEN.

Real Rumour mongers are aware that they can't be always correct and accept that as part of the rumour business. If they are good, they themself make a short remark on the credibility of their rumours/sources. Rumour posting is not always appreciated by other posters, rumour mongers can be criticized harshly even when the rumours turn out to be true (see Harry with his White Lion Chariot). So you need a thick skin to keep on posting rumours. If a potential rumour poster is afraid that he might lower his percentage in this rumour tracking thread, he might not survive long anyways.

While the list is far from perfect, it is also nice to browse old rumours and see who predicted what. Helps people believe Tastytaste more even if they don't like his style, helps people take enough salt for posters with less perfect sources. Guess that is where this list will evolve in the long run.

Just my thoughts as a part time rumour monger and rumour collector.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 21:33:37


Post by: wyomingfox


Hello Hastings,

As someone who has also followed and compiled rumors for about 2 years now for a local website, I can also appreciate what pretre is trying to accomplish with this thread and how the project has adapted due to constructive critism from the community (both from rumor sources, rumor compilers, and the guys who simply enjoy reading rumor posts).

FWIW (and that is little I know), I have appreciated your contributions to the rumor world and wish you the best.



Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/04 23:35:58


Post by: pretre


As I have always said, I will take any and all feedback to improve the list. At its heart, the idea is to provide a resource to the community.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 13:21:39


Post by: pretre


So an idea that came up in a Warseer thread that discusses this thread.

What if we were to change to something like this?

pretre - Total rumors: (2 ACCURATE) / (2 INACCURATE) / (3 PARTIALLY ACCURATE/VAGUE)

It would change some of the accusatory language and allow us to separate out the rumors that are barely true or barely false into a separate category.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 13:27:55


Post by: Alpharius


I suppose that is the world we live in now...

Everyone gets a trophy!


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 13:30:12


Post by: kronk


 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose that is the world we live in now...

Everyone gets a trophy!


Everyone except you. You don't get a trophy.





Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 13:37:59


Post by: Alpharius


Having grown up in an age when everyone didn't, I'm more than OK with that.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 14:03:53


Post by: pretre


Whoops.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 15:05:01


Post by: Alpharius


I guess that's a fair enough compromise, and will help people avoid getting their feelings hurt too much.

I'd think they people really 'in the know' wouldn't care and the one's throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks might, but maybe that's too obvious?


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 15:07:26


Post by: pretre


Well, I might agree with that if not for the fact that people like Hastings are pretty upset about it and we know that he is reliable.

If I get time later today, I'll see if I can update it to reflect the changes.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 15:48:16


Post by: Revenent Reiko


Yeah, it seems like a fair compromise in the end, but it does have an air of 'making it pretty to keep the inmates happy' as it were

As said before (by yourself in fact), the tracking can be 'harsh', but that should not stop the regular, reliable rumour posters, but should help keep the others away...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 15:58:01


Post by: pretre


Yeah, a fair amount of compromise is probably inevitable.

Updated a traitor guard entry for Tasty to TRUE as I gave it to Stick. Under the new regime, this would be partially true.


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In other news, a conference call got cancelled today, so I may actually get around to updating the whole thing.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 16:40:38


Post by: reps0l


 pretre wrote:
In other news, a conference call got cancelled today, so I may actually get around to updating the whole thing.

Awesome. I hate it when work gets in the way of the important stuff too.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:09:18


Post by: pretre


Massively updated and now my brain hurts.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:23:15


Post by: RiTides


The changes look great to me.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:30:21


Post by: BladeWalker


Wow, that is very detailed and well managed... so many different rumor sources too. Some of the True to False ratios will be getting people laughed off the board any time the say anything now... lol. Good stuff, thanks for the hard work.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:33:53


Post by: pretre


 RiTides wrote:
The changes look great to me.

Thanks! Now, if anyone sees anything else I should update, just let me know.

@BladeWalker: Hopefully, we can discourage some of the pull-gak-out-of-their-butt posters this way.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:35:22


Post by: Revenent Reiko


I see a proof read in the making...maybe...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 17:41:21


Post by: pretre


I would appreciate it. I can only read through the list so many times before it all blends together.


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The Warseer thread is pretty good for showing me which things need to be updated though. I just have to look for the posts where they pick me apart. lol


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 18:35:08


Post by: Revenent Reiko


No worries, ill see what i can do...

Ouch, really? Bit harsh considering the work your putting in to it....saying that, is there a link so i can compare?

EDIT: nevermind, found it...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 19:09:56


Post by: pretre


Yeah, I have found out how much Warseer reallllly doesn't like me. There have been some good nuggets of ideas in there that I have already adopted though.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 19:18:56


Post by: wyomingfox


Well when it comes to rumors mongers, warseer can go from "though can do no wrong" to "stick boiling pitch up his crack" just as quickly as any other website I've visited. You should see some of the visceral hatred that got thrown at Stickmonkey in the past on that site...I mean, I know some of the dakka guys have called Stickmonkey some pretty unflattering names but I don't recall any of us threatening to do physical harm to the guy.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 19:33:26


Post by: Revenent Reiko


There is definitely a lot of 'but that means someone is actually checking what i saw!!' /whiny voice in that thread, but yeah, there are some kernels of good things...


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/05 21:02:57


Post by: pretre


Which is crazy, because Stickmonkey is fairly reliable. Not so sure about his recent DA stuff, but hey, it's probably pretty true based on past info.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/06 09:06:46


Post by: Kroothawk


 pretre wrote:
Yeah, I have found out how much Warseer reallllly doesn't like me.

No problem, Warseer doesn't like rumour mongers either, as I know from first hand experience
Ask Harry about the witch hunt when he cautiously proposed that High Elves will get a chariot drawn by white lions
Or when all 5th edition Tyranid Codex rumour threads were banned from Warseer because the existence of Tervigons and Tyrannofexes was considered laughable nonsense not worthy being posted on the respectable Warseer forum, even when confirmed by Phil Kelly.
Ex-moderator Avian is trolling Stickmonkey wherever he can.

So you are in good company


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/08 15:31:02


Post by: pretre


I tried to register again and even e-mailed the contact address but still no go. I figured I should probably jump in but alas no.

I wonder if the logan there is Logan from Faeit?


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Ugh. Word wrap fail. I think I fixed it all.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/08 20:25:57


Post by: Kroothawk


See, they really hate you
Try to register under an incognito then.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/08 20:32:30


Post by: pretre


I'm guessing it is the domain for my e-mail. I run my own domain and maybe that's what they are uppity about. I guess I should just make a fake e-mail address. Sigh.


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lol. Registered a new yahoo address and it still tells me I'm a spammer. Tried a different login name from pretre. Still tells me I'm a spammer. Seriously.


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Aha! It was my work's VPN IP address. They thought it was a spam IP or something. Logged out of VPN and bingo. I am now the proud owner of a warseer account.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/10 18:45:01


Post by: itsonlyme


 pretre wrote:
I tried to register again and even e-mailed the contact address but still no go. I figured I should probably jump in but alas no.

I wonder if the logan there is Logan from Faeit?


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Ugh. Word wrap fail. I think I fixed it all.


No he isn't


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/10 18:52:40


Post by: pretre


@itsonlyme: There goes that theory.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/11 09:33:52


Post by: Hercule Pyro


Despite all the griping, not to mention how some of them seem to act like they're far too cool for playing with plastic toy soldiers, by some of the posters over there, the man/robot/thing that runs/owns Warseer seems to approve. So that's nice.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/12 13:34:41


Post by: pretre


Well, the chilling effect that itsonlyme predicted over on Warseer hasn't happened yet. Two big adds from Stickmonkey.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/12 13:59:57


Post by: Revenent Reiko


Good to see that the rumours are still coming in then!

Apologies for not being able to have a look through yet, its my last week (and day now), so ive been a bit snowed under getting ready to move on Monday....ill see what i can do when im in the new role (may not have the same hidden PC that i have hetre, so maybe nothing during the day, but ill be able to do it when im at home...)


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/12 14:04:34


Post by: pretre


No worries.


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I wouldn't normally crosspost, but this goes to my motivations re: this endeavor. As background it is me responding to TDG on the Warseer thread re: this one.

theDarkGeneral;6464818 wrote:So we have people who are passionate about their particular hobby/gaming being affected by other posters rumored info because it's either news they want to hear or don't want to hear. Sounds a lot like NFL Football when I hear another one of my team's players is injured! LMAO!!!

Well written, but ultimately misses the mark. From what I can see, the idea you are getting at is that people track rumors because they are passionate and they are passionate because rumors are either news they want to hear or news they don't want to hear. I mark rumors that I dislike TRUE just as I mark rumors that I was pulling for FALSE. Really has little to do with it.

I am passionate because I enjoy the game of 40k and I enjoy the 40k communities that I participate in. I dislike seeing constant misinformation (unrelated to rumors) being spewed about and combat that a fair amount in other posting (Ex: People who post things like "OMG, Matt Ward ruined the SW Codex!"). When the same kind of garbage came up with rumors ("OMG, Stickmonkey is never right, why do we listen to him?") there were less facts available to point to and say "No, actually, he is right quite a bit." in the same way that I can point at the first page of Codex:SW and say "No, actually Ward didn't ruin this book." Hence, the tracker. Forcing false sources out of posting rumors (the thing that logan loves to harp on) is just a pleasant side effect of the process.

In the end some players see the accuracy charts as witch hunting, others as helpful, and yet still some could care less. I think the way that Warseer (and Harry in particular) has handled such info was much more proffesional and courteous then other sites. But again as another poster has already mentioned, if members feel they will be overly haggled for posts on potential rumor info they've heard from "a drinking buddy", "fork lift driver", "girl dating the garbage man", etc. we will more then likely see a large decline in rumors...this to me would be a loss to the community.

I think there's a sideways jab here, but htat's okay. If you feel that someone saying that your posts are true or false after the fact is overly haggling, then you might be a bit sensative. I highly value the people who bring us real information and doubt that folks who do bring real information are going to stop because of a list that says they are right most of the time.

Either way, great post TDG.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/13 17:36:23


Post by: Kroothawk


I don't think that after the flood of false rumours by ghost21 and TheDarkGeneral, we can experience a further decline of rumours. Maybe in number, but not in quality.


Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracking @ 2012/10/16 13:40:11


Post by: pretre


updated with Tau rumors from Antipathy.