CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway
No worries. I think you missed the fine print on the game that says:
"Purchaser of this game shall find themselves with more friends than they could ever hope to shake off of them and more persons of sexual interest than they could ever satisfy. Signed: Mike McVey"
So you got 'em waiting for you at the end of the KS tunnel.
woohooo i'll have to remember to wash all the paint off my hands from my furious strain painting if theres going to be a chance of boobies
Hellfury didn't clarify that the sexual interest will be coming entirely from other people that bought Sedition Wars. So, yes, there will be boobies...they may not be the boobies you are looking for however.
TheSecretSquig wrote:My ultimate wish list is some 3D plastic corridor and room terrain.
1,000 times this. There are tons of games (not the least of which is SW) that I'd be interested in using some nice plastic space terrain for, and, so far, it's all been too generic or too expensive...
I'd love seeing something like that. I believe this cardboard tiles are about 30cm x 30cm (12"x12"?). My idea is that it could be cool having 30cm x 30cm plastic tiles, one sided, with a slight relief. It might not need to be more than 1cm thick. It would have sculpted squares, holes in the sides for the doors, and some silghtly higher lines hinting the walls. Of course, they would need to be painted by the player.
And if different models were available separately, you could fill a 4'x4' or 6'x4' table for bigger games. Not only if the system grows to skirmish level wargame. Also, just ignoring the squares as they are a pattern of plates, they could be used for other games.
Hellfury wrote:Who's making a big deal out of anything?
Its a public forum for the sharing of opinions. As a backer I am sure as hell going to make my opinion known and could care less what anyone other than the producers of the game thinks of mine.
As for the terrain being available later: Proposed retail is $40. They are preordering at $30. Typically I can find gaming products online that retail for $40 discounted to $25ish. Way cheaper? Its only around $5, but I don't have to cough up the dough 9 months before the fact and several months after the game is released. Which to me is the big deal.
Gaming products at $40rrp down to $25? That seems almost unbelievable. Like, less than wholesale for a lot of stuff. Can you link a bunch of examples, I might buy some stuff myself.
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Hellfury wrote:
Jeez. I like the terrain. I am going to buy it. The only point of critique I have about it is that it is shipping 4 months after the release of the game.
I don't mind expansions coming later. But the terrain components I personally view as compulsory to the game. Sitting down to paint the game, then sitting down four months later to paint it again in the form of dorrs and whatnot is a pretty big turnoff for me. I like to get stuff over with instead of dragging it out when and where possible.
Well, the terrain components aren't "part of the game" or "compulsory" since it's a boardgame. They're something they thought would be cool (resin) extras to add in later - kinda like the way people make Hirst Arts Space Hulk boards. (and probably inspired by that, quite frankly). They're also my "maybe" purchase, depending on what I can afford, since I'll probably be able to get them for 17-20% off down the line. Making them go from $40 to $36 and hey, $12 more for a 6-month delay is no biggie, especially with money being tight right now. So yeah, I'd again love to see the places we might be able to get them for $25.
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Hulksmash wrote:I don't see it as nickel & diming personally. I see it as things that got added because they didn't think they'd hit this level. The additional models are neat addition but not required for the base game.
I do feel a bit like some posters feel entitled to free stuff just for what is basically pre-ordering. And not just free stuff, but tons and tons of free stuff. You're already getting nearly 1.5 boxes worth of mini's in 1. Isn't that enough?
Yeah, I'll agree with that. It's like some people choose the best/cheapest deal and then tack on an entitlement mentality that says "I should get everything they release from here on in for my $100." - and then get butthurt if they miss out on anything extra for free - even when the $100 is a brilliant deal.
Thunderfrog wrote:I don't think that understanding why people are making a big deal is beyond you, as you are one of the more intelligent posters on the forum.
Flattery, my dear frog, will get you everywhere.
Anyway...
Thunderfrog wrote:I think the sentiment that you are noticing but disagreeing with is that all these 10$ a pop stretch goals should be included in the Bioshock Level, not added on after the fact.
I don’t see why every stretch goal need to be included as ‘part of’ any particular pledge level. I don’t really have a problem with ‘optional extras’, and I have no issue with stretch goals getting tied to those optional extras.
For instance, I have no personal interest in the ‘After Dark’ packs with the clear heroes and glow-in-the-dark Strain models. When I saw a stretch goal centred around the glow-in-the-dark Strain I wasn’t angry, or annoyed or even slightly miffed by it. I shrugged my shoulders and just waited for the next one. My money was already pledged, so what did it matter to me? It’s not as if the presence of the ‘After Dark’ pack altered the initial Biohazard level I pledged for. If they'd turned around and said "The clear/glowy models are included in this pledge level, but because of that the pledge level is going up $20 so everyone has to up their pledges", then that'd be someting to get annoyed at. But they didn't do that. They kept 'em separate, and those who want to have them have the option. No one is forced into doing anything.
Given the responses in this thread though, it seems a lot of people do like the ‘After Dark’ pack, and have since purchased it. Good for them – more power to ‘em. So that extra glowy miniature stretch goal benefited them and their purchase and doesn’t directly benefit me or anyone else who has no interest in the ‘After Dark’ pack. So be it. Doesn’t seem like such a big deal to me. I see now issue with allowing them to be add-ons.
Thunderfrog wrote:Whether or not YOU think it should or shouldn't be added isn't going to stop other posters from complaining like they feel forced to keep throwing money at the kickstarter. (Again, whether or not they are being forced isn't the issue, it's that they feel like they are because they want the complete set of uniques.)
Nope. I’m calling bull gak on this one. ‘Forced’ to keep ‘throwing money’? Why? They don’t have to buy them. No one is forcing them to do anything. There’s no gun to their heads demanding that they pledge more so I don’t know how anyone can ‘feel’ as if they are being forced. They are optional. And if they want a complete set of ‘unique’ models then that’s their own issue.
Thunderfrog wrote:Now, you have to almost double that pledge to stay on top of all the extras.
Except you don’t. There’s nothing to stay ‘on top of’. Everything you’re saying here utterly reeks of entitlement.
Thunderfrog wrote:If they had told me upfront that in order to get all the extras I would need to drop a 200$ pledge instead I probably wouldn't have gone in at all.
What? You don’t ‘need’ to do anything. You pledge/buy what you want. Please present a compelling argument as to why everything should be included? And “I feel it should” isn’t good enough. When Zombicide went up it was a simple pledge for the “Game + Stretch-Goal Extras”. Then they added extra dice sets, a few extra character pieces, an additional tile-set... and something else... foam? Anyway, people didn’t seem to have an issue with that, and those that wanted it, bought it, and those that didn’t, didn’t.
My suggestion is that you cancel your pledge. Clearly you feel ‘hard done by’, for whatever imagined entitlement-riddled reason you’ve concocted in your head. Best to bug out now before you feel even more angry about extra products that the evil Mike McVey is ‘forcing’ you to buy.
Hellfury wrote:
While I am not a fan of pledging to the project in order unlock an option for that option to only be to buy more stuff, I think options that benefit everyone in the project like single sided maps or more online scenario content, etc. are better promotional incentives.
I agree with you to an extent, and that's why I talked about how much I liked the "out of the box" rewards such as the Painting DVD and the extra campaign. On the other hand, From the KS point of view, they're looking to attract more investment, and so the majority of people have already pledged and the pool of pledgees starts to wane at a certain point, with the exception of last-minute holdouts like myself. Given that, it's really difficult to increase funds in the middle part of the campaign, so optional extras are fine, the way I see it (trying to look at it fairly from both sides - producer and consumer).
CURNOW wrote:yeah i dont have anyone to play ,but getting it anyway
No worries. I think you missed the fine print on the game that says:
"Purchaser of this game shall find themselves with more friends than they could ever hope to shake off of them and more persons of sexual interest than they could ever satisfy. Signed: Mike McVey"
So you got 'em waiting for you at the end of the KS tunnel.
woohooo i'll have to remember to wash all the paint off my hands from my furious strain painting if theres going to be a chance of boobies
Hellfury didn't clarify that the sexual interest will be coming entirely from other people that bought Sedition Wars. So, yes, there will be boobies...they may not be the boobies you are looking for however.
ah will have to get the veet hair removel cream ready then lol
Hellfury wrote:Who's making a big deal out of anything?
Its a public forum for the sharing of opinions. As a backer I am sure as hell going to make my opinion known and could care less what anyone other than the producers of the game thinks of mine.
As for the terrain being available later: Proposed retail is $40. They are preordering at $30. Typically I can find gaming products online that retail for $40 discounted to $25ish. Way cheaper? Its only around $5, but I don't have to cough up the dough 9 months before the fact and several months after the game is released. Which to me is the big deal.
Gaming products at $40rrp down to $25? That seems almost unbelievable. Like, less than wholesale for a lot of stuff. Can you link a bunch of examples, I might buy some stuff myself.
Aye, to bring up my own comment earlier, while I am now presuming this original statement was hyperbole, on the off chance it wasn't, where are you seeing 40% off MSRP on gaming, Hellfury?
While the terrain is currently being offered at a mere 25% off MSRP (with free shipping!), I'll not turn my nose up at other things at 40% off...
Duncan_Idaho wrote:Generally I don´t have problems with discussing things. Where I start to get angry is when people say things are compulsory when they are clearly not and are getting personal, etc.
But what really causes me to get snappish is when I see people commenting that they will get stuff at rates that normally only LGS get when they buy such stuff. I do know people that do such deals and I am clearly no friend of them cause in the end they hurt everyone with this attitude. If they also show an attitude that says: "I am entiteld to all I want or else the other side is the bad guy" then I am normally hitting the ignore-button.
I agree with you on both the entitlement issue and "compulsory" point.
But if people can get things for cheap, then more power to them. I don't see how they hurt anyone with that attitude. You may as well try to have a go at all the people in Oceana and Japan who used to (or still do) "cheat" their FLGS and GW by purchasing from overseas (therefore buying things at close to the local wholesale). When you pay for other individual's hobby purchases is when you can be justified at telling that individual where to buy from and how much. Until then, it's none of your business.
I'm on the same boat as others who's gaming crowd won;t be hugely interested in Sedition Wars. But my theory is this:
To eliminate the sting of getting into this kickstarter so close to my wedding, I am selling off my copy of Space Hulk 3rd Ed., which I bought on a splurge when it came out but have never played, only opened and assembled. So if I get 100+ for my SH copy (which I very likely will) when I sell it on ebay right after the honeymoon and by then have spent about the same on SW, and play it even once or twice, I'm totally ahead of the game when it comes to my boardgame addiction, lol!
So for the same money in my house,
$100 Space Hulk, 0 plays per year< $100 Sedition Wars played even a couple of times per year with my buddy or (by then) wife.
Thunderfrog wrote:I don't think that understanding why people are making a big deal is beyond you, as you are one of the more intelligent posters on the forum.
Flattery, my dear frog, will get you everywhere.
Anyway...
Thunderfrog wrote:I think the sentiment that you are noticing but disagreeing with is that all these 10$ a pop stretch goals should be included in the Bioshock Level, not added on after the fact.
I don’t see why every stretch goal need to be included as ‘part of’ any particular pledge level. I don’t really have a problem with ‘optional extras’, and I have no issue with stretch goals getting tied to those optional extras.
For instance, I have no personal interest in the ‘After Dark’ packs with the clear heroes and glow-in-the-dark Strain models. When I saw a stretch goal centred around the glow-in-the-dark Strain I wasn’t angry, or annoyed or even slightly miffed by it. I shrugged my shoulders and just waited for the next one. My money was already pledged, so what did it matter to me? It’s not as if the presence of the ‘After Dark’ pack altered the initial Biohazard level I pledged for. If they'd turned around and said "The clear/glowy models are included in this pledge level, but because of that the pledge level is going up $20 so everyone has to up their pledges", then that'd be someting to get annoyed at. But they didn't do that. They kept 'em separate, and those who want to have them have the option. No one is forced into doing anything.
Given the responses in this thread though, it seems a lot of people do like the ‘After Dark’ pack, and have since purchased it. Good for them – more power to ‘em. So that extra glowy miniature stretch goal benefited them and their purchase and doesn’t directly benefit me or anyone else who has no interest in the ‘After Dark’ pack. So be it. Doesn’t seem like such a big deal to me. I see now issue with allowing them to be add-ons.
Thunderfrog wrote:Whether or not YOU think it should or shouldn't be added isn't going to stop other posters from complaining like they feel forced to keep throwing money at the kickstarter. (Again, whether or not they are being forced isn't the issue, it's that they feel like they are because they want the complete set of uniques.)
Nope. I’m calling bull gak on this one. ‘Forced’ to keep ‘throwing money’? Why? They don’t have to buy them. No one is forcing them to do anything. There’s no gun to their heads demanding that they pledge more so I don’t know how anyone can ‘feel’ as if they are being forced. They are optional. And if they want a complete set of ‘unique’ models then that’s their own issue.
Thunderfrog wrote:Now, you have to almost double that pledge to stay on top of all the extras.
Except you don’t. There’s nothing to stay ‘on top of’. Everything you’re saying here utterly reeks of entitlement.
Thunderfrog wrote:If they had told me upfront that in order to get all the extras I would need to drop a 200$ pledge instead I probably wouldn't have gone in at all.
What? You don’t ‘need’ to do anything. You pledge/buy what you want. Please present a compelling argument as to why everything should be included? And “I feel it should” isn’t good enough. When Zombicide went up it was a simple pledge for the “Game + Stretch-Goal Extras”. Then they added extra dice sets, a few extra character pieces, an additional tile-set... and something else... foam? Anyway, people didn’t seem to have an issue with that, and those that wanted it, bought it, and those that didn’t, didn’t.
My suggestion is that you cancel your pledge. Clearly you feel ‘hard done by’, for whatever imagined entitlement-riddled reason you’ve concocted in your head. Best to bug out now before you feel even more angry about extra products that the evil Mike McVey is ‘forcing’ you to buy.
Eh. I know when I'm in over my head and this is one of those times. Note that I can't really comment much on Zombiecide because I didn't track that particular game. Weve got 3 zombie board games at our FLGS and that genre is filled enough.
I suppose I should have pointed out that most of my post was intended to show the thought process behind those people whom are actually upset. I've got my 100 bucks in and I won't budge from it because that's the level I decided on. (Sadly, a large part of that decision came from not realizing that not-Isaac and not-Ripley would have stat cards. I am now reconsidering.) Point being I was doing my best to be vocal for the minority faction who are quickly swamped by a crowd of angry Dakkaites with very .. um.. A-Type personalities telling them how they don't know what they are talking about.
I think it mostly boils down to entitlement and wanting all the shinies and the dissapoint of assuming that your 100$ pledge was going to get you that. It's like... well.. I came up with a lot of similes here but they all involved strip clubs or hookers. So thank you very much but I'll keep my pledge where it's at. I was just trying to show you the side that "was completely beyond you."
@scipio
If someone sells 40% below SRP then normally only three things are possible:
> He´s an financial idiot and his shop will end up belly-up within a few months.
> Someone does have a traders account without being a trader (anymore) and still buys stuff at discounts he is no longer entiteld to.
> He sells at a slight loss / no loss to get rid of competition. This is only possible if he is one of the bigger shops and has enough funds coming elsewhere from.
40% is normally what shops get when they buy from games companies and sometimes even less. And normally selling at 40% involves the breaking of some contracts.
Get Niven for $10!This version of him will only be available during this Kickstarter and at conventions. We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! Expected to ship March 2013.
So, there will eventually be... another version of him?
Get Niven for $10!This version of him will only be available during this Kickstarter and at conventions. We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! Expected to ship March 2013.
So, there will eventually be... another version of him?
Yes as they said right afterwards " We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! "
This is suppose to be the only time that character is in the suit which fits in with the setting. After that the crazy bastard might be doing some other form of hazardous duty
This is suppose to be the only time that character is in the suit which fits in with the setting. After that the crazy bastard might be doing some other form of hazardous duty
I have a feeling he'll be in some sort of Firebrand uniform next time we see him. Yes, his background has him as Vanguard, but the concept is clearly labelled "Firebrand Engineer".
Ok the E-mail to say the stretch goal has been reached just arrived. The past few times it was followed by the new goal almost immediately.
EDIT: And no sooner had I finished posting that, it arrives:
Sedition Wars wrote:Update #35: More free stuff? Send the Cthonian... maybe that'll quiet em...
The Cthonian is such a cool model... but he's (it's?) a character right? You can only field one of him (it) right?
Every Biohazard set will get another Cthonian model free, as well as a stats card to play the model as a Construct Assault Drone, slaved to the Cthonian! He (it?) won't be as infectious or as smart, but he'll (it'll) be just a shooty!
The Cthonian is such a cool model... but he's (it's?) a character right? You can only field one of him (it) right?
Every Biohazard set will get another Cthonian model free, as well as a stats card to play the model as a Construct Assault Drone, slaved to the Cthonian! He (it?) won't be as infectious or as smart, but he'll (it'll) be just a shooty!
Sedition Wars wrote:Update #36: "I'm lost Lieutenant! Someone come get me!"
Reminder, you don't need this to play the game, but since some of you asked for it....
An extra set of every tile in the game. Since they are double sided, a 2nd set will allow you to lay out map with every single unique design! This pack is just for the really dedicated gamers/hobbyists out there and is not necessary to enjoy the Battle for Alabaster.
F**kin' A! Exactly what I wanted.
*adds $25 to pledge*
Look at those tiles!!! How awesome!!! I hope one of them is a bridge or control room or something. Thank you, thank you Mr. McVey. You've made one very happy gamer tonight.
I think I'm going to have to pass on the extra tiles since I'm already in for the Terrain, Ridley, Lights Out, and Banks past my Biohazard. $200 is where I'll have to draw the line, sadly.
However YES 2ND CTHONIAN. I've only wanted it since the beginning.
kenshin620 wrote:I do like how they justify having two of the same character at the same time.
Indeed. I think I may have to name my Cthonian "Prime" Starscream. Cloning scheming lackeys from himself seems to be his new "thing" and it totally fits the Cthonian now.
I'm really hoping after this for strain versions of the current characters and for more promo figures. I'm in the camp that loves the idea of promo figures.
But this is a fun, solid stretch and the second set of tiles is definitely something people have been clamoring for. Me, I'd rather just buy a second box set at that point
Ooooo darmit. Now it's hit that point where I need to decide... Lights out pack and the floor tiles, or spend that extra $25 and get a second Biohazard level and just paint some of the mountain of extra models as camo/irradiated instead
I'm still staying with Biohazard .. Might add ripley later, but the regular $100 is still hella good on it's own. Extra tiles are tempting, but I'd rather start playing the game first before I decide if I'll ever even need em..
Oh, there's a note on Kickstarter about what the different tiles are. In the base game we get
Cargo Bay
Engine control
Catwalks
Reactor Core
Personnel area
Living quarters
Control centre
Science Bay
Transit Station
Escape Pods
In addition to this, we also get two transit car tiles that are smaller, which makes me wonder if they sit on the Transit Station tile tracks, or if they represent a special level.
There's also confirmation that one terrain set and the boards from the box are enough to run all of the campaigns and they don't intend to make you buy extras in any campaign. The option for the extra boards etc. are purely there for board-junkies like H.B.M.C and me
Platuan4th wrote:I think I'm going to have to pass on the extra tiles since I'm already in for the Terrain, Ridley, Lights Out, and Banks past my Biohazard. $200 is where I'll have to draw the line, sadly.
However YES 2ND CTHONIAN. I've only wanted it since the beginning.
That is why I went with the 2nd complete set. I get extra dice, 80 more miniatures, and another set of boards. Seems the cheaper way to get things. I don't get the terrain but I can just get that later. I thought about the lights out but the models are per guy more expensive and I get less of them.
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endtransmission wrote:Ooooo darmit. Now it's hit that point where I need to decide... Lights out pack and the floor tiles, or spend that extra $25 and get a second Biohazard level and just paint some of the mountain of extra models as camo/irradiated instead
extra set..... you need the extra set...... you want the extra set......
Platuan4th wrote:I think I'm going to have to pass on the extra tiles since I'm already in for the Terrain, Ridley, Lights Out, and Banks past my Biohazard. $200 is where I'll have to draw the line, sadly.
However YES 2ND CTHONIAN. I've only wanted it since the beginning.
That is why I went with the 2nd complete set. I get extra dice, 80 more miniatures, and another set of boards. Seems the cheaper way to get things. I don't get the terrain but I can just get that later. I thought about the lights out but the models are per guy more expensive and I get less of them.
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm a sucker for gimmicky models. Also, don't need a second set of rules, I've had it confirmed that another member of my group is getting a Biohazard set, too.
Guess if we need the room, we'll combine our tiles.
Am having second thoughts on the terrain, though that would be just to save some money right now. Would still buy it later when it came out.
brettz123 wrote:
That is why I went with the 2nd complete set. I get extra dice, 80 more miniatures, and another set of boards. Seems the cheaper way to get things. I don't get the terrain but I can just get that later. I thought about the lights out but the models are per guy more expensive and I get less of them.
Yea I must admit if you're getting Light Out just for the figures and you're getting the extra tiles, maybe it'll be better to get x2 biohazards
I think plenty of peeps also jumped onto Biohazard after they published that picture showing what you get. I know I got sucked in when Zombicide did that.
BrookM wrote:I think plenty of peeps also jumped onto Biohazard after they published that picture showing what you get. I know I got sucked in when Zombicide did that.
Regarding getting games later cheaper CMON posted something interesting:
CMoN said on BGG:
Note: The Zombicide pre-order offers you're seeing are unlikely to be filled, at least at the pricing they're being offered at. Why? Because Zombicide is in short supply, we're allocating units, and we have a minimum advertised price policy. Breaching that means the stores in question won't be getting any. So, caveat emptor, especially on pre-orders from unauthorized sources.
Duncan_Idaho wrote:Regarding getting games later cheaper CMON posted something interesting:
CMoN said on BGG:
Note: The Zombicide pre-order offers you're seeing are unlikely to be filled, at least at the pricing they're being offered at. Why? Because Zombicide is in short supply, we're allocating units, and we have a minimum advertised price policy. Breaching that means the stores in question won't be getting any. So, caveat emptor, especially on pre-orders from unauthorized sources.
What does that mean? Is CMoN accusing Zombicide of fraud, of making a preorder offer they can't keep? Will that affect the kickstarter orders of Zombicide?
Edit: Seems some stores make offers they can't keep, not Zombicide.
Kroothawk wrote:What does that mean? Is CMoN accusing Zombicide of fraud, of making a preorder offer they can't keep? Will that affect the kickstarter orders of Zombicide?
...Zombicide's a product, not a retailer. They appear to be saying that CMoN will not sell Zombicide to any third party retailer that sells below RRP.
Kanluwen wrote:Are those Opticamo figures going to be available outside of this?
Because I frickin' love those.
I believe it's been stated that you'll be able to get them from events only (after this), though you could get them through kickstarter if you donate $31, I believe ($1 + $30 addition)?
Kanluwen wrote:Are those Opticamo figures going to be available outside of this?
Because I frickin' love those.
I believe it's been stated that you'll be able to get them from events only (after this), though you could get them through kickstarter if you donate $31, I believe ($1 + $30 addition)?
Kanluwen wrote:Are those Opticamo figures going to be available outside of this?
Because I frickin' love those.
I believe it's been stated that you'll be able to get them from events only (after this), though you could get them through kickstarter if you donate $31, I believe ($1 + $30 addition)?
I'd like to see the Opticamo and Glow extended to all of the other figures as well. Though they've shown a number of the human character models, the written listing doesn't show them, and no sign of the infected. The Lights Out pack is something I'm umming and ahhing on, but I reckon including the rest of the figures in them would do it for sure - notsomuch in terms of wanting more stuff for my money, but in terms of a fully cohesive (cloaked or radioactive) force.
Get Niven for $10!This version of him will only be available during this Kickstarter and at conventions. We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! Expected to ship March 2013.
So, there will eventually be... another version of him?
Yes as they said right afterwards " We have big plans for the character though, expect to see more of him later! "
Maybe we'll get to see his face?
Hulksmash wrote:@Alpharius
This is suppose to be the only time that character is in the suit which fits in with the setting. After that the crazy bastard might be doing some other form of hazardous duty
oooh... I'd like to see him wearing this Hazard Suit.
Project Update #38: She just needs to know where they are...
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
You rang for more characters?
Sergeant Ramirez is as tough as they come, and an ace with the Reaver support weapon! Laying down accurate and thunderous suppressing fire is a specialty. Just don't talk back to the sarge! Enlist her for $10. Ships March 2013.
If we hit this goal, it looks like Ramirez didn't quite detonate that grenade in time. Get a free Strain version of Ramirez with every Ramirez! Ships together with the Sarge in March 2013.
Looks like they added in Vasquez, over all the other characters people have been asking for. Did we REALLY need a normal marine girl again.... seriously...
IdentifyZero wrote: Looks like they added in Vasquez, over all the other characters people have been asking for. Did we REALLY need a normal marine girl again.... seriously...
They gotta have something for the last day goals lol
BrookM wrote:Hey girl, don't go dissing Vasquez now!
Not, they already did Ripley... we already have a crapload of female vanguard. They could have done a concept art/sketch/design for one of the other dozens of fitting characters we have been asking for. Look at it this way...
If they keep adding in Aliens personalities from those movies (1 was enough) it just further ruins any serious nature that the story and project has. Ripley was cool, I could see why they did it, since they draw some inspiration from Aliens but once you start putting in the entire cast of Aliens.. well, you're just a repackaged Aliens game with some different enemies.
I've pledged two boxes, both characters, lights out but this is something I may actually skip on. :( Another 2013 figure to.......
Come on Mike, stop with these lackluster additions and give us the crap we really want, like LE Kara with Heavy weapons in sedition wars format. For the love of god man, you have a creativity studio and team; stop acting like this is zombiecide and essentially just ripping off characters from other settings. It's nostalgic once or twice, then it starts to show a lack of creativity and ingenuity.
I thought Sedition Wars was a fairly polished and original Universe the first time Mike McVey introduced it to me through his miniatures range, the further this kickstarter goes, the more I go W T F.
Seriously, is this Zombiecide or is this an original sci-fi creation that can stand on its own legs without characters from established IPs drawing people in?
Edit:
I'll rephrase that: I would like Ramirez and (Opticamo?) Kara, Akosha and a squad of female Samaritans, but can't buy these without buying the whole game. Assuming CMoN doesn't add a bunch of Vanguard stuff to the box in the next ten days to make me change my mind, would any Australians be interested in helping out?
"This is the first additional character I'm meh about. And I'm also meh that's it's a 30k stretch goal. Ripley as a 20k stretch goal went fast because she also had the terrain pack. I can't be sure but I think the 30k Nevin Banks might have been one of the slower goals made. And now we have a second character from Aliens that while a relatively cool character isn't even on top (or on it at all) of most people's list. I'm just a little underwhelmed...."
Me personally I would have preferred a Predator, Pitch Black, or Stargate nod over another Aliens nod....
The stretches are becoming a little bit more sparse as time goes on it's true... but, is this not what usually happens though? Such as with Zombiecide? Not implying, baiting or trying to start any kind of argument, just a genuine question btwlol!
Yeah, things generally get more sparse or at least they seem that way because of the huge surge at the end so there aren't that many extra goals set during the last big push. My issue is that it's another 30k stretch goal for a single miniature that they did for 20k earlier in the kickstart.
For me, at this point, I'd put up all my stretch goals up to probably 550k (or so) along with any additional purchase items. The 550k goal should be a free biohazard level item with the promise of a crazy awesome one at like 700k which they could release either when 550 is reached or with 3 days to go.
Granted, what do I know though. I'm in insurance, not advertising
I love Studio McVey and SW but this was just disappointing to me as I said. I didn't even realize they made it a higher stretch goal than a more popular character which included a $30 extra to bump it up.
The Engineer dude has been the slowest portion of the Kickstarter, sure most of you noticed the lack of posts to this topic since it was introduced.
That's why I think they should just put out a fair number of characters that they think they can produce as nods and incorporate them into the game even as one-offs (i.e. non-cannon characters). It can encourage others into the game. I'd also start selling them as extra's but at $15-20 a pop with a purchase limit of 1 without the boxset.
Which will be awesome. I'm telling you, a Master Chief or space version of Ash (since who doesn't love a dude with a "power-saw" for a hand) would be amazing. And they would also probably cause some of the people to have a stroke
I like the extra characters, don't mind that they're based on movies .. it's not like tyranids or necrons are original either...
But at this point for me, cash is just too tight .. even though it's just $10 here and $10 there, it adds up quick. Already not sure I can afford this and 40K6th too.. and 40K is higher on my want list just cuz that's what the gang all plays
I am also quite interested in the characters. I will probably be looking to keep the strain models and Vanguard Characters, the regular Vanguard are not bad but for a painter, they are a lot of tedious work while the strain is a ton of work, but offers a lot of variety and techniques to use. Hell... it will probably just end up on a shelf with everything else, but I can't resist the character dual packs... 10 bucks for 2 Studio Mcvey resin minis will always be stretch goal I can't resist, especially when those stretch goals are strain!
I would, however, love to see more expressly strain designed characters...
MajorTom11 wrote:Show not-vasquez the respect she deserves!
lol
The stretches are becoming a little bit more sparse as time goes on it's true... but, is this not what usually happens though? Such as with Zombiecide? Not implying, baiting or trying to start any kind of argument, just a genuine question btwlol!
You dissing alien characters?
Look into my eye.
Seriously, I'm on the fence--on one hand, it's a pretty gorgeous looking game. On the other, I have trouble fitting one game a week into my time now--it would likely collect dust.
BrookM wrote:Hey girl, don't go dissing Vasquez now!
Not, they already did Ripley... we already have a crapload of female vanguard. They could have done a concept art/sketch/design for one of the other dozens of fitting characters we have been asking for. Look at it this way...
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I've pledged two boxes, both characters, lights out but this is something I may actually skip on. :( Another 2013 figure to.......
Come on Mike, stop with these lackluster additions and give us the crap we really want, like LE Kara with Heavy weapons in sedition wars format. For the love of god man, you have a creativity studio and team; stop acting like this is zombiecide and essentially just ripping off characters from other settings. It's nostalgic once or twice, then it starts to show a lack of creativity and ingenuity.
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It's always interesting to read other people's comments and realize there are folks out there with precisely the polar opposite of my own opinoin. I could not disagree more with your points: This sculpt looks amazing to me, and I'm incredibly interested in having it. I might just get more then one, honestly.
Also, it's important to realize one reason they are free to include "one-off" characters like this is precisely because people don't feel they need them. If there were persistent versions of reappearing characters, people might get offended when they discover, months down the line, that they missed out on such a thing.
Missing a spoof character based on Aliens? Doubtful they will care.
Missing a "better" (because there will always be someone that thinks the limited edition is better) main character? That's annoying.
BrookM wrote:Hey girl, don't go dissing Vasquez now!
Not, they already did Ripley... we already have a crapload of female vanguard. They could have done a concept art/sketch/design for one of the other dozens of fitting characters we have been asking for. Look at it this way...
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I've pledged two boxes, both characters, lights out but this is something I may actually skip on. :( Another 2013 figure to.......
Come on Mike, stop with these lackluster additions and give us the crap we really want, like LE Kara with Heavy weapons in sedition wars format. For the love of god man, you have a creativity studio and team; stop acting like this is zombiecide and essentially just ripping off characters from other settings. It's nostalgic once or twice, then it starts to show a lack of creativity and ingenuity.
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It's always interesting to read other people's comments and realize there are folks out there with precisely the polar opposite of my own opinoin. I could not disagree more with your points: This sculpt looks amazing to me, and I'm incredibly interested in having it. I might just get more then one, honestly.
You've seen the SCULPT of this miniature already? How? From what I can know, the concept art was recently done for Kickstarter and there will not be a sculpt for quite some time; which is why it is coming in 2013.
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MajorTom11 wrote:I am also quite interested in the characters. I will probably be looking to keep the strain models and Vanguard Characters, the regular Vanguard are not bad but for a painter, they are a lot of tedious work while the strain is a ton of work, but offers a lot of variety and techniques to use. Hell... it will probably just end up on a shelf with everything else, but I can't resist the character dual packs... 10 bucks for 2 Studio Mcvey resin minis will always be stretch goal I can't resist, especially when those stretch goals are strain!
I would, however, love to see more expressly strain designed characters...
Tom, you are actually right... I did not think that they could be resin. IF they are resin, then that does make the value worth it even if the choice of figure is meh. I've purchased quite a bit from SM and frankly, under 10 figures come um to more than the cost of SW right now basically. So $10 for 2 resin figures would be amazing. If they are plastic, this might be the first I pass on. :(
I may be totally off about them being resin, it was just an assumption on my part, just fyi! I figured for one off characters though, especially as they are being sold single (at least here), that it must be resin (I don't think SM has done metals?).
@AoE
There was no sarcasm lol, Show Vasquez the respect she deserves!!! I will take no besmirching of Aliens in my presence lol.
It's supposed to be that restic stuff. Like the material Privateer press uses for it's plastics. At least that's what was noted. This allows them to not have to do the massively expensive full plastic molds that cost so much.
To be honest though, I would've loved to see a young Kara (the one done as a limited resin release a year ago, with the big lead belcher), though Vasquez is also a good pick.
Studio McVey rocks. I used a bunch of their minis for conversions for my IG, Sisters and GK armies.
The basic Vanguard look great for basis for IG drop troops.
MajorTom11 wrote:I may be totally off about them being resin, it was just an assumption on my part, just fyi! I figured for one off characters though, especially as they are being sold single (at least here), that it must be resin (I don't think SM has done metals?).
@AoE
There was no sarcasm lol, Show Vasquez the respect she deserves!!! I will take no besmirching of Aliens in my presence lol.
They do metals. I own the entire Vanguard range and some Firebrand in metal.
NAVARRO wrote:And for me the characters alone are luring me to buy the full game.
I'm with Navarro the characters are cool. Plus you get an infected version. Love it.
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Hulksmash wrote:@Navarro
That's why I think they should just put out a fair number of characters that they think they can produce as nods and incorporate them into the game even as one-offs (i.e. non-cannon characters). It can encourage others into the game. I'd also start selling them as extra's but at $15-20 a pop with a purchase limit of 1 without the boxset.
Well supposedly they will come with rules so they will be part of the game which is good.
I meant that they aren't going to extend beyond this game or exist in the universe outside of it (i.e. non-cannon). I think with the exception of the Nevin Banks this is the case. And that "homage" model is just the normal character they have dressed in the special suit so he'll never look that way again.
So why not put up a few of them and drum up more cash. And allow the singles to be purchased at double cost if they don't pledge biohazard or higher.
IdentifyZero wrote:You've seen the SCULPT of this miniature already? How? From what I can know, the concept art was recently done for Kickstarter and there will not be a sculpt for quite some time; which is why it is coming in 2013.
Yes, clearly I am privy to this information. How did I find it? That's a tale for another time my boy....
Quick! Let's all complain about a model we don't have to buy and that doesn't affect the pledges we've already made!
Personally I would have preferred Drake, but you can't win 'em all. But yeah, I'd like some more obscure references. The Dead Space reference was good, because it's not covering ground that's as well tread as Aliens. As was said on the last page things like Pitch Black and Stargate would be good for reference points.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Quick! Let's all complain about a model we don't have to buy and that doesn't affect the pledges we've already made!
Personally I would have preferred Drake, but you can't win 'em all. But yeah, I'd like some more obscure references. The Dead Space reference was good, because it's not covering ground that's as well tread as Aliens. As was said on the last page things like Pitch Black and Stargate would be good for reference points.
Oooh man, Pitch Black... So many possibilities there.
And yeah, it's almost as if some folks are complaining for the sake of complaining, isn't it?
I'm wracking my brain for something that might work... a Strain-like Kull Warrior? A Firebrand who left the rebellion and joined the Vanguard (ie. Teal'c). I dunno...
Well let's see....It's a nano virus so pretty much anyone but Teal'c for this starter (he could be a firebrand expansion promo). Daniel Jackson would be a bit of a stretch for this game in particular since his skill set doesn't really work in the setting (though he'd also probably fit in better w/Firebrand).
But Carter or Oneal would work just fine. Carter because she's also a super genius and was always dealing with technology/disease threats on the show and could easily slot in as a Vanguard Science officer/communications & computer security from Kara's ships/units. And Oneal's pretty obviously an easy hero for this kind of thing, maybe the surviving senior officer for station security?
Yeah but it's another female character in a game that seems to have more of them then it does male characters (did something change in human genetics in the future? Are men more rare?).
I'm wracking my brain for something that might work... a Strain-like Kull Warrior? A Firebrand who left the rebellion and joined the Vanguard (ie. Teal'c). I dunno...
Personally I would really like to see an alternative sculpt for the Scythe Witch; a lot of possibilities in that one...
If you wanted to link it to Stargate you could have Strain with, perhaps, the Horus Ra heads.
HBMC, you make an excellent point about the (relative) paucity of named male figures, although I might counter only that well sculpted female minis (which I would say the ones we're getting here are) seem to generate a more... intense response then correspondingly well sculpted males, especially males in power armor. Perhaps if only because in the overall hobby, there simply isn't the unfilled demand.
Just my thoughts though: for all I know, McVey is getting a lot of emails on this, or has his own fan ideas, or owes people money...
I like the not-Vasquez because it's a cool model and she has a big gun (don't go all Freudian on me now!!!). I would have like it just as much if it had been not-Drake.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I like the not-Vasquez because it's a cool model and she has a big gun (don't go all Freudian on me now!!!). I would have like it just as much if it had been not-Drake.
In fairness though, you are a man of exceptionally refined tastes.
That aside, I'm counting the characters, and I think I'm loosing track;
Everyone gets;
Kara
Morgan
Akosha
Barker Zosa
Grendlr
Cthonian
If you are Biohazard, you also get;
Kara LE,
Grendlr, (double)
Cthonian (double)
And any backer can buy;
Dr Susan Ridley ($10)
Niven Banks ($10)
Sergeant Ramirez ($10)
I was checking the updates, and I'm not sure if I missed it, but what are the additional price characters cast in? Resin?
I'm kinda underwhelmed about not-Vasques. From a purely model standpoint, it's cool to see a female Reaver-carrying trooper when the ones in the game are all the same male version, but without some special rules it's another model of which the game is shipping with several of, especially with the 12 additional troopers.
I personaly would buy the first two additional figures much sooner than this latest one.
As I want fun gameplay over fan-service would really love to see the rules they are applying to these new additional models, because that could better enable me to decide.
Hulksmash wrote:Well let's see....It's a nano virus so pretty much anyone but Teal'c for this starter (he could be a firebrand expansion promo). Daniel Jackson would be a bit of a stretch for this game in particular since his skill set doesn't really work in the setting (though he'd also probably fit in better w/Firebrand).
But Carter or Oneal would work just fine. Carter because she's also a super genius and was always dealing with technology/disease threats on the show and could easily slot in as a Vanguard Science officer/communications & computer security from Kara's ships/units. And Oneal's pretty obviously an easy hero for this kind of thing, maybe the surviving senior officer for station security?
I'd prefer McKay or Sheppard, personally. Ronan would be a good fit, too.
Or go all out and give us Thor and some replicators.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but it's another female character in a game that seems to have more of them then it does male characters (did something change in human genetics in the future? Are men more rare?).
Yup! So we need some House Escher referenced figs...
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but it's another female character in a game that seems to have more of them then it does male characters (did something change in human genetics in the future? Are men more rare?).
While I would be tempted to get the not-Vasques figure, at the very least to have an alt Reaver trooper, I think Ridley has the best versions of both normal and infected sculpts. Of the three so far, I could best see her infected sculpt hitting my table as a Strain character. The other two are too "zombie" for me, and look like characterful but still-generic type 1's.
I love how Ridley's infected form has the rifle integrated into the arm, not to mention the girl leering out of the chest. That figure as a whole just screams "wrong" to me, in the best possible way. While I would rather have the kid not exist on her normal figure, I'm happy with it because it justifies one of the best qualities of the Stain version.
I would love to see Jane with knit cap and Vera. He really would fit in blazing his way through the station. Though I still haven´t worked out how to make the knit cap work visually on a Strain version...
Mick McVey wrote:Update #39: Two places at once!
Cthonian Assault Drone unlocked!
Every Biohazard set will get another Cthonian model free, as well as a stats card to play the model as a Construct Assault Drone, slaved to the Cthonian! He (it?) won't be as infectious or as smart, but he'll (it'll) be just as shooty!
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Aliens Homage (which I'm really excited about) for the win! Fielding just 2 Characters from the film just isn't on! We need a:
Private Hudson "Its Game Over Man, Game Over. What the 'BLEEP' are we gona do now, whatarewe gona do now?"
Sgt Apone "It's another glorious day in the Corps. A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm: Every meal's a banquet. Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation's a parade! I LOVE the Corps!."
Corporal Hicks "All right. We take off. Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
Private Drake "They aint payin us enough for this man.."
Think of the possibilities in gameplay, the 5 special Vangaurd Marines tasked with extracting the valuable Dr Ridley from the facility.
Even before the Studio released the 'Ridley' figure, I'd decided that my Vangaurd would be painted up as Colonial Marines from Aliens. Its just a too cool homeage not to. I know there is a set of the Marine models from the film out there, but it would be cool if we could get them from McVey with stat cards. Please!
Up to $366k. A shame in a way, since the last goal was $360 and we don't have a new one yet. It all but guarantees a larger stretch before the next goal (is $400k rather than $390k). I wish they'd put two up at a time.
well its taking roughly 14k a day atm with 9 days left and from other projects you see an increase in the last few days so im guessing high 400's maybe even 500k
Zombicide made 390K in its last three days. Take that away from the 700K it made and tha tmeans that in 30 days it made 300K+/-. For this to make an average of high 400K/low 500K without a surge is pretty impressive.
Don't know, seems like it took ~24 hours to make 10k. I'm sure a few johnny-come-latelies will join at the last minute but 500K seems high. But like I said I hope it does!
Need more interesting goals to get a surge up, though. And I say this as someone who will buy 2 of Vasquez. I really think 2 at a time is the way to go at the moment (with 9 days to go) - get people excited about the following ones if the closer one is less exciting to individuals.
If it gets a surge like zombicide did(a surge I intend to contribute to) then I think it'll hit 500k for sure.
Edit: I know this has been posted already, but...well, we know how that goes
All Kicktraq does (more or less) is take the average per day to date and then multiply that by the days left so while it is helpful and interesting, it isn't all that helpful or interesting.
Good stretch goals will spike that thing like nobody's business!
Well that's Forecasting 101 there Alpha - you base what you're going to get on historical averages. Any future events would be then factored into that forecast, but as we don't know what those events are (only the people making the game do) they cannot be factored in yet, thus we can only go on the base average per day and extrapolate from there.
You cannot criticise an automatic forecasting tool for being unable to incorporate unknowns into its running total. It's not designed that way, and as these stretch goals are uncontrollable and not based on any pattern, they cannot be factored in.
Hulksmash wrote:If you hit the experimental ones it's a little better. It's the little pie symbol on the bottom left of the last chart.
Wow, that is way better. Kicktraq has been bothering me, too, because they always seem to be low (not taking into account the usual last-minute surge, and projects gaining momentum kind of like compound interest).
That shows the predicted range to be a low of $466,887 and a high of $644,215. Sounds a lot more likely... not sure why the standard graph would be so far on the low end of that range, unless it's just not incorporating any of the features of the experimental (and thus completely unrelated).
I think one is a baseline average while the other takes into account the percentage of increase over a number of recent days to project potential growth. Not 100% sure though
Zombicide took 23 days to hit $200K and 26 days to hit $300K. Sedition Wars hit $200K in 16 days and $300K in 18 days.
Sedition Wars did $32K the first day and did $32K on about day 15. Zombicide first did $32K only in the last week.
Zombicide added 3405 backers after it hit $300K.
Sedition Wars could go as high as Zombicide if the end push is similar. What kids of stuff did Zombicide offer in the last 6 says or so?
tim
xole wrote:For accurate, non-memory based interpretations of how a kickstarter has done so far, here is the kickstarter tracker link
I didn't actually post it to see "where we're going" so much as "how things have done so far" after I saw people commenting on how they thought Sedition Wars made X amount of money per day when they made Y Stretch Goal. Seeing how zombicide went, a lot of crazy things are possible.
At this moment Sedition Wars has the same number of stretch goals as Zombicide had at 17. Zombicides last 7 were for their pop culture reference characters, going from $200k and up. Chuck Norris was the 290k to 340k one.
One thing worth noting is that they racked up an additional $80k past their last stretch goal.
For me at least, Sedition Wars scratches a sci-fi horror itch I've had for quite some time. I wonder how many people feel the same. Things could get pretty interesting.
endtransmission wrote:Zombicide also had the battlefoam trays, which would have quickly bulked up the donations
I hope that Sedition Wars comes out with them too, so that other people can buy them and raise some more stretch goals. I'm afraid I'm personally not interested in foam for this game.
Kikctraq is not designed to show projections, only trends.
If you read the FAQ on their page, it says as much.
Providing data is the primary purpose of their site, not attempting to provide any kind of logic to kickstarter patterns, which are, to be quite honest, completely and utterly chaotic.
as they are the same miniatures, just in a different material, I would imagine November. the delays on the other stuff is because they still need to actually make them
Well, I finally climbed down from the fence, decided not to buy 6th edition this month, and instead pledged $210 for Alabaster's Biohazard edition, Lights Out, terrain and all three extra characters. The rules and the miniatures just look too nice to pass up. Now I'm looking forward to November...
Zombicide picked up a lot of steam at the end with the addition of some more 'not-(insert famous person/character here)' $10 add on miniatures plus some 'free' if you were already at the $100 level perks too.
I have no doubt that SW will do something similar, though I'm not sure I see an additional $300K on the last 3 days happening again!
scarletsquig wrote:Best not to read too much into Zombicide, the Penny Arcade shoutout and Adepticon (?) promo were pretty huge towards the end.
Those things probably had much more impact on the final surge of backers than offering zombie celebs.
While those are nice, I don't think you should discount the effect of good stretch goals.
To be fair, a Penny-Arcade shoutout is a huge thing amongst gamers on the internet.
I would disagree, to be sure, it is a big site. Calling it huge and portraying it as a site every gamer uses, might not be the best way to describe it. Either way, SW isn't going to jump at this point without an exciting optional purchase and some insanely cool stretch goals posted.
It's not a site every gamer uses regularly, nor did I describe or even imply such. (I only look at it once every month or three.)
It is a site that a huge number of gamers know about and check out at least once in awhile. They do have a notable influence on a lot of stuff, simply through cat-herding if nothing else. Their links crash sites regularly. It's also very much a cross-genre site these days.
scipio.au wrote:It's not a site every gamer uses regularly, nor did I describe or even imply such. (I only look at it once every month or three.)
It is a site that a huge number of gamers know about and check out at least once in awhile. They do have a notable influence on a lot of stuff, simply through cat-herding if nothing else. Their links crash sites regularly. It's also very much a cross-genre site these days.
Yeah. Penny Arcade is kind've its own army. Whenever there's a call to action by Gabe of Tycho the PA fans really make waves. There have been times when they've commented on just how often they underestimate the things they can do with their fanbase.
Slinky wrote:Damn these Kickstarters - not only am I giving them all my money, I also have now bought a copy of "Dead Space" just so I can understand the reference
yeah,
I've given them money for;
Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster
Amanda Palmer: The new RECORD, ART BOOK, and TOUR
Tentacle Bento - by Soda Pop Miniatures
Zombicide
Shadowrun Returns
and I've received nothing yet...
what if this is one great big scam!
Just under 2k till they reach the 390k stretch goal, hopefully they do what some people have been asking for and put up a bunch of stretch goals maybe up 500k.
$420 stretch of 6 baby AI drones to replace card counters in the game.
The large AI Drone actually carries quite a large load out of smaller drones. In the game, these are represented by cardboard counters. But, since all of you have been so great, if we hit this stretch every Biohazard set will get a set of 6 baby drones free!
Optional $10 model of not-Number-6 from Battlestar Galatica
Brilliant, beautiful, and utterly merciless Dr. Hexen Phaedrus is a specialist in nano-technology and neural interface systems. A key researcher at the Alabaster Science facility, she has advanced knowledge of how the Strain nano-phage works, and a desire to see it contained and controlled. Oddly enough, she seems immune to the infection herself, due to safeguard nano-tech she developed.
Despite her co-operation and her willingness to accompany the Vanguard through the facility, her directions and information seem almost intentionally confused. Could she be steering the Vanguard towards a brutal confrontation with the Strain?
And what purpose would that serve?
Unravel her mysteries for $10, ships March 2013 (unpainted and unassembled).
I don't understand the battles tar reference? But then I've never watched it. I would rather have seen an android or something. But then I haven't pledged yet.... I should really get on that!
Ah heck, in for a penny in for a pound. Was hoping for something a little bigger in the final week...still time I guess.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also noticed that the "available only on Kickstarter and as a convention promo" comment wasn't attached to the latest two goals...oversight?
Now that I see the "Six" figure, I think that is awesome, for a whole sort of reasons.
1. Maybe she is some sort of Strain sleeper agent.....she helps the Strain get "escape" onto the station.
2. Even better.....she's a sleeper agent for the Rebels! They developed the strain, and got her on the station to let it loose on the Vanguard.
3. As #2, but she accidentally gets infected herself. But before she turns, she does something that keeps her from just turning into a lesser Type, instead she turns into some sort of Strain "Queen", and turns her back on all the humans in the search for bio-mechanical perfection.
Either way, the Infected version's nice and extra creepy by not just looking like a melted version of the "human" version.
I am totally buying Ridley and Dr. Phaedrus for sure. I am on the hedge about the other two, but absolutely on these.
I'm more psyched about hitting the Infected Phaedrus goal than the Hurley Drone goal, personally. I'd even rather buy the infected version, and get the normal version as a stretch.
I'll be in for 2 each of the characters. Given that they each come with a second figure and won't otherwise be available again for people like me (ie, in Australia), it seems worthwhile for me.
Ten more bucks pledged. Funny thing, yesterday I made an order in Hasslefree website. One of the minis is ordered is this one. Sculpted by the same guy who is sculpting most of the SW range, and likely will sculpt this Hexen Phaedrus. I hope I won't be getting the exact same mini in March LOL
Also Hexen is a reference to number Six, and Phaedrus a reference to Greek culture, pretty relevant in BSG.
Edit: I'm guessing they won't do a not-Kara Thrace "Starbuck"... as they already did Captain Kara Black xD
Looks like I am throwing some money at this project then! Not only are the sculpts simply stunning, I have high hopes that the game will be great fun to play. I just hope I can wait till next March or so to get everything in my hands!
Zwan1One wrote:I don't understand the battles tar reference? But then I've never watched it. I would rather have seen an android or something. But then I haven't pledged yet.... I should really get on that!
Commander Cain wrote:Looks like I am throwing some money at this project then! Not only are the sculpts simply stunning, I have high hopes that the game will be great fun to play. I just hope I can wait till next March or so to get everything in my hands!
its only the optional extras that will ship in march everything in the biohazzard pledge is due november :]
Commander Cain wrote:Looks like I am throwing some money at this project then! Not only are the sculpts simply stunning, I have high hopes that the game will be great fun to play. I just hope I can wait till next March or so to get everything in my hands!
its only the optional extras that will ship in march everything in the biohazzard pledge is due november :]
Until we hit the Drone Minis, those are also set for march
Geez, I just checked out the boargamegeek page for SedWars, and I can't believe the bitterness there.
I swear every other thread is about disgruntled people saying they won't back this game because "the Stretch Goals that only affect extras are unfair to the rest of us that are only getting the Biohazard level stuff". The other half is about the rules not being free to download so they can "see what they are getting into".
As if the non-extra stuff we are getting with the Biohazard level aren't good enough? I honestly think all the latest Kickstarter trends are making people greedy and entitled.
It'd be like refusing to buy a White Dwarf because the issue has rules for an army you don't play, and that's unfair because they should only cater to you.
Man, I'm glad everyone on here's being pretty cool about this game.
Until we hit the Drone Minis, those are also set for march
Aww, that's a bummer. Of course, besides the tokens for them, they look like they'd be fun to kitbash our own models to represent in the meantime, though.
I have to say, this is my favorite optional/extra yet. Caprica Six from Battlestar Galactica was one of my favorite characters, I guess they get $20 from me for 2!
those people who are holding off atm because they think they dont get the freebies released after they pledge really need to realise that the earlyer they pledge the better as it will give cmon/mcvey more time to add more targets ..if we sudenly jump 70-100k in the last 2 days then we could miss out on more cool stuff rather than if they pledge now ...
CURNOW wrote:less than 3k untill we get the baby drones :]
those people who are holding off atm because they think they dont get the freebies released after they pledge really need to realise that the earlyer they pledge the better as it will give cmon/mcvey more time to add more targets ..if we sudenly jump 70-100k in the last 2 days then we could miss out on more cool stuff rather than if they pledge now ...
AegisGrimm wrote:Geez, I just checked out the boargamegeek page for SedWars, and I can't believe the bitterness there.
I swear every other thread is about disgruntled people saying they won't back this game because "the Stretch Goals that only affect extras are unfair to the rest of us that are only getting the Biohazard level stuff". The other half is about the rules not being free to download so they can "see what they are getting into".
As if the non-extra stuff we are getting with the Biohazard level aren't good enough? I honestly think all the latest Kickstarter trends are making people greedy and entitled.
It'd be like refusing to buy a White Dwarf because the issue has rules for an army you don't play, and that's unfair because they should only cater to you.
Man, I'm glad everyone on here's being pretty cool about this game.
CURNOW wrote:less than 3k untill we get the baby drones :]
those people who are holding off atm because they think they dont get the freebies released after they pledge really need to realise that the earlyer they pledge the better as it will give cmon/mcvey more time to add more targets ..if we sudenly jump 70-100k in the last 2 days then we could miss out on more cool stuff rather than if they pledge now ...
^^^ think that makes sense ?
It makes a ton of sense.
I havent pledged yet as I'm self employed. So need to know that I will actually be paid in time and still be able to afford my rent etc. 2 days and I will know! Finding freelance work is always such a drag.
Glad to see the most recent goal move so fast though!
CURNOW wrote:less than 3k untill we get the baby drones :]
those people who are holding off atm because they think they dont get the freebies released after they pledge really need to realise that the earlyer they pledge the better as it will give cmon/mcvey more time to add more targets ..if we sudenly jump 70-100k in the last 2 days then we could miss out on more cool stuff rather than if they pledge now ...
^^^ think that makes sense ?
+1 Hop off the fence everyone...except Zwan1One ( I hear ya).
AegisGrimm wrote:Geez, I just checked out the boargamegeek page for SedWars, and I can't believe the bitterness there.
I swear every other thread is about disgruntled people saying they won't back this game because "the Stretch Goals that only affect extras are unfair to the rest of us that are only getting the Biohazard level stuff". The other half is about the rules not being free to download so they can "see what they are getting into".
As if the non-extra stuff we are getting with the Biohazard level aren't good enough? I honestly think all the latest Kickstarter trends are making people greedy and entitled.
It'd be like refusing to buy a White Dwarf because the issue has rules for an army you don't play, and that's unfair because they should only cater to you.
Man, I'm glad everyone on here's being pretty cool about this game.
I found the same thing too when I looked at some of their forum posts, and I was surprised at how cynical or simply odd many of these posts were.
I saw a few of people complaining about how much the game is with all the extras, and acting like they had to buy all the optional extras with the game saw one talking about the $10 extras they were "supposed" to buy).
I also saw someone saying they felt sorry for people who bought the game if it is not good and that they would be left with a bunch of "useless plastic", as if the miniatures could only work with Sedition Wars.
CURNOW wrote:less than 3k untill we get the baby drones :]
those people who are holding off atm because they think they dont get the freebies released after they pledge really need to realise that the earlyer they pledge the better as it will give cmon/mcvey more time to add more targets ..if we sudenly jump 70-100k in the last 2 days then we could miss out on more cool stuff rather than if they pledge now ...
^^^ think that makes sense ?
It makes a ton of sense.
I havent pledged yet as I'm self employed. So need to know that I will actually be paid in time and still be able to afford my rent etc. 2 days and I will know! Finding freelance work is always such a drag.
Glad to see the most recent goal move so fast though!
see that makes sense and im kinda in the same boat myself ...but its the ones that say "oh im gona pledge but i want to see what were getting at the end first " i dont understand .
its kinda like opening your xmas gifts ,seeing what they are. then giving that person a gift back thats dependent on what they got you lol
I just realized Sergeant Ramirez is basically the Vanguard trooper with Grenade Launcher. I own a few, was working on my vanguard minis last night and couldn't help but going oh yeah, they already had a vasquez type girl on their website. I wonder if the sculpt will be entirely unique, because the concept art is almost identical to grenade launcher girl except the weapon.
Yay! Looks like we get some nifty mini-turrets. Wonder what the next goal will be?
@seric, wow! A bunch of useless plastic huh? I think they need to take a closer look at what amazing models you get, besides, they look perfect for Infinity games as well!
Nice, those little drones will be great. Hopefully it shouldn't take too long to hit the next milestone to get the infected Not-Six too. That one should be really nice to paint...
I wonder who is next to cross over into the SW-verse
I just realized Sergeant Ramirez is basically the Vanguard trooper with Grenade Launcher. I own a few, was working on my vanguard minis last night and couldn't help but going oh yeah, they already had a vasquez type girl on their website. I wonder if the sculpt will be entirely unique, because the concept art is almost identical to grenade launcher girl except the weapon.
shes armed with the reaver heavy laser cannon rather than the multi grenade launcher and has a exoarm setup to help with the weight of it . tho she dose have a bandana like the other trooper sh also has more armour on ,
Automatically Appended Next Post: i think the people over on bgg are just abit miffed cos the game dosnt come with anything made of wood !
the box comes with 5 double sided tiles ,,the extra ones you can buy are the same ones . just alows you to play bigger games ,
ive got biohazard and the opticamo set . not that intersted by the extra figs tbh but out of the 4 i think not ripley and not vasqez are the most useable .
The tiles are repeats. The basic game has 5 double-sided tiles (plus the two railcars). This would get you a second set of five (not sure about the railcars... thought it’d be nice to get another two of them).
And left with useless plastic models? Ha - the models and tiles are destined for my Dark Heresy campaign more than anything else. The Strain models will make fantastic mutant adversaries.
Yeah, I'm likely down for We've got movment. Why? Well even if the game is horrible I've got some amazing models to make Wracks (lvl.1 Strain) w/Agoniser sergeant (Wyche models), new & cool hiveguard (brimstones), cool tyrant guard (grendl), and i'm sure I can do something with the rest of the strain. Also I think the vanguard would make some amazing counts-as sisters models.
I'm also getting at least 1 of each bonus model and a terrain pack.
Are the bonus models simply stand-ins for regular models, or will they have different rules / etc? Are the "infected" versions playable differently from normal strain models, or just modelled differently?
As for the different reaction over on BGG- that could come down to us considering it on a "miniatures price scale", and them considering on a board game one. On a minis scale, it looks like a pretty good deal.
I would love to see some firebrand models come out of this kickstarter. Some plastic troops would be great and also inspire me to maybe pick up some of the walker-type machines that they already sell.
I think I will go for the biohazard set, pick up a scenery pack and then wait to see how many character come out and which ones I like the most! Not interested in the opticamo set as I look forward to painting the models the most, neat idea though!
Commander Cain wrote:I would love to see some firebrand models come out of this kickstarter. Some plastic troops would be great and also inspire me to maybe pick up some of the walker-type machines that they already sell.
As pointed out earlier, Firebrand are being saved for an expansion.
I think it'd be cool if Dr. Phaedrus is a Firebrand spy.................
I'm hoping that the strain versions of the extra characters can be played right off the bat, to add characters to the Strain side. I really want the Strain to represent some sort of almost "Borg" feel, rather than just a zombie plague in space.
As for the Power Suits, I am really jonesing for one for Ridley to jump into, lol
You'd think the amount of funding that both this and Zombicide generated would have paid for both the original and expansion molds to already be made...
General Seric wrote:
I also saw someone saying they felt sorry for people who bought the game if it is not good and that they would be left with a bunch of "useless plastic", as if the miniatures could only work with Sedition Wars.
Board gamers. They're related to us miniature gamers, but they're not the same as us. The minis are just playing pieces to them - like the shoe or the hat in Monopoly.
AegisGrimm wrote:Geez, I just checked out the boargamegeek page for SedWars, and I can't believe the bitterness there.
Meh.
Every website has its fair share of indignant and entitled haters along with blind sheep fanboys.
Dakka is no different nor is it any superior.
It's all a matter of perspective. Every time a new game comes out, the haters and the otaku crawl out of the woodwork to defend or bash a game... that hasn't even been released yet. Some based on actual playtesting opinions and other based on nothing more than hatred or adoration of [insert name of game designer or game publisher here].
I am sure readers of Dakka are no stranger to this phenomenon.
I'll certainly agree with you and give you that point, but what I said above still bears keeping in mind. I've watched boardgame reviewers' reviews of Dwarf Kings' Hold, Super Dungeon Explore and Dreadfleet all kvetch about miniatures coming in those games that require assembly instead of normal playing pieces.
It's a different hobby with a different mindset and perspective. Lots of crossover, yes, but still different.
scipio.au wrote:I'll certainly agree with you and give you that point, but what I said above still bears keeping in mind. I've watched boardgame reviewers' reviews of Dwarf Kings' Hold, Super Dungeon Explore and Dreadfleet all kvetch about miniatures coming in those games that require assembly instead of normal playing pieces.
It's a different hobby with a different mindset and perspective. Lots of crossover, yes, but still different.
It may be true for some cube pushers who expect everything in the game to be playable right out of the box and many of those same people whine about having to punch chits for a game. Lots of extremes that people complain about.
But generally you wont see many "ameritrashers" whining about such. They are used to dollies to the point that they are nearly miniature wargamers in the amount of plastic they deal with. Though there is the oddball now and then who whines about having to glue a Battle lore model to its base...
The mind set and perspective isn't as stereotypical as you might think based on some reviews. There is less of a difference than you may think there is. Tom Vasel (as one example) doesn't speak as the consensus of that website.
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To give a counterpoint to your example of boardgamers complaining about having to assemble miniatures in a boardgame, I have seen a great game get panned on this site called AT-43 when it first came out because it was preassembled and prepainted. How is that any different than a few people somewhere else complaining about a games components not arriving assembled?
Having just read the thread, I'm going to say that the entitlement mentality on show from some posters over on BGG makes me incredulous. I've seen some of the same here on Dakka, but it appears nowhere near as prevalent.
I'm keen on this game for the figures alone. I was down for We've got Movement (2x Biohazard) before it hit any stretch goals or had any extras added. Then again, I'm buying a pile of miniatures I like the look of that also have a boardgame attached. Others maybe buying a boardgame that comes with playing pieces, or the promise of the BEST GAME EVAR. Others are buying some cool looking tilesets that they can use for their other games.
Indeed! But my point is that even if it's a bit crap, I'll be getting my money's worth from the pile of figures, and presumably you will from, the combo of minis and tiles.
scipio.au wrote:Having just read the thread, I'm going to say that the entitlement mentality on show from some posters over on BGG makes me incredulous. I've seen some of the same here on Dakka, but it appears nowhere near as prevalent.
I'm keen on this game for the figures alone. I was down for We've got Movement (2x Biohazard) before it hit any stretch goals or had any extras added. Then again, I'm buying a pile of miniatures I like the look of that also have a boardgame attached. Others maybe buying a boardgame that comes with playing pieces, or the promise of the BEST GAME EVAR. Others are buying some cool looking tilesets that they can use for their other games.
It's funny you say that Scipio.au, considering your avatar and some of the posts you have made here I can imagine you having exactly that face while typing your comments? I jest...
I agree though about Sedition Wars, it has got that advantage of being able to appeal to both boardgame and mini collectors. Personally, of course I will enjoy the game itself, but I'm probably most excited about using the minis for Infinity; The Vanguard as security or an O-12 force, and the Strain models I think are absolutely perfect miniatures for some of the sci-fi zombie-esque scenarios.
Our Lord & Master, Mike McVey wrote:Another stretch goal smashed!
Every copy of Dr Hexen will ship with her evolved version free! Ships together with Dr Hexen in March 2013.
Let's see what else is in the little box of goodies shall we? Maybe some playmates for those cute baby Drones?
"The Strain nano-spore has an affinity for improvising with the remnants of human anatomy. Among the most twisted and insidious of necroforms crafted from organic remains is the Bonecrab. This crawling aberration is a nightmare sculpted from a skull and functioning phalangeal limbs.
The Bonecrab attacks by latching on to a living victim and spiking nano-tendrils into its host. This invasive parasitic attack leaves the victim helpless while the creature seizes control of the his motor functions. Once the victim is absorbed into the Strain construct, the Bonecrab detaches, and moves on in search of new prey."
Every Biohazard set gets 6 of these skittering horrors if we hit our stretch! Ships in March 2013, unpainted and unassembled. And yes, there are rules for these things.... brrr...
And finally, those of you who hate fanservice, avert your eyes now! You've been warned!
"The crew of the Calamity never thought they'd get caught up in the going's on of a remote science station. Still, the take from handling the "special" cargo they hauled from that creepy moon made everything worth it. That and a bit of RnR on a cushy science facility with all the mod cons unavailable on a deep space freighter was a good morale booster for the crew.
Now Captain Ian Reins, his XO Bella Grange, enforcer Phoenix Corbett, and the mysterious and deadly pilot Delta Chen have found themselves caught between Vanguard forces and slavering mutants intent on infecting them with some kind of nano-virus. Still, the crew has dealt with misfortune before, and they intend to get out of this bit of worry like they always do... intact, alive, and broke."
The Captain and his lovely XO will glady report for duty for paltry $20! Like the rest of the promo figures, please limit yourself to 3 each per Biohazard set you're pledging for. Ships in March 2013, unpainted and unassembled.
Complete the crew of the Calamity! If we hit this stretch, Phoenix and Delta join the Cap in his (mis)-adventures on Alabaster Station! They'll ship the same time as the Captain and XO and are free with every set of the Mercenary Crew!
Mercenary Crew complete if we hit this stretch!
The crew of the Serenity... I mean Calamity. LOL! Awesome. And holy gak - not-Jane even has the hat!!!
It's funny you say that Scipio.au, considering your avatar and some of the posts you have made here I can imagine you having exactly that face while typing your comments? I jest...
Heh, as a WWE fan, I see hear everything he posts in Johns voice.. so .. yeah.
Well I was getting this anyways, but it seems it might be a bit more than Zombicide with all thos lovely extras, plus the terrain pack.
I wonder if their going to use the same pledge manager that they used for Zombiecide.... If so it would allow people to add extras later on and help eleviate some shock to the wallet.
Now besides the Biohazard level, I'm really gonna have to balance which characters I want to get, so I don't end up spending 150+.
I may even have to drop the opticamo vanguard, even though they will be oh-so cool in skirmish games in this setting, because I was only going to get Ridley and Phaedrus, and now I have to get Mal and Zoe!
Absolute hooray for the infected Phaedrus and the drones, though! Too bad they are March-ers.
I'm super stoked they added this stretch. This was my number two choice for an homage (behind something from the stargate franchise) and I trust Mike and Ali to get sculptors who make these perfect. I'm down for 2 crews.
I'd also support the flushing out of the crew but given the people in this one it might be hard it to generate the interest as I think most peoples favorite characters are in these 4.
And I personally don't think these 4 should be strained. There isn't a reason and honestly this is really just a thank you to fans. No need to strain, let's get more stuff!
Oh, and when we hit $460 the biohazard level comes with 93 models (50+24+6+12+1). That's a lot of stuff for $100!
That's true. I like that we will get River and Jayne instead of a "Strained" version of Mal and Zoe.
I can't wait to write a backstory that ties in all the characters.
-Dr. Phaedrus is a Firebrand spy/mole that is on the station to use it's advanced facilities to enhance a bio-plague and let it loose on the Vanguard system planets as a WMD. She screws up and becomes the "Strain Queen".
-The crew of the Calamity are unwitting pawns in the whole mess, who didn't know what it was that they were paid to transport to Alabaster Station. They're like the crew from Alien: Resurrection, but cooler.
-The engineer's story stays the same. Sometimes the local mechanic just has to get his hands dirty when the think-tank brainboys with their over-hyped degrees screw up the station he works so hard to keep running.
-Ridley is a civilian on the station, rescues a young child while running with the Vanguard troops, and eventually ends up in a utility powersuit fighting a Grendlr.
AegisGrimm wrote:-The crew of the Calamity are unwitting pawns in the whole mess, who didn't know what it was that they were paid to transport to Alabaster Station. They're like the crew from Alien: Resurrection, but cooler.
Wow... imagine that. Imagine if rather than the crew of the Betty in A:R it had be the crew of the Serenity. I mean sure, the end of the film would have still gargled balls, but the bits in between...
Those are extra figs I would have liked to get .. I had to drop my pledge though :( cash is just too tight right now. Between 40K and my preorder for DZC and backing Ogre I'm pretty much tapped out of my gaming budget for a while.
It'll be on my Xmas list though if they do release it in November as planned
To all those sitting on the fence ..no mater when you pledge you get all the past goals and all the future goals so dont think you have to wait till the end to get everything.
also no mater when you pledge the money will not be debited from your account untill sat 30th june 17.00 edt so if your thinking you have to wait till pay day you dont ..
when the kickstarter ends you will be sent a link that allows you to add or delete annything you want to your list and this link is normally open for a week so dont think that you will be tied in to your choice ..
the earlyer everyone pledges the better for everyone
Yeah, if they do happen to put out the entire crew I'll be paying a professional company to paint at least one set. I'd like to have them simply as fun display models
I'd like to see a Starcraft Kerrigan Ghost and Queen of Blades (could even have cool ass clear ones) for one of the finals over the rest of the Firefly crew. I think 4 is plenty, just as 2 Aliens models was enough.
Souleater wrote:To borrow from Wrath of Khan: "Dammit, they knew right where to hit us!"
I may have to drop my 2nd boxed set or just skip 40k Sixth for a week at this point, honestly? I am thinking I will wait on 6th lol
I think I also just came to that conclusion. All my buddies will have rulebooks, right?
Seems smart, not like the book isn't hard to find anyways....
vitki wrote:Wow, up to $335 if you want Bihazard and all the extras.
My pledge up to $265, now hopefully my wife won't look at the CC statement this month...
Wow, $335 already, this is becoming like a sale at a store where you come in for one thing and leave with 50 others! Mine is a bit more due to the we've got movement, hard to pass up all those extras...
vitki wrote:Wow, up to $335 if you want Bihazard and all the extras.
Have you double-counted the Lights Out pack to get to this number ($30+$30+$50 instead of just $50)? By my count it's $275 for everything, $300 if you need postage (which is what I'm pledged to).
If they do the whole crew, I hope it's another stretch goal add on to the $20 set. Not because I feel like they should be or think I'm entitled to it, only because I'm going to have to skip them(which means skipping the first set, too) due to not having the money!
I'd prefer they don't do the rest of the crew. It'd be alright if they did but I'd rather get homage characters from elsewhere or other stuff in biohazard. The 4 characters provided are already 3 of my favorite 4 (I'd swithc Zoe out for the engineer or real pilot).
If they do the whole crew, I hope it's another stretch goal add on to the $20 set. Not because I feel like they should be or think I'm entitled to it, only because I'm going to have to skip them(which means skipping the first set, too) due to not having the money!
That would suck for you :\ But if they do some other awesome characters of other setting you like, you'll be fethed in the same situation :S
) and I'm trying to figure out which extras to go for.
